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Subject: CONTACT: Oscar Jordan case Part 1
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The following file(s) are a UFO case that MUFON investigator Mike
Christol has worked on.
------Oscar Jordon Story Part 1 -----------------------------------
INTRODUCTION
In April, 1973, a station wagon containing six people was en-
route to Evansville, Ind. They were approaching the small town of
Daylight, on Hwy 57, about five miles North of Evansville. The moon
was rising slowly above the horizon and the six people were engaged
in conversation. They were returning from Oakland City and
Eberfield, Ind., where they had spent the day selling for the Kirby
Vacuum Cleaner Company.
As the brown station wagon rolled effortlessly along the
highway the driver suddenly noticed a pulsating light traveling in
their direction. The object was just above the moon as it
approached their location. The chatter and intensity increased as
the object drew nearer and nearer to the car. "Do you see that?
What is that? What are we looking at? Oh God! I don't believe
what I'm looking at!" These are just some of the comments made as
the six men and women strained to get a better view of this large
object approaching their car at no more than one hundred feet above
the ground.
Oscar Jordan turned to the lady on his right, and said: "Did
you see that? Did you see that?" As she responded to him she began
to hold her stomach and lean over in the seat beside him. "I'm sick
at my stomach," she replied as Oscar rolled down the window on the
driver's side of the car in the back seat. "I really want to see
what this thing looks like," said Oscar as he pulled himself up into
the window to get a better view of this tremendous, glowing, object
moving slowly to a position directly above the now parked station
wagon.
Oscar seated himself in the car and noticed that everyone else
had passed out. He also began to feel a strange sensation and the
"lights just went completely out"...
This is the climax to a bizarre series of events which began in
October, 1972 in rural Tennessee and culminated in early April, 1973
at Daylight, Indiana, in what will come to be known as the ULTIMATE
INCIDENT, AT DAYLIGHT. The six people in this case have since gone
in different directions, and as of this writing have not been
located, with the exception of Oscar Jordan.
BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH
On July 29, 1980 Oscar Jordan, married his second wife, Freda
Ditch and lived at 1150 South Dexter Ave. in Evansville, Ind. He
retired from sales and in 1981, purchased an R.V. with which he and
Freda traveled extensively for the next five years. Their travels
took them from Florida to Canada, to Alaska. In 1986 they returned
to Evansville and finally settled at their present location in
November, 1988.
Oscar was born in Henderson, Kentucky, during the Prohibition
era, on March 28, 1924. He left Henderson in 1938 and moved to
Memphis, Tennessee. There for only a year, he returned to
Evansville in 1939 and joined the CIVILIAN CONSERVATION CORP, or the
C.C.C and worked in Idaho for a year. He returned to Henderson in
1940 and enlisted in the army in December, 1941. After thirty four
months of service he was discharged on October 27, 1944 and moved to
Detroit Michigan.
While living in Detroit, Oscar worked for the Chris Craft Corp.
in Algonac, Michigan and in 1946 returned to Evansville, where he
worked for about six months painting houses. Finally, in 1946,
Oscar was employed by the P.A. Garr Co. which made and sold Electro
Hygene Sweepers. In 1953 Oscar took a position in sales with the
Kirby Vacuum Company and worked until his retirement in 1962.
After retirement, Oscar moved to Sarasota, Florida and lived
for eight years, until moving to a rural area near Humbolt,
Tennessee, in 1970.
It was at this time, that Oscar began to become aware of the
UFO phenomena. In October, of 1972, Oscar and nine other people
witnessed a large sphere move in straight lines and hover near his
home. On one occasion one of the witnesses was an Air Force
officer.
In October of 1973, seven months after the Daylight incident,
Oscar moved to Waverly, Kentucky and remained there until moving to
Evansville in 1980.
The years between 1972 and 1984 have been filled with many
unusual and in some cases frightening experiences for Oscar Jordan.
His is but one of the growing number of cases in which average
people from all walks of life continue to report sighting UFO's and
having missing time, only to find out later by various methods that
they may have become what is now referred to as an "ABDUCTEE!"
Now for the story as Oscar lived it. In his own words, as
related to me. I now relate this amazing story to you. Welcome to
the ULTIMATE INCIDENT, AT DAYLIGHT!
INVESTIGATORS NOTE
Those who read this investigative report of the UFO
experiences of Oscar Jordan will notice that throughout the
dialogue, Oscar refers to the incident which occurred at
Daylight, Indiana, to have occurred in April 1974. Upon
review of his biographical history, from birth to the time of
this interview, we discovered that the event actually
occurred one year earlier, during the great 1973 UFO flap.
Please keep this in mind when reading this report.
Michael Christol
Investigator
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Subject: CONTACT: Oscar Jordan case Part 2
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---------Oscar Jordon Part 2 --------------------------------------
THE OSCAR JORDAN CASE
On January 28, l989, my wife Judy and I, Michael W. Christol,
conducted the following interview at the home of Oscar and Freda
Jordan.
I became aware of this case after seeing Mr. Jordan on a T.V.
News program, on Channel 25, WEHT, Evansville Indiana.
[ Don's Note: Mike had put Oscar's address and tel# here, but I've
deleted it both as a courtesy to Oscar and Mike ].
Michael Christol: "Mr. Jordan, would you tell me about your
experiences with UFO's, from the first sighting to the latest?"
Oscar Jordan: "The first time that I saw a strange light in the sky
took place in 1972. It was about between 7:30 and a quarter to 8:00
in the afternoon, in the fall of the year. In fact it was in the
first part of October, and there was a lady who worked for the power
and light company over at Alamo, Tennessee, who had seen a strange
craft in the sky which she described as a football with a light just
under the bottom part of this football thing that she had seen. And
of course at that time I thought that anybody who said that they saw
something in the sky was a...ah...absolutely a nut. In fact that
night we were looking at Startrek, and I said to one of them that
was sitting there with me, I said: `I think I had better get up and
see if I can see what all of these nuts are looking at, or at least
claim that they're looking at in the sky.' So, I got up and went to
the recreation room at the back part of the house and I was looking
out the window, and I was really looking toward the South, toward
Jackson, Tennessee. And all at once I see this pulsating light
above the tree. It was infrared in color and I looked at it and
this light was whirling around in the bottom of this thing and I
didn't actually see any kind of a craft or anything like that. It
was just a pulsating light. So as I was looking at this light, it
went right...followed the line of trees all the way down toward...
going in toward Jackson, Tennessee, which was about 9 miles from...
ah...into Jackson. And I watched this light go around in a circle
from South to East. In fact it was moving at such a tremendous
speed that it was just really phenomenal to look at. So when this
light stopped, it didn't stop as, as in any manner that I was
accustomed to looking at, it just came to a...it just came to a
stop, and it stopped! And it wobbled. I noticed it wobbled a
little bit up there, and I thought: `Well that thing is actually
wobbling like it's going around and around.' And all at once it
leveled off like that (makes hand gestures to describe the objects
motion), settled above the trees to the East of us, and there was 9
people looking at this thing. And the light was so bright that you
could have actually read a newspaper out there. And while I was
looking at this light, I spoke out and said: `You know if they
wanted to, they...they could destroy everything that there is around
here.' And it was at that time that I heard this little buzzing
sound in my ear. And I heard a voice say to me: `You have nothing
to fear.' So, and that time I had a warm glow pass throughout the
whole of my body, which was...I really felt comfortable and at ease.
I didn't feel like I had anything to fear. But anyway, while we
were looking at this craft, or whatever this was in the sky that we
were looking at that time, I ask somebody, I said: `Did you all
hear anything?' And they said: `No, we didn't hear anything.' And
I thought: `Well that's strange.' I wasn't really...I just felt
strange all over. So any-way, I kept looking into the light of this
thing and I said to them, I said: `They are getting ready to go.
They are getting ready to move.' And the light in the bottom of
this thing began to oscillate (makes a circular motion with hand).
I could tell that it was picking up in oscillating. And it moved
from the East to the West. And I had a pair of binoculars that I
was looking at this craft through. And as it went over I could see
that it was metallic in nature and it was far different from the
craft that I later saw in, in 19 and 74. But after I had this
experience with this craft, I use to look out the windows of the
back windows at night, around between 7:30 and 8:30 in the night.
And I use to watch these infrared spheres come along and approach a
line of trees. When they got to the line of of trees they would
stop, go above the tree, and come down on the other side of the tree
(makes motion to match description with hand). And I would say that
these infrared spheres were not but about maybe 5 or 6 feet off the
ground. And I thought: `Well I'm going to go and really get a
closer look at these infrared spheres.' I was really warned not to
go near them, because had I gone near them, I was told that...that
would...I would li...be literally absorbed by this. That it was
really dangerous for me to do that. So I...I...I did not go near
this infrared light that was traveling over the surface of the
ground, down there. And I've seen it night after night, this round
ball (gestures with hands to make a ball)...infrared ball. And one
night I had the occasion to watch this ball come out of the East.
And it came to a certain tree and it hovered above this certain
tree. And while it was above this tree, it emitted sparks of
electricity down on this tree. And I thought: `Boy, if that ain't
something.' And I never did have my little box camera where I could
get a picture of the thing. In fact, I wasn't prepared to do so.
And, so that went on for about..Oh, I'd say up until about
December, about the 25th day of December."
"The 25th day of December I've always had the occasion to go
out and look and to see if I could see them. And it seems like to
me that they were always there. And I got to the point where I was
able to look at that whirling light in the bottom of it, and I got
to the point where I could tell when they were going to turn, and I
knew what their next move was going to be. And I thought: `How
strange it is to be setting here and looking at this and knowing
exactly what they were going to do next up in the...up in the
stratosphere.' So I made a statement that night when I was looking
into this light that I'd give anything if I could really see what
they really were and know more about the craft."
"I...ah...after that period of time we moved away from
Tennessee, and I decided that I was wanting to get back into some
selling again, so I came to Evansville. I still lived in Tennessee
at that...and I came to Evansville and was working out of an office
down here in Evansville (Oscar worked for Kirby Vacuum Cleaner
sales). I and six other people had made a trip up to Oakland City,
Indiana, and we were on our way back from Oakland City and I came
out of this little town of Oakland City and went down to Eberfield,
Indiana. And we had worked there for maybe about an hour, and we
decided that we were going on into Evansville. As we were coming 57
(Hwy) the driver of the station wagon noticed this pulsating light
off...coming from the South-East toward us. And I said: `Do you
see that bright light up there?' I said: `It's pulsating and
coming in our direction.' I said: `I believe it's one of them.'
And it came right straight toward the car and stopped about 300 feet
away from us and about 100 feet up in the sky. It was at that time
that I said: `Well, I really want to see what this thing looks like
and I'm going to roll the window down and pull myself out so I can
really get a look at it.' I said to this lady that was sitting next
to me in the car. I said: `Did you see that? Did you see that?'
And she said: `I'm sick at my stomach.' And as I rolled the window
down, I pulled myself up out of the...the...over...put my hand on
the top part of the car and pulled myself out to really get a real
look at this thing. And I thought: `Oh my God, I don't believe
what I'm looking at here!' The bottom of this craft had a
transparent cover over a recessed light that set in a...in a cone
shaped thing in the front with a...coming to a triangle in the back.
And then on this outer edge of this craft, I could tell that this
part actually was co...connected with this craft in the bottom. But
from that point back, the bottom of this thing pulsated an electrum
heat that covered the whole circumference of this craft on the
outside. It seemed to be enveloped in a...what I would call an
electrum light around the whole outside of it. It was about 60 feet
across in diameter. It made no sound. The only thing that I
noticed about it was that it had this window in the front. And that
wind...that part of it was, was just as light...ah...white on the
inside, I thought. I sit back down in the car because I felt this
heat on my arm and it was getting to the point where I couldn't
stand it any more. So I sit back down in my seat and I looked over
at this lady that was sitting there and by that time I realized that
this lady was literally...her head had dropped to the side. And I
looked around in the car and I thought: `Well I'm the only one in
this car that's really conscious about what the heck's going on
here.' So I thought: `Well I'm going to take another look at it.'
So I, this time when I pulled myself back and looked out the window,
the craft was sitting right over the top of the car. And I...seems
like to me the lights just went completely out, and that's the last
thing I remember. I do realize that when the time I came back
around again, I was looking at this thing in the sky, and it...it
had gone up about...it had moved and the movement of it was so fast
that I couldn't detect the movement of it. But it went right
straight up about 1000 feet and just got small in the sky. And I
kept looking at this and I thought: `Oh my God, I don't believe
this, I really don't believe it.' And my attention was drawn by
another bright light in the sky, off to the South of me. I noticed
that the moon was not in the same place it was I thought a second
ago. I thought: `Well surely the moon didn't move too!' And as I
was looking at this other thing in the sky, it...ah...it was so
unreal that I couldn't even hardly believe what I was looking at
there. Because it had the same electrum around the outside of
that...it was so bright...bright a glow, and it had an infrared
thing in the center of...of that too. I now realized that what I
was now looking at was not really a craft, but I...I honestly
believe it was a hologram that I was looking at adjacent to this
craft that was sitting above me. We...ah... finally people were
back to normal in the car. I was looking out at this and I kept
seeing this light revolve in the bottom of it. It kept getting
brighter and brighter and brighter on the horizon, and as it went
away, it suddenly...ah...the brightness suddenly became a dot on the
horizon going straight North. It moved so fast it was there one
second and the next second it was just gone. And that's how it
happened."
"Now there are other events about this that happened within a
six months period of time. I was laying down one night and all at
once I kept seeing lights flashing off and on and going off and on
and I remember that I was looking at a...a panel on a wall. And
things were going through my mind so fast that I...that I...it
absolutely gave me a headache. And then after that they use to tell
me where they were going to be in the sky. How...what they were
going to be doing and things like that. And I knew later on when
they told me they were going to be in one part of the sky, they were
really there. And I pointed this out to a lot of people at that
time. In fact the Mayor in this one little town...I never will
forget it. The Kentucky State Basketball game was going on and I
was a little reluctant to go down to his house and get him because I
felt I would be taking him away from his national past time. But
anyway, I...I did go down and get him and I brought him up there and
I said: `I want you to take a look at this, because if you don't
see it you won't believe it.' And there was a whole series of
lights flashing in the sky. There was a triangle set of lights that
went across like this, up like this and came back down (Oscar draws
a triangle in the air, which represented the shape of the light
pattern, with his finger). When that sequence of lights would go
off, there was another sequence of lights that came on like this and
went across like this diagonal shape, and then there was a round
circle of lights out here on this end of it. And this...these
lights all came on in sequence and went off in sequence. And I set
up my telescope...ah...spotting scope and I let this fellow who was
the mayor of this town look through this spotting scope. And you
could actually see windows that this light was emanating from. And
I would venture to say that these lights that we were looking at was
really on the fringe of space...that we were looking at...and this,
you could see the metallic color and the glow around this...up
there. And he said: `What in the world are we looking at?' And I
said: `Well, that's a good question.' But while we were looking at
this diagonal shaped one, you could see lights going out and lights
coming back into this thing. There were craft flying...going out of
this and coming back in...into this one. The...ah...later on in...
ah...a few months later there was a storm going on and I happened to
be looking out toward the East, from where I was. And there was a
round shaped object in the sky where the same light oscillated
around and around up there. And many times after that I saw many
lights flashing off and on in the sky. And one night I remember an
old colored fellow, by the name of Chambers, that I had talked to
and pointed out to. So one night, I...this circular one was coming
...coming alone, and I called this colored fellow up and I said:
`Chambers, I want you to take a look out...out and tell me if you
see the same thing that I see.' So he goes and he looks out his
window and he walks out in his yard...comes back in the house and he
says: `There's a circle of lights up there going around and
around.' And I said: `Yea.' And I said: `It's not moving, not
moving hardly at all, it's just hung up there in the sky.' So
Chambers had the occasion to go up to a certain Bar-B-Q place
(Peke's, in Waverly, Ky.) down in this little-o-bitty town that I
lived in. And he pointed this same thing out to a lot of people
that was there, and one of them said: `Well, what is it?' And of
course Chambers knew that they were probably going to make fun of
him for pointing it out to them, and he said: `Maybe it's a
television set up there blinking off and on and going around.' But
anyway, he had his mirror on his truck and he turned his mirror up
on his truck until he got this object in the mirror, and they could
all look in the mirror and see these lights going around and around
on this craft. This craft made its appearance there periodically,
and the night that I saw this large display of lights in the sky, I
was told in 1977 that they would not make themselves visible like
they had before, and not as often. And I've since seen lights in
pairs in triangle shape in pairs of three in the sky. I haven't had
a close encounter with any object like I did in 1974. I did in 1977
make a replica of the craft that I saw in the sky, because I felt
like people really should know what this thing looks like. They
have many different kinds of craft. Different makes and model of
craft in the sky, they are not all the same. And when people see
these craft, it depends on from what angle they are really looking
at this craft. They are really describing what they see, but they
are looking...from whatever angle they are looking at this craft it
makes different kinds of shape in the background. So people are
actually seeing what they see. But they...ah...if you...if they see
it up close it's one of the strangest phenomenons I've ever seen in
my life. We feel like we're the only pe...only thing in this
Universe, and I know that's absolutely not true today. There are
other entities in the world that we don't comprehend, and don't
understand. And when I had my first encounter in 1972, I became so
UFO minded, that I really wanted to search and read about every
piece of UFO literature I could and try to understand what was going
on. I read many things about what's happened to many different
people throughout the United States and around about the whole
world. We laugh at these individuals and we make fun, but this is
not a laughing matter. There is things happening in the world that
we don't comprehend or understand. Wherever they are from, I don't
know. I don't think anybody else does. But none the less, they do
exist. We...ah...we need to really try to understand more about
this. I don't believe it's in the realm of man to understand this
until they really get ready for you...really know what their purpose
is here on this earth, or what they are actually doing here, because
they far surpass us in technology. Anyone who can travel as fast as
they can travel makes anything that we have look like in the primer
stage. And that's...I still look forward to one day having another
close encounter. I don't think I would be near as shook up about it
if I did, as I was the first time. And there are many strange
things that happened at that particular time that I would like to
know more about. I don't know whether I'll ever find out what
happened to us 6 people in that car that night. I do know that I
felt like I was in a cloud, and I do remember looking at this tree
and not looking at it from the same angle that I had looked at it
previously. I felt like we were being lifted up and I was in a
cloud. And after that I had my...as far as my mind and thoughts
were, it became a blank. And that's my story."
Mike Christol: "O.K. Would you reiterate once more about your trip
down the Pennyrile and...and the things that happened. The events
plus the gentleman that came to your house and set on your porch.
(Oscar told Judy and me this story before we set up the video camera
and I'm asking him to repeat it again.)
Oscar: (Chuckles) "Yea. This took place Friday after our...our
sighting of this bright light in the sky. About, I'd say, about two
days later after that. I had someone knock on the door and come in
and sit down and he posed as a book salesman. And I ask him what
the book was all about and he said it was about dealing with the
Bible, and he was sure I was interested in the Bible and he wanted
to leave that book with me. I didn't, needless to say, buy the
book. I did have quite a chat with this young...whoever he was, and
supposedly he was from somewhere up in Bloomington, Indiana. This
very strange...ah...this person was so thin that I...he was...I
really thought he looked sick, he was so thin. He had dark skin,
very gaunt features, and...I ke...the more I kept looking at this
person sitting there I felt like it really wasn't any time to lie.
Because, when he looked at me, he looked like he was looking right
straight through me. And I had a feeling that...that he was reading
my mind and my thoughts while I was sitting there. I've never had a
feeling like that come over me in my life and I've never seen
anything or anyone that gave me that feeling. This, this strange
part about the whole thing is that when this fellow left the house
and walked to the outside, there was a sulfur smell in the air. I
don't know where he went to...he just...he just went! And this
dark, rustic, I wouldn't say rustic, but faded out car that was
setting up there where th...where this road was, it was gone too.
I never did see him go back to the car. I don't even know where
that car went. It just fttt...(makes a disappearing motion with his
hands) it was...it was gone. Now that may sound kind of hairy to
people, but that's actually what happened. And I've had Orientals
come to the house that I thought was Orientals, and they were not...
they weren't Orientals. There was...there was something strange
about them too. And when I...I found myself wanting to take trips,
to go to Evansville. I had no reason to go to Evansville, but I
found myself going in that direction. And I was coming down the...
the Purchase (Parkway in South-western Kentucky, intersecting Hwy.
51 out of Tennessee near Fulton, Kentucky.) highway out of
Martinsville, Tennessee (He means Martin, Tenn.), and I remember
coming onto the highway there in Martinsville, Tennessee and I was
riding down the road and all at once here's this black car and there
was two men setting in the front seat dressed in black. And their
face and their skin was as white as it could be. And they both
looked identical, that's the thing that really got me more than
anything else. That they...there was...they looked so identical
they wasn't even funny. And I kept looking at them and I thought:
`Well that's strange, two people look identical, the same, in this
car.' I didn't use no gas going down that road. That was something
else strange too. Seems like I was being pushed along down that
road. And time didn't seem to matter much either. And I kept
thinking: `Well dad-gone, I wonder why they are following me down
the road?' So I decided that I was just going to slow my car down
an...and give them a chance to get around me. Well, I let up on the
pedal and they did come along side of me and I looked right out
across from them. Right across at them, and I thought: `Boy if you
ain't a couple of strange dudes.' And I...and it really gave me a
creepy feeling. And finally they dropped back and I was going on
down the road toward the Western Kentucky Parkway. And on another
occasion when I was going down that road, my motor began to miss
out, and I'm not so sure I wasn't abducted that night. I...because
time elapsed again, and when I got to the Western Kentucky Parkway,
I pulled in at a gas station there and I stopped. And I kept
looking out from the gas station and there were all kinds of
blinking lights up there in the sky. And I...I pointed them out to
somebody. I said: `Do you all see all those lights up there in the
sky?' And apparently these people had gotten so use to it they
didn't pay any mind to it. But none-the-less they were there. And
right where you come off of the Purchase, there on...ah...not at the
Purchase, but on the Parkway coming on to the Pennyrile there,
that's exactly where th...that was taking place.
