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represented in the following be accepted by anyone reading these texts
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What follows is some source info on where to find publications
on/about/regarding Nikola Tesla.
PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS BEING PUBLISHED FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY!
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Alfred A. Skrocki
April 26, 1991
This is a list of literature on Nikola Tesla and related material,
currently available from Lindsay Publications Inc. with a brief
description of each reference. Any of the publications listed can be
ordered from:
Lindsay Publications Inc.
P.O. Box 12
Bradley IL 60915-0012
Thay charge 75 cents shipping for the first book and 25 cents for
each additional book. Thay accept VISA and MasterCharge and do C.O.D.
their Phone-order number is (815)468-3668 their FAX number is
(815)468-3694 . All their books have a satisfaction gaurantee! Be sure
to get on their mailing list for their "Electrical Books" catalog, and
tell them about the Tesla BBS (Who knows, Thay may list it in one of
their future catalogs)
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Build your Own Laser, Phaser, Ion Ray Gun...
by Robert E. Lannini
TAB Books
Contains the plains to build many devices listed in the "Information
Unlimited, Inc." catalog, including a 250,000 volt Tesla coil, a solid-
state Tesla coil, ruby lasers, solid state lasers, a CO2 IR laser, LED
laser simulators, Ultrasonic pain field generators, Magnetic field
distortion detector, an IR viewer, and a variety of "bugs".
8 x 0 1/2 paperback, 390 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 346 $17.95
Electrical Designs
Articles From American Electrician Magazine 1901
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
Numerous plans for motors, ammeters, watt meters, galvanometers,
a Wimhust influence machine, a condenser for extremely high potentials,
and an article on the construction of a Tesla - Thompson high frequency
coil.
5 1/2 x 11 paperback, 262 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4228 $11.50
Electricity at High Pressures and Frequencies
by Henry L. Transtrom 1921
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
Not much how-to, but descriptions on existing equipment in 1921, with
theory, calculations on performance and numerous photos. First chapter
devoted to principles of electricity in simplified terms. many photos
of high voltage experiments.
5 x 7 paperback, 264 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 20544 $11.95
Experiments With Alternate Currents of High Potential & High Frequency
by Nikola Tesla
A reprint of the Lecture delivered by Tesla before the Institution
of Electrical Engineers, London, with an appendix on the
transmission of electrical energy without wire. The last fourteen
pages is a reprint of Tesla's article from the March 5, 1904 issue
of "Electrical World and Engineer" complete with photographs of Tesla's
experimental apparatus at the Colorado Springs and Long Island
laboratories.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 170 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4392 $9.95
High Frequency Apparatus
by Thomas Stanley Curtis 1916
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc. 1988
Much discussion on the constituent parts of Tesla coils with details on
construction of everything from the High voltage primary transformer to
the Winding of the Tesla coil secondary. Several detailed plans for large
Tesla coils (fifty inch sparks) and a large chapter on the use of the
Tesla coil in stage acts and High Frequency Plant Culture. Well
illustrated.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 247 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 20030 $11.95
High Power Wireless Equipment
by Alfred Morgan
Popular Electricity Magazine 1910-1911
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
A compiliation of articles that appeared in Popular Electricity Magazine
dealing with Spark-gap transmitters and how to build them from the ground
up! Includes chapters on; Tesla and his Wireless Age and Construction of
the Tesla High Frequency Apparatus.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 99 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4953 $9.95
Inventions, Researches & Writings of Nikola Tesla
by Thomas Commerford Martin 1893
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
A comprehensive collection of Tesla's work up to 1893. Contains
chapters on; Polyphase currents, Tesla effects with High Frequency
and High Potential Currents (including transcriptions of all of
Tesla's lectures on High frequency and High potential currents up to
1893, Miscellaneous Inventions and Writings (including Tesla's Thermo
and Pyro-magnetic motors),and an Appendix on Early Phase Motors and
the Tesla Oscillators (covering Tesla's personal exhibit at the
Chicago Worlds Fair and Tesla's mechanical and electrical oscillators.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 496 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4902 $16.95
Lakhovsky Multi-Wave Oscillator Handbook
compiled by Thomas J. Brown
A typewritten report covering history, wiring diagrams, construction
tips, reprints of the Lakhovsky patents, "documented" cases of cure,
and a series of reprinted magazine articles on the use of radio frequency
waves to cure diseases.
8 1/2 x 11 spiral bound, 156 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 357 $16.95
Mechanics Notebook 20 - Old Magazine Plans
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
Construction plans gleamed from; "Everyday Engineering Magazine",
"Electrical Experimenter","Practical Electrics and "Science and
Invention" covering the period of September 1918 to February 1926.
Mostly of interest to machinists, but includes plans for a twenty
four inch Tesla coil.
8 1/2 x 11 booklet 22 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 848 $5.95
Plans & Instructions to Build the -
"Mini" Tesla Electric Spark Coil
by John F. Nuyen
A small typewritten booklet by an experimenter on building a Tesla
coil using a Model-T ignition coil, the Tesla Coil itself uses 8 guage
wire for the primary and 34 gauge wire on a sixteen inch length of PVC
tubing. A "home-grown" publication.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 booklet, 16 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 374 $4.00
Plans & Instructions to Build the -
High Frequency Electric Coil
by John F. Nuyen
A small typewritten booklet by an experimenter on building an Oudin
coil using a Model-T ignition coil, the Oudin Coil itself uses 8 guage
wire for the primary and 34 gauge wire on a paper tube. A "home-grown"
publication.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 booklet, 16 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 375 $4.00
Space Energy Recievers
by Simplified Technology Service
Most of the devices described were built to defraud gullible investors.
There is a brief description on Tesla's Free-energy reciever. Other devices
described include; the Moray unit, the Yglesias machine, Hartwig's pendulum
observations, Perrigo's machine, the Mushroom generator, and a British
report on a World War II German machine. Has photos, diagrams and a list
of experimentors.
8 1/2 x 11 booklet, 21 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 882 $4.50
Tesla: The Lost Inventions
by George Trinkaus 1988
High Voltage Press
contains a brief history of Tesla's various endevors and brief
overviews of; Tesla's Turbine, Spark-Gap oscillator, The Tesla coil,
Magnifying Transmitter, Tesla's High Frequency lighting devices,
Transportation (including Tesla's Vertical take-off and landing plane)
and Tesla's Free-energy reciever.
8 1/2 x 7 booklet, 34 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4317 $6.95
Tesla Coil
by George Trinkaus
High Voltage Press
Contains a brief overview of Tesla, his career and his coil.
Instructions on building a Tesla coil using a neon sign transformer
and a spark gap to drive the primary. Contains brief discussions on;
glass and foil capacitors, oil capacitors, salt-water capacitors,
series and rotary spark gaps, Tesla's Magnifying transmiter,
a schematic for a 6L6 tube driven coil and an ozone disinfector.
7 x 8 1/2 booklet, 21 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 741 $4.95
Tesla Coil Secrets - Construction notes and novel uses
by R. A. Ford
Lindsay Publications Inc. 1985
Numerous Tesla coil plans, covering everything from a miniature coil
wound on a 5 3/4 inch testube to a four foot coil yielding fifty four
inch sparks! Several designs for spark gaps,including rotary and quenched
gaps. Many examples of experiments with Tesla coils and discussion on
experiments in wireless power, electrotheraputics, and electroculture.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 74 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4317 $6.95
Tesla - Man Out of Time
by Margaret Chaney 1981
Prentice-Hall,Inc.
An extensive biography on Tesla covering much material released by the
Freedom of Information Act, and material gleamed from the references in
the bibliography on Tesla that Margret Chaney served as Co-editor for.
mass-market paperback, 310 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 717 $5.95
The Very Best From The Electrical Experimenter 1916-1917
anthology by Lindsay Publications Inc.
A compiliation of articles on spark-gap transmitters and Tesla coils
gleamed from Electrical Experimenter magazine. Articles on; Spark-gaps,
rotary spark-gaps, a bottle Tesla coil, a thirty six inch spark Tesla
coil for lecturers, a 1/4 KW Oudin coil, construction of Tesla coils
for medical and lecture use, use of Tesla coils in treatment of diseases,
Dr. Tesla and his achievements, Lightning made to order, Tesla's views
on electricity and war, and an article on Reginald A. Fressenden.
8 1/2 x 11 paperback, 108 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 20137 $9.95
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Subject: SOURCE INFO: Tesla publications - list 2
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content of this information does NOT necessarily reflect the personal
views of the poster,nor should the views,opinions,statements or claims
represented in the following be accepted by anyone reading these texts
at *face* value. If this interests you, please endeavor to research it
yourself and investigate it to *your* satisfaction, and as such I will
leave it in your hands to either prove it or de-bunk it :-)
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exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
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on/about/regarding Nikola Tesla.
PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS BEING PUBLISHED FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY!
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April 1991
Bearden, T, E. Fer-De-Lance: A Briefing on Soviet Scaler Electromagnetic
Weapons. Tesla Book Co., 1986.
225 p. / ill. $27.50
Cheney, Margaret. Tesla: Man out of Time. Hippocrene Books, Inc., 3/90
320 p. $18.95
Cheney, Margaret. Tesla, man out of time.
/ Margaret Cheney. -- Englewood Cliffs, N.J. : Prentice-Hall, c1981.
Commander X. Nikola Tesla: Free Energy & the White Dove.
Global Communications, 12 / 90
130 p. $8.95
Corum, James F. TCTUTOR: A Personal Computer Analysis of Spark Gap Tesla
Coils. Corum & Associates, Inc,. 12/88
96 p. / ill. $75.00
Corum, James F. Vacuum Tube Tesla Coils. Corum & Associates, Inc,. 12/88
130 p. / paperback / ill. $55.00
Hunt, Inez. Lightning in His Hands: The Life Story of Nikola Tesla.
Angriff Press,
paperback $5.00
Johnston, Benjamin H. And in Creating Live : The Early Life of Nikola Tesla.
Hart Brothers Publishing, 6/90
175 p. / ill. $8.95
Martin, T. C. Inventions, Reaserches & Writings of Nikola Tesla. Gordon Press
Publishers, 10/86
Library binding $250.00
Martin, Thomas Commerford, 1856-1924.
The inventions, researches, and writing of Nikola Tesla, with special reference
to his work in polyphase currents and high potential lighting.
/ by Thomas Commerford Martin. -- Hawthorne, Ca.
Omni Publications ; (New York : distributed by W. S. Heinman), 1977.
O'Neil, John J. The Prodigal Genius: The Life of Nikola Tesla.
Angriff Press,
326 p. / paperback $6.00
O'Neil, John J. The Prodigal Genius: The Life and Mind of Nikola Tesla.
Gordon Press Publishers, 11/86
Library binding $79.95
Phillips, Mark, ed. Tesla - Mechanical Resonance: Bass Guitar. Cherry Lane
Books,
71 p. / paperback / ill. $14.95
Phillips, Mark, ed. Tesla - The Great Radio Controversy: Guitar - Vocal.
Cherry Lane Books,
102 p. / paperback / ill. $16.95
Ratzlaff, John T., ed. Tesla: Complete Patents. Gordon Press Publishers, 8/86
Library binding $125.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Tesla Said. Tesla Book Co., 4/84
paperback $28.00
Ratzlaff, John T. ed. Dr. Nikola Tesla-Selected Patent Wrappers from the
National Archives. Tesla Book Co., 1981.
paperback $60.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Dr. Nikola Tesla Bibliography. Ragusan Press, 1979.
248 p. / paperback $18.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Dr. Nikola Tesla. Tesla Book Co., 10/79.
paperback / ill. $20.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Dr. Nikola Tesla--Complete Patents. 2nd ed. Tesla Book Co.,
500 p. / Library binding / ill. $35.00
Tesla, Nikola. The Problem of Increasing Human Energy, with Special Reference
to Harnessing the Sun's Energy. Revisionist Press, 3/91.
Library binding $75.00
Tesla, Nikola. The Tesla Coil. Revisionist Press, 3/91.
Library binding $75.00
Tesla, Nikola. Catalogue of Patents: A. Radmila. Vanous, Arthur, Co., 1988.
62 p. $10.00
Tesla, Nikola. Museum Catalogue - Museum. Vanous, Arthur, Co., 1987.
30 p.
Tesla, Nikola. Expirements with Alternating Currents. Gordon Press
Publishers, 7/86
Library binding $250.00
Tesla, Nikola. Nikola Tesla: Colorado Springs Notes 1899-1900. Gordon Press
Publishers, 8/86
Library binding $250.00
Cheney, Margaret. Tesla: Man out of Time. Dell Publishing Co., Inc, 8/83
320 p. $18.95
Tesla, Nikola. My Inventions: The Autobiography of Nikola Tesla. Hart Bothers
Publishing. 10/82
110 p. / paperback / ill. $10.00
Bearden, T E. Solutions to Tesla's Secrets & the Soviet Tesla Weapons with
Reference Articles for Solutions to Tesla's Secrets. Tesla Book Co., 1/82
188 p. / paperback / ill. $14.00
Norman, Ruth E. Tesla Speaks. Unarius Publications, 1973.
ill.
Tesla, Nikola. Tribute to: Museum. Vanous, Arthur, Co., 1961.
572 p. $60.00
Hayes, Jeffery A. Boundary Layer Breakthrough: The Bladeless Tesla Turbine.
High Energy Enterprises
184 p. / Tesla tech. ser.; Vol2 $19.95
Tesla, Nikola. Colorado Springs Notes 1899 - 1900. Angriff Press, [?]
440 p. $40.00
Tesla, Nikola. Experiments with A. C. & Transmission of Electric Energy
Without Wires. Angriff Press,
162 p. $10.00
Tesla, Nikola. Inventions, Researches, & Writings. Angriff Press, $14.00
Tesla, Nikola. The Problem of Increasing Human Energy. High Energy
Enterprises,
96 p. / paperback / ill. $9.95
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THE GREATEST HACKER OF ALL TIME
by Dave Small
(c) 1987 Reprinted from Current Notes magazine.
The question comes up from time to time. "Who's the
greatest hacker ever? "Well, there's a lot of different opinions
on this. Some say Steve Wozniak of Apple II fame. Maybe Andy
Hertzfeld of the Mac operating system. Richard Stallman, say
others, of MIT. Yet at such times when I mention who I think the
greatest hacker is, everyone agrees (provided they know of him),
and there's no further argument. So, let me introduce you to him,
and his greatest hack. I'll warn you right up front that it's
mind numbing. By the way, everything I'm going to tell you is
true and verifiable down at your local library. Don't worry --
we're not heading off into a Shirley MacLaine UFO-land story.
Just some classy electrical engineering...
THE SCENE: COLORADO SPRINGS, CO.
Colorado Springs is in southern Colorado, about 70 mile
south of Denver. These days it is known as the home of several
optical disk research corporations and of NORAD, the missile
defense command under Cheyenne Mountain. (I have a personal
interest in Colorado Springs; my wife Sandy grew up there.)
These events took place some time ago in Colorado Springs. A
scientist had moved into town and set up a laboratory on Hill
Street, on the southern outskirts. The lab had a two hundred
foot copper antenna sticking up out of it, looking something like
a HAM radio enthusiast's antenna. He moved in and started work.
And strange electrical things happened near that lab. People
would walk near the lab, and sparks would jump up from the ground
to their feet, through the soles of their shoes. One boy took a
screwdriver, held it near a fire hydrant, and drew a four inch
electrical spark from the hydrant. Sometimes the grass around
his lab would glow with an eerie blue corona, St. Elmo's Fire.
What they didn't know was this was small stuff. The man in the
lab was merely tuning up his apparatus. He was getting ready to
run it wide open in an experiment that ranks as among the
greatest, and most spectacular, of all time. One side effect of
his experiment was the setting of the record for man-made
lightning: some 42 meters in length (130 feet).
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THE MAN: NIKOLA TESLA.
His name was Nikola Tesla. He was an immigrant from what is now
Yugoslavia; there's a museum of his works in Belgrade. He's a
virtual unknown in the United States, despite his
accomplishments. I'm not sure why. Some people feel it's a dark
plot, the same people who are into conspiracy theories. I feel
it's more that Tesla, while a brilliant inventor, was also an
awful businessman; he ended up going broke. Businessmen who go
broke fade out of the public eye; we see this in the computer
industry all the time. Edison, who wasn't near the inventor
Tesla was, but who was a better businessman, is well remembered
as is his General Electric. Still, let me list a few of Tesla's
works just so you'll understand how bright he was. He invented
the AC motor and transformer. (Think of every motor in your
house.) He invented 3-phase electricity and popularized
alternating current, the electrical distribution system used all
over the world. He invented the Tesla Coil, which makes the high
voltage that drives the picture tube in your computer's CRT. He
is now credited with inventing modern radio as well; the Supreme
Court overturned Marconi's patent in 1943 in favor of Tesla.
Tesla, in short, invented much of the equipment that gets
power to your home every day from miles away, and many that use
that power inside your home. His inventions made George
Westinghouse (Westinghouse Corp.) a wealthy man. Finally, the
unit of magnetic flux in the metric system is the "tesla". Other
units include the "faraday" and the "henry", so you'll understand
this is an honor given to few. So we're not talking about an
unknown here, but rather a solid electrical engineer. Tesla
whipped through a number of inventions early in his life. He
found himself increasingly interested in resonance, and in
particular, electrical resonance. Tesla found out something
fascinating. If you set an electrical circuit to resonating, it
does strange things indeed. Take for instance his Tesla Coil.
This high frequency step-up transformer would kick out a few
hundred thousand volts at radio frequencies. The voltage would
come off the top of his coil as a "corona", or brush discharge.
The little ones put out a six-inch spark; the big ones throw
sparks many feet long. Yet Tesla could draw the sparks to his
fingers without being hurt -- the high frequency of the
electricity keeps it on the surface of the skin, and prevents the
current from doing any harm. Tesla got to thinking about
resonance on a large scale. He'd already pioneered the
electrical distribution system we use today, and that's not small
thinking; when you think of Tesla, think big. He thought, let's
say I send an electrical charge into the ground. What happens to
it? Well, the ground is an excellent conductor of electricity.
Let me spend a moment on this so you understand, because
topsoil doesn't seem very conductive to most. The ground
makes a wonderful sinkhole for electricity. This is why you
"ground" power tools; the third (round) pin in every AC outlet in
your house is wired straight to, literally, the ground.
Typically, the handle of your power tool is hooked to ground
this way, if something shorts out in the tool and the handle gets
electrified,the current ruches to the ground instead of into you.
The ground has long been used in this manner, as a conductor.
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Tesla generates a powerful pulse of electricity, and drains
it into the ground. Because the ground is conductive, it doesn't
stop. Rather, it spreads out like a radio wave, traveling at the
speed of light, 186,000 miles per second. And it keeps going,
because it's a powerful wave; it doesn't peter out after a few
miles. It passes through the iron core of the earth with little
trouble. After all, molten iron is very conductive. When the wave
reaches the far side of the planet, it bounces back, like a wave
in water bounces when it reaches an obstruction. Since it
bounces, it makes a return trip; eventually, it returns to the
point of origin. Now, this idea might seem wild. But it isn't
science fiction. We bounced radar beams off the moon in the
1950's, and we mapped Venus by radar in the 1970's. Those planets
are millions of miles away. The earth is a mere 3000 miles
in diameter; sending an electromagnetic wave through it is a
piece of cake. We can sense earthquakes all the way across the
planet by the vibrations they set up that travel all that
distance. So, while at first thought it seems amazing, it's
really pretty straight forward. But, as I said, it's a typical
example of how Tesla thought. And then he had one of his
typically Tesla ideas.
He thought, when the wave returns to me (about 1/30th of a
second after he sends it in), it's going to be considerably
weakened by the trip. Why doesn't he send in another charge at
this point, to strengthen the wave? The two will combine, go out,
and bounce again. And then he'll reinforce it again, and again.
The wave will build up in power. It's like pushing a swingset.
You give a series of small pushes each time the swing goes out.
And you build up a lot of power with a series of small pushes;
ever tried to stop a swing when it's going full tilt? He wanted
to find out the upper limit of resonance. And he was in for a
surprise.
THE HACK: THE TESLA COIL
So Tesla moved into Colorado Springs, where one of his generators
and electrical systems had been installed, and set up his lab.
Why Colorado Springs? Well, his lab in New York had burned down,
and he was depressed about that. And as fate would have it, a
friend in Colorado Springs who directed the power company,
Leonard Curtis, offered him free electricity. Who could resist
that? After setting up his lab, he tuned his gigantic Tesla coil
through that year, trying to get it to resonate perfectly with
the earth below. And the townspeople noticed those weird
effects; Tesla was electrifying the ground beneath their feet on
the return bounce of the wave. Eventually, he got it tuned,
keeping things at low power. But in the spirit of a true hacker,
just once he decided to run it wide open, just to see what would
happen. Just what was the upper limit of the wave he would build
up, bouncing back and forth in the planet below? He had his Coil
hooked to the ground below it, the 200 foot antenna above it, and
getting as much electricity as he wanted right off the city power
supply mains. Tesla went outside to watch (wearing three inch
rubber soles for insulation) and had his assistant, Kolman Czito,
turn the Coil on. There was a buzz from rows of oil capacitors,
and a roar from the spark gap as wrist-thick arcs jumped across
it. Inside the lab the noise was deafening. But Tesla was
outside, watching the antenna. Any surge that returned to the
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area would run up the antenna and jump off as lightning. Off the
top of the antenna shot a six foot lightning bolt. The bolt kept
going in a steady arc, though, unlike a single lightning flash.
And here Tesla watched carefully, for he wanted to see if the
power would build up, if his wave theory would work. Soon the
lightning was twenty feet long, then fifty. The surges were
growing more powerful. Eighty feet -- now thunder was following
each lightning bolt. A hundred feet, a hundred twenty feet; the
lightning shot upwards off the antenna. Thunder was heard
booming around Tesla now (it was heard 22 miles away, in the town
of Cripple Creek). The meadow Tesla was standing in was lit up
with an electrical discharge very much like St. Elmo's Fire,
casting a blue glow. His theory had worked! There didn't seem
to be an upper limit to the surges; he was creating the most
powerful electrical surges ever created by man. That moment he
set the record, which he still holds, for manmade lightning. Then
everything halted. The lightning discharges stopped, the thunder
quit. He ran in, found the power company had turned off his
power feed. He called them, shouted at them -- they were
interrupting his experiment! The foreman replied that Tesla had
just overloaded the generator and set it on fire, his lads were
busy putting out the fire in the windings, and it would be a cold
day in hell before Tesla got any more free power from the
Colorado Springs power company!
All the lights in Colorado Springs had gone out. And that,
readers, is to me the greatest hack in history. I've seen some
amazing hacks. The 8-bit Atari OS. The Mac OS. The phone
company computers -- well, lots of computers. But I've never
seen anyone set the world's lightning record and shut off the
power to an entire town, "just to see what would happen". For a
few moments, there in Colorado Springs, he achieved something
never before done. He had used the entire planet as a conductor,
and sent a pulse through it. In that one moment in the summer of
1899, he made electrical history. That's right, in 1899 -- darn
near a hundred years ago. Well, you may say to yourself, that's
a nice story, and I'm sure George Lucas could make a hell of a
move about it, special effects and all. But it's not relevant
today. Or isn't it? Hang on to your hat.
THE SDI AND THE TESLA COIL
Last month we talked about an amazing hack that Nikola Tesla
did -- bouncing an electrical wave through the planet, in 1899,
and setting the world's record for manmade lightning. This
month,let me lay a little political groundwork. Last October I
attended Hackercon 2.0, another gathering of computer hackers
from all over. It was an informal weekend at a camp in the hills
west of Santa Clara. One of the more interesting memories of
Hackers 2.0 were the numerous diatribes against the Strategic
Defense Initiative. Most speakers claimed it was impossible,
citing technical problems. So many people felt obligated to
complain about SDI that the conference was jokingly called
"SDIcon 2.0". Probably the high(?) point of the conference was
Jerry Pournelle and Timothy Leary up on stage debating SDI. I'll
leave the description to your imagination -- it was everything
you can think of and more. Personally, I was disturbed to see
how many gifted hackers adopting the attitude of "let's not even
try". That's not how micros got started. I mentioned to one
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Time magazine journalist that if anyone could make SDI go, it was
the hackers gathered there. I also believe that the greatest
hacker of them all, Nikola Tesla, solved the SDI technical
problem back in 1899. The event was so long ago, and so amazing,
that it's pretty much been forgotten; I described it last issue.
Let me present my case for the Tesla Coil and SDI.
SOVIET USE OF THE TESLA COIL
You will recall I said that Tesla was born in Yugoslavia
(although back then, it was "Serbo-Croatia"). He is not unknown
there; he is regarded as a national hero. Witness the Nikola
Tesla museum in Belgrade, for instance. There's been
interferences picked up, on this side of the planet, which is
causing problems in the ham radio bands. Direction finding
equipment has traced the interference in the SW band to two
sources in the Soviet Union, which are apparently two high
powered Tesla Coils. Why on earth are the Soviets playing with
Tesla Coils? There's one odd theory that they're subjecting
Canada to low level electrical interference to cause attitude
change. Sigh. Moving right along, there's another theory, more
credible, that they are conducting research in "over the horizon"
radar using Tesla's ideas. (The Soviets are certainly not saying
what they're doing.) When I read about this testing, it worried
me. I don't think they're playing with attitude control or
radar. I think they're doing exactly what Tesla did in Colorado
Springs.
COMPUTERS AND GROUNDING
Time for another discussion of grounding. Consider your
computer equipment. You've doubtlessly been warned about static
electricity, always been told to ground yourself (thus
discharging the static into the ground, an electrical sinkhole)
before touching your computer. Companies make anti-static spray
for your rugs. Static is in the 20,000 to 50,000 volt range.
Computer chips run on five to twelve volts. The internal
insulation is built for that much voltage. When they get a shot
of static in the multiple thousand volt range, the insulation is
punctured, and the chip ruined. Countless computers have been
damaged this way. Read any manual on inserting memory chips to a
PC, and you'll see warnings about static; it's a big problem.
Now Tesla was working in the millions of volts range. And his
special idea -- that the ground itself could be the conductor --
now comes into relevance, nearly a hundred years after his
dramatic demonstration in Colorado Springs. For, you see, in our
wisdom we've grounded our many computers, to protect them from
static. We've always assumed the ground is an electrical
sinkhole. So, with our three-pin plugs we ground everything --
the two flat pins in your wall go to electricity (hot and
neutral); the third, round pin, goes straight to ground. That
third pin is usually hooked with a thick wire to a cold water
pipe, which grounds it effectively. Tesla proved that you can
give that ground a terrific charge, millions of volts of high
frequency electricity. (Tesla ran his large coil at 33 Khz).
Remember, the lightning surging off his Coil was coming from the
wave bouncing back and forth in the planet below. In short, he
was modifying the ground's electrical potential, changing it from
an electrical sinkhole to an electrical source. Tesla did his
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experiment in 1899. There weren't any home computers with
delicate chips hooked up to grounds then. If there had been,
he'd have fried everything in Colorado Springs. There was,
however, one piece of electrical equipment grounded at the time
of the experiment, the city power generator. It caught fire and
ended Tesla's experiment. The cause of its failure is
interesting as well. It died from "high frequency kickback",
something most electrical engineers know about. Tesla forgot
that as the generator fed him power, he was feeding it high
frequency from his Coil. High frequency quickly heats
insulation; a microwave oven works on the same principle. In a
few minutes, the insulation inside that generator grew so hot
that the generator caught fire. When the lights went out all over
Colorado Springs, there was the first proof that Tesla's idea has
strategic possibilities. It gets scarier. Imagine Tesla's Coil,
busily pumping an electrical wave in the Earth. On his side of
the planet, he was getting 130 foot sparks, which is a hell of a
lot of voltage and current. And simple wave theory will show you
that those sort of potentials exist on the far side of the planet
as well. Remember, the wave was bouncing back and forth, being
reinforced on every trip. The big question is how focused the
opposite electrical pole will be. No one knows. But it seems
probable that the far side of the planet's ground target area
could be subjected to considerable electrical interference. And
if computer equipment is plugged inot that ground, faithfully
assuming the ground will never be a source of electricity, it's
just too bad for that equipment. This sort of electrical
interference makes static look tiny by comparison. It doesn't
take much difference in ground potential to kill a computer
connected across it. Lightning strikes cause a temporary flare
in ground voltage; I remember replacing driver chips on a network
on all computers that had been caught by one lightning strike,
when I lived in Austin. Imagine the effect on relatively delicate
electronics if someone fires up a Tesla Coil on the far side of
the planet, and subjects the grounds to steep electrical swings.
The military applications are pretty obvious -- those ICBM's in
North Dakota, for instance. It's possible they could be damaged
in their silos, and from thousands of miles away. Running two or
more Coils, you don't have to bee exactly on the far side of the
planet, either. Interference effects can give you high points
where you need with varied tunings. Maybe, just maybe, the
Soviets aren't doing "over the horizon" radar. Maybe they just
bothered to read Tesla's notes. And maybe they are tuning up a
real big surprise with their twin Coils.
