Woodworking chat

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Date:  3/7/1996

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<<Digging out from the blizzard of '96 this turned out to be a lively chat.  Topics this evening ranged from finish, where to find a furniture design, making quick estimates of wood needs for projects, and a wax formula for lathe work, to where to look for tools, veneer, and edge joining.

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Digging out from the blizzard of '96 this turned out to be a lively chat.  Topics this evening ranged from finish, where to find a furniture design, making quick estimates of wood needs for projects, and a wax formula for lathe work, to where to look for tools, veneer, and edge joining.

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OnlineHost: *** You are in "American Woodworker". ***

OnlineHost:

ElseNew: Hello All

DIRubin0: Is there a topic tonight ?

FredD17209: I sand finish coat of Laquer down to 1200 wet or dry then rub out

with Meguiars #4

ElseNew: Tonight is cabinet chat

Bobalice: OK fffffFred, Awsh nis my faaavorite light weood--cherry for

dark--and, I like the dif  sap

DIRubin0: Thank EN

Bobalice: sorry abpou that

ElseNew: Is everyone else buried in snow like me?

FredD17209: don't you finsh your casework EN?

DIRubin0: About 30" worth

Bobalice: cold if Florida

DIEWORKS: looking for a nice design to copy for a cherry dresser set.(2" snow

in NE)

ElseNew: Most of the time, but not always Fred

DIEWORKS: bob r u a gator fan?

ElseNew: We got about 24" in Ct DieW

DIEWORKS: wow

ElseNew: Have you tried looking in Fine Furniture DieW?

DIEWORKS: so what kind of projects is everybody working on?

DIRubin0: Finishing a display case

DIEWORKS: yes i get that mag. thnx.

ElseNew: Corner cupboard

GJohns421: hello wood workers- one designs here

MKreinb532: looking into  futons

Bobalice: How do youguys  feel about using sap wood oon a cherry or walnut

top

Chagkit: Hi Everybody - I'm new on AOL and this is a first time in this chat

room

DIRubin0: welcome

GJohns421: welcome Chag

ElseNew: Hi Chag

DIEWORKS: me too howdy

ElseNew: Don't like it Bobalice

DIRubin0: I personally don'y like sap wood but if the design works why not

Chagkit: Any woodturners in the room?

GJohns421: sap wood ok if seasoned

GJohns421: turner here

Chagkit: GJohns- where do you hail from?

DIRubin0: I find when cherry darkens sap wood becomes more pronounced

MKreinb532: do you have to be an artist to be a turner?

GJohns421: mobile, AL

FredD17209: Bob Sam maloof uses contrasting walnut and sap on dining tables

Chagkit: Im in Cleveland, Ohio - land of snow,snow and more snow

DIEWORKS: xplain sapwood im not to with it

Bobalice: What does seasoned    mean--I was thinking of appearance

VJEJH: Hi All

SPYRO G: What are we building?

MKreinb532: anybody interested in shaker?

GJohns421: the natral state of the flitch determines my design

Chagkit: MK-If you have to be an artist, I better give up quick!

ElseNew: Hi VJ

ElseNew: Yes MK

SPYRO G: Shaker Based!

VJEJH: gotta Luv It!

GJohns421: season does not effect apperence-- just the stability of the

project

ElseNew: Dry Bobalice-Is it Bob or Alice tonight

GJohns421: we must remember that wood never dies

MKreinb532: spyro what have you done?

Chagkit: Need some advice about a good bowl lathe - can anyone help?

DIEWORKS: good point Gjohns

GJohns421: tool maker DIEWORKS?

GELLR: Any one know any quick formula for estimating the bd ft quantity for

cabinet face frames?

Dt1212: hi all

SPYRO G: Nothing radical,slight refinement.

ElseNew: Chag ask Steve Blenk on thursday night

GJohns421: 30% waste

MKreinb532: where should i start if i want to be a lathe hand

BClancy396: what is the best wood to use for a fireplace mantle

ElseNew: Hi Dt

SPYRO G: Pins or tails first?

DIEWORKS: theres a nice 1 for sale in omaha right now- delta like new

Chagkit: Thanx, ENew

GJohns421: pins, pine

ElseNew: I take square footage and add 25% Gell

SPYRO G: Paint or stain on the mantle?

