Questions about PROTECTION part eight
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"And we stand and watch the gods and idols fall, as the blameless ones go
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From: marz@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.zam)
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Subject: George Knapp and KLAS in Las Vegas...
Keywords: KLAS, George Knapp, video tape, 9-part series
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Earlier this week I requested a copy of the nine part series that
George Knapp did on the UFO research in the area known as S-4 on
the local military base. Not one person mailed or posted in response.
I turned to the net because KLAS was unwilling to produce any more
video tape copies "due to overwhelming demand". Didn't anybody
on this news group get a copy? Did anybody see this series? Did it
ever really happen?!?
I would like to restart the discussion on this series. I was really
starting to enjoy it, when it abruptly ended. Did all of you who saw
this get erased like the fellow who worked at S-4? I wonder...
Thanks in advance,
Martin Zam
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From: billy@anasaz (Bill Moore)
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Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
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In article <999@systech.bjorn.COM> johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>In article <4480@anasaz.UUCP> billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
>>>
>>>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>>>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
>>>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
>>>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
>>
>>What evidence do you know about that supports the crashed UFO claim? Aside
>>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
>>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
>>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
>>
>
>Good point Bill. You should know just as much as anyone I suppose.
>
>So far, I'm about half way through Randle and Schmitt's Roswell book,
>and I would say this:
>
> Based on what is presented in the book, take witness A's testimony +
> witness B's testimony + witness C's testimony + ......
> (you get the picture), I would conclude that an alien craft had crashed.
>
>Can peoples' testimony that you read in a book be taken as evidence?
>
>I tried to state that I'm no expert in UFO matters. Of course I don't
>have any direct evidence! I would not pretend that I'm an expert, and
>I surely wouldn't spout off that "I know for sure".
>
>I guess what you're trying to do is question the manner in which I
>reach my own personal conclusions. I would say that Vallee's Confrontations
That's what this is all about isn't it? We lay this stuff out on the net
to see if it can withstand the level of examination its going to get.
>book and the mentioned Roswell book are honest attempts to present evidence
>that UFO's are for real. Should I discount the evidence presented in
>the books just because I don't have any direct, physical proof?
>
>And about those "flimsy hearsay statements": Are you very politely stating
>that each of the witnesses making statements in these books are liars?
>Are you attempting to very subtly de-bunk these books, and the reputable
>authors who wrote them?
>
No, I don't think these witnesses are liars. I've been into this for a long,
long time and have come across all kinds of claims from credible people who
I believe are telling the truth. As Vallee concludes in "Confrontations",
these people have experienced something that cannot be explained. I don't
accept the alien visitors theory but my mind is open. I'm anxious to look
at any evidence anyone puts forward but will do so with a critial eye.
In Roswell, we have a lot of investigation and proof that whatever happened
is a military secret but none of that has moved the UFO claim forward even
one iota. If you look at the "timeline" and "list of witnesses" in the
Randall and Schmidt book and cross out everything that goes to show that
the military is keeping a secret as opposed to a UFO crash, you're left
with the following:
1. Fourteen credible witnesses, four with good technical backgrounds, who
could not identify the debris.
2. Hearsay statements that Barnett told three people he had come across a
crashed UFO.
3. Second hand hearsay about an unidentified source who said she too had
seen the same thing. This (along with other second hand hearsay) is
what I meant by "flimsy." Since it followed an NBC program about the
Roswell crash, since its second hand, since its hearsay, since the
source is not identified, this stuff is worthless.
4. A medical clerk at Wright-Patterson who claims to have seen an alien
corpse.
I think this all adds up to an interesting case that could stand more
investigation but don't agree it constitutes proof a UFO crashed at Roswell.
In fact, if the UFO part of this case had been presented without the drama
of a military cover-up, it wouldn't get a second thought.
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From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen)
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Subject: Re: Mars Face.
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Jeff Later asks
>I remember "someone" posting information regarding the
>availability of large wall mount "posters" of the Mars Face
>for sale????
The poster has about 6 different images with one showing the geometric
relationships between the structures. We had speakers on this at
our Family of Light Network meeting the other evening. They suggested
that there are encoded messages in the geometric relationships that
could lead to incredible break throughs. They are hoping next years
Mars mission will bring back much clearer pictures for further
study.
They are looking for people to join their group to support the project
if anyone is interested let me know.
They are not directly associated with the address below.
One other thing I recently concluded. The Pleiadians mention
an early man advanced society buried under Anartica.
I think the Mars Face/pyramids and this society are
connected. See my Pleiadian quote on the thread How life begin or
something like that.
This poster is a companion piece to the audio cassette program THE
MONUMENTS OF MARS,. Copyright 1989 by Enhanced Audio Systems and
Richard C Hoagland. For each additional cassette, please send $10.95.
For each additional poster, send $3.00. For more information about the
Mars Investigation, plus a book catalog, send $2.00. Add 7%, sales tax
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From: mru@unislc.uucp (Mara Ulis)
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Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Keywords: ufo encounter
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In article <625@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600hubb@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Richard Hubbell) writes:
>Did anyone see a show that had a piece on a ufo encounter in Texas?
>I saw part of it tonite (7-10-91) I missed a portion of it when
>signal went out from channel 6. A woman, her mother, and a child
>were driving when they saw some kind of craft. They stopped and the
>woman got out of the car to look at the ufo. The encounter lasted about
>ten minutes. The ufo was hovering the whole time. The ufo left and
>the woman got into the car as they were leaving a squadron of
>helicopters approached (the older woman counted 23 helicopters) she
>described them as the type with to rotors. Approx. 6 hours later they
>all became ill. The mother had the worst symptoms, followed by the
>child and then the older woman. According to the physician treating her
>she suffered from radiation exposure. Her skin was burned and she
>eventually lost her hair. A ufo researcher went to the site where
>this occurred and verified a dark patch of the asphalt that had been
>scarred by intense heat. I think his name was Schlouser(sp.) he also
>was told later that some trucks had gone to the site and removed all
>traces of the burnt asphalt and replaced it with new.
> At first the Air Force acknowledged that something did
>occur but then they went back on there original claim and denied that
>anything happened. I'd like to hear more about this incident if
>anyone can add more info. It happened 10 years ago in late 1980
>in Texas(Dayton?). All three are still alive but the woman has been
>diagnosed with cancer and the older woman and child still also
>suffer from strange illnesses.
>
>RH
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You are referring to the Andreasson Affair. The MUFON investigator
was John Schussler(sp). There are some books out about this case.
Also, you might contact MUFON for more information. Their address is
Walt Andrus, Director 103 Oldtowne Road Seguin, Texas 78155.
Hope this helps.
Mara Ulis
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Ed Walters
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> From: mcn@apollo.hp.com (Michael McNulty)
> Date: 9 Jul 91 19:13:37 GMT
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>
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading this newsgroup for a little while, but this is
> my first posting to it. I have a feeling that I may be bringing
> up an already-discussed issue, but I'm still interested in it. I
> hope it doesn't bore anyone if it is repetitive.
>
> What's the story with Ed Walters? He's the guy who has taken about
> 40 really great pictures of what he claims are space crafts in Gulf
> Breeze, Florida. He, along with is wife Frances, wrote a book and
> did the lecture and TV talk show circuits. By the end of his book,
> he was hinting that he has vague recollections of perhaps, maybe,
> sort of having been abducted or in contact with aliens as a child
> and that he was in contact with Budd Hopkins and had undergone
> hypnosis. He said that he wasn't ready to publicly discuss the
> results of his hypnosis sessions yet, though. I noticed in a
> friend's either CUFO or MUFON magazine (whichever one of them was
> sort of originally backing Ed for awhile), that he claimed to have
> later discovered a crop circle in his neighborhood. The last thing
> I heard of him, he was defending himself against charges that models
> of the crafts were found in his house after he moved.
Ed does claim that he was abducted as part of the difficulty he experienced
with the aliens. His case was studied by the late Dr. Dan Overlade, including
video tapes made during his regression sessions with Dr. Overlade. This whole
mess is embroiled in controversy. The reasons for this are numerous. First,
MUFON, the so-called "scientific UFO investigative organization," botched
several things procedurally in their investigation. It has also been alleged
that the principle investigators took their own preconceived ideas about what
UFOs are and forced it into the outcome of this case. In all of the separate
incidents where MUFON was involved heavily, not one of their investigators
managed to photograph the object, even though they were in close proximity to
the sightings, and around Ed. The business with the model that was found is
also extremely suspect, although there has been no decent reporting done of
this find to my knowledge. There are charges flying back and forth that
someone planted the model to make Ed look like a hoaxer, and of course, Ed
denies this charge completely.
> My criticism (an odd one, I'll admit) is that his pictures are almost
> TOO good. It's just hard for me to believe that he got pictures this
> good and that up close. I have a feeling that if they were legit,
> someone (AP, New York Times) would be paying a little more attention
> to him.
What we have here are photographs that *are* too good to be true. But, more
than that, we have a well-known UFO organization, an optical physicist, a
leading abduction researcher, and a host of other people advancing that this
case represents contact from an extraterrestrial civilization, all without one
shred of proof, other than photographs, which can't tell us anything. In my
opinion, it is not the photographs that are at issue here, it is the
circumstances surrounding the way that they were arrived at, the person making
the report, and the organization that was entrusted to do their job after
several years of practice in collecting and analyzing data scientifically.
Our organization approached Dr. Robert Nathan of JPL about these photographs,
and he stated that he was almost certain that they were representative of
trickery.
> What do most people think of him? Is he respected or is he considered
> a pretty good hoaxer who just hasn't been caught yet? Or has he been
> caught and I missed it? My feeling is that he started this off as a
> joke and it ballooned out of his control until he couldn't contain it
> anymore and he had to go along with it or he'd look foolish.
Zan Overall, a noted UFO researcher in California, has done an exhaustive
study on Ed's background. A couple of years prior to the Gulf Breeze fiasco,
Ed used to entertain the neighborhood kids at his home. He has a son and a
daughter, and they used to conduct seances "for fun," which during the
seances, Ed would take photographs (you got it, with a Polaroid) of the kids
sitting in a circle chanting the 23rd Psalms backwards. Allegedly, a "demon"
would show up in the picture around the kid that was selected by this demon
and it would follow this person around for the duration of the night. He
seriously frightened a girl one evening, who has later testified to this fact.
Additionally, Ed made a statement to one of the guys in the crowd that he was
going to do the "ultimate hoax" someday. Of course, I just bet Ed didn't
figure on this mess coming out of the past to haunt him, but it has, and the
alleged "ghost" photo is making the rounds through the UFO community. It
sounds like the intent to hoax was present.
Bottom line...the UFO research community has been damaged by this whole mess.
Why? Because as the world watches, MUFON has begun a smear campaign against
anyone who has taken a dissenting viewpoint of this case. The Interntional
Director told me that he was "tired of the trash that people were putting out
about Gulf Breeze." He has removed from administrative or staff duties,
several noted researchers because they were not sold on Gulf Breeze. Finally,
MUFON and Dr. Bruce Maccabee accepted money from Ed Walters for their part in
this case. These funds were paid out of the book proceeds. In a field where
credibility is number one concern, it seems that there has been a very poor
showing of this for the world to see.
Whatever Gulf Breeze represents, it is certain that it has nothing to do with
UFOs.
Hope this helps.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Re: About Roswell And The Govt. Coverup
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> From: 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans)
> Date: 10 Jul 91 02:36:03 GMT
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> As a follow on, I can only sit and wonder what information has been
> gained
> from the research the US government would have conducted on the aliens
> and
> their crashed ship. What additional information could the US government
> be
> withholding about further incidents of this type since 1947?
Greetings down under!
I would just about bet that there is a lot of technology which we are becoming
very familiar with that could have been gleaned from research such as the
crash of 1947.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Klas In Las Vegas...
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> From: marz@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.zam)
> Date: 10 Jul 91 13:26:20 GMT
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>
> Has anyone got a video tape copy of the 9 part series that
> George Knapp did for KLAS in Las Vegas, Nevada? After reading
> discussions on this news group, I called them for a copy. They
> said that they had to refuse, due to the overwhelming demand
> for copies. This 9 part series severely overloaded their ability
> to dub copies.
Contact me at mcorbin@scicom.alphacdc.com and I will see what I can do for
you.
Mike
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: Re: The Pleiadians on Crop Circles
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>>> HARMONICS OF FREQUENCY MODULATION AND THE HUMAN
>>> DNA
>>> November 15 , 1990 Terman Auditorium, Stanford University
>>> Palo Alto, California
>>>
>>> Audience Question: I am curious about the phenomenon of the
>>> circles in the fields in England?
>>>
>>> The Pleiadians:
>>> We will speak briefly about that. How many of you have heard us
>>> talk about the, language of light geometry? Intelligence, of
>>
>>etc., etc.,
>>
>>And I thought my post about Heaven's BBS was amusing...
>>
>>I have a question for the Pleiadians-- if they're responsible for crop
>>circles, then can they create one, on demand, in a particular shape for us at
>>a specific place and time? I'd like to see a perfectly hexagonal one, myself.
>>
>>Until they pass such a simple test, then I'll assume someone's yaking our
>>chains about these circle thingies.
>
>Hey, if they're so all-powerful, I want them to make one in the shape of a
>Mandelbrot set.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Keep on scoffing you skeptics..but use gentle words..you will have to eat them
one day. :-)
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
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Subject: Re: Field Circles
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In article <1991Jul9.014812.7979@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
>In article <1991Jul8.055257.896@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>In article <3955@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> ijameson@adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au.oz.au (Iain Jameson) writes:
>>>
>>>According to a news item I just heard, "Field Circles" have been
>>>produced in the laboratory.
>>>It was done in Japan using plasma fireballs (ionized air).
>>>
>>>Of course this will have to be confirmed and duplicated.
>>>But we all know enough about science to realise this.
>>
>>Gee, how many laboratories contain fields?
My feed has been in yoyo mode for a few days and I missed the original two
articles. But could someone post more details on this news report? Where
did it appear? The closest thing I've heard is that someone, I can't
remember where, has succeeded in producing plasma vortices and, guess what,
they naturally spin off little satellite vortices. But this was all under
very controlled conditions. They weren't turned loose on a field, and in
fact I don't have any idea how they *could* be. Not to mention the fact
that they weren't anywhere near the size of the circles!
