Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 503

                 Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 503

 

                          Saturday, November 23rd 1991

 

Today's Topics:

 

                            Weird Night On Halloween

                            Omni Opinions & Comments

                                     Author

                                     Photos

                               The End of Freedom

                                   Gulf Breeze

                                    SETI BBS

                                     Author

                                     Author

                                  David Jacobs

                          Re: Weird Night On Halloween

                                Re: David Jacobs

                                ParaNet 9600 bps

                                ParaNet 9600 bps

                                 Sphinx, scalars

                                  Omni Comments

                          America's New Secret Aircraft

                           Re: Crop circle researcher

                                  "mars Effect"


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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)

Subject: Weird Night On Halloween

Date: 20 Nov 91 20:10:01 GMT


Hi John,

        Thanks for your comment on OMNI and OMNI ONLINE.  I'll pass 

them along.  That's a good idea you had about a UFO news update, 

too.  I hadn't thought of that but it'd be relatively easy to 

prepare and all the UFO-interested readers would find it a handy way 

of keeping track of what's going on and where.  Good thinking!

        I also like your idea of putting it on FidoNet instead of a 

pay service.  Maybe if we get enough comments like yours they'll 

listen (hope hope!).  Could be they just didn't think of it -- so 

many people don't even know about the Nets...hasn't been that long 

ago that you educated me on the subject!  (BTW, thanks again -- it's 

been great to have this access and without your patient 

explanations, I'd still be lost.)

                                        ==Peggy==

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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)

Subject: Omni Opinions & Comments

Date: 20 Nov 91 20:21:02 GMT


>May I add my two cents? I think OMNI has just the right amount

>of coverage of UFO/Paranormal for a magazine of its type, but I

>would like to see it analyze the paranormal more critically.

>Right now all it seems to do is report claims, and once in a

>while throw in an obligatory quote from a skeptic. I think that

>when something seems to be real, you should say so, and when it

>seems to be fraudulent, you should say so as well.


>As far as an online service, good luck. They tried that on

>CompuServe for a while, without much success.


        

Thanks very, very much for adding your two cents -- the good 

thinking behind your comments is worth a whole lot more than that! 

I like the idea about the critical analysis of paranormal claims, 

maybe if not on Every story, then at least one per issue.  The 

comment on real/fraudulent would indeed be helpful to readers 

(though I can see where some sources might dry up if they feared 

that kind of judgment) ... maybe they could do it like a movie 

rating column -- so many stars (or moons or UFOs or whatever) for 

the most plausible and fewer as credibility drops.  It's an idea 

that bears consideration.  I'll pass it along.

        You mentioned they'd tried the ONLINE thing on Compuserve 

and that rang a bell.  I recall now that they did have some ads in 

the magazine about that but it was before I was on CIS myself, so I 

didn't see it.  If you did see it, I'd be very interested to hear 

from you about how it worked (obviously not too successfully but 

talking of the mechanics here) -- was it a question/answer thing or 

talk to the writers or just reprinting the magazine online?  What do 

you think made it fail?  And, in case you saw John Hicks' reply 

which suggested doing this online thing on FidoNet so it's a nonpay 

service, do you think that would get around the problems it had on 

CIS?  Would you read or use the online thing if it were on FidoNet? 

Or do you think you'd get anything out of it?

        Hmmmm....I wonder if they could add a feature in which 

people could report events as they do here, but then the magazine 

would assign people to check out the stories (assuming there's 

enough info to go on to start investigating, that is) and then 

present follow-up reports later telling you what happened -- did it 

check out or not and what was the bottom line.  (Or maybe they 

already did that when they were on CIS?)

        This idea seems like it could have great potential, but, of 

course, there could be a giant minefield of problems that elude my 

observation because I just don't know enough to see what they'd be.

        Looking forward to your thoughts...