BClancy396: stain

GJohns421: paint and stain

Chagkit: Looking for a General 260 or maybe a Woodfast in the Northern Ohio

area

DIEWORKS: sorry chag

SPYRO G: Light look or dark look?

BClancy396: light look

DIEWORKS: maple , rock maple my pref

SPYRO G: Cherry is my favorite,more medium though.

Dt1212: talking about any thing in particular tonight?

GJohns421: pine, heart pine my pref.

SPYRO G: Yes pins or tails first?

MKreinb532: cherry is great for shaker look

GJohns421: pins

BClancy396: i might like heart pine

DIEWORKS: cherry definitily if darker i love cherry

GELLR: Thanks ElseNew, I plan on ordering material for face frames tomorrow.

Nicksland: hello

Chagkit: Anyone been using sasifras?

GJohns421: hi nick

SPYRO G: Bow saw anyone?

Nicksland: hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GJohns421: sas. vry weak

Phoenixpet: hello all

GJohns421: dont make any ladders

Nicksland: hi john

DIEWORKS: hi nick where from?

Chagkit: I agree that sas. is weak, but sure smells good while working it -

finishes well, too.

OSMITHJX: anyone know where i can find a source for carriage type wheels with

spokes

GJohns421: so does rose wood

ElseNew: Yes Chag

MKreinb532: makes good soda pop 2

Chagkit: But rose is very expensive - sas. if cheap and plentiful

Phoenixpet: buisy nite took 10 min to sign on

MKreinb532: only 10?

GJohns421: so is heart pine-- talk about pleasant aroma

SPYRO G: Just rebuilt a wine cellar in a large old Greek Revival with heart

pine.Great to work with.

Phoenixpet: long for me

Chagkit: Made magazine racks for the kids with sas and they came out great

Chagkit: Any good sources for heart pine?

GJohns421: where are you spiro- large greek comm. here in mobile

ElseNew: Plenty strong for magazine racks Chag

DFergu3723: best finish for "distrest" pine furn to get that antique look?

ElseNew: Hello Phoenix hello Nick

Bobalice: Naples,Fl  I'm bob

GJohns421: wax heart pine for the "pumkin pine color"

SPYRO G: Also delivered a 5 piece furniture order from heart pine>

Phoenixpet: hi ElseNew

DIEWORKS: any adv on fastening marble top to cherry dresser?

GJohns421: sand to shine then use carnuba

SPYRO G: Ma

SPYRO G: Ma

DFergu3723: what type of wax?

GJohns421: let marble sit unfettered to the dresser it cant fall

ElseNew: Use a small bead of phenoseal

Chagkit: GJ - How do you use carnuba wax - don't have any idea how?

FredD17209: Dexel furniture uses chain in burlap bag for what they call

"richly distressed look"

DIEWORKS: ok thanx Gjohns

GJohns421: carnuba car wax-- maybe mother's brand

Chagkit: Right out of the can?

Phoenixpet: P L premium will do the adhesion

SPYRO G: Anyone interested in buying an 18" Delta Radial Arm Saw>

Dt1212: die...probably like solid surface materials  ..dabs of silicone

DIEWORKS: yes how much?

GJohns421: chang sand the wood to shine then wax as per your car

ElseNew: Silicone works fine Dt

DIEWORKS: thanx DT1212

Chagkit: I'll Try carnuba on the next lathe piece - Thanx

Dt1212: gj ...great looking finnish

GJohns421: works for most woods

SPYRO G: 7" Deep cut 24"Wide   $2500.00

GJohns421: sort of durable

JRuggini: looking for suggestions for scroll saw

SPYRO G: With 5 extra blades

SPYRO G: Perfect condition

Dt1212: gj..is that like..sort of pregnant?  lol

DIEWORKS: Spyro Gyra thats big! a little too much for me

GJohns421: chang- slowly heat 1 part tung to 3 parts wax for lathe

SPYRO G: Make offer

Chagkit: GJ - pure tung or polymerized?

BClancy396: what is the most user friendly scroll saw on the market

GJohns421: $100.00

DIEWORKS: what year about is it

Phoenixpet: any one framing outside in the N.Y. area?