I've also heard, on ParaNet, that someone has discovered that there is a
certain energy level at which grass can be softened and bent, but not
killed, with microwaves. I think the experiment was done in an ordinary
microwave oven, and it wasn't the power that was the determining factor but
the time.
Now, this is all very interesting, but how do you get a really *big* plasma
vortex in the open air? And what causes it to make anything other than
circles?
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
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In article <316@jabaru.oz.au> 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans) writes:
>
>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
>>
>>The frustrating part for me is that all of the facts have been covered up.
>>Just what is the truth? What the f*** is going on?
>>
>>If a crash occured at Roswell, and aliens were recovered, then to me,
>>this would be the most significant event that has occurred in all of
>>human history. Does anyone else agree with this viewpoint??
>
>I would also have to agree that based on fact a craft did crash at Roswell
>back in 1947. There has been a lot of written information (third party)
>detailing investigations regarding this incident. A new book is about to be
>released on the Roswell incident which discloses some fantastic facts about
>the incident. The authors have spent a considerable amount of time
>researching the incident and in light of the new evidence and information
>contained in the book (providing it is correct) I am convinced that an alien
>craft DID crash at Roswell. Your viewpoint regarding an important event in
There is a book out now called "UFO Crash At Roswell" and I would recommend
it _most highly_. The authors are Kevin Randle, Capt, USAF-Ret and Don
Schmitt. Published by AVON and available in paperback. This book is a MUST
READ for anyone interested in finding out all the details. The book names
PLENTY of names.
This book,in my opinion, is the ~smoking gun~ that exposes the Govt COVERUP.
Don
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Illuminati < MJ-12|Greys|TLC|CFR|FED|Bilderbergs > UN = "New World Order"
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
Message-ID: <1991Jul12.000115.6189@bilver.uucp>
Date: 12 Jul 91 00:01:15 GMT
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In article <4480@anasaz.UUCP> billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
>In article <316@jabaru.oz.au> 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans) writes:
>>
>>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
>>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
>>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
>
>What evidence do you know about that supports the crashed UFO claim? Aside
>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
>
>... stuff deleted ...
Mr Moore..it is plenty obvious to me that you haven't got a bloody clue!
Go get some books and do your research!!
I would most heartily recommend the Randle/Schmitt book, "UFO Crash
at Roswell" that just came out in paperback and published by AVON
books.
Not to mention that Stanton Friedman has been also working on this
for years...
Don
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Illuminati < MJ-12|Greys|TLC|CFR|FED|Bilderbergs > UN = "New World Order"
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From: sheepsqueezer@kcbbs.gen.nz (Colin Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Drive System & Navigation
Message-ID: <1991Jul15.172342.485@kcbbs.gen.nz>
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I seem to remember that when Don Allen posted a list of MUFONet files
there were some interesting-looking ones about gravity/antigravity (&
I think one about vacuum energy) in the general science section. Perhaps
it would be possible for someone to post them on the net? (Don are you
up to it? :-) Then all of us who are interested in drives could discuss
them. I'd do it myself, but unfortunately I can't get there from here
:-)
Sheepsqueezer @kcbbs.gen.nz
----------------------------
The Four National Areas have been tested...
These tests have proved that the planet is immune to truth.
-- 'Shikasta', Doris Lessing
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?
Message-ID: <jms.5137@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 14 Jul 91 03:45:52 GMT
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There have allegedly been other crashes since Roswell. You're just not
hearing about them outside the U.S., probably since Roswell was the first
and its had time to spread. Roswell is also, to the best of my knowledge,
the best-researched and documented. (If it wasn't before, it will be after
this summer's book releases!) It's also probably one of the most credible.
At Roswell, we know that *something* crashed. Some of the others are just
based on stories from private citizens, with no newspaper articles etc. to
say that *anything* actually happened.
There were (allegedly) a few more in the west in the '40s and (I think)
'50s, and one in Pennsylvania in the '60s. There are also *extremely*
dubious stories of very recent crashes in Canada and South Africa.
--
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | "Let's become
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again."
37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms |
Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | --Yes
Article: 1232 of alt.alien.visitors
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: working on a FAQL
Message-ID: <jms.5141@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 14 Jul 91 17:20:04 GMT
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In article <1991Jul10.053754.20691@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
>In article <jms.4991@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>>
>>Not to the best of my knowledge, but we should start one! A sort of FAQL
>>for this newsgroup.
>>
>That's an idea that I'm toying with myself. Frequently, people will ask:
>
>What are the greys? Where do they come from? What IS a "grey"? etc,ect..
>
>Hmmmmmm...I'll get to work on some parts..maybe you could work on something
>too?
I'd like to do something of the sort, but I really don't know how much to
do. For example, I don't want to end up writing a comprehensive history of
alien/human interaction in the 20th century.
If I think of anything, I'll post it. Let's see, we've already defined
"grey" and "Nord." We probably need a list of crash/retrieval cases
(again, *briefly*), "What is MJ-12/MAJI/MAJIC/Majority/Majestic?", "Who are
the Pleiadians?" (this is *not* my favorite area, and probably wouldn't get
favorable treatment from me), who are Lear, Cooper, English, Grace,
Bennewitz, Lazar, Walters, Meier, etc.
--
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | "Let's become
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again."
37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms |
Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | --Yes
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Message-ID: <jms.5143@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 14 Jul 91 17:29:48 GMT
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What you have written is the basic extent of my knowledge on the subject,
save for a few recent developments. For future reference, this is called
the Cash/Landrum case. It was covered on "Unsolved Mysteries" this year,
and on "That's Incredible". Otherwise it doesn't seem to get a lot of
press, which is unbelievable because it's one of the most shocking accounts
that is actually credible enough to not be rejected outright.
The recent developments of which I spoke concern its coverage on "UFO
Coverup Live!" a few years ago in which the victims were told that it was a
recovered craft being flown by our government, and an incident last year or
the year before in which one of the victims placed a full-page ad in a Gulf
Breeze, Fla. newspaper saying that the aliens are Satanic and a menace to
the human race.
There has been speculation, of course, that it was a nuclear-powered
aircraft developed by our own government. Stanton Friedman has said that
we had such a program at one time. But it was supposed to have been
cancelled long before the Cash/Landrum incident, and I don't think the
government would have been stupid enough to fly something like that around
in the open.
--
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | "Let's become
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again."
37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms |
Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | --Yes
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From: jofre@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (Carlos Jofre)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: That Face on Mars!!!
Message-ID: <1991Jul15.134445.12145@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
Date: 15 Jul 91 13:50:28 GMT
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In article <1991Jul11.223743.1669@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU>, woodc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Chris Wood) writes...
>In article <15481@vpk2.UUCP> craig@vpk2.ATT.COM (Craig Campbell) writes:
>>What about those pictograms scattered about? You know, the bugs etched into
>>the desert or some such thing. Of course there are those who argue that
>>aliens created these as well.
>>
>>Go figure...
>>
>>craig
>
> I meant structures which were built/carved to honor a leader, etc... All
>these man made structures such as the carvings in Mount Rushmore, or statues
>such as the Statue of Liberty are built facing horizontally. I do not agree
>with what many people say about the designs of insects and animals drawn in
>the ground. ... [STUFF DELETED]
Has anyone else thought that maybe the face might at one point been
upright but after thousands or even miilion of years of erotion
finally came to rest where it is now? Kind of like a Muai from
Easter Island falling on its back after a catastrophic storm...
Just a thought...
Carlos Jofre
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From: mcripps@sodium.att.com (16AW20000[ehs]-Mike Cripps(HO0000)T100)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Message-ID: <1991Jul15.165533.14428@sodium.att.com>
Date: 15 Jul 91 16:55:33 GMT
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In article <jms.5143@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> There has been speculation, of course, that it was a nuclear-powered
> aircraft developed by our own government. Stanton Friedman has said that
> we had such a program at one time. But it was supposed to have been
> cancelled long before the Cash/Landrum incident, and I don't think the
> government would have been stupid enough to fly something like that around
> in the open.
Here's some more wild speculation, with little basis in fact...
Last time I read about X-ray lasers (being studied for SDI), the idea was
to blow up a nuke to generate the energy to pump the lasing element. The
problem is that the whole thing is destroyed in the process. Now, I seem
to recall that they had successfully tested an X-ray laser a few years ago
(I believe this was from a N.Y. Times article, and possibly some TV program
that showed the effects, i.e., a big hole being melted in the ground).
Could it be possible that they have devised a device that uses a controlled
nuclear reaction to pump the laser element, and that the melted asphalt
was the result of the beam? I agree it would be stupid to fly something like
this around, but we *are* talking about the govt. here :-)
End of wild speculation...
Mike Cripps
mcripps@sodium.att.com
Article: 1246 of alt.alien.visitors
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From: billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
Message-ID: <4494@anasaz.UUCP>
Date: 15 Jul 91 17:07:30 GMT
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In article <1991Jul12.000115.6189@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
]>In article <4480@anasaz.UUCP> billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
]>>In article <316@jabaru.oz.au> 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans) writes:
]>>>
]>>>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
]>>>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
]>>>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
]>>>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
]>>
]>>What evidence do you know about that supports the crashed UFO claim? Aside
]>>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
]>>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
]>>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
]>>
]>>... stuff deleted ...
]>
]>Mr Moore..it is plenty obvious to me that you haven't got a bloody clue!
]>
]>Go get some books and do your research!!
]>
I have read the book, Don, and, FYI, many, many more. I've got books, video
tapes, reports, etc., I've been to sites and have interviewed witnesses like
Lazar, etal. But you're right about me not having a clue. I couldn't tell
you what's going on but I do know its not little green men from another
planet who fly around the universe in UFOs. I claim there is _NO_ evidence
to support this conclusion.
]>I would most heartily recommend the Randle/Schmitt book, "UFO Crash
]>at Roswell" that just came out in paperback and published by AVON
]>books.
Why? What do you think Randle and Schmitt added to this? We already knew
something happened out there and its a military secret. Randle and Schmitt
added more evidence but we don't need any more evidence about the military
coverup. What we need is more about the alleged UFO crash.
Randle and Schmitt added new second hand hearsay from an unnamed source but
I found it flimsy. Is this what impressed you? Marcel's testimonty isn't
new (I've had the tape for years) and neither is LaPaz's. Is there anything
else? What do you think is the most compelling testimony or evidence in
this case? (Not the military coverup part, the UFO part.)
--Bill--
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From: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Message-ID: <1991Jul15.205827.12021@demon.co.uk>
Date: 15 Jul 91 20:58:27 GMT
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In-Reply-To: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
I know very little about the US nuclear aircraft program, but it
certainly did exist. It was a typical Cold-War Strangelove idea, to
have a long duration nuclear bomber fleet continuously airborne, just
outside Warpac airspace.
There were two aspects to the program:
Up to 17 prototype nuclear aircraft engines were produced during
1957 - 1961. Air was passed through a reactor & heated, forming a
jet engine. 2 are still in existence, at the Idaho Falls National
Engineering Laboratory. They were tested on ground based test
stands (the exhaust was vented through a vertical chimney), but
never flew. Over a billion dollars were spent on the program,
before it was axed by JFK.
A B36 variant, the B36H, flew with an on-board reactor. It was
operated in flight on several occasions. I don't know if this
reactor was one of the jet engine reactors, but no thrust wasa
ever produced. Photos of this aircraft, together with its
attendant shielded servicing vehicles may be found in a commonly
available book. I don't have accurate title, or ISBN, but it's
something like "Aero engines of the world" & most aviation
bookshops have it.
Technical problems made nuclear aircraft unworkable (then), and
eventually the program was overtaken by the ICBM.
Article: 1249 of alt.alien.visitors
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From: ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell And The Govt. Coverup
Message-ID: <1991Jul15.120901.1089@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
Date: 15 Jul 91 11:09:00 GMT
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In article <72286.287DE18B@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>, Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
>
> I would just about bet that there is a lot of technology which we are becoming
> very familiar with that could have been gleaned from research such as the
> crash of 1947.
>
Well, it's certainly looking as if they took the cold fusion recipe down
wrongly...
Love and kisses,
Jan
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From: ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
Message-ID: <1991Jul15.121750.1091@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
Date: 15 Jul 91 11:17:49 GMT
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In article <jms.5137@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> There have allegedly been other crashes since Roswell.
>
> ...
>
> There were (allegedly) a few more in the west in the '40s and (I think)
> '50s, and one in Pennsylvania in the '60s. There are also *extremely*
> dubious stories of very recent crashes in Canada and South Africa.
>
For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
Jan
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From: cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: My enounters, opinions
Message-ID: <1201@ra.MsState.Edu>
Date: 16 Jul 91 17:29:43 GMT
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This is my first time to post here, but I have held back so much stuff
so long I had too.. This will involve questions/comments for anyone and
everyone [gov't also] to comment on.
1. I had my first 'UFO encounter about 4 days ago when coming back from my
Church's mission trip. Riding home from church to home with my father.
This was on July 13, 1991. We were about 500 yds from our driveway
along the highway when all of the sudden [half a mile??] when we looked
up and saw this huge ultra-bright light [middle of the afternoon, clear
sky - almost due west about 30 degrees up]. My dad was really shocked,
he thought it might be landing lights of a plane.. but that bright? with
NO outline of wings or anything. There was a small low-flying Cessna
around there [we have a small landing strip here in Starkville, MS.. 30
miles from Columbus AFB [ATC]. We could not figure it out.. it got brighter
and brighter and brighter like coming closer, not ever moving from its
relative postion, then as we both gazed at it still driving, it slowly
'died out' and baout 45 sec. later it was gone, no plane or nothing. We
still can't figure it out, but as I think about it, I have always thought
over the years I have thought I have sen in-clear-daylight- very bright
lights [not by obvious sunlight reflection] but never thought anything about
it. We are still baffled.. anyone have any thoughts or comments.. Has this
happend to you?