But, when I left and moved up to this little town of Waverly,
Kentucky, there were many, many instances that we saw these craft in
the sky there. And I remember an incident about some lady in
Kentucky claimed that they were picked up by a craft that was as
large as three football fields. I don't doubt that story at all,
because I've seen this...this round craft, and it is a large craft.
So, if...if...if people are telling these stories, they are really
happening. It's just not something they are dreaming up in their
mind. And I've had these experiences. I don't understand them, but
it did happen. And it did happen with six people in the car with me
in 1974. (During a later visit with Oscar and his wife, Freda, I
chronicled Oscar's life beginning with his birth and bringing him up
to his present age and address. In doing this, we discovered that
the 1974 incident at Daylight, Indiana, with six other people in the
car, actually occurred in April, 1973. Thus, the incident occurred
approximately six months after his initial sighting in Oct. 1972.)
I, incidentally, I sent this...I made another replica of this
craft and I sent this to the UFO Center in Evanston, Illinois. And
I had a person to come down to see me from Bloomington, Indiana,
from the UFO Center. And they ask me quite a few questions. There
was no follow up on...on this at all. I had the feeling that these
people who were questioning me at that time were governmental
officials. And they...they have the information, they know about
it. But I think they are...they know a lot more than they are
telling people about this."
Mike: "Could you hold the model at different angles and...and go
again...once again describe what you saw on your model that...even
the features that you don't have on it?"
Oscar: "Well, in the...in the bottom part of this craft here, there
is a...there is another square like piece that comes down and goes
over and then goes down. And then from...in this area here, there
is a French Protracted Curve that comes out on...in this area in
here on both sides of this craft. I put these antenna on...on this
craft from the side here, to show that there was antenna that
protruded out on this craft in here like this. Now, the antenna
that...that came out of the side of this craft is half telescoped.
Made out of the same metallic material that...that is on here (the
rest of the craft). I just put these antenna on there to show that
there was antenna that came out the side of this craft. This craft
in it...this craft had something like an electrum all around the
whole circumference of this craft. It was literally bathed in
light. Now when this light...that was recessed in this cone shaped
thing here in the bottom of it...when it oscillated in the bottom of
it, it sent this glow around the whole circumference of...of the
craft. This bottom part in here, all the way across this part in
here, when it...when this light oscillated, you could see the heat
reverberate in the bottom of this thing from it. In fact the heat
that comes out of the front of this craft in the front of it, if
you...if you were to be exposed to that for any length of time, I
think that it would literally burn the flesh right off of your body.
I was 300 feet away from this thing and it literally...it just
cooked my arms. It cooked my face. It burned me all the way down
to my legs and this part of my body (points to mid-section). Burned
me right straight through my clothes. And I had...that's...I think
that's the reason that I set down when I did, because I couldn't
have stood the heat from it for many...longer. I think it would
have literally have burned my eyes right out of my head. I had
headaches. The first time I saw this I had headaches for about 3 or
4 weeks after that. And this time when I looked at it my eyes ran
water. Water ran out of my eyes for about 6 to 8 weeks after I
looked into this light. So it's very important that...that anyone
does have an encounter like that, they don't need to...they...they
need to shield themselves from the light of this thing, because it
will have a tremendous effect upon the...the body and also upon the
person himself.
It's strange...ah...strange that anything can travel as fast as
this does. I'd like to say one thing about this. I've since
realized that...that when I was looking at the television screen one
night, they were talking about super conductivity. And they raised
this little cube up, like that (makes a rising motion with hand).
It made me realize what I was looking at...at that time. That it's
possible for man to travel at any speed he wants to. He just
doesn't realize how to do it yet. But, I would say that...that this
is on the order of super conductivity, and the magnetic sphere and
field around this thing. Because it...ah...it was real up...
literally bathed in...in...in electrum light. And where it went,
the light went right along with it. I think it literally...ah...
this cloud that I was in, I believe that...I believe that this cloud
that I was in and felt like I was in, the heat is so super around
this thing that it literally was burning up the moisture that was in
the air and that's what made this cloud. Now the hotter this...when
this light oscillates fast, the more this light oscillates in the
bottom, the brighter this thing gets (sounds as though the color
changes as the frequency the craft emits increases). And the
brighter it gets...ah...when it went away that night it looked just
like a boiling cloud going...going away from us that night. And I
...like I say, I haven't had a close encounter with...with any craft
since then. I've seen them a lot of times after that, until 1977.
I've seen on the occasion after that many high sightings, but no low
sightings. And I haven't seen those infrared spheres...Oh! And
there was another ...there was another thing that I saw in the sky,
that...that made me feel real funny. And this craft looked like the
darkness of midnight with an infrared light in the...in the...that
...in the center of it. But it was so black that you couldn't see
nothing but just plain darkness. That's all it emulated...was
nothing but real dark, dark, dark light. And to loo...watch it go
across the...they don't travel very...they were down rather low that
night in Tennessee. And I've been back to this area a couple or
three times, but I thought...always thought it was strange that all
those people live around there and yet they don't show themselves to
them people at all, hardly. There was a lot of people in Tennessee
that...that witnessed this craft and talked about it openly. But
seems like to me that the...the people that lived there took no
interest in it at all. And that's kind of strange to realize that.
I do know that they have had some sightings since then."
Mike: "O.K."
Freda: "We were going down the highway..."
Oscar: "You, yea. You remember that time when we were going down
the highway Freda, and this black, four cornered light, stayed in
front of us all the way down the highway? And it was raining so bad
that..."
Freda: "Storming."
Oscar: "Yea. And we couldn't even see where the road...(chuckles)
started and where the road ended..."
Freda: "It was just like a...a black square object. And it fit
right in the front end of our car. And I got so upset...so excited
that I laid down in the seat for a bit and I raised up and I said:
`It's still there, it's still there. Look!' And we just kept on a
going and finally...when it finally disappeared, we felt like we
must get off of the highway..."
Oscar: "But, I've...I had that feeling that as long as we followed
this...this in front of us, that nothing would happen to us. And as
it was, it...nothing happened. We were literally following this
black, four cornered..."
Freda: "It looked like it was black, shiny, and slick."
Oscar: "in front of us. And it led us right straight down the
highway. It's a very, very strange thing, and I'm not a person that
...that believes, I don't believe in mysticism. I'm a realist. And
I'm a person that sees things for what they are. And, being a
realist, I'm a realist about everything I do. I'm not a person to
take chances. I always studied things that other people don't look
into, and I'm a person that really seeks for knowledge. Because, I
realize that knowledge is a defense and a strong tower. So, to
acquire knowledge means that one must have an open mind. And that's
the only way you can acquire knowledge is through an open mind.
I've met a lot of people in my life who were closed minded and
not ready to...to understand anything. When I first had this UFO
experience, I wanted to find out if there was an answer to it. And
it...I think that the conclusion that I've came from...what I've
come to over the years, is that there is an answer to all of...of
these things. And I'm sure that the one's in this craft, when they
get ready for us to know what the answer is, that we will find out
what it is. I don't know when that is going to come about, but...
but there is...there is an answer."
Mike: "Alright, let's go back to your sighting in 1972. You said
that as it...the object would move and get ready to move, that you
could watch the bottom of the light on the very bottom. And that
you could determine in which direction that it was going to move.
Was...how did you perceive direction? Was there a color change?
Did it become more bright on one side than it would the other? Say,
for instance, if it was going to move to it's left, would the light
on...on the left side of it, or the right side of it get brighter?"
Oscar: "I noticed...how come me to notice the way it was going to
change...seemed like to me that when this light revolved, whatever
direction they were going to turn in, that was...angle in which this
light was...the angle that they were not going to turn on, it seemed
to be real bright. But as it came, it swung around like this (makes
revolving motion with hand). That light would change in the
direction that they were going to go. And too, I think really and
truly, that they were in some way communicating with me and telling
me which ever angle that they were going to turn. Because, after I
had this...after I heard this voice speak to me, it seems like that
I had close communication with...with them."
Mike: "Was it ever communication...ever instinctive knowledge that
came to you after this first hearing the Voice? I noticed that
several times you remarked that you communicated with them from time
to time."
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "Now was this strictly a telepathic type of communication?"
Oscar: "Yes, telepathic."
Mike: "You don't...do you feel like that it at any time was based
on, say maybe an abduction, where you could have been taken and told
this? And then it was suppressed in your memory?"
Oscar: "No! I had a feeling that they were so in tuned with my
mind, that whatever I saw, they saw through my eyes for some reason.
And it's a real strange feeling. Just something you can't explain.
But I felt I...I just felt so broad in scope and view of things that
whatever I was looking at they were...they were looking at it right
along with me."
Mike: "O.K. Were you always, prior to this first sighting, always
open minded, in your opinion?"
Oscar: "Well, I've always...like I've said, think that the way to
be open minded is through knowledge. And I've always looked at...
things from a different viewpoint. I always felt that if you really
wanted to understand people, you had to understand what they
believe in order to do that, in order to communicate. And I don't
mean communicate in a sarcastic manner. Because if you communicate
in a sarcastic manner, you're going to get a sarcastic reaction. In
order to communicate with people, you have to have an open mind and
you have to be willing to accept what they believe in order to
communicate with them. You can't communicate with people any other
way. If you have a hostile attitude, you're going to get a hostile
reaction. It's that simple. So I didn't really fear. Even today I
didn't fear whatever happened to me. I...I didn't fear it...like I
say, there is some things about this that I don't talk about,
because I don't feel that the average mind could comprehend what I'm
trying to sa...what I'd be saying anyway. So I don't talk about it.
There have been things that have happened to me in the past eight or
nine years that have changed my whole life. For whatever reason, I
...I...I was told about certain things and they came true. My past
life...and they happened just the way they said it would happen and
I...I try to really comprehend it, of which I don't. There's some
things that I don't comprehend about this."
Mike: "Who...who told you these things that have happened?"
Oscar: "Telepathically I was told."
Mike: "These Ael...Extraterrestrial Intelligences passes this on?~
Oscar: "Yes, Yes!"
Mike: "Extraterrestrial Intelligences revealed to you a past live?"
Oscar: "Well, they...they revealed things to me that were going to
happen to me that happened, that really did happen. I think they
did it in a way so I would be prepared for the...for it, because it
was a great shock."
Mike: "Right."
Oscar: "See? And of course with my religious background, that I
had over the years, and the knowledge that I had acquired from that,
it made me realize that whatever that is, if it...if it...whatever
entity that is, it was a created entity. And when it was created,
and how it was created, I don't know. But there's certain...their
is a degree of intelligence there that I can't even...I can't even
begin to fathom. Anyone who can telepathically communicate with me
and use my mind and make me understand things, certainly know more
about me than I know about myself. They know more about my working
brain than I do. It's...it's...this is...the thing I'm trying to
say is beyond comprehension. It's beyond comprehension! I don't
fully understand it. I wish I knew all there would be to know about
it. I look at all of the knowledge and wisdom that went into this
thing and...and there's a great intelligence there. It's...in fact
it's...it's so great that it's just...it's just hard for a human
mind to comprehend it."
Mike: "Did you at anytime feel that you were being manipulated?"
Oscar: "Yes!"
Mike: "Were you being forced to do things?"
Oscar: "I...I felt that I was being manipulated. I don't know
whether I was manipulated to do the...all the things that I...that I
did, but in some way I...I really felt like I was being
manipulated."
Mike: "Did you feel like that...that the thing was a threat to you
at any time?"
Oscar: (Takes a deep breath while contemplating the question.)
Mike: "If you didn't perform..."
Oscar: "No, I...I didn't...I really didn't feel as...as if it was a
threat. Because, I was told from the outset that I didn't have
anything to fear. I felt that one time that possibly they were
going to just literally pick me up and take me away. And I wasn't
going to be free, but I...I begged to be free, because I said:
`There are some things that I would like to do that I haven't had an
opportunity to do, and I'd like to do that.'"
Mike: "Were you ever in any...let's take for instance, this
particular meeting between you and I, and those in this room. Were
you ever, any time pri...in years prior to this, made aware that
this would probably happen?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "That it was meant to be, in other words?"
Oscar: "Oh, yes!"
Mike: "Was it according to the time table you had been given, or
was it early or late?"
Oscar: "Well, in 1977, when I went to this TV station there, (WEHT
-TV, CHANNEL 25, Evansville, Indiana) with my reproduction of what I
saw in the sky, they looked at me rather skeptical. And I can say
that I don't blame them for looking at me skeptical. Because I'm
talking to people who are news reporters and although this is being
reported and going on all over the world, they had the same feeling
that I did, the first time that I got up out of my chair and walked
to the back of the room. I had that same attitude. So it didn't
come as any great surprise to me, but I felt that people who really
needed to know about this...in fact I think they really wanted me to
make it known. See? So that if it...it comes on a grand scale, it
won't be...it won't be as near of a shock to people as...ah...you
know after all we look around this Universe and...and we're floating
in our little sphere. What goes on out of this sphere that we're
in, we know little or nothing about it. My mother said: `It was a
great thing for man to go the moon.' See? And I thought...and I
said that: `It was not really a big deal.' And it really isn't a
big deal. It...I...I said to her, I said: `As far as this Universe
is concerned.' And I listened to this speech that many of our
contemporary put out, such as conquering space. Well, going to the
moon would be like a piss-ant crawling up on a window seal. It's...
it's a very small thing, and yet as...as a real accomplishment for
man, it is a great thing. But when we look at our Universe that we
live in, and we look at the sphere that we live in ourself...in
here we are floating in space with a magnetic field around us that
holds us wherever we are in space. We can't see that magnetic
field, and yet it does exist. I...I saw, not too long ago, the
phenomenon of the Northern Lights. And the more these people
observe these Northern Lights up there, they realize that they're
dealing with a magnetic field that surrounds this earth. And those
lights are really a magnetic force. They don't understand it, they
don't comprehend it, but it's there. It's always there, the only
difference is that we just can't see it. It's a force that we can't
comprehend."
Mike: "OK. Getting back to the 1972 sighting, where the objects
came down close to the tree..."
Oscar: "Yes."
Mike: "...And they gave off the sparks. Did they actually touch
the tree?"
Oscar: "No."
Mike: "Wer...wer...what do you think was the purpose for being
around the tree?"
Oscar: "I...it's...now I observed this thing for about at least a
week. It made it's appearance through...you know...it's the same
line...went to the same tree and went in the same direction every
night. It...it was...it was as if it was programmed to do that."
Mike: "Would you consider the possibility that...that these objects
may have used this tree sort of like a grounding device?"
Oscar: "That's right. They...they came right to the same tree
every night. I thought when I...I could have set my watch by the
time."
Mike: "So you think that's their way of...of letting the earth...
of grounding themselves to the earth by touching their fields?"
Oscar: "Do you really...do you really want me to tell you what they
were really doing with those things?"
Mike: "Yes."
Oscar: "They were...they...what they were really doing was
surveying the ground. It...it was sort of a survey thing. Because
they were really surveying out the land and so forth. Because when
this thing came...this thing wasn't any more than five or six feet
off of the ground. And it would go across field after field after
field down there. And when it came to a tree, it would stop before
that tree. And it would go right straight up over the top of that
tree, and come right back down on the other side, and covered the
whole field. And then...and then go to another field." *
Mike: "There was a sense of purpose..."
Oscar: "There was a purpose behind it."
Mike: "Did you ever have a feeling of what the purpose may have
been? Why they would take a little town like that and survey it?
What was the name of this town?"
Oscar: "Oh. This was in the...this was in...in the country side
that they were doing that. And they were doing it all...all over
that whole country side. I think they've done it all over the
United States."
Mike: "Do you think this was for the purpose of mapping?"
Oscar: "Mapping!"
Mike: "In exact maps."
Oscar: "They...they know the terrain...they know the terrain better
than you and...better than we do. It had...it was a sense of
purpose. This thing...and...and yet if anyone would have went near
that, they would have been absorbed by it. I was told that...that
if I went near that, it would literally absorb me!"
Mike: "Was this a telepathic..."
Oscar: "Yes!"
Mike: "Now this...was this a feeling or was it as a voice?"
Oscar: "Oh, I...I've...not only the voice, but the feeling was
there. DANGER! NOT TO GO NEAR THAT! If I went near that I would
...I would literally be absorbed! I would be no more!"
Mike: "The...the absorption meant that your molecules would be just
scattered..."
Oscar: "Absolutely. No more! That's what I was told!"
Mike: "Disintegrated!"
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* I have in my files the name of a person in Kansas, who, while on
a fishing trip with several other men, saw an orange sphere rise
from behind a hill, level off at about 400 feet, and proceed to move
over the terrain in an up and down zig zag fashion. He said all up
and down and horizontal movement was done at 90 degree angles, and
it looked to him as though it could have been some sort of terrain
following equipment. He stated that static rather than music issued
forth from his radio while they were fishing and attracted his
attention to the object.
Oscar: "That's true."
Mike: "Because of the field itself."
Oscar: "That's right."
Mike: "Alright. Did they ever make known to you that...a way
whereby you could safely approach?"
Oscar: "Now way! No way to approach it safely! "
Mike: "Alright. What about in...in your opinion now, based upon
what you've seen and been telepathically told. The possibility of
where people are picked up; how to you think that they safely enter
those craft?"
Oscar: "I think they're picked up...I think they enter into
another...from my experience, I lost all sense of time. I think
they are...are passed from one entity to another entity. I believe
that when they come under the influence of this craft, this craft
has it's own entity. What I mean by that is, it...you pass out of
one magnetic field into another magnetic field."
Mike: "Do you think these craft then are really living things,
rather than mechanical objects?"
Oscar: "I believe it's a mechanical object, but I don't...I believe
...in some ways I believe that some of the entities that are on
there are not exactly real either. But the ones that are real are
the ones that can come and look at you and communicate with you.
They're real, but some of the...some of the objects that they use
are mechanical."
Mike: "Our scientists are finding ways to integrate genes with
metals to make these metals have life, or intelligence."
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "Is this the type of material development, do you think,
that's being used to make these things?" Or, do you think they're
just strictly metal? And not metal as we think of it, but because
they're...from what I've read they're a lightweight type of metal."
Oscar: "Well, the...the ones that...the ones that are...are robot
have this glow around them. The ones that are not robot, they are
the real...they're real."
Mike: "OK. So what you're saying is, the big craft, which you made
the model of has the glow..."
Oscar: "Yes!"
Mike: "...Was more of a remote controlled ship?"
Oscar: "No! You see these entities that are inside of this craft,
are...are real!"
Mike: "Alright."
Oscar: "They are enveloped in this field. But on the inside of
this field, the...the...the part that they are not a part of is...is
this magnetic force, or whatever it is around this. They're...
they're sealed in this, but they're protected from it. And they're
real!"
Mike: "Right."
Oscar: "They're...but it...there is so much power and so much
control here in this...in this craft. They...they have power
untold. Power that they can control. They can...they can send out
a...a light from this thing which literally shut...they could shut
down a whole town if they wanted to!"
Mike: "How do you think they do that?"
Oscar: "I think they...I think it's done by magnetic forces. We...
ah...it's...it's the only answer that I can understand. Anytime
I...I...I go by this for the simple reason that if we have any
magnetic force coming from the Sun, it kind of screws up your
television. Screws up your radio communications. They...they have
this type of power and they could...they can do just...it...anytime
they want to, if they wanted to use it."
Mike: "What we're looking at here is a remote controlled type of...
of currents, where they can actually drain all of the energy out of
everything, then turn around and charge it again form a distance."
Oscar: "They can! They have the power to do that! They...they...
you know our...when you stop and thing about our existence, ourself,
our brain sends electrodes to the rest of our body. Since I've had
this experience that I've had, I've lost a great deal of my
sensitivity. I don't have the same sensitivity in my hands and my
body that I use to. In fact, my...the electrical currents that come
off of my brain are scattered. They don't follow any one particular
point. They're scattered throughout my whole body now."
Mike: "Do you have parts on your body that don't feel?"
Oscar: "I have...I have no feelings in my arms and in my hips and
certain parts of my body. In fact I could pick up a red hot pot and
I don't even know I've got it in my hand until I have a burn from
it."
Mike: "In other words, if I take a pin and jab your fing..."
Oscar: "I have no sensitivity at all. In fact I've had needles
stuck in the...in the side of my hands by Neurologists. He says:
`You don't even feel that do you?' I said: `No, I have no
sensitivity.'"
Mike: "Would you have any objection to a demonstration of that?"
Oscar: "Yea, I don't have no objections. I...I cut my finger in
there a while ago. I cut it and didn't even realize that I...I had
done it until I had already done it."
Mike: (Turning to my wife, Judy) "Do you have anything sharp? I
don't have anything totally sharp."