GJohns421: either

Chagkit: Thanx

ElseNew: Ho ho Phoenix

SPYRO G: Good question

Chagkit: BC - I have an

GJohns421: the oil seems to help lubricate the spin

Chagkit: I have an AMT, BC - I don't recommend it

DSolper: hello

ElseNew: Hi DS

Dt1212: phoen...not with out snow shoes

BClancy396: i have a delta and blade change is cumbersome

DSolper: whats up

Phoenixpet: no fooling we shovel out tomorrow

SHPSMITH: Has anyone used the Shopsmith Scrollsaw?

Sawdust32: Hi fellow woodworkers, whats the topic tonight?

SPYRO G: Whats the best 3hp router plunge or not>

GJohns421: could frame here but that sport is for the younger bucks

ElseNew: We're sort of all over the place tonight DS

DIEWORKS: ive got a delta jig saw with opt blade chuck works good

GJohns421: hi saw

BClancy396: no tell us about it

DSolper: porter cable 5 sp router

Phoenixpet: this buck is 44

ElseNew: Cabinet chat tonight Saw

DIEWORKS: bosch routers are the best ive used

SPYRO G: is that plunge or not?

GJohns421: phoen- we share more than our interest of wood

JRuggini: thanks to those response to scroll saw

DSolper: yes it can be either or

FredD17209: I'll second that DIE

SPYRO G: Had a Makita 3hp plunge did not like the action!

Finsfour: Just finished a 8' X 12' shade house.

GJohns421: each router garners a portion of the specific market or they would

quit mAking them

GJohns421: ie each router is designed for a specific jopb

DIEWORKS: model # 1615 evs 3 1/4 hp plunge is

SHPSMITH: GJohns, Isn't that true with all Woodworking equipment

FredD17209: course they don't compare tothe Stanleys they replaced

GJohns421: yes

Dt1212: jr...you might get a better response on a different night ..but stick

around

Bobalice: A trim route r is a great aaddition whenyou want to uasew 1/4

bits

JRuggini: got to go dig out we got 26 inches of snow in jersey

DSolper: i have 3 1/2 hp porter cable router like it but wish i had the 5

speed more versitile

GJohns421: jr. buy thre router if you know what you want to do with it, then

buy the most routetr you can afford

Chagkit: Gotta go, ladies and gentlemen - thanx for the chat - - Goodnight

SHPSMITH: JR-Sounds like Dayton. Have a good evening and stay warm

DIEWORKS: good advice gjohns

JEder3: so elsenew is this cabinet chat or what?

GJohns421: bye chang

ElseNew: Nite Chag

GJohns421: cabinets ok

BClancy396: see you guys thanks for the advice on the heart pine

DIEWORKS: yes lets talk cabinets!

SHPSMITH: Bye B

ElseNew: Yes JE

Dt1212: bc..good luck

SPYRO G: To change the subject ,thoughts on market for knock-down furniture

,utilizing sliding dove t

ElseNew: But right now its or what

GJohns421: cabinets here too

Sawdust32: SHPSMITH- are you connected to Shopsmith, Inc.?

SHPSMITH: Yes, but not pushing product. Only interested in the dicussion

groups.

ElseNew: How often do you intend to knock it down Spyro?

Dt1212: spy ..using solid stock?

GJohns421: spyro- the market is flooded with system factory type furniture

JEder3: Looking to build bookcases in alcoves on each side of my fireplace do

you reccommend  build

Sawdust32: I have a mark v myself- think its great

JEder3: ing in place or building in shop and moving in place later

DIEWORKS: spyro- theres sliding d.t. in fine furniture mag last mo.

GJohns421: cabinet?

SPYRO G: For apartment dwellers.   panel stock with solid trim

FredD17209: build in shop

DSolper: build in shop move later

ElseNew: Build in shop JE

JRuggini: shpsmith, what do you think of the router tablefor the markv

Phoenixpet: woodmaster ??

Dt1212: je...build in shop then trim in place

GJohns421: field entensive here

JEder3: sounds like a general concensus

DIEWORKS: what is John 4:21 anyway?

