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From: woodc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Chris Wood)
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Subject: Re: That Face on Mars!!!
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Date: 11 Jul 91 22:37:43 GMT
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In article <15481@vpk2.UUCP> craig@vpk2.ATT.COM (Craig Campbell) writes:
>What about those pictograms scattered about? You know, the bugs etched into
>the desert or some such thing. Of course there are those who argue that
>aliens created these as well.
>
>Go figure...
>
>craig
I meant structures which were built/carved to honor a leader, etc... All
these man made structures such as the carvings in Mount Rushmore, or statues
such as the Statue of Liberty are built facing horizontally. I do not agree
with what many people say about the designs of insects and animals drawn in
the ground. I rather than strictly being used as a type of a caledar, I
believe that these were also created to cummunicate with the 'gods' (in
other words, the aliens). Maybe they were just artwork for the 'gods', who
knows. Anyway, the point is is that designs created so that they are visible
best from above generally aren't created to honor an individual or thing.
If this face was created by an intelligence, then it is likely that it
wasn't created as a monument to one of their leaders (unless of course
they have heavy trafic in this part of the universe and decided to create
a sort of inter-galactic landmark for their tourists). :-)
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
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In article <316@jabaru.oz.au> 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans) writes:
>
>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
>>
>>The frustrating part for me is that all of the facts have been covered up.
>>Just what is the truth? What the f*** is going on?
>>
>>If a crash occured at Roswell, and aliens were recovered, then to me,
>>this would be the most significant event that has occurred in all of
>>human history. Does anyone else agree with this viewpoint??
>
>I would also have to agree that based on fact a craft did crash at Roswell
>back in 1947. There has been a lot of written information (third party)
>detailing investigations regarding this incident. A new book is about to be
>released on the Roswell incident which discloses some fantastic facts about
>the incident. The authors have spent a considerable amount of time
>researching the incident and in light of the new evidence and information
>contained in the book (providing it is correct) I am convinced that an alien
>craft DID crash at Roswell. Your viewpoint regarding an important event in
There is a book out now called "UFO Crash At Roswell" and I would recommend
it _most highly_. The authors are Kevin Randle, Capt, USAF-Ret and Don
Schmitt. Published by AVON and available in paperback. This book is a MUST
READ for anyone interested in finding out all the details. The book names
PLENTY of names.
This book,in my opinion, is the ~smoking gun~ that exposes the Govt COVERUP.
Don
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Article: 1179 of alt.alien.visitors
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From: johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed)
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Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
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In article <4480@anasaz.UUCP> billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
>>
>>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
>>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
>>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
>
>What evidence do you know about that supports the crashed UFO claim? Aside
>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
>
Good point Bill. You should know just as much as anyone I suppose.
So far, I'm about half way through Randle and Schmitt's Roswell book,
and I would say this:
Based on what is presented in the book, take witness A's testimony +
witness B's testimony + witness C's testimony + ......
(you get the picture), I would conclude that an alien craft had crashed.
Can peoples' testimony that you read in a book be taken as evidence?
I tried to state that I'm no expert in UFO matters. Of course I don't
have any direct evidence! I would not pretend that I'm an expert, and
I surely wouldn't spout off that "I know for sure".
I guess what you're trying to do is question the manner in which I
reach my own personal conclusions. I would say that Vallee's Confrontations
book and the mentioned Roswell book are honest attempts to present evidence
that UFO's are for real. Should I discount the evidence presented in
the books just because I don't have any direct, physical proof?
And about those "flimsy hearsay statements": Are you very politely stating
that each of the witnesses making statements in these books are liars?
Are you attempting to very subtly de-bunk these books, and the reputable
authors who wrote them?
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
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In article <4480@anasaz.UUCP> billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
>In article <316@jabaru.oz.au> 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans) writes:
>>
>>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
>>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
>>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
>
>What evidence do you know about that supports the crashed UFO claim? Aside
>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
>
>... stuff deleted ...
Mr Moore..it is plenty obvious to me that you haven't got a bloody clue!
Go get some books and do your research!!
I would most heartily recommend the Randle/Schmitt book, "UFO Crash
at Roswell" that just came out in paperback and published by AVON
books.
Not to mention that Stanton Friedman has been also working on this
for years...
Don
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Article: 1182 of alt.alien.visitors
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From: skywalker@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Keywords: ufo encounter
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Date: 11 Jul 91 15:14:38 GMT
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In article <625@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600hubb@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Richard Hubbell) writes:
.>Did anyone see a show that had a piece on a ufo encounter in Texas?