"STAR WARS" AND THE TESLA COIL
You've heard of the Strategic Defense Initiative, or "Star
Wars". We're searching for a way to stop a nuclear attack.
Right now, we've got all sorts of high powered research projects,
with the emphasis on "new technology". Excimer laser, kinetic
kill techniques, and even more exotic ideas. As any of you know
that have written computer programs, it's darned hard to get
something "new" to work. Maybe it's an error to focus on "new"
exclusively. Wouldn't it be something if the solution to SDI
lies a hundred years ago, in the forgotten brilliance of Nikola
Tesla? For right now we can immobilize the electronics of
installations half a planet away. The technology to do it was
achieved in 1899, and promptly forgotten. Remember, we're not
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talking vague, unproven theories here. We're talking the world's
record for lightning, and the inventor whose power system lights
up your house at night.
THE TESLA COIL WORKS.
All we'd have to do is build it. You might not believe the
story about Tesla in Colorado Springs, and what he did. It's
pretty amazing. It has a way of being forgotten because of that.
And I'm not sure you want to hear about the SDI connection.
Still, as you work on a computer, remember Tesla. His Tesla Coil
supplies the high voltage for the picture tube you use. The
electricity for your computer comes from a Tesla design AC
generator, is sent through a Tesla transformer, and gets to your
house through 3-phase Tesla power. Tesla's inventions... they
have a way of working..
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From the November, 1958 FATE magazine.
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Townsend Brown and his Anti-Gravity Discs
by Gaston Burridge
Thomas Townsend Brown has been flying strange metal saucer-like
discs of his own secret design and make for more than 30 years -
some big ones too, up to 30 inches in diameter!
Mostly, Brown has flown his discs in good old common air. The discs
are tethered to a mast or pole and the thin, double-saucer-like
things fly a circle around and around the mast in free flight.
Only a slight hum is audible as they fly. In the dark they glow
with an eerie lavender light, revealing their motive power which is
a kind of electricity.
Many scientists and engineers have watched these discs fly. Under
their breath, and sometimes out loud, most of them have said the
force which makes Brown's discoids spin is one which every high-
school physics student knows about - "Electric Wind" - and not a new
principle Brown has discovered at all!
One engineer told me, "The whole thing is so screwball I don't want
to even talk about it!" Another said, "The device is only about
one-tenth of one percent efficient." Both these statements have
since been proved incorrect! Most other engineers object to the
lack of mathematical substantiation presented by Brown. To
engineers and scientists one equation is worth a thousand words!
But even an equation is of little use unless it has values assigned
to at least some of its main parts. When these were not
forthcoming, from a technical point of view, it appeared Brown was
walking on straw legs.
Then recently Brown went to France. Under what was virtually a
French Government sponsored program of research, Air-France
successfully flew some of the Brown discs in a HIGH VACUUM!
And that took all the "electric wind" out of the previously
dissenting sails1 These tests were of a highly secret nature and,
because of this, and, because they were made in a foreign nation,
their results REMAIN CLASSIFIED.
One by one, U.S. engineering and scientific heads are beginning to
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show above the storm cellars. It is now quietly admitted that
perhaps Brown may have something after all!
One thing he DOES have which he has not had before is a sponsor!
Perhaps that is the reason for the heads showing from the cellars.
There is nothing quite like having financial backing.
What do Brown's inventions mean? Another kind, type, or arrangement
of high-speed flight, both within our own atmosphere and in the
space beyond it!
How will it compare as a motive force with the rocket motors and the
jet engines of today? Of course, we cannot say yet but there is
nothing to indicate Brown's method will not compete most favorably
with them. Brown's method has definite "anti-gravitic potentials'
which their rockets or jets do not have. Because of present patent
situations many details of the Brown system must be by-passed here,
but it seems they represent no small item in the total picture of
space flight.
Since 1923 Brown and his family have spent nearly $250,000 of their
own funds on experiments and research into the mysteries of that
strangest of strange electrical phenomenon, the "Biefeld-Brown
Effect". Electrical literature contains few writings on this
subject, mostly because Brown has maintained a tight grip on the
information and has not seen fit to write on the matter
scientifically or otherwise. No one else has seemed inclined to
research the matter. What is more American scientific journals are
open to few ideas that DO NOT ORIGINATE with men CONNECTED WITH
LARGE UNIVERSITY or COMMERCIAL RESEARCH LABORATORIES!
I first heard of Townsend Brown and his Biefeld-Brown Effect from
Mr. Arlin C. Hauser. Hauser is a designer and builder of fine
technical instruments in Pasadena who doesn't hold an idea at arms-
length because it is "new". Hauser furnished me a copy of a
monograph titled, "A SIMPLIFIED EXPLANATION OF THE APPLICATION OF
THE BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT TO THE SOLUTION OF THE PROBLEMS OF SPACE
NAVIGATION". This monograph was published by Dr. Mason Rose,
president of the University for Social Research, Los Angeles, but
was actually written, I learned later, by Mr. Bradford Shank, a
nuclear scientist, formally of Los Alamos, now engaged in
engineering work for a Los Angeles aircraft valve manufacturer.
Some of the information set forth in this monograph rang a bell way
back in my memory.
Between 1919 and 1925 I was "errand boy" in a laboratory conducting
experiments with high potential, high frequency alternating
currents. We were playing with a million volts at 750,000 cycles
per second! A new type of electrical condenser had been built and
was to be tested. It was hooked into the circuit but was not
"bolted down" - it was heavy.
The director stood at the switchboard; the rest of us at a
respectful distance away. The switch was thrown. There was a hum,
a bursting flash of green and purple light, a loud bang, a violent
lurch and twist of the new condenser and that piece of apparatus lay
a smoking ruin! The director said, "Gentlemen, our baby has grown
up!"
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It is this movement manifest in an electrical condenser which is the
essence of the Biefeld-Brown Effect. This movement makes the Effect
highly interesting as an anti-gravitic force!
The Biefeld-Brown Effect says an electrical condenser, when charged,
will MOVE TORWARD its positive pole and remain so positioned UNTIL
DISCHARGED, if free to do so, regardless of WHICH POLE or WHICH SIDE
of the dielectric is made positive.
This movement does not disregard the time-honored "law" which
indicates every action carries within it an equal reaction. The
reaction, as in gravitation, is present BUT NOT OBVIOUS. The
reaction is a finite but vanishingly small movement of all the other
matter in the Universe. But the nearest masses are affected first
and most!
The Effect was first observed when the condenser plates were charged
with a DIRECT CURRENT. But the experience noted above, which was
observed subsequently during other experiments, indicates something
of the same phenomenon is present when condensers are charged with
ALTERNATING current also - but probably not as effectively or as
lastingly.
While these alternating current condenser MOVEMENTS were noted at
the time, especially when the condensers were initially charged
after a long and complete discharge, those directing the research
then believed the movements were due to resonances set up within the
apparatus by the 60-cycle feed currents. Thus, this phenomenon,
though noted, was never investigated by the group to which I was
attached.
This electrical condenser movement is believed to have been first
perceived and examined by Dr. Paul Alfred Biefeld, professor of
physics and astronomy, Denison University, Granville, Ohio, sometime
before 1923.
However, search of the Denison University's own published scientific
records does not indicate Dr. Biefeld wrote anything regarding this
discovery while there. Dr. Lawrence Biefeld, a son of Dr. Paul
Alfred Biefeld, writes me that he does not recall his father ever
having mentioned discovering such an effect! However, Mr. Bradford
Shank who has been intimately associated with several phases of the
Townsend Brown Foundation and its work for several years relates
that Dr. Biefeld did originate the initial research into the Effect
itself and also directed Townsend Brown, then a student at Denision
University, in Brown's early interest in the matter.
Although the Effect may have been recognized first by Dr. Biefeld, a
greater part of the development research and ALL the practical
application of it has been carried on by Brown - mostly at his own
expense, over a period of more than 30 years.
Apparently the Effect was named by someone else writing a report on
the subject. But had it not been for Townsend Brown's long interest
and research this Effect might remain unrecorded and unexploited
still!
Evidence indicates the entire Universe, from the greatest systems of
stars and their planets down to the smallest atom and its parts -
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hydrogen - operates on only three basic forces - electricity,
magnetism and gravitation. These three forces may be entirely
separate and different or they may be only different phases of the
same force, a Universal force we have not yet distinguished as such.
Regardless of this, we know the relationship between electricity and
magnetism and we know this relationship is brought about and
maintained by the very simple COIL OF WIRE!
It is quite possible, through the Biefeld-Brown Effect, we have come
upon the relationship between electricity and gravitation, a
relationship being brought about and maintained through the very
simple electrical condenser!
If each of these three forces is considered separately, we find
little of practical value in any of them! It is only through
combinations of two, and perhaps more, that we begin to use them.
Aside from the researches into the Biefeld-Brown Effect carried on
by Mr. Brown science has done practically nothing toward developing
the relationship between electricity and gravitation.
Most scientists today will admit a weak COUPLING EFFECT DOES EXIST
BETWEEN GRAVITATION AND ELECTRICITY but any practical use of this
coupling effect they deny!
Standing almost alone in this belief Mr. Brown has maintained his
position regarding the matter stubbornly, faithfully, and devotedly.
If a simple, two-plate electrical condenser (FIGURE 1) is suspended
by a cord in such a way as to allow it complete freedom to to move
in any direction, except downward of course, and this condenser is
charged with the proper amount and pressure of direct electric
current the instrument will swing TOWARD the side holding the
POSITIVE CHARGE.
If this same condenser is discharged, the positive and negative
wires switched and connected oppositely, when recharged the
condenser will swing in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
If the condenser is placed upon one side of a balanced beam (FIGURE
2) with enough weight opposite it to continue the balance and if the
positive pole is pointed up, when the condenser is charged the
weight on the opposite side of the beam will fall and the entire
condenser WILL RISE!
This shows that some of the "weight" of the condenser has been
relieved. If the positive pole now is reversed, when the condenser
is again charged the weight on the opposite end of the beam WILL BE
LIFTED! This illustrates gravitic affect.
This is the Biefeld-Brown Effect. As far is now known it is the
only method of affecting the gravitational field electrically!
However, apparently there are several other research programs now
under way attempting to establish an electro-gravitic relationship.
One of the mysteries of this Effect is that it APPEARS TO BE
AFFECTED BY TIME! Time does not do away with the Effect completely,
but it does appear to minimize it temporarily. This was noted first
by Brown during experiments located in a closed room.
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He watched his discs through a telescope from outside the room.
Brown observed that after a time the discs did not swing quite so
far as initially, in either direction, with the same electric
charge. I understood from Mr. Shank that this point was discussed
with Albert Einstein but what Mr. Einstein had to say remains
unknown to me.
The phenomenon might be accounted for by subtle atomic structural
breakdowns in the dielectric material, or in the plate material, or
both. After a time, following a complete discharge, these
breakdowns mend themselves.
The intensity with which the Biefeld-Brown Effect may act is
determined by five factors. Ultimate intensity cannot possibly be
obtained by a combined use of all five factors - each in their
separate ultimates! A compromise must be made. This is not as
grave a disadvantage as it might seem at first, for it will allow an
almost endless arrangement of factors in any given disc or ship.
The best combination of these then may be chosen and applied to a
wide variety of practical conditions which will surely arise in
everyday aeronautical or astronautical flight.
1) PROXIMITY OF PLATES
The first factor regulating the intensity of the Effect is
controlled by the closeness at which the condenser's plates can
be set. If the charging pressure - or voltage - is high then
the plates will have to be farther apart than for lower voltages
-using the same dielectric. If it is necessary to charge the
condenser quickly a higher voltage is needed than if more time
can be taken. Hence, the closer the condenser plates the
greated the Effect gained - other circumstances remaining the
same.
2) DIELECTRIC CONSTANT
The second factor is the ability of the material chosen as a
dielectric to store electrical energy. There are many kinds of
dielectrics: glass, mica, rubber, paper, bakelite, air,
ceramics, and many of the plastics. A dielectric is any
material which opposes the flow of an electric current and at
the same time is capable of storing the electrical energy as an
"elastic stress."
The action resembles the squeezing of a soft rubber ball. The
muscles in your hand represent the electric voltage. They
squeeze the ball's sides together. The sides remain squeezed
until your muscles release their pressure, then the sides jump
back into their original shape.
A dielectric will absorb an electric charge until its capacity
has been reached. Then it will either hold that charge as long
as the charging force is present, or it will rupture and the
pressure will leak away, or if the accumulated pressure becomes
greater than the charging pressure it will discharge itself back
into the charging circuit! This last can raise the devil!
Some dielectrics are capable of absorbing a great quantity of
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electrical energy if that energy is applied slowly at moderate
pressure, but they break down if called upon to act quickly.
Other dielectrics, like lead-free glass, can be charged and
discharged thousands of times a second at high pressures. The
measure of a dielectric's ability is called the "K" of the
material. The higher the K, the greater is the Biefeld-Brown
Effect.
3) INTENSITY
A third factor in creating intensity of the Effect is the AREA
of the dielectric's charging plates. The discs are used
edgewise, and the greater their area, the greater the Effect
obtained.
4) VOLTAGE
A fourth factor has to do with the VOLTAGE, or pressure used to
charge the condenser's plates. The higher the voltage, the
greater the Effect.
Also, the higher the voltage the shorter the time required to
charge a given condenser size. But the voltage must not be so
high as to puncture the dielectric, the condenser is
permanently, or temporarily ruined - depending upon its ability
to "heal" itself. Solid dielectrics cannot heal themselves.
Fluids heal themselves almost as soon as punctured. (the reason
for using OIL filled capacitors...Vangard)
5) MASS (SURFACE AREA)
The fifth and last factor is the MASS ofthe dielectric. The
greater the mass, the larger the Effect.
These points all are important. They make it clear that by a not
too complicated electrical arrangement which allows the changing of
many positive pole positions at will an astronautical vehicle could
be controlled.
Since a circle contains the greatest number of square units of
surface for a given dimension (a torus has even greater surface
area...Vangard), it seems obvious that a shallow, disc-shaped
vehicle could use this type of energy field to greatest advantage.
It would be charged differently than the models because it could
carry its own charging equipment on board.
The input energy of some models tested in California quite some time
ago (they do not represent present experimental attainments) was
about 50 watts, or the requirements of a small light bulb.
The weight of these units was about 1200 grams, or around 42 ounces,
or near two and 6/10 pounds. The efficiency of propulsion was 2%.
Unless scientific findings are discounted, we must assume the
voltage of atmospheric electricity rises as the distance from the
earth's surface increases.
At low altitudes we sometimes record an increase of 100 volts for
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EVERY THREE FEET IN ELEVATION. But this increase RISES WITH
ALTITUDE. It is believed that in that ionosphere a potential of 100
volts may occur within only four inches!
Even though a discoid-shaped vehicle could be relatively thin,
compared to its diameter, still it would be many times four inches
thick. Hence, it would be subjected to tremendous differentials of
external electric pressure over its extreme dimensions.
How will this affect the Biefeld-Brown Effect - or any electrically
propelled vehicle? Some say, not at all. Others see it as a
sizable barrier!
Anti-gravity devices apparently are being experimented with from a
number of directions. Once any one of them becomes practical a
whole new horizon will unfold before mankind.
At the present time (1958) some 19 patent applications, covering the
Biefeld-Brown Effect and its various applied forms, are being worked
on. A new laboratory is also being built. Will Mr. Brown be the
first Earthman to build and fly a FLYING SAUCER?
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The Law of Equilibrium includes Density. All things Rise or
Fall to their own Density. This density can consist of energy
in many forms, electric, magnetic, tachyon, etc.
Note the remark regarding the higher voltage potentials in the
upper atmosphere. Both the Brown disc and the Searle disc rely
on very high voltage potentials to provide lift. The question
is whether the electricity seeks its own upper atmosphere level
or does it cause some kind of stress in some other type of
energy to cause repulsion from the Earth surface or ATTRACTION
TO A LAYER EQUIVALENT TO ITS OWN.
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> 3. I firmly beleive UFOs/intelligent life exist, the evidence is
> overwhelming,
> I think the most documented phonomena in world history and the GOVT
> is cov
> ering up. My personal belief is that these creatures are demons/evil
> spirits/
> in some physical bodies, as it seems by other posts, others beleive
> this
> also. I am a Christian and have tried to weigh the evidence of what
> they
> MIGHT be, and that is the only logical conclusion I could come up
> with.
I would be very interested in hearing your arguments for this belief.
> 4. What are these 'new' findings of JFK being shot from his car?
That is highly unreliable information. There is a film circulating around
that allegedly shows the driver turn and fire a gun, however it is obvious
that the film is "doctored."
> 5. What is this about a coverup about MLK Jr?
I don't know. What have you heard?
> 6. Underground bases in the Colorados etc..
There are probably lots of underground bases. Would this be so unusual?
> 7. ANyone on here from Gulf Breeze and see UFO's all the time? I'd like
> some info on stuff.
>
> 8. Is there an ftp site with archives of old _arge_ postings of stuff,
> the
> ones like with 700 or so lines of stuff, I would be interested.
Our network has a large ftp site at uiowa.edu. It is anonymous too.
> 9. Arer there any UFO boards that I could subscribe to, any info would
> be
> helpful.
Contact me at mcorbin@scicom.alphacd.com for information on my network,
ParaNet. You can also be placed on our list server by sending your request to
infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com. Our digest is very interesting and seriously
covers this subject, including the abduction phenomenon.
Thanks,
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: A Way Out Of Here.
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> From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
> Date: 16 Jul 91 17:33:13 GMT
> Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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> Last week a person by the name of Oscar the Grouch made the
> statement something like this; what is the use anyway we're
> never going to make it out of here anyway. To this statement
> I'd like to submit the following opinion; it the past I've
> mentioned a person by the name of Elling Bentsen from Oslo,
> Norway who is a UFO book writer. What I didn't mention is that
> he claims to be in contact with the peoploe from Proximina Centauri
> which is 25 trillion miles away. The people from there say they
> have found us to have problems of over population and polution.
> They say they have a planet called PC22 that is a lot like our
> Earth was l50 years ago. They say by l994 they will bring their
> space ships and anyone can go that so desires. I'll leave you
> with this saying; the only way we're going to get out of here
> alive is get on the ball.
What really amazes me about all of this alleged "space brothers" stuff is that
we continue hearing the same thing, and have done so for the last forty years.
Why don't the "brothers" provide solutions instead of empty promises of
teleportation off of this rock? It would be better to fix the problems here
than to go somewhere else and have them all over again. Agree? Or, better,
would it not be in their best interest to teach us a better way? No. I don't
think that they have much on the ball either.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Alien Hand?
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> From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
> Date: 17 Jul 91 03:21:10 GMT
> Organization: The Search For TERRESTRIAL Intelligence
> Message-ID: <jms.5195@vanth.UUCP>
> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
> Kim Mikules has an offer he thinks you can't refuse. AI-TRAD, the
> organization he works for, will give $500,000 to anyone who can
> produce
> evidence of E.T.'s.
I can offer some advice following a brief investigation of this group: LET
THE BUYER BEWARE!
Don Ecker has further information on them, if you would care to access him via
ParaNet's ASK UFO Magazine conference on the network, or via infopara.
Mike
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
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Date: 18 Jul 91 04:04:26 GMT
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In article <1991Jul15.121750.1091@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
The Roswell incident has been attributed to lightning, and others in the
area to radar. It's conceivable, though I don't know how probable, that
the alleged aliens don't have either of these things back home.
Nobody knows what caused the alleged Kecksburg PA crash, or the dubious one
in Ontario. The other extremely dubious one in South Africa was a
shoot-down with some type of particle beam weapon.
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From: bradleyt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Todd Bradley)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.paranormal,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: FILE: WPAT.TXT - UFO's at Wright Patterson?
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In article <1991Jul17.182412.29452@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mas35638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Stangel) writes:
>Why do you suppose the military never responds to these posts? I have
>no doubt that someone in the Air Force is reading these things. I am
>also aware that whoever is reading them probably does not have the
>authority to make a statement regarding AF policy, but were this any
>other media I guarantee you'd hear from a spokesperson.
>
>
Give me a break. What do you expect them to say?
If they do have alien bodies or vehicles, the information
is surely so classified that nobody has the authority to
release it.
If they don't have alien bodies or vehicles, what is there
to announce?
Todd.
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From: revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: A way out of here.
Message-ID: <HwZa64w164w@cellar.UUCP>
Date: 18 Jul 91 23:17:52 GMT
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ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
> In article <91197.093313JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU says:
> >They say they have a planet called PC22 that is a lot like our
> >Earth was l50 years ago. They say by l994 they will bring their
> >space ships and anyone can go that so desires. I'll leave you
>
> 'Don't go....To Serve Man....it's a cookbook!!'
>
> (thanks Harlan)
Harlan? Nahh, not Harlan. The original story was Damon Knight's.
Rev. P-K-- "However, 'The Terminator' was more than a shade 'influenced' by
the segments Ellison wrote for 'The Outer Limits.'"
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From: mas35638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Stangel)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.paranormal,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: FILE: WPAT.TXT - UFO's at Wright Patterson?
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Date: 19 Jul 91 03:24:58 GMT
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Todd missed my point. If the Chicago Tribune reported that the USAF
was keeping alien bodies/ships at Wright Pat, you'd hear a denial
within hours. They apparently don't take the net as a valid method
of communication, despite the fact that its readership is huge...
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
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Date: 18 Jul 91 03:57:38 GMT
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It's a possibility, and one I hadn't thought of. Thanks!
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
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In article <1991Jul15.121750.1091@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
The Roswell incident has been attributed to lightning, and others in the
area to radar. It's conceivable, though I don't know how probable, that
the alleged aliens don't have either of these things back home.
Nobody knows what caused the alleged Kecksburg PA crash, or the dubious one
in Ontario. The other extremely dubious one in South Africa was a
shoot-down with some type of particle beam weapon.
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From: ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Incompetant Aliens
Message-ID: <1991Jul18.110225.1147@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
Date: 18 Jul 91 10:02:25 GMT
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In article <8408@spdcc.SPDCC.COM>, rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) writes:
> ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
>
> Well, see their ships are ozone powered... :-)
>
> What's even stranger is that they continually pick up
> and mutilate cattle... What sort of info do they gain from their
> 7,893rd cow?
>
Personally I think they've read too many Gary Larson cartoons and are
desperately trying to work out which species to ally themselves with.
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From: kizn@dorsai.com (Daniel Delvalle)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Keywords: ufo encounter
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mru@unislc.uucp (Mara Ulis) writes:
> In article <625@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600hubb@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Richard Hubbell) wri
> >Did anyone see a show that had a piece on a ufo encounter in Texas?
> >I saw part of it tonite (7-10-91) I missed a portion of it when
> >signal went out from channel 6. A woman, her mother, and a child
> >were driving when they saw some kind of craft. They stopped and the
> >woman got out of the car to look at the ufo. The encounter lasted about
> >ten minutes. The ufo was hovering the whole time. The ufo left and
> >the woman got into the car as they were leaving a squadron of
> >helicopters approached (the older woman counted 23 helicopters) she
> >described them as the type with to rotors. Approx. 6 hours later they
> >all became ill. The mother had the worst symptoms, followed by the
> >child and then the older woman. According to the physician treating her
> >she suffered from radiation exposure. Her skin was burned and she
> >eventually lost her hair. A ufo researcher went to the site where
> >this occurred and verified a dark patch of the asphalt that had been
> >scarred by intense heat. I think his name was Schlouser(sp.) he also
> >was told later that some trucks had gone to the site and removed all
> >traces of the burnt asphalt and replaced it with new.
> > At first the Air Force acknowledged that something did
> >occur but then they went back on there original claim and denied that
> >anything happened. I'd like to hear more about this incident if
> >anyone can add more info. It happened 10 years ago in late 1980
> >in Texas(Dayton?). All three are still alive but the woman has been
> >diagnosed with cancer and the older woman and child still also
> >suffer from strange illnesses.
> >
> >RH
> >
> >--
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >" University of California Santa Barbara Richard Hubbell "
> >"6600hubb@ -> Inet:ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu;Bitnet:ucsbuxa.bitnet;UUCP:ucsbuxa "
> >_______________________________________________________________________
>
> You are referring to the Andreasson Affair. The MUFON investigator
> was John Schussler(sp). There are some books out about this case.
> Also, you might contact MUFON for more information. Their address is
> Walt Andrus, Director 103 Oldtowne Road Seguin, Texas 78155.
> Hope this helps.
>
> Mara Ulis
>
Sorry Mara, But the Andreasson Affair was a CE3 type case that ha@ppened ,
I believe, in the late 70's...Betty Andreasson reported being abducted by
three aliens, while preparing supper for her family at home.
The case Richard reffers to is a CE2 type case that happened in the early
80's.
Betty Cash and two others reported seeing a UFO and about 20 Tandem rotor
Helicopters hovering above a Highway in Dayton Texas.
I recall that after having gotten very little help from the goverment, Ms.
Cash brought a lawsuit against the military to try and find out what type of
radiation she was exposed to.
as far as I know... She might still be dragging it through the courts.
Kizn.
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.paranormal,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: FILE: WPAT.TXT - UFO's at Wright Patterson?
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In article <1991Jul17.182412.29452@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mas35638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Stangel) writes:
>Why do you suppose the military never responds to these posts? I have
>no doubt that someone in the Air Force is reading these things. I am
>also aware that whoever is reading them probably does not have the
>authority to make a statement regarding AF policy, but were this any
>other media I guarantee you'd hear from a spokesperson.
>
>
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>| dress really interestingly." | m-stangel@uiuc.edu |
>| | koosh forever! |
>`~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'
Mike,
I have no doubts that these postings are read by various branches of
the military, as they wend their way through ARPANET and are printed
out. What "secrets" have I un-leashed upon the public that isn't already
widely speculated,talked about and known about on the vaious UFO echoes
of the BBS world? What texts have been published here that the military
doesn't already know about?
Actually, I have a great respect for the military..perhaps they have had
to sit upon a considerable amount of info, that if it all came out in
a great "revelation" could dramatically alter our "way of life" as
regards to religion,commerce,etc.
Methinks (IMHO) that in the beginning of the cover-up, that there was
possibly some noble motives..like the Govt looking at the panic that
Orson Welles created in his Mercury Players presentation of "War of
the Worlds"..so-called "respectable and common sense" people FREAKED
when they thought we were being "invaded" by Martians.
I think that was the motive _in the beginning_...however there is much
literature that has come out within the last 20 years to suggest that
perhaps the military has made "agreements" with the WRONG "aliens"..
Now, I really *don't* expect to see any individual members of the military
come out _up front_ here in a PUBLIC newsgroup and say something either
one way or another. The Govt has more covert methods of dis-information,
which they take advantage of under different "disguises"...
See if you can spot the "agents of dis-info" in this newsgroup..they are
the ones telling you in snide comments that there are NO such thing as
"flying saucers" or an "alien invasion"...the overwhelming evidence,
in my opinion speaks to the contrary.
Just as an aside..here's a little exercise for you...look to see how many
commercials are using UFO's in their spots...
"V" might have more truth in it than you know :-)
Don
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From: revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Incompetant Aliens
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ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> In article <8408@spdcc.SPDCC.COM>, rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) writes:
> > ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> >>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in o
> >>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills cours
> >>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
> >
> > Well, see their ships are ozone powered... :-)
> >
> > What's even stranger is that they continually pick up
> > and mutilate cattle... What sort of info do they gain from their
> > 7,893rd cow?
> >
> Personally I think they've read too many Gary Larson cartoons and are
> desperately trying to work out which species to ally themselves with.
>
>
> Jan
I sort of figured they were just trying to fuck with our heads.
Rev. P-K-- "Say, Zandor! Whaddya say we get a cow, drain it of all the blood,
take a slice out of its insides, and leave it where someone's BOUND to find
it?"
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Subject: Re: t'would make an unusual trophy...
Message-ID: <91200.212108UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Date: 20 Jul 91 01:21:08 GMT
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In article <9408@awdprime.UUCP>, craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
says:
>
>Just out of curiousity, are there any reports/stories of people ever
>
>a) shooting (or attempting to shoot) a UFO? (ie, with a rifle, handgun, etc).
>b) shooting (or attempting to shoot) an extraterrestrial?
>
>If so, I'd be interested in hearing about such incidents (and any
>reported consequences).
>
>Thanks!
I seem to remember reading once about a family (in Texas?) who
saw a UFO land in their back yard. When the aliens tried to
come towards the house, the owners shot at them, hitting some.
Apparently, the aliens were wearing some sort of protective
suit that seemed to make the bullets ricochet off. The family
managed to keep the aliens at bay for over 3 hours. When the
sheriff arrived later, he said he wasn't sure what had happened
but that since these were normal and sane people, and he knew
them well, there must have been something out there that they
shot at. He found over 300 empty shells of various calibers
ranging from .22's up to 30-30's. The sheriff said these people
were not the kind to try to attract attention to themselves
so he didn't think it was a hoax. I'll try to find the article
again and if I find it, I'll post it here.
