Questions about PROTECTION part ten (of ten)
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From: M14494@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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Hmmm..., let's see if I've got this right: Dead cow ==> Galactic
civilization, faster-than-light travel, and probably anti-gravity".
Yup, makes perfect sense to me. Where do I send my money?
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From: craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
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Date: 6 Aug 91 18:06:14 GMT
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In article <1991Aug6.142130.3540@cadence.com>, jdm@cadence.com (Joe
Mastroianni) writes:
> In article <1991Aug5.190220.16288@auc.trw.com> etuggle@dora.UUCP
(Eddie Tuggle) writes:
> >Is Whitley Strieber generaly considered to be an athority, reliable?
I have read Communion
> >and found it quite interesting.
...
> I wouldn't personally consider Mr. Strieber to be an authority. He is
> simply the highest paid. Im not sure what "reliable" means. If it
> means, "should we believe what he says", then , certainly not.
...
> Joe
Personally, I've taken everything Strieber says or writes with a largish
grain of salt ever since I saw him interviewed CBS Nightwatch. He was
plugging one of his books (might have been _Communion_) and talking about
how his editor ran into a couple of the "little people" checking out his
latest volume in a New York City bookstore. Gimme a break!
Craig
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From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Answers #2
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In the past a person expressed a disire to know what book
he or she should read to know more about UFO's. It is my
opinion that a good one to read is Aliens Among us by Ruth
Montgomery. It is a paper back book and can be bought in most
stores. I would recommend all of Ruth Montgomery's book. A reader
of this group once sent E-mail to me and suggested that I read a
book by T. Lobsang Rampa. I agree with him because I have read
all of his books and have exchanged letters with him before.
I have communicated with person by the name of Spangler and I've
sent him one of my TV show tapes and they hope to play in on Austin,
Texas Cable TV. Don Showen and I will be on today, tuesday at 5:30 PM
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Answers #3
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As I was saying, Don Showen will be on with me by tape and he
will be using his meter to show how a person can be regressed back
into previous lives.
I'll leave you with this saying: A wife doesn' mind her husband's
claim that he can read a woman like a book, so long as he does his
reading at home.
Standard Disclaimer.
John.
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From: ctdonath@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl T. Donath)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
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Date: 6 Aug 91 22:52:00 GMT
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In article <860@carbon.crc.ac.uk> sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) writes:
>In article <Aug.4.17.31.19.1991.21862@porthos.rutgers.edu>, mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>>
>> ctdonath@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl T. Donath) writes:
>>
>> From time to time there were comments from aliens/spirits that
>> significant things would be happening soon; ... Has anyone
>> collected these "significant dates" so we can see how often
>> they are professed?
>>
>> ... a good question; but the search list for this will be very long.
>> UFO books and articles dating back at least to the 1950's include
>> references to "the truth" coming out "sometime soon". Sometimes this
>[stuff deleted]
>> Charles
>
>One problem you would have with this is how accurate are the writers
>of the books reporting what the witnesses actually state?
>
>In her book 'Abduction' Jenny Randles mentions, I believe, several
>times that witnesses stating that 'something' will happen in 1992. I
>know of at least one case where the witness states that they have
>never said anything special will happen in 1992. J.R. tends to be
>one of the more level headed authors, so if she can make a mistake
>what chance do you have if you (have to) rely on more sensationilist
>authors?????
>
>STEVE.
>
>
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Unfortunately, most of these "predictions" are open to interpretation.
However, some of them are quite specific (ex. the posting that aliens
will come to whisk willing earthlings off the planet 5 years from now, or
that WWIII was to happen in 1988). Can we get some specific examples
of these "fixed" ones?
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From: kevinc@hp-vcd.HP.COM (Kevin Cyrus)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Hanger 19 and Roswell incident
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>What happened to the people I was talking to about hanger 19 and the Roswell
>incident. Everything just went quiet. No posts, no responses, what in the
>hell is going on here. Someone Emailed me the first part of the radio
>interview in Las Vegas, but where is the rest of this account? Is any one
>getting this message? Am I the only one experiencing this or am I getting
>scenile.
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OOOOOOEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOooooooooo,
Freeze carbon based unit, you have been selected for termination.
Prepare to die Earth scum.
God, some of you guys really live in a closet. WAKE UP !! SMELL
the Neutonion scarploped !!!
Kc
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
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craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
>Personally, I've taken everything Strieber says or writes with a largish
>grain of salt ever since I saw him interviewed CBS Nightwatch. He was
>plugging one of his books (might have been _Communion_) and talking about
>how his editor ran into a couple of the "little people" checking out his
>latest volume in a New York City bookstore. Gimme a break!
If this is your only objection to Strieber, I suggest you re-think
things (and read a bit more). He explains the episode you speak of in
_Transformation_ which is a sequel to _Communion_. What is it you
object to about the story he told?
Personally, I have two things to say about Strieber: (1) I don't
believe he's lying and (2) he's a *lot* smarter than your average
UFO-nut (or average person, for that matter). I'd like to see how *you*
handle the situation he's (apparently) been put into.
BTW, it's comments like yours that have led Strieber to label ufologists
"the cruellest, nastiest and craziest people I have ever encountered."
Do yourself a favor and read his three books (or just _Communion_)
before you criticize. He's spent a *little bit* more time thinking
about this than you, apparently.
>Craig
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From: galen@hoptoad.uucp (Galen Wolf)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Emotional food...
Keywords: "greys", food, gov't coverup
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Date: 7 Aug 91 03:33:13 GMT
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> The only scenario I have been able to come up with in which the alleged
> gov't coverup makes sense, is that the emotional turmoil that would
> result from acknowledging alien visitations would have a very negative
> effect on us all.
How about, if
it were to have a very negative impact on their power over us?
(THEIR = Govt)
> seems to be going along with this coverup. How did the U.S convince
> these nations to go along? What evidence did they present them, and
> what possible arguments could they have used?
government is government, worldwide.
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: neophyte ET-freak needs help
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Date: 6 Aug 91 03:29:49 GMT
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In article <1991Aug2.162015.54744@eagle.wesleyan.edu> tmockler@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>I've just started reading this newsgroup, and I think I should really pursue my
>interest in exterrestrial/UFO stuff... Any suggestions for readings on the
>subject would be appreciated. Thanks -Todd
Books that have made a big impression on me so far include:
"Above Top Secret" by Tim Good
"Night Seige" by J. Allen Hynek, Phil Imbrogno, and Bob Pratt
"Intruders" by Budd Hopkins
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: needles, implants, tissue samples
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In article <9851@awdprime.UUCP> craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
>I'm familiar with abductee claims about having needles stuck into their
>brain and/or having small BB-like implants; what I'm curious about is
>has anyone who claims to have gone through this submitted to a CAT scan
>or exploratory surgery to verify this? Or has any abductee ever died and
>had a thorough autopsy done? Would be interested in the findings.
Whitley Strieber has had some sort of scan done and some sort of objects
appeared on it. I don't know if any abductees have died yet, but it would
be extremely interesting to check for implants when they do. (Unless the
aliens dematerialize them or something.) I haven't heard about any
exploratory surgery either. Some sources (Cooper et. al.) say that the
implants are located such that it would be extremely difficult to get to
them.
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From: revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Answers to questains.
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Date: 7 Aug 91 03:42:22 GMT
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JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
> Goodmorning everyone. It might be best if I answer a few questains
> that has been put forth before going further. Someone ask what is a
> space tape? A space tape is an audio recording on a message from a
> space person. In the case of the ones I was talking about
> it was from beings that are on a higher vibrational frequency than us and
> not is the physical form.
> I must go but will leave you with this saying; May you live all the
> days of your life.
> Standard Disclaimer.
> John.
Well, then, I guess he used an analog recorder working at a VERY high
inches-per-second rate. . .
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From: eherrera@zinfandel.metaphor.com (Eric Herrera)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Lurker's 1st posting
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Date: 7 Aug 91 06:20:38 GMT
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Hello people... I'm a new Usenetter and this is my very first posting
(I'm so excited...). I just thought I'd say that I find the discussions
in this news group very interesting. I've been reading the a.a.v postings
for about a week now, and I'm sure that I will continue to. For what it's
worth, I've read _Communion_ and found it to be *very* unsettling. Ok, all
done... going back to Lurkland...
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From: revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answers #2
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Date: 7 Aug 91 04:19:45 GMT
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JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
> In the past a person expressed a disire to know what book
> he or she should read to know more about UFO's. It is my
> opinion that a good one to read is Aliens Among us by Ruth
> Montgomery. It is a paper back book and can be bought in most
> stores. I would recommend all of Ruth Montgomery's book. A reader
> of this group once sent E-mail to me and suggested that I read a
> book by T. Lobsang Rampa. I agree with him because I have read
> all of his books and have exchanged letters with him before.
> I have communicated with person by the name of Spangler and I've
> sent him one of my TV show tapes and they hope to play in on Austin,
> Texas Cable TV. Don Showen and I will be on today, tuesday at 5:30 PM
T. Lobsang Rampa? Wasn't he that Englishman who claimed to be a
Tibetan holy man? Once wrote that "Einstein, and people like Einstein, said
that the earth was flat?" That Lobsang Rampa?
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From: asiivo@ujocs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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Date: 6 Aug 91 12:00:38 GMT
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k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh Vander Berg) writes:
>In article <91191.083839JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>In my opinion one of the reasons why science has a hard time finding
>>the missing link and how man evolved on earth is that man is not
>>native of this planet but was brought or came here from other planets
>Nice theory, too bad it totally ignores scientific fact. If man was
>brought here from another planet, why the heck does he share 99% of his
>genome with chimps? Answer: He EVOLVED from monkeys. The reason they
>can't find any missing link is because things that lived millions of years
>ago are generally pretty damned hard to find evidence of nowadays. I
>suppose though that you will just argue that whoever put humans here
>genetically engineered us to be very similar to apes. Further and further
>into fantasy we tread....
The reason why the missing links are so hard to find is that there are
no such links at all. A lot of skeletons of apes and people have been
found, but no 'links' between them, we must come to a conclusion that,
simply, there are no such links.
Andreas
found, but whe
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From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: saucer symbols references
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.134131.17818@vicorp.com>
Date: 7 Aug 91 13:41:31 GMT
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Does anyone know of any resources which contain pictures or descriptions
of any symbols purported to be seen inside UFOs or on UFO retrieved
material? For instance, the symbols said to be have seen inside the
Roswell saucer.
--Mark
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From: craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
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Date: 7 Aug 91 12:39:53 GMT
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In article <8753@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu
(Dan Cogswell) writes:
> craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
>
> >Personally, I've taken everything Strieber says or writes with a largish
> >grain of salt ever since I saw him interviewed CBS Nightwatch. He was
> >plugging one of his books (might have been _Communion_) and talking about
> >how his editor ran into a couple of the "little people" checking out his
> >latest volume in a New York City bookstore. Gimme a break!
>
> If this is your only objection to Strieber, I suggest you re-think
> things (and read a bit more). He explains the episode you speak of in
> _Transformation_ which is a sequel to _Communion_. What is it you
> object to about the story he told?
Well, quite frankly, I hadn't seen Charlie Rhodes (the interviewer) so
close to tears of laughter since he interviewed P.J. O'Rourke.
> Personally, I have two things to say about Strieber: (1) I don't
> believe he's lying and (2) he's a *lot* smarter than your average
> UFO-nut (or average person, for that matter). I'd like to see how *you*
> handle the situation he's (apparently) been put into.
Quite frankly, if I woke up in the middle of the night and found one of
those little gray suckers leaning over me, I'd probably have a heart attack
and die.
> BTW, it's comments like yours that have led Strieber to label ufologists
> "the cruellest, nastiest and craziest people I have ever encountered."
My heart bleeds...I'm not a "ufologist" (whatever that is)...I'm just
interested in the truth...this UFO stuff is an interesting phenomena...
have you ever read anything by Carl Jung?
> Do yourself a favor and read his three books (or just _Communion_)
> before you criticize. He's spent a *little bit* more time thinking
> about this than you, apparently.
You got yourself a deal. Soon as the library gets them back in, I'll read
them (I flatly refuse to *pay money* for them! :-)
> --
> Dan Cogswell dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu
> Mostly H20 and whatever pizza and Diet Pepsi digest into
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From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Gnones and things.
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Date: 7 Aug 91 15:32:42 GMT
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In a posting on Aug. 3, l991 there was a posting by Shawn
Beltz that I believe was really good. He really had something to
say and said it. It had to go with religion, gnomes and a few more
things. In regards to this please let me tell your about a incident
that was talked about among people who believe in Flying Saucers.
Quite a few years back there was a earth person who was given a
ride aboard a scout craft and was then taken to a mother ship. He
started talking to the space person in English and remarked that he
was surprised that the space person could talk in his language. The
SP then told him that they had been observing the earth for many
thousands of year and they had been written up in many of our holy
book. He also stated that they were the pillar of cloud by day and
pillar of fire by night that went with the children of Israel, they
opened the Red Sea and knock down the walls of Jericho. The local pepople
due the fact that the space people were so advanced thought they were
Gods. They didn't discourage this because they did the will of the
creator.
That's all for now I'll leave you with this this thought; A person who
does't stand for something, will fall for anything.
Standard Disclaimer.
John.
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From: M14494@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.125233.6926@linus.mitre.org>
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Absence of proof is not proof of absence. What evidence do you have to
support your conclusion?
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From: k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh Vander Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.152430.17799@hobbes.kzoo.edu>
Date: 7 Aug 91 15:24:30 GMT
References: <1991Jul12.205856.26896@bony1.bony.com> <1991Aug3.170949.19919@hobbes.kzoo.edu> <1991Aug6.120038.17853@ujocs.joensuu.fi>
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In article <1991Aug6.120038.17853@ujocs.joensuu.fi> asiivo@ujocs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen) writes:
>k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh Vander Berg) writes:
>
>>In article <91191.083839JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>>In my opinion one of the reasons why science has a hard time finding
>>>the missing link and how man evolved on earth is that man is not
>>>native of this planet but was brought or came here from other planets
>
>>Nice theory, too bad it totally ignores scientific fact. If man was
>>brought here from another planet, why the heck does he share 99% of his
>>genome with chimps? Answer: He EVOLVED from monkeys. The reason they
>>can't find any missing link is because things that lived millions of years
>>ago are generally pretty damned hard to find evidence of nowadays. I
>>suppose though that you will just argue that whoever put humans here
>>genetically engineered us to be very similar to apes. Further and further
>>into fantasy we tread....
>
> The reason why the missing links are so hard to find is that there are
> no such links at all. A lot of skeletons of apes and people have been
> found, but no 'links' between them, we must come to a conclusion that,
> simply, there are no such links.
>
> Andreas
>
Strange, I am aware of many skeletons having been found which were definitely
non-human and non-ape, but primates. But then again, I guess all of the
paleontologists(sp?) are wrong, and you are right. I believe that the
missing link refers to a link between our proto-human ancestors and "apes".
To often people use the "missing link" to totally discount evolution. This
is wrong, looking at one gap in the fossil record does not disprove the
large body of fossil evidence which shows human's evolution from lower
primates.
Also, this attitude "the reason we have never found it is because it does
not exist" I find to be totally repugnant. By this logic, the reason we
have never seen an atom is because they don't exist, the reason we have
never seen an electron is because it doesn't exist.
This viewpoint, aside from being incredible narrow minded,
ignores the fact that the existence of these things can be infered from
other directly observable evidence. We know there are electrons because we
observe phenomenon which can only by explained by the invention of an
electron "model". We also know that the missing link must somehow exist,
and can infer quite alot about what the missing link must be like because of
the body of fossil evidence surrounding this "gap".
--
Josh Vander Berg (k080093@kzoo.edu)
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From: beddow@ux.acs.umn.edu (Jeff Beddow)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: whitley Strieber/reliability
Summary: grain of salt
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It must be remembered that Strieber is a very good science fiction writer. He wrote the book and I believe the screenplay for "Wolfen." While this makes him an eloquent teller of his tale, it also opens up alternate interpretations of his motives...It seems unlikely, but possible, that this is a post-modern version of the Mercury Radio Theater War of the the Worlds?
If I get chased by some ugly little shits with galactic army knives for posting this I will let you know.
-Jeff
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From: ercn67@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answers #2
Message-ID: <12118@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 7 Aug 91 16:36:35 GMT
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JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> A reader
>of this group once sent E-mail to me and suggested that I read a
>book by T. Lobsang Rampa. I agree with him because I have read
>all of his books and have exchanged letters with him before.
T.Lobsang Rampa? The guy with the Third Eye? Mystical Tibetan churches etc?
Didn't I once read somewhere that he was in fact an English accountant
with a fertile imagination? Anyone know the scoop?
-- A Friend of Fernando Poo
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From: francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Francis the Mad)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.163222.19609@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: 7 Aug 91 16:32:22 GMT
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In article <2172@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>, p515dfi@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) writes:
> Rockwell International and NASA were planning a *massive*
> joint exhibition of space exploration this year (1991) but it was delayed
> inexplicably until 1992. In the *official* prospectus for this exhibition,
Sounds like the "The World Will End Tomorrow!" people.
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From: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Lastest on the UK Crop Circles
Message-ID: <1991Aug07.153837.24998@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>
Date: 7 Aug 91 15:38:37 GMT
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Excitement today because there is a formation very near Chequers,
the Prime Ministerial residence in Bucks. This quincunx has a triangle
in place of one satellite, and it is rumoured that this points towards
Chequers. I have only just received this news so as yet have not visited
the site . I will update as soon as possible .
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From: mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <Aug.7.11.15.31.1991.26222@porthos.rutgers.edu>
Date: 7 Aug 91 15:15:32 GMT
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To: etuggle@dora.UUCP
etuggle@dora.UUCP (Eddie Tuggle) write:
Is Whitley Strieber generaly considered to be an athority,
reliable?
... he's certainly an interesting fellow. Along with "Communion", and
"Transformation" (his UFO-related books), he's also written horror
novels - "The Wolfen", "The Hunger", and most recently "The Wild".
As far as I know, he hasn't become one of the UFO-genre "stars" (as
dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) noted, he thinks most
UFO-interested-folk are rude and self-obsessed -- and he's probably
right -- except for everyone who reads this, of course :-).
Hope this helps,
Charles
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From: mcripps@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (michael.j.cripps)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Great Pyramid part 4
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.191630.17704@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Date: 7 Aug 91 19:16:30 GMT
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In article <91206.162505JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
> The entrance way was located exactly 534 feet above the base
> on the north side and constructed in such a manner that the light of
> your pole star would forever shine down the entire length of its 324
> foot corridor to the subterranean chambers. A feat, my brothers, none
> of your more infant races could possible have engineered. This is also
> the direction of your true magnetic north pole. The reason, this was
> constructed so, was to keep the pole star centered, and thus alleviate
> any further axial excursions of your planet.
I guess you failed big time, since the "pole star" is constantly shifting
(albeit slowly) due to the precession of the earth's axis.
> Two hundred forty-three feet below the base rests machines your
> scientists would forever marvel upon.
Did you by any chance just finish watching _Total_Recall_?
> You will notice, my brothers, that of all figures I have mentioned,
> they are all mutiples of the numeral "nine." The reason for this being
> that nine is the key to the mathematical science dealing with magnetics.
Come on, all enlightened beings in the universe know that 23 is the real key...
Er, has anyone ever done a study on the health effects of linear
accelarators on the local employees? I ask merely for information...
Mike Cripps
mcripps@sodium.att.com
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From: mcripps@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (michael.j.cripps)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: t'would make an unusual trophy...
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.185823.16883@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Date: 7 Aug 91 18:58:23 GMT
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> In article <1615@faatcrl.UUCP>, cciolori@faatcrl.UUCP (cciolori) writes:
>
> Yes, I shot one last week. It was a little four foot tall green alien
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> with pointed ears. But I didn't use a rifle or a handgun. I used a laser
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> pistol that I got from planet PC22.
You shot a leprechaun??? Not sure, but that's *gotta* cause some awfully
bad luck :-)
Mike Cripps
mcripps@sodium.att.com
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From: IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Xanadian)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <91219.124511IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Date: 7 Aug 91 16:45:11 GMT
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I heard one date by this crazy bunch of people on alt.slack: 1998.
Normally, I would've shrugged this off and forgot about it.
Now I am not so sure....
I believe that the story goes -- the X-ists are supposed to come
down and take all of the 'slackful' people into space as Earth
destroys itself. Strangely enough, I wrote a book in 1989 where a
group of fifty people leave Earth in their own spaceship during
the year 1998. And they were called Xanadians (hence, my nickname.)
The dates and the use of the letter X is uncanny. Maybe just coincidence...
But I am not so sure....
Anyway... life goes on.
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From: mcripps@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (michael.j.cripps)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Great Pyramid part 4
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.200127.18967@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Date: 7 Aug 91 20:01:27 GMT
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In article <1572@gtx.com>, al@gtx.com (Alan Filipski) writes:
> 534 is not a multiple of 9. But, even if it were, are we to believe that
> the units "feet" and "miles" were in use at the time
> of the construction of the pyramids?
Of course! It's all clear to me now. See, "feet" and "miles" *are* the
alien unit of measure. This explains why the U.S. refuses to switch to
metric, since all of the secret alien technology the US Govt has uses
"english" nuts and bolts. The U.S. is just waiting for the aliens to
publicly arrive in 1992, so they can thumb their noses at the rest of
the metric world. It also gives the US a big jump on implementing the
new alien technology in consumer goods (at last, we can beat Japan!) since
we won't have to re-tool.
It also explains why the alien ships like to crash in the US. It's the
only place on earth they can get spare parts.
:-) included for the obtuse...
Mike Cripps
mcripps@sodium.att.com
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From: sara@nstar.rn.com (Sara Gordon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: authors, addresses and no replies
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Prominent authors re UFO abductions invite people to write to them and give
their experiences. Not only is it difficult to admit to the experience in
the -first- place, to put in in writing and give your address is another big
jump. You'd think they could acknowledge your communique, rather than let
you assume that the 'government who is here to HELP you' has intercepted
your mail, eh? Especially when you enclose a SSE.
*hint--letters go unacknowledged, even when you have a lot of what would
appear to be interesting data. Makes one wonder why they include their
address. How many people can be writing detailed accounts of alien tracking,
and enclose SSE for acknowledgement?
--
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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: new reader
Summary: howdy
Keywords: hello
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I have read a bit of the posts to this group with a mix of humor and
sadness.
In any dealing with UFO's as a possible scientific study, one runs into
enough fraud-mongering hoax artists to render doing so virtually impossible.
Then all the nay-sayers get up and point fingers saying, "you see? it's all
bullshit!"
I had never really put a lot of stock into the "little green men" thing.
A great number of UFO reports are easily debunked...but, there are those
few percent that even the best USAF bullshitters couldn't explain.
Recently, I read the new book on the Roswell incident. The authors
have done a very credible job, IMHO, of writing this book with a
minimum (like, virtually NONE) of the so-called "new age" hype, the
psychic connections hype, or other assorted hokey-isms. They stayed
very much with the facts as they were able to determine them. I feel
like they made a convincing case that whatever crashed out there was NO
weather balloon, or target balloon or ANY balloon. I am not really sure
what to think about all of it - in the upbringing I had complete
with Christian beliefs (many of which I find fairly bogus) there really
wasn't anything that would prepare a person to think about people
from other worlds.
After studying Sagan and Shklovski's (spelling?) book "Intelligent Life
in the Universe", I had to agree that the odds of there being other
critters than us are pretty good, even if such worlds might be few and
far between.
So here's a question thrown open to everyone who reads/posts to this
group, a multi part question really -
What do YOU think happened at Roswell and do you think there may indeed
be other worlds with a form of life at *least* as intelligent as our own?
Please try to be serious about this - the way the question is worded
is NOT intended to be biased in any way.
Duane
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From: IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Xanadian)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: SURVEY #2... Continue if you have done survey 1.
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IF YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETED SURVEY #1, PLEASE LEAVE THIS ARTICLE AND
DO SURVEY #1.
19. Name 5 of your favorite movies.
19a. Name your most favorite RECENT movie.
20. What political party (if any) do you belong to?
21. Name 5 _modern_ tunes (if any) (since 1988) that you like.
(followup to #5.)
22. Do you belong to any clubs/organizations?
22a. If YES, then name no more than five of them.
23. Y/N/M Do you think, or, do you consider yourself creative? (*) How?
(clarify a Maybe)
24. Name your favorite _type_ or style of music, if any. If more than
one, name them.
25. Name your favorite form(s) of entertainment.
25a. What type of movie/TV show do you prefer the most? Comedy? Drama? Etc.
26* Assume you are on a planet with no name (followup to number 9). What
name would you give it--
26a* ...if it was a desert planet?
26b* ...if it was a tropical planet?
26c* ...if it was a frozen planet?
26d* ...if it were just like Earth (except there are no people but you and
some others..no pollution, roads, buildings, etc.)?
26e* If a new civilization was to be established here, what would you do
to help it along? Or, rather, what part(s), if any, would you take
in the starting of this community?
27. Do you or have you ever held a position of leadership to any degree?
(have you ever led people)
28. What games do you like to play, if any?
29. Followup to number 8: If this person promoted over you was of EQUAL
competence and ability as you, would you be upset?
29a* If this person was of another sex or race? (remember that a * means
the question is optional!)
30* Truly one of the most debated moral(?) dilemmas in history-- What do
you think about abortion? (remember the *)
This is it. I doubt that there are any other questions so far...
Just as a sneak preview...
The results of the first survey are somewhat like this...
1. Most people don't consider themselves leaders.
2. Most people aren't satisfied with their government. (what news!)
3. Most people don't believe in God, and most don't believe in a soul of
some kind.
4. Most people consider themselves in fairly good shape.
5. Most people have a diversifying range of likes in music... and there
has only been three pop songs (top 40) out of hundreds recorded!!!
6. Most people believe that there are intelligent beings in space (not
of this planet, that is)
7. Most people know what xanadu is, and most have quoted the poem as
the source. About 20% have noted a song by Rush, which is news to me,
as well as it being some kind of heaven (another 20%).
8. Most people would only be bothered by being promoted over if they were
more qualified than the person promoted.
9. UNANIMOUSLY would people be willing to travel in space!
9a. Most people would like to inhabit another planet
9b. Most people would want to see a democratic form of government.
9c. Most people would NOT want to be a leader in this government (ie President
or something like that.)
10. Most people surveyed are around the age of 25.
11. Single and married are tied for most common. No divorced yet.
12. Most people hold jobs as software engineers.
13. Most people are not superstitious (almost unanimously)
14. Most people do not believe in ghosts (spooks).
15. Most people are able to vote and most do.
16. Most people do nothing about the political shnook.
17. The favorite year so far was 1991. There was one who liked 1917.
18. Most people thought that a sequel is not as good as the first.
....except for Terminator 2.
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From: cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answers #2
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.223224.3368@aifh.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 7 Aug 91 22:32:24 GMT
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In article <12118@castle.ed.ac.uk> ercn67@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>T.Lobsang Rampa? The guy with the Third Eye? Mystical Tibetan churches etc?
>Didn't I once read somewhere that he was in fact an English accountant
>with a fertile imagination? Anyone know the scoop?
I thought an English plumber. When challenged he explained the Lobsang
stuff as being memories of other lives.
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Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aipna +44 (0)31 667 1011 x2550
Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205
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From: cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.223917.3541@aifh.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 7 Aug 91 22:39:17 GMT
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In article <1991Aug6.120038.17853@ujocs.joensuu.fi> asiivo@ujocs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen) writes:
>The reason why the missing links are so hard to find is that there are
>no such links at all. A lot of skeletons of apes and people have been
>found, but no 'links' between them, we must come to a conclusion that,
>simply, there are no such links.
You are wrong. As far as precursors of modern man are concerned, very
few have been found. The total number of bones found would not even
cover the floor of a large room. The same goes for ape precursors. Hence
it is hardly surprising that we have not yet found specimens of the much
smaller population of "missing links". We are not yet even sure what
part of the world to look for them in.
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Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aipna +44 (0)31 667 1011 x2550
Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205
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From: dreyer@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Jonathan Dreyer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Gnones and things.
Message-ID: <dreyer.681609272@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu>
Date: 7 Aug 91 23:54:32 GMT
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I think BIFF has finally been revealed!
Jonathan Dreyer, M.S. (415)750-2179 (work) 788-8845 (home)
Dept Veterans Affairs Med Center
4150 Clement Street
San Francisco CA 94121 USA Internet: dreyer@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu
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From: kevinc@hp-vcd.HP.COM (Kevin Cyrus)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Lurker's 1st posting
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>/ hp-vcd:alt.alien.visitors / eherrera@zinfandel.metaphor.com (Eric Herrera) / 11:20 pm Aug 6, 1991 /
> I just thought I'd say that I find the discussions
> in this news group very interesting.
Hmmmmmmm,....this guy almost sounds like he could be annnn.....hmmmmmm.
> I've been reading the a.a.v postings for about a week now,
> and I will continue to do so.
I'll bet this guy/? really is an Alien.
> For what it's worth, I've read _Comminion_ and found it to be *very*
unsettling.
Now I KNOW he's an Alien !!
_______________
Just kidding, I too am kinda new to the group. The subject matter
at first seemed very intriging. But alas, it never failed, every time
a good base note came up that had promise for good factual discussion; it
would quickly degenerate to a mere pile of intergalactic poo poo. IMHO,
this group could stand alot more factual clarifications and scientific
study references. The *Top Secret* or *mystic* overtones included in some
of the base notes just comes across as hypoholical pomposity. Just
currious,.... do any of you guys write for the Enquirer ?
Sorry to sound so negative, but I feel this group has more
actual scientific potential than what it's been plagued with so far,
i.e. *Tour of the Galaxy* ???? Stop Poking People In The Butt.
and lets see some worthwhile discussions.
______________________________________________________________________
| Kevin Cyrus And thats the trouble with Aliens, |
| Hewlett Packard you just don't know. Oh sure sometimes |
| Vancouver Wa. you meet a nice one; Star Man, E.T. |
| But most of the time, they just turn |
| out to be just some big lizard. |
|________________________________________________________G.BstersII__|
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From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Gnones and things.
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.215341.6952@bony1.bony.com>
Date: 7 Aug 91 21:53:41 GMT
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In article <91219.073242JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> That's all for now I'll leave you with this this thought; A person who
>does't stand for something, will fall for anything.
I thought this was sci.skeptic.
I didn't realize it had become rec.music.country.western! =8^)
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From: kevinq@ingres.com (Kevin Quinn)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answers to questains.
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.182425.22205@pony.Ingres.COM>
Date: 7 Aug 91 18:24:25 GMT
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In article <91218.074352JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
>Someone ask what is a
>space tape? A space tape is an audio recording on a message from a
>space person. In the case of the ones I was talking about
>it was from beings that are on a higher vibrational frequency than us and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Huh? Can you spell tautology,
John?
Now come on and admit it - your address is a fake. Your ramblings,
misspellings, and naivete indicate, perhaps, a high school freshman -
_not_ someone in a institute of 'higher' learning! But then, we're
talking Stanford here... hmmmm.....
kbq
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ai-trad
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Date: 7 Aug 91 03:57:30 GMT
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Thanks for cross-posting that, Mike. I haven't had a chance to call
Paranet recently.
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From: urbanf@tuura.UUCP (Urban Fredriksson)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: SURVEY #2... Continue if you have done survey 1.
Message-ID: <1320@tuura.UUCP>
Date: 8 Aug 91 05:27:14 GMT
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IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Xanadian) writes:
>21. Name 5 _modern_ tunes (if any) (since 1988) that you like.
To me, modern music started _at_least_ in the 1950's!
>26* Assume you are on a planet with no name (followup to number 9). What
> name would you give it--
>26a* ...if it was a desert planet?
>26b* ...if it was a tropical planet?
>26c* ...if it was a frozen planet?
You must have read too much Flash Gordon and seen too many
Star Wars movies. Never occured to you that most inhabitable
planets would be _all_ of the above, at the same time?
--
Urban Fredriksson, Stockholm, Sweden (who speaks ONLY for himself!)
"We are all naked under our clothes."
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From: bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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Date: 7 Aug 91 20:54:28 GMT
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stephens@ipc1.lat.oz.au (Philip J Stephens) writes:
> In article <773@rc6.urc.tue.nl> wsadjw@urc.tue.nl writes:
> >In article <1991Aug5.084242.3359@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se writes
> >>But there is also a lot of evidence which does not fit the
> >>evolution theory.
> >
> >Such as?
>
> Well, try giving a convincing set of transitionary forms from the reptile
> lung to the avian lung for starters. And how about a convincing set of
> forms from the reptile scales to the avian feather.
> Actually, why don't you just give us all the necessary transitionary
> forms from every "known ancestor" to every species today. That would be
> convincing enough for me.
> And whilst you're at it, throw in an explanation for why the percentage
> difference between the DNA of a given reptile and *all* mammals is the same,
> regardless of the fact that different mammals should evolve at different
> rates.
> Finally, give us the latest estimate on how probable it was for the first
> replicating molecule to evolve in a single step.
>
Well, for how life started on Earth, there are two possibilities. The
arbitrarily chosen first possibility is pretty interesting, but probably
absurd to even the truest of true Visitor believers. Consider this: (perhaps
this should be in alt.paranormal) Poltergeists are believed to be physical
manifestations of intense emotions of the persom with whom the poltergeist
is associated. If emotions can produce this much of an effect, moving
objects, starting fires, and such, then it would follow that emotions could
probably be a pretty powerful creative force. Well, there is a Tibetan (I
think it's Tibetan) tribe that uses a ritual that allows them to create
things through concentration.
Now, if we go with the belief that emotions are a creative force, then
perhaps SOMEONE out there would create life simply to produce this creative
force, or "loosh" (I'll put my source at the end). Now, it is also perhaps
possible that this "loosh" is released through any form of conflict, death,
etc, where in plants it is converted from raw solar energy and IS the very
structure of the plant itself. Now, through death, conflict, and such, the
"loosh" produced would be crude, and necessarily refined in order to be of
any use. (Dead plants don't move furniture.) As more predators, and levels
in the food web were produced, more "loosh" was released. Until one day,
when this "someone" happened to notice a small amount of the refined "loosh"
mixed with the unrefined. This individual went to his "garden" and saw one
of its "creations" was LONELY. So this individual proceded to split every
entity in half, creating male and female, and placed a small part of itself
within every one, so that the desire for union both with its other half and
its creator would release refined "loosh".
Sounds kind of like Genesis, doesn't it? Anyway, my source for that was a
"brochure" printed in Far Journeys by Robert Monroe.
Now, perhaps the tenders of this "garden", and the effectors of the
genetic changes, were the "visitors" which are so popular... just maybe...
--
Blake (bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM)
Spies in the Wire, PUBLIC ACCESS UNIX -- (408) 867-7400
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From: bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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Date: 7 Aug 91 21:01:43 GMT
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jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni) writes:
> I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
> multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
> with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
>
[lines deleted]
It makes perfect sense, when you consider that perhaps they are attempting
to "ready" our society for the shock of finding out we're NOT alone.
--
Blake (bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM)
Spies in the Wire, PUBLIC ACCESS UNIX -- (408) 867-7400
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From: bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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Date: 7 Aug 91 21:05:21 GMT
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cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
> In article <1991Aug6.001828.26671@latcs1.lat.oz.au> stephens@ipc1.lat.oz.au (
> >In article <773@rc6.urc.tue.nl> wsadjw@urc.tue.nl writes:
> >>In article <1991Aug5.084242.3359@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se write
> >>>But there is also a lot of evidence which does not fit the
> >>>evolution theory.
>
> >>Such as?
>
> > Well, try giving a convincing set of transitionary forms from the reptile
> >lung to the avian lung for starters. And how about a convincing set of
> >forms from the reptile scales to the avian feather.
>
> This request is a waste of net bandwidth. You can easily find this kind
> of stuff in modern popular evolutionary works, such as the writings of
> Gould and Dawkins.
>
> > Actually, why don't you just give us all the necessary transitionary
> >forms from every "known ancestor" to every species today. That would be
> >convincing enough for me.
>
> Ho ho, killing sarcasm. What do you want before you decide to marry -- a
> comparative biography of every living woman?
>
> > And whilst you're at it, throw in an explanation for why the percentage
> >difference between the DNA of a given reptile and *all* mammals is the same,
> >regardless of the fact that different mammals should evolve at different
> >rates.
>
> Why don't you try *learning* a little? The answer is well known: almost
> all DNA is idle, and does not contribute to the expressed genotype. The
> measurement of difference is the measurement of the background rate of
> mutation in the idle DNA, and has been well established by many
> experiments to run at a constant rate. That's the experimental basis on
> which genetic clocking depends.
>
> > Finally, give us the latest estimate on how probable it was for the first
> >replicating molecule to evolve in a single step.
>
> Since nobody thinks this happened, what is your interest in knowing the
> probability?
>
[lines deleted]
Actually, I don't know how a self replicating molecule could evolve in
MULTIPLE steps, because I would assume that evolution requires some form of
replication.
--
Blake (bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM)
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From: christ@cie.uoregon.edu (Christian G. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Summary: """"BOB ATE MY BABY!""""
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The Xanadian types:
>
> I believe that the story goes -- the X-ists are supposed to come
>down and take all of the 'slackful' people into space as Earth
>destroys itself. Strangely enough, I wrote a book in 1989 where a
>group of fifty people leave Earth in their own spaceship during
>the year 1998. And they were called Xanadians (hence, my nickname.)
1998 pops up in alot of places, the least credible of which is the BOB
movement. Their book, the "Book of BOB", is a joke. Literally. I don't know
how much you know about them, but the religion itself is a spoof on religions:
the main goal is to break away from the church and start your own. =)
While a clever and often humorous bit of fiction, it shouldn't be confused
with an honest-ta-goodness RELIGION (i.e. having mystical insight into the
future through divine/extraterrestrial intervention). It's only good for a
good yuk now and then, and more importantly to keep yourself from being too
serious.
Oh yeah, and it's also great for stencil-spraying BOB's face on cop cars
downtown. =)
"In '98 we _ALL_ rotate..." - INXS
Colored lights can hypnotize,
'00j27>Possum_Dark
christ@cie.uoregon.edu
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************************** I don't dare ask what it all means...
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From: JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu (Joe Cool)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Movie "Communion"
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I just finished watching the above mentioned movie before coming into work
tonite.....good movie.
I have my own beliefs of what is and what isn't, and although I've never seen
any aliens, I don't rule them out as existing....I've never seen an honest poli
tician, but I don't rule them out of existeince either....maybe on the extinct
list, but that's another item of discussion.
Anyhow, the movie makes a person think, and it is realistic as far as how
the main character (Strieber is the guys name...also author of the book)
deals with the situation. I'm not going to tell how he dealt with it, that
would ruin the purpose of the movie/book, but I do advise anyone who is
interested in UFO's, be they a skeptic or a believer, to read the book or
see the movie.
This movie is one where you have to pay attention to everything that is
said or you miss a point that comes in later on. It is not a boring
documentary or just a list of encouters...it's more on the "here's my story
take it or leave it" level.
I liked it. For those of you who have SHOWTIME (the pay channel), it is
showing this month at different times, and I also heard that it is available
on video at most video rental stores.
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From: eherrera@zinfandel.metaphor.com (Eric Herrera)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Reading material
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Over the last few days some posters have recommended reading material on
the subject of this group. Specifically mentioned were the Streiber books
(with which I am already familiar), something called _Aliens Among Us_
(I think) and a few others. I would appreciate someone sending me a
*short* bibliography -- I'd particularly like the info on _Aliens..._
and a few other "must reads."
One question... I presume that we are all familiar with the plain of
Nazca in Peru (big ground etchings of monkeys, hummingbirds, spiders and
other things discernable only from a pretty good altitude, and supposedly
quite old)... any theories, debunks, etc.? Is this a FAQ?
Thank you so very much...
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From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: needles, implants, tissue samples
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In article <jms.5643@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> In article <9851@awdprime.UUCP> craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
> >I'm familiar with abductee claims about having needles stuck into their
> >brain and/or having small BB-like implants; what I'm curious about is
>
> Whitley Strieber has had some sort of scan done and some sort of objects
> appeared on it. I don't know if any abductees have died yet, but it would
[stuff deleted]
As I understand it a couple of bright spots were found on Whitley's CAT
scan. Speaking to people who know more about CAT scans than I, I believe
that these Anomolous Bright Objects are seen in a proportion (the figure
5%, if I recall correctly) of otherwise normal brains. As usual care
should be exercised in interperating the data. These are just bright spots
which show up on the CAT scan, there is no evidence of them being
implants or anythingelse. I am not aware that Whitley himself has made
any claims about these spots.
We could now enter the field of speculation! If the bright spots DID
turn out to implants this might suggest that up to 1 in 20 people were
abductees (i.e. 5%). At a recent conference I heard the quote that
'many more people than we thought, maybe 1 in 40 of the population have
been abducted'. (I cannot remember who told me this otherwise I would
point the finger :) ) The 'classic' picture is that humans are abducted
by extraterrestrials in flying saucers. If we then try to apply a little
bit of logic to this using the lower 'estimate' of 1 in 40 :-
If we take the U.S. population as being 250 million
and abductions occuring for the last 40 years this
would suggest
6,250,000 people had been abducted in the U.S.
which is 156,250 per year or
428 per day !
Remember that would be for the U.S. alone on
the basis of the 1 in 40 people I was quoted
That is without anythingelse 'they' might get
up to like cattle mutilations. No doubt NASA
would be pleased with 10% of the budget these
guys would have!!!!!
What I am trying to convey is that we should try to think through
carefully the implications of things like '1 in 40 people have been
abducted' and urge further caution in assigning abduction to ET's.
Having urged caution, some further observation/speculation!
Thinking about abductee case reports I have read there might be a
kind of consistency with some form of controlling implant. In
Streibers case the 'visitors' came just as he was falling asleep.
In the Communion film they seem to insert a needle somewhere behind
his ear. It could be argued that an implant inserted here could be
placed in brain stem centres which there is some evidence are involved
in sleep. Likewise in Cathy Davies case (from Budd Hopkins book Intruders)
she seems to be abducted when gets the compulsion to visit the local
late night store to buy Coke or snacks. She describes implants inserted
up her nose. Would such an implant be placed in hypothalamic centres
which control feeding behaviour? In Ed Walters case (Gulf Breeze) he
describes hearing a loud buzzing noise just before the UFO's appear. He
also describes having an implant inserted in his temple. I believe
that around this area of the brain is where hearing is resolved.
In summary, I am uneasy at buying the ET's, abduction and implant
scenario as it is normally sold. But then again if we adopt the
attitude there ain't no ET's and there ain't no implants why to some
of the witnesses describe the effects you might expect if they did
have an implant??!!!!
STEVE.
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(Disclaimer: These are not my employer's opinions, they may not even be mine!)
Steve Gamble, Computing Services,
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From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
Message-ID: <863@carbon.crc.ac.uk>
Date: 8 Aug 91 13:07:04 GMT
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In article <2172@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>, p515dfi@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) writes:
> From: huw@spls5.ccs.mt.nec.co.jp (Huw Jonathan Rogers)
>
> I recently heard a Radio One program in the UK that contained
> an interview with a leading proponent of the popular "US Government has
> aliens locked up and is experimenting with their spaceplanes" conspiracy
> theory. However this particular individual sounded very reasonable, did
> not make any outrageous claims, and further had some interesting facts
> to disclose. In particular he mentioned several verifiable facts which
[lots deleted]
This sounds as if it is a chap called Tim Good who has just written a
book called Alien Liason.
I have started reading this and have so far reached about half way. In
my opinion some of the evidence Tim presents is very thin. Maybe it
gets better as the book goes on. The book concerns stories of crashed
saucers, cattle mutilations (the book mentions a number of incidents
from Colorado, so perhaps this is the state you were thinking of?) and
government cover-ups and similar type information. I will reserve
final judgement until I have finished the book
STEVE.
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From: craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: whitley Strieber/reliability
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Date: 8 Aug 91 12:04:46 GMT
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In article <beddow.681580090@ux.acs.umn.edu>, beddow@ux.acs.umn.edu
(Jeff Beddow) writes:
> It must be remembered that Strieber is a very good science fiction writer.
^^^^^^^^^
Having (at the wife's insistance) struggled through _Nature's End_ and
half of _War Day_, I wouldn't go so far as to say he's "very good" at
all (of course, it must be stated that the books I attempted were joint
ventures between him and some other guy). The guy reminds me of L. Ron
Hubbard.
> If I get chased by some ugly little shits with galactic army knives for
> posting this I will let you know.
Please do, and the same goes for me...open message to any ETs who might
be monitoring this network: Stop on by! I'll acquaint you with my
collection of 9mm ammo ;-)
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From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Solar Tour part#5
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(Monka speaking)
Now, let us leave this one and spiral outwards again. And lo, what
do we behold but a swirling dirvish, a ring of tiny fragments --that
known to you as the asteroid belt -- the remains of a planet (Maldek).
These remnants whirl around my planet and that one from whioch life sprang
in this system.
We look closer now and behold the mightiest of all the planerts in
this Solar System, the one known as Jupiter. Truly, this is a singular
sight to gaze upon, with its many moons circling about it -- those that
were created and those natural from the point of ceation. We look down
on size that begins to dim one's comprehension of size. We see huge
cloud flotillas, mighty land masses, tremendous oceans, and the oldest
civilization prevalent in this Solar System. Here reside those beings
which overlook MAN's affairs in this sector of space.
Gotta go.
Standard Disclaimer.
No saying this time.
John.
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From: ewf2@ra.MsState.Edu (Juice S. Aaron)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Communion question
Summary: I wanna know if the movie was true to the book.
Keywords: communion
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A few months ago I picked up and read the vast majority of
the book called Communion. What the book had to say
was quite interesting and sometimes somewhat shocking
for me. I spent many a night wondering if big ugly
aliens with spindly arms would come waltzing down my
hall (or if they already had and I just didn't remember
it.) Then I heard that there was a movie based on
the book and after waiting millenia for it to be
released on video was able to watch it.
I noticed that the screenplay for the movie was
written by Streiber himself so I thought
we'll get the real picture that was presented in
the book. Now I watched the movie and afterwards
I found myself wondering if it was actually true to the
book. Several minor little things were changed, (such
as the gender of the psychiatrist he went to) but nothing
major seemed out of place until the scene near the end with
the aliens in suit coats and the strangeness that went on then.
I seem to remember the movie having something really
out of place near the end that involved the aliens
dressed up like humans who removed their faces to show
human faces under them. I don't seem to remember that
from the book. (Not to say it wasn't in the book as I
didn't read some bits of the book as well as I read other
bits)
Did the movie stick to the book or did streiber take
liberties with his own supposedly true story?
JSA
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: whitley Strieber/reliability
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beddow@ux.acs.umn.edu (Jeff Beddow) writes:
>It must be remembered that Strieber is a very good science fiction writer. He wrote the book and I believe the screenplay for "Wolfen." While this makes him an eloquent teller of his tale, it also opens up alternate interpretations of his motives...It seems unlikely, but possible, that this is a post-modern version of the Mercury Radio Theater War of the the Worlds?
Isn't _Wolfen_ a horror story? _Warday_ is probably science fiction,
but he did a lot of research for that and it's based on reality.
Besides, _Communion_ and _Transformation_ *are not* science fiction.
There's very little that's "scientific" about them and they *are not*
fiction (according to the author).
The point is, though: he's an *author*. I don't think the abduction
books he's written are typical of his style. Would he be more credible
to you if he was a romance novel writer? Did you ever think whoever's
doing this to him chose him for his story-writing abilities?
He's stated plainly and taken lie-detector tests demonstrating that his
story is true. He *believes* it's true; now it's just a matter of
whether he's crazy or not.
Of course, offering to donate all proceeds from his books to an
organization in charge of investigating UFOs would lend some
credibility, but the man's gotta eat ( and he spent a lot of time on the
books).
>-Jeff
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <1991Aug8.154720.18823@cadence.com>
Date: 8 Aug 91 15:47:20 GMT
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In article <Aug.7.11.15.31.1991.26222@porthos.rutgers.edu> mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>
> etuggle@dora.UUCP (Eddie Tuggle) write:
> Is Whitley Strieber generaly considered to be an athority,
> reliable?
>
>... he's certainly an interesting fellow. Along with "Communion", and
>"Transformation" (his UFO-related books), he's also written horror
>novels - "The Wolfen", "The Hunger", and most recently "The Wild".
>
> As far as I know, he hasn't become one of the UFO-genre "stars" (as
>dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) noted, he thinks most
>UFO-interested-folk are rude and self-obsessed -- and he's probably
>right -- except for everyone who reads this, of course :-).
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Charles
Yes, he writes a lot of books. He makes quite a bit of money on them.
He received a one million dollar ADVANCE on "Communion". The
profit motive is certainly there.
The truth, or lack thereof, of the subject matter is certainly in
question. However, I do believe he feels he is telling the "truth".
Joe
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
Message-ID: <1991Aug8.155535.20373@cadence.com>
Date: 8 Aug 91 15:55:35 GMT
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In article <kLmB73w164w@doomsday.Spies.COM> bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake) writes:
>jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni) writes:
>
>> I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
>> multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
>> with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
>>
>[lines deleted]
>It makes perfect sense, when you consider that perhaps they are attempting
>to "ready" our society for the shock of finding out we're NOT alone.
>
>--
>Blake (bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM)
>
>Spies in the Wire, PUBLIC ACCESS UNIX -- (408) 867-7400
Actually, my point is: Why would an advanced civilization regard our form
of government as a vehicle to communicate or control the masses? When
we take eggs from chickens, we don't bother to ask the "head rooster". We
go right to the chickens. Its easier.
Joe
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: needles, implants, tissue samples
Message-ID: <1991Aug8.160450.21836@cadence.com>
Date: 8 Aug 91 16:04:50 GMT
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In article <862@carbon.crc.ac.uk> sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) writes:
>In article <jms.5643@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>> In article <9851@awdprime.UUCP> craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
>> >I'm familiar with abductee claims about having needles stuck into their
>> >brain and/or having small BB-like implants; what I'm curious about is
>>
>> Whitley Strieber has had some sort of scan done and some sort of objects
>> appeared on it. I don't know if any abductees have died yet, but it would
>[stuff deleted]
>
>As I understand it a couple of bright spots were found on Whitley's CAT
>scan. Speaking to people who know more about CAT scans than I, I believe
>--
>(Disclaimer: These are not my employer's opinions, they may not even be mine!)
>Steve Gamble, Computing Services,
>Clinical Research Centre, Watford Road, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 3UJ, UK.
>Phone: 081 869 3293 JANET: s.gamble@uk.ac.crc INTERNET: s.gamble@crc.ac.uk
I think Strieber also says in "Communion" that the same thing happens to
his son. When he takes his kid to a pediatrician, the doctor looks up the
kids nose and says he dosent see anything abnormal. Just some openings in
the upper part of the nasal cavity which seem to be common in kids.
You are then supposed to wonder, as a thinking reader, why the hell is it
common for kids to have needle holes in the top of their nasal cavity?
I have a close friend who is a pediatrician. He dosent think its common
for kids to have needle holes in their nasal cavities, unless they
stuck pencils up their noses.
Are any of you pediatricians?
From my own childhood, and my own brief experience as a parent, I know
that it is not uncommon to have a child wake up with a nosebleed. This
has always been attributed to dry conditions and viruses. I have never
suspected brain implants.
One way to scare people is to give them weird explanations for very common
experiences.
Joe
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From: anachem@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (mark s gilstrap)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Shattering Assault [part 2]
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UFO's: The "Shattering Assault"
PART 2
by Father Alexey Young
'Orthodox America' issue #88
transcribed and posted with the permission of the publisher
No Orthodox Christian even slightly versed in the lives of the
saints and the writings of the Holy Fathers can fail to understand what
is happening here. The similarities between Streiber's experiences (and
those of other UFO "contactees") and the demonic warfare of the saints is
compelling. The author himself even describes peculiar smells associated
with his "visitors" -- among them, a "sulfur-like" odor which he compares
to the head of a matchstick. His "visitors" have frightening, insect-like
heads with enormous eyes that he associates with statues of the pagan
goddess Ishtar. In 'Transformation' he writes:
"I felt an absolutely indescribable sense of menace. It was hell
on earth to be there, and yet I couldn't move, couldn't cry out, and
couldn't get away. I lay as still as death, suffering inner agonies.
Whatever was there seemed so monstrously ugly, so filthy and dark and
sinister ... I still remember that thing crouching there, so terribly
ugly, its arms and legs like limbs of a great insect, its eyes glaring at
me."
In his second book Streiber concludes that many of the "close
encounters" he has had (and is still having) are for the purpose of
"shattering my belief in the accepted paradigm of reality. And it
succeeded very well ... I suspect that experiences such as [these] are
the outcomes of a fundamental shift of mind. They are what happens when
people begin to abandon the old, *false* beliefs..." Truer words were
never spoken.
Although Streiber now believes that his "visitors" are extra-
terrestrials and have a physical reality, he also calls them "goblins"
and "soul-eaters," who have the "ability to enter the mind and affect
thought," and much, much worse. He writes:
"Increasingly I felt as if I were entering a struggle that might
be a struggle *for my soul*, my essence, or whatever part of me might
have reference to the eternal...It was clear that the soul was very much
at issue. People [have] experienced feeling as if their souls were being
dragged from their bodies. More than one person had seen the visitors in
the context of a near-death experience."
In spite of all this, Streiber's delusion is so great that he can
enthusiastically say that "it is up to each one of us to seek our own
contact [with the 'visitors'], develop it if it occurs, and challenge
ourselves to use it for...spiritual growth..."
By contrast, Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov wrote a century ago:
"The perception of spirits with the eyes of sense always brings harm,
sometimes greater and sometimes less, to men who do not have spiritual
perception...He will unfailingly be deceived, he will unfailingly be
attracted, he will unfailingly be sealed with the seal of deception...the
seal of a frightful injury to his spirit; and further, the possibility of
correction and salvation is often lost. This has happened with many, very
many. It has happened not only with pagans, whose priests were for the
most part in open *communion* with demons; it has happened not only with
many Christians who do not know the mysteries of Christianity..' it has
[also] happened with many strugglers and monks..." (quoted in 'The Soul
After Death', Fr. Seraphim Rose, p.68)
When he wasn't "seeing" them, Streiber nonetheless frequently
"heard" their voices, "as if from a small speaker just to the right of my
head." Without any difficulty at all he saw that this was similar to the
pagan oracles of old: "the oracles at Delphi and many other places in the
ancient world were channels answering questions in trance...With the rise
of Christianity the voice died...So the voice I was hearing, as also the
voices heard by modern channels, was possessed by an ancient and lofty
human heritage...I was still well within the tradition of human
experience."
Streiber also speaks of psychic gifts that suddenly appear,
unbidden, in people who have UFO experiences: "precognition, apparent
telepathy, out-of-the-body perceptions, and even physical levitation.
Such people often find street lights mysteriously shutting down as they
walk down the street. (One wonders if he had ever seen the 1950's film
about modern-day witchcraft, 'Bell, Book, and Candle', in which a novice
warlock is able to turn out the street lights as he passes by.)
Streiber concludes benignly; "I do not think we have even begun
to comprehend the visitors. I suspect that we are a lot farther from
understanding them than we are from understanding , say, the songs of the
whales..."
But Fr. Seraphim wrote: "Such stories of demonic activity were
commonplace in earlier centuries. It is a sign of the spiritual crisis of
today that modern men, for all their proud 'enlightenment' and 'wisdom'
are becoming once more aware of such experiences -- but no longer have
the Christian framwork with which to explain them...A true evaluation of
UFO experiences may be made only on the basis of Christian revelation and
experience, and it is accessible only to the humble Christian believer
who trusts these sources" (Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, pps
137-138).
Ever since the phenomenally successful movies, 'Close Encounters'
and 'E.T.'(just rereleased on video), we have seen a resurgence of
interest in UFO phenomena. It will doubtless continue to grow as
Christianity wanes in the West and people instead tune their ears to very
ancient "voices", once stilled by the Son of God.
The Orthodox Christian, however must hold on to the redemption
offered by Christ, for as Fr. Seraphim wrote, "he knows that man is not
to 'evolve' into 'something higher', nor has he any reason to believe
that there are 'highly evolved' beings on other planets; but he knows
well that there are indeed ' advanced intelligences' in the universe
besides himself: these are of two kinds, and he strives to live so as to
dwell with those who serve God (the angels) and avoid contact with the
others who have rejected God (the demons)...he distrusts his own ability
to see through the deceptions of the demons, and therefore clings all the
more firmly to the Scriptural and Patristic guidelines which the Church
of Christ provides for his life...."(Orthodoxy and the religion of the
Future, pps. 144-145).
O Archangel of God, leave us not defenseless against
the spirits of evil in the upper air!
from the prayer to St Michael the Archangel
[patron of Archangel Michael Russian Orthodox Student Association]
written by Father Alexey Young
published by Orthodox America
Vol IX, #8 (issue 88), March 89
available from GOLD::GILSTRAP
or by subscription from:
P.O.Box 2132, Redding CA., 96099
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Subject: Shattering Assault [part 1]
Summary: more words of warning
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PART 1
by Father Alexey Young
'Orthodox America' issue #88
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"Let no man deceive you by any means...." II Thess.2:3
It is no coincidence that the ancient pagan mystery religions as
well as numerous mystical fraternities (such as the Theosophists and
Rosicrucians) speak of an "elite" --sometimes called "the Great White
Brotherhood," the "Ascended Masters," or the "Mahatmas" of Madame
Blavatsky -- a group of beings seeking to guide and control the destiny
of mortal man. Sometimes this "elite" is seen as non-human, at other
times as "highly evolved" or perfected humans. [transcriber's note: the
respondents in the FORUM topic "ORACLES" refer to their "higher power"
guides]
The ancestor of this "elite" is the 'daimon' of the ancient pagan
Greeks - from which, in fact, we get the word "demon," and which prompted
the Holy Fathers to say that "the gods of the pagans are demons". [from
the Psalter] Thus, from the Christian point of view, there can be no
doubt that such an invisible "elite" exists, and is known to the
followers of Christ as the army of fallen angels, the demonic host. This
host enters into our fallen world through sin and heresy, as well as by
occult practices of all kinds (from apparently "innocent" things such as
ouija boards to the New Age practice of "channeling")[see FORUM topic
"ORACLES" for a local selection]. Now however, fallen angels have found
a new and particularly dazzling way to enter the world of men.
Whereas a generation ago only "cranks" and the
mentally/emotionally distressed believed in UFOs, today more than half
the population of the US, according to surveys, accepts the reality of
alien visitors. In particular, "many New Agers believe in unidentified
flying objects," according to Time, "crewed by oddly shaped
extraterrestrials who have long visited the earth from more advanced
planets, spreading the wisdom that created, among other things,
Stonehenge and the pyramids of Egypt."
Although UFO literature is proliferous, the most respected and
listened-to UFO "convert" is Whitley Streiber, who has written two recent
books on his own experiences, 'Communion: A True Story' (1987) and its
sequel, 'Transformation: A Breakthrough' (1988). Both books have been on
the best seller list and the author has appeared in numerous television
interviews, partly because he writes well and has consulted many members
of the scientific community.
Although Streiber says that he was never before interested in
UFOs and had read practically nothing on the subject, "this is the
story," he writes in the first book, "of one man's attempt to deal with a
shattering assault from the unknown. It is a true story, as true as I
know how to describe it. To all appearances I have had an elaborate
personal encounter with intelligent nonhuman beings. But who could they
be, and where have they come from? Are unidentified flying objects real?
Are they goblins or demons ... or visitors?"
Beginning in December 1985 Streiber and his family experienced a
whole series of dream-like lights, voices, touchings and "night visitors"
with bug-like heads. "At first," he said, "I thought I was losing my
mind. But I was interviewed by three psychologists and three
psychiatrists and given a battery of psychological tests and a
neurological examination, and found to fall within the normal range in
all respects. I was given a polygraph .. and I passed without qualification
...The visitors marched right into the middle of the life of an
indifferent skeptic without a moment's hesitation."
The fact that Streiber's first book 'Communion' also contains
official medical statements as to his normalcy and sanity, as well as
transcripts of hypnotic sessions (used to focus details of his
experiences) and that he acknowledges by name the help of prominent
scientists in many fields, adds to the veracious tone of his frightening
story.
Streiber speculates that his "visitors" could be:
1) "from another planet or planets;
2) "from earth, but so different from us that we have not hitherto
understood that they were even real;
3) "from another aspect of space-time -- another dimension;
4) "from this dimension in space but not in time" -- in
otherwords, time-travel by our own descendants into their own past (our
present);
5) "from within us;
6) "a certain hallucinatory wire in the mind, or
7) "an aspect of the human species" -- perhaps ghosts or, better
yet, "maybe you and I are larvae, and the 'visitors' are human beings in
the mature form."
What makes Streiber's account so compelling is his apparent
objectivity: he projects himself as an innocent bystander, in no way
responsible for this bizarre encounter. Beyond the pages of these books,
however, one discovers that Streiber is also the author of several horro
stories, which contain similarities to his real-life experience. As one
critic pointed out: " 'Communion' seems like the end of a logical
progression leading from the fiction side of the bestseller list to the
non-fiction side" (Thomas Dirch in 'The Nation', March 14, 1987). What is
even more revealing, Streiber studied for 15 years with the Gurdjieff
Foundation, a cultish group whose teaching stresses "the development of
powers latent in the human psche," and whose spiritual eclecticism is
popular among today's New Agers. Obviously, Streiber's role was not as
passive as he would lead his readers to believe; he had -- unknowingly,
no doubt -- predisposed himself to cooperate with such an experience. And
one can more readily understand why the 'aliens' told him: "You are our
chosen one."
Although he brings a diverse array of ideas and theories from
world religion and philosophy to bear on his subject -- everything from
Hindu mythology to the warefare of St Anthony the Great with demons --
religion and God in the traditional sense are conspicuously absent from
his thinking and he comes down in favor of the popular modern idea that
SCIENCE is the only "key" -- if still primitive -- to understanding these
experiences. But, as Hieromonk Seraphim (Rose) wrote in his study of UFOs
(in 'Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future'): "Science fiction has
given the images,'evolution' has produced the philosophy, and the
technology of the 'space age' has supplied the plausibility for such
encounters".
Rather than a boundless thirst for God, we have instead a "great
thirst for contact with superior minds that will provide guidance for our
poor, harassed, hectic, planet" (Jaques Vallee, quoted in ORF, p.138).
Indeed Streiber is himself a fervent environmentalist with an apocalyptic
sense of the destruction man is bringing upon his little earth-home.
What is clear in Streiber's books is that mind or thought control
is being exercised on the human race by these "visitors" in a way that
can only be described in the classic sense as occult. The Orthodox reader
is chilled when, at one point, the author discovers that he can "call up"
these "visitors" at will and experience a kind of "communion" with them
(thus, the title of his first book) in a manner that is clearly
mediumistic.
to be continued in PART 2
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From: jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: saucer symbols references
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Date: 8 Aug 91 16:44:13 GMT
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In article <1991Aug7.134131.17818@vicorp.com> mc@vicorp.UUCP (Mark Charalambous) writes:
>Does anyone know of any resources which contain pictures or descriptions
>of any symbols purported to be seen inside UFOs or on UFO retrieved
>material? For instance, the symbols said to be have seen inside the
>Roswell saucer.
Not only that, but it would be interesting to know IF any of these symbols
and or pictures have any correlation or similarity to some of the "wild"
crop circle symbols being "created" around the world!!
JBL
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From: cs49+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher J. Shields)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Yo! Needles/Communion & Shit
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Whoa! Maybe I'm outta line here but people have been posting stuff that
I just can't agree with...
1> "Communion" as a movie SUCKED cinematography-wise and somewhat story
wise. Yes it was very much "here's my story, take it or leave it", But
Peter Weller did a really lousy job and I didn't get the ending ( no,
not the part about Strieber communicating with the aliens, the part with
the masks and the Grey who takes half his face off, What the Fuck? ). I
felt the book was better and that Transformation was more informative.
2> Strieber had an MRI .....NOT a Cat Scan like people have been saying.
This was reported in a year-old or so issue of OMNI ( I can't remember
the date but I do remember the article ) A white spot showed up on his
MRI around the area of his optic nerve. This could be an alien implant
or it could be an air bubble. In the movie the needle was inserted in
his ear yet in the book it was inserted into his left nostril. The book
makes more sense. Bud Hopkins was quoted as saying in the issue of Omni
that it would be virtually impossible to remove the 2mm implant that
Strieber claims to have.
3> If space is infinite what the fuck makes us the only/most advanced
intellegence in the universe? NOT!
4> THEY haven't disproved alien intellegence exsists.
Just kinda ina bitchy mood, comments by e-mail please, sorry about
typos, all flames ignored, have a nice day......
Peace,
c.shields
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From: dave@tygra.Michigan.COM (David Conrad)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Great Pyramid part 4
Summary: Whoa! Wait a minute!
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Date: 8 Aug 91 10:26:44 GMT
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In article <91214.161939HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>>JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> The base of our Pyramid was 765 feet square. The total height was
>>>>486 feet. The entrance way was located exactly 534 feet above the base
>>>>on the north side and constructed in such a manner that the light of
>>>>[...]
Various comments deleted...and then:
>Well if you want to *TRY* to make it work. I see it as 765 feet on a side
>with a vertical height of 486 feet that leaves about 622 feet for the
>length of the vertical side. So, 534 feet up the side is still legit 8:)
>
>Harold M. Harvey Harvey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
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>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (415)926-2389 9-6 M-F Pacific
>The views expressed here are mine. (415)534-5961
Interesting address, especially for a JOHNFW apologist. Either you're
our "JOHNFW" or you work where he does, so either 'fess up or find this
guy and tell us if he's for real.
David R. Conrad, dave@michigan.com
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From: dave@tygra.Michigan.COM (David Conrad)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: A Solar Tour part#4
Message-ID: <1991Aug8.104256.2262@tygra.Michigan.COM>
Date: 8 Aug 91 10:42:56 GMT
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In article <91214.073744JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>...inductrial progaress...
>...spacectaft...
>...representes...natuare...
>...apearance...
You would think he would at least bother to spell check this stuff.
>...and at the poles, as our craft approaches, a lovely green area
>where a city of scintillating splendor greets our eyes.
Mars has polar ice caps, eh.
>I'll leave you with this saying; A father that has a smart son believes in
>heredity.
Oooh, he's got a fortune program!
>Standard Disclaimer.
>John.
"Some ignorance is invincible."
David R. Conrad, dave@michigan.com
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From: cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug8.183955.24388@aifh.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 8 Aug 91 18:39:55 GMT
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>cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>
>> In article <1991Aug6.001828.26671@latcs1.lat.oz.au> stephens@ipc1.lat.oz.au (
>> > Finally, give us the latest estimate on how probable it was for the first
>> >replicating molecule to evolve in a single step.
>>
>> Since nobody thinks this happened, what is your interest in knowing the
>> probability?
>>
> Actually, I don't know how a self replicating molecule could evolve in
>MULTIPLE steps, because I would assume that evolution requires some form of
>replication.
You said it yourself -- evolution requires *some* form of replication.
*Self* replication is a particular kind of replication. There's plenty
of books and papers out there, including back numbers of Scientific
American, dealing with step-by-step evolution starting with naturally
produced stable-in-context chemicals and forms, through various forms of
replication, up to self-replication. The topic is general evolution,
i.e., evolution as it applies to naturally occurring non-replicating
non-living systems. Typically these are systems inhabiting an energy
gradient.
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From: kelvinf@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Kelvin Fedrick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ha!
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[Shawn's rather long winded posting on life, the universe and everything]
Oh good grief. Where do I start?
First of all, I HATE hypocrits, especially when they try to hold themselves
up as something more than the rest of us.
First point, Shawn, is that your posted beliefs have all the necessary
elements of any religion.
You have your unprovable items of faith:
1. [I beleive the earth has been visited by other intelligent races...]
2. [I beleive that the human mind is capable of anything, even without
tools and science...]
In (2) you merely substitute some type of unexplained, unproved, pseudo-
scientific, mystical, borderline divine powers for god, gods, demons, etc..
You diagnose "man's condition" and the state the method of his "salvation".
1. [We were afraid of change, afraid of the unknown.]
2. [again, it's our subconcious training, our religion and superstition
that holds us back.]
3. [Everything we have developed so far has for the most part been to
cure us of the side effects of our false beliefs.]
4. [If you are only willing to open your eyes, you will see.]
paraphrase: open your eyes and believe as I do, switch to my 'religion'.
5. [We have to cut through the religion, and soon.]
You have your selectivity criterion:
[There is a new breed in the young people today. A select few have
been able to realize that we have to look at things truly objectively.]
Sound familiar? Maybe a little like, many are called and few are chosen?
You have your reward for the faithful and punishment for infidels:
[ For some people, the brimstone will fall, and the fires of hell will
burn them, and they will hallucinate that they are going to wherever
there religion tells them they will. But maybe us few who can change
will see this "End" for what it really is, a new beginning. Perhaps we
will be able to witness the birth of a whole new world, a whole new
life, a whole new reality.]
Shawn, nothing, NOTHING in your posting has any sustance, any proof, or
anything tangible to it at all and thus qualifies it as your religious
dogma. It is fine that you have your religious belief but it pisses me
off when people imply that others who who have conflicting beliefs are
ignorant.
Now lets look at a few of the other non-sensical illogical, items you
included in this post. Lots of this is out of order and out of context
be I believe that I retained the flavor and implications of the posting.
>At first, religion incorporated all the visits and phenomenon into their
>scriptures.
>
>Nowadays, religion, beleif groups, and culture have totally covered up
>these visits, to the point where people who have the potential to learn
>and be aware of all around them ignore even the simplest of facts, because
>they don't fit into their critereon of reality. ^^^^^
Facts, Shawn? WHAT facts!? All we have here is Genesis according to Shawn,
and yet you are criticizing people for denying the 'reality' of alien
visitations which you provide ABSOLUTELY NO evidents for, AND accusing
them of organizing a coverup. Geez!
>We have to look through the myth, and realize that the same voice has been
>muffled all through our history!
First of all this presumes that traditional (christian I assume) beliefs
ARE myths and your alien visitation is NOT a myth.
Second, if ANY voice has indeed been muffled, you fail to prove that YOUR
version of history IS what has been muffled. To me there is no compelling
reason to accept one over the other; both are hard to swallow. This is why
I have no problem with anyone who simply doesn't believe in any of these
myths AND who doesn't try to SUBSTITUTE myths of their own.
>Our science has helped us evolve, and our curiousity has led us to great
>hights, but the time has come to accept the world as it is.
and again later,
>We have to accept the universe as it is, unbiased and ready to learn
>things we may not think we are ready for.
What the hell does this mean 'accept the universe as it is', and why do
you think we are not now accepting the universe as it is? I think what
you really mean here is 'accept the universe as *I* say it is'.