2. About 3 weeks ago abouve our house all-day one day, there was this constant
helicoptering around. After about the 2nd time 'these' copters flew over
my family went out side to see. In front was an unmarked solid drab/black
copter resembling one of Magnum PI [Hughes??] anyway about 5-10 seconds later
4-5 at least totally unmarked looked-like Huey Cobras? flew behind. This went on for hours and hours, low to the ground. I asked a friend about thsi
unmarked stuff [ I have heard of unmarked ones following UFO's or govt'
test UFOs etc..] and he said the only unmarked copters are like a secret
FBI ground that 'doesn't exist]. My mother feared it was like Gov't looking
for drugs, etc.. but i dont know.. There were not dozens of copters just
a few totally black/drab unmarked. No Army bases near hear, we have Meridian
Naval Air Station and I think one in Jackson. :) Is this a typical encounter of others. Thanks for any input.
3. I firmly beleive UFOs/intelligent life exist, the evidence is overwhelming,
I think the most documented phonomena in world history and the GOVT is cov
ering up. My personal belief is that these creatures are demons/evil spirits/
in some physical bodies, as it seems by other posts, others beleive this
also. I am a Christian and have tried to weigh the evidence of what they
MIGHT be, and that is the only logical conclusion I could come up with.
4. What are these 'new' findings of JFK being shot from his car?
5. What is this about a coverup about MLK Jr?
6. Underground bases in the Colorados etc..
7. ANyone on here from Gulf Breeze and see UFO's all the time? I'd like
some info on stuff.
8. Is there an ftp site with archives of old _arge_ postings of stuff, the
ones like with 700 or so lines of stuff, I would be interested.
9. Arer there any UFO boards that I could subscribe to, any info would be
helpful.
Thanks to any who comment etc etc.
--
cee1@ra.msstate.edu
--
Still thinking of a new sign
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
Message-ID: <1991Jul17.054018.7055@bilver.uucp>
Date: 17 Jul 91 05:40:18 GMT
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>]>>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
>]>>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
>]>>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
>]>>
>]>>... stuff deleted ...
>]>
>]>Mr Moore..it is plenty obvious to me that you haven't got a bloody clue!
>]>
>]>Go get some books and do your research!!
>]>
>I have read the book, Don, and, FYI, many, many more. I've got books, video
>tapes, reports, etc., I've been to sites and have interviewed witnesses like
>Lazar, etal. But you're right about me not having a clue. I couldn't tell
>you what's going on but I do know its not little green men from another
>planet who fly around the universe in UFOs. I claim there is _NO_ evidence
>to support this conclusion.
>]>I would most heartily recommend the Randle/Schmitt book, "UFO Crash
>]>at Roswell" that just came out in paperback and published by AVON
>]>books.
>Why? What do you think Randle and Schmitt added to this? We already knew
>something happened out there and its a military secret. Randle and Schmitt
>added more evidence but we don't need any more evidence about the military
>coverup. What we need is more about the alleged UFO crash.
>
>Randle and Schmitt added new second hand hearsay from an unnamed source but
>I found it flimsy. Is this what impressed you? Marcel's testimonty isn't
>new (I've had the tape for years) and neither is LaPaz's. Is there anything
>else? What do you think is the most compelling testimony or evidence in
>this case? (Not the military coverup part, the UFO part.)
>
>--Bill--
Hmmmm..You piqued my interest Bill..please answer me a question..are you
the Bill Moore that I see occasionally on the Fido UFO echo? Or are you
THE Bill Moore that has admitted to being a GOVT dis-info agent?
Or none of the above?
It's hard to tell you Moore's apart :-)
Now, if you be *the* Bill Moore..here's a little tidbit for you :-)
This most likely came of the Fido UFO echo not to long ago..'course
if you be *the* Bill Moore..then you would know something about the following:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 06-18-91 19:55
From: Ken Willoughby
I got a long letter from Paul Bennewitz in which he wanted
me to put this onto bbd. I am copying verbatim what he says:
--1) The Archeleta Base was raided by a Delta Force, and of the
The Aliens within were killed outright. I can not vouch for
some of this although I have absolute proof that it was. It is
said that a General, a U.S. officer; he apparently got into an
argument in that they, the Alien, were making Cocaine, instead
of making humanoids. Supposedly there was 16 Tons of piled
in one room. One of them, apparently, one he was talking to
used a Blaze Gun, which is similar to a minature flame thrower
and burned him severly. He sent his Aide to call for help and
the Delta Force was there in a very short time. When they saw
what happened, knowing the General had one leg near burned off,
attacked in a frenzy and killed at least 120 of them. Some of
the Delta Force were also burned badly, and some were lost due
to shock etc.,. They were apparently making the stuff so that
they could sell it on the street. In the final count, later,
apparently 8 Tons of the stuff was missing. There was a covert
landing strip just North of Archeleta and they were flying
it out of there. The troups blew the whole operation to hell
bringing down all entrances and totally destroyed the so call-
plastic worms, killing those within. All instrumentation was
destroyed. The whole area was closed and all people were bared
from the mountain; it is now administrated by the Drug Admin-
istration (U.S.), so it is finished. The air strip was plowed
and barricaded.
--2) About 80 escaped taking their ships with them; some were
out on patrol and thus they got away. 40 some odd established
thenselves in caves at Bear Mountain, in New Mexico. The rest
went to what is called, THE DOME, and are still at large.
--3) I have contacted the Secretary of Defense, and a Senator;
also General Jaco and the new Administrator at Kirtland. Some
is attached to give the Coordinates which are fairly accurate.
--4) Those that are in Bear Mountain, N.W. of Magdelena are raiding
raiding and attempting to gain entrance. The prime and important
point is that a humanoid who is in charge by the name CARAUCHE is
using a beam over the four hills area where I live and are hitting
people in the nerve endings that control the stomach's Hcl, or
hydrocloric acid causing the acid to come up the esophagus. Thus
causing one to either throw up or become badly burned in the mouth
and esophagus area. They hit at night and hit me last night.
Fortunately, I had some anti acid Mallox so it reduced the pain.
The odds are if they do it in this area, they will start elsewhere.
They are beginning to take victims and they have no processing
area yet, they are trying to sell them to other bases that still
exist.
They have been threatening me constantly trying to take
out the computers and continue all day. It appears that they
have also discovered that with a small beam that they can intrude
on a person's thought WITHOUT AN IMPLANT. They started to attack
me right after the raid which occurred about 2 years ago;
thinking that I was the one that instigated it. That was obviously
not true. They triggered the onslaught by shooting the General.
They also were very angry when I turned my back on them and threw
ALIEN DATA away. My reason? I just did not have a desire to study
IGNORANCE of humanoids, and intend never to do any more of it.
It's over with.
I am sending this to you in hopes that others may be
aware of what they should be on the guard for. Other than that
I am finished with them. ----- Paul Bennewitz
Postscript note: Ken Willoughby. When you study Paul's material,
you are left with a doubt who got to him.
* Origin: The Desert Dolphin WOCin New Mexico 505 523-2811 (1:305/105.0)
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Now, if you _aren't_ *the* Bill Moore..than consider this just an
amusement...if you are..you have a good deal of explaining to do
regarding Paul Bennewitz.
*My* amusement is watching all the govt MOLES and dis-info agents
who think they are going un-noticed in this newsgroup, try and
back-paddle as fast as they can :-)
So far, I've counted 5 of em'...including one in a real prominent place.
Oh,yeah...I forgot to mention the MAJIC word: HARVEST :-) :-) :-)
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Subject: INFO: Recent MUFON Conference recap - Chicago
Keywords: UFO
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The following is a summary of the just-passed MUFON symposium held
at the Hyatt Regency O'Hare Hotel, in Chicago.
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MUFONET-BBS NETWORK MUTUAL UFO NETWORK
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CONFERENCE RECAP
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1991 MUFON INTERNATIONAL UFO SYMPOSIUM
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Held At The Hyatt Regency O'Hare Hotel
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July 5,6,7 1991
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The 1991 MUFON Symposium, hosted by Illinois - MUFON, started out
on Friday with a press conference of local and national reporters
from newspapers and syndicated TV, with Walt Andrus as the
primary speaker, at around 1:00 pm.
The "Get Acquainted" reception started at 6:00, with many in
attendance, and lots of food/snacks spread on two huge tables in
the large Rosemont ballroom of the hotel. The majority of the
guest speakers were there, as were many MUFON members and others
who have an interest in UFOs or an aspect of the phenomena. This
reception lasted until around 9:00 pm. Friday was more or less a
check-in day for those arriving from other locales.
Saturday was the start of the symposium, with the affair opening
up with a welcome from Illinois - MUFON to all from Thomas
Stults, State Director, and the acting "Master of Ceremonies",
Forest Crawford, Assistant State Director.
(I won't include the actual times of the presentations, since
they were covered in the MUFON Journal).
Next were the speakers with their presentations:
DENNIS STACY:
Dennis made a presentation concerning Crop Circles, going into
the history of the phenomena, designs, associate phenomena such
as luminous shapes and colors, animal reactions, high-pitched or
humming sounds, electromagnetic interference effects, sensations
of 'invisible' fields, etc., and the theory of possible
intelligent development and/or communication.
ZECHARIA SITCHIN:
Zecharia's presentation focused on the theory of a connection
between the writings in the bible as a sort of log of visitation
of a civilization from another planet, the presence of a 12th
planet, the connection between the number 12 and the ancient
Greeks, bible, and findings from ancient cities such as Mesopot-
amia, Assyria and Babylon, to name a few.
MICHAEL D. SWORDS:
Michael's presentation concentrated on the hypothesis of
extraterrestrial presence in the makeup of the UFO enigma,
covering items such composition of meteorites, atmospheric makeup
of other planets along the possibility of sustaining some type of
'life', biochemical occurrences, genetically/chromosomal
possibilities, biophysical structures and E.T., and "what if"
other forms of life are in existence.
LINDA MOULTON HOWE:
Linda's presentation included a slide presentation of animal
mutilations along with discussion of alien intervention of life
forms on our planet, motives behind the abduction and mutilation
of animals and humans, and touched on the roles of abductees/
contactees and the communication they provide concerning the
presence and motives of these intruders.
JOHN A. ALTSHULER:
John's presentation also pertained to animal mutilations and the
resultant tissue changes found over the last 24 years, in animals
such as cattle, deer and rabbits. He discusses the variants of
tissue alterations associated with predation, cultist killings,
accidental death, and that area of "other" which comprises much
of what Linda and John are deeply involved in, alien intervention
of life on this planet.
JEAN-PIERRE PETIT:
This presentation focused on the recent UFO wave now occurring in
Belgium, with thousands of witnesses, and one wave covering two
days, November 29-30, 1989, which had over 900 cases of UFO
sightings with the craft within 1000 feet of the witnesses in
each instance. Jean discussed radar observation of objects, F-
16's being out maneuvered by craft, although the aircraft had
'locked-on' to the target, a discussion of the propulsion
techniques of UFOs, and the effect of air movement from a UFO as
opposed to conventional craft.
JOHN S. CARPENTER:
John's presentation focused on the clinical aspect of the
abductee phenomena, what observations are required from the
professional areas concerning diagnosing an abduction patient,
what can be ruled out in efforts of ascertaining the actual
causes of a patients trauma, the credibility factor of a patient,
hoaxes, and the application of hypnosis as a tool for
patient/doctor interaction.
STANTON T. FRIEDMAN:
Stanton's discussion concentrated on new information obtained
from 1989 onward concerning crashed craft, and touched on past
history of information from various sources and the media
representation of UFO information. Also discussed was some of
the 'behind-the-scenes' in the making of the documentaries "UFO
Cover UP? Live", "UFOs Are Real" and the "Unsolved Mysteries"
segments. A brief discussion of William Moore and his past and
present role in the scenario of investigations was included.
COLIN ANDREWS:
Colin did not present a published paper for the symposium, yet
offered a thrilling highlight to the proceedings when he showed a
video, shot from a hillside by a couple in England, of a
obviously metallic disk, approximately 6-10 inches in diameter,
weaving in, out, over and thru a crop field in daylight,
reflecting the sunlight as it maneuvered around the field,
crossed over to another field, was witnessed also by a farmer on
a tractor in the field, and lasted (on videotape) for 4-5
minutes. To say the least, this was amazing! Colin also
presented an audiotape of sounds originating as a crop circle was
being formed, and discerning the presence of two distinct sounds,
or notes, or pitches.
MICHAEL CHOROST:
Michael's paper focused on the theory of the investigation of
Crop Circles, ie., "Cereology", becoming a science and scientific
pursuit onto itself, based on the variety and complexity of the
information presently on hand concerning the formation of
circles. He concentrated on the formation of a 'structured'
foundation of scientists and researchers allowing interaction of
their knowledge and findings for all involved in the field.
Discussed were the past and present state of the investigations
and facts uncovered by many people and the complexity of the
different shapes the circles are now taking.
C.B. SCOTT JONES:
This discussion focused on the government involvement in UFO
information, suppression and dis-information, collaboration of
other governments with the U.S. government in cover-ups and
sharing of UFO-related informations and cases, and the analysis
and problems in handling a actual piece of metal from a craft,
and the findings found from the analysis, and the formation of an
international exchange policy for sharing research.
DAVID M. JACOBS:
Dr. Jacobs dissertation dealt with the clinical and psychological
aspects of the abductee phenomenon, the separating of reality
from imagination in the witnesses/patients, the complexity of
hypnosis in ascertaining valid retrieval of information,
abductee's accounts of their experiences, descriptions of aliens,
conversations held with their captors, channeled communication,
interpretation of alien thoughts, and the relationship of an
abductee's experiences with objective reality and their
perception of same.
GENE M. PHILLIPS:
This discussion concentrated on the "Plain of Nazca", located
between the towns of Palpa and Nazca, in the province of Ica,
approximately 300 miles south of Lima, Peru. The presentation
was basically a rebuttal to the Nova TV Program titled "The Case
of the Ancient Astronauts", originally shown by Public
Broadcasting Stations in 1978, and aired repeatedly thereafter.
Mr. Phillips discussed the history of the findings at the Plain,
and theorized at the reason for their existence.