GJohns421: the real skill happens in the installation

Zerber1: No just alot of shop based guys

Frau Andi: Hello..any ideas about distressed hardware? Building a steamer

trunk.

GJohns421: die ss number

Dt1212: je..what are you building them out of?

DIEWORKS: oh

ElseNew: No Zerb building in shop is a superior way

JEder3: Cherry ply and solid cherry

Zerber1: Agreed Else

JRuggini: good night

Dt1212: je good choice

ElseNew: Night JR

GJohns421: else- shop to square and level for field

Bobalice: Why use ply for anything but drawer bottoms?

DIEWORKS: can someone weigh diff. between unisaw & powermatic 66?

GJohns421: ply stable

Dt1212: gj...level..or straight?

SPYRO G: Any thoughts on best 10" or12" slide compound saw?

DIEWORKS: i have to choose tomorrow

GJohns421: all

ElseNew: Both good Die

Zerber1: JE wwill the stiles be scribed to fit bricks or stone?

Phoenixpet: any input on "stabila " bubbles?

GELLR: JE - are you going to build or purchase raised panel doors?

GJohns421: die look at the fence they offer as standard

JEder3: Hitachi 's new 10 inch just sold one at work - theres sweetspyro

FredD17209: tried Powermatic flashed out two motors in one week , bought

unisaw and never looked back

Livediver: What is the topic tonight????

DIEWORKS: beismeyer on the 66 jet on the delta

Bobalice: I am 100 per centr satisfied with the Dewalt 12 inch

ElseNew: Cabinet chat Live

GJohns421: good die good

JRuggini: shpsmith you have a response

JEder3: No stone or bricks, thinking on buying panels from mail (trend-lines)

anybody ever bought an

SPYRO G: Well thanks for the help,make sure everyone has ten fingers and both

eyes next time!

MadOvHeart: hiyas all

DIEWORKS: so the delta, then?

GJohns421: dewalt 12 used all day with no complaints

ElseNew: Hi Mad

JEder3: y from there, inexperienced at making raised panels

DIEWORKS: dewalt 12" what saw?

GJohns421: yes die the delta with the beis.66\

ElseNew: I have a Delta Unisaw and like it very much Die

Dt1212: nite spy

Zerber1: The raised panels are where the funs at

MadOvHeart: evening paul,,,great crowd tonight

DIEWORKS: gj Beis is on 66

GJohns421: 10-4

ElseNew: I guess it just takes a little snow Mad

GJohns421: no snow in mobile, al

GELLR: JE - I'm considering buying door panels for some new cabinets.  Is it

less$ to buy or build?

Zerber1: Hey Else when you going to write a profile?

Dt1212: toooo cold in the shop

MadOvHeart: That might be so<grin>

GJohns421: geller remember the door sizes are your respon.

ElseNew: There should be one there Zerb

Phoenixpet: great talking as always evening all

JEder3: i think its cheaper to buy definitelty easier

MadOvHeart: i got tired ov being snowed in AT the shop,,so i got outta the

snow belt

HITCH47106: GEE! sure wish I HAD A UNISAW , OH WELL MAYBE NEXT X- MAS

ElseNew: Nite Phoenix

Dt1212: phoen...gnite

SHPSMITH: JE , But where is the pride of doing something your self?

GJohns421: walked south until someone asked me what the snow shovel on my

sholder was called

DIEWORKS: come use my new one 2morrow hitch

JEder3: Don't own a shaper cost right there altho can do on tablesaw

GJohns421: be careful je

ElseNew: Much easier on shaper JE

FredD17209: better color and grain matching if you make your own doors I

think

ElseNew: Good point Fred

DaveLVWA1: Veneer ? anyone

MadOvHeart: just the THOUGHT of running a moulding head on a table saw scares

me

Bobalice: No snow in s fl, but at 45 to 50-- too damn cold to work in the

shop withj the door open.

MadOvHeart: <shudder>

ElseNew: All the time Dave

GJohns421: good door people will meet your spec for color and grain match

DIEWORKS: much safer too je - hard to work with 4 fingers.

HITCH47106: Die works  Love to but you'd probably never get me to quit!

Dt1212: dave..gotta question?

DaveLVWA1: Else, how does the pre-adheesed stuff hold up?