Furthermore, WHAT is it that 'we think we are not ready for' that we should
be ready to learn?
The part about being 'unbias' strikes me as really funny and very indicitive
of the hypocrisy of this entire posting. After writing nearly an entire
posting of un-supported, wild speculation, you tell US that we should be
unbiased, as if you are. Ha!
>We have to be ready to evolve. For a while now humans have been devolving.
>Our machines and medicine and some of our technology have just made it more
>difficult to realize our potential.
I take it this is another BS reference to some type of pseudo-scientific,
mystical, power.
>Some people go to work with the aim of proving that their studies support
>their religion. Others go out to disprove others theories and improve
>their own. But we have to set out to seek the truth simply for the fact
>that it is the truth.
No Shawn. In the scientific method people approach an experiment with a
HYPOTHESIS. They then perform the experiment in order to see if it supports
there hypothesis. If their hypothesis happens to have religious implications
and the experiment supports the hypothesis and those religious implications
then, as you said earlier, we must be 'unbiased' enough to accept them, or
propose alternate explainations and gather support for those explainations.
Despite what you seem to think, this is a well established method of
'seeking the truth'. What alternative method would YOU propose one use to go
about 'seeking the truth'? How can one 'seek the truth' without having some
prior hypothesis (belief) about what the 'truth' is?
>I beleive science can explain everything, if we make science fit the truth,
>not bend the truth to fit science.
Ah, Shawn, this makes absolutely NO sense. Please explain to me how anyone
can 'bend the truth to fit science'? By definition, if I show something to
be truth scientifically, not just find 100 peices of evidents to support it
(because the 101st peice could show the explaination to be flawed) but PROVE
it, then it IS the truth.
And finally,
>But that's an [Shawn's] OPINION.
You bet. And there are others who have different opinions, some falling
along traditional religious lines. It is hypocritical of you to criticize
others for what you consider foolish beliefs on the bases that those
people cannot prove or support their claims, and then to try to substitute
your equally increadible, unsupported, unproved claims.
Nuff said.
-Kelvin
fedrick@tigger.colorado.edu
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From: kelvinf@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Kelvin Fedrick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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In alt.alien.visitors, ddaye@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David C Daye) writes:
>In article <1991Aug6.160911.13402@cadence.com> jdm@cadence.com,
>(Joe Mastroianni) writes:
>>I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
>>multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
>>with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
>It may depend on what you're computing. I think of 2 possibilities in
>response to the standard question of "If they're coming here, why haven't
>they contacted us formally?"
>1) Have you ever "contacted" the ants?
>2) I have the impression that we do "contact" apes fairly regularly.
Sorry I agree with Joe. Ants are incapable of language, ants are not,
as I remember, regarded as being capable of internal representations.
While apes may be regarded as having some fundamentals of language
we still are still more *evolutionarily* advanced; our brains can do
things that they are *physically* incapable of.
If such aliens existed, and if such artifacts as you say existed, there
is absolutely no way to deduce from this evidence that such aliens would
necessarily be more advanced on the *evolutionary* scale. Technologically
yes, but not fundamentally. Remember, we are probably not any more
intelligent now than we were 10,000 years ago but look at the technological
advances we have make. I don't think your 'we're to puny for them to bother
with' argument works.
Furthermore, I have a very hard time beleiving that the US government is
capable of keeping a secret as big as a warehouse of alien spaceships,
electronic communication with alien societies and the like. I also think
you give the NSA and CIA to much credit for having the technological
sophistication to do such things while no-one else has been able to.
- Kelvin
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From: bradski@polar.bu.edu (Gary Bradski)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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Date: 8 Aug 91 20:04:30 GMT
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> The reason why the missing links are so hard to find is that there are
> no such links at all. A lot of skeletons of apes and people have been
> found, but no 'links' between them, we must come to a conclusion that,
> simply, there are no such links.
> Andreas
Well, the number of humaniod skeletons is actually quite skimpy...but
I too suspect that there may not be any links to find. But this does
not imply any space alien nonsense...simply that evolutionary
mechanisms are not well understood yet.
It may well be that various species represent semi-stable points or
cycles in a genetic dynamical system, and that these stable points
are subject sudden changes in mode if perturbed enough. Thus evolution
may preceed in jumps between stable states. See this months
Scientific American for boolean systems (inspired from ideas about
DNA) that exhibit such phenonema.
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: new reader
Keywords: hello
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wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>What do YOU think happened at Roswell and do you think there may indeed
>be other worlds with a form of life at *least* as intelligent as our own?
First off: something *did* crash near Roswell. *What* crashed is
up-for-grabs. With the evidence the public has on it, it's really the
opinion of the investigator that makes the decision. A lot of the
testimony of cited witnesses can be written off. It happened 44 years
ago. People have a strange tendency to sensationalize and mis-identify
something that they don't understand. In other words, judging by the
actions of the government, as well as a lot of testimony given, you may
as well flip a coin: "heads" it's a UFO; "tails" it's a Fugo. At
least that's what you could decide based on judging the actions of the
government. If the government came forward and said, "It was a Fugo and
here's the remains of it..." that doesn't prove anything. They could be
faking it. The only way to settle it is to come out and say, "It was a
UFO and here it is..." if that's what happened.
In my opinion, however, it was a UFO.
As far as intelligence on other worlds: if life developped only 10,000
years sooner on another planet (which is nothing in terms of evolution)
they would be significantly more advanced than we are. That seems
plausible to me.
>Duane
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Great Pyramid part 4
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In article <1991Aug8.102644.2031@tygra.Michigan.COM>, dave@tygra.Michigan.COM
(David Conrad) says:
>
>In article <91214.161939HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
>HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>>>JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> The base of our Pyramid was 765 feet square. The total height was
>>>>>486 feet. The entrance way was located exactly 534 feet above the base
>>>>>on the north side and constructed in such a manner that the light of
>>>>>[...]
>
>Various comments deleted...and then:
>
>>Well if you want to *TRY* to make it work. I see it as 765 feet on a side
>>with a vertical height of 486 feet that leaves about 622 feet for the
>>length of the vertical side. So, 534 feet up the side is still legit 8:)
>>
>>Harold M. Harvey Harvey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (415)926-2389 9-6 M-F Pacific
>>The views expressed here are mine. (415)534-5961
>
>Interesting address, especially for a JOHNFW apologist. Either you're
>our "JOHNFW" or you work where he does, so either 'fess up or find this
>guy and tell us if he's for real.
>
>David R. Conrad, dave@michigan.com
>--
The address is only interesting because we both work at the same
lab. John is a real, genuine and honest person. I don't agree with
him on much but I don't discount his arguments just because of his
spelling. Some people believe, and the logic of a believer can
never be understood by a non-believer or should be. Maybe I will
show him how to use spellfix.
Harold M. Harvey Harvey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (415)926-2389 9-6 M-F
The views expressed here are mine. (415)534-5961
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From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Communion question
Keywords: communion
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Date: 8 Aug 91 19:38:04 GMT
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In article <ewf2.681665507@Ra.MsState.Edu>, ewf2@ra.MsState.Edu (Juice S. Aaron) writes:
|>
|> A few months ago I picked up and read the vast majority of
|> the book called Communion. What the book had to say
|> was quite interesting and sometimes somewhat shocking
|> for me. I spent many a night wondering if big ugly
|> aliens with spindly arms would come waltzing down my
|> hall (or if they already had and I just didn't remember
|> it.) Then I heard that there was a movie based on
|> the book and after waiting millenia for it to be
|> released on video was able to watch it.
|> I noticed that the screenplay for the movie was
|> written by Streiber himself so I thought
|> we'll get the real picture that was presented in
|> the book. Now I watched the movie and afterwards
|> I found myself wondering if it was actually true to the
|> book. Several minor little things were changed, (such
|> as the gender of the psychiatrist he went to) but nothing
|> major seemed out of place until the scene near the end with
|> the aliens in suit coats and the strangeness that went on then.
|> I seem to remember the movie having something really
|> out of place near the end that involved the aliens
|> dressed up like humans who removed their faces to show
|> human faces under them. I don't seem to remember that
|> from the book. (Not to say it wasn't in the book as I
|> didn't read some bits of the book as well as I read other
|> bits)
|> Did the movie stick to the book or did streiber take
|> liberties with his own supposedly true story?
|>
|> JSA
I believe that Communion (the movie) included some material from
Streiber's Communion (book) sequel: Transformation.
The strangeness continued after Communion (the book) was published,
and if anything, got a little stranger. It has been a while since
I read Transformation, but I seem to remember the "alien wearing a suit"
part.
I think I understand why you say you read "the vast majority of
the book called Communion". I had a heck of a time wading through the
last chapter or so where Streiber presents his theories about what has
been happening to him. It seemed to me that he was grasping around
trying desperately to find some kind of meaning to it all. He changes
his theories around in Transformation, but they still have a sense of
desperation (IMO of course).
In Transformation, Streiber presents new material and tries to deal
with some of the questions raised by Communion, he also decided to
release some of the more bizarre material that he was "coerced" into
leaving out of Communion. My memory is not infalible, but I beleive that
it was Budd Hopkins who suggested that Steiber leave out the really weird
material because Hopkins thought that it would destroy Streiber's
credibility (and it also didn't fit into Hopkins' pet theory).
Transformation was written after Streiber and Hopkins had their falling
out.
I think that Communmion (the movie) was made some time inbetween
the falling out with Hopkins and the writing of Transformation.
Leonard Spani
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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.slack
Subject: A Solar tour #6
Keywords: Saturn
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(Funky Speaking)
As we leave the mighty Jupiter, we come upon Saturn. This is a beautiful
planet with a beautiful ring constructed of solid plutonium. The peoples of
Saturn are true party pigs, they bring us to their plush houses filled
with shag carpet and Greek plaster statues. For many centuries the Saturnians
have been living in a state of inebriation, for they are the mightiest party
pigs this side of the Rigelan empire. They can teach us much about having
a good time. Trying to relocate to this beer bucket is difficult, for the
remaining real estate has been taken up by strip joints and discos. The
Saturnians are gracious hosts though, filling our space junket with the
finest Nitrous Oxide Beer kegs.
I will leave you with this saying: A beer in the hand is better than a beer in
the beer case.
Standard Disclaimer.
Jon
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My good connection on the telephone never lies."
DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer. Keep it that way.
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: OH Krill intro/README
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O. H. Krill (Krll) Intro:
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Aside from the William Milton Cooper material, these 4 files are
considered to be highly controversial in the field of UFOlogy. The
"author" of this work, "O. H. Krill" is believed to have been a joint
effort of John Grace and John Lear. As the story goes, this file was
put together (according to sources close to John Lear) to "smoke out
the dis-informants in the field". For many of us who have been into
this field for awhile, this file is held in low esteem. Discussions
by UFO "newbies" on this text has often degenerated into vast flame
wars on the various UFO "echoes" of the BBS world, as there might be
some truth in it and possibly a bit of BS. I will leave it up to you to
sort out which is which. If there is such a thing as a "black sheep"
of a UFO text, then *this* file would easily qualify.
These files are a bit large so I will give you the size info here:
(All sizes minus message headers)
Krill part 1: 30241 bytes
Krill part 2: 16852 bytes
Krill part 3: 36486 bytes
Krill part 4: 42679 bytes
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Please note: I only post these files to educate people what is currently
available. They are for informational purposes only and as such, should
NOT be taken at face value. There is NO substitute for research and
investigation. If you want to ridicule the information, fine...but I
draw the line at personal slams, so please do yourselves a favor and
avoid ad homenim attacks and we will get along fine. Let's endeavor
to be a notch above the sci.skeptics and alt.paranormal obnoxiousness :-)
As a rule, I try to avoid any editorilizing and pretty much leave it up
to you to do with as you see fit.
Don
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: FILE: OH Krill part 1
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. The
content of this information does NOT necessarily reflect the personal
views of the poster,nor should the views,opinions,statements or claims
represented in the following be accepted by anyone reading these texts
at *face* value. If this interests you, please endeavor to research it
yourself and investigate it to *your* satisfaction, and as such I will
leave it in your hands to either prove it or de-bunk it :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
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* CONFIDENTIAL *
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A SITUATION REPORT ON OUR ACQUISITION OF ADVANCED
TECHNOLOGY AND INTERACTION WITH ALIEN CULTURES
JANUARY 1988
BY
O.H. KRILL
ABSTRACT
Throughout the forty year period when UFO have been actively
observed in our civilization, a lot of data has been gathered --
data which has often pointed to aspects of the phenomena that have
been supressed. As a result of the suppression and
compartmentalization of the information, our culture has been
fragmented into several levels of "reality" which both co-exist
and oppose each other. Part of our culture does not or will not
believe in the existence of other species; part of our culture
acknowledges their existence or the probability of their
existence; part of our culture is actually interacting with the
other species. These simultaneous realities contribute to the
condition of extreme confusion in which we find ourselves.
Research into UFO's follows a similar pattern. Some view the
matter in a completely empirical perspective; others search for
patterns and functional relationships in events; still others go
out and ask the right questions at the right time and get answers.
Some of those answers that have appeared are, to some people,
quite disturbing and fantastic.
All in all, we are dealing with new concepts in physics, new
concepts in psychology, and the gradually growing awareness that
we are not only not alone here, but we have never been alone here.
As if that were not enough, it turns out that factions of our
society have known this, and apparently have been interacting with
some of these alien species for quite a while.
The bottom line is that all along, humanity has been led down
a false path, a path that has been plagued by layer upon layer of
conspiracies and disinformation. Technological knowledge and
absolute power have been the motives on the human side. Survival
has been the motive on the alien side, or at least as far as the
predominant alien visitors are concerned.
The intent of this paper is to bring much of the details
regarding this into the open. You are not being asked to believe
it, but to consider it in the light of what has happened, what is
happening, and what may be developing right under our very noses.
If you find that you cannot stomach such thoughts, or that you
cannot deal with it, read no further.
It is quite evident, or it should be, that the UFO situation
is both complex and dangerous. The UFO problem is a multi-
situational and multi-dimensional phenomena. We have established
the following as having a basis in fact:
o Craft from other worlds have crashed on Earth.
o Alien craft are from both ultra-dimensional sources
and sources within this dimension.
o Early U.S. government efforts at acquiring alien
technology were successful.
o The U.S. government has had live alien hostages at
some point in time.
o The government has conducted autopsies on alien
cadavers.
o U.S. intelligence agencies, security agencies, and
public agencies are involved in the coverup of facts
pertaining to the situation.
o People have been and are currently abducted,
mutilated, murdered and kidnapped as a result of the
UFO situation.
o There is a current active alien presence on this
planet among us that controls difference elements of
our society.
o Alien forces maintain bases on Earth and on the Moon.
o The U.S. government has had a working relationship
with alien forces for some time, with the express
purpose of gaining technology in gravitational
propulsion, beam weaponry and mind control.
o Millions of cattle have been killed in the process
of acquiring biological materials.
o Both aliens and the U.S. government are responsible
for mutilations, but for different reasons.
o We live in a multi-dimensional world that is
overlapped and visited by entities from other
dimensions. Many of these entities are hostile.
Many are not hostile.
o The basis of our genetic development and religions
lies in intervention by non-terrestrial and
terrestrial forces.
o Actual technology far exceeds that perceived by
the public.
o The United States space program is a cover operation
that exists for public relations purposes.
o People are being actively killed in order to suppress
the facts about the situation. The CIA and the NSA
are involved so deeply that exposure would cause
collapse of their overt structure.
o Facts indicate alien overt presence within five to
ten years.
o Our civilization is one of many that have existed in
the last billion years.
You will probably have more conclusions. To see, just read on....
Animal Mutilations and UFOs
General Chronology
In the middle of 1963, a series of livestock attacks occurred
in Haskell County, Texas. In a typical case, an Angus bull was
found with its throat slashed and a saucer-sized wound in its
stomach. The citizenry attributed the attacks to a wild beast of
some sort, a "vanishing varmint." As it continued its furtive
forays through the Haskell County outback, the bloodluster assumed
somewhat more mythic proportions and a new name was destined to
endure: The Haskell Rascal.
Throughout the following decade, there would be sporadic
reports of similar attacks on livestock. These attacks were
occasionally described as "mutilations." The most prominent of
these infrequent reports was the mutilation death of "Snippy" the
horse in southern Colorado in 1967, accompanied by area UFO
sightings, a Condon Committee investigation and worldwide press
coverage.
It was in 1973 that the modern animal mutilation wave can be
said to have begun in earnest. That year is generally thought of
as the year of the last concerted UFO flap, although there may be
reason to question that contention, given the events of two years
later.
In 1973 and 1974 the majority of the classic mutilation
reports originated in the central United States.
In 1975, an unprecedented onslaught spread across the western
two-thirds of the United States. Mutilation reports peaked in that
year, accompanied by accounts of UFOs and unidentified
helicopters. In 1978, the attacks increased.
By 1979, numerous livestock mutilations were occurring in
Canada, primarily in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Attacks in the
United States leveled off.
In 1980, there was an increase in activity in the United
States. Mutilations have been reported less frequently since that
year, though this may be due in part to an increased reluctance to
report mutilations on the part of ranchers and farmers. The
mutilations still continue. Over ten thousand animals have died in
the United States; although the mutilations have been occurring
worldwide, the same circumstances are always present.
General Observations
Any investigation which intends to probe the systematic
occurrence of the mutilation attacks upon livestock and other
animals must include within its purview certain factors which may
or may not be directly related to the acts of mutilation
themselves. These mutilations -- the killing and furtive removal
of external or internal parts -- have been directed at literally
thousands of animals (primarily livestock) since the 1960s. The
surgery on these animals is primarily conducted with uncanny
precision, suggesting the use of highly sophisticated implements
and techniques. The numbing and persistent regularity of the
mutilations and the seemingly casual disposal of the useless
carcasses all hint at extreme confidence -- even arrogance -- of
the mutilators. It is an arrogance which appears to be justified
by the freedom and impunity with which these acts have been
carried out.
The pertinence of a specific element of the problem is
shortly revealed in the course of any thorough investigation into
the mutilations. I refer to the appearance of unmarked and
otherwise unidentified helicopters within a spatial and temporal
proximity of animal mutilation sites. The occurrence of the two has
been persistent enough to supercede coincidence.
These mystery helicopters are almost always without
identifying markings, or markings may appear to have been painted
over or covered with something. The helicopters are frequently
reported flying at abnormal, unsafe or illegal altitudes. They may
shy away if witnesses of law officers try to approach.
There are several accounts of aggressive behavior on the part
of the helicopter occupants, with witnesses chased, "buzzed,"
hovered over or even fired upon. At times these choppers appear
very near mutilation sites, even hovering over a pasture where a
mutilated carcass is later found. They may be observed shortly
before or after mutilations occur -- or within days of a
mutilation. The intention here is merely to stress that the
"mystery helicopter" element is a part of the issue which deserves
scrutiny.
The idea of "mystery helicopters" did not develop
concurrently with the animal mutilations themselves. Such
helicopters -- unmarked, flying at low levels, soundless (or
sounding like helicopters) -- have been reported for years, and
have been linked to an even more widespread phenomenon -- the
"phantom" (fixed wing) aircraft. The helicopters themselves have
been seen in area where UFOs were reported, in many countries. In
some of the more interesting accounts, the mystery helicopters
were seen with UFOs, or shortly after the UFOs were sighted.
The most apt case I can think of, but certainly not the most
isolated, is a case described by Virgil Armstrong in his lecture
on "What NASA Didn't Tell Us About the Moon." He discusses
helicopters and UFOs in general.
Armstrong describes a friend of his that had invented a
special camera arrangement with the idea that it would increase
the chances of getting good pictures of UFOs. The camera was
mounted on a gunstock along with a laser. The idea was to fire the
laser at the UFO, if one appeared, and hopefully the UFO would
come to a halt, enabling him to take some quality pictures.
Not too long after they were set up in the desert, a UFO did
in fact appear, and they fired the laser and the disk stopped in a
hovering mode. They took quite a few good pictures of it. Shortly
thereafter, the disk flew away. Within minutes, they heard the
unmistakable sound of helicopters coming their way. The
helicopters landed strategically around their group, and out of
the choppers came a croup of Black Berets, which are strategic Air
Force security forces. The commander of the Berets walked up to
the group and said, "What are you doing here?" "Obviously, we are
photographing flying objects, and we just saw a flying saucer and
we got some very very good pictures of it." The commander then
asked the leader of the group if he knew where he was. The group
leader replied "No." The commander then said, "We suggest you get
out of here right now!" The group leader then asked, "What right
do you have to tell us to get out of here? Is this government
land?" The commander of the Black Berets replied, "Indeed it is.
It is Andrews Air Force Base, and if you are not out of here in
ten minutes, you are under arrest." With that, the Berets removed
the film from the camera, and the group left.
Not only does this illustrate one kind of instance where UFOs
are seen in relationship to helicopters, but it also illustrates
the fact that either some of the disks are ours, or we have a
military/government relationship with those who fly them. The
helicopters mentioned above are not the mystery ones, but were
United States military ones.
Another case of military helicopters and United States-owned
disks comes from the book "UFO Crash at Aztec," by Wendell
Stevens. In the book he relates the incident where an Indian was
backpacking in the mountains in the vicinity of Area 51, Groom
Lake, on the Nellis AFB range north of Las Vegas. He heard
approaching helicopters and hid out of sight. The helicopters were
broadcasting a warning over public address systems for anyone in
the area to show themselves because they were going to conduct a
"dangerous military test." The Indian maintained his hidden
posture, and the helicopters flew overhead and back down toward
the Groom Lake facility. Minutes later, two helicopters were seen
flying up the canyon with a black disk flying between them and
slightly above them. They flew overhead and then the helicopters
turned around and flew back towards the base, followed shortly
afterward by the disk. The individual's name and how to contact
him for further details is given in the book.
The Mystery Choppers
Situations involving the mystery helicopters appear to be a
little more insidious. A good example is an event which occurred
in Madison County, Montana, between June and October of 1976.
Twenty-two confirmed cattle mutilations had occurred during that
period, and they were accompanied by reports throughout the county
of silent, unmarked, jet-black helicopters, flashing or steady
anomalous lights in the air and near the ground, unmarked fixed-
wing aircraft and white vans in remote and previously inaccessible
areas.
Toward the latter part of this period, in early autumn of
1976, a hunter from Bozeman, Montana, was out alone around 3:00pm
one day in the Red Mountain area near Norris. He watched as a
black helicopter without markings flew overhead and disappeared
below a small hill. The curious hunter climbed to the top of the
hill. There was the black chopper (a Bell Jet Ranger, he thought)
on the ground, the engine still running. Seven men had apparently
exited from the craft and were walking up the hill toward the
observer. As the hunter advanced toward the seven, he waved and
shouted congenial greetings. It was then that he realized there
was something about the men -- they were all Oriental. They had
slanted eyes and olive skin and were jabbering among themselves in
some indecipherable language. They wore "everyday" clothes, not
uniforms. Suddenly they began to return to the helicopter. The
hunter, still waving and shouting friendly greetings, started
after them. The Orientals quickened their pace. When the hunter
approached within five or six feet, they broke into a dead run,
crowded into the chopper and took off.
In a documented "mystery helicopter" wave in England,
accounts place Oriental-appearing occupants in an unidentified
chopper. Slant-eyed, olive skinned, Oriental-seeming occupants
have been a staple at the heart and at the periphery of UFO
accounts for years. Significant numbers of the infamous "men-in-
black" (MIB) have a similar appearance, but very often they are
seen as very pale and gaunt men who are sensitive to light.
In STIGMATA No. 5 (Fall-Winter 1978) Tom Adams outlined the
most prominent speculative explanations accounting for the
mutilation/helicopter link, including the following:
o The helicopters are themselves UFOs, disguised to
appear as terrestrial craft.
o The choppers originate from within the U.S.
government/military and are directly involved in
conducting the actual mutilations.
o The helicopters are government/military and are not
involved in the mutilations but are investigating
them.
o The helicopters are government/military, and they
know about the identity and motives of the
mutilators and by their presence, they are trying to
divert attention to the possibility of involvement
by the military.
The answer, as far as Tom Adams is concerned, could be a
combination of the above explanations. There also has been
speculation that they are involved in biological experiments with
chemical or biological warfare or the geobotanical pursuit
of petroleum and mineral deposits. On one occasion, an army
standard-type scalpel was found at a mutilation site. Since the
disks have been mostly involved with the mutilations, it is
thought that this was a diversionary event.
These events, or the discussion of them, is just the
precursor to the actual revelations of what is behind the
mutilations: alien acquisition of biological materials for their
own use. To discuss this in a logical and sequential manner, we
must review what has been really happening right under our noses:
direct interaction with extraterrestrial biological entities
(EBE's). To discuss that, however, we must attempt to start at the
beginning with what we now know to be true.
The Saga Begins
It seemingly all began thousands of years ago, but for the
purposes of this discussion, let's start with some events that we
all are familiar with. In 1947, two years after we set off the
first nuclear explosion that our current civilization detonated,
came the Mantell episode, where we had the first recorded incident
of a military confrontation with extraterrestrials that resulted
in the death of a military pilot. It is quite evident now that our
government did not known quite how to handle the situation. In
1952, the nation's capital was overflown by a series of disks. It
was this event which led to the involvement of United States
security forces (CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI) to try to keep the situation
under control until they could understand what was happening.
During this period, the government established a working group,
known as Majestic Twelve (MJ-12). The original members were:
Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, Dr. Vannevar Bush, Secretary
James Forrestal, General Nathan P. Twining, General Hoyt S.
Vandenburg, Dr. Detlev Bronk, Dr. Jerome Hunsaker, Mr. Sidney W.
Souers, Mr. Gordon Gray, Dr. Donald Menzel, General Robert M.
Montague, and Dr. Lloyd V. Berkner.
The MJ-12 group has been a continuously existing group since
it was created, with new members replacing others that die. For
example, when Secretary Forrestal was upset at seeing the United
States sold out in World War II, he wound up being sent to a Naval
hospital for emotional strain. Before relatives could get to him,
he "jumped out a 16th story window." Most persons close to him
consider his suicide contrived. When Forrestal died, he was
replaced by General Walter B. Smith.
In December of 1947, Project Sign was created to acquire as
much information as possible about UFOs, their performance
characteristics and their purposes. In order to preserve security,
liaison between Project Sign and MJ-12 was limited to two
individuals within the intelligence division of the Air Materiel
Command whose role it was to pass along certain types of
information through channels. Project Sign evolved into Project
Grudge in December, 1948. Project Grudge had an over civilian
counterpart named Project Bluebook, with which we are all
familiar. Only "safe" reports were passed to Bluebook. In 1949,
MJ-12 evolved an initial plan of contingency called MJ-1949-04P/78
that was to make allowance for public disclosure of some data
should the necessity present itself.
Majestic Twelve was originally organized by General George C.
Marshall in July, 1947, to study the Roswell-Magdalena UFO crash
recovery and debris. Admiral Hillenkoetter, director of the CIA
from May 1, 1947, until September, 1950, decided to activate the
"Robertson Panel," which was designed to monitor civilian UFO
study groups that were appearing all over the country. He also
joined NICAP in 1956 and was chosen as a member of its board of
directors. It was from this position that he was able to act as
the MJ-12 "mole," along with his team of other covert experts.
They were able to steer NICAP in any direction they wanted to go.
With the "Flying Saucer Program" under complete control of MJ-12
and with the physical evidence hidden away, General Marshall felt
more at ease with this very bizarre situation. These men and their
successors have most successfully kept most of the public fooled
for 39 years, including much of the western world, by setting up
false experts and throwing their influence behind them to make
their plan work, with considerable success. Until now.
Within six months of the Roswell crash on 2 July 1947 and the
finding of another crashed UFO at San Augustine Flats near
Magdalena, New Mexico, on 3 July 1947, a great deal of
reorganization of agencies and shuffling of people took place. The
main thrust behind the original "security lid," and the very
reason for its construction, was the analysis and attempted
duplication of the technologies of the disks. That activity is
headed up by the following groups:
o The Research and Development Board (R&DB)
o Air Force Research and Development (AFRD)
o The Office of Naval Research (ONR)
o CIA Office of Scientific Intelligence (CIA-OSI)
o NSA Office Of Scientific Intelligence (NSA-OSI)
No single one of these groups was supposed to know the whole
story. Each group was to know only the parts that MJ-12 allowed
them to know. MJ-12 also operates through the various civilian
intelligence and investigative groups. The CIA and the FBI are
manipulated by MJ-12 to carry out their purposes. The NSA was
created in the first place to protect the secret of the recovered
flying disks, and eventually got complete control over all
communications intelligence.
This control allows the NSA to monitor any individual through
mail, telephone, telexes, telegrams, and now through online
computers, monitoring private and personal communications as they
choose. In fact, the present-day NSA is the current main extension
of MJ-12 pertaining to the "Flying Saucer Program." Vast amounts
of disinformation are spread throughout the UFO research field.
Any witnesses to any aspect of the program have their lives
monitored in every detail, for each has signed a security oath.
For people who have worked in the program, including military
members, breaking that oath could have any on of the following
direct consequences:
o A verbal warning accompanied by a review of the
security oath.
o A stronger warning, sometimes accompanied by a brow-
beating and intimidation.
o Psychologically working on an individual to bring on
depression that will lead to suicide.
o Murder of the person made to appear as a suicide or
accident.
o Strange and sudden accidents, always fatal.
o Confinement in special "detention centers."
o Confinement in "insane asylums" where they are
"treated" by mind-control and deprogramming
techniques. Individuals are released with changed
personalities, identities, and altered memories.
o Bringing the individual into the "inside," where he
is employed and works for "them," and where he can be
watched. This is usually in closed facilities with
little contact with the outside world. Underground
facilities are the usual place for this.
Any individual who they perceive to be "too close to the
truth" will be treated in the same manner. MJ-12 will go to any
length to preserve and protect the ultimate secret. As we will see
later, the characteristics of what this ultimate secret would turn
out to be would change drastically, for it was something even MJ-
12 could not predict -- actual contact with alien groups.
How the actual contact between the government and aliens was
initially made is not known, but the government was made aware
that it could be done by a civilian using the right equipment.
Dr. Paul Bennewitz, civilian scientist, did so using computer
equipment and informed the government he had done so, not
realizing that by then, in 1983, that the government was in truth
as deep into dealing with the aliens as his communications with
them revealed. Dr. Bennewitz lives next to Manzano Weapons Storage
Area in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He observed UFOs constantly over
the area and initially decided that they were a threat to the
installation. He proceeded to figure out a coding system and
attempted and was successful in communicating with the aliens that
were flying over that area.
What he found out is that after initial contacts with the
aliens years ago, we agreed to to provide them with bases
underground in the United States in return for certain
technological secrets which the aliens would reveal to us. The
aliens would also be allowed to carry out certain operations,
abductions, and mutilations without intervention.
The original contact between the government and the
extraterrestrial biological entities, who are grey in color and
about 3.5 to 4.5 feet high (hereafter referred to as the Greys),
was achieved between 1947 and 1951. We knew that the Greys were
instrumental in performing the mutilations of animals (and some
humans) and that they were using the glandular substances derived
from these materials for food (absorbed through the skin) and to
clone more Greys in their underground laboratories. The government
was also aware that the Greys performed some of the abductions to
secure genetic materials. The government insisted that the Greys
provide them with a list that would be presented to the National
Security Council.
Through all this, the government thought that the Greys were
basically tolerable creatures, although a bit distasteful. They
presumed at the time that it was not unreasonable to assume that
the public would and could get used to their presence. Between
1968 and 1969 a plan was formulated to make the public aware of
their existence over the succeeding twenty years. This time period
would culminate with a series of documentaries that would explain
the history and intentions of the Greys.
The Greys assured us that the real purpose of the abductions
was for monitoring of our civilization, and when we learned that
the abductions were a lot more frequent and insidious than we were
led to believe, the government became concerned. Their concern was
also based on additional information regarding the purposes for
the abductions:
o Insertion of a 3mm spherical biological monitoring
device through the nasal cavity into the brain of the
abductee.
o Implementing subliminal post-hypnotic suggestions
that would compel the abductee to perform some
specific act at a time to be within the next two
to five years.
o Genetic crossbreeding between the Greys and human
beings.
o Insertion of discoid monitoring devices into the
muscle tissue of the abductees. Presence of these has
been verified by x-ray.
By the time we had found out the truth about the intentions
of the Greys (they intend to stay here and stay in control of our
world) it was too late. We had already "sold out" humanity. Not
that it would have made any difference, because they were here
doing what they were doing anyway.
In 1983, a story was outlined by government sources that said
that the Greys are responsible for our biological evolution
through manipulation of the DNA of already evolving primates on
this planet. Various time intervals of the DNA manipulation were
specified for 25,000, 15,000, 5,000, and 2,500 years ago.
Originally, the government thought that the Greys meant us no
harm, but today, in 1988, the picture that is emerging is exactly
the opposite. The story now is one of great deception at several
different levels: the Greys Trojan Horse-style manipulation and
lying which allied MJ-12 forces with them four decades ago; the
government's disinformation of the subject of UFOs in order to
perpetuate the agreement with the Greys free of public scrutiny;
the lies to the abductees; the Greys on-going abduction of people
and mutilation of animals in order to harvest enzymes, blood and
other tissues for their own survival needs; and a genetic blend of
the Grey race and a tall Nordic race to enable Grey interface with
humans to be done with greater ease.
Information from a source at a southwest Army base reveals
that these multiple levels of deception are true. It is also
indicated that the goal of SDI (Star Wars) is actually to follow
through with an attack, proposed by the Greys, on the Nordics when
they arrive en masse between now and 1992. This time schedule
seems to match with the post-hypnotic programming of many
abductees for actions between the next two to five years.
This same source sees the world dominated and controlled by
the Greys in a way similar to that portrayed in the "V" television
series -- they are concerned only for their own survival agenda,
and this agenda requires biological substances from other life
forms on our planet.
The apparent reasoning for the Grey preoccupation with this
is due to their lack of a formal digestive tract and the fact that
they absorb nutrients and excrete waste directly through the skin.
The substances that they acquire are mixed with hydrogen peroxide
and "painted" on their skin, allowing absorption of the required
nutrients. It is construed from this that some weaponry against
them might be geared in this direction.
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Subject: FILE: OH Krill part 2
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* CONFIDENTIAL *
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A SITUATION REPORT ON OUR ACQUISITION OF ADVANCED
TECHNOLOGY AND INTERACTION WITH ALIEN CULTURES
by O.H. KRILL
Observations by a Visiting Nordic
In October, 1987, UFO researcher George Andrews was
successfully able to contact one of the Nordics not associated
with the Greys, through a woman in California. What follows are
the comments made by the alien:
"Were you a culture about to invade, you would not do it with
a flourish of ships showing up in the heavens and undergo risk of
being fired upon. That's the type of warfare slightly less evolved
beings get into. You would create intense confusion and
disagreement with only inferences to your presence -- inferences
which would [in turn] cause controversial disagreement.
"The Greys are insidious little fiends. They did exactly [to
us] what they're doing here [to you]. You are not on the verge of
an invasion. You are not in the middle of an invasion. The
invasion has already taken place. It's merely in its final stages.
"What would you invade? [Here he describes the operational
plan of the Greys from the beginning.] You would go to the most
secret of communities within a society. In the case of the United
States, you would go and infiltrate the CIA. You would take over
some of them and you would take over part of the KGB.
"You would create great dissension and disagreement between
factions of the public at large -- some groups saying they have
seen UFOs, others saying 'No, no, this is not possible.' You would
involve two major countries in an on-going idiotic philosophical
disagreement so that while the Soviet Union and the United States
constantly battle back and forth about who has which piece of
territory or whether one invades Iran or whether one invades
Afghanistan or whatever... whether one dismantles one nuclear
warhead or the other dismantles another group of warheads -- you
would sit back and laugh if you had the capacity to laugh.
"You would present yourself indeed to some in a group who
would protect you [CIA or MJ-12] thinking they had a secret more
secret and more perfect knowledge of something than anyone else on
this planet had, and they would covet you and you would trust
their own greed and you would trust their own mass stupidity to
trap them. And you'd do it on both sides.
"You'd show yourself to some of the mass populace to further
involve [factions of] the government in an attempt to shut them
up, to keep them even more busy quieting them and trying to 'stop
more information about UFOs from getting out.' You'd have the mass
populace to a state where they distrusted the government. 'Oh, why
don't they believe us? Why can't they understand that these things
are really happening? We're not crazy!'
"So you would have battles constantly about whether UFOs
exist or they don't exist. You would have the public and the
government at each other's throats. You would set two major
superpowers at each other's throats. And you would have set up
groups like 'haves' -- the wealthy but contented -- and the 'have-
nots.' You would plant the seeds of massive discontent.
"Eventually you might have some show of ships landing in the
1990s. One or two. By the time they have landed, be assured they
will be in complete control. You will start doing crossbreeds and
more crossbreeds, generation after generation.
"You bribe the government with a few tidbits -- a Star Wars
system. You tease and tempt the Soviet Union with a laser system
far finer than any of their own scientists could think of. And you
always have that subtle inference -- just on the borderline of
consciousness so that UFOs don't seem to believable, yet you keep
it couched in secrecy and make it seem quite so insane that no one
would believe them. On top of it, you would unleash forces that
would want to kill them [UFO contactees] if they disclosed that
the CIA is dealing with the exact same things the [contact victim]
is.
"Maybe one or two hundred years from now, some of the Greys
will even physically mingle and you may have some creatures
walking around who are pretty much hybrids between Greys and your
own race. For now, anything that walks around will look much like
yourselves. It's simpler. It holds down on mass panic.
"Everyone who has experiences with them [Greys] will be at
odds with the government. To add to that, we will go into a
complete phased of earthquake after earthquake and upheaval after
upheaval.
"The inner core of the CIA is deeply controlled by the Greys.
The CIA sees interaction with the Greys as a path to greater
scientific achievement.
"One reason you are seeing so many different kinds of UFOs is
that other cultures are watching with extreme interest. Scientists
from other cultures arrive to watch. The Greys have not only taken
over the intelligence agencies, they have also taken over what
those agencies call 'lunatic fringe groups.'"
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Well, that's what they Nordic had to say. The source of this
also makes the following commentary:
"The ultimate evil is that masked form of psychological
complacency that leads one to adhere to a group philosophy rather
than eke out one's own horizons. As soon as you acquire an
awareness of being a so-called 'chosen special group,' you are on
the way to a fall. That is the seed of destruction in any society
and any culture and it leaves it vulnerable. It will be the
eventual undoing of the Greys as well. They see not their error --
it is the very weakness they seize upon that is their own inherent
weakness. To try and change a Grey, or a cultish type of 'Star
Person,' or a CIA member is futile. It will happen, but all in its
own good time... it is the spirit that makes anyone stand up and
disagree with something that is untrue and incorrect that will be
the thorn in the side of the Greys, and the other forces that have
allied with them."
During the occupation of the Greys, they have established
quite a number of underground bases all over the world, especially
in the United States. One such base (among others in the same
state) is under Archuleta Mesa, which is about 2.5 miles northwest
of Dulce, New Mexico. Details about that base have come across by
way of two sources. The first source is by way of an abduction of
a woman and her son who witnessed the pickup of a calf for
extraction of biological materials.
"In May, 1980, a most interesting case occurred in northern
New Mexico. A mother and her son were driving on a rural highway
near Cimarron when they observed two craft in the process of
abducting a calf. Both of them were then abducted and taken on
separate craft to the underground installation, where the woman
witnessed the mutilation of the calf. It was alleged that she also
observed vats containing cattle body parts floating in a liquid,
and another vat containing the body of a male human. The woman was
subjected to an exam and it was further alleged that small
metallic objects were implanted into her body as well as into her
son's body. More than one source has informed us that catscans
have confirmed the presence of these implants."
The above extract is from a transcript of a conversation
between Jim McCampbell and Dr. Paul Bennewitz on July 13, 1984.
Bennewitz reports that through regressive hypnosis of the mother
and child (required only in about 30% of abduction cases)and his
own follow-up investigation (including communications receive via
his computer terminal, which are ostensibly from a UFO-related
source), he was able to determine the location of the underground
facility: a kilometer underground beneath Archuleta Mesa on the
Jicarilla Apache Indian Reservation near Dulce, New Mexico (since
1976, one of the area of the U.S. hardest hit by mutilations).
Bennewitz' information is that this installation is operated
jointly as part of an on-going program of cooperation between the
U.S. government and EBEs.
There are also underground bases at Kirtland AFB and Holloman
AFB, as well as at scores of other bases around the world,
including Bentwaters, England.
Back to the base under discussion.... After Bennewitz briefed
Air Force officials on what he had found, a trip to the area
revealed the following data:
The base is 2.5 miles northwest of Dulce, and almost
overlooks the town. There is a level highway 36 feet wide going
into the area. It is a government road. One can see telemetry
trailers and buildings that are five-sided with a dome. Net to the
domes, a black limousine was noted -- a CIA vehicle. These limos
will run you off the road if you try to get into the area. To the
north there is a launch site. There are two wrecked ships there;
they are 36 feet long with wings, and one can see oxygen and
hydrogen tanks. The ships that we got out of the trade are atomic-
powered with plutonium pellets. Refueling of the plutonium is
accomplished at Los Alamos. The base has been there since 1948.
Some of the disks are piloted by the NSA. The base is 4,000
feet long and helicopters are going in and out of there all the
time. When it became known that Bennewitz was familiar with this,
the mutilations in the area stopped. In 1979, something happened
and the base was temporarily closed. There was an argument over
weapons and our people were chased out. The aliens killed 66 of
our people, and 44 got away.
One of the people who in fact got away was a CIA agent who,
before leaving, made some notes, photos, and videotapes, and went
into hiding. He has been in hiding ever since, and every six
months he contacts each of five people he left copies of the
material with. His instructions were that if he missed four
successive contacts, the people could do whatever they want with
the material.
This agent calls an individual known to MUFON. Somehow, a
description of the "Dulce Papers" was issued, and was received in
December, 1987, by many researchers. The "Dulce Papers" were
composed of 25 black and white photos, a videotape with no
dialogue and a set of papers that included technical information
regarding the jointly occupied (U.S.-Alien) facility one kilometer
beneath the Archuleta Mesa near Dulce, New Mexico. The facility
still exists and is currently operational. It is believed that
there are four additional facilities of the same type, one being
located a few miles to the southeast of Groom Lake, Nevada.
****************************************************************
"A general description of what these papers contain is that
they contain documents that discuss copper and molybdenum, and
papers that discuss magnesium and potassium, but mostly papers
about copper. Sheets of paper with charts and strange diagrams.
Papers that discuss UV light and gamma rays. These papers tell
what the aliens are after and how the blood (taken from cattle) is
used. The aliens seem to absorb atoms to eat. They put their hands
in blood, sort of like a sponge, for nourishment. It's not just
food they want; the DNA in cattle and humans is being altered. The
'Type One' creature is a lab animal. They know how to change the
atoms to create a temporary 'almost human being.' It is made with
animal tissue and depends on a computer to simulate memory, a
memory the computer has withdrawn from another human. Clones. The
'almost human being' is slow and clumsy. Real humans are used for
training, to experiment with and to breed with these 'almost
humans.' Some humans are kidnapped and used completely. Some are
kept in large tubes, and are kept alive in an amber liquid.
"Some humans are brainwashed and used to distort the truth.
Certain male humans have a high sperm count and are kept alive.
Their sperm is used to alter the DNA and create a non-gender being
called 'Type Two.' That sperm is grown in some way and altered
again, put in wombs. They resemble 'ugly humans' when growing but
look normal when fully grown, which only takes a few months from
fetus-size.
"They have a short life span, less than a year. Some female
humans are used for breeding. Countless women have had a sudden
miscarriage after about three months' pregnancy. Some never know
they were pregnant, others remember contact some way. The fetus is
used to mix the DNA in types one and two. The atomic makeup in
that fetus is half human, half 'almost human,' and would not
survive in the mother's womb. It is taken at three months and
grown elsewhere."
****************************************************************
Well, that's what the "Dulce Papers" review says. There are
some pen and ink reproductions of some of the photos made in the
laboratories (3), an illustration of what one of the wombs looks
like (2' x 4'), an illustration showing one of the tubes where one
of the "almost humans" is grown, a page showing a simple diagram
of crystalline metal, pure gold crystal, and what looks like
either a genetic or metallurgical diagram or chart. Also attached
is what looks like an x-ray diffraction pattern and a diagram of
hexagonal crystals, with a comment that they are best for
electrical conduction.
It would appear that the last half of material in the
"review" applies to the supercrystalline metal used for hull
structure, or something along that line.
****************************************************************
Obviously, this is all rather bizarre from a certain point of
view -- any point of view, in fact. Nevertheless, material that is
supported by years of descriptions and multitudes of
corroborations must mean something, especially when bumped against
what is seen to be going on.
It is apparent from this and other data that has been
accumulated over the years, that there are underground bases and
tunnel complexes all over the world, and that more are being
constructed all the time. Many of you may recall the "Shaver"
mysteries and inner-earth city stories. Well, all that is true.
There are cities down there, amongst other things, and some of
them have nothing to do with the main subject of this paper.
They've been there for a long time.
Let's change direction for a moment. One individual by the
name of Lew Tery has been working on some ideas regarding UFOs and
geomagnetic anomalies. I will go into what he has discovered
(although the concept of the relationship is not new) and let you
judge that for yourself.
After purchasing aeromagnetic and gravitational anomaly maps
from the United States Geological Survey, it becomes evident that
there was indeed a valid connection between these areas and UFOs.
Mr. Tery gave a lecture in Arizona about that relationship, and
was subsequently harassed by the FBI, and told that the
information is "sensitive." Mr. Tery took the hint and declined to
talk publicly about it to the degree that he had been doing.
Both the aeromagnetic and gravitational (Bougier Gravity)
maps indicate basic field strength, as well as areas of high and
low field strength. Interestingly enough, the areas of maximum and
minimum field strength have the following:
o All have frequent UFO sightings.
o All are either on Indian Reservations, government
land, or the government is trying to buy up the land.
o Many of them, especially where several are clustered
together, are suspected bases areas and/or areas
where mutilations and abductions have historically
taken place.
In these observations, Mr. Tery has gone far, but he has gone
a little farther in noting that there are times when the UFOs are
seen in these areas. Through painstaking research, Mr. Tery found
that the sightings, as well as many abductions and mutilations,
occur:
o On the new moon or within two days before the new
moon.
o On the full moon or within two days before the full
moon.
o At the perihelion (moon closest to earth) or within
two days before the perihelion.
A glance at the nearest farmers' almanac will give you the
information you require as far as the days for this year or any
other one. There seems to be no concrete explanation for the
coincidence of the times and the events, but it is true.
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Subject: FILE: OH Krill part 3
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* CONFIDENTIAL *
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A SITUATION REPORT ON OUR ACQUISITION OF ADVANCED
TECHNOLOGY AND INTERACTION WITH ALIEN CULTURES
by O.H. KRILL
The Men in Black
All things considered, UFO research has become pretty much of
a circus today, and the most intriguing and controversial sideshow
skirting the edges is the question of the "silencers," or the
mysterious "Men in Black." There is a strong subliminal appeal in
these accounts of visits by mysterious dark-suited figures (I have
been visited myself, as have others I've known) attempting to
silence UFO witnesses. A typical situation would be that a witness
has a UFO sighting or UFO-related experience. Shortly thereafter
he is visited by one or more "odd"-looking men who relate to him
the minutest details of his experience, even though he has as yet
told no one for fear of ridicule or other reasons.
The men warn him about spreading the story of his experience
around and sometimes even threaten him personally, sometimes
obliquely, sometimes directly. Any evidence, if it exists, is
confiscated in one way or another. Sometimes the visit is for some
totally meaningless reason and the subject of UFOs is hardly
mentioned, if at all. But again, the men all seem to look alike.
We actually seem to find ourselves in close proximity to
beings who obviously must be directly connected in some way with
the objects themselves or the source behind them, yet they seem to
be functioning unobtrusively within the framework of our own
everyday existence.
The classic conception of an MIB is a man of indefinite age,
medium height and dressed completely in black. He always has a
black hat and often a black turtleneck sweater. They present an
appearance often described as "strange" or "odd." They speak in a
dull monotone voice, "like a computer," and are dark-complected
with high cheekbones, thin lips, pointed chin, and eyes that are
mildly slanted.
The visitors themselves are often on absurd missions. They
have reportedly posed as salesmen, telephone repairmen or
representatives from official or unofficial organizations. Their
mode of transportation is usually large and expensive cars --
Buicks or Lincolns, sometimes Cadillacs, all black, of course.
I might note at this point that their physical appearance
also has included beings that have pale-greyish skin, and that
some of them have been seen to have blond hair, yet they wear the
clothing and drive the cars previously described.
Their cars often operate with the headlights off, but ghostly
purple or greenish glows illuminate the interior. Unusual insignia
have been seen emblazoned on the doors and the license plates are
always unidentifiable or untraceable.
The fabric of their clothes has been described as strangely
"shiny" or thin, but not silky -- almost as if they have been cut
from a new type of fabric.
Their often mechanical behavior has caused them to be
described by some as being like robots or androids (think back to
the Dulce lab).
A lot of descriptions of some of these "folks" are pretty
bizarre. A businessman's family in Wildwood, New Jersey, was
visited by an unusually large man whose pants legs hiked up when
he sat down, revealing a green wire grafted onto his skin and
running up his leg.
There are other cases of MIB appearing on the other side of a
wet, muddy field after a heavy rain, but having no mud whatever on
their brightly shined shoes and in the bitter cold, out of
nowhere, wearing only a thin coat. Their shoes and wallets all
seem new and hardly broken in.
They are not alone. They seem to have faceless conspirators
in the nation's post offices and phone companies. Researchers and
witnesses often report their mail going astray at an unusually
high rate and being bothered by bizarre phone calls where they are
spoken to by metallic, unhuman-sounding voices.
Unusual noises on the phone, intensifying whenever UFOs are
mentioned, and voices breaking in on conversations, have all led
many people to suspect that their phones are being tapped.
One can't discuss the MIB for long without mentioning the
name of John A. Keel, an author who has written much about them.
Keel has done more than any other writer to publicize this bizarre
aspect of the UFO situation. Keel suggests that the UFO are part
of the environment itself and come from another time-space
continua; that most of the UFO phenomena is psychic and
psychological rather than physical. Well, I personally would not
define it that way, although those two components are certainly
deeply involved in what's going on.
The first noted appearance of the MIB was in 1947, at the
scene of the Maury Island incident, where some debris was ejected
from a disk, and subsequently recovered by officials, who loaded
them on an Army bomber which crashed on takeoff.
To illustrate a little how bizarre some of the incidents are
regarding the MIB, I have assembled a short list of some of the
more interesting factors in some cases:
o An ex-Air Force man is gassed and interrogated by MIB
after he has learned classified NASA secrets.
o Closeup photos of UFOs were seized from a teenager
who is also directly threatened by MIB.
o MIB sighted in the lobby of the U.S. State Department
leave a mysterious artifact.
o MIB pose as Air Force officers to silence witnesses.
o MIB tries to buy before-hours Coke and sings to birds
in trees.
o MIB disintegrates a coin in a witness' hand and tells
him that his heart will do the same if he talks.
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Throughout all this information, I have neglected to mention
some aspects of the psychology of the Greys. Dr. Paul Bennewitz,
in his original report to the government entitled "Project Beta,"
goes into some detail, which I will now discuss:
o The alien, either through evolvement or because the
humanoid types are "made," will exhibit tendencies
for bad logic. They appear to have more frailties
and weaknesses than the normal Homo Sapien.
o They are not to be trusted.
o Because of the aliens' apparent logic system, a key
decision cannot be made without higher clearance.
All are under control of what they call "The Keeper,"
yet it would appear that even this is not the final
authority. Delays as long as 12-15 hours can occur
for a decision.
o Because of this apparent control, individual
instantaneous decision-making by the alien is
limited. If the "plan" goes even slightly out of
balance or context, they become confused. Faced with
this, possibly, the humanoids would be the first to
run.
o Psychologically their morale is near disintegration.
There is pronounced dissension in the ranks -- even
with the humanoids.
o Because of their own internal vulnerability mind-wise
to each other, there is a basic lack of trust between
them.
o They appear to be totally death-oriented, and because
of this, absolutely death-fear oriented. This is a
psychological advantage.
o The prime, and weakest area discovered, probed and
tested is exactly what they have used, thinking it
their key strength -- that being the manipulation of
and control of the mind. Manipulated in reverse-
psychology they face a situation where they have a
vulnerable, integrated weakness.
o They totally respect force.
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Grey Physiology and Anatomy
The approximate height of most specimens is between 3.5 and
4.5 feet. The head, by human standards, is large in comparison
with the body. Facial features show a pair of eyes described as
large, sunken or deeply set, far apart or distended more than the
human, and slightly slanted as Oriental or Mongoloid. No ear lobes
or apertures on the side of the head were seen. The nose is vague.
One or tow holes have been mentioned. The mouth area is described
as a small slit or fissure. In some cases there is no mouth at
all. It appears not to function as a means for communication or
for food. The neck area is described as being thin, in some
instances not being visible at all because of the tightly-knit
garment. Most observers describe these humanoids as being
hairless. Some of the bodies recovered have a slight hair-patch
atop the head. Others have what appears to be like a silver
skullcap. There were no breathing attachments or communications
devices. This suggests telepathy with higher intelligence. In one
instance there was an opening in the right frontal lobe area,
revealing a crystalline network. This network implies the
development of a third brain.
The arms are described as long and thin, reaching down to the
knee section. The hangers each contain four fingers, with no
thumbs. Three fingers are longer than the other. Some are very
long. Some are very long. Others are very short. No description is
available of the legs and feet. Some pathologists indicate that
that section of the body was not developed as we would anticipate,
showing that some of these beings were adapted to life in the
water. There was a webbing effect between the fingers on most of
the specimens.
According to most observers, the skin is grey. Some claim it
is beige, tan or pinkish-grey. No reproductive organs or
capabilities were discovered. No phallus. No womb. Confirms
cloning mentioned by other sources. The humanoids appear to be
from a mold, sharing identical racial and biological
characteristics. There is no blood as we know it, but there is a
fluid which is greyish in color.
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The "Taxonomy of Extra-Terrestrial Humanoids," another
offering by George Andrews, yields some other observations:
o Working under the instructions of the humanoids
from Rigel (the Greys), CIA and former Nazi
scientists have developed and deployed malignant
strains of bacteria and viruses, including AIDS, in
order to exterminate undesirable elements of the
human population.
o The Greys are almost entirely devoid of emotions,
but can obtain a "high" by telepathically tuning in
the different kinds of intense human emotion, such
as ecstasy or agony. (Does that explain why UFOs
have always been seen in regions of war and human
conflict?)
o There are over 1,000 humans in the United States
alone who are the offspring of intergalactic or
extragalactic beings and terrestrial humans. (The
son of an acquaintance of [deleted in original]
is one.)
o Throughout recorded history, as well as during
prehistoric times, there has been constant genetic
manipulation of and interbreeding with humans in
order to breed out the less evolved simian traits.
The Nordic races have participated in this from the
beginning, and we are as much a part of them as we
might suppose.
o Greys have the ability to camouflage themselves as
tall Blonds through mental energy projection. Blonds
never project themselves as Greys. Some Blonds seen
with the Greys are physically real, but are
prisoners of the Greys who have either paralyzed
them or have destroyed their ability to teleport
through time and other dimensions. Note: A lot of
the material obtained by George Andrews has as its
source a Blond that is a time traveler that escaped
the Grey takeover of their system.
o Both Blonds and Greys have the ability to
disintegrate matter into energy and then
reintegrate the energy back into matter. This
ability allows them to pass through walls and to
transport abductees out of their cars with the
doors still locked.
o The original Rigelians were the Blonds until they
were invaded by the Greys, a parasitic race, who
took over and interbred with them. The original
Rigelians were the ones who seeded the earth. It
is because of this common ancestry that terrestrial
humanity is of such interest to both the Blonds and
the Greys.
o Terrestrial human females can be impregnated either
on board ship or while they sleep in their homes.
Males need not be manifested in visible form for
this to occur.
o The Blonds now habitate the Procyon system. The
conflict between the Blonds and the Greys is in a
state of temporary truce, although the conflict
between the Rigelian and the Sirius system is being
fought actively.
o The Blonds with speech abilities will respond
violently if attacked or threatened, but the
telepathic ones will respond peacefully.
o Blonds were sometimes mistaken for angels in
earlier centuries. They do not seem to age, and
consistently appear to be from 27 to 35 human years
old.
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Confused? Well, now you can see why the natural diversity of
the way things are are hard to sort out for the average
researcher. The probability that this information is true or
partially true remains fairly high, based on analysis of what we
know about abductions and general contact between humans and EBEs
that has been documented.
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Real Esoterica -- Sirius and the MIB
Let's regress for a moment back to the MIB. According to John
Keel, the MIB often state that they are representatives of the
"Nation of the Third Eye."
Based on some of the info we have already researched, it is
apparent that Sirius has been in contact with us for a long time.
According to George Hunt Williamson (one of the early contactees)
in his book "Other Tongues, Other Flesh," the earth allies of
Sirius, i.e., the secret societies, use the Eye of Horus as an
insignia. This symbol has also been seen on the MIB. Secret
societies believe that there is a Great White Lodge on earth. They
call it Shamballa -- and consider it to be the spiritual center of
the world. Now, theosophists such as Alice Bailey say that the
Great White Lodge is on Sirius. If the All-Seeing-Eye is a symbol
of Sirius' earth-allies and the MIB wear that symbol, and if
Shamballa represents the Great White Lodge on earth -- then the
MIB are emissaries of Shamballa. Sirius and Shamballa are two
sides of the same coin. This is verified in the book "The
Undiscovered Country," by Stephen Jenkins. Jenkins was told by
Buddhist priests that Shamballa was located in the constellation
of Orion.
The entrance to Shamballa on earth is usually placed in the
trans-Himalayan region. Some assert it is in the heart of the Gobi
Desert (where there have been allegations of crashed disks and
bases). According to the explorer Nicholas Roerich, there are
caves in the Himalayan foothills that have subterranean passages.
In one of the these passages, there is a stone door that has never
been opened, because the time for its opening has not yet arrived.
In 1930, Doreal founded the Brotherhood of the White Temple. He
says that the entrance to Shamballa is far underground. he goes on
to say that space bends around Shamballa, and that there is a warp
which leads into another universe.
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Let's get back to something we can have more of a direct
handle on. Many times psychics have been called upon by
investigative authorities to evaluate situations, and in many
cases what they have contributed has been very helpful.
This was done in the case of animal mutilations back in 1980
by Peter Jordan, who engaged several psychics to render their
impressions from photos and maps of mutilations and mutilation
areas. What follows is a condensation of what was found during
this exercise.
Name of Psychic: Ronald Mangravite
o This animal has been dead a few days.
o Some parts are decaying faster than others.
o There is an overload of electrolytes in the body
possibly due to injection of a citrate.
o Something wrong with blood. Picking up higher
portion of plasma which may be lymphatic fluid.
o Two men working on the animal. Very sharp surgical
knives.
o Men dressed in black. Jumpsuits. Shiny black nylon.
o Winch line coming down from chopper.
o Men are skilled ex-military.
o Something is going to be done with the tissue.
o Flurometry connection. Spectrophotometers.
o Choppers are brown or grey.
o Underground implications.
o Experimentation with different analytical techniques.
Name of Psychic: Elisabeth Lerner
o Paramilitary forces.
o A serious invasion of American privacy.
o Non-American Indians part of secret project.
o The word "Annide."
o The word "Carmine" or "Karmine."
o The symbol "dk."
o A new wave of mutilations will strike near southwest
New Mexico.
o The Hobart Company is involved in this.
(Refrigeration equipment?)
o Three huge, doughnut-shaped objects will be seen in
conjunction with these new mutilations.
o Breakthrough in research.
o Muscle relaxant injections.
o Someone with the name "Empeda."
o This is a Mexican operation.
o Names "Kielman" and "Kelman."
o Institution with many Lincoln Continentals and
Cadillacs.
o Laboratory underground.
o Lilly Pharmaceuticals.
o Roman numerals IVIII [sic].
o Name "Stephano."
o The number "1714."
o Last name "Audler."
o First name "Mase."
o Last name "Audli."
o Jet rocket labs nearby.
o Domes above the ground.
o Vehicle ID # MP 1936. Small jeeps.
o Last name "Plento."
o Initials "C.B.P." heads operation. Wears brown
military shoes. Army.
o Number "1161."
o Around an oil field.
o Place where oil crosses in an "X" pattern.
o Chemical engineering connections.
o Mustard.
o Periscope device on bottom of craft. Chopper called
"The Shark."
o Man with blond hair. English features. High forehead.
Wears square ring. Insignia reads "C.B.P." Has
something to do with ammunition. Colonel.
Name of Psychic: Nancy Fuchs
o Dusk scene. Men talking about some animal's throat.
Something missing.
o Cylindrical object.
o Long thick object inserted into jugular vein.
o Powerful energy flow emanating from device used to
kill cattle.
o Feeling of tremendous anger and hostility.
o Research implication. Minerals needed for research.
o Intimidation of rancher Gomez.
o Embryos.
o Thousands of samples needed for this breeding effect.
o Crossbreeding.
o Animal dies in seconds.
o Jolts of electricity through animal.
o Breeding and genetics involved.
o Army background.
o Liquid-filled shoes leave no prints.
o Marshall. Army. Cap with black rim and gold braid.
Pompous. White-haired. Very influential. Walks into
Pentagon whenever he pleases. Commission given 15-18
years ago for mutilation project when he was
overseas. Grand Marshall. Friend of General
MacArthur. Lives in Dakotas. Money invested. High-
priority issue. Tall. Heavyset. Only 17 people know
of this.
o Project with $2.5 million allocated early in game for
breeding experimentation. Late 1960s through
Pentagon. More and more money invested every year.
o Land wanted. Want to destroy ranchers prime source
of income.
o John Mitchell connected to this.
o Howard Hughes.
o Uranium connection.
o Picture complex. Faction-ridden.
o Interest in speeding up growth of cattle.
o Importance of pancreas.
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Well, there you have that little presentation. I don't know
what exactly to make of it, but there it is. Certainly a non-UFO
implication here, however, it only relates to THREE mutilations.
How about the other 10,000 -- most of which have the UFO
connection? What did I tell you about a multi-level reality?
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At this point, I will put some references and excerpts from
some volumes that I believe are relevant to all the things we've
been talking about. Where I feel it is applicable, I will comment
on them.
"The Goblin Universe"
(p222) The ability to materialize mental constructs is not
unknown. Suppose one creates a field with the mind that is strong
enough to attract supercharged particles. The particles are real
but unstable in their assemblage since the stability depends on
the intermediate mental component.
(p223) Physical aspect of UFOs and other phenomena lie in the
behavior of electromagnetic fields.
(p124) If all UFO incidents were chance encounters, someone
would have obtained a filmed record or a series of stills years
ago. The only way that such episodes can be engineered so that
they remain total mysteries is for the entities to have advance
knowledge of any situation before it occurs.
(p117, referencing John Keel) These entities labor to
cultivate belief in various frames of reference, and then they
create new manifestation which support those beliefs.
(p120) Illness is common after close contact with some
beings.
(p122) Guy Underwood classified primary geomagnetic currents
into three classes: water lines, aquastats, and track lines. Some
magnetic signals appear as spirals, others are linear. Gnats and
flies congregate above magnetic patterns.
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"Extra-Terrestrials Among Us"
(p2-3) On several occasions after UFOs flew over missile
sites, it was found that the targeting of the missiles had
changed, and the warheads had to be replaced.
(p3) On 22 June 1980 a UFO that was 10 miles in diameter was
reported over the Kuwait oil fields.
(p4) On July 30, 1985, a UFO over Mongolia that was 10 km in
diameter was reported heading south. It was sighted by a Chinese
jet and reported in the "Japan Times." The Unites States ignored
this report.
(p8) JANAP-146 specifies up to 10 years in prison and $10,000
in fines for anyone in government service who makes unauthorized
public statements about UFO phenomena. The British Official
Secrets Act makes similar provisions.
(p9) Many routes of UFOs take the form of an isosceles
triangle.
(p16) On September 14, 1978, a UFO as big as an ocean liner
flew over Italy, and over Rome on the 15th and 16th.
Comment: This was two weeks before Pope John Paul I was found
dead under suspicious circumstances. He was killed between
September 28-29. Autopsy was refused. It was rumored he intended
to reveal the Fatima message of 1917.
(p 20) UFOs dart around in daylight at speeds which cannot be
seen.
(p22) An individual having one CE experience usually has
another.
(p24) There is no basis to support psychiatric pathology for
UFO witnesses.
(p24) Dr. Brian T. Clifford (Pentagon) announces on October
5, 1982, that contact between U.S. citizens and extraterrestrials
on their vehicles is illegal. Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code
of Federal Regulations (adopted July 16, 1969, before the first
manned lunar landing) says that anyone guilty of this becomes a
wanted criminal to be jailed for one year and fined $5,000. The
NASA administrator is empowered to determine WITH OR WITHOUT A
HEARING that a person has been "ET-exposed" and impose
INDETERMINATE quarantine under armed guard, which cannot be broken
even by court order.
(p89) Mars has a history of transient phenomena.
(p90) Temporary brilliant spots on Mars were reported by
astronomers in 1890, 1892, 1900, 1911, 1924, 1937, 1952, 1954,
1967, and 1971. The distribution was non-random. Intensely dark
spots, transient in nature, were reported on Mars in 1925, 1952,
and 1954.
(p93) About 33% of abductees are able to remember the
experiences without hypnotic regression. 66% of the abductees were
alone when abducted.
(p94) Some abductees did not return but vanished permanently
or were found dead after a UFO encounter.
(p25) Records of the 687 B.C. battle between the Assyrians
and the Hebrews indicate that "a blast from heaven" reduced the
bodies of 185,000 Assyrians to ashes but left their clothes
intact.
(p145) Morris K. Jessup died under mysterious circumstances
after a copy of his book "Case for the UFO" was sent to the Chief
of the Office of Naval Research (ONR) in Washington.
(p146 -- comments from "Case for the UFO")
o Falls from the sky of flesh, blood, reptiles, etc.,
were due to either spoiled food or cleaning of
holding tanks.
o Comments describe TWO different space races who share
the planet with us without our knowledge. They are
not visitors -- they have been here longer than we
have. They feel more at ease in the ocean.
o The little men were almost wiped out by a serpent
race identified only as the "S-men." S-men are
ravenous for red meat, extremely materialistic, and
are greedy for power. Comment: Sounds like the Deros
of Shavarian fame.
(p147) Thanks to Allen Dulles in partnership with Reinhard
Gehlen, the Gestapo was transplanted intact into the United States
system as the CIA, without the knowledge or consent of American
citizens. Comment: Remember Reagan placing wreaths on graves of SS
stormtroopers at the 40th anniversary of WWII? Roots of that
symbolic gesture go deep.
(p147) Reference the Intelligence Identity Protection Act of
1981: Freedom to speak about anything but the CIA. Some claim that
concentration camps have already been built. Activation was sealed
by Executive Order Rex 84. The next REX exercise in in 1988.
(p148) Jessup: "I believe that space structures of 5-10 miles
in diameter are sufficiently large to produce intelligently
directed storms."
(p150) Alleged alien comment in annotated edition of "Case
for the UFO": "Men frozen helpless make good prey."
(p151) Dr. James E. McDonald thought that the Federal Power
Commission was evading the evidence concerning UFO involvement in
the total power failure that paralyzed New York on July 13, 1965,
and dared to say so in front of a Congressional committee.
(p152) On June 13, 1971, James E. McDonald was found dead
under mysterious circumstances, shot through the head with a
pistol by his side.
(p153) Murder disguised as suicide is one of the well-known
specialties of the CIA.
(p153) There is ample documentation suggesting that among the
highest-priority covert operations of the CIA are those supplying
heroin to the Mafia. The "war on drugs" is in fact a war on the
independent drug dealer who constitutes a threat to the Mafia
monopoly. Comment: Additional ways to subdue the population or
eliminate undesirables?
(p156) Karen Silkwood's murder disguised as auto accident.
(p159) George Adamski, contactee in the 1950s had a special
government passport. Possible CIA disinformation agent.
(p162) Although mutilations were reported in England as early
as 1904-1905, ("Winter of Weirdness"), the large-scale operations
there began in 1973.
(p163) A rancher and his sons saw a UFO as big as a hotel
which was accompanied by four smaller ones. Rectangular in shape,
300-400 feet long, and 60 feet high. A helicopter approached it
and turned into a small UFO.
(p163) Phantom cars appear on roads, follow people, and
disappear.
(p163) A rancher and his wife looked at a UFO 5/8 of a mile
away and reported that two appendages emerged from the egg-shaped
object.
(p164) Apparently UFOs have the capability of invisibility.
(p164) Materialization of a Bigfoot before a witness.
(p164) Dematerialization of Bigfoot before witness who shot
it with a 16-gauge shotgun at point-blank range into its stomach.
(p166) On August 21, 1975, a sheriff was chasing an unmarked
helicopter in his plane in southwestern Nebraska at 0430 when
the lights on the helicopter went out, and the only thing seem on
the ground was a missile silo.
(p166) About the time mutilations began in earnest (1973
wave), a new branch of science was beginning to develop --
biogeochemistry -- analysis of mineral and oil deposits by
analysis of tissues of herbivorous animals.
(p168) An elderly lady in Arkansas in 1979 injured herself
and was cut during a fall. The injuries were repaired by two
aliens, who gave her a piece of metal with pyramids and six-
pointed stars on it. The aliens told her they "consumed juice,"
but not the kind consumed by humans. Six weeks later, she was out
looking for her dog and spotted a horse lying on its side,
unconscious.
Two men in white, dressed like surgeons, were at work on the
horse. There were two Air Force helicopters parked in the
clearing, two men in Air Force uniforms, and the same two aliens
who had helped her after her fall. The lady was spotted by the
group and she was overtaken by a helicopter which flashed a blue
light on her which burned her clothing. Help arrived as the
helicopter retreated, and she was brought to the local hospital.
People having nothing to do with the hospital staff began turning
up to question her. After release she was harassed at all hours by
strangers who insisted on questioning her, repeating the same
questions over and over again. The couple moved to a different
state, only to have it start all over again. MUFON began
investigating this case, but as of 1986 had not yet made public
its conclusions. Research into the case began in 1980.
(p171) Tissue samples taken from a carcass revealed the
presence of chlorpromazine, a tranquilizer.
(p171 comment by Gabe Valdez) "Whoever is doing these
mutilations are highly organized and have a lot of resources."
(p172) The theory of biogeochemical basis for the mutilations
fails to account for the fact that mutilations are worldwide.
(p174) When FBI agent Rommel was given $50K to investigate
the mutilations in one district in New Mexico, all mutilations in
that district stopped during the year.
(p177) The Condon Report, Rommel Report, and the Warren
Report all have a resemblance.
