Cows blood

 

Note the following thread resulted from a statement in a file in DL10 of

ISSUES Forum entitled "LEAR.TXT." The statement reads as follows:

"Note: Cows and Humans are genetically similar.  In the event of a national

disaster, cow's blood can be used by humans."

The thread ensued.  It should be noted that the thread crosses two Sigs.

The first SIg is on the ISSUES Forum (Paranormal Subtopic) while other parts

were obtained through the GOODHEALTH Forum.  I will try to make notations

when change from one Forum to another.

Try to keep an open mind.

*%*% ISSUES *%*%

#: 132944 S10/Paranormal Issues

    28-Jan-88  22:35:50

Sb: #132941-UFO PHENOMENA

Fm: John LEar 71251,642

To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777 (X)

Regarding the cows blood that statement came from 2 university studies. I 

will get you the names by tomorrow. I questioned that statement myself as a 

doctor I know said that what they probably meant was that a fraction of the

blood could be used.  But on further checking I found out that it can be

used whole.  I have the names somewhere so let me work on it.  Talk to you

later.

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#: 133012 S10/Paranormal Issues

    29-Jan-88  18:10:21

Sb: Cows Blood

Fm: John LEar 71251,642

To: Ted Markley

Ted- in 1986 it was reported by Texas Tech University that cow blood can be

used in an emergency blood transfusion with humans because the hemoglobin so

closely matches human blood.  In February of 1984 Dr. James Womack of Texas

A&M University stated that big chunks of cattle chromosomes are identical to

large sections of human chromosomes, meaning that cow genes and human genes

fall in the same exact sequence on some chromosomes. Regards, John

*%*%We now switch over to the GOODHEATH Sig *%*%

#: 55150 S4/Health Questions

    27-Jan-88  20:51:13

Sb: #A strange question

Fm: Ted 76067,3777

To: All

I have a question and I know there will be a lot of people out there who will

chuckle.  I did at first and then thought "Well,  I have been surprised by a

lot stranger statements that this."  Well here goes... <Pausing to get up the

nerve>.  I read on another Sig Bulletin board that "in the event of a natural

national disaster cow's blood could be used in some cases as a substitute for

human blood..."  There I said it!  I don't believe it but I thought I best

check it out with a professional MD before exposing the quack.  Can any of

you professionals give me a statement I can quote on line?

Thanks.

Ted

1 Reply

#: 55174 S4/Health Questions

    28-Jan-88  09:57:48

Sb: #55150-#A strange question

Fm: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217

To: Ted 76067,3777 (X)

Ted,

Welcome to the Health Forum!

Believe me I have heard stranger questions.  I don't think there is any

compatablility between cow blood and human blood....in short if you gave a

person some cow's blood they would probably go into irreversible shock and 

die. I don't even think cows have the same blood type as people.

So tell us, where did you hear this amazing tale?

June

#: 55228 S1/General Discussion

    28-Jan-88  18:18:06

Sb: #A strange question

Fm: Ted 76067,3777

To: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217 (X)

I am doing some research to refute an article in the DL10 library of the 

ISSUES sig.  The file is Lear.txt and is making some pretty wild claims about

UFO's and some of the recent cattle mutilations.  Your comments will be of 

help.  Why don't you drop by (The Lear is a alleged member of the Lear of

Lear Jet fame.)

*%*% And back to the ISSUES (sub PARANORMAL section) *%*%

#: 133135 S10/Paranormal Issues

    31-Jan-88  09:59:01

Sb: #133012-Cows Blood

Fm: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777

To: John LEar 71251,642

John...

I droped over to the HEALTH Sig and asked if any of the MD's there

had ever learned that "cows blood could be used in an emergency."

I got only one reply and they said that they expected that if cows

blood were introducted into a human that it would cause the recipient

to go into shock and die.  I suppose that if these finding are as new as you

claim (1986) that with the rapid pace of new medical paper publishing

this individula has no yet gotten the word.  Do you perhaps have the name

of the paper and the person publishing it (and the DATE) from 

Teax Tech U. (what city is Texas Tech located in)?

This would enable me to give them a call and get a copy of the paper.

I an afraid that Dr Womack's Feb 84 paper a Texas AM won't do.  Just because

"big chunks of cattle chromosomes are identical to large

sections of human chromosomes"doesn't mean that they are 

compatible.

Regards, Ted

#: 133152 S10/Paranormal Issues

    31-Jan-88  13:09:25

Sb: #133135-Cows Blood

Fm: Alex Krislov 76703,243

To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777

Actually, our DNA differs no more than 2% from that of some apes.

#: 133153 S10/Paranormal Issues

    31-Jan-88  14:07:38

Sb: #133135-Cows Blood

Fm: John LEar 71251,642

To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777

Sorry, Dr. Womacks statement was in the paragraph discussing the whole

connection of the mutilations with the Dulce facility etc. etc.  Will work  on

getting you the info on Texas Tech on monday.  The doctors I talked to were as

uninformed as the ones you talked to vis a vis to cows blood, so don't feel

lonely. Talk to you later.

*%*% Now back to the GOODHEALTH Sig *%*% 

#: 55675 S1/General Discussion

    02-Feb-88  21:24:58

Sb: #55579-#A strange question

Fm: Ted 76067,3777

To: Dana Schmidt [Staff] 70137,452 (X)

Too bad Dana, they were both very good sessions.