BRUCE S. MACCABEE:
Dr. Maccabee presented the factual, overall picture of the
experiences of those around Gulf Breeze, Florida, with it's over
260 UFO sightings since November 1987, which included perhaps
three times as many witnesses. Ed Walters and his family had been
involved in only a small fraction of those sightings, but because
of the pictures taken by Ed, and the resultant publicity focused
on him by the various media, the world associated Ed's
experiences with all the happenings at Gulf breeze, when actually
he was just "one of the many witnesses" involved. Dr. Maccabee
rectified this 'commercial image' of the Gulf Breeze experience
by taking Ed Walters out of the picture and showed what has and
is actually happening in the area. Yes, Gulf breeze is real
without "ED!"
The symposium ended with a "Question and Answer" Panel composed
of all speakers with Forest Crawford as Moderator, and an
invitation for all to the 1992 MUFON International UFO Symposium
to be held in Albuquerque, New Mexico, dates to be determined.
John Komar
State Director/Tennessee - MUFON
Administrator - MUFONET-BBS network
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: FILE:WPAT.TXT - UFO's at Wright Patterson?
Keywords: UFO NSA CIA HARVEST DULCE GREYS SETI COOPER ANTICHRIST REPTOIDS 666
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. The
content of this information does NOT necessarily reflect the personal
views of the poster,nor should the views,opinions,statements or claims
represented in the following be accepted by anyone reading these texts
at *face* value. If this interests you, please endeavor to research it
yourself and investigate it to *your* satisfaction, and as such I will
leave it in your hands to either prove it or de-bunk it :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
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Wright Patterson AFB : What's Going On There?
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- Captain Edward Ruppelt while head of the U.S. Air Force's Air
Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC) "Project Bluebook", was
stationed at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
- Some believe Wright-Patterson to be a 24 hour Top Secret UFO
monitoring and research station.
- After the July 2, 1947 crash of a UFO at Roswell, New Mexico, the
wreckage of the craft was loaded onto a B-29 and shipped directly
to Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio.
- Wright Field (as it was formerly known) was the headquarters for
the Air Materiel Command (AMC). General Nathan Twining was the
Commanding General of the AMC back in 1947. He is also implicated
as being one of the original "MJ-12" members.
- Gun camera film taken from F-86A Sabre jets in 1953-54 was later
taken to Wright-Patterson AFB for evaluation.
- Colonel John Burnett was the Air Attache to the Foreign Technology
Division at Wright-Pat in 1965 and met with a Captain Bruce Cathie,
a New Zealand airline pilot who related to Burnett that he had
discovered evidence for a "worldwide grid system used by UFOs".
Burnett revealed to Cathie that intensive UFO research was going
on there. In Cathie's second book he says the following..."The
scientific laboratory there, set up for the purpose, was described
as a complex of buildings covering a large area and staffed by
many of the world's top scientists. Experimental work was carried
out twenty-four hours a day, 365 days a year.
- The crash of a 100ft in diameter saucer with 16 dead aliens aboard
near Aztec, New Mexico in 1948, had its remains sent to Wright-Pat
shortly thereafter.
- In a book by Jean-Charles Fumoux in 1981 entitled "Preuves
Scientifiques OVNI", the author relates how Leon B. Visse, an
alleged expert on histons (elements connected with cellular
genetic material) was invited in 1959 to a military compound at
Wright-Patterson AFB, where he was asked to perform an experiment
on the histonic weight of particular cells. Visse was later taken
into a special room where he viewed two humanoid corpses.
- Leonard Stringfield contacted a former Navy test pilot known as
"P.J.", who related the story of him and several other Navy pilots
coming across a saucer-shaped aircraft which was being guarded at
Wright-Patterson AFB back in April/1962. He was puzzled by the
seeming lack of security since the object was not located in the
test facility of the AFB.
- Tommy Blann, a researcher, interviewed a Colonel "X" who said,
"In the earlier years they had taken some bodies to this base,
but later it depended on where they were found. They had a hell
of a time setting up procedures for this operation, as well as
getting craft out of the area without it being observed. Usually
this was done at nighttime." Colonel"X" also told Blann that he
believed that in more recent years the bodies were flown outside
the U.S. to a secret naval installation on an island in the Pacific.
- Senator Barry Goldwater was denied access into a building at Wright
Patterson AFB because it was classified above Top Secret. Goldwater
did say that he understood that a plan was underway to release all
or part of this material sometime in the future...although he didn't
know what it was, he did say that he was aware of the rumours.
* Note: The above was taken from Timothy Good's 1988 UFO Book
entitled "Above Top Secret".
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From: cn0n@speech.cs.cmu.edu (Cynthia K Neelan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: My enounters, opinions
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In article <1201@ra.MsState.Edu> cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister) writes:
> 3. I firmly beleive UFOs/intelligent life exist, the evidence is
overwhelming,
> I think the most documented phonomena in world history and the GOVT is cov
> ering up. My personal belief is that these creatures are demons/evil
spirits/
> in some physical bodies, as it seems by other posts, others beleive this
> also. I am a Christian and have tried to weigh the evidence of what they
> MIGHT be, and that is the only logical conclusion I could come up with.
I don't think that logic had much to do with it.
cin
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue)
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Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
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ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <jms.5137@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>> There have allegedly been other crashes since Roswell.
>> There were (allegedly) a few more in the west in the '40s and (I think)
>> '50s, and one in Pennsylvania in the '60s. There are also *extremely*
>> dubious stories of very recent crashes in Canada and South Africa.
>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
Well, see their ships are ozone powered... :-)
What's even stranger is that they continually pick up
and mutilate cattle... What sort of info do they gain from their
7,893rd cow?
I think I'll rent _Communion_ and _Close Encounters_ tonight
and watch them back-to-back (but which one FIRST)? That should
scare my sister and brother... :-)
BBC
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Subject: Re: FILE: WPAT.TXT - UFO's at Wright Patterson?
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Why do you suppose the military never responds to these posts? I have
no doubt that someone in the Air Force is reading these things. I am
also aware that whoever is reading them probably does not have the
authority to make a statement regarding AF policy, but were this any
other media I guarantee you'd hear from a spokesperson.
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| | koosh forever! |
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: FILE: ALIEN-TYPES.TXT
Keywords: UFO GREYS REPTOIDS HUMANOIDS POD PEOPLE COUNTERFEITS TARES
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. The
content of this information does NOT necessarily reflect the personal
views of the poster,nor should the views,opinions,statements or claims
represented in the following be accepted by anyone reading these texts
at *face* value. If this interests you, please endeavor to research it
yourself and investigate it to *your* satisfaction, and as such I will
leave it in your hands to either prove it or de-bunk it :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
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MUFONET-BBS network - Mutual UFO Network
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ALIEN DESCRIPTIONS - VARIETIES
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[Note: This is a message from a participant of the CONTACT Echo, discussing
the types of aliens and their descriptions.]
Date: 01-01-91 14:04
From: Sandy Barbre
Subj: DESCRIPTIONS: ALIEN
Below please find a copy of a variety of alien beings descriptions put on the
UFO echo by David House.... I thought you might find some of this interesting
and I know that a few of you don't get the UFO echo or just don't read it.
Okay...here goes...
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by David House
VARIETIES OF ALIEN BEINGS KNOWN TO "INTERACT" WITH HUMANS
AND SUPPOSEDLY INVOLVED IN INFLUENCING HUMAN AFFAIRS.
DISCLAIMER: I make no claims for the accuracy of this list and express no
personal opinion on the matter. It was given to me as "accurate information"
and I just wanted to pass it along to anyone who might find it interesting or
otherwise useful. I'd appreciate any feedback you'd care to share with me if
you wish to proceed in a civilized manner.
ALIEN TYPE 1: The Greys. Of this type there are several sub-types. All tend
to appear greyish in color and for this reason are referred to as "greys."
GREY TYPE A: This is the type most commonly referred to as the greys. Also
known as Zeta Reticuli from the Zeta Reticulan star system (the Bernard star)
neighboring the Orion area. They function in a mode that is apparently
military in nature with a rigidly defined social structure that holds science
and "conquering worlds" to be the prime movers. They are normally about 4.5
ft tall with large heads and black "wrap around" eyes. They have limited
facial features, slit mouth and no nose to speak of. They have evolved beyond
the need for reproductive systems or digestive systems and reproduce by
cloning. Their genetics are partly based on insectoidal genetics.
Their science deals largely with the study of other life forms and
genetic engineering. They have supposedly had a part to play in the
alteration of human genetics over thousands of years. It seems that they
may be trying to cross breed with humans in order to create a "mixture race"
that would be better than either. (I've read that they are a dying
species, that have cloned so much that now, with each successive cloning,
the species grows weaker. They are trying to infuse new life into their
species by creating the mixed breed.)
There seem to be two main social classes. One is the more hawkish and is
more abrupt, crude and blunt. The more dove-like ones are more refined and
capable of a more business-like behavior towards humans, and prefer to use
more "diplomatic" behavior to gain control over human's. This type of Grey is
what I believe is being referred to as the "Orange" class of Greys.
They seem to be emotionless (by human standards) and therefore are seen as
cruel in their treatment of human beings. They are able to take human lives
without any regard for that individual. They apparently can use certain
substances of the human body for their sustenance and therefore appear to be
carnivorous in regards to humans. (I also read that they extract fluid from
some part of the human brain during intense emotional response [fear] and are
able to use it like a recreational drug.)
It is my understanding that these greys are actually servants to a master
race of reptilian-type aliens and are trying to prepare the earth for their
arrival by gaining control over the earth through many means. They tend to
enjoy the feeling of freedom they have on earth, away from their masters and
would desire the help of humans in confrontations with the reptilians...which
appears to be a consideration for the near future (mid 90's.)
These greys have their best known bases in New Mexico and Nevada but are
also known to have bases in many countries of the world.
GREY TYPE B: Tall Greys from Orion. Usually about 7 to 8 ft. tall (reports
often exaggerate their height as being 9 to 12 ft.) with facial feature
somewhat similar to grey type A with the exception of the large nose found on
type B greys. These greys also have technologies that allow them to perform
certain actions that appear "miraculous." These greys are less viscous
towards humans than type A greys (but are still considered "hostile".) They
tend to influence more through political controls and negotiated agreements
with those in power. Their main bases seem to be in the Aleutian Islands.
These are the type seen not long ago in Eastern Russia.
GREY TYPE C: These are the shortest of the greys and tend to be about 3.5
ft. tall. Their facial features are very similar to the Zeta Reticuli greys
and are of the same "root race.". They are just as hostile to humans as the
Zetas. They are from a star system near the shoulder of Orion called
Bellatrax.
ALIEN TYPE 2: THE REPTILIANS: A genetics akin to reptiles, these are highly
advanced entities but viewed as being of a negative, hostile or dangerous
disposition since they regard humans as a totally inferior race. They would
perceive us much the way we would perceive a herd of cattle. They are
carnivorous in regard to humans. There is supposedly a "driven" planetoid or
asteroid inhabited by 30 million of these lizard-folk that is to enter our
solar system in the mid 90's if the present schedule is kept.
They consider earth to be their own ancient outpost and would expect to
have complete control of the entire planet upon their return. Their own
planet is becoming unable to adequately support life and they need somewhere
else to live. These are the aliens who are served by the type A greys.
ALIEN TYPE 3: HUMAN TYPE ALIENS
HUMAN TYPE A: These are of a genetic base similar to humans of earth. They
appear of "normal" height (5-6ft?) and tend to be fair-skinned with blonde
hair. These entities have been abducted by the greys or are the offspring of
abductees and have been trained by the greys as servants. These entities are
totally subservient to the greys.
HUMAN TYPE B: These are aliens of similar genetics to earth humans and also,
it seems, of the humans that serve the greys. These are from the Pleiades and
are also of the blonde, fair-skinned appearance. This type is of a genuine
highly evolved, spiritual, benevolent variety and have a kinship toward humans
and are the only aliens to be truly trusted by earth humans at this time. They
had at one time offered to be of assistance to earth leaders in dealing with
the alien situation here but were rebuffed and so have taken a kind of "hands
off" approach for the time being. These aliens are supposedly the forefather
race of humankind. These are apparently not on earth much at this time due to
serious problems in the area of their home.
HUMAN TYPE C: Very little is known about these. They are supposedly another
of the highly evolved, spiritual type of great benevolence to earth humans. I
understand that their appearance is similar to other human-type aliens. They
are from Sirius and don't appear to be much involved with earth happenings at
this time other than being concerned about the Grey scenario. They could
desire to be of help to humans.
There are other known human type aliens of this "more highly spiritually
evolved" nature that are apparently aware of the situation on earth and
considering some possible course of action. These are from Arcturus and Vega.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don
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Subject: Re: A way out of here.
Message-ID: <91198.220255ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
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In article <91197.093313JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU says:
>They say they have a planet called PC22 that is a lot like our
>Earth was l50 years ago. They say by l994 they will bring their
>space ships and anyone can go that so desires. I'll leave you
'Don't go....To Serve Man....it's a cookbook!!'
(thanks Harlan)
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Drive System & Navigation
Message-ID: <jms.5205@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 17 Jul 91 03:47:01 GMT
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In article <1991Jul15.172342.485@kcbbs.gen.nz> sheepsqueezer@kcbbs.gen.nz (Colin Jones) writes:
>I seem to remember that when Don Allen posted a list of MUFONet files
>there were some interesting-looking ones about gravity/antigravity (&
>I think one about vacuum energy) in the general science section. Perhaps
>it would be possible for someone to post them on the net? (Don are you
>up to it? :-) Then all of us who are interested in drives could discuss
>them. I'd do it myself, but unfortunately I can't get there from here
I haven't been around long enough to have seen the filelist, but chances
are I've seen some of these files. I have quite a collection of files on
such subjects, and I was thinking about posting a few of them myself, and
might yet if I can remember where I put them :-) Of course, if Don wants
to beat me to it...
How about it, guys? Do you want some speculative files on UFO propulsion?
Off the top of my head, I have one on an electromagnetic drive based on
Tesla's ideas, one on graviton/tachyon drives that appears to have been
channeled, and one that goes through several stages from down-to-earth to
the extremely bizarre. I've also got a file describing how to build a
spacetime warping coil (I have no idea if it's ever been done
successfully.)
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: SOURCE INFO: Tesla publications - list 1
Keywords: Lindsay Publications Inc.