(p177) The human tendency to avoid facing unpleasant facts
may allow parasitic entities to "farm us."
(p178) A seven-year-old heifer was found whose unborn calf
had been removed with breaking the placental bag.
(p181) U.S. Senate lied to by Pentagon in 1968 during Senate
hearings on UFOs.
(p200) In an anonymous letter to a Denver paper on April 8,
1983, it was told that the mutilations are being done by a secret
government group called Delta. Animal parts are used to test
effects of germ warfare and poison (cyanide and dioxin) they are
testing on civilians in America. Testing is associated with black
helicopters. Helicopters are also used to ferry heroin and
cocaine. Delta bases said to be all underground on Indian
Reservations. HQ for operations and where a lot of choppers are
based in 28 miles east of Albuquerque on I-40, then 14 miles north
on a dirt road into the Laguna Indian Reservation. Comment:
Disinformation attempt?
(p204, UPI story, February 2, 1984) Dr. James Womack at
Texas A&M University announced his discovery that humans share
"perfect match" chromosomes with cattle. The perfect match is with
portions of the 21st chromosome pair, a strand known to carry
characteristics of Mongolism or Down's Syndrome, associated with
mental retardation. Dr. Womack says, "We must have more in common
than previously believed."
(p205, 1984 letter) A recent arrival on the nutritional scene
is protomorphogens, or glandulars -- ground up glands of cattle. If
one takes these for a year you get "hooked" on them. Your own
glands stop producing hormones.
Many EBEs have no alimentary canals and no glands.
In some cancer clinics, these glandulars are used to treat
cancer victims, and so are glands from human fetuses.
(p206) What is happening with the mutilations would make
sense in human terms if the location on which the cattle grazed
was important, or the parts taken could be used geobiologically
(which they aren't).
(p208) UFOs are: Extraterrestrial, ultraterrestrial,
interdimensional, and time travelers.
(p208) Some UFOs behave as if the UFO itself was a living
organism. Comment: Refer to Trevor James Constable's book "Sky
Creatures," for a discussion of biological aeroforms, of "Flying
Saucers at Etibi-Raa," by Wendell Stevens for a discussion of just
that subject.
(p208) Entities with cyborg-like traits, having both
mechanical and biological features, turn up quite frequently in
reports.
(p208) It is odd that among the viruses there are some that
look like UFOs, like T. Bacteriophage. Do some UFO have the
ability to operate in the micro-dimension of viruses? Comment: In
the discipline of Yoga is noted the ability to become large or
small.
(p209) Anyone with more access to even one more dimension
than we have access to could evade our most carefully planned
investigations indefinitely.
(p210) Modern brain capacity: 1300cc
Cro-magnon man: 1400cc
Baskop man (megroid [sic] race): 1800cc
The last two appeared quite suddenly.
(p210) Theory of Max H. Flindt attributes paradoxically rapid
development of the human brain to interbreeding between primitive
humanity and ETs.
According to Flindt, schizophrenia is caused by subconscious
racial memory of the ET branch of the family tree, longing for
home. Considerable differences between glandular and nervous
systems between primitive humans and ETs would provide a basis for
traumatic tension associated with regressed memory.
(p210) Our civilization has forgotten the existence of other
intelligent beings in the universe.
(p211) The idea that Homo Sapiens is unique is becoming no
longer tenable.
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A SITUATION REPORT ON OUR ACQUISITION OF ADVANCED
TECHNOLOGY AND INTERACTION WITH ALIEN CULTURES
by O.H. KRILL
Well, as if this weren't enough, let's examine the basic
allegations that were raised by Gary Stollman when he held an
empty BB gun to David Horowitz on KNBC Channel 4, Los Angeles, in
October, 1987. Gary clearly though that he was alone in his
knowledge, and evidently turned to desperation to have the public
become aware of what he knew. For the sake of brevity, I will
simply summarize the allegations, and make comments where I wish
to do so:
o His physical father is in fact a clone created by
the CIA and alien forces.
o Cloning is a part of a plot to overthrow the U.S
government.
o The CIA maintains mental-retraining hospitals.
o Phones were turned off at Rohlman Psychiatric
Hospital in Cincinnati for 48 hours after his
arrival.
o A former CIA official had an interview on KPFK radio
in which he told a college audience that the CIA has
towed barges across New York Harbor that were
disease-ridden.
o The CIA may have created the AIDS virus to wipe out
the gay population. Comment: Hmmm, where have we
heard THAT before?
o The CIA assassinated John F. Kennedy and the 22
material witnesses who died with two years. Comment:
Hmmmm, I have heard that as well.
o He demands that the Air Force release all
information on UFOs.
o He demands that the information about Hanger 18 at
Wright-Patterson [AFB] be released.
o He relates that he spoke to a girl at Florida Junior
College who told him that seven of her friends had
been "replaced."
o The CIA doesn't trust people on computers.
o Individuals at the Optimist Boys School in Pasadena
were recruited by others and given false IDs and
birth certificates.
o There is a secret group led by the President's own
staff.
o There are beings around with the power to teleport
instantly and do the same to others; who can read
and control minds, and transform matter into other
forms and create it at will.
o He asks for a congressional investigation and
federal protection.
o He states that he cannot harm anyone with an empty
BB gun.
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Well, what do you think? [Name deleted in original, replaced
with the word "MUFON"] contacted Mr. Stollman's lawyer in
December, 1987, and told him that some of what Gary had said may
be true. His lawyer promptly made himself scarce.
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For some of you who keep an eye on the news, the President
(Reagan) has said some mighty interesting things in some speeches
of his:
To the students of Fallston High School in Fallston, Maryland, on
December 4, 1985, he said:
"I couldn't but -- one point in our discussions with General
Secretary Gorbachev -- when you stop to think that we're all God's
children, wherever we may live in the world, I couldn't help but
say to him, just think how easy his task and mine might be in
these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this
world from some other species from another planet outside in the
universe. We'd forget all the little local differences that we
have between our countries and we would find out once and for all
that we really are all human beings on this earth together.
"Well, I don't suppose we can wait for some alien race to
come down and threaten us...."
To the 42nd General Assembly of the United Nations, September 21,
1987:
"In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often
forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we
need some outside universal threat to make us recognize this
common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences
worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from
outside this world. And yet, I ask you, is not an alien force
already among us? What could be more alien to the universal
aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?"
Comment: Apparently Mr. Reagan doesn't realize that war is NOT
alien to the aspirations of peace -- it's always been here.
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Does Mr. Reagan know something that we know but the general public
doesn't know about what is happening and what will happen within
the next five years?
General Types of Entities
The Greys are known to be of three types:
o Grey 1: 3.5 feet tall. Large head. Large slanted eyes. Worship
Technology and don't care about us. Type popularized in
"Communion" by Strieber.
o Grey 2: Same general appearance, although has a different
finger arrangement and a slightly different face.
More sophisticated than Grey 1. They possess a degree
of common sense and are somewhat passive. It is not
known if they require the secretions needed by Grey 1.
o Grey 3: Same basic type. Lips thinner. Subservient to other
two types.
Other entities known to frequent this planet:
o Blonds/Swedes/Nordics: Known by any of these names. Similar to
us. Blond hair, blue eyes. Will not break law of non-
interference to help us. Would only intervene if the
Greys' activity would affect other parts of the
universe.
o Interdimensional: Entities that can assume a variety of shapes.
Basically of a peaceful nature.
o Short Humanoids: 1.5 to 2.5 feet tall, skin bluish in color.
Seen quite frequently in Mexico near Chihuahua.
o Hairy Dwarfs: 4 feet tall. Weigh about 35 pounds. Hairy.
Neutral. Respect intelligent life.
o Very Tall Race: Look like us but 7-8 feet tall. United with
the Swedes.
o Nordic Clones: Appear similar to us but with grey tinge to their
skin. These are drones created by the Greys. Child-
like mentality.
o Men-In-Black (MIB): Oriental or olive-skinned. Eyes sensitive to
light. Eyes have vertical pupils. Very pale skin in
some types. Do not conform easily to our social
patterns. Usually wear black clothes, drive black cars,
and wear sunglasses. In groups they all dress alike.
Sometimes time-disoriented. they cannot handle a
psychological "curve-ball" or interruption to their
plan. Often intimidate UFO witnesses and impersonate
government officials. Equivalent of our CIA. From
another galaxy.
Although there are some 40 or more known types of aliens visiting
our world at the present time, these are the most commonly seen
types.
Extract of information from: "UFO Contact from Undersea,"
Sanchez/Stevens
Section 1: Regression session, Filiberto Cardenas (subject)
Event date: 3 January 1979 UFO CEIII
During the regression session(s) the following
information came forth:
1. Subject was taken to one of three pyramid bases. Two pyramid
bases are under ocean, one on land. Subject was taken to base
between Berin and Santiago of the coast of Chile. Other underwater
base is in the Atlantic in an unspecified location. The base was
entered through an underwater tunnel. The aliens stated that they
had been there 36 months at that time.
2. Aliens told the subject that there were six (6) other
individuals whom the aliens had contacted.
3. Subject stated that the aliens voiced that they were eventually
going to make themselves known to the world.
4. Aliens stated that they control the Chinese, and they have
provided the Chinese with a device that can "paralyze cities and
towns completely."
5. Aliens stated that the device will cause a change that "is
going to be something for which the world cannot wait." The
Chinese are to provoke certain unspecified changes, and that in
those changes, "people who are negative will disappear."
6. Subject remembers seeing (future) scenes of people running
disoriented along roads, and that there is a disaster coming.
7. Details of underwater tunnel described as walls of " firmed
water," not rock. The ship evidently generated a force field which
repelled the water around it.
8. Devices were supposedly installed in subject's head by aliens.
Subsequent x-rays revealed nothing.
(Session 3)
1. First contact with these groups of aliens began 4,000 years
ago.
2. It has been thousands of years since this group last descended
to earth.
3. If progress on earth does not continue, aliens will use more
forceful demonstrations to get their point across that we must
have peace and progress.
4. Subject was interrogated for 15 days after the events by US
security and intelligence services.
5. Information from aliens had also to do with "an atrocity in the
plans certain forces on earth had planned."
6. Subject was seven years old when contact with aliens first
occurred.
7. Aliens have ability to dematerialize their craft.
8. Aliens stated that we should beware of other alien groups who
will present themselves in a good light but if they pursue "bad
objectives against us they could do two things. They could destroy
this planet with the same arms that this planet has, or on the
contrary, transport away all our arms in one operation, which
would take no more than 20 minutes of our time. They can be
visible or not, whatever they choose."
8. [sic] Treatise references 81 other crossbreeds from (negative)
aliens who have performed duties on earth. Half alien-half
earthling = Crossbreed
9. Aliens spoke of great portions of land and whole cities will
[sic] disappear. Mexico City and major cities in California.
History and Operations -- Operation Trojan Horse
The amusing little mystery of flying saucers slowly evolves
into a complicated series of coincidences and paradoxes as we
plunge deeper and deeper into the data, excluding nothing, and
considering everything as objectively as possible.
Our skies have been filled with "Trojan Horses" throughout
history, and like the original Trojan Horse, the SEEM to conceal
hostile intent.
Several facts are now apparent:
o The objects have always chosen to operate in a
clandestine manner, furtively choosing the hours of
darkness for their enigmatic activities over thinly-
populated areas, where the possibility of being detected
is slight.
o The hostility factor is further supported by the fact
that the objects chose, most often, to appear in forms
which we can readily accept and explain to our own
satisfaction -- ranging from dirigibles to meteors and
conventional-appearing airplanes.
o The objects of unusual configuration, undoubtedly
constituting a deceptive minority of all the
paraphysical objects flitting about in our atmosphere.
In other words, flying saucers are not at all what we have
hoped they were. They are a part of something else. John A. Keel
called that something else "Operation Trojan Horse."
When one really digs into UFO literature, it readily becomes
clear that the ultraterrestrials deliberately conveyed whatever
impression that would meet the available frame of reference for
that time.
Until 1848, the religious frame of reference was constantly
used by the phenomenon. As man's technology improved many of our
old beliefs were discarded and the "phenomenon" was obliged to
update its manifestations and establish new frames of reference.
No more objects were seen in 1947 than had been seen in 1847. We
were simply seeing them in a new way. A new game was being played
with us.
A new game has emerged: the artifact or hardware game. The
phenomenon has always obliged us by planting false evidence all
over the landscape.
UFO cultists trapped themselves into a hopeless situation
almost from the outset. The apparent purpose of most of the
landings seems to have been to advance belief in the frame of
reference, not to provide absolute proof that the frame of
reference is authentic.
Physical Evidence
All kinds of junk have fallen out of the sky throughout
recorded history. Ivan T. Sanderson has in his files extensive
lists that go back to Roman times. Ridiculous things such as stone
pillars and heavy metal wheels have come crashing out of the blue,
and there are countless cases of ice blocks, some weighing
hundreds of pounds, dropping all over this planet. The flying
saucers have been spewing all kinds of trash all over the
landscape. In nearly every instance, these materials always prove
to be ordinary earthly substances like magnesium, aluminum,
chromium, and even plain old tin. Each of these incidents give the
skeptics new ammunition.
Mysterious hollow spheres have also been dropping out of the
sky all over the world. Three such spheres were found in the
Australian desert in 1963. They were about 14 inches in diameter
and had a shiny polished surface. Efforts to open the spheres
failed, and they were turned over to the USAF. Other metal spheres
have dropped out of the sky in Mexico (1967) and Conway, Arkansas
(1967). The Mexican steel ball was identified as titanium, the one
in Arkansas steel.
Smaller colored spheres were found scattered over the French
countryside in 1966-67, as if it had been raining balls there.
Where is all this stuff coming from? The same place as the stone
pillars and blocks of ice. Innumerable cases of contact and
landings have been flushed down the ufological drain because of
the deliberate "negative factors." Sincere witnesses have actually
been ruined because the amateur UFO investigators have accused
them of being liars and worse.
Another fascinating game which the ufonauts play with a
vengeance is the "repair" gambit. Beginning in 1897, there has
been an endless stream of stories and reports, many from reliable
witnesses, on how they encountered a grounded UFO and observed the
occupants making repairs of some kind. The basic details in all
these stories are so similar that it seems as if the ufonauts are
following a carefully rehearsed procedure.
Generally speaking, there are three (3) types of beings
observed in relation to UFOs:
o Normal-looking people, including females.
o Oriental, dark-skinned beings.
o Unidentifiable creatures, who have made a real effort to
hide from witnesses.
Oddly enough, when all the reports and the data is in, the
scope of the phenomenon and the overwhelming quantity of reports
negates its validity. An analysis of cases indicates that flying
saucers are not, in most cases, stable machines requiring fuel,
maintenance, and logistical support. Most of them are, in all
probability, transmutations of energy from other dimensions and do
not exist in the same way that this paper exists.
The UFO phenomenon seems to be largely subjective: that is,
specific kinds of people become involved and are actually
manipulated by the phenomenon in the same way that it manipulates
matter. These subjective experiences are far more important to our
study that the "random" superficial sightings. We are obliged to
forget about the sightings and concentrate on the claims and
experiences of the contactees.
Thousands of UFO photos have been taken since 1882. There's
just one problem. With very few exceptions, no two UFO photos are
alike. The sightings force two unacceptable answers upon us:
o All the witnesses were mistaken or lying.
o Some tremendous unknown civilization is exerting an all-
out effort to manufacture thousands of different types of
UFOs and is sending them all to our planet.
The governments of the world overtly have maintained
variations of the first proposal. UFO enthusiasts accept the
second. There is a third proposal which merits some attention:
some "hard" objects definitely exist as temporary materializations
from other dimensions. They leave indentations in the ground when
they land. Witnesses have touched them and even been inside them.
These "hard" objects may be decoys to cover the multitudinous
activities of the "soft" objects. The "soft" objects hold one of
the keys of the mystery. There are countless sightings of objects
which changed size and shape in front of witnesses who often get
the impression that it was alive, that it was not behaving like a
mechanical object at all.
There is no question at all that there are intelligences that
can manipulate or materialize any kind of object into our
dimension. Let's take a look, for a second, at the electromagnetic
spectrum. As you know, our visual spectrum makes up a small
portion of the whole. Look at what's involved with UFOs:
Ultraviolet
Blue UFO ENTRY FIELD _________________
Cyan ____________________________________
Green Visible
Yellow
Red __________________ Spectrum
Magenta _________________
Infra-red UFO DEPARTURE
Heat FIELD
Radio
If you will relate this to cases that you are familiar with,
as far as appearance, spectrum shift when in flight, etc., you
will see the applicability of the above diagram.
When UFO stabilize in our dimension they radiate energy on
all frequencies and become glowing white. Radical maneuvers
require a frequency alteration, which produces color changes. It
is interesting to note that in Blue Book Report #14, they replaced
the phrase "Electromagnetic Phenomenon" with the word "Unknown" in
a majority of those cases. Why? There is no doubt that again, a
situation exists where we have multiple realities within the UFO
realm as well. It is clear that we are not dealing with random ET
visitors. It has an extreme element of intention to do with all of
it. Mutilations started in April, 1897, with the abduction of
Alexander Hamilton's calf, witnessed by several people. That is
one of the constants that has been with us that has not changed
frame of reference. How many people give thought to the three
dark-skinned wise men who appeared before the birth of Jesus,
spread the reality of the happening, and disappeared again. All
the dark-skinned men in threes. MIB. It makes you wonder. Hmmmm.
Charting the Enigma
Well, here we are again. Taking a sample of 33% of 10,000 or
so cases, or about 3,330 cases, we find that 730 are so-called
Type I, a low-level object observed and reported by reliable
witnesses. It was found that 2,600 were Type II, high-altitude
objects performing in a controlled manner and distinct from normal
aircraft and natural phenomena. The time of the sightings depends
on where you are. If you are in a rural area, sightings
conveniently begin after 10 p.m. A populated area would have them
between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. For some reason, in many "flaps,"
Wednesday had about 20.5% of the sightings. Hmmm.
Now, if the UFO phenomenon (and I dislike that word) had a
purely psychic basis then I would think there would be more
sightings on a Saturday, when people are statistically out and
about than on Wednesday. There are notable exceptions to
everything of course, one of which was the "flap" of August 16,
1966, which was on a Tuesday.
Reports seem to cluster within political boundaries of
states, as if there were a methodical exploration of states from
border to border. If the UFO were a natural occurrence, one would
expect otherwise.
Thousands of sightings can be fitted into the "great circle"
route, and often the dates are staggered so that it appears that
the phenomenon moves systematically from point to point.
Every state in the United States has from two to ten
"windows." These are areas where UFOs appear repeatedly year after
year. The objects will appear in these places and pursue courses
confined to sectors with a radius of about 200 miles. The great
circle from Canada (not to be confused with the traditional Great
Circle) in the northwest through the central states and back into
northeast Canada is a major window. Hundreds of smaller windows
lie within that circle. Another major window is centered in the
Gulf of Mexico and encompasses much of Mexico, Texas and the
Southwest.
As mentioned previously, many windows center directly over
area of magnetic deviation.
UFOs seem to congregate about the highest available hills in
these window areas. They become visible in these centers and then
radiate outward, traveling sometimes 100-200 miles before
disappearing again.
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Among the great heaps of neglected and ignored UFO data, we
find hundreds of "minipeople" accounts. These are very rarely
published anywhere because they tend to be so unbelievable. Most of
them are identical to the fairy and gnome stories of yesteryear.
Witnesses to these events can experience conjunctivitis, akinesia
(paralysis), amnesia, and the other effects often noted by
witnesses to more conventional events. One notable event is one
that occurred in Seattle, Washington, in the latter part of
August, 1965. A woman awoke around 2 a.m. and discovered she could
not move a muscle or make a sound. Her window was open, and
suddenly a tiny, football-sized dull-grey object floated through
the window and hovered over the carpet near her bed. Three legs
lowered from the object and it settled to the floor. A small ramp
extended from it and five or six tiny people clambered out and
seemed to work on some kind of repairs on the object. They wore
tight-fitting clothing. When they were finished, they got in and
the object took off and sailed out the window. At that point, she
was able to move. The case was investigated by J. Russell Jenkins
of Seattle.
You can readily see why almost none of these kinds of stories
ever appear in print, except in occult-oriented literature.
Nevertheless, if we hope to assess the true UFO situation, we must
examine all these stories. We can learn nothing by considering
only those incidents which are emotionally and intellectually
acceptable to us.
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TIME is one of the most important aspects of the UFO thing.
It plays a strange but significant role. Part of the answer may
not lie in the stars but in the clock ticking on your fireplace.
Our world exists in three dimensions. We can move in many
directions within these dimensions. Space does not exist except
when we make it exist. To us, the distance between atoms in our
matter is so minute that it can only be calculated with
hypothetical measurements. Yet, if we lived on an atom, and our
size was relative to its size, the distance to the next atom would
seem awesome.
There is another man-made measurement called time. Unlike the
other three dimensions, time has us seemingly trapped. Time
becomes very real to us, and it appears that we couldn't live
without it. Yet time doesn't really exist at all. This moment
exists to us. Does this mean the same moment is being shared by
other planets?
The UFO phenomenon does seem to be controlled. It does follow
intelligent patterns. If the objects themselves are manifestations
of higher energies, then something has to manipulate those
energies somehow and reduce them to the visible frequencies. Not
only do they enter the visible frequencies, but they take forms
which seem physical and real to us, and they carry out actions
which seem to be intelligent.
Thus we arrive at the source. The source has to be a form of
intelligent energy operating at the highest possible point of the
frequency spectrum. If such an energy exists at all, it might
permeate the universe and maintain equal control of each
component part. Because of its very high frequency, so high that
the energy particles are virtually standing still, the source has
no need to replenish itself in any way that would be acceptable to
our environmental sciences. It could actually create and destroy
matter by manipulating the lower energies. It would be timeless,
because it exists beyond all time fields. It would be infinite
because it is not confined by three-dimensional "space."
Children. Children figure neatly into this, and they always
have. The child's mind, especially before the so-called age of
reason when the logic circuits begin to form, is a clear
instrument, open and uninfluenced by opinions and conclusions.
This is an important point in the UFO mystery.
Perhaps if we were in a pure energy state, each particle of
energy would itself serve as a synapse, and information could be
stored by a slight alteration in frequency. All the memory
fragments of a rose, for example, would be recorded at one
frequency, and the whole energy form could tune into that memory
by adjusting frequencies, as we might adjust a radio receiver. In
other words, no complex circuitry would be required. No body would
be necessary. The energy patterns would not need material form. It
would permeate the entire universe. It could surround you
completely at this very moment and be aware of all the feeble
impulses of low energy passing through your brain. If it so
desired, it could control those pulses and thus control your
thoughts. Man has always been aware of this intelligent energy or
force. He has always worshipped it.
Our first conclusion is that the UFOs originate from beyond
our own time frame or time cycle. Our second conclusion is that
the source has total foreknowledge of human events and even of
individual lives. Since time and space are not absolutes, these
two conclusions are compatible.
It is that all human events occur simultaneously when viewed
by a greater intelligence. If a greater intelligence wants to
communicate with a lower form, all kinds of problems are
presented. The communication must be conducted in a manner which
will be meaningful and understandable to the lower life form. An
acceptable frame of reference must be found and utilized.
UFO phenomenon, especially the "soft" ones, are frequently
reflective; that is, the observed manifestations seem to be
deliberately tailored and adjusted to the individual beliefs and
attitudes of the witnesses. Contactees are given information
which, in most cases, conforms to their beliefs. UFO researchers
who concentrate on one particular aspect or theory find themselves
inundated with seemingly reliable reports which seem to
substantiate that theory.
John Keel's extensive experiences with this reflective factor
led him to carry out weird experiments which confirmed that a
large part of the reported data is engineered and deliberately
false. The witnesses are not the perpetrators, but merely the
victims.
The apparent purpose of all this false data is multifold.
Much of it is meant to create confusion and diversion. Some of it
has served to support certain beliefs which were erroneous but
which would serve as stepping-stones to the higher, more complex
truth. Whole generations have come and gone, happily believing in
the false data, unaware that they were mere links in the chain.
If it were all understood too soon, we might crumble under
the weight of the truth. This earth is covered with windows into
those other unseen worlds. If we had the instruments to detect
them, we would find that these windows are the focal points for
super high-frequency waves -- the "rays" of ancient lore. These
rays might come from Orion or the Pleiades as the ancients
claimed, or they might be part of the great force that emanates
throughout the universe. The UFOs have given us the evidence that
such rays exist. Now, slowly, we are being told why.
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It is also apparent that some entities are having a good
laugh at our expense. As mentioned before, literature indicates
that the phenomenon carefully cultivated the religious frame of
reference in early times, just as the modern manifestations have
carefully supported the extraterrestrial frame of reference.
The Devil's emissaries of yesteryear have been replaced by
the mysterious "men in black." A major, but little-explored,
aspect of the UFO phenomenon is therefore theological and
philosophical rather than purely scientific. The UFO problem can
never be untangled by physicists and scientists unless they are
men who also are schooled in the other disciplines.
The earth was occupied before man arrived or was created.
That's an important point to consider. The original occupants were
paraphysical and possessed the power of transmutation of matter.
Man was the interloper. The inevitable conflict arose between
physical man and the paraphysical owners of the planet. Man
accepted the interpretation that this conflict raged between his
creator and the Devil. The religious viewpoint has always been
that the Devil has been attacking man (trying to get rid of him)
by causing havoc upon him. There is historical and modern proof
that this may be so.
It is interesting that parapsychologists have long concluded
that the paralysis that contactees experience is a contributing
cause; that the entity may materialize by utilizing energy from
the percipient himself.
John Keel has in his files hundreds of cases, some of which
have now been investigated by qualified psychiatrists, in which
young men and women obsessed with the UFO phenomenon have suffered
frightening visits from apparitions, followed up by mysterious
black Cadillacs which appeared and disappeared suddenly, and have
been terrified into up their pursuit of the UFOs. The phenomenon
is again reflective in nature; the more frightened the victim
becomes, the more the manifestations are escalated. Think about
it.
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The Other Side of the Coin
There is a balance in nature, and there also seems to be a
balance in the UFO picture. People have actually died after
exposure to the gamma and UV rays from UFOs. But other people have
actually had their ailments cured by similar rays. Occult
literature is filled with accounts of this type.
Except for those who might be specially constructed for
incubus-succubus activities, it does appear that our "angels" and
"spacemen" come from a world, in many cases, with sex -- and very
probably, a world without an organized society; a world in which
each individual is merely a unit in the whole and is totally
controlled by the collective intelligence or energy mass of that
whole. In other words, these beings, or some of them anyway, have
no free will. They are slaves of a very high order. Often they try
to convey this to percipients with their statements, "We are One,"
"We are in bondage."
We face a great task in trying to isolate the UFO phenomenon
from the larger and more important "big picture," the overall
situation of which the UFOs are merely a small part.
Elemental beings are another aspect of the world we live in.
Children see them more than adults, perhaps for the reasons
described before. Historical records certainly indicate that the
little people have always existed all over this planet; that they
possess the power of flight, the power of invisibility, and, to
varying degrees, the power to dominate and control the human mind.
Accounts of little humanoids with supernatural powers can be found
in almost every culture.
The manifestations have remained the same throughout history.
Only our interpretations of those events have changed. It brought
the birth of Spiritualism, which was in its heyday in the 1850s
and 1860s, and was just another form of communication between the
ultraterrestrials and ourselves.
UFO flaps also parallel outbreaks of poltergeist cases. It
all ties in together.
Assuming that each discovered historical report represents a
larger number of unpublished or undiscovered reports, just as
today's UFO reports represent on the average 250 unreported or
unpublished sightings, we can conclude that a flap condition
existed, for example, in the years 1820, 1834, 1844, 1846, and
1849. We also find that there was an outbreak of poltergeists in
1835, 1846, and 1849.
As the 19th century progressed, reporting improved, and we
are able to make more precise correlations. A UFO flap took place
in 1850, and there was also a series of poltergeist cases. A
larger poltergeist outbreak occurred in 1867, following flaps in
1863-64. UFO activity became more intense beginning in 1870, and
there were notable flaps in 1872, 1877, and 1879. The 1880s
produced a major explosion of all kinds of phenomena, including
the sudden disappearance of people. Poltergeist cases were in
abundance in that decade, particularly in the big flap years of
1883 and 1885.
Astrophysicist Morris K. Jessup labeled the years 1877-87 the
"Incredible Decade" after scouring astronomical journals of the
period. Astronomers made some remarkable discoveries during those
years. The previously unobserved satellites of Mars popped into
view in 1877, new craters appeared on the moon, all kinds of
strange objects flitted around the upper atmosphere.
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The trance phenomenon deserves extensive study because so
many aspects of it are directly related to the contactee
phenomenon. In both, you will find the same contradictions. There
seem to be both good and evil forces at work. The good guys latch
onto people with particularly receptive minds and turn them into
trance mediums and the bad guys use the same methods to tamper
with the minds of contactees and even to commit murder indirectly.
Since incidents of these types can be traced throughout history,
it seems probably that these forces have always been here on this
planet. do the ultraterrestrials really care about us? There is
much evidence to suggest that they don't. They care only to the
extent that we can fulfill our enigmatic use to them.
There have been innumerable psychic hoaxes for the past 150
years, and many of these parallel the UFO hoaxes. In ufology we
have to contend with the teenager's hot air balloon, and in
psychic phenomenon we have to worry about youngsters firing rocks
at houses. There are, however, more UFO sightings than there are
plastic balloons, and more poltergeists dumping rocks in living
rooms than there are wild-eyed youngsters with slingshots. There
are also more ultraterrestrial entities than either the occultists
or the UFO researchers can dream of.
Giant winged beings, usually described as headless, are an
integral part of the UFO phenomenon. Winged human forms have been
seen flying over many areas of the world. John A. Keel wrote a
book called the "Mothman Prophecies" and Gray Barker a book called
"The Silver Bridge" that go into some detail. They are usually
described as having blazing red eyes set deep in their shoulders.
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On May 13, 1917, three girls in Portugal were in the meadows
of a place called Cova da Iria outside of Fatima, Portugal, when
they saw a flash of light in the clear sky. They ran for shelter
under a tree, thinking that was lightning. When they reached the
tree, they stopped in amazement, for there hovering just above a
3-foot evergreen nearby, a brilliant globe of light hung
suspended.
Within this globe there was an entity garbed in a luminous
white robe with a face of light which dazzled and hurt the eyes.
The figure stated that it was from heaven, and asked the
girls to come there on the 13th day, for six months in succession.
On October 13, 1917, an estimated 70,000 people had gathered at
the site. Suddenly the crowd screamed, for something came through
the clouds: a huge silver disk which rotated rapidly as it
descended towards the crowd. It seemed to change color, going
through the spectrum. These gyrations continued for ten minutes.
Miles from there, others were also watching the same object.
The incident at Fatima was obviously a carefully planned and
deliberately executed demonstration. The major prophecies of
Fatima had been written down and sealed in an envelope, and turned
over to the Vatican. They were supposed to be revealed to the
world in 1960. The secret of Fatima? One Pope was murdered after
only 30 days in office when the Vatican thought he would reveal
it. It is said to be a prediction of the end of the world. The
demonstration was therefore a failure as far as the
ultraterrestrials were concerned. Such demos proved highly
effective in Biblical times, but times were changing and new
methods were called for.
A similar event such as Fatima took place in Garabandal,
Germany, on July 2, 1961. Even more startling, on the entity's
right side they could see "a square of red fire framing a triangle
with an eye and some writing. The lettering was in an old
Oriental script." The Third Eye. Haven't we heard of that before?
Remember the Nation of the Third Eye -- the MIB. etc?
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ADDENDUM BY THE AUTHOR
Gravitational Propulsion
Well, I have gotten this far in explaining some things to
you. I might as well turn to my favorite subject of all --
gravitational propulsion. The best place to start is with the
efforts of a personal acquaintance of mine who had the good
fortune to meet in England -- Mr. J. R. Searl. His investigations
into gravitational propulsion have proven to be quite revealing --
he's done it, and I want to tell you about it.
In 1949, he was employed by the Midlands Board as an
electronic fitter. He was very enthusiastic about the subject of
electricity, though he had no formal education on the subject
other than was required by his job. Unhindered by conventional
ideas about electricity, he carried out his own investigation into
the subject. During work on electrical motors and generators, he
noticed that a small electromotive force (EMF) was produced by the
spinning metal parts -- the negative toward the outside and the
positive toward the rotational axis.
In 1950, he experimented with rotating slip rings and
measured a small EMF on a conventional meter. He also noticed that
when the rings were spinning freely and no electrical current was
taken, his hair bristled. His conclusions were that free electrons
in the metal were spun out by centrifugal force being produced by
the static field in the metal. He then decided to build a
generator on the same principle.
It had a segmented rotor disc, passing through electromagnets
at its periphery. The electromagnets were energized from the
rotor, and were intended to boost the EMF.
By 1952, the first generator had been constructed and was
about three feet in diameter. It was tested in the open by Searl
and a friend. The armature was set in motion by a small engine.
The device produced the expected electrical power, but at an
unexpectedly high potential. At relatively low armature speeds a
potential of the order of 10^5 volts was produced, as indicated by
static effects on nearby objects.
The really unexpected then occurred. While still speeding up,
the generator lifted and rose to a height of about 50 feet above
the ground, breaking the union between itself and the engine. Here
it stayed for a while, still speeding up and surrounding itself
with a pink glow. This indicated ionization of air at a much
reduced pressure of about 10^-3 mm Hg. More interesting was the
side effect, causing local radio receivers to go on by themselves.
Finally, the whole generator accelerated at a fantastic rate and
is thought to have gone off into space.
Since that day, Searl and others have made some ten or more
small flying craft, some of which have been similarly lost, and
have developed a form of control. Larger craft have been built --
some 12 feet and two 30 feet in diameter.
Once the machine has passed a certain threshold of potential
voltage, the energy output exceeds the input. The energy output
seems to be virtually limitless. We made some measurements when I
was there, and as far as we could see, the estimated output is
somewhere in the vicinity of 10^13 to 10^15 watts. Above what
appears to be the threshold potential, some 10^13 volts, the
generator and attached parts become inertia-free. There is also
some "matter snatch" upon acceleration away from the ground, since
it tends to take a little "turf" with it when it goes.
Analyzing what is happening is fairly easy. What the
generator is doing is placing a "stress" on the ambient space
around it. The space breaks down to provide the magnetism to
relieve the stress, but the energy by-product is absorbed by the
generator, which reinforces the field.
It should be noted at this point that only a very small
amount of space fabric passes through the craft and an even
smaller amount is converted for energy. However, I have noticed
that small changes in etheric forces lead to large physical
effects. It was aptly demonstrated and I was impressed.
Recently, Mr. Searl had (1987) a brush with authorities, when
he began simply generating his own power for his own house. Now he
doesn't have a very large house, but the Utility Board didn't like
the fact that they had lost their monopoly. Now he lives in
Birmingham under an assumed name. Simple, eh?
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This text is a channelling from a group who call themselves
"Cosmic Awareness". I do not know anything about them and am
attempting to check them out at this time. This file goes into
some detail about the (alleged) underground bases and touches
on the Dulce and Area 51 topics. I would call this a controversial
text, myself. Please read this at your OWN RISK. It has *not* been
verified or otherwise checked out, to my knowledge. I will leave
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Since this is (yet another) huge text, I will give the sizes here:
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Subject: FILE: Web of Conspiracy part 1
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at *face* value. If this interests you, please endeavor to research it
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REVELATIONS OF AWARENESS
The New Age Cosmic Newsletter
Cosmic Awareness Communications
P.O. Box 119 Olympus, Washington 83507
Helping People Become Aware
90-10 Issue No. 363
SPECIAL REPORT
"NIGHTMARE HALL" -------
"GOD" AT WORK ON LEVEL 6
THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY: (THE ALIEN PRESENCE): (PART 7)...
THE UNDERGROUND CITY AT DULCE, NEW MEXICO
COSMIC AWARENESS is the Force that expressed Itself through Jesus of
Nazareth, the Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed, Edgar Cayce and other great
avatars who served as `Channels' for the `Heavenly Father' and who
speaks again today as the world begins to enter the `New Age' of
spiritual consciousness and awareness. Since 1963 Cosmic Awareness
has been communicating through carefully trained channels. This
information is for those who desire to help in bringing in the New
Age. Throughout the thousands of `Readings' given through these
various channels, Cosmic Awareness tells us not to believe anything,
but to question, explore, doubt, and discover for yourself, through
your own channel what is the truth. Cosmic Awareness will only
`indicate' and `suggest'. Neither C.A.C. or any of the Interpreters
is responsible for anything Cosmic Awareness states in any of these
readings, nor does C.A.C. or the Interpreters necessarily agree with
the statements of Cosmic Awareness. The Interpreters interpret the
energies as they see them in trance levels and are not personally
responsible for what is said. The Interpreters published herein have
no connection with, nor control over the editorial comments and
material, including illustrations. This is entirely the
responsibility of the editor. Members of C.A.C. are invited to send
in questions of general interest to ask Awareness for possible
publication in this newsletter.
Paul Shockley, Interpreter
ABOUT THE INFORMATION ON ALIENS THAT FOLLOWS
(Excerpts from a C.A.C. General Reading)
May 12, 1990
Question:
This information on the alien presence, that has not yet been
published: Does Awareness suggest that this take priority over the
other more spiritual information, because of the possibility that
`window' could close sooner than expected, or does Awareness see this
`window' remaining open and the alien information being sent out over
a period of six months or a year and be balanced with other, less
negative, information?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness suggests that the most poignant, most precise,
most important information be released first; that the other
information may be seen as likened unto the flesh that fills out the
skeleton.
This Awareness indicates there could come a time wherein this
information would be stopped. There could be circumstances that
would prevent the release of the information and this information,
indeed, does need to be released.
There are many releasing information, but in proportion at this
time, less than 1 percent of the population has any inkling of what
is really going on, and at least 5 percent should know. This
Awareness indicates that probably one person in a thousand,--even
fewer at this time,--has ever heard of the information released even
by Cooper, or the elements involved in such information. Probably
only one in a thousand has ever heard of MJ-12...perhaps even fewer
than one in a thousand. It is likely that one in a half million, or
quarter of a million, has heard of Nightmare Hall. This Awareness
indicates, of course, this is changing, and more and more are hearing
of this.
This Awareness indicates that such information could be given to
tabloids and immediately, upon publication, these figures would
change enormously. This Awareness indicates a recent tabloid did
include information relating to Cooper and to Lazar, and much of the
population became aware, but to a very limited degree, since the
article was only approximately one-half page in length.
This Awareness indicates that the important thing is that
entities share the information with others who have some curiosity.
Not to think that they can force C.A.C. to prove this information by
bringing it to the authorities of their state or federal government
or agencies, but to search for themselves, to see if this is
accurate. If you have questions or doubts about the accuracy of this
information, go out and become a researcher for yourself.
Or, if you don't wish to do so, toss the paper into
the garbage can and forget it. There are some entities
who seem to think that if they hear something that
offends them, they should turn it over to an authority
and make the authority check out the source to see if
it's true.
This Awareness indicates that It is giving you the sources, so
that you can check them for yourself. If you do not like the
information, close your ears, cease your publication, stop your
subscription, or don't bother to read it. If you want to be aware,
if you want knowledge, if you want truth, you have to be open to
hearing even things you don't really like to hear.
This Awareness indicates that this information isn't for
everyone; it is for the courageous, it is for the strong, it is for
the daring, it is for those who dare to be aware. This Awareness
indicates that it is not the responsibility of C.A.C. to check the
validity of all of this information, it is simply passing along
information. It is giving you the sources, so that you can check the
validity.
This Awareness indicates that in checking the validity, you
don't go to the people who are unaware, and you don't check on a
whistle-blower by going to the one who's had the whistle blown
against them. Thus, if Karen Silkwood blows the whistle on some
nuclear plant, or group of people who are causing some environmental
hazards, you don't go and ask those in charge of the creation of the
hazards whether Karen Silkwood has her facts straight. You don't ask
the fox in the henhouse if it has seen a fox in the henhouse.
This Awareness indicates that unless entities understand the
nature and purpose of this communication, to give them enough
information that they may search further for themselves if they so
desire---and there have been many over the years who have desired.--
in fact, almost demanded,--information about UFO's. If the
information is given, and entities do not like the information, that
is their problem. They simply can ignore the information. You do
not have to attempt to rewrite the information. If you do not like
the story War of the Worlds, turn off your radio; don't expect to be
able to rewrite the script.
This Awareness indicates that there are many who have demanded
and requested for over a decade that this Awareness gives information
relating to the UFO phenomenon. Such information would have likely
resulted in the death of the individuals herein present had It given
information previously. It is only recently that even the higher
authorities have become aware of the activities of the aliens in
regard to some of these atrocities, to the point where they have had
enough dissension within their own ranks to debate whether to let the
public know. It is only recently that a few involved in the inner
circles of knowers,--having knowledge about UFO's,--have had the
courage to release information in spite of death threats, in spite of
knowing that others have been killed for far less.
This Awareness indicates that with this reality, with this
opportunity, this window that has suddenly opened, you who have
received the information from these entities and comments on this
from this Awareness, you are likened unto an elite, privileged few.
The chances of having such information is so remote,--less than one
in a million, or one in 50 million people at this time, know what you
know.
This Awareness suggests you do not expect too much, and that you
help in the dissemination of such information; but that you do it in
a way that is appropriate. This Awareness indicates that you not
endanger yourself, that you now endanger others in the way you
disseminate the information.
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THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY:
THE ALIEN PRESENCE (PART 7)--(THE UNDERGROUND CITY)
(PART 1)
HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM BEING MONITORED OR ABDUCTED BY ALIENS
(C.A.C. General Reading, May 11, 1990)
QUESTION:
Awareness, we're here tonight for a general C.A.C.
reading, with questions sent in by the membership.
Does Awareness have an opening message?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness suggests that entities may take precautions in
regard to protecting themselves in the following manner. (This is in
reference to those times in which an entity may feel the effect of a
monitoring device, or that which appears to be a monitoring energy
and they feel or hear in their ear, or feel around their head, which
occurs from time to time with some entities; that in many cases, not
all, but in many cases, this monitoring is done from alien
technology).
How the Aliens Select Victims for Abduction
This Awareness indicates that one may ask: How do the aliens
select people whom they are to abduct? This Awareness indicates that
they select these entities from vibrations in the brainwave pattern
that they seek for their particular interest or needs; that the
selection of a particular type may vary from time to time and
depending on what their purposes are, they may select a person at one
time which they would have overlooked at a different time.
This Awareness indicates that it is possible to avoid those
brainwave patterns that aliens would seek in their selection process
by wrapping oneself in White Light. This Awareness suggests that in
the first place, the least likely person an alien would seek would be
one whose brainwave pattern indicates a socially strong
individualistic entity. When you have a strong identification,
knowing who in fact you really are, and have a strong connection with
the spiritual essence of the highest, without much fear and without
being easily swayed or easily influenced, you are less likely to
become a candidate for abduction.
The more vulnerable and easily influenced you are, the more
gullible you are, the more naive you are and the more distraught your
thinking may be, the more you will tend to fit into the types of
candidates that are usually abducted. This Awareness indicates that
having a strong will also is a negative for aliens in regard to
abduction. Also, aliens do not, if they are involved in wishing to
use glandular substances or eat the entity, they do not like the
effects of chocolate, coffee, cigarettes, or sugar or other types of
addictive type foods and drugs in the system. They prefer, this
especially in regard to the reptilials; they prefer the more pure
essences without toxins. That this might be argued as a plus for
these vices.
This Awareness indicates on the other hand, the use of drugs and
alcohol can be the very thing that would distort a person's thinking
to make them more likely to be a candidate for abduction, for other
purposes. The best protection one can have for oneself during the
time of monitoring, because the monitoring process is designed to
read these brain vibrations; the best protection is to wrap yourself
in White Light, visualize the highest frequencies of Divinity coming
down over you from the Divine Being Itself.
Thus, you can call on the High Self, call on the Christ, call on
God, call on anything that you see as being the Highest and Best. If
you are in to Buddhism, call on Buddha. If you are in to any of the
other religions, call on the highest divinity that you can call on,
and see this entity covering you with a shower of Light, wrapping you
with Divine Light energy while this monitoring is in process. It
will sufficiently block the readings of the aliens if indeed they are
the forces monitoring you.
This Awareness indicates that this is a psychological defense
that you may use in regard to the psychoelectronic monitoring that
aliens frequently do in their hunting process. This Awareness
indicates the term generally used is the `harvesting' process. They
see this action as a kind of harvesting.
(Follow-up Question): Vikki
When I sensed that sound in my head, I automatically, almost
like a reflex, repeated the Law of Love. Does this afford
protection, or should I change?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This can be beneficial. It can help to say the Law of Love. It
is better to visualize the Light energy coming down over you. If you
can incorporate the two without losing the visionary image of the
White Light coming down so that you're saying the Law of Love at the
same time, you are clearly visualizing this love being showered over
you, it can be even more effective.
AN ACCOUNT OF SEEING UFO'S AND HEARING `CRICKED' SOUNDS
QUESTION:
a sort of personal question from J.R., which is along this line.
She writes: "The night I saw two saucer-shaped crafts, just outside
my bathroom window in West Virginia: Whose craft were they and what
were they doing in my yard? Also, was it in response to the energy
of my astonishment that they immediately took off? Also, were they
related to other craft seen in the area, the one written up in a
local paper, the ones Dr. Jenkins said visited his family regularly;
and currently: why am I hearing the sound of crickets whenever it is
quiet enough to hear it? Is this an effect of meditation, stress,
UFO's or physiological malfunction?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that It suggests that you be most
attentive and cautious; that these entities were not Pleiadians; that
the Pleiadians essentially have abandoned this planet temporarily and
may not be able to return. There are some entities from Sirius who
are benevolent beings. These were not the entities from Sirius
either. There are some humans in saucers from the technology that
has been acquired from the alliance with the Greys; that the Greys in
some cases are not as vicious or hostile as others. In regard to the
entities whom you saw, it appears that these were humans of your
government testing craft in the general area without a desire to be
noticed; that they did not recognize your presence when first landing
in the area.
How the `Good' UFO Will Contact You
This Awareness indicates that it is very important however, to avoid
any contact with those of UFO's unless you are absolutely sure that
these are Pleiadians or from Sirius, and these entities will often
give you ways by which you can be absolutely sure. This Awareness
indicates they will make themselves gradually known over a period of
time before contacting anyone in a close encounter.
This Awareness indicates that they tend to set up appointments
telepathically, letting you know that they will be there at a certain
time, where to look, where to expect them. Anything other than this
kind of appointment should be considered suspect of the more
malevolent type aliens; that the aliens will be tending, and have
tended to become more bold in their abductions and this may increase
as they are increasing in number. This Awareness indicates the
increase of approximately 20,000 per month in recent months has been
a kind of average influx during the three days of the full moon.
Look for Holes or Marks on Your Body
This Awareness indicates that these entities generally going to
the bases which then allow them to traverse underground to other
places in other areas through these underground tunnels. Anyone who
has seen a UFO should also double-check their memory, trying to
recall if there were any marks on their body or energy weaknesses
shortly thereafter, for in many cases, an entity will see a UFO, be
abducted for a certain length of time, usually on the average of two
hours, anywhere from twenty minutes to two hours, then released, and
the entity will not remember having been abducted, but will simply
remember having seen the UFOs or whatever took place prior to the
abduction.
This Awareness indicates that if, in examining oneself one finds
holes, such as in the back of the ear, or chin, or a pain in the
nose, or in the back of the head, or somewhere else on the body or in
the naval area or the genitalia area, there is good reason to suspect
that an abduction and experimentation or implanting has taken place.
This Awareness indicates that generally, the memory is gone, but the
subconscious effects and feeling of violation will endure and cause
severe problems thereafter.
Most entities having been abducted benefit only from therapy
that is similar to that of rape cases. The action being very much
like that of rape, in which an entity has been violated against his
or her will, and the feeling of having been violated can create
severe hostility and make one feel one is violated and a victim,
affecting many of the entity's relationships and activities
thereafter. It is important for entities to get help when such an
event is realized.
This Awareness suggests however, that it is equally important
that entities not fake an abduction just for attention, because such
action can cause you other kinds of problems that you may not really
desire. It may be that, for example, you find yourself at some
future time being looked at as an abductee when in fact you aren't,
and in some ways, you may feel you have classified yourself into a
certain category that you no longer want to wear as a label. This
Awareness indicates that it is not something that entities should
fake for attention or as a means of self-importance; that generally
speaking, entities could not fake the action anyway and will be
embarrassed and found out when in deeper therapy.
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:
Is there any significance to the cricket sound she's been
hearing?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is not seen clearly. This
Awareness suggests the entity may wish to pursue further
investigation in this regard to determine whether this might be the
result of an implant which the entity does not recall receiving. It
also could be the result of the close proximity of the craft and
vibration and radiation given off from the craft which may be
affecting her. The energy is not seen as to why this is occurring, if
it still is occurring for the entity.
This Awareness indicates the entity may wish to read THE GULF
BREEZE SIGHTINGS in which this writer tells about an attempt by the
aliens to abduct him, wherein thereafter he always heard a sound,
vibration in his head, or a hum, when the craft came anywhere near,
even though others could not hear that humming sound. This Awareness
indicates that approximately one in thirty-five or one in forty
entities have been abducted or have in some way received implants;
that not all implants have been effected in the craft.
How the Aliens Enter a Bedroom to Implant
(Who are the Candidates for Implants?)
These aliens have the ability, in wearing certain types of packs
on their backs, to move through walls or through rooftops, to come
right into one's home, even into one's bedroom, while an entity
sleeps, and to give an implant. This is very rare that this occurs
however, and in most cases, the implants have been given to entities
who have worked in and around government operated bases or alien
operated bases, or people who work in government occupations, in
order that the aliens have some control over these entities. That
these are the more likely candidates for implants. It is not seen as
a likelihood that persons operating in more socially oriented
occupations, even if in government, such as the post office, or the
revenue department, or commerce department, that these would be
special candidates for implants, but more toward the types who would
work in military occupations, secret bases, or projects, or entities
working in corporations that have close contact with this type of
operation, or the families of such entities, the close-working
families, and also people who live near or around those places where
UFO government operations may be visible to the population.
Thus, for example, the city or town of Dulce, New Mexico, as
being one in which many of the local people have been implanted and
abducted.
THAT DEVICE THE ALIENS PACK--HOW EXACTLY DOES IT WORK?
(THAT FORCE THAT RESIDES IN SPACE)
(FOLLOW UP QUESTION):
That device the aliens pack with them that enables them to get
into a home: does this device enable them to raise their own
vibrational rate so they can enter matter, or does it raise the
vibration of the matter and allow them to enter, or just how does it
work?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates it creates a field around the entity
which makes the matter lose its density. It is as though matter is
created by atoms in molecular structure, held together by a spatial
force. If you were to look at matter with a high enough microscope
you would see there is more space than substance, yet there is a
force surrounding these particles that tends to bind them together,
holding them in place so that even though they are scattered apart
with great space between them, this would be equivalent, for example,
to a small ball on a football field, the substance of equating to the
space, and the actual substance of the atom being the size of a
football; that is the way atoms would appear if viewed with a
powerful enough microscope, and the question may be: `How can these
things be held together?'
It is that force that resides in the space and not the matter
that holds things together, and the aliens' pack is able to overcome
that force, is able to defuse that force, so that the atoms of the
body and the atoms of the wall actually pass through each other, just
as if there were no force between the spaces. It is likened unto
sand going through a screen. If the sand is small enough and the
screen's holes are large enough, the sand can pass through, but if
that sand is made into a ball held together by blue, and it is
placed on a screen, it can't pass through, especially if the glue has
been spread on the screen. The glue is the force that resides
between the particles that make up the atom.
This Awareness indicates the aliens have the technology to leave
the particles intact, but to diminish the glue that holds the objects
as solid, and this is done through the use of vibration, the raising
of certain vibrations just high enough to overcome that frequency of
the force, the glue force.
THE TRILATERAL INSIGNIA: AN ALIEN FLAG
QUESTION:
A question by M.G. in New York: "The alien flag Trilateral
insignia referred to by Cooper, is this the start of the Trilateral
group of humans and aliens?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that the Trilateral humans took their
name from the Trilateral Insignia of the aliens. The symbols are
different.
THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY: (PART 2)
ALL ABOUT THAT ALIEN UNDERGROUND BASE AT DULCE, NEW MEXICO
QUESTION:
There's some questions that arise from a book called: ALIEN
MAGIC, by William F. Hamilton III, and there's a part of this book
called: THE DULCE BASE, by Jason Bishop the third, and I'd like to
read some of this, if it's alright, and ask Awareness to confirm or
deny this information, and when appropriate, to expand on it.*
*ALIEN MAGIC, by William F. Hamilton III,
published by UFORCES, 249 N. Brand Blvd.,
Suite 651, Glendale, Calif. 91203
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this in the affirmative, that It may
from time to time raise the hand of the Interpreter to signal a pause
for comment.
QUESTIONER: (Begins reading):
"The following material comes from people who know the
underground base at Dulce, New Mexico, exists. They are people who
worked in the labs, abductees taken to the base; people who assisted
in the construction; Intelligence personnel (CIA, NSA, etc.) and UFO
and Inner-Earth researchers. This information is meant for those who
are seriously interested in the Dulce Base. For your own protection,
be advised to `USE CAUTION' while investigating this complex."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness suggests not only that entities, particularly in
your organization, use caution, but that they NOT investigate this
complex; that it is too well guarded; that only those who have
clearance will be allowed in, and for entities not to think that they
can simply run down there and explore the area. This Awareness
mentions this because there are all types of people in your
membership and some tend to be quite naive, and often want to express
an unusual sense of adventure based on that naivete.
This Awareness indicates that entities so inclined might not
return, and might end up being part of the experimentation conducted
at the base.
READING CONTINUES:
"This facility is a `GENETICS LAB' and is connected to Los
Alamos, via a Tube-Shuttle (underground). Part of their research is
related to the Genetic Effects of Radiation (Mutations and Human
Genetics). Research there also includes other `Intelligent Species'
(Alien biological Life Forms `Entities').
In the revised Sept. 1950 edition of THE EFFECTS OF ATOMIC
WEAPONS, prepared for and in cooperation with the U.S. Dept. of
Defense and the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission, under the direction of
the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, we read about how "complete
underground placement of bases is desirable." On page 381: "There
are apparently no fundamental difficulties in construction and
operating underground various types of important facilities. Such
facilities must be placed in a suitable existing mine or a site may
be excavated for the purpose."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this as accurate; that this kind of
underground networking has gone on, not only during this previous
century from the time of World War II as mentioned, but that there
are and have been other underground caverns created by the aliens
many hundreds and thousands of years prior to this time, and these
have been used along with the present excavations and mining
activities of government and alien technologies. This Awareness
reminds you of readings given some ten years ago regarding the
subterranean caverns; that many of these were man-made caverns, and
some were natural, but had been modified by machines of the more
advanced technologies of the subterranean aliens.*
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: FILE: Web of Conspiracy part 2
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Date: 8 Aug 91 06:04:10 GMT
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*`Revelations of Awareness' No. 79-25:
(The Secret of the UFOs).
This Awareness indicates the Deros described during that time
are remnants of a humanoid species that were left underground for
many generations. They have continued in their underground
civilization which, through a network of caverns and tunnels extends
throughout the United States, South America and in through Europe and
other regions. These tunnels have been known by the Illuminati,
which was formed in 1776 on May 1st, by Adam Weishaupt, which is the
reason for the May 1st celebration in many countries; that this
Illuminati as the foundation for many of the occult and conspiracy
type organizations that have followed. It was based on the alien
contact by these entities.
This Awareness indicates, of course, there were still earlier
contacts with aliens on this planet, these contacts researching back
into prehistory. This Awareness suggests the questions continue.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Centuries ago, Surface People (some say the Illuminati) entered
into a pact with an "Alien Nation" (hidden within the Earth). The
U.S. government, in 1933, agreed to trade animals and humans in
exchange for High Tech knowledge, and to allow them to use
(undisturbed) underground bases, in the Western USA. A Special Group
was formed to deal with the Alien Beings. In the 1940's `Alien Life
Forms' (ALF) began shifting their focus of operations, from Central
and South America, to the USA. The Continental Divide is vital to
these `Entities'. Part of this has to do with Magnetics (Substrata
Rock) and high Energy States (Plasma)."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This is in the affirmative. This Awareness indicates that this
shift into this area was partly due to the use of the atomic bomb in
its infancy; the first atomic bomb being exploded in Alamogordo.
That this drew great attention from the aliens and in realizing that
these aliens use underground caverns, one can understand why they
became quite concerned with atomic bombs blowing holes in the earth,
and would like to have some input on the government using such
weapons.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Whose Planet is This? These Aliens consider themselves `Native
Terrans'". They are an ancient race (descendant from a Reptilian
Humanoid Species which cross-bred with Sapient Humans).
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is in reference, not to all
types of Greys, but to some of the Greys; the Greys from Orion in
particular; that there are also other variations which do not have
much of the reptilian genetics in them, but have some insect base.
This Awareness indicates that the Greys who were present after World
War II, who were present in this pact with the U.S. government, and
the Greys who were present...This Awareness indicates there were
Greys present on this planet in contact with humans in the late
Twenties and early Thirties, but there were also other tall Greys
that came to this planet in the period of approximately 1947-48;
these being from Orion.
The Zeta Reticuli Greys, coming in contact more in the Sixties;
that the earlier Greys as having already been in the area, and the
pact which led to the underground cavern bases was with these and
also with the tall Orion Greys. Later, the Zeta Reticuli were
brought in to certain agreements and allowed to have bases and there
were further arrangements with them. They are all interrelated in
some ways as different species, in a similar manner that on earth
different races might still work together, though be somewhat
segregated and somewhat different from each other.
(READING CONTINUES):
"They are untrustworthy manipulator/mercenary agents for another
extraterrestrial culture (the Draco), who are returning to earth
(their ancient `outpost') to use it as a staging area.
But, these alien cultures are in conflict over whose agenda will
be followed for this planet. All the while mental control is being
used to keep humans `in place,' especially since the Forties."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is in the affirmative; that there
is the conflict and agreement between the Grey Reticuli and the
Reptilians; that of the Grey Reticuli, the orange group as being the
more hostile to the Reptilians; that it is also the more hostile
group in regard to Grey/human relationships. This Awareness
indicates, however, that it does offer a potential for shifting of
alliances between the Greys and the humans, since the orange Grey
group is quite hostile to the Reptilians, it offers the humans an
important opportunity to align themselves with the Greys and a
potential for the alliance to be used in case of a conflict with the
Reptilians.
This Awareness indicates that it would appear that there is the
potential of a situation occurring on this planet in which if the
Reptilians arrive, the human race would not survive for any
meaningful length of time in any quality of life. It would, it
appears, deteriorate in such a manner that the human race would
simply become useful as food for the Reptilians; this in the event
sufficient numbers of Reptilians came and were able to control the
masses of humans, and through their present allies, the Greys, it
would appear this would be possible. Without the alliance between
the Greys and the humans, it would appear that the Reptilians would
have very little obstruction to their total dominion of the planet.
This Awareness indicates there is still the element of the
Pleiadians and the entities from Sirius, as a potential, but that
this is not at present seen as being a great potential, since
especially the Pleiadians are in deep trouble at home.
(READING CONTINUES):
"The DULCE Complex is joint U.S. Government/Alien base. It was
NOT the first built with the aliens. (Others are in Colorado,
Nevada, Arizona, etc.)"
Is that correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This is in the affirmative.
(READING CONTINUES):
"The Secret Activity". Paul Benewitz reports, about his study
into the Dulce area: "Troops went in and out of there every summer,
starting in 1947. The natives do recall that. They also built a
road--right in front of the people of Dulce, and trucks went in and
out for a long period. That road was later blocked and destroyed.
The signs on the trucks were "Smith Corporation" out of Pagosa
Springs, Colorado. No such corporation exists now...no records
exist...I believe the Base, at least the first one, was being built
then undercover of a lumbering project. The problem: they never
hauled logs. Only BIG equipment."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is in the affirmative; that there
also was built an underground tunnel from the area of Alamogordo to
the base.
(READING CONTINUES):
"R & R and the Military Industrial Complex. The Rand
Corporation became involved and did a study for the Base. Most of
the lakes near Dulce were made `for' the Indians, via government
grants. Navajo Dam is the main source for conventional electric
power, with a second source in El Vado (also an entrance).
Note: If Rand Corp. is the mother of `Think Tanks', then the
Ford Foundation must be considered the father. Rand secrecy is not
confirmed to `reports,' but on occasion extends to conferences and
meetings. On page number 645 of the PROJECT RAND: Proceedings of the
Deep Underground Construction Symposium (March, 1959) we read:
"Just as airplanes, ships and automobiles have given man mastery
of the surface of the Earth, tunnel-Boring Machines...will give him
access to the subterranean World."
Note: The Sept. 1983 issue of Omni magazine (Page 80) has a
color drawing of "The SUBTERRENE", the Los Alamos nuclear-powered
tunnel machine that burrows through the rock, deep underground, by
heating whatever stone it encounters into molten rock (magma), which
cools after the Subterrene has moved on. The result is a tunnel with
a smooth, glazed lining."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this, using atomic energy in the
process of heating these rocks, not only melts the rocks to allow for
the tunneling to take place, but it reduces the magma of these melted
rocks in terms of size so that there is very little or no residue
which needs to be carried out of the tunnel, so that the hole itself
is simply plastered up against the sides of the tunnel in a kind of
melted shell.
(FOLLOW UP QUESTION):
That would account for the absence of great piles of dirt and
rocks in that area, wouldn't it?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This is in the affirmative.
(CONTINUING WITH THE STATEMENT):
"These underground tubes are used by electromagnetically powered
"Subshuttle Vehicles," which can travel at great speeds. They
connect the `Hidden Empire' Sub-City complexes. Also, the top-secret
project code-named "Noah's Ark," uses `Tube Shuttles' in connection
with a system of over 100 `Bunkers' and `Bolt Holes' which have been
established at various places on Earth. With other bases inside the
Moon and Mars. Many of these underground cities are complete with
streets, sidewalks, lakes, small electric cars, apartments, offices
and shopping malls."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is in the affirmative. This
Awareness reminds you that there have been numerous movies that have
covered many of the things that are now being exposed as realities.
You will recall the movie in which the entity had his ear down to the
sidewalk, hearing tunnels or hearing a machine underground, boring
the earth, boring a tunnel, and everyone thought the entity was
insane. This Awareness indicates that there have been numerous
efforts by some entities to leak information, in some ways to alert
the public of these various things.
This Awareness indicates that most of the information went into
movies that were seen as fantasy, and entities were entertained
rather than informed, but now that entities are becoming informed and
looking back on the entertainment that has been given during the past
several decades, these movies will begin to take on a new meaning.
This Awareness indicates JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH, as well
as many of the movies regarding duplicates and clones now have new
meaning. Also, that in looking back on the earlier Awareness
readings in which It spoke of synthetics and robotoids, entities will
see that these too take on a new meaning. This Awareness suggests
the questions continue.
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"I had one question about the shopping malls. Are these
designed for humans that are working underground there, or are these
used by aliens?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this as mostly for humans, but
that there also are some shopping places for aliens too; that some
instances of human/alien intermingling is present underground, but in
most cases, in the higher levels, it is more a human-type of society,
although in some cases, the more benevolent aliens will also be found
in certain areas, intermingling with humans, even in those levels.
That in the deeper levels, the aliens have greater domination.
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"This tunnel machine mentioned that uses atomic energy and
burrows, melting the rock; was this technology given to the United
States by the aliens, or did the United States develop that itself?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that it is an alien machine. This has
been used down through centuries. It has been modified, but the
concept and the initial construction as that which is alien. The
more recent development as being a joint construction for and by
humans and aliens in cooperation. There are more than one such
machine. This Awareness indicates that these machines however, use
technology that were of alien origin, along with other aspects that
can be understood by human engineers.
(READING CONTINUES):
"There were over 650 attendees to the 1959 RAND Symposium. Most
were representatives of the Corporate-Industrial State, like: The
General Electric Company; AT & T; Hughes Aircraft; Northrop Corp.;
Sandia Corp.; Stanford Research Institute; Walsh Construction
Company; The Bechtel Corporation; Colorado School of Mines; etc.
Bechtel (pronounced Beck-tull) in a supersecret international
corporate octopus, founded in 1898. Some say the firm is really a
"SHADOW GOVERNMENT"--a working arm of the CIA. It is the largest
construction and engineering outfit in the USA and the world, (and
some say, beyond).
The most important posts in the U.S. government are held by
former Bechtel officers. They are part of "THE WEB" (an
interconnected control system) which links the Tri-Lateralist plans,
the CFR, the Orders of `Illuminism' (Cult of the All-Seeing Eye) and
other interlocking groups."
Is that information correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is in the affirmative; that
you will recall, especially during the Reagan administration, the
scandals associated with many of his cronies, and the connections
with Bechtel; that in reviewing these, you will find the above
information being pertinent.
(READING CONTINUES):
"The Dulce Facility consists of a central `Hub,' the Security
Section, (also some photo labs). The deeper you go, the stronger the
Security. This is a multi-leveled Complex. There are over 3000
cameras at various high-security locations (Exits and Labs). There
are over 100 Secret Exits near and around Dulce. Many around
Archuleta Mesa, others to the south around Dulce Lake and even as far
east as Lindrith."
Is that correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This is in the affirmative. This Awareness indicates that there
are caves used by aliens throughout the United States, Canada and
South America, as well as in Europe. Many of these are small bases
inside mountains that are in more remote areas; that there are
underground tunnels connecting many of these. In some cases, the
openings are used for the spacecraft for entrance and exits in
isolated bases, but in most cases, the bases are connected by
underground tunnels. These extend also into Washington, Oregon,
Canada, the Aleutian Islands, into Russia, and into most other
countries, especially in the Northern hemisphere of Europe; a;so in
Australia and New Zealand. There are older bases in South America, in
Brazil, in Central America, and in the areas of Chile, Venezuela, and
Peru.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Deep sections of the Complex connect into natural cavern
systems. A person who worked at the Base, who had an `ULTRA 7`
clearance, reports: "There may be more than seven Levels, but I only
know of seven. Most of the aliens are on levels 5, 6, and 7."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates there ten levels; that the three lower
levels have to do with the construction of technological instruments
and craft.
(READING CONTINUES):
"...Alien housing is lever 5." Is this correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This as in the affirmative; this as the level where the aliens
live and interact together in their time when they are not involved
in their activities of industry.
(READING CONTINUES):
"We are leaving the era of expendable resources, like oil-based
products. The power of the future is re-newable resources...
"Biologically Engineered." The Dulce Genetic Research was originally
funded under the cloak of "Black Budget" Secrecy. (Billions of
dollars.)
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This is where the drugs and drug money has been flowing to.
This Awareness indicates that this as also having received much
funding from the NSA hidden agenda and purposes; that much of the
enormous tax assessment on the nation and the great debt that has
accumulated over the years is due to this funding.
(READING CONTINUES):
"They were interested in intelligent "Disposable Biology"
(Humanoids), to do the dangerous atomic (Plutonium) rocket and saucer
experiments.
"We cloned "our" own little Humanoids, via a process perfected
in the Bio-Genetic Research Center of the World, Los Alamos!
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this relates to the synthetics and in
Russia, to the robotoids; that the reading continue.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Now, we have our own `disposable' slave-race. Like the alien
`Greys' (EBES), the U.S. government clandestinely impregnated
females, then removed the hybrid fetus, (after about 3 months) and
then accelerated their growth in the Lab. Biogenetic (DNA
Manipulation) programming is instilled; they are `implanted' and
controlled at a distance through regular RF (Radio Frequency)
transmissions. These act as telepathic "Channels" and telemetric
brain (Advanced Research Project Agency). Two of the procedures were
R.H.I.C. (Radio-Hypnotic Intracerebral Memory). The brain
transceiver is inserted into the head through the nose. These
devices are used in the Soviet Union and the United States, as well
as in Sweden. The Swedish Prime Minister Palme gave the National
Swedish Police Board the right, in 1973, to insert brain transmitters
into the heads of human beings covertly.
They also developed ELF and E.M. wave propagation equipment
(RAYS), which can affect the nerves and can cause nausea, fatigue,
irritability, even death. This is essentially the same as Richard
Shaver's Cavern "Telaug" Mech. This research into biodynamic
relationships within organisms ("Biological Plasma") has produced a
RAY that can change the "genetic structure" and "HEAL" also."
Is that information correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
How Dr. Beter Got His Information
This Awareness indicates that this is correct; that the
instruments which Dr. Beter once spoke of in his Audio Letters as
being able to locate and determine what anyone on earth was doing at
any time, is an instrument that was just spoken of, that was made
available through his contacts with scientists in Nevada; that they
were using these instruments in order to supply him with information
for his Audio Letters. You will recall that often he spoke of
entities who would allegedly be at some place, but by his sources
would be found to be elsewhere, such as Jim Jones actually being
flown to Israel and being thrown out of a plane near the Turkish
boarder, and other instances of a similar nature, wherein entities
were believed by press releases and so forth to be in a certain
place, and Dr. Beter would indicate that they were truly elsewhere.
This Awareness indicates that this also allowed them to
distinguish between the real entity and a duplicate, a double who was
replacing that entity, because the vibration of that double would be
slightly altered and different. This Awareness indicates that Dr.
Beter also was able to distinguish the difference between a robotoid,
synthetic and human, because the human had a soul at the time; that
in his later reports and in further technology, the robotoids were
even being given a soul.
This Awareness indicates that this occurred through further
alien technology in which the soul of an entity can be severed from
the body and implanted into another's body. It is a technology that
allows for the Walk-In. It also allows for the soul to be put into a
duplicate body, a robotoid for example, so that the soul can continue
to exist after the first body has been eliminated, and in this kind
of action it is almost the same as if the entity had received a new
body. That in this sense, and for the purposes of changing the
entity from one body to another, the reason for such might be, for
example, to alter the memory or alter the philosophy of an entity in
moving it from one body to another, by erasing certain aspects of
memory.
This Awareness indicates you will recall that the memory is
stored in the etheric, between the mental and etheric bodies, and
that it can be altered in the human. It can also be erased, and by
taking the soul and these bodies from one physical body and putting
them into another replica of the physical body, they can actually
bring about a changed person with a different philosophy or different
values, and yet the entity would essentially be the same personality.
This Awareness indicates that perhaps this can answer many questions
that entities have had, in regard to past notable figures that have
been indicated by Dr. Beter as having been replaced by duplicate
bodies. This Awareness suggests the reading continue.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Warning: Manipulation and Control, Fear and Favor...The
Pentagon, the CIA, NSA, FBI,DEA, NSC, etc. seek to capitalize on the
beliefs of the American public. The Secret Government is getting
ready to `stage' a contact-landing with Aliens in the near future.