Judy: "No."
Oscar: "I...ah...in fact I just went, not too long ago and I had...
I had the...the..."
Mike: "Acupuncture?"
Oscar: "Yea. I've had needles that long (indicates a length of
about six inches.) put down in my arms and through my back. And
down in my side of my hands and all around. But, I...I do not have
the sensitivity that I once had in my flesh."
Mike: "OK."
Judy: "Looks like that would effect the way you are able to move.
It doesn't seem..."
Oscar: "Well, I've been told by Neurologists that eventually I
would...ah...eventually loose all of the movement altogether,
because I've had a diffusion. In other words, what's happened to
the Mylein that surrounds my nerves, I...I don't...I'm loosing all
of that..."
Judy: "Ummm..."
Oscar: "...for some reason. They don't know why. I had...when I
went over there and had all those tests over in...hospital over
there. They told me that I...that eventually I would be paralyzed
all over. But I...I figure well, you know, they said 10 years or
so, and I said: `Well what difference does it make? If I live
another 10 years I will have lived my life.' See? But no, I've had
...I've had them put it all the way down into my flesh, and the
sensitivities just not there. I...I was rubbing my hips this
morning, and my hip bones, and I said: `Boy, that's just as dead as
a...there's no feeling there hardly at all.'"
Mike: "And you think this is a direct result of coming in contact
with the fields on these ships?~
Oscar: "I think it had...I think it had a lot to do with it. I've
...I didn't go very far with the Neurologist. I've...I wanted to
tell him what I've felt it really was, but I don't think he's ready
to...for that. Doesn't understand..."
Mike: "And he hasn't been able to find any other cause for this
loss of..."
Oscar: "No! I didn't have diabetes. I don't have...ah...the only
thing...he said that I had come in contact with a great deal of
poison. I almost had to laugh about that, because I'm not conscious
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----Oscar Jordon Part 3 (CONCLUSION) -------------------------------
of that fact."
Mike: "A radiation type."
Oscar: "Yes. I really think it's from a type of radiation."
Mike: "Right."
Oscar: "But I noticed when we came back up from Florida, this last
trip up from Florida, I began to get blurred vision..."
Freda: "Hold that." (Talking to Judy.) "Do you want that?"
(Offering me a needle.)
Mike: "No, just one of the small ones."
Oscar: "I began to get blurred vision and have headaches and things
like that."
Freda: "Oops!" (Drops a needle.)
Mike: "That's good right there." (Taking needle.)
Freda: "Wait a minute, I've got two of them."
Oscar: "And this doctor _____, he took a needle and went across my
back with a needle and so forth, you know. And he said...he said to
me; says: `you...you don't really feel that at all do you, in that
area?' And I said: `No, I don't feel it.' And when they...when
this doctor put that needle up through my hand, back up in here.
(points to the webbing area between the thumb and index finger of
his left hand.) He said: `You know that this is the most sensitive
part of your whole body. You're going to come right off of the
table." So I thought: `Well it's going to hurt.' So I rolled over
and stuck my chops in the wall, you know. And I put my hand out
like that and finally I said: `Well, have you got it in there?' He
said: `Yea, I got it in there, don't you feel it?' I said: `No.'
He said: `Well you're...I don't know about you!"
Mike: "Ok. Here is a needle. I'll give it to you and let you do
your own sticking, because I wouldn't want to be the one to do that
to you." (Oscar sticks a needle into his left arm about two inches
below the elbow. The needle is inserted about an eighth to a
quarter of an inch. Once the needle is inserted, Oscar extends his
arm to full length for all to view.)
Mike: "Ouch! The back of the hand?"
Oscar: "Naw. I don't even...I don't feel that at all. I just have
no sensitivity."
Mike: "What about on the back of your hand?"
Oscar: "No. None." (Takes the needle out of his arm and sticks
himself on the back of the hand, on his arm, on the underside, and
also in the palm. The arm did not bleed from the needle sticks.)
Mike: "None what so ever?"
Oscar: "No! I have no sensitivity."
Mike: "And you feel like this is a direct result from your exposure
to the radiation from these..."
Oscar: "I...you see I...I don't know. I can't actually say,
but..." (Chuckles and hands me the needle.)
Mike: "It's sharp alright!" (Stuck myself with needle.)
Oscar: "Yea. I have no...no sensitivity. My...my sense of feel...
like I say I...I've gone in there and picked up...sometimes I've
picked up things from the stove. One night I thought I had that
little cooking pan, and I thought I had hold of the handle of it and
I really had hold of the bottom of it. And I picked that thing up
and I said: `Oh my god Freda, I've got this in my hand! I need to
put it down! And when I put it down it had burnt me all the way
down through...all the way across these four fingers. (Takes the
knife edge of his left hand and rubs it diagonally across his right
palm, from the top of the index finger all the way down and off of
the left edge of the heel of the palm, near the wrist.) I feel the
feeling way down in the bone. So I just put my hand down in ice
water for a little bit and about 15 or 20 minutes and it was all
gone."
Mike: "And you never blistered or anything?"
Oscar: "I blistered a little bit on the corner of my finger here.
In this area here."
(Shows me the palm up side of his ring finger on the right hand.)
Mike: "Yea, I can see that it's slick where it blistered."
Oscar: "Yea, see. But I do that...I do it every now and then. I
do it and I'm actually burnt before I have the deep down feeling in
my flesh. But top feeling of flesh. I have none! None what so
ever in the top part of my...my flesh!"
Mike: "You're...did you have any of this feeling problems with your
nerves before you had any..."
Oscar: "No! No, I never had that problem at all!"
Mike: "When did you fe...start noticing this loss of feeling?"
Oscar: "In 19 and... Well it`s been in the past three years or four
years that I've noticed this loss of feeling. I lost the feeling...
I...I had this loss of feeling in...in my back here. It's more
prominent in around my spine back here. In this general area than
...than before. (Points to the upper area of the spine in the area
of the First Thoracic Vertebra.) Now I have a degeneration from an
arthritic condition in the bone. But...and I talked to them about
that and he said: `Well you...you shouldn't have...you shouldn't
loose your feelings like that. I even went and had an MRI Scan
(Magnetic Resonance Imaging) because I thought maybe I might...there
might be something that was causing this loss of feeling. But they
didn't find anything with an MRI Scan."
Mike: "They can't...you are a walking enigma to them. They can't
figure out what..."
Oscar: "Well he just looked at me and they...this doctor to me, he
says: `You know, since you don't have any feeling, I wonder why
you're not just paralyzed all over? By all the rules in the book,
you aught to be paralyzed and not be able to move!"
Judy: "That's why I was asking. You didn't act like it bothered
you any!"
Oscar: "I...I don't notice it."
Mike: "Do you have the medical reports on..."
Oscar: "Oh yea! I got it. They call it "_______________________"
but they..."
Mike: "Do you have written papers?"
Oscar: "Oh yea. But they..."
Mike: "Can I see these please?"
Oscar: "Yea. But they don't know...(laughs)...they...after having
all the damn needles stuck in my arms and going through the whole
nine yards, I walked out of there and the guy looked at me and he
says...he just looked at me and he says: `I don't know about you.
I'm...' This Neurologist, he...he just stood and shook his head.
And I almost wanted to laugh at him, but I didn't."
Mike: "You don't have pain in your body then, do you?"
Oscar: "I have an...every now and then I get an electric current
that I feel. It'll run from my head, all the way down to the bottom
of my feet. And I feel this electric charge, but it goes through
and...fttt...out, just like that."
(Makes a sweeping motion with his right hand from the top of
his head through the bottom of his feet and away from himself in a
flicking motion.)
Mike: "Is it painful?"
Oscar: "Very painful! And..."
Mike: "It's quick?"
Oscar: "Yea. And then sometimes when I feel...when I have this
feeling...when I...I take this Amitriptyline to..to kindly...ah...
cut this electric current charges run through my body. I take it,
the Amitriptyline, to kind of shut that down, so I don't notice it
as much. And I don't sleep like you do! I could stay awake around
the clock. An...and I don't have to go to sleep to rest. Strange,
ain't it?" (Chuckles)
Mike: "You rest while you're awake?"
Oscar: (Laughing) "Yea, yea!"
Mike: "How long have you been doing this?"
Oscar: "Oh...I've been doing this ever since that happened to me."
Mike: "Since 1974?"
Oscar: "Yea. I..."
Mike: "Do you still see more and more of the pictures? Do they
continually present them..."
Oscar: "Well, I kindly, over the...over the years, I kinda shut
this thing off, you know. I just kinda turned my mind away from it.
See?"
Mike: "Have you ever at any time, when you'd see these pictures,
tried to sketch out the best you could, what you were seeing? Make
sketches? To write it out in a...in a...a diary type format?"
Oscar: (Inhaling deeply and letting it out with a sigh) "Well,
I...this may sound strange to you, but I have a photographic mind.
I can look at a page and almost remember the whole page."
Mike: "Have you always been this way?"
Oscar: "Well, more so over the past few years."
Mike: "In other words, these are acquired traits?"
Oscar: "Yea. And...and so what happens to me...and Freda says...
OH! She says: `I don'`t know how you can remember all of that.'
When it comes to the Bible, I can almost go through the whole book,
you know. And she says: `How can you remember all those things?'
and I said: `Well Freda, I don't know, but I do.' She can be
reading and I know what that next words gonna be. If she jumps over
it, don't say it right, I'll tell her what it says. She says: `How
did you know it said that?' and I said: `Well, I just know it says
that.'"
Mike: "Photographic memory?"
Oscar: "Yea. So that's how I retain things, but when it comes
to...I can remember things better than I can make my hands do. See?
And...but I'm...I a really...a strange person. Like I said, I felt
like I was absorbed and really taken over by whatever it was that I
came in contact with!"
Mike: "These...this one incident when you were looking at the model
here..." (I hand him the model of the object he constructed)
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "...in 1974, and you said that it felt like the car was
lifted..."
Oscar: "Oh, yea!"
Mike: "...and that you were in a cloud."
Oscar: (Laughs) "I'm setting in a...I kept looking at this
confounded tree setting over there, on the side of the road. I kept
saying to myself: `Well, I'm in a cloud here! I'm in a cloud!'
And I...I kept looking out at the...at the moon. And I thought:
`Boy! That moon surely didn't get that high in the sky.' But this
was after...this was after we were...you...you understand what I'm
trying to say to you? That time element, there! From the time I
was seeing all of these things; eighty minutes of time had elapsed!"
Mike: "Right! That you couldn't account for!"
Oscar: "Couldn't account for!"
Mike: (Snapping my fingers) "Seems like it went just like that!"
Oscar: "It just seemed like it was just a second!"
Mike: "And the moon when you observed it. What direction was the
moon in when you observed it?"
Oscar: "Well, the moon...the moon was just coming up on the rise.
But when I looked back at...at this moon, that moon was setting up
here like this. (Raises arm to about eighty degrees above horizon)
And I got to thinking: `Well, that moon didn't get up there that
fast.' You know? I said: `It just couldn't have got there that
fast.' Because, when we first saw this craft, the moon and the craft
were identical. But then when I looked later, the moon was setting
up over here, and the craft was setting out here like this. (points
to the angle at which each object resided) And I thought: `Dad
gone, that moon surely didn't rise up that fast!'"
Mike: "And you have no memory of anything in between, other than
the cloud?"
Oscar: "No. No. Only six months later, I'm seeing all these
lights flashing off and on in my mind."
Mike: "Here is a book that was...1974. THE UFO EVIDENCE, that was
published by NICAP. Now do you know what NICAP was?"
Oscar: "No!"
Mike: "The NATIONAL INVESTIGATION COMMITTEE ON AERIAL PHENOMENA, in
Washington, D.C."
Oscar: "No."
Mike: "OK. It shows here on page 144, sightings of diagrams of the
most commonly sighted type craft. Do you see anything in there that
resembles any of the things that you've looked at over the period of
time?" (THE UFO EVIDENCE - 1964)
Oscar: "This. This."
Mike: "That's the coin view of...see, each one is a view from
different angles of it."
Oscar: "Yea. And, let me see."
Mike: "Do you want to turn it toward the camera and point it out at
the camera? Just..."
Oscar: "Yea. I've seen this. This one up in the corner, the
diagonal."
Mike: "That's the flat disk." (UFO Shape No. 1 - Flat Disk)
Oscar: "Yea!"
Mike: "In the..."
Oscar: "I've seen this flat disk."
Mike: "View -B-. Right?" (Side view)
Oscar: "I've seen this one...ah...the one that I know. And I've
seen this one here."
Mike: "Alright. That's the triangular shape. Number eight?"
Oscar: "Yea. And I've seen the round one."
Mike: "And you've seen the round spherical disk?" (No. 6.)
Oscar: "Yea. Yea!"
Mike: What about this, the number 10 there? The source, light
source only? It's just a little..."
Oscar: "Oh, yea! Yea!"
Mike: "...down at the...No! Down at the bottom here. See?"
Oscar: "Oh, yea! Yes. This is the one that we...that I see now
quite frequently."
Mike: "OK."
Oscar: "Just the flick-flick, flick-flick, flick-flick."
(Describing the strobe light effect on the UFO)
Mike: "Right. Now I have another series of pictures, and these are
drawings that came from out of China. And see if any of those look
familiar to you. Those particular type drawings that the Chinese
reported frequently."
Oscar: "Yea. This one."
Mike: "Which one is that?~
Oscar: "This one right here."
Mike: That's the...alright, turn that toward the camera also."
Oscar: " Yea. This one."
Mike: "That's...I don't know if we can pick it up over there."
Oscar: "I doubt it, but I'll turn it around like this."
Mike: "There we go."
Oscar: "This one." (Pg.258, UFO'S OVER MODERN CHINA
W. C. Stevens AND Paul Dong @ 1983 Tucson Arizona)
Mike: "The box. That's the one your..."
Oscar: "Yes. This one, and this one here. Just a...and then
there's the ball shaped..."
Mike: "Sphere?"
Oscar: "This with the infrared light around it."
Mike: "Uh-huhhhh...!"
Oscar: "Yea!"
Mike: "Is this one here the one on the first one? The box? Is
this one the one you said...like the platform that you saw on the
edge of outer space?"
Oscar: "I saw...you remember this...you remember this one we just
looked at up in the top there, with the flat platform? That's the
one I saw where the lights were coming in and out of this thing.
And I was looking at that one back toward the north that day. I'm
looking sort of toward the north, I would say North-West, when I saw
that one. And I thought...I stood there and looked at it for almost
thirty minutes. And I thought: `Man.' And this was more in the
daylight than it was in the dark, that I was looking at and saw all
of this."
Mike: "Have you seen anything like this one?"
Oscar: "Now this is the...this is the...I would say...I would say
that I have seen similar to that."
Mike: "That's like the flat one."
Oscar: "Yea. Flat one."
Mike: "Guess I'll show the camera here. It's a flat...it's not a
cigar, really, because it's flat on each end. But it seems to have
a protrusion at the bottom."
Oscar: "Yes."
Mike: "Where things can come out."
Oscar: "Yea. You're getting...you're getting right down to the
nitty gritty!" (Laughs)
Mike: "Here's some better views of it."
Oscar: "Yea. Yep. Yes sir. Yea. I looked at that thing and I...
I saw lights coming in and out of that thing and going and and I
thought to myself: `Why hell, nobody will believe that. Nobody on
this Earth will believe it. This thing has got to be huge, because
you're...you're looking...' I was looking at this platform and I
thought they were really playing tricks with my mind. And I
thought: `Man! Just look at the lights up...lights above it and
around it. Just small little flickering lights.' And they were
coming and going like that." (Reference to a photo of an object on
page 63-67 in the book: UFO Vol. 2, Photographs Around The World;
By: Wendelle C. Stevens and August C. Roberts. Copyright 1985 P.O.
Box 17206 - Tucson, Arizona 85710.)
Mike: "You can show that to the camera as a matter of record too."
Oscar: "Yea!"
Mike: "OK. You might kind of glance through there and see if you
see any other type things that you have...based on these photographs
that people have taken. That's the same page right there."
Oscar: "Now this one here reminds me of...this reminds me of...of
of...of this down here."
Mike: "They're the same series of photographs of the same object.
So you might want to just scan...and he's got line drawings of what
each disk looks like before he ever shows the disk. Any of these
that you saw ever have any markings on them? Like these pictures?"
Oscar: "No. Uh-uh. No. I've seen this one!"
Mike: "The light."
Oscar: "Yea! Just...just a glow. In fact that's what this one
looked like when it came toward me. Just a glow and then when it
got closer, it...I...I really got to see what it looked like. (Pg.
17-19 UFO Photographs Around the World, Vol. 2.)
Mike: "And this is what the glow looks like right here. So even
though you can't tell, he's drawing a photograph before each
photograph of each type, to help explain. There's one that...see
the lights all around it?" (Pg. 52-53 shows picture of Adamski
cigar shaped mother ship and small scout craft. Vol 2)
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "But the...your's apparently didn't look quite like that
one."
Oscar: "Uh-uh."
Mike: "They had the same light type."
Oscar: "But you...can you understand this? That...that they're
able to shut this light off."
Mike: "Just like we would turn a light off."
Oscar: "And...and all you're going to see is a black...a black
shape there. That's all. And we've seen that black shape enough
times to turn our...really turn our attention."
Mike: "See there's your drawing there."
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: A lot of times you were...you touched on the holographic
aspect of it."
Oscar: "Yes."
Mike: "Did...ah...what you see is not really what's there."
Oscar: "If I tried to describe what I saw in the holograph...the
hologram, I'd be hard put to do that, because they...it seems like
to me they directed my mind to it. My mind ran over the whole thing
of it, and I thought...Ohhh!"
Freda: "You know what a hologram looks like?"
Mike: "Well it depends on what it's a hologram of. Oh, you're
talking about the symbol of a hologram!"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "OK. Like the dodecahedron."
Oscar: "Now this...this, if you'll notice in here, this...this...
this thing right in here. You see this, right in here? Shows me a
picture on the front cover of National Geographic Magazine.) That
looks like a...it sort of looks triangle shaped with a cloud. But
here's another...Oh! There's one other thing I remembered one night
..."
Freda: "There's a hologram."
Mike: "This?"
Oscar: "Just hold it up to the light."
Freda: "You got to hold it right."
Oscar: "Put it into the light. Turn it around. Oh no, you can't
see it there."
Mike: "Uh-uh. I can just make out marks, but that's about all I
can see."
Freda: "Here. There! You've got the right color there."
Mike: "Yea! Right! It's like a three dimensional image."
Freda: "Cause I'm bending the..."
Oscar: "That`s...that's three dimensional."
Mike: "Right!"
Oscar: "See. I was looking at a three dimensional image."
Mike: "The color's on the bottom..."
Freda: "Now, I think we will find that too, if we bend it."
Mike: "Now that's suppose to be the Earth. Yea! There you go."
Freda: "We will bend it."
Mike: "Right! It's a three dimensional...this is a hologram."
Oscar: "Yea. It's a hologram."
Mike: "But is this the..."
Oscar: "Do you know how that's put on there? It's put on with a
laser."
Mike: "Yea. I've seen them do it on T.V."
Oscar: "Yea. It doesn't exist. They're...they're..."
Mike: (To Judy) "Did you see it?"
Oscar: "They're making things out there of a hologram."
Mike: "Bend it to get the light to hit it."
Judy: "I see it."
Mike: "These pictures are very vague. They're small, they're not
blown up and they're hard to see."
Oscar: "Yea. I...looking at some of these..."
Mike: "But your hologram, what was it of? The one they showed
you?"
Oscar: (Laughing) "Oh alright. When I...when I think about what
they did to my eyes that night, I almost turned...I almost turned
green with envy. They made me see things that if I a...I couldn't
ever describe what went on. What they made me see."
Mike: "If you can do...I know our scientists can use holograms now
to project...they use holograms to project a false image of me to
another part of the room, and people won't know the difference."
Oscar: "Oh yea! That's right."
Mike: "Because of light. All it is, is the focus of light."
Oscar: "This is...this...I've seen that UFO this way. This way.
This way. And that way!" (Indicates different shapes)
Mike: "That's a good example of their force fields. How they...
how they can show them."
Oscar: "Yea. That's right. And this."
Mike: "Did you ever see one like this that had the spiral of lights
like that?" (Pg. 258 UFO over China)
Oscar: "No. I haven't. Uh-Uh. No!"
Mike: "OK. Now, I have another book here which I've saved, that
we'll get into. And these pictures are in color."
(UFO...CONTACT FROM THE PLEADIES...Vol. 1. Picture Book.
(Revised edition) Copyright 1980 by Genesis lll Publishing.
Phoenix, Arizona)
Oscar: "Yea!"
Mike: "And..."
Freda: "There Oscar! Right on the front door. Looks like yours!"
Mike: (Pointing to picture taped inside front cover) "There I was
in high school. I built this rocked back in high school out of
carpet containers and wrapped it in aluminum foil, for our prom."
Oscar: "You did?"
Mike: "Uh-huh. Yes. And here is the tree effect." (Showing
Oscar Sun Ship picture of Meier Case.)
Oscar: "...Ah...you see..."
Mike: "Parked by the tree."
Oscar: "The one that I saw was more out in the open, like this. I
...I was using this tree to sight by. But the U...the UFO was over
in this area like that."
(Makes hand jester to show that the UFO he saw in Jackson,
Tenn. in 1972, was in front of the tree, near the ground.)