.>I saw part of it tonite (7-10-91) I missed a portion of it when
.>signal went out from channel 6. A woman, her mother, and a child
.>were driving when they saw some kind of craft. They stopped and the
.>woman got out of the car to look at the ufo. The encounter lasted about
.>ten minutes. The ufo was hovering the whole time. The ufo left and
.>the woman got into the car as they were leaving a squadron of
.>helicopters approached (the older woman counted 23 helicopters) she
.>described them as the type with to rotors. Approx. 6 hours later they
.>all became ill. The mother had the worst symptoms, followed by the
.>child and then the older woman. According to the physician treating her
.>she suffered from radiation exposure. Her skin was burned and she
.>eventually lost her hair. A ufo researcher went to the site where
.>this occurred and verified a dark patch of the asphalt that had been
.>scarred by intense heat. I think his name was Schlouser(sp.) he also
.>was told later that some trucks had gone to the site and removed all
.>traces of the burnt asphalt and replaced it with new.
.> At first the Air Force acknowledged that something did
.>occur but then they went back on there original claim and denied that
.>anything happened. I'd like to hear more about this incident if
.>anyone can add more info. It happened 10 years ago in late 1980
.>in Texas(Dayton?). All three are still alive but the woman has been
.>diagnosed with cancer and the older woman and child still also
.>suffer from strange illnesses.
.>
.>RH
We don't get much press about it here but it comes up every once and
a while. Both adults and suffering from severe medical problems
(cancer, leukemia), the child has shown no medical problems yet.
The government still say's nothing happened. The also claim they
never had that many helicopters in this part of Texas at any time.
My guess is they (the military) were moving a craft from one site
to another with a helicopter escort and were spotted or maybe they
were test flying it.
Tim
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Article: 1194 of alt.alien.visitors
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From: marz@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.zam)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: George Knapp and KLAS in Las Vegas...
Keywords: KLAS, George Knapp, video tape, 9-part series
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Earlier this week I requested a copy of the nine part series that
George Knapp did on the UFO research in the area known as S-4 on
the local military base. Not one person mailed or posted in response.
I turned to the net because KLAS was unwilling to produce any more
video tape copies "due to overwhelming demand". Didn't anybody
on this news group get a copy? Did anybody see this series? Did it
ever really happen?!?
I would like to restart the discussion on this series. I was really
starting to enjoy it, when it abruptly ended. Did all of you who saw
this get erased like the fellow who worked at S-4? I wonder...
Thanks in advance,
Martin Zam
(201)564-2554
Article: 1201 of alt.alien.visitors
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From: billy@anasaz (Bill Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
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In article <999@systech.bjorn.COM> johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>In article <4480@anasaz.UUCP> billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore) writes:
>>>
>>>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:
>>>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to
>>>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened
>>>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.
>>
>>What evidence do you know about that supports the crashed UFO claim? Aside
>>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
>>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
>>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
>>
>
>Good point Bill. You should know just as much as anyone I suppose.
>
>So far, I'm about half way through Randle and Schmitt's Roswell book,
>and I would say this:
>
> Based on what is presented in the book, take witness A's testimony +
> witness B's testimony + witness C's testimony + ......
> (you get the picture), I would conclude that an alien craft had crashed.
>
>Can peoples' testimony that you read in a book be taken as evidence?
>
>I tried to state that I'm no expert in UFO matters. Of course I don't
>have any direct evidence! I would not pretend that I'm an expert, and
>I surely wouldn't spout off that "I know for sure".
>
>I guess what you're trying to do is question the manner in which I
>reach my own personal conclusions. I would say that Vallee's Confrontations
That's what this is all about isn't it? We lay this stuff out on the net
to see if it can withstand the level of examination its going to get.
>book and the mentioned Roswell book are honest attempts to present evidence
>that UFO's are for real. Should I discount the evidence presented in
>the books just because I don't have any direct, physical proof?
>
>And about those "flimsy hearsay statements": Are you very politely stating
>that each of the witnesses making statements in these books are liars?
>Are you attempting to very subtly de-bunk these books, and the reputable
>authors who wrote them?
>
No, I don't think these witnesses are liars. I've been into this for a long,
long time and have come across all kinds of claims from credible people who
I believe are telling the truth. As Vallee concludes in "Confrontations",
these people have experienced something that cannot be explained. I don't
accept the alien visitors theory but my mind is open. I'm anxious to look
at any evidence anyone puts forward but will do so with a critial eye.
In Roswell, we have a lot of investigation and proof that whatever happened
is a military secret but none of that has moved the UFO claim forward even
one iota. If you look at the "timeline" and "list of witnesses" in the
Randall and Schmidt book and cross out everything that goes to show that
the military is keeping a secret as opposed to a UFO crash, you're left
with the following:
1. Fourteen credible witnesses, four with good technical backgrounds, who
could not identify the debris.
2. Hearsay statements that Barnett told three people he had come across a
crashed UFO.