This way they can `Control' the release of Alien related propaganda.
We will be told of an inter-stellar conflict. But...what looks real,
may be FAKE. What is disinformation? Is your attention being
diverted by the strategy of a `Shadow Plan'?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this refers to the scenario
described in Stan Deyo's book, THE COSMIC CONSPIRACY, as that which
would be a staged version, using the beliefs of the American people
in regard to the BOOK OF REVELATION, wherein entities would be
expecting the return of Christ after some kind of event or situation
that might lead to a kind of Armageddon. This Awareness indicates
that the only thing about this is that there is, in fact the threat
of the Reptilian invasion; these entities coming in a planetoid which
does not travel at above-light speed; this because of such great
number of entities, in needing a planetoid for the transference of
the population.
This Awareness indicates that if the so-called invasion occurs
before 1996, and especially if it occurs around 1993, entities can
probably be correct in assuming it is staged. It may be staged to
set up the atmosphere for a One World Government. If it is held off
until approximately 1996 or `97 or thereafter, then entities can
presume it is probably for real, as by that time the Reptilians
would have made their approach, would be close enough to pose a real
threat.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Berkeley, Los Alamos Labs Chosen to Explore Makeup of Human
Genome. (Overt and Covert Research). As U.S. Energy Secretary, John
Harrington, named the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory and New Mexico's
Los Alamos National Laboratory to house new advanced genetic research
centers as part of a project to decipher the human genome. The
genome holds the genetically coded instructions that guide the
transformation of a single cell--a fertilized egg--into a Biological
Being. "The Human Genome Project may well have the greatest direct
impact on a humanity of any scientific initiative before us today,"
said David Shirley, Director of the Berkeley Laboratory."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is the exploration of the
genes and all of the codes that go into creating the various
lifeforms based on the patterns involved in the code of the molecular
structures that make up the genes. This Awareness indicates that
there has been some research; that approximately 15% of this genetic
coding has been researched by your universities, and the
research being classified in such a way as to allow them to splice,
remove, delete, add to that genetic code in order to create changes
in the code, that it can be used for destroying or creating diseases,
destroying or creating lifeforms, destroying or creating plants,
animals or whatever that may be tampered with genetically.
This Awareness indicates that it can also be used to modify any
of these things; thus, it has the potential for altering all forms of
life, for good or ill, and for creating all types of life in
different forms. This Awareness indicates that the effort is to may
out and decode all of the DNA, and in so doing, have complete control
over the lifeforms and the creation, modification or destruction for
these forms. It is through this information that many of the
creatures described on Level 6 in Nightmare Hall, such as the many-
legged human, were created genetically.
Atlantean Genetics: The Creation of the "Things"
This awareness indicates that you will recall the Edgar Cayce
readings, in the readings on Atlantis, in which he described the
"Things" which the Atlanteans created. These were grossly distorted
creatures; that the `Things" that were created became a part of
society. These were also entities who were the product of alien
technology in the time of Atlantis. This Awareness indicates that
these creations were also grotesque and of those things which are
common to humans today;--the cat and the pig were direct creations of
Atlantean genetics.
This Awareness indicates that the pig having some human genes
intermixed with earlier wild boar. The cat, being created from genes
that had belonged to the Greys. You will notice the cat-like eyes of
the Greys; these were incorporated into the genes used for creating
the cat. This also is a reason why there were cat societies,
societies that worshipped the cat, thinking they were a kind of
reflection of the gods of the time, many entities seeing these Grey
aliens as gods.
This Awareness suggests the reading continue.
WHY PORK IS CONSIDERED "UNCLEAN MEAT" BY THE JEWS
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"I was wondering if these human genes in the pig could possibly
be connected to the ancient Jewish philosophy that pork is unclean
meat and should not be eaten?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this as in the affirmative; that
there is also the concern about the cloven hoof; that entities were
permitted to eat food of a certain type, but not from those animals
having a cloven hoof. The cloven hoof also has been associated with
the devil. This Awareness reminds you also that the Grey aliens have
two toes. This Awareness indicates that the entities cloning the
Hebrews were of a type that were what you might call enemies of the
Greys, and did not want their clones fraternizing with or being
associated with the Greys or anything that had connection with them,
also did not want them eating food that had human genes in it, such
as the pig.
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: FILE: Web of Conspiracy part 3
Message-ID: <1991Aug8.060545.24803@bilver.uucp>
Date: 8 Aug 91 06:05:45 GMT
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THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY: (PART 3)..."NIGHTMARE HALL"
(READING CONTINUES):
This overlaps some information just given by Awareness.
"Covertly, this research has been going on for years at Dulce
Labs. Level No. 6 is privately called "Nightmare Hall," it holds the
Genetic Labs. Reports from workers who have seen bizarre
experimentation are as follows:
"I have seen multi-legged `humans' that look like half
human/half-octopus. Also Reptilian-humans, and furry creatures that
have hands like humans and cries like a baby; it mimics human
words...also huge mixtures of Lizard-humans in cages." There are
fish, seals, birds and mice that can barely be considered those
species. There are several cages (and vats) of Winged-humanoids,
grotesque bat-like creatures, but 3-1/2 to 7 feet tall. Gargoyle-
like beings and Draco-Reptoids."
Is that information true?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this scratches the surface. There are
far more grotesque creatures than were described.
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
Isn't that the very thing that brought down Atlantis?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This as in the affirmative.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Level 7 is worse: row after row of thousands of humans and
human-mixtures in cold storage. Here too are embryo storage vats of
Humanoids, in various stages of development.
"I frequently encountered humans in cages, usually dazed or
drugged, but sometimes they cried and begged for help. We were told
they were hopelessly insane, and involved in high risk tests to cure
insanity.
"We were told to never try to speak to them at all. At the
beginning we believed that story. Finally, in 1978, a small group of
workers discovered the truth. It began the `Dulce Wars,' (and a
secret resistance Unit was formed)."
Note: There are over 18,000 `Aliens' at the Dulce Base.
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates there are closer to 200,000 aliens at
this time; that approximately 100,000 in the Dulce base, and 100,000
more that have moved through the base to other bases; these
continuing to enter at a rate of about 20,000 per month. This
Awareness indicates the base at Ada, Oklahoma, as still being active;
this being approached from underground; that the recent floods in
that area as having been in part deliberately allowed to help slow
and hinder activities at the base.
This Awareness indicates that the government as being divided;
that one faction wishes to stop the aliens from further growth and
the other faction wishing to work with the aliens, collaborating with
them. The aliens wishing to move their entire population from their
dying planet to this one as quickly as possible, even prior to the
arrival of the Draco Reptilians. (This Awareness suggests the
reading continue).
(READING CONTINUES):
"In late 1979, there was a confrontation (over weapons), a lot of
scientists and military personnel were killed. The base was closed
for a while...but, it is currently active.
Note: Human and animal abductions (for their blood and other
parts) slowed in the mid-1980s, when the Livermore Berkeley labs
began production of artificial blood for Dulce.
William Cooper states: "A clash occurred wherein 66 of our
people, from the National Recon Group, the DELTA group, which is
responsible for security of all alien-connected projects, were
killed.
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this occurred in more places than
the Dulce base; that in many other areas there were raids by humans
into these alien bases, and skirmishes and activities in which many
of these aliens were killed, or their bases shut down. This
Awareness indicates that even here in your own state of Washington,
and also in Oregon, this type of thing occurred; that it was in
connection with a group working through the CIA, and that this did
begin to have some effect.
This Awareness indicates, however, that there was also a split
in the intelligence bureaus, it appears came from MJ 12, in which
there was one faction that wanted this conflict to stop immediately,
and collaboration to continue; and because of this in-fighting within
the agency, many of those agents who were working to hinder the
aliens, resulted in their being covertly eliminated, especially those
who had special skills in this area of raiding these caves.
(READING CONTINUES):
"The DELTA Group (Within the Intelligence Support Activity) have
been seen with badges which have a black triangle on a red
background. (DELTA is the fourth letter of the Greek alphabet)."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is in the affirmative; that these
entities are often witnessed as the group using black helicopters;
that the movie versions of the Delta Force, as that which was based
on rumors that such a force existed; these being particularly related
to UFO and alien concerns and not to raid into other countries as a
kind of SWAT team organization; this not being their purpose, as
depicted in movies.
(READING CONTINUES):
"It has the form of a triangle, and figures prominently in
certain Masonic signs. Each base has its own symbol. The Dulce base
symbol is a triangle with the Greek letter (Tau) `T' within it, and
then the symbol is inverted, so the triangle points down. The
insignia of `a triangle and 3 lateral lines' has been seen on
`Saucer (transport) Craft,'--the Tri-lateral symbol. Other symbols
mark landing sites and Alien craft.
And they draw some of the symbols here that look like Indian
teepees and so forth. Is this information correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is the affirmative; that these
symbols appear to be correct in regard to the connection described.
This Awareness indicates that the Greek symbols relate back to
symbols from Akkadia, and even back to symbols of Sumeria, and these
were given as symbols of Sumeria, and these were given as symbols
from the aliens of that time; thus the symbols are a kind of link
between alien and modern human language, neither quite alien, nor
neither quite English, but of a language that many who have been
educated in your modern schools can easily find and adjust to in
using the Greek symbols.
The aliens also then have the capacity of adjusting their
language or symbolic writings into Greek, which is not too difficult
for them, and the humans to use as a mediating written language, in
terms of symbols.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Inside the Dulce Base, Security officers wear jump-suits, with
the Dulce symbol on the front upper left side. The standards hand-
weapon at Dulce, is a `Flash gun,' which is good against humans and
aliens. The I.D. card (used in card slots for the doors and
elevators) has the Dulce symbol above the I.D. photo. "Government
Honchos" use cards with the Great Seal of the U.S. on it. "The Cult
of the All-Seeing Eye" (The New World Order)...13, "666" -the Phoenix
Empire..."9"..."Illuminism,"...`One out of many.'"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
How the Flash-Gun Operates
This Awareness indicates that this as in the affirmative; that
in regard to the flash gun; that this as being likened unto a kind of
laser ray-gun; that it is a real life version of the Star Trek
phaser; the difference being that the flash-gun works in such a way
that the entity doesn't simply die from the blast, but is dried up.
This Awareness indicates that there is the potential for setting the
flash-gun to different frequencies or different ranges of
temperature; that its most intense range as that which immediately
dissolves or evaporates all water in the body, causing a body to
shrivel up totally, so that nothing in the sense of liquid within the
body is present.
Thus, the entity literally burns up at whatever speed is
appropriate according to the setting of the flash-gun; very quickly
or very slowly. It is essentially a death ray that works on the
water in the body.
(READING CONTINUES):
"After the second level, everyone is weighed, in the nude, then
given a uniform. `Visitors' are given an `off white' uniform. In
front of ALL sensitive areas are scales built under the doorway, by
the door control. The person's care must match with the weight and
code or the door won't open. Any discrepancy in weight (any change
over three pounds) will summon Security. No one is allowed to carry
anything into or out of sensitive areas. All supplies are put thru a
Security conveyer system. The alien symbol language appears alot at
the facility.
During the construction of the Facility (which was done in
stages, over many years), the aliens assisted in the design and
construction materials. Many of the things assembled by the workers
were of a technology they could not understand, yet...it would
function when fully put together. Example: The elevators have no
cables. They are controlled magnetically. The magnetic system is
inside the walls.
There are no conventional electrical controls. All is
controlled by advanced magnetics. That includes a magnetically
induced (phosphorescent) illumination system. There are no regular
light bulbs. All exits are magnetically controlled. Note: It has
been reported that, "if you place a large magnet on an entrance, it
will affect an immediate interruption. They will have to come and
reset the system."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is in the affirmative; that there
is a totally different advancement in terms of technology used by
these entities in regard to an advancement that worked from the base
of electro-magnetics without the use of wires, whereas your
technology transferred electricity through wires and created a system
along different lines. There was less mechanical activity in their
technology, and more electronic and magnetic technology, and more
electronic and magnetic technology development.
This Awareness indicates the lighting system used as that which
is painted upon the walls, or placed on the walls in a kind of paint
which is affected by an electromagnetic charge that is applied, which
causes the wall to light,---this affecting the paint on the walls and
the substances that are in that painted material.
(QUESTIONER):
The Interpreter's been in trance for quite a while, and we would
like to bring him up at this time and continue this reading later, if
it is alright with Awareness.
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This as in the affirmative. This Awareness suggests that this
may be seen as a break; that the questions may continue after a brief
interruption from our sponsor.
(The Law of Gratitude is given)
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THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY: (PART 4)...THE DARK SIDE OF TECHNOLOGY
(READING CONTINUES...after dinner):
"The town of Dulce. The area around Dulce has had a high number
of reported animal mutilations. The government and the aliens used
the animals for environmental tests, psychological warfare on people,
etc. The aliens also wanted large amounts of blood for Genetic,
Nutritional and other reasons.
"In the book, ET's and UFOs--They Need Us, We Don't Need Them,
by Virgil `Posty' Armstrong, he reports how his friends (Bob and
Sharon) stopped for the night in Dulce and went out to dinner. "They
overheard some local residents openly and vociferously discussing
extra-terrestrial abduction of townspeople for purposes of
experimentation." The ET's had our government's knowledge and
approval."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is in the affirmative; that
in any of those areas near those bases there is an excessive degree
of danger of abduction or otherwise intimidation. That in regard to
the aliens' need for large amounts of blood, there is recently a
scientific breakthrough in regard to the use of cattle blood being
altered to work for human transfusions; that the use of cattle blood
in humans is a possibility on a one-time basis, without such
alteration. With the alteration, it can be repeatedly used without
side effects; that within approximately 5 years there will be no need
for a blood transfusion from the use of human blood.
This Awareness indicates that part of this is a side-effect from
the experimentation that involves alien technology and the cattle and
human mutilations and the researches into the different types of
blood. This Awareness indicates that much of the blood supplied to
the aliens could be supplied from slaughterhouses, were this to be
more organized, and this would help to prevent much of the mutilation
that otherwise occurs.
(READING CONTINUES):
"In the Fifties, the EBES (Greys) began taking large numbers of
humans for experiments. By the Sixties, the rate was speeded up and
they began getting careless (they didn't care). By the Seventies,
their true colors were very obvious, but the "Special Group" of the
government still kept covering up for them.
"By the Eighties, the government realized there was no defense
against the Greys, so programs were enacted to prepare the public for
open contact with non-human `Alien Beings.'
"The Greys and the `Reptoids' are in league with each other.
But, their relationship is in a state of tension. The Greys' only
known enemy is the Reptilian race, and they are on their way to
earth. (Inside a Planetoid)."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness wishes entities to reflect back in regard to
these time segments in the previous paragraph, to reflect back in
regard to the attitude of the government toward the Greys in the
50's, 60's, and 70's, and you will see also that during such time
periods, the presentation of the aliens, in terms of any release of
information about aliens, tended to fit into the categories that the
government attitude held toward the aliens. The first attitude being
that they were benevolent people who were on a kind of friendly basis
with humanity, but as the time passed, this recognition reaching a
turning point in the 70's, in the late 70's and into the 80's,
wherein it was discovered that they were involved with excessive
human mutilation and abductions.
This Awareness indicates that what disturbed the government even
more was that they were deceptive to the government also. They were
breaking rules with the government in that they were supposed to be
giving a trade for technology. Efforts to fly the craft resulted in
many of the pilots being killed in the testing of the craft, and also
the Russians were being given technology which had been forbidden in
the agreements between the American government and the aliens. This
Awareness indicates that there were many groups in the 70's who
represented the aliens as being really nice, wonderful people,
rescuers of humanity. Even the movie, ET, was an attempt by the
government to present the image of aliens as being nice characters
from outer space. This was before the government discovered what
rascals they really were.
This Awareness suggests that last few sentences of that previous
paragraph be repeated; that this not necessarily be typed on your
final manuscript; this being for reference to this Awareness, for
further comment.
(Last two sentences are re-read)
This Awareness indicates that there is also some tension between
the Greys and the Dero. This reference to the Grey's only known
enemy; this in reference to certain elements of the Greys,
particularly the orange group which is generally hostile anyway.
This Awareness indicates that the reference to the Reptoids in the
planetoid, this as being accurate and having been discussed elsewhere
in other readings. These entities coming from Draco: the number
being approximately 40 million. This Awareness also indicates that
the element 115, which is available through the alien government
alliance, is capable of being useful in a kind of doomsday weapon
against the planetoid.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Mind Manipulation Experiments: The Dulce base has studied Mind
Control Implants; Bio-Psi Units; ELF Devices capable of mood, sleep
and heartbeat control, etc.
D.A.R.P.A. (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) is using
these technologies to manipulate people. They establish `The
Projects,' set priorities, coordinate efforts and guide the many
participants in these undertakings. Related projects are studied at
Sandia Base by "The JASON Group" of 55 scientists. They have
secretly harnessed the Dark Side of technology and hidden the
beneficial technology from the public.
Other projects take place at "Area 51" in Nevada. "Dreamland"
(Data Repository Establishment and Maintenance Land"); ELMINT
(Electro-magnetic Intelligence); CODE EMPIRE; CODE EVA; PROGRAM HIS;
(Hybrid Intelligence System); BW/CW; IRIS (Infrared Intruder
Systems); BI-PASS; REP-TILES; etc."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that these areas and names as related
to various aspects of various programs and locations; that the
reference to Groom Lake(?) and DREAMLAND can be researched in the
work of Lazar, the release of information from Lazar, and other
sources. This Awareness indicates that entities can do much of this
researching for themselves into the meaning of some of these; that
some of these terms are not defined clearly in publicly-released
information. This Awareness indicates that the information on
Element 115 as having been given in some of the earlier literature
also released by Lazar, and also to some degree, there are mentions
in the Cooper Material.
This Awareness suggests that entities can further research these
areas for more details if they are inclined to do so.
(READING CONTINUES):
"The studies on Level No. 4 at Dulce, include Human-Aura
Research, as well as all aspects of Dream, Hypnosis, Telepathy, etc.
They know how to manipulate the Bio-plasmic Body (of Man).
They can lower your heart beat with deep sleep `Delta Waves,' induce
a static shock, then re-program via a Brain-Computer link. They can
introduce data and programmed reactions into your mind (Information
impregnation-the "Dream Library."
We are entering an era of the technologicalization of psychic
powers.
The development of techniques to enhance man/machine
communications; Nano-tech; Bio-tech micro-machines; Psi-War; E.D.O.M.
(Electronic Dissolution of Memory); R.H.I.C. (Radio-Hypnotic Intra-
Cerebral Control); and various forms of behavior control (via
chemical agents, ultra-sonics, optical and other EM radiations). The
Physics of `Consciousness.'
COSMIC AWARENESS:
How Robotoids & Synthetics are Created
This Awareness indicates that it is also on this level that the
technique whereby souls can be extracted from the physical and
transferred into other bodies or into replicas occurs. That in the
transference there can also be the alteration of memories, values and
qualities of the soul, so that an entity can appear to be the same,
but there will be certain changes that have occurred that may be
unseen, and the attitude and purposes and directions of the entity
may then be controlled.
This Awareness indicates that this occurs when the vibratory
qualities of a soul are extracted by these electronic equipment from
a body and moved into another. This needs not necessarily be a
replica of the entity; it can be a totally different person's body,
in which case it becomes what is termed a walk-in. This Awareness
indicates that if it is a replica, it will tend to work with the
replica to create the final features that result in a duplication of
the features of the entity.
That this generally takes place on the almost human form, when
the mind-state or soul energies, including the various electro-body
energies are transferred, and as they begin to grow and attach
themselves to that almost human form. The features then begin to
solidify, to match the features of the electro-magnetic energies and
the soul energies and astral energies and other mental and etheric
bodies of the older original being.
This Awareness indicates that in the book of Genesis, which
states that God made Adam from clay, molded him; this was a poor
translation of the actual process. Rather than clay, it was
substance, then breathed the breath of life into Adam. The breath of
life being qualities of the Life Force which were part of the
creator, and this was in reference to the electromagnetic field of
the creator of Adam,--the Elohim, or alien that created Adam.
This Awareness indicates that this was the process of breathing
life or the breath of life into the substance that became Adam. It
was a similar process as the creation of replicas or duplicates,
though that took place approximately ten thousand years ago.
(READING CONTINUES):
The final statement of the last question: "The development of
biotechnologies will mean a revolutionary change in the life of every
human being now on earth. The question is: Will this be better
living through Bio-Tech?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that it will be a change. Whether it
will be better or worse will always be questionable. There will be
some benefits that come from this. There will be detriments that
come from this. There does not appear to be anything that can be
done to prevent this knowledge from being incorporated into the
Earth's consciousness; it has, in fact, been used by beings alien to
human consciousness for tens and hundreds of thousands of years,
indeed, millions of years, and it will continue to be used. It is
just that humans are just realizing such strange and awesome
knowledge exists. It will be equivalent to an individual, much like
that of the child, who suddenly discovers much to his dismay, that
sex brings forth children, for the adult to discover that genetic
engineering can create living beings, can alter living beings, can
create and alter new life forms, new types of beings. This is
shocking to one who has never been exposed to such reality.
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THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY: (PART 5)...THE PHANTOM EMPIRE
(READING CONTINUES):
"The Phantom Empire: Above the Law. The Dulce base is run by
a "Board." The Chairman of the Board is John Herrington. Jim Baker
(of Tenn.) is the CIA link to Dulce. House Speaker Jim Wright, D-
Texas (the nation's third-highest office) is Treasurer at Dulce.
There is currently a power struggle going on. As Rep. William
Thomas, R-Calf., put it..."Part of Jim Wright's problem is, he fails
to understand what's equitable and fair. It's the arrogance of
power." Even among his fellow democrats, many find Wright to be
"uncomfortably aloof." Wright's operating style leaves him
vulnerable.
Most meetings of `The Dulce Board' are held in Denver and Taos,
N.M. Former New Mexico Senator Harrison "Last man on the moon"
Schmitt, has full knowledge of Dulce. He was one of 7 astronauts to
tour the base.
In 1979, he held an "Animal Mutilation" conference in
Albuquerque, N.M. This was used to locate researchers and determine
what they had learned about the links between the "Mute" operations
and the Alien/Government.
Senator Brian (Nev.) knows about the `ULTRA' Secrets at
`Dreamland' and Dulce. So do many others in the government. This is
what the UFO researchers are up against, so be CAREFUL...they have
killed to keep this information secret. You now know more than they
want you to know.
They also have underwater bases off the coast of Florida and
Peru."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that all of the above is very poignant,
very accurate and very true. This Awareness indicates that even the
repetition through this reading of such information does create some
danger for C.A.C. headquarters and the Interpreter. This Awareness
indicates however, that it being just a kind of reflection of
material that is already available elsewhere, does tend to minimize
the danger, and the fact that the organization is small and the
publication limited to just a few hundred people, and the fact that
the information is available in other sources, and the sources are
being quoted, tends to minimize the danger.
Also, the fact that there are now quite a large number of
entities, UFO researchers and entities who are openly disclosing such
information, has led to a kind of floodgate opening of such
information. It makes it much less a danger. Had this information
been given a year ago, it would have been extremely dangerous, and
those who risked their lives in releasing this information a year
ago, in some cases almost two years ago, were indeed very courageous
and should be held in high esteem as they could have become more of a
large number of victims of the cover-up.
This Awareness indicates it does appear that part of the reason
this information can be released now, when it could not be released
even 18 months ago, is because there are conflicts even in the higher
ranks of government because some want the information hidden, while
others want it released to the public, knowing that the public must
be made aware of what is occurring if they are to be able to help in
the event of a clash between humans and aliens, and especially in
regard to the Draco/Reptilian invasion.
This Awareness indicates that those who are collaborators and
have been collaborators and do not wish the information released,
generally are continuing the cover-up out of fear that the masses
would blame them and hold them responsible for all that is due to an
alien presence, and they fear that they could be seen as traitors.
This Awareness indicates that there was a time when these entities
realized that masses of human beings were being sacrificed to feed
the alien appetites, and that the aliens were not being straight-
forward in their dealings with humans. These entities had a choice
of making a clean break with the aliens, or at least informing more
of the humans, or of continuing to collaborate and cover-up and make
excuses and assist the aliens.
Of course, some entities cannot decide quickly, given certain
amount of time. These entities have had sufficient time; that it
would appear proper that they now realize this information must be
released to the public. It is appropriate that many within the
higher ranks have the courage and the ethics to allow this
information to be released as is being done, without destroying the
lives of those courageous researchers who are releasing information.
(This Awareness suggests that the reading continue).
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"One question: House Speaker Jim Wright was drummed out of
office a few months back for alleged improprieties regarding outside
interests, and also for monies given to him by various corporations,
etc. He has been replaced by Tom Foley, a Democrat from our own
Washington State, and I'd like to ask: Did this information about
the Dulce complex and the alien information that Jim Wright had, was
this passed along to the new Speaker, Tom Foley?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this as being information that is
not appropriate through this channel to be released; that this would
be a violation of certain...This Awareness does not disclose any
information that is not already available elsewhere in regard to
individuals and their connections with these aliens, in terms of this
secret government. This Awareness indicates that there will come a
time when more is disclosed; that this information could be damaging
to various entities in various ways.
QUESTIONER: I understand.
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Subject: FILE: Web of Conspiracy part 4 (Conclusion)
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---------WEB part 4 (conclusion) ------------------------------------------
(READING CONTINUES):
"In the 1930's, `Division Five' of the FBI knew about the
`Aliens.' A Fascist cabal, within this country, had John Kennedy
assassinated. Look to the links, within the larger umbrella...the
`Web' of a fascist totalitarian secret police state...within the
Pentagon: JCS; DIA; FBI; (Division Five); DISC/DIS and the CIA.
Note: the Defense Investigative Service's insignia is a composite of
the sun's rays, a rose, and a dagger, symbolized "The Search for
Information, Trustworthiness and Danger." Other links are Nazi
scientists (who had contact with the Aliens); the S.S.; Satanists;
Permindex; Exxon; the Mafia; NBC, etc.
This links with caves used for `Initiation Rites' (all over the
world)...ancient vaults, retreats; Alien bases and Inner-Earth
civilizations."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this all as being correct
information; that this also relates to messages given in questions
asked yesterday in regard to the changes that are occurring
throughout the world, wherein this Awareness discussed certain
fascist energies that are in motion at this time. This Awareness
indicates that this is a time in which alliances between some of the
fascist energies and some of the aliens has shifted; that it is not
simply a matter of humans versus aliens; there are some aliens who
want alliances with humans and some who don't, and these are also in
some instances seeking alliances with humans, aliens seeking
alliances with the fascist elements of humans; other aliens seeking
to align themselves with the more Communistic alliance, or that
which might be termed the Bolshevik groups.
This Awareness indicates that the alliances being such that it
is a kind of struggle in which nothing absolutely clear has occurred,
but gradual shifting is making for a possibility that the alien
presence can be resolved to allow a human coexistence on this planet,
even in spite of the threat of the Draco Reptilians, and in spite of
the nature of the more hostile aliens on earth. There is a ray of
hope for humans, even though there is a threat to humanity greater
than humanity would have imagined.
The threat of nuclear war as that which conditioned humanity to
accept the potential for oblivion, but many humans would prefer
oblivion to enslavement by some of the beings whose attitudes and
natures see them as mere playthings or food or experimental guinea
pigs. This Awareness indicates there is much that humans can learn
from this experience in regard to their own attitude toward animals,
guinea pigs, and their own forms of experiments. This Awareness
indicates unfortunately, those who need to learn these lessons most
are not likely to have any reason to make such observations and
unfortunately too, there are many human cells and parts of
consciousness locked into those grotesque creations that are
presently entraped in a kind of hellish limbo and cannot get out,
because they have been genetically created as a `thing,' yet their
consciousness still remains that of humans. Even if retarded or
demented in nature, they still have human consciousness, and these
entities continue to suffer.
If entities think that this information is shocking and
disturbing to their peace of mind, stop for a moment and consider
what these beings who are the subject of experiments in the genetic
engineering levels such as Nightmare Hall, are going through. This
Awareness suggests you should sing praises to the Divine Forces that
have protected you and your loved ones, if indeed you have been so
fortunate as to have lived a good life, and you should consider the
dangers facing younger generations who must grow up in a world so
totally different than the world you knew in your youth.
This Awareness indicates that there is still, however, a ray of
hope for humanity, whereby great things can come about, wherein the
Greys have no sense of emotion, but do indeed desire such, and humans
can teach these entities in time through some of these genetic
mutations, especially their own hybrid offspring; it is possible that
race, which is close to a million years in age, can regain a sense of
compassion, a sense of emotion, can redevelop an astral, an emotional
body, and can perhaps even develop compassion and love, given
examples and given time to do so.
This Awareness indicates that entities need to be most cautious
in the coming years, love your neighbors, your children, your family.
Cherish them carefully. Watch them. Do not neglect them. Protect
them, and be cautious yourself. Your chances are greater, much
greater, that you will live a normal healthy and long life than that
you would become a victim of alien technology. That would be most
rare in terms of percentage. (This Awareness suggests the reading
continue).
(READING CONTINUES):
"Warning: Fascism is `Corporatism'. We have passed the point of
no return, in our interaction with the Alien Beings. We are
guaranteed `a crisis' which will persist until the final Revelation
(or conflict). The crisis is here, global and real. We must
mitigate or transform the nature of the disasters to come...and come
they will. Knowing is half the battle. Read the book, The Cosmic
Conspiracy, by Stan Deyo."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that knowledge is power. By knowing
what you know now from this information, you are much more powerful,
much more powerful than you were before being so informed. This
Awareness indicates in reference to the Stan Deyo information; this
book is not available or is very difficult to find. There is some
possibility of acquiring this book from certain sources. If this
book becomes available, you should, at all costs or at any reasonable
cost, acquire the book and read it.
It essentially speaks of the planned `rapture' in which there
will be the fake rapture, whereby there will be the appearance of an
event, a crisis that will lead humanity into the abyss of a global
crisis that could mean great difficulty for all. There may even be
the appearance of the rise of an Antichrist, followed by an invasion
of spaceships, which would follow the BOOK OF REVELATION, wherein
entities would believe they were being rescued by high spiritual
beings, and in face, these could well be the humans using alien craft
and introducing alien technology as a One World Government is
established.
This Awareness indicates that if these events were it take
place, prior to 1995, it is likely to be a fake event. It is
possible that the Pleiadians could return by 1993. The Pleiadians'
ships are different from the Greys and their appearance is different.
Their symbol is that of a serpent climbing a vine, or a serpent. The
Reptilian symbol is that of a dragon. The Grey's symbol also uses a
serpent, this being a cobra.
This Awareness indicates that the Stan Deyo book has been
suppressed in this country. There is some chance of getting copies
from Australia. There are rare copies in the United States. This
Awareness indicates that in regard to the corporations as being
fascist in nature; that this is in the affirmative. This Awareness
suggests also that you will recall remarks by Dr. Beter that heads of
corporations were being replaced by synthetics or robotoids; in other
words, replicas of themselves. This Awareness indicates that this as
having been part of the alien program in order to assure continued
use of such corporations.
These entities being replaced are under control, or were under
control, of these technologies of the alien and of those who were
putting implants into their replicas to control the corporations,
according to their general plans. This Awareness indicates there
does appear to have been considerable shift in the alliances since
that time, and as indicated, even the aliens may be changing
alliances, away from their previous Draco masters, in favor of
alliances with humans. For this reason there is some degree of hope,
particularly if this shift continues.
This Awareness indicates the Draco Reptilians do not really need
the earth. They have more room than they need to grow and thrive.
They simply want the Earth as a kind of strategic point in their
battle to conquest the galaxy. It is likened unto your army wanting
to take a hill, not because it needs more room, but because it wants
the hill to help it have better positioning for better conquest.
(This Awareness suggests the reading continue).
(READING CONTINUES):
This is the final question in this particular reference.
"Some forces, in the government, want the public to be aware of
what is happening. Other forces (the collaborators) want to continue
making `what ever deals necessary' for an elite few to survive the
conflicts. The future could bring a fascist `World Order' or a
transformation of human consciousness (Awareness). The struggle is
NOW...your active assistance is needed. Prepare! We must preserve
humanity on Earth."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
What You Can Do About This Alien Situation
This Awareness indicates that this is an excellent summary of
the situation. There is the potential for a fascist domination by
both human and aliens. There is also the potential for a major
awakening by the masses on this planet. The preparation that is
needed has to do with filling oneself with knowledge of the
situation, and giving this knowledge to other. This Awareness
indicates that as you can easily see, notifying the government or
other such authorities of this problem is like letting the fox know
that there's a fox in the henhouse.
This Awareness indicates that the important thing is to notify
the masses, to notify other people. Let them notify still more. Let
them notify their preachers, their doctors, the workers on the
street, the people in the stores. Let them notify people who are
interested, to notify people who make films, who write papers, who
spread news, who write articles for magazines, who speak publicly,
who have the ability to disseminate information, to people who have
access to a copier, to a printing press.
Notify these people with sufficient amount of information that
they can be fully educated and knowledgeable so that they are not
spreading information that is half truth, half distorted, confused.
This Awareness indicates that this is how entities can prepare: by
preparing each other, by preparing those who are willing to listen.
You do not have to force the information. If entities are afraid to
hear it, if they have no curiosity, if they do not dare listen, do
not force it on them.
This Awareness indicates that as time passes, and these things
become more in the news, as UFOs are talked about more, as the
advertisements begin to present more information on UFOs, as the
movies bring out more UFO stories, as these things begin to happen,
people will want to know more. Have extra copies of your material
for them. Purchase these books, tapes, study these things that have
been released wherein people are risking their lives to get this
information to you. Study these things, have copies, purchase extra
copies. The more you purchase, the more you are contributing to the
future of humanity.
Give these copies, loan these copies, sell these copies;
whatever it takes to get the information out. People need to know.
Many entities want to know. Do not frighten entities who are already
helpless. Do not give it to the old lady who is on her deathbed, or
who is afraid to open her drapes at night. It would only frighten
her and harm her. Give it to them in doses they can accept.
If they cannot accept the full dose, give them something mild
until they ask for more. This Awareness indicates it is possible
that humanity can survive. The aliens presently on Earth have
greater technology than humans and yet they have this fear of humans
because of human emotion. It is something they do not understand;
and remember to wrap yourself and your loved ones in White Light
frequently, especially so when you are out in isolated areas, or when
you are monitored and feel vibrations tapping into your
consciousness.
This Awareness suggests any further questions may be asked at
this time or the Interpreter may be brought from trance.
HOW UFO RESEARCHERS GATHER THEIR INFORMATION
(High Praise To Valdamar Valerian)
QUESTION:
"We do have a few more questions while we're on this subject.
In the book, now out of print, called THE MATRIX, by Valdamar
Valerian, who's of the Nevada Aerial Research Group, there's a little
additional information I'd like to read, and ask if this information
on these entities is also valid."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness wishes to make a comment here, in regard to the
entity Valerian. This Awareness indicates that many entities may
wonder: How can a UFO researcher, having a group and putting out a
newsletter on UFOs, get so much information and have it accurate or
worthwhile? Is it possible that they are simply making up
information to print?
This Awareness indicates that in some cases, this is so. There
are some who start out on a shoe string, read magazines and then put
out information. There are many stories in some tabloids that are
simply fabricated, made up, but this Awareness indicates there is an
enormous amount of UFO information that has been double-checked in
different ways. There are many entities in the field of UFO
technology, working within the government, working in areas or living
in areas near bases, or people who have some relationship with
similar entities, and who have some knowledge, many of these entities
having spent much of their lifetime studying UFOs or UFO technology
or working with government branches that were involved in such, and
as these entities reach a certain age or leave their occupation or
begin to feel a twinge of guilty conscience about what they perceive
as not being the highest and best for the American people, they begin
to desire to give this information, to get it out.
These entities often write to groups like the Nevada Aerial
Research Group and the entity Valerian; and this entity, just by
being there, receives enormous amounts of information from people who
have something to tell, whose history and background was deeply
involved in this kind of cover-up, and these entities often
corroborate each other's testimony. One can say something; five
years later, another report comes in that verifies something that
came in before, and these entities in corroborating each other, lend
credit, especially if these entities did not know each other or came
from different backgrounds and had no similar connection, and the
same is so for abductees; wherein the abductee from South America
experiences the same thing as an abductee from Europe or Asia or the
United States, a pattern begins to emerge and that pattern indicates
something real is happening all over the world.
This Awareness indicates it is in this manner that information
is gathered that tends to indicate a strong validity, even though the
information may seem to be out of this world, and even alien to one's
intelligence.
(This Awareness suggests the question continue).
THE VARIOUS SPECIES OF ALIENS IN THE UNDERGROUND CITY
QUESTION RESUMES:
"Yes. This quoted from the book, THE MATRIX.
"Grey Species 2--the Reticulans. This species is the one most
commonly thought of as being `Greys', and is the one popularized
in recent books about the subject. This species consists of
beings that exists at 3rd, 4th, and 5th density levels. Most of
them exist at the 4th density level, which means that they are
telepathic in nature. Those existing at the 5th level have no
physical bodies but must inhabit what they call "doll bodies,"
or android bionic bodies. Connection is sustained with these
bodies through chakra points.
Grey Species 2 is a species that functions in a mode that is
apparently military in nature, with a rigidly defined social
structure that holds science and conquering worlds to be the prime
mover. What appear to be officers in this society have a diagonal
band running across their uniform. Officers are often 5th density,
and sometimes retain what appears to be a toy doll that they exhibit
to others around them. It is thought that this functions as a symbol
of authority among them.
Grey Species 2 are about four feet high, have heads that are
large and black wrap-around eyes. They also have devices that
magnify their mental fields in order to maintain control over humans
abducted. They can withdraw information from the mental field of the
human and use that information to form the basis for mental
projections that influence the human to behave in certain ways.
Some of these ways include disguising themselves as other humans
or other beings in order to gain control over the human being.
Mentally, these species function in what might be termed a
"group mind." They do not have individualized consciousness. This
fact is an advantage to humans because the Greys cannot respond
adequately to a sudden shift in what they perceive to be happening.
They cannot take a "curve ball," either psychologically or otherwise.
Grey Species 2 is a scientifically based society that functions
to study other lifeforms. They have had a part to play in alteration
of human genetics over thousands of years. They seek to cross-breed
with humans to create a mixture-race that will be better than
either."
That was the end of that article. Would Awareness comment as to
the validity of that information?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this as generally correct: that
there are seven of the Reticuli species or types. These may be
termed races or species; that species is perhaps a better term for
them. There are also seven types of Reptilians of the Draco
civilization. This Awareness indicates that it can become extremely
confusing to get into the many detailed levels of the species and
behaviors of such; that essentially, this information as correct;
that there are other details that can be added or clarified in the
information, but that it is not critical or truly essential to do so.
This Awareness suggests that any further questions be asked or
the Interpreter by brought from trance.
Ed's Note: For information on Valdamar Valerian and his
Nevada Aerial Research Newsletter, please write:
P.O. Box 81407, Las Vegas, Nevada 89180.
This entity has put together a book in 1988, called "The
Matrix: Understanding Aspects of Covert Interaction
With Alien Culture, Technology and Planetary Power
Structures." Several hundred copies were printed. The
book contained 361 pages of information, including
maps and illustrations of alien bases, including their
tunnel network. Called by many UFO researchers,
the most detailed information on aliens to date, "The
Matrix" was also listed in William Cooper's material
as reputable references.
An interesting note, that backs up the information
just given by Awareness, that bits and pieces of inform-
ation comes in to this entity, and years later is verified
by other information. In the last chapter of the `Matrix,'
Valerian included 14 pages of the UFO information
released by C.A.C. in 1978 and early `79, which included
information on aliens, deros, replicas etc. In the preface
to this information, Valerian stated the following:
"COSMIC AWARENESS COMMUNICATIONS"---
Generally seen as one of the most esoteric channeled
sources, C.A.C. does present some interesting concepts.
Some of the data does, in fact, match verified data that
we have about the EBEs. A sample of their newsletter
follows..."
The book, "The Matrix" sold for $60 and is out of
print. Hopefully, demand may force a reprinting and
perhaps an updating of this informative book, which
was published by:
Arcturus Book Service,
P.O. Box 831383
Stone Mountain, Ga. 30083
Phone: (404) 297-4624
We heartily suggest that if you wish to research UFOs
that you write Arcturus Book Service and request their
latest catalog of used, hard-to-find books on this subject.
New catalogs are updated monthly. This editor has been
able to locate quite a few books long out of print,
which Awareness has recommended in the past-the
works of John Keel, for instance. Arcturus Book
Service buys, and sells used books in the UFO and
related fields. Get on their mailing list without delay!
(Avaton)
COULD HEAT BE A POSSIBLE DETERRENT TO THE ALIENS?
QUESTION:
I had a couple more. In the Book, *THE ARMSTRONG REPORT: THEY
NEED US, WE DON'T NEED THEM, by Virgil Armstrong, he suggests: "We
know the greatest weakness of these aliens is their lack of
spirituality, but what about physical weakness? Surprisingly, the
answer has to do with heat. Apparently, they are extremely sensitive
to excessive heat and cannot safely sustain degrees beyond 80 to 85
degrees Fahrenheit. Beyond this would be injurious or fatal.
"Although I am a firm believer that we must deal with these ET's
primarily through spiritual means, possibly heat may serve as a
deterrent or restraint. Something to ponder."
Will Awareness comment on that theory?
*The Armstrong Report: "They Need Us,
We Don't Need Them," by Virgil Armstrong,
Entheos Publishing, P.O. Box 20174,
Village of Oak Creek, Az 86341. Price:
$7.95 plus postage. (Also available from
C.A.C. although not listed in our Book
Catalog sheet.
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this could be considered as a
beneficial weapon in terms of dealing with these entities at certain
times, or under certain conditions. Unfortunately, for the entity's
argument, it does not appear to apply to all the aliens. The
Reptilians, especially, do not appear to be disturbed by the elements
of heat. This Awareness indicates it applies mostly to the Greys
from Orion, who tend to gravitate more toward the Northern climates.
It is partly for this reason that these entities prefer living under-
ground than above ground. Also, they do not like the effect of the
sun's rays, even when the temperature of the atmosphere is cool, the
sun's rays tend to burn them, and this is not to their liking. It
also is harmful to their eyes.
This Awareness indicates this is fortunate for humans in that
these entities tend to leave the surface alone where humans live,
except at night, when it is cooler and when there is less light.
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"Those underground levels must be air-conditioned, are they not,
because one would think it would be pretty hot down there that far
into the earth."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is in the affirmative; that
generally these are selected areas, staying away from the more hot
locations; these being in areas that tend to be cool, away from magma
and volcanic lava and such that exhibits heat.
HOW MUCH KARMA EXISTS BETWEEN THE ALIENS AND THEIR VICTIMS?
QUESTION:
"In this book I just quoted from, Virgil Armstrong has a theory
I'd like to ask about. He writes: "The theory expounds that those
who are being abducted and tampered with on the surface are in an
agreement with a covenant established in another life. In short,
these unfortunate individuals are purposefully born and placed here
to serve as spare-parts and vehicles of purpose for the ET's in
question. In other words they are to serve the sacrificial needs of
the dying and needy ET's so that their civilization can recoup and
endure.
"If one accepts this, and I don't, then we would have to
presuppose that we are already heavily infiltrated with these
unfortunate individuals, who in truth would be aliens in human
bodies.
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that there does appear to be a certain
type of karma that is carried over in a kind of vibration. This
karma as not necessarily a negative karma, but related to a kind of
alliance; that it is a kind of pace that developed at some time in
the past. This Awareness indicates that the energies on this are not
clear at this time; that the Interpreter as having been in trance for
too long to draw strong energy for this question; that one more
question may be asked.
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"Well, this might be the same situation. Along this same line,
I was wondering if the genetic experiments on that level described
earlier, those terrible experiments, if there's any possibility that
these creatures created were the genetic engineers in Atlantis
thousands of years ago that perpetrated similar atrocities?"
What goes around comes around...
WHY MOST PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE ALIENS
(PAYING THE PIPER AFTER MAKING A PACT)
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that in the forming of a pact wherein
one benefits at one time, there is the fee or cost, and there are
certain government people at this time who have formed pacts with
these entities who have not yet paid the fee. This Awareness
indicates that there are also opportunities by some of these entities
to have a second chance to break that cycle of selling themselves to
these beings, and if they can break that cycle, there is that
possibility of escaping from the karma they would otherwise endure.
This Awareness indicates that the entity who forms a pact at one
time in one life, and works for these entities, will return to work
for them again, and each time this occurs, the entity will have that
opportunity to break that alliance, and if the entity can break that
alliance, the enslavement is broken; but generally in the formation
of the alliance and the following opportunities of working with these
entities, there is a great temptation that is based on greed,
tempting the entities not to break the alliance. They actually feel
an attraction, a drawing, a desire to work with, to work for these
aliens. They tend to think of them as masters and want to give
themselves to their cause.
This Awareness indicates that it is this cycle and this
attraction that needs to be broken in order for entities to be free.
This Awareness indicates that there will be further efforts by these
aliens to appeal to the greed of people, particularly involved in the
monetary situation, wherein entities will be given an opportunity to
accept a chip in their hand, an alien-sponsored chip in their hand or
wrist or forehead, whereby if such is accepted, they then belong to
the aliens.
This Awareness indicates that those who at any time accept
aliens as masters will be used by these aliens. That essentially is
the harvest, wherein they collect those who have sold themselves to
the aliens for some security, or monetary gain, or gain of power. It
is a way of weeding out the entity who wants to follow the follower,
from the entity who is an individual who has personal integrity, is
integrated as an individual with their own Divine Center.
This Awareness indicates that in centering yourself with your
own Divine Deity, the aliens can have no control, can have no hold on
you. If you give yourself totally to the Highest and Best in the
sense of the absolute Divine, you are free of any domination by any
force outside, but if you lick the toes of the aliens, (both toes),
you are their servant until you break the cycle.
QUESTION:
"Does Awareness have a closing message?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates there is much here for entities to
consider, to think about. There is much here to give entities great
hope. There is much here to give entities great concern. There is
much here to give entities something to study, something to reflect
on, something to measure their values against, something to put their
life in perspective with. There is much here to give to others, to
share with others, to share carefully discerningly with the right
people.
This Awareness indicates that it is time for entities to do such
sharing. It is valuable for entities to fully digest this
information, reread it approximately three times. Share it. Make
copies. Give entities other sources, references for further
research, so that they do not think that you yourself are getting
your information from one source only. Give them the opportunity to
research it for themselves. Encourage them to do so. Then you will
have someone to talk to about these things.
This Awareness indicates that this is the beginning of the
awakening. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you
free.
(This Awareness suggests the Interpreter be brought from
trance.)
The Law of Gratitude is given.
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-* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the best of us.
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Area 51
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Date: 8 Aug 91 06:28:57 GMT
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In article <0caNhRG00Uh_Q2Wnw7@andrew.cmu.edu> cs49+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher J. Shields) writes:
>Since I can't e-mail Don Allen I have to post...
>
>Don, a few weeks ago you mentioned that you had a "huge" file on area
>51. could you please post it or send it to me in parts by e-mail. It
>would be greatly appreciated.
Chris,
Check out "Web of Conspiracy"..this is the file I was referring to. It
should get to your area before long.
Don
>
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-* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the best of us.
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From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Solar Tour Part #6
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(Monka Speaking)
This is truly the birthplace of (human) life upon your planet. Gaze
with wonder and awe! Look upon the majesty of this, the home and cradle
of MAN in this Solar System. For here we see and here dwells, those
mighty beings of the Adamic race. The shimmering haze about this one
blinds your telescopes to the realities present. For the effects of
light, distorted by this one's glowing field of force, hides the truth
from the eyes of men upon your planet. For we find that the air is
light and balmy. It is vibrant. For we see an atmosphere golden in
radiance, beings, fair-haired and majestic. We also see here a civ-
ilizatiion that exists partly between the physical and the etheric.
Whenever we are close to this one, our verty beings leap in recogni-
tion and we send our thoughts of love and gratitude.
I'll leave you with this saying; It is better to have not said something
and wish you had than to have said somnething and wish you hadn't.
Standard Disclaimer.
John.
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From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Solar Tour part#5
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I'm not gonna complain about this stuff any more. It's truly
inspired. JOHN, can you mail me copies of everything you've
posted to date? I foolishly threw them away, before I learned
to appreciate them. They are masterpieces of their form.
Keep it up!
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From: truesdel@nas.nasa.gov (David A. Truesdell)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed?
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X-Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are mine, not my employers, nor NASA's.
showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) writes:
>It is a matter of the assumption that people seem to make that
>intelligence and spiritual would be connected. They are not, as
>sci.skeptic well proves.
For once Don Showen says something I almost agree with. The intelligent
tend not to be spiritual, and the spiritual tend not to be intelligent. :-}
--
T.T.F.N.,
Dave Truesdell (truesdel@nas.nasa.gov) Computer Scientist/Software Packrat
"What the gods would destroy they first submit to an IEEE standards committee."
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh Vander Berg) writes:
> In article <1991Aug6.120038.17853@ujocs.joensuu.fi> asiivo@ujocs.joensuu.fi (
> >k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh Vander Berg) writes:
> >
> >>In article <91191.083839JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC
> >>>In my opinion one of the reasons why science has a hard time finding
> >>>the missing link and how man evolved on earth is that man is not
> >>>native of this planet but was brought or came here from other planets
> >
> >>Nice theory, too bad it totally ignores scientific fact. If man was
> >>brought here from another planet, why the heck does he share 99% of his
> >>genome with chimps? Answer: He EVOLVED from monkeys. The reason they
> >>can't find any missing link is because things that lived millions of years
> >>ago are generally pretty damned hard to find evidence of nowadays. I
> >>suppose though that you will just argue that whoever put humans here
> >>genetically engineered us to be very similar to apes. Further and further
> >>into fantasy we tread....
> >
> > The reason why the missing links are so hard to find is that there are
> > no such links at all. A lot of skeletons of apes and people have been
> > found, but no 'links' between them, we must come to a conclusion tha
> > simply, there are no such links.
> >
> > Andreas
> >
> Strange, I am aware of many skeletons having been found which were definitely
> non-human and non-ape, but primates. But then again, I guess all of the
> paleontologists(sp?) are wrong, and you are right. I believe that the
> missing link refers to a link between our proto-human ancestors and "apes".
> To often people use the "missing link" to totally discount evolution. This
> is wrong, looking at one gap in the fossil record does not disprove the
> large body of fossil evidence which shows human's evolution from lower
> primates.
>
> Also, this attitude "the reason we have never found it is because it does
> not exist" I find to be totally repugnant. By this logic, the reason we
> have never seen an atom is because they don't exist, the reason we have
> never seen an electron is because it doesn't exist.
> This viewpoint, aside from being incredible narrow minded,
> ignores the fact that the existence of these things can be infered from
> other directly observable evidence. We know there are electrons because we
> observe phenomenon which can only by explained by the invention of an
> electron "model". We also know that the missing link must somehow exist,
> and can infer quite alot about what the missing link must be like because of
> the body of fossil evidence surrounding this "gap".
>
> --
> Josh Vander Berg (k080093@kzoo.edu)
There are links, but there seems to be no smooth transition between
species. Why are the separate species' fossils so much more prevalent that
the intermediate fossils?
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From: mcripps@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (michael.j.cripps)
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Subject: Re: Yo! Needles/Communion & Shit
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In article <gccM7bK00Uh_02PFIH@andrew.cmu.edu>, cs49+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher J. Shields) writes:
>
> 1> "Communion" as a movie SUCKED cinematography-wise and somewhat story
> wise.
I don't know if I'd be *that* strong about it, but I tend to agree.
Haven't read the book, though.
> 2> Strieber had an MRI .....NOT a Cat Scan like people have been saying.
> This was reported in a year-old or so issue of OMNI ( I can't remember
> the date but I do remember the article )
Actually, it was June '91. I don't usually buy OMNI, but it was the only
interesting magazine at a Pennsylvania Turnpike rest stop...
> A white spot showed up on his
"spots" according to the article.
> MRI around the area of his optic nerve. This could be an alien implant
> or it could be an air bubble.
> Bud Hopkins was quoted as saying in the issue of Omni
> that it would be virtually impossible to remove the 2mm implant that
> Strieber claims to have.
Hopkins also says that that many radiologists are doing MRIs on patients
that claim to have been abducted and had implants. Maybe we'll see some
statistcal "evidence" sometime soon.
The article also makes a point of pointing out the difficulty in determining
whether some artifact is of alien origin or not. Even if these implants
are found, how are we gonna tell they're alien?
Mike Cripps
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From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen)
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Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed?
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Joe Mastroianni comments
>I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
>multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
>with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
It is a matter of the assumption that people seem to make that
intelligence and spiritual would be connected. They are not, as
sci.skeptic well proves. The ETs who have been in touch with the Govt.
since the 40's are very intelligent and technological, but have no
feelings or love. Consequently them and the govt. (military) get
along great together. In fact that is why the Govt. attracted that
type instead of a more benevolent, loving, higher, evolved type.
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From: bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake)
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Subject: Re: Communion question
Keywords: communion
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ewf2@ra.MsState.Edu (Juice S. Aaron) writes:
>
> A few months ago I picked up and read the vast majority of
> the book called Communion. What the book had to say
> was quite interesting and sometimes somewhat shocking
> for me. I spent many a night wondering if big ugly
> aliens with spindly arms would come waltzing down my
> hall (or if they already had and I just didn't remember
> it.) Then I heard that there was a movie based on
> the book and after waiting millenia for it to be
> released on video was able to watch it.
> I noticed that the screenplay for the movie was
> written by Streiber himself so I thought
> we'll get the real picture that was presented in
> the book. Now I watched the movie and afterwards
> I found myself wondering if it was actually true to the
> book. Several minor little things were changed, (such
> as the gender of the psychiatrist he went to) but nothing
> major seemed out of place until the scene near the end with
> the aliens in suit coats and the strangeness that went on then.
> I seem to remember the movie having something really
> out of place near the end that involved the aliens
> dressed up like humans who removed their faces to show
> human faces under them. I don't seem to remember that
> from the book. (Not to say it wasn't in the book as I
> didn't read some bits of the book as well as I read other
> bits)
> Did the movie stick to the book or did streiber take
> liberties with his own supposedly true story?
>
> JSA
I believe the part at the end was a dream he had, which he discussed in
Transformation, the sequel to Communion. The movie did follow the book
somewhat, but left out quite a bit. The visitors never spoke in the movie.
It also kind of showed Strieber as being more affected that he said he was
in the book, and also made him out as being rather strange. Of course, what
do you expect when you have Christopher Walken playing Whitley Streiber? (He
WAS excellent for the part).
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Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni) writes:
> In article <kLmB73w164w@doomsday.Spies.COM> bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Bla
> >jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni) writes:
> >
> >> I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
> >> multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
> >> with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
> >>
> >[lines deleted]
> >It makes perfect sense, when you consider that perhaps they are attempting
> >to "ready" our society for the shock of finding out we're NOT alone.
> >
> >--
> >Blake (bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM)
> >
> >Spies in the Wire, PUBLIC ACCESS UNIX -- (408) 867-7400
>
> Actually, my point is: Why would an advanced civilization regard our form
> of government as a vehicle to communicate or control the masses? When
> we take eggs from chickens, we don't bother to ask the "head rooster". We
> go right to the chickens. Its easier.
>
> Joe
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> Santa Clara Ca. "Up the airy mountain;down the rushy glen; we
> jdm@cadence.com daren't go a hunting; for fear of little men "
When you consider the amount of help our government is supposed to have
given them, and the fact that they may be able to hide from the general
public, but not from the government (Radar DOES pick them up, and the govt
has known about them since the crash at Roswell, which may have been staged)
it seems perfectly reasonable that they would communicate with our
government in order to keep them from releasing the information too early.
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HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> The address is only interesting because we both work at the same
> lab. John is a real, genuine and honest person. I don't agree with
> him on much but I don't discount his arguments just because of his
> spelling. Some people believe, and the logic of a believer can
> never be understood by a non-believer or should be. Maybe I will
> show him how to use spellfix.
Why don't you just teach him how to SPELL?
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From: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Crop Circles in the UK
Message-ID: <1991Aug08.183352.32236@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>
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On Tuesday of last week an entirely new crop formation appeared
for the first time near West Woods, Lockeridge. From the air this
looks like an enormous fish, whale or dolphin 200 ft long. At each
end straight pathways of flattened crop lead out into the centre of
large rings 60 ft in diameter. The two paths are co-linear and form
the central axis of the formation about which it is symmetrical.
On either side of this great fish-shape are other pathways each slanted
backwards at 45 deg. These have the appearance of flippers, or perhaps
the dorsal and ventral fins of this marine animal.
Whether this represents a whale, a dolphin or other fish, hooked
between two great rings is not clear. Certainly the elongated tapering
body which which has filled out from a swirled circle at its centre is
something never previously seen. Last Thursday a further identical
formation appeared near Beckhampton, three miles away. One interesting
facet is that the plain ring with a straight path to its centre is one
element of the "unbelievable" pictogram at Barbury Castle, which
Dr Meaden has had to say is a hoax.
On Thursday a friend of mine was being interviewed for a Channel 4
documentary in the first "whale" at Lockeridge. This proved almost
impossible due to the noise of helicopters and microlights above.
He met Robert Watts who was trying to film the formation for his new
movie at the same time. He is a film-maker who helped George Lucas
produce 'Star Wars' and who made movies like 'Indiana Jones and the
Temple of Doom', etc. His colossal helicopter which roared overhead,
and to which he gave instructions through a walkie- talkie, made the
Robinson my friend was in look like a toy.
Footage of the Circles will be used in his latest movie,
'Once upon a time in the Universe', which will be released in late 1992.
Above in the helicopter they were using a fabulously expensive VistaVision
movie camera, one of only three in the world. Talking to him later they
discovered that he was extremely knowledgable about the circles and had
a very good insight into the circles nature .
My friend was flattered to hear that he attributed this to some extent
to what he had written in 'The Crop Circle Enigma'. (Published by CCCS)
In the last few days two more similar formations have appeared in the
Silbury Hill area. The latest ones are smaller and have the end rings over-
lapping the tapering ends of the "fish-body". The two flippers are missing.
One of these formations is near the end of Stone Avenue, an avenue of
menhirs running S. from the great Stone Circle at Avebury. The connection
between the dowsable energy lines which run through this Stone Circle
and along Stone Avenue and the new formations seems undoubted.
This is immediately next to the energy line whose remarkable variations
had been dowsed during the earlier months of this year. And beside this
new formation is a precise semicircle which is also something not
previously seen.
Reports are coming in of circles and larger formations in Cambridgeshire,
Nottinghamshire, Cornwall, Kent, Essex, Buckinghamshire and Hampshire
all of which have been found in the last few days. There are many
different shapes, some completely new like the strange curly designs
being found near Cheesefoot Head. A quincunx formation in which one
of the four satellites is replaced by a triangle has appeared near
Chequers, a Prime Ministerial residence near High Wycombe. I am told
that the arrow-like triangle points straight at Chequers.
There is a few formations in Cambridgeshire last weekend. Just a simple
pictogram or two at Sutton near Ely where circles have never previously
appeared and a magnificent 200ft diameter ring (10 ft wide) where the
standing wheat in the middle is quite undisturbed. The latter, at Elton,
was found one year to the day after a similar formation in the same
place in 1990. The field where this ring and a smaller ring and circle
are situated is right over the site of ancient Durobrivae, the second
largest settlement in Roman Britain.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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> From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
> Date: 7 Aug 91 02:50:22 GMT
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> If this is your only objection to Strieber, I suggest you re-think
> things (and read a bit more). He explains the episode you speak of in
> _Transformation_ which is a sequel to _Communion_. What is it you
> object to about the story he told?
>
> Personally, I have two things to say about Strieber: (1) I don't
> believe he's lying and (2) he's a *lot* smarter than your average
> UFO-nut (or average person, for that matter). I'd like to see how *you*
> handle the situation he's (apparently) been put into.
I would be really interested in what Strieber's story has to say that
convinced you that he was telling the truth? I suspect that he is a lot
smarter than the average person, but that doesn't add to his credibility. I
have heard a lot of stories on the "inside" of things that convince me that
Strieber was making it all up. But why?
> BTW, it's comments like yours that have led Strieber to label ufologists
> "the cruellest, nastiest and craziest people I have ever encountered."
He labels ufologists that way because we are smart to his game. After a
lengthy time of trying to get us to accept his crap, he jumps ship. Tell me,
just how concerned is he to leave his devotees high and dry without any
resources to help them with their problems?
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Re: Alien Spacecraft To Be Displayed? [forwarded From Sci.astro]
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> From: wsadjw@rw7.urc.tue.nl (Jan Willem Nienhuys)
> Date: 6 Aug 91 16:22:22 GMT
> Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands
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> This cattle mutilation bit is thought up by silly woolly blockheads,
> who couldn't distinguish a chain saw from a surgical knife, and who,
> when they happen on a dead animal that has been gnawed at by small
> predators (who like the soft parts, like the genitals, yes these
> so called "certain glands" why mince words, their balls of course,-
> when they happen on such things, these paranormal yokels can only
> think up the most implausible explanation, UFO's and Satanic Rituals
> (you know these guys that revel in sneaking up on dead carcasses in the
> dead of the night and relish in biting off - with surgical precision of
> course - their half rotten eyes, cunts and dicks and arses - (off the
> carcasses of course), all in the sick imagination of UFO-freaks and
> Fundamentalist devil-hunters and hillbilly cops) and what have you.
> Yechch (sp?).
>
> It really doesn't help to send police officers, pathologists,
> veterinary surgeons and so on to investigate, because whatever they say
> sinks in the morassess of the hordes of ignorant nitwits and
> summertime journalism, to vanish out of sight forever and ever.
Your ignorance of the subject only serves to surpass your lack of lack of
dignity and net-manners.
Most of the "animal mutilations" can be attributed to the action of predators,
and other human-related phenomena, however there are a good number that have
occurred which have been given the title of "classic mutilations." And, there
have been some qualified pathological work done on the animals to indicate
that a technology beyond ordinary was used to perform the surgery. Further,
what makes this so incredible is the testimony of witnesses who have been in
the area prior to the mutilations, or in some cases, during. While I don't
ascribe an ET or UFO-related connection, some of the evidence is compelling,
and deserves attention.
In the future, please keep your foul mouth shut until you have the facts. I
would appreciate it, as your posting was offensive.
Mike
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Subject: Re: Emotional Food...
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> From: galen@hoptoad.uucp (Galen Wolf)
> Date: 7 Aug 91 03:33:13 GMT
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> > seems to be going along with this coverup. How did the U.S convince
> > these nations to go along? What evidence did they present them, and
> > what possible arguments could they have used?
>
> government is government, worldwide.
It should read: economics are economics, worldwide :-)
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Saucer Symbols References
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> From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
> Date: 7 Aug 91 13:41:31 GMT
> Organization: V. I. Corporation, Amherst, Massachusetts
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>
> Does anyone know of any resources which contain pictures or descriptions
> of any symbols purported to be seen inside UFOs or on UFO retrieved
> material? For instance, the symbols said to be have seen inside the
> Roswell saucer.
As far as I know, there has been no crypto-analysis done in the civilian world,
but you can bet that the government has done plenty with it, considering that
there was lots of that material containing the writing in the Roswell crash.
It would be very interesting to find more of this material and work on it to
see if the nut could be cracked. At the present time, there just isn't
enough.
Mike
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From: mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
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Subject: Re: Reading material
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eherrera@zinfandel.metaphor.com (Eric Herrera) writes:
One question... I presume that we are all familiar with the
plain of Nazca in Peru (big ground etchings of monkeys,
hummingbirds, spiders and other things discernable only from a
pretty good altitude, and supposedly quite old)... any
theories, debunks, etc.? Is this a FAQ?
... I seem to recall some fellas (funded by Nat'l Geographic Soc., I
think) a few years back trying to create a hot-air balloon with
time-of-drawings-available materials and techniques. They succeeded.
If you make the presumption that the people of the Nazca could
reason out the hot-air-rises->flying-in-a-balloon, then the scenario
goes like this:
The priests/king/whatever were able to direct/observe the patterns
on the ground from the air via tethered balloons (it does have a
certain appeal -- pictures that *only* a select few non-peons can
see). The stories of [dead] kings 'flying away' comes from
black-balloon-'coffins', that rose out of sight due to solar heating.
Anybody got a 'harder' reference?
Hope this helps,
Charles
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Subject: calling soon
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sorry! just testing.
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From: carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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Date: 9 Aug 91 11:32:34 GMT
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In article <0geD73w164w@doomsday.Spies.COM>, bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake) writes:
> There are links, but there seems to be no smooth transition between
>species. Why are the separate species' fossils so much more prevalent that
>the intermediate fossils?
Because frequently the periods in which conditions exist under which fossils
will be formed are not as long as the time taken for speciation?
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organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
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From: carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Solar Tour part#5
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In article <91220.073933JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>the one known as Jupiter. Truly, this is a singular sight to gaze upon
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So now Jupiter's a black hole? And even a naked singularity? :-)
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Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXes and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So
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organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
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From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
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Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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In bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blak writes...
> ...
> When you consider the amount of help our government is supposed to have
>given them, and the fact that they may be able to hide from the general
>public, but not from the government (Radar DOES pick them up, and the govt
>has known about them since the crash at Roswell, which may have been staged)
>it seems perfectly reasonable that they would communicate with our
>government in order to keep them from releasing the information too early.
How many air-traffic controllers, both civilian and military; how many
pilots and flight-engineers, both civilian and military; how many ground
radar operators, both civilian and military; how many levels of government;
how many governments in the world are involved in this 'conspiracy' ? ;-)
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From: roa@davinci.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert O. Anderson Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Roswell
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Ireallyam: roa
>>wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>>What do YOU think happened at Roswell and do you think there may indeed
>>be other worlds with a form of life at *least* as intelligent as our own?
>From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
^^^^^^^**
>First off: something *did* crash near Roswell. *What* crashed is
>up-for-grabs. With the evidence the public has on it, it's really the
>you may as well flip a coin: "heads" it's a UFO; "tails" it's a Fugo.
>If the government came forward and said, "It was a Fugo and
>here's the remains of it..." that doesn't prove anything. They could be
>faking it. The only way to settle it is to come out and say, "It was a
>UFO and here it is..." if that's what happened.
>In my opinion, however, it was a UFO.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Let me get this straight, if the government says it's a UFO,
then it MUST BE a UFO. If they say it's a Fugo, then they're LYING !!
Bobby
**Now I understand.
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell
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In article <1991Aug9.131349.11285@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> roa@davinci.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert O. Anderson Jr) writes:
=>
=>>>wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
=>
=>>>What do YOU think happened at Roswell and do you think there may indeed
=>>>be other worlds with a form of life at *least* as intelligent as our own?
=>
=>>From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
=> ^^^^^^^**
=>
=>
=>>First off: something *did* crash near Roswell. *What* crashed is
=>>up-for-grabs. With the evidence the public has on it, it's really the
=>>you may as well flip a coin: "heads" it's a UFO; "tails" it's a Fugo.
=>>If the government came forward and said, "It was a Fugo and
=>>here's the remains of it..." that doesn't prove anything. They could be
=>>faking it. The only way to settle it is to come out and say, "It was a
=>>UFO and here it is..." if that's what happened.
=>
=>>In my opinion, however, it was a UFO.
=> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
=>
=> Let me get this straight, if the government says it's a UFO,
=>then it MUST BE a UFO. If they say it's a Fugo, then they're LYING !!
It's easy to fabricate a story about a Fugo. The government has several
samples of them (and displays them occasionally). How many ET craft
have you seen in the Smithsonian? In other words, you'll *never* settle
the argument by providing evidence that it was a ballon bomb.
=>Bobby
(Say Hello to your brothers Peter and Greg for me)
=>**Now I understand.
Could you explain what my being at Oakland University in Rochester in Oakland
county, Michigan reveals to you? How old are you, Bobby? Just learning
to type?
=> bobby@virginia.edu (Internet)
=> bobby@virginia (BITNET)
Only *one* Bobby in all of Virginia? It's a good thing.
--
Dan Cogswell dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu
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From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: End of week.
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Goodmorning everybody it's the end of the week. I trust that
no one received any perminent damage from anything said this week.
Last night I made two shows with NASA. The first show I interviewed
two of the astronaunts that were on the June 5, 1991 flight, and the
second one was some information about the shuttle. When I do shows
with NASA I do them stright down the line with none of my wierd stuff
in it like next week I'll be looking into some eye witness reports of
unicorns in South America.
I'll leave you with this saying; As Dean Martin used to say at the end
of his TV program, keep those cards and letters coming in folks.
Standard Disclaimer.
John.
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From: jlb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (John Beaven)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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In article <1991Aug8.155535.20373@cadence.com>, jdm@cadence.com (Joe
Mastroianni) writes:
#
# Actually, my point is: Why would an advanced civilization regard our form
# of government as a vehicle to communicate or control the masses? When
# we take eggs from chickens, we don't bother to ask the "head rooster". We
# go right to the chickens. Its easier.
That's funny. I had assumed throughout this thread that your point was that
these alien civilization would look for some intelligent life to communicate
with, rather than talking to the US Govt.
John
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From: eherrera@zinfandel.metaphor.com (Eric Herrera)
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Subject: Rosewell incident
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Hello everyone, happy Friday...
could (will) somebody *please* send or post a list of books, articles,
etc. which address this Rosewell crash so frequently referred to here?
Thank you in advance...
Oh yeah... is this group primarily a "what do you think of this UFO/alien
thing" or do some of us claim sightings and/or abductions? Just curious...
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From: M14494@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell
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>What do *you* think happened at Roswell...?"
<lots of stuff deleted>
I think *nothing* happened at Roswell. I'll quote Carl Sagan, who said"
Remarkable claims require remarkable proofs". Damn straight. If you tell me
that there's a Chevy Nova parked outside, I'll probably believe you without
much proof because Novas aren't too remarkable, and the consequences of
believing it if it turns out to be untrue are very small. But if you tell
me the Earth is being visited by beings from another world, I'm going to
require good proof before I'll believe that beause it is very remarkable, and
the consequences of believing it if it's untrue are large. I'll also quote
a legal principle: Habeas Corpus. It means "you should have the body", and
is broadly interpreted to require proof before imprisoning someone. All the
"evidence" of extraterrestrial spacecraft is just talk; there a lots of
people who *say* they've seen one or even flown in one, who *say* that the
feds have a hanger full of them somewhere, who *say* they've held peices of
wrecked spaceships in their hand, but it's all just talk. There has never
been a systematic, scientific, public study of an ET or a ship, never so much
as one clear, unambiguous picture of one, never an interview with one on the
Carson show. Habeas Corpus, dudes! Maybe it's true that the place is thick
with Martians abducting folks, chopping up cows, and doodling in the winter
wheat in England. Maybe it's true that the Feds are covering the whole thing
up. But for me, I'm going to withhold my belief until I see some evidence
other than anecdotes and wishful thinking.