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"And we stand and watch the gods and idols fall, as the blameless ones go
blindfold to the wall" Robin Trower....
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From: marz@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.zam)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: George Knapp and KLAS in Las Vegas...
Keywords: KLAS, George Knapp, video tape, 9-part series
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Earlier this week I requested a copy of the nine part series that
George Knapp did on the UFO research in the area known as S-4 on
the local military base. Not one person mailed or posted in response.
I turned to the net because KLAS was unwilling to produce any more
video tape copies "due to overwhelming demand". Didn't anybody
on this news group get a copy? Did anybody see this series? Did it
ever really happen?!?
I would like to restart the discussion on this series. I was really
starting to enjoy it, when it abruptly ended. Did all of you who saw
this get erased like the fellow who worked at S-4? I wonder...
Thanks in advance,
Martin Zam
(201)564-2554
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From: billy@anasaz (Bill Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
Message-ID: <1991Jul12.164341.441@anasaz>
Date: 12 Jul 91 16:43:41 GMT
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In article <999@systech.bjorn.COM> johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>In article <4480@anasaz.UUCP> billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
>>>
>>>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>>>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
>>>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
>>>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
>>
>>What evidence do you know about that supports the crashed UFO claim? Aside
>>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
>>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
>>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
>>
>
>Good point Bill. You should know just as much as anyone I suppose.
>
>So far, I'm about half way through Randle and Schmitt's Roswell book,
>and I would say this:
>
> Based on what is presented in the book, take witness A's testimony +
> witness B's testimony + witness C's testimony + ......
> (you get the picture), I would conclude that an alien craft had crashed.
>
>Can peoples' testimony that you read in a book be taken as evidence?
>
>I tried to state that I'm no expert in UFO matters. Of course I don't
>have any direct evidence! I would not pretend that I'm an expert, and
>I surely wouldn't spout off that "I know for sure".
>
>I guess what you're trying to do is question the manner in which I
>reach my own personal conclusions. I would say that Vallee's Confrontations
That's what this is all about isn't it? We lay this stuff out on the net
to see if it can withstand the level of examination its going to get.
>book and the mentioned Roswell book are honest attempts to present evidence
>that UFO's are for real. Should I discount the evidence presented in
>the books just because I don't have any direct, physical proof?
>
>And about those "flimsy hearsay statements": Are you very politely stating
>that each of the witnesses making statements in these books are liars?
>Are you attempting to very subtly de-bunk these books, and the reputable
>authors who wrote them?
>
No, I don't think these witnesses are liars. I've been into this for a long,
long time and have come across all kinds of claims from credible people who
I believe are telling the truth. As Vallee concludes in "Confrontations",
these people have experienced something that cannot be explained. I don't
accept the alien visitors theory but my mind is open. I'm anxious to look
at any evidence anyone puts forward but will do so with a critial eye.
In Roswell, we have a lot of investigation and proof that whatever happened
is a military secret but none of that has moved the UFO claim forward even
one iota. If you look at the "timeline" and "list of witnesses" in the
Randall and Schmidt book and cross out everything that goes to show that
the military is keeping a secret as opposed to a UFO crash, you're left
with the following:
1. Fourteen credible witnesses, four with good technical backgrounds, who
could not identify the debris.
2. Hearsay statements that Barnett told three people he had come across a
crashed UFO.
3. Second hand hearsay about an unidentified source who said she too had
seen the same thing. This (along with other second hand hearsay) is
what I meant by "flimsy." Since it followed an NBC program about the
Roswell crash, since its second hand, since its hearsay, since the
source is not identified, this stuff is worthless.
4. A medical clerk at Wright-Patterson who claims to have seen an alien
corpse.
I think this all adds up to an interesting case that could stand more
investigation but don't agree it constitutes proof a UFO crashed at Roswell.
In fact, if the UFO part of this case had been presented without the drama
of a military cover-up, it wouldn't get a second thought.
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From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Mars Face.
Message-ID: <14632@goofy.Apple.COM>
Date: 12 Jul 91 22:47:46 GMT
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Jeff Later asks
>I remember "someone" posting information regarding the
>availability of large wall mount "posters" of the Mars Face
>for sale????
The poster has about 6 different images with one showing the geometric
relationships between the structures. We had speakers on this at
our Family of Light Network meeting the other evening. They suggested
that there are encoded messages in the geometric relationships that
could lead to incredible break throughs. They are hoping next years
Mars mission will bring back much clearer pictures for further
study.
They are looking for people to join their group to support the project
if anyone is interested let me know.
They are not directly associated with the address below.
One other thing I recently concluded. The Pleiadians mention
an early man advanced society buried under Anartica.
I think the Mars Face/pyramids and this society are
connected. See my Pleiadian quote on the thread How life begin or
something like that.
This poster is a companion piece to the audio cassette program THE
MONUMENTS OF MARS,. Copyright 1989 by Enhanced Audio Systems and
Richard C Hoagland. For each additional cassette, please send $10.95.
For each additional poster, send $3.00. For more information about the
Mars Investigation, plus a book catalog, send $2.00. Add 7%, sales tax
for California orders. Add $2.00 postage & handling or each order.
ENHANCED AUDI0 SYSTEMS 1900 Powell Street, Suite 1135, Emeryville, CA
94608 pyramid
Don Showen
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Home 408-865-1768
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From: mru@unislc.uucp (Mara Ulis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Keywords: ufo encounter
Message-ID: <1991Jul12.222834.29211@unislc.uucp>
Date: 12 Jul 91 22:28:34 GMT
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In article <625@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600hubb@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Richard Hubbell) writes:
>Did anyone see a show that had a piece on a ufo encounter in Texas?
>I saw part of it tonite (7-10-91) I missed a portion of it when
>signal went out from channel 6. A woman, her mother, and a child
>were driving when they saw some kind of craft. They stopped and the
>woman got out of the car to look at the ufo. The encounter lasted about
>ten minutes. The ufo was hovering the whole time. The ufo left and
>the woman got into the car as they were leaving a squadron of
>helicopters approached (the older woman counted 23 helicopters) she
>described them as the type with to rotors. Approx. 6 hours later they
>all became ill. The mother had the worst symptoms, followed by the
>child and then the older woman. According to the physician treating her
>she suffered from radiation exposure. Her skin was burned and she
>eventually lost her hair. A ufo researcher went to the site where
>this occurred and verified a dark patch of the asphalt that had been
>scarred by intense heat. I think his name was Schlouser(sp.) he also
>was told later that some trucks had gone to the site and removed all
>traces of the burnt asphalt and replaced it with new.
> At first the Air Force acknowledged that something did
>occur but then they went back on there original claim and denied that
>anything happened. I'd like to hear more about this incident if
>anyone can add more info. It happened 10 years ago in late 1980
>in Texas(Dayton?). All three are still alive but the woman has been
>diagnosed with cancer and the older woman and child still also
>suffer from strange illnesses.
>
>RH
>
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>_______________________________________________________________________
You are referring to the Andreasson Affair. The MUFON investigator
was John Schussler(sp). There are some books out about this case.
Also, you might contact MUFON for more information. Their address is
Walt Andrus, Director 103 Oldtowne Road Seguin, Texas 78155.
Hope this helps.
Mara Ulis
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Ed Walters
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> From: mcn@apollo.hp.com (Michael McNulty)
> Date: 9 Jul 91 19:13:37 GMT
> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
> Message-ID: <1991Jul9.191337.1024@apollo.hp.com>
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>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading this newsgroup for a little while, but this is
> my first posting to it. I have a feeling that I may be bringing
> up an already-discussed issue, but I'm still interested in it. I
> hope it doesn't bore anyone if it is repetitive.
>
> What's the story with Ed Walters? He's the guy who has taken about
> 40 really great pictures of what he claims are space crafts in Gulf
> Breeze, Florida. He, along with is wife Frances, wrote a book and
> did the lecture and TV talk show circuits. By the end of his book,
> he was hinting that he has vague recollections of perhaps, maybe,
> sort of having been abducted or in contact with aliens as a child
> and that he was in contact with Budd Hopkins and had undergone
> hypnosis. He said that he wasn't ready to publicly discuss the
> results of his hypnosis sessions yet, though. I noticed in a
> friend's either CUFO or MUFON magazine (whichever one of them was
> sort of originally backing Ed for awhile), that he claimed to have
> later discovered a crop circle in his neighborhood. The last thing
> I heard of him, he was defending himself against charges that models
> of the crafts were found in his house after he moved.
Ed does claim that he was abducted as part of the difficulty he experienced
with the aliens. His case was studied by the late Dr. Dan Overlade, including
video tapes made during his regression sessions with Dr. Overlade. This whole
mess is embroiled in controversy. The reasons for this are numerous. First,
MUFON, the so-called "scientific UFO investigative organization," botched
several things procedurally in their investigation. It has also been alleged
that the principle investigators took their own preconceived ideas about what
UFOs are and forced it into the outcome of this case. In all of the separate
incidents where MUFON was involved heavily, not one of their investigators
managed to photograph the object, even though they were in close proximity to
the sightings, and around Ed. The business with the model that was found is
also extremely suspect, although there has been no decent reporting done of
this find to my knowledge. There are charges flying back and forth that
someone planted the model to make Ed look like a hoaxer, and of course, Ed
denies this charge completely.
> My criticism (an odd one, I'll admit) is that his pictures are almost
> TOO good. It's just hard for me to believe that he got pictures this
> good and that up close. I have a feeling that if they were legit,
> someone (AP, New York Times) would be paying a little more attention
> to him.
What we have here are photographs that *are* too good to be true. But, more
than that, we have a well-known UFO organization, an optical physicist, a
leading abduction researcher, and a host of other people advancing that this
case represents contact from an extraterrestrial civilization, all without one
shred of proof, other than photographs, which can't tell us anything. In my
opinion, it is not the photographs that are at issue here, it is the
circumstances surrounding the way that they were arrived at, the person making
the report, and the organization that was entrusted to do their job after
several years of practice in collecting and analyzing data scientifically.
Our organization approached Dr. Robert Nathan of JPL about these photographs,
and he stated that he was almost certain that they were representative of
trickery.
> What do most people think of him? Is he respected or is he considered
> a pretty good hoaxer who just hasn't been caught yet? Or has he been
> caught and I missed it? My feeling is that he started this off as a
> joke and it ballooned out of his control until he couldn't contain it
> anymore and he had to go along with it or he'd look foolish.
Zan Overall, a noted UFO researcher in California, has done an exhaustive
study on Ed's background. A couple of years prior to the Gulf Breeze fiasco,
Ed used to entertain the neighborhood kids at his home. He has a son and a
daughter, and they used to conduct seances "for fun," which during the
seances, Ed would take photographs (you got it, with a Polaroid) of the kids
sitting in a circle chanting the 23rd Psalms backwards. Allegedly, a "demon"
would show up in the picture around the kid that was selected by this demon
and it would follow this person around for the duration of the night. He
seriously frightened a girl one evening, who has later testified to this fact.
Additionally, Ed made a statement to one of the guys in the crowd that he was
going to do the "ultimate hoax" someday. Of course, I just bet Ed didn't
figure on this mess coming out of the past to haunt him, but it has, and the
alleged "ghost" photo is making the rounds through the UFO community. It
sounds like the intent to hoax was present.
Bottom line...the UFO research community has been damaged by this whole mess.
Why? Because as the world watches, MUFON has begun a smear campaign against
anyone who has taken a dissenting viewpoint of this case. The Interntional
Director told me that he was "tired of the trash that people were putting out
about Gulf Breeze." He has removed from administrative or staff duties,
several noted researchers because they were not sold on Gulf Breeze. Finally,
MUFON and Dr. Bruce Maccabee accepted money from Ed Walters for their part in
this case. These funds were paid out of the book proceeds. In a field where
credibility is number one concern, it seems that there has been a very poor
showing of this for the world to see.
Whatever Gulf Breeze represents, it is certain that it has nothing to do with
UFOs.
Hope this helps.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell And The Govt. Coverup
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> From: 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans)
> Date: 10 Jul 91 02:36:03 GMT
> Organization: People-Net [tanus], Melbourne, Australia
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>
> As a follow on, I can only sit and wonder what information has been
> gained
> from the research the US government would have conducted on the aliens
> and
> their crashed ship. What additional information could the US government
> be
> withholding about further incidents of this type since 1947?
Greetings down under!
I would just about bet that there is a lot of technology which we are becoming
very familiar with that could have been gleaned from research such as the
crash of 1947.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Klas In Las Vegas...
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> From: marz@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.zam)
> Date: 10 Jul 91 13:26:20 GMT
> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
> Message-ID: <1991Jul10.132620.225@cbfsb.att.com>
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>
> Has anyone got a video tape copy of the 9 part series that
> George Knapp did for KLAS in Las Vegas, Nevada? After reading
> discussions on this news group, I called them for a copy. They
> said that they had to refuse, due to the overwhelming demand
> for copies. This 9 part series severely overloaded their ability
> to dub copies.
Contact me at mcorbin@scicom.alphacdc.com and I will see what I can do for
you.
Mike
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: The Pleiadians on Crop Circles
Message-ID: <1991Jul13.055947.16859@bilver.uucp>
Date: 13 Jul 91 05:59:47 GMT
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>>> HARMONICS OF FREQUENCY MODULATION AND THE HUMAN
>>> DNA
>>> November 15 , 1990 Terman Auditorium, Stanford University
>>> Palo Alto, California
>>>
>>> Audience Question: I am curious about the phenomenon of the
>>> circles in the fields in England?
>>>
>>> The Pleiadians:
>>> We will speak briefly about that. How many of you have heard us
>>> talk about the, language of light geometry? Intelligence, of
>>
>>etc., etc.,
>>
>>And I thought my post about Heaven's BBS was amusing...
>>
>>I have a question for the Pleiadians-- if they're responsible for crop
>>circles, then can they create one, on demand, in a particular shape for us at
>>a specific place and time? I'd like to see a perfectly hexagonal one, myself.
>>
>>Until they pass such a simple test, then I'll assume someone's yaking our
>>chains about these circle thingies.