George Newell
umasp@maine.maine.edu
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From: cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: My Enounters, Opinions
Message-ID: <cee1.679976321@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Date: 20 Jul 91 02:18:41 GMT
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Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
[..my old header deleted...]
> > 3. I firmly beleive UFOs/intelligent life exist, the evidence is
> > overwhelming,
> > I think the most documented phonomena in world history and the GOVT
> > is cov
> > ering up. My personal belief is that these creatures are demons/evil
> > spirits/
> > in some physical bodies, as it seems by other posts, others beleive
> > this
> > also. I am a Christian and have tried to weigh the evidence of what
> > they
> > MIGHT be, and that is the only logical conclusion I could come up
> > with.
>I would be very interested in hearing your arguments for this belief.
Well after, ya know, 1000 people saw this one, 100 saw this one,
non-proven-hoaxed UFO photos, Retired military confessions of
gov't coverup, dozens and dozens of TOP SECRET memos etc, on and
on and on. You could say well its a hoax, or alllll these people are
wacko. Why demons.. well , as I believe, God created all there is and
was. So we ask, did God create folks on other planets or what.
When talked to these creatures they knew of 'religious things' and what
the Bible is, etc , and they are up to no good 'helping us' get Peace
blah blah blah while abducting, implanting things in people's heads,
taking samples, skinning cows, draining ponds, lakes and resivoirs,
eating our electricity on and on and on. They certainly arent angels.
[mind has gone blank on other stuff, argh..] its just my conclusion
that they are demons in 'human' form. I'll try to get the rest later.
> > 4. What are these 'new' findings of JFK being shot from his car?
>That is highly unreliable information. There is a film circulating around
>that allegedly shows the driver turn and fire a gun, however it is obvious
I read it out of a previous UFO report on here on one guy's speech.
Who used to be in the military and said it was all planned from the
inside becasue , supposadly, JFK was going to put an end to nuclear
aircraft and, supposadly tell the public that aliens were real or
something like that, so they had him killed, either from a gun in
the back of the driver's seat or the 'man' in the bushes. It is said
the gun that shot whats-his-name ARGGGHHH Oswald? Lee Harvey whatever
was a blank and he was the 'scapegoat' you have probly heard that
[from old secret service, FBI, etc] that JFKs body was not the
one everyone saw.. getting off the plane etcc.. his was taken off the
other side, and ya know his brain was taken out because [new stuff
I have heard recently] he was shot with a bullet tainted with some
poison fish toxin .. which killed him. Its obvious from the film he was
shot, at least in the front of the head. Maybe others can add to this
HINT HINT HINT..
B
B
>that the film is "doctored."
> > 5. What is this about a coverup about MLK Jr?
>I don't know. What have you heard?
I don't know either, something was said in a previous post..
> > 6. Underground bases in the Colorados etc..
>There are probably lots of underground bases. Would this be so unusual?
Well people have seen VERY weird craft flying in and out of it.
like those 24 copters chasing after something welse [probably
'experiemtal' UFO aircraft. But thats another story.
> > 7. ANyone on here from Gulf Breeze and see UFO's all the time? I'd like
> > some info on stuff.
> >
> > 8. Is there an ftp site with archives of old _arge_ postings of stuff,
> > the
> > ones like with 700 or so lines of stuff, I would be interested.
>Our network has a large ftp site at uiowa.edu. It is anonymous too.
Thanks
> > 9. Arer there any UFO boards that I could subscribe to, any info would
> > be
> > helpful.
>Contact me at mcorbin@scicom.alphacd.com for information on my network,
>ParaNet. You can also be placed on our list server by sending your request to
>infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com. Our digest is very interesting and seriously
>covers this subject, including the abduction phenomenon.
>Thanks,
>Mike
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From: craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: t'would make an unusual trophy...
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Date: 19 Jul 91 16:58:48 GMT
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Just out of curiousity, are there any reports/stories of people ever
a) shooting (or attempting to shoot) a UFO? (ie, with a rifle, handgun, etc).
b) shooting (or attempting to shoot) an extraterrestrial?
If so, I'd be interested in hearing about such incidents (and any
reported consequences).
Thanks!
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
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Date: 19 Jul 91 19:10:41 GMT
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jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>In article <1991Jul15.121750.1091@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
>The Roswell incident has been attributed to lightning, and others in the
>area to radar. It's conceivable, though I don't know how probable, that
>the alleged aliens don't have either of these things back home.
Why does Roswell have to have been an accident? It could have been an
intentional crash to see how we'd react to such a thing. After all,
you'd think whoever *owned* the ship would come looking for it and
survivors if they were really concerned.
Please note: the US government didn't have an interest in the thing
until some time AFTER the crash, like four to six days. If it was a
top-secret fighter plane, etc. like some people claim, they wouldn't let
the thing out of their sight for a minute.
> Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again."
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Mostly H20 and whatever pizza and Diet Pepsi digest into
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Paul Bennewitz [was Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup]
Message-ID: <jms.5297@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 21 Jul 91 03:36:44 GMT
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In article <1991Jul17.054018.7055@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
>
>This most likely came of the Fido UFO echo not to long ago..'course
>if you be *the* Bill Moore..then you would know something about the following:
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Date: 06-18-91 19:55
>From: Ken Willoughby
>
> I got a long letter from Paul Bennewitz in which he wanted
> me to put this onto bbd. I am copying verbatim what he says:
> --1) The Archeleta Base was raided by a Delta Force, and of the
> The Aliens within were killed outright. I can not vouch for
> some of this although I have absolute proof that it was. It is
How can you have absolute proof for something and not be able to vouch for
it?
> destroyed. The whole area was closed and all people were bared
> from the mountain; it is now administrated by the Drug Admin-
> istration (U.S.), so it is finished. The air strip was plowed
> and barricaded.
Has anyone actually confirmed this, i.e., checked that the DEA has seized
any land in the area?
> --2) About 80 escaped taking their ships with them; some were
> out on patrol and thus they got away. 40 some odd established
> thenselves in caves at Bear Mountain, in New Mexico. The rest
> went to what is called, THE DOME, and are still at large.
What is "The Dome"? I've read Bennewitz's "Project Beta" report, but I
don't remember anything about bases other than Archuleta.
> --3) I have contacted the Secretary of Defense, and a Senator;
> also General Jaco and the new Administrator at Kirtland. Some
> is attached to give the Coordinates which are fairly accurate.
What was their reaction to such bizarre news?
What was all this about? I had been told earlier this year that Bennewitz
didn't want anything to do with UFOlogy anymore. Sounds like he's been
keeping up on it and just not talking to anyone.
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From: oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu (Doc O'Leary)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Do we shoot at UFO's
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Date: 21 Jul 91 03:39:59 GMT
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In article <91201.161829JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>I'll leave you with this saying; Their are none so blind as those
>who will not see.
Actually, I've always thought it was: "There are none so blind as those who
do not think." Seems to be more appropriate for this newsgroup, too . . .
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: FILE: ALIEN-TYPES.TXT
Message-ID: <jms.5301@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 21 Jul 91 03:53:41 GMT
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In article <1991Jul17.063943.7827@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
> MUFONET-BBS network - Mutual UFO Network
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ALIEN DESCRIPTIONS - VARIETIES
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>[Note: This is a message from a participant of the CONTACT Echo, discussing
>the types of aliens and their descriptions.]
>
>Date: 01-01-91 14:04
>From: Sandy Barbre
>Subj: DESCRIPTIONS: ALIEN
>
>Below please find a copy of a variety of alien beings descriptions put on the
>UFO echo by David House.... I thought you might find some of this interesting
>and I know that a few of you don't get the UFO echo or just don't read it.
>Okay...here goes...
>
>GREY TYPE A: This is the type most commonly referred to as the greys. Also
>known as Zeta Reticuli from the Zeta Reticulan star system (the Bernard star)
>neighboring the Orion area. They function in a mode that is apparently
The constellation Reticulum doesn't neighbor the constellation Orion.
They're not *really* far away from each other, but they're not adjoining
either. And Barnard's Star isn't Zeta Reticuli. (I think in the versions
I've heard, one race of aliens is from Zeta Ret and the other is from
Barnard's Star. I can't remember if both are greys or the Barnard's Star
race is something else.)
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From: ED.HOPPER@ehbbs.hou.tx.us (ED HOPPER)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: WHAT ABOUT THE LAST 44 YE
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In reply to DAN COGSWELL:
In Article dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
-> Please note: the US government didn't have an interest in the thing until
-> some time AFTER the crash, like four to six days. If it was a top-secret
-> fighter plane, etc. like some people claim, they wouldn't let the thing out
-> of their sight for a minute.
Quite a valid point. Do you remember the incident, a few years ago, when an
F-117A "Stealth" fighter crashed outside of Nellis AFB in Nevada? The fact
that a crash occured was reported promptly. (They wouldn't of course, confirm
the type of aircraft) The Air Force secured the crash site as soon as they
found it. There were armed guards to keep the curious out.
Had the Roswell crash been a secret US plane of the era, there would have been
similar activity.
PMS = Possessed Monthly by Satan
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From: mru@unislc.uucp (Mara Ulis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Keywords: ufo encounter
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Date: 22 Jul 91 15:19:54 GMT
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In article <eZV051w163w@dorsai.com> kizn@dorsai.com (Daniel Delvalle) writes:
>mru@unislc.uucp (Mara Ulis) writes:
>
>> In article <625@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600hubb@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Richard Hubbell) wri
>> >Did anyone see a show that had a piece on a ufo encounter in Texas?
>> >I saw part of it tonite (7-10-91) I missed a portion of it when
>> >signal went out from channel 6. A woman, her mother, and a child
>> >were driving when they saw some kind of craft. They stopped and the
>> >woman got out of the car to look at the ufo. The encounter lasted about
>> >ten minutes. The ufo was hovering the whole time. The ufo left and
>> >the woman got into the car as they were leaving a squadron of
>> >helicopters approached (the older woman counted 23 helicopters) she
>> >described them as the type with to rotors. Approx. 6 hours later they
>> >all became ill. The mother had the worst symptoms, followed by the
>> >child and then the older woman. According to the physician treating her
>> >she suffered from radiation exposure. Her skin was burned and she
>> >eventually lost her hair. A ufo researcher went to the site where
>> >this occurred and verified a dark patch of the asphalt that had been
>> >scarred by intense heat. I think his name was Schlouser(sp.) he also
>> >was told later that some trucks had gone to the site and removed all
>> >traces of the burnt asphalt and replaced it with new.
>> > At first the Air Force acknowledged that something did
>> >occur but then they went back on there original claim and denied that
>> >anything happened. I'd like to hear more about this incident if
>> >anyone can add more info. It happened 10 years ago in late 1980
>> >in Texas(Dayton?). All three are still alive but the woman has been
>> >diagnosed with cancer and the older woman and child still also
>> >suffer from strange illnesses.
>> >
>> >RH
>> >
>> >--
>> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >" University of California Santa Barbara Richard Hubbell "
>> >"6600hubb@ -> Inet:ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu;Bitnet:ucsbuxa.bitnet;UUCP:ucsbuxa "
>> >_______________________________________________________________________
>>
>> You are referring to the Andreasson Affair. The MUFON investigator
>> was John Schussler(sp). There are some books out about this case.
>> Also, you might contact MUFON for more information. Their address is
>> Walt Andrus, Director 103 Oldtowne Road Seguin, Texas 78155.
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Mara Ulis
>>
>
>
> Sorry Mara, But the Andreasson Affair was a CE3 type case that ha@ppened ,
>I believe, in the late 70's...Betty Andreasson reported being abducted by
>three aliens, while preparing supper for her family at home.
>
> The case Richard reffers to is a CE2 type case that happened in the early
>80's.
> Betty Cash and two others reported seeing a UFO and about 20 Tandem rotor
>Helicopters hovering above a Highway in Dayton Texas.
> I recall that after having gotten very little help from the goverment, Ms.
>Cash brought a lawsuit against the military to try and find out what type of
>radiation she was exposed to.
> as far as I know... She might still be dragging it through the courts.
>
>
> Kizn.
You are absolutely correct. I realized my mistake after posting. Apologies
to all for my mistake.
Mara Ulis
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From: warren@worlds.UUCP (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: UFOs
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In article <14384@goofy.Apple.COM> showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) writes:
>
>THE PLElADlANS channeled lecture by Barbara J. Marciniak
What sort of advanced civilization are these dudes if they have to
get someone else to post to the net for them? If they can't afford
a Telebit ChannelerBlazer, the hell with them.
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
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In article <8160@vela.acs.oakland.edu> dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
>
>Why does Roswell have to have been an accident? It could have been an
>intentional crash to see how we'd react to such a thing. After all,
>you'd think whoever *owned* the ship would come looking for it and
>survivors if they were really concerned.
I never thought about that. If the aliens have no apparent emotion as some
people claim, maybe they wouldn't care about the death of the ship's crew.
(Some people even say they're cloned rather than bred, if I remember
rightly.) But you'd think they'd want to keep the ship away from us.
(Unless they knew we were too primitive to understand any of it.)
>Please note: the US government didn't have an interest in the thing
>until some time AFTER the crash, like four to six days. If it was a
>top-secret fighter plane, etc. like some people claim, they wouldn't let
>the thing out of their sight for a minute.
I never heard the top-secret plane explanation applied to Roswell. It's
usually a balloon-borne radar test target or a Japanese balloon bomb.
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From: trey@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Trey Wedge)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Project Majestic Question
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Date: 2 Aug 91 17:28:11 GMT
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Has anyone seen the MJ-12 or Project Majestic text from Cooper here,
or somewhere? A better question is... has anyone saved it?
A friend who is not on the net wants a copy of something that
I had seen on the net in alt.conspiracy about a year ago, about
the Project Majestic and links to the FBI CIA etc.
Anyone have any info? Please reply by E-mail if possible.
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: gravity waves
Message-ID: <1991Aug03.202917.9887@ariel.unm.edu>
Date: 3 Aug 91 20:29:17 GMT
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In article <jms.5533@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>In article <1991Jul30.181423.6444@ariel.unm.edu> cn0gr8af@hydra.unm.edu (Student Class Account) writes:
>>
>>In review, let me say that gravity waves have been postulated to exist, but
>>have never been observed. (A recent LandSat Photo of the Kuwait Oil fires
>>is claimed to contain ripples showing gravity waves, but they do not fit any
>>picture of gravity waves as proposed so far). In any case, the waves may
>
>Where did you hear this? It should've made news, but I never heard it.
See the most recent National Geographic, the issue featuring a story about
Kuwait. I believe I saw it in there. Also, it was on CNN about a week ago.
Cheers,
Rusty
Don't believe in something just because someone says it is so; use your head.
Ask for concrete proof. Only then will the true story behind UFO's (if they
exist as beings from another planet) be revealed, just as the Burmuda Triangle
was shown to be a hoax. Until then, these stories of "Greys", government
coverup, etc. will remain pure speculation, relegated to the world of fantasy.
Don't be Duped!
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Subject: Re: UFO Computer Network
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> In article <414@vaccine.UUCP> warren@worlds.UUCP (Warren Burstein) writes:
>>In article <14384@goofy.Apple.COM> showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) writes:
>>>
>>>THE PLElADlANS channeled lecture by Barbara J. Marciniak
>>
>>What sort of advanced civilization are these dudes if they have to
>>get someone else to post to the net for them? If they can't afford
>>a Telebit ChannelerBlazer, the hell with them.
Well, if my own experience is any indication, the reliability of network
connections decreases with any increase in distance between two points.
Our own network here in Hawai`i is down about six percent of the time,
and sometimes I have to get others to post for me. Now we're only
about 5,000 miles away; how many _light years_ away are the Pleiadies?
By my figuring, their network connection with us (allowing a factor
five compensation to account for their "advanced" technology) will only
be out of commission 20,000% of the time (give or take a few thousand
percent).
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From: michael@hana.cs.ucla.edu (michael gersten)
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Subject: Re: A Solar Tour part#4
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I think you guys who are jumping on this person are missing the
point. This isn't "Our solar system in 1991"; this is more like
"Our solar system in 2100", or sometime like that.
In any event, I'm enjoying these. Especially the words of wisdom.
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From: mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
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ctdonath@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl T. Donath) writes:
From time to time there were comments from aliens/spirits that
significant things would be happening soon; ... Has anyone
collected these "significant dates" so we can see how often
they are professed?
... a good question; but the search list for this will be very long.
UFO books and articles dating back at least to the 1950's include
references to "the truth" coming out "sometime soon". Sometimes this
comes from 'aliens', and sometimes from (often unnamed) "government
sources". (These sources include alleged CIA contacts, and even
President Carter, among others.)
As a side comment, folks who *don't* want things known will tell
'outsiders' that the truth will come out soon -- if the truth is
about to come out anyway, investigators will stop investigating,
giving cover operations time to plug leaks, you see.
Charles
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Keelynet File - The Kromery Converter/free Electricity
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> From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
> Date: 23 Jul 91 09:07:56 GMT
> Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
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> =}If any Don's articles about machines or new concepts REALLY work,
> =}it's worth having them talked about, debunked, or explained in
> =}the cold light of public discussion.
>
> Since they have been debunked time and time again then throwing them
> out for discussion is merely spreading misinformation. If Mr. Allen
> really stayed up until 2am doing his homework instead of reading SF
> novels then he would know such things...
Unfortunately for you, Mr. Allen does do a fair share of homework. From what
I have seen, he has posted materials to this net without attaching any of his
personal feelings about them. I recall that he states that they are for
information only. It is up to YOU what you do with it, excluding the childish
flaming that has been going on here. Spreading "misinformation" implies that
the person doing the spreading has knowledge of his/her activities, at least
to a certain degree. This does not qualify Mr. Allen.
> =}If some phenomena is discovered out of these activites all of the
> =}dead ends the whole process becomes worthwhile. Don't let the
> =}naysayers dismiss a person's scientific discipline without asking
> =}for contrary research or proof.
>
> Before speaking out on science, one should learn what it is. Science
> is not the offering of opinions with disproofs being sought to knock
> them down. That is what religion is. Science deals with offering proofs
> to
> support a hypothesis in a framework. Without such proofs, the hypothesis
> is meaningless. Since the UFO stuff being posted is opinions (which have
> in most cases been refuted already), then it falls in the religion
> category and is not science...
May I suggest that you practice what you espouse? Here is a challenge to you.
It is not hard. And, of course, with someone of your high intelligence, you
should be able to qualify your statement above. Please cite references for
your remark about "the UFO stuff being posted is opinions (which have in most
cases been refuted already), then it falls in the religion category and is not
science." I would love to see your argument that the material posted about
the investigation of the Roswell crash is mere opinion stated by the authors.
I would also like to see your argument for why you feel that the study of
aerial anomalies falls into a religious category instead of science. In order
for you to do this, you will have to produce irrefutable evidence to me that
completely defies the physical evidence collected at landing sites, the
physical effects that have been measured, both environmentally and upon
witnesses and the many reports by scientists who have observed this
phenomenon. This, I predict, will not be an easy task for even someone of
your stature. Finally, please define your viewpoint on how the study of UFOs
falls into a religious category.
> =}To dismiss these discussions without a complete analysis of the
> =}what is in question leaves us no better than those who condemned
> =}scientists with dogma thoughout the ages.
>
> But to repeat past discussions which already completely analysized
> and refuted the questions offered up is part of the structure which
> creates the dogma which interferes with science and people's
> understanding of it...
Again, please cite your references where this issue has been settled to
everyone's satisfaction.
> =}If something is scientifically incorrect, fine post the reasons,
> =}if you can't scientifically debunk what's being discussed save
> =}your comments for your own amusement.
>
> If something is scientifically incorrect and has been expounded upon
> in volume after volume of real scientific work then there is no need
> for us to waste our time repeating such things to those who should
> read it for themselves and those who shouldn't be spreading
> misinformation...
Each of your statements are examples of your ignorance or deliberate attempts
to spread "misinformation."
> =}I don't believe I've seen Don editorialize on any of the files he
> =}cross posts and I've been amused by and enjoyed finding such a
> =}concentration of of information from his sources *--Thanks Don--*
>
> Misinformation in many cases...
Again, cite references. I just knew it. Your stating opinions again! :-)
> =}Now we can move on to discuss the problems and reasons that pepetual
> =}motion can't work and talk about the actual physics that's taking
> =}place when it's claimed that it does, rail about the phychic
> =}antigravity coils, pseudo science misinterpretations of the
> =}physical universe, and debunk some UFO sightings --
>
> Well since all of these things have been done repeatedly then I'll
> leave the fun of repeating them again up to you.
NO! I insist that you indulge us.
> =}The quality and content of Don's postings can and should be talked
> =}about but don't shoot the messenger or judge his intentions.
>
> The content of the posts can be talked about, but in most cases
> shouldn't have been mentioned (wouldn't have been if the poster knew
> anything about them). And since such misinformation is continually
> being posted then I think that it is perfectly fair to bring up
> questions as to the posters intelligence, qualifications, and
> intentions.
> Actually, such questions are infinitely more important and infinitely
> less damaging than the questions the poster attempts to raise...
By the same token, I haven't seen you post your qualifications to pontificate.
Please consider this a kind request to furnish us with your background.
I can't wait!
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What About The Last 44 Years ?read/new
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> From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
> Date: 30 Jul 91 16:43:24 GMT
> Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
> Message-ID: <1991Jul30.164324.22014@cadence.com>
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>
>
> I disagree, Don. UFOs are of this world. You're of this world. I'm of
> this world. Everyone who has ever seen a UFO is someone of this world.
> Whatever is happening to people is of this world. Unfortunately, nobody
> in our world community of humans seems to have the slightest idea what
> exactly is happening.
> We have no explanation for these weird lights in the sky. We have no
> explanation for people who have chunks of skin removed from their legs
> in the middle of the night. We people haven't the faintest idea how to
> reconcile stories of midnight abductions and needles put into the brain
> with our normal lives. One day we're shopping for toilet-paper and Oreo
> cookies, the next night we're spirited onto glowing spheres to be
> operated
> on by grey midgets with big almond eyes. What the hell is this stuff?
> What can you say to someone who tells you he was stopped by a UFO on
> the
> way home from the 7-Eleven? You can start by saying he's nuts. But then,
> what do you say to the hundreds of thousands of people all over the
> world
> who suddenly get brave enough to tell you their bizzare stories. Is
> everyone
> nuts? If everyone is nuts, then nuts is normal, by the definition of
> "normal".
>
> Anyway, if you start trying to describe these events in terms easily
> understandable by occult hobbiests, then you are selling the whole thing
> short. Nobody knows if these events are caused by beings from the Crab
> Nebula or renegade accountants from Burma. The truth is simply: Nobody
> knows.
>
> At this late point in our history as a civilization, I think we all
> can
> admit the possiblity of the existence of information and events we have
> yet to discover. Whatever this phenomenon is, it isnt something we have
> explained yet. Most importantly, we may not be able to explain it in
> terms
> common to our existing pool of scientific knowlege and experience as
> humans.
> If this is true, giving this thing a name simply detracts from its true
> nature.
>
I applaud your open-mindedness. Everyone should read this again.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: 6-10 Inch Disk [was Info: Recent Mufon Conference Recap - Chicago]
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> From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
> Date: 31 Jul 91 03:59:59 GMT
> Organization: The Search For TERRESTRIAL Intelligence
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> T. T. Brown reportedly flew small disks, but only tethered to a pole
> (because the tether was also the power cable!) Of course, this is
> ignoring
> the possibility that the disk in question could have had propellors, as
> I
> haven't seen the film and I don't know if they would be discernable
> anyway.
>
> OK all you aerospace people: Could you build a flying disk with
> propellors
> that would actually fly controllably?
Just as an aside, Don Ecker now possesses a remote controlled flying disk. It
is powered by gasoline, I believe. I will get more information from Don on
this and let you know. Some guy in Redlands, CA is producing them.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Ai-trad
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* Forwarded from "Ask UFO Magazine"
* Originally from Don Ecker
* Originally dated 07-31-91 14:53
Jim:
Last year I received the "3-STAR" report from Ai-Trad, and immediatly called
them up to get the "real deal". I spoke to the front guy, Kim Mikulas I think
(I do not have his card in front of me.)
I questioned them, and requested to speak to either the interviewer or the
General, but was told that until I was "checked out" they did not want to speak
to me. I told them fine, check me out and call me, but I never heard from them
again.
CAVEAT EMPTOR
Don
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Keelynet File, Lazar, Don't Be Duped
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> From: cn0gr8af@hydra.unm.edu (Student Class Account)
> Date: 30 Jul 91 18:14:23 GMT
> Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
> Message-ID: <1991Jul30.181423.6444@ariel.unm.edu>
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Regarding your posting about alleged gravity waves being observed in the
satellite photos over Kuwait, could you please expound on this a little more?
I would really appreciate it.
BTW, I think you are right on target re: Lazar. There were just too many
strange things associated with that guy. However, there were other things
that made us wonder about his veracity and to what extent he may have been
himself "duped."
Mike
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From: IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Xanadian)
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Subject: Full-Aspect Survey on Human Personality
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FULL-ASPECT SURVEY
This is a survey of all aspects (possible) of the personality
of mankind--namely physical, mental and spiritual. It is something that
I wish to use for my psych class coming up.. That, and it is also for
my curiosity. Questions with a star (*) are optional. All others,
please answer. Answer as truthfully as possible, please.
1. Y/N Do you think of yourself as a leader?
2. Y/N Are you satisfied with our government? (please name your govt)
3. Y/N Do you have a religion? Or, do you believe that there is a
spirit or soul in humankind (ie. each man & woman)?
3a. Y/N Do you believe in (a/some) God(s)?
3a. If yes, please name religion/belief
3b* Who was Jesus?
4. Y/N Do you consider yourself in reasonably good shape?
4a. On a scale of 1 - 10... how do you rate your fitness?
5. Name your top 10 favorite songs. (only 2 if you'd like, but at
least 2) If you don't listen to music, put -None-.
6. Y/N Do you believe that there are other intelligent beings out in
space?
7* Y/N Have you heard of xanadu?
7a* If YES, then what is/was it?
8. Y/N Assume you are in a company or firm. Would you be upset if
someone was appointed a position above you that you wanted, even
though he/she was totally qualified?
9. Y/N Would you ever want to travel in space?
9a. Y/N Inhabit another planet?
9b. If YES on both, then how would you want to see the leadership
set up, or, what kind of government would you like to see?
9c. Would you like to head this government? (*) Why?
10. How old are you?
11* Y/N Are you married? Divorced? Single? Ect.....
12. What type of job do you hold (if you hold one)?
13. Y/N Are you superstitious? (uncanny that this question came up
here, isn't it???)
14. Y/N Do you believe in ghosts?
15* Y/N Are you able to vote?
15a* Y/N Do you vote? Any particular branch or locale of govt?
16. If there were a real schnook in the government, what would you
do about him/her? (schnook-- one who appears to be doing nothing
for the people and everything for himself/herself)
17. What was your favorite year? (*) Why?
That's it for now. More questions may arise in THE SEQUEL-- SURVEY
II! (BTW-- 18. Y/N Do you think sequels are usually not as good as
the original?)
All information will be kept confidential. If there are any addition
al notes, please feel free to tack them on at the END. Thank you and
good night/day.
------------------------
This is a repost, since some changes had to be made---particularly on
q#1 and q#8. BTW... Thank you Sandy for the help. If anyone else
has any suggestions please let me know!
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From: IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Xanadian)
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Subject: Re: A Way Out Of Here.
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I have not seen the original article. Could someone email/repost it
to/for me?
BTW... Why would someone want to leave this woOOonderful planet of
ours?
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From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
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Subject: Thanks to Rob Trevelyan
Keywords: Crop Circles
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Just wanted to publicly thank Robert Trevelyan for his reporting on
the current crop circles, and encourage him further.
Thanks, Rob!
Also, lately there seems to be a disturbing trend in this news group.
There seems to be more and more rubbish posted here, and I'm afraid
that this will discourage the serious posters from using this group.
Can we cut down on the garbage, please? The best response to obviously
stupid news posts is to simply ignore them and hope that they will
go away.
Thanks for your time,
--Mark
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From: mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ha!
Keywords: Ha!
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Hi,
Just a few comments: to call you anti-religion is perhaps not
going too far. However, it is perhaps ingenuous to say:
We have to look through the myth, and realize that the same
voice has been muffled all through our history! If you are
only willing to open your eyes, you will see. There is a new
breed in the young people today. A select few have been able
to realize that we have to look at things truly objectively.
[etc]
... every generation grows up calling its predecessors (and in your
case, most of its peers) idiots. Its just something young people do.
I did it, too. I was cynical, and "not going to be fooled". Then I
discovered that things are significantly more complex than I thought,
and that (some of) my predecessors were extremely smart -- smarter
than me, in fact. So, I decided to study some more. I've been doing
that ever since. (I'm still cynical, in some ways, but I don't scream
at people during arguments any more.)