[Opinions expressed are my own, and not necessarily those of my employer]
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From: M14494@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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Hmmm..., let's see if I've got this right: Dead cow ==> Galactic
civilization, faster-than-light travel, and probably anti-gravity".
Yup, makes perfect sense to me. Where do I send my money?
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From: craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
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In article <1991Aug6.142130.3540@cadence.com>, jdm@cadence.com (Joe
Mastroianni) writes:
> In article <1991Aug5.190220.16288@auc.trw.com> etuggle@dora.UUCP
(Eddie Tuggle) writes:
> >Is Whitley Strieber generaly considered to be an athority, reliable?
I have read Communion
> >and found it quite interesting.
...
> I wouldn't personally consider Mr. Strieber to be an authority. He is
> simply the highest paid. Im not sure what "reliable" means. If it
> means, "should we believe what he says", then , certainly not.
...
> Joe
Personally, I've taken everything Strieber says or writes with a largish
grain of salt ever since I saw him interviewed CBS Nightwatch. He was
plugging one of his books (might have been _Communion_) and talking about
how his editor ran into a couple of the "little people" checking out his
latest volume in a New York City bookstore. Gimme a break!
Craig
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From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
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Subject: Answers #2
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In the past a person expressed a disire to know what book
he or she should read to know more about UFO's. It is my
opinion that a good one to read is Aliens Among us by Ruth
Montgomery. It is a paper back book and can be bought in most
stores. I would recommend all of Ruth Montgomery's book. A reader
of this group once sent E-mail to me and suggested that I read a
book by T. Lobsang Rampa. I agree with him because I have read
all of his books and have exchanged letters with him before.
I have communicated with person by the name of Spangler and I've
sent him one of my TV show tapes and they hope to play in on Austin,
Texas Cable TV. Don Showen and I will be on today, tuesday at 5:30 PM
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Subject: Answers #3
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As I was saying, Don Showen will be on with me by tape and he
will be using his meter to show how a person can be regressed back
into previous lives.
I'll leave you with this saying: A wife doesn' mind her husband's
claim that he can read a woman like a book, so long as he does his
reading at home.
Standard Disclaimer.
John.
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From: ctdonath@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl T. Donath)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
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Date: 6 Aug 91 22:52:00 GMT
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In article <860@carbon.crc.ac.uk> sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) writes:
>In article <Aug.4.17.31.19.1991.21862@porthos.rutgers.edu>, mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>>
>> ctdonath@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl T. Donath) writes:
>>
>> From time to time there were comments from aliens/spirits that
>> significant things would be happening soon; ... Has anyone
>> collected these "significant dates" so we can see how often
>> they are professed?
>>
>> ... a good question; but the search list for this will be very long.
>> UFO books and articles dating back at least to the 1950's include
>> references to "the truth" coming out "sometime soon". Sometimes this
>[stuff deleted]
>> Charles
>
>One problem you would have with this is how accurate are the writers
>of the books reporting what the witnesses actually state?
>
>In her book 'Abduction' Jenny Randles mentions, I believe, several
>times that witnesses stating that 'something' will happen in 1992. I
>know of at least one case where the witness states that they have
>never said anything special will happen in 1992. J.R. tends to be
>one of the more level headed authors, so if she can make a mistake
>what chance do you have if you (have to) rely on more sensationilist
>authors?????
>
>STEVE.
>
>
>--
>(Disclaimer: These are not my employer's opinions, they may not even be mine!)
>Steve Gamble, Computing Services,
>Clinical Research Centre, Watford Road, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 3UJ, UK.
>Phone: 081 869 3293 JANET: s.gamble@uk.ac.crc INTERNET: s.gamble@crc.ac.uk
Unfortunately, most of these "predictions" are open to interpretation.
However, some of them are quite specific (ex. the posting that aliens
will come to whisk willing earthlings off the planet 5 years from now, or
that WWIII was to happen in 1988). Can we get some specific examples
of these "fixed" ones?
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From: kevinc@hp-vcd.HP.COM (Kevin Cyrus)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Hanger 19 and Roswell incident
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>What happened to the people I was talking to about hanger 19 and the Roswell
>incident. Everything just went quiet. No posts, no responses, what in the
>hell is going on here. Someone Emailed me the first part of the radio
>interview in Las Vegas, but where is the rest of this account? Is any one
>getting this message? Am I the only one experiencing this or am I getting
>scenile.
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OOOOOOEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOooooooooo,
Freeze carbon based unit, you have been selected for termination.
Prepare to die Earth scum.
God, some of you guys really live in a closet. WAKE UP !! SMELL
the Neutonion scarploped !!!
Kc
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
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Date: 7 Aug 91 02:50:22 GMT
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craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
>Personally, I've taken everything Strieber says or writes with a largish
>grain of salt ever since I saw him interviewed CBS Nightwatch. He was
>plugging one of his books (might have been _Communion_) and talking about
>how his editor ran into a couple of the "little people" checking out his
>latest volume in a New York City bookstore. Gimme a break!
If this is your only objection to Strieber, I suggest you re-think
things (and read a bit more). He explains the episode you speak of in
_Transformation_ which is a sequel to _Communion_. What is it you
object to about the story he told?
Personally, I have two things to say about Strieber: (1) I don't
believe he's lying and (2) he's a *lot* smarter than your average
UFO-nut (or average person, for that matter). I'd like to see how *you*
handle the situation he's (apparently) been put into.
BTW, it's comments like yours that have led Strieber to label ufologists
"the cruellest, nastiest and craziest people I have ever encountered."
Do yourself a favor and read his three books (or just _Communion_)
before you criticize. He's spent a *little bit* more time thinking
about this than you, apparently.
>Craig
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From: galen@hoptoad.uucp (Galen Wolf)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Emotional food...
Keywords: "greys", food, gov't coverup
Message-ID: <20008@hoptoad.uucp>
Date: 7 Aug 91 03:33:13 GMT
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> The only scenario I have been able to come up with in which the alleged
> gov't coverup makes sense, is that the emotional turmoil that would
> result from acknowledging alien visitations would have a very negative
> effect on us all.
How about, if
it were to have a very negative impact on their power over us?
(THEIR = Govt)
> seems to be going along with this coverup. How did the U.S convince
> these nations to go along? What evidence did they present them, and
> what possible arguments could they have used?
government is government, worldwide.
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: neophyte ET-freak needs help
Message-ID: <jms.5641@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 6 Aug 91 03:29:49 GMT
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In article <1991Aug2.162015.54744@eagle.wesleyan.edu> tmockler@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>I've just started reading this newsgroup, and I think I should really pursue my
>interest in exterrestrial/UFO stuff... Any suggestions for readings on the
>subject would be appreciated. Thanks -Todd
Books that have made a big impression on me so far include:
"Above Top Secret" by Tim Good
"Night Seige" by J. Allen Hynek, Phil Imbrogno, and Bob Pratt
"Intruders" by Budd Hopkins
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: needles, implants, tissue samples
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Date: 6 Aug 91 03:37:26 GMT
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In article <9851@awdprime.UUCP> craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
>I'm familiar with abductee claims about having needles stuck into their
>brain and/or having small BB-like implants; what I'm curious about is
>has anyone who claims to have gone through this submitted to a CAT scan
>or exploratory surgery to verify this? Or has any abductee ever died and
>had a thorough autopsy done? Would be interested in the findings.
Whitley Strieber has had some sort of scan done and some sort of objects
appeared on it. I don't know if any abductees have died yet, but it would
be extremely interesting to check for implants when they do. (Unless the
aliens dematerialize them or something.) I haven't heard about any
exploratory surgery either. Some sources (Cooper et. al.) say that the
implants are located such that it would be extremely difficult to get to
them.
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From: revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Answers to questains.
Message-ID: <BTia73w164w@cellar.UUCP>
Date: 7 Aug 91 03:42:22 GMT
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JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
> Goodmorning everyone. It might be best if I answer a few questains
> that has been put forth before going further. Someone ask what is a
> space tape? A space tape is an audio recording on a message from a
> space person. In the case of the ones I was talking about
> it was from beings that are on a higher vibrational frequency than us and
> not is the physical form.
> I must go but will leave you with this saying; May you live all the
> days of your life.
> Standard Disclaimer.
> John.
Well, then, I guess he used an analog recorder working at a VERY high
inches-per-second rate. . .
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From: eherrera@zinfandel.metaphor.com (Eric Herrera)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Lurker's 1st posting
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Date: 7 Aug 91 06:20:38 GMT
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Hello people... I'm a new Usenetter and this is my very first posting
(I'm so excited...). I just thought I'd say that I find the discussions
in this news group very interesting. I've been reading the a.a.v postings
for about a week now, and I'm sure that I will continue to. For what it's
worth, I've read _Communion_ and found it to be *very* unsettling. Ok, all
done... going back to Lurkland...
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From: revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answers #2
Message-ID: <mJka78w164w@cellar.UUCP>
Date: 7 Aug 91 04:19:45 GMT
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JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
> In the past a person expressed a disire to know what book
> he or she should read to know more about UFO's. It is my
> opinion that a good one to read is Aliens Among us by Ruth
> Montgomery. It is a paper back book and can be bought in most
> stores. I would recommend all of Ruth Montgomery's book. A reader
> of this group once sent E-mail to me and suggested that I read a
> book by T. Lobsang Rampa. I agree with him because I have read
> all of his books and have exchanged letters with him before.
> I have communicated with person by the name of Spangler and I've
> sent him one of my TV show tapes and they hope to play in on Austin,
> Texas Cable TV. Don Showen and I will be on today, tuesday at 5:30 PM
T. Lobsang Rampa? Wasn't he that Englishman who claimed to be a
Tibetan holy man? Once wrote that "Einstein, and people like Einstein, said
that the earth was flat?" That Lobsang Rampa?
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From: asiivo@ujocs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug6.120038.17853@ujocs.joensuu.fi>
Date: 6 Aug 91 12:00:38 GMT
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k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh Vander Berg) writes:
>In article <91191.083839JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>In my opinion one of the reasons why science has a hard time finding
>>the missing link and how man evolved on earth is that man is not
>>native of this planet but was brought or came here from other planets
>Nice theory, too bad it totally ignores scientific fact. If man was
>brought here from another planet, why the heck does he share 99% of his
>genome with chimps? Answer: He EVOLVED from monkeys. The reason they
>can't find any missing link is because things that lived millions of years
>ago are generally pretty damned hard to find evidence of nowadays. I
>suppose though that you will just argue that whoever put humans here
>genetically engineered us to be very similar to apes. Further and further
>into fantasy we tread....
The reason why the missing links are so hard to find is that there are
no such links at all. A lot of skeletons of apes and people have been
found, but no 'links' between them, we must come to a conclusion that,
simply, there are no such links.
Andreas
found, but whe
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From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: saucer symbols references
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.134131.17818@vicorp.com>
Date: 7 Aug 91 13:41:31 GMT
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Does anyone know of any resources which contain pictures or descriptions
of any symbols purported to be seen inside UFOs or on UFO retrieved
material? For instance, the symbols said to be have seen inside the
Roswell saucer.
--Mark
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From: craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <9962@awdprime.UUCP>
Date: 7 Aug 91 12:39:53 GMT
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In article <8753@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu
(Dan Cogswell) writes:
> craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
>
> >Personally, I've taken everything Strieber says or writes with a largish
> >grain of salt ever since I saw him interviewed CBS Nightwatch. He was
> >plugging one of his books (might have been _Communion_) and talking about
> >how his editor ran into a couple of the "little people" checking out his
> >latest volume in a New York City bookstore. Gimme a break!
>
> If this is your only objection to Strieber, I suggest you re-think
> things (and read a bit more). He explains the episode you speak of in
> _Transformation_ which is a sequel to _Communion_. What is it you
> object to about the story he told?
Well, quite frankly, I hadn't seen Charlie Rhodes (the interviewer) so
close to tears of laughter since he interviewed P.J. O'Rourke.
> Personally, I have two things to say about Strieber: (1) I don't
> believe he's lying and (2) he's a *lot* smarter than your average
> UFO-nut (or average person, for that matter). I'd like to see how *you*
> handle the situation he's (apparently) been put into.
Quite frankly, if I woke up in the middle of the night and found one of
those little gray suckers leaning over me, I'd probably have a heart attack
and die.
> BTW, it's comments like yours that have led Strieber to label ufologists
> "the cruellest, nastiest and craziest people I have ever encountered."
My heart bleeds...I'm not a "ufologist" (whatever that is)...I'm just
interested in the truth...this UFO stuff is an interesting phenomena...
have you ever read anything by Carl Jung?
> Do yourself a favor and read his three books (or just _Communion_)
> before you criticize. He's spent a *little bit* more time thinking
> about this than you, apparently.
You got yourself a deal. Soon as the library gets them back in, I'll read
them (I flatly refuse to *pay money* for them! :-)
> --
> Dan Cogswell dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu
> Mostly H20 and whatever pizza and Diet Pepsi digest into
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From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Gnones and things.
Message-ID: <91219.073242JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Date: 7 Aug 91 15:32:42 GMT
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In a posting on Aug. 3, l991 there was a posting by Shawn
Beltz that I believe was really good. He really had something to
say and said it. It had to go with religion, gnomes and a few more
things. In regards to this please let me tell your about a incident
that was talked about among people who believe in Flying Saucers.
Quite a few years back there was a earth person who was given a
ride aboard a scout craft and was then taken to a mother ship. He
started talking to the space person in English and remarked that he
was surprised that the space person could talk in his language. The
SP then told him that they had been observing the earth for many
thousands of year and they had been written up in many of our holy
book. He also stated that they were the pillar of cloud by day and
pillar of fire by night that went with the children of Israel, they
opened the Red Sea and knock down the walls of Jericho. The local pepople
due the fact that the space people were so advanced thought they were
Gods. They didn't discourage this because they did the will of the
creator.
That's all for now I'll leave you with this this thought; A person who
does't stand for something, will fall for anything.
Standard Disclaimer.
John.
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From: M14494@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.125233.6926@linus.mitre.org>
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Absence of proof is not proof of absence. What evidence do you have to
support your conclusion?
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From: k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh Vander Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.152430.17799@hobbes.kzoo.edu>
Date: 7 Aug 91 15:24:30 GMT
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In article <1991Aug6.120038.17853@ujocs.joensuu.fi> asiivo@ujocs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen) writes:
>k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh Vander Berg) writes:
>
>>In article <91191.083839JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>>In my opinion one of the reasons why science has a hard time finding
>>>the missing link and how man evolved on earth is that man is not
>>>native of this planet but was brought or came here from other planets
>
>>Nice theory, too bad it totally ignores scientific fact. If man was
>>brought here from another planet, why the heck does he share 99% of his
>>genome with chimps? Answer: He EVOLVED from monkeys. The reason they
>>can't find any missing link is because things that lived millions of years
>>ago are generally pretty damned hard to find evidence of nowadays. I
>>suppose though that you will just argue that whoever put humans here
>>genetically engineered us to be very similar to apes. Further and further
>>into fantasy we tread....
>
> The reason why the missing links are so hard to find is that there are
> no such links at all. A lot of skeletons of apes and people have been
> found, but no 'links' between them, we must come to a conclusion that,
> simply, there are no such links.
>
> Andreas
>
Strange, I am aware of many skeletons having been found which were definitely
non-human and non-ape, but primates. But then again, I guess all of the
paleontologists(sp?) are wrong, and you are right. I believe that the
missing link refers to a link between our proto-human ancestors and "apes".
To often people use the "missing link" to totally discount evolution. This
is wrong, looking at one gap in the fossil record does not disprove the
large body of fossil evidence which shows human's evolution from lower
primates.
Also, this attitude "the reason we have never found it is because it does
not exist" I find to be totally repugnant. By this logic, the reason we
have never seen an atom is because they don't exist, the reason we have
never seen an electron is because it doesn't exist.
This viewpoint, aside from being incredible narrow minded,
ignores the fact that the existence of these things can be infered from
other directly observable evidence. We know there are electrons because we
observe phenomenon which can only by explained by the invention of an
electron "model". We also know that the missing link must somehow exist,
and can infer quite alot about what the missing link must be like because of
the body of fossil evidence surrounding this "gap".
--
Josh Vander Berg (k080093@kzoo.edu)
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From: beddow@ux.acs.umn.edu (Jeff Beddow)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: whitley Strieber/reliability
Summary: grain of salt
Message-ID: <beddow.681580090@ux.acs.umn.edu>
Date: 7 Aug 91 15:48:10 GMT
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It must be remembered that Strieber is a very good science fiction writer. He wrote the book and I believe the screenplay for "Wolfen." While this makes him an eloquent teller of his tale, it also opens up alternate interpretations of his motives...It seems unlikely, but possible, that this is a post-modern version of the Mercury Radio Theater War of the the Worlds?
If I get chased by some ugly little shits with galactic army knives for posting this I will let you know.
-Jeff
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From: ercn67@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answers #2
Message-ID: <12118@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 7 Aug 91 16:36:35 GMT
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JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> A reader
>of this group once sent E-mail to me and suggested that I read a
>book by T. Lobsang Rampa. I agree with him because I have read
>all of his books and have exchanged letters with him before.
T.Lobsang Rampa? The guy with the Third Eye? Mystical Tibetan churches etc?
Didn't I once read somewhere that he was in fact an English accountant
with a fertile imagination? Anyone know the scoop?
-- A Friend of Fernando Poo
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From: francis@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Francis the Mad)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.163222.19609@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: 7 Aug 91 16:32:22 GMT
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In article <2172@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>, p515dfi@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) writes:
> Rockwell International and NASA were planning a *massive*
> joint exhibition of space exploration this year (1991) but it was delayed
> inexplicably until 1992. In the *official* prospectus for this exhibition,
Sounds like the "The World Will End Tomorrow!" people.
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From: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Lastest on the UK Crop Circles
Message-ID: <1991Aug07.153837.24998@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>
Date: 7 Aug 91 15:38:37 GMT
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Excitement today because there is a formation very near Chequers,
the Prime Ministerial residence in Bucks. This quincunx has a triangle
in place of one satellite, and it is rumoured that this points towards
Chequers. I have only just received this news so as yet have not visited
the site . I will update as soon as possible .
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From: mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <Aug.7.11.15.31.1991.26222@porthos.rutgers.edu>
Date: 7 Aug 91 15:15:32 GMT
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To: etuggle@dora.UUCP
etuggle@dora.UUCP (Eddie Tuggle) write:
Is Whitley Strieber generaly considered to be an athority,
reliable?
... he's certainly an interesting fellow. Along with "Communion", and
"Transformation" (his UFO-related books), he's also written horror
novels - "The Wolfen", "The Hunger", and most recently "The Wild".
As far as I know, he hasn't become one of the UFO-genre "stars" (as
dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) noted, he thinks most
UFO-interested-folk are rude and self-obsessed -- and he's probably
right -- except for everyone who reads this, of course :-).
Hope this helps,
Charles
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From: mcripps@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (michael.j.cripps)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Great Pyramid part 4
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.191630.17704@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Date: 7 Aug 91 19:16:30 GMT
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In article <91206.162505JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
> The entrance way was located exactly 534 feet above the base
> on the north side and constructed in such a manner that the light of
> your pole star would forever shine down the entire length of its 324
> foot corridor to the subterranean chambers. A feat, my brothers, none
> of your more infant races could possible have engineered. This is also
> the direction of your true magnetic north pole. The reason, this was
> constructed so, was to keep the pole star centered, and thus alleviate
> any further axial excursions of your planet.
I guess you failed big time, since the "pole star" is constantly shifting
(albeit slowly) due to the precession of the earth's axis.
> Two hundred forty-three feet below the base rests machines your
> scientists would forever marvel upon.
Did you by any chance just finish watching _Total_Recall_?
> You will notice, my brothers, that of all figures I have mentioned,
> they are all mutiples of the numeral "nine." The reason for this being
> that nine is the key to the mathematical science dealing with magnetics.
Come on, all enlightened beings in the universe know that 23 is the real key...
Er, has anyone ever done a study on the health effects of linear
accelarators on the local employees? I ask merely for information...
Mike Cripps
mcripps@sodium.att.com
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From: mcripps@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (michael.j.cripps)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: t'would make an unusual trophy...
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.185823.16883@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Date: 7 Aug 91 18:58:23 GMT
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> In article <1615@faatcrl.UUCP>, cciolori@faatcrl.UUCP (cciolori) writes:
>
> Yes, I shot one last week. It was a little four foot tall green alien
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> with pointed ears. But I didn't use a rifle or a handgun. I used a laser
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> pistol that I got from planet PC22.
You shot a leprechaun??? Not sure, but that's *gotta* cause some awfully
bad luck :-)
Mike Cripps
mcripps@sodium.att.com
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From: IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Xanadian)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <91219.124511IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Date: 7 Aug 91 16:45:11 GMT
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I heard one date by this crazy bunch of people on alt.slack: 1998.
Normally, I would've shrugged this off and forgot about it.
Now I am not so sure....
I believe that the story goes -- the X-ists are supposed to come
down and take all of the 'slackful' people into space as Earth
destroys itself. Strangely enough, I wrote a book in 1989 where a
group of fifty people leave Earth in their own spaceship during
the year 1998. And they were called Xanadians (hence, my nickname.)
The dates and the use of the letter X is uncanny. Maybe just coincidence...
But I am not so sure....
Anyway... life goes on.
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From: mcripps@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (michael.j.cripps)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Great Pyramid part 4
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.200127.18967@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Date: 7 Aug 91 20:01:27 GMT
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In article <1572@gtx.com>, al@gtx.com (Alan Filipski) writes:
> 534 is not a multiple of 9. But, even if it were, are we to believe that
> the units "feet" and "miles" were in use at the time
> of the construction of the pyramids?
Of course! It's all clear to me now. See, "feet" and "miles" *are* the
alien unit of measure. This explains why the U.S. refuses to switch to
metric, since all of the secret alien technology the US Govt has uses
"english" nuts and bolts. The U.S. is just waiting for the aliens to
publicly arrive in 1992, so they can thumb their noses at the rest of
the metric world. It also gives the US a big jump on implementing the
new alien technology in consumer goods (at last, we can beat Japan!) since
we won't have to re-tool.
It also explains why the alien ships like to crash in the US. It's the
only place on earth they can get spare parts.
:-) included for the obtuse...
Mike Cripps
mcripps@sodium.att.com
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From: sara@nstar.rn.com (Sara Gordon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: authors, addresses and no replies
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Prominent authors re UFO abductions invite people to write to them and give
their experiences. Not only is it difficult to admit to the experience in
the -first- place, to put in in writing and give your address is another big
jump. You'd think they could acknowledge your communique, rather than let
you assume that the 'government who is here to HELP you' has intercepted
your mail, eh? Especially when you enclose a SSE.
*hint--letters go unacknowledged, even when you have a lot of what would
appear to be interesting data. Makes one wonder why they include their
address. How many people can be writing detailed accounts of alien tracking,
and enclose SSE for acknowledgement?
--
Sara Gordon
Northern Star 8 line BBS
219-289-0287/317-251-7391
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-= newsfeeds available, contact robert@towers.rn.com =-
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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: new reader
Summary: howdy
Keywords: hello
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Date: 7 Aug 91 21:15:52 GMT
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I have read a bit of the posts to this group with a mix of humor and
sadness.
In any dealing with UFO's as a possible scientific study, one runs into
enough fraud-mongering hoax artists to render doing so virtually impossible.
Then all the nay-sayers get up and point fingers saying, "you see? it's all
bullshit!"
I had never really put a lot of stock into the "little green men" thing.
A great number of UFO reports are easily debunked...but, there are those
few percent that even the best USAF bullshitters couldn't explain.
Recently, I read the new book on the Roswell incident. The authors
have done a very credible job, IMHO, of writing this book with a
minimum (like, virtually NONE) of the so-called "new age" hype, the
psychic connections hype, or other assorted hokey-isms. They stayed
very much with the facts as they were able to determine them. I feel
like they made a convincing case that whatever crashed out there was NO
weather balloon, or target balloon or ANY balloon. I am not really sure
what to think about all of it - in the upbringing I had complete
with Christian beliefs (many of which I find fairly bogus) there really
wasn't anything that would prepare a person to think about people
from other worlds.
After studying Sagan and Shklovski's (spelling?) book "Intelligent Life
in the Universe", I had to agree that the odds of there being other
critters than us are pretty good, even if such worlds might be few and
far between.
So here's a question thrown open to everyone who reads/posts to this
group, a multi part question really -
What do YOU think happened at Roswell and do you think there may indeed
be other worlds with a form of life at *least* as intelligent as our own?
Please try to be serious about this - the way the question is worded
is NOT intended to be biased in any way.
Duane
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From: IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Xanadian)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: SURVEY #2... Continue if you have done survey 1.
Message-ID: <91219.145938IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Date: 7 Aug 91 18:59:38 GMT
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IF YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETED SURVEY #1, PLEASE LEAVE THIS ARTICLE AND
DO SURVEY #1.
19. Name 5 of your favorite movies.
19a. Name your most favorite RECENT movie.
20. What political party (if any) do you belong to?
21. Name 5 _modern_ tunes (if any) (since 1988) that you like.
(followup to #5.)
22. Do you belong to any clubs/organizations?
22a. If YES, then name no more than five of them.
23. Y/N/M Do you think, or, do you consider yourself creative? (*) How?
(clarify a Maybe)
24. Name your favorite _type_ or style of music, if any. If more than
one, name them.
25. Name your favorite form(s) of entertainment.
25a. What type of movie/TV show do you prefer the most? Comedy? Drama? Etc.
26* Assume you are on a planet with no name (followup to number 9). What
name would you give it--
26a* ...if it was a desert planet?
26b* ...if it was a tropical planet?
26c* ...if it was a frozen planet?
26d* ...if it were just like Earth (except there are no people but you and
some others..no pollution, roads, buildings, etc.)?
26e* If a new civilization was to be established here, what would you do
to help it along? Or, rather, what part(s), if any, would you take
in the starting of this community?
27. Do you or have you ever held a position of leadership to any degree?
(have you ever led people)
28. What games do you like to play, if any?
29. Followup to number 8: If this person promoted over you was of EQUAL
competence and ability as you, would you be upset?
29a* If this person was of another sex or race? (remember that a * means
the question is optional!)
30* Truly one of the most debated moral(?) dilemmas in history-- What do
you think about abortion? (remember the *)
This is it. I doubt that there are any other questions so far...
Just as a sneak preview...
The results of the first survey are somewhat like this...
1. Most people don't consider themselves leaders.
2. Most people aren't satisfied with their government. (what news!)
3. Most people don't believe in God, and most don't believe in a soul of
some kind.
4. Most people consider themselves in fairly good shape.
5. Most people have a diversifying range of likes in music... and there
has only been three pop songs (top 40) out of hundreds recorded!!!
6. Most people believe that there are intelligent beings in space (not
of this planet, that is)
7. Most people know what xanadu is, and most have quoted the poem as
the source. About 20% have noted a song by Rush, which is news to me,
as well as it being some kind of heaven (another 20%).
8. Most people would only be bothered by being promoted over if they were
more qualified than the person promoted.
9. UNANIMOUSLY would people be willing to travel in space!
9a. Most people would like to inhabit another planet
9b. Most people would want to see a democratic form of government.
9c. Most people would NOT want to be a leader in this government (ie President
or something like that.)
10. Most people surveyed are around the age of 25.
11. Single and married are tied for most common. No divorced yet.
12. Most people hold jobs as software engineers.
13. Most people are not superstitious (almost unanimously)
14. Most people do not believe in ghosts (spooks).
15. Most people are able to vote and most do.
16. Most people do nothing about the political shnook.
17. The favorite year so far was 1991. There was one who liked 1917.
18. Most people thought that a sequel is not as good as the first.
....except for Terminator 2.
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From: cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answers #2
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.223224.3368@aifh.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 7 Aug 91 22:32:24 GMT
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In article <12118@castle.ed.ac.uk> ercn67@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>T.Lobsang Rampa? The guy with the Third Eye? Mystical Tibetan churches etc?
>Didn't I once read somewhere that he was in fact an English accountant
>with a fertile imagination? Anyone know the scoop?
I thought an English plumber. When challenged he explained the Lobsang
stuff as being memories of other lives.
--
Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aipna +44 (0)31 667 1011 x2550
Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205
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From: cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.223917.3541@aifh.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 7 Aug 91 22:39:17 GMT
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In article <1991Aug6.120038.17853@ujocs.joensuu.fi> asiivo@ujocs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen) writes:
>The reason why the missing links are so hard to find is that there are
>no such links at all. A lot of skeletons of apes and people have been
>found, but no 'links' between them, we must come to a conclusion that,
>simply, there are no such links.
You are wrong. As far as precursors of modern man are concerned, very
few have been found. The total number of bones found would not even
cover the floor of a large room. The same goes for ape precursors. Hence
it is hardly surprising that we have not yet found specimens of the much
smaller population of "missing links". We are not yet even sure what
part of the world to look for them in.
--
Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aipna +44 (0)31 667 1011 x2550
Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205
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From: dreyer@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Jonathan Dreyer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Gnones and things.
Message-ID: <dreyer.681609272@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu>
Date: 7 Aug 91 23:54:32 GMT
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I think BIFF has finally been revealed!
Jonathan Dreyer, M.S. (415)750-2179 (work) 788-8845 (home)
Dept Veterans Affairs Med Center
4150 Clement Street
San Francisco CA 94121 USA Internet: dreyer@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu
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From: kevinc@hp-vcd.HP.COM (Kevin Cyrus)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Lurker's 1st posting
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>/ hp-vcd:alt.alien.visitors / eherrera@zinfandel.metaphor.com (Eric Herrera) / 11:20 pm Aug 6, 1991 /
> I just thought I'd say that I find the discussions
> in this news group very interesting.
Hmmmmmmm,....this guy almost sounds like he could be annnn.....hmmmmmm.
> I've been reading the a.a.v postings for about a week now,
> and I will continue to do so.
I'll bet this guy/? really is an Alien.
> For what it's worth, I've read _Comminion_ and found it to be *very*
unsettling.
Now I KNOW he's an Alien !!
_______________
Just kidding, I too am kinda new to the group. The subject matter
at first seemed very intriging. But alas, it never failed, every time
a good base note came up that had promise for good factual discussion; it
would quickly degenerate to a mere pile of intergalactic poo poo. IMHO,
this group could stand alot more factual clarifications and scientific
study references. The *Top Secret* or *mystic* overtones included in some
of the base notes just comes across as hypoholical pomposity. Just
currious,.... do any of you guys write for the Enquirer ?
Sorry to sound so negative, but I feel this group has more
actual scientific potential than what it's been plagued with so far,
i.e. *Tour of the Galaxy* ???? Stop Poking People In The Butt.
and lets see some worthwhile discussions.
______________________________________________________________________
| Kevin Cyrus And thats the trouble with Aliens, |
| Hewlett Packard you just don't know. Oh sure sometimes |
| Vancouver Wa. you meet a nice one; Star Man, E.T. |
| But most of the time, they just turn |
| out to be just some big lizard. |
|________________________________________________________G.BstersII__|
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From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Gnones and things.
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.215341.6952@bony1.bony.com>
Date: 7 Aug 91 21:53:41 GMT
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In article <91219.073242JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> That's all for now I'll leave you with this this thought; A person who
>does't stand for something, will fall for anything.
I thought this was sci.skeptic.
I didn't realize it had become rec.music.country.western! =8^)
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From: kevinq@ingres.com (Kevin Quinn)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answers to questains.
Message-ID: <1991Aug7.182425.22205@pony.Ingres.COM>
Date: 7 Aug 91 18:24:25 GMT
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In article <91218.074352JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
>Someone ask what is a
>space tape? A space tape is an audio recording on a message from a
>space person. In the case of the ones I was talking about
>it was from beings that are on a higher vibrational frequency than us and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Huh? Can you spell tautology,
John?
Now come on and admit it - your address is a fake. Your ramblings,
misspellings, and naivete indicate, perhaps, a high school freshman -
_not_ someone in a institute of 'higher' learning! But then, we're
talking Stanford here... hmmmm.....
kbq
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ai-trad
Message-ID: <jms.5679@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 7 Aug 91 03:57:30 GMT
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Thanks for cross-posting that, Mike. I haven't had a chance to call
Paranet recently.
--
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | "Let's become
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again."
37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms |
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From: urbanf@tuura.UUCP (Urban Fredriksson)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: SURVEY #2... Continue if you have done survey 1.
Message-ID: <1320@tuura.UUCP>
Date: 8 Aug 91 05:27:14 GMT
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IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Xanadian) writes:
>21. Name 5 _modern_ tunes (if any) (since 1988) that you like.
To me, modern music started _at_least_ in the 1950's!
>26* Assume you are on a planet with no name (followup to number 9). What
> name would you give it--
>26a* ...if it was a desert planet?
>26b* ...if it was a tropical planet?
>26c* ...if it was a frozen planet?
You must have read too much Flash Gordon and seen too many
Star Wars movies. Never occured to you that most inhabitable
planets would be _all_ of the above, at the same time?
--
Urban Fredriksson, Stockholm, Sweden (who speaks ONLY for himself!)
"We are all naked under our clothes."
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From: bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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stephens@ipc1.lat.oz.au (Philip J Stephens) writes:
> In article <773@rc6.urc.tue.nl> wsadjw@urc.tue.nl writes:
> >In article <1991Aug5.084242.3359@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se writes
> >>But there is also a lot of evidence which does not fit the
> >>evolution theory.
> >
> >Such as?
>
> Well, try giving a convincing set of transitionary forms from the reptile
> lung to the avian lung for starters. And how about a convincing set of
> forms from the reptile scales to the avian feather.
> Actually, why don't you just give us all the necessary transitionary
> forms from every "known ancestor" to every species today. That would be
> convincing enough for me.
> And whilst you're at it, throw in an explanation for why the percentage
> difference between the DNA of a given reptile and *all* mammals is the same,
> regardless of the fact that different mammals should evolve at different
> rates.
> Finally, give us the latest estimate on how probable it was for the first
> replicating molecule to evolve in a single step.
>
Well, for how life started on Earth, there are two possibilities. The
arbitrarily chosen first possibility is pretty interesting, but probably
absurd to even the truest of true Visitor believers. Consider this: (perhaps
this should be in alt.paranormal) Poltergeists are believed to be physical
manifestations of intense emotions of the persom with whom the poltergeist
is associated. If emotions can produce this much of an effect, moving
objects, starting fires, and such, then it would follow that emotions could
probably be a pretty powerful creative force. Well, there is a Tibetan (I
think it's Tibetan) tribe that uses a ritual that allows them to create
things through concentration.
Now, if we go with the belief that emotions are a creative force, then
perhaps SOMEONE out there would create life simply to produce this creative
force, or "loosh" (I'll put my source at the end). Now, it is also perhaps
possible that this "loosh" is released through any form of conflict, death,
etc, where in plants it is converted from raw solar energy and IS the very
structure of the plant itself. Now, through death, conflict, and such, the
"loosh" produced would be crude, and necessarily refined in order to be of
any use. (Dead plants don't move furniture.) As more predators, and levels
in the food web were produced, more "loosh" was released. Until one day,
when this "someone" happened to notice a small amount of the refined "loosh"
mixed with the unrefined. This individual went to his "garden" and saw one
of its "creations" was LONELY. So this individual proceded to split every
entity in half, creating male and female, and placed a small part of itself
within every one, so that the desire for union both with its other half and
its creator would release refined "loosh".
Sounds kind of like Genesis, doesn't it? Anyway, my source for that was a
"brochure" printed in Far Journeys by Robert Monroe.
Now, perhaps the tenders of this "garden", and the effectors of the
genetic changes, were the "visitors" which are so popular... just maybe...
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Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni) writes:
> I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
> multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
> with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
>
[lines deleted]
It makes perfect sense, when you consider that perhaps they are attempting
to "ready" our society for the shock of finding out we're NOT alone.
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From: bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
> In article <1991Aug6.001828.26671@latcs1.lat.oz.au> stephens@ipc1.lat.oz.au (
> >In article <773@rc6.urc.tue.nl> wsadjw@urc.tue.nl writes:
> >>In article <1991Aug5.084242.3359@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se write
> >>>But there is also a lot of evidence which does not fit the
> >>>evolution theory.
>
> >>Such as?
>
> > Well, try giving a convincing set of transitionary forms from the reptile
> >lung to the avian lung for starters. And how about a convincing set of
> >forms from the reptile scales to the avian feather.
>
> This request is a waste of net bandwidth. You can easily find this kind
> of stuff in modern popular evolutionary works, such as the writings of
> Gould and Dawkins.
>
> > Actually, why don't you just give us all the necessary transitionary
> >forms from every "known ancestor" to every species today. That would be
> >convincing enough for me.
>
> Ho ho, killing sarcasm. What do you want before you decide to marry -- a
> comparative biography of every living woman?
>
> > And whilst you're at it, throw in an explanation for why the percentage
> >difference between the DNA of a given reptile and *all* mammals is the same,
> >regardless of the fact that different mammals should evolve at different
> >rates.
>
> Why don't you try *learning* a little? The answer is well known: almost
> all DNA is idle, and does not contribute to the expressed genotype. The
> measurement of difference is the measurement of the background rate of
> mutation in the idle DNA, and has been well established by many
> experiments to run at a constant rate. That's the experimental basis on
> which genetic clocking depends.
>
> > Finally, give us the latest estimate on how probable it was for the first
> >replicating molecule to evolve in a single step.
>
> Since nobody thinks this happened, what is your interest in knowing the
> probability?
>
[lines deleted]
Actually, I don't know how a self replicating molecule could evolve in
MULTIPLE steps, because I would assume that evolution requires some form of
replication.
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From: christ@cie.uoregon.edu (Christian G. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Summary: """"BOB ATE MY BABY!""""
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The Xanadian types:
>
> I believe that the story goes -- the X-ists are supposed to come
>down and take all of the 'slackful' people into space as Earth
>destroys itself. Strangely enough, I wrote a book in 1989 where a
>group of fifty people leave Earth in their own spaceship during
>the year 1998. And they were called Xanadians (hence, my nickname.)
1998 pops up in alot of places, the least credible of which is the BOB
movement. Their book, the "Book of BOB", is a joke. Literally. I don't know
how much you know about them, but the religion itself is a spoof on religions:
the main goal is to break away from the church and start your own. =)
While a clever and often humorous bit of fiction, it shouldn't be confused
with an honest-ta-goodness RELIGION (i.e. having mystical insight into the
future through divine/extraterrestrial intervention). It's only good for a
good yuk now and then, and more importantly to keep yourself from being too
serious.
Oh yeah, and it's also great for stencil-spraying BOB's face on cop cars
downtown. =)
"In '98 we _ALL_ rotate..." - INXS
Colored lights can hypnotize,
'00j27>Possum_Dark
christ@cie.uoregon.edu
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From: JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu (Joe Cool)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Movie "Communion"
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I just finished watching the above mentioned movie before coming into work
tonite.....good movie.
I have my own beliefs of what is and what isn't, and although I've never seen
any aliens, I don't rule them out as existing....I've never seen an honest poli
tician, but I don't rule them out of existeince either....maybe on the extinct
list, but that's another item of discussion.
Anyhow, the movie makes a person think, and it is realistic as far as how
the main character (Strieber is the guys name...also author of the book)
deals with the situation. I'm not going to tell how he dealt with it, that
would ruin the purpose of the movie/book, but I do advise anyone who is
interested in UFO's, be they a skeptic or a believer, to read the book or
see the movie.
This movie is one where you have to pay attention to everything that is
said or you miss a point that comes in later on. It is not a boring
documentary or just a list of encouters...it's more on the "here's my story
take it or leave it" level.
I liked it. For those of you who have SHOWTIME (the pay channel), it is
showing this month at different times, and I also heard that it is available
on video at most video rental stores.
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From: eherrera@zinfandel.metaphor.com (Eric Herrera)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Reading material
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Over the last few days some posters have recommended reading material on
the subject of this group. Specifically mentioned were the Streiber books
(with which I am already familiar), something called _Aliens Among Us_
(I think) and a few others. I would appreciate someone sending me a
*short* bibliography -- I'd particularly like the info on _Aliens..._
and a few other "must reads."
One question... I presume that we are all familiar with the plain of
Nazca in Peru (big ground etchings of monkeys, hummingbirds, spiders and
other things discernable only from a pretty good altitude, and supposedly
quite old)... any theories, debunks, etc.? Is this a FAQ?
Thank you so very much...
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From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: needles, implants, tissue samples
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Date: 8 Aug 91 10:48:59 GMT
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In article <jms.5643@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> In article <9851@awdprime.UUCP> craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
> >I'm familiar with abductee claims about having needles stuck into their
> >brain and/or having small BB-like implants; what I'm curious about is
>
> Whitley Strieber has had some sort of scan done and some sort of objects
> appeared on it. I don't know if any abductees have died yet, but it would
[stuff deleted]
As I understand it a couple of bright spots were found on Whitley's CAT
scan. Speaking to people who know more about CAT scans than I, I believe
that these Anomolous Bright Objects are seen in a proportion (the figure
5%, if I recall correctly) of otherwise normal brains. As usual care
should be exercised in interperating the data. These are just bright spots
which show up on the CAT scan, there is no evidence of them being
implants or anythingelse. I am not aware that Whitley himself has made
any claims about these spots.
We could now enter the field of speculation! If the bright spots DID
turn out to implants this might suggest that up to 1 in 20 people were
abductees (i.e. 5%). At a recent conference I heard the quote that
'many more people than we thought, maybe 1 in 40 of the population have
been abducted'. (I cannot remember who told me this otherwise I would
point the finger :) ) The 'classic' picture is that humans are abducted
by extraterrestrials in flying saucers. If we then try to apply a little
bit of logic to this using the lower 'estimate' of 1 in 40 :-
If we take the U.S. population as being 250 million
and abductions occuring for the last 40 years this
would suggest
6,250,000 people had been abducted in the U.S.
which is 156,250 per year or
428 per day !
Remember that would be for the U.S. alone on
the basis of the 1 in 40 people I was quoted
That is without anythingelse 'they' might get
up to like cattle mutilations. No doubt NASA
would be pleased with 10% of the budget these
guys would have!!!!!
What I am trying to convey is that we should try to think through
carefully the implications of things like '1 in 40 people have been
abducted' and urge further caution in assigning abduction to ET's.
Having urged caution, some further observation/speculation!
Thinking about abductee case reports I have read there might be a
kind of consistency with some form of controlling implant. In
Streibers case the 'visitors' came just as he was falling asleep.
In the Communion film they seem to insert a needle somewhere behind
his ear. It could be argued that an implant inserted here could be
placed in brain stem centres which there is some evidence are involved
in sleep. Likewise in Cathy Davies case (from Budd Hopkins book Intruders)
she seems to be abducted when gets the compulsion to visit the local
late night store to buy Coke or snacks. She describes implants inserted
up her nose. Would such an implant be placed in hypothalamic centres
which control feeding behaviour? In Ed Walters case (Gulf Breeze) he
describes hearing a loud buzzing noise just before the UFO's appear. He
also describes having an implant inserted in his temple. I believe
that around this area of the brain is where hearing is resolved.
In summary, I am uneasy at buying the ET's, abduction and implant
scenario as it is normally sold. But then again if we adopt the
attitude there ain't no ET's and there ain't no implants why to some
of the witnesses describe the effects you might expect if they did
have an implant??!!!!
STEVE.
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From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
Message-ID: <863@carbon.crc.ac.uk>
Date: 8 Aug 91 13:07:04 GMT
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In article <2172@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>, p515dfi@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) writes:
> From: huw@spls5.ccs.mt.nec.co.jp (Huw Jonathan Rogers)
>
> I recently heard a Radio One program in the UK that contained
> an interview with a leading proponent of the popular "US Government has
> aliens locked up and is experimenting with their spaceplanes" conspiracy
> theory. However this particular individual sounded very reasonable, did
> not make any outrageous claims, and further had some interesting facts
> to disclose. In particular he mentioned several verifiable facts which
[lots deleted]
This sounds as if it is a chap called Tim Good who has just written a
book called Alien Liason.
I have started reading this and have so far reached about half way. In
my opinion some of the evidence Tim presents is very thin. Maybe it
gets better as the book goes on. The book concerns stories of crashed
saucers, cattle mutilations (the book mentions a number of incidents
from Colorado, so perhaps this is the state you were thinking of?) and
government cover-ups and similar type information. I will reserve
final judgement until I have finished the book
STEVE.
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From: craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: whitley Strieber/reliability
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Date: 8 Aug 91 12:04:46 GMT
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In article <beddow.681580090@ux.acs.umn.edu>, beddow@ux.acs.umn.edu
(Jeff Beddow) writes:
> It must be remembered that Strieber is a very good science fiction writer.
^^^^^^^^^
Having (at the wife's insistance) struggled through _Nature's End_ and
half of _War Day_, I wouldn't go so far as to say he's "very good" at
all (of course, it must be stated that the books I attempted were joint
ventures between him and some other guy). The guy reminds me of L. Ron
Hubbard.
> If I get chased by some ugly little shits with galactic army knives for
> posting this I will let you know.
Please do, and the same goes for me...open message to any ETs who might
be monitoring this network: Stop on by! I'll acquaint you with my
collection of 9mm ammo ;-)
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From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Solar Tour part#5
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(Monka speaking)
Now, let us leave this one and spiral outwards again. And lo, what
do we behold but a swirling dirvish, a ring of tiny fragments --that
known to you as the asteroid belt -- the remains of a planet (Maldek).
These remnants whirl around my planet and that one from whioch life sprang
in this system.
We look closer now and behold the mightiest of all the planerts in
this Solar System, the one known as Jupiter. Truly, this is a singular
sight to gaze upon, with its many moons circling about it -- those that
were created and those natural from the point of ceation. We look down
on size that begins to dim one's comprehension of size. We see huge
cloud flotillas, mighty land masses, tremendous oceans, and the oldest
civilization prevalent in this Solar System. Here reside those beings
which overlook MAN's affairs in this sector of space.
Gotta go.
Standard Disclaimer.
No saying this time.
John.
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From: ewf2@ra.MsState.Edu (Juice S. Aaron)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Communion question
Summary: I wanna know if the movie was true to the book.
Keywords: communion
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A few months ago I picked up and read the vast majority of
the book called Communion. What the book had to say
was quite interesting and sometimes somewhat shocking
for me. I spent many a night wondering if big ugly
aliens with spindly arms would come waltzing down my
hall (or if they already had and I just didn't remember
it.) Then I heard that there was a movie based on
the book and after waiting millenia for it to be
released on video was able to watch it.
I noticed that the screenplay for the movie was
written by Streiber himself so I thought
we'll get the real picture that was presented in
the book. Now I watched the movie and afterwards
I found myself wondering if it was actually true to the
book. Several minor little things were changed, (such
as the gender of the psychiatrist he went to) but nothing
major seemed out of place until the scene near the end with
the aliens in suit coats and the strangeness that went on then.
I seem to remember the movie having something really
out of place near the end that involved the aliens
dressed up like humans who removed their faces to show
human faces under them. I don't seem to remember that
from the book. (Not to say it wasn't in the book as I
didn't read some bits of the book as well as I read other
bits)
Did the movie stick to the book or did streiber take
liberties with his own supposedly true story?
JSA
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: whitley Strieber/reliability
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beddow@ux.acs.umn.edu (Jeff Beddow) writes:
>It must be remembered that Strieber is a very good science fiction writer. He wrote the book and I believe the screenplay for "Wolfen." While this makes him an eloquent teller of his tale, it also opens up alternate interpretations of his motives...It seems unlikely, but possible, that this is a post-modern version of the Mercury Radio Theater War of the the Worlds?
Isn't _Wolfen_ a horror story? _Warday_ is probably science fiction,
but he did a lot of research for that and it's based on reality.
Besides, _Communion_ and _Transformation_ *are not* science fiction.
There's very little that's "scientific" about them and they *are not*
fiction (according to the author).
The point is, though: he's an *author*. I don't think the abduction
books he's written are typical of his style. Would he be more credible
to you if he was a romance novel writer? Did you ever think whoever's
doing this to him chose him for his story-writing abilities?
He's stated plainly and taken lie-detector tests demonstrating that his
story is true. He *believes* it's true; now it's just a matter of
whether he's crazy or not.
Of course, offering to donate all proceeds from his books to an
organization in charge of investigating UFOs would lend some
credibility, but the man's gotta eat ( and he spent a lot of time on the
books).
>-Jeff
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
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Date: 8 Aug 91 15:47:20 GMT
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In article <Aug.7.11.15.31.1991.26222@porthos.rutgers.edu> mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>
> etuggle@dora.UUCP (Eddie Tuggle) write:
> Is Whitley Strieber generaly considered to be an athority,
> reliable?
>
>... he's certainly an interesting fellow. Along with "Communion", and
>"Transformation" (his UFO-related books), he's also written horror
>novels - "The Wolfen", "The Hunger", and most recently "The Wild".
>
> As far as I know, he hasn't become one of the UFO-genre "stars" (as
>dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) noted, he thinks most
>UFO-interested-folk are rude and self-obsessed -- and he's probably
>right -- except for everyone who reads this, of course :-).
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Charles
Yes, he writes a lot of books. He makes quite a bit of money on them.
He received a one million dollar ADVANCE on "Communion". The
profit motive is certainly there.
The truth, or lack thereof, of the subject matter is certainly in
question. However, I do believe he feels he is telling the "truth".
Joe
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In article <kLmB73w164w@doomsday.Spies.COM> bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake) writes:
>jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni) writes:
>
>> I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
>> multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
>> with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
>>
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>It makes perfect sense, when you consider that perhaps they are attempting
>to "ready" our society for the shock of finding out we're NOT alone.
>
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Actually, my point is: Why would an advanced civilization regard our form
of government as a vehicle to communicate or control the masses? When
we take eggs from chickens, we don't bother to ask the "head rooster". We
go right to the chickens. Its easier.
Joe
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
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Subject: Re: needles, implants, tissue samples
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In article <862@carbon.crc.ac.uk> sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) writes:
>In article <jms.5643@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>> In article <9851@awdprime.UUCP> craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
>> >I'm familiar with abductee claims about having needles stuck into their
>> >brain and/or having small BB-like implants; what I'm curious about is
>>
>> Whitley Strieber has had some sort of scan done and some sort of objects
>> appeared on it. I don't know if any abductees have died yet, but it would
>[stuff deleted]
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>As I understand it a couple of bright spots were found on Whitley's CAT
>scan. Speaking to people who know more about CAT scans than I, I believe
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I think Strieber also says in "Communion" that the same thing happens to
his son. When he takes his kid to a pediatrician, the doctor looks up the
kids nose and says he dosent see anything abnormal. Just some openings in
the upper part of the nasal cavity which seem to be common in kids.
You are then supposed to wonder, as a thinking reader, why the hell is it
common for kids to have needle holes in the top of their nasal cavity?
I have a close friend who is a pediatrician. He dosent think its common
for kids to have needle holes in their nasal cavities, unless they
stuck pencils up their noses.
Are any of you pediatricians?
From my own childhood, and my own brief experience as a parent, I know
that it is not uncommon to have a child wake up with a nosebleed. This
has always been attributed to dry conditions and viruses. I have never
suspected brain implants.
One way to scare people is to give them weird explanations for very common
experiences.
Joe
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From: anachem@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (mark s gilstrap)
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Subject: Shattering Assault [part 2]
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UFO's: The "Shattering Assault"
PART 2
by Father Alexey Young
'Orthodox America' issue #88
transcribed and posted with the permission of the publisher
No Orthodox Christian even slightly versed in the lives of the
saints and the writings of the Holy Fathers can fail to understand what
is happening here. The similarities between Streiber's experiences (and
those of other UFO "contactees") and the demonic warfare of the saints is
compelling. The author himself even describes peculiar smells associated
with his "visitors" -- among them, a "sulfur-like" odor which he compares
to the head of a matchstick. His "visitors" have frightening, insect-like
heads with enormous eyes that he associates with statues of the pagan
goddess Ishtar. In 'Transformation' he writes:
"I felt an absolutely indescribable sense of menace. It was hell
on earth to be there, and yet I couldn't move, couldn't cry out, and
couldn't get away. I lay as still as death, suffering inner agonies.
Whatever was there seemed so monstrously ugly, so filthy and dark and
sinister ... I still remember that thing crouching there, so terribly
ugly, its arms and legs like limbs of a great insect, its eyes glaring at
me."
In his second book Streiber concludes that many of the "close
encounters" he has had (and is still having) are for the purpose of
"shattering my belief in the accepted paradigm of reality. And it
succeeded very well ... I suspect that experiences such as [these] are
the outcomes of a fundamental shift of mind. They are what happens when
people begin to abandon the old, *false* beliefs..." Truer words were
never spoken.
Although Streiber now believes that his "visitors" are extra-
terrestrials and have a physical reality, he also calls them "goblins"
and "soul-eaters," who have the "ability to enter the mind and affect
thought," and much, much worse. He writes:
"Increasingly I felt as if I were entering a struggle that might
be a struggle *for my soul*, my essence, or whatever part of me might
have reference to the eternal...It was clear that the soul was very much
at issue. People [have] experienced feeling as if their souls were being
dragged from their bodies. More than one person had seen the visitors in
the context of a near-death experience."
In spite of all this, Streiber's delusion is so great that he can
enthusiastically say that "it is up to each one of us to seek our own
contact [with the 'visitors'], develop it if it occurs, and challenge
ourselves to use it for...spiritual growth..."
By contrast, Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov wrote a century ago:
"The perception of spirits with the eyes of sense always brings harm,
sometimes greater and sometimes less, to men who do not have spiritual
perception...He will unfailingly be deceived, he will unfailingly be
attracted, he will unfailingly be sealed with the seal of deception...the
seal of a frightful injury to his spirit; and further, the possibility of
correction and salvation is often lost. This has happened with many, very
many. It has happened not only with pagans, whose priests were for the
most part in open *communion* with demons; it has happened not only with
many Christians who do not know the mysteries of Christianity..' it has
[also] happened with many strugglers and monks..." (quoted in 'The Soul
After Death', Fr. Seraphim Rose, p.68)
When he wasn't "seeing" them, Streiber nonetheless frequently
"heard" their voices, "as if from a small speaker just to the right of my
head." Without any difficulty at all he saw that this was similar to the
pagan oracles of old: "the oracles at Delphi and many other places in the
ancient world were channels answering questions in trance...With the rise
of Christianity the voice died...So the voice I was hearing, as also the
voices heard by modern channels, was possessed by an ancient and lofty
human heritage...I was still well within the tradition of human
experience."
Streiber also speaks of psychic gifts that suddenly appear,
unbidden, in people who have UFO experiences: "precognition, apparent
telepathy, out-of-the-body perceptions, and even physical levitation.
Such people often find street lights mysteriously shutting down as they
walk down the street. (One wonders if he had ever seen the 1950's film
about modern-day witchcraft, 'Bell, Book, and Candle', in which a novice
warlock is able to turn out the street lights as he passes by.)
Streiber concludes benignly; "I do not think we have even begun
to comprehend the visitors. I suspect that we are a lot farther from
understanding them than we are from understanding , say, the songs of the
whales..."
But Fr. Seraphim wrote: "Such stories of demonic activity were
commonplace in earlier centuries. It is a sign of the spiritual crisis of
today that modern men, for all their proud 'enlightenment' and 'wisdom'
are becoming once more aware of such experiences -- but no longer have
the Christian framwork with which to explain them...A true evaluation of
UFO experiences may be made only on the basis of Christian revelation and
experience, and it is accessible only to the humble Christian believer
who trusts these sources" (Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, pps
137-138).
Ever since the phenomenally successful movies, 'Close Encounters'
and 'E.T.'(just rereleased on video), we have seen a resurgence of
interest in UFO phenomena. It will doubtless continue to grow as
Christianity wanes in the West and people instead tune their ears to very
ancient "voices", once stilled by the Son of God.
The Orthodox Christian, however must hold on to the redemption
offered by Christ, for as Fr. Seraphim wrote, "he knows that man is not
to 'evolve' into 'something higher', nor has he any reason to believe
that there are 'highly evolved' beings on other planets; but he knows
well that there are indeed ' advanced intelligences' in the universe
besides himself: these are of two kinds, and he strives to live so as to
dwell with those who serve God (the angels) and avoid contact with the
others who have rejected God (the demons)...he distrusts his own ability
to see through the deceptions of the demons, and therefore clings all the
more firmly to the Scriptural and Patristic guidelines which the Church
of Christ provides for his life...."(Orthodoxy and the religion of the
Future, pps. 144-145).
O Archangel of God, leave us not defenseless against
the spirits of evil in the upper air!
from the prayer to St Michael the Archangel
[patron of Archangel Michael Russian Orthodox Student Association]
written by Father Alexey Young
published by Orthodox America
Vol IX, #8 (issue 88), March 89
available from GOLD::GILSTRAP
or by subscription from:
P.O.Box 2132, Redding CA., 96099
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From: anachem@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (mark s gilstrap)
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Subject: Shattering Assault [part 1]
Summary: more words of warning
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PART 1
by Father Alexey Young
'Orthodox America' issue #88
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"Let no man deceive you by any means...." II Thess.2:3
It is no coincidence that the ancient pagan mystery religions as
well as numerous mystical fraternities (such as the Theosophists and
Rosicrucians) speak of an "elite" --sometimes called "the Great White
Brotherhood," the "Ascended Masters," or the "Mahatmas" of Madame
Blavatsky -- a group of beings seeking to guide and control the destiny
of mortal man. Sometimes this "elite" is seen as non-human, at other
times as "highly evolved" or perfected humans. [transcriber's note: the
respondents in the FORUM topic "ORACLES" refer to their "higher power"
guides]
The ancestor of this "elite" is the 'daimon' of the ancient pagan
Greeks - from which, in fact, we get the word "demon," and which prompted
the Holy Fathers to say that "the gods of the pagans are demons". [from
the Psalter] Thus, from the Christian point of view, there can be no
doubt that such an invisible "elite" exists, and is known to the
followers of Christ as the army of fallen angels, the demonic host. This
host enters into our fallen world through sin and heresy, as well as by
occult practices of all kinds (from apparently "innocent" things such as
ouija boards to the New Age practice of "channeling")[see FORUM topic
"ORACLES" for a local selection]. Now however, fallen angels have found
a new and particularly dazzling way to enter the world of men.
Whereas a generation ago only "cranks" and the
mentally/emotionally distressed believed in UFOs, today more than half
the population of the US, according to surveys, accepts the reality of
alien visitors. In particular, "many New Agers believe in unidentified
flying objects," according to Time, "crewed by oddly shaped
extraterrestrials who have long visited the earth from more advanced
planets, spreading the wisdom that created, among other things,
Stonehenge and the pyramids of Egypt."
Although UFO literature is proliferous, the most respected and
listened-to UFO "convert" is Whitley Streiber, who has written two recent
books on his own experiences, 'Communion: A True Story' (1987) and its
sequel, 'Transformation: A Breakthrough' (1988). Both books have been on
the best seller list and the author has appeared in numerous television
interviews, partly because he writes well and has consulted many members
of the scientific community.
Although Streiber says that he was never before interested in
UFOs and had read practically nothing on the subject, "this is the
story," he writes in the first book, "of one man's attempt to deal with a
shattering assault from the unknown. It is a true story, as true as I
know how to describe it. To all appearances I have had an elaborate
personal encounter with intelligent nonhuman beings. But who could they
be, and where have they come from? Are unidentified flying objects real?
Are they goblins or demons ... or visitors?"
Beginning in December 1985 Streiber and his family experienced a
whole series of dream-like lights, voices, touchings and "night visitors"
with bug-like heads. "At first," he said, "I thought I was losing my
mind. But I was interviewed by three psychologists and three
psychiatrists and given a battery of psychological tests and a
neurological examination, and found to fall within the normal range in
all respects. I was given a polygraph .. and I passed without qualification
...The visitors marched right into the middle of the life of an
indifferent skeptic without a moment's hesitation."
The fact that Streiber's first book 'Communion' also contains
official medical statements as to his normalcy and sanity, as well as
transcripts of hypnotic sessions (used to focus details of his
experiences) and that he acknowledges by name the help of prominent
scientists in many fields, adds to the veracious tone of his frightening
story.
Streiber speculates that his "visitors" could be:
1) "from another planet or planets;
2) "from earth, but so different from us that we have not hitherto
understood that they were even real;
3) "from another aspect of space-time -- another dimension;
4) "from this dimension in space but not in time" -- in
otherwords, time-travel by our own descendants into their own past (our
present);
5) "from within us;
6) "a certain hallucinatory wire in the mind, or
7) "an aspect of the human species" -- perhaps ghosts or, better
yet, "maybe you and I are larvae, and the 'visitors' are human beings in
the mature form."
What makes Streiber's account so compelling is his apparent
objectivity: he projects himself as an innocent bystander, in no way
responsible for this bizarre encounter. Beyond the pages of these books,
however, one discovers that Streiber is also the author of several horro
stories, which contain similarities to his real-life experience. As one
critic pointed out: " 'Communion' seems like the end of a logical
progression leading from the fiction side of the bestseller list to the
non-fiction side" (Thomas Dirch in 'The Nation', March 14, 1987). What is
even more revealing, Streiber studied for 15 years with the Gurdjieff
Foundation, a cultish group whose teaching stresses "the development of
powers latent in the human psche," and whose spiritual eclecticism is
popular among today's New Agers. Obviously, Streiber's role was not as
passive as he would lead his readers to believe; he had -- unknowingly,
no doubt -- predisposed himself to cooperate with such an experience. And
one can more readily understand why the 'aliens' told him: "You are our
chosen one."
Although he brings a diverse array of ideas and theories from
world religion and philosophy to bear on his subject -- everything from
Hindu mythology to the warefare of St Anthony the Great with demons --
religion and God in the traditional sense are conspicuously absent from
his thinking and he comes down in favor of the popular modern idea that
SCIENCE is the only "key" -- if still primitive -- to understanding these
experiences. But, as Hieromonk Seraphim (Rose) wrote in his study of UFOs
(in 'Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future'): "Science fiction has
given the images,'evolution' has produced the philosophy, and the
technology of the 'space age' has supplied the plausibility for such
encounters".
Rather than a boundless thirst for God, we have instead a "great
thirst for contact with superior minds that will provide guidance for our
poor, harassed, hectic, planet" (Jaques Vallee, quoted in ORF, p.138).
Indeed Streiber is himself a fervent environmentalist with an apocalyptic
sense of the destruction man is bringing upon his little earth-home.
What is clear in Streiber's books is that mind or thought control
is being exercised on the human race by these "visitors" in a way that
can only be described in the classic sense as occult. The Orthodox reader
is chilled when, at one point, the author discovers that he can "call up"
these "visitors" at will and experience a kind of "communion" with them
(thus, the title of his first book) in a manner that is clearly
mediumistic.
to be continued in PART 2
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Subject: Re: saucer symbols references
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In article <1991Aug7.134131.17818@vicorp.com> mc@vicorp.UUCP (Mark Charalambous) writes:
>Does anyone know of any resources which contain pictures or descriptions
>of any symbols purported to be seen inside UFOs or on UFO retrieved
>material? For instance, the symbols said to be have seen inside the
>Roswell saucer.
Not only that, but it would be interesting to know IF any of these symbols
and or pictures have any correlation or similarity to some of the "wild"
crop circle symbols being "created" around the world!!
JBL
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From: cs49+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher J. Shields)
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Subject: Yo! Needles/Communion & Shit
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Whoa! Maybe I'm outta line here but people have been posting stuff that
I just can't agree with...
1> "Communion" as a movie SUCKED cinematography-wise and somewhat story
wise. Yes it was very much "here's my story, take it or leave it", But
Peter Weller did a really lousy job and I didn't get the ending ( no,
not the part about Strieber communicating with the aliens, the part with
the masks and the Grey who takes half his face off, What the Fuck? ). I
felt the book was better and that Transformation was more informative.
2> Strieber had an MRI .....NOT a Cat Scan like people have been saying.
This was reported in a year-old or so issue of OMNI ( I can't remember
the date but I do remember the article ) A white spot showed up on his
MRI around the area of his optic nerve. This could be an alien implant
or it could be an air bubble. In the movie the needle was inserted in
his ear yet in the book it was inserted into his left nostril. The book
makes more sense. Bud Hopkins was quoted as saying in the issue of Omni
that it would be virtually impossible to remove the 2mm implant that
Strieber claims to have.
3> If space is infinite what the fuck makes us the only/most advanced
intellegence in the universe? NOT!
4> THEY haven't disproved alien intellegence exsists.
Just kinda ina bitchy mood, comments by e-mail please, sorry about
typos, all flames ignored, have a nice day......
Peace,
c.shields
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From: dave@tygra.Michigan.COM (David Conrad)
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Subject: Re: Great Pyramid part 4
Summary: Whoa! Wait a minute!
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Date: 8 Aug 91 10:26:44 GMT
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In article <91214.161939HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>>JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
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>>>> The base of our Pyramid was 765 feet square. The total height was
>>>>486 feet. The entrance way was located exactly 534 feet above the base
>>>>on the north side and constructed in such a manner that the light of
>>>>[...]
Various comments deleted...and then:
>Well if you want to *TRY* to make it work. I see it as 765 feet on a side
>with a vertical height of 486 feet that leaves about 622 feet for the
>length of the vertical side. So, 534 feet up the side is still legit 8:)
>
>Harold M. Harvey Harvey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
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>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (415)926-2389 9-6 M-F Pacific
>The views expressed here are mine. (415)534-5961
Interesting address, especially for a JOHNFW apologist. Either you're
our "JOHNFW" or you work where he does, so either 'fess up or find this
guy and tell us if he's for real.
David R. Conrad, dave@michigan.com
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From: dave@tygra.Michigan.COM (David Conrad)
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Subject: Re: A Solar Tour part#4
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Date: 8 Aug 91 10:42:56 GMT
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In article <91214.073744JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>...inductrial progaress...
>...spacectaft...
>...representes...natuare...
>...apearance...
You would think he would at least bother to spell check this stuff.
>...and at the poles, as our craft approaches, a lovely green area
>where a city of scintillating splendor greets our eyes.
Mars has polar ice caps, eh.
>I'll leave you with this saying; A father that has a smart son believes in
>heredity.
Oooh, he's got a fortune program!
>Standard Disclaimer.
>John.
"Some ignorance is invincible."
David R. Conrad, dave@michigan.com
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From: cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug8.183955.24388@aifh.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 8 Aug 91 18:39:55 GMT
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Reply-To: cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
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>cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
>
>> In article <1991Aug6.001828.26671@latcs1.lat.oz.au> stephens@ipc1.lat.oz.au (
>> > Finally, give us the latest estimate on how probable it was for the first
>> >replicating molecule to evolve in a single step.
>>
>> Since nobody thinks this happened, what is your interest in knowing the
>> probability?
>>
> Actually, I don't know how a self replicating molecule could evolve in
>MULTIPLE steps, because I would assume that evolution requires some form of
>replication.
You said it yourself -- evolution requires *some* form of replication.
*Self* replication is a particular kind of replication. There's plenty
of books and papers out there, including back numbers of Scientific
American, dealing with step-by-step evolution starting with naturally
produced stable-in-context chemicals and forms, through various forms of
replication, up to self-replication. The topic is general evolution,
i.e., evolution as it applies to naturally occurring non-replicating
non-living systems. Typically these are systems inhabiting an energy
gradient.
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Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aipna +44 (0)31 667 1011 x2550
Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205
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From: kelvinf@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Kelvin Fedrick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ha!
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Date: 7 Aug 91 21:26:21 GMT
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[Shawn's rather long winded posting on life, the universe and everything]
Oh good grief. Where do I start?
First of all, I HATE hypocrits, especially when they try to hold themselves
up as something more than the rest of us.
First point, Shawn, is that your posted beliefs have all the necessary
elements of any religion.
You have your unprovable items of faith:
1. [I beleive the earth has been visited by other intelligent races...]
2. [I beleive that the human mind is capable of anything, even without
tools and science...]
In (2) you merely substitute some type of unexplained, unproved, pseudo-
scientific, mystical, borderline divine powers for god, gods, demons, etc..
You diagnose "man's condition" and the state the method of his "salvation".
1. [We were afraid of change, afraid of the unknown.]
2. [again, it's our subconcious training, our religion and superstition
that holds us back.]
3. [Everything we have developed so far has for the most part been to
cure us of the side effects of our false beliefs.]
4. [If you are only willing to open your eyes, you will see.]
paraphrase: open your eyes and believe as I do, switch to my 'religion'.
5. [We have to cut through the religion, and soon.]
You have your selectivity criterion:
[There is a new breed in the young people today. A select few have
been able to realize that we have to look at things truly objectively.]
Sound familiar? Maybe a little like, many are called and few are chosen?
You have your reward for the faithful and punishment for infidels:
[ For some people, the brimstone will fall, and the fires of hell will
burn them, and they will hallucinate that they are going to wherever
there religion tells them they will. But maybe us few who can change
will see this "End" for what it really is, a new beginning. Perhaps we
will be able to witness the birth of a whole new world, a whole new
life, a whole new reality.]
Shawn, nothing, NOTHING in your posting has any sustance, any proof, or
anything tangible to it at all and thus qualifies it as your religious
dogma. It is fine that you have your religious belief but it pisses me
off when people imply that others who who have conflicting beliefs are
ignorant.
Now lets look at a few of the other non-sensical illogical, items you
included in this post. Lots of this is out of order and out of context
be I believe that I retained the flavor and implications of the posting.
>At first, religion incorporated all the visits and phenomenon into their
>scriptures.
>
>Nowadays, religion, beleif groups, and culture have totally covered up
>these visits, to the point where people who have the potential to learn
>and be aware of all around them ignore even the simplest of facts, because
>they don't fit into their critereon of reality. ^^^^^
Facts, Shawn? WHAT facts!? All we have here is Genesis according to Shawn,
and yet you are criticizing people for denying the 'reality' of alien
visitations which you provide ABSOLUTELY NO evidents for, AND accusing
them of organizing a coverup. Geez!
>We have to look through the myth, and realize that the same voice has been
>muffled all through our history!
First of all this presumes that traditional (christian I assume) beliefs
ARE myths and your alien visitation is NOT a myth.
Second, if ANY voice has indeed been muffled, you fail to prove that YOUR
version of history IS what has been muffled. To me there is no compelling
reason to accept one over the other; both are hard to swallow. This is why
I have no problem with anyone who simply doesn't believe in any of these
myths AND who doesn't try to SUBSTITUTE myths of their own.
>Our science has helped us evolve, and our curiousity has led us to great
>hights, but the time has come to accept the world as it is.
and again later,
>We have to accept the universe as it is, unbiased and ready to learn
>things we may not think we are ready for.
What the hell does this mean 'accept the universe as it is', and why do
you think we are not now accepting the universe as it is? I think what
you really mean here is 'accept the universe as *I* say it is'.
