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From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: face on mars
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Date: 10 Jun 91 20:12:12 GMT
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The real proof would be to find more than one face. I think we will.
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From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: face on mars
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Mark William Hopkins spins a good yarn. I'm interested in how you
altered the DNA in the stalks though... you forgot to explain that
part.
Regarding Artur Matuck's posting.
I'm interested in reading what Trigueirinho has to say. Could you
send me some material? Thank you, I appreciate it.
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From: skywalker@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
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Subject: Re: Probe
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Date: 10 Jun 91 20:26:29 GMT
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In article <71569.285189AD@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
.>Wouldn't it be better to say that it is possible and warrants further study?
.>I have found numerous references in the scientific journals detailing the
.>strange shadow seen just before losing contact with the probe. Until you can
.>explain this anomaly, I say that the equation is still open and deserves
.>further attention.
.>
.>Mike
After reading the Aricle (Science Sept. 8 1989) the shadow everyone
talks about is a thermal/In-Red photo and the shadow is the cooling
of the surface because the shadow of the moon Phobos had just passed
over it....
Tim
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From: billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Probe
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Date: 10 Jun 91 15:39:59 GMT
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In article <71569.285189AD@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
>
> > Without the picture or any credible first hand witnesses, by any
> > standard,
> > this all adds up to poppycock.
>
>Your mathematics is flawed. How does it add up to "poppycock?"
>
The math is correct.
Poppycock equals zero and represents the quality of evidence offered in this
discussion (disappearing Soviet Mars probe) so far. Hearsay-hearsay evidence
(someone said that someone said ...) is poppycock. It has ZERO value in a
serious investigation. Therefore, in this matter, there is NO evidence of
any UFO activity.
The math is correct.
Poppycock equals zero and represents the quality of evidence offered in this
discussion (disappearing Soviet Mars probe) so far. Hearsay-hearsay evidence
(someone said that someone said ...) is poppycock. It has ZERO value in a
serious investigation. Therefore, in this matter, there is NO evidence of
any UFO activity.
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From: fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan)
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Subject: Re: Santanists
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Date: 11 Jun 91 12:18:30 GMT
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In article <1991Jun5.024317.17509@world.std.com>, kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes...
>In article <1991Jun4.201133.23535@linus.mitre.org> andrea@chimera.mitre.org (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
>>Whatt *is* 'santanism'? The dark and foul worship of Santa?
>
>Santanist worship is practiced in Mansonic temples. Everyone knows that.
That's it! Charles Manson's philosophy was not influenced by listening
to the White Album backwords, but rather it was Abraxas.
>>It is well know that Satan, Santa and Santana are all one in the same. If
[...]
>>Old Nick!!! It gets deeper... Personally, I like Santana best.
Hey, now don't go dissin' my homeboy Carlos! He's the best.
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Snail: P.O. Box 240554, Anchorage, AK 99524-0554
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vowed that that hundred dollars would turn into three thousand
through his gambling, and it came to pass. Praise Satan,
hallelujah!" - the sinner's Robert Tilton
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From: redekop@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Tzoq Mrekazh)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Mars face.
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Date: 11 Jun 91 12:39:47 GMT
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In article <1991Jun07.230922.18723@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> woodc@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Major Havok) writes:
>
> On the topic of the face on Mars... it seems unlikely that such a feature
>would be created natuarally on such a (relatively) dead planet. Mars, as far
>as I know, has virtually no atmosphere compared to the earth, so it doesn't
>seem that there would be much errosion occuring on the surface of mars. I
>don't know much about mars, so I don't know what the current volcanic
>activity level is like on mars, but it seems that volcanic activity would
>produce a much more random feature. Anyone have any thoughts on this???
I take it from this that you also believe that someone carved all those
river-like run-off chanels...
Hasn't anyone here ever seen the Old Man of the Mountain in New Hampshire?
From the right angle, it looks just like the profile of a human face...
Seeing as we've only got a view of the Mars Face from one angle, and that
only half-lit...
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Subject: Re: Why would I stick a face on Mars...
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The geographical structure on Mars that *looks like a face* is millions
of years old. Nothing on earth had anything that looked like a face back
than...
