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This is an archive of the postings in the Mystery writers folder (on the Fiction message board) from 8/22/94 to 10/15/94. There is information about the Sisters in Crime, the Boucheron mystery conference, a discussion about characters names....all kinds of interesting stuff! Enjoy....
11/1/94 4:41:09 PM Opening ÒSystem Log 11/1/94Ó for recording.
Subj: Re:Any devious minds out there? 94-08-22 13:31:56 EST
From: ThWhistler
Posted on: America Online
Ask yourself, first who is on the cruiseship. If a murder takes place on the cruiseship and two people disappear afterward. Where who would you suspect. How about that for a start?
Paul E Larson
Subj: Re:New Writer on the Block 94-08-22 14:58:35 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Writing is strenuous work, and it is best done when the mind and body is fully charged. Get up early, and while coffee brews take a two or three block walk if the weather's nice. Come back, drink a cup and start plugging away. After work you're too tired and your brain's probably frazzled with a thousand aggravations.
Subj: Re:Mary Higgins Clark 94-08-22 15:15:21 EST
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
My mailing address is:
Lary Crews
P.O. Box 912
Tallevast, FL 34270
Subj: Re:New Writer on the Block 94-08-22 15:18:54 EST
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
I have written at all different times of day. If you really want to be a published writer you must MAKE the time to write. I began my writing career in earnest in 1983 when my boss fired me. For four years I wrote magazine articles for a living. I wrote from 9am to 1pm and from 2pm to 7pm five days a week and often on Saturday if I had a pending deadline.
When I decided, in 1986, that I wanted to write a novel, I got up at 4:30 in the morning and wrote the book from 5 to 7am, had breakfast, and resumed my regular 9am-1 & 2-7 schedule on the articles. I wrote my first novel in two hours a day, five days a week, over a period of six months.
I wrote my second book from 10am to 2pm five days a week for five months, while working a night job from 7 to midnight at a local radio station.
I wrote my third book from 9am to 5pm six days a week for 65 days because the publisher demanded it be done at that time.
I wrote my fourth book from 1 to 4am while working a midnight to six shift at a radio station [I brought my computer in with my boss's blessing and worked while babysitting the automated station.] I also worked on the book from 3 to 6 pm each day.
I am still working midnight to six, so my schedule looks like this:
Midnight to six: Work at radio station, read books on writing, do hard-copy pencil edits, and paid critiques. [I have sold the portable computer and have a better desktop at home. Hope to eventually buy a notebook computer.]
6:30am-1pm Sleep [with the aid of self-hypnosis tapes and a good sleep mask.]
1:00-2:00pm Eat lunch and do chores. [My wife works 9 to 5 and we share the household duties.]
2:00-7:00pm Work on my current books, my columns, my online teacher for AOL, and return phone calls.
7-11pm I spend the evenings with my lovely wife, either watching TV, ballroom dancing, or visiting friends.
If you really want to write for a living, you find the time to write and you write as often as you can. To wait for the muse to attend you is to invite failure.
Good luck....
Lary
Subj: Re: Cruise Ship 94-08-22 18:43:42 EST
From: Holtzer
Posted on: America Online
I like the cruise ship scenario. Here are a few of my possibilities:
1. To get off at one of its ports without being identified;
2. They want to kill someone (else) on board;
3. They're smuggling something;
4. The motive was the killing, not the cruise -- the victims were going on the cruise and the killers somehow got caught up in it and couldn't get off. (I'd like to play that one for laughs.)
5. They plan to plant a bomb on the ship, slip off and set up an extortion plot against the shipping company.
Sigh. Now you know why I have a dozen plot outlines in my file cabinet even though I'm only working on my third book. Thinking up plots is a whole lot more fun than writing.
("I hate writing. I love having written." --Dorothy Parker)
Subj: Re: Cruise Ship 94-08-23 19:20:18 EST
From: Armii
Posted on: America Online
Playing one for laughs!
How about the small unassuming young author who takes a trip to a third world country because it is the only place in the world that buys his mystery books. He does his best to BE identified but no one believes he could have possible written "The Murders of the Pacific Qween" (A story about a pair of cut throats that kill their victim on a cruise ship but are un able to get off before it sets sail.) While blundering his way through the country trying to be recognized he stumbles onto a drug smuggling ring. Finally people start to realize who he is, but now he is trying to hide.