>
>Hey, if they're so all-powerful, I want them to make one in the shape of a
>Mandelbrot set.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL
Keep on scoffing you skeptics..but use gentle words..you will have to eat them
one day. :-)
Don
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Field Circles
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Date: 13 Jul 91 04:03:24 GMT
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In article <1991Jul9.014812.7979@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
>In article <1991Jul8.055257.896@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>In article <3955@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> ijameson@adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au.oz.au (Iain Jameson) writes:
>>>
>>>According to a news item I just heard, "Field Circles" have been
>>>produced in the laboratory.
>>>It was done in Japan using plasma fireballs (ionized air).
>>>
>>>Of course this will have to be confirmed and duplicated.
>>>But we all know enough about science to realise this.
>>
>>Gee, how many laboratories contain fields?
My feed has been in yoyo mode for a few days and I missed the original two
articles. But could someone post more details on this news report? Where
did it appear? The closest thing I've heard is that someone, I can't
remember where, has succeeded in producing plasma vortices and, guess what,
they naturally spin off little satellite vortices. But this was all under
very controlled conditions. They weren't turned loose on a field, and in
fact I don't have any idea how they *could* be. Not to mention the fact
that they weren't anywhere near the size of the circles!
I've also heard, on ParaNet, that someone has discovered that there is a
certain energy level at which grass can be softened and bent, but not
killed, with microwaves. I think the experiment was done in an ordinary
microwave oven, and it wasn't the power that was the determining factor but
the time.
Now, this is all very interesting, but how do you get a really *big* plasma
vortex in the open air? And what causes it to make anything other than
circles?
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
Message-ID: <1991Jul11.235622.6087@bilver.uucp>
Date: 11 Jul 91 23:56:22 GMT
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In article <316@jabaru.oz.au> 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans) writes:
>
>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
>>
>>The frustrating part for me is that all of the facts have been covered up.
>>Just what is the truth? What the f*** is going on?
>>
>>If a crash occured at Roswell, and aliens were recovered, then to me,
>>this would be the most significant event that has occurred in all of
>>human history. Does anyone else agree with this viewpoint??
>
>I would also have to agree that based on fact a craft did crash at Roswell
>back in 1947. There has been a lot of written information (third party)
>detailing investigations regarding this incident. A new book is about to be
>released on the Roswell incident which discloses some fantastic facts about
>the incident. The authors have spent a considerable amount of time
>researching the incident and in light of the new evidence and information
>contained in the book (providing it is correct) I am convinced that an alien
>craft DID crash at Roswell. Your viewpoint regarding an important event in
There is a book out now called "UFO Crash At Roswell" and I would recommend
it _most highly_. The authors are Kevin Randle, Capt, USAF-Ret and Don
Schmitt. Published by AVON and available in paperback. This book is a MUST
READ for anyone interested in finding out all the details. The book names
PLENTY of names.
This book,in my opinion, is the ~smoking gun~ that exposes the Govt COVERUP.
Don
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
Message-ID: <1991Jul12.000115.6189@bilver.uucp>
Date: 12 Jul 91 00:01:15 GMT
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In article <4480@anasaz.UUCP> billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
>In article <316@jabaru.oz.au> 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans) writes:
>>
>>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
>>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
>>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
>
>What evidence do you know about that supports the crashed UFO claim? Aside
>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
>
>... stuff deleted ...
Mr Moore..it is plenty obvious to me that you haven't got a bloody clue!
Go get some books and do your research!!
I would most heartily recommend the Randle/Schmitt book, "UFO Crash
at Roswell" that just came out in paperback and published by AVON
books.
Not to mention that Stanton Friedman has been also working on this
for years...
Don
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From: sheepsqueezer@kcbbs.gen.nz (Colin Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Drive System & Navigation
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I seem to remember that when Don Allen posted a list of MUFONet files
there were some interesting-looking ones about gravity/antigravity (&
I think one about vacuum energy) in the general science section. Perhaps
it would be possible for someone to post them on the net? (Don are you
up to it? :-) Then all of us who are interested in drives could discuss
them. I'd do it myself, but unfortunately I can't get there from here
:-)
Sheepsqueezer @kcbbs.gen.nz
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The Four National Areas have been tested...
These tests have proved that the planet is immune to truth.
-- 'Shikasta', Doris Lessing
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?
Message-ID: <jms.5137@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 14 Jul 91 03:45:52 GMT
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There have allegedly been other crashes since Roswell. You're just not
hearing about them outside the U.S., probably since Roswell was the first
and its had time to spread. Roswell is also, to the best of my knowledge,
the best-researched and documented. (If it wasn't before, it will be after
this summer's book releases!) It's also probably one of the most credible.
At Roswell, we know that *something* crashed. Some of the others are just
based on stories from private citizens, with no newspaper articles etc. to
say that *anything* actually happened.
There were (allegedly) a few more in the west in the '40s and (I think)
'50s, and one in Pennsylvania in the '60s. There are also *extremely*
dubious stories of very recent crashes in Canada and South Africa.
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: working on a FAQL
Message-ID: <jms.5141@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 14 Jul 91 17:20:04 GMT
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In article <1991Jul10.053754.20691@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
>In article <jms.4991@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>>
>>Not to the best of my knowledge, but we should start one! A sort of FAQL
>>for this newsgroup.
>>
>That's an idea that I'm toying with myself. Frequently, people will ask:
>
>What are the greys? Where do they come from? What IS a "grey"? etc,ect..
>
>Hmmmmmm...I'll get to work on some parts..maybe you could work on something
>too?
I'd like to do something of the sort, but I really don't know how much to
do. For example, I don't want to end up writing a comprehensive history of
alien/human interaction in the 20th century.
If I think of anything, I'll post it. Let's see, we've already defined
"grey" and "Nord." We probably need a list of crash/retrieval cases
(again, *briefly*), "What is MJ-12/MAJI/MAJIC/Majority/Majestic?", "Who are
the Pleiadians?" (this is *not* my favorite area, and probably wouldn't get
favorable treatment from me), who are Lear, Cooper, English, Grace,
Bennewitz, Lazar, Walters, Meier, etc.
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
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What you have written is the basic extent of my knowledge on the subject,
save for a few recent developments. For future reference, this is called
the Cash/Landrum case. It was covered on "Unsolved Mysteries" this year,
and on "That's Incredible". Otherwise it doesn't seem to get a lot of
press, which is unbelievable because it's one of the most shocking accounts
that is actually credible enough to not be rejected outright.
The recent developments of which I spoke concern its coverage on "UFO
Coverup Live!" a few years ago in which the victims were told that it was a
recovered craft being flown by our government, and an incident last year or
the year before in which one of the victims placed a full-page ad in a Gulf
Breeze, Fla. newspaper saying that the aliens are Satanic and a menace to
the human race.
There has been speculation, of course, that it was a nuclear-powered
aircraft developed by our own government. Stanton Friedman has said that
we had such a program at one time. But it was supposed to have been
cancelled long before the Cash/Landrum incident, and I don't think the
government would have been stupid enough to fly something like that around
in the open.
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From: jofre@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (Carlos Jofre)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: That Face on Mars!!!
Message-ID: <1991Jul15.134445.12145@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
Date: 15 Jul 91 13:50:28 GMT
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In article <1991Jul11.223743.1669@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU>, woodc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Chris Wood) writes...
>In article <15481@vpk2.UUCP> craig@vpk2.ATT.COM (Craig Campbell) writes:
>>What about those pictograms scattered about? You know, the bugs etched into
>>the desert or some such thing. Of course there are those who argue that
>>aliens created these as well.
>>
>>Go figure...
>>
>>craig
>
> I meant structures which were built/carved to honor a leader, etc... All
>these man made structures such as the carvings in Mount Rushmore, or statues
>such as the Statue of Liberty are built facing horizontally. I do not agree
>with what many people say about the designs of insects and animals drawn in
>the ground. ... [STUFF DELETED]
Has anyone else thought that maybe the face might at one point been
upright but after thousands or even miilion of years of erotion
finally came to rest where it is now? Kind of like a Muai from
Easter Island falling on its back after a catastrophic storm...
Just a thought...
Carlos Jofre
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From: mcripps@sodium.att.com (16AW20000[ehs]-Mike Cripps(HO0000)T100)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Message-ID: <1991Jul15.165533.14428@sodium.att.com>
Date: 15 Jul 91 16:55:33 GMT
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In article <jms.5143@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> There has been speculation, of course, that it was a nuclear-powered
> aircraft developed by our own government. Stanton Friedman has said that
> we had such a program at one time. But it was supposed to have been
> cancelled long before the Cash/Landrum incident, and I don't think the
> government would have been stupid enough to fly something like that around
> in the open.
Here's some more wild speculation, with little basis in fact...
Last time I read about X-ray lasers (being studied for SDI), the idea was
to blow up a nuke to generate the energy to pump the lasing element. The
problem is that the whole thing is destroyed in the process. Now, I seem
to recall that they had successfully tested an X-ray laser a few years ago
(I believe this was from a N.Y. Times article, and possibly some TV program
that showed the effects, i.e., a big hole being melted in the ground).
Could it be possible that they have devised a device that uses a controlled
nuclear reaction to pump the laser element, and that the melted asphalt
was the result of the beam? I agree it would be stupid to fly something like
this around, but we *are* talking about the govt. here :-)
End of wild speculation...
Mike Cripps
mcripps@sodium.att.com
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From: billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
Message-ID: <4494@anasaz.UUCP>
Date: 15 Jul 91 17:07:30 GMT
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In article <1991Jul12.000115.6189@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
]>In article <4480@anasaz.UUCP> billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
]>>In article <316@jabaru.oz.au> 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans) writes:
]>>>
]>>>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
]>>>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
]>>>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
]>>>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
]>>
]>>What evidence do you know about that supports the crashed UFO claim? Aside
]>>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
]>>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
]>>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
]>>
]>>... stuff deleted ...
]>
]>Mr Moore..it is plenty obvious to me that you haven't got a bloody clue!
]>
]>Go get some books and do your research!!
]>
I have read the book, Don, and, FYI, many, many more. I've got books, video
tapes, reports, etc., I've been to sites and have interviewed witnesses like
Lazar, etal. But you're right about me not having a clue. I couldn't tell
you what's going on but I do know its not little green men from another
planet who fly around the universe in UFOs. I claim there is _NO_ evidence
to support this conclusion.
]>I would most heartily recommend the Randle/Schmitt book, "UFO Crash
]>at Roswell" that just came out in paperback and published by AVON
]>books.
Why? What do you think Randle and Schmitt added to this? We already knew
something happened out there and its a military secret. Randle and Schmitt
added more evidence but we don't need any more evidence about the military
coverup. What we need is more about the alleged UFO crash.
Randle and Schmitt added new second hand hearsay from an unnamed source but
I found it flimsy. Is this what impressed you? Marcel's testimonty isn't
new (I've had the tape for years) and neither is LaPaz's. Is there anything
else? What do you think is the most compelling testimony or evidence in
this case? (Not the military coverup part, the UFO part.)
--Bill--
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From: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
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In-Reply-To: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
I know very little about the US nuclear aircraft program, but it
certainly did exist. It was a typical Cold-War Strangelove idea, to
have a long duration nuclear bomber fleet continuously airborne, just
outside Warpac airspace.
There were two aspects to the program:
Up to 17 prototype nuclear aircraft engines were produced during
1957 - 1961. Air was passed through a reactor & heated, forming a
jet engine. 2 are still in existence, at the Idaho Falls National
Engineering Laboratory. They were tested on ground based test
stands (the exhaust was vented through a vertical chimney), but
never flew. Over a billion dollars were spent on the program,
before it was axed by JFK.
A B36 variant, the B36H, flew with an on-board reactor. It was
operated in flight on several occasions. I don't know if this
reactor was one of the jet engine reactors, but no thrust wasa
ever produced. Photos of this aircraft, together with its
attendant shielded servicing vehicles may be found in a commonly
available book. I don't have accurate title, or ISBN, but it's
something like "Aero engines of the world" & most aviation
bookshops have it.
Technical problems made nuclear aircraft unworkable (then), and
eventually the program was overtaken by the ICBM.
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From: ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell And The Govt. Coverup
Message-ID: <1991Jul15.120901.1089@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
Date: 15 Jul 91 11:09:00 GMT
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In article <72286.287DE18B@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>, Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
>
> I would just about bet that there is a lot of technology which we are becoming
> very familiar with that could have been gleaned from research such as the
> crash of 1947.
>
Well, it's certainly looking as if they took the cold fusion recipe down
wrongly...
Love and kisses,
Jan
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From: ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
Message-ID: <1991Jul15.121750.1091@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
Date: 15 Jul 91 11:17:49 GMT
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In article <jms.5137@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> There have allegedly been other crashes since Roswell.
>
> ...
>
> There were (allegedly) a few more in the west in the '40s and (I think)
> '50s, and one in Pennsylvania in the '60s. There are also *extremely*
> dubious stories of very recent crashes in Canada and South Africa.
>
For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
Jan
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From: cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: My enounters, opinions
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This is my first time to post here, but I have held back so much stuff
so long I had too.. This will involve questions/comments for anyone and
everyone [gov't also] to comment on.
1. I had my first 'UFO encounter about 4 days ago when coming back from my
Church's mission trip. Riding home from church to home with my father.
This was on July 13, 1991. We were about 500 yds from our driveway
along the highway when all of the sudden [half a mile??] when we looked
up and saw this huge ultra-bright light [middle of the afternoon, clear
sky - almost due west about 30 degrees up]. My dad was really shocked,
he thought it might be landing lights of a plane.. but that bright? with
NO outline of wings or anything. There was a small low-flying Cessna
around there [we have a small landing strip here in Starkville, MS.. 30
miles from Columbus AFB [ATC]. We could not figure it out.. it got brighter
and brighter and brighter like coming closer, not ever moving from its
relative postion, then as we both gazed at it still driving, it slowly
'died out' and baout 45 sec. later it was gone, no plane or nothing. We
still can't figure it out, but as I think about it, I have always thought
over the years I have thought I have sen in-clear-daylight- very bright
lights [not by obvious sunlight reflection] but never thought anything about
it. We are still baffled.. anyone have any thoughts or comments.. Has this
happend to you?