GELLR: Sears Tablesaw Fence - Any ideas on building a shop-made table saw

fence?

ElseNew: Spotty Dave

DaveLVWA1: better to glue yourself?

Dt1212: bob  ctrl fl know what you mean

ElseNew: Yes Dave

Livediver: Does anyone have ideas on undercabinet spice rack that pivots up

for storage??

DIEWORKS: gell ive been drawing up some designs myself

DaveLVWA1: Thanks Else

MadOvHeart: If you're just starting out, dave, try to go with the

paper-backed veneer,,much easier to

MadOvHeart: handle

ElseNew: Or 2 ply

GJohns421: just added cad to this mac

DaveLVWA1: paper backed meaning pre-glued?

MadOvHeart: and with paper back,,,you can cheat,,and used contact<grin>

ElseNew: Paper backed is usually paper thin

ElseNew: No Dave but it is flat

HITCH47106: GELLR- Saw a pretty neat one once made out of thick wall 1 1/4

elec conduit

Sailwood: Someone mentioned hot melt sheets for veneering the other night.

Any experience ou there?

MadOvHeart: paul, not if you stay away from "door skins" and buy from a

decent supply

Dt1212: dave like all paper

JSDOPM: Wood workers store catalog has some of the hrd wr for under cabinet

spice cab.

GJohns421: hot melt here

Livediver: thanks JS

Sailwood: How do you like it,GJ?

Dt1212: weldwood here

J Stiegel: I just entered what is the subject?

GELLR: DW - did you see the design in FW earlier this year?  Do you think

it's worth the time?

ElseNew: Weldwood plastic resin glue is very good for veneering

GJohns421: clothes iron wrapped in cloth

Dt1212: js pick one

Livediver: is system response time down tonight or is it just me?

ElseNew: Veneer right now JS

GJohns421: you live you

Dt1212: live ..its not you

J Stiegel: thanks elsenew

SHPSMITH: Not you, system is really sloooow

GJohns421: can we request the speed to increase?

HITCH47106: GJ- I use a small iron made to heat shrink plastic film for  r.c.

airplanes

Livediver: must be the coooold and snow up here

Sailwood: The more people using the system, the slower it is.

GJohns421: warm here

Dt1212: gj...where are you?

GJohns421: thank sail- welcome

GJohns421: mobile, al

J Stiegel: has anyone had experience selling boxes using inca jig joints? do

they sell?

MadOvHeart: wow,,,,two AW hosts,,,we must be in trouble

Dt1212: gj its 'cold ' in fl tonight

ALLENEAS: hi, I'm allen, home improvement contr, specialize in old home

renovations.  can't work

JSDOPM: Is there any opinions re edge joining boards with biscuts or just

glue?

GJohns421: what a novel idea JS

ALLENEAS: because i'm stuck in 3 feet of snow in b'more.

JEder3: good question j s anybody used the inca jig

DIEWORKS: use biscuits

J Stiegel: good joiner edge and yellow glue is as good as you can get.

ElseNew: Just glue up JS

GJohns421: use bis.

DaveLVWA1: biscuits not that much more trouble

Dt1212: jsd ..what is it to be used for?

FredD17209: JS I edge glued until I got biscuit cutter

Sailwood: Biscuits are good for aligning the boards, but add strenght

unecessarily in some cases.

DIEWORKS: alternate biscuits so not in center of edge its really strong!

HITCH47106: JS -I only use biscuits to align tricky setups otherwise just

glue

MadOvHeart: when is anything TOO strong?

FredD17209: for instance?

JSDOPM: I'm still lost here folks lots of opinion but reasons?

GJohns421: unesssary stength?

GELLR: Dieworks - Did you see the fence dsgn in Fine Woodworking last summer?

Is it worth the time?

JKF16: jsdo a good glue joint shouldnt need a biscut

ElseNew: When its stronger than the wood itself Mad

SHPSMITH: Biscuits are better than dowels and more foregiving

Dt1212: js...you'll need an engineer for reasons

Sailwood: You don't need to spend the time gluing up panels, but for

structural integrity in carcases

MadOvHeart: but unless it adds stress to the joint, i can't see strength

being a problem<shrug>

FredD17209: all glues are stronger then the wood

DIEWORKS: glue can sep after time y chance it ?