                                ==Peggy==

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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)

Subject: Author

Date: 21 Nov 91 03:36:00 GMT


Hi everyone,

 

What can you tell me about an author named Keith Thompson?  I saw a 

book of his called Angels and Aliens."  I can't recall who he is and he 

is not an author that all of us have mentioned before (to my 

knowledge).  Is he reliable?  reputable?  a crackpot?  

   

I'd like to know before I lay my money down.

 

Thanks everyone!

 

Linda


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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)

Subject: Photos

Date: 21 Nov 91 03:38:00 GMT


Hi Chris,

 

Got your great message, and congrats on passing the orals!  I'll be 

finished with classes tomorrow night until Dec. 3.  I have some photos

to send you, so be looking for a "snail" in about a week.

 

Best always,

 

Linda


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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)

Subject: The End of Freedom

Date: 19 Nov 91 15:34:00 GMT


In a message to Clark Matthews <10 Nov 91 19:51> Kay Mclaughlin wrote:


 KM> REALLY??

 KM> Has this been occuring? Care to elaborate?


Hi, Kay!  Well, I'm not the ParaNet security director, but without elaborating,

yes, it has been happening.  It doesn't seem to bother Steve Rose though, so

OBVIOUSLY there's nothing to worry about.


 KM> I live in the DC area, and I haven'r heard about the Maryland BIg Foot

 KM> flap, Clark, Steve have any files on this?


Not yet -- and I don't necessarily endorse the claims.  But Bigfeet (Bigfoots?)

have supposedly been sighted in Maryland, Delaware and (I think) Pennsylvania

over the last year or so.  I hear about people mounting Bigfoot Expeditions,

etc., in Maryland.


 KM> I think I missed somthing, what is the INSLAW?


Well, INSLAW is off-topic for the UFO echo, but I've posted a series of 9

articles to the ParaNet General Topics echo on the INSLAW scandal.  It's not a

UFO case -- although a couple of NSA/NSC/CIA people implicated in the INSLAW

case have said some "funny" things about UFOs, oddly enough [Example:  CIA

retiree on dead reporter -- 'Even if he got names, dates, and places, all he's

got is a UFO book.']  


But INSLAW gives a frightening insight into secret goverment operations. It's

very revealing and I think it may prove helpful in understanding the mechanics

(and maybe some of the personalities and motives) behind the UFO coverup.

 There's a file on my BBS called INSLAW1.ZIP which contains all the stuff I

posted to ParaNet General Topics.  I'll be adding more material to my BBS

shortly.  Check the Conspiracy section.


Briefly, INSLAW, Inc., a small, D.C.-based software development firm,

approached the Justice Department with its PROMIS case-tracking software

package in the early 1980s.  "Justice" was impressed -- especially Edwin Meese,

the US Attorney General.  A demonstration system was installed at the Justice

Department -- and Meese gave several business associates copies of the

complete INSLAW package.


Meese then refused to license the software from INSLAW, halted the $3 million

payment for the demo system, sabotaged other marketing opportunities for the

company, and the "Justice" Dept. forced INSLAW into involuntary bankruptcy.  


Meanwhile, a Meese associate with contacts in the CIA, NSA, and foreign

secret-police agencies was decompiling the INSLAW software and PIRATING it.

The stolen PROMIS software was sold to foreign governments and US Secret

Security Agencies, including the FBI, CIA, NSA, and operatives of the National

Security Council (NSC).  The stolen software was disassembled and modified at

the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida, to support the computerized

tracking of private individuals, police forces, and troop movements.  A "back

door" was also installed in the program to allow US agencies to dial into

INSLAW sytems licensed to foreign entities and dump the secret data in the

foreign systems into US computers.   Subsequently the pirated software sold by

Meese associates to:  Mossad (Israel), KCIA (S. Korea), Hazamat (Iraqi secret

police), Libyan secret police, the RCMP and something called the CIS (Canadian

Internal Security -- my family's Canadian & no-one we know has ever *heard* of

CIS) and many others.