Chew on this
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From: kuerten@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kuerten)
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Subject: Re: face on mars
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stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes:
>The real proof would be to find more than one face. I think we will.
well as far I know it, there ARE more than one face...
Regards
Michael
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From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins)
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Subject: Re: face on mars
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In article <1991Jun10.192433.27029@engage.pko.dec.com> stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes:
>The real proof would be to find more than one face. I think we will.
Mary, there *are* more than one. That's partly why they've aroused such
interest.
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From: doehr@magellan.den.mmc.com (Brett B. Doehr)
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Subject: Re: Why would I stick a face on Mars...
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Date: 11 Jun 91 14:41:16 GMT
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In article <91162.130043A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET>, A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET writes:
|> The geographical structure on Mars that *looks like a face* is millions
|> of years old. Nothing on earth had anything that looked like a face back
|> than...
|>
|> Chew on this
Chew on what? Is this an argument for the "Mars face" being natural
or not? The fact is that, because of Earth's atmosphere (wind and
water erosion), glacier activity, and volcanic activity, there aren't
natural features that are "millions of years old." On Mars, there
probably are natural geological features that are that old. Has anyone
accurately dated the age of the "Mars face"? I don't see where this
statement makes a point.
--Brett.
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From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com
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Subject: Faces on Mars
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More than one face on Mars is *definitely* a message to us. It is a symbol
that a human would instantly recognize, more than one indicates that it
is not a random effect of nature but a deliberate message.
The message speaks volumes. It says that our human form is a strange
attractor that is not limited to Earth. It says that either our own
species or another species *to whom we are related by form* has left us a
message on a planet in our solar system... a message that we would not
find until we had reached a particular level of technological
sophistication...
I believe that this is a piece to a puzzle that we are right on the verge
of solving.... it is merely one stage of our entrance into a whole new
phase of our human experience.
The gates to the universe are about to open to us. The faces on Mars and
the Crop Symbols are intended to prepare us. We are about to become
part of a larger communitity...
I welcome them with great joy.
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From: andrea@chimera.mitre.org (Andrea Ostensoe)
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Subject: Re: Why would I stick a face on Mars...
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The geographical structure on Mars that *looks like a face* is millions
of years old. Nothing on earth had anything that looked like a face back
than...
Chew on this
<
Would you be interested in explaining to me just *how* you know this
tidbit of information?
chimera
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From: schiffd@tigger.Colorado.EDU (David M. Schiff)
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Subject: Re: The Mars face.
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In article <3338@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> redekop@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Tzoq Mrekazh) writes:
>In article <1991Jun07.230922.18723@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> woodc@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Major Havok) writes:
> I take it from this that you also believe that someone carved all those
>river-like run-off chanels...
No. Admittedly, the face probably is natural but you have some facts
wrong (at least based on the information I've seen :=)).
> Seeing as we've only got a view of the Mars Face from one angle, and that
>only half-lit...
We have pictures from two different angles-
frame 35A72 at 10 degrees above the western horizon and
frame 70A13 at 27 degrees ...
Also, with computer enhancement what appears to be an entire face can
be made out, with a high degree of symmetry. Details such as two eye sockets,
a clear hairline, nose and mouth are seen.
> Hasn't anyone here ever seen the Old Man of the Mountain in New Hampshire?
>From the right angle, it looks just like the profile of a human face...
The Old Man of the Mountain is a 1-dimensional phenomenon. As you say,
it only looks like a person when viewed in profile. The "face" exhibits
its characteristics in two dimensions. According to an article I read,
Analysis of Images of the "Face" on Mars and Possible Intelligent Origin,
(JBIS), an analysis by M.J. Carlotto indicates the object is most probably
3-dimensional. Basically what he did is apply an algorithm to
construct a 3-dimensional image from one photograph and then
artificially illuminated it at the angle at which the other photograph
was taken. The generated image was then compared with the original photograph
taken at the other angle. The process was done in both directions,
i.e. starting with each photograph, the other was simulated from its 3d
representation. There was good correlation.
The analysis seems to minimize the possibility that the face is merely
a trick of light and shadow.
David Schiff
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