Sailwood: etc., it's a good thing as Martha would say.

JSDOPM: I'm glueing up boards for a cupboard 10-14 in.

J Stiegel: i have furniture sold to customers 10 yrs ago jointed and edge

glued. no callbacks yet.

Livediver: most of the time good glue is stronger than material it bonds

Dt1212: js...just glue wiill be fine

HITCH47106: JS- the reason I mostly use just glue is that a good glue joint

is stronger than the wood

JSDOPM: Thanks to all

KWMcclure: Greetings

GJohns421: gluing end grain like sitle to rail requires more the close fit

and good glue

ElseNew: Hi KW

DIEWORKS: no GJ I just started getting that mag and i sure wish there were

more issues.

KWMcclure: Had a bit of a hard time finding this. (grin)

MadOvHeart: actually,,,i mainly use the Lamellos mainly for alignment,,,a

good glue is more than

MadOvHeart: effective

Dt1212: js ..sorry we kinda bombarded you

ElseNew: Gluing up end grain I would use the biscuits or dowels etc

FredD17209: so do I J but biscuits speed the assembly and align edges fast

JKF16: js the best reason to use biscuts is alignment

JSDOPM: No sweat I'm looking to learn

JEder3: o.k. new subject

GJohns421: loose tenon double mortise

Dt1212: je ..did we beat that one to death or what?

DIEWORKS: ps i do have a tend. to overdo

JEder3: or what

GJohns421: isnt it

Dt1212: je...die...LOL

HITCH47106: GJ-are the tenons sxs or 1over the other?

GJohns421: both

GELLR: Dieworks- suggest you check local library. It looks like a simple and

cheap fence to build.

DIEWORKS: whats LOL?

HITCH47106: GJ- at the same time! GOOD GRIEF!

KWMcclure: (laugh-out-loud, Die)

J Stiegel: where do you use a loose tendon double mortise?

Dt1212: laugh out loud

GJohns421: must say good nite gentlemen thanks

DIEWORKS: thnx

DIEWORKS: thanx gj

ElseNew: Nite GJ

SHPSMITH: Nice group. Have a good evening all. We'll see you at a later time!

Dt1212: gj gnite

HITCH47106: NIte GJ

ElseNew: Nite SHP

DaveLVWA1: goodnight guys

KWMcclure: nite gj, shop

Dt1212: gnite shop

HITCH47106: Nite SHP

Ojaiwood: mad, is it snowing in s cruz?  im in socal myself. spend a lot of

time there salmon fishing...woodwork

ElseNew: Nite Dave

GELLR: Thanks for the help everyone, Nite ElseNew.

MadOvHeart: snowing? ack,,no,,it was about 65 today

ElseNew: Nite Gell

KWMcclure: Anyone got a good source for good used hand tools?

KWMcclure: Not collectors stuff...users stuff

JEder3: auctions in your area KWM?

KWMcclure: Not often, and they're usually for collectors. (sigh)...

Ojaiwood: 87 here today.  what do you do there? i'm a cabmker.

J Stiegel: je just what i would have suggessted

DIEWORKS: pawn shops around here have lots

Dt1212: kwm...paper..farm auctions...estate sales

MadOvHeart: i fun a custom shop near Carmel

KWMcclure: Where is "here", Die

DIEWORKS: omaha neb

JSDOPM: Auctions and Estate Sales takes time but best I know

KWMcclure: Yeah, estate sales are good...I've gotten some there

MadOvHeart: fun=run,,ack

Sailwood: DIE:  I spent some time in Wahoo about thirty years ago.

MadOvHeart: uh oh,,,we're losin folks fast here,,,let's pick it up

HITCH47106: KW- you might try garage sales, got some real finds at those

DIEWORKS: i was there last week!

Sailwood: Still pretty small I bet.

KWMcclure: Yeah. Got my Stanley 5 1/4 at a G-sale

DIEWORKS: ill bet theres lots of hand tools in that town!

J Stiegel: are there any crafts folks in the room?

ElseNew: Well gotta run folks. See you next week

KWMcclure: Bye else

MadOvHeart: nite paul, thanks

DIEWORKS: bye else