I beleive that the human mind is capable of anything, even
without tools and science, yet on the other hand I have a love
for science and creation. I beleive science can explain
everything, if we make science fit the truth, not bend the
truth to fit science.
Naturally. Scientists do the latter, politicians do the former.
(And lets not even talk about political scientists! :-)
We have to be ready to evolve. For a while now
humans have been devolving. Our machines and medicine and
some of our technology have just made it more difficult to
realize our potential.
... I don't agree. Neither, I'd say, would people who can use recent
inventions to do things they couldn't possibly do -- quadraplegics
and amputees, for a start. Technology has caused massive political
changes within this country and many others -- consider how long the
Vietnam war would have gone on without TV, for one. Technology has
helps society to evolve, and to do it significantly faster than in
years past. (If you don't like the way its evolving, well, that's
a different story.)
Our religion has taught us to mourn death, so we develop
medicine to stop people from dying. Belief has made us weak.
... um, quite the opposite. Religions in general teach that death is
*not* permanent; that we "go to a better place"; that "everlasting
life" is ours; or even that we return to earth with another chance.
How anti-death can you get? Religion is a balm against the grief of
loss. The thought that I will *never* see someone I know again,
*never* get to talk with them again, *never* see them smile again is
incredibly depressing. Religion teaches hope. (BTW, I am not a
particularly religious person -- just ask my parents, who gave up
trying to get me to go to church when I was 13...) Religions also
are a comfort to the oppressed and the dirt-poor that their lives
are not for nothing, that better things are ahead.
The antichrist, I suggest, is change. Radical, permanent
change that religion is afraid of.
... no. Religions are by nature conservative organizations, to be
sure. But they do change -- if nothing else, they fragment, and
subsets of belief go their own way (otherwise, we'd all still be
Zoroastrians!) Radical, permanent change is what the "power elite"
are afraid of -- the bankers, the politicians, etc. -- the people
who have a personal stake in the 'way things are'. Religions tend
to weather change fairly well; though the older 'organized religions'
may slowly wither for a number of reasons.
... Oh, by the way, what IS this "new reality", anyway? You seem to
spend all your time complaining that almost all of us (including
myself, I'd guess) are stupid; what is the real truth, then?
Charles
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <1991Aug5.155345.9075@cadence.com>
Date: 5 Aug 91 15:53:45 GMT
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In article <Aug.4.17.31.19.1991.21862@porthos.rutgers.edu> mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>
> ctdonath@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl T. Donath) writes:
>
> From time to time there were comments from aliens/spirits that
> significant things would be happening soon; ... Has anyone
> collected these "significant dates" so we can see how often
> they are professed?
>
>... a good question; but the search list for this will be very long.
>UFO books and articles dating back at least to the 1950's include
>references to "the truth" coming out "sometime soon". Sometimes this
>comes from 'aliens', and sometimes from (often unnamed) "government
>sources". (These sources include alleged CIA contacts, and even
>President Carter, among others.)
>
[stuff edited]
For what it's worth:
Whitley Strieber, author of the best selling Close Encounter book
"Communion", receives about 50 to 70 letters per day from people who
claim to have had UFO experiences. Whitley says that since April of this
year, the subject matter of those letters has shifted from stories about
encounters in the past, to stories about encounters in the present.
Whitley himself believes that something is going to happen soon, and
he thinks that the correspondance validates his suspicion. He does not
define "soon" or the "something" that he expects to happen.
The source of this information is a letter published by Mr. Strieber that
I happened to see.
For what its worth.....now get back to work.
Joe
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From: wsadjw@rw7.urc.tue.nl (Jan Willem Nienhuys)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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Date: 5 Aug 91 16:50:48 GMT
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In article <1991Aug5.084242.3359@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se writes:
>available. But there is also a lot of evidence which does not fit the
>evolution theory.
Such as?
J.W. Nienhuys,
Research Group Discrete Mathematics
Dept. of Mathematics and Computing Science
Eindhoven University of Technology
P.O. BOX 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven
The Netherlands
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From: tom@kether.webo.dg.com (Tom Sullivan)
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Subject: Re: File - THE GENESIS FACTOR - Warren York intro / George Merkl
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Date: 23 Jul 91 16:05:00 GMT
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In-Reply-To: dona@bilver.uucp's message of 17 Jul 91 23:39:44 GMT
Where's the address for further info, referenced in the article?
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From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: gravity waves
Message-ID: <1991Aug05.195333.8309@convex.com>
Date: 5 Aug 91 19:53:33 GMT
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In article <1991Jul30.181423.6444@ariel.unm.edu> cn0gr8af@hydra.unm.edu (Student Class Account) writes:
[...long discussion extolling the virtues of skepticism deleted...]
>Second, look at the paper presented for the "public good". The entire basis
>for his generator is based on a situation which is completely UNTRUE. In fact,
>it violates one of Maxwell's equations, and does not work experimentally. The
>fact that it does not work experimentally puzzled physicists from the early
>1800's until around 1880. It was easily explained after Faraday's Law was
>discovered. The basic idea is that a disk is placed in a magnetic field,
>oriented so that the field lines are perpendicular to the surface of the
>conducting disk. It is then claimed that if the disk is spun, a potential
>will develop between the center of the disk and the outside edge. This is
>just plain WRONG. While it is true that if a potential is placed across
>the distance from the center to the outer edge, a current will flow, and
>the disk will spin, the converse is not true. Only in the case of a varying
>magnetic field can a potential develop. (Faraday's Law: Curl of E = -dB/dt).
>This is high school physics! (Well, maybe first year college level).
>It is claimed that the potential that develops is the same as when the disk
>is attached to the magnet and spun. I will give him that, but only in that
>they are both identically ZERO.
[...]
>Rusty
>
>PS: mail at jewett@mcnc.org or cn0gr8af@cirt.unm.edu
Rusty, your prior argument would carry more weight if you did not digress into
subjects with which you are not familiar.
In fact this device works exactly as advertised, and is normally a subject
of introductory texts on electromagnetics. Check page 274 of "Field and
Wave Electromagnetics" by David K. Cheng.
It is called the Faraday disk generator. The electrons in the disk will see
the Lorentz force q(E + vXB) (X is the cross operator; v is the velocity
vector). As lines of magnetic flux are cut by the infinitesimally thin
conductors connecting the edge of the disk to its center, the electrons in the
conductors will be driven by this electromotive force, with the result being a
potential between the center and the edge.
This device is typically used in industrial cloth manufacturing where
precision tension control is needed to feed threads into weaving machines.
The spools are mounted on conductive plates and are spun next to a large
magnet. The thread is fed at a constant velocity, so changing the distance to
the magnet yields precise control over the thread tension.
You provide so much false detail in your refutation of this device that I have
to wonder if you just made it all up as you went along.
On the other hand, you can hardly call yourself a skeptic if you heard all
this poppycock from someone else, and then parroted it here without even
bothering to check some technical references.
BTW - normally I wouldn't flame you for making a mistake like this. But,
as you yourself stated, "This is high school physics!"
You can reach me by email at swarren@convex.com
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From: etuggle@auc.trw.com (Eddie Tuggle)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <1991Aug5.190220.16288@auc.trw.com>
Date: 5 Aug 91 19:02:20 GMT
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Is Whitley Strieber generaly considered to be an athority, reliable? I have read Communion
and found it quite interesting.
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ha!
Keywords: Ha!
Message-ID: <1991Aug5.234204.19257@cadence.com>
Date: 5 Aug 91 23:42:04 GMT
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In article <1991Aug03.014554.1086@disk.uucp> unknown@disk.uucp (unknown) writes:
>
>I beleive the earth has been visited by other intelligent races... But
>that's an OPINION. Here's another opinion:
> For as many years as there have been human beings, there has been some
>form or religion. All these religions can be summed up in one phrase,
>"Safety in Numbers".. We were afraid of change, afraid of the unknown.
>People bonded together to hide from the reality of the unknown. Elaborate
>myths were built up by the most scared, the preachers and leaders. They
>wove the tales of pixies and gnomes, elementals, angels, demons... Look
>at it this way: If you had seen aliens, or something totally strange to
>you, you'd probably be
[ stuff edited]
My feeling about this "visitation" phenomenon,
both past and present, is this:
We must treat this like a courtroom battle. There are lawyers on
either side of the issue who make extremely persuasive arguments for
and against the "visitation" theory.
You, decide the outcome yourself. The "truth" is irrelevant. The
"truth" may be completely unknowable. At any rate, nobody knows the truth.
The evidence presented to you as a juror is almost completely
subjective and circumstantial. The evidence is inconclusive.
So, what is real? What is the "truth"? Is he guilty or not? In the
courtroom, the minds of the twelve define reality. Each of us has made
up his/her own mind. That defines the reality of this situation.
Unfortunately, like the jury in a difficult court case, we may very well
have decided wrong. If we knew the "truth", there would be no courtrooms
and no discussion.
C'est la vie.
Joe
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From: troly@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Keelynet File, Lazar, Don't Be Duped
Message-ID: <1991Aug5.113655.350@math.ucla.edu>
Date: 5 Aug 91 11:36:55 GMT
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In article <73218.289C6875@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>
Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
>Regarding your posting about alleged gravity waves being observed in the
>satellite photos over Kuwait, could you please expound on this a little more?
>I would really appreciate it.
I am not the poster referred to here, but nothing is strange about
this claim. Gravity waves are seen all the time. *Gravitational*
waves are another thing altogether.
"In your heart, you know it's flat."
?
Bret Jolly (Bo'-ret Tro Ly) Mathemagus LA Platygaean Society
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles in Wiltshire
Message-ID: <jms.5631@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 5 Aug 91 15:53:32 GMT
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In article <1991Aug02.160751.21978@aixssc.ibm.co.uk> rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan) writes:
>
>A keen circles watcher had been cropwatching with two friends at
>Beckhampton at about midnight when they had seen a pulsing light
>moving silently across the sky. During the course of the next hour
>they saw five more such objects, some white and some pulsing green,
>red and white. All were silent though at times they seemed
>comparatively close to where they stood. At one time a dark object
>flew swiftly and silently overhead, blotting out the stars.
>The three were quite frightened by this strange display, and
>likened what they'd seen to a sequence from "Close Encounters of
>the Third Kind". Some of their sightings were in the direction
Weren't the sequences in CETK based on the Bentwaters (Rendlesham) case?
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From: stephens@ipc1.lat.oz.au (Philip J Stephens)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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Date: 6 Aug 91 00:18:28 GMT
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In article <773@rc6.urc.tue.nl> wsadjw@urc.tue.nl writes:
>In article <1991Aug5.084242.3359@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se writes:
>>But there is also a lot of evidence which does not fit the
>>evolution theory.
>
>Such as?
Well, try giving a convincing set of transitionary forms from the reptile
lung to the avian lung for starters. And how about a convincing set of
forms from the reptile scales to the avian feather.
Actually, why don't you just give us all the necessary transitionary
forms from every "known ancestor" to every species today. That would be
convincing enough for me.
And whilst you're at it, throw in an explanation for why the percentage
difference between the DNA of a given reptile and *all* mammals is the same,
regardless of the fact that different mammals should evolve at different
rates.
Finally, give us the latest estimate on how probable it was for the first
replicating molecule to evolve in a single step.
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From: mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Thanks to Rob Trevelyan
Keywords: Crop Circles
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Date: 6 Aug 91 07:44:04 GMT
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In article <1991Aug5.143455.669@vicorp.com> mc@vicorp.UUCP (Mark Charalambous) writes:
>
>Also, lately there seems to be a disturbing trend in this news group.
>There seems to be more and more rubbish posted here, and I'm afraid
>that this will discourage the serious posters from using this group.
>
>Can we cut down on the garbage, please? The best response to obviously
>stupid news posts is to simply ignore them and hope that they will
>go away.
I agree totally with this!
Most of the 'garbabe' in this group is comes from
JOHNF with his stuff about pyramids and solar system travels.
or rather, the replies and flames it provokes (including me!)
I really believe he's making fun and we're all falling for his
provocation..
So why don't we all let him post and just don't respond, that'll cut
down a lot of the 'garbage'.
Also if you want to flame me for this post why don't you send it e-mail
so that it doesn't fill up the group.
(Everything is of course IMHO)
Mike
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From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: 6-10 Inch Disk [was Info: Recent Mufon Conference Recap - Chicago]
Message-ID: <859@carbon.crc.ac.uk>
Date: 6 Aug 91 10:12:22 GMT
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In article <73219.289C6877@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>, Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
>
> > From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
[stuff deleted]
> > the possibility that the disk in question could have had propellors, as
> > I
> > haven't seen the film and I don't know if they would be discernable
> > anyway.
> >
I was at the MUFON Conference, this video was very interesting. About
three minutes of the total (much longer) video were shown.
The film appeared to show a small whitish spherical object. As far as I
could see there were no propellors, but bear in mind that the film was
taken from at least a couple of hundred yards with a domestic camcorder.
STEVE.
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From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Summary: How accurate are reported dates??
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Date: 6 Aug 91 10:23:30 GMT
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In article <Aug.4.17.31.19.1991.21862@porthos.rutgers.edu>, mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>
> ctdonath@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl T. Donath) writes:
>
> From time to time there were comments from aliens/spirits that
> significant things would be happening soon; ... Has anyone
> collected these "significant dates" so we can see how often
> they are professed?
>
> ... a good question; but the search list for this will be very long.
> UFO books and articles dating back at least to the 1950's include
> references to "the truth" coming out "sometime soon". Sometimes this
[stuff deleted]
> Charles
One problem you would have with this is how accurate are the writers
of the books reporting what the witnesses actually state?
In her book 'Abduction' Jenny Randles mentions, I believe, several
times that witnesses stating that 'something' will happen in 1992. I
know of at least one case where the witness states that they have
never said anything special will happen in 1992. J.R. tends to be
one of the more level headed authors, so if she can make a mistake
what chance do you have if you (have to) rely on more sensationilist
authors?????
STEVE.
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From: p515dfi@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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From: huw@spls5.ccs.mt.nec.co.jp (Huw Jonathan Rogers)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Aliens from outer space...
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Date: 5 Aug 91 04:14:01 GMT
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I recently heard a Radio One program in the UK that contained
an interview with a leading proponent of the popular "US Government has
aliens locked up and is experimenting with their spaceplanes" conspiracy
theory. However this particular individual sounded very reasonable, did
not make any outrageous claims, and further had some interesting facts
to disclose. In particular he mentioned several verifiable facts which
I would like some followup on:
Rockwell International and NASA were planning a *massive*
joint exhibition of space exploration this year (1991) but it was delayed
inexplicably until 1992. In the *official* prospectus for this exhibition,
one of the exhibits was clearly stated to be "an extraterrestrial space
craft". When asked about this by various individuals, all enquiries
were referred by NASA to the US DoD. An unnamed Pentagon spokesman speaking
off the record is meant to have indicated that they "had a number of such
vehicles to choose from..."
The Pentagon also held a press conference to deal with press
inquiries on this matter - and refused to answer any questions. In fact
reporters later said that the Pentagon had asked most of the questions,
and they all pertained to "what would be the public reaction if...".
The guy on the radio program referred extensively to two NASA
consultant engineers who claimed to have worked on alien spacecraft
studying propulsion systems for NASA - both had high level security
clearance in the States, were verifiably employed by NASA as senior
consultant engineers, and both were phoned in the States by the station
in a followup program (which I missed) the next day. The followup program
incidentally was only scheduled at the last minute due to record phone
calls from the public swamping Radio 1's 64 line switchboard...
He also claimed that a NSA official had told him off the record
that the NSA was in "electronic communication" with at least eight
extraterrestrial sources of intelligent communication...
He claimed that he possessed a recording of a telephone conversation
with an ex deputy director of the CIA (Casey's deputy as I recall), who
said that they (the CIA) had possession of quite a few alien artefacts,
including bodies, spacecraft and other miscellaneous bits and pieces.
He also verified on tape claims that several alien landings at US AFBs had
occured in the past, and in some cases were common knowledge amongst certain
groups of AFB personnel: "Hear what came in this morning, Joe?"...
Various farmers in a certain area of the US (I forget the state
that was mentioned) regularly discovered bloodless (drained) cattle in
various stages of dismemberment in the early morning. These animals had
had certain glands, body parts, or body fluids surgically removed with a
precision beyond the capabilities of all but the most advanced surgical
laboratories. This problem was so bad that in one place a farmer was in
danger of going bust due to loss of cattle. One explanation advanced was that
aliens were using these cattle as a convenient source of various rare
chemicals/tissues.
The technology in the latest black projects that have progressed
to flight hardware - Aurora, Strike, etc. - seems to be well beyond the
capabilities of current commercial (defense/aerospace) technology. In
particular ablative control surfaces and reliable flight control at speeds
in excess of Mach 4 are characteristics of such craft, sightings of which
are widespread in Nevada along with reliable evidence (supersonic boom
disruption?) of such speeds.
Any comments/hard info. on any of these assertions would be
much appreciated - please post as I am sure others are interested too.
-Huw
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Help!
Message-ID: <1991Aug5.235048.7116@bilver.uucp>
Date: 5 Aug 91 23:50:48 GMT
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In article <1991Aug02.041752.10131@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> woodc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Major Havok) writes:
>
>Attention DON ALLEN:
> I hate to resort to posting personal messages on a news group, but I can
>not get mail delivered to you for some reason. If you see this posting then
>please respond. Did you receive my last posting to you and Jim Shaffer as
>well? (Or all me messages/postings being intercepted by some secret
>government agency that wants to prevent me from obtaining information??)
>Please, please, PLEASE respond if you see this.
>
>--
Yes, Chris, I did get your last message. It must be that this article
and mail routing is taking longer than usual to wend it's way through
the NSA :-)
Try mailing me again..if it bounces, try a re-send..some people have
had to resend a few times (same here with me) ,but be persistent. Once
the mail _does_ get through, it tends to stay that way.
Don
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-* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the best of us.
USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :-)
UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO!
Illuminati < MJ-12|Greys|TLC|CFR|FED|Bilderbergs > UN = "New World Order"
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From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Answers to questains.
Message-ID: <91218.074352JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Date: 6 Aug 91 15:43:52 GMT
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Goodmorning everyone. It might be best if I answer a few questains
that has been put forth before going further. Someone ask what is a
space tape? A space tape is an audio recording on a message from a
space person. In the case of the ones I was talking about
it was from beings that are on a higher vibrational frequency than us and
not is the physical form.
I must go but will leave you with this saying; May you live all the
days of your life.
Standard Disclaimer.
John.
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <1991Aug6.142130.3540@cadence.com>
Date: 6 Aug 91 14:21:30 GMT
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Sender: Joe Mastroianni
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
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In article <1991Aug5.190220.16288@auc.trw.com> etuggle@dora.UUCP (Eddie Tuggle) writes:
>Is Whitley Strieber generaly considered to be an athority, reliable? I have read Communion
>and found it quite interesting.
>
I wouldn't personally consider Mr. Strieber to be an authority. He is
simply the highest paid. Im not sure what "reliable" means. If it
means, "should we believe what he says", then , certainly not.
I only posted the prior note to let you know what some visible people are
saying on the question of significant dates.
Happy trails.
Joe
--
Joe Mastroianni AKA: AA6YD AA6YD @ N6LDL.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA
Cadence Design Systems
Santa Clara Ca. "Up the airy mountain;down the rushy glen; we
jdm@cadence.com daren't go a hunting; for fear of little men "
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From: cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug6.142140.27984@aifh.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 6 Aug 91 14:21:40 GMT
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In article <1991Aug6.001828.26671@latcs1.lat.oz.au> stephens@ipc1.lat.oz.au (Philip J Stephens) writes:
>In article <773@rc6.urc.tue.nl> wsadjw@urc.tue.nl writes:
>>In article <1991Aug5.084242.3359@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se writes:
>>>But there is also a lot of evidence which does not fit the
>>>evolution theory.
>>Such as?
> Well, try giving a convincing set of transitionary forms from the reptile
>lung to the avian lung for starters. And how about a convincing set of
>forms from the reptile scales to the avian feather.
This request is a waste of net bandwidth. You can easily find this kind
of stuff in modern popular evolutionary works, such as the writings of
Gould and Dawkins.
> Actually, why don't you just give us all the necessary transitionary
>forms from every "known ancestor" to every species today. That would be
>convincing enough for me.
Ho ho, killing sarcasm. What do you want before you decide to marry -- a
comparative biography of every living woman?
> And whilst you're at it, throw in an explanation for why the percentage
>difference between the DNA of a given reptile and *all* mammals is the same,
>regardless of the fact that different mammals should evolve at different
>rates.
Why don't you try *learning* a little? The answer is well known: almost
all DNA is idle, and does not contribute to the expressed genotype. The
measurement of difference is the measurement of the background rate of
mutation in the idle DNA, and has been well established by many
experiments to run at a constant rate. That's the experimental basis on
which genetic clocking depends.
> Finally, give us the latest estimate on how probable it was for the first
>replicating molecule to evolve in a single step.
Since nobody thinks this happened, what is your interest in knowing the
probability?
>< Philip J. Stephens >< "Many views yield the truth." >
>< Hons. student, Computer Science >< "Therefore, be not alone."
So this guy is actually a *science* student? Obviously Oz basic science
education could do with being a bit broader. All that I've written above
could have been discovered from reading the quality Sunday newspapers
for a year, there's nothing esoteric about it.
--
Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aipna +44 (0)31 667 1011 x2550
Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
Message-ID: <1991Aug6.160911.13402@cadence.com>
Date: 6 Aug 91 16:09:11 GMT
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I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
Joe
--
Joe Mastroianni AKA: AA6YD AA6YD @ N6LDL.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA
Cadence Design Systems
Santa Clara Ca. "Up the airy mountain;down the rushy glen; we
jdm@cadence.com daren't go a hunting; for fear of little men "
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From: ddaye@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David C Daye)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
Message-ID: <1991Aug6.165543.15528@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Date: 6 Aug 91 16:55:43 GMT
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In article <1991Aug6.160911.13402@cadence.com> jdm@cadence.com,
(Joe Mastroianni) writes:
>I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
>multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
>with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
It may depend on what you're computing. I think of 2 possibilities in
response to the standard question of "If they're coming here, why haven't
they contacted us formally?"
1) Have you ever "contacted" the ants? We see them, we may stare at
them or occasionally experiment with them. But given the differences
between them and us in levels of complexity, there isn't much meaning
to the term "contact." And even closer to our own level, there are
lots of reasons to suspect that "contact" between aliens and any of
our institutions would be pointless or nearly meaningless to them.
2) I have the impression that we do "contact" apes fairly regularly.
That is, researchers attempting to hang around with chimp or
gorrilla troupes (in or out of captivity) do take some trouble to
learn the body language and to establish relationships with the
leader, position in the pecking order, etc. -- at least some people
under some circumstances do this. I know it's true: I saw it on
TV!! Anyways this is perhaps one analogue for possible alien
contact with a social structure that could be vastly inferior to
their own.
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From: wsadjw@rw7.urc.tue.nl (Jan Willem Nienhuys)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
Message-ID: <779@rc6.urc.tue.nl>
Date: 6 Aug 91 16:22:22 GMT
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In article <2172@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> p515dfi@mpirbn.UUCP (Daniel Fischer) writes:
> Various farmers in a certain area of the US (I forget the state
>that was mentioned) regularly discovered bloodless (drained) cattle in
>various stages of dismemberment in the early morning. These animals had
>had certain glands, body parts, or body fluids surgically removed with a
>precision beyond the capabilities of all but the most advanced surgical
>laboratories. This problem was so bad that in one place a farmer was in
>danger of going bust due to loss of cattle. One explanation advanced was that
>aliens were using these cattle as a convenient source of various rare
>chemicals/tissues.
Oh my goodness. The surgical precision beyond the ken of ordinary technology
bit again. This old nut rears it head so often, even after dismemberment,
that it is probably the Hydra of Lerna (as you remember, cutting the heads
of the Hydra of Lerna didn't work, even when done with surgical precision.
Old Hercules approached it differently. He cauterised the wounds after he
removed the heads - with surgical precision of course, not just your old
Hippocratic surgery, but pre-Hippocratic surgery, only known to the
cosmonautic semigods, since then a lost art especially as the surgical
instruments consisted of only one (1!) bronze sword, no doubt forged by
Merlin or the Lady of the Lake. Cauterizing was also done the semi-divine
way namely with torches and an assistant, in short by FLAMING!!).
I will humbly emulate Hercules (or his assistant). I can assure you, this
flame is patently divine, because the words flow from my fingers almost
before I think them up.
This cattle mutilation bit is thought up by silly woolly blockheads,
who couldn't distinguish a chain saw from a surgical knife, and who,
when they happen on a dead animal that has been gnawed at by small
predators (who like the soft parts, like the genitals, yes these
so called "certain glands" why mince words, their balls of course,-
when they happen on such things, these paranormal yokels can only
think up the most implausible explanation, UFO's and Satanic Rituals
(you know these guys that revel in sneaking up on dead carcasses in the
dead of the night and relish in biting off - with surgical precision of
course - their half rotten eyes, cunts and dicks and arses - (off the
carcasses of course), all in the sick imagination of UFO-freaks and
Fundamentalist devil-hunters and hillbilly cops) and what have you.
Yechch (sp?).
It really doesn't help to send police officers, pathologists,
veterinary surgeons and so on to investigate, because whatever they say
sinks in the morassess of the hordes of ignorant nitwits and
summertime journalism, to vanish out of sight forever and ever.
So, maybe this Hydra head has been cauterised. Next. Only one
myriad to go.
J.W. Nienhuys,
Research Group Discrete Mathematics
Dept. of Mathematics and Computing Science
Eindhoven University of Technology
P.O. BOX 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven
The Netherlands
e-mail: wsadjw@urc.tue.nl
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From: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Winchester Crop Circles
Message-ID: <1991Aug05.182139.35565@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>
Date: 5 Aug 91 18:21:39 GMT
Sender: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan)
Organization: IBM AIX Systems Support Centre, UK.
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Subject: A Strange Object/New Circles at the Punchbowl
******************************************************************
While driving home from Twyford, Hants on Wednesday evening
along the M3 with my wife we noticed this strange dark object
"flying ?" above us . It was very much a oval/rectangle shape and
seemed to be flying about 45 degrees forward of vertical . This
object had a very bright light at the top and bottom of the view
we could see and these were not flashes but pulsing . This object
gradually gained speed and as it did so the pulsing lights got
faster and faster . Eventually it sped up and was a good five miles
in front of us but still parallel to the M3 and the pulsing light was
still extremely bright . The light seemed to be pulsing and the two
lights seemed to pulse and create a third in the middle of them.
We were also aware of another object pacing it but about half a mile
behind it. This could have been a helicopter as it had a flashing light
but it also had a bright white light coming from underneath it like a
spotlight . Eventually the bright pulsing red light really sped up and
disappeared below the horizon. It was about 9:50 and getting quite dark
but we could make out that the object, what ever it was, was very large.
We live within about 10 miles from RAF Odiham , a Chinook helicopter
base and at first thought it was a Chinook, but dismissed this as even
one of these that low would be heard over the road noise. It was
probably twice the size of a Chinook and had totally different lights
underneath it and these were far too bright and were pulsing.
All very strange ....
The weird part of the story is that after this light had disappeared
my wife joked that it was probably on its way home from creating a
crop circle in the Punch Bowl .
Well, curiosity took over and last evening we went down to Cheesefoot
Head to see if anything had appeared and to our amazement there is
a formation in the Punch Bowl. This formation a basically a 2 or 3
ringed circle with a tail and is near the edge on the left . We saw
it about 10 pm last evening and as it was nearly dark details of
the formation were quite sketchy . It could be a hoax as it is near
the edge for easy access and its tail or spur looked rough . I will
probably go back down there over the weekend and check this out .
If it is for real I wonder if it is tied up with the pulsing light ?
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I re-visited the Punch Bowl on Friday night and the formation
looks a genuine one. It is basically a "insectogram" head and
antennae . The head is two rings with very large curving paths
coming from it with smaller circles at the end .
Also Thursday night a new formation appeared by the very first
formation at Chilcomb . This is difficult to see from the road but
looks similar to the original one but larger . Friday night it had
been swamped with people and is now probably very trampled.
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What follows is some source info on where to find publications
on/about/regarding Nikola Tesla.
PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS BEING PUBLISHED FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY!
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Alfred A. Skrocki
April 26, 1991
This is a list of literature on Nikola Tesla and related material,
currently available from Lindsay Publications Inc. with a brief
description of each reference. Any of the publications listed can be
ordered from:
Lindsay Publications Inc.