2. About 3 weeks ago abouve our house all-day one day, there was this constant
helicoptering around. After about the 2nd time 'these' copters flew over
my family went out side to see. In front was an unmarked solid drab/black
copter resembling one of Magnum PI [Hughes??] anyway about 5-10 seconds later
4-5 at least totally unmarked looked-like Huey Cobras? flew behind. This went on for hours and hours, low to the ground. I asked a friend about thsi
unmarked stuff [ I have heard of unmarked ones following UFO's or govt'
test UFOs etc..] and he said the only unmarked copters are like a secret
FBI ground that 'doesn't exist]. My mother feared it was like Gov't looking
for drugs, etc.. but i dont know.. There were not dozens of copters just
a few totally black/drab unmarked. No Army bases near hear, we have Meridian
Naval Air Station and I think one in Jackson. :) Is this a typical encounter of others. Thanks for any input.
3. I firmly beleive UFOs/intelligent life exist, the evidence is overwhelming,
I think the most documented phonomena in world history and the GOVT is cov
ering up. My personal belief is that these creatures are demons/evil spirits/
in some physical bodies, as it seems by other posts, others beleive this
also. I am a Christian and have tried to weigh the evidence of what they
MIGHT be, and that is the only logical conclusion I could come up with.
4. What are these 'new' findings of JFK being shot from his car?
5. What is this about a coverup about MLK Jr?
6. Underground bases in the Colorados etc..
7. ANyone on here from Gulf Breeze and see UFO's all the time? I'd like
some info on stuff.
8. Is there an ftp site with archives of old _arge_ postings of stuff, the
ones like with 700 or so lines of stuff, I would be interested.
9. Arer there any UFO boards that I could subscribe to, any info would be
helpful.
Thanks to any who comment etc etc.
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
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Date: 17 Jul 91 05:40:18 GMT
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>]>>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
>]>>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
>]>>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
>]>>
>]>>... stuff deleted ...
>]>
>]>Mr Moore..it is plenty obvious to me that you haven't got a bloody clue!
>]>
>]>Go get some books and do your research!!
>]>
>I have read the book, Don, and, FYI, many, many more. I've got books, video
>tapes, reports, etc., I've been to sites and have interviewed witnesses like
>Lazar, etal. But you're right about me not having a clue. I couldn't tell
>you what's going on but I do know its not little green men from another
>planet who fly around the universe in UFOs. I claim there is _NO_ evidence
>to support this conclusion.
>]>I would most heartily recommend the Randle/Schmitt book, "UFO Crash
>]>at Roswell" that just came out in paperback and published by AVON
>]>books.
>Why? What do you think Randle and Schmitt added to this? We already knew
>something happened out there and its a military secret. Randle and Schmitt
>added more evidence but we don't need any more evidence about the military
>coverup. What we need is more about the alleged UFO crash.
>
>Randle and Schmitt added new second hand hearsay from an unnamed source but
>I found it flimsy. Is this what impressed you? Marcel's testimonty isn't
>new (I've had the tape for years) and neither is LaPaz's. Is there anything
>else? What do you think is the most compelling testimony or evidence in
>this case? (Not the military coverup part, the UFO part.)
>
>--Bill--
Hmmmm..You piqued my interest Bill..please answer me a question..are you
the Bill Moore that I see occasionally on the Fido UFO echo? Or are you
THE Bill Moore that has admitted to being a GOVT dis-info agent?
Or none of the above?
It's hard to tell you Moore's apart :-)
Now, if you be *the* Bill Moore..here's a little tidbit for you :-)
This most likely came of the Fido UFO echo not to long ago..'course
if you be *the* Bill Moore..then you would know something about the following:
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From: Ken Willoughby
I got a long letter from Paul Bennewitz in which he wanted
me to put this onto bbd. I am copying verbatim what he says:
--1) The Archeleta Base was raided by a Delta Force, and of the
The Aliens within were killed outright. I can not vouch for
some of this although I have absolute proof that it was. It is
said that a General, a U.S. officer; he apparently got into an
argument in that they, the Alien, were making Cocaine, instead
of making humanoids. Supposedly there was 16 Tons of piled
in one room. One of them, apparently, one he was talking to
used a Blaze Gun, which is similar to a minature flame thrower
and burned him severly. He sent his Aide to call for help and
the Delta Force was there in a very short time. When they saw
what happened, knowing the General had one leg near burned off,
attacked in a frenzy and killed at least 120 of them. Some of
the Delta Force were also burned badly, and some were lost due
to shock etc.,. They were apparently making the stuff so that
they could sell it on the street. In the final count, later,
apparently 8 Tons of the stuff was missing. There was a covert
landing strip just North of Archeleta and they were flying
it out of there. The troups blew the whole operation to hell
bringing down all entrances and totally destroyed the so call-
plastic worms, killing those within. All instrumentation was
destroyed. The whole area was closed and all people were bared
from the mountain; it is now administrated by the Drug Admin-
istration (U.S.), so it is finished. The air strip was plowed
and barricaded.
--2) About 80 escaped taking their ships with them; some were
out on patrol and thus they got away. 40 some odd established
thenselves in caves at Bear Mountain, in New Mexico. The rest
went to what is called, THE DOME, and are still at large.
--3) I have contacted the Secretary of Defense, and a Senator;
also General Jaco and the new Administrator at Kirtland. Some
is attached to give the Coordinates which are fairly accurate.
--4) Those that are in Bear Mountain, N.W. of Magdelena are raiding
raiding and attempting to gain entrance. The prime and important
point is that a humanoid who is in charge by the name CARAUCHE is
using a beam over the four hills area where I live and are hitting
people in the nerve endings that control the stomach's Hcl, or
hydrocloric acid causing the acid to come up the esophagus. Thus
causing one to either throw up or become badly burned in the mouth
and esophagus area. They hit at night and hit me last night.
Fortunately, I had some anti acid Mallox so it reduced the pain.
The odds are if they do it in this area, they will start elsewhere.
They are beginning to take victims and they have no processing
area yet, they are trying to sell them to other bases that still
exist.
They have been threatening me constantly trying to take
out the computers and continue all day. It appears that they
have also discovered that with a small beam that they can intrude
on a person's thought WITHOUT AN IMPLANT. They started to attack
me right after the raid which occurred about 2 years ago;
thinking that I was the one that instigated it. That was obviously
not true. They triggered the onslaught by shooting the General.
They also were very angry when I turned my back on them and threw
ALIEN DATA away. My reason? I just did not have a desire to study
IGNORANCE of humanoids, and intend never to do any more of it.
It's over with.
I am sending this to you in hopes that others may be
aware of what they should be on the guard for. Other than that
I am finished with them. ----- Paul Bennewitz
Postscript note: Ken Willoughby. When you study Paul's material,
you are left with a doubt who got to him.
* Origin: The Desert Dolphin WOCin New Mexico 505 523-2811 (1:305/105.0)
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Now, if you _aren't_ *the* Bill Moore..than consider this just an
amusement...if you are..you have a good deal of explaining to do
regarding Paul Bennewitz.
*My* amusement is watching all the govt MOLES and dis-info agents
who think they are going un-noticed in this newsgroup, try and
back-paddle as fast as they can :-)
So far, I've counted 5 of em'...including one in a real prominent place.
Oh,yeah...I forgot to mention the MAJIC word: HARVEST :-) :-) :-)
Don
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: INFO: Recent MUFON Conference recap - Chicago
Keywords: UFO
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The following is a summary of the just-passed MUFON symposium held
at the Hyatt Regency O'Hare Hotel, in Chicago.
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MUFONET-BBS NETWORK MUTUAL UFO NETWORK
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CONFERENCE RECAP
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1991 MUFON INTERNATIONAL UFO SYMPOSIUM
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Held At The Hyatt Regency O'Hare Hotel
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July 5,6,7 1991
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The 1991 MUFON Symposium, hosted by Illinois - MUFON, started out
on Friday with a press conference of local and national reporters
from newspapers and syndicated TV, with Walt Andrus as the
primary speaker, at around 1:00 pm.
The "Get Acquainted" reception started at 6:00, with many in
attendance, and lots of food/snacks spread on two huge tables in
the large Rosemont ballroom of the hotel. The majority of the
guest speakers were there, as were many MUFON members and others
who have an interest in UFOs or an aspect of the phenomena. This
reception lasted until around 9:00 pm. Friday was more or less a
check-in day for those arriving from other locales.
Saturday was the start of the symposium, with the affair opening
up with a welcome from Illinois - MUFON to all from Thomas
Stults, State Director, and the acting "Master of Ceremonies",
Forest Crawford, Assistant State Director.
(I won't include the actual times of the presentations, since
they were covered in the MUFON Journal).
Next were the speakers with their presentations:
DENNIS STACY:
Dennis made a presentation concerning Crop Circles, going into
the history of the phenomena, designs, associate phenomena such
as luminous shapes and colors, animal reactions, high-pitched or
humming sounds, electromagnetic interference effects, sensations
of 'invisible' fields, etc., and the theory of possible
intelligent development and/or communication.
ZECHARIA SITCHIN:
Zecharia's presentation focused on the theory of a connection
between the writings in the bible as a sort of log of visitation
of a civilization from another planet, the presence of a 12th
planet, the connection between the number 12 and the ancient
Greeks, bible, and findings from ancient cities such as Mesopot-
amia, Assyria and Babylon, to name a few.
MICHAEL D. SWORDS:
Michael's presentation concentrated on the hypothesis of
extraterrestrial presence in the makeup of the UFO enigma,
covering items such composition of meteorites, atmospheric makeup
of other planets along the possibility of sustaining some type of
'life', biochemical occurrences, genetically/chromosomal
possibilities, biophysical structures and E.T., and "what if"
other forms of life are in existence.
LINDA MOULTON HOWE:
Linda's presentation included a slide presentation of animal
mutilations along with discussion of alien intervention of life
forms on our planet, motives behind the abduction and mutilation
of animals and humans, and touched on the roles of abductees/
contactees and the communication they provide concerning the
presence and motives of these intruders.
JOHN A. ALTSHULER:
John's presentation also pertained to animal mutilations and the
resultant tissue changes found over the last 24 years, in animals
such as cattle, deer and rabbits. He discusses the variants of
tissue alterations associated with predation, cultist killings,
accidental death, and that area of "other" which comprises much
of what Linda and John are deeply involved in, alien intervention
of life on this planet.
JEAN-PIERRE PETIT:
This presentation focused on the recent UFO wave now occurring in
Belgium, with thousands of witnesses, and one wave covering two
days, November 29-30, 1989, which had over 900 cases of UFO
sightings with the craft within 1000 feet of the witnesses in
each instance. Jean discussed radar observation of objects, F-
16's being out maneuvered by craft, although the aircraft had
'locked-on' to the target, a discussion of the propulsion
techniques of UFOs, and the effect of air movement from a UFO as
opposed to conventional craft.
JOHN S. CARPENTER:
John's presentation focused on the clinical aspect of the
abductee phenomena, what observations are required from the
professional areas concerning diagnosing an abduction patient,
what can be ruled out in efforts of ascertaining the actual
causes of a patients trauma, the credibility factor of a patient,
hoaxes, and the application of hypnosis as a tool for
patient/doctor interaction.
STANTON T. FRIEDMAN:
Stanton's discussion concentrated on new information obtained
from 1989 onward concerning crashed craft, and touched on past
history of information from various sources and the media
representation of UFO information. Also discussed was some of
the 'behind-the-scenes' in the making of the documentaries "UFO
Cover UP? Live", "UFOs Are Real" and the "Unsolved Mysteries"
segments. A brief discussion of William Moore and his past and
present role in the scenario of investigations was included.
COLIN ANDREWS:
Colin did not present a published paper for the symposium, yet
offered a thrilling highlight to the proceedings when he showed a
video, shot from a hillside by a couple in England, of a
obviously metallic disk, approximately 6-10 inches in diameter,
weaving in, out, over and thru a crop field in daylight,
reflecting the sunlight as it maneuvered around the field,
crossed over to another field, was witnessed also by a farmer on
a tractor in the field, and lasted (on videotape) for 4-5
minutes. To say the least, this was amazing! Colin also
presented an audiotape of sounds originating as a crop circle was
being formed, and discerning the presence of two distinct sounds,
or notes, or pitches.
MICHAEL CHOROST:
Michael's paper focused on the theory of the investigation of
Crop Circles, ie., "Cereology", becoming a science and scientific
pursuit onto itself, based on the variety and complexity of the
information presently on hand concerning the formation of
circles. He concentrated on the formation of a 'structured'
foundation of scientists and researchers allowing interaction of
their knowledge and findings for all involved in the field.
Discussed were the past and present state of the investigations
and facts uncovered by many people and the complexity of the
different shapes the circles are now taking.
C.B. SCOTT JONES:
This discussion focused on the government involvement in UFO
information, suppression and dis-information, collaboration of
other governments with the U.S. government in cover-ups and
sharing of UFO-related informations and cases, and the analysis
and problems in handling a actual piece of metal from a craft,
and the findings found from the analysis, and the formation of an
international exchange policy for sharing research.
DAVID M. JACOBS:
Dr. Jacobs dissertation dealt with the clinical and psychological
aspects of the abductee phenomenon, the separating of reality
from imagination in the witnesses/patients, the complexity of
hypnosis in ascertaining valid retrieval of information,
abductee's accounts of their experiences, descriptions of aliens,
conversations held with their captors, channeled communication,
interpretation of alien thoughts, and the relationship of an
abductee's experiences with objective reality and their
perception of same.
GENE M. PHILLIPS:
This discussion concentrated on the "Plain of Nazca", located
between the towns of Palpa and Nazca, in the province of Ica,
approximately 300 miles south of Lima, Peru. The presentation
was basically a rebuttal to the Nova TV Program titled "The Case
of the Ancient Astronauts", originally shown by Public
Broadcasting Stations in 1978, and aired repeatedly thereafter.
Mr. Phillips discussed the history of the findings at the Plain,
and theorized at the reason for their existence.