Subj: Re:Mystery Writer checks in. 94-08-23 19:34:00 EST
From: S B Oleson
Posted on: America Online
to Parnell--I really enjoyed your Stanley Hastings novels, but admit I didn't finish Actor. I will read Blackmail, and hope it is up to your usual standard. S B Oleson
Subj: Re:I'M STILL HERE! 94-08-24 08:08:27 EST
From: JanaS87168
Posted on: America Online
These were rejections to an agent! But I suppose they have their specific interests as well. In that case I need about three or four different agents, since I do three or four different things...i.e., screenplays, one-acts, mysteries, and a general sort of thing. Let's hope that's it, and that out of the 25 people I queried, at least a few will be interested in mysteries!!
Subj: Re:New Writer on the Block 94-08-24 08:10:23 EST
From: JanaS87168
Posted on: America Online
I'm wiped out after a long strenuous day on the job. My answer to that is to get up two or three hours early, and write when I am at my peak mentally. Then I hit the bed a couple of hours earlier at night. It plays hell with my social life, but I keep hearing, "the writer's life is a lonely one." Is that self-fullfilling? Or is it true? Since AOL is available...some of the loneliness is dissipated!
Subj: Writer's Doldrums 94-08-24 11:43:19 EST
From: Greg0
Posted on: America Online
Eliot had it all wrong. April is just a sneeze; *August* is the cruelest month. I made the mistake of waiting until August to send my agent both the manuscript for a new novel and a proposal for another non-fiction book (fiction is more fun to write, but the sad truth is that non-fiction pays better). I forgot that nearly everybody in the publishing industry takes a vacation in August.
I don't want to get involved in another novel in case the non-fiction gig comes across. And I've already taken a sort of working vacation. So here I am--becalmed. And not just until the month ends--that's just when the process begins again. I'll probably have to wait another 4-6 weeks to get some idea what's happening.
It's enough to make a person want to get a job.
Fortunately, I have a manic border collie (is that redundant?) who takes up a great deal of my time. But you can only throw a frisbie (and a tennis ball, and a stick) so many hours a day.
Any suggestions on how to cope?
Greg Fallis
Subj: Creative Teenagers Wanted!! 94-08-24 21:26:57 EST
From: YngInfrmd
Posted on: America Online
Please see folder with same subject heading in Fiction Writing for details!
Subj: Re:Writer's Doldrums 94-08-24 22:33:03 EST
From: MikeB585
Posted on: America Online
I come with all these tongue-in-cheek answers...but really: do anything that may generate future ideas (that interest you, obviously). I write different thingsmusic, fiction, etc. If one is in the dumper, I go to the other. Or I go look at art. Rent a ton of movies you've been meaning to see. Rent a director's work, such as Hitchcock, and study the threads that run through the films, and how mysteries are dealt with on the screen. Go to coffee shops and drink a lot of the stuff while you read everybody else's writing. And take notes. And know it's only a doldrum. They pass, like kidney stones. But they pass. How's that for a screenful? Good luck.
Subj: Crime Writers of Canada 94-08-25 17:33:33 EST
From: Tranna
Posted on: America Online
Hello there, fellow crime fanatics! My name is Rick Blechta (The Lark Ascending/ Konck On Wood) and I am the chair of the Toronto Chapter of the CWC. This is a professional group that includes most of the top Canadian writers in this genre: Howrad Engel, L.R. Wright, Eric Wright, etc. Then there are the rest of us... I won't be on this board too long cause it costs 20 cents a minute extra. If anyone is interested in finding out what's going on north of the border, leave your name and address, etc on the board before the 31st and I'll write back (or leave a message with more info here if I have the time). Hope to hear from you all.
Subj: Hard Boiled Detective Novels 94-08-25 18:54:17 EST
From: Too Rowdy
Posted on: America Online
So, it sorta falls in the mystery catagory... Jim Thompson, now there's a writer...
...just blowing steam...
Subj: look at new folder 94-08-26 09:15:30 EST
From: BPShelton
Posted on: America Online
look at the new folder, posted august 26. Lookin' good!
Subj: Re:Crime Writers of Canada 94-08-26 13:17:37 EST
From: JLBuck
Posted on: America Online
Tranna-
I'd love to hear your tales of the north country. Hope you're back soon.