Then a problem developed for Meese and the CIA/NSA/NSC pirates.  One of the

principals of INSLAW discovered, by accident, of the sale of the stolen

software to the RCMP and, later, the mysterious Canadian CIS.  Immediately

thereafter, a U.S. bankruptcy court judge upheld INSLAW's claim of software

piracy and refused to bankrupt and dismantle the INSLAW corporaton as Meese

wanted.  This judge was not reappointed Ronald Reagan.  The case was retried

and the judge's replacement bankrupted INSLAW involuntarily.  BTW, key

elements of the scandal originally surfaced as part of an investigation of

corruption in the federal bankruptcy system in California.


A number of people familiar with the role of Wackenhut Corporation, Meese

associates, and CIA/NSA/NSC in the INSLAW matter were murdered execution-style

in California.  The software developer who served as project leader for

Wackenhut's piracy and modification of PROMIS revealed his role to several

congressional investigators -- he was threatened by senior Justice Dept

officials and arrested on drug trafficking charges 8 days after talking with

investigators.


Then another problem surfaced for our trusted Civil Servants and their business

associates:  A reporter found all this out and told friends he could place it

in the context of a CIA/NSA/NSC/Mafia "underground governent" that operates

parallel to the US gov't and involves Meese associates, organized crime, and

many CIA/NSA/NSC alumni.  The reporter died mysteriously in a West Virginia

motel.  Much of his documentary material and notes vanished from his room,

along with a briefcase and some other items.  Earlier, he had warned his family

not to believe he'd commit suicide.  The local coroner embalmed the body after

receiving "instructions from the family" -- but the family gave no such

instructions.  Cause of death was determined to be slashed wrists, but

circumstances point to something that might have been detectable in blood.

 Ricin?  CIA shellfish toxin?  Blowfish toxin?  Difficult to determine now.


Among other things, the reporter had told friends that the California murders

were committed by a number of former Special Forces personnel now employed in

the Chicago Fire Department.  He said they continue to serve as contract hitmen

for the "parallel government" of businessmen, organized crime, and associates

of NSA, CIA, National Security Council, the Dept. of Justice, Wackenhut, et al.


Sorry for the long post.  If you want to talk about INSLAW, please send the

messages in ParaNet General Topics -- gotta uphold the Sysop ideal of Topic

Cop, here, right?  :-)


Best,

  Clark


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From: doc.imperial.ac.uk!aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob

Subject: Gulf Breeze

Date: 22 Nov 91 04:36:13 GMT


From: Robert Trevelyan <rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>


Thanks to Don Allen who sent some really good posts on the Gulf Breeze 

sightings to the Alt.alien.vistors echo. There is a lot of detail in 

this which makes interesting reading. Does anyone have any of the Ed Walters

photos on a gif file that I could view to complete the picture.

Thanks, Robert


-- 

Robert Trevelyan   UKnet: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk

AIX Communications    VNET: TREVELR at NHBVM7

     Voice: +44-(0)256-56144





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From: cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com!vanth!jms

Subject: SETI BBS

Date: 22 Nov 91 06:33:29 GMT


From: vanth!jms@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)


+From: 'MX%\'carr@kirk\''@ASTRO.dnet.ge.com

+

+There's a new 9600 Baud BBS at (614) 258 1710, which intends to focus

+primarily on SETI.  Though not set up yet, they plan to have a UFO

+conference as well.  They are looking for amateur astronomers who want to

+participate in optical SETI.


Does anyone know exactly what 'optical SETI' involves?  It would seem to me

that optical means would be the least likely means of contact. Or does it

just mean the search for extrasolar planets?


--

 *  From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp         | I'm in a groove now

 Jim Shaffer, Jr.     | uunet!cbmvax!vanth!jms        | -- or is it a rut?