P.O. Box 12
Bradley IL 60915-0012
Thay charge 75 cents shipping for the first book and 25 cents for
each additional book. Thay accept VISA and MasterCharge and do C.O.D.
their Phone-order number is (815)468-3668 their FAX number is
(815)468-3694 . All their books have a satisfaction gaurantee! Be sure
to get on their mailing list for their "Electrical Books" catalog, and
tell them about the Tesla BBS (Who knows, Thay may list it in one of
their future catalogs)
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Build your Own Laser, Phaser, Ion Ray Gun...
by Robert E. Lannini
TAB Books
Contains the plains to build many devices listed in the "Information
Unlimited, Inc." catalog, including a 250,000 volt Tesla coil, a solid-
state Tesla coil, ruby lasers, solid state lasers, a CO2 IR laser, LED
laser simulators, Ultrasonic pain field generators, Magnetic field
distortion detector, an IR viewer, and a variety of "bugs".
8 x 0 1/2 paperback, 390 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 346 $17.95
Electrical Designs
Articles From American Electrician Magazine 1901
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
Numerous plans for motors, ammeters, watt meters, galvanometers,
a Wimhust influence machine, a condenser for extremely high potentials,
and an article on the construction of a Tesla - Thompson high frequency
coil.
5 1/2 x 11 paperback, 262 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4228 $11.50
Electricity at High Pressures and Frequencies
by Henry L. Transtrom 1921
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
Not much how-to, but descriptions on existing equipment in 1921, with
theory, calculations on performance and numerous photos. First chapter
devoted to principles of electricity in simplified terms. many photos
of high voltage experiments.
5 x 7 paperback, 264 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 20544 $11.95
Experiments With Alternate Currents of High Potential & High Frequency
by Nikola Tesla
A reprint of the Lecture delivered by Tesla before the Institution
of Electrical Engineers, London, with an appendix on the
transmission of electrical energy without wire. The last fourteen
pages is a reprint of Tesla's article from the March 5, 1904 issue
of "Electrical World and Engineer" complete with photographs of Tesla's
experimental apparatus at the Colorado Springs and Long Island
laboratories.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 170 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4392 $9.95
High Frequency Apparatus
by Thomas Stanley Curtis 1916
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc. 1988
Much discussion on the constituent parts of Tesla coils with details on
construction of everything from the High voltage primary transformer to
the Winding of the Tesla coil secondary. Several detailed plans for large
Tesla coils (fifty inch sparks) and a large chapter on the use of the
Tesla coil in stage acts and High Frequency Plant Culture. Well
illustrated.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 247 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 20030 $11.95
High Power Wireless Equipment
by Alfred Morgan
Popular Electricity Magazine 1910-1911
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
A compiliation of articles that appeared in Popular Electricity Magazine
dealing with Spark-gap transmitters and how to build them from the ground
up! Includes chapters on; Tesla and his Wireless Age and Construction of
the Tesla High Frequency Apparatus.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 99 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4953 $9.95
Inventions, Researches & Writings of Nikola Tesla
by Thomas Commerford Martin 1893
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
A comprehensive collection of Tesla's work up to 1893. Contains
chapters on; Polyphase currents, Tesla effects with High Frequency
and High Potential Currents (including transcriptions of all of
Tesla's lectures on High frequency and High potential currents up to
1893, Miscellaneous Inventions and Writings (including Tesla's Thermo
and Pyro-magnetic motors),and an Appendix on Early Phase Motors and
the Tesla Oscillators (covering Tesla's personal exhibit at the
Chicago Worlds Fair and Tesla's mechanical and electrical oscillators.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 496 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4902 $16.95
Lakhovsky Multi-Wave Oscillator Handbook
compiled by Thomas J. Brown
A typewritten report covering history, wiring diagrams, construction
tips, reprints of the Lakhovsky patents, "documented" cases of cure,
and a series of reprinted magazine articles on the use of radio frequency
waves to cure diseases.
8 1/2 x 11 spiral bound, 156 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 357 $16.95
Mechanics Notebook 20 - Old Magazine Plans
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
Construction plans gleamed from; "Everyday Engineering Magazine",
"Electrical Experimenter","Practical Electrics and "Science and
Invention" covering the period of September 1918 to February 1926.
Mostly of interest to machinists, but includes plans for a twenty
four inch Tesla coil.
8 1/2 x 11 booklet 22 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 848 $5.95
Plans & Instructions to Build the -
"Mini" Tesla Electric Spark Coil
by John F. Nuyen
A small typewritten booklet by an experimenter on building a Tesla
coil using a Model-T ignition coil, the Tesla Coil itself uses 8 guage
wire for the primary and 34 gauge wire on a sixteen inch length of PVC
tubing. A "home-grown" publication.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 booklet, 16 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 374 $4.00
Plans & Instructions to Build the -
High Frequency Electric Coil
by John F. Nuyen
A small typewritten booklet by an experimenter on building an Oudin
coil using a Model-T ignition coil, the Oudin Coil itself uses 8 guage
wire for the primary and 34 gauge wire on a paper tube. A "home-grown"
publication.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 booklet, 16 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 375 $4.00
Space Energy Recievers
by Simplified Technology Service
Most of the devices described were built to defraud gullible investors.
There is a brief description on Tesla's Free-energy reciever. Other devices
described include; the Moray unit, the Yglesias machine, Hartwig's pendulum
observations, Perrigo's machine, the Mushroom generator, and a British
report on a World War II German machine. Has photos, diagrams and a list
of experimentors.
8 1/2 x 11 booklet, 21 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 882 $4.50
Tesla: The Lost Inventions
by George Trinkaus 1988
High Voltage Press
contains a brief history of Tesla's various endevors and brief
overviews of; Tesla's Turbine, Spark-Gap oscillator, The Tesla coil,
Magnifying Transmitter, Tesla's High Frequency lighting devices,
Transportation (including Tesla's Vertical take-off and landing plane)
and Tesla's Free-energy reciever.
8 1/2 x 7 booklet, 34 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4317 $6.95
Tesla Coil
by George Trinkaus
High Voltage Press
Contains a brief overview of Tesla, his career and his coil.
Instructions on building a Tesla coil using a neon sign transformer
and a spark gap to drive the primary. Contains brief discussions on;
glass and foil capacitors, oil capacitors, salt-water capacitors,
series and rotary spark gaps, Tesla's Magnifying transmiter,
a schematic for a 6L6 tube driven coil and an ozone disinfector.
7 x 8 1/2 booklet, 21 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 741 $4.95
Tesla Coil Secrets - Construction notes and novel uses
by R. A. Ford
Lindsay Publications Inc. 1985
Numerous Tesla coil plans, covering everything from a miniature coil
wound on a 5 3/4 inch testube to a four foot coil yielding fifty four
inch sparks! Several designs for spark gaps,including rotary and quenched
gaps. Many examples of experiments with Tesla coils and discussion on
experiments in wireless power, electrotheraputics, and electroculture.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 74 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4317 $6.95
Tesla - Man Out of Time
by Margaret Chaney 1981
Prentice-Hall,Inc.
An extensive biography on Tesla covering much material released by the
Freedom of Information Act, and material gleamed from the references in
the bibliography on Tesla that Margret Chaney served as Co-editor for.
mass-market paperback, 310 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 717 $5.95
The Very Best From The Electrical Experimenter 1916-1917
anthology by Lindsay Publications Inc.
A compiliation of articles on spark-gap transmitters and Tesla coils
gleamed from Electrical Experimenter magazine. Articles on; Spark-gaps,
rotary spark-gaps, a bottle Tesla coil, a thirty six inch spark Tesla
coil for lecturers, a 1/4 KW Oudin coil, construction of Tesla coils
for medical and lecture use, use of Tesla coils in treatment of diseases,
Dr. Tesla and his achievements, Lightning made to order, Tesla's views
on electricity and war, and an article on Reginald A. Fressenden.
8 1/2 x 11 paperback, 108 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 20137 $9.95
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Bearden, T, E. Fer-De-Lance: A Briefing on Soviet Scaler Electromagnetic
Weapons. Tesla Book Co., 1986.
225 p. / ill. $27.50
Cheney, Margaret. Tesla: Man out of Time. Hippocrene Books, Inc., 3/90
320 p. $18.95
Cheney, Margaret. Tesla, man out of time.
/ Margaret Cheney. -- Englewood Cliffs, N.J. : Prentice-Hall, c1981.
Commander X. Nikola Tesla: Free Energy & the White Dove.
Global Communications, 12 / 90
130 p. $8.95
Corum, James F. TCTUTOR: A Personal Computer Analysis of Spark Gap Tesla
Coils. Corum & Associates, Inc,. 12/88
96 p. / ill. $75.00
Corum, James F. Vacuum Tube Tesla Coils. Corum & Associates, Inc,. 12/88
130 p. / paperback / ill. $55.00
Hunt, Inez. Lightning in His Hands: The Life Story of Nikola Tesla.
Angriff Press,
paperback $5.00
Johnston, Benjamin H. And in Creating Live : The Early Life of Nikola Tesla.
Hart Brothers Publishing, 6/90
175 p. / ill. $8.95
Martin, T. C. Inventions, Reaserches & Writings of Nikola Tesla. Gordon Press
Publishers, 10/86
Library binding $250.00
Martin, Thomas Commerford, 1856-1924.
The inventions, researches, and writing of Nikola Tesla, with special reference
to his work in polyphase currents and high potential lighting.
/ by Thomas Commerford Martin. -- Hawthorne, Ca.
Omni Publications ; (New York : distributed by W. S. Heinman), 1977.
O'Neil, John J. The Prodigal Genius: The Life of Nikola Tesla.
Angriff Press,
326 p. / paperback $6.00
O'Neil, John J. The Prodigal Genius: The Life and Mind of Nikola Tesla.
Gordon Press Publishers, 11/86
Library binding $79.95
Phillips, Mark, ed. Tesla - Mechanical Resonance: Bass Guitar. Cherry Lane
Books,
71 p. / paperback / ill. $14.95
Phillips, Mark, ed. Tesla - The Great Radio Controversy: Guitar - Vocal.
Cherry Lane Books,
102 p. / paperback / ill. $16.95
Ratzlaff, John T., ed. Tesla: Complete Patents. Gordon Press Publishers, 8/86
Library binding $125.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Tesla Said. Tesla Book Co., 4/84
paperback $28.00
Ratzlaff, John T. ed. Dr. Nikola Tesla-Selected Patent Wrappers from the
National Archives. Tesla Book Co., 1981.
paperback $60.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Dr. Nikola Tesla Bibliography. Ragusan Press, 1979.
248 p. / paperback $18.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Dr. Nikola Tesla. Tesla Book Co., 10/79.
paperback / ill. $20.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Dr. Nikola Tesla--Complete Patents. 2nd ed. Tesla Book Co.,
500 p. / Library binding / ill. $35.00
Tesla, Nikola. The Problem of Increasing Human Energy, with Special Reference
to Harnessing the Sun's Energy. Revisionist Press, 3/91.
Library binding $75.00
Tesla, Nikola. The Tesla Coil. Revisionist Press, 3/91.
Library binding $75.00
Tesla, Nikola. Catalogue of Patents: A. Radmila. Vanous, Arthur, Co., 1988.
62 p. $10.00
Tesla, Nikola. Museum Catalogue - Museum. Vanous, Arthur, Co., 1987.
30 p.
Tesla, Nikola. Expirements with Alternating Currents. Gordon Press
Publishers, 7/86
Library binding $250.00
Tesla, Nikola. Nikola Tesla: Colorado Springs Notes 1899-1900. Gordon Press
Publishers, 8/86
Library binding $250.00
Cheney, Margaret. Tesla: Man out of Time. Dell Publishing Co., Inc, 8/83
320 p. $18.95
Tesla, Nikola. My Inventions: The Autobiography of Nikola Tesla. Hart Bothers
Publishing. 10/82
110 p. / paperback / ill. $10.00
Bearden, T E. Solutions to Tesla's Secrets & the Soviet Tesla Weapons with
Reference Articles for Solutions to Tesla's Secrets. Tesla Book Co., 1/82
188 p. / paperback / ill. $14.00
Norman, Ruth E. Tesla Speaks. Unarius Publications, 1973.
ill.
Tesla, Nikola. Tribute to: Museum. Vanous, Arthur, Co., 1961.
572 p. $60.00
Hayes, Jeffery A. Boundary Layer Breakthrough: The Bladeless Tesla Turbine.
High Energy Enterprises
184 p. / Tesla tech. ser.; Vol2 $19.95
Tesla, Nikola. Colorado Springs Notes 1899 - 1900. Angriff Press, [?]
440 p. $40.00
Tesla, Nikola. Experiments with A. C. & Transmission of Electric Energy
Without Wires. Angriff Press,
162 p. $10.00
Tesla, Nikola. Inventions, Researches, & Writings. Angriff Press, $14.00
Tesla, Nikola. The Problem of Increasing Human Energy. High Energy
Enterprises,
96 p. / paperback / ill. $9.95
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THE GREATEST HACKER OF ALL TIME
by Dave Small
(c) 1987 Reprinted from Current Notes magazine.
The question comes up from time to time. "Who's the
greatest hacker ever? "Well, there's a lot of different opinions
on this. Some say Steve Wozniak of Apple II fame. Maybe Andy
Hertzfeld of the Mac operating system. Richard Stallman, say
others, of MIT. Yet at such times when I mention who I think the
greatest hacker is, everyone agrees (provided they know of him),
and there's no further argument. So, let me introduce you to him,
and his greatest hack. I'll warn you right up front that it's
mind numbing. By the way, everything I'm going to tell you is
true and verifiable down at your local library. Don't worry --
we're not heading off into a Shirley MacLaine UFO-land story.
Just some classy electrical engineering...
THE SCENE: COLORADO SPRINGS, CO.
Colorado Springs is in southern Colorado, about 70 mile
south of Denver. These days it is known as the home of several
optical disk research corporations and of NORAD, the missile
defense command under Cheyenne Mountain. (I have a personal
interest in Colorado Springs; my wife Sandy grew up there.)
These events took place some time ago in Colorado Springs. A
scientist had moved into town and set up a laboratory on Hill
Street, on the southern outskirts. The lab had a two hundred
foot copper antenna sticking up out of it, looking something like
a HAM radio enthusiast's antenna. He moved in and started work.
And strange electrical things happened near that lab. People
would walk near the lab, and sparks would jump up from the ground
to their feet, through the soles of their shoes. One boy took a
screwdriver, held it near a fire hydrant, and drew a four inch
electrical spark from the hydrant. Sometimes the grass around
his lab would glow with an eerie blue corona, St. Elmo's Fire.
What they didn't know was this was small stuff. The man in the
lab was merely tuning up his apparatus. He was getting ready to
run it wide open in an experiment that ranks as among the
greatest, and most spectacular, of all time. One side effect of
his experiment was the setting of the record for man-made
lightning: some 42 meters in length (130 feet).
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THE MAN: NIKOLA TESLA.
His name was Nikola Tesla. He was an immigrant from what is now
Yugoslavia; there's a museum of his works in Belgrade. He's a
virtual unknown in the United States, despite his
accomplishments. I'm not sure why. Some people feel it's a dark
plot, the same people who are into conspiracy theories. I feel
it's more that Tesla, while a brilliant inventor, was also an
awful businessman; he ended up going broke. Businessmen who go
broke fade out of the public eye; we see this in the computer
industry all the time. Edison, who wasn't near the inventor
Tesla was, but who was a better businessman, is well remembered
as is his General Electric. Still, let me list a few of Tesla's
works just so you'll understand how bright he was. He invented
the AC motor and transformer. (Think of every motor in your
house.) He invented 3-phase electricity and popularized
alternating current, the electrical distribution system used all
over the world. He invented the Tesla Coil, which makes the high
voltage that drives the picture tube in your computer's CRT. He
is now credited with inventing modern radio as well; the Supreme
Court overturned Marconi's patent in 1943 in favor of Tesla.
Tesla, in short, invented much of the equipment that gets
power to your home every day from miles away, and many that use
that power inside your home. His inventions made George
Westinghouse (Westinghouse Corp.) a wealthy man. Finally, the
unit of magnetic flux in the metric system is the "tesla". Other
units include the "faraday" and the "henry", so you'll understand
this is an honor given to few. So we're not talking about an
unknown here, but rather a solid electrical engineer. Tesla
whipped through a number of inventions early in his life. He
found himself increasingly interested in resonance, and in
particular, electrical resonance. Tesla found out something
fascinating. If you set an electrical circuit to resonating, it
does strange things indeed. Take for instance his Tesla Coil.
This high frequency step-up transformer would kick out a few
hundred thousand volts at radio frequencies. The voltage would
come off the top of his coil as a "corona", or brush discharge.
The little ones put out a six-inch spark; the big ones throw
sparks many feet long. Yet Tesla could draw the sparks to his
fingers without being hurt -- the high frequency of the
electricity keeps it on the surface of the skin, and prevents the
current from doing any harm. Tesla got to thinking about
resonance on a large scale. He'd already pioneered the
electrical distribution system we use today, and that's not small
thinking; when you think of Tesla, think big. He thought, let's
say I send an electrical charge into the ground. What happens to
it? Well, the ground is an excellent conductor of electricity.
Let me spend a moment on this so you understand, because
topsoil doesn't seem very conductive to most. The ground
makes a wonderful sinkhole for electricity. This is why you
"ground" power tools; the third (round) pin in every AC outlet in
your house is wired straight to, literally, the ground.
Typically, the handle of your power tool is hooked to ground
this way, if something shorts out in the tool and the handle gets
electrified,the current ruches to the ground instead of into you.
The ground has long been used in this manner, as a conductor.
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Tesla generates a powerful pulse of electricity, and drains
it into the ground. Because the ground is conductive, it doesn't
stop. Rather, it spreads out like a radio wave, traveling at the
speed of light, 186,000 miles per second. And it keeps going,
because it's a powerful wave; it doesn't peter out after a few
miles. It passes through the iron core of the earth with little
trouble. After all, molten iron is very conductive. When the wave
reaches the far side of the planet, it bounces back, like a wave
in water bounces when it reaches an obstruction. Since it
bounces, it makes a return trip; eventually, it returns to the
point of origin. Now, this idea might seem wild. But it isn't
science fiction. We bounced radar beams off the moon in the
1950's, and we mapped Venus by radar in the 1970's. Those planets
are millions of miles away. The earth is a mere 3000 miles
in diameter; sending an electromagnetic wave through it is a
piece of cake. We can sense earthquakes all the way across the
planet by the vibrations they set up that travel all that
distance. So, while at first thought it seems amazing, it's
really pretty straight forward. But, as I said, it's a typical
example of how Tesla thought. And then he had one of his
typically Tesla ideas.
He thought, when the wave returns to me (about 1/30th of a
second after he sends it in), it's going to be considerably
weakened by the trip. Why doesn't he send in another charge at
this point, to strengthen the wave? The two will combine, go out,
and bounce again. And then he'll reinforce it again, and again.
The wave will build up in power. It's like pushing a swingset.
You give a series of small pushes each time the swing goes out.
And you build up a lot of power with a series of small pushes;
ever tried to stop a swing when it's going full tilt? He wanted
to find out the upper limit of resonance. And he was in for a
surprise.
THE HACK: THE TESLA COIL
So Tesla moved into Colorado Springs, where one of his generators
and electrical systems had been installed, and set up his lab.
Why Colorado Springs? Well, his lab in New York had burned down,
and he was depressed about that. And as fate would have it, a
friend in Colorado Springs who directed the power company,
Leonard Curtis, offered him free electricity. Who could resist
that? After setting up his lab, he tuned his gigantic Tesla coil
through that year, trying to get it to resonate perfectly with
the earth below. And the townspeople noticed those weird
effects; Tesla was electrifying the ground beneath their feet on
the return bounce of the wave. Eventually, he got it tuned,
keeping things at low power. But in the spirit of a true hacker,
just once he decided to run it wide open, just to see what would
happen. Just what was the upper limit of the wave he would build
up, bouncing back and forth in the planet below? He had his Coil
hooked to the ground below it, the 200 foot antenna above it, and
getting as much electricity as he wanted right off the city power
supply mains. Tesla went outside to watch (wearing three inch
rubber soles for insulation) and had his assistant, Kolman Czito,
turn the Coil on. There was a buzz from rows of oil capacitors,
and a roar from the spark gap as wrist-thick arcs jumped across
it. Inside the lab the noise was deafening. But Tesla was
outside, watching the antenna. Any surge that returned to the
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area would run up the antenna and jump off as lightning. Off the
top of the antenna shot a six foot lightning bolt. The bolt kept
going in a steady arc, though, unlike a single lightning flash.
And here Tesla watched carefully, for he wanted to see if the
power would build up, if his wave theory would work. Soon the
lightning was twenty feet long, then fifty. The surges were
growing more powerful. Eighty feet -- now thunder was following
each lightning bolt. A hundred feet, a hundred twenty feet; the
lightning shot upwards off the antenna. Thunder was heard
booming around Tesla now (it was heard 22 miles away, in the town
of Cripple Creek). The meadow Tesla was standing in was lit up
with an electrical discharge very much like St. Elmo's Fire,
casting a blue glow. His theory had worked! There didn't seem
to be an upper limit to the surges; he was creating the most
powerful electrical surges ever created by man. That moment he
set the record, which he still holds, for manmade lightning. Then
everything halted. The lightning discharges stopped, the thunder
quit. He ran in, found the power company had turned off his
power feed. He called them, shouted at them -- they were
interrupting his experiment! The foreman replied that Tesla had
just overloaded the generator and set it on fire, his lads were
busy putting out the fire in the windings, and it would be a cold
day in hell before Tesla got any more free power from the
Colorado Springs power company!
All the lights in Colorado Springs had gone out. And that,
readers, is to me the greatest hack in history. I've seen some
amazing hacks. The 8-bit Atari OS. The Mac OS. The phone
company computers -- well, lots of computers. But I've never
seen anyone set the world's lightning record and shut off the
power to an entire town, "just to see what would happen". For a
few moments, there in Colorado Springs, he achieved something
never before done. He had used the entire planet as a conductor,
and sent a pulse through it. In that one moment in the summer of
1899, he made electrical history. That's right, in 1899 -- darn
near a hundred years ago. Well, you may say to yourself, that's
a nice story, and I'm sure George Lucas could make a hell of a
move about it, special effects and all. But it's not relevant
today. Or isn't it? Hang on to your hat.
THE SDI AND THE TESLA COIL
Last month we talked about an amazing hack that Nikola Tesla
did -- bouncing an electrical wave through the planet, in 1899,
and setting the world's record for manmade lightning. This
month,let me lay a little political groundwork. Last October I
attended Hackercon 2.0, another gathering of computer hackers
from all over. It was an informal weekend at a camp in the hills
west of Santa Clara. One of the more interesting memories of
Hackers 2.0 were the numerous diatribes against the Strategic
Defense Initiative. Most speakers claimed it was impossible,
citing technical problems. So many people felt obligated to
complain about SDI that the conference was jokingly called
"SDIcon 2.0". Probably the high(?) point of the conference was
Jerry Pournelle and Timothy Leary up on stage debating SDI. I'll
leave the description to your imagination -- it was everything
you can think of and more. Personally, I was disturbed to see
how many gifted hackers adopting the attitude of "let's not even
try". That's not how micros got started. I mentioned to one
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Time magazine journalist that if anyone could make SDI go, it was
the hackers gathered there. I also believe that the greatest
hacker of them all, Nikola Tesla, solved the SDI technical
problem back in 1899. The event was so long ago, and so amazing,
that it's pretty much been forgotten; I described it last issue.
Let me present my case for the Tesla Coil and SDI.
SOVIET USE OF THE TESLA COIL
You will recall I said that Tesla was born in Yugoslavia
(although back then, it was "Serbo-Croatia"). He is not unknown
there; he is regarded as a national hero. Witness the Nikola
Tesla museum in Belgrade, for instance. There's been
interferences picked up, on this side of the planet, which is
causing problems in the ham radio bands. Direction finding
equipment has traced the interference in the SW band to two
sources in the Soviet Union, which are apparently two high
powered Tesla Coils. Why on earth are the Soviets playing with
Tesla Coils? There's one odd theory that they're subjecting
Canada to low level electrical interference to cause attitude
change. Sigh. Moving right along, there's another theory, more
credible, that they are conducting research in "over the horizon"
radar using Tesla's ideas. (The Soviets are certainly not saying
what they're doing.) When I read about this testing, it worried
me. I don't think they're playing with attitude control or
radar. I think they're doing exactly what Tesla did in Colorado
Springs.
COMPUTERS AND GROUNDING
Time for another discussion of grounding. Consider your
computer equipment. You've doubtlessly been warned about static
electricity, always been told to ground yourself (thus
discharging the static into the ground, an electrical sinkhole)
before touching your computer. Companies make anti-static spray
for your rugs. Static is in the 20,000 to 50,000 volt range.
Computer chips run on five to twelve volts. The internal
insulation is built for that much voltage. When they get a shot
of static in the multiple thousand volt range, the insulation is
punctured, and the chip ruined. Countless computers have been
damaged this way. Read any manual on inserting memory chips to a
PC, and you'll see warnings about static; it's a big problem.
Now Tesla was working in the millions of volts range. And his
special idea -- that the ground itself could be the conductor --
now comes into relevance, nearly a hundred years after his
dramatic demonstration in Colorado Springs. For, you see, in our
wisdom we've grounded our many computers, to protect them from
static. We've always assumed the ground is an electrical
sinkhole. So, with our three-pin plugs we ground everything --
the two flat pins in your wall go to electricity (hot and
neutral); the third, round pin, goes straight to ground. That
third pin is usually hooked with a thick wire to a cold water
pipe, which grounds it effectively. Tesla proved that you can
give that ground a terrific charge, millions of volts of high
frequency electricity. (Tesla ran his large coil at 33 Khz).
Remember, the lightning surging off his Coil was coming from the
wave bouncing back and forth in the planet below. In short, he
was modifying the ground's electrical potential, changing it from
an electrical sinkhole to an electrical source. Tesla did his
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experiment in 1899. There weren't any home computers with
delicate chips hooked up to grounds then. If there had been,
he'd have fried everything in Colorado Springs. There was,
however, one piece of electrical equipment grounded at the time
of the experiment, the city power generator. It caught fire and
ended Tesla's experiment. The cause of its failure is
interesting as well. It died from "high frequency kickback",
something most electrical engineers know about. Tesla forgot
that as the generator fed him power, he was feeding it high
frequency from his Coil. High frequency quickly heats
insulation; a microwave oven works on the same principle. In a
few minutes, the insulation inside that generator grew so hot
that the generator caught fire. When the lights went out all over
Colorado Springs, there was the first proof that Tesla's idea has
strategic possibilities. It gets scarier. Imagine Tesla's Coil,
busily pumping an electrical wave in the Earth. On his side of
the planet, he was getting 130 foot sparks, which is a hell of a
lot of voltage and current. And simple wave theory will show you
that those sort of potentials exist on the far side of the planet
as well. Remember, the wave was bouncing back and forth, being
reinforced on every trip. The big question is how focused the
opposite electrical pole will be. No one knows. But it seems
probable that the far side of the planet's ground target area
could be subjected to considerable electrical interference. And
if computer equipment is plugged inot that ground, faithfully
assuming the ground will never be a source of electricity, it's
just too bad for that equipment. This sort of electrical
interference makes static look tiny by comparison. It doesn't
take much difference in ground potential to kill a computer
connected across it. Lightning strikes cause a temporary flare
in ground voltage; I remember replacing driver chips on a network
on all computers that had been caught by one lightning strike,
when I lived in Austin. Imagine the effect on relatively delicate
electronics if someone fires up a Tesla Coil on the far side of
the planet, and subjects the grounds to steep electrical swings.
The military applications are pretty obvious -- those ICBM's in
North Dakota, for instance. It's possible they could be damaged
in their silos, and from thousands of miles away. Running two or
more Coils, you don't have to bee exactly on the far side of the
planet, either. Interference effects can give you high points
where you need with varied tunings. Maybe, just maybe, the
Soviets aren't doing "over the horizon" radar. Maybe they just
bothered to read Tesla's notes. And maybe they are tuning up a
real big surprise with their twin Coils.
"STAR WARS" AND THE TESLA COIL
You've heard of the Strategic Defense Initiative, or "Star
Wars". We're searching for a way to stop a nuclear attack.
Right now, we've got all sorts of high powered research projects,
with the emphasis on "new technology". Excimer laser, kinetic
kill techniques, and even more exotic ideas. As any of you know
that have written computer programs, it's darned hard to get
something "new" to work. Maybe it's an error to focus on "new"
exclusively. Wouldn't it be something if the solution to SDI
lies a hundred years ago, in the forgotten brilliance of Nikola
Tesla? For right now we can immobilize the electronics of
installations half a planet away. The technology to do it was
achieved in 1899, and promptly forgotten. Remember, we're not
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talking vague, unproven theories here. We're talking the world's
record for lightning, and the inventor whose power system lights
up your house at night.
THE TESLA COIL WORKS.
All we'd have to do is build it. You might not believe the
story about Tesla in Colorado Springs, and what he did. It's
pretty amazing. It has a way of being forgotten because of that.
And I'm not sure you want to hear about the SDI connection.