Furthermore, WHAT is it that 'we think we are not ready for' that we should
be ready to learn?
The part about being 'unbias' strikes me as really funny and very indicitive
of the hypocrisy of this entire posting. After writing nearly an entire
posting of un-supported, wild speculation, you tell US that we should be
unbiased, as if you are. Ha!
>We have to be ready to evolve. For a while now humans have been devolving.
>Our machines and medicine and some of our technology have just made it more
>difficult to realize our potential.
I take it this is another BS reference to some type of pseudo-scientific,
mystical, power.
>Some people go to work with the aim of proving that their studies support
>their religion. Others go out to disprove others theories and improve
>their own. But we have to set out to seek the truth simply for the fact
>that it is the truth.
No Shawn. In the scientific method people approach an experiment with a
HYPOTHESIS. They then perform the experiment in order to see if it supports
there hypothesis. If their hypothesis happens to have religious implications
and the experiment supports the hypothesis and those religious implications
then, as you said earlier, we must be 'unbiased' enough to accept them, or
propose alternate explainations and gather support for those explainations.
Despite what you seem to think, this is a well established method of
'seeking the truth'. What alternative method would YOU propose one use to go
about 'seeking the truth'? How can one 'seek the truth' without having some
prior hypothesis (belief) about what the 'truth' is?
>I beleive science can explain everything, if we make science fit the truth,
>not bend the truth to fit science.
Ah, Shawn, this makes absolutely NO sense. Please explain to me how anyone
can 'bend the truth to fit science'? By definition, if I show something to
be truth scientifically, not just find 100 peices of evidents to support it
(because the 101st peice could show the explaination to be flawed) but PROVE
it, then it IS the truth.
And finally,
>But that's an [Shawn's] OPINION.
You bet. And there are others who have different opinions, some falling
along traditional religious lines. It is hypocritical of you to criticize
others for what you consider foolish beliefs on the bases that those
people cannot prove or support their claims, and then to try to substitute
your equally increadible, unsupported, unproved claims.
Nuff said.
-Kelvin
fedrick@tigger.colorado.edu
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From: kelvinf@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Kelvin Fedrick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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Date: 7 Aug 91 16:01:44 GMT
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In alt.alien.visitors, ddaye@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David C Daye) writes:
>In article <1991Aug6.160911.13402@cadence.com> jdm@cadence.com,
>(Joe Mastroianni) writes:
>>I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
>>multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
>>with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
>It may depend on what you're computing. I think of 2 possibilities in
>response to the standard question of "If they're coming here, why haven't
>they contacted us formally?"
>1) Have you ever "contacted" the ants?
>2) I have the impression that we do "contact" apes fairly regularly.
Sorry I agree with Joe. Ants are incapable of language, ants are not,
as I remember, regarded as being capable of internal representations.
While apes may be regarded as having some fundamentals of language
we still are still more *evolutionarily* advanced; our brains can do
things that they are *physically* incapable of.
If such aliens existed, and if such artifacts as you say existed, there
is absolutely no way to deduce from this evidence that such aliens would
necessarily be more advanced on the *evolutionary* scale. Technologically
yes, but not fundamentally. Remember, we are probably not any more
intelligent now than we were 10,000 years ago but look at the technological
advances we have make. I don't think your 'we're to puny for them to bother
with' argument works.
Furthermore, I have a very hard time beleiving that the US government is
capable of keeping a secret as big as a warehouse of alien spaceships,
electronic communication with alien societies and the like. I also think
you give the NSA and CIA to much credit for having the technological
sophistication to do such things while no-one else has been able to.
- Kelvin
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From: bradski@polar.bu.edu (Gary Bradski)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <BRADSKI.91Aug8160430@polar.bu.edu>
Date: 8 Aug 91 20:04:30 GMT
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<1991Jul12.205856.26896@bony1.bony.com>
<1991Aug3.170949.19919@hobbes.kzoo.edu>
<1991Aug6.120038.17853@ujocs.joensuu.fi>
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In-reply-to: asiivo@ujocs.joensuu.fi's message of 6 Aug 91 12:00:38 GMT
> The reason why the missing links are so hard to find is that there are
> no such links at all. A lot of skeletons of apes and people have been
> found, but no 'links' between them, we must come to a conclusion that,
> simply, there are no such links.
> Andreas
Well, the number of humaniod skeletons is actually quite skimpy...but
I too suspect that there may not be any links to find. But this does
not imply any space alien nonsense...simply that evolutionary
mechanisms are not well understood yet.
It may well be that various species represent semi-stable points or
cycles in a genetic dynamical system, and that these stable points
are subject sudden changes in mode if perturbed enough. Thus evolution
may preceed in jumps between stable states. See this months
Scientific American for boolean systems (inspired from ideas about
DNA) that exhibit such phenonema.
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: new reader
Keywords: hello
Message-ID: <8775@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Date: 8 Aug 91 01:15:22 GMT
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wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>What do YOU think happened at Roswell and do you think there may indeed
>be other worlds with a form of life at *least* as intelligent as our own?
First off: something *did* crash near Roswell. *What* crashed is
up-for-grabs. With the evidence the public has on it, it's really the
opinion of the investigator that makes the decision. A lot of the
testimony of cited witnesses can be written off. It happened 44 years
ago. People have a strange tendency to sensationalize and mis-identify
something that they don't understand. In other words, judging by the
actions of the government, as well as a lot of testimony given, you may
as well flip a coin: "heads" it's a UFO; "tails" it's a Fugo. At
least that's what you could decide based on judging the actions of the
government. If the government came forward and said, "It was a Fugo and
here's the remains of it..." that doesn't prove anything. They could be
faking it. The only way to settle it is to come out and say, "It was a
UFO and here it is..." if that's what happened.
In my opinion, however, it was a UFO.
As far as intelligence on other worlds: if life developped only 10,000
years sooner on another planet (which is nothing in terms of evolution)
they would be significantly more advanced than we are. That seems
plausible to me.
>Duane
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Dan Cogswell dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu
Mostly H20 and whatever pizza and Diet Pepsi digest into
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From: HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Great Pyramid part 4
Message-ID: <91220.130729HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Date: 8 Aug 91 21:07:29 GMT
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<1991Aug2.182153.10981@sun.pcl.ac.uk>
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In article <1991Aug8.102644.2031@tygra.Michigan.COM>, dave@tygra.Michigan.COM
(David Conrad) says:
>
>In article <91214.161939HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
>HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>>>JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> The base of our Pyramid was 765 feet square. The total height was
>>>>>486 feet. The entrance way was located exactly 534 feet above the base
>>>>>on the north side and constructed in such a manner that the light of
>>>>>[...]
>
>Various comments deleted...and then:
>
>>Well if you want to *TRY* to make it work. I see it as 765 feet on a side
>>with a vertical height of 486 feet that leaves about 622 feet for the
>>length of the vertical side. So, 534 feet up the side is still legit 8:)
>>
>>Harold M. Harvey Harvey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (415)926-2389 9-6 M-F Pacific
>>The views expressed here are mine. (415)534-5961
>
>Interesting address, especially for a JOHNFW apologist. Either you're
>our "JOHNFW" or you work where he does, so either 'fess up or find this
>guy and tell us if he's for real.
>
>David R. Conrad, dave@michigan.com
>--
The address is only interesting because we both work at the same
lab. John is a real, genuine and honest person. I don't agree with
him on much but I don't discount his arguments just because of his
spelling. Some people believe, and the logic of a believer can
never be understood by a non-believer or should be. Maybe I will
show him how to use spellfix.
Harold M. Harvey Harvey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (415)926-2389 9-6 M-F
The views expressed here are mine. (415)534-5961
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From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Communion question
Keywords: communion
Message-ID: <1991Aug8.193804.15964@mprgate.mpr.ca>
Date: 8 Aug 91 19:38:04 GMT
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In article <ewf2.681665507@Ra.MsState.Edu>, ewf2@ra.MsState.Edu (Juice S. Aaron) writes:
|>
|> A few months ago I picked up and read the vast majority of
|> the book called Communion. What the book had to say
|> was quite interesting and sometimes somewhat shocking
|> for me. I spent many a night wondering if big ugly
|> aliens with spindly arms would come waltzing down my
|> hall (or if they already had and I just didn't remember
|> it.) Then I heard that there was a movie based on
|> the book and after waiting millenia for it to be
|> released on video was able to watch it.
|> I noticed that the screenplay for the movie was
|> written by Streiber himself so I thought
|> we'll get the real picture that was presented in
|> the book. Now I watched the movie and afterwards
|> I found myself wondering if it was actually true to the
|> book. Several minor little things were changed, (such
|> as the gender of the psychiatrist he went to) but nothing
|> major seemed out of place until the scene near the end with
|> the aliens in suit coats and the strangeness that went on then.
|> I seem to remember the movie having something really
|> out of place near the end that involved the aliens
|> dressed up like humans who removed their faces to show
|> human faces under them. I don't seem to remember that
|> from the book. (Not to say it wasn't in the book as I
|> didn't read some bits of the book as well as I read other
|> bits)
|> Did the movie stick to the book or did streiber take
|> liberties with his own supposedly true story?
|>
|> JSA
I believe that Communion (the movie) included some material from
Streiber's Communion (book) sequel: Transformation.
The strangeness continued after Communion (the book) was published,
and if anything, got a little stranger. It has been a while since
I read Transformation, but I seem to remember the "alien wearing a suit"
part.
I think I understand why you say you read "the vast majority of
the book called Communion". I had a heck of a time wading through the
last chapter or so where Streiber presents his theories about what has
been happening to him. It seemed to me that he was grasping around
trying desperately to find some kind of meaning to it all. He changes
his theories around in Transformation, but they still have a sense of
desperation (IMO of course).
In Transformation, Streiber presents new material and tries to deal
with some of the questions raised by Communion, he also decided to
release some of the more bizarre material that he was "coerced" into
leaving out of Communion. My memory is not infalible, but I beleive that
it was Budd Hopkins who suggested that Steiber leave out the really weird
material because Hopkins thought that it would destroy Streiber's
credibility (and it also didn't fit into Hopkins' pet theory).
Transformation was written after Streiber and Hopkins had their falling
out.
I think that Communmion (the movie) was made some time inbetween
the falling out with Hopkins and the writing of Transformation.
Leonard Spani
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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,alt.slack
Subject: A Solar tour #6
Keywords: Saturn
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Date: 8 Aug 91 20:25:34 GMT
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(Funky Speaking)
As we leave the mighty Jupiter, we come upon Saturn. This is a beautiful
planet with a beautiful ring constructed of solid plutonium. The peoples of
Saturn are true party pigs, they bring us to their plush houses filled
with shag carpet and Greek plaster statues. For many centuries the Saturnians
have been living in a state of inebriation, for they are the mightiest party
pigs this side of the Rigelan empire. They can teach us much about having
a good time. Trying to relocate to this beer bucket is difficult, for the
remaining real estate has been taken up by strip joints and discos. The
Saturnians are gracious hosts though, filling our space junket with the
finest Nitrous Oxide Beer kegs.
I will leave you with this saying: A beer in the hand is better than a beer in
the beer case.
Standard Disclaimer.
Jon
--
"I've got contacts in my books and in my eyes.
My good connection on the telephone never lies."
DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer. Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: OH Krill intro/README
Message-ID: <1991Aug8.054517.24157@bilver.uucp>
Date: 8 Aug 91 05:45:17 GMT
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O. H. Krill (Krll) Intro:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Aside from the William Milton Cooper material, these 4 files are
considered to be highly controversial in the field of UFOlogy. The
"author" of this work, "O. H. Krill" is believed to have been a joint
effort of John Grace and John Lear. As the story goes, this file was
put together (according to sources close to John Lear) to "smoke out
the dis-informants in the field". For many of us who have been into
this field for awhile, this file is held in low esteem. Discussions
by UFO "newbies" on this text has often degenerated into vast flame
wars on the various UFO "echoes" of the BBS world, as there might be
some truth in it and possibly a bit of BS. I will leave it up to you to
sort out which is which. If there is such a thing as a "black sheep"
of a UFO text, then *this* file would easily qualify.
These files are a bit large so I will give you the size info here:
(All sizes minus message headers)
Krill part 1: 30241 bytes
Krill part 2: 16852 bytes
Krill part 3: 36486 bytes
Krill part 4: 42679 bytes
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please note: I only post these files to educate people what is currently
available. They are for informational purposes only and as such, should
NOT be taken at face value. There is NO substitute for research and
investigation. If you want to ridicule the information, fine...but I
draw the line at personal slams, so please do yourselves a favor and
avoid ad homenim attacks and we will get along fine. Let's endeavor
to be a notch above the sci.skeptics and alt.paranormal obnoxiousness :-)
As a rule, I try to avoid any editorilizing and pretty much leave it up
to you to do with as you see fit.
Don
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: FILE: OH Krill part 1
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. The
content of this information does NOT necessarily reflect the personal
views of the poster,nor should the views,opinions,statements or claims
represented in the following be accepted by anyone reading these texts
at *face* value. If this interests you, please endeavor to research it
yourself and investigate it to *your* satisfaction, and as such I will
leave it in your hands to either prove it or de-bunk it :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
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* CONFIDENTIAL *
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A SITUATION REPORT ON OUR ACQUISITION OF ADVANCED
TECHNOLOGY AND INTERACTION WITH ALIEN CULTURES
JANUARY 1988
BY
O.H. KRILL
ABSTRACT
Throughout the forty year period when UFO have been actively
observed in our civilization, a lot of data has been gathered --
data which has often pointed to aspects of the phenomena that have
been supressed. As a result of the suppression and
compartmentalization of the information, our culture has been
fragmented into several levels of "reality" which both co-exist
and oppose each other. Part of our culture does not or will not
believe in the existence of other species; part of our culture
acknowledges their existence or the probability of their
existence; part of our culture is actually interacting with the
other species. These simultaneous realities contribute to the
condition of extreme confusion in which we find ourselves.
Research into UFO's follows a similar pattern. Some view the
matter in a completely empirical perspective; others search for
patterns and functional relationships in events; still others go
out and ask the right questions at the right time and get answers.
Some of those answers that have appeared are, to some people,
quite disturbing and fantastic.
All in all, we are dealing with new concepts in physics, new
concepts in psychology, and the gradually growing awareness that
we are not only not alone here, but we have never been alone here.
As if that were not enough, it turns out that factions of our
society have known this, and apparently have been interacting with
some of these alien species for quite a while.
The bottom line is that all along, humanity has been led down
a false path, a path that has been plagued by layer upon layer of
conspiracies and disinformation. Technological knowledge and
absolute power have been the motives on the human side. Survival
has been the motive on the alien side, or at least as far as the
predominant alien visitors are concerned.
The intent of this paper is to bring much of the details
regarding this into the open. You are not being asked to believe
it, but to consider it in the light of what has happened, what is
happening, and what may be developing right under our very noses.
If you find that you cannot stomach such thoughts, or that you
cannot deal with it, read no further.
It is quite evident, or it should be, that the UFO situation
is both complex and dangerous. The UFO problem is a multi-
situational and multi-dimensional phenomena. We have established
the following as having a basis in fact:
o Craft from other worlds have crashed on Earth.
o Alien craft are from both ultra-dimensional sources
and sources within this dimension.
o Early U.S. government efforts at acquiring alien
technology were successful.
o The U.S. government has had live alien hostages at
some point in time.
o The government has conducted autopsies on alien
cadavers.
o U.S. intelligence agencies, security agencies, and
public agencies are involved in the coverup of facts
pertaining to the situation.
o People have been and are currently abducted,
mutilated, murdered and kidnapped as a result of the
UFO situation.
o There is a current active alien presence on this
planet among us that controls difference elements of
our society.
o Alien forces maintain bases on Earth and on the Moon.
o The U.S. government has had a working relationship
with alien forces for some time, with the express
purpose of gaining technology in gravitational
propulsion, beam weaponry and mind control.
o Millions of cattle have been killed in the process
of acquiring biological materials.
o Both aliens and the U.S. government are responsible
for mutilations, but for different reasons.
o We live in a multi-dimensional world that is
overlapped and visited by entities from other
dimensions. Many of these entities are hostile.
Many are not hostile.
o The basis of our genetic development and religions
lies in intervention by non-terrestrial and
terrestrial forces.
o Actual technology far exceeds that perceived by
the public.
o The United States space program is a cover operation
that exists for public relations purposes.
o People are being actively killed in order to suppress
the facts about the situation. The CIA and the NSA
are involved so deeply that exposure would cause
collapse of their overt structure.
o Facts indicate alien overt presence within five to
ten years.
o Our civilization is one of many that have existed in
the last billion years.
You will probably have more conclusions. To see, just read on....
Animal Mutilations and UFOs
General Chronology
In the middle of 1963, a series of livestock attacks occurred
in Haskell County, Texas. In a typical case, an Angus bull was
found with its throat slashed and a saucer-sized wound in its
stomach. The citizenry attributed the attacks to a wild beast of
some sort, a "vanishing varmint." As it continued its furtive
forays through the Haskell County outback, the bloodluster assumed
somewhat more mythic proportions and a new name was destined to
endure: The Haskell Rascal.
Throughout the following decade, there would be sporadic
reports of similar attacks on livestock. These attacks were
occasionally described as "mutilations." The most prominent of
these infrequent reports was the mutilation death of "Snippy" the
horse in southern Colorado in 1967, accompanied by area UFO
sightings, a Condon Committee investigation and worldwide press
coverage.
It was in 1973 that the modern animal mutilation wave can be
said to have begun in earnest. That year is generally thought of
as the year of the last concerted UFO flap, although there may be
reason to question that contention, given the events of two years
later.
In 1973 and 1974 the majority of the classic mutilation
reports originated in the central United States.
In 1975, an unprecedented onslaught spread across the western
two-thirds of the United States. Mutilation reports peaked in that
year, accompanied by accounts of UFOs and unidentified
helicopters. In 1978, the attacks increased.
By 1979, numerous livestock mutilations were occurring in
Canada, primarily in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Attacks in the
United States leveled off.
In 1980, there was an increase in activity in the United
States. Mutilations have been reported less frequently since that
year, though this may be due in part to an increased reluctance to
report mutilations on the part of ranchers and farmers. The
mutilations still continue. Over ten thousand animals have died in
the United States; although the mutilations have been occurring
worldwide, the same circumstances are always present.
General Observations
Any investigation which intends to probe the systematic
occurrence of the mutilation attacks upon livestock and other
animals must include within its purview certain factors which may
or may not be directly related to the acts of mutilation
themselves. These mutilations -- the killing and furtive removal
of external or internal parts -- have been directed at literally
thousands of animals (primarily livestock) since the 1960s. The
surgery on these animals is primarily conducted with uncanny
precision, suggesting the use of highly sophisticated implements
and techniques. The numbing and persistent regularity of the
mutilations and the seemingly casual disposal of the useless
carcasses all hint at extreme confidence -- even arrogance -- of
the mutilators. It is an arrogance which appears to be justified
by the freedom and impunity with which these acts have been
carried out.
The pertinence of a specific element of the problem is
shortly revealed in the course of any thorough investigation into
the mutilations. I refer to the appearance of unmarked and
otherwise unidentified helicopters within a spatial and temporal
proximity of animal mutilation sites. The occurrence of the two has
been persistent enough to supercede coincidence.
These mystery helicopters are almost always without
identifying markings, or markings may appear to have been painted
over or covered with something. The helicopters are frequently
reported flying at abnormal, unsafe or illegal altitudes. They may
shy away if witnesses of law officers try to approach.
There are several accounts of aggressive behavior on the part
of the helicopter occupants, with witnesses chased, "buzzed,"
hovered over or even fired upon. At times these choppers appear
very near mutilation sites, even hovering over a pasture where a
mutilated carcass is later found. They may be observed shortly
before or after mutilations occur -- or within days of a
mutilation. The intention here is merely to stress that the
"mystery helicopter" element is a part of the issue which deserves
scrutiny.
The idea of "mystery helicopters" did not develop
concurrently with the animal mutilations themselves. Such
helicopters -- unmarked, flying at low levels, soundless (or
sounding like helicopters) -- have been reported for years, and
have been linked to an even more widespread phenomenon -- the
"phantom" (fixed wing) aircraft. The helicopters themselves have
been seen in area where UFOs were reported, in many countries. In
some of the more interesting accounts, the mystery helicopters
were seen with UFOs, or shortly after the UFOs were sighted.
The most apt case I can think of, but certainly not the most
isolated, is a case described by Virgil Armstrong in his lecture
on "What NASA Didn't Tell Us About the Moon." He discusses
helicopters and UFOs in general.
Armstrong describes a friend of his that had invented a
special camera arrangement with the idea that it would increase
the chances of getting good pictures of UFOs. The camera was
mounted on a gunstock along with a laser. The idea was to fire the
laser at the UFO, if one appeared, and hopefully the UFO would
come to a halt, enabling him to take some quality pictures.
Not too long after they were set up in the desert, a UFO did
in fact appear, and they fired the laser and the disk stopped in a
hovering mode. They took quite a few good pictures of it. Shortly
thereafter, the disk flew away. Within minutes, they heard the
unmistakable sound of helicopters coming their way. The
helicopters landed strategically around their group, and out of
the choppers came a croup of Black Berets, which are strategic Air
Force security forces. The commander of the Berets walked up to
the group and said, "What are you doing here?" "Obviously, we are
photographing flying objects, and we just saw a flying saucer and
we got some very very good pictures of it." The commander then
asked the leader of the group if he knew where he was. The group
leader replied "No." The commander then said, "We suggest you get
out of here right now!" The group leader then asked, "What right
do you have to tell us to get out of here? Is this government
land?" The commander of the Black Berets replied, "Indeed it is.
It is Andrews Air Force Base, and if you are not out of here in
ten minutes, you are under arrest." With that, the Berets removed
the film from the camera, and the group left.
Not only does this illustrate one kind of instance where UFOs
are seen in relationship to helicopters, but it also illustrates
the fact that either some of the disks are ours, or we have a
military/government relationship with those who fly them. The
helicopters mentioned above are not the mystery ones, but were
United States military ones.
Another case of military helicopters and United States-owned
disks comes from the book "UFO Crash at Aztec," by Wendell
Stevens. In the book he relates the incident where an Indian was
backpacking in the mountains in the vicinity of Area 51, Groom
Lake, on the Nellis AFB range north of Las Vegas. He heard
approaching helicopters and hid out of sight. The helicopters were
broadcasting a warning over public address systems for anyone in
the area to show themselves because they were going to conduct a
"dangerous military test." The Indian maintained his hidden
posture, and the helicopters flew overhead and back down toward
the Groom Lake facility. Minutes later, two helicopters were seen
flying up the canyon with a black disk flying between them and
slightly above them. They flew overhead and then the helicopters
turned around and flew back towards the base, followed shortly
afterward by the disk. The individual's name and how to contact
him for further details is given in the book.
The Mystery Choppers
Situations involving the mystery helicopters appear to be a
little more insidious. A good example is an event which occurred
in Madison County, Montana, between June and October of 1976.
Twenty-two confirmed cattle mutilations had occurred during that
period, and they were accompanied by reports throughout the county
of silent, unmarked, jet-black helicopters, flashing or steady
anomalous lights in the air and near the ground, unmarked fixed-
wing aircraft and white vans in remote and previously inaccessible
areas.
Toward the latter part of this period, in early autumn of
1976, a hunter from Bozeman, Montana, was out alone around 3:00pm
one day in the Red Mountain area near Norris. He watched as a
black helicopter without markings flew overhead and disappeared
below a small hill. The curious hunter climbed to the top of the
hill. There was the black chopper (a Bell Jet Ranger, he thought)
on the ground, the engine still running. Seven men had apparently
exited from the craft and were walking up the hill toward the
observer. As the hunter advanced toward the seven, he waved and
shouted congenial greetings. It was then that he realized there
was something about the men -- they were all Oriental. They had
slanted eyes and olive skin and were jabbering among themselves in
some indecipherable language. They wore "everyday" clothes, not
uniforms. Suddenly they began to return to the helicopter. The
hunter, still waving and shouting friendly greetings, started
after them. The Orientals quickened their pace. When the hunter
approached within five or six feet, they broke into a dead run,
crowded into the chopper and took off.
In a documented "mystery helicopter" wave in England,
accounts place Oriental-appearing occupants in an unidentified
chopper. Slant-eyed, olive skinned, Oriental-seeming occupants
have been a staple at the heart and at the periphery of UFO
accounts for years. Significant numbers of the infamous "men-in-
black" (MIB) have a similar appearance, but very often they are
seen as very pale and gaunt men who are sensitive to light.
In STIGMATA No. 5 (Fall-Winter 1978) Tom Adams outlined the
most prominent speculative explanations accounting for the
mutilation/helicopter link, including the following:
o The helicopters are themselves UFOs, disguised to
appear as terrestrial craft.
o The choppers originate from within the U.S.
government/military and are directly involved in
conducting the actual mutilations.
o The helicopters are government/military and are not
involved in the mutilations but are investigating
them.
o The helicopters are government/military, and they
know about the identity and motives of the
mutilators and by their presence, they are trying to
divert attention to the possibility of involvement
by the military.
The answer, as far as Tom Adams is concerned, could be a
combination of the above explanations. There also has been
speculation that they are involved in biological experiments with
chemical or biological warfare or the geobotanical pursuit
of petroleum and mineral deposits. On one occasion, an army
standard-type scalpel was found at a mutilation site. Since the
disks have been mostly involved with the mutilations, it is
thought that this was a diversionary event.
These events, or the discussion of them, is just the
precursor to the actual revelations of what is behind the
mutilations: alien acquisition of biological materials for their
own use. To discuss this in a logical and sequential manner, we
must review what has been really happening right under our noses:
direct interaction with extraterrestrial biological entities
(EBE's). To discuss that, however, we must attempt to start at the
beginning with what we now know to be true.
The Saga Begins
It seemingly all began thousands of years ago, but for the
purposes of this discussion, let's start with some events that we
all are familiar with. In 1947, two years after we set off the
first nuclear explosion that our current civilization detonated,
came the Mantell episode, where we had the first recorded incident
of a military confrontation with extraterrestrials that resulted
in the death of a military pilot. It is quite evident now that our
government did not known quite how to handle the situation. In
1952, the nation's capital was overflown by a series of disks. It
was this event which led to the involvement of United States
security forces (CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI) to try to keep the situation
under control until they could understand what was happening.
During this period, the government established a working group,
known as Majestic Twelve (MJ-12). The original members were:
Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, Dr. Vannevar Bush, Secretary
James Forrestal, General Nathan P. Twining, General Hoyt S.
Vandenburg, Dr. Detlev Bronk, Dr. Jerome Hunsaker, Mr. Sidney W.
Souers, Mr. Gordon Gray, Dr. Donald Menzel, General Robert M.
Montague, and Dr. Lloyd V. Berkner.
The MJ-12 group has been a continuously existing group since
it was created, with new members replacing others that die. For
example, when Secretary Forrestal was upset at seeing the United
States sold out in World War II, he wound up being sent to a Naval
hospital for emotional strain. Before relatives could get to him,
he "jumped out a 16th story window." Most persons close to him
consider his suicide contrived. When Forrestal died, he was
replaced by General Walter B. Smith.
In December of 1947, Project Sign was created to acquire as
much information as possible about UFOs, their performance
characteristics and their purposes. In order to preserve security,
liaison between Project Sign and MJ-12 was limited to two
individuals within the intelligence division of the Air Materiel
Command whose role it was to pass along certain types of
information through channels. Project Sign evolved into Project
Grudge in December, 1948. Project Grudge had an over civilian
counterpart named Project Bluebook, with which we are all
familiar. Only "safe" reports were passed to Bluebook. In 1949,
MJ-12 evolved an initial plan of contingency called MJ-1949-04P/78
that was to make allowance for public disclosure of some data
should the necessity present itself.
Majestic Twelve was originally organized by General George C.
Marshall in July, 1947, to study the Roswell-Magdalena UFO crash
recovery and debris. Admiral Hillenkoetter, director of the CIA
from May 1, 1947, until September, 1950, decided to activate the
"Robertson Panel," which was designed to monitor civilian UFO
study groups that were appearing all over the country. He also
joined NICAP in 1956 and was chosen as a member of its board of
directors. It was from this position that he was able to act as
the MJ-12 "mole," along with his team of other covert experts.
They were able to steer NICAP in any direction they wanted to go.
With the "Flying Saucer Program" under complete control of MJ-12
and with the physical evidence hidden away, General Marshall felt
more at ease with this very bizarre situation. These men and their
successors have most successfully kept most of the public fooled
for 39 years, including much of the western world, by setting up
false experts and throwing their influence behind them to make
their plan work, with considerable success. Until now.
Within six months of the Roswell crash on 2 July 1947 and the
finding of another crashed UFO at San Augustine Flats near
Magdalena, New Mexico, on 3 July 1947, a great deal of
reorganization of agencies and shuffling of people took place. The
main thrust behind the original "security lid," and the very
reason for its construction, was the analysis and attempted
duplication of the technologies of the disks. That activity is
headed up by the following groups:
o The Research and Development Board (R&DB)
o Air Force Research and Development (AFRD)
o The Office of Naval Research (ONR)
o CIA Office of Scientific Intelligence (CIA-OSI)
o NSA Office Of Scientific Intelligence (NSA-OSI)
No single one of these groups was supposed to know the whole
story. Each group was to know only the parts that MJ-12 allowed
them to know. MJ-12 also operates through the various civilian
intelligence and investigative groups. The CIA and the FBI are
manipulated by MJ-12 to carry out their purposes. The NSA was
created in the first place to protect the secret of the recovered
flying disks, and eventually got complete control over all
communications intelligence.
This control allows the NSA to monitor any individual through
mail, telephone, telexes, telegrams, and now through online
computers, monitoring private and personal communications as they
choose. In fact, the present-day NSA is the current main extension
of MJ-12 pertaining to the "Flying Saucer Program." Vast amounts
of disinformation are spread throughout the UFO research field.
Any witnesses to any aspect of the program have their lives
monitored in every detail, for each has signed a security oath.
For people who have worked in the program, including military
members, breaking that oath could have any on of the following
direct consequences:
o A verbal warning accompanied by a review of the
security oath.
o A stronger warning, sometimes accompanied by a brow-
beating and intimidation.
o Psychologically working on an individual to bring on
depression that will lead to suicide.
o Murder of the person made to appear as a suicide or
accident.
o Strange and sudden accidents, always fatal.
o Confinement in special "detention centers."
o Confinement in "insane asylums" where they are
"treated" by mind-control and deprogramming
techniques. Individuals are released with changed
personalities, identities, and altered memories.
o Bringing the individual into the "inside," where he
is employed and works for "them," and where he can be
watched. This is usually in closed facilities with
little contact with the outside world. Underground
facilities are the usual place for this.
Any individual who they perceive to be "too close to the
truth" will be treated in the same manner. MJ-12 will go to any
length to preserve and protect the ultimate secret. As we will see
later, the characteristics of what this ultimate secret would turn
out to be would change drastically, for it was something even MJ-
12 could not predict -- actual contact with alien groups.
How the actual contact between the government and aliens was
initially made is not known, but the government was made aware
that it could be done by a civilian using the right equipment.
Dr. Paul Bennewitz, civilian scientist, did so using computer
equipment and informed the government he had done so, not
realizing that by then, in 1983, that the government was in truth
as deep into dealing with the aliens as his communications with
them revealed. Dr. Bennewitz lives next to Manzano Weapons Storage
Area in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He observed UFOs constantly over
the area and initially decided that they were a threat to the
installation. He proceeded to figure out a coding system and
attempted and was successful in communicating with the aliens that
were flying over that area.
What he found out is that after initial contacts with the
aliens years ago, we agreed to to provide them with bases
underground in the United States in return for certain
technological secrets which the aliens would reveal to us. The
aliens would also be allowed to carry out certain operations,
abductions, and mutilations without intervention.
The original contact between the government and the
extraterrestrial biological entities, who are grey in color and
about 3.5 to 4.5 feet high (hereafter referred to as the Greys),
was achieved between 1947 and 1951. We knew that the Greys were
instrumental in performing the mutilations of animals (and some
humans) and that they were using the glandular substances derived
from these materials for food (absorbed through the skin) and to
clone more Greys in their underground laboratories. The government
was also aware that the Greys performed some of the abductions to
secure genetic materials. The government insisted that the Greys
provide them with a list that would be presented to the National
Security Council.
Through all this, the government thought that the Greys were
basically tolerable creatures, although a bit distasteful. They
presumed at the time that it was not unreasonable to assume that
the public would and could get used to their presence. Between
1968 and 1969 a plan was formulated to make the public aware of
their existence over the succeeding twenty years. This time period
would culminate with a series of documentaries that would explain
the history and intentions of the Greys.
The Greys assured us that the real purpose of the abductions
was for monitoring of our civilization, and when we learned that
the abductions were a lot more frequent and insidious than we were
led to believe, the government became concerned. Their concern was
also based on additional information regarding the purposes for
the abductions:
o Insertion of a 3mm spherical biological monitoring
device through the nasal cavity into the brain of the
abductee.
o Implementing subliminal post-hypnotic suggestions
that would compel the abductee to perform some
specific act at a time to be within the next two
to five years.
o Genetic crossbreeding between the Greys and human
beings.
o Insertion of discoid monitoring devices into the
muscle tissue of the abductees. Presence of these has
been verified by x-ray.
By the time we had found out the truth about the intentions
of the Greys (they intend to stay here and stay in control of our
world) it was too late. We had already "sold out" humanity. Not
that it would have made any difference, because they were here
doing what they were doing anyway.
In 1983, a story was outlined by government sources that said
that the Greys are responsible for our biological evolution
through manipulation of the DNA of already evolving primates on
this planet. Various time intervals of the DNA manipulation were
specified for 25,000, 15,000, 5,000, and 2,500 years ago.
Originally, the government thought that the Greys meant us no
harm, but today, in 1988, the picture that is emerging is exactly
the opposite. The story now is one of great deception at several
different levels: the Greys Trojan Horse-style manipulation and
lying which allied MJ-12 forces with them four decades ago; the
government's disinformation of the subject of UFOs in order to
perpetuate the agreement with the Greys free of public scrutiny;
the lies to the abductees; the Greys on-going abduction of people
and mutilation of animals in order to harvest enzymes, blood and
other tissues for their own survival needs; and a genetic blend of
the Grey race and a tall Nordic race to enable Grey interface with
humans to be done with greater ease.
Information from a source at a southwest Army base reveals
that these multiple levels of deception are true. It is also
indicated that the goal of SDI (Star Wars) is actually to follow
through with an attack, proposed by the Greys, on the Nordics when
they arrive en masse between now and 1992. This time schedule
seems to match with the post-hypnotic programming of many
abductees for actions between the next two to five years.
This same source sees the world dominated and controlled by
the Greys in a way similar to that portrayed in the "V" television
series -- they are concerned only for their own survival agenda,
and this agenda requires biological substances from other life
forms on our planet.
The apparent reasoning for the Grey preoccupation with this
is due to their lack of a formal digestive tract and the fact that
they absorb nutrients and excrete waste directly through the skin.
The substances that they acquire are mixed with hydrogen peroxide
and "painted" on their skin, allowing absorption of the required
nutrients. It is construed from this that some weaponry against
them might be geared in this direction.
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A SITUATION REPORT ON OUR ACQUISITION OF ADVANCED
TECHNOLOGY AND INTERACTION WITH ALIEN CULTURES
by O.H. KRILL
Observations by a Visiting Nordic
In October, 1987, UFO researcher George Andrews was
successfully able to contact one of the Nordics not associated
with the Greys, through a woman in California. What follows are
the comments made by the alien:
"Were you a culture about to invade, you would not do it with
a flourish of ships showing up in the heavens and undergo risk of
being fired upon. That's the type of warfare slightly less evolved
beings get into. You would create intense confusion and
disagreement with only inferences to your presence -- inferences
which would [in turn] cause controversial disagreement.
"The Greys are insidious little fiends. They did exactly [to
us] what they're doing here [to you]. You are not on the verge of
an invasion. You are not in the middle of an invasion. The
invasion has already taken place. It's merely in its final stages.
"What would you invade? [Here he describes the operational
plan of the Greys from the beginning.] You would go to the most
secret of communities within a society. In the case of the United
States, you would go and infiltrate the CIA. You would take over
some of them and you would take over part of the KGB.
"You would create great dissension and disagreement between
factions of the public at large -- some groups saying they have
seen UFOs, others saying 'No, no, this is not possible.' You would
involve two major countries in an on-going idiotic philosophical
disagreement so that while the Soviet Union and the United States
constantly battle back and forth about who has which piece of
territory or whether one invades Iran or whether one invades
Afghanistan or whatever... whether one dismantles one nuclear
warhead or the other dismantles another group of warheads -- you
would sit back and laugh if you had the capacity to laugh.
"You would present yourself indeed to some in a group who
would protect you [CIA or MJ-12] thinking they had a secret more
secret and more perfect knowledge of something than anyone else on
this planet had, and they would covet you and you would trust
their own greed and you would trust their own mass stupidity to
trap them. And you'd do it on both sides.
"You'd show yourself to some of the mass populace to further
involve [factions of] the government in an attempt to shut them
up, to keep them even more busy quieting them and trying to 'stop
more information about UFOs from getting out.' You'd have the mass
populace to a state where they distrusted the government. 'Oh, why
don't they believe us? Why can't they understand that these things
are really happening? We're not crazy!'
"So you would have battles constantly about whether UFOs
exist or they don't exist. You would have the public and the
government at each other's throats. You would set two major
superpowers at each other's throats. And you would have set up
groups like 'haves' -- the wealthy but contented -- and the 'have-
nots.' You would plant the seeds of massive discontent.
"Eventually you might have some show of ships landing in the
1990s. One or two. By the time they have landed, be assured they
will be in complete control. You will start doing crossbreeds and
more crossbreeds, generation after generation.
"You bribe the government with a few tidbits -- a Star Wars
system. You tease and tempt the Soviet Union with a laser system
far finer than any of their own scientists could think of. And you
always have that subtle inference -- just on the borderline of
consciousness so that UFOs don't seem to believable, yet you keep
it couched in secrecy and make it seem quite so insane that no one
would believe them. On top of it, you would unleash forces that
would want to kill them [UFO contactees] if they disclosed that
the CIA is dealing with the exact same things the [contact victim]
is.
"Maybe one or two hundred years from now, some of the Greys
will even physically mingle and you may have some creatures
walking around who are pretty much hybrids between Greys and your
own race. For now, anything that walks around will look much like
yourselves. It's simpler. It holds down on mass panic.
"Everyone who has experiences with them [Greys] will be at
odds with the government. To add to that, we will go into a
complete phased of earthquake after earthquake and upheaval after
upheaval.
"The inner core of the CIA is deeply controlled by the Greys.
The CIA sees interaction with the Greys as a path to greater
scientific achievement.
"One reason you are seeing so many different kinds of UFOs is
that other cultures are watching with extreme interest. Scientists
from other cultures arrive to watch. The Greys have not only taken
over the intelligence agencies, they have also taken over what
those agencies call 'lunatic fringe groups.'"
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Well, that's what they Nordic had to say. The source of this
also makes the following commentary:
"The ultimate evil is that masked form of psychological
complacency that leads one to adhere to a group philosophy rather
than eke out one's own horizons. As soon as you acquire an
awareness of being a so-called 'chosen special group,' you are on
the way to a fall. That is the seed of destruction in any society
and any culture and it leaves it vulnerable. It will be the
eventual undoing of the Greys as well. They see not their error --
it is the very weakness they seize upon that is their own inherent
weakness. To try and change a Grey, or a cultish type of 'Star
Person,' or a CIA member is futile. It will happen, but all in its
own good time... it is the spirit that makes anyone stand up and
disagree with something that is untrue and incorrect that will be
the thorn in the side of the Greys, and the other forces that have
allied with them."
During the occupation of the Greys, they have established
quite a number of underground bases all over the world, especially
in the United States. One such base (among others in the same
state) is under Archuleta Mesa, which is about 2.5 miles northwest
of Dulce, New Mexico. Details about that base have come across by
way of two sources. The first source is by way of an abduction of
a woman and her son who witnessed the pickup of a calf for
extraction of biological materials.
"In May, 1980, a most interesting case occurred in northern
New Mexico. A mother and her son were driving on a rural highway
near Cimarron when they observed two craft in the process of
abducting a calf. Both of them were then abducted and taken on
separate craft to the underground installation, where the woman
witnessed the mutilation of the calf. It was alleged that she also
observed vats containing cattle body parts floating in a liquid,
and another vat containing the body of a male human. The woman was
subjected to an exam and it was further alleged that small
metallic objects were implanted into her body as well as into her
son's body. More than one source has informed us that catscans
have confirmed the presence of these implants."
The above extract is from a transcript of a conversation
between Jim McCampbell and Dr. Paul Bennewitz on July 13, 1984.
Bennewitz reports that through regressive hypnosis of the mother
and child (required only in about 30% of abduction cases)and his
own follow-up investigation (including communications receive via
his computer terminal, which are ostensibly from a UFO-related
source), he was able to determine the location of the underground
facility: a kilometer underground beneath Archuleta Mesa on the
Jicarilla Apache Indian Reservation near Dulce, New Mexico (since
1976, one of the area of the U.S. hardest hit by mutilations).
Bennewitz' information is that this installation is operated
jointly as part of an on-going program of cooperation between the
U.S. government and EBEs.
There are also underground bases at Kirtland AFB and Holloman
AFB, as well as at scores of other bases around the world,
including Bentwaters, England.
Back to the base under discussion.... After Bennewitz briefed
Air Force officials on what he had found, a trip to the area
revealed the following data:
The base is 2.5 miles northwest of Dulce, and almost
overlooks the town. There is a level highway 36 feet wide going
into the area. It is a government road. One can see telemetry
trailers and buildings that are five-sided with a dome. Net to the
domes, a black limousine was noted -- a CIA vehicle. These limos
will run you off the road if you try to get into the area. To the
north there is a launch site. There are two wrecked ships there;
they are 36 feet long with wings, and one can see oxygen and
hydrogen tanks. The ships that we got out of the trade are atomic-
powered with plutonium pellets. Refueling of the plutonium is
accomplished at Los Alamos. The base has been there since 1948.
Some of the disks are piloted by the NSA. The base is 4,000
feet long and helicopters are going in and out of there all the
time. When it became known that Bennewitz was familiar with this,
the mutilations in the area stopped. In 1979, something happened
and the base was temporarily closed. There was an argument over
weapons and our people were chased out. The aliens killed 66 of
our people, and 44 got away.
One of the people who in fact got away was a CIA agent who,
before leaving, made some notes, photos, and videotapes, and went
into hiding. He has been in hiding ever since, and every six
months he contacts each of five people he left copies of the
material with. His instructions were that if he missed four
successive contacts, the people could do whatever they want with
the material.
This agent calls an individual known to MUFON. Somehow, a
description of the "Dulce Papers" was issued, and was received in
December, 1987, by many researchers. The "Dulce Papers" were
composed of 25 black and white photos, a videotape with no
dialogue and a set of papers that included technical information
regarding the jointly occupied (U.S.-Alien) facility one kilometer
beneath the Archuleta Mesa near Dulce, New Mexico. The facility
still exists and is currently operational. It is believed that
there are four additional facilities of the same type, one being
located a few miles to the southeast of Groom Lake, Nevada.
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"A general description of what these papers contain is that
they contain documents that discuss copper and molybdenum, and
papers that discuss magnesium and potassium, but mostly papers
about copper. Sheets of paper with charts and strange diagrams.
Papers that discuss UV light and gamma rays. These papers tell
what the aliens are after and how the blood (taken from cattle) is
used. The aliens seem to absorb atoms to eat. They put their hands
in blood, sort of like a sponge, for nourishment. It's not just
food they want; the DNA in cattle and humans is being altered. The
'Type One' creature is a lab animal. They know how to change the
atoms to create a temporary 'almost human being.' It is made with
animal tissue and depends on a computer to simulate memory, a
memory the computer has withdrawn from another human. Clones. The
'almost human being' is slow and clumsy. Real humans are used for
training, to experiment with and to breed with these 'almost
humans.' Some humans are kidnapped and used completely. Some are
kept in large tubes, and are kept alive in an amber liquid.
"Some humans are brainwashed and used to distort the truth.
Certain male humans have a high sperm count and are kept alive.
Their sperm is used to alter the DNA and create a non-gender being
called 'Type Two.' That sperm is grown in some way and altered
again, put in wombs. They resemble 'ugly humans' when growing but
look normal when fully grown, which only takes a few months from
fetus-size.
"They have a short life span, less than a year. Some female
humans are used for breeding. Countless women have had a sudden
miscarriage after about three months' pregnancy. Some never know
they were pregnant, others remember contact some way. The fetus is
used to mix the DNA in types one and two. The atomic makeup in
that fetus is half human, half 'almost human,' and would not
survive in the mother's womb. It is taken at three months and
grown elsewhere."
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Well, that's what the "Dulce Papers" review says. There are
some pen and ink reproductions of some of the photos made in the
laboratories (3), an illustration of what one of the wombs looks
like (2' x 4'), an illustration showing one of the tubes where one
of the "almost humans" is grown, a page showing a simple diagram
of crystalline metal, pure gold crystal, and what looks like
either a genetic or metallurgical diagram or chart. Also attached
is what looks like an x-ray diffraction pattern and a diagram of
hexagonal crystals, with a comment that they are best for
electrical conduction.
It would appear that the last half of material in the
"review" applies to the supercrystalline metal used for hull
structure, or something along that line.
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Obviously, this is all rather bizarre from a certain point of
view -- any point of view, in fact. Nevertheless, material that is
supported by years of descriptions and multitudes of
corroborations must mean something, especially when bumped against
what is seen to be going on.
It is apparent from this and other data that has been
accumulated over the years, that there are underground bases and
tunnel complexes all over the world, and that more are being
constructed all the time. Many of you may recall the "Shaver"
mysteries and inner-earth city stories. Well, all that is true.
There are cities down there, amongst other things, and some of
them have nothing to do with the main subject of this paper.
They've been there for a long time.
Let's change direction for a moment. One individual by the
name of Lew Tery has been working on some ideas regarding UFOs and
geomagnetic anomalies. I will go into what he has discovered
(although the concept of the relationship is not new) and let you
judge that for yourself.
After purchasing aeromagnetic and gravitational anomaly maps
from the United States Geological Survey, it becomes evident that
there was indeed a valid connection between these areas and UFOs.
Mr. Tery gave a lecture in Arizona about that relationship, and
was subsequently harassed by the FBI, and told that the
information is "sensitive." Mr. Tery took the hint and declined to
talk publicly about it to the degree that he had been doing.
Both the aeromagnetic and gravitational (Bougier Gravity)
maps indicate basic field strength, as well as areas of high and
low field strength. Interestingly enough, the areas of maximum and
minimum field strength have the following:
o All have frequent UFO sightings.
o All are either on Indian Reservations, government
land, or the government is trying to buy up the land.
o Many of them, especially where several are clustered
together, are suspected bases areas and/or areas
where mutilations and abductions have historically
taken place.
In these observations, Mr. Tery has gone far, but he has gone
a little farther in noting that there are times when the UFOs are
seen in these areas. Through painstaking research, Mr. Tery found
that the sightings, as well as many abductions and mutilations,
occur:
o On the new moon or within two days before the new
moon.
o On the full moon or within two days before the full
moon.
o At the perihelion (moon closest to earth) or within
two days before the perihelion.
A glance at the nearest farmers' almanac will give you the
information you require as far as the days for this year or any
other one. There seems to be no concrete explanation for the
coincidence of the times and the events, but it is true.
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* CONFIDENTIAL *
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A SITUATION REPORT ON OUR ACQUISITION OF ADVANCED
TECHNOLOGY AND INTERACTION WITH ALIEN CULTURES
by O.H. KRILL
The Men in Black
All things considered, UFO research has become pretty much of
a circus today, and the most intriguing and controversial sideshow
skirting the edges is the question of the "silencers," or the
mysterious "Men in Black." There is a strong subliminal appeal in
these accounts of visits by mysterious dark-suited figures (I have
been visited myself, as have others I've known) attempting to
silence UFO witnesses. A typical situation would be that a witness
has a UFO sighting or UFO-related experience. Shortly thereafter
he is visited by one or more "odd"-looking men who relate to him
the minutest details of his experience, even though he has as yet
told no one for fear of ridicule or other reasons.
The men warn him about spreading the story of his experience
around and sometimes even threaten him personally, sometimes
obliquely, sometimes directly. Any evidence, if it exists, is
confiscated in one way or another. Sometimes the visit is for some
totally meaningless reason and the subject of UFOs is hardly
mentioned, if at all. But again, the men all seem to look alike.
We actually seem to find ourselves in close proximity to
beings who obviously must be directly connected in some way with
the objects themselves or the source behind them, yet they seem to
be functioning unobtrusively within the framework of our own
everyday existence.
The classic conception of an MIB is a man of indefinite age,
medium height and dressed completely in black. He always has a
black hat and often a black turtleneck sweater. They present an
appearance often described as "strange" or "odd." They speak in a
dull monotone voice, "like a computer," and are dark-complected
with high cheekbones, thin lips, pointed chin, and eyes that are
mildly slanted.
The visitors themselves are often on absurd missions. They
have reportedly posed as salesmen, telephone repairmen or
representatives from official or unofficial organizations. Their
mode of transportation is usually large and expensive cars --
Buicks or Lincolns, sometimes Cadillacs, all black, of course.
I might note at this point that their physical appearance
also has included beings that have pale-greyish skin, and that
some of them have been seen to have blond hair, yet they wear the
clothing and drive the cars previously described.
Their cars often operate with the headlights off, but ghostly
purple or greenish glows illuminate the interior. Unusual insignia
have been seen emblazoned on the doors and the license plates are
always unidentifiable or untraceable.
The fabric of their clothes has been described as strangely
"shiny" or thin, but not silky -- almost as if they have been cut
from a new type of fabric.
Their often mechanical behavior has caused them to be
described by some as being like robots or androids (think back to
the Dulce lab).
A lot of descriptions of some of these "folks" are pretty
bizarre. A businessman's family in Wildwood, New Jersey, was
visited by an unusually large man whose pants legs hiked up when
he sat down, revealing a green wire grafted onto his skin and
running up his leg.
There are other cases of MIB appearing on the other side of a
wet, muddy field after a heavy rain, but having no mud whatever on
their brightly shined shoes and in the bitter cold, out of
nowhere, wearing only a thin coat. Their shoes and wallets all
seem new and hardly broken in.
They are not alone. They seem to have faceless conspirators
in the nation's post offices and phone companies. Researchers and
witnesses often report their mail going astray at an unusually
high rate and being bothered by bizarre phone calls where they are
spoken to by metallic, unhuman-sounding voices.
Unusual noises on the phone, intensifying whenever UFOs are
mentioned, and voices breaking in on conversations, have all led
many people to suspect that their phones are being tapped.
One can't discuss the MIB for long without mentioning the
name of John A. Keel, an author who has written much about them.
Keel has done more than any other writer to publicize this bizarre
aspect of the UFO situation. Keel suggests that the UFO are part
of the environment itself and come from another time-space
continua; that most of the UFO phenomena is psychic and
psychological rather than physical. Well, I personally would not
define it that way, although those two components are certainly
deeply involved in what's going on.
The first noted appearance of the MIB was in 1947, at the
scene of the Maury Island incident, where some debris was ejected
from a disk, and subsequently recovered by officials, who loaded
them on an Army bomber which crashed on takeoff.
To illustrate a little how bizarre some of the incidents are
regarding the MIB, I have assembled a short list of some of the
more interesting factors in some cases:
o An ex-Air Force man is gassed and interrogated by MIB
after he has learned classified NASA secrets.
o Closeup photos of UFOs were seized from a teenager
who is also directly threatened by MIB.
o MIB sighted in the lobby of the U.S. State Department
leave a mysterious artifact.
o MIB pose as Air Force officers to silence witnesses.
o MIB tries to buy before-hours Coke and sings to birds
in trees.
o MIB disintegrates a coin in a witness' hand and tells
him that his heart will do the same if he talks.
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Throughout all this information, I have neglected to mention
some aspects of the psychology of the Greys. Dr. Paul Bennewitz,
in his original report to the government entitled "Project Beta,"
goes into some detail, which I will now discuss:
o The alien, either through evolvement or because the
humanoid types are "made," will exhibit tendencies
for bad logic. They appear to have more frailties
and weaknesses than the normal Homo Sapien.
o They are not to be trusted.
o Because of the aliens' apparent logic system, a key
decision cannot be made without higher clearance.
All are under control of what they call "The Keeper,"
yet it would appear that even this is not the final
authority. Delays as long as 12-15 hours can occur
for a decision.
o Because of this apparent control, individual
instantaneous decision-making by the alien is
limited. If the "plan" goes even slightly out of
balance or context, they become confused. Faced with
this, possibly, the humanoids would be the first to
run.
o Psychologically their morale is near disintegration.
There is pronounced dissension in the ranks -- even
with the humanoids.
o Because of their own internal vulnerability mind-wise
to each other, there is a basic lack of trust between
them.
o They appear to be totally death-oriented, and because
of this, absolutely death-fear oriented. This is a
psychological advantage.
o The prime, and weakest area discovered, probed and
tested is exactly what they have used, thinking it
their key strength -- that being the manipulation of
and control of the mind. Manipulated in reverse-
psychology they face a situation where they have a
vulnerable, integrated weakness.
o They totally respect force.
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Grey Physiology and Anatomy
The approximate height of most specimens is between 3.5 and
4.5 feet. The head, by human standards, is large in comparison
with the body. Facial features show a pair of eyes described as
large, sunken or deeply set, far apart or distended more than the
human, and slightly slanted as Oriental or Mongoloid. No ear lobes
or apertures on the side of the head were seen. The nose is vague.
One or tow holes have been mentioned. The mouth area is described
as a small slit or fissure. In some cases there is no mouth at
all. It appears not to function as a means for communication or
for food. The neck area is described as being thin, in some
instances not being visible at all because of the tightly-knit
garment. Most observers describe these humanoids as being
hairless. Some of the bodies recovered have a slight hair-patch
atop the head. Others have what appears to be like a silver
skullcap. There were no breathing attachments or communications
devices. This suggests telepathy with higher intelligence. In one
instance there was an opening in the right frontal lobe area,
revealing a crystalline network. This network implies the
development of a third brain.
The arms are described as long and thin, reaching down to the
knee section. The hangers each contain four fingers, with no
thumbs. Three fingers are longer than the other. Some are very
long. Some are very long. Others are very short. No description is
available of the legs and feet. Some pathologists indicate that
that section of the body was not developed as we would anticipate,
showing that some of these beings were adapted to life in the
water. There was a webbing effect between the fingers on most of
the specimens.
According to most observers, the skin is grey. Some claim it
is beige, tan or pinkish-grey. No reproductive organs or
capabilities were discovered. No phallus. No womb. Confirms
cloning mentioned by other sources. The humanoids appear to be
from a mold, sharing identical racial and biological
characteristics. There is no blood as we know it, but there is a
fluid which is greyish in color.
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The "Taxonomy of Extra-Terrestrial Humanoids," another
offering by George Andrews, yields some other observations:
o Working under the instructions of the humanoids
from Rigel (the Greys), CIA and former Nazi
scientists have developed and deployed malignant
strains of bacteria and viruses, including AIDS, in
order to exterminate undesirable elements of the
human population.
o The Greys are almost entirely devoid of emotions,
but can obtain a "high" by telepathically tuning in
the different kinds of intense human emotion, such
as ecstasy or agony. (Does that explain why UFOs
have always been seen in regions of war and human
conflict?)
o There are over 1,000 humans in the United States
alone who are the offspring of intergalactic or
extragalactic beings and terrestrial humans. (The
son of an acquaintance of [deleted in original]
is one.)
o Throughout recorded history, as well as during
prehistoric times, there has been constant genetic
manipulation of and interbreeding with humans in
order to breed out the less evolved simian traits.
The Nordic races have participated in this from the
beginning, and we are as much a part of them as we
might suppose.
o Greys have the ability to camouflage themselves as
tall Blonds through mental energy projection. Blonds
never project themselves as Greys. Some Blonds seen
with the Greys are physically real, but are
prisoners of the Greys who have either paralyzed
them or have destroyed their ability to teleport
through time and other dimensions. Note: A lot of
the material obtained by George Andrews has as its
source a Blond that is a time traveler that escaped
the Grey takeover of their system.
o Both Blonds and Greys have the ability to
disintegrate matter into energy and then
reintegrate the energy back into matter. This
ability allows them to pass through walls and to
transport abductees out of their cars with the
doors still locked.
o The original Rigelians were the Blonds until they
were invaded by the Greys, a parasitic race, who
took over and interbred with them. The original
Rigelians were the ones who seeded the earth. It
is because of this common ancestry that terrestrial
humanity is of such interest to both the Blonds and
the Greys.
o Terrestrial human females can be impregnated either
on board ship or while they sleep in their homes.
Males need not be manifested in visible form for
this to occur.
o The Blonds now habitate the Procyon system. The
conflict between the Blonds and the Greys is in a
state of temporary truce, although the conflict
between the Rigelian and the Sirius system is being
fought actively.
o The Blonds with speech abilities will respond
violently if attacked or threatened, but the
telepathic ones will respond peacefully.
o Blonds were sometimes mistaken for angels in
earlier centuries. They do not seem to age, and
consistently appear to be from 27 to 35 human years
old.
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Confused? Well, now you can see why the natural diversity of
the way things are are hard to sort out for the average
researcher. The probability that this information is true or
partially true remains fairly high, based on analysis of what we
know about abductions and general contact between humans and EBEs
that has been documented.
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Real Esoterica -- Sirius and the MIB
Let's regress for a moment back to the MIB. According to John
Keel, the MIB often state that they are representatives of the
"Nation of the Third Eye."
Based on some of the info we have already researched, it is
apparent that Sirius has been in contact with us for a long time.
According to George Hunt Williamson (one of the early contactees)
in his book "Other Tongues, Other Flesh," the earth allies of
Sirius, i.e., the secret societies, use the Eye of Horus as an
insignia. This symbol has also been seen on the MIB. Secret
societies believe that there is a Great White Lodge on earth. They
call it Shamballa -- and consider it to be the spiritual center of
the world. Now, theosophists such as Alice Bailey say that the
Great White Lodge is on Sirius. If the All-Seeing-Eye is a symbol
of Sirius' earth-allies and the MIB wear that symbol, and if
Shamballa represents the Great White Lodge on earth -- then the
MIB are emissaries of Shamballa. Sirius and Shamballa are two
sides of the same coin. This is verified in the book "The
Undiscovered Country," by Stephen Jenkins. Jenkins was told by
Buddhist priests that Shamballa was located in the constellation
of Orion.
The entrance to Shamballa on earth is usually placed in the
trans-Himalayan region. Some assert it is in the heart of the Gobi
Desert (where there have been allegations of crashed disks and
bases). According to the explorer Nicholas Roerich, there are
caves in the Himalayan foothills that have subterranean passages.
In one of the these passages, there is a stone door that has never
been opened, because the time for its opening has not yet arrived.
In 1930, Doreal founded the Brotherhood of the White Temple. He
says that the entrance to Shamballa is far underground. he goes on
to say that space bends around Shamballa, and that there is a warp
which leads into another universe.
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Let's get back to something we can have more of a direct
handle on. Many times psychics have been called upon by
investigative authorities to evaluate situations, and in many
cases what they have contributed has been very helpful.
This was done in the case of animal mutilations back in 1980
by Peter Jordan, who engaged several psychics to render their
impressions from photos and maps of mutilations and mutilation
areas. What follows is a condensation of what was found during
this exercise.
Name of Psychic: Ronald Mangravite
o This animal has been dead a few days.
o Some parts are decaying faster than others.
o There is an overload of electrolytes in the body
possibly due to injection of a citrate.
o Something wrong with blood. Picking up higher
portion of plasma which may be lymphatic fluid.
o Two men working on the animal. Very sharp surgical
knives.
o Men dressed in black. Jumpsuits. Shiny black nylon.
o Winch line coming down from chopper.
o Men are skilled ex-military.
o Something is going to be done with the tissue.
o Flurometry connection. Spectrophotometers.
o Choppers are brown or grey.
o Underground implications.
o Experimentation with different analytical techniques.
Name of Psychic: Elisabeth Lerner
o Paramilitary forces.
o A serious invasion of American privacy.
o Non-American Indians part of secret project.
o The word "Annide."
o The word "Carmine" or "Karmine."
o The symbol "dk."
o A new wave of mutilations will strike near southwest
New Mexico.
o The Hobart Company is involved in this.
(Refrigeration equipment?)
o Three huge, doughnut-shaped objects will be seen in
conjunction with these new mutilations.
o Breakthrough in research.
o Muscle relaxant injections.
o Someone with the name "Empeda."
o This is a Mexican operation.
o Names "Kielman" and "Kelman."
o Institution with many Lincoln Continentals and
Cadillacs.
o Laboratory underground.
o Lilly Pharmaceuticals.
o Roman numerals IVIII [sic].
o Name "Stephano."
o The number "1714."
o Last name "Audler."
o First name "Mase."
o Last name "Audli."
o Jet rocket labs nearby.
o Domes above the ground.
o Vehicle ID # MP 1936. Small jeeps.
o Last name "Plento."
o Initials "C.B.P." heads operation. Wears brown
military shoes. Army.
o Number "1161."
o Around an oil field.
o Place where oil crosses in an "X" pattern.
o Chemical engineering connections.
o Mustard.
o Periscope device on bottom of craft. Chopper called
"The Shark."
o Man with blond hair. English features. High forehead.
Wears square ring. Insignia reads "C.B.P." Has
something to do with ammunition. Colonel.
Name of Psychic: Nancy Fuchs
o Dusk scene. Men talking about some animal's throat.
Something missing.
o Cylindrical object.
o Long thick object inserted into jugular vein.
o Powerful energy flow emanating from device used to
kill cattle.
o Feeling of tremendous anger and hostility.
o Research implication. Minerals needed for research.
o Intimidation of rancher Gomez.
o Embryos.
o Thousands of samples needed for this breeding effect.
o Crossbreeding.
o Animal dies in seconds.
o Jolts of electricity through animal.
o Breeding and genetics involved.
o Army background.
o Liquid-filled shoes leave no prints.
o Marshall. Army. Cap with black rim and gold braid.
Pompous. White-haired. Very influential. Walks into
Pentagon whenever he pleases. Commission given 15-18
years ago for mutilation project when he was
overseas. Grand Marshall. Friend of General
MacArthur. Lives in Dakotas. Money invested. High-
priority issue. Tall. Heavyset. Only 17 people know
of this.
o Project with $2.5 million allocated early in game for
breeding experimentation. Late 1960s through
Pentagon. More and more money invested every year.
o Land wanted. Want to destroy ranchers prime source
of income.
o John Mitchell connected to this.
o Howard Hughes.
o Uranium connection.
o Picture complex. Faction-ridden.
o Interest in speeding up growth of cattle.
o Importance of pancreas.
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Well, there you have that little presentation. I don't know
what exactly to make of it, but there it is. Certainly a non-UFO
implication here, however, it only relates to THREE mutilations.
How about the other 10,000 -- most of which have the UFO
connection? What did I tell you about a multi-level reality?
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At this point, I will put some references and excerpts from
some volumes that I believe are relevant to all the things we've
been talking about. Where I feel it is applicable, I will comment
on them.
"The Goblin Universe"
(p222) The ability to materialize mental constructs is not
unknown. Suppose one creates a field with the mind that is strong
enough to attract supercharged particles. The particles are real
but unstable in their assemblage since the stability depends on
the intermediate mental component.
(p223) Physical aspect of UFOs and other phenomena lie in the
behavior of electromagnetic fields.
(p124) If all UFO incidents were chance encounters, someone
would have obtained a filmed record or a series of stills years
ago. The only way that such episodes can be engineered so that
they remain total mysteries is for the entities to have advance
knowledge of any situation before it occurs.
(p117, referencing John Keel) These entities labor to
cultivate belief in various frames of reference, and then they
create new manifestation which support those beliefs.
(p120) Illness is common after close contact with some
beings.
(p122) Guy Underwood classified primary geomagnetic currents
into three classes: water lines, aquastats, and track lines. Some
magnetic signals appear as spirals, others are linear. Gnats and
flies congregate above magnetic patterns.
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"Extra-Terrestrials Among Us"
(p2-3) On several occasions after UFOs flew over missile
sites, it was found that the targeting of the missiles had
changed, and the warheads had to be replaced.
(p3) On 22 June 1980 a UFO that was 10 miles in diameter was
reported over the Kuwait oil fields.
(p4) On July 30, 1985, a UFO over Mongolia that was 10 km in
diameter was reported heading south. It was sighted by a Chinese
jet and reported in the "Japan Times." The Unites States ignored
this report.
(p8) JANAP-146 specifies up to 10 years in prison and $10,000
in fines for anyone in government service who makes unauthorized
public statements about UFO phenomena. The British Official
Secrets Act makes similar provisions.
(p9) Many routes of UFOs take the form of an isosceles
triangle.
(p16) On September 14, 1978, a UFO as big as an ocean liner
flew over Italy, and over Rome on the 15th and 16th.
Comment: This was two weeks before Pope John Paul I was found
dead under suspicious circumstances. He was killed between
September 28-29. Autopsy was refused. It was rumored he intended
to reveal the Fatima message of 1917.
(p 20) UFOs dart around in daylight at speeds which cannot be
seen.
(p22) An individual having one CE experience usually has
another.
(p24) There is no basis to support psychiatric pathology for
UFO witnesses.
(p24) Dr. Brian T. Clifford (Pentagon) announces on October
5, 1982, that contact between U.S. citizens and extraterrestrials
on their vehicles is illegal. Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code
of Federal Regulations (adopted July 16, 1969, before the first
manned lunar landing) says that anyone guilty of this becomes a
wanted criminal to be jailed for one year and fined $5,000. The
NASA administrator is empowered to determine WITH OR WITHOUT A
HEARING that a person has been "ET-exposed" and impose
INDETERMINATE quarantine under armed guard, which cannot be broken
even by court order.
(p89) Mars has a history of transient phenomena.
(p90) Temporary brilliant spots on Mars were reported by
astronomers in 1890, 1892, 1900, 1911, 1924, 1937, 1952, 1954,
1967, and 1971. The distribution was non-random. Intensely dark
spots, transient in nature, were reported on Mars in 1925, 1952,
and 1954.
(p93) About 33% of abductees are able to remember the
experiences without hypnotic regression. 66% of the abductees were
alone when abducted.
(p94) Some abductees did not return but vanished permanently
or were found dead after a UFO encounter.
(p25) Records of the 687 B.C. battle between the Assyrians
and the Hebrews indicate that "a blast from heaven" reduced the
bodies of 185,000 Assyrians to ashes but left their clothes
intact.
(p145) Morris K. Jessup died under mysterious circumstances
after a copy of his book "Case for the UFO" was sent to the Chief
of the Office of Naval Research (ONR) in Washington.
(p146 -- comments from "Case for the UFO")
o Falls from the sky of flesh, blood, reptiles, etc.,
were due to either spoiled food or cleaning of
holding tanks.
o Comments describe TWO different space races who share
the planet with us without our knowledge. They are
not visitors -- they have been here longer than we
have. They feel more at ease in the ocean.
o The little men were almost wiped out by a serpent
race identified only as the "S-men." S-men are
ravenous for red meat, extremely materialistic, and
are greedy for power. Comment: Sounds like the Deros
of Shavarian fame.
(p147) Thanks to Allen Dulles in partnership with Reinhard
Gehlen, the Gestapo was transplanted intact into the United States
system as the CIA, without the knowledge or consent of American
citizens. Comment: Remember Reagan placing wreaths on graves of SS
stormtroopers at the 40th anniversary of WWII? Roots of that
symbolic gesture go deep.
(p147) Reference the Intelligence Identity Protection Act of
1981: Freedom to speak about anything but the CIA. Some claim that
concentration camps have already been built. Activation was sealed
by Executive Order Rex 84. The next REX exercise in in 1988.
(p148) Jessup: "I believe that space structures of 5-10 miles
in diameter are sufficiently large to produce intelligently
directed storms."
(p150) Alleged alien comment in annotated edition of "Case
for the UFO": "Men frozen helpless make good prey."
(p151) Dr. James E. McDonald thought that the Federal Power
Commission was evading the evidence concerning UFO involvement in
the total power failure that paralyzed New York on July 13, 1965,
and dared to say so in front of a Congressional committee.
(p152) On June 13, 1971, James E. McDonald was found dead
under mysterious circumstances, shot through the head with a
pistol by his side.
(p153) Murder disguised as suicide is one of the well-known
specialties of the CIA.
(p153) There is ample documentation suggesting that among the
highest-priority covert operations of the CIA are those supplying
heroin to the Mafia. The "war on drugs" is in fact a war on the
independent drug dealer who constitutes a threat to the Mafia
monopoly. Comment: Additional ways to subdue the population or
eliminate undesirables?
(p156) Karen Silkwood's murder disguised as auto accident.
(p159) George Adamski, contactee in the 1950s had a special
government passport. Possible CIA disinformation agent.
(p162) Although mutilations were reported in England as early
as 1904-1905, ("Winter of Weirdness"), the large-scale operations
there began in 1973.
(p163) A rancher and his sons saw a UFO as big as a hotel
which was accompanied by four smaller ones. Rectangular in shape,
300-400 feet long, and 60 feet high. A helicopter approached it
and turned into a small UFO.
(p163) Phantom cars appear on roads, follow people, and
disappear.
(p163) A rancher and his wife looked at a UFO 5/8 of a mile
away and reported that two appendages emerged from the egg-shaped
object.
(p164) Apparently UFOs have the capability of invisibility.
(p164) Materialization of a Bigfoot before a witness.
(p164) Dematerialization of Bigfoot before witness who shot
it with a 16-gauge shotgun at point-blank range into its stomach.
(p166) On August 21, 1975, a sheriff was chasing an unmarked
helicopter in his plane in southwestern Nebraska at 0430 when
the lights on the helicopter went out, and the only thing seem on
the ground was a missile silo.
(p166) About the time mutilations began in earnest (1973
wave), a new branch of science was beginning to develop --
biogeochemistry -- analysis of mineral and oil deposits by
analysis of tissues of herbivorous animals.
(p168) An elderly lady in Arkansas in 1979 injured herself
and was cut during a fall. The injuries were repaired by two
aliens, who gave her a piece of metal with pyramids and six-
pointed stars on it. The aliens told her they "consumed juice,"
but not the kind consumed by humans. Six weeks later, she was out
looking for her dog and spotted a horse lying on its side,
unconscious.
Two men in white, dressed like surgeons, were at work on the
horse. There were two Air Force helicopters parked in the
clearing, two men in Air Force uniforms, and the same two aliens
who had helped her after her fall. The lady was spotted by the
group and she was overtaken by a helicopter which flashed a blue
light on her which burned her clothing. Help arrived as the
helicopter retreated, and she was brought to the local hospital.