3. Second hand hearsay about an unidentified source who said she too had
seen the same thing. This (along with other second hand hearsay) is
what I meant by "flimsy." Since it followed an NBC program about the
Roswell crash, since its second hand, since its hearsay, since the
source is not identified, this stuff is worthless.
4. A medical clerk at Wright-Patterson who claims to have seen an alien
corpse.
I think this all adds up to an interesting case that could stand more
investigation but don't agree it constitutes proof a UFO crashed at Roswell.
In fact, if the UFO part of this case had been presented without the drama
of a military cover-up, it wouldn't get a second thought.
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From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Mars Face.
Message-ID: <14632@goofy.Apple.COM>
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Jeff Later asks
>I remember "someone" posting information regarding the
>availability of large wall mount "posters" of the Mars Face
>for sale????
The poster has about 6 different images with one showing the geometric
relationships between the structures. We had speakers on this at
our Family of Light Network meeting the other evening. They suggested
that there are encoded messages in the geometric relationships that
could lead to incredible break throughs. They are hoping next years
Mars mission will bring back much clearer pictures for further
study.
They are looking for people to join their group to support the project
if anyone is interested let me know.
They are not directly associated with the address below.
One other thing I recently concluded. The Pleiadians mention
an early man advanced society buried under Anartica.
I think the Mars Face/pyramids and this society are
connected. See my Pleiadian quote on the thread How life begin or
something like that.
This poster is a companion piece to the audio cassette program THE
MONUMENTS OF MARS,. Copyright 1989 by Enhanced Audio Systems and
Richard C Hoagland. For each additional cassette, please send $10.95.
For each additional poster, send $3.00. For more information about the
Mars Investigation, plus a book catalog, send $2.00. Add 7%, sales tax
for California orders. Add $2.00 postage & handling or each order.
ENHANCED AUDI0 SYSTEMS 1900 Powell Street, Suite 1135, Emeryville, CA
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Article: 1204 of alt.alien.visitors
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From: mru@unislc.uucp (Mara Ulis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ufo encounter
Keywords: ufo encounter
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Date: 12 Jul 91 22:28:34 GMT
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In article <625@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600hubb@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Richard Hubbell) writes:
>Did anyone see a show that had a piece on a ufo encounter in Texas?
>I saw part of it tonite (7-10-91) I missed a portion of it when
>signal went out from channel 6. A woman, her mother, and a child
>were driving when they saw some kind of craft. They stopped and the
>woman got out of the car to look at the ufo. The encounter lasted about
>ten minutes. The ufo was hovering the whole time. The ufo left and
>the woman got into the car as they were leaving a squadron of
>helicopters approached (the older woman counted 23 helicopters) she
>described them as the type with to rotors. Approx. 6 hours later they
>all became ill. The mother had the worst symptoms, followed by the
>child and then the older woman. According to the physician treating her
>she suffered from radiation exposure. Her skin was burned and she
>eventually lost her hair. A ufo researcher went to the site where
>this occurred and verified a dark patch of the asphalt that had been
>scarred by intense heat. I think his name was Schlouser(sp.) he also
>was told later that some trucks had gone to the site and removed all
>traces of the burnt asphalt and replaced it with new.
> At first the Air Force acknowledged that something did
>occur but then they went back on there original claim and denied that
>anything happened. I'd like to hear more about this incident if
>anyone can add more info. It happened 10 years ago in late 1980
>in Texas(Dayton?). All three are still alive but the woman has been
>diagnosed with cancer and the older woman and child still also
>suffer from strange illnesses.
>
>RH
>
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You are referring to the Andreasson Affair. The MUFON investigator
was John Schussler(sp). There are some books out about this case.
Also, you might contact MUFON for more information. Their address is
Walt Andrus, Director 103 Oldtowne Road Seguin, Texas 78155.
Hope this helps.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Ed Walters
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> From: mcn@apollo.hp.com (Michael McNulty)
> Date: 9 Jul 91 19:13:37 GMT
> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
> Message-ID: <1991Jul9.191337.1024@apollo.hp.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading this newsgroup for a little while, but this is
> my first posting to it. I have a feeling that I may be bringing
> up an already-discussed issue, but I'm still interested in it. I
> hope it doesn't bore anyone if it is repetitive.
>
> What's the story with Ed Walters? He's the guy who has taken about
> 40 really great pictures of what he claims are space crafts in Gulf
> Breeze, Florida. He, along with is wife Frances, wrote a book and
> did the lecture and TV talk show circuits. By the end of his book,
> he was hinting that he has vague recollections of perhaps, maybe,
> sort of having been abducted or in contact with aliens as a child
> and that he was in contact with Budd Hopkins and had undergone
> hypnosis. He said that he wasn't ready to publicly discuss the
> results of his hypnosis sessions yet, though. I noticed in a
> friend's either CUFO or MUFON magazine (whichever one of them was
> sort of originally backing Ed for awhile), that he claimed to have
> later discovered a crop circle in his neighborhood. The last thing
> I heard of him, he was defending himself against charges that models
> of the crafts were found in his house after he moved.