The reason for all of these questions about cow blood is that I am currently

acting as a Temporary SysOp for the Paranormal section of the ISSUES forum.

In that forum we have had an individual whom put forth a hypothesis regarding

the whole abduction senario. (You can find it by downloading LEAR.TXT from

DL 10 of that Sig) I am going to now list a portion of the latest messsage

from that board. are you ready for this??? Here goes:

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"Ted, in order to clarify the cow blood statement: It is the hemoglobin from

the

cows that can be used by humans. The cows hemoglobin is extracted from the 

red blood cells, purified, stabilized, mixed in a saline solution and then

used by humans. The advantage in using cows is that they are so plentiful, 

and each cow supplies between 20 and 30 liters of blood.  Hemoglobin can be 

used from some mammals but not all mammals.  The hemoglobin of primates can 

be used just as well as cows', its just more expensive to process.  The 

purity of the hemoglobin is what affects the chance of cloting, heart attacks

and embolisms. The purer the hemoglobin the less chance of these.  Although

some of us less

medically informed (me) use blood and hemoglobin interchangeably this is not

correct.  I will be changing the word blood to read hemoglobin on my

hypohtesis.  This research was done by Dr. Mario Fiola at the Texas Tech

University in Lubbock, Texas. Talk to you Later. Regards, John."

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Well that was it.  Can you comment?

Regards, Ted

 

#: 55680 S1/General Discussion

    02-Feb-88  22:10:37

Sb: #55675-A strange question

Fm: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217

To: Ted 76067,3777

Ted,

It seems to me that in the process of purifying the hemoglobin the structure

would be undone and make it of little use.  Hemoglobin works because it is a

functional part of the red blood cells.....people are given red blood cell

fractions not hemoglobin fractions.  Has this Fiola`s work been published

anywhere?  I kind of doubt it.

June

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*%*% Back again to the ISSUES (sub PARANORMAL section)

#: 133280 S10/Paranormal Issues

    02-Feb-88  17:33:07

Sb: #Cows blood

Fm: John LEar 71251,642

To: Ted Markley

Ted, in order to clarify the cow blood statement: It is the hemoglobin from

the

cows that can be used by humans. The cows hemoglobin is extracted from the red

blood cells, purified, stabilized, mixed in a saline solution and then used by

humans. The advantage in using cows is that they are so plentiful, and each

cow

supplies between 20 and 30 liters of blood.  Hemoglobin can be used from some

mammals but not all mammals.  The hemoglobin of primates can be used just as

well as cows', its just more expensive to process.  The purity of the

hemoglobin is what affects the chance of cloting, heart attacks and embolisms.

The purer the hemoglobin the less chance of these.  Although some of us less

medically informed (me) use blood and hemoglobin interchangeably this is not

correct.  I will be changing the word blood to read hemoglobin on my

hypohtesis.  This research was done by Dr. Mario Fiola at the Texas Tech

University in Lubbock, Texas. Talk to you Later. Regards, John.

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#: 133292 S10/Paranormal Issues

    02-Feb-88  20:23:55

Sb: #133280-Cows blood

Fm: Ted Markley 76067,3777

To: John LEar 71251,642

Thanks John,  I will see what I can do to get more info on the

subject.  Hang in there.  It's tough going up against the

experienced UFOlogist.  They get so many crack pot claims that

turn out to be hoaxes and dillusions that they become almost

as skeptical as the Phil Klasses of the world (yet I hope just

a bit more open minded.)  When someone stands up to put forth

a hypothosis such as your with such dramatic claims one is bound

to draw fire.  They best defense is to have solid facts or at least

a good defensible position. Lets get some others to check out 

your ideas and see if it can easily be refuted.  (Don't give up!)

Regards, Ted

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*%*% And finally to the GOODHEALTH Sig *%*%

 

#: 55750 S1/General Discussion

    03-Feb-88  18:02:28

Sb: #55680-A strange question

Fm: Ted 76067,3777

To: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217

I am going to call the university and check on the works of Fiola.  Thanks. 

Ted

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#: 55758 S1/General Discussion

    03-Feb-88  19:09:38

Sb: #55675-A strange question

Fm: Steven Dubin,VMD [Staff] 76074,55

To: Ted 76067,3777

I think it is wrong to leave any scintilla of the impression that cattle

hemoglobin can be used within the circulation of humans. Indeed, even human

hemoglobin, when liberated from the red blood cells by hemolysis is a very

dangerous material.  A much-feared outcome of transfusions and extracorporeal

circulation - even with the patient's own blood - is hemolysis leading to

liberation of hemoglobin into the plasma leading to renal shutdown leading to

death.  There are some highly experimental studies relating to "packaging"

hemoglobin in synthetic membranes, but these are far from being clinically

acceptable.

#: 55842 S1/General Discussion

    04-Feb-88  18:37:13

Sb: #55758-A strange question

Fm: Ted 76067,3777

To: Steven Dubin,VMD [Staff] 76074,55

Thanks for clarifying a very confusing subject.  Ted

*%*% If I find out anything after contacting Fiola I will add it at that

time.

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