 37 Brook Street      | jms%vanth@cbmvax.commodore.com |

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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)

Subject: Author

Date: 21 Nov 91 18:11:00 GMT



 > Hi everyone,


 > What can you tell me about an author named Keith Thompson?  I saw a book

 > of his called Angels and Aliens."  I can't recall who he is and he is

 > not an author that all of us have mentioned before (to my knowledge).

 > Is he reliable?  reputable?  a crackpot?

 >

 > I'd like to know before I lay my money down.


Linda:


Keith is a very nice guy, who just happens to have a more spiritual angle on

things. I wouldn't call him a crackpot, but he is from San Francisco, and is

very much a "Californian".


I believe Don Ecker will have more to say on Keith and his book shortly.


Jim


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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)

Subject: Author

Date: 22 Nov 91 07:40:00 GMT


Linda Bird writes:


 > What can you tell me about an author named Keith Thompson?

 > I saw a book of his called Angels and Aliens."  I can't

 > recall who he is and he is not an author that all of us

 > have mentioned before (to my knowledge).  Is he reliable?

 > reputable?  a crackpot?


I don't know anything about this guy (other than having seen this 

book at the bookstore) BUT ...


He's supposed to be on Larry King's show tonight (Friday) with 

our friend Don Ecker.


So turn off your computer and turn on your TV!  Quick!

                                                      --  John


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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)

Subject: David Jacobs

Date: 21 Nov 91 16:05:00 GMT


In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <15 Nov 91 17:59> Jim Speiser wrote:


 > SW> Come on people, let's get Dave back on line. It shouldn't be

 > SW> THAT difficult. Perhaps he can be setup as a point?


 JS> I agree, but is anyone willing to poll him Long Distance? 



Hi Jim.  Paul Faeder's system is in the Poconos and I'm in North Jersey --

polling around Philly should not be a big deal for either of us if we can do

it during mail hour.


What's the problem with Jacobs?  Traffic on the ABDUCTION echo is so sparse he

could transfer all of his weekly packets in only 3-4 minutes of time at

2400 bps per week.  Considering he's getting lots of fodder for his book --

and guaranteeing book sales among the membership here -- is that meagre polling

schedule such an unsupportable expense for him?


Anyway, let me know in general terms where he's located.  Perhaps Paul or I

could help.


Best,

  Clark



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From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)

Subject: Re: Weird Night On Halloween

Date: 19 Nov 91 22:28:00 GMT



 PN> -- OMNI magazine. What do you like best/least about it?  What would

 PN> you change if you could influence the editors?  Would you increase the

 PN> coverage of UFO-Paranormal events/reports r reduce it?  Should those

 PN> stories have more of an investigative (as opposed to straight


I had always thought from reading OMNI in past years...those red-paged

paranormal news clips were presented in a de-bunking light.  It was as

if they presented each story...but with the idea of having someone of

authority doubt and/or dispute each claim being presented.  Have they

changed this tone of para-article delivery as of late?  It has been a while

since I picked up an issue.





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From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)

Subject: Re: David Jacobs

Date: 21 Nov 91 19:08:00 GMT



 > THAT difficult. Perhaps he can be setup as a point?

 MC> 

 MC> Thank you for posting that update, Sheldon.  As a matter of fact, we

 MC> are  testing a new link in the Philadelphia area even as we speak.  It

 MC> should be  functional in very short order.



Philadelphia!  That close, huh.  Hmmmm....would that node happen to be a

V.32 equipped site and would he be polling ParaNet every night?  :-)





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From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)

Subject: ParaNet 9600 bps

Date: 11 Nov 91 21:23:00 GMT


Hello Sheldon!


In a msg of <22 Oct 91>, Sheldon Wernikoff writes to All:


 SW> Are there any ParaNet nodes running

 SW> @ 9600 bps v.32, v.42, v.42bis?


Yes, here in Berlin(Germany), HST-Dual Standard...


regards from the Ex-Wall City

cheers

   Andre

         ZDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD?