Ed does claim that he was abducted as part of the difficulty he experienced
with the aliens. His case was studied by the late Dr. Dan Overlade, including
video tapes made during his regression sessions with Dr. Overlade. This whole
mess is embroiled in controversy. The reasons for this are numerous. First,
MUFON, the so-called "scientific UFO investigative organization," botched
several things procedurally in their investigation. It has also been alleged
that the principle investigators took their own preconceived ideas about what
UFOs are and forced it into the outcome of this case. In all of the separate
incidents where MUFON was involved heavily, not one of their investigators
managed to photograph the object, even though they were in close proximity to
the sightings, and around Ed. The business with the model that was found is
also extremely suspect, although there has been no decent reporting done of
this find to my knowledge. There are charges flying back and forth that
someone planted the model to make Ed look like a hoaxer, and of course, Ed
denies this charge completely.
> My criticism (an odd one, I'll admit) is that his pictures are almost
> TOO good. It's just hard for me to believe that he got pictures this
> good and that up close. I have a feeling that if they were legit,
> someone (AP, New York Times) would be paying a little more attention
> to him.
What we have here are photographs that *are* too good to be true. But, more
than that, we have a well-known UFO organization, an optical physicist, a
leading abduction researcher, and a host of other people advancing that this
case represents contact from an extraterrestrial civilization, all without one
shred of proof, other than photographs, which can't tell us anything. In my
opinion, it is not the photographs that are at issue here, it is the
circumstances surrounding the way that they were arrived at, the person making
the report, and the organization that was entrusted to do their job after
several years of practice in collecting and analyzing data scientifically.
Our organization approached Dr. Robert Nathan of JPL about these photographs,
and he stated that he was almost certain that they were representative of
trickery.
> What do most people think of him? Is he respected or is he considered
> a pretty good hoaxer who just hasn't been caught yet? Or has he been
> caught and I missed it? My feeling is that he started this off as a
> joke and it ballooned out of his control until he couldn't contain it
> anymore and he had to go along with it or he'd look foolish.
Zan Overall, a noted UFO researcher in California, has done an exhaustive
study on Ed's background. A couple of years prior to the Gulf Breeze fiasco,
Ed used to entertain the neighborhood kids at his home. He has a son and a
daughter, and they used to conduct seances "for fun," which during the
seances, Ed would take photographs (you got it, with a Polaroid) of the kids
sitting in a circle chanting the 23rd Psalms backwards. Allegedly, a "demon"
would show up in the picture around the kid that was selected by this demon
and it would follow this person around for the duration of the night. He
seriously frightened a girl one evening, who has later testified to this fact.
Additionally, Ed made a statement to one of the guys in the crowd that he was
going to do the "ultimate hoax" someday. Of course, I just bet Ed didn't
figure on this mess coming out of the past to haunt him, but it has, and the
alleged "ghost" photo is making the rounds through the UFO community. It
sounds like the intent to hoax was present.
Bottom line...the UFO research community has been damaged by this whole mess.
Why? Because as the world watches, MUFON has begun a smear campaign against
anyone who has taken a dissenting viewpoint of this case. The Interntional
Director told me that he was "tired of the trash that people were putting out
about Gulf Breeze." He has removed from administrative or staff duties,
several noted researchers because they were not sold on Gulf Breeze. Finally,
MUFON and Dr. Bruce Maccabee accepted money from Ed Walters for their part in
this case. These funds were paid out of the book proceeds. In a field where
credibility is number one concern, it seems that there has been a very poor
showing of this for the world to see.
Whatever Gulf Breeze represents, it is certain that it has nothing to do with
UFOs.
Hope this helps.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Re: About Roswell And The Govt. Coverup
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> From: 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans)
> Date: 10 Jul 91 02:36:03 GMT
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> As a follow on, I can only sit and wonder what information has been
> gained
> from the research the US government would have conducted on the aliens
> and
> their crashed ship. What additional information could the US government
> be
> withholding about further incidents of this type since 1947?
Greetings down under!
I would just about bet that there is a lot of technology which we are becoming
very familiar with that could have been gleaned from research such as the
crash of 1947.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Klas In Las Vegas...
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> From: marz@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.zam)
> Date: 10 Jul 91 13:26:20 GMT
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> Has anyone got a video tape copy of the 9 part series that
> George Knapp did for KLAS in Las Vegas, Nevada? After reading
> discussions on this news group, I called them for a copy. They
> said that they had to refuse, due to the overwhelming demand
> for copies. This 9 part series severely overloaded their ability
> to dub copies.
Contact me at mcorbin@scicom.alphacdc.com and I will see what I can do for
you.
Mike
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