1947 J. EDGAR HOOVER FBI

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Memorandum for Mr. Ladd

    mr. ________ also discussed this matter with Colonel L.  H. Forney of

MID.  Colonel Forney indicated that it was his attitude that inasmuch as

it has been established that the flying disks are not the result of any

Army or Navy experiments, the matt er is of interest to the FBI.  He

stated that he was of the opinion that the Bureau, if at all possible,

should accede to General Schulgen's request.

SWR:AJB

ADDENDUM

I would recommend that we advise the Army that the Bureau does not believe

it should go into these investigations, it being noted that a great bulk

of those alleged discs reported found have been pranks.  It is not

believed that the Bureau would accomplish anything by going into these

investigations.

                                          DML

(Clyde Tolson)-I think we should do this.  (Dated 7/15)

(J.  Edgar Hoover)-I would do it but before agreeing t o it we must insist

upon full access to discs recovered.  For instance in the SW case the Army

grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination.

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Subject: 1947 AAF W/FBI UFO INVES.

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DATE OF DOCUMENT 7/30/1947

(B) FLYING DISCS-The Bureau, at the request o f the Army Air Force

intelligence, has agreed to cooperate in the investigation of flying

discs.  The Air Forces have confidentially advised that it is possible to

release three or more discs in odd numbers, attached together by a wire,

from an airplane in high altitudes and that these discs would obtain

tremendous speed in their descent and would descend to the earth in an

arc.  The Army Air Forces Intelligence has also indicated some concern

that the reported sightings might have been made by subversive

individuals for the purpose of creating a mass hysteria.

(AUTHORIZATION TO INVESTIGATE)

7-30-47

BUREAU BULLETIN NO.  42         -2-

Series 1947

    You should investigate each instance which is brought to your

attention of a sighting of a flying disc in order to ascertain whether or

not it is a bonifide sighting, an imaginary one or a prank.  You should

also bear in mind th at individuals might report seeing flying discs for

various reasons.  It is conceivable that an individual might be desirous

of seeking personal publicity, causing hysteria, or playing a prank.

    The Bureau should be notified immediately by teletype o f all reported

sightings and the results of your inquiries.  In instances where the

report appears to have merit, the teletype s hould be followed by a letter

to the Bureau containing in detail the results of your inquiries.  The

Army Air Forces have asured t he Bureau complete cooperating in these

matters and in any instances where they fail to make information

available to you or make the recovered discs available for your

examination, it should promptly be brought to the attention of the

Bureau.

    Any information you develop in connection with these discs should be

promptly brought to the attention of the Army through your usual liason

channels.

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Subject: 1966 J.E.HOOVER RESPONSE

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ST-101                                   July 2l, 1966

___________________

Cleburne, Texas 76031

Dear Mr.  ___________ _

        Your letter of July 16th has been received.

    For your information, the investigation of Unidentified Flying

Objects is not and never has been a matter that is within the

investigative jurisdiction of the FBI.  I can assure you the photograph

you mentioned does not represent employees of this Bureau and the FBI

has never had custody of an occupant from a foreign planet.

    Enclosed are some booklets pertaining to our activities which I hope

you will enjoy reading.

                                          Sincerely yours,

                                          John Edgar Hoover

                                          Director

Enclosures (2)

Know your FBI

Story of the FBI

NOTE: Correspondent is not identifiable in Bufiles.  The Bureau has had

other inquiries concerning this photograph.  The article which appeared in

a recent issue of this magazine purported to be an actual report of

unidentified flying objects and has been brought to the attention of the

Bureau pre viously.  In view of the fictional aspects of the material and

our relations with "Real" magazine no contact was made with the magazine

regarding the representation of FBI Agents.

MAIL ROOM ___ TELETYPE UNIT ___

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Subject: 1949 FBI MEMO RE: PHOTOS

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Office Memorandum - UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

TO : DIRECT OR FBI                               DATE: January 10, 1949

FROM : SAC KNOXVILLE

SUBJECT : "FLYING SAUCERS" OBSERVED OVER

          OAK RIDGE AREA

          INTERNAL SECURITY-X

     There are being submitted herewith two photographs of reputedly

"flying saucers" which were seen at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, sometime during

July of 1947.  All of the information contained in this letter was

received from George Rateman, Resident Engineer, Air Material Command,

United States Army, who is the principal army technician at the Nuclear

Energy for the Propulsion of Aircraft Research Center at Oak Ridge,

Tennessee.