People having nothing to do with the hospital staff began turning
up to question her. After release she was harassed at all hours by
strangers who insisted on questioning her, repeating the same
questions over and over again. The couple moved to a different
state, only to have it start all over again. MUFON began
investigating this case, but as of 1986 had not yet made public
its conclusions. Research into the case began in 1980.
(p171) Tissue samples taken from a carcass revealed the
presence of chlorpromazine, a tranquilizer.
(p171 comment by Gabe Valdez) "Whoever is doing these
mutilations are highly organized and have a lot of resources."
(p172) The theory of biogeochemical basis for the mutilations
fails to account for the fact that mutilations are worldwide.
(p174) When FBI agent Rommel was given $50K to investigate
the mutilations in one district in New Mexico, all mutilations in
that district stopped during the year.
(p177) The Condon Report, Rommel Report, and the Warren
Report all have a resemblance.
(p177) The human tendency to avoid facing unpleasant facts
may allow parasitic entities to "farm us."
(p178) A seven-year-old heifer was found whose unborn calf
had been removed with breaking the placental bag.
(p181) U.S. Senate lied to by Pentagon in 1968 during Senate
hearings on UFOs.
(p200) In an anonymous letter to a Denver paper on April 8,
1983, it was told that the mutilations are being done by a secret
government group called Delta. Animal parts are used to test
effects of germ warfare and poison (cyanide and dioxin) they are
testing on civilians in America. Testing is associated with black
helicopters. Helicopters are also used to ferry heroin and
cocaine. Delta bases said to be all underground on Indian
Reservations. HQ for operations and where a lot of choppers are
based in 28 miles east of Albuquerque on I-40, then 14 miles north
on a dirt road into the Laguna Indian Reservation. Comment:
Disinformation attempt?
(p204, UPI story, February 2, 1984) Dr. James Womack at
Texas A&M University announced his discovery that humans share
"perfect match" chromosomes with cattle. The perfect match is with
portions of the 21st chromosome pair, a strand known to carry
characteristics of Mongolism or Down's Syndrome, associated with
mental retardation. Dr. Womack says, "We must have more in common
than previously believed."
(p205, 1984 letter) A recent arrival on the nutritional scene
is protomorphogens, or glandulars -- ground up glands of cattle. If
one takes these for a year you get "hooked" on them. Your own
glands stop producing hormones.
Many EBEs have no alimentary canals and no glands.
In some cancer clinics, these glandulars are used to treat
cancer victims, and so are glands from human fetuses.
(p206) What is happening with the mutilations would make
sense in human terms if the location on which the cattle grazed
was important, or the parts taken could be used geobiologically
(which they aren't).
(p208) UFOs are: Extraterrestrial, ultraterrestrial,
interdimensional, and time travelers.
(p208) Some UFOs behave as if the UFO itself was a living
organism. Comment: Refer to Trevor James Constable's book "Sky
Creatures," for a discussion of biological aeroforms, of "Flying
Saucers at Etibi-Raa," by Wendell Stevens for a discussion of just
that subject.
(p208) Entities with cyborg-like traits, having both
mechanical and biological features, turn up quite frequently in
reports.
(p208) It is odd that among the viruses there are some that
look like UFOs, like T. Bacteriophage. Do some UFO have the
ability to operate in the micro-dimension of viruses? Comment: In
the discipline of Yoga is noted the ability to become large or
small.
(p209) Anyone with more access to even one more dimension
than we have access to could evade our most carefully planned
investigations indefinitely.
(p210) Modern brain capacity: 1300cc
Cro-magnon man: 1400cc
Baskop man (megroid [sic] race): 1800cc
The last two appeared quite suddenly.
(p210) Theory of Max H. Flindt attributes paradoxically rapid
development of the human brain to interbreeding between primitive
humanity and ETs.
According to Flindt, schizophrenia is caused by subconscious
racial memory of the ET branch of the family tree, longing for
home. Considerable differences between glandular and nervous
systems between primitive humans and ETs would provide a basis for
traumatic tension associated with regressed memory.
(p210) Our civilization has forgotten the existence of other
intelligent beings in the universe.
(p211) The idea that Homo Sapiens is unique is becoming no
longer tenable.
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A SITUATION REPORT ON OUR ACQUISITION OF ADVANCED
TECHNOLOGY AND INTERACTION WITH ALIEN CULTURES
by O.H. KRILL
Well, as if this weren't enough, let's examine the basic
allegations that were raised by Gary Stollman when he held an
empty BB gun to David Horowitz on KNBC Channel 4, Los Angeles, in
October, 1987. Gary clearly though that he was alone in his
knowledge, and evidently turned to desperation to have the public
become aware of what he knew. For the sake of brevity, I will
simply summarize the allegations, and make comments where I wish
to do so:
o His physical father is in fact a clone created by
the CIA and alien forces.
o Cloning is a part of a plot to overthrow the U.S
government.
o The CIA maintains mental-retraining hospitals.
o Phones were turned off at Rohlman Psychiatric
Hospital in Cincinnati for 48 hours after his
arrival.
o A former CIA official had an interview on KPFK radio
in which he told a college audience that the CIA has
towed barges across New York Harbor that were
disease-ridden.
o The CIA may have created the AIDS virus to wipe out
the gay population. Comment: Hmmm, where have we
heard THAT before?
o The CIA assassinated John F. Kennedy and the 22
material witnesses who died with two years. Comment:
Hmmmm, I have heard that as well.
o He demands that the Air Force release all
information on UFOs.
o He demands that the information about Hanger 18 at
Wright-Patterson [AFB] be released.
o He relates that he spoke to a girl at Florida Junior
College who told him that seven of her friends had
been "replaced."
o The CIA doesn't trust people on computers.
o Individuals at the Optimist Boys School in Pasadena
were recruited by others and given false IDs and
birth certificates.
o There is a secret group led by the President's own
staff.
o There are beings around with the power to teleport
instantly and do the same to others; who can read
and control minds, and transform matter into other
forms and create it at will.
o He asks for a congressional investigation and
federal protection.
o He states that he cannot harm anyone with an empty
BB gun.
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Well, what do you think? [Name deleted in original, replaced
with the word "MUFON"] contacted Mr. Stollman's lawyer in
December, 1987, and told him that some of what Gary had said may
be true. His lawyer promptly made himself scarce.
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For some of you who keep an eye on the news, the President
(Reagan) has said some mighty interesting things in some speeches
of his:
To the students of Fallston High School in Fallston, Maryland, on
December 4, 1985, he said:
"I couldn't but -- one point in our discussions with General
Secretary Gorbachev -- when you stop to think that we're all God's
children, wherever we may live in the world, I couldn't help but
say to him, just think how easy his task and mine might be in
these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this
world from some other species from another planet outside in the
universe. We'd forget all the little local differences that we
have between our countries and we would find out once and for all
that we really are all human beings on this earth together.
"Well, I don't suppose we can wait for some alien race to
come down and threaten us...."
To the 42nd General Assembly of the United Nations, September 21,
1987:
"In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often
forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we
need some outside universal threat to make us recognize this
common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences
worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from
outside this world. And yet, I ask you, is not an alien force
already among us? What could be more alien to the universal
aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?"
Comment: Apparently Mr. Reagan doesn't realize that war is NOT
alien to the aspirations of peace -- it's always been here.
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Does Mr. Reagan know something that we know but the general public
doesn't know about what is happening and what will happen within
the next five years?
General Types of Entities
The Greys are known to be of three types:
o Grey 1: 3.5 feet tall. Large head. Large slanted eyes. Worship
Technology and don't care about us. Type popularized in
"Communion" by Strieber.
o Grey 2: Same general appearance, although has a different
finger arrangement and a slightly different face.
More sophisticated than Grey 1. They possess a degree
of common sense and are somewhat passive. It is not
known if they require the secretions needed by Grey 1.
o Grey 3: Same basic type. Lips thinner. Subservient to other
two types.
Other entities known to frequent this planet:
o Blonds/Swedes/Nordics: Known by any of these names. Similar to
us. Blond hair, blue eyes. Will not break law of non-
interference to help us. Would only intervene if the
Greys' activity would affect other parts of the
universe.
o Interdimensional: Entities that can assume a variety of shapes.
Basically of a peaceful nature.
o Short Humanoids: 1.5 to 2.5 feet tall, skin bluish in color.
Seen quite frequently in Mexico near Chihuahua.
o Hairy Dwarfs: 4 feet tall. Weigh about 35 pounds. Hairy.
Neutral. Respect intelligent life.
o Very Tall Race: Look like us but 7-8 feet tall. United with
the Swedes.
o Nordic Clones: Appear similar to us but with grey tinge to their
skin. These are drones created by the Greys. Child-
like mentality.
o Men-In-Black (MIB): Oriental or olive-skinned. Eyes sensitive to
light. Eyes have vertical pupils. Very pale skin in
some types. Do not conform easily to our social
patterns. Usually wear black clothes, drive black cars,
and wear sunglasses. In groups they all dress alike.
Sometimes time-disoriented. they cannot handle a
psychological "curve-ball" or interruption to their
plan. Often intimidate UFO witnesses and impersonate
government officials. Equivalent of our CIA. From
another galaxy.
Although there are some 40 or more known types of aliens visiting
our world at the present time, these are the most commonly seen
types.
Extract of information from: "UFO Contact from Undersea,"
Sanchez/Stevens
Section 1: Regression session, Filiberto Cardenas (subject)
Event date: 3 January 1979 UFO CEIII
During the regression session(s) the following
information came forth:
1. Subject was taken to one of three pyramid bases. Two pyramid
bases are under ocean, one on land. Subject was taken to base
between Berin and Santiago of the coast of Chile. Other underwater
base is in the Atlantic in an unspecified location. The base was
entered through an underwater tunnel. The aliens stated that they
had been there 36 months at that time.
2. Aliens told the subject that there were six (6) other
individuals whom the aliens had contacted.
3. Subject stated that the aliens voiced that they were eventually
going to make themselves known to the world.
4. Aliens stated that they control the Chinese, and they have
provided the Chinese with a device that can "paralyze cities and
towns completely."
5. Aliens stated that the device will cause a change that "is
going to be something for which the world cannot wait." The
Chinese are to provoke certain unspecified changes, and that in
those changes, "people who are negative will disappear."
6. Subject remembers seeing (future) scenes of people running
disoriented along roads, and that there is a disaster coming.
7. Details of underwater tunnel described as walls of " firmed
water," not rock. The ship evidently generated a force field which
repelled the water around it.
8. Devices were supposedly installed in subject's head by aliens.
Subsequent x-rays revealed nothing.
(Session 3)
1. First contact with these groups of aliens began 4,000 years
ago.
2. It has been thousands of years since this group last descended
to earth.
3. If progress on earth does not continue, aliens will use more
forceful demonstrations to get their point across that we must
have peace and progress.
4. Subject was interrogated for 15 days after the events by US
security and intelligence services.
5. Information from aliens had also to do with "an atrocity in the
plans certain forces on earth had planned."
6. Subject was seven years old when contact with aliens first
occurred.
7. Aliens have ability to dematerialize their craft.
8. Aliens stated that we should beware of other alien groups who
will present themselves in a good light but if they pursue "bad
objectives against us they could do two things. They could destroy
this planet with the same arms that this planet has, or on the
contrary, transport away all our arms in one operation, which
would take no more than 20 minutes of our time. They can be
visible or not, whatever they choose."
8. [sic] Treatise references 81 other crossbreeds from (negative)
aliens who have performed duties on earth. Half alien-half
earthling = Crossbreed
9. Aliens spoke of great portions of land and whole cities will
[sic] disappear. Mexico City and major cities in California.
History and Operations -- Operation Trojan Horse
The amusing little mystery of flying saucers slowly evolves
into a complicated series of coincidences and paradoxes as we
plunge deeper and deeper into the data, excluding nothing, and
considering everything as objectively as possible.
Our skies have been filled with "Trojan Horses" throughout
history, and like the original Trojan Horse, the SEEM to conceal
hostile intent.
Several facts are now apparent:
o The objects have always chosen to operate in a
clandestine manner, furtively choosing the hours of
darkness for their enigmatic activities over thinly-
populated areas, where the possibility of being detected
is slight.
o The hostility factor is further supported by the fact
that the objects chose, most often, to appear in forms
which we can readily accept and explain to our own
satisfaction -- ranging from dirigibles to meteors and
conventional-appearing airplanes.
o The objects of unusual configuration, undoubtedly
constituting a deceptive minority of all the
paraphysical objects flitting about in our atmosphere.
In other words, flying saucers are not at all what we have
hoped they were. They are a part of something else. John A. Keel
called that something else "Operation Trojan Horse."
When one really digs into UFO literature, it readily becomes
clear that the ultraterrestrials deliberately conveyed whatever
impression that would meet the available frame of reference for
that time.
Until 1848, the religious frame of reference was constantly
used by the phenomenon. As man's technology improved many of our
old beliefs were discarded and the "phenomenon" was obliged to
update its manifestations and establish new frames of reference.
No more objects were seen in 1947 than had been seen in 1847. We
were simply seeing them in a new way. A new game was being played
with us.
A new game has emerged: the artifact or hardware game. The
phenomenon has always obliged us by planting false evidence all
over the landscape.
UFO cultists trapped themselves into a hopeless situation
almost from the outset. The apparent purpose of most of the
landings seems to have been to advance belief in the frame of
reference, not to provide absolute proof that the frame of
reference is authentic.
Physical Evidence
All kinds of junk have fallen out of the sky throughout
recorded history. Ivan T. Sanderson has in his files extensive
lists that go back to Roman times. Ridiculous things such as stone
pillars and heavy metal wheels have come crashing out of the blue,
and there are countless cases of ice blocks, some weighing
hundreds of pounds, dropping all over this planet. The flying
saucers have been spewing all kinds of trash all over the
landscape. In nearly every instance, these materials always prove
to be ordinary earthly substances like magnesium, aluminum,
chromium, and even plain old tin. Each of these incidents give the
skeptics new ammunition.
Mysterious hollow spheres have also been dropping out of the
sky all over the world. Three such spheres were found in the
Australian desert in 1963. They were about 14 inches in diameter
and had a shiny polished surface. Efforts to open the spheres
failed, and they were turned over to the USAF. Other metal spheres
have dropped out of the sky in Mexico (1967) and Conway, Arkansas
(1967). The Mexican steel ball was identified as titanium, the one
in Arkansas steel.
Smaller colored spheres were found scattered over the French
countryside in 1966-67, as if it had been raining balls there.
Where is all this stuff coming from? The same place as the stone
pillars and blocks of ice. Innumerable cases of contact and
landings have been flushed down the ufological drain because of
the deliberate "negative factors." Sincere witnesses have actually
been ruined because the amateur UFO investigators have accused
them of being liars and worse.
Another fascinating game which the ufonauts play with a
vengeance is the "repair" gambit. Beginning in 1897, there has
been an endless stream of stories and reports, many from reliable
witnesses, on how they encountered a grounded UFO and observed the
occupants making repairs of some kind. The basic details in all
these stories are so similar that it seems as if the ufonauts are
following a carefully rehearsed procedure.
Generally speaking, there are three (3) types of beings
observed in relation to UFOs:
o Normal-looking people, including females.
o Oriental, dark-skinned beings.
o Unidentifiable creatures, who have made a real effort to
hide from witnesses.
Oddly enough, when all the reports and the data is in, the
scope of the phenomenon and the overwhelming quantity of reports
negates its validity. An analysis of cases indicates that flying
saucers are not, in most cases, stable machines requiring fuel,
maintenance, and logistical support. Most of them are, in all
probability, transmutations of energy from other dimensions and do
not exist in the same way that this paper exists.
The UFO phenomenon seems to be largely subjective: that is,
specific kinds of people become involved and are actually
manipulated by the phenomenon in the same way that it manipulates
matter. These subjective experiences are far more important to our
study that the "random" superficial sightings. We are obliged to
forget about the sightings and concentrate on the claims and
experiences of the contactees.
Thousands of UFO photos have been taken since 1882. There's
just one problem. With very few exceptions, no two UFO photos are
alike. The sightings force two unacceptable answers upon us:
o All the witnesses were mistaken or lying.
o Some tremendous unknown civilization is exerting an all-
out effort to manufacture thousands of different types of
UFOs and is sending them all to our planet.
The governments of the world overtly have maintained
variations of the first proposal. UFO enthusiasts accept the
second. There is a third proposal which merits some attention:
some "hard" objects definitely exist as temporary materializations
from other dimensions. They leave indentations in the ground when
they land. Witnesses have touched them and even been inside them.
These "hard" objects may be decoys to cover the multitudinous
activities of the "soft" objects. The "soft" objects hold one of
the keys of the mystery. There are countless sightings of objects
which changed size and shape in front of witnesses who often get
the impression that it was alive, that it was not behaving like a
mechanical object at all.
There is no question at all that there are intelligences that
can manipulate or materialize any kind of object into our
dimension. Let's take a look, for a second, at the electromagnetic
spectrum. As you know, our visual spectrum makes up a small
portion of the whole. Look at what's involved with UFOs:
Ultraviolet
Blue UFO ENTRY FIELD _________________
Cyan ____________________________________
Green Visible
Yellow
Red __________________ Spectrum
Magenta _________________
Infra-red UFO DEPARTURE
Heat FIELD
Radio
If you will relate this to cases that you are familiar with,
as far as appearance, spectrum shift when in flight, etc., you
will see the applicability of the above diagram.
When UFO stabilize in our dimension they radiate energy on
all frequencies and become glowing white. Radical maneuvers
require a frequency alteration, which produces color changes. It
is interesting to note that in Blue Book Report #14, they replaced
the phrase "Electromagnetic Phenomenon" with the word "Unknown" in
a majority of those cases. Why? There is no doubt that again, a
situation exists where we have multiple realities within the UFO
realm as well. It is clear that we are not dealing with random ET
visitors. It has an extreme element of intention to do with all of
it. Mutilations started in April, 1897, with the abduction of
Alexander Hamilton's calf, witnessed by several people. That is
one of the constants that has been with us that has not changed
frame of reference. How many people give thought to the three
dark-skinned wise men who appeared before the birth of Jesus,
spread the reality of the happening, and disappeared again. All
the dark-skinned men in threes. MIB. It makes you wonder. Hmmmm.
Charting the Enigma
Well, here we are again. Taking a sample of 33% of 10,000 or
so cases, or about 3,330 cases, we find that 730 are so-called
Type I, a low-level object observed and reported by reliable
witnesses. It was found that 2,600 were Type II, high-altitude
objects performing in a controlled manner and distinct from normal
aircraft and natural phenomena. The time of the sightings depends
on where you are. If you are in a rural area, sightings
conveniently begin after 10 p.m. A populated area would have them
between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. For some reason, in many "flaps,"
Wednesday had about 20.5% of the sightings. Hmmm.
Now, if the UFO phenomenon (and I dislike that word) had a
purely psychic basis then I would think there would be more
sightings on a Saturday, when people are statistically out and
about than on Wednesday. There are notable exceptions to
everything of course, one of which was the "flap" of August 16,
1966, which was on a Tuesday.
Reports seem to cluster within political boundaries of
states, as if there were a methodical exploration of states from
border to border. If the UFO were a natural occurrence, one would
expect otherwise.
Thousands of sightings can be fitted into the "great circle"
route, and often the dates are staggered so that it appears that
the phenomenon moves systematically from point to point.
Every state in the United States has from two to ten
"windows." These are areas where UFOs appear repeatedly year after
year. The objects will appear in these places and pursue courses
confined to sectors with a radius of about 200 miles. The great
circle from Canada (not to be confused with the traditional Great
Circle) in the northwest through the central states and back into
northeast Canada is a major window. Hundreds of smaller windows
lie within that circle. Another major window is centered in the
Gulf of Mexico and encompasses much of Mexico, Texas and the
Southwest.
As mentioned previously, many windows center directly over
area of magnetic deviation.
UFOs seem to congregate about the highest available hills in
these window areas. They become visible in these centers and then
radiate outward, traveling sometimes 100-200 miles before
disappearing again.
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Among the great heaps of neglected and ignored UFO data, we
find hundreds of "minipeople" accounts. These are very rarely
published anywhere because they tend to be so unbelievable. Most of
them are identical to the fairy and gnome stories of yesteryear.
Witnesses to these events can experience conjunctivitis, akinesia
(paralysis), amnesia, and the other effects often noted by
witnesses to more conventional events. One notable event is one
that occurred in Seattle, Washington, in the latter part of
August, 1965. A woman awoke around 2 a.m. and discovered she could
not move a muscle or make a sound. Her window was open, and
suddenly a tiny, football-sized dull-grey object floated through
the window and hovered over the carpet near her bed. Three legs
lowered from the object and it settled to the floor. A small ramp
extended from it and five or six tiny people clambered out and
seemed to work on some kind of repairs on the object. They wore
tight-fitting clothing. When they were finished, they got in and
the object took off and sailed out the window. At that point, she
was able to move. The case was investigated by J. Russell Jenkins
of Seattle.
You can readily see why almost none of these kinds of stories
ever appear in print, except in occult-oriented literature.
Nevertheless, if we hope to assess the true UFO situation, we must
examine all these stories. We can learn nothing by considering
only those incidents which are emotionally and intellectually
acceptable to us.
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TIME is one of the most important aspects of the UFO thing.
It plays a strange but significant role. Part of the answer may
not lie in the stars but in the clock ticking on your fireplace.
Our world exists in three dimensions. We can move in many
directions within these dimensions. Space does not exist except
when we make it exist. To us, the distance between atoms in our
matter is so minute that it can only be calculated with
hypothetical measurements. Yet, if we lived on an atom, and our
size was relative to its size, the distance to the next atom would
seem awesome.
There is another man-made measurement called time. Unlike the
other three dimensions, time has us seemingly trapped. Time
becomes very real to us, and it appears that we couldn't live
without it. Yet time doesn't really exist at all. This moment
exists to us. Does this mean the same moment is being shared by
other planets?
The UFO phenomenon does seem to be controlled. It does follow
intelligent patterns. If the objects themselves are manifestations
of higher energies, then something has to manipulate those
energies somehow and reduce them to the visible frequencies. Not
only do they enter the visible frequencies, but they take forms
which seem physical and real to us, and they carry out actions
which seem to be intelligent.
Thus we arrive at the source. The source has to be a form of
intelligent energy operating at the highest possible point of the
frequency spectrum. If such an energy exists at all, it might
permeate the universe and maintain equal control of each
component part. Because of its very high frequency, so high that
the energy particles are virtually standing still, the source has
no need to replenish itself in any way that would be acceptable to
our environmental sciences. It could actually create and destroy
matter by manipulating the lower energies. It would be timeless,
because it exists beyond all time fields. It would be infinite
because it is not confined by three-dimensional "space."
Children. Children figure neatly into this, and they always
have. The child's mind, especially before the so-called age of
reason when the logic circuits begin to form, is a clear
instrument, open and uninfluenced by opinions and conclusions.
This is an important point in the UFO mystery.
Perhaps if we were in a pure energy state, each particle of
energy would itself serve as a synapse, and information could be
stored by a slight alteration in frequency. All the memory
fragments of a rose, for example, would be recorded at one
frequency, and the whole energy form could tune into that memory
by adjusting frequencies, as we might adjust a radio receiver. In
other words, no complex circuitry would be required. No body would
be necessary. The energy patterns would not need material form. It
would permeate the entire universe. It could surround you
completely at this very moment and be aware of all the feeble
impulses of low energy passing through your brain. If it so
desired, it could control those pulses and thus control your
thoughts. Man has always been aware of this intelligent energy or
force. He has always worshipped it.
Our first conclusion is that the UFOs originate from beyond
our own time frame or time cycle. Our second conclusion is that
the source has total foreknowledge of human events and even of
individual lives. Since time and space are not absolutes, these
two conclusions are compatible.
It is that all human events occur simultaneously when viewed
by a greater intelligence. If a greater intelligence wants to
communicate with a lower form, all kinds of problems are
presented. The communication must be conducted in a manner which
will be meaningful and understandable to the lower life form. An
acceptable frame of reference must be found and utilized.
UFO phenomenon, especially the "soft" ones, are frequently
reflective; that is, the observed manifestations seem to be
deliberately tailored and adjusted to the individual beliefs and
attitudes of the witnesses. Contactees are given information
which, in most cases, conforms to their beliefs. UFO researchers
who concentrate on one particular aspect or theory find themselves
inundated with seemingly reliable reports which seem to
substantiate that theory.
John Keel's extensive experiences with this reflective factor
led him to carry out weird experiments which confirmed that a
large part of the reported data is engineered and deliberately
false. The witnesses are not the perpetrators, but merely the
victims.
The apparent purpose of all this false data is multifold.
Much of it is meant to create confusion and diversion. Some of it
has served to support certain beliefs which were erroneous but
which would serve as stepping-stones to the higher, more complex
truth. Whole generations have come and gone, happily believing in
the false data, unaware that they were mere links in the chain.
If it were all understood too soon, we might crumble under
the weight of the truth. This earth is covered with windows into
those other unseen worlds. If we had the instruments to detect
them, we would find that these windows are the focal points for
super high-frequency waves -- the "rays" of ancient lore. These
rays might come from Orion or the Pleiades as the ancients
claimed, or they might be part of the great force that emanates
throughout the universe. The UFOs have given us the evidence that
such rays exist. Now, slowly, we are being told why.
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It is also apparent that some entities are having a good
laugh at our expense. As mentioned before, literature indicates
that the phenomenon carefully cultivated the religious frame of
reference in early times, just as the modern manifestations have
carefully supported the extraterrestrial frame of reference.
The Devil's emissaries of yesteryear have been replaced by
the mysterious "men in black." A major, but little-explored,
aspect of the UFO phenomenon is therefore theological and
philosophical rather than purely scientific. The UFO problem can
never be untangled by physicists and scientists unless they are
men who also are schooled in the other disciplines.
The earth was occupied before man arrived or was created.
That's an important point to consider. The original occupants were
paraphysical and possessed the power of transmutation of matter.
Man was the interloper. The inevitable conflict arose between
physical man and the paraphysical owners of the planet. Man
accepted the interpretation that this conflict raged between his
creator and the Devil. The religious viewpoint has always been
that the Devil has been attacking man (trying to get rid of him)
by causing havoc upon him. There is historical and modern proof
that this may be so.
It is interesting that parapsychologists have long concluded
that the paralysis that contactees experience is a contributing
cause; that the entity may materialize by utilizing energy from
the percipient himself.
John Keel has in his files hundreds of cases, some of which
have now been investigated by qualified psychiatrists, in which
young men and women obsessed with the UFO phenomenon have suffered
frightening visits from apparitions, followed up by mysterious
black Cadillacs which appeared and disappeared suddenly, and have
been terrified into up their pursuit of the UFOs. The phenomenon
is again reflective in nature; the more frightened the victim
becomes, the more the manifestations are escalated. Think about
it.
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The Other Side of the Coin
There is a balance in nature, and there also seems to be a
balance in the UFO picture. People have actually died after
exposure to the gamma and UV rays from UFOs. But other people have
actually had their ailments cured by similar rays. Occult
literature is filled with accounts of this type.
Except for those who might be specially constructed for
incubus-succubus activities, it does appear that our "angels" and
"spacemen" come from a world, in many cases, with sex -- and very
probably, a world without an organized society; a world in which
each individual is merely a unit in the whole and is totally
controlled by the collective intelligence or energy mass of that
whole. In other words, these beings, or some of them anyway, have
no free will. They are slaves of a very high order. Often they try
to convey this to percipients with their statements, "We are One,"
"We are in bondage."
We face a great task in trying to isolate the UFO phenomenon
from the larger and more important "big picture," the overall
situation of which the UFOs are merely a small part.
Elemental beings are another aspect of the world we live in.
Children see them more than adults, perhaps for the reasons
described before. Historical records certainly indicate that the
little people have always existed all over this planet; that they
possess the power of flight, the power of invisibility, and, to
varying degrees, the power to dominate and control the human mind.
Accounts of little humanoids with supernatural powers can be found
in almost every culture.
The manifestations have remained the same throughout history.
Only our interpretations of those events have changed. It brought
the birth of Spiritualism, which was in its heyday in the 1850s
and 1860s, and was just another form of communication between the
ultraterrestrials and ourselves.
UFO flaps also parallel outbreaks of poltergeist cases. It
all ties in together.
Assuming that each discovered historical report represents a
larger number of unpublished or undiscovered reports, just as
today's UFO reports represent on the average 250 unreported or
unpublished sightings, we can conclude that a flap condition
existed, for example, in the years 1820, 1834, 1844, 1846, and
1849. We also find that there was an outbreak of poltergeists in
1835, 1846, and 1849.
As the 19th century progressed, reporting improved, and we
are able to make more precise correlations. A UFO flap took place
in 1850, and there was also a series of poltergeist cases. A
larger poltergeist outbreak occurred in 1867, following flaps in
1863-64. UFO activity became more intense beginning in 1870, and
there were notable flaps in 1872, 1877, and 1879. The 1880s
produced a major explosion of all kinds of phenomena, including
the sudden disappearance of people. Poltergeist cases were in
abundance in that decade, particularly in the big flap years of
1883 and 1885.
Astrophysicist Morris K. Jessup labeled the years 1877-87 the
"Incredible Decade" after scouring astronomical journals of the
period. Astronomers made some remarkable discoveries during those
years. The previously unobserved satellites of Mars popped into
view in 1877, new craters appeared on the moon, all kinds of
strange objects flitted around the upper atmosphere.
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The trance phenomenon deserves extensive study because so
many aspects of it are directly related to the contactee
phenomenon. In both, you will find the same contradictions. There
seem to be both good and evil forces at work. The good guys latch
onto people with particularly receptive minds and turn them into
trance mediums and the bad guys use the same methods to tamper
with the minds of contactees and even to commit murder indirectly.
Since incidents of these types can be traced throughout history,
it seems probably that these forces have always been here on this
planet. do the ultraterrestrials really care about us? There is
much evidence to suggest that they don't. They care only to the
extent that we can fulfill our enigmatic use to them.
There have been innumerable psychic hoaxes for the past 150
years, and many of these parallel the UFO hoaxes. In ufology we
have to contend with the teenager's hot air balloon, and in
psychic phenomenon we have to worry about youngsters firing rocks
at houses. There are, however, more UFO sightings than there are
plastic balloons, and more poltergeists dumping rocks in living
rooms than there are wild-eyed youngsters with slingshots. There
are also more ultraterrestrial entities than either the occultists
or the UFO researchers can dream of.
Giant winged beings, usually described as headless, are an
integral part of the UFO phenomenon. Winged human forms have been
seen flying over many areas of the world. John A. Keel wrote a
book called the "Mothman Prophecies" and Gray Barker a book called
"The Silver Bridge" that go into some detail. They are usually
described as having blazing red eyes set deep in their shoulders.
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On May 13, 1917, three girls in Portugal were in the meadows
of a place called Cova da Iria outside of Fatima, Portugal, when
they saw a flash of light in the clear sky. They ran for shelter
under a tree, thinking that was lightning. When they reached the
tree, they stopped in amazement, for there hovering just above a
3-foot evergreen nearby, a brilliant globe of light hung
suspended.
Within this globe there was an entity garbed in a luminous
white robe with a face of light which dazzled and hurt the eyes.
The figure stated that it was from heaven, and asked the
girls to come there on the 13th day, for six months in succession.
On October 13, 1917, an estimated 70,000 people had gathered at
the site. Suddenly the crowd screamed, for something came through
the clouds: a huge silver disk which rotated rapidly as it
descended towards the crowd. It seemed to change color, going
through the spectrum. These gyrations continued for ten minutes.
Miles from there, others were also watching the same object.
The incident at Fatima was obviously a carefully planned and
deliberately executed demonstration. The major prophecies of
Fatima had been written down and sealed in an envelope, and turned
over to the Vatican. They were supposed to be revealed to the
world in 1960. The secret of Fatima? One Pope was murdered after
only 30 days in office when the Vatican thought he would reveal
it. It is said to be a prediction of the end of the world. The
demonstration was therefore a failure as far as the
ultraterrestrials were concerned. Such demos proved highly
effective in Biblical times, but times were changing and new
methods were called for.
A similar event such as Fatima took place in Garabandal,
Germany, on July 2, 1961. Even more startling, on the entity's
right side they could see "a square of red fire framing a triangle
with an eye and some writing. The lettering was in an old
Oriental script." The Third Eye. Haven't we heard of that before?
Remember the Nation of the Third Eye -- the MIB. etc?
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ADDENDUM BY THE AUTHOR
Gravitational Propulsion
Well, I have gotten this far in explaining some things to
you. I might as well turn to my favorite subject of all --
gravitational propulsion. The best place to start is with the
efforts of a personal acquaintance of mine who had the good
fortune to meet in England -- Mr. J. R. Searl. His investigations
into gravitational propulsion have proven to be quite revealing --
he's done it, and I want to tell you about it.
In 1949, he was employed by the Midlands Board as an
electronic fitter. He was very enthusiastic about the subject of
electricity, though he had no formal education on the subject
other than was required by his job. Unhindered by conventional
ideas about electricity, he carried out his own investigation into
the subject. During work on electrical motors and generators, he
noticed that a small electromotive force (EMF) was produced by the
spinning metal parts -- the negative toward the outside and the
positive toward the rotational axis.
In 1950, he experimented with rotating slip rings and
measured a small EMF on a conventional meter. He also noticed that
when the rings were spinning freely and no electrical current was
taken, his hair bristled. His conclusions were that free electrons
in the metal were spun out by centrifugal force being produced by
the static field in the metal. He then decided to build a
generator on the same principle.
It had a segmented rotor disc, passing through electromagnets
at its periphery. The electromagnets were energized from the
rotor, and were intended to boost the EMF.
By 1952, the first generator had been constructed and was
about three feet in diameter. It was tested in the open by Searl
and a friend. The armature was set in motion by a small engine.
The device produced the expected electrical power, but at an
unexpectedly high potential. At relatively low armature speeds a
potential of the order of 10^5 volts was produced, as indicated by
static effects on nearby objects.
The really unexpected then occurred. While still speeding up,
the generator lifted and rose to a height of about 50 feet above
the ground, breaking the union between itself and the engine. Here
it stayed for a while, still speeding up and surrounding itself
with a pink glow. This indicated ionization of air at a much
reduced pressure of about 10^-3 mm Hg. More interesting was the
side effect, causing local radio receivers to go on by themselves.
Finally, the whole generator accelerated at a fantastic rate and
is thought to have gone off into space.
Since that day, Searl and others have made some ten or more
small flying craft, some of which have been similarly lost, and
have developed a form of control. Larger craft have been built --
some 12 feet and two 30 feet in diameter.
Once the machine has passed a certain threshold of potential
voltage, the energy output exceeds the input. The energy output
seems to be virtually limitless. We made some measurements when I
was there, and as far as we could see, the estimated output is
somewhere in the vicinity of 10^13 to 10^15 watts. Above what
appears to be the threshold potential, some 10^13 volts, the
generator and attached parts become inertia-free. There is also
some "matter snatch" upon acceleration away from the ground, since
it tends to take a little "turf" with it when it goes.
Analyzing what is happening is fairly easy. What the
generator is doing is placing a "stress" on the ambient space
around it. The space breaks down to provide the magnetism to
relieve the stress, but the energy by-product is absorbed by the
generator, which reinforces the field.
It should be noted at this point that only a very small
amount of space fabric passes through the craft and an even
smaller amount is converted for energy. However, I have noticed
that small changes in etheric forces lead to large physical
effects. It was aptly demonstrated and I was impressed.
Recently, Mr. Searl had (1987) a brush with authorities, when
he began simply generating his own power for his own house. Now he
doesn't have a very large house, but the Utility Board didn't like
the fact that they had lost their monopoly. Now he lives in
Birmingham under an assumed name. Simple, eh?
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attempting to check them out at this time. This file goes into
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REVELATIONS OF AWARENESS
The New Age Cosmic Newsletter
Cosmic Awareness Communications
P.O. Box 119 Olympus, Washington 83507
Helping People Become Aware
90-10 Issue No. 363
SPECIAL REPORT
"NIGHTMARE HALL" -------
"GOD" AT WORK ON LEVEL 6
THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY: (THE ALIEN PRESENCE): (PART 7)...
THE UNDERGROUND CITY AT DULCE, NEW MEXICO
COSMIC AWARENESS is the Force that expressed Itself through Jesus of
Nazareth, the Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed, Edgar Cayce and other great
avatars who served as `Channels' for the `Heavenly Father' and who
speaks again today as the world begins to enter the `New Age' of
spiritual consciousness and awareness. Since 1963 Cosmic Awareness
has been communicating through carefully trained channels. This
information is for those who desire to help in bringing in the New
Age. Throughout the thousands of `Readings' given through these
various channels, Cosmic Awareness tells us not to believe anything,
but to question, explore, doubt, and discover for yourself, through
your own channel what is the truth. Cosmic Awareness will only
`indicate' and `suggest'. Neither C.A.C. or any of the Interpreters
is responsible for anything Cosmic Awareness states in any of these
readings, nor does C.A.C. or the Interpreters necessarily agree with
the statements of Cosmic Awareness. The Interpreters interpret the
energies as they see them in trance levels and are not personally
responsible for what is said. The Interpreters published herein have
no connection with, nor control over the editorial comments and
material, including illustrations. This is entirely the
responsibility of the editor. Members of C.A.C. are invited to send
in questions of general interest to ask Awareness for possible
publication in this newsletter.
Paul Shockley, Interpreter
ABOUT THE INFORMATION ON ALIENS THAT FOLLOWS
(Excerpts from a C.A.C. General Reading)
May 12, 1990
Question:
This information on the alien presence, that has not yet been
published: Does Awareness suggest that this take priority over the
other more spiritual information, because of the possibility that
`window' could close sooner than expected, or does Awareness see this
`window' remaining open and the alien information being sent out over
a period of six months or a year and be balanced with other, less
negative, information?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness suggests that the most poignant, most precise,
most important information be released first; that the other
information may be seen as likened unto the flesh that fills out the
skeleton.
This Awareness indicates there could come a time wherein this
information would be stopped. There could be circumstances that
would prevent the release of the information and this information,
indeed, does need to be released.
There are many releasing information, but in proportion at this
time, less than 1 percent of the population has any inkling of what
is really going on, and at least 5 percent should know. This
Awareness indicates that probably one person in a thousand,--even
fewer at this time,--has ever heard of the information released even
by Cooper, or the elements involved in such information. Probably
only one in a thousand has ever heard of MJ-12...perhaps even fewer
than one in a thousand. It is likely that one in a half million, or
quarter of a million, has heard of Nightmare Hall. This Awareness
indicates, of course, this is changing, and more and more are hearing
of this.
This Awareness indicates that such information could be given to
tabloids and immediately, upon publication, these figures would
change enormously. This Awareness indicates a recent tabloid did
include information relating to Cooper and to Lazar, and much of the
population became aware, but to a very limited degree, since the
article was only approximately one-half page in length.
This Awareness indicates that the important thing is that
entities share the information with others who have some curiosity.
Not to think that they can force C.A.C. to prove this information by
bringing it to the authorities of their state or federal government
or agencies, but to search for themselves, to see if this is
accurate. If you have questions or doubts about the accuracy of this
information, go out and become a researcher for yourself.
Or, if you don't wish to do so, toss the paper into
the garbage can and forget it. There are some entities
who seem to think that if they hear something that
offends them, they should turn it over to an authority
and make the authority check out the source to see if
it's true.
This Awareness indicates that It is giving you the sources, so
that you can check them for yourself. If you do not like the
information, close your ears, cease your publication, stop your
subscription, or don't bother to read it. If you want to be aware,
if you want knowledge, if you want truth, you have to be open to
hearing even things you don't really like to hear.
This Awareness indicates that this information isn't for
everyone; it is for the courageous, it is for the strong, it is for
the daring, it is for those who dare to be aware. This Awareness
indicates that it is not the responsibility of C.A.C. to check the
validity of all of this information, it is simply passing along
information. It is giving you the sources, so that you can check the
validity.
This Awareness indicates that in checking the validity, you
don't go to the people who are unaware, and you don't check on a
whistle-blower by going to the one who's had the whistle blown
against them. Thus, if Karen Silkwood blows the whistle on some
nuclear plant, or group of people who are causing some environmental
hazards, you don't go and ask those in charge of the creation of the
hazards whether Karen Silkwood has her facts straight. You don't ask
the fox in the henhouse if it has seen a fox in the henhouse.
This Awareness indicates that unless entities understand the
nature and purpose of this communication, to give them enough
information that they may search further for themselves if they so
desire---and there have been many over the years who have desired.--
in fact, almost demanded,--information about UFO's. If the
information is given, and entities do not like the information, that
is their problem. They simply can ignore the information. You do
not have to attempt to rewrite the information. If you do not like
the story War of the Worlds, turn off your radio; don't expect to be
able to rewrite the script.
This Awareness indicates that there are many who have demanded
and requested for over a decade that this Awareness gives information
relating to the UFO phenomenon. Such information would have likely
resulted in the death of the individuals herein present had It given
information previously. It is only recently that even the higher
authorities have become aware of the activities of the aliens in
regard to some of these atrocities, to the point where they have had
enough dissension within their own ranks to debate whether to let the
public know. It is only recently that a few involved in the inner
circles of knowers,--having knowledge about UFO's,--have had the
courage to release information in spite of death threats, in spite of
knowing that others have been killed for far less.
This Awareness indicates that with this reality, with this
opportunity, this window that has suddenly opened, you who have
received the information from these entities and comments on this
from this Awareness, you are likened unto an elite, privileged few.
The chances of having such information is so remote,--less than one
in a million, or one in 50 million people at this time, know what you
know.
This Awareness suggests you do not expect too much, and that you
help in the dissemination of such information; but that you do it in
a way that is appropriate. This Awareness indicates that you not
endanger yourself, that you now endanger others in the way you
disseminate the information.
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THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY:
THE ALIEN PRESENCE (PART 7)--(THE UNDERGROUND CITY)
(PART 1)
HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM BEING MONITORED OR ABDUCTED BY ALIENS
(C.A.C. General Reading, May 11, 1990)
QUESTION:
Awareness, we're here tonight for a general C.A.C.
reading, with questions sent in by the membership.
Does Awareness have an opening message?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness suggests that entities may take precautions in
regard to protecting themselves in the following manner. (This is in
reference to those times in which an entity may feel the effect of a
monitoring device, or that which appears to be a monitoring energy
and they feel or hear in their ear, or feel around their head, which
occurs from time to time with some entities; that in many cases, not
all, but in many cases, this monitoring is done from alien
technology).
How the Aliens Select Victims for Abduction
This Awareness indicates that one may ask: How do the aliens
select people whom they are to abduct? This Awareness indicates that
they select these entities from vibrations in the brainwave pattern
that they seek for their particular interest or needs; that the
selection of a particular type may vary from time to time and
depending on what their purposes are, they may select a person at one
time which they would have overlooked at a different time.
This Awareness indicates that it is possible to avoid those
brainwave patterns that aliens would seek in their selection process
by wrapping oneself in White Light. This Awareness suggests that in
the first place, the least likely person an alien would seek would be
one whose brainwave pattern indicates a socially strong
individualistic entity. When you have a strong identification,
knowing who in fact you really are, and have a strong connection with
the spiritual essence of the highest, without much fear and without
being easily swayed or easily influenced, you are less likely to
become a candidate for abduction.
The more vulnerable and easily influenced you are, the more
gullible you are, the more naive you are and the more distraught your
thinking may be, the more you will tend to fit into the types of
candidates that are usually abducted. This Awareness indicates that
having a strong will also is a negative for aliens in regard to
abduction. Also, aliens do not, if they are involved in wishing to
use glandular substances or eat the entity, they do not like the
effects of chocolate, coffee, cigarettes, or sugar or other types of
addictive type foods and drugs in the system. They prefer, this
especially in regard to the reptilials; they prefer the more pure
essences without toxins. That this might be argued as a plus for
these vices.
This Awareness indicates on the other hand, the use of drugs and
alcohol can be the very thing that would distort a person's thinking
to make them more likely to be a candidate for abduction, for other
purposes. The best protection one can have for oneself during the
time of monitoring, because the monitoring process is designed to
read these brain vibrations; the best protection is to wrap yourself
in White Light, visualize the highest frequencies of Divinity coming
down over you from the Divine Being Itself.
Thus, you can call on the High Self, call on the Christ, call on
God, call on anything that you see as being the Highest and Best. If
you are in to Buddhism, call on Buddha. If you are in to any of the
other religions, call on the highest divinity that you can call on,
and see this entity covering you with a shower of Light, wrapping you
with Divine Light energy while this monitoring is in process. It
will sufficiently block the readings of the aliens if indeed they are
the forces monitoring you.
This Awareness indicates that this is a psychological defense
that you may use in regard to the psychoelectronic monitoring that
aliens frequently do in their hunting process. This Awareness
indicates the term generally used is the `harvesting' process. They
see this action as a kind of harvesting.
(Follow-up Question): Vikki
When I sensed that sound in my head, I automatically, almost
like a reflex, repeated the Law of Love. Does this afford
protection, or should I change?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This can be beneficial. It can help to say the Law of Love. It
is better to visualize the Light energy coming down over you. If you
can incorporate the two without losing the visionary image of the
White Light coming down so that you're saying the Law of Love at the
same time, you are clearly visualizing this love being showered over
you, it can be even more effective.
AN ACCOUNT OF SEEING UFO'S AND HEARING `CRICKED' SOUNDS
QUESTION:
a sort of personal question from J.R., which is along this line.
She writes: "The night I saw two saucer-shaped crafts, just outside
my bathroom window in West Virginia: Whose craft were they and what
were they doing in my yard? Also, was it in response to the energy
of my astonishment that they immediately took off? Also, were they
related to other craft seen in the area, the one written up in a
local paper, the ones Dr. Jenkins said visited his family regularly;
and currently: why am I hearing the sound of crickets whenever it is
quiet enough to hear it? Is this an effect of meditation, stress,
UFO's or physiological malfunction?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that It suggests that you be most
attentive and cautious; that these entities were not Pleiadians; that
the Pleiadians essentially have abandoned this planet temporarily and
may not be able to return. There are some entities from Sirius who
are benevolent beings. These were not the entities from Sirius
either. There are some humans in saucers from the technology that
has been acquired from the alliance with the Greys; that the Greys in
some cases are not as vicious or hostile as others. In regard to the
entities whom you saw, it appears that these were humans of your
government testing craft in the general area without a desire to be
noticed; that they did not recognize your presence when first landing
in the area.
How the `Good' UFO Will Contact You
This Awareness indicates that it is very important however, to avoid
any contact with those of UFO's unless you are absolutely sure that
these are Pleiadians or from Sirius, and these entities will often
give you ways by which you can be absolutely sure. This Awareness
indicates they will make themselves gradually known over a period of
time before contacting anyone in a close encounter.
This Awareness indicates that they tend to set up appointments
telepathically, letting you know that they will be there at a certain
time, where to look, where to expect them. Anything other than this
kind of appointment should be considered suspect of the more
malevolent type aliens; that the aliens will be tending, and have
tended to become more bold in their abductions and this may increase
as they are increasing in number. This Awareness indicates the
increase of approximately 20,000 per month in recent months has been
a kind of average influx during the three days of the full moon.
Look for Holes or Marks on Your Body
This Awareness indicates that these entities generally going to
the bases which then allow them to traverse underground to other
places in other areas through these underground tunnels. Anyone who
has seen a UFO should also double-check their memory, trying to
recall if there were any marks on their body or energy weaknesses
shortly thereafter, for in many cases, an entity will see a UFO, be
abducted for a certain length of time, usually on the average of two
hours, anywhere from twenty minutes to two hours, then released, and
the entity will not remember having been abducted, but will simply
remember having seen the UFOs or whatever took place prior to the
abduction.
This Awareness indicates that if, in examining oneself one finds
holes, such as in the back of the ear, or chin, or a pain in the
nose, or in the back of the head, or somewhere else on the body or in
the naval area or the genitalia area, there is good reason to suspect
that an abduction and experimentation or implanting has taken place.
This Awareness indicates that generally, the memory is gone, but the
subconscious effects and feeling of violation will endure and cause
severe problems thereafter.
Most entities having been abducted benefit only from therapy
that is similar to that of rape cases. The action being very much
like that of rape, in which an entity has been violated against his
or her will, and the feeling of having been violated can create
severe hostility and make one feel one is violated and a victim,
affecting many of the entity's relationships and activities
thereafter. It is important for entities to get help when such an
event is realized.
This Awareness suggests however, that it is equally important
that entities not fake an abduction just for attention, because such
action can cause you other kinds of problems that you may not really
desire. It may be that, for example, you find yourself at some
future time being looked at as an abductee when in fact you aren't,
and in some ways, you may feel you have classified yourself into a
certain category that you no longer want to wear as a label. This
Awareness indicates that it is not something that entities should
fake for attention or as a means of self-importance; that generally
speaking, entities could not fake the action anyway and will be
embarrassed and found out when in deeper therapy.
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:
Is there any significance to the cricket sound she's been
hearing?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is not seen clearly. This
Awareness suggests the entity may wish to pursue further
investigation in this regard to determine whether this might be the
result of an implant which the entity does not recall receiving. It
also could be the result of the close proximity of the craft and
vibration and radiation given off from the craft which may be
affecting her. The energy is not seen as to why this is occurring, if
it still is occurring for the entity.
This Awareness indicates the entity may wish to read THE GULF
BREEZE SIGHTINGS in which this writer tells about an attempt by the
aliens to abduct him, wherein thereafter he always heard a sound,
vibration in his head, or a hum, when the craft came anywhere near,
even though others could not hear that humming sound. This Awareness
indicates that approximately one in thirty-five or one in forty
entities have been abducted or have in some way received implants;
that not all implants have been effected in the craft.
How the Aliens Enter a Bedroom to Implant
(Who are the Candidates for Implants?)
These aliens have the ability, in wearing certain types of packs
on their backs, to move through walls or through rooftops, to come
right into one's home, even into one's bedroom, while an entity
sleeps, and to give an implant. This is very rare that this occurs
however, and in most cases, the implants have been given to entities
who have worked in and around government operated bases or alien
operated bases, or people who work in government occupations, in
order that the aliens have some control over these entities. That
these are the more likely candidates for implants. It is not seen as
a likelihood that persons operating in more socially oriented
occupations, even if in government, such as the post office, or the
revenue department, or commerce department, that these would be
special candidates for implants, but more toward the types who would
work in military occupations, secret bases, or projects, or entities
working in corporations that have close contact with this type of
operation, or the families of such entities, the close-working
families, and also people who live near or around those places where
UFO government operations may be visible to the population.
Thus, for example, the city or town of Dulce, New Mexico, as
being one in which many of the local people have been implanted and
abducted.
THAT DEVICE THE ALIENS PACK--HOW EXACTLY DOES IT WORK?
(THAT FORCE THAT RESIDES IN SPACE)
(FOLLOW UP QUESTION):
That device the aliens pack with them that enables them to get
into a home: does this device enable them to raise their own
vibrational rate so they can enter matter, or does it raise the
vibration of the matter and allow them to enter, or just how does it
work?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates it creates a field around the entity
which makes the matter lose its density. It is as though matter is
created by atoms in molecular structure, held together by a spatial
force. If you were to look at matter with a high enough microscope
you would see there is more space than substance, yet there is a
force surrounding these particles that tends to bind them together,
holding them in place so that even though they are scattered apart
with great space between them, this would be equivalent, for example,
to a small ball on a football field, the substance of equating to the
space, and the actual substance of the atom being the size of a
football; that is the way atoms would appear if viewed with a
powerful enough microscope, and the question may be: `How can these
things be held together?'
It is that force that resides in the space and not the matter
that holds things together, and the aliens' pack is able to overcome
that force, is able to defuse that force, so that the atoms of the
body and the atoms of the wall actually pass through each other, just
as if there were no force between the spaces. It is likened unto
sand going through a screen. If the sand is small enough and the
screen's holes are large enough, the sand can pass through, but if
that sand is made into a ball held together by blue, and it is
placed on a screen, it can't pass through, especially if the glue has
been spread on the screen. The glue is the force that resides
between the particles that make up the atom.
This Awareness indicates the aliens have the technology to leave
the particles intact, but to diminish the glue that holds the objects
as solid, and this is done through the use of vibration, the raising
of certain vibrations just high enough to overcome that frequency of
the force, the glue force.
THE TRILATERAL INSIGNIA: AN ALIEN FLAG
QUESTION:
A question by M.G. in New York: "The alien flag Trilateral
insignia referred to by Cooper, is this the start of the Trilateral
group of humans and aliens?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that the Trilateral humans took their
name from the Trilateral Insignia of the aliens. The symbols are
different.
THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY: (PART 2)
ALL ABOUT THAT ALIEN UNDERGROUND BASE AT DULCE, NEW MEXICO
QUESTION:
There's some questions that arise from a book called: ALIEN
MAGIC, by William F. Hamilton III, and there's a part of this book
called: THE DULCE BASE, by Jason Bishop the third, and I'd like to
read some of this, if it's alright, and ask Awareness to confirm or
deny this information, and when appropriate, to expand on it.*
*ALIEN MAGIC, by William F. Hamilton III,
published by UFORCES, 249 N. Brand Blvd.,
Suite 651, Glendale, Calif. 91203
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this in the affirmative, that It may
from time to time raise the hand of the Interpreter to signal a pause
for comment.
QUESTIONER: (Begins reading):
"The following material comes from people who know the
underground base at Dulce, New Mexico, exists. They are people who
worked in the labs, abductees taken to the base; people who assisted
in the construction; Intelligence personnel (CIA, NSA, etc.) and UFO
and Inner-Earth researchers. This information is meant for those who
are seriously interested in the Dulce Base. For your own protection,
be advised to `USE CAUTION' while investigating this complex."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness suggests not only that entities, particularly in
your organization, use caution, but that they NOT investigate this
complex; that it is too well guarded; that only those who have
clearance will be allowed in, and for entities not to think that they
can simply run down there and explore the area. This Awareness
mentions this because there are all types of people in your
membership and some tend to be quite naive, and often want to express
an unusual sense of adventure based on that naivete.
This Awareness indicates that entities so inclined might not
return, and might end up being part of the experimentation conducted
at the base.
READING CONTINUES:
"This facility is a `GENETICS LAB' and is connected to Los
Alamos, via a Tube-Shuttle (underground). Part of their research is
related to the Genetic Effects of Radiation (Mutations and Human
Genetics). Research there also includes other `Intelligent Species'
(Alien biological Life Forms `Entities').
In the revised Sept. 1950 edition of THE EFFECTS OF ATOMIC
WEAPONS, prepared for and in cooperation with the U.S. Dept. of
Defense and the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission, under the direction of
the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, we read about how "complete
underground placement of bases is desirable." On page 381: "There
are apparently no fundamental difficulties in construction and
operating underground various types of important facilities. Such
facilities must be placed in a suitable existing mine or a site may
be excavated for the purpose."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this as accurate; that this kind of
underground networking has gone on, not only during this previous
century from the time of World War II as mentioned, but that there
are and have been other underground caverns created by the aliens
many hundreds and thousands of years prior to this time, and these
have been used along with the present excavations and mining
activities of government and alien technologies. This Awareness
reminds you of readings given some ten years ago regarding the
subterranean caverns; that many of these were man-made caverns, and
some were natural, but had been modified by machines of the more
advanced technologies of the subterranean aliens.*
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*`Revelations of Awareness' No. 79-25:
(The Secret of the UFOs).
This Awareness indicates the Deros described during that time
are remnants of a humanoid species that were left underground for
many generations. They have continued in their underground
civilization which, through a network of caverns and tunnels extends
throughout the United States, South America and in through Europe and
other regions. These tunnels have been known by the Illuminati,
which was formed in 1776 on May 1st, by Adam Weishaupt, which is the
reason for the May 1st celebration in many countries; that this
Illuminati as the foundation for many of the occult and conspiracy
type organizations that have followed. It was based on the alien
contact by these entities.
This Awareness indicates, of course, there were still earlier
contacts with aliens on this planet, these contacts researching back
into prehistory. This Awareness suggests the questions continue.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Centuries ago, Surface People (some say the Illuminati) entered
into a pact with an "Alien Nation" (hidden within the Earth). The
U.S. government, in 1933, agreed to trade animals and humans in
exchange for High Tech knowledge, and to allow them to use
(undisturbed) underground bases, in the Western USA. A Special Group
was formed to deal with the Alien Beings. In the 1940's `Alien Life
Forms' (ALF) began shifting their focus of operations, from Central
and South America, to the USA. The Continental Divide is vital to
these `Entities'. Part of this has to do with Magnetics (Substrata
Rock) and high Energy States (Plasma)."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This is in the affirmative. This Awareness indicates that this
shift into this area was partly due to the use of the atomic bomb in
its infancy; the first atomic bomb being exploded in Alamogordo.
That this drew great attention from the aliens and in realizing that
these aliens use underground caverns, one can understand why they
became quite concerned with atomic bombs blowing holes in the earth,
and would like to have some input on the government using such
weapons.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Whose Planet is This? These Aliens consider themselves `Native
Terrans'". They are an ancient race (descendant from a Reptilian
Humanoid Species which cross-bred with Sapient Humans).
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is in reference, not to all
types of Greys, but to some of the Greys; the Greys from Orion in
particular; that there are also other variations which do not have
much of the reptilian genetics in them, but have some insect base.
This Awareness indicates that the Greys who were present after World
War II, who were present in this pact with the U.S. government, and
the Greys who were present...This Awareness indicates there were
Greys present on this planet in contact with humans in the late
Twenties and early Thirties, but there were also other tall Greys
that came to this planet in the period of approximately 1947-48;
these being from Orion.
The Zeta Reticuli Greys, coming in contact more in the Sixties;
that the earlier Greys as having already been in the area, and the
pact which led to the underground cavern bases was with these and
also with the tall Orion Greys. Later, the Zeta Reticuli were
brought in to certain agreements and allowed to have bases and there
were further arrangements with them. They are all interrelated in
some ways as different species, in a similar manner that on earth
different races might still work together, though be somewhat
segregated and somewhat different from each other.
(READING CONTINUES):
"They are untrustworthy manipulator/mercenary agents for another
extraterrestrial culture (the Draco), who are returning to earth
(their ancient `outpost') to use it as a staging area.
But, these alien cultures are in conflict over whose agenda will
be followed for this planet. All the while mental control is being
used to keep humans `in place,' especially since the Forties."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is in the affirmative; that there
is the conflict and agreement between the Grey Reticuli and the
Reptilians; that of the Grey Reticuli, the orange group as being the
more hostile to the Reptilians; that it is also the more hostile
group in regard to Grey/human relationships. This Awareness
indicates, however, that it does offer a potential for shifting of
alliances between the Greys and the humans, since the orange Grey
group is quite hostile to the Reptilians, it offers the humans an
important opportunity to align themselves with the Greys and a
potential for the alliance to be used in case of a conflict with the
Reptilians.
This Awareness indicates that it would appear that there is the
potential of a situation occurring on this planet in which if the
Reptilians arrive, the human race would not survive for any
meaningful length of time in any quality of life. It would, it
appears, deteriorate in such a manner that the human race would
simply become useful as food for the Reptilians; this in the event
sufficient numbers of Reptilians came and were able to control the
masses of humans, and through their present allies, the Greys, it
would appear this would be possible. Without the alliance between
the Greys and the humans, it would appear that the Reptilians would
have very little obstruction to their total dominion of the planet.
This Awareness indicates there is still the element of the
Pleiadians and the entities from Sirius, as a potential, but that
this is not at present seen as being a great potential, since
especially the Pleiadians are in deep trouble at home.
(READING CONTINUES):
"The DULCE Complex is joint U.S. Government/Alien base. It was
NOT the first built with the aliens. (Others are in Colorado,
Nevada, Arizona, etc.)"
Is that correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This is in the affirmative.
(READING CONTINUES):
"The Secret Activity". Paul Benewitz reports, about his study
into the Dulce area: "Troops went in and out of there every summer,
starting in 1947. The natives do recall that. They also built a
road--right in front of the people of Dulce, and trucks went in and
out for a long period. That road was later blocked and destroyed.
The signs on the trucks were "Smith Corporation" out of Pagosa
Springs, Colorado. No such corporation exists now...no records
exist...I believe the Base, at least the first one, was being built
then undercover of a lumbering project. The problem: they never
hauled logs. Only BIG equipment."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is in the affirmative; that there
also was built an underground tunnel from the area of Alamogordo to
the base.
(READING CONTINUES):
"R & R and the Military Industrial Complex. The Rand
Corporation became involved and did a study for the Base. Most of
the lakes near Dulce were made `for' the Indians, via government
grants. Navajo Dam is the main source for conventional electric
power, with a second source in El Vado (also an entrance).
Note: If Rand Corp. is the mother of `Think Tanks', then the
Ford Foundation must be considered the father. Rand secrecy is not
confirmed to `reports,' but on occasion extends to conferences and
meetings. On page number 645 of the PROJECT RAND: Proceedings of the
Deep Underground Construction Symposium (March, 1959) we read:
"Just as airplanes, ships and automobiles have given man mastery
of the surface of the Earth, tunnel-Boring Machines...will give him
access to the subterranean World."
Note: The Sept. 1983 issue of Omni magazine (Page 80) has a
color drawing of "The SUBTERRENE", the Los Alamos nuclear-powered
tunnel machine that burrows through the rock, deep underground, by
heating whatever stone it encounters into molten rock (magma), which
cools after the Subterrene has moved on. The result is a tunnel with
a smooth, glazed lining."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this, using atomic energy in the
process of heating these rocks, not only melts the rocks to allow for
the tunneling to take place, but it reduces the magma of these melted
rocks in terms of size so that there is very little or no residue
which needs to be carried out of the tunnel, so that the hole itself
is simply plastered up against the sides of the tunnel in a kind of
melted shell.
(FOLLOW UP QUESTION):
That would account for the absence of great piles of dirt and
rocks in that area, wouldn't it?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This is in the affirmative.
(CONTINUING WITH THE STATEMENT):
"These underground tubes are used by electromagnetically powered
"Subshuttle Vehicles," which can travel at great speeds. They
connect the `Hidden Empire' Sub-City complexes. Also, the top-secret
project code-named "Noah's Ark," uses `Tube Shuttles' in connection
with a system of over 100 `Bunkers' and `Bolt Holes' which have been
established at various places on Earth. With other bases inside the
Moon and Mars. Many of these underground cities are complete with
streets, sidewalks, lakes, small electric cars, apartments, offices
and shopping malls."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is in the affirmative. This
Awareness reminds you that there have been numerous movies that have
covered many of the things that are now being exposed as realities.
You will recall the movie in which the entity had his ear down to the
sidewalk, hearing tunnels or hearing a machine underground, boring
the earth, boring a tunnel, and everyone thought the entity was
insane. This Awareness indicates that there have been numerous
efforts by some entities to leak information, in some ways to alert
the public of these various things.
This Awareness indicates that most of the information went into
movies that were seen as fantasy, and entities were entertained
rather than informed, but now that entities are becoming informed and
looking back on the entertainment that has been given during the past
several decades, these movies will begin to take on a new meaning.
This Awareness indicates JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH, as well
as many of the movies regarding duplicates and clones now have new
meaning. Also, that in looking back on the earlier Awareness
readings in which It spoke of synthetics and robotoids, entities will
see that these too take on a new meaning. This Awareness suggests
the questions continue.
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"I had one question about the shopping malls. Are these
designed for humans that are working underground there, or are these
used by aliens?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this as mostly for humans, but
that there also are some shopping places for aliens too; that some
instances of human/alien intermingling is present underground, but in
most cases, in the higher levels, it is more a human-type of society,
although in some cases, the more benevolent aliens will also be found
in certain areas, intermingling with humans, even in those levels.
That in the deeper levels, the aliens have greater domination.
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"This tunnel machine mentioned that uses atomic energy and
burrows, melting the rock; was this technology given to the United
States by the aliens, or did the United States develop that itself?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that it is an alien machine. This has
been used down through centuries. It has been modified, but the
concept and the initial construction as that which is alien. The
more recent development as being a joint construction for and by
humans and aliens in cooperation. There are more than one such
machine. This Awareness indicates that these machines however, use
technology that were of alien origin, along with other aspects that
can be understood by human engineers.
(READING CONTINUES):
"There were over 650 attendees to the 1959 RAND Symposium. Most
were representatives of the Corporate-Industrial State, like: The
General Electric Company; AT & T; Hughes Aircraft; Northrop Corp.;
Sandia Corp.; Stanford Research Institute; Walsh Construction
Company; The Bechtel Corporation; Colorado School of Mines; etc.
Bechtel (pronounced Beck-tull) in a supersecret international
corporate octopus, founded in 1898. Some say the firm is really a
"SHADOW GOVERNMENT"--a working arm of the CIA. It is the largest
construction and engineering outfit in the USA and the world, (and
some say, beyond).
The most important posts in the U.S. government are held by
former Bechtel officers. They are part of "THE WEB" (an
interconnected control system) which links the Tri-Lateralist plans,
the CFR, the Orders of `Illuminism' (Cult of the All-Seeing Eye) and
other interlocking groups."
Is that information correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is in the affirmative; that
you will recall, especially during the Reagan administration, the
scandals associated with many of his cronies, and the connections
with Bechtel; that in reviewing these, you will find the above
information being pertinent.
(READING CONTINUES):
"The Dulce Facility consists of a central `Hub,' the Security
Section, (also some photo labs). The deeper you go, the stronger the
Security. This is a multi-leveled Complex. There are over 3000
cameras at various high-security locations (Exits and Labs). There
are over 100 Secret Exits near and around Dulce. Many around
Archuleta Mesa, others to the south around Dulce Lake and even as far
east as Lindrith."
Is that correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This is in the affirmative. This Awareness indicates that there
are caves used by aliens throughout the United States, Canada and
South America, as well as in Europe. Many of these are small bases
inside mountains that are in more remote areas; that there are
underground tunnels connecting many of these. In some cases, the
openings are used for the spacecraft for entrance and exits in
isolated bases, but in most cases, the bases are connected by
underground tunnels. These extend also into Washington, Oregon,
Canada, the Aleutian Islands, into Russia, and into most other
countries, especially in the Northern hemisphere of Europe; a;so in
Australia and New Zealand. There are older bases in South America, in
Brazil, in Central America, and in the areas of Chile, Venezuela, and
Peru.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Deep sections of the Complex connect into natural cavern
systems. A person who worked at the Base, who had an `ULTRA 7`
clearance, reports: "There may be more than seven Levels, but I only
know of seven. Most of the aliens are on levels 5, 6, and 7."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates there ten levels; that the three lower
levels have to do with the construction of technological instruments
and craft.
(READING CONTINUES):
"...Alien housing is lever 5." Is this correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This as in the affirmative; this as the level where the aliens
live and interact together in their time when they are not involved
in their activities of industry.
(READING CONTINUES):
"We are leaving the era of expendable resources, like oil-based
products. The power of the future is re-newable resources...
"Biologically Engineered." The Dulce Genetic Research was originally
funded under the cloak of "Black Budget" Secrecy. (Billions of
dollars.)
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This is where the drugs and drug money has been flowing to.
This Awareness indicates that this as also having received much
funding from the NSA hidden agenda and purposes; that much of the
enormous tax assessment on the nation and the great debt that has
accumulated over the years is due to this funding.
(READING CONTINUES):
"They were interested in intelligent "Disposable Biology"
(Humanoids), to do the dangerous atomic (Plutonium) rocket and saucer
experiments.
"We cloned "our" own little Humanoids, via a process perfected
in the Bio-Genetic Research Center of the World, Los Alamos!
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this relates to the synthetics and in
Russia, to the robotoids; that the reading continue.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Now, we have our own `disposable' slave-race. Like the alien
`Greys' (EBES), the U.S. government clandestinely impregnated
females, then removed the hybrid fetus, (after about 3 months) and
then accelerated their growth in the Lab. Biogenetic (DNA
Manipulation) programming is instilled; they are `implanted' and
controlled at a distance through regular RF (Radio Frequency)
transmissions. These act as telepathic "Channels" and telemetric
brain (Advanced Research Project Agency). Two of the procedures were
R.H.I.C. (Radio-Hypnotic Intracerebral Memory). The brain
transceiver is inserted into the head through the nose. These
devices are used in the Soviet Union and the United States, as well
as in Sweden. The Swedish Prime Minister Palme gave the National
Swedish Police Board the right, in 1973, to insert brain transmitters
into the heads of human beings covertly.
They also developed ELF and E.M. wave propagation equipment
(RAYS), which can affect the nerves and can cause nausea, fatigue,
irritability, even death. This is essentially the same as Richard
Shaver's Cavern "Telaug" Mech. This research into biodynamic
relationships within organisms ("Biological Plasma") has produced a
RAY that can change the "genetic structure" and "HEAL" also."
Is that information correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
How Dr. Beter Got His Information
This Awareness indicates that this is correct; that the
instruments which Dr. Beter once spoke of in his Audio Letters as
being able to locate and determine what anyone on earth was doing at
any time, is an instrument that was just spoken of, that was made
available through his contacts with scientists in Nevada; that they
were using these instruments in order to supply him with information
for his Audio Letters. You will recall that often he spoke of
entities who would allegedly be at some place, but by his sources
would be found to be elsewhere, such as Jim Jones actually being
flown to Israel and being thrown out of a plane near the Turkish
boarder, and other instances of a similar nature, wherein entities
were believed by press releases and so forth to be in a certain
place, and Dr. Beter would indicate that they were truly elsewhere.
This Awareness indicates that this also allowed them to
distinguish between the real entity and a duplicate, a double who was
replacing that entity, because the vibration of that double would be
slightly altered and different. This Awareness indicates that Dr.
Beter also was able to distinguish the difference between a robotoid,
synthetic and human, because the human had a soul at the time; that
in his later reports and in further technology, the robotoids were
even being given a soul.
This Awareness indicates that this occurred through further
alien technology in which the soul of an entity can be severed from
the body and implanted into another's body. It is a technology that
allows for the Walk-In. It also allows for the soul to be put into a
duplicate body, a robotoid for example, so that the soul can continue
to exist after the first body has been eliminated, and in this kind
of action it is almost the same as if the entity had received a new
body. That in this sense, and for the purposes of changing the
entity from one body to another, the reason for such might be, for
example, to alter the memory or alter the philosophy of an entity in
moving it from one body to another, by erasing certain aspects of
memory.
This Awareness indicates you will recall that the memory is
stored in the etheric, between the mental and etheric bodies, and
that it can be altered in the human. It can also be erased, and by
taking the soul and these bodies from one physical body and putting
them into another replica of the physical body, they can actually
bring about a changed person with a different philosophy or different
values, and yet the entity would essentially be the same personality.