Mike: "But this one is supposedly pulled up from the tree and
parked."
Oscar: "Yea...well! Now you remember I told you about this...ah...
you remember I told you about this UFO that came to that tree every
night? It was just a round sphere, and that thing would come there
and...and hover over the top of that tree. In fact, it would hover
right over the top of it and it...and when it...and it...these
electric sparks just seem like they came out from all around. Huh?
Mike: (Oscar continues to look through the picture book Number One
of the Meier Photo's)
"The little dipper type thing you was talking about?" (Pointing
to photograph of Pleadies Star System.)
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "That's the Pleadies Constellation."
Oscar: "The Pleadies?"
Mike: "And this is...this is where he claims...this man claims that
this group comes from, this one here. There's the Hyades over
there. Like the goat (devil) Hyades."
Oscar: "Yea. Un-huh."
Mike: "And then the Taurus section of the sky."
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "There's this...and it goes on out of course."
Oscar: "How many light years is that away from us?"
Mike: "He claims 500 light years."
Oscar: "500 Light Years? That's...that's enough isn't it?"
Mike: "Right, I'd say so."
Oscar: "Sure."
Mike: "I could make the jump in a minute or two I think."
(Laughing)
Oscar: (Laughing) "Yeeees." (Laughing continues)
Mike: "A person...one thing I learned early is...is a person has to
have a sense of humor to go along with an open mind."
Oscar: "Yea. I always...I've got a..."
Freda: "Yea. To keep from getting frightened over it."
Oscar: "I gotta...I almost gotta laugh too, but I...you know, like
I said for years after I saw this thing. I looked for answers, and
the more I looked, the further away the answer got from me. So the
answer is, there is no answer. See? That's the answer."
Mike: "For us."
Oscar: "For us!"
Freda: "What was it that one told you? That you had no time? Time
meant nothing!"
Oscar: "Oh Yea! I...I remember...ah...I remember talking and they
said: `What time have you got?' And I remember glancing down at my
watch like this and I said; I was giving them the time and he...and
he turned around and looked...and he...(indicates that the ET looked
at him and held his hand out toward him as if to say: `Stop!')...
like that, and he said: `You don't even know what...' he said: `I
can see that you know little or nothing about time!' So...ah..."
Mike: "Now would you explain in...in detail, because that's...ah...
you're saying: `He turned around.' Like there's a physical person
standing in front of you!"
Oscar: "Yea! And...well there was...there was more than one!
There was one here (points to his left), one over there (in front of
him), and one there!" (points to his right. Three in a row spaced
out some.)
Mike: "Will you go back to the beginning of this story and start at
the beginning?"
Oscar: "I remember this white room that I was in. And I was about
...I wanted to get into Evansville real bad, because I had...I
wanted to drive back down into Tennessee and I kept saying: `I
don't have any...I don't have any time.' In fact, I was really
trying to push them that night to get back to Evansville, because I
didn't...like I had any time."
Mike: "These are the people that you think abducted you?"
Oscar: "Yea! And I kept saying: `I don't have time! I don't have
time!' And...ah...finally he says: `Well, what time is it?' And I
look...looked and I sa...was quoting the time. And I remembered
saying...I remember them saying to me: `Well, you don't even know
anything about time at all!' And I felt so damn stupid! I felt
absolutely stupid! And I kept looking at this...I kept looking at
this panel. I thought I was looking at a panel and a thing just
kept moving so fast. I think they were...I think they were doing
something with my mind!"
Mike: "Did they put any kind of devices on you?"
Oscar: "Ahhh..."
Mike: "Attach anything to your body? Did they have any kind of
mechanical mechanism that they brought around and scanned you with?
Or something of this nature?"
Oscar: (Thinking, trying to remember. Long pause.)
Mike: "Don't be afraid to talk to me, because I know from where
you're coming, from dealing with other people who have...even though
I myself don't have any conscious memory doing this, I've dealt with
other people who have. So don't be afraid to say...unless they're
trying to blank you out."
Oscar: "That's where...that's where everything comes to...a point."
Mike: "Do you think this is...that...you...ah...get so excited when
you first start talking about it. And then when I ask you a certain
question, it's almost like the look on your face...just like you
almost went blank."
Oscar: "That's the part I can't remember."
Mike: "You remember these beings. Right?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "What do they look like?"
Oscar: "Well, ah..."
Mike: "Height? Weight? You know, the color of skin texture?"
Oscar: "These...ah...that I remember looking at, they had metallic
suits on."
Mike: "What color was...what color metallic? Were they white?
Silver?"
Oscar: "They were sort of white metallic and I really wanted to get
away from them. I thought: `Well, I really got to get out of here.
I got to...I got to get back into Evansville!' And he kept...and he
kept saying to me: `Well you're...you're...ah...what time do you
want it to be?' And I said: `Well, I don't want it to be a certain
time.' And they said: `What time is it?' And when I told them
what time it was, they said: `Well, you don't know anything about
time at all!' And I realized the next day what they were really
saying to me, because I lost all sense of time. And when I got back
into Evansville, I thought the time that I wanted it to be, and the
time it was didn't make any difference, because I wasn't going
anywhere anyway! See? Strange ain't it?"
Mike: "In other words...we...we had been ingrained in the
importance of being certain places at certain intervals?"
Oscar: "Yea. There's really no...ah...to them time didn't mean
anything, and they weren't going the same place I wanted to go
anyway. So they didn't really...they pointed out to me that it
didn't really make any difference."
Mike: "What...it...sounds like they're saying to you, and you can
tell me if I'm right or wrong here is: Why rush? Just take every
thing at a progressive...don't have any destination in mind."
Oscar: "Yea. I think that's...I think that's exactly what they
were trying to convey to me."
Mike: "And we as a generation here, people on this Earth, set goals
from point A to point B, and so much...schedule to get there."
Oscar: "Well, I think that...I think what they were trying to say
to me was that you operate on a...on a different time schedule than
we operate on. And so time shouldn't be the all important thing.
My watch wasn't running anyway, so it really wasn't going anywhere."
Mike: "Describe the...if you would the facial features of these...
any of these beings."
Oscar: "They were very thin. In fact I...their faces are...ah...
the upper part of their face is a lot larger than ours. They have
no...in fact with...the suits that they wore were up over their...up
over the top of them. Their eyes are rather...their eyes are the
kind of eyes that just look right straight through you! In fact
they look at you like you're really not there!"
Mike: "What was the shape of their eyes?"
Oscar: "Their eyes are...were round and up, like this." (Makes out
side corners slant up and wrap around the head.)
Mike: "Slanted?"
Oscar: "Yes."
Mike: "Oriental type?"
Oscar: "Up! Yea."
Mike: "Did they have any pupils in them?"
Oscar: "No. Not...not that I could see."
Mike: "What was the color of them?"
Oscar: "If I looked in them, I would have to say they were dark and
sort of...real glassy looking. Like they were just set!"
Mike: "In other words, there was no movement to their eyes?"
Oscar: "No."
Mike: "Their eye was a fixed eye, in a certain place? Now do you
think this was actually their eye, or was this some kind of outer
protective part of their eye?"
Oscar: "No. I've...I had to wonder about that, because none of it
...none of it seemed real to me at the time."
Mike: "Ok. This is not a very good...gonna be very good, but..."
(I make a drawing of typical small, thin, big eyed, gray ET.)
Oscar: "Yea! You've got it!"
Mike: "Ok. And say just a slit...like that? Is that the way they
looked?"
Oscar: "Yea!"
Mike: "There was no lips? No nose? No ears?"
Oscar: "Uh-Uh."
Mike: "And then their bodies were just...little thin necks?"
Oscar: (Laughs) "Yea. They looked like they'd be absolutely
powerless against somebody like me. But...ah..."
Mike: (Interjects) "Very strong!"
Oscar: "They didn't look very strong. But they...I wasn't able to
life my arms up."
Judy: "They did that with their head." (Laughs)
Oscar: "Huh? I couldn't..."
Judy: "They did that...worked on your head."
Oscar: "I couldn't lift my arms up. I was just more...motionless
than anything else. I felt absolutely at their mercy!"
Mike: "In all these, the eyes are really...rather black weren't
they?"
Oscar: "They were dark."
Mike: "Dark color, but you couldn't detect any motion or emotion?"
Oscar: "It seem...wherever their head...it seemed where...when they
turned their head, whatever they turned, their eyes went right along
with them. Do you know what I'm trying to say to you? There wasn't
any...ah...they didn't look to the right or to the left like we do,
and they don't turn their eyes to see what they want to see, they...
their...they...it's just fixed and their...you look at them and
they`re looking right straight through you! (Looks at my drawing)
Yes!"
Mike: "Is that the proper angle or were they more of a flatter..."
Oscar: "Yes. Uh-huh. That's it!"
Freda: "Skinny chin."
Mike: "Yea. And how tall were they, would you say?"
Oscar: "I...the ones I would say...I would say they were
approximately five feet tall. Or...or...no more than five feet
tall."
Mike: "Did they have normal hands on their body?"
Oscar: "No! Their hands were longer!"
Judy: "Were you always in your car when this happened to you?"
Oscar: "No. They weren't in the car. I wasn't in the car either.
I don't re...ever remember being out of the car. I don't know. I
do know that this car, this station wagon...I saw it about three
weeks after that, and all the paint had rolled up on the outside of
it. I mean just pealed right off! Yea. Uh-huh."
Mike: "The hands look real...more fing...all fingers nearly?"
Oscar: "Yea. Yea."
Mike: "Like they were real long? Three of them maybe? Or four of
them? No thumbs?"
Oscar: "I couldn't...I just remember the..."
Mike: "Was there any webb...say a webbing?"
Oscar: "I'm not sure."
Mike: "Give an effect like this?"
Oscar: "I'm not sure. I wasn't...I was only looking at the eyes!
And...ah...and..."
Mike: "They sort of transfixed you? The eyes did?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "Were there little guys as well?"
Oscar: "I was sitting there looking at them and I thought...and I
kept saying: `You got to let me go! You got to let me go!' And I
thought they weren't going to let me do. That's the whole thing.
Because I couldn't have went, you know. And...and...I think these
people that were with me, I don't think they even bothered with them
at all. I'm not sure where they did or not. This big old fellow
was driving the station wagon. He...more like this." (Makes
reference to picture I was drawing)
Mike: "Like this one without the webbs?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "About this size hands?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "Ok. It follows the scenario. Did they...did you see any
features within the ship itself?"
Oscar: "I kept...I...I...as I said, I kept looking at this panel
that I was looking at. I kept...I kept thinking: `Boy you're
really feeding me a lot of stuff, and I can't absorb all of this
stuff that's going...just moving.' It was moving so fast through...
through this up here, that I couldn't...I just thought: `I'll
retain all of this. And I don't even know why you're...why you're
doing this in the first place!' See? I still don't know why they
did it."
Mike: "They didn't...they didn't answer any questions?"
Oscar: "No."
Mike: "They ask you questions, but they didn't give you any
answers."
Oscar: "Not too many. They weren't there to give out answers."
Mike: "Right. They were there to get answers!"
Oscar: "Yea! They were really looking me over and...and they
called me by name, and I think that's the thing that really got me
more than anything else. I thought: `How in the world would you
know my name?"
Mike: "They...if they are like this, they more than likely, came
from a star system called Zeta Reticula. It's a double star
system."
Oscar: "You know, I had the occasion to set my telescope up and
look at that particular star that sort of wobbles in the sky. And
it wob...it wobbles like this (makes a wobbling motion with his
hand) and I was always called...I...it...when I was down in
Tennessee, I always looked out and I was...my attention was always
called to that wobbly star in the sky. Looks like it's just all
around...moving like this all the time. But it...it...it's so far
away."
Mike: "Ok. You...ah...when you were in Tennessee, you saw this
large circular object over the road."
Oscar: "Ohhh!"
Mike: "And then in time you wound up on a back road somewhere?"
Oscar: "Yea!...ah..."
Mike: "How much time became missing there?"
Oscar: "I don't know! Freda, I can't tell. Could you tell?"
Freda: "Uh-Uh. No!"
Oscar: "No. I couldn't tell."
Freda: "We were just...ah...we looked at each other and we were
both kind of confused and he said: `I can't ever remember turning
off of that main road. Can you?' And here we was on this side
road. We had made a turn around, complete turn around. And we was
driving slow and he says: `Well. I don't even know where to go to
find out how to get back.'"
Oscar: "I kept looking at...she kept following this glow in the
sky, and I kept following it too. And I...I said: `Freda, they're
making a complete circle around us!' And she said: `They are at
that, aren't they?' And I said: `Yea. They're making a complete
ci...let's don't get shook up about this!'"
Mike: "What were the weather conditions on this night?"
Oscar: "I'eee..."
Freda: "Now that...when we saw that, it was clear. It wasn't a
clear night, but it was a good night. It was...ah...it..."
Mike: "Was it Winter? Summer?"
Freda: " No. It was Summer."
Mike: "The temperature, would you say?"
Freda: "I'd say 60. Somewhere in that area."
Mike: "And it wasn't stormy? It was partly cloudy you say."
Freda: "No."
Mike: "Now clear..."
Freda: "And...and that...that light just..."
Mike: "How large did this light..."
Freda: "He said: `Hey! Look! Look!' The way it looked like...
it was this big to us."
Oscar: "Ohhh god! It covered the...the brightness of it...it just
lit up the whole sky. And I said: `I wonder if anybody's looking
at this like we are?'"
Freda: "Then...then when we finally got straightened out was...ah
...when a car came down the highway. And then it went out."
Mike: "Ok. Now you say that it appeared..."
Freda: "It appeared to be...just like that and it...it just moved
and I said: `Look! Look! Look Oscar!"
Mike: "About the size of a large basketball to you?"
Oscar: "It was larger than that!" (Laughs)
Freda: "Oh yea. Yea it was."
Oscar: "It...it lit up the whole...it lit up the whole terrain all
the way around it. Oh. It was...it wasn't close to us at all. It
...it was just going...making a sweep like that." (Makes a 360
degree circular sweep with his arm above his head)
Mike: "But yet it appeared huge."
Oscar: "It was huge!"
Freda: "It appeared...it appeared to us to be pretty big and it
appeared to be...well, you know how you've seen the moon sometimes,
pretty big? You know?"
Mike: "How...If you could hold...put your hands around it, just to
measure..."
Oscar: (Chuckles) "I couldn't do it. I couldn't..."
Mike: "From where you were, could you have got your hands around
either side of it?"
Oscar: "Uh-uh. No."
Mike: "Top or bottom?"
Oscar: "No. No."
Mike: "And it was just a light?"
Oscar: "Just a great big glowing light that went from this way
around us all the way around to..." (moves hand in a clockwise
direction)
Mike: "Was it within a mile of you?"
Freda: "Oh, I think it was further than that away."
Mike: "Five miles? Ten miles?"
Freda: "It sounds more like five miles. I think..."
Mike: "And it made a complete...you're in a little car down here,
and this thing is ten miles away making a humongus circle that would
color...cover a ten to twenty mile arc all the way around. Is that
what you're saying?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Freda: There wasn't no other traffic. It was at night time. There
weren't no other traffic on that road!"
Mike: "And where was this located?"
Oscar: "We were coming out of...ahhh...Ohhh, what is that...what is
that town in...ah..."
Freda: "It was in Tennessee."
Oscar: "Yea. We...it's right where the...what is that little town
there Freda?"
Freda: "Humbolt?"
Oscar: "No. Ohhh, no, no, no! The make...they use to make suits
there in this...in this little town."
Freda: "Ohhh."
Oscar: "I can't think of the name of it."
Freda: "It won't come to me."
Oscar: "No. I...in fact I've got one in there hanging up in the
closet that came from that place."
Freda: "It...it was a unusual feeling with...especially with me.
And you know, well...don't get excited...just be cool...you're
alright."
Mike: "Did the light shine in the car?"
Oscar: "Oh yea! The light...we could look...you could see the
brightness of the light. It Just..."
Freda: "It was a bright light."
Oscar: "Yea. I said: `Hey Freda, they're up there!' (Laughs)
Freda looked at me and said: `They are?' I said: `You better
believe they're up there!' I said: `They're going to...doing a
number on us right now."
Freda: "See, it was him that was driving and...and I said: `Look,
look!' And that...on across in front of us...man I turned all the
way around in the front seat and I just kept following it and
following it. And he got...he got almost back to where he was
and..."
Oscar: "I'll tell you where I was really afraid they were going to
grab us. When we were coming down...down the...coming down the
Purchase, there to the...to the Western Kentucky Parkway. That's
where I thought...in between the Purchase and the Parkway is where
they're really going to put the...put the stop on us. I...that
certain hill there along where that Purchase is. This time we got
along there and I didn't...you know, the motor didn't stop or slow
or nothing!"
Mike: "How many times have you had the automobile engine stop on
you?"
Oscar: "Well, two times that I know of, and that was up...that's
the time it happened up there..."
Freda: "We came to a complete stop and then we looked around and
turned around and came back."
Oscar: "And the next time that happened I was by myself coming down
that Purchase there that night. And the car motor stopped and I
kept seeing this light off up there and I said: `Dad-gone-it, I'm
not going to let that happen to me tonight. I'm not going to let it
happen!' But I don't know, I...I think it happened anyway and I
didn't have anything to say about it, because it got dark again just
like before on me."
Mike: "So, you feel that humans are totally defenseless against
these beings?"
Oscar: "Yea, they are!"
Freda: "Oh! He made a remark...what was it you made a remark one
time? You made a remark about: `Well they could take care of
armies,' or something."
Oscar: "Oh, I...yea. I made this statement. I was...like I said,
I was talking to this psychiatrist, you know? And I was explaining
this to him, you know. And I said: `You know, if they wanted
to, they could shut down armies.' I said: `There wouldn't be one
thing on this Earth that would move...that's mechanical...to make
war. If they want to shut it down, it'll stop! It'll cease!'"
Mike: "Who was this Psychiatrist?"
Oscar: "He's a V.A. Psychologist that I talked to. And he said...
he told me: `Don't talk about this to anybody, because they'll want
to put you down on the funny farm!'"
Freda: "Oh yea, you really...he really encouraged us to knock it
off!"
Oscar: "So...yea. He..."
Mike: "Would it be possible for me to get his name and phone number
from you?"
Oscar: (Laughs)
Mike: "Can you...this is the purpose of the investigation...is to
corroborate evidence."
Freda: "I don't think he'd be too happy about it, do you?"
Oscar: "I don't think he'd be too happy at all about it. You know,
he wouldn't want to be...in fact he was so adamant about me talking
about this it wasn't even funny. He said: `Just don't talk about
it.' He said: `Because it makes you look rather odd.' And I
thought...sitting in that chair, I thought how odd I'd look."
Freda: "Well, he didn't believe it!"
Oscar: "I thought how odd I really was anyway, you know? But..."
Freda: "Oscar! Don't you think I've said to much?"
Oscar: "I understood...I understood what his feelings were, and I
knew where he was coming from."
Mike: "He was scared. Wasn't he?"
Oscar: "Well. (pause) You see...here is a man who has taken up
Psychology, psychiatric things and I...of course I've...I've read
this lady psychologist, Cathy Horney and...how did the book go?
Psycholo...psychiatry and neurosis...and there are so many different
types of neurosis...in this book. And I...and I was reading in
there and I was trying to find out if any of those patterns of
neurosis really fitted me. And the more I read, the more I realized
that there wasn't any pattern there or any particular pattern that
would fit me. There just wasn't any there. So, I just...I just
more or less did a ninety-nine away from all of that. And then I
decided a few years ago when..."
Freda: "He said: `Well maybe they would try to put me in a funny
farm.'"
Oscar: "Well...I don't...I decided a few years ago when they...that
nobody would really be interested in...in knowing about this. I
just more or less...we just put this (the UFO model he had made) in
the closet and I forgot about it for how many years Freda, did I
forget...forget this?"
Freda: "Oh, last three or four years when...you've been real busy."
Mike: (I then showed Oscar and Freda Jordan excerpts of about ten
minutes from the "Meier Chronicles" and Oscar said he had seen some
of the same movements and displays of anomalous activity himself.)
------------------------
This concludes the preliminary interview. Since then I have
continued to visit with Oscar and Freda Jordan on numerous
occasions. He continually tells the same story. I feel he has not
told us anywhere near all of what happened to him during his April,
1973 abduction. I hope that at a future time he will open up to me
and share all that he remembers. We have introduced Oscar to a
hypnotist, but at this time he does not have the trust necessary to
allow those events stored in his subconscious to come to the
conscious level.
Oscar does not think that the average human has the necessary
discernment to comprehend the true facts here. He feels the truth
would simply confuse and frighten the majority of humanity. Oscar
is not concerned about the future of the Earth, as a planet, being
destroyed. He feels these Beings who appear in our sky's are in
total control of the major events which take place on this Earth.
He does not think they will sit idly by and let us destroy this
beautiful planet in a nuclear holocaust. As he says: "They could
shut down anything on this Earth that would move...that's mechanical
...to make war. If they want to shut it down, it'll stop! It'll
cease!"
If that is the case, if there are Beings who care enough about
the Earth and/or its inhabitants, or both, then maybe there is a
future for us after all.
This is not the end of Oscar's story, it's only the beginning.
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Subject: CONTACT: Oscar Jordan case Part 1
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The following file(s) are a UFO case that MUFON investigator Mike
Christol has worked on.