         3 FidoNet-Berlin, the UFO information service in Berlin  3

         3 FidoNet 2:245/10, GerNet 222:100/29, ParaNet 91:1021/2 3

         3 +49-30-7919269  HST/V32/V42B  14.400 bps               3

         3 Sysop: Andre Eichner                                   3

         @DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDY


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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)

Subject: ParaNet 9600 bps

Date: 22 Nov 91 07:46:00 GMT



 > Yes, here in Berlin(Germany), HST-Dual Standard...


  Would you be interested in also picking up Fidonet's Zone 1 UFO echo? Feeds

in various high-speed types are available.

  Sheldon mentioned it to me a couple of day ago (I'm moderator of that echo).

Roughly 50 or so messages daily.


                                           jbh


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From: violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers

Subject: Sphinx, scalars

Date: 22 Nov 91 14:31:32 GMT


From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)


It may be of interest that there will be a debate on

the age of the Sphinx as part of the 'Science for 

Everyone' symposium at the Feb 1992 meeting of the

American Association for the Advancement of Science

in Chicago. One of the speakers will be Robert Schoch.

 I would expect Science to have something to

say on the age of the Sphinx in an upcoming issue.

 It's probably not too surprising that the Sphinx may be

older than the historical dynastic Egyptian civilization, as 

predynastic Egyptian cultures are known 

 Query: I've seen several references to scalar particles

or fields in various posts recently. What are these,  the 

hypothetical spin-0, mass-generating Higgs particles/fields 

of GUTS, the proposed, but not well-documented, gravity-like 

forces (5th and/or 6th forces) which may or may not couple 

to baryon number, or what? --- John




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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)

Subject: Omni Comments

Date: 22 Nov 91 16:45:07 GMT


>I had always thought from reading OMNI in past years...those red-paged

>paranormal news clips were presented in a de-bunking light.  It was as

>if they presented each story...but with the idea of having someone of

>authority doubt and/or dispute each claim being presented. Have they

>changed this tone of para-article delivery as of late?  It has

        

        Thanks for your reply.  Well, you raise a good point because 

I thought that the "offset" quote from a debunking skeptic did sort 

of achieve what you've described but obviously a lot of other people 

-- correction, some other people -- think that there's no debunking 

at all but that unsupported stories are presented as fact without 

any criticism.   The last I knew from the editor who is in charge of 

that section (by the way, it's black pages now instead of red) still 

asks for "offset quotes" from reputable people who disagree with the 

claims of the interviewee or story.  It's not a full debunking 

because it doesn't take apart the whole story, but it does offset 

the claim.  The reader then can take either side he feels is more 

persuasive.

        In fact, the question you raised is something people here 

have suggested be added to OMNI -- a feature in which at least one 

story would be taken apart by a skeptic, point by point.

        

        Of course you know what the magazine's answer to your 

question would be:  buy OMNI and see! <g>

        Thanks for adding your comments.  Please feel free to ask 

again if I've missed something or if you think of something else. 

And, by the way, would you use the OMNI ONLINE service if they do 

start one?  Would cost be a factor?  If they put it in an existing 

service such as Compuserve or Genie, would that affect your 

willingness or interest in using it?

        And if you would use an ONLINE service from OMNI, what would 

you want to get out of it?  What would you be looking for?

                                        ==Peggy==

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From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked

Subject: America's New Secret Aircraft

Date: 22 Nov 91 22:45:29 GMT


From: Mike Dobbs <miked@hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com>


The cover article of December's Popular Mechanics is about new secret American

aircraft.  This article builds upon Aviation Week's article of about a year

ago.


'According to reports over the past two years, a vast black flying wing,

estimated at between 600 and 800 ft. in width, has passed silently over the

city streets, empty desert and rural freeways.  The craft moved so slowly one

observer said that he could jog along with it.  A pattern of seemingly

random white lights on the vehicle's black underside provided 'constellation

camouflage' against the starry sky.  Observers detailed unlikely maneuvers

in which the vehicle stopped, rotated in place and hovered vertically....'