This Awareness indicates that perhaps this can answer many questions
that entities have had, in regard to past notable figures that have
been indicated by Dr. Beter as having been replaced by duplicate
bodies. This Awareness suggests the reading continue.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Warning: Manipulation and Control, Fear and Favor...The
Pentagon, the CIA, NSA, FBI,DEA, NSC, etc. seek to capitalize on the
beliefs of the American public. The Secret Government is getting
ready to `stage' a contact-landing with Aliens in the near future.
This way they can `Control' the release of Alien related propaganda.
We will be told of an inter-stellar conflict. But...what looks real,
may be FAKE. What is disinformation? Is your attention being
diverted by the strategy of a `Shadow Plan'?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this refers to the scenario
described in Stan Deyo's book, THE COSMIC CONSPIRACY, as that which
would be a staged version, using the beliefs of the American people
in regard to the BOOK OF REVELATION, wherein entities would be
expecting the return of Christ after some kind of event or situation
that might lead to a kind of Armageddon. This Awareness indicates
that the only thing about this is that there is, in fact the threat
of the Reptilian invasion; these entities coming in a planetoid which
does not travel at above-light speed; this because of such great
number of entities, in needing a planetoid for the transference of
the population.
This Awareness indicates that if the so-called invasion occurs
before 1996, and especially if it occurs around 1993, entities can
probably be correct in assuming it is staged. It may be staged to
set up the atmosphere for a One World Government. If it is held off
until approximately 1996 or `97 or thereafter, then entities can
presume it is probably for real, as by that time the Reptilians
would have made their approach, would be close enough to pose a real
threat.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Berkeley, Los Alamos Labs Chosen to Explore Makeup of Human
Genome. (Overt and Covert Research). As U.S. Energy Secretary, John
Harrington, named the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory and New Mexico's
Los Alamos National Laboratory to house new advanced genetic research
centers as part of a project to decipher the human genome. The
genome holds the genetically coded instructions that guide the
transformation of a single cell--a fertilized egg--into a Biological
Being. "The Human Genome Project may well have the greatest direct
impact on a humanity of any scientific initiative before us today,"
said David Shirley, Director of the Berkeley Laboratory."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is the exploration of the
genes and all of the codes that go into creating the various
lifeforms based on the patterns involved in the code of the molecular
structures that make up the genes. This Awareness indicates that
there has been some research; that approximately 15% of this genetic
coding has been researched by your universities, and the
research being classified in such a way as to allow them to splice,
remove, delete, add to that genetic code in order to create changes
in the code, that it can be used for destroying or creating diseases,
destroying or creating lifeforms, destroying or creating plants,
animals or whatever that may be tampered with genetically.
This Awareness indicates that it can also be used to modify any
of these things; thus, it has the potential for altering all forms of
life, for good or ill, and for creating all types of life in
different forms. This Awareness indicates that the effort is to may
out and decode all of the DNA, and in so doing, have complete control
over the lifeforms and the creation, modification or destruction for
these forms. It is through this information that many of the
creatures described on Level 6 in Nightmare Hall, such as the many-
legged human, were created genetically.
Atlantean Genetics: The Creation of the "Things"
This awareness indicates that you will recall the Edgar Cayce
readings, in the readings on Atlantis, in which he described the
"Things" which the Atlanteans created. These were grossly distorted
creatures; that the `Things" that were created became a part of
society. These were also entities who were the product of alien
technology in the time of Atlantis. This Awareness indicates that
these creations were also grotesque and of those things which are
common to humans today;--the cat and the pig were direct creations of
Atlantean genetics.
This Awareness indicates that the pig having some human genes
intermixed with earlier wild boar. The cat, being created from genes
that had belonged to the Greys. You will notice the cat-like eyes of
the Greys; these were incorporated into the genes used for creating
the cat. This also is a reason why there were cat societies,
societies that worshipped the cat, thinking they were a kind of
reflection of the gods of the time, many entities seeing these Grey
aliens as gods.
This Awareness suggests the reading continue.
WHY PORK IS CONSIDERED "UNCLEAN MEAT" BY THE JEWS
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"I was wondering if these human genes in the pig could possibly
be connected to the ancient Jewish philosophy that pork is unclean
meat and should not be eaten?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this as in the affirmative; that
there is also the concern about the cloven hoof; that entities were
permitted to eat food of a certain type, but not from those animals
having a cloven hoof. The cloven hoof also has been associated with
the devil. This Awareness reminds you also that the Grey aliens have
two toes. This Awareness indicates that the entities cloning the
Hebrews were of a type that were what you might call enemies of the
Greys, and did not want their clones fraternizing with or being
associated with the Greys or anything that had connection with them,
also did not want them eating food that had human genes in it, such
as the pig.
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THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY: (PART 3)..."NIGHTMARE HALL"
(READING CONTINUES):
This overlaps some information just given by Awareness.
"Covertly, this research has been going on for years at Dulce
Labs. Level No. 6 is privately called "Nightmare Hall," it holds the
Genetic Labs. Reports from workers who have seen bizarre
experimentation are as follows:
"I have seen multi-legged `humans' that look like half
human/half-octopus. Also Reptilian-humans, and furry creatures that
have hands like humans and cries like a baby; it mimics human
words...also huge mixtures of Lizard-humans in cages." There are
fish, seals, birds and mice that can barely be considered those
species. There are several cages (and vats) of Winged-humanoids,
grotesque bat-like creatures, but 3-1/2 to 7 feet tall. Gargoyle-
like beings and Draco-Reptoids."
Is that information true?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this scratches the surface. There are
far more grotesque creatures than were described.
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
Isn't that the very thing that brought down Atlantis?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This as in the affirmative.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Level 7 is worse: row after row of thousands of humans and
human-mixtures in cold storage. Here too are embryo storage vats of
Humanoids, in various stages of development.
"I frequently encountered humans in cages, usually dazed or
drugged, but sometimes they cried and begged for help. We were told
they were hopelessly insane, and involved in high risk tests to cure
insanity.
"We were told to never try to speak to them at all. At the
beginning we believed that story. Finally, in 1978, a small group of
workers discovered the truth. It began the `Dulce Wars,' (and a
secret resistance Unit was formed)."
Note: There are over 18,000 `Aliens' at the Dulce Base.
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates there are closer to 200,000 aliens at
this time; that approximately 100,000 in the Dulce base, and 100,000
more that have moved through the base to other bases; these
continuing to enter at a rate of about 20,000 per month. This
Awareness indicates the base at Ada, Oklahoma, as still being active;
this being approached from underground; that the recent floods in
that area as having been in part deliberately allowed to help slow
and hinder activities at the base.
This Awareness indicates that the government as being divided;
that one faction wishes to stop the aliens from further growth and
the other faction wishing to work with the aliens, collaborating with
them. The aliens wishing to move their entire population from their
dying planet to this one as quickly as possible, even prior to the
arrival of the Draco Reptilians. (This Awareness suggests the
reading continue).
(READING CONTINUES):
"In late 1979, there was a confrontation (over weapons), a lot of
scientists and military personnel were killed. The base was closed
for a while...but, it is currently active.
Note: Human and animal abductions (for their blood and other
parts) slowed in the mid-1980s, when the Livermore Berkeley labs
began production of artificial blood for Dulce.
William Cooper states: "A clash occurred wherein 66 of our
people, from the National Recon Group, the DELTA group, which is
responsible for security of all alien-connected projects, were
killed.
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this occurred in more places than
the Dulce base; that in many other areas there were raids by humans
into these alien bases, and skirmishes and activities in which many
of these aliens were killed, or their bases shut down. This
Awareness indicates that even here in your own state of Washington,
and also in Oregon, this type of thing occurred; that it was in
connection with a group working through the CIA, and that this did
begin to have some effect.
This Awareness indicates, however, that there was also a split
in the intelligence bureaus, it appears came from MJ 12, in which
there was one faction that wanted this conflict to stop immediately,
and collaboration to continue; and because of this in-fighting within
the agency, many of those agents who were working to hinder the
aliens, resulted in their being covertly eliminated, especially those
who had special skills in this area of raiding these caves.
(READING CONTINUES):
"The DELTA Group (Within the Intelligence Support Activity) have
been seen with badges which have a black triangle on a red
background. (DELTA is the fourth letter of the Greek alphabet)."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is in the affirmative; that these
entities are often witnessed as the group using black helicopters;
that the movie versions of the Delta Force, as that which was based
on rumors that such a force existed; these being particularly related
to UFO and alien concerns and not to raid into other countries as a
kind of SWAT team organization; this not being their purpose, as
depicted in movies.
(READING CONTINUES):
"It has the form of a triangle, and figures prominently in
certain Masonic signs. Each base has its own symbol. The Dulce base
symbol is a triangle with the Greek letter (Tau) `T' within it, and
then the symbol is inverted, so the triangle points down. The
insignia of `a triangle and 3 lateral lines' has been seen on
`Saucer (transport) Craft,'--the Tri-lateral symbol. Other symbols
mark landing sites and Alien craft.
And they draw some of the symbols here that look like Indian
teepees and so forth. Is this information correct?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is the affirmative; that these
symbols appear to be correct in regard to the connection described.
This Awareness indicates that the Greek symbols relate back to
symbols from Akkadia, and even back to symbols of Sumeria, and these
were given as symbols of Sumeria, and these were given as symbols
from the aliens of that time; thus the symbols are a kind of link
between alien and modern human language, neither quite alien, nor
neither quite English, but of a language that many who have been
educated in your modern schools can easily find and adjust to in
using the Greek symbols.
The aliens also then have the capacity of adjusting their
language or symbolic writings into Greek, which is not too difficult
for them, and the humans to use as a mediating written language, in
terms of symbols.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Inside the Dulce Base, Security officers wear jump-suits, with
the Dulce symbol on the front upper left side. The standards hand-
weapon at Dulce, is a `Flash gun,' which is good against humans and
aliens. The I.D. card (used in card slots for the doors and
elevators) has the Dulce symbol above the I.D. photo. "Government
Honchos" use cards with the Great Seal of the U.S. on it. "The Cult
of the All-Seeing Eye" (The New World Order)...13, "666" -the Phoenix
Empire..."9"..."Illuminism,"...`One out of many.'"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
How the Flash-Gun Operates
This Awareness indicates that this as in the affirmative; that
in regard to the flash gun; that this as being likened unto a kind of
laser ray-gun; that it is a real life version of the Star Trek
phaser; the difference being that the flash-gun works in such a way
that the entity doesn't simply die from the blast, but is dried up.
This Awareness indicates that there is the potential for setting the
flash-gun to different frequencies or different ranges of
temperature; that its most intense range as that which immediately
dissolves or evaporates all water in the body, causing a body to
shrivel up totally, so that nothing in the sense of liquid within the
body is present.
Thus, the entity literally burns up at whatever speed is
appropriate according to the setting of the flash-gun; very quickly
or very slowly. It is essentially a death ray that works on the
water in the body.
(READING CONTINUES):
"After the second level, everyone is weighed, in the nude, then
given a uniform. `Visitors' are given an `off white' uniform. In
front of ALL sensitive areas are scales built under the doorway, by
the door control. The person's care must match with the weight and
code or the door won't open. Any discrepancy in weight (any change
over three pounds) will summon Security. No one is allowed to carry
anything into or out of sensitive areas. All supplies are put thru a
Security conveyer system. The alien symbol language appears alot at
the facility.
During the construction of the Facility (which was done in
stages, over many years), the aliens assisted in the design and
construction materials. Many of the things assembled by the workers
were of a technology they could not understand, yet...it would
function when fully put together. Example: The elevators have no
cables. They are controlled magnetically. The magnetic system is
inside the walls.
There are no conventional electrical controls. All is
controlled by advanced magnetics. That includes a magnetically
induced (phosphorescent) illumination system. There are no regular
light bulbs. All exits are magnetically controlled. Note: It has
been reported that, "if you place a large magnet on an entrance, it
will affect an immediate interruption. They will have to come and
reset the system."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates this is in the affirmative; that there
is a totally different advancement in terms of technology used by
these entities in regard to an advancement that worked from the base
of electro-magnetics without the use of wires, whereas your
technology transferred electricity through wires and created a system
along different lines. There was less mechanical activity in their
technology, and more electronic and magnetic technology, and more
electronic and magnetic technology development.
This Awareness indicates the lighting system used as that which
is painted upon the walls, or placed on the walls in a kind of paint
which is affected by an electromagnetic charge that is applied, which
causes the wall to light,---this affecting the paint on the walls and
the substances that are in that painted material.
(QUESTIONER):
The Interpreter's been in trance for quite a while, and we would
like to bring him up at this time and continue this reading later, if
it is alright with Awareness.
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This as in the affirmative. This Awareness suggests that this
may be seen as a break; that the questions may continue after a brief
interruption from our sponsor.
(The Law of Gratitude is given)
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THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY: (PART 4)...THE DARK SIDE OF TECHNOLOGY
(READING CONTINUES...after dinner):
"The town of Dulce. The area around Dulce has had a high number
of reported animal mutilations. The government and the aliens used
the animals for environmental tests, psychological warfare on people,
etc. The aliens also wanted large amounts of blood for Genetic,
Nutritional and other reasons.
"In the book, ET's and UFOs--They Need Us, We Don't Need Them,
by Virgil `Posty' Armstrong, he reports how his friends (Bob and
Sharon) stopped for the night in Dulce and went out to dinner. "They
overheard some local residents openly and vociferously discussing
extra-terrestrial abduction of townspeople for purposes of
experimentation." The ET's had our government's knowledge and
approval."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is in the affirmative; that
in any of those areas near those bases there is an excessive degree
of danger of abduction or otherwise intimidation. That in regard to
the aliens' need for large amounts of blood, there is recently a
scientific breakthrough in regard to the use of cattle blood being
altered to work for human transfusions; that the use of cattle blood
in humans is a possibility on a one-time basis, without such
alteration. With the alteration, it can be repeatedly used without
side effects; that within approximately 5 years there will be no need
for a blood transfusion from the use of human blood.
This Awareness indicates that part of this is a side-effect from
the experimentation that involves alien technology and the cattle and
human mutilations and the researches into the different types of
blood. This Awareness indicates that much of the blood supplied to
the aliens could be supplied from slaughterhouses, were this to be
more organized, and this would help to prevent much of the mutilation
that otherwise occurs.
(READING CONTINUES):
"In the Fifties, the EBES (Greys) began taking large numbers of
humans for experiments. By the Sixties, the rate was speeded up and
they began getting careless (they didn't care). By the Seventies,
their true colors were very obvious, but the "Special Group" of the
government still kept covering up for them.
"By the Eighties, the government realized there was no defense
against the Greys, so programs were enacted to prepare the public for
open contact with non-human `Alien Beings.'
"The Greys and the `Reptoids' are in league with each other.
But, their relationship is in a state of tension. The Greys' only
known enemy is the Reptilian race, and they are on their way to
earth. (Inside a Planetoid)."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness wishes entities to reflect back in regard to
these time segments in the previous paragraph, to reflect back in
regard to the attitude of the government toward the Greys in the
50's, 60's, and 70's, and you will see also that during such time
periods, the presentation of the aliens, in terms of any release of
information about aliens, tended to fit into the categories that the
government attitude held toward the aliens. The first attitude being
that they were benevolent people who were on a kind of friendly basis
with humanity, but as the time passed, this recognition reaching a
turning point in the 70's, in the late 70's and into the 80's,
wherein it was discovered that they were involved with excessive
human mutilation and abductions.
This Awareness indicates that what disturbed the government even
more was that they were deceptive to the government also. They were
breaking rules with the government in that they were supposed to be
giving a trade for technology. Efforts to fly the craft resulted in
many of the pilots being killed in the testing of the craft, and also
the Russians were being given technology which had been forbidden in
the agreements between the American government and the aliens. This
Awareness indicates that there were many groups in the 70's who
represented the aliens as being really nice, wonderful people,
rescuers of humanity. Even the movie, ET, was an attempt by the
government to present the image of aliens as being nice characters
from outer space. This was before the government discovered what
rascals they really were.
This Awareness suggests that last few sentences of that previous
paragraph be repeated; that this not necessarily be typed on your
final manuscript; this being for reference to this Awareness, for
further comment.
(Last two sentences are re-read)
This Awareness indicates that there is also some tension between
the Greys and the Dero. This reference to the Grey's only known
enemy; this in reference to certain elements of the Greys,
particularly the orange group which is generally hostile anyway.
This Awareness indicates that the reference to the Reptoids in the
planetoid, this as being accurate and having been discussed elsewhere
in other readings. These entities coming from Draco: the number
being approximately 40 million. This Awareness also indicates that
the element 115, which is available through the alien government
alliance, is capable of being useful in a kind of doomsday weapon
against the planetoid.
(READING CONTINUES):
"Mind Manipulation Experiments: The Dulce base has studied Mind
Control Implants; Bio-Psi Units; ELF Devices capable of mood, sleep
and heartbeat control, etc.
D.A.R.P.A. (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) is using
these technologies to manipulate people. They establish `The
Projects,' set priorities, coordinate efforts and guide the many
participants in these undertakings. Related projects are studied at
Sandia Base by "The JASON Group" of 55 scientists. They have
secretly harnessed the Dark Side of technology and hidden the
beneficial technology from the public.
Other projects take place at "Area 51" in Nevada. "Dreamland"
(Data Repository Establishment and Maintenance Land"); ELMINT
(Electro-magnetic Intelligence); CODE EMPIRE; CODE EVA; PROGRAM HIS;
(Hybrid Intelligence System); BW/CW; IRIS (Infrared Intruder
Systems); BI-PASS; REP-TILES; etc."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that these areas and names as related
to various aspects of various programs and locations; that the
reference to Groom Lake(?) and DREAMLAND can be researched in the
work of Lazar, the release of information from Lazar, and other
sources. This Awareness indicates that entities can do much of this
researching for themselves into the meaning of some of these; that
some of these terms are not defined clearly in publicly-released
information. This Awareness indicates that the information on
Element 115 as having been given in some of the earlier literature
also released by Lazar, and also to some degree, there are mentions
in the Cooper Material.
This Awareness suggests that entities can further research these
areas for more details if they are inclined to do so.
(READING CONTINUES):
"The studies on Level No. 4 at Dulce, include Human-Aura
Research, as well as all aspects of Dream, Hypnosis, Telepathy, etc.
They know how to manipulate the Bio-plasmic Body (of Man).
They can lower your heart beat with deep sleep `Delta Waves,' induce
a static shock, then re-program via a Brain-Computer link. They can
introduce data and programmed reactions into your mind (Information
impregnation-the "Dream Library."
We are entering an era of the technologicalization of psychic
powers.
The development of techniques to enhance man/machine
communications; Nano-tech; Bio-tech micro-machines; Psi-War; E.D.O.M.
(Electronic Dissolution of Memory); R.H.I.C. (Radio-Hypnotic Intra-
Cerebral Control); and various forms of behavior control (via
chemical agents, ultra-sonics, optical and other EM radiations). The
Physics of `Consciousness.'
COSMIC AWARENESS:
How Robotoids & Synthetics are Created
This Awareness indicates that it is also on this level that the
technique whereby souls can be extracted from the physical and
transferred into other bodies or into replicas occurs. That in the
transference there can also be the alteration of memories, values and
qualities of the soul, so that an entity can appear to be the same,
but there will be certain changes that have occurred that may be
unseen, and the attitude and purposes and directions of the entity
may then be controlled.
This Awareness indicates that this occurs when the vibratory
qualities of a soul are extracted by these electronic equipment from
a body and moved into another. This needs not necessarily be a
replica of the entity; it can be a totally different person's body,
in which case it becomes what is termed a walk-in. This Awareness
indicates that if it is a replica, it will tend to work with the
replica to create the final features that result in a duplication of
the features of the entity.
That this generally takes place on the almost human form, when
the mind-state or soul energies, including the various electro-body
energies are transferred, and as they begin to grow and attach
themselves to that almost human form. The features then begin to
solidify, to match the features of the electro-magnetic energies and
the soul energies and astral energies and other mental and etheric
bodies of the older original being.
This Awareness indicates that in the book of Genesis, which
states that God made Adam from clay, molded him; this was a poor
translation of the actual process. Rather than clay, it was
substance, then breathed the breath of life into Adam. The breath of
life being qualities of the Life Force which were part of the
creator, and this was in reference to the electromagnetic field of
the creator of Adam,--the Elohim, or alien that created Adam.
This Awareness indicates that this was the process of breathing
life or the breath of life into the substance that became Adam. It
was a similar process as the creation of replicas or duplicates,
though that took place approximately ten thousand years ago.
(READING CONTINUES):
The final statement of the last question: "The development of
biotechnologies will mean a revolutionary change in the life of every
human being now on earth. The question is: Will this be better
living through Bio-Tech?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that it will be a change. Whether it
will be better or worse will always be questionable. There will be
some benefits that come from this. There will be detriments that
come from this. There does not appear to be anything that can be
done to prevent this knowledge from being incorporated into the
Earth's consciousness; it has, in fact, been used by beings alien to
human consciousness for tens and hundreds of thousands of years,
indeed, millions of years, and it will continue to be used. It is
just that humans are just realizing such strange and awesome
knowledge exists. It will be equivalent to an individual, much like
that of the child, who suddenly discovers much to his dismay, that
sex brings forth children, for the adult to discover that genetic
engineering can create living beings, can alter living beings, can
create and alter new life forms, new types of beings. This is
shocking to one who has never been exposed to such reality.
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THE WEB OF CONSPIRACY: (PART 5)...THE PHANTOM EMPIRE
(READING CONTINUES):
"The Phantom Empire: Above the Law. The Dulce base is run by
a "Board." The Chairman of the Board is John Herrington. Jim Baker
(of Tenn.) is the CIA link to Dulce. House Speaker Jim Wright, D-
Texas (the nation's third-highest office) is Treasurer at Dulce.
There is currently a power struggle going on. As Rep. William
Thomas, R-Calf., put it..."Part of Jim Wright's problem is, he fails
to understand what's equitable and fair. It's the arrogance of
power." Even among his fellow democrats, many find Wright to be
"uncomfortably aloof." Wright's operating style leaves him
vulnerable.
Most meetings of `The Dulce Board' are held in Denver and Taos,
N.M. Former New Mexico Senator Harrison "Last man on the moon"
Schmitt, has full knowledge of Dulce. He was one of 7 astronauts to
tour the base.
In 1979, he held an "Animal Mutilation" conference in
Albuquerque, N.M. This was used to locate researchers and determine
what they had learned about the links between the "Mute" operations
and the Alien/Government.
Senator Brian (Nev.) knows about the `ULTRA' Secrets at
`Dreamland' and Dulce. So do many others in the government. This is
what the UFO researchers are up against, so be CAREFUL...they have
killed to keep this information secret. You now know more than they
want you to know.
They also have underwater bases off the coast of Florida and
Peru."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that all of the above is very poignant,
very accurate and very true. This Awareness indicates that even the
repetition through this reading of such information does create some
danger for C.A.C. headquarters and the Interpreter. This Awareness
indicates however, that it being just a kind of reflection of
material that is already available elsewhere, does tend to minimize
the danger, and the fact that the organization is small and the
publication limited to just a few hundred people, and the fact that
the information is available in other sources, and the sources are
being quoted, tends to minimize the danger.
Also, the fact that there are now quite a large number of
entities, UFO researchers and entities who are openly disclosing such
information, has led to a kind of floodgate opening of such
information. It makes it much less a danger. Had this information
been given a year ago, it would have been extremely dangerous, and
those who risked their lives in releasing this information a year
ago, in some cases almost two years ago, were indeed very courageous
and should be held in high esteem as they could have become more of a
large number of victims of the cover-up.
This Awareness indicates it does appear that part of the reason
this information can be released now, when it could not be released
even 18 months ago, is because there are conflicts even in the higher
ranks of government because some want the information hidden, while
others want it released to the public, knowing that the public must
be made aware of what is occurring if they are to be able to help in
the event of a clash between humans and aliens, and especially in
regard to the Draco/Reptilian invasion.
This Awareness indicates that those who are collaborators and
have been collaborators and do not wish the information released,
generally are continuing the cover-up out of fear that the masses
would blame them and hold them responsible for all that is due to an
alien presence, and they fear that they could be seen as traitors.
This Awareness indicates that there was a time when these entities
realized that masses of human beings were being sacrificed to feed
the alien appetites, and that the aliens were not being straight-
forward in their dealings with humans. These entities had a choice
of making a clean break with the aliens, or at least informing more
of the humans, or of continuing to collaborate and cover-up and make
excuses and assist the aliens.
Of course, some entities cannot decide quickly, given certain
amount of time. These entities have had sufficient time; that it
would appear proper that they now realize this information must be
released to the public. It is appropriate that many within the
higher ranks have the courage and the ethics to allow this
information to be released as is being done, without destroying the
lives of those courageous researchers who are releasing information.
(This Awareness suggests that the reading continue).
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"One question: House Speaker Jim Wright was drummed out of
office a few months back for alleged improprieties regarding outside
interests, and also for monies given to him by various corporations,
etc. He has been replaced by Tom Foley, a Democrat from our own
Washington State, and I'd like to ask: Did this information about
the Dulce complex and the alien information that Jim Wright had, was
this passed along to the new Speaker, Tom Foley?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this as being information that is
not appropriate through this channel to be released; that this would
be a violation of certain...This Awareness does not disclose any
information that is not already available elsewhere in regard to
individuals and their connections with these aliens, in terms of this
secret government. This Awareness indicates that there will come a
time when more is disclosed; that this information could be damaging
to various entities in various ways.
QUESTIONER: I understand.
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Subject: FILE: Web of Conspiracy part 4 (Conclusion)
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(READING CONTINUES):
"In the 1930's, `Division Five' of the FBI knew about the
`Aliens.' A Fascist cabal, within this country, had John Kennedy
assassinated. Look to the links, within the larger umbrella...the
`Web' of a fascist totalitarian secret police state...within the
Pentagon: JCS; DIA; FBI; (Division Five); DISC/DIS and the CIA.
Note: the Defense Investigative Service's insignia is a composite of
the sun's rays, a rose, and a dagger, symbolized "The Search for
Information, Trustworthiness and Danger." Other links are Nazi
scientists (who had contact with the Aliens); the S.S.; Satanists;
Permindex; Exxon; the Mafia; NBC, etc.
This links with caves used for `Initiation Rites' (all over the
world)...ancient vaults, retreats; Alien bases and Inner-Earth
civilizations."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this all as being correct
information; that this also relates to messages given in questions
asked yesterday in regard to the changes that are occurring
throughout the world, wherein this Awareness discussed certain
fascist energies that are in motion at this time. This Awareness
indicates that this is a time in which alliances between some of the
fascist energies and some of the aliens has shifted; that it is not
simply a matter of humans versus aliens; there are some aliens who
want alliances with humans and some who don't, and these are also in
some instances seeking alliances with humans, aliens seeking
alliances with the fascist elements of humans; other aliens seeking
to align themselves with the more Communistic alliance, or that
which might be termed the Bolshevik groups.
This Awareness indicates that the alliances being such that it
is a kind of struggle in which nothing absolutely clear has occurred,
but gradual shifting is making for a possibility that the alien
presence can be resolved to allow a human coexistence on this planet,
even in spite of the threat of the Draco Reptilians, and in spite of
the nature of the more hostile aliens on earth. There is a ray of
hope for humans, even though there is a threat to humanity greater
than humanity would have imagined.
The threat of nuclear war as that which conditioned humanity to
accept the potential for oblivion, but many humans would prefer
oblivion to enslavement by some of the beings whose attitudes and
natures see them as mere playthings or food or experimental guinea
pigs. This Awareness indicates there is much that humans can learn
from this experience in regard to their own attitude toward animals,
guinea pigs, and their own forms of experiments. This Awareness
indicates unfortunately, those who need to learn these lessons most
are not likely to have any reason to make such observations and
unfortunately too, there are many human cells and parts of
consciousness locked into those grotesque creations that are
presently entraped in a kind of hellish limbo and cannot get out,
because they have been genetically created as a `thing,' yet their
consciousness still remains that of humans. Even if retarded or
demented in nature, they still have human consciousness, and these
entities continue to suffer.
If entities think that this information is shocking and
disturbing to their peace of mind, stop for a moment and consider
what these beings who are the subject of experiments in the genetic
engineering levels such as Nightmare Hall, are going through. This
Awareness suggests you should sing praises to the Divine Forces that
have protected you and your loved ones, if indeed you have been so
fortunate as to have lived a good life, and you should consider the
dangers facing younger generations who must grow up in a world so
totally different than the world you knew in your youth.
This Awareness indicates that there is still, however, a ray of
hope for humanity, whereby great things can come about, wherein the
Greys have no sense of emotion, but do indeed desire such, and humans
can teach these entities in time through some of these genetic
mutations, especially their own hybrid offspring; it is possible that
race, which is close to a million years in age, can regain a sense of
compassion, a sense of emotion, can redevelop an astral, an emotional
body, and can perhaps even develop compassion and love, given
examples and given time to do so.
This Awareness indicates that entities need to be most cautious
in the coming years, love your neighbors, your children, your family.
Cherish them carefully. Watch them. Do not neglect them. Protect
them, and be cautious yourself. Your chances are greater, much
greater, that you will live a normal healthy and long life than that
you would become a victim of alien technology. That would be most
rare in terms of percentage. (This Awareness suggests the reading
continue).
(READING CONTINUES):
"Warning: Fascism is `Corporatism'. We have passed the point of
no return, in our interaction with the Alien Beings. We are
guaranteed `a crisis' which will persist until the final Revelation
(or conflict). The crisis is here, global and real. We must
mitigate or transform the nature of the disasters to come...and come
they will. Knowing is half the battle. Read the book, The Cosmic
Conspiracy, by Stan Deyo."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that knowledge is power. By knowing
what you know now from this information, you are much more powerful,
much more powerful than you were before being so informed. This
Awareness indicates in reference to the Stan Deyo information; this
book is not available or is very difficult to find. There is some
possibility of acquiring this book from certain sources. If this
book becomes available, you should, at all costs or at any reasonable
cost, acquire the book and read it.
It essentially speaks of the planned `rapture' in which there
will be the fake rapture, whereby there will be the appearance of an
event, a crisis that will lead humanity into the abyss of a global
crisis that could mean great difficulty for all. There may even be
the appearance of the rise of an Antichrist, followed by an invasion
of spaceships, which would follow the BOOK OF REVELATION, wherein
entities would believe they were being rescued by high spiritual
beings, and in face, these could well be the humans using alien craft
and introducing alien technology as a One World Government is
established.
This Awareness indicates that if these events were it take
place, prior to 1995, it is likely to be a fake event. It is
possible that the Pleiadians could return by 1993. The Pleiadians'
ships are different from the Greys and their appearance is different.
Their symbol is that of a serpent climbing a vine, or a serpent. The
Reptilian symbol is that of a dragon. The Grey's symbol also uses a
serpent, this being a cobra.
This Awareness indicates that the Stan Deyo book has been
suppressed in this country. There is some chance of getting copies
from Australia. There are rare copies in the United States. This
Awareness indicates that in regard to the corporations as being
fascist in nature; that this is in the affirmative. This Awareness
suggests also that you will recall remarks by Dr. Beter that heads of
corporations were being replaced by synthetics or robotoids; in other
words, replicas of themselves. This Awareness indicates that this as
having been part of the alien program in order to assure continued
use of such corporations.
These entities being replaced are under control, or were under
control, of these technologies of the alien and of those who were
putting implants into their replicas to control the corporations,
according to their general plans. This Awareness indicates there
does appear to have been considerable shift in the alliances since
that time, and as indicated, even the aliens may be changing
alliances, away from their previous Draco masters, in favor of
alliances with humans. For this reason there is some degree of hope,
particularly if this shift continues.
This Awareness indicates the Draco Reptilians do not really need
the earth. They have more room than they need to grow and thrive.
They simply want the Earth as a kind of strategic point in their
battle to conquest the galaxy. It is likened unto your army wanting
to take a hill, not because it needs more room, but because it wants
the hill to help it have better positioning for better conquest.
(This Awareness suggests the reading continue).
(READING CONTINUES):
This is the final question in this particular reference.
"Some forces, in the government, want the public to be aware of
what is happening. Other forces (the collaborators) want to continue
making `what ever deals necessary' for an elite few to survive the
conflicts. The future could bring a fascist `World Order' or a
transformation of human consciousness (Awareness). The struggle is
NOW...your active assistance is needed. Prepare! We must preserve
humanity on Earth."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
What You Can Do About This Alien Situation
This Awareness indicates that this is an excellent summary of
the situation. There is the potential for a fascist domination by
both human and aliens. There is also the potential for a major
awakening by the masses on this planet. The preparation that is
needed has to do with filling oneself with knowledge of the
situation, and giving this knowledge to other. This Awareness
indicates that as you can easily see, notifying the government or
other such authorities of this problem is like letting the fox know
that there's a fox in the henhouse.
This Awareness indicates that the important thing is to notify
the masses, to notify other people. Let them notify still more. Let
them notify their preachers, their doctors, the workers on the
street, the people in the stores. Let them notify people who are
interested, to notify people who make films, who write papers, who
spread news, who write articles for magazines, who speak publicly,
who have the ability to disseminate information, to people who have
access to a copier, to a printing press.
Notify these people with sufficient amount of information that
they can be fully educated and knowledgeable so that they are not
spreading information that is half truth, half distorted, confused.
This Awareness indicates that this is how entities can prepare: by
preparing each other, by preparing those who are willing to listen.
You do not have to force the information. If entities are afraid to
hear it, if they have no curiosity, if they do not dare listen, do
not force it on them.
This Awareness indicates that as time passes, and these things
become more in the news, as UFOs are talked about more, as the
advertisements begin to present more information on UFOs, as the
movies bring out more UFO stories, as these things begin to happen,
people will want to know more. Have extra copies of your material
for them. Purchase these books, tapes, study these things that have
been released wherein people are risking their lives to get this
information to you. Study these things, have copies, purchase extra
copies. The more you purchase, the more you are contributing to the
future of humanity.
Give these copies, loan these copies, sell these copies;
whatever it takes to get the information out. People need to know.
Many entities want to know. Do not frighten entities who are already
helpless. Do not give it to the old lady who is on her deathbed, or
who is afraid to open her drapes at night. It would only frighten
her and harm her. Give it to them in doses they can accept.
If they cannot accept the full dose, give them something mild
until they ask for more. This Awareness indicates it is possible
that humanity can survive. The aliens presently on Earth have
greater technology than humans and yet they have this fear of humans
because of human emotion. It is something they do not understand;
and remember to wrap yourself and your loved ones in White Light
frequently, especially so when you are out in isolated areas, or when
you are monitored and feel vibrations tapping into your
consciousness.
This Awareness suggests any further questions may be asked at
this time or the Interpreter may be brought from trance.
HOW UFO RESEARCHERS GATHER THEIR INFORMATION
(High Praise To Valdamar Valerian)
QUESTION:
"We do have a few more questions while we're on this subject.
In the book, now out of print, called THE MATRIX, by Valdamar
Valerian, who's of the Nevada Aerial Research Group, there's a little
additional information I'd like to read, and ask if this information
on these entities is also valid."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness wishes to make a comment here, in regard to the
entity Valerian. This Awareness indicates that many entities may
wonder: How can a UFO researcher, having a group and putting out a
newsletter on UFOs, get so much information and have it accurate or
worthwhile? Is it possible that they are simply making up
information to print?
This Awareness indicates that in some cases, this is so. There
are some who start out on a shoe string, read magazines and then put
out information. There are many stories in some tabloids that are
simply fabricated, made up, but this Awareness indicates there is an
enormous amount of UFO information that has been double-checked in
different ways. There are many entities in the field of UFO
technology, working within the government, working in areas or living
in areas near bases, or people who have some relationship with
similar entities, and who have some knowledge, many of these entities
having spent much of their lifetime studying UFOs or UFO technology
or working with government branches that were involved in such, and
as these entities reach a certain age or leave their occupation or
begin to feel a twinge of guilty conscience about what they perceive
as not being the highest and best for the American people, they begin
to desire to give this information, to get it out.
These entities often write to groups like the Nevada Aerial
Research Group and the entity Valerian; and this entity, just by
being there, receives enormous amounts of information from people who
have something to tell, whose history and background was deeply
involved in this kind of cover-up, and these entities often
corroborate each other's testimony. One can say something; five
years later, another report comes in that verifies something that
came in before, and these entities in corroborating each other, lend
credit, especially if these entities did not know each other or came
from different backgrounds and had no similar connection, and the
same is so for abductees; wherein the abductee from South America
experiences the same thing as an abductee from Europe or Asia or the
United States, a pattern begins to emerge and that pattern indicates
something real is happening all over the world.
This Awareness indicates it is in this manner that information
is gathered that tends to indicate a strong validity, even though the
information may seem to be out of this world, and even alien to one's
intelligence.
(This Awareness suggests the question continue).
THE VARIOUS SPECIES OF ALIENS IN THE UNDERGROUND CITY
QUESTION RESUMES:
"Yes. This quoted from the book, THE MATRIX.
"Grey Species 2--the Reticulans. This species is the one most
commonly thought of as being `Greys', and is the one popularized
in recent books about the subject. This species consists of
beings that exists at 3rd, 4th, and 5th density levels. Most of
them exist at the 4th density level, which means that they are
telepathic in nature. Those existing at the 5th level have no
physical bodies but must inhabit what they call "doll bodies,"
or android bionic bodies. Connection is sustained with these
bodies through chakra points.
Grey Species 2 is a species that functions in a mode that is
apparently military in nature, with a rigidly defined social
structure that holds science and conquering worlds to be the prime
mover. What appear to be officers in this society have a diagonal
band running across their uniform. Officers are often 5th density,
and sometimes retain what appears to be a toy doll that they exhibit
to others around them. It is thought that this functions as a symbol
of authority among them.
Grey Species 2 are about four feet high, have heads that are
large and black wrap-around eyes. They also have devices that
magnify their mental fields in order to maintain control over humans
abducted. They can withdraw information from the mental field of the
human and use that information to form the basis for mental
projections that influence the human to behave in certain ways.
Some of these ways include disguising themselves as other humans
or other beings in order to gain control over the human being.
Mentally, these species function in what might be termed a
"group mind." They do not have individualized consciousness. This
fact is an advantage to humans because the Greys cannot respond
adequately to a sudden shift in what they perceive to be happening.
They cannot take a "curve ball," either psychologically or otherwise.
Grey Species 2 is a scientifically based society that functions
to study other lifeforms. They have had a part to play in alteration
of human genetics over thousands of years. They seek to cross-breed
with humans to create a mixture-race that will be better than
either."
That was the end of that article. Would Awareness comment as to
the validity of that information?
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this as generally correct: that
there are seven of the Reticuli species or types. These may be
termed races or species; that species is perhaps a better term for
them. There are also seven types of Reptilians of the Draco
civilization. This Awareness indicates that it can become extremely
confusing to get into the many detailed levels of the species and
behaviors of such; that essentially, this information as correct;
that there are other details that can be added or clarified in the
information, but that it is not critical or truly essential to do so.
This Awareness suggests that any further questions be asked or
the Interpreter by brought from trance.
Ed's Note: For information on Valdamar Valerian and his
Nevada Aerial Research Newsletter, please write:
P.O. Box 81407, Las Vegas, Nevada 89180.
This entity has put together a book in 1988, called "The
Matrix: Understanding Aspects of Covert Interaction
With Alien Culture, Technology and Planetary Power
Structures." Several hundred copies were printed. The
book contained 361 pages of information, including
maps and illustrations of alien bases, including their
tunnel network. Called by many UFO researchers,
the most detailed information on aliens to date, "The
Matrix" was also listed in William Cooper's material
as reputable references.
An interesting note, that backs up the information
just given by Awareness, that bits and pieces of inform-
ation comes in to this entity, and years later is verified
by other information. In the last chapter of the `Matrix,'
Valerian included 14 pages of the UFO information
released by C.A.C. in 1978 and early `79, which included
information on aliens, deros, replicas etc. In the preface
to this information, Valerian stated the following:
"COSMIC AWARENESS COMMUNICATIONS"---
Generally seen as one of the most esoteric channeled
sources, C.A.C. does present some interesting concepts.
Some of the data does, in fact, match verified data that
we have about the EBEs. A sample of their newsletter
follows..."
The book, "The Matrix" sold for $60 and is out of
print. Hopefully, demand may force a reprinting and
perhaps an updating of this informative book, which
was published by:
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Phone: (404) 297-4624
We heartily suggest that if you wish to research UFOs
that you write Arcturus Book Service and request their
latest catalog of used, hard-to-find books on this subject.
New catalogs are updated monthly. This editor has been
able to locate quite a few books long out of print,
which Awareness has recommended in the past-the
works of John Keel, for instance. Arcturus Book
Service buys, and sells used books in the UFO and
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COULD HEAT BE A POSSIBLE DETERRENT TO THE ALIENS?
QUESTION:
I had a couple more. In the Book, *THE ARMSTRONG REPORT: THEY
NEED US, WE DON'T NEED THEM, by Virgil Armstrong, he suggests: "We
know the greatest weakness of these aliens is their lack of
spirituality, but what about physical weakness? Surprisingly, the
answer has to do with heat. Apparently, they are extremely sensitive
to excessive heat and cannot safely sustain degrees beyond 80 to 85
degrees Fahrenheit. Beyond this would be injurious or fatal.
"Although I am a firm believer that we must deal with these ET's
primarily through spiritual means, possibly heat may serve as a
deterrent or restraint. Something to ponder."
Will Awareness comment on that theory?
*The Armstrong Report: "They Need Us,
We Don't Need Them," by Virgil Armstrong,
Entheos Publishing, P.O. Box 20174,
Village of Oak Creek, Az 86341. Price:
$7.95 plus postage. (Also available from
C.A.C. although not listed in our Book
Catalog sheet.
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this could be considered as a
beneficial weapon in terms of dealing with these entities at certain
times, or under certain conditions. Unfortunately, for the entity's
argument, it does not appear to apply to all the aliens. The
Reptilians, especially, do not appear to be disturbed by the elements
of heat. This Awareness indicates it applies mostly to the Greys
from Orion, who tend to gravitate more toward the Northern climates.
It is partly for this reason that these entities prefer living under-
ground than above ground. Also, they do not like the effect of the
sun's rays, even when the temperature of the atmosphere is cool, the
sun's rays tend to burn them, and this is not to their liking. It
also is harmful to their eyes.
This Awareness indicates this is fortunate for humans in that
these entities tend to leave the surface alone where humans live,
except at night, when it is cooler and when there is less light.
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"Those underground levels must be air-conditioned, are they not,
because one would think it would be pretty hot down there that far
into the earth."
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that this is in the affirmative; that
generally these are selected areas, staying away from the more hot
locations; these being in areas that tend to be cool, away from magma
and volcanic lava and such that exhibits heat.
HOW MUCH KARMA EXISTS BETWEEN THE ALIENS AND THEIR VICTIMS?
QUESTION:
"In this book I just quoted from, Virgil Armstrong has a theory
I'd like to ask about. He writes: "The theory expounds that those
who are being abducted and tampered with on the surface are in an
agreement with a covenant established in another life. In short,
these unfortunate individuals are purposefully born and placed here
to serve as spare-parts and vehicles of purpose for the ET's in
question. In other words they are to serve the sacrificial needs of
the dying and needy ET's so that their civilization can recoup and
endure.
"If one accepts this, and I don't, then we would have to
presuppose that we are already heavily infiltrated with these
unfortunate individuals, who in truth would be aliens in human
bodies.
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that there does appear to be a certain
type of karma that is carried over in a kind of vibration. This
karma as not necessarily a negative karma, but related to a kind of
alliance; that it is a kind of pace that developed at some time in
the past. This Awareness indicates that the energies on this are not
clear at this time; that the Interpreter as having been in trance for
too long to draw strong energy for this question; that one more
question may be asked.
(FOLLOW-UP QUESTION):
"Well, this might be the same situation. Along this same line,
I was wondering if the genetic experiments on that level described
earlier, those terrible experiments, if there's any possibility that
these creatures created were the genetic engineers in Atlantis
thousands of years ago that perpetrated similar atrocities?"
What goes around comes around...
WHY MOST PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE ALIENS
(PAYING THE PIPER AFTER MAKING A PACT)
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates that in the forming of a pact wherein
one benefits at one time, there is the fee or cost, and there are
certain government people at this time who have formed pacts with
these entities who have not yet paid the fee. This Awareness
indicates that there are also opportunities by some of these entities
to have a second chance to break that cycle of selling themselves to
these beings, and if they can break that cycle, there is that
possibility of escaping from the karma they would otherwise endure.
This Awareness indicates that the entity who forms a pact at one
time in one life, and works for these entities, will return to work
for them again, and each time this occurs, the entity will have that
opportunity to break that alliance, and if the entity can break that
alliance, the enslavement is broken; but generally in the formation
of the alliance and the following opportunities of working with these
entities, there is a great temptation that is based on greed,
tempting the entities not to break the alliance. They actually feel
an attraction, a drawing, a desire to work with, to work for these
aliens. They tend to think of them as masters and want to give
themselves to their cause.
This Awareness indicates that it is this cycle and this
attraction that needs to be broken in order for entities to be free.
This Awareness indicates that there will be further efforts by these
aliens to appeal to the greed of people, particularly involved in the
monetary situation, wherein entities will be given an opportunity to
accept a chip in their hand, an alien-sponsored chip in their hand or
wrist or forehead, whereby if such is accepted, they then belong to
the aliens.
This Awareness indicates that those who at any time accept
aliens as masters will be used by these aliens. That essentially is
the harvest, wherein they collect those who have sold themselves to
the aliens for some security, or monetary gain, or gain of power. It
is a way of weeding out the entity who wants to follow the follower,
from the entity who is an individual who has personal integrity, is
integrated as an individual with their own Divine Center.
This Awareness indicates that in centering yourself with your
own Divine Deity, the aliens can have no control, can have no hold on
you. If you give yourself totally to the Highest and Best in the
sense of the absolute Divine, you are free of any domination by any
force outside, but if you lick the toes of the aliens, (both toes),
you are their servant until you break the cycle.
QUESTION:
"Does Awareness have a closing message?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness indicates there is much here for entities to
consider, to think about. There is much here to give entities great
hope. There is much here to give entities great concern. There is
much here to give entities something to study, something to reflect
on, something to measure their values against, something to put their
life in perspective with. There is much here to give to others, to
share with others, to share carefully discerningly with the right
people.
This Awareness indicates that it is time for entities to do such
sharing. It is valuable for entities to fully digest this
information, reread it approximately three times. Share it. Make
copies. Give entities other sources, references for further
research, so that they do not think that you yourself are getting
your information from one source only. Give them the opportunity to
research it for themselves. Encourage them to do so. Then you will
have someone to talk to about these things.
This Awareness indicates that this is the beginning of the
awakening. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you
free.
(This Awareness suggests the Interpreter be brought from
trance.)
The Law of Gratitude is given.
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: Re: Area 51
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In article <0caNhRG00Uh_Q2Wnw7@andrew.cmu.edu> cs49+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher J. Shields) writes:
>Since I can't e-mail Don Allen I have to post...
>
>Don, a few weeks ago you mentioned that you had a "huge" file on area
>51. could you please post it or send it to me in parts by e-mail. It
>would be greatly appreciated.
Chris,
Check out "Web of Conspiracy"..this is the file I was referring to. It
should get to your area before long.
Don
>
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Subject: Solar Tour Part #6
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(Monka Speaking)
This is truly the birthplace of (human) life upon your planet. Gaze
with wonder and awe! Look upon the majesty of this, the home and cradle
of MAN in this Solar System. For here we see and here dwells, those
mighty beings of the Adamic race. The shimmering haze about this one
blinds your telescopes to the realities present. For the effects of
light, distorted by this one's glowing field of force, hides the truth
from the eyes of men upon your planet. For we find that the air is
light and balmy. It is vibrant. For we see an atmosphere golden in
radiance, beings, fair-haired and majestic. We also see here a civ-
ilizatiion that exists partly between the physical and the etheric.
Whenever we are close to this one, our verty beings leap in recogni-
tion and we send our thoughts of love and gratitude.
I'll leave you with this saying; It is better to have not said something
and wish you had than to have said somnething and wish you hadn't.
Standard Disclaimer.
John.
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I'm not gonna complain about this stuff any more. It's truly
inspired. JOHN, can you mail me copies of everything you've
posted to date? I foolishly threw them away, before I learned
to appreciate them. They are masterpieces of their form.
Keep it up!
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Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed?
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showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) writes:
>It is a matter of the assumption that people seem to make that
>intelligence and spiritual would be connected. They are not, as
>sci.skeptic well proves.
For once Don Showen says something I almost agree with. The intelligent
tend not to be spiritual, and the spiritual tend not to be intelligent. :-}
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"What the gods would destroy they first submit to an IEEE standards committee."
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From: bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh Vander Berg) writes:
> In article <1991Aug6.120038.17853@ujocs.joensuu.fi> asiivo@ujocs.joensuu.fi (
> >k080093@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Josh Vander Berg) writes:
> >
> >>In article <91191.083839JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC
> >>>In my opinion one of the reasons why science has a hard time finding
> >>>the missing link and how man evolved on earth is that man is not
> >>>native of this planet but was brought or came here from other planets
> >
> >>Nice theory, too bad it totally ignores scientific fact. If man was
> >>brought here from another planet, why the heck does he share 99% of his
> >>genome with chimps? Answer: He EVOLVED from monkeys. The reason they
> >>can't find any missing link is because things that lived millions of years
> >>ago are generally pretty damned hard to find evidence of nowadays. I
> >>suppose though that you will just argue that whoever put humans here
> >>genetically engineered us to be very similar to apes. Further and further
> >>into fantasy we tread....
> >
> > The reason why the missing links are so hard to find is that there are
> > no such links at all. A lot of skeletons of apes and people have been
> > found, but no 'links' between them, we must come to a conclusion tha
> > simply, there are no such links.
> >
> > Andreas
> >
> Strange, I am aware of many skeletons having been found which were definitely
> non-human and non-ape, but primates. But then again, I guess all of the
> paleontologists(sp?) are wrong, and you are right. I believe that the
> missing link refers to a link between our proto-human ancestors and "apes".
> To often people use the "missing link" to totally discount evolution. This
> is wrong, looking at one gap in the fossil record does not disprove the
> large body of fossil evidence which shows human's evolution from lower
> primates.
>
> Also, this attitude "the reason we have never found it is because it does
> not exist" I find to be totally repugnant. By this logic, the reason we
> have never seen an atom is because they don't exist, the reason we have
> never seen an electron is because it doesn't exist.
> This viewpoint, aside from being incredible narrow minded,
> ignores the fact that the existence of these things can be infered from
> other directly observable evidence. We know there are electrons because we
> observe phenomenon which can only by explained by the invention of an
> electron "model". We also know that the missing link must somehow exist,
> and can infer quite alot about what the missing link must be like because of
> the body of fossil evidence surrounding this "gap".
>
> --
> Josh Vander Berg (k080093@kzoo.edu)
There are links, but there seems to be no smooth transition between
species. Why are the separate species' fossils so much more prevalent that
the intermediate fossils?
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From: mcripps@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (michael.j.cripps)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Yo! Needles/Communion & Shit
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In article <gccM7bK00Uh_02PFIH@andrew.cmu.edu>, cs49+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher J. Shields) writes:
>
> 1> "Communion" as a movie SUCKED cinematography-wise and somewhat story
> wise.
I don't know if I'd be *that* strong about it, but I tend to agree.
Haven't read the book, though.
> 2> Strieber had an MRI .....NOT a Cat Scan like people have been saying.
> This was reported in a year-old or so issue of OMNI ( I can't remember
> the date but I do remember the article )
Actually, it was June '91. I don't usually buy OMNI, but it was the only
interesting magazine at a Pennsylvania Turnpike rest stop...
> A white spot showed up on his
"spots" according to the article.
> MRI around the area of his optic nerve. This could be an alien implant
> or it could be an air bubble.
> Bud Hopkins was quoted as saying in the issue of Omni
> that it would be virtually impossible to remove the 2mm implant that
> Strieber claims to have.
Hopkins also says that that many radiologists are doing MRIs on patients
that claim to have been abducted and had implants. Maybe we'll see some
statistcal "evidence" sometime soon.
The article also makes a point of pointing out the difficulty in determining
whether some artifact is of alien origin or not. Even if these implants
are found, how are we gonna tell they're alien?
Mike Cripps
mcripps@sodium.att.com
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From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed?
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Joe Mastroianni comments
>I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
>multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
>with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
It is a matter of the assumption that people seem to make that
intelligence and spiritual would be connected. They are not, as
sci.skeptic well proves. The ETs who have been in touch with the Govt.
since the 40's are very intelligent and technological, but have no
feelings or love. Consequently them and the govt. (military) get
along great together. In fact that is why the Govt. attracted that
type instead of a more benevolent, loving, higher, evolved type.
Don Showen
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From: bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Communion question
Keywords: communion
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ewf2@ra.MsState.Edu (Juice S. Aaron) writes:
>
> A few months ago I picked up and read the vast majority of
> the book called Communion. What the book had to say
> was quite interesting and sometimes somewhat shocking
> for me. I spent many a night wondering if big ugly
> aliens with spindly arms would come waltzing down my
> hall (or if they already had and I just didn't remember
> it.) Then I heard that there was a movie based on
> the book and after waiting millenia for it to be
> released on video was able to watch it.
> I noticed that the screenplay for the movie was
> written by Streiber himself so I thought
> we'll get the real picture that was presented in
> the book. Now I watched the movie and afterwards
> I found myself wondering if it was actually true to the
> book. Several minor little things were changed, (such
> as the gender of the psychiatrist he went to) but nothing
> major seemed out of place until the scene near the end with
> the aliens in suit coats and the strangeness that went on then.
> I seem to remember the movie having something really
> out of place near the end that involved the aliens
> dressed up like humans who removed their faces to show
> human faces under them. I don't seem to remember that
> from the book. (Not to say it wasn't in the book as I
> didn't read some bits of the book as well as I read other
> bits)
> Did the movie stick to the book or did streiber take
> liberties with his own supposedly true story?
>
> JSA
I believe the part at the end was a dream he had, which he discussed in
Transformation, the sequel to Communion. The movie did follow the book
somewhat, but left out quite a bit. The visitors never spoke in the movie.
It also kind of showed Strieber as being more affected that he said he was
in the book, and also made him out as being rather strange. Of course, what
do you expect when you have Christopher Walken playing Whitley Streiber? (He
WAS excellent for the part).
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From: bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake)
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Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni) writes:
> In article <kLmB73w164w@doomsday.Spies.COM> bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Bla
> >jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni) writes:
> >
> >> I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
> >> multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
> >> with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
> >>
> >[lines deleted]
> >It makes perfect sense, when you consider that perhaps they are attempting
> >to "ready" our society for the shock of finding out we're NOT alone.
> >
> >--
> >Blake (bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM)
> >
> >Spies in the Wire, PUBLIC ACCESS UNIX -- (408) 867-7400
>
> Actually, my point is: Why would an advanced civilization regard our form
> of government as a vehicle to communicate or control the masses? When
> we take eggs from chickens, we don't bother to ask the "head rooster". We
> go right to the chickens. Its easier.
>
> Joe
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> jdm@cadence.com daren't go a hunting; for fear of little men "
When you consider the amount of help our government is supposed to have
given them, and the fact that they may be able to hide from the general
public, but not from the government (Radar DOES pick them up, and the govt
has known about them since the crash at Roswell, which may have been staged)
it seems perfectly reasonable that they would communicate with our
government in order to keep them from releasing the information too early.
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Subject: Re: Great Pyramid part 4
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HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> The address is only interesting because we both work at the same
> lab. John is a real, genuine and honest person. I don't agree with
> him on much but I don't discount his arguments just because of his
> spelling. Some people believe, and the logic of a believer can
> never be understood by a non-believer or should be. Maybe I will
> show him how to use spellfix.
Why don't you just teach him how to SPELL?
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From: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Crop Circles in the UK
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On Tuesday of last week an entirely new crop formation appeared
for the first time near West Woods, Lockeridge. From the air this
looks like an enormous fish, whale or dolphin 200 ft long. At each
end straight pathways of flattened crop lead out into the centre of
large rings 60 ft in diameter. The two paths are co-linear and form
the central axis of the formation about which it is symmetrical.
On either side of this great fish-shape are other pathways each slanted
backwards at 45 deg. These have the appearance of flippers, or perhaps
the dorsal and ventral fins of this marine animal.
Whether this represents a whale, a dolphin or other fish, hooked
between two great rings is not clear. Certainly the elongated tapering
body which which has filled out from a swirled circle at its centre is
something never previously seen. Last Thursday a further identical
formation appeared near Beckhampton, three miles away. One interesting
facet is that the plain ring with a straight path to its centre is one
element of the "unbelievable" pictogram at Barbury Castle, which
Dr Meaden has had to say is a hoax.
On Thursday a friend of mine was being interviewed for a Channel 4
documentary in the first "whale" at Lockeridge. This proved almost
impossible due to the noise of helicopters and microlights above.
He met Robert Watts who was trying to film the formation for his new
movie at the same time. He is a film-maker who helped George Lucas
produce 'Star Wars' and who made movies like 'Indiana Jones and the
Temple of Doom', etc. His colossal helicopter which roared overhead,
and to which he gave instructions through a walkie- talkie, made the
Robinson my friend was in look like a toy.
Footage of the Circles will be used in his latest movie,
'Once upon a time in the Universe', which will be released in late 1992.
Above in the helicopter they were using a fabulously expensive VistaVision
movie camera, one of only three in the world. Talking to him later they
discovered that he was extremely knowledgable about the circles and had
a very good insight into the circles nature .
My friend was flattered to hear that he attributed this to some extent
to what he had written in 'The Crop Circle Enigma'. (Published by CCCS)
In the last few days two more similar formations have appeared in the
Silbury Hill area. The latest ones are smaller and have the end rings over-
lapping the tapering ends of the "fish-body". The two flippers are missing.
One of these formations is near the end of Stone Avenue, an avenue of
menhirs running S. from the great Stone Circle at Avebury. The connection
between the dowsable energy lines which run through this Stone Circle
and along Stone Avenue and the new formations seems undoubted.
This is immediately next to the energy line whose remarkable variations
had been dowsed during the earlier months of this year. And beside this
new formation is a precise semicircle which is also something not
previously seen.
Reports are coming in of circles and larger formations in Cambridgeshire,
Nottinghamshire, Cornwall, Kent, Essex, Buckinghamshire and Hampshire
all of which have been found in the last few days. There are many
different shapes, some completely new like the strange curly designs
being found near Cheesefoot Head. A quincunx formation in which one
of the four satellites is replaced by a triangle has appeared near
Chequers, a Prime Ministerial residence near High Wycombe. I am told
that the arrow-like triangle points straight at Chequers.
There is a few formations in Cambridgeshire last weekend. Just a simple
pictogram or two at Sutton near Ely where circles have never previously
appeared and a magnificent 200ft diameter ring (10 ft wide) where the
standing wheat in the middle is quite undisturbed. The latter, at Elton,
was found one year to the day after a similar formation in the same
place in 1990. The field where this ring and a smaller ring and circle
are situated is right over the site of ancient Durobrivae, the second
largest settlement in Roman Britain.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Re: Question On Significant Dates
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> From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
> Date: 7 Aug 91 02:50:22 GMT
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> If this is your only objection to Strieber, I suggest you re-think
> things (and read a bit more). He explains the episode you speak of in
> _Transformation_ which is a sequel to _Communion_. What is it you
> object to about the story he told?
>
> Personally, I have two things to say about Strieber: (1) I don't
> believe he's lying and (2) he's a *lot* smarter than your average
> UFO-nut (or average person, for that matter). I'd like to see how *you*
> handle the situation he's (apparently) been put into.
I would be really interested in what Strieber's story has to say that
convinced you that he was telling the truth? I suspect that he is a lot
smarter than the average person, but that doesn't add to his credibility. I
have heard a lot of stories on the "inside" of things that convince me that
Strieber was making it all up. But why?
> BTW, it's comments like yours that have led Strieber to label ufologists
> "the cruellest, nastiest and craziest people I have ever encountered."
He labels ufologists that way because we are smart to his game. After a
lengthy time of trying to get us to accept his crap, he jumps ship. Tell me,
just how concerned is he to leave his devotees high and dry without any
resources to help them with their problems?
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien Spacecraft To Be Displayed? [forwarded From Sci.astro]
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> From: wsadjw@rw7.urc.tue.nl (Jan Willem Nienhuys)
> Date: 6 Aug 91 16:22:22 GMT
> Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands
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> This cattle mutilation bit is thought up by silly woolly blockheads,
> who couldn't distinguish a chain saw from a surgical knife, and who,
> when they happen on a dead animal that has been gnawed at by small
> predators (who like the soft parts, like the genitals, yes these
> so called "certain glands" why mince words, their balls of course,-
> when they happen on such things, these paranormal yokels can only
> think up the most implausible explanation, UFO's and Satanic Rituals
> (you know these guys that revel in sneaking up on dead carcasses in the
> dead of the night and relish in biting off - with surgical precision of
> course - their half rotten eyes, cunts and dicks and arses - (off the
> carcasses of course), all in the sick imagination of UFO-freaks and
> Fundamentalist devil-hunters and hillbilly cops) and what have you.
> Yechch (sp?).
>
> It really doesn't help to send police officers, pathologists,
> veterinary surgeons and so on to investigate, because whatever they say
> sinks in the morassess of the hordes of ignorant nitwits and
> summertime journalism, to vanish out of sight forever and ever.
Your ignorance of the subject only serves to surpass your lack of lack of
dignity and net-manners.
Most of the "animal mutilations" can be attributed to the action of predators,
and other human-related phenomena, however there are a good number that have
occurred which have been given the title of "classic mutilations." And, there
have been some qualified pathological work done on the animals to indicate
that a technology beyond ordinary was used to perform the surgery. Further,
what makes this so incredible is the testimony of witnesses who have been in
the area prior to the mutilations, or in some cases, during. While I don't
ascribe an ET or UFO-related connection, some of the evidence is compelling,
and deserves attention.
In the future, please keep your foul mouth shut until you have the facts. I
would appreciate it, as your posting was offensive.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Re: Emotional Food...
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> From: galen@hoptoad.uucp (Galen Wolf)
> Date: 7 Aug 91 03:33:13 GMT
> Organization: Anu
> Message-ID: <20008@hoptoad.uucp>
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> > seems to be going along with this coverup. How did the U.S convince
> > these nations to go along? What evidence did they present them, and
> > what possible arguments could they have used?
>
> government is government, worldwide.
It should read: economics are economics, worldwide :-)
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Saucer Symbols References
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> From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
> Date: 7 Aug 91 13:41:31 GMT
> Organization: V. I. Corporation, Amherst, Massachusetts
> Message-ID: <1991Aug7.134131.17818@vicorp.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
>
> Does anyone know of any resources which contain pictures or descriptions
> of any symbols purported to be seen inside UFOs or on UFO retrieved
> material? For instance, the symbols said to be have seen inside the
> Roswell saucer.
As far as I know, there has been no crypto-analysis done in the civilian world,
but you can bet that the government has done plenty with it, considering that
there was lots of that material containing the writing in the Roswell crash.
It would be very interesting to find more of this material and work on it to
see if the nut could be cracked. At the present time, there just isn't
enough.
Mike
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From: mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
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Subject: Re: Reading material
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eherrera@zinfandel.metaphor.com (Eric Herrera) writes:
One question... I presume that we are all familiar with the
plain of Nazca in Peru (big ground etchings of monkeys,
hummingbirds, spiders and other things discernable only from a
pretty good altitude, and supposedly quite old)... any
theories, debunks, etc.? Is this a FAQ?
... I seem to recall some fellas (funded by Nat'l Geographic Soc., I
think) a few years back trying to create a hot-air balloon with
time-of-drawings-available materials and techniques. They succeeded.
If you make the presumption that the people of the Nazca could
reason out the hot-air-rises->flying-in-a-balloon, then the scenario
goes like this:
The priests/king/whatever were able to direct/observe the patterns
on the ground from the air via tethered balloons (it does have a
certain appeal -- pictures that *only* a select few non-peons can
see). The stories of [dead] kings 'flying away' comes from
black-balloon-'coffins', that rose out of sight due to solar heating.
Anybody got a 'harder' reference?
Hope this helps,
Charles
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sorry! just testing.
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From: carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu (Carl J Lydick)
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Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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In article <0geD73w164w@doomsday.Spies.COM>, bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blake) writes:
> There are links, but there seems to be no smooth transition between
>species. Why are the separate species' fossils so much more prevalent that
>the intermediate fossils?
Because frequently the periods in which conditions exist under which fossils
will be formed are not as long as the time taken for speciation?
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From: carl@sol1.gps.caltech.edu (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Solar Tour part#5
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In article <91220.073933JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>the one known as Jupiter. Truly, this is a singular sight to gaze upon
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So now Jupiter's a black hole? And even a naked singularity? :-)
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From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
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Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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In bbs.blake@doomsday.Spies.COM (Blak writes...
> ...
> When you consider the amount of help our government is supposed to have
>given them, and the fact that they may be able to hide from the general
>public, but not from the government (Radar DOES pick them up, and the govt
>has known about them since the crash at Roswell, which may have been staged)
>it seems perfectly reasonable that they would communicate with our
>government in order to keep them from releasing the information too early.
How many air-traffic controllers, both civilian and military; how many
pilots and flight-engineers, both civilian and military; how many ground
radar operators, both civilian and military; how many levels of government;
how many governments in the world are involved in this 'conspiracy' ? ;-)
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From: roa@davinci.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert O. Anderson Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Roswell
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Ireallyam: roa
>>wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>>What do YOU think happened at Roswell and do you think there may indeed
>>be other worlds with a form of life at *least* as intelligent as our own?
>From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
^^^^^^^**
>First off: something *did* crash near Roswell. *What* crashed is
>up-for-grabs. With the evidence the public has on it, it's really the
>you may as well flip a coin: "heads" it's a UFO; "tails" it's a Fugo.
>If the government came forward and said, "It was a Fugo and
>here's the remains of it..." that doesn't prove anything. They could be
>faking it. The only way to settle it is to come out and say, "It was a
>UFO and here it is..." if that's what happened.
>In my opinion, however, it was a UFO.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Let me get this straight, if the government says it's a UFO,
then it MUST BE a UFO. If they say it's a Fugo, then they're LYING !!
Bobby
**Now I understand.
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
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Subject: Re: Roswell
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In article <1991Aug9.131349.11285@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> roa@davinci.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert O. Anderson Jr) writes:
=>
=>>>wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
=>
=>>>What do YOU think happened at Roswell and do you think there may indeed
=>>>be other worlds with a form of life at *least* as intelligent as our own?
=>
=>>From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
=> ^^^^^^^**
=>
=>
=>>First off: something *did* crash near Roswell. *What* crashed is
=>>up-for-grabs. With the evidence the public has on it, it's really the
=>>you may as well flip a coin: "heads" it's a UFO; "tails" it's a Fugo.
=>>If the government came forward and said, "It was a Fugo and
=>>here's the remains of it..." that doesn't prove anything. They could be
=>>faking it. The only way to settle it is to come out and say, "It was a
=>>UFO and here it is..." if that's what happened.
=>
=>>In my opinion, however, it was a UFO.
=> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
=>
=> Let me get this straight, if the government says it's a UFO,
=>then it MUST BE a UFO. If they say it's a Fugo, then they're LYING !!
It's easy to fabricate a story about a Fugo. The government has several
samples of them (and displays them occasionally). How many ET craft
have you seen in the Smithsonian? In other words, you'll *never* settle
the argument by providing evidence that it was a ballon bomb.
=>Bobby
(Say Hello to your brothers Peter and Greg for me)
=>**Now I understand.
Could you explain what my being at Oakland University in Rochester in Oakland
county, Michigan reveals to you? How old are you, Bobby? Just learning
to type?
=> bobby@virginia.edu (Internet)
=> bobby@virginia (BITNET)
Only *one* Bobby in all of Virginia? It's a good thing.
--
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Mostly H20 and whatever pizza and Diet Pepsi digest into
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Subject: End of week.
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Goodmorning everybody it's the end of the week. I trust that
no one received any perminent damage from anything said this week.
Last night I made two shows with NASA. The first show I interviewed
two of the astronaunts that were on the June 5, 1991 flight, and the
second one was some information about the shuttle. When I do shows
with NASA I do them stright down the line with none of my wierd stuff
in it like next week I'll be looking into some eye witness reports of
unicorns in South America.
I'll leave you with this saying; As Dean Martin used to say at the end
of his TV program, keep those cards and letters coming in folks.
Standard Disclaimer.
John.
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Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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In article <1991Aug8.155535.20373@cadence.com>, jdm@cadence.com (Joe
Mastroianni) writes:
#
# Actually, my point is: Why would an advanced civilization regard our form
# of government as a vehicle to communicate or control the masses? When
# we take eggs from chickens, we don't bother to ask the "head rooster". We
# go right to the chickens. Its easier.
That's funny. I had assumed throughout this thread that your point was that
these alien civilization would look for some intelligent life to communicate
with, rather than talking to the US Govt.
John
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From: eherrera@zinfandel.metaphor.com (Eric Herrera)
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Subject: Rosewell incident
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Hello everyone, happy Friday...
could (will) somebody *please* send or post a list of books, articles,
etc. which address this Rosewell crash so frequently referred to here?
Thank you in advance...
Oh yeah... is this group primarily a "what do you think of this UFO/alien
thing" or do some of us claim sightings and/or abductions? Just curious...
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From: M14494@mwvm.mitre.org
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Subject: Re: Roswell
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>What do *you* think happened at Roswell...?"
<lots of stuff deleted>
I think *nothing* happened at Roswell. I'll quote Carl Sagan, who said"
Remarkable claims require remarkable proofs". Damn straight. If you tell me
that there's a Chevy Nova parked outside, I'll probably believe you without
much proof because Novas aren't too remarkable, and the consequences of
believing it if it turns out to be untrue are very small. But if you tell
me the Earth is being visited by beings from another world, I'm going to
require good proof before I'll believe that beause it is very remarkable, and
the consequences of believing it if it's untrue are large. I'll also quote
a legal principle: Habeas Corpus. It means "you should have the body", and
is broadly interpreted to require proof before imprisoning someone. All the
"evidence" of extraterrestrial spacecraft is just talk; there a lots of
people who *say* they've seen one or even flown in one, who *say* that the
feds have a hanger full of them somewhere, who *say* they've held peices of
wrecked spaceships in their hand, but it's all just talk. There has never
been a systematic, scientific, public study of an ET or a ship, never so much
as one clear, unambiguous picture of one, never an interview with one on the
Carson show. Habeas Corpus, dudes! Maybe it's true that the place is thick
with Martians abducting folks, chopping up cows, and doodling in the winter
wheat in England. Maybe it's true that the Feds are covering the whole thing
up. But for me, I'm going to withhold my belief until I see some evidence
other than anecdotes and wishful thinking.
[Opinions expressed are my own, and not necessarily those of my employer]
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