------Oscar Jordon Story Part 1 -----------------------------------
INTRODUCTION
In April, 1973, a station wagon containing six people was en-
route to Evansville, Ind. They were approaching the small town of
Daylight, on Hwy 57, about five miles North of Evansville. The moon
was rising slowly above the horizon and the six people were engaged
in conversation. They were returning from Oakland City and
Eberfield, Ind., where they had spent the day selling for the Kirby
Vacuum Cleaner Company.
As the brown station wagon rolled effortlessly along the
highway the driver suddenly noticed a pulsating light traveling in
their direction. The object was just above the moon as it
approached their location. The chatter and intensity increased as
the object drew nearer and nearer to the car. "Do you see that?
What is that? What are we looking at? Oh God! I don't believe
what I'm looking at!" These are just some of the comments made as
the six men and women strained to get a better view of this large
object approaching their car at no more than one hundred feet above
the ground.
Oscar Jordan turned to the lady on his right, and said: "Did
you see that? Did you see that?" As she responded to him she began
to hold her stomach and lean over in the seat beside him. "I'm sick
at my stomach," she replied as Oscar rolled down the window on the
driver's side of the car in the back seat. "I really want to see
what this thing looks like," said Oscar as he pulled himself up into
the window to get a better view of this tremendous, glowing, object
moving slowly to a position directly above the now parked station
wagon.
Oscar seated himself in the car and noticed that everyone else
had passed out. He also began to feel a strange sensation and the
"lights just went completely out"...
This is the climax to a bizarre series of events which began in
October, 1972 in rural Tennessee and culminated in early April, 1973
at Daylight, Indiana, in what will come to be known as the ULTIMATE
INCIDENT, AT DAYLIGHT. The six people in this case have since gone
in different directions, and as of this writing have not been
located, with the exception of Oscar Jordan.
BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH
On July 29, 1980 Oscar Jordan, married his second wife, Freda
Ditch and lived at 1150 South Dexter Ave. in Evansville, Ind. He
retired from sales and in 1981, purchased an R.V. with which he and
Freda traveled extensively for the next five years. Their travels
took them from Florida to Canada, to Alaska. In 1986 they returned
to Evansville and finally settled at their present location in
November, 1988.
Oscar was born in Henderson, Kentucky, during the Prohibition
era, on March 28, 1924. He left Henderson in 1938 and moved to
Memphis, Tennessee. There for only a year, he returned to
Evansville in 1939 and joined the CIVILIAN CONSERVATION CORP, or the
C.C.C and worked in Idaho for a year. He returned to Henderson in
1940 and enlisted in the army in December, 1941. After thirty four
months of service he was discharged on October 27, 1944 and moved to
Detroit Michigan.
While living in Detroit, Oscar worked for the Chris Craft Corp.
in Algonac, Michigan and in 1946 returned to Evansville, where he
worked for about six months painting houses. Finally, in 1946,
Oscar was employed by the P.A. Garr Co. which made and sold Electro
Hygene Sweepers. In 1953 Oscar took a position in sales with the
Kirby Vacuum Company and worked until his retirement in 1962.
After retirement, Oscar moved to Sarasota, Florida and lived
for eight years, until moving to a rural area near Humbolt,
Tennessee, in 1970.
It was at this time, that Oscar began to become aware of the
UFO phenomena. In October, of 1972, Oscar and nine other people
witnessed a large sphere move in straight lines and hover near his
home. On one occasion one of the witnesses was an Air Force
officer.
In October of 1973, seven months after the Daylight incident,
Oscar moved to Waverly, Kentucky and remained there until moving to
Evansville in 1980.
The years between 1972 and 1984 have been filled with many
unusual and in some cases frightening experiences for Oscar Jordan.
His is but one of the growing number of cases in which average
people from all walks of life continue to report sighting UFO's and
having missing time, only to find out later by various methods that
they may have become what is now referred to as an "ABDUCTEE!"
Now for the story as Oscar lived it. In his own words, as
related to me. I now relate this amazing story to you. Welcome to
the ULTIMATE INCIDENT, AT DAYLIGHT!
INVESTIGATORS NOTE
Those who read this investigative report of the UFO
experiences of Oscar Jordan will notice that throughout the
dialogue, Oscar refers to the incident which occurred at
Daylight, Indiana, to have occurred in April 1974. Upon
review of his biographical history, from birth to the time of
this interview, we discovered that the event actually
occurred one year earlier, during the great 1973 UFO flap.
Please keep this in mind when reading this report.
Michael Christol
Investigator
--------Cont in Oscar Jordon Part 2 --------------------------
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Subject: CONTACT: Oscar Jordan case Part 2
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THE OSCAR JORDAN CASE
On January 28, l989, my wife Judy and I, Michael W. Christol,
conducted the following interview at the home of Oscar and Freda
Jordan.
I became aware of this case after seeing Mr. Jordan on a T.V.
News program, on Channel 25, WEHT, Evansville Indiana.
[ Don's Note: Mike had put Oscar's address and tel# here, but I've
deleted it both as a courtesy to Oscar and Mike ].
Michael Christol: "Mr. Jordan, would you tell me about your
experiences with UFO's, from the first sighting to the latest?"
Oscar Jordan: "The first time that I saw a strange light in the sky
took place in 1972. It was about between 7:30 and a quarter to 8:00
in the afternoon, in the fall of the year. In fact it was in the
first part of October, and there was a lady who worked for the power
and light company over at Alamo, Tennessee, who had seen a strange
craft in the sky which she described as a football with a light just
under the bottom part of this football thing that she had seen. And
of course at that time I thought that anybody who said that they saw
something in the sky was a...ah...absolutely a nut. In fact that
night we were looking at Startrek, and I said to one of them that
was sitting there with me, I said: `I think I had better get up and
see if I can see what all of these nuts are looking at, or at least
claim that they're looking at in the sky.' So, I got up and went to
the recreation room at the back part of the house and I was looking
out the window, and I was really looking toward the South, toward
Jackson, Tennessee. And all at once I see this pulsating light
above the tree. It was infrared in color and I looked at it and
this light was whirling around in the bottom of this thing and I
didn't actually see any kind of a craft or anything like that. It
was just a pulsating light. So as I was looking at this light, it
went right...followed the line of trees all the way down toward...
going in toward Jackson, Tennessee, which was about 9 miles from...
ah...into Jackson. And I watched this light go around in a circle
from South to East. In fact it was moving at such a tremendous
speed that it was just really phenomenal to look at. So when this
light stopped, it didn't stop as, as in any manner that I was
accustomed to looking at, it just came to a...it just came to a
stop, and it stopped! And it wobbled. I noticed it wobbled a
little bit up there, and I thought: `Well that thing is actually
wobbling like it's going around and around.' And all at once it
leveled off like that (makes hand gestures to describe the objects
motion), settled above the trees to the East of us, and there was 9
people looking at this thing. And the light was so bright that you
could have actually read a newspaper out there. And while I was
looking at this light, I spoke out and said: `You know if they
wanted to, they...they could destroy everything that there is around
here.' And it was at that time that I heard this little buzzing
sound in my ear. And I heard a voice say to me: `You have nothing
to fear.' So, and that time I had a warm glow pass throughout the
whole of my body, which was...I really felt comfortable and at ease.
I didn't feel like I had anything to fear. But anyway, while we
were looking at this craft, or whatever this was in the sky that we
were looking at that time, I ask somebody, I said: `Did you all
hear anything?' And they said: `No, we didn't hear anything.' And
I thought: `Well that's strange.' I wasn't really...I just felt
strange all over. So any-way, I kept looking into the light of this
thing and I said to them, I said: `They are getting ready to go.
They are getting ready to move.' And the light in the bottom of
this thing began to oscillate (makes a circular motion with hand).
I could tell that it was picking up in oscillating. And it moved
from the East to the West. And I had a pair of binoculars that I
was looking at this craft through. And as it went over I could see
that it was metallic in nature and it was far different from the
craft that I later saw in, in 19 and 74. But after I had this
experience with this craft, I use to look out the windows of the
back windows at night, around between 7:30 and 8:30 in the night.
And I use to watch these infrared spheres come along and approach a
line of trees. When they got to the line of of trees they would
stop, go above the tree, and come down on the other side of the tree
(makes motion to match description with hand). And I would say that
these infrared spheres were not but about maybe 5 or 6 feet off the
ground. And I thought: `Well I'm going to go and really get a
closer look at these infrared spheres.' I was really warned not to
go near them, because had I gone near them, I was told that...that
would...I would li...be literally absorbed by this. That it was
really dangerous for me to do that. So I...I...I did not go near
this infrared light that was traveling over the surface of the
ground, down there. And I've seen it night after night, this round
ball (gestures with hands to make a ball)...infrared ball. And one
night I had the occasion to watch this ball come out of the East.
And it came to a certain tree and it hovered above this certain
tree. And while it was above this tree, it emitted sparks of
electricity down on this tree. And I thought: `Boy, if that ain't
something.' And I never did have my little box camera where I could
get a picture of the thing. In fact, I wasn't prepared to do so.
And, so that went on for about..Oh, I'd say up until about
December, about the 25th day of December."
"The 25th day of December I've always had the occasion to go
out and look and to see if I could see them. And it seems like to
me that they were always there. And I got to the point where I was
able to look at that whirling light in the bottom of it, and I got
to the point where I could tell when they were going to turn, and I
knew what their next move was going to be. And I thought: `How
strange it is to be setting here and looking at this and knowing
exactly what they were going to do next up in the...up in the
stratosphere.' So I made a statement that night when I was looking
into this light that I'd give anything if I could really see what
they really were and know more about the craft."
"I...ah...after that period of time we moved away from
Tennessee, and I decided that I was wanting to get back into some
selling again, so I came to Evansville. I still lived in Tennessee
at that...and I came to Evansville and was working out of an office
down here in Evansville (Oscar worked for Kirby Vacuum Cleaner
sales). I and six other people had made a trip up to Oakland City,
Indiana, and we were on our way back from Oakland City and I came
out of this little town of Oakland City and went down to Eberfield,
Indiana. And we had worked there for maybe about an hour, and we
decided that we were going on into Evansville. As we were coming 57
(Hwy) the driver of the station wagon noticed this pulsating light
off...coming from the South-East toward us. And I said: `Do you
see that bright light up there?' I said: `It's pulsating and
coming in our direction.' I said: `I believe it's one of them.'
And it came right straight toward the car and stopped about 300 feet
away from us and about 100 feet up in the sky. It was at that time
that I said: `Well, I really want to see what this thing looks like
and I'm going to roll the window down and pull myself out so I can
really get a look at it.' I said to this lady that was sitting next
to me in the car. I said: `Did you see that? Did you see that?'
And she said: `I'm sick at my stomach.' And as I rolled the window
down, I pulled myself up out of the...the...over...put my hand on
the top part of the car and pulled myself out to really get a real
look at this thing. And I thought: `Oh my God, I don't believe
what I'm looking at here!' The bottom of this craft had a
transparent cover over a recessed light that set in a...in a cone
shaped thing in the front with a...coming to a triangle in the back.
And then on this outer edge of this craft, I could tell that this
part actually was co...connected with this craft in the bottom. But
from that point back, the bottom of this thing pulsated an electrum
heat that covered the whole circumference of this craft on the
outside. It seemed to be enveloped in a...what I would call an
electrum light around the whole outside of it. It was about 60 feet
across in diameter. It made no sound. The only thing that I
noticed about it was that it had this window in the front. And that
wind...that part of it was, was just as light...ah...white on the
inside, I thought. I sit back down in the car because I felt this
heat on my arm and it was getting to the point where I couldn't
stand it any more. So I sit back down in my seat and I looked over
at this lady that was sitting there and by that time I realized that
this lady was literally...her head had dropped to the side. And I
looked around in the car and I thought: `Well I'm the only one in
this car that's really conscious about what the heck's going on
here.' So I thought: `Well I'm going to take another look at it.'
So I, this time when I pulled myself back and looked out the window,
the craft was sitting right over the top of the car. And I...seems
like to me the lights just went completely out, and that's the last
thing I remember. I do realize that when the time I came back
around again, I was looking at this thing in the sky, and it...it
had gone up about...it had moved and the movement of it was so fast
that I couldn't detect the movement of it. But it went right
straight up about 1000 feet and just got small in the sky. And I
kept looking at this and I thought: `Oh my God, I don't believe
this, I really don't believe it.' And my attention was drawn by
another bright light in the sky, off to the South of me. I noticed
that the moon was not in the same place it was I thought a second
ago. I thought: `Well surely the moon didn't move too!' And as I
was looking at this other thing in the sky, it...ah...it was so
unreal that I couldn't even hardly believe what I was looking at
there. Because it had the same electrum around the outside of
that...it was so bright...bright a glow, and it had an infrared
thing in the center of...of that too. I now realized that what I
was now looking at was not really a craft, but I...I honestly
believe it was a hologram that I was looking at adjacent to this
craft that was sitting above me. We...ah... finally people were
back to normal in the car. I was looking out at this and I kept
seeing this light revolve in the bottom of it. It kept getting
brighter and brighter and brighter on the horizon, and as it went
away, it suddenly...ah...the brightness suddenly became a dot on the
horizon going straight North. It moved so fast it was there one
second and the next second it was just gone. And that's how it
happened."
"Now there are other events about this that happened within a
six months period of time. I was laying down one night and all at
once I kept seeing lights flashing off and on and going off and on
and I remember that I was looking at a...a panel on a wall. And
things were going through my mind so fast that I...that I...it
absolutely gave me a headache. And then after that they use to tell
me where they were going to be in the sky. How...what they were
going to be doing and things like that. And I knew later on when
they told me they were going to be in one part of the sky, they were
really there. And I pointed this out to a lot of people at that
time. In fact the Mayor in this one little town...I never will
forget it. The Kentucky State Basketball game was going on and I
was a little reluctant to go down to his house and get him because I
felt I would be taking him away from his national past time. But
anyway, I...I did go down and get him and I brought him up there and
I said: `I want you to take a look at this, because if you don't
see it you won't believe it.' And there was a whole series of
lights flashing in the sky. There was a triangle set of lights that
went across like this, up like this and came back down (Oscar draws
a triangle in the air, which represented the shape of the light
pattern, with his finger). When that sequence of lights would go
off, there was another sequence of lights that came on like this and
went across like this diagonal shape, and then there was a round
circle of lights out here on this end of it. And this...these
lights all came on in sequence and went off in sequence. And I set
up my telescope...ah...spotting scope and I let this fellow who was
the mayor of this town look through this spotting scope. And you
could actually see windows that this light was emanating from. And
I would venture to say that these lights that we were looking at was
really on the fringe of space...that we were looking at...and this,
you could see the metallic color and the glow around this...up
there. And he said: `What in the world are we looking at?' And I
said: `Well, that's a good question.' But while we were looking at
this diagonal shaped one, you could see lights going out and lights
coming back into this thing. There were craft flying...going out of
this and coming back in...into this one. The...ah...later on in...
ah...a few months later there was a storm going on and I happened to
be looking out toward the East, from where I was. And there was a
round shaped object in the sky where the same light oscillated
around and around up there. And many times after that I saw many
lights flashing off and on in the sky. And one night I remember an
old colored fellow, by the name of Chambers, that I had talked to
and pointed out to. So one night, I...this circular one was coming
...coming alone, and I called this colored fellow up and I said:
`Chambers, I want you to take a look out...out and tell me if you
see the same thing that I see.' So he goes and he looks out his
window and he walks out in his yard...comes back in the house and he
says: `There's a circle of lights up there going around and
around.' And I said: `Yea.' And I said: `It's not moving, not
moving hardly at all, it's just hung up there in the sky.' So
Chambers had the occasion to go up to a certain Bar-B-Q place
(Peke's, in Waverly, Ky.) down in this little-o-bitty town that I
lived in. And he pointed this same thing out to a lot of people
that was there, and one of them said: `Well, what is it?' And of
course Chambers knew that they were probably going to make fun of
him for pointing it out to them, and he said: `Maybe it's a
television set up there blinking off and on and going around.' But
anyway, he had his mirror on his truck and he turned his mirror up
on his truck until he got this object in the mirror, and they could
all look in the mirror and see these lights going around and around
on this craft. This craft made its appearance there periodically,
and the night that I saw this large display of lights in the sky, I
was told in 1977 that they would not make themselves visible like
they had before, and not as often. And I've since seen lights in
pairs in triangle shape in pairs of three in the sky. I haven't had
a close encounter with any object like I did in 1974. I did in 1977
make a replica of the craft that I saw in the sky, because I felt
like people really should know what this thing looks like. They
have many different kinds of craft. Different makes and model of
craft in the sky, they are not all the same. And when people see
these craft, it depends on from what angle they are really looking
at this craft. They are really describing what they see, but they
are looking...from whatever angle they are looking at this craft it
makes different kinds of shape in the background. So people are
actually seeing what they see. But they...ah...if you...if they see
it up close it's one of the strangest phenomenons I've ever seen in
my life. We feel like we're the only pe...only thing in this
Universe, and I know that's absolutely not true today. There are
other entities in the world that we don't comprehend, and don't
understand. And when I had my first encounter in 1972, I became so
UFO minded, that I really wanted to search and read about every
piece of UFO literature I could and try to understand what was going
on. I read many things about what's happened to many different
people throughout the United States and around about the whole
world. We laugh at these individuals and we make fun, but this is
not a laughing matter. There is things happening in the world that
we don't comprehend or understand. Wherever they are from, I don't
know. I don't think anybody else does. But none the less, they do
exist. We...ah...we need to really try to understand more about
this. I don't believe it's in the realm of man to understand this
until they really get ready for you...really know what their purpose
is here on this earth, or what they are actually doing here, because
they far surpass us in technology. Anyone who can travel as fast as
they can travel makes anything that we have look like in the primer
stage. And that's...I still look forward to one day having another
close encounter. I don't think I would be near as shook up about it
if I did, as I was the first time. And there are many strange
things that happened at that particular time that I would like to
know more about. I don't know whether I'll ever find out what
happened to us 6 people in that car that night. I do know that I
felt like I was in a cloud, and I do remember looking at this tree
and not looking at it from the same angle that I had looked at it
previously. I felt like we were being lifted up and I was in a
cloud. And after that I had my...as far as my mind and thoughts
were, it became a blank. And that's my story."
Mike Christol: "O.K. Would you reiterate once more about your trip
down the Pennyrile and...and the things that happened. The events
plus the gentleman that came to your house and set on your porch.
(Oscar told Judy and me this story before we set up the video camera
and I'm asking him to repeat it again.)
Oscar: (Chuckles) "Yea. This took place Friday after our...our
sighting of this bright light in the sky. About, I'd say, about two
days later after that. I had someone knock on the door and come in
and sit down and he posed as a book salesman. And I ask him what
the book was all about and he said it was about dealing with the
Bible, and he was sure I was interested in the Bible and he wanted
to leave that book with me. I didn't, needless to say, buy the
book. I did have quite a chat with this young...whoever he was, and
supposedly he was from somewhere up in Bloomington, Indiana. This
very strange...ah...this person was so thin that I...he was...I
really thought he looked sick, he was so thin. He had dark skin,
very gaunt features, and...I ke...the more I kept looking at this
person sitting there I felt like it really wasn't any time to lie.
Because, when he looked at me, he looked like he was looking right
straight through me. And I had a feeling that...that he was reading
my mind and my thoughts while I was sitting there. I've never had a
feeling like that come over me in my life and I've never seen
anything or anyone that gave me that feeling. This, this strange
part about the whole thing is that when this fellow left the house
and walked to the outside, there was a sulfur smell in the air. I
don't know where he went to...he just...he just went! And this
dark, rustic, I wouldn't say rustic, but faded out car that was
setting up there where th...where this road was, it was gone too.
I never did see him go back to the car. I don't even know where
that car went. It just fttt...(makes a disappearing motion with his
hands) it was...it was gone. Now that may sound kind of hairy to
people, but that's actually what happened. And I've had Orientals
come to the house that I thought was Orientals, and they were not...
they weren't Orientals. There was...there was something strange
about them too. And when I...I found myself wanting to take trips,
to go to Evansville. I had no reason to go to Evansville, but I
found myself going in that direction. And I was coming down the...
the Purchase (Parkway in South-western Kentucky, intersecting Hwy.
51 out of Tennessee near Fulton, Kentucky.) highway out of
Martinsville, Tennessee (He means Martin, Tenn.), and I remember
coming onto the highway there in Martinsville, Tennessee and I was
riding down the road and all at once here's this black car and there
was two men setting in the front seat dressed in black. And their
face and their skin was as white as it could be. And they both
looked identical, that's the thing that really got me more than
anything else. That they...there was...they looked so identical
they wasn't even funny. And I kept looking at them and I thought:
`Well that's strange, two people look identical, the same, in this
car.' I didn't use no gas going down that road. That was something
else strange too. Seems like I was being pushed along down that
road. And time didn't seem to matter much either. And I kept
thinking: `Well dad-gone, I wonder why they are following me down
the road?' So I decided that I was just going to slow my car down
an...and give them a chance to get around me. Well, I let up on the
pedal and they did come along side of me and I looked right out
across from them. Right across at them, and I thought: `Boy if you
ain't a couple of strange dudes.' And I...and it really gave me a
creepy feeling. And finally they dropped back and I was going on
down the road toward the Western Kentucky Parkway. And on another
occasion when I was going down that road, my motor began to miss
out, and I'm not so sure I wasn't abducted that night. I...because
time elapsed again, and when I got to the Western Kentucky Parkway,
I pulled in at a gas station there and I stopped. And I kept
looking out from the gas station and there were all kinds of
blinking lights up there in the sky. And I...I pointed them out to
somebody. I said: `Do you all see all those lights up there in the
sky?' And apparently these people had gotten so use to it they
didn't pay any mind to it. But none-the-less they were there. And
right where you come off of the Purchase, there on...ah...not at the
Purchase, but on the Parkway coming on to the Pennyrile there,
that's exactly where th...that was taking place.