Still, as you work on a computer, remember Tesla. His Tesla Coil
supplies the high voltage for the picture tube you use. The
electricity for your computer comes from a Tesla design AC
generator, is sent through a Tesla transformer, and gets to your
house through 3-phase Tesla power. Tesla's inventions... they
have a way of working..
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From the November, 1958 FATE magazine.
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Townsend Brown and his Anti-Gravity Discs
by Gaston Burridge
Thomas Townsend Brown has been flying strange metal saucer-like
discs of his own secret design and make for more than 30 years -
some big ones too, up to 30 inches in diameter!
Mostly, Brown has flown his discs in good old common air. The discs
are tethered to a mast or pole and the thin, double-saucer-like
things fly a circle around and around the mast in free flight.
Only a slight hum is audible as they fly. In the dark they glow
with an eerie lavender light, revealing their motive power which is
a kind of electricity.
Many scientists and engineers have watched these discs fly. Under
their breath, and sometimes out loud, most of them have said the
force which makes Brown's discoids spin is one which every high-
school physics student knows about - "Electric Wind" - and not a new
principle Brown has discovered at all!
One engineer told me, "The whole thing is so screwball I don't want
to even talk about it!" Another said, "The device is only about
one-tenth of one percent efficient." Both these statements have
since been proved incorrect! Most other engineers object to the
lack of mathematical substantiation presented by Brown. To
engineers and scientists one equation is worth a thousand words!
But even an equation is of little use unless it has values assigned
to at least some of its main parts. When these were not
forthcoming, from a technical point of view, it appeared Brown was
walking on straw legs.
Then recently Brown went to France. Under what was virtually a
French Government sponsored program of research, Air-France
successfully flew some of the Brown discs in a HIGH VACUUM!
And that took all the "electric wind" out of the previously
dissenting sails1 These tests were of a highly secret nature and,
because of this, and, because they were made in a foreign nation,
their results REMAIN CLASSIFIED.
One by one, U.S. engineering and scientific heads are beginning to
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show above the storm cellars. It is now quietly admitted that
perhaps Brown may have something after all!
One thing he DOES have which he has not had before is a sponsor!
Perhaps that is the reason for the heads showing from the cellars.
There is nothing quite like having financial backing.
What do Brown's inventions mean? Another kind, type, or arrangement
of high-speed flight, both within our own atmosphere and in the
space beyond it!
How will it compare as a motive force with the rocket motors and the
jet engines of today? Of course, we cannot say yet but there is
nothing to indicate Brown's method will not compete most favorably
with them. Brown's method has definite "anti-gravitic potentials'
which their rockets or jets do not have. Because of present patent
situations many details of the Brown system must be by-passed here,
but it seems they represent no small item in the total picture of
space flight.
Since 1923 Brown and his family have spent nearly $250,000 of their
own funds on experiments and research into the mysteries of that
strangest of strange electrical phenomenon, the "Biefeld-Brown
Effect". Electrical literature contains few writings on this
subject, mostly because Brown has maintained a tight grip on the
information and has not seen fit to write on the matter
scientifically or otherwise. No one else has seemed inclined to
research the matter. What is more American scientific journals are
open to few ideas that DO NOT ORIGINATE with men CONNECTED WITH
LARGE UNIVERSITY or COMMERCIAL RESEARCH LABORATORIES!
I first heard of Townsend Brown and his Biefeld-Brown Effect from
Mr. Arlin C. Hauser. Hauser is a designer and builder of fine
technical instruments in Pasadena who doesn't hold an idea at arms-
length because it is "new". Hauser furnished me a copy of a
monograph titled, "A SIMPLIFIED EXPLANATION OF THE APPLICATION OF
THE BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT TO THE SOLUTION OF THE PROBLEMS OF SPACE
NAVIGATION". This monograph was published by Dr. Mason Rose,
president of the University for Social Research, Los Angeles, but
was actually written, I learned later, by Mr. Bradford Shank, a
nuclear scientist, formally of Los Alamos, now engaged in
engineering work for a Los Angeles aircraft valve manufacturer.
Some of the information set forth in this monograph rang a bell way
back in my memory.
Between 1919 and 1925 I was "errand boy" in a laboratory conducting
experiments with high potential, high frequency alternating
currents. We were playing with a million volts at 750,000 cycles
per second! A new type of electrical condenser had been built and
was to be tested. It was hooked into the circuit but was not
"bolted down" - it was heavy.
The director stood at the switchboard; the rest of us at a
respectful distance away. The switch was thrown. There was a hum,
a bursting flash of green and purple light, a loud bang, a violent
lurch and twist of the new condenser and that piece of apparatus lay
a smoking ruin! The director said, "Gentlemen, our baby has grown
up!"
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It is this movement manifest in an electrical condenser which is the
essence of the Biefeld-Brown Effect. This movement makes the Effect
highly interesting as an anti-gravitic force!
The Biefeld-Brown Effect says an electrical condenser, when charged,
will MOVE TORWARD its positive pole and remain so positioned UNTIL
DISCHARGED, if free to do so, regardless of WHICH POLE or WHICH SIDE
of the dielectric is made positive.
This movement does not disregard the time-honored "law" which
indicates every action carries within it an equal reaction. The
reaction, as in gravitation, is present BUT NOT OBVIOUS. The
reaction is a finite but vanishingly small movement of all the other
matter in the Universe. But the nearest masses are affected first
and most!
The Effect was first observed when the condenser plates were charged
with a DIRECT CURRENT. But the experience noted above, which was
observed subsequently during other experiments, indicates something
of the same phenomenon is present when condensers are charged with
ALTERNATING current also - but probably not as effectively or as
lastingly.
While these alternating current condenser MOVEMENTS were noted at
the time, especially when the condensers were initially charged
after a long and complete discharge, those directing the research
then believed the movements were due to resonances set up within the
apparatus by the 60-cycle feed currents. Thus, this phenomenon,
though noted, was never investigated by the group to which I was
attached.
This electrical condenser movement is believed to have been first
perceived and examined by Dr. Paul Alfred Biefeld, professor of
physics and astronomy, Denison University, Granville, Ohio, sometime
before 1923.
However, search of the Denison University's own published scientific
records does not indicate Dr. Biefeld wrote anything regarding this
discovery while there. Dr. Lawrence Biefeld, a son of Dr. Paul
Alfred Biefeld, writes me that he does not recall his father ever
having mentioned discovering such an effect! However, Mr. Bradford
Shank who has been intimately associated with several phases of the
Townsend Brown Foundation and its work for several years relates
that Dr. Biefeld did originate the initial research into the Effect
itself and also directed Townsend Brown, then a student at Denision
University, in Brown's early interest in the matter.
Although the Effect may have been recognized first by Dr. Biefeld, a
greater part of the development research and ALL the practical
application of it has been carried on by Brown - mostly at his own
expense, over a period of more than 30 years.
Apparently the Effect was named by someone else writing a report on
the subject. But had it not been for Townsend Brown's long interest
and research this Effect might remain unrecorded and unexploited
still!
Evidence indicates the entire Universe, from the greatest systems of
stars and their planets down to the smallest atom and its parts -
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hydrogen - operates on only three basic forces - electricity,
magnetism and gravitation. These three forces may be entirely
separate and different or they may be only different phases of the
same force, a Universal force we have not yet distinguished as such.
Regardless of this, we know the relationship between electricity and
magnetism and we know this relationship is brought about and
maintained by the very simple COIL OF WIRE!
It is quite possible, through the Biefeld-Brown Effect, we have come
upon the relationship between electricity and gravitation, a
relationship being brought about and maintained through the very
simple electrical condenser!
If each of these three forces is considered separately, we find
little of practical value in any of them! It is only through
combinations of two, and perhaps more, that we begin to use them.
Aside from the researches into the Biefeld-Brown Effect carried on
by Mr. Brown science has done practically nothing toward developing
the relationship between electricity and gravitation.
Most scientists today will admit a weak COUPLING EFFECT DOES EXIST
BETWEEN GRAVITATION AND ELECTRICITY but any practical use of this
coupling effect they deny!
Standing almost alone in this belief Mr. Brown has maintained his
position regarding the matter stubbornly, faithfully, and devotedly.
If a simple, two-plate electrical condenser (FIGURE 1) is suspended
by a cord in such a way as to allow it complete freedom to to move
in any direction, except downward of course, and this condenser is
charged with the proper amount and pressure of direct electric
current the instrument will swing TOWARD the side holding the
POSITIVE CHARGE.
If this same condenser is discharged, the positive and negative
wires switched and connected oppositely, when recharged the
condenser will swing in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
If the condenser is placed upon one side of a balanced beam (FIGURE
2) with enough weight opposite it to continue the balance and if the
positive pole is pointed up, when the condenser is charged the
weight on the opposite side of the beam will fall and the entire
condenser WILL RISE!
This shows that some of the "weight" of the condenser has been
relieved. If the positive pole now is reversed, when the condenser
is again charged the weight on the opposite end of the beam WILL BE
LIFTED! This illustrates gravitic affect.
This is the Biefeld-Brown Effect. As far is now known it is the
only method of affecting the gravitational field electrically!
However, apparently there are several other research programs now
under way attempting to establish an electro-gravitic relationship.
One of the mysteries of this Effect is that it APPEARS TO BE
AFFECTED BY TIME! Time does not do away with the Effect completely,
but it does appear to minimize it temporarily. This was noted first
by Brown during experiments located in a closed room.
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He watched his discs through a telescope from outside the room.
Brown observed that after a time the discs did not swing quite so
far as initially, in either direction, with the same electric
charge. I understood from Mr. Shank that this point was discussed
with Albert Einstein but what Mr. Einstein had to say remains
unknown to me.
The phenomenon might be accounted for by subtle atomic structural
breakdowns in the dielectric material, or in the plate material, or
both. After a time, following a complete discharge, these
breakdowns mend themselves.
The intensity with which the Biefeld-Brown Effect may act is
determined by five factors. Ultimate intensity cannot possibly be
obtained by a combined use of all five factors - each in their
separate ultimates! A compromise must be made. This is not as
grave a disadvantage as it might seem at first, for it will allow an
almost endless arrangement of factors in any given disc or ship.
The best combination of these then may be chosen and applied to a
wide variety of practical conditions which will surely arise in
everyday aeronautical or astronautical flight.
1) PROXIMITY OF PLATES
The first factor regulating the intensity of the Effect is
controlled by the closeness at which the condenser's plates can
be set. If the charging pressure - or voltage - is high then
the plates will have to be farther apart than for lower voltages
-using the same dielectric. If it is necessary to charge the
condenser quickly a higher voltage is needed than if more time
can be taken. Hence, the closer the condenser plates the
greated the Effect gained - other circumstances remaining the
same.
2) DIELECTRIC CONSTANT
The second factor is the ability of the material chosen as a
dielectric to store electrical energy. There are many kinds of
dielectrics: glass, mica, rubber, paper, bakelite, air,
ceramics, and many of the plastics. A dielectric is any
material which opposes the flow of an electric current and at
the same time is capable of storing the electrical energy as an
"elastic stress."
The action resembles the squeezing of a soft rubber ball. The
muscles in your hand represent the electric voltage. They
squeeze the ball's sides together. The sides remain squeezed
until your muscles release their pressure, then the sides jump
back into their original shape.
A dielectric will absorb an electric charge until its capacity
has been reached. Then it will either hold that charge as long
as the charging force is present, or it will rupture and the
pressure will leak away, or if the accumulated pressure becomes
greater than the charging pressure it will discharge itself back
into the charging circuit! This last can raise the devil!
Some dielectrics are capable of absorbing a great quantity of
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electrical energy if that energy is applied slowly at moderate
pressure, but they break down if called upon to act quickly.
Other dielectrics, like lead-free glass, can be charged and
discharged thousands of times a second at high pressures. The
measure of a dielectric's ability is called the "K" of the
material. The higher the K, the greater is the Biefeld-Brown
Effect.
3) INTENSITY
A third factor in creating intensity of the Effect is the AREA
of the dielectric's charging plates. The discs are used
edgewise, and the greater their area, the greater the Effect
obtained.
4) VOLTAGE
A fourth factor has to do with the VOLTAGE, or pressure used to
charge the condenser's plates. The higher the voltage, the
greater the Effect.
Also, the higher the voltage the shorter the time required to
charge a given condenser size. But the voltage must not be so
high as to puncture the dielectric, the condenser is
permanently, or temporarily ruined - depending upon its ability
to "heal" itself. Solid dielectrics cannot heal themselves.
Fluids heal themselves almost as soon as punctured. (the reason
for using OIL filled capacitors...Vangard)
5) MASS (SURFACE AREA)
The fifth and last factor is the MASS ofthe dielectric. The
greater the mass, the larger the Effect.
These points all are important. They make it clear that by a not
too complicated electrical arrangement which allows the changing of
many positive pole positions at will an astronautical vehicle could
be controlled.
Since a circle contains the greatest number of square units of
surface for a given dimension (a torus has even greater surface
area...Vangard), it seems obvious that a shallow, disc-shaped
vehicle could use this type of energy field to greatest advantage.
It would be charged differently than the models because it could
carry its own charging equipment on board.
The input energy of some models tested in California quite some time
ago (they do not represent present experimental attainments) was
about 50 watts, or the requirements of a small light bulb.
The weight of these units was about 1200 grams, or around 42 ounces,
or near two and 6/10 pounds. The efficiency of propulsion was 2%.
Unless scientific findings are discounted, we must assume the
voltage of atmospheric electricity rises as the distance from the
earth's surface increases.
At low altitudes we sometimes record an increase of 100 volts for
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EVERY THREE FEET IN ELEVATION. But this increase RISES WITH
ALTITUDE. It is believed that in that ionosphere a potential of 100
volts may occur within only four inches!
Even though a discoid-shaped vehicle could be relatively thin,
compared to its diameter, still it would be many times four inches
thick. Hence, it would be subjected to tremendous differentials of
external electric pressure over its extreme dimensions.
How will this affect the Biefeld-Brown Effect - or any electrically
propelled vehicle? Some say, not at all. Others see it as a
sizable barrier!
Anti-gravity devices apparently are being experimented with from a
number of directions. Once any one of them becomes practical a
whole new horizon will unfold before mankind.
At the present time (1958) some 19 patent applications, covering the
Biefeld-Brown Effect and its various applied forms, are being worked
on. A new laboratory is also being built. Will Mr. Brown be the
first Earthman to build and fly a FLYING SAUCER?
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The Law of Equilibrium includes Density. All things Rise or
Fall to their own Density. This density can consist of energy
in many forms, electric, magnetic, tachyon, etc.
Note the remark regarding the higher voltage potentials in the
upper atmosphere. Both the Brown disc and the Searle disc rely
on very high voltage potentials to provide lift. The question
is whether the electricity seeks its own upper atmosphere level
or does it cause some kind of stress in some other type of
energy to cause repulsion from the Earth surface or ATTRACTION
TO A LAYER EQUIVALENT TO ITS OWN.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: My Enounters, Opinions
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> From: cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister)
> Date: 16 Jul 91 17:29:43 GMT
> Organization: Mississippi State University
> Message-ID: <1201@ra.MsState.Edu>
> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
> 3. I firmly beleive UFOs/intelligent life exist, the evidence is
> overwhelming,
> I think the most documented phonomena in world history and the GOVT
> is cov
> ering up. My personal belief is that these creatures are demons/evil
> spirits/
> in some physical bodies, as it seems by other posts, others beleive
> this
> also. I am a Christian and have tried to weigh the evidence of what
> they
> MIGHT be, and that is the only logical conclusion I could come up
> with.
I would be very interested in hearing your arguments for this belief.
> 4. What are these 'new' findings of JFK being shot from his car?
That is highly unreliable information. There is a film circulating around
that allegedly shows the driver turn and fire a gun, however it is obvious
that the film is "doctored."
> 5. What is this about a coverup about MLK Jr?
I don't know. What have you heard?
> 6. Underground bases in the Colorados etc..
There are probably lots of underground bases. Would this be so unusual?
> 7. ANyone on here from Gulf Breeze and see UFO's all the time? I'd like
> some info on stuff.
>
> 8. Is there an ftp site with archives of old _arge_ postings of stuff,
> the
> ones like with 700 or so lines of stuff, I would be interested.
Our network has a large ftp site at uiowa.edu. It is anonymous too.
> 9. Arer there any UFO boards that I could subscribe to, any info would
> be
> helpful.
Contact me at mcorbin@scicom.alphacd.com for information on my network,
ParaNet. You can also be placed on our list server by sending your request to
infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com. Our digest is very interesting and seriously
covers this subject, including the abduction phenomenon.
Thanks,
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: A Way Out Of Here.
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> From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
> Date: 16 Jul 91 17:33:13 GMT
> Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
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> Last week a person by the name of Oscar the Grouch made the
> statement something like this; what is the use anyway we're
> never going to make it out of here anyway. To this statement
> I'd like to submit the following opinion; it the past I've
> mentioned a person by the name of Elling Bentsen from Oslo,
> Norway who is a UFO book writer. What I didn't mention is that
> he claims to be in contact with the peoploe from Proximina Centauri
> which is 25 trillion miles away. The people from there say they
> have found us to have problems of over population and polution.
> They say they have a planet called PC22 that is a lot like our
> Earth was l50 years ago. They say by l994 they will bring their
> space ships and anyone can go that so desires. I'll leave you
> with this saying; the only way we're going to get out of here
> alive is get on the ball.
What really amazes me about all of this alleged "space brothers" stuff is that
we continue hearing the same thing, and have done so for the last forty years.
Why don't the "brothers" provide solutions instead of empty promises of
teleportation off of this rock? It would be better to fix the problems here
than to go somewhere else and have them all over again. Agree? Or, better,
would it not be in their best interest to teach us a better way? No. I don't
think that they have much on the ball either.
Mike
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Subject: Alien Hand?
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> From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
> Date: 17 Jul 91 03:21:10 GMT
> Organization: The Search For TERRESTRIAL Intelligence
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> Kim Mikules has an offer he thinks you can't refuse. AI-TRAD, the
> organization he works for, will give $500,000 to anyone who can
> produce
> evidence of E.T.'s.
I can offer some advice following a brief investigation of this group: LET
THE BUYER BEWARE!
Don Ecker has further information on them, if you would care to access him via
ParaNet's ASK UFO Magazine conference on the network, or via infopara.
Mike
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Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
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Date: 18 Jul 91 04:04:26 GMT
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In article <1991Jul15.121750.1091@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
The Roswell incident has been attributed to lightning, and others in the
area to radar. It's conceivable, though I don't know how probable, that
the alleged aliens don't have either of these things back home.
Nobody knows what caused the alleged Kecksburg PA crash, or the dubious one
in Ontario. The other extremely dubious one in South Africa was a
shoot-down with some type of particle beam weapon.
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From: bradleyt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Todd Bradley)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.paranormal,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: FILE: WPAT.TXT - UFO's at Wright Patterson?
Message-ID: <1991Jul18.171421.29760@colorado.edu>
Date: 18 Jul 91 17:14:21 GMT
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In article <1991Jul17.182412.29452@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mas35638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Stangel) writes:
>Why do you suppose the military never responds to these posts? I have
>no doubt that someone in the Air Force is reading these things. I am
>also aware that whoever is reading them probably does not have the
>authority to make a statement regarding AF policy, but were this any
>other media I guarantee you'd hear from a spokesperson.
>
>
Give me a break. What do you expect them to say?
If they do have alien bodies or vehicles, the information
is surely so classified that nobody has the authority to
release it.
If they don't have alien bodies or vehicles, what is there
to announce?
Todd.
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>| dress really interestingly." | m-stangel@uiuc.edu |
>| | koosh forever! |
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From: revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: A way out of here.
Message-ID: <HwZa64w164w@cellar.UUCP>
Date: 18 Jul 91 23:17:52 GMT
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ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
> In article <91197.093313JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU says:
> >They say they have a planet called PC22 that is a lot like our
> >Earth was l50 years ago. They say by l994 they will bring their
> >space ships and anyone can go that so desires. I'll leave you
>
> 'Don't go....To Serve Man....it's a cookbook!!'
>
> (thanks Harlan)
Harlan? Nahh, not Harlan. The original story was Damon Knight's.
Rev. P-K-- "However, 'The Terminator' was more than a shade 'influenced' by
the segments Ellison wrote for 'The Outer Limits.'"
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From: mas35638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Stangel)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.paranormal,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: FILE: WPAT.TXT - UFO's at Wright Patterson?
Message-ID: <1991Jul19.032458.20942@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 19 Jul 91 03:24:58 GMT
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Todd missed my point. If the Chicago Tribune reported that the USAF
was keeping alien bodies/ships at Wright Pat, you'd hear a denial
within hours. They apparently don't take the net as a valid method
of communication, despite the fact that its readership is huge...
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| dress really interestingly." | m-stangel@uiuc.edu |
| | koosh forever! |
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Message-ID: <jms.5231@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 18 Jul 91 03:57:38 GMT
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It's a possibility, and one I hadn't thought of. Thanks!
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
Message-ID: <jms.5233@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 18 Jul 91 04:04:26 GMT
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In article <1991Jul15.121750.1091@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
The Roswell incident has been attributed to lightning, and others in the
area to radar. It's conceivable, though I don't know how probable, that
the alleged aliens don't have either of these things back home.
Nobody knows what caused the alleged Kecksburg PA crash, or the dubious one
in Ontario. The other extremely dubious one in South Africa was a
shoot-down with some type of particle beam weapon.
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From: ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Incompetant Aliens
Message-ID: <1991Jul18.110225.1147@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
Date: 18 Jul 91 10:02:25 GMT
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In article <8408@spdcc.SPDCC.COM>, rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) writes:
> ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
>
> Well, see their ships are ozone powered... :-)
>
> What's even stranger is that they continually pick up
> and mutilate cattle... What sort of info do they gain from their
> 7,893rd cow?
>
Personally I think they've read too many Gary Larson cartoons and are
desperately trying to work out which species to ally themselves with.
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From: kizn@dorsai.com (Daniel Delvalle)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Keywords: ufo encounter
Message-ID: <eZV051w163w@dorsai.com>
Date: 18 Jul 91 08:55:37 GMT
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mru@unislc.uucp (Mara Ulis) writes:
> In article <625@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600hubb@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Richard Hubbell) wri
> >Did anyone see a show that had a piece on a ufo encounter in Texas?
> >I saw part of it tonite (7-10-91) I missed a portion of it when
> >signal went out from channel 6. A woman, her mother, and a child
> >were driving when they saw some kind of craft. They stopped and the
> >woman got out of the car to look at the ufo. The encounter lasted about
> >ten minutes. The ufo was hovering the whole time. The ufo left and
> >the woman got into the car as they were leaving a squadron of
> >helicopters approached (the older woman counted 23 helicopters) she
> >described them as the type with to rotors. Approx. 6 hours later they
> >all became ill. The mother had the worst symptoms, followed by the
> >child and then the older woman. According to the physician treating her
> >she suffered from radiation exposure. Her skin was burned and she
> >eventually lost her hair. A ufo researcher went to the site where
> >this occurred and verified a dark patch of the asphalt that had been
> >scarred by intense heat. I think his name was Schlouser(sp.) he also
> >was told later that some trucks had gone to the site and removed all
> >traces of the burnt asphalt and replaced it with new.
> > At first the Air Force acknowledged that something did
> >occur but then they went back on there original claim and denied that
> >anything happened. I'd like to hear more about this incident if
> >anyone can add more info. It happened 10 years ago in late 1980
> >in Texas(Dayton?). All three are still alive but the woman has been
> >diagnosed with cancer and the older woman and child still also
> >suffer from strange illnesses.
> >
> >RH
> >
> >--
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >" University of California Santa Barbara Richard Hubbell "
> >"6600hubb@ -> Inet:ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu;Bitnet:ucsbuxa.bitnet;UUCP:ucsbuxa "
> >_______________________________________________________________________
>
> You are referring to the Andreasson Affair. The MUFON investigator
> was John Schussler(sp). There are some books out about this case.
> Also, you might contact MUFON for more information. Their address is
> Walt Andrus, Director 103 Oldtowne Road Seguin, Texas 78155.
> Hope this helps.
>
> Mara Ulis
>
Sorry Mara, But the Andreasson Affair was a CE3 type case that ha@ppened ,
I believe, in the late 70's...Betty Andreasson reported being abducted by
three aliens, while preparing supper for her family at home.
The case Richard reffers to is a CE2 type case that happened in the early
80's.
Betty Cash and two others reported seeing a UFO and about 20 Tandem rotor
Helicopters hovering above a Highway in Dayton Texas.
I recall that after having gotten very little help from the goverment, Ms.
Cash brought a lawsuit against the military to try and find out what type of
radiation she was exposed to.
as far as I know... She might still be dragging it through the courts.
Kizn.
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.paranormal,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: FILE: WPAT.TXT - UFO's at Wright Patterson?
Message-ID: <1991Jul19.010918.23396@bilver.uucp>
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In article <1991Jul17.182412.29452@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mas35638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Stangel) writes:
>Why do you suppose the military never responds to these posts? I have
>no doubt that someone in the Air Force is reading these things. I am
>also aware that whoever is reading them probably does not have the
>authority to make a statement regarding AF policy, but were this any
>other media I guarantee you'd hear from a spokesperson.
>
>
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>| "You've got wonderful bones, great eyes, and you | Mike Stangel |
>| dress really interestingly." | m-stangel@uiuc.edu |
>| | koosh forever! |
>`~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~'
Mike,
I have no doubts that these postings are read by various branches of
the military, as they wend their way through ARPANET and are printed
out. What "secrets" have I un-leashed upon the public that isn't already
widely speculated,talked about and known about on the vaious UFO echoes
of the BBS world? What texts have been published here that the military
doesn't already know about?
Actually, I have a great respect for the military..perhaps they have had
to sit upon a considerable amount of info, that if it all came out in
a great "revelation" could dramatically alter our "way of life" as
regards to religion,commerce,etc.
Methinks (IMHO) that in the beginning of the cover-up, that there was
possibly some noble motives..like the Govt looking at the panic that
Orson Welles created in his Mercury Players presentation of "War of
the Worlds"..so-called "respectable and common sense" people FREAKED
when they thought we were being "invaded" by Martians.
I think that was the motive _in the beginning_...however there is much
literature that has come out within the last 20 years to suggest that
perhaps the military has made "agreements" with the WRONG "aliens"..
Now, I really *don't* expect to see any individual members of the military
come out _up front_ here in a PUBLIC newsgroup and say something either
one way or another. The Govt has more covert methods of dis-information,
which they take advantage of under different "disguises"...
See if you can spot the "agents of dis-info" in this newsgroup..they are
the ones telling you in snide comments that there are NO such thing as
"flying saucers" or an "alien invasion"...the overwhelming evidence,
in my opinion speaks to the contrary.
Just as an aside..here's a little exercise for you...look to see how many
commercials are using UFO's in their spots...
"V" might have more truth in it than you know :-)
Don
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From: revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Incompetant Aliens
Message-ID: <HVXc66w164w@cellar.UUCP>
Date: 20 Jul 91 00:29:16 GMT
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ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> In article <8408@spdcc.SPDCC.COM>, rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) writes:
> > ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> >>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in o
> >>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills cours
> >>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
> >
> > Well, see their ships are ozone powered... :-)
> >
> > What's even stranger is that they continually pick up
> > and mutilate cattle... What sort of info do they gain from their
> > 7,893rd cow?
> >
> Personally I think they've read too many Gary Larson cartoons and are
> desperately trying to work out which species to ally themselves with.
>
>
> Jan
I sort of figured they were just trying to fuck with our heads.
Rev. P-K-- "Say, Zandor! Whaddya say we get a cow, drain it of all the blood,
take a slice out of its insides, and leave it where someone's BOUND to find
it?"
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Rev. Philosopher-King of The First Church of the Divine Otis Redding
revpk@Cellar.UUCP "Ecrasez l'enfame!" - Voltaire
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From: UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: t'would make an unusual trophy...
Message-ID: <91200.212108UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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In article <9408@awdprime.UUCP>, craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
says:
>
>Just out of curiousity, are there any reports/stories of people ever
>
>a) shooting (or attempting to shoot) a UFO? (ie, with a rifle, handgun, etc).
>b) shooting (or attempting to shoot) an extraterrestrial?
>
>If so, I'd be interested in hearing about such incidents (and any
>reported consequences).
>
>Thanks!
I seem to remember reading once about a family (in Texas?) who
saw a UFO land in their back yard. When the aliens tried to
come towards the house, the owners shot at them, hitting some.
Apparently, the aliens were wearing some sort of protective
suit that seemed to make the bullets ricochet off. The family
managed to keep the aliens at bay for over 3 hours. When the
sheriff arrived later, he said he wasn't sure what had happened
but that since these were normal and sane people, and he knew
them well, there must have been something out there that they
shot at. He found over 300 empty shells of various calibers
ranging from .22's up to 30-30's. The sheriff said these people
were not the kind to try to attract attention to themselves
so he didn't think it was a hoax. I'll try to find the article
again and if I find it, I'll post it here.