     Mr. Rateman advised that the attached photographs were taken by

______ in July of 1947.  He stated that interview with _______ revealed

that he had been snapping photographs of his family in front of his

residence at 218 Illinois Avenue, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, late in the

afternoon, when he looked into the sky and observed the vapor trail as

exhibited by the photograph numbered "1."  __________ stated that he took

a snap of this trail, was winding the film to the next number, when he

looked into the sky and observed the ball of fire as shown in photograph

2.  _______ made these photographs available to reporters of the Knoxville

News-Sentinel and a story concerning them was run in that paper; however,

as shown by the photostatic copy of the newspaper clipping, which is also

being submitted herewith to the Bureau, the print was very indistinct; the

news story did not contain any factual information; and it was regarded

generally by the public at the time as a possible trick.

     Later, it was learned by Rateman And _________ that _________ had

made several copies of this photograph and had distributed them among his

aquaintances at Oak Ridge, Tennessee.  Upon ___________ finding that the

photographs had received some distribution, he requested Rateman as Head o

f the Compliance and Investigations Division, to recover as many as

possible of the photographs, advise the persons in whose possession they

were found to say nothing to anyone concerning them, and to return the

said photographs to him for transmission to the United States Air Force

Intelligence Service.  Rateman advises that he succeeded in rounding up

twenty four copies of these photographs, and that, according to the

statements of ________, no more copies were made or distributed.  Rateman

further stated that _______ had appeared extremely concerned over the

matter and seemed quite emphatic that the matter should be given no more

publicity than was absolutely necessary.  Rateman also advised that he

studied the negatives from which the reproductions were made, and they

appeared to be authentic in that trick photography should have been

apparent, but from the ______________ __________ ______.

NOTE: THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENT WAS OBTAINED THROUGH NORMAL CHANNELS,

INCLUDING THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA).  THE DOCUMENT IS NOT A

HOAX.  GUY HOTTEL WAS THE SENIOR AGENT IN CHARGE (SAC) OF THE WASHINGTON

FBI OFFICE IN 1950.  THIS IS ONE OF THE KEY DOCUMENTS THAT, ALL TOGETHER,

INDICATE A GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY COVER-UP OF UFOs THAT MAKES WATERGATE

LOOK LIKE CHILDS PLAY.

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Office Memorandum                         UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

TO: DIRECTOR, FBI                             DATE: March 22, 1950

FROM: GUY HOTTEL, SAC, WASHINGTON

SUBJECT: FLYING SAUCERS

         INFORMATION CONCERNING

The following information was furnished to SA [blanked] by

[                               blanked                                ]

[                               blanked                                ]

An investigator for the Air Forces stated that three so-called flying

saucers had been recovered in New Mexico.  They were described as being

circular in shape with raised centers, approxi-mately 50 feet in

diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only

three feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each

body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed

flyers and test pilots.

According to Mr. [blanked] informant, the saucers were found in New

Mexico due to the fact that the Government has a very high-powered

radar set-up in that area and it is believed the radar interferes

with the controling mechanism of the saucers.

No further evaluation was attempted by SA [blank] concerning the above.

RHK:VIM

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                                                        23 September 1947

SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs"

TO:      Commanding General

         Army Air Forces

         Washington 25, D.C.

         ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen

                    AC/AS-2

1.  As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered

opinion of this command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs."  This

opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and

preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 and Aircraft Laboratory,

Engineering Division T-3.  This opinion was arrived at in a conference

between personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2,

Office, Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and

Propeller Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3.

2.  It is the opinion that:

  a.  The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or

      fictitious.

  b.  There are objects probably approximately the shpe of a disc, of such

      appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made aircraft.

  c.  There is the possibility that some of the incidents may be caused

      by natural phenomena, such as meteors.

  d.  The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of

      climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must

      be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly aircraft

      and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects

      are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.

  e.  The apparent common description of the objects is as follows:

      (1) Metallic or light reflecting surface.