But, when I left and moved up to this little town of Waverly,
Kentucky, there were many, many instances that we saw these craft in
the sky there. And I remember an incident about some lady in
Kentucky claimed that they were picked up by a craft that was as
large as three football fields. I don't doubt that story at all,
because I've seen this...this round craft, and it is a large craft.
So, if...if...if people are telling these stories, they are really
happening. It's just not something they are dreaming up in their
mind. And I've had these experiences. I don't understand them, but
it did happen. And it did happen with six people in the car with me
in 1974. (During a later visit with Oscar and his wife, Freda, I
chronicled Oscar's life beginning with his birth and bringing him up
to his present age and address. In doing this, we discovered that
the 1974 incident at Daylight, Indiana, with six other people in the
car, actually occurred in April, 1973. Thus, the incident occurred
approximately six months after his initial sighting in Oct. 1972.)
I, incidentally, I sent this...I made another replica of this
craft and I sent this to the UFO Center in Evanston, Illinois. And
I had a person to come down to see me from Bloomington, Indiana,
from the UFO Center. And they ask me quite a few questions. There
was no follow up on...on this at all. I had the feeling that these
people who were questioning me at that time were governmental
officials. And they...they have the information, they know about
it. But I think they are...they know a lot more than they are
telling people about this."
Mike: "Could you hold the model at different angles and...and go
again...once again describe what you saw on your model that...even
the features that you don't have on it?"
Oscar: "Well, in the...in the bottom part of this craft here, there
is a...there is another square like piece that comes down and goes
over and then goes down. And then from...in this area here, there
is a French Protracted Curve that comes out on...in this area in
here on both sides of this craft. I put these antenna on...on this
craft from the side here, to show that there was antenna that
protruded out on this craft in here like this. Now, the antenna
that...that came out of the side of this craft is half telescoped.
Made out of the same metallic material that...that is on here (the
rest of the craft). I just put these antenna on there to show that
there was antenna that came out the side of this craft. This craft
in it...this craft had something like an electrum all around the
whole circumference of this craft. It was literally bathed in
light. Now when this light...that was recessed in this cone shaped
thing here in the bottom of it...when it oscillated in the bottom of
it, it sent this glow around the whole circumference of...of the
craft. This bottom part in here, all the way across this part in
here, when it...when this light oscillated, you could see the heat
reverberate in the bottom of this thing from it. In fact the heat
that comes out of the front of this craft in the front of it, if
you...if you were to be exposed to that for any length of time, I
think that it would literally burn the flesh right off of your body.
I was 300 feet away from this thing and it literally...it just
cooked my arms. It cooked my face. It burned me all the way down
to my legs and this part of my body (points to mid-section). Burned
me right straight through my clothes. And I had...that's...I think
that's the reason that I set down when I did, because I couldn't
have stood the heat from it for many...longer. I think it would
have literally have burned my eyes right out of my head. I had
headaches. The first time I saw this I had headaches for about 3 or
4 weeks after that. And this time when I looked at it my eyes ran
water. Water ran out of my eyes for about 6 to 8 weeks after I
looked into this light. So it's very important that...that anyone
does have an encounter like that, they don't need to...they...they
need to shield themselves from the light of this thing, because it
will have a tremendous effect upon the...the body and also upon the
person himself.
It's strange...ah...strange that anything can travel as fast as
this does. I'd like to say one thing about this. I've since
realized that...that when I was looking at the television screen one
night, they were talking about super conductivity. And they raised
this little cube up, like that (makes a rising motion with hand).
It made me realize what I was looking at...at that time. That it's
possible for man to travel at any speed he wants to. He just
doesn't realize how to do it yet. But, I would say that...that this
is on the order of super conductivity, and the magnetic sphere and
field around this thing. Because it...ah...it was real up...
literally bathed in...in...in electrum light. And where it went,
the light went right along with it. I think it literally...ah...
this cloud that I was in, I believe that...I believe that this cloud
that I was in and felt like I was in, the heat is so super around
this thing that it literally was burning up the moisture that was in
the air and that's what made this cloud. Now the hotter this...when
this light oscillates fast, the more this light oscillates in the
bottom, the brighter this thing gets (sounds as though the color
changes as the frequency the craft emits increases). And the
brighter it gets...ah...when it went away that night it looked just
like a boiling cloud going...going away from us that night. And I
...like I say, I haven't had a close encounter with...with any craft
since then. I've seen them a lot of times after that, until 1977.
I've seen on the occasion after that many high sightings, but no low
sightings. And I haven't seen those infrared spheres...Oh! And
there was another ...there was another thing that I saw in the sky,
that...that made me feel real funny. And this craft looked like the
darkness of midnight with an infrared light in the...in the...that
...in the center of it. But it was so black that you couldn't see
nothing but just plain darkness. That's all it emulated...was
nothing but real dark, dark, dark light. And to loo...watch it go
across the...they don't travel very...they were down rather low that
night in Tennessee. And I've been back to this area a couple or
three times, but I thought...always thought it was strange that all
those people live around there and yet they don't show themselves to
them people at all, hardly. There was a lot of people in Tennessee
that...that witnessed this craft and talked about it openly. But
seems like to me that the...the people that lived there took no
interest in it at all. And that's kind of strange to realize that.
I do know that they have had some sightings since then."
Mike: "O.K."
Freda: "We were going down the highway..."
Oscar: "You, yea. You remember that time when we were going down
the highway Freda, and this black, four cornered light, stayed in
front of us all the way down the highway? And it was raining so bad
that..."
Freda: "Storming."
Oscar: "Yea. And we couldn't even see where the road...(chuckles)
started and where the road ended..."
Freda: "It was just like a...a black square object. And it fit
right in the front end of our car. And I got so upset...so excited
that I laid down in the seat for a bit and I raised up and I said:
`It's still there, it's still there. Look!' And we just kept on a
going and finally...when it finally disappeared, we felt like we
must get off of the highway..."
Oscar: "But, I've...I had that feeling that as long as we followed
this...this in front of us, that nothing would happen to us. And as
it was, it...nothing happened. We were literally following this
black, four cornered..."
Freda: "It looked like it was black, shiny, and slick."
Oscar: "in front of us. And it led us right straight down the
highway. It's a very, very strange thing, and I'm not a person that
...that believes, I don't believe in mysticism. I'm a realist. And
I'm a person that sees things for what they are. And, being a
realist, I'm a realist about everything I do. I'm not a person to
take chances. I always studied things that other people don't look
into, and I'm a person that really seeks for knowledge. Because, I
realize that knowledge is a defense and a strong tower. So, to
acquire knowledge means that one must have an open mind. And that's
the only way you can acquire knowledge is through an open mind.
I've met a lot of people in my life who were closed minded and
not ready to...to understand anything. When I first had this UFO
experience, I wanted to find out if there was an answer to it. And
it...I think that the conclusion that I've came from...what I've
come to over the years, is that there is an answer to all of...of
these things. And I'm sure that the one's in this craft, when they
get ready for us to know what the answer is, that we will find out
what it is. I don't know when that is going to come about, but...
but there is...there is an answer."
Mike: "Alright, let's go back to your sighting in 1972. You said
that as it...the object would move and get ready to move, that you
could watch the bottom of the light on the very bottom. And that
you could determine in which direction that it was going to move.
Was...how did you perceive direction? Was there a color change?
Did it become more bright on one side than it would the other? Say,
for instance, if it was going to move to it's left, would the light
on...on the left side of it, or the right side of it get brighter?"
Oscar: "I noticed...how come me to notice the way it was going to
change...seemed like to me that when this light revolved, whatever
direction they were going to turn in, that was...angle in which this
light was...the angle that they were not going to turn on, it seemed
to be real bright. But as it came, it swung around like this (makes
revolving motion with hand). That light would change in the
direction that they were going to go. And too, I think really and
truly, that they were in some way communicating with me and telling
me which ever angle that they were going to turn. Because, after I
had this...after I heard this voice speak to me, it seems like that
I had close communication with...with them."
Mike: "Was it ever communication...ever instinctive knowledge that
came to you after this first hearing the Voice? I noticed that
several times you remarked that you communicated with them from time
to time."
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "Now was this strictly a telepathic type of communication?"
Oscar: "Yes, telepathic."
Mike: "You don't...do you feel like that it at any time was based
on, say maybe an abduction, where you could have been taken and told
this? And then it was suppressed in your memory?"
Oscar: "No! I had a feeling that they were so in tuned with my
mind, that whatever I saw, they saw through my eyes for some reason.
And it's a real strange feeling. Just something you can't explain.
But I felt I...I just felt so broad in scope and view of things that
whatever I was looking at they were...they were looking at it right
along with me."
Mike: "O.K. Were you always, prior to this first sighting, always
open minded, in your opinion?"
Oscar: "Well, I've always...like I've said, think that the way to
be open minded is through knowledge. And I've always looked at...
things from a different viewpoint. I always felt that if you really
wanted to understand people, you had to understand what they
believe in order to do that, in order to communicate. And I don't
mean communicate in a sarcastic manner. Because if you communicate
in a sarcastic manner, you're going to get a sarcastic reaction. In
order to communicate with people, you have to have an open mind and
you have to be willing to accept what they believe in order to
communicate with them. You can't communicate with people any other
way. If you have a hostile attitude, you're going to get a hostile
reaction. It's that simple. So I didn't really fear. Even today I
didn't fear whatever happened to me. I...I didn't fear it...like I
say, there is some things about this that I don't talk about,
because I don't feel that the average mind could comprehend what I'm
trying to sa...what I'd be saying anyway. So I don't talk about it.
There have been things that have happened to me in the past eight or
nine years that have changed my whole life. For whatever reason, I
...I...I was told about certain things and they came true. My past
life...and they happened just the way they said it would happen and
I...I try to really comprehend it, of which I don't. There's some
things that I don't comprehend about this."
Mike: "Who...who told you these things that have happened?"
Oscar: "Telepathically I was told."
Mike: "These Ael...Extraterrestrial Intelligences passes this on?~
Oscar: "Yes, Yes!"
Mike: "Extraterrestrial Intelligences revealed to you a past live?"
Oscar: "Well, they...they revealed things to me that were going to
happen to me that happened, that really did happen. I think they
did it in a way so I would be prepared for the...for it, because it
was a great shock."
Mike: "Right."
Oscar: "See? And of course with my religious background, that I
had over the years, and the knowledge that I had acquired from that,
it made me realize that whatever that is, if it...if it...whatever
entity that is, it was a created entity. And when it was created,
and how it was created, I don't know. But there's certain...their
is a degree of intelligence there that I can't even...I can't even
begin to fathom. Anyone who can telepathically communicate with me
and use my mind and make me understand things, certainly know more
about me than I know about myself. They know more about my working
brain than I do. It's...it's...this is...the thing I'm trying to
say is beyond comprehension. It's beyond comprehension! I don't
fully understand it. I wish I knew all there would be to know about
it. I look at all of the knowledge and wisdom that went into this
thing and...and there's a great intelligence there. It's...in fact
it's...it's so great that it's just...it's just hard for a human
mind to comprehend it."
Mike: "Did you at anytime feel that you were being manipulated?"
Oscar: "Yes!"
Mike: "Were you being forced to do things?"
Oscar: "I...I felt that I was being manipulated. I don't know
whether I was manipulated to do the...all the things that I...that I
did, but in some way I...I really felt like I was being
manipulated."
Mike: "Did you feel like that...that the thing was a threat to you
at any time?"
Oscar: (Takes a deep breath while contemplating the question.)
Mike: "If you didn't perform..."
Oscar: "No, I...I didn't...I really didn't feel as...as if it was a
threat. Because, I was told from the outset that I didn't have
anything to fear. I felt that one time that possibly they were
going to just literally pick me up and take me away. And I wasn't
going to be free, but I...I begged to be free, because I said:
`There are some things that I would like to do that I haven't had an
opportunity to do, and I'd like to do that.'"
Mike: "Were you ever in any...let's take for instance, this
particular meeting between you and I, and those in this room. Were
you ever, any time pri...in years prior to this, made aware that
this would probably happen?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "That it was meant to be, in other words?"
Oscar: "Oh, yes!"
Mike: "Was it according to the time table you had been given, or
was it early or late?"
Oscar: "Well, in 1977, when I went to this TV station there, (WEHT
-TV, CHANNEL 25, Evansville, Indiana) with my reproduction of what I
saw in the sky, they looked at me rather skeptical. And I can say
that I don't blame them for looking at me skeptical. Because I'm
talking to people who are news reporters and although this is being
reported and going on all over the world, they had the same feeling
that I did, the first time that I got up out of my chair and walked
to the back of the room. I had that same attitude. So it didn't
come as any great surprise to me, but I felt that people who really
needed to know about this...in fact I think they really wanted me to
make it known. See? So that if it...it comes on a grand scale, it
won't be...it won't be as near of a shock to people as...ah...you
know after all we look around this Universe and...and we're floating
in our little sphere. What goes on out of this sphere that we're
in, we know little or nothing about it. My mother said: `It was a
great thing for man to go the moon.' See? And I thought...and I
said that: `It was not really a big deal.' And it really isn't a
big deal. It...I...I said to her, I said: `As far as this Universe
is concerned.' And I listened to this speech that many of our
contemporary put out, such as conquering space. Well, going to the
moon would be like a piss-ant crawling up on a window seal. It's...
it's a very small thing, and yet as...as a real accomplishment for
man, it is a great thing. But when we look at our Universe that we
live in, and we look at the sphere that we live in ourself...in
here we are floating in space with a magnetic field around us that
holds us wherever we are in space. We can't see that magnetic
field, and yet it does exist. I...I saw, not too long ago, the
phenomenon of the Northern Lights. And the more these people
observe these Northern Lights up there, they realize that they're
dealing with a magnetic field that surrounds this earth. And those
lights are really a magnetic force. They don't understand it, they
don't comprehend it, but it's there. It's always there, the only
difference is that we just can't see it. It's a force that we can't
comprehend."
Mike: "OK. Getting back to the 1972 sighting, where the objects
came down close to the tree..."
Oscar: "Yes."
Mike: "...And they gave off the sparks. Did they actually touch
the tree?"
Oscar: "No."
Mike: "Wer...wer...what do you think was the purpose for being
around the tree?"
Oscar: "I...it's...now I observed this thing for about at least a
week. It made it's appearance through...you know...it's the same
line...went to the same tree and went in the same direction every
night. It...it was...it was as if it was programmed to do that."
Mike: "Would you consider the possibility that...that these objects
may have used this tree sort of like a grounding device?"
Oscar: "That's right. They...they came right to the same tree
every night. I thought when I...I could have set my watch by the
time."
Mike: "So you think that's their way of...of letting the earth...
of grounding themselves to the earth by touching their fields?"
Oscar: "Do you really...do you really want me to tell you what they
were really doing with those things?"
Mike: "Yes."
Oscar: "They were...they...what they were really doing was
surveying the ground. It...it was sort of a survey thing. Because
they were really surveying out the land and so forth. Because when
this thing came...this thing wasn't any more than five or six feet
off of the ground. And it would go across field after field after
field down there. And when it came to a tree, it would stop before
that tree. And it would go right straight up over the top of that
tree, and come right back down on the other side, and covered the
whole field. And then...and then go to another field." *
Mike: "There was a sense of purpose..."
Oscar: "There was a purpose behind it."
Mike: "Did you ever have a feeling of what the purpose may have
been? Why they would take a little town like that and survey it?
What was the name of this town?"
Oscar: "Oh. This was in the...this was in...in the country side
that they were doing that. And they were doing it all...all over
that whole country side. I think they've done it all over the
United States."
Mike: "Do you think this was for the purpose of mapping?"
Oscar: "Mapping!"
Mike: "In exact maps."
Oscar: "They...they know the terrain...they know the terrain better
than you and...better than we do. It had...it was a sense of
purpose. This thing...and...and yet if anyone would have went near
that, they would have been absorbed by it. I was told that...that
if I went near that, it would literally absorb me!"
Mike: "Was this a telepathic..."
Oscar: "Yes!"
Mike: "Now this...was this a feeling or was it as a voice?"
Oscar: "Oh, I...I've...not only the voice, but the feeling was
there. DANGER! NOT TO GO NEAR THAT! If I went near that I would
...I would literally be absorbed! I would be no more!"
Mike: "The...the absorption meant that your molecules would be just
scattered..."
Oscar: "Absolutely. No more! That's what I was told!"
Mike: "Disintegrated!"
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* I have in my files the name of a person in Kansas, who, while on
a fishing trip with several other men, saw an orange sphere rise
from behind a hill, level off at about 400 feet, and proceed to move
over the terrain in an up and down zig zag fashion. He said all up
and down and horizontal movement was done at 90 degree angles, and
it looked to him as though it could have been some sort of terrain
following equipment. He stated that static rather than music issued
forth from his radio while they were fishing and attracted his
attention to the object.
Oscar: "That's true."
Mike: "Because of the field itself."
Oscar: "That's right."
Mike: "Alright. Did they ever make known to you that...a way
whereby you could safely approach?"
Oscar: "Now way! No way to approach it safely! "
Mike: "Alright. What about in...in your opinion now, based upon
what you've seen and been telepathically told. The possibility of
where people are picked up; how to you think that they safely enter
those craft?"
Oscar: "I think they're picked up...I think they enter into
another...from my experience, I lost all sense of time. I think
they are...are passed from one entity to another entity. I believe
that when they come under the influence of this craft, this craft
has it's own entity. What I mean by that is, it...you pass out of
one magnetic field into another magnetic field."
Mike: "Do you think these craft then are really living things,
rather than mechanical objects?"
Oscar: "I believe it's a mechanical object, but I don't...I believe
...in some ways I believe that some of the entities that are on
there are not exactly real either. But the ones that are real are
the ones that can come and look at you and communicate with you.
They're real, but some of the...some of the objects that they use
are mechanical."
Mike: "Our scientists are finding ways to integrate genes with
metals to make these metals have life, or intelligence."
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "Is this the type of material development, do you think,
that's being used to make these things?" Or, do you think they're
just strictly metal? And not metal as we think of it, but because
they're...from what I've read they're a lightweight type of metal."
Oscar: "Well, the...the ones that...the ones that are...are robot
have this glow around them. The ones that are not robot, they are
the real...they're real."
Mike: "OK. So what you're saying is, the big craft, which you made
the model of has the glow..."
Oscar: "Yes!"
Mike: "...Was more of a remote controlled ship?"
Oscar: "No! You see these entities that are inside of this craft,
are...are real!"
Mike: "Alright."
Oscar: "They are enveloped in this field. But on the inside of
this field, the...the...the part that they are not a part of is...is
this magnetic force, or whatever it is around this. They're...
they're sealed in this, but they're protected from it. And they're
real!"
Mike: "Right."
Oscar: "They're...but it...there is so much power and so much
control here in this...in this craft. They...they have power
untold. Power that they can control. They can...they can send out
a...a light from this thing which literally shut...they could shut
down a whole town if they wanted to!"
Mike: "How do you think they do that?"
Oscar: "I think they...I think it's done by magnetic forces. We...
ah...it's...it's the only answer that I can understand. Anytime
I...I...I go by this for the simple reason that if we have any
magnetic force coming from the Sun, it kind of screws up your
television. Screws up your radio communications. They...they have
this type of power and they could...they can do just...it...anytime
they want to, if they wanted to use it."
Mike: "What we're looking at here is a remote controlled type of...
of currents, where they can actually drain all of the energy out of
everything, then turn around and charge it again form a distance."
Oscar: "They can! They have the power to do that! They...they...
you know our...when you stop and thing about our existence, ourself,
our brain sends electrodes to the rest of our body. Since I've had
this experience that I've had, I've lost a great deal of my
sensitivity. I don't have the same sensitivity in my hands and my
body that I use to. In fact, my...the electrical currents that come
off of my brain are scattered. They don't follow any one particular
point. They're scattered throughout my whole body now."
Mike: "Do you have parts on your body that don't feel?"
Oscar: "I have...I have no feelings in my arms and in my hips and
certain parts of my body. In fact I could pick up a red hot pot and
I don't even know I've got it in my hand until I have a burn from
it."
Mike: "In other words, if I take a pin and jab your fing..."
Oscar: "I have no sensitivity at all. In fact I've had needles
stuck in the...in the side of my hands by Neurologists. He says:
`You don't even feel that do you?' I said: `No, I have no
sensitivity.'"
Mike: "Would you have any objection to a demonstration of that?"
Oscar: "Yea, I don't have no objections. I...I cut my finger in
there a while ago. I cut it and didn't even realize that I...I had
done it until I had already done it."
Mike: (Turning to my wife, Judy) "Do you have anything sharp? I
don't have anything totally sharp."
Judy: "No."
Oscar: "I...ah...in fact I just went, not too long ago and I had...