George Newell
umasp@maine.maine.edu
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From: cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: My Enounters, Opinions
Message-ID: <cee1.679976321@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Date: 20 Jul 91 02:18:41 GMT
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Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
[..my old header deleted...]
> > 3. I firmly beleive UFOs/intelligent life exist, the evidence is
> > overwhelming,
> > I think the most documented phonomena in world history and the GOVT
> > is cov
> > ering up. My personal belief is that these creatures are demons/evil
> > spirits/
> > in some physical bodies, as it seems by other posts, others beleive
> > this
> > also. I am a Christian and have tried to weigh the evidence of what
> > they
> > MIGHT be, and that is the only logical conclusion I could come up
> > with.
>I would be very interested in hearing your arguments for this belief.
Well after, ya know, 1000 people saw this one, 100 saw this one,
non-proven-hoaxed UFO photos, Retired military confessions of
gov't coverup, dozens and dozens of TOP SECRET memos etc, on and
on and on. You could say well its a hoax, or alllll these people are
wacko. Why demons.. well , as I believe, God created all there is and
was. So we ask, did God create folks on other planets or what.
When talked to these creatures they knew of 'religious things' and what
the Bible is, etc , and they are up to no good 'helping us' get Peace
blah blah blah while abducting, implanting things in people's heads,
taking samples, skinning cows, draining ponds, lakes and resivoirs,
eating our electricity on and on and on. They certainly arent angels.
[mind has gone blank on other stuff, argh..] its just my conclusion
that they are demons in 'human' form. I'll try to get the rest later.
> > 4. What are these 'new' findings of JFK being shot from his car?
>That is highly unreliable information. There is a film circulating around
>that allegedly shows the driver turn and fire a gun, however it is obvious
I read it out of a previous UFO report on here on one guy's speech.
Who used to be in the military and said it was all planned from the
inside becasue , supposadly, JFK was going to put an end to nuclear
aircraft and, supposadly tell the public that aliens were real or
something like that, so they had him killed, either from a gun in
the back of the driver's seat or the 'man' in the bushes. It is said
the gun that shot whats-his-name ARGGGHHH Oswald? Lee Harvey whatever
was a blank and he was the 'scapegoat' you have probly heard that
[from old secret service, FBI, etc] that JFKs body was not the
one everyone saw.. getting off the plane etcc.. his was taken off the
other side, and ya know his brain was taken out because [new stuff
I have heard recently] he was shot with a bullet tainted with some
poison fish toxin .. which killed him. Its obvious from the film he was
shot, at least in the front of the head. Maybe others can add to this
HINT HINT HINT..
B
B
>that the film is "doctored."
> > 5. What is this about a coverup about MLK Jr?
>I don't know. What have you heard?
I don't know either, something was said in a previous post..
> > 6. Underground bases in the Colorados etc..
>There are probably lots of underground bases. Would this be so unusual?
Well people have seen VERY weird craft flying in and out of it.
like those 24 copters chasing after something welse [probably
'experiemtal' UFO aircraft. But thats another story.
> > 7. ANyone on here from Gulf Breeze and see UFO's all the time? I'd like
> > some info on stuff.
> >
> > 8. Is there an ftp site with archives of old _arge_ postings of stuff,
> > the
> > ones like with 700 or so lines of stuff, I would be interested.
>Our network has a large ftp site at uiowa.edu. It is anonymous too.
Thanks
> > 9. Arer there any UFO boards that I could subscribe to, any info would
> > be
> > helpful.
>Contact me at mcorbin@scicom.alphacd.com for information on my network,
>ParaNet. You can also be placed on our list server by sending your request to
>infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com. Our digest is very interesting and seriously
>covers this subject, including the abduction phenomenon.
>Thanks,
>Mike
>--
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>UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
>INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From: craigb@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: t'would make an unusual trophy...
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Date: 19 Jul 91 16:58:48 GMT
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Just out of curiousity, are there any reports/stories of people ever
a) shooting (or attempting to shoot) a UFO? (ie, with a rifle, handgun, etc).
b) shooting (or attempting to shoot) an extraterrestrial?
If so, I'd be interested in hearing about such incidents (and any
reported consequences).
Thanks!
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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
Message-ID: <8160@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Date: 19 Jul 91 19:10:41 GMT
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jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>In article <1991Jul15.121750.1091@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
>The Roswell incident has been attributed to lightning, and others in the
>area to radar. It's conceivable, though I don't know how probable, that
>the alleged aliens don't have either of these things back home.
Why does Roswell have to have been an accident? It could have been an
intentional crash to see how we'd react to such a thing. After all,
you'd think whoever *owned* the ship would come looking for it and
survivors if they were really concerned.
Please note: the US government didn't have an interest in the thing
until some time AFTER the crash, like four to six days. If it was a
top-secret fighter plane, etc. like some people claim, they wouldn't let
the thing out of their sight for a minute.
> Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again."
--
Dan Cogswell dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu
Mostly H20 and whatever pizza and Diet Pepsi digest into
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Paul Bennewitz [was Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup]
Message-ID: <jms.5297@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 21 Jul 91 03:36:44 GMT
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In article <1991Jul17.054018.7055@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
>
>This most likely came of the Fido UFO echo not to long ago..'course
>if you be *the* Bill Moore..then you would know something about the following:
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Date: 06-18-91 19:55
>From: Ken Willoughby
>
> I got a long letter from Paul Bennewitz in which he wanted
> me to put this onto bbd. I am copying verbatim what he says:
> --1) The Archeleta Base was raided by a Delta Force, and of the
> The Aliens within were killed outright. I can not vouch for
> some of this although I have absolute proof that it was. It is
How can you have absolute proof for something and not be able to vouch for
it?
> destroyed. The whole area was closed and all people were bared
> from the mountain; it is now administrated by the Drug Admin-
> istration (U.S.), so it is finished. The air strip was plowed
> and barricaded.
Has anyone actually confirmed this, i.e., checked that the DEA has seized
any land in the area?
> --2) About 80 escaped taking their ships with them; some were
> out on patrol and thus they got away. 40 some odd established
> thenselves in caves at Bear Mountain, in New Mexico. The rest
> went to what is called, THE DOME, and are still at large.
What is "The Dome"? I've read Bennewitz's "Project Beta" report, but I
don't remember anything about bases other than Archuleta.
> --3) I have contacted the Secretary of Defense, and a Senator;
> also General Jaco and the new Administrator at Kirtland. Some
> is attached to give the Coordinates which are fairly accurate.
What was their reaction to such bizarre news?
What was all this about? I had been told earlier this year that Bennewitz
didn't want anything to do with UFOlogy anymore. Sounds like he's been
keeping up on it and just not talking to anyone.
--
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | "Let's become
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again."
37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms |
Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | --Yes
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From: oleary@ux.acs.umn.edu (Doc O'Leary)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Do we shoot at UFO's
Message-ID: <4344@ux.acs.umn.edu>
Date: 21 Jul 91 03:39:59 GMT
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In article <91201.161829JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>I'll leave you with this saying; Their are none so blind as those
>who will not see.
Actually, I've always thought it was: "There are none so blind as those who
do not think." Seems to be more appropriate for this newsgroup, too . . .
--------- Doc
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: FILE: ALIEN-TYPES.TXT
Message-ID: <jms.5301@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 21 Jul 91 03:53:41 GMT
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In article <1991Jul17.063943.7827@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
> MUFONET-BBS network - Mutual UFO Network
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ALIEN DESCRIPTIONS - VARIETIES
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>[Note: This is a message from a participant of the CONTACT Echo, discussing
>the types of aliens and their descriptions.]
>
>Date: 01-01-91 14:04
>From: Sandy Barbre
>Subj: DESCRIPTIONS: ALIEN
>
>Below please find a copy of a variety of alien beings descriptions put on the
>UFO echo by David House.... I thought you might find some of this interesting
>and I know that a few of you don't get the UFO echo or just don't read it.
>Okay...here goes...
>
>GREY TYPE A: This is the type most commonly referred to as the greys. Also
>known as Zeta Reticuli from the Zeta Reticulan star system (the Bernard star)
>neighboring the Orion area. They function in a mode that is apparently
The constellation Reticulum doesn't neighbor the constellation Orion.
They're not *really* far away from each other, but they're not adjoining
either. And Barnard's Star isn't Zeta Reticuli. (I think in the versions
I've heard, one race of aliens is from Zeta Ret and the other is from
Barnard's Star. I can't remember if both are greys or the Barnard's Star
race is something else.)
--
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | "Let's become
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again."
37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms |
Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | --Yes
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From: ED.HOPPER@ehbbs.hou.tx.us (ED HOPPER)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: WHAT ABOUT THE LAST 44 YE
Message-ID: <uupcb.2894@ehbbs.hou.tx.us>
Date: 21 Jul 91 16:46:10 GMT
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In reply to DAN COGSWELL:
In Article dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
-> Please note: the US government didn't have an interest in the thing until
-> some time AFTER the crash, like four to six days. If it was a top-secret
-> fighter plane, etc. like some people claim, they wouldn't let the thing out
-> of their sight for a minute.
Quite a valid point. Do you remember the incident, a few years ago, when an
F-117A "Stealth" fighter crashed outside of Nellis AFB in Nevada? The fact
that a crash occured was reported promptly. (They wouldn't of course, confirm
the type of aircraft) The Air Force secured the crash site as soon as they
found it. There were armed guards to keep the curious out.
Had the Roswell crash been a secret US plane of the era, there would have been
similar activity.
PMS = Possessed Monthly by Satan
---
. FM 0.10 #2 . ed.hopper@ehbbs.hou.tx.us
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From: mru@unislc.uucp (Mara Ulis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Keywords: ufo encounter
Message-ID: <1991Jul22.151954.12934@unislc.uucp>
Date: 22 Jul 91 15:19:54 GMT
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In article <eZV051w163w@dorsai.com> kizn@dorsai.com (Daniel Delvalle) writes:
>mru@unislc.uucp (Mara Ulis) writes:
>
>> In article <625@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600hubb@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Richard Hubbell) wri
>> >Did anyone see a show that had a piece on a ufo encounter in Texas?
>> >I saw part of it tonite (7-10-91) I missed a portion of it when
>> >signal went out from channel 6. A woman, her mother, and a child
>> >were driving when they saw some kind of craft. They stopped and the
>> >woman got out of the car to look at the ufo. The encounter lasted about
>> >ten minutes. The ufo was hovering the whole time. The ufo left and
>> >the woman got into the car as they were leaving a squadron of
>> >helicopters approached (the older woman counted 23 helicopters) she
>> >described them as the type with to rotors. Approx. 6 hours later they
>> >all became ill. The mother had the worst symptoms, followed by the
>> >child and then the older woman. According to the physician treating her
>> >she suffered from radiation exposure. Her skin was burned and she
>> >eventually lost her hair. A ufo researcher went to the site where
>> >this occurred and verified a dark patch of the asphalt that had been
>> >scarred by intense heat. I think his name was Schlouser(sp.) he also
>> >was told later that some trucks had gone to the site and removed all
>> >traces of the burnt asphalt and replaced it with new.
>> > At first the Air Force acknowledged that something did
>> >occur but then they went back on there original claim and denied that
>> >anything happened. I'd like to hear more about this incident if
>> >anyone can add more info. It happened 10 years ago in late 1980
>> >in Texas(Dayton?). All three are still alive but the woman has been
>> >diagnosed with cancer and the older woman and child still also
>> >suffer from strange illnesses.
>> >
>> >RH
>> >
>> >--
>> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >" University of California Santa Barbara Richard Hubbell "
>> >"6600hubb@ -> Inet:ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu;Bitnet:ucsbuxa.bitnet;UUCP:ucsbuxa "
>> >_______________________________________________________________________
>>
>> You are referring to the Andreasson Affair. The MUFON investigator
>> was John Schussler(sp). There are some books out about this case.
>> Also, you might contact MUFON for more information. Their address is
>> Walt Andrus, Director 103 Oldtowne Road Seguin, Texas 78155.
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Mara Ulis
>>
>
>
> Sorry Mara, But the Andreasson Affair was a CE3 type case that ha@ppened ,
>I believe, in the late 70's...Betty Andreasson reported being abducted by
>three aliens, while preparing supper for her family at home.
>
> The case Richard reffers to is a CE2 type case that happened in the early
>80's.
> Betty Cash and two others reported seeing a UFO and about 20 Tandem rotor
>Helicopters hovering above a Highway in Dayton Texas.
> I recall that after having gotten very little help from the goverment, Ms.
>Cash brought a lawsuit against the military to try and find out what type of
>radiation she was exposed to.
> as far as I know... She might still be dragging it through the courts.
>
>
> Kizn.
You are absolutely correct. I realized my mistake after posting. Apologies
to all for my mistake.
Mara Ulis
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"They cannot speak. We can. Those who are /\ /\
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From: warren@worlds.UUCP (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: UFOs
Message-ID: <414@vaccine.UUCP>
Date: 22 Jul 91 06:58:07 GMT
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In article <14384@goofy.Apple.COM> showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) writes:
>
>THE PLElADlANS channeled lecture by Barbara J. Marciniak
What sort of advanced civilization are these dudes if they have to
get someone else to post to the net for them? If they can't afford
a Telebit ChannelerBlazer, the hell with them.
--
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|__/__/_/ is a very strange carrot
|warren@ But the farmer
/ worlds.COM is not worried at all.
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
Message-ID: <jms.5353@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 23 Jul 91 05:00:42 GMT
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In article <8160@vela.acs.oakland.edu> dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
>
>Why does Roswell have to have been an accident? It could have been an
>intentional crash to see how we'd react to such a thing. After all,
>you'd think whoever *owned* the ship would come looking for it and
>survivors if they were really concerned.
I never thought about that. If the aliens have no apparent emotion as some
people claim, maybe they wouldn't care about the death of the ship's crew.
(Some people even say they're cloned rather than bred, if I remember
rightly.) But you'd think they'd want to keep the ship away from us.
(Unless they knew we were too primitive to understand any of it.)
>Please note: the US government didn't have an interest in the thing
>until some time AFTER the crash, like four to six days. If it was a
>top-secret fighter plane, etc. like some people claim, they wouldn't let
>the thing out of their sight for a minute.
I never heard the top-secret plane explanation applied to Roswell. It's
usually a balloon-borne radar test target or a Japanese balloon bomb.
--
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | "Let's become
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again."
37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms |
Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | --Yes
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From: trey@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Trey Wedge)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Project Majestic Question
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Date: 2 Aug 91 17:28:11 GMT
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Has anyone seen the MJ-12 or Project Majestic text from Cooper here,
or somewhere? A better question is... has anyone saved it?
A friend who is not on the net wants a copy of something that
I had seen on the net in alt.conspiracy about a year ago, about
the Project Majestic and links to the FBI CIA etc.
Anyone have any info? Please reply by E-mail if possible.
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From: cn0gr8af@hydra.unm.edu (Student Class Account)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: gravity waves
Message-ID: <1991Aug03.202917.9887@ariel.unm.edu>
Date: 3 Aug 91 20:29:17 GMT
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In article <jms.5533@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>In article <1991Jul30.181423.6444@ariel.unm.edu> cn0gr8af@hydra.unm.edu (Student Class Account) writes:
>>
>>In review, let me say that gravity waves have been postulated to exist, but
>>have never been observed. (A recent LandSat Photo of the Kuwait Oil fires
>>is claimed to contain ripples showing gravity waves, but they do not fit any
>>picture of gravity waves as proposed so far). In any case, the waves may
>
>Where did you hear this? It should've made news, but I never heard it.
See the most recent National Geographic, the issue featuring a story about
Kuwait. I believe I saw it in there. Also, it was on CNN about a week ago.
Cheers,
Rusty
Don't believe in something just because someone says it is so; use your head.
Ask for concrete proof. Only then will the true story behind UFO's (if they
exist as beings from another planet) be revealed, just as the Burmuda Triangle
was shown to be a hoax. Until then, these stories of "Greys", government
coverup, etc. will remain pure speculation, relegated to the world of fantasy.
Don't be Duped!
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From: ed_l1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: UFO Computer Network
Message-ID: <1991Aug2.094606.2860@verifone.com>
Date: 2 Aug 91 19:46:06 GMT
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> In article <414@vaccine.UUCP> warren@worlds.UUCP (Warren Burstein) writes:
>>In article <14384@goofy.Apple.COM> showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen) writes:
>>>
>>>THE PLElADlANS channeled lecture by Barbara J. Marciniak
>>
>>What sort of advanced civilization are these dudes if they have to
>>get someone else to post to the net for them? If they can't afford
>>a Telebit ChannelerBlazer, the hell with them.
Well, if my own experience is any indication, the reliability of network
connections decreases with any increase in distance between two points.
Our own network here in Hawai`i is down about six percent of the time,
and sometimes I have to get others to post for me. Now we're only
about 5,000 miles away; how many _light years_ away are the Pleiadies?
By my figuring, their network connection with us (allowing a factor
five compensation to account for their "advanced" technology) will only
be out of commission 20,000% of the time (give or take a few thousand
percent).
--
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From: michael@hana.cs.ucla.edu (michael gersten)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: A Solar Tour part#4
Message-ID: <michael.681350233@hana>
Date: 4 Aug 91 23:57:13 GMT
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I think you guys who are jumping on this person are missing the
point. This isn't "Our solar system in 1991"; this is more like
"Our solar system in 2100", or sometime like that.
In any event, I'm enjoying these. Especially the words of wisdom.
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From: mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <Aug.4.17.31.19.1991.21862@porthos.rutgers.edu>
Date: 4 Aug 91 21:31:20 GMT
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ctdonath@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl T. Donath) writes:
From time to time there were comments from aliens/spirits that
significant things would be happening soon; ... Has anyone
collected these "significant dates" so we can see how often
they are professed?
... a good question; but the search list for this will be very long.
UFO books and articles dating back at least to the 1950's include
references to "the truth" coming out "sometime soon". Sometimes this
comes from 'aliens', and sometimes from (often unnamed) "government
sources". (These sources include alleged CIA contacts, and even
President Carter, among others.)
As a side comment, folks who *don't* want things known will tell
'outsiders' that the truth will come out soon -- if the truth is
about to come out anyway, investigators will stop investigating,
giving cover operations time to plug leaks, you see.
Charles
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Keelynet File - The Kromery Converter/free Electricity
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Date: 4 Aug 91 04:45:00 GMT
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> From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
> Date: 23 Jul 91 09:07:56 GMT
> Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
> Message-ID: <HARKCOM.91Jul23180810@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>
> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,misc.headlines,sci.energy
> =}If any Don's articles about machines or new concepts REALLY work,
> =}it's worth having them talked about, debunked, or explained in
> =}the cold light of public discussion.
>
> Since they have been debunked time and time again then throwing them
> out for discussion is merely spreading misinformation. If Mr. Allen
> really stayed up until 2am doing his homework instead of reading SF
> novels then he would know such things...
Unfortunately for you, Mr. Allen does do a fair share of homework. From what
I have seen, he has posted materials to this net without attaching any of his
personal feelings about them. I recall that he states that they are for
information only. It is up to YOU what you do with it, excluding the childish
flaming that has been going on here. Spreading "misinformation" implies that
the person doing the spreading has knowledge of his/her activities, at least
to a certain degree. This does not qualify Mr. Allen.
> =}If some phenomena is discovered out of these activites all of the
> =}dead ends the whole process becomes worthwhile. Don't let the
> =}naysayers dismiss a person's scientific discipline without asking
> =}for contrary research or proof.
>
> Before speaking out on science, one should learn what it is. Science
> is not the offering of opinions with disproofs being sought to knock
> them down. That is what religion is. Science deals with offering proofs
> to
> support a hypothesis in a framework. Without such proofs, the hypothesis
> is meaningless. Since the UFO stuff being posted is opinions (which have
> in most cases been refuted already), then it falls in the religion
> category and is not science...
May I suggest that you practice what you espouse? Here is a challenge to you.
It is not hard. And, of course, with someone of your high intelligence, you
should be able to qualify your statement above. Please cite references for
your remark about "the UFO stuff being posted is opinions (which have in most
cases been refuted already), then it falls in the religion category and is not
science." I would love to see your argument that the material posted about
the investigation of the Roswell crash is mere opinion stated by the authors.
I would also like to see your argument for why you feel that the study of
aerial anomalies falls into a religious category instead of science. In order
for you to do this, you will have to produce irrefutable evidence to me that
completely defies the physical evidence collected at landing sites, the
physical effects that have been measured, both environmentally and upon
witnesses and the many reports by scientists who have observed this
phenomenon. This, I predict, will not be an easy task for even someone of
your stature. Finally, please define your viewpoint on how the study of UFOs
falls into a religious category.
> =}To dismiss these discussions without a complete analysis of the
> =}what is in question leaves us no better than those who condemned
> =}scientists with dogma thoughout the ages.
>
> But to repeat past discussions which already completely analysized
> and refuted the questions offered up is part of the structure which
> creates the dogma which interferes with science and people's
> understanding of it...
Again, please cite your references where this issue has been settled to
everyone's satisfaction.
> =}If something is scientifically incorrect, fine post the reasons,
> =}if you can't scientifically debunk what's being discussed save
> =}your comments for your own amusement.
>
> If something is scientifically incorrect and has been expounded upon
> in volume after volume of real scientific work then there is no need
> for us to waste our time repeating such things to those who should
> read it for themselves and those who shouldn't be spreading
> misinformation...
Each of your statements are examples of your ignorance or deliberate attempts
to spread "misinformation."
> =}I don't believe I've seen Don editorialize on any of the files he
> =}cross posts and I've been amused by and enjoyed finding such a
> =}concentration of of information from his sources *--Thanks Don--*
>
> Misinformation in many cases...
Again, cite references. I just knew it. Your stating opinions again! :-)
> =}Now we can move on to discuss the problems and reasons that pepetual
> =}motion can't work and talk about the actual physics that's taking
> =}place when it's claimed that it does, rail about the phychic
> =}antigravity coils, pseudo science misinterpretations of the
> =}physical universe, and debunk some UFO sightings --
>
> Well since all of these things have been done repeatedly then I'll
> leave the fun of repeating them again up to you.
NO! I insist that you indulge us.
> =}The quality and content of Don's postings can and should be talked
> =}about but don't shoot the messenger or judge his intentions.
>
> The content of the posts can be talked about, but in most cases
> shouldn't have been mentioned (wouldn't have been if the poster knew
> anything about them). And since such misinformation is continually
> being posted then I think that it is perfectly fair to bring up
> questions as to the posters intelligence, qualifications, and
> intentions.
> Actually, such questions are infinitely more important and infinitely
> less damaging than the questions the poster attempts to raise...
By the same token, I haven't seen you post your qualifications to pontificate.
Please consider this a kind request to furnish us with your background.
I can't wait!
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What About The Last 44 Years ?read/new
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> From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
> Date: 30 Jul 91 16:43:24 GMT
> Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
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>
>
> I disagree, Don. UFOs are of this world. You're of this world. I'm of
> this world. Everyone who has ever seen a UFO is someone of this world.
> Whatever is happening to people is of this world. Unfortunately, nobody
> in our world community of humans seems to have the slightest idea what
> exactly is happening.
> We have no explanation for these weird lights in the sky. We have no
> explanation for people who have chunks of skin removed from their legs
> in the middle of the night. We people haven't the faintest idea how to
> reconcile stories of midnight abductions and needles put into the brain
> with our normal lives. One day we're shopping for toilet-paper and Oreo
> cookies, the next night we're spirited onto glowing spheres to be
> operated
> on by grey midgets with big almond eyes. What the hell is this stuff?
> What can you say to someone who tells you he was stopped by a UFO on
> the
> way home from the 7-Eleven? You can start by saying he's nuts. But then,
> what do you say to the hundreds of thousands of people all over the
> world
> who suddenly get brave enough to tell you their bizzare stories. Is
> everyone
> nuts? If everyone is nuts, then nuts is normal, by the definition of
> "normal".
>
> Anyway, if you start trying to describe these events in terms easily
> understandable by occult hobbiests, then you are selling the whole thing
> short. Nobody knows if these events are caused by beings from the Crab
> Nebula or renegade accountants from Burma. The truth is simply: Nobody
> knows.
>
> At this late point in our history as a civilization, I think we all
> can
> admit the possiblity of the existence of information and events we have
> yet to discover. Whatever this phenomenon is, it isnt something we have
> explained yet. Most importantly, we may not be able to explain it in
> terms
> common to our existing pool of scientific knowlege and experience as
> humans.
> If this is true, giving this thing a name simply detracts from its true
> nature.
>
I applaud your open-mindedness. Everyone should read this again.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Re: 6-10 Inch Disk [was Info: Recent Mufon Conference Recap - Chicago]
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> From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
> Date: 31 Jul 91 03:59:59 GMT
> Organization: The Search For TERRESTRIAL Intelligence
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> T. T. Brown reportedly flew small disks, but only tethered to a pole
> (because the tether was also the power cable!) Of course, this is
> ignoring
> the possibility that the disk in question could have had propellors, as
> I
> haven't seen the film and I don't know if they would be discernable
> anyway.
>
> OK all you aerospace people: Could you build a flying disk with
> propellors
> that would actually fly controllably?
Just as an aside, Don Ecker now possesses a remote controlled flying disk. It
is powered by gasoline, I believe. I will get more information from Don on
this and let you know. Some guy in Redlands, CA is producing them.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Ai-trad
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* Forwarded from "Ask UFO Magazine"
* Originally from Don Ecker
* Originally dated 07-31-91 14:53
Jim:
Last year I received the "3-STAR" report from Ai-Trad, and immediatly called
them up to get the "real deal". I spoke to the front guy, Kim Mikulas I think
(I do not have his card in front of me.)
I questioned them, and requested to speak to either the interviewer or the
General, but was told that until I was "checked out" they did not want to speak
to me. I told them fine, check me out and call me, but I never heard from them
again.
CAVEAT EMPTOR
Don
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Re: Keelynet File, Lazar, Don't Be Duped
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> From: cn0gr8af@hydra.unm.edu (Student Class Account)
> Date: 30 Jul 91 18:14:23 GMT
> Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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Regarding your posting about alleged gravity waves being observed in the
satellite photos over Kuwait, could you please expound on this a little more?
I would really appreciate it.
BTW, I think you are right on target re: Lazar. There were just too many
strange things associated with that guy. However, there were other things
that made us wonder about his veracity and to what extent he may have been
himself "duped."
Mike
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From: IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Xanadian)
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Subject: Full-Aspect Survey on Human Personality
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FULL-ASPECT SURVEY
This is a survey of all aspects (possible) of the personality
of mankind--namely physical, mental and spiritual. It is something that
I wish to use for my psych class coming up.. That, and it is also for
my curiosity. Questions with a star (*) are optional. All others,
please answer. Answer as truthfully as possible, please.
1. Y/N Do you think of yourself as a leader?
2. Y/N Are you satisfied with our government? (please name your govt)
3. Y/N Do you have a religion? Or, do you believe that there is a
spirit or soul in humankind (ie. each man & woman)?
3a. Y/N Do you believe in (a/some) God(s)?
3a. If yes, please name religion/belief
3b* Who was Jesus?
4. Y/N Do you consider yourself in reasonably good shape?
4a. On a scale of 1 - 10... how do you rate your fitness?
5. Name your top 10 favorite songs. (only 2 if you'd like, but at
least 2) If you don't listen to music, put -None-.
6. Y/N Do you believe that there are other intelligent beings out in
space?
7* Y/N Have you heard of xanadu?
7a* If YES, then what is/was it?
8. Y/N Assume you are in a company or firm. Would you be upset if
someone was appointed a position above you that you wanted, even
though he/she was totally qualified?
9. Y/N Would you ever want to travel in space?
9a. Y/N Inhabit another planet?
9b. If YES on both, then how would you want to see the leadership
set up, or, what kind of government would you like to see?
9c. Would you like to head this government? (*) Why?
10. How old are you?
11* Y/N Are you married? Divorced? Single? Ect.....
12. What type of job do you hold (if you hold one)?
13. Y/N Are you superstitious? (uncanny that this question came up
here, isn't it???)
14. Y/N Do you believe in ghosts?
15* Y/N Are you able to vote?
15a* Y/N Do you vote? Any particular branch or locale of govt?
16. If there were a real schnook in the government, what would you
do about him/her? (schnook-- one who appears to be doing nothing
for the people and everything for himself/herself)
17. What was your favorite year? (*) Why?
That's it for now. More questions may arise in THE SEQUEL-- SURVEY
II! (BTW-- 18. Y/N Do you think sequels are usually not as good as
the original?)
All information will be kept confidential. If there are any addition
al notes, please feel free to tack them on at the END. Thank you and
good night/day.
------------------------
This is a repost, since some changes had to be made---particularly on
q#1 and q#8. BTW... Thank you Sandy for the help. If anyone else
has any suggestions please let me know!
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From: IO10081@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Xanadian)
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Subject: Re: A Way Out Of Here.