      (2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances when the object

          apparently was operating under high performance conditions.

      (3) Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and domed on

          top.

      (4) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying from

          three to nine objects.

      (5) Normally no associated sound, except in three instances a

          substantial rumbling roar was noted.

      [6] Level flight speeds normally about 300 knots are estimated.

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        LETTER FROM GENERAL N.F. TWINING TO COMMANDING GENERAL,

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   f.  It is possible within the present U.S. knowledge - provided

       extensive detailed development is undertaken--to construct a

       piloted aicraft which has the general description of the object in

       subparagraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate

       range of 700 miles at subsonic speeds.

   g.  Any devlopments in this country along the lines indicated would be

       extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable expense

       of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up

       independently of existing projects.

   h.  Due consideration must be given the following:

           (1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic origin

               -the product of some high security project not known to

               AC/AS-2 or this command.

           [2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash

               recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the

               existence of these objects.

           (3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form of

               propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of our

               domestic knowledge.

3.  It is recommended that:

   a.  Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning a

       priority, security classification and code name for a detailed

       study of this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of

       all available and pertinent data which will then be made available

       to the Army , Navy, Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force

       Scientific Advisory Group, NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects

       for comments and recommendations, with a preliminary report to be

       forwarded within 15 days of receipt of the data and a detailed

       report thereafter every 30 days as the investigation develops.  A

       complete interchange of data should be effected.

4.  Awaiting a specific directive AMC will continue the investigation

    within its current resources in order to more closely define the

    nature of the phenomenon.  Detailed Essential Elements of Information

    will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels.

                                           N.F. TWINING

                                           Lieutenant General, U.S.A.

                                           Commanding.

                             DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE

                             _th Security Police Squadron

                               APO San Francisco  96239

SUBJECT: Response for request of Information in Relation to UFO Contact

and Other Related Information

TO: Len Stringfield

1. In January of 1978, I was station at McGuire AFB, NJ.. One evening ,

during the time frame of 0300hrs. and 0500hrs., there were a number of UFO

sightins in the area over the air field and Ft. DIX Army camp. I am a

security policeman and was on routine patrol at the time. N.J. State

Police, and Ft. Dix MP's were runnig code in the direction of Brownsville

N.J.. A state trooper then entered Gate #5 at the rear of the base

requesting assistance and permission to enter.  I was dispatched and the

trooper wanted access to the runway area which led to the very back of the

air field and connected with a heavily wooded area which is part of the

Dix training area. He informed me that a Ft. Dix MP was pursueing a low

flying object which then hovered over his car. He described it as oval

shaped, with no details, and glowing with a blueish green color. His radio

transmission was cut off. At that time in front of his police car,

appeared a thing, about 4ft. tall, greyish brown, fat head, long arms, and

slender body. The MP panicked and fired five rounds from his .45 Cal into

the thing, and one round into the object above. The object then fled

straight up and joined with eleven others high in the sky. This we all saw

but didn't know the details at the time. Anyway, the ting ran into the

woods towards our fenceline and they wanted to look for it. By this time

several patrols were involved.

2. We found the body of the thing near the runway. It had apparently

climbed the fence and died while running. It was all of a sudden hush-hush

and no one was allowed near the area. We roped off the area and AF OSI

came out and took over. That was the last I saw of it. There was a bad

stench coming from it too.  Like ammonia smelling but it wasn't constent

in the air. That day, a team from Wright-Patterson AFB came in a C141 and

went into the area. They crated it in a wooden box, sprayed something over

it, and then put it into a bigger metal container. They loaded it in the

plane and took off. That was it, nothing more said, no report made and we

were all told not to have anything to say about it or we would be court

martialed.

3. I will be getting out of the air force in about two months. Do Not

disclose my name as I could get into trouble. I am interested in pursuing

this and other matters if you need help. Forgive me for not signing this

but I can't take any chances. Please reply to the above address and my

parents will forward it to me or I will be home already. Don't send it

here because they monitor all mail closely and I again don't want to take

any chances.