I had the...the..."
Mike: "Acupuncture?"
Oscar: "Yea. I've had needles that long (indicates a length of
about six inches.) put down in my arms and through my back. And
down in my side of my hands and all around. But, I...I do not have
the sensitivity that I once had in my flesh."
Mike: "OK."
Judy: "Looks like that would effect the way you are able to move.
It doesn't seem..."
Oscar: "Well, I've been told by Neurologists that eventually I
would...ah...eventually loose all of the movement altogether,
because I've had a diffusion. In other words, what's happened to
the Mylein that surrounds my nerves, I...I don't...I'm loosing all
of that..."
Judy: "Ummm..."
Oscar: "...for some reason. They don't know why. I had...when I
went over there and had all those tests over in...hospital over
there. They told me that I...that eventually I would be paralyzed
all over. But I...I figure well, you know, they said 10 years or
so, and I said: `Well what difference does it make? If I live
another 10 years I will have lived my life.' See? But no, I've had
...I've had them put it all the way down into my flesh, and the
sensitivities just not there. I...I was rubbing my hips this
morning, and my hip bones, and I said: `Boy, that's just as dead as
a...there's no feeling there hardly at all.'"
Mike: "And you think this is a direct result of coming in contact
with the fields on these ships?~
Oscar: "I think it had...I think it had a lot to do with it. I've
...I didn't go very far with the Neurologist. I've...I wanted to
tell him what I've felt it really was, but I don't think he's ready
to...for that. Doesn't understand..."
Mike: "And he hasn't been able to find any other cause for this
loss of..."
Oscar: "No! I didn't have diabetes. I don't have...ah...the only
thing...he said that I had come in contact with a great deal of
poison. I almost had to laugh about that, because I'm not conscious
-------Cont in Oscar Jordan Part 3 ----------------------------------
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Subject: CONTACT: Oscar Jordan case Part 3 (conclusion)
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----Oscar Jordon Part 3 (CONCLUSION) -------------------------------
of that fact."
Mike: "A radiation type."
Oscar: "Yes. I really think it's from a type of radiation."
Mike: "Right."
Oscar: "But I noticed when we came back up from Florida, this last
trip up from Florida, I began to get blurred vision..."
Freda: "Hold that." (Talking to Judy.) "Do you want that?"
(Offering me a needle.)
Mike: "No, just one of the small ones."
Oscar: "I began to get blurred vision and have headaches and things
like that."
Freda: "Oops!" (Drops a needle.)
Mike: "That's good right there." (Taking needle.)
Freda: "Wait a minute, I've got two of them."
Oscar: "And this doctor _____, he took a needle and went across my
back with a needle and so forth, you know. And he said...he said to
me; says: `you...you don't really feel that at all do you, in that
area?' And I said: `No, I don't feel it.' And when they...when
this doctor put that needle up through my hand, back up in here.
(points to the webbing area between the thumb and index finger of
his left hand.) He said: `You know that this is the most sensitive
part of your whole body. You're going to come right off of the
table." So I thought: `Well it's going to hurt.' So I rolled over
and stuck my chops in the wall, you know. And I put my hand out
like that and finally I said: `Well, have you got it in there?' He
said: `Yea, I got it in there, don't you feel it?' I said: `No.'
He said: `Well you're...I don't know about you!"
Mike: "Ok. Here is a needle. I'll give it to you and let you do
your own sticking, because I wouldn't want to be the one to do that
to you." (Oscar sticks a needle into his left arm about two inches
below the elbow. The needle is inserted about an eighth to a
quarter of an inch. Once the needle is inserted, Oscar extends his
arm to full length for all to view.)
Mike: "Ouch! The back of the hand?"
Oscar: "Naw. I don't even...I don't feel that at all. I just have
no sensitivity."
Mike: "What about on the back of your hand?"
Oscar: "No. None." (Takes the needle out of his arm and sticks
himself on the back of the hand, on his arm, on the underside, and
also in the palm. The arm did not bleed from the needle sticks.)
Mike: "None what so ever?"
Oscar: "No! I have no sensitivity."
Mike: "And you feel like this is a direct result from your exposure
to the radiation from these..."
Oscar: "I...you see I...I don't know. I can't actually say,
but..." (Chuckles and hands me the needle.)
Mike: "It's sharp alright!" (Stuck myself with needle.)
Oscar: "Yea. I have no...no sensitivity. My...my sense of feel...
like I say I...I've gone in there and picked up...sometimes I've
picked up things from the stove. One night I thought I had that
little cooking pan, and I thought I had hold of the handle of it and
I really had hold of the bottom of it. And I picked that thing up
and I said: `Oh my god Freda, I've got this in my hand! I need to
put it down! And when I put it down it had burnt me all the way
down through...all the way across these four fingers. (Takes the
knife edge of his left hand and rubs it diagonally across his right
palm, from the top of the index finger all the way down and off of
the left edge of the heel of the palm, near the wrist.) I feel the
feeling way down in the bone. So I just put my hand down in ice
water for a little bit and about 15 or 20 minutes and it was all
gone."
Mike: "And you never blistered or anything?"
Oscar: "I blistered a little bit on the corner of my finger here.
In this area here."
(Shows me the palm up side of his ring finger on the right hand.)
Mike: "Yea, I can see that it's slick where it blistered."
Oscar: "Yea, see. But I do that...I do it every now and then. I
do it and I'm actually burnt before I have the deep down feeling in
my flesh. But top feeling of flesh. I have none! None what so
ever in the top part of my...my flesh!"
Mike: "You're...did you have any of this feeling problems with your
nerves before you had any..."
Oscar: "No! No, I never had that problem at all!"
Mike: "When did you fe...start noticing this loss of feeling?"
Oscar: "In 19 and... Well it`s been in the past three years or four
years that I've noticed this loss of feeling. I lost the feeling...
I...I had this loss of feeling in...in my back here. It's more
prominent in around my spine back here. In this general area than
...than before. (Points to the upper area of the spine in the area
of the First Thoracic Vertebra.) Now I have a degeneration from an
arthritic condition in the bone. But...and I talked to them about
that and he said: `Well you...you shouldn't have...you shouldn't
loose your feelings like that. I even went and had an MRI Scan
(Magnetic Resonance Imaging) because I thought maybe I might...there
might be something that was causing this loss of feeling. But they
didn't find anything with an MRI Scan."
Mike: "They can't...you are a walking enigma to them. They can't
figure out what..."
Oscar: "Well he just looked at me and they...this doctor to me, he
says: `You know, since you don't have any feeling, I wonder why
you're not just paralyzed all over? By all the rules in the book,
you aught to be paralyzed and not be able to move!"
Judy: "That's why I was asking. You didn't act like it bothered
you any!"
Oscar: "I...I don't notice it."
Mike: "Do you have the medical reports on..."
Oscar: "Oh yea! I got it. They call it "_______________________"
but they..."
Mike: "Do you have written papers?"
Oscar: "Oh yea. But they..."
Mike: "Can I see these please?"
Oscar: "Yea. But they don't know...(laughs)...they...after having
all the damn needles stuck in my arms and going through the whole
nine yards, I walked out of there and the guy looked at me and he
says...he just looked at me and he says: `I don't know about you.
I'm...' This Neurologist, he...he just stood and shook his head.
And I almost wanted to laugh at him, but I didn't."
Mike: "You don't have pain in your body then, do you?"
Oscar: "I have an...every now and then I get an electric current
that I feel. It'll run from my head, all the way down to the bottom
of my feet. And I feel this electric charge, but it goes through
and...fttt...out, just like that."
(Makes a sweeping motion with his right hand from the top of
his head through the bottom of his feet and away from himself in a
flicking motion.)
Mike: "Is it painful?"
Oscar: "Very painful! And..."
Mike: "It's quick?"
Oscar: "Yea. And then sometimes when I feel...when I have this
feeling...when I...I take this Amitriptyline to..to kindly...ah...
cut this electric current charges run through my body. I take it,
the Amitriptyline, to kind of shut that down, so I don't notice it
as much. And I don't sleep like you do! I could stay awake around
the clock. An...and I don't have to go to sleep to rest. Strange,
ain't it?" (Chuckles)
Mike: "You rest while you're awake?"
Oscar: (Laughing) "Yea, yea!"
Mike: "How long have you been doing this?"
Oscar: "Oh...I've been doing this ever since that happened to me."
Mike: "Since 1974?"
Oscar: "Yea. I..."
Mike: "Do you still see more and more of the pictures? Do they
continually present them..."
Oscar: "Well, I kindly, over the...over the years, I kinda shut
this thing off, you know. I just kinda turned my mind away from it.
See?"
Mike: "Have you ever at any time, when you'd see these pictures,
tried to sketch out the best you could, what you were seeing? Make
sketches? To write it out in a...in a...a diary type format?"
Oscar: (Inhaling deeply and letting it out with a sigh) "Well,
I...this may sound strange to you, but I have a photographic mind.
I can look at a page and almost remember the whole page."
Mike: "Have you always been this way?"
Oscar: "Well, more so over the past few years."
Mike: "In other words, these are acquired traits?"
Oscar: "Yea. And...and so what happens to me...and Freda says...
OH! She says: `I don'`t know how you can remember all of that.'
When it comes to the Bible, I can almost go through the whole book,
you know. And she says: `How can you remember all those things?'
and I said: `Well Freda, I don't know, but I do.' She can be
reading and I know what that next words gonna be. If she jumps over
it, don't say it right, I'll tell her what it says. She says: `How
did you know it said that?' and I said: `Well, I just know it says
that.'"
Mike: "Photographic memory?"
Oscar: "Yea. So that's how I retain things, but when it comes
to...I can remember things better than I can make my hands do. See?
And...but I'm...I a really...a strange person. Like I said, I felt
like I was absorbed and really taken over by whatever it was that I
came in contact with!"
Mike: "These...this one incident when you were looking at the model
here..." (I hand him the model of the object he constructed)
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "...in 1974, and you said that it felt like the car was
lifted..."
Oscar: "Oh, yea!"
Mike: "...and that you were in a cloud."
Oscar: (Laughs) "I'm setting in a...I kept looking at this
confounded tree setting over there, on the side of the road. I kept
saying to myself: `Well, I'm in a cloud here! I'm in a cloud!'
And I...I kept looking out at the...at the moon. And I thought:
`Boy! That moon surely didn't get that high in the sky.' But this
was after...this was after we were...you...you understand what I'm
trying to say to you? That time element, there! From the time I
was seeing all of these things; eighty minutes of time had elapsed!"
Mike: "Right! That you couldn't account for!"
Oscar: "Couldn't account for!"
Mike: (Snapping my fingers) "Seems like it went just like that!"
Oscar: "It just seemed like it was just a second!"
Mike: "And the moon when you observed it. What direction was the
moon in when you observed it?"
Oscar: "Well, the moon...the moon was just coming up on the rise.
But when I looked back at...at this moon, that moon was setting up
here like this. (Raises arm to about eighty degrees above horizon)
And I got to thinking: `Well, that moon didn't get up there that
fast.' You know? I said: `It just couldn't have got there that
fast.' Because, when we first saw this craft, the moon and the craft
were identical. But then when I looked later, the moon was setting
up over here, and the craft was setting out here like this. (points
to the angle at which each object resided) And I thought: `Dad
gone, that moon surely didn't rise up that fast!'"
Mike: "And you have no memory of anything in between, other than
the cloud?"
Oscar: "No. No. Only six months later, I'm seeing all these
lights flashing off and on in my mind."
Mike: "Here is a book that was...1974. THE UFO EVIDENCE, that was
published by NICAP. Now do you know what NICAP was?"
Oscar: "No!"
Mike: "The NATIONAL INVESTIGATION COMMITTEE ON AERIAL PHENOMENA, in
Washington, D.C."
Oscar: "No."
Mike: "OK. It shows here on page 144, sightings of diagrams of the
most commonly sighted type craft. Do you see anything in there that
resembles any of the things that you've looked at over the period of
time?" (THE UFO EVIDENCE - 1964)
Oscar: "This. This."
Mike: "That's the coin view of...see, each one is a view from
different angles of it."
Oscar: "Yea. And, let me see."
Mike: "Do you want to turn it toward the camera and point it out at
the camera? Just..."
Oscar: "Yea. I've seen this. This one up in the corner, the
diagonal."
Mike: "That's the flat disk." (UFO Shape No. 1 - Flat Disk)
Oscar: "Yea!"
Mike: "In the..."
Oscar: "I've seen this flat disk."
Mike: "View -B-. Right?" (Side view)
Oscar: "I've seen this one...ah...the one that I know. And I've
seen this one here."
Mike: "Alright. That's the triangular shape. Number eight?"
Oscar: "Yea. And I've seen the round one."
Mike: "And you've seen the round spherical disk?" (No. 6.)
Oscar: "Yea. Yea!"
Mike: What about this, the number 10 there? The source, light
source only? It's just a little..."
Oscar: "Oh, yea! Yea!"
Mike: "...down at the...No! Down at the bottom here. See?"
Oscar: "Oh, yea! Yes. This is the one that we...that I see now
quite frequently."
Mike: "OK."
Oscar: "Just the flick-flick, flick-flick, flick-flick."
(Describing the strobe light effect on the UFO)
Mike: "Right. Now I have another series of pictures, and these are
drawings that came from out of China. And see if any of those look
familiar to you. Those particular type drawings that the Chinese
reported frequently."
Oscar: "Yea. This one."
Mike: "Which one is that?~
Oscar: "This one right here."
Mike: That's the...alright, turn that toward the camera also."
Oscar: " Yea. This one."
Mike: "That's...I don't know if we can pick it up over there."
Oscar: "I doubt it, but I'll turn it around like this."
Mike: "There we go."
Oscar: "This one." (Pg.258, UFO'S OVER MODERN CHINA
W. C. Stevens AND Paul Dong @ 1983 Tucson Arizona)
Mike: "The box. That's the one your..."
Oscar: "Yes. This one, and this one here. Just a...and then
there's the ball shaped..."
Mike: "Sphere?"
Oscar: "This with the infrared light around it."
Mike: "Uh-huhhhh...!"
Oscar: "Yea!"
Mike: "Is this one here the one on the first one? The box? Is
this one the one you said...like the platform that you saw on the
edge of outer space?"
Oscar: "I saw...you remember this...you remember this one we just
looked at up in the top there, with the flat platform? That's the
one I saw where the lights were coming in and out of this thing.
And I was looking at that one back toward the north that day. I'm
looking sort of toward the north, I would say North-West, when I saw
that one. And I thought...I stood there and looked at it for almost
thirty minutes. And I thought: `Man.' And this was more in the
daylight than it was in the dark, that I was looking at and saw all
of this."
Mike: "Have you seen anything like this one?"
Oscar: "Now this is the...this is the...I would say...I would say
that I have seen similar to that."
Mike: "That's like the flat one."
Oscar: "Yea. Flat one."
Mike: "Guess I'll show the camera here. It's a flat...it's not a
cigar, really, because it's flat on each end. But it seems to have
a protrusion at the bottom."
Oscar: "Yes."
Mike: "Where things can come out."
Oscar: "Yea. You're getting...you're getting right down to the
nitty gritty!" (Laughs)
Mike: "Here's some better views of it."
Oscar: "Yea. Yep. Yes sir. Yea. I looked at that thing and I...
I saw lights coming in and out of that thing and going and and I
thought to myself: `Why hell, nobody will believe that. Nobody on
this Earth will believe it. This thing has got to be huge, because
you're...you're looking...' I was looking at this platform and I
thought they were really playing tricks with my mind. And I
thought: `Man! Just look at the lights up...lights above it and
around it. Just small little flickering lights.' And they were
coming and going like that." (Reference to a photo of an object on
page 63-67 in the book: UFO Vol. 2, Photographs Around The World;
By: Wendelle C. Stevens and August C. Roberts. Copyright 1985 P.O.
Box 17206 - Tucson, Arizona 85710.)
Mike: "You can show that to the camera as a matter of record too."
Oscar: "Yea!"
Mike: "OK. You might kind of glance through there and see if you
see any other type things that you have...based on these photographs
that people have taken. That's the same page right there."
Oscar: "Now this one here reminds me of...this reminds me of...of
of...of this down here."
Mike: "They're the same series of photographs of the same object.
So you might want to just scan...and he's got line drawings of what
each disk looks like before he ever shows the disk. Any of these
that you saw ever have any markings on them? Like these pictures?"
Oscar: "No. Uh-uh. No. I've seen this one!"
Mike: "The light."
Oscar: "Yea! Just...just a glow. In fact that's what this one
looked like when it came toward me. Just a glow and then when it
got closer, it...I...I really got to see what it looked like. (Pg.
17-19 UFO Photographs Around the World, Vol. 2.)
Mike: "And this is what the glow looks like right here. So even
though you can't tell, he's drawing a photograph before each
photograph of each type, to help explain. There's one that...see
the lights all around it?" (Pg. 52-53 shows picture of Adamski
cigar shaped mother ship and small scout craft. Vol 2)
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "But the...your's apparently didn't look quite like that
one."
Oscar: "Uh-uh."
Mike: "They had the same light type."
Oscar: "But you...can you understand this? That...that they're
able to shut this light off."
Mike: "Just like we would turn a light off."
Oscar: "And...and all you're going to see is a black...a black
shape there. That's all. And we've seen that black shape enough
times to turn our...really turn our attention."
Mike: "See there's your drawing there."
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: A lot of times you were...you touched on the holographic
aspect of it."
Oscar: "Yes."
Mike: "Did...ah...what you see is not really what's there."
Oscar: "If I tried to describe what I saw in the holograph...the
hologram, I'd be hard put to do that, because they...it seems like
to me they directed my mind to it. My mind ran over the whole thing
of it, and I thought...Ohhh!"
Freda: "You know what a hologram looks like?"
Mike: "Well it depends on what it's a hologram of. Oh, you're
talking about the symbol of a hologram!"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "OK. Like the dodecahedron."
Oscar: "Now this...this, if you'll notice in here, this...this...
this thing right in here. You see this, right in here? Shows me a
picture on the front cover of National Geographic Magazine.) That
looks like a...it sort of looks triangle shaped with a cloud. But
here's another...Oh! There's one other thing I remembered one night
..."
Freda: "There's a hologram."
Mike: "This?"
Oscar: "Just hold it up to the light."
Freda: "You got to hold it right."
Oscar: "Put it into the light. Turn it around. Oh no, you can't
see it there."
Mike: "Uh-uh. I can just make out marks, but that's about all I
can see."
Freda: "Here. There! You've got the right color there."
Mike: "Yea! Right! It's like a three dimensional image."
Freda: "Cause I'm bending the..."
Oscar: "That`s...that's three dimensional."
Mike: "Right!"
Oscar: "See. I was looking at a three dimensional image."
Mike: "The color's on the bottom..."
Freda: "Now, I think we will find that too, if we bend it."
Mike: "Now that's suppose to be the Earth. Yea! There you go."
Freda: "We will bend it."
Mike: "Right! It's a three dimensional...this is a hologram."
Oscar: "Yea. It's a hologram."
Mike: "But is this the..."
Oscar: "Do you know how that's put on there? It's put on with a
laser."
Mike: "Yea. I've seen them do it on T.V."
Oscar: "Yea. It doesn't exist. They're...they're..."
Mike: (To Judy) "Did you see it?"
Oscar: "They're making things out there of a hologram."
Mike: "Bend it to get the light to hit it."
Judy: "I see it."
Mike: "These pictures are very vague. They're small, they're not
blown up and they're hard to see."
Oscar: "Yea. I...looking at some of these..."
Mike: "But your hologram, what was it of? The one they showed
you?"
Oscar: (Laughing) "Oh alright. When I...when I think about what
they did to my eyes that night, I almost turned...I almost turned
green with envy. They made me see things that if I a...I couldn't
ever describe what went on. What they made me see."
Mike: "If you can do...I know our scientists can use holograms now
to project...they use holograms to project a false image of me to
another part of the room, and people won't know the difference."
Oscar: "Oh yea! That's right."
Mike: "Because of light. All it is, is the focus of light."
Oscar: "This is...this...I've seen that UFO this way. This way.
This way. And that way!" (Indicates different shapes)
Mike: "That's a good example of their force fields. How they...
how they can show them."
Oscar: "Yea. That's right. And this."
Mike: "Did you ever see one like this that had the spiral of lights
like that?" (Pg. 258 UFO over China)
Oscar: "No. I haven't. Uh-Uh. No!"
Mike: "OK. Now, I have another book here which I've saved, that
we'll get into. And these pictures are in color."
(UFO...CONTACT FROM THE PLEADIES...Vol. 1. Picture Book.
(Revised edition) Copyright 1980 by Genesis lll Publishing.
Phoenix, Arizona)
Oscar: "Yea!"
Mike: "And..."
Freda: "There Oscar! Right on the front door. Looks like yours!"
Mike: (Pointing to picture taped inside front cover) "There I was
in high school. I built this rocked back in high school out of
carpet containers and wrapped it in aluminum foil, for our prom."
Oscar: "You did?"
Mike: "Uh-huh. Yes. And here is the tree effect." (Showing
Oscar Sun Ship picture of Meier Case.)
Oscar: "...Ah...you see..."
Mike: "Parked by the tree."
Oscar: "The one that I saw was more out in the open, like this. I
...I was using this tree to sight by. But the U...the UFO was over
in this area like that."