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I have not seen the original article. Could someone email/repost it
to/for me?
BTW... Why would someone want to leave this woOOonderful planet of
ours?
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From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
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Subject: Thanks to Rob Trevelyan
Keywords: Crop Circles
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Just wanted to publicly thank Robert Trevelyan for his reporting on
the current crop circles, and encourage him further.
Thanks, Rob!
Also, lately there seems to be a disturbing trend in this news group.
There seems to be more and more rubbish posted here, and I'm afraid
that this will discourage the serious posters from using this group.
Can we cut down on the garbage, please? The best response to obviously
stupid news posts is to simply ignore them and hope that they will
go away.
Thanks for your time,
--Mark
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From: mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
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Subject: Re: Ha!
Keywords: Ha!
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Hi,
Just a few comments: to call you anti-religion is perhaps not
going too far. However, it is perhaps ingenuous to say:
We have to look through the myth, and realize that the same
voice has been muffled all through our history! If you are
only willing to open your eyes, you will see. There is a new
breed in the young people today. A select few have been able
to realize that we have to look at things truly objectively.
[etc]
... every generation grows up calling its predecessors (and in your
case, most of its peers) idiots. Its just something young people do.
I did it, too. I was cynical, and "not going to be fooled". Then I
discovered that things are significantly more complex than I thought,
and that (some of) my predecessors were extremely smart -- smarter
than me, in fact. So, I decided to study some more. I've been doing
that ever since. (I'm still cynical, in some ways, but I don't scream
at people during arguments any more.)
I beleive that the human mind is capable of anything, even
without tools and science, yet on the other hand I have a love
for science and creation. I beleive science can explain
everything, if we make science fit the truth, not bend the
truth to fit science.
Naturally. Scientists do the latter, politicians do the former.
(And lets not even talk about political scientists! :-)
We have to be ready to evolve. For a while now
humans have been devolving. Our machines and medicine and
some of our technology have just made it more difficult to
realize our potential.
... I don't agree. Neither, I'd say, would people who can use recent
inventions to do things they couldn't possibly do -- quadraplegics
and amputees, for a start. Technology has caused massive political
changes within this country and many others -- consider how long the
Vietnam war would have gone on without TV, for one. Technology has
helps society to evolve, and to do it significantly faster than in
years past. (If you don't like the way its evolving, well, that's
a different story.)
Our religion has taught us to mourn death, so we develop
medicine to stop people from dying. Belief has made us weak.
... um, quite the opposite. Religions in general teach that death is
*not* permanent; that we "go to a better place"; that "everlasting
life" is ours; or even that we return to earth with another chance.
How anti-death can you get? Religion is a balm against the grief of
loss. The thought that I will *never* see someone I know again,
*never* get to talk with them again, *never* see them smile again is
incredibly depressing. Religion teaches hope. (BTW, I am not a
particularly religious person -- just ask my parents, who gave up
trying to get me to go to church when I was 13...) Religions also
are a comfort to the oppressed and the dirt-poor that their lives
are not for nothing, that better things are ahead.
The antichrist, I suggest, is change. Radical, permanent
change that religion is afraid of.
... no. Religions are by nature conservative organizations, to be
sure. But they do change -- if nothing else, they fragment, and
subsets of belief go their own way (otherwise, we'd all still be
Zoroastrians!) Radical, permanent change is what the "power elite"
are afraid of -- the bankers, the politicians, etc. -- the people
who have a personal stake in the 'way things are'. Religions tend
to weather change fairly well; though the older 'organized religions'
may slowly wither for a number of reasons.
... Oh, by the way, what IS this "new reality", anyway? You seem to
spend all your time complaining that almost all of us (including
myself, I'd guess) are stupid; what is the real truth, then?
Charles
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
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Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
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In article <Aug.4.17.31.19.1991.21862@porthos.rutgers.edu> mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>
> ctdonath@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl T. Donath) writes:
>
> From time to time there were comments from aliens/spirits that
> significant things would be happening soon; ... Has anyone
> collected these "significant dates" so we can see how often
> they are professed?
>
>... a good question; but the search list for this will be very long.
>UFO books and articles dating back at least to the 1950's include
>references to "the truth" coming out "sometime soon". Sometimes this
>comes from 'aliens', and sometimes from (often unnamed) "government
>sources". (These sources include alleged CIA contacts, and even
>President Carter, among others.)
>
[stuff edited]
For what it's worth:
Whitley Strieber, author of the best selling Close Encounter book
"Communion", receives about 50 to 70 letters per day from people who
claim to have had UFO experiences. Whitley says that since April of this
year, the subject matter of those letters has shifted from stories about
encounters in the past, to stories about encounters in the present.
Whitley himself believes that something is going to happen soon, and
he thinks that the correspondance validates his suspicion. He does not
define "soon" or the "something" that he expects to happen.
The source of this information is a letter published by Mr. Strieber that
I happened to see.
For what its worth.....now get back to work.
Joe
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From: wsadjw@rw7.urc.tue.nl (Jan Willem Nienhuys)
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Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
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Date: 5 Aug 91 16:50:48 GMT
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In article <1991Aug5.084242.3359@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se writes:
>available. But there is also a lot of evidence which does not fit the
>evolution theory.
Such as?
J.W. Nienhuys,
Research Group Discrete Mathematics
Dept. of Mathematics and Computing Science
Eindhoven University of Technology
P.O. BOX 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven
The Netherlands
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Subject: Re: File - THE GENESIS FACTOR - Warren York intro / George Merkl
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In-Reply-To: dona@bilver.uucp's message of 17 Jul 91 23:39:44 GMT
Where's the address for further info, referenced in the article?
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From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: gravity waves
Message-ID: <1991Aug05.195333.8309@convex.com>
Date: 5 Aug 91 19:53:33 GMT
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In article <1991Jul30.181423.6444@ariel.unm.edu> cn0gr8af@hydra.unm.edu (Student Class Account) writes:
[...long discussion extolling the virtues of skepticism deleted...]
>Second, look at the paper presented for the "public good". The entire basis
>for his generator is based on a situation which is completely UNTRUE. In fact,
>it violates one of Maxwell's equations, and does not work experimentally. The
>fact that it does not work experimentally puzzled physicists from the early
>1800's until around 1880. It was easily explained after Faraday's Law was
>discovered. The basic idea is that a disk is placed in a magnetic field,
>oriented so that the field lines are perpendicular to the surface of the
>conducting disk. It is then claimed that if the disk is spun, a potential
>will develop between the center of the disk and the outside edge. This is
>just plain WRONG. While it is true that if a potential is placed across
>the distance from the center to the outer edge, a current will flow, and
>the disk will spin, the converse is not true. Only in the case of a varying
>magnetic field can a potential develop. (Faraday's Law: Curl of E = -dB/dt).
>This is high school physics! (Well, maybe first year college level).
>It is claimed that the potential that develops is the same as when the disk
>is attached to the magnet and spun. I will give him that, but only in that
>they are both identically ZERO.
[...]
>Rusty
>
>PS: mail at jewett@mcnc.org or cn0gr8af@cirt.unm.edu
Rusty, your prior argument would carry more weight if you did not digress into
subjects with which you are not familiar.
In fact this device works exactly as advertised, and is normally a subject
of introductory texts on electromagnetics. Check page 274 of "Field and
Wave Electromagnetics" by David K. Cheng.
It is called the Faraday disk generator. The electrons in the disk will see
the Lorentz force q(E + vXB) (X is the cross operator; v is the velocity
vector). As lines of magnetic flux are cut by the infinitesimally thin
conductors connecting the edge of the disk to its center, the electrons in the
conductors will be driven by this electromotive force, with the result being a
potential between the center and the edge.
This device is typically used in industrial cloth manufacturing where
precision tension control is needed to feed threads into weaving machines.
The spools are mounted on conductive plates and are spun next to a large
magnet. The thread is fed at a constant velocity, so changing the distance to
the magnet yields precise control over the thread tension.
You provide so much false detail in your refutation of this device that I have
to wonder if you just made it all up as you went along.
On the other hand, you can hardly call yourself a skeptic if you heard all
this poppycock from someone else, and then parroted it here without even
bothering to check some technical references.
BTW - normally I wouldn't flame you for making a mistake like this. But,
as you yourself stated, "This is high school physics!"
You can reach me by email at swarren@convex.com
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From: etuggle@auc.trw.com (Eddie Tuggle)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <1991Aug5.190220.16288@auc.trw.com>
Date: 5 Aug 91 19:02:20 GMT
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Is Whitley Strieber generaly considered to be an athority, reliable? I have read Communion
and found it quite interesting.
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ha!
Keywords: Ha!
Message-ID: <1991Aug5.234204.19257@cadence.com>
Date: 5 Aug 91 23:42:04 GMT
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In article <1991Aug03.014554.1086@disk.uucp> unknown@disk.uucp (unknown) writes:
>
>I beleive the earth has been visited by other intelligent races... But
>that's an OPINION. Here's another opinion:
> For as many years as there have been human beings, there has been some
>form or religion. All these religions can be summed up in one phrase,
>"Safety in Numbers".. We were afraid of change, afraid of the unknown.
>People bonded together to hide from the reality of the unknown. Elaborate
>myths were built up by the most scared, the preachers and leaders. They
>wove the tales of pixies and gnomes, elementals, angels, demons... Look
>at it this way: If you had seen aliens, or something totally strange to
>you, you'd probably be
[ stuff edited]
My feeling about this "visitation" phenomenon,
both past and present, is this:
We must treat this like a courtroom battle. There are lawyers on
either side of the issue who make extremely persuasive arguments for
and against the "visitation" theory.
You, decide the outcome yourself. The "truth" is irrelevant. The
"truth" may be completely unknowable. At any rate, nobody knows the truth.
The evidence presented to you as a juror is almost completely
subjective and circumstantial. The evidence is inconclusive.
So, what is real? What is the "truth"? Is he guilty or not? In the
courtroom, the minds of the twelve define reality. Each of us has made
up his/her own mind. That defines the reality of this situation.
Unfortunately, like the jury in a difficult court case, we may very well
have decided wrong. If we knew the "truth", there would be no courtrooms
and no discussion.
C'est la vie.
Joe
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From: troly@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Bret Jolly)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Keelynet File, Lazar, Don't Be Duped
Message-ID: <1991Aug5.113655.350@math.ucla.edu>
Date: 5 Aug 91 11:36:55 GMT
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In article <73218.289C6875@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>
Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
>Regarding your posting about alleged gravity waves being observed in the
>satellite photos over Kuwait, could you please expound on this a little more?
>I would really appreciate it.
I am not the poster referred to here, but nothing is strange about
this claim. Gravity waves are seen all the time. *Gravitational*
waves are another thing altogether.
"In your heart, you know it's flat."
?
Bret Jolly (Bo'-ret Tro Ly) Mathemagus LA Platygaean Society
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles in Wiltshire
Message-ID: <jms.5631@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 5 Aug 91 15:53:32 GMT
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In article <1991Aug02.160751.21978@aixssc.ibm.co.uk> rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan) writes:
>
>A keen circles watcher had been cropwatching with two friends at
>Beckhampton at about midnight when they had seen a pulsing light
>moving silently across the sky. During the course of the next hour
>they saw five more such objects, some white and some pulsing green,
>red and white. All were silent though at times they seemed
>comparatively close to where they stood. At one time a dark object
>flew swiftly and silently overhead, blotting out the stars.
>The three were quite frightened by this strange display, and
>likened what they'd seen to a sequence from "Close Encounters of
>the Third Kind". Some of their sightings were in the direction
Weren't the sequences in CETK based on the Bentwaters (Rendlesham) case?
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From: stephens@ipc1.lat.oz.au (Philip J Stephens)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug6.001828.26671@latcs1.lat.oz.au>
Date: 6 Aug 91 00:18:28 GMT
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In article <773@rc6.urc.tue.nl> wsadjw@urc.tue.nl writes:
>In article <1991Aug5.084242.3359@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se writes:
>>But there is also a lot of evidence which does not fit the
>>evolution theory.
>
>Such as?
Well, try giving a convincing set of transitionary forms from the reptile
lung to the avian lung for starters. And how about a convincing set of
forms from the reptile scales to the avian feather.
Actually, why don't you just give us all the necessary transitionary
forms from every "known ancestor" to every species today. That would be
convincing enough for me.
And whilst you're at it, throw in an explanation for why the percentage
difference between the DNA of a given reptile and *all* mammals is the same,
regardless of the fact that different mammals should evolve at different
rates.
Finally, give us the latest estimate on how probable it was for the first
replicating molecule to evolve in a single step.
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From: mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Thanks to Rob Trevelyan
Keywords: Crop Circles
Message-ID: <2530@netmbx.UUCP>
Date: 6 Aug 91 07:44:04 GMT
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In article <1991Aug5.143455.669@vicorp.com> mc@vicorp.UUCP (Mark Charalambous) writes:
>
>Also, lately there seems to be a disturbing trend in this news group.
>There seems to be more and more rubbish posted here, and I'm afraid
>that this will discourage the serious posters from using this group.
>
>Can we cut down on the garbage, please? The best response to obviously
>stupid news posts is to simply ignore them and hope that they will
>go away.
I agree totally with this!
Most of the 'garbabe' in this group is comes from
JOHNF with his stuff about pyramids and solar system travels.
or rather, the replies and flames it provokes (including me!)
I really believe he's making fun and we're all falling for his
provocation..
So why don't we all let him post and just don't respond, that'll cut
down a lot of the 'garbage'.
Also if you want to flame me for this post why don't you send it e-mail
so that it doesn't fill up the group.
(Everything is of course IMHO)
Mike
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From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: 6-10 Inch Disk [was Info: Recent Mufon Conference Recap - Chicago]
Message-ID: <859@carbon.crc.ac.uk>
Date: 6 Aug 91 10:12:22 GMT
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In article <73219.289C6877@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>, Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
>
> > From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
[stuff deleted]
> > the possibility that the disk in question could have had propellors, as
> > I
> > haven't seen the film and I don't know if they would be discernable
> > anyway.
> >
I was at the MUFON Conference, this video was very interesting. About
three minutes of the total (much longer) video were shown.
The film appeared to show a small whitish spherical object. As far as I
could see there were no propellors, but bear in mind that the film was
taken from at least a couple of hundred yards with a domestic camcorder.
STEVE.
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From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Summary: How accurate are reported dates??
Message-ID: <860@carbon.crc.ac.uk>
Date: 6 Aug 91 10:23:30 GMT
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In article <Aug.4.17.31.19.1991.21862@porthos.rutgers.edu>, mcgrew@porthos.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>
> ctdonath@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl T. Donath) writes:
>
> From time to time there were comments from aliens/spirits that
> significant things would be happening soon; ... Has anyone
> collected these "significant dates" so we can see how often
> they are professed?
>
> ... a good question; but the search list for this will be very long.
> UFO books and articles dating back at least to the 1950's include
> references to "the truth" coming out "sometime soon". Sometimes this
[stuff deleted]
> Charles
One problem you would have with this is how accurate are the writers
of the books reporting what the witnesses actually state?
In her book 'Abduction' Jenny Randles mentions, I believe, several
times that witnesses stating that 'something' will happen in 1992. I
know of at least one case where the witness states that they have
never said anything special will happen in 1992. J.R. tends to be
one of the more level headed authors, so if she can make a mistake
what chance do you have if you (have to) rely on more sensationilist
authors?????
STEVE.
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From: p515dfi@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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Date: 6 Aug 91 11:15:42 GMT
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From: huw@spls5.ccs.mt.nec.co.jp (Huw Jonathan Rogers)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Aliens from outer space...
Message-ID: <9108050414.AA08074@spls5.ccs.mt.nec.co.jp>
Date: 5 Aug 91 04:14:01 GMT
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I recently heard a Radio One program in the UK that contained
an interview with a leading proponent of the popular "US Government has
aliens locked up and is experimenting with their spaceplanes" conspiracy
theory. However this particular individual sounded very reasonable, did
not make any outrageous claims, and further had some interesting facts
to disclose. In particular he mentioned several verifiable facts which
I would like some followup on:
Rockwell International and NASA were planning a *massive*
joint exhibition of space exploration this year (1991) but it was delayed
inexplicably until 1992. In the *official* prospectus for this exhibition,
one of the exhibits was clearly stated to be "an extraterrestrial space
craft". When asked about this by various individuals, all enquiries
were referred by NASA to the US DoD. An unnamed Pentagon spokesman speaking
off the record is meant to have indicated that they "had a number of such
vehicles to choose from..."
The Pentagon also held a press conference to deal with press
inquiries on this matter - and refused to answer any questions. In fact
reporters later said that the Pentagon had asked most of the questions,
and they all pertained to "what would be the public reaction if...".
The guy on the radio program referred extensively to two NASA
consultant engineers who claimed to have worked on alien spacecraft
studying propulsion systems for NASA - both had high level security
clearance in the States, were verifiably employed by NASA as senior
consultant engineers, and both were phoned in the States by the station
in a followup program (which I missed) the next day. The followup program
incidentally was only scheduled at the last minute due to record phone
calls from the public swamping Radio 1's 64 line switchboard...
He also claimed that a NSA official had told him off the record
that the NSA was in "electronic communication" with at least eight
extraterrestrial sources of intelligent communication...
He claimed that he possessed a recording of a telephone conversation
with an ex deputy director of the CIA (Casey's deputy as I recall), who
said that they (the CIA) had possession of quite a few alien artefacts,
including bodies, spacecraft and other miscellaneous bits and pieces.
He also verified on tape claims that several alien landings at US AFBs had
occured in the past, and in some cases were common knowledge amongst certain
groups of AFB personnel: "Hear what came in this morning, Joe?"...
Various farmers in a certain area of the US (I forget the state
that was mentioned) regularly discovered bloodless (drained) cattle in
various stages of dismemberment in the early morning. These animals had
had certain glands, body parts, or body fluids surgically removed with a
precision beyond the capabilities of all but the most advanced surgical
laboratories. This problem was so bad that in one place a farmer was in
danger of going bust due to loss of cattle. One explanation advanced was that
aliens were using these cattle as a convenient source of various rare
chemicals/tissues.
The technology in the latest black projects that have progressed
to flight hardware - Aurora, Strike, etc. - seems to be well beyond the
capabilities of current commercial (defense/aerospace) technology. In
particular ablative control surfaces and reliable flight control at speeds
in excess of Mach 4 are characteristics of such craft, sightings of which
are widespread in Nevada along with reliable evidence (supersonic boom
disruption?) of such speeds.
Any comments/hard info. on any of these assertions would be
much appreciated - please post as I am sure others are interested too.
-Huw
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Help!
Message-ID: <1991Aug5.235048.7116@bilver.uucp>
Date: 5 Aug 91 23:50:48 GMT
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In article <1991Aug02.041752.10131@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> woodc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Major Havok) writes:
>
>Attention DON ALLEN:
> I hate to resort to posting personal messages on a news group, but I can
>not get mail delivered to you for some reason. If you see this posting then
>please respond. Did you receive my last posting to you and Jim Shaffer as
>well? (Or all me messages/postings being intercepted by some secret
>government agency that wants to prevent me from obtaining information??)
>Please, please, PLEASE respond if you see this.
>
>--
Yes, Chris, I did get your last message. It must be that this article
and mail routing is taking longer than usual to wend it's way through
the NSA :-)
Try mailing me again..if it bounces, try a re-send..some people have
had to resend a few times (same here with me) ,but be persistent. Once
the mail _does_ get through, it tends to stay that way.
Don
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From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
Subject: Answers to questains.
Message-ID: <91218.074352JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Date: 6 Aug 91 15:43:52 GMT
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Goodmorning everyone. It might be best if I answer a few questains
that has been put forth before going further. Someone ask what is a
space tape? A space tape is an audio recording on a message from a
space person. In the case of the ones I was talking about
it was from beings that are on a higher vibrational frequency than us and
not is the physical form.
I must go but will leave you with this saying; May you live all the
days of your life.
Standard Disclaimer.
John.
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question on significant dates
Message-ID: <1991Aug6.142130.3540@cadence.com>
Date: 6 Aug 91 14:21:30 GMT
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In article <1991Aug5.190220.16288@auc.trw.com> etuggle@dora.UUCP (Eddie Tuggle) writes:
>Is Whitley Strieber generaly considered to be an athority, reliable? I have read Communion
>and found it quite interesting.
>
I wouldn't personally consider Mr. Strieber to be an authority. He is
simply the highest paid. Im not sure what "reliable" means. If it
means, "should we believe what he says", then , certainly not.
I only posted the prior note to let you know what some visible people are
saying on the question of significant dates.
Happy trails.
Joe
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Santa Clara Ca. "Up the airy mountain;down the rushy glen; we
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From: cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Answer to how life got started on Earth.
Message-ID: <1991Aug6.142140.27984@aifh.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 6 Aug 91 14:21:40 GMT
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In article <1991Aug6.001828.26671@latcs1.lat.oz.au> stephens@ipc1.lat.oz.au (Philip J Stephens) writes:
>In article <773@rc6.urc.tue.nl> wsadjw@urc.tue.nl writes:
>>In article <1991Aug5.084242.3359@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se writes:
>>>But there is also a lot of evidence which does not fit the
>>>evolution theory.
>>Such as?
> Well, try giving a convincing set of transitionary forms from the reptile
>lung to the avian lung for starters. And how about a convincing set of
>forms from the reptile scales to the avian feather.
This request is a waste of net bandwidth. You can easily find this kind
of stuff in modern popular evolutionary works, such as the writings of
Gould and Dawkins.
> Actually, why don't you just give us all the necessary transitionary
>forms from every "known ancestor" to every species today. That would be
>convincing enough for me.
Ho ho, killing sarcasm. What do you want before you decide to marry -- a
comparative biography of every living woman?
> And whilst you're at it, throw in an explanation for why the percentage
>difference between the DNA of a given reptile and *all* mammals is the same,
>regardless of the fact that different mammals should evolve at different
>rates.
Why don't you try *learning* a little? The answer is well known: almost
all DNA is idle, and does not contribute to the expressed genotype. The
measurement of difference is the measurement of the background rate of
mutation in the idle DNA, and has been well established by many
experiments to run at a constant rate. That's the experimental basis on
which genetic clocking depends.
> Finally, give us the latest estimate on how probable it was for the first
>replicating molecule to evolve in a single step.
Since nobody thinks this happened, what is your interest in knowing the
probability?
>< Philip J. Stephens >< "Many views yield the truth." >
>< Hons. student, Computer Science >< "Therefore, be not alone."
So this guy is actually a *science* student? Obviously Oz basic science
education could do with being a bit broader. All that I've written above
could have been discovered from reading the quality Sunday newspapers
for a year, there's nothing esoteric about it.
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5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205
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From: jdm@cadence.com (Joe Mastroianni)
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Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
Joe
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From: ddaye@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David C Daye)
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Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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In article <1991Aug6.160911.13402@cadence.com> jdm@cadence.com,
(Joe Mastroianni) writes:
>I still find it difficult to believe that beings capable of intersteller
>multidimensional or whatever else , travel, would choose to deal directly
>with the U.S.government. This does not compute.
It may depend on what you're computing. I think of 2 possibilities in
response to the standard question of "If they're coming here, why haven't
they contacted us formally?"
1) Have you ever "contacted" the ants? We see them, we may stare at
them or occasionally experiment with them. But given the differences
between them and us in levels of complexity, there isn't much meaning
to the term "contact." And even closer to our own level, there are
lots of reasons to suspect that "contact" between aliens and any of
our institutions would be pointless or nearly meaningless to them.
2) I have the impression that we do "contact" apes fairly regularly.
That is, researchers attempting to hang around with chimp or
gorrilla troupes (in or out of captivity) do take some trouble to
learn the body language and to establish relationships with the
leader, position in the pecking order, etc. -- at least some people
under some circumstances do this. I know it's true: I saw it on
TV!! Anyways this is perhaps one analogue for possible alien
contact with a social structure that could be vastly inferior to
their own.
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From: wsadjw@rw7.urc.tue.nl (Jan Willem Nienhuys)
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Subject: Re: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]
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Date: 6 Aug 91 16:22:22 GMT
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In article <2172@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> p515dfi@mpirbn.UUCP (Daniel Fischer) writes:
> Various farmers in a certain area of the US (I forget the state
>that was mentioned) regularly discovered bloodless (drained) cattle in
>various stages of dismemberment in the early morning. These animals had
>had certain glands, body parts, or body fluids surgically removed with a
>precision beyond the capabilities of all but the most advanced surgical
>laboratories. This problem was so bad that in one place a farmer was in
>danger of going bust due to loss of cattle. One explanation advanced was that
>aliens were using these cattle as a convenient source of various rare
>chemicals/tissues.
Oh my goodness. The surgical precision beyond the ken of ordinary technology
bit again. This old nut rears it head so often, even after dismemberment,
that it is probably the Hydra of Lerna (as you remember, cutting the heads
of the Hydra of Lerna didn't work, even when done with surgical precision.
Old Hercules approached it differently. He cauterised the wounds after he
removed the heads - with surgical precision of course, not just your old
Hippocratic surgery, but pre-Hippocratic surgery, only known to the
cosmonautic semigods, since then a lost art especially as the surgical
instruments consisted of only one (1!) bronze sword, no doubt forged by
Merlin or the Lady of the Lake. Cauterizing was also done the semi-divine
way namely with torches and an assistant, in short by FLAMING!!).
I will humbly emulate Hercules (or his assistant). I can assure you, this
flame is patently divine, because the words flow from my fingers almost
before I think them up.
This cattle mutilation bit is thought up by silly woolly blockheads,
who couldn't distinguish a chain saw from a surgical knife, and who,
when they happen on a dead animal that has been gnawed at by small
predators (who like the soft parts, like the genitals, yes these
so called "certain glands" why mince words, their balls of course,-
when they happen on such things, these paranormal yokels can only
think up the most implausible explanation, UFO's and Satanic Rituals
(you know these guys that revel in sneaking up on dead carcasses in the
dead of the night and relish in biting off - with surgical precision of
course - their half rotten eyes, cunts and dicks and arses - (off the
carcasses of course), all in the sick imagination of UFO-freaks and
Fundamentalist devil-hunters and hillbilly cops) and what have you.
Yechch (sp?).
It really doesn't help to send police officers, pathologists,
veterinary surgeons and so on to investigate, because whatever they say
sinks in the morassess of the hordes of ignorant nitwits and
summertime journalism, to vanish out of sight forever and ever.
So, maybe this Hydra head has been cauterised. Next. Only one
myriad to go.
J.W. Nienhuys,
Research Group Discrete Mathematics
Dept. of Mathematics and Computing Science
Eindhoven University of Technology
P.O. BOX 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven
The Netherlands
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From: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan)
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Subject: Winchester Crop Circles
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Subject: A Strange Object/New Circles at the Punchbowl
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While driving home from Twyford, Hants on Wednesday evening
along the M3 with my wife we noticed this strange dark object
"flying ?" above us . It was very much a oval/rectangle shape and
seemed to be flying about 45 degrees forward of vertical . This
object had a very bright light at the top and bottom of the view
we could see and these were not flashes but pulsing . This object
gradually gained speed and as it did so the pulsing lights got
faster and faster . Eventually it sped up and was a good five miles
in front of us but still parallel to the M3 and the pulsing light was
still extremely bright . The light seemed to be pulsing and the two
lights seemed to pulse and create a third in the middle of them.
We were also aware of another object pacing it but about half a mile
behind it. This could have been a helicopter as it had a flashing light
but it also had a bright white light coming from underneath it like a
spotlight . Eventually the bright pulsing red light really sped up and
disappeared below the horizon. It was about 9:50 and getting quite dark
but we could make out that the object, what ever it was, was very large.
We live within about 10 miles from RAF Odiham , a Chinook helicopter
base and at first thought it was a Chinook, but dismissed this as even
one of these that low would be heard over the road noise. It was
probably twice the size of a Chinook and had totally different lights
underneath it and these were far too bright and were pulsing.
All very strange ....
The weird part of the story is that after this light had disappeared
my wife joked that it was probably on its way home from creating a
crop circle in the Punch Bowl .
Well, curiosity took over and last evening we went down to Cheesefoot
Head to see if anything had appeared and to our amazement there is
a formation in the Punch Bowl. This formation a basically a 2 or 3
ringed circle with a tail and is near the edge on the left . We saw
it about 10 pm last evening and as it was nearly dark details of
the formation were quite sketchy . It could be a hoax as it is near
the edge for easy access and its tail or spur looked rough . I will
probably go back down there over the weekend and check this out .
If it is for real I wonder if it is tied up with the pulsing light ?
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I re-visited the Punch Bowl on Friday night and the formation
looks a genuine one. It is basically a "insectogram" head and
antennae . The head is two rings with very large curving paths
coming from it with smaller circles at the end .
Also Thursday night a new formation appeared by the very first
formation at Chilcomb . This is difficult to see from the road but
looks similar to the original one but larger . Friday night it had
been swamped with people and is now probably very trampled.
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