BRUCE S. MACCABEE:
Dr. Maccabee presented the factual, overall picture of the
experiences of those around Gulf Breeze, Florida, with it's over
260 UFO sightings since November 1987, which included perhaps
three times as many witnesses. Ed Walters and his family had been
involved in only a small fraction of those sightings, but because
of the pictures taken by Ed, and the resultant publicity focused
on him by the various media, the world associated Ed's
experiences with all the happenings at Gulf breeze, when actually
he was just "one of the many witnesses" involved. Dr. Maccabee
rectified this 'commercial image' of the Gulf Breeze experience
by taking Ed Walters out of the picture and showed what has and
is actually happening in the area. Yes, Gulf breeze is real
without "ED!"
The symposium ended with a "Question and Answer" Panel composed
of all speakers with Forest Crawford as Moderator, and an
invitation for all to the 1992 MUFON International UFO Symposium
to be held in Albuquerque, New Mexico, dates to be determined.
John Komar
State Director/Tennessee - MUFON
Administrator - MUFONET-BBS network
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Subject: FILE:WPAT.TXT - UFO's at Wright Patterson?
Keywords: UFO NSA CIA HARVEST DULCE GREYS SETI COOPER ANTICHRIST REPTOIDS 666
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. The
content of this information does NOT necessarily reflect the personal
views of the poster,nor should the views,opinions,statements or claims
represented in the following be accepted by anyone reading these texts
at *face* value. If this interests you, please endeavor to research it
yourself and investigate it to *your* satisfaction, and as such I will
leave it in your hands to either prove it or de-bunk it :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
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Wright Patterson AFB : What's Going On There?
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- Captain Edward Ruppelt while head of the U.S. Air Force's Air
Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC) "Project Bluebook", was
stationed at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
- Some believe Wright-Patterson to be a 24 hour Top Secret UFO
monitoring and research station.
- After the July 2, 1947 crash of a UFO at Roswell, New Mexico, the
wreckage of the craft was loaded onto a B-29 and shipped directly
to Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio.
- Wright Field (as it was formerly known) was the headquarters for
the Air Materiel Command (AMC). General Nathan Twining was the
Commanding General of the AMC back in 1947. He is also implicated
as being one of the original "MJ-12" members.
- Gun camera film taken from F-86A Sabre jets in 1953-54 was later
taken to Wright-Patterson AFB for evaluation.
- Colonel John Burnett was the Air Attache to the Foreign Technology
Division at Wright-Pat in 1965 and met with a Captain Bruce Cathie,
a New Zealand airline pilot who related to Burnett that he had
discovered evidence for a "worldwide grid system used by UFOs".
Burnett revealed to Cathie that intensive UFO research was going
on there. In Cathie's second book he says the following..."The
scientific laboratory there, set up for the purpose, was described
as a complex of buildings covering a large area and staffed by
many of the world's top scientists. Experimental work was carried
out twenty-four hours a day, 365 days a year.
- The crash of a 100ft in diameter saucer with 16 dead aliens aboard
near Aztec, New Mexico in 1948, had its remains sent to Wright-Pat
shortly thereafter.
- In a book by Jean-Charles Fumoux in 1981 entitled "Preuves
Scientifiques OVNI", the author relates how Leon B. Visse, an
alleged expert on histons (elements connected with cellular
genetic material) was invited in 1959 to a military compound at
Wright-Patterson AFB, where he was asked to perform an experiment
on the histonic weight of particular cells. Visse was later taken
into a special room where he viewed two humanoid corpses.
- Leonard Stringfield contacted a former Navy test pilot known as
"P.J.", who related the story of him and several other Navy pilots
coming across a saucer-shaped aircraft which was being guarded at
Wright-Patterson AFB back in April/1962. He was puzzled by the
seeming lack of security since the object was not located in the
test facility of the AFB.
- Tommy Blann, a researcher, interviewed a Colonel "X" who said,
"In the earlier years they had taken some bodies to this base,
but later it depended on where they were found. They had a hell
of a time setting up procedures for this operation, as well as
getting craft out of the area without it being observed. Usually
this was done at nighttime." Colonel"X" also told Blann that he
believed that in more recent years the bodies were flown outside
the U.S. to a secret naval installation on an island in the Pacific.
- Senator Barry Goldwater was denied access into a building at Wright
Patterson AFB because it was classified above Top Secret. Goldwater
did say that he understood that a plan was underway to release all
or part of this material sometime in the future...although he didn't
know what it was, he did say that he was aware of the rumours.
* Note: The above was taken from Timothy Good's 1988 UFO Book
entitled "Above Top Secret".
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From: cn0n@speech.cs.cmu.edu (Cynthia K Neelan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: My enounters, opinions
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In article <1201@ra.MsState.Edu> cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister) writes:
> 3. I firmly beleive UFOs/intelligent life exist, the evidence is
overwhelming,
> I think the most documented phonomena in world history and the GOVT is cov
> ering up. My personal belief is that these creatures are demons/evil
spirits/
> in some physical bodies, as it seems by other posts, others beleive this
> also. I am a Christian and have tried to weigh the evidence of what they
> MIGHT be, and that is the only logical conclusion I could come up with.
I don't think that logic had much to do with it.
cin
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Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
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ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <jms.5137@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>> There have allegedly been other crashes since Roswell.
>> There were (allegedly) a few more in the west in the '40s and (I think)
>> '50s, and one in Pennsylvania in the '60s. There are also *extremely*
>> dubious stories of very recent crashes in Canada and South Africa.
>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
Well, see their ships are ozone powered... :-)
What's even stranger is that they continually pick up
and mutilate cattle... What sort of info do they gain from their
7,893rd cow?
I think I'll rent _Communion_ and _Close Encounters_ tonight
and watch them back-to-back (but which one FIRST)? That should
scare my sister and brother... :-)
BBC
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Why do you suppose the military never responds to these posts? I have
no doubt that someone in the Air Force is reading these things. I am
also aware that whoever is reading them probably does not have the
authority to make a statement regarding AF policy, but were this any
other media I guarantee you'd hear from a spokesperson.
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: FILE: ALIEN-TYPES.TXT
Keywords: UFO GREYS REPTOIDS HUMANOIDS POD PEOPLE COUNTERFEITS TARES
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. The
content of this information does NOT necessarily reflect the personal
views of the poster,nor should the views,opinions,statements or claims
represented in the following be accepted by anyone reading these texts
at *face* value. If this interests you, please endeavor to research it
yourself and investigate it to *your* satisfaction, and as such I will
leave it in your hands to either prove it or de-bunk it :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
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MUFONET-BBS network - Mutual UFO Network
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ALIEN DESCRIPTIONS - VARIETIES
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[Note: This is a message from a participant of the CONTACT Echo, discussing
the types of aliens and their descriptions.]
Date: 01-01-91 14:04
From: Sandy Barbre
Subj: DESCRIPTIONS: ALIEN
Below please find a copy of a variety of alien beings descriptions put on the
UFO echo by David House.... I thought you might find some of this interesting
and I know that a few of you don't get the UFO echo or just don't read it.
Okay...here goes...
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by David House
VARIETIES OF ALIEN BEINGS KNOWN TO "INTERACT" WITH HUMANS
AND SUPPOSEDLY INVOLVED IN INFLUENCING HUMAN AFFAIRS.
DISCLAIMER: I make no claims for the accuracy of this list and express no
personal opinion on the matter. It was given to me as "accurate information"
and I just wanted to pass it along to anyone who might find it interesting or
otherwise useful. I'd appreciate any feedback you'd care to share with me if
you wish to proceed in a civilized manner.
ALIEN TYPE 1: The Greys. Of this type there are several sub-types. All tend
to appear greyish in color and for this reason are referred to as "greys."
GREY TYPE A: This is the type most commonly referred to as the greys. Also
known as Zeta Reticuli from the Zeta Reticulan star system (the Bernard star)
neighboring the Orion area. They function in a mode that is apparently
military in nature with a rigidly defined social structure that holds science
and "conquering worlds" to be the prime movers. They are normally about 4.5
ft tall with large heads and black "wrap around" eyes. They have limited
facial features, slit mouth and no nose to speak of. They have evolved beyond
the need for reproductive systems or digestive systems and reproduce by
cloning. Their genetics are partly based on insectoidal genetics.
Their science deals largely with the study of other life forms and
genetic engineering. They have supposedly had a part to play in the
alteration of human genetics over thousands of years. It seems that they
may be trying to cross breed with humans in order to create a "mixture race"
that would be better than either. (I've read that they are a dying
species, that have cloned so much that now, with each successive cloning,
the species grows weaker. They are trying to infuse new life into their
species by creating the mixed breed.)
There seem to be two main social classes. One is the more hawkish and is
more abrupt, crude and blunt. The more dove-like ones are more refined and
capable of a more business-like behavior towards humans, and prefer to use
more "diplomatic" behavior to gain control over human's. This type of Grey is
what I believe is being referred to as the "Orange" class of Greys.
They seem to be emotionless (by human standards) and therefore are seen as
cruel in their treatment of human beings. They are able to take human lives
without any regard for that individual. They apparently can use certain
substances of the human body for their sustenance and therefore appear to be
carnivorous in regards to humans. (I also read that they extract fluid from
some part of the human brain during intense emotional response [fear] and are
able to use it like a recreational drug.)
It is my understanding that these greys are actually servants to a master
race of reptilian-type aliens and are trying to prepare the earth for their
arrival by gaining control over the earth through many means. They tend to
enjoy the feeling of freedom they have on earth, away from their masters and
would desire the help of humans in confrontations with the reptilians...which
appears to be a consideration for the near future (mid 90's.)
These greys have their best known bases in New Mexico and Nevada but are
also known to have bases in many countries of the world.
GREY TYPE B: Tall Greys from Orion. Usually about 7 to 8 ft. tall (reports
often exaggerate their height as being 9 to 12 ft.) with facial feature
somewhat similar to grey type A with the exception of the large nose found on
type B greys. These greys also have technologies that allow them to perform
certain actions that appear "miraculous." These greys are less viscous
towards humans than type A greys (but are still considered "hostile".) They
tend to influence more through political controls and negotiated agreements
with those in power. Their main bases seem to be in the Aleutian Islands.
These are the type seen not long ago in Eastern Russia.
GREY TYPE C: These are the shortest of the greys and tend to be about 3.5
ft. tall. Their facial features are very similar to the Zeta Reticuli greys
and are of the same "root race.". They are just as hostile to humans as the
Zetas. They are from a star system near the shoulder of Orion called
Bellatrax.
ALIEN TYPE 2: THE REPTILIANS: A genetics akin to reptiles, these are highly
advanced entities but viewed as being of a negative, hostile or dangerous
disposition since they regard humans as a totally inferior race. They would
perceive us much the way we would perceive a herd of cattle. They are
carnivorous in regard to humans. There is supposedly a "driven" planetoid or
asteroid inhabited by 30 million of these lizard-folk that is to enter our
solar system in the mid 90's if the present schedule is kept.
They consider earth to be their own ancient outpost and would expect to
have complete control of the entire planet upon their return. Their own
planet is becoming unable to adequately support life and they need somewhere
else to live. These are the aliens who are served by the type A greys.
ALIEN TYPE 3: HUMAN TYPE ALIENS
HUMAN TYPE A: These are of a genetic base similar to humans of earth. They
appear of "normal" height (5-6ft?) and tend to be fair-skinned with blonde
hair. These entities have been abducted by the greys or are the offspring of
abductees and have been trained by the greys as servants. These entities are
totally subservient to the greys.
HUMAN TYPE B: These are aliens of similar genetics to earth humans and also,
it seems, of the humans that serve the greys. These are from the Pleiades and
are also of the blonde, fair-skinned appearance. This type is of a genuine
highly evolved, spiritual, benevolent variety and have a kinship toward humans
and are the only aliens to be truly trusted by earth humans at this time. They
had at one time offered to be of assistance to earth leaders in dealing with
the alien situation here but were rebuffed and so have taken a kind of "hands
off" approach for the time being. These aliens are supposedly the forefather
race of humankind. These are apparently not on earth much at this time due to
serious problems in the area of their home.
HUMAN TYPE C: Very little is known about these. They are supposedly another
of the highly evolved, spiritual type of great benevolence to earth humans. I
understand that their appearance is similar to other human-type aliens. They
are from Sirius and don't appear to be much involved with earth happenings at
this time other than being concerned about the Grey scenario. They could
desire to be of help to humans.
There are other known human type aliens of this "more highly spiritually
evolved" nature that are apparently aware of the situation on earth and
considering some possible course of action. These are from Arcturus and Vega.
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Don
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From: ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: A way out of here.
Message-ID: <91198.220255ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: 18 Jul 91 02:02:55 GMT
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In article <91197.093313JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU says:
>They say they have a planet called PC22 that is a lot like our
>Earth was l50 years ago. They say by l994 they will bring their
>space ships and anyone can go that so desires. I'll leave you
'Don't go....To Serve Man....it's a cookbook!!'
(thanks Harlan)
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Drive System & Navigation
Message-ID: <jms.5205@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 17 Jul 91 03:47:01 GMT
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In article <1991Jul15.172342.485@kcbbs.gen.nz> sheepsqueezer@kcbbs.gen.nz (Colin Jones) writes:
>I seem to remember that when Don Allen posted a list of MUFONet files
>there were some interesting-looking ones about gravity/antigravity (&
>I think one about vacuum energy) in the general science section. Perhaps
>it would be possible for someone to post them on the net? (Don are you
>up to it? :-) Then all of us who are interested in drives could discuss
>them. I'd do it myself, but unfortunately I can't get there from here
I haven't been around long enough to have seen the filelist, but chances
are I've seen some of these files. I have quite a collection of files on
such subjects, and I was thinking about posting a few of them myself, and
might yet if I can remember where I put them :-) Of course, if Don wants
to beat me to it...
How about it, guys? Do you want some speculative files on UFO propulsion?
Off the top of my head, I have one on an electromagnetic drive based on
Tesla's ideas, one on graviton/tachyon drives that appears to have been
channeled, and one that goes through several stages from down-to-earth to
the extremely bizarre. I've also got a file describing how to build a
spacetime warping coil (I have no idea if it's ever been done
successfully.)
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,misc.headlines,sci.energy
Subject: SOURCE INFO: Tesla publications - list 1
Keywords: Lindsay Publications Inc.
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