(Makes hand jester to show that the UFO he saw in Jackson,
Tenn. in 1972, was in front of the tree, near the ground.)
Mike: "But this one is supposedly pulled up from the tree and
parked."
Oscar: "Yea...well! Now you remember I told you about this...ah...
you remember I told you about this UFO that came to that tree every
night? It was just a round sphere, and that thing would come there
and...and hover over the top of that tree. In fact, it would hover
right over the top of it and it...and when it...and it...these
electric sparks just seem like they came out from all around. Huh?
Mike: (Oscar continues to look through the picture book Number One
of the Meier Photo's)
"The little dipper type thing you was talking about?" (Pointing
to photograph of Pleadies Star System.)
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "That's the Pleadies Constellation."
Oscar: "The Pleadies?"
Mike: "And this is...this is where he claims...this man claims that
this group comes from, this one here. There's the Hyades over
there. Like the goat (devil) Hyades."
Oscar: "Yea. Un-huh."
Mike: "And then the Taurus section of the sky."
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "There's this...and it goes on out of course."
Oscar: "How many light years is that away from us?"
Mike: "He claims 500 light years."
Oscar: "500 Light Years? That's...that's enough isn't it?"
Mike: "Right, I'd say so."
Oscar: "Sure."
Mike: "I could make the jump in a minute or two I think."
(Laughing)
Oscar: (Laughing) "Yeeees." (Laughing continues)
Mike: "A person...one thing I learned early is...is a person has to
have a sense of humor to go along with an open mind."
Oscar: "Yea. I always...I've got a..."
Freda: "Yea. To keep from getting frightened over it."
Oscar: "I gotta...I almost gotta laugh too, but I...you know, like
I said for years after I saw this thing. I looked for answers, and
the more I looked, the further away the answer got from me. So the
answer is, there is no answer. See? That's the answer."
Mike: "For us."
Oscar: "For us!"
Freda: "What was it that one told you? That you had no time? Time
meant nothing!"
Oscar: "Oh Yea! I...I remember...ah...I remember talking and they
said: `What time have you got?' And I remember glancing down at my
watch like this and I said; I was giving them the time and he...and
he turned around and looked...and he...(indicates that the ET looked
at him and held his hand out toward him as if to say: `Stop!')...
like that, and he said: `You don't even know what...' he said: `I
can see that you know little or nothing about time!' So...ah..."
Mike: "Now would you explain in...in detail, because that's...ah...
you're saying: `He turned around.' Like there's a physical person
standing in front of you!"
Oscar: "Yea! And...well there was...there was more than one!
There was one here (points to his left), one over there (in front of
him), and one there!" (points to his right. Three in a row spaced
out some.)
Mike: "Will you go back to the beginning of this story and start at
the beginning?"
Oscar: "I remember this white room that I was in. And I was about
...I wanted to get into Evansville real bad, because I had...I
wanted to drive back down into Tennessee and I kept saying: `I
don't have any...I don't have any time.' In fact, I was really
trying to push them that night to get back to Evansville, because I
didn't...like I had any time."
Mike: "These are the people that you think abducted you?"
Oscar: "Yea! And I kept saying: `I don't have time! I don't have
time!' And...ah...finally he says: `Well, what time is it?' And I
look...looked and I sa...was quoting the time. And I remembered
saying...I remember them saying to me: `Well, you don't even know
anything about time at all!' And I felt so damn stupid! I felt
absolutely stupid! And I kept looking at this...I kept looking at
this panel. I thought I was looking at a panel and a thing just
kept moving so fast. I think they were...I think they were doing
something with my mind!"
Mike: "Did they put any kind of devices on you?"
Oscar: "Ahhh..."
Mike: "Attach anything to your body? Did they have any kind of
mechanical mechanism that they brought around and scanned you with?
Or something of this nature?"
Oscar: (Thinking, trying to remember. Long pause.)
Mike: "Don't be afraid to talk to me, because I know from where
you're coming, from dealing with other people who have...even though
I myself don't have any conscious memory doing this, I've dealt with
other people who have. So don't be afraid to say...unless they're
trying to blank you out."
Oscar: "That's where...that's where everything comes to...a point."
Mike: "Do you think this is...that...you...ah...get so excited when
you first start talking about it. And then when I ask you a certain
question, it's almost like the look on your face...just like you
almost went blank."
Oscar: "That's the part I can't remember."
Mike: "You remember these beings. Right?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "What do they look like?"
Oscar: "Well, ah..."
Mike: "Height? Weight? You know, the color of skin texture?"
Oscar: "These...ah...that I remember looking at, they had metallic
suits on."
Mike: "What color was...what color metallic? Were they white?
Silver?"
Oscar: "They were sort of white metallic and I really wanted to get
away from them. I thought: `Well, I really got to get out of here.
I got to...I got to get back into Evansville!' And he kept...and he
kept saying to me: `Well you're...you're...ah...what time do you
want it to be?' And I said: `Well, I don't want it to be a certain
time.' And they said: `What time is it?' And when I told them
what time it was, they said: `Well, you don't know anything about
time at all!' And I realized the next day what they were really
saying to me, because I lost all sense of time. And when I got back
into Evansville, I thought the time that I wanted it to be, and the
time it was didn't make any difference, because I wasn't going
anywhere anyway! See? Strange ain't it?"
Mike: "In other words...we...we had been ingrained in the
importance of being certain places at certain intervals?"
Oscar: "Yea. There's really no...ah...to them time didn't mean
anything, and they weren't going the same place I wanted to go
anyway. So they didn't really...they pointed out to me that it
didn't really make any difference."
Mike: "What...it...sounds like they're saying to you, and you can
tell me if I'm right or wrong here is: Why rush? Just take every
thing at a progressive...don't have any destination in mind."
Oscar: "Yea. I think that's...I think that's exactly what they
were trying to convey to me."
Mike: "And we as a generation here, people on this Earth, set goals
from point A to point B, and so much...schedule to get there."
Oscar: "Well, I think that...I think what they were trying to say
to me was that you operate on a...on a different time schedule than
we operate on. And so time shouldn't be the all important thing.
My watch wasn't running anyway, so it really wasn't going anywhere."
Mike: "Describe the...if you would the facial features of these...
any of these beings."
Oscar: "They were very thin. In fact I...their faces are...ah...
the upper part of their face is a lot larger than ours. They have
no...in fact with...the suits that they wore were up over their...up
over the top of them. Their eyes are rather...their eyes are the
kind of eyes that just look right straight through you! In fact
they look at you like you're really not there!"
Mike: "What was the shape of their eyes?"
Oscar: "Their eyes are...were round and up, like this." (Makes out
side corners slant up and wrap around the head.)
Mike: "Slanted?"
Oscar: "Yes."
Mike: "Oriental type?"
Oscar: "Up! Yea."
Mike: "Did they have any pupils in them?"
Oscar: "No. Not...not that I could see."
Mike: "What was the color of them?"
Oscar: "If I looked in them, I would have to say they were dark and
sort of...real glassy looking. Like they were just set!"
Mike: "In other words, there was no movement to their eyes?"
Oscar: "No."
Mike: "Their eye was a fixed eye, in a certain place? Now do you
think this was actually their eye, or was this some kind of outer
protective part of their eye?"
Oscar: "No. I've...I had to wonder about that, because none of it
...none of it seemed real to me at the time."
Mike: "Ok. This is not a very good...gonna be very good, but..."
(I make a drawing of typical small, thin, big eyed, gray ET.)
Oscar: "Yea! You've got it!"
Mike: "Ok. And say just a slit...like that? Is that the way they
looked?"
Oscar: "Yea!"
Mike: "There was no lips? No nose? No ears?"
Oscar: "Uh-Uh."
Mike: "And then their bodies were just...little thin necks?"
Oscar: (Laughs) "Yea. They looked like they'd be absolutely
powerless against somebody like me. But...ah..."
Mike: (Interjects) "Very strong!"
Oscar: "They didn't look very strong. But they...I wasn't able to
life my arms up."
Judy: "They did that with their head." (Laughs)
Oscar: "Huh? I couldn't..."
Judy: "They did that...worked on your head."
Oscar: "I couldn't lift my arms up. I was just more...motionless
than anything else. I felt absolutely at their mercy!"
Mike: "In all these, the eyes are really...rather black weren't
they?"
Oscar: "They were dark."
Mike: "Dark color, but you couldn't detect any motion or emotion?"
Oscar: "It seem...wherever their head...it seemed where...when they
turned their head, whatever they turned, their eyes went right along
with them. Do you know what I'm trying to say to you? There wasn't
any...ah...they didn't look to the right or to the left like we do,
and they don't turn their eyes to see what they want to see, they...
their...they...it's just fixed and their...you look at them and
they`re looking right straight through you! (Looks at my drawing)
Yes!"
Mike: "Is that the proper angle or were they more of a flatter..."
Oscar: "Yes. Uh-huh. That's it!"
Freda: "Skinny chin."
Mike: "Yea. And how tall were they, would you say?"
Oscar: "I...the ones I would say...I would say they were
approximately five feet tall. Or...or...no more than five feet
tall."
Mike: "Did they have normal hands on their body?"
Oscar: "No! Their hands were longer!"
Judy: "Were you always in your car when this happened to you?"
Oscar: "No. They weren't in the car. I wasn't in the car either.
I don't re...ever remember being out of the car. I don't know. I
do know that this car, this station wagon...I saw it about three
weeks after that, and all the paint had rolled up on the outside of
it. I mean just pealed right off! Yea. Uh-huh."
Mike: "The hands look real...more fing...all fingers nearly?"
Oscar: "Yea. Yea."
Mike: "Like they were real long? Three of them maybe? Or four of
them? No thumbs?"
Oscar: "I couldn't...I just remember the..."
Mike: "Was there any webb...say a webbing?"
Oscar: "I'm not sure."
Mike: "Give an effect like this?"
Oscar: "I'm not sure. I wasn't...I was only looking at the eyes!
And...ah...and..."
Mike: "They sort of transfixed you? The eyes did?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "Were there little guys as well?"
Oscar: "I was sitting there looking at them and I thought...and I
kept saying: `You got to let me go! You got to let me go!' And I
thought they weren't going to let me do. That's the whole thing.
Because I couldn't have went, you know. And...and...I think these
people that were with me, I don't think they even bothered with them
at all. I'm not sure where they did or not. This big old fellow
was driving the station wagon. He...more like this." (Makes
reference to picture I was drawing)
Mike: "Like this one without the webbs?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "About this size hands?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Mike: "Ok. It follows the scenario. Did they...did you see any
features within the ship itself?"
Oscar: "I kept...I...I...as I said, I kept looking at this panel
that I was looking at. I kept...I kept thinking: `Boy you're
really feeding me a lot of stuff, and I can't absorb all of this
stuff that's going...just moving.' It was moving so fast through...
through this up here, that I couldn't...I just thought: `I'll
retain all of this. And I don't even know why you're...why you're
doing this in the first place!' See? I still don't know why they
did it."
Mike: "They didn't...they didn't answer any questions?"
Oscar: "No."
Mike: "They ask you questions, but they didn't give you any
answers."
Oscar: "Not too many. They weren't there to give out answers."
Mike: "Right. They were there to get answers!"
Oscar: "Yea! They were really looking me over and...and they
called me by name, and I think that's the thing that really got me
more than anything else. I thought: `How in the world would you
know my name?"
Mike: "They...if they are like this, they more than likely, came
from a star system called Zeta Reticula. It's a double star
system."
Oscar: "You know, I had the occasion to set my telescope up and
look at that particular star that sort of wobbles in the sky. And
it wob...it wobbles like this (makes a wobbling motion with his
hand) and I was always called...I...it...when I was down in
Tennessee, I always looked out and I was...my attention was always
called to that wobbly star in the sky. Looks like it's just all
around...moving like this all the time. But it...it...it's so far
away."
Mike: "Ok. You...ah...when you were in Tennessee, you saw this
large circular object over the road."
Oscar: "Ohhh!"
Mike: "And then in time you wound up on a back road somewhere?"
Oscar: "Yea!...ah..."
Mike: "How much time became missing there?"
Oscar: "I don't know! Freda, I can't tell. Could you tell?"
Freda: "Uh-Uh. No!"
Oscar: "No. I couldn't tell."
Freda: "We were just...ah...we looked at each other and we were
both kind of confused and he said: `I can't ever remember turning
off of that main road. Can you?' And here we was on this side
road. We had made a turn around, complete turn around. And we was
driving slow and he says: `Well. I don't even know where to go to
find out how to get back.'"
Oscar: "I kept looking at...she kept following this glow in the
sky, and I kept following it too. And I...I said: `Freda, they're
making a complete circle around us!' And she said: `They are at
that, aren't they?' And I said: `Yea. They're making a complete
ci...let's don't get shook up about this!'"
Mike: "What were the weather conditions on this night?"
Oscar: "I'eee..."
Freda: "Now that...when we saw that, it was clear. It wasn't a
clear night, but it was a good night. It was...ah...it..."
Mike: "Was it Winter? Summer?"
Freda: " No. It was Summer."
Mike: "The temperature, would you say?"
Freda: "I'd say 60. Somewhere in that area."
Mike: "And it wasn't stormy? It was partly cloudy you say."
Freda: "No."
Mike: "Now clear..."
Freda: "And...and that...that light just..."
Mike: "How large did this light..."
Freda: "He said: `Hey! Look! Look!' The way it looked like...
it was this big to us."
Oscar: "Ohhh god! It covered the...the brightness of it...it just
lit up the whole sky. And I said: `I wonder if anybody's looking
at this like we are?'"
Freda: "Then...then when we finally got straightened out was...ah
...when a car came down the highway. And then it went out."
Mike: "Ok. Now you say that it appeared..."
Freda: "It appeared to be...just like that and it...it just moved
and I said: `Look! Look! Look Oscar!"
Mike: "About the size of a large basketball to you?"
Oscar: "It was larger than that!" (Laughs)
Freda: "Oh yea. Yea it was."
Oscar: "It...it lit up the whole...it lit up the whole terrain all
the way around it. Oh. It was...it wasn't close to us at all. It
...it was just going...making a sweep like that." (Makes a 360
degree circular sweep with his arm above his head)
Mike: "But yet it appeared huge."
Oscar: "It was huge!"
Freda: "It appeared...it appeared to us to be pretty big and it
appeared to be...well, you know how you've seen the moon sometimes,
pretty big? You know?"
Mike: "How...If you could hold...put your hands around it, just to
measure..."
Oscar: (Chuckles) "I couldn't do it. I couldn't..."
Mike: "From where you were, could you have got your hands around
either side of it?"
Oscar: "Uh-uh. No."
Mike: "Top or bottom?"
Oscar: "No. No."
Mike: "And it was just a light?"
Oscar: "Just a great big glowing light that went from this way
around us all the way around to..." (moves hand in a clockwise
direction)
Mike: "Was it within a mile of you?"
Freda: "Oh, I think it was further than that away."
Mike: "Five miles? Ten miles?"
Freda: "It sounds more like five miles. I think..."
Mike: "And it made a complete...you're in a little car down here,
and this thing is ten miles away making a humongus circle that would
color...cover a ten to twenty mile arc all the way around. Is that
what you're saying?"
Oscar: "Yea."
Freda: There wasn't no other traffic. It was at night time. There
weren't no other traffic on that road!"
Mike: "And where was this located?"
Oscar: "We were coming out of...ahhh...Ohhh, what is that...what is
that town in...ah..."
Freda: "It was in Tennessee."
Oscar: "Yea. We...it's right where the...what is that little town
there Freda?"
Freda: "Humbolt?"
Oscar: "No. Ohhh, no, no, no! The make...they use to make suits
there in this...in this little town."
Freda: "Ohhh."
Oscar: "I can't think of the name of it."
Freda: "It won't come to me."
Oscar: "No. I...in fact I've got one in there hanging up in the
closet that came from that place."
Freda: "It...it was a unusual feeling with...especially with me.
And you know, well...don't get excited...just be cool...you're
alright."
Mike: "Did the light shine in the car?"
Oscar: "Oh yea! The light...we could look...you could see the
brightness of the light. It Just..."
Freda: "It was a bright light."
Oscar: "Yea. I said: `Hey Freda, they're up there!' (Laughs)
Freda looked at me and said: `They are?' I said: `You better
believe they're up there!' I said: `They're going to...doing a
number on us right now."
Freda: "See, it was him that was driving and...and I said: `Look,
look!' And that...on across in front of us...man I turned all the
way around in the front seat and I just kept following it and
following it. And he got...he got almost back to where he was
and..."
Oscar: "I'll tell you where I was really afraid they were going to
grab us. When we were coming down...down the...coming down the
Purchase, there to the...to the Western Kentucky Parkway. That's
where I thought...in between the Purchase and the Parkway is where
they're really going to put the...put the stop on us. I...that
certain hill there along where that Purchase is. This time we got
along there and I didn't...you know, the motor didn't stop or slow
or nothing!"
Mike: "How many times have you had the automobile engine stop on
you?"
Oscar: "Well, two times that I know of, and that was up...that's
the time it happened up there..."
Freda: "We came to a complete stop and then we looked around and
turned around and came back."
Oscar: "And the next time that happened I was by myself coming down
that Purchase there that night. And the car motor stopped and I
kept seeing this light off up there and I said: `Dad-gone-it, I'm
not going to let that happen to me tonight. I'm not going to let it
happen!' But I don't know, I...I think it happened anyway and I
didn't have anything to say about it, because it got dark again just
like before on me."
Mike: "So, you feel that humans are totally defenseless against
these beings?"
Oscar: "Yea, they are!"
Freda: "Oh! He made a remark...what was it you made a remark one
time? You made a remark about: `Well they could take care of
armies,' or something."
Oscar: "Oh, I...yea. I made this statement. I was...like I said,
I was talking to this psychiatrist, you know? And I was explaining
this to him, you know. And I said: `You know, if they wanted
to, they could shut down armies.' I said: `There wouldn't be one
thing on this Earth that would move...that's mechanical...to make
war. If they want to shut it down, it'll stop! It'll cease!'"
Mike: "Who was this Psychiatrist?"
Oscar: "He's a V.A. Psychologist that I talked to. And he said...
he told me: `Don't talk about this to anybody, because they'll want
to put you down on the funny farm!'"
Freda: "Oh yea, you really...he really encouraged us to knock it
off!"
Oscar: "So...yea. He..."
Mike: "Would it be possible for me to get his name and phone number
from you?"
Oscar: (Laughs)
Mike: "Can you...this is the purpose of the investigation...is to
corroborate evidence."
Freda: "I don't think he'd be too happy about it, do you?"
Oscar: "I don't think he'd be too happy at all about it. You know,
he wouldn't want to be...in fact he was so adamant about me talking
about this it wasn't even funny. He said: `Just don't talk about
it.' He said: `Because it makes you look rather odd.' And I
thought...sitting in that chair, I thought how odd I'd look."
Freda: "Well, he didn't believe it!"
Oscar: "I thought how odd I really was anyway, you know? But..."
Freda: "Oscar! Don't you think I've said to much?"
Oscar: "I understood...I understood what his feelings were, and I
knew where he was coming from."
Mike: "He was scared. Wasn't he?"
Oscar: "Well. (pause) You see...here is a man who has taken up
Psychology, psychiatric things and I...of course I've...I've read
this lady psychologist, Cathy Horney and...how did the book go?
Psycholo...psychiatry and neurosis...and there are so many different
types of neurosis...in this book. And I...and I was reading in
there and I was trying to find out if any of those patterns of
neurosis really fitted me. And the more I read, the more I realized
that there wasn't any pattern there or any particular pattern that
would fit me. There just wasn't any there. So, I just...I just
more or less did a ninety-nine away from all of that. And then I
decided a few years ago when..."
Freda: "He said: `Well maybe they would try to put me in a funny
farm.'"
Oscar: "Well...I don't...I decided a few years ago when they...that
nobody would really be interested in...in knowing about this. I
just more or less...we just put this (the UFO model he had made) in
the closet and I forgot about it for how many years Freda, did I
forget...forget this?"
Freda: "Oh, last three or four years when...you've been real busy."
Mike: (I then showed Oscar and Freda Jordan excerpts of about ten
minutes from the "Meier Chronicles" and Oscar said he had seen some
of the same movements and displays of anomalous activity himself.)
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This concludes the preliminary interview. Since then I have
continued to visit with Oscar and Freda Jordan on numerous
occasions. He continually tells the same story. I feel he has not
told us anywhere near all of what happened to him during his April,
1973 abduction. I hope that at a future time he will open up to me
and share all that he remembers. We have introduced Oscar to a
hypnotist, but at this time he does not have the trust necessary to
allow those events stored in his subconscious to come to the
conscious level.
Oscar does not think that the average human has the necessary
discernment to comprehend the true facts here. He feels the truth
would simply confuse and frighten the majority of humanity. Oscar
is not concerned about the future of the Earth, as a planet, being
destroyed. He feels these Beings who appear in our sky's are in
total control of the major events which take place on this Earth.
He does not think they will sit idly by and let us destroy this
beautiful planet in a nuclear holocaust. As he says: "They could
shut down anything on this Earth that would move...that's mechanical
...to make war. If they want to shut it down, it'll stop! It'll
cease!"
If that is the case, if there are Beings who care enough about
the Earth and/or its inhabitants, or both, then maybe there is a
future for us after all.
This is not the end of Oscar's story, it's only the beginning.
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