It is an interesting article well worth reading.


Also don't forget the National Geographic Special on crop circles this Sunday

(Nov 24) at 9pm EST/ 6pm PST on TBS.  It is called 'The Mystery of the Crop

Circle'.  My TV listing show it repeating on Monday night (Nov 25) at 10pm PST.


--------

  Mike Dobbs        /    Internet: miked@vcd.hp.com





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From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen)

Subject: Re: Crop circle researcher

Date: 19 Nov 91 07:58:20 GMT


> I do not believe that these two Men craeted the circles in the manner

> that they displayed on Television here in Australia. First of all

> there is the number of them, their quality of manufacture and there

> various locations. I feel that a great proportion of these "Crop

> Circles" are indeed a hoax, but this cannot explain all of them.

 

David --

 

Glad we're in agreement on much of this.  However, I hope you didn't 

miss my fundamental point:  that Andrews ADMITTED that the two fellows' 

technique could account for many such circles, that he and other 

cereologists had dismissed A PRIORI the possibility of hoaxing with no 

meaningful effort to creatively experiment to determine how they MIGHT 

be hoaxed, and that they STILL don't seem to making any such effort.

 

The point of Bower and Chorley is NOT whether they accounted for ALL 

crop circles.  The point is that their claimed method is one that COULD 

and probably DID fool cereologists.  If two bored old geezers could so 

easily hoodwink Andrews, how on Earth can one be confident that 

cereologists aren't being also fooled by other hoaxers?  When their 

investigatory methods are so obviously vulnerable to hoaxing, how can 

one put much confidence in ANY of their conclusions?  Should we really

fall back on "There are unexplained cases, therefore there must be 

something truly mysterious going on"?  Any field like this will always 

have unexplained cases, if only for lack of data, after all.

 

It's just that I keep getting the impression that the circle-chasers 

are refusing to learn the obvious lesson from this.

 

Best Regards,

Rick M.


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From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen)

Subject: "mars Effect"

Date: 19 Nov 91 08:19:53 GMT


Not sure this is literally speaking in the correct conference, so I'll 

make this short:  Quite a few years back, a former CSICOP director named 

Dennis Rawlins published a strongly-worded article in "Fate" magazine, 

taking to task CSICOP for supposedly bungling and then covering up an 

investigation of Michel Gauquelin's "Mars Effect" (quasi-astrological) 

claim.  The article was extremely emotional, and extremely poorly 

supported, but has been widely quoted ever since.  Rawlins's article was 

entitled "sTARBABY".

 

Avionics writer Philip J. Klass then wrote and submitted to "Fate" a 

carefully-researched and devastating rebuttal to Rawlins, an article 

that he titled "Crybaby".  "Fate" categorically refused to publish it, 

or to in any way air the other side of the story.  Accordingly, while 

many have read the original article (or any of several derivative works 

that took it at face value), very few people have ever read the 

rebuttal.

 

Well, Robert Sheaffer and I have now scanned in the article (and OCR'd 

it), and have it available as a text file.  I've posted it to the BITNET 

SKEPTIC discussion list, and also uploaded it to File Library #10 

("Paranormal Issues") in the Compuserve Issue Forum ("GO ISSUES") as 

"CRYBAB.PJK".  In addition, it's available as "CRYBABY.ZIP" for download 

or FReq from this node, Paranet 9:1012/2, FidoNet 1:125/27, 

1-415-648-8944 in San Francisco, 2400/HST/V.32/V.32bis.  You'll find it 

interesting.

 

If people are interested, I'll upload it to this echo (or P_GENERAL, as 

the moderator prefers).  It would constitute about 11 messages.

 

Best Regards,

Rick Moen

Vice-Chair, Bay Area Skeptics

Member, Electronic Communication Subcommittee, CSICOP

(but not purporting to speak for anyone but himself)


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