Subj: Re:Crime Writers of Canada 94-08-26 19:18:40 EST
From: Tranna
Posted on: America Online
Someday I've got to learn how to type when I'm in a hurry. It's either that or hire an editor...
Subj: Interactive OJ Trial 94-08-26 20:17:10 EST
From: Lawren4006
Posted on: America Online
The Nuyorican Poets Cafe, a non-profit organization on the Lower East Side of NYC is producing six nights of performance based on theories submitted on the Nicole Simpson-Ron Goldman murders. Theories should tell who did it, the psychological reason and how the crimes were commited. The theories should be no longer than 10 minutes when read aloud. Eight theories on each of the nights will be read and enacted. Writers will be encouraged to be present in person or on-line. Send theories to Lawren4006 by Sept. 16. The production begins Oct. 16.
Subj: Re:Interactive OJ Trial 94-08-27 01:11:29 EST
From: MacGyver M
Posted on: America Online
The butler did it.
Subj: Re:Hard Boiled Detective Novels 94-08-27 13:46:44 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Jim Thompson is a great writer...The Killer Within Me is a cult classic.
Subj: Patron saint 94-08-29 14:29:24 EST
From: Greg0
Posted on: America Online
I've got a moderately stupid, but semi-important question. And I just *know* one of you folks can provide an answer. A friend is trying to convince me that St. Sebastian is the patron saint of archers. Considering the way the poor guy was offed, that seems a tad too tongue-in-cheek. That would be like making Cleopatra the patron saint of snakes. I didn't think the Church did irony.
Anybody out there know who's the patron saint of archers? If it *is* Sebastian, I owe a very smart woman a bottle of Bushmill's Black Label.
Greg Fallis
Subj: Re:New Book 94-08-29 17:04:29 EST
From: Ramsgill
Posted on: America Online
James Bradberry will be making the following publicity appearances in conjunction with the publication his first novel, THE SEVENTH SACRAMENT (St. Martin's Press, ISBN 0-312-11059-6):
September 10, Borders Books in Springfield, PA (8 PM)
September 14, Barnes and Noble in Bryn Mawr, PA (7:30 PM)
September 17, Mystery Books in Bryn Mawr, PA
September 20, Barnes and Noble in Broomall, PA (7:30 PM)
September 21, Wrightstown, PA, Public Library (7:30 PM)
September 23, Barnes and Noble in Princeton, NJ (7:30 PM)
September 27, Tredyffrin Public Library, Wayne, PA (7:30 PM)
October 7-9, Bouchercon, Seattle, WA (Panel Member and Signing)
October 13, Free Library of Philadelphia, PA "Booked for Murder" (7:30 PM)
October 18, Albright College Library, Reading, PA (7:30 PM)
October 28, Radnor Public Library inWayne, PA (8PM)
November 4-6, Mid-Atlantic Mystery Convention, Philadelphia, PA
The mystery novel involves a high-stakes architectural competition held at a remote Italian villa, and it has received unmitigated critical praise, including a starred review in the May 23, 1994, issue of Publishers Weekly. For further information, e-mail Ramsgill.
Subj: Fiction Agents 94-08-29 18:51:40 EST
From: Ahlia
Posted on: America Online
I am new and would like to get information from LaryCrews on taking the fiction course, and ficiton agents. Also, how do you feel about using literary services? Are there any truly good ones?
Subj: Tony Hillerman 94-08-29 19:10:52 EST
From: Scullr
Posted on: America Online
Just discovered this guy. Good read. Full of Native American philosophy, but the money trail's the thing!
Subj: A bow 94-08-30 16:08:22 EST
From: LiseMac
Posted on: America Online
A low bow to Kelly aka DARKPRINT for his/her kind words about my first mystery THE BLUEJAY SHAMAN. It's always great to get positive feedback (negative isn't so great) and to heap praise on the praiser so they live to praise another day. And in the interests of PR it's always good to mention the book as many times as possible! It's published by Walker & Co., by Lise McClendon. A Montana mystery featuring Norsky art dealer Alix Thorssen. Look for #2 in '95!
And a few days ago I got a message that this folder was full and it wasn't taking my messages. What a relief that somehow they have culled all the dull messages from the past to make room for new and potentially scintillating ones! Lise
Subj: Re:New Titles 94-08-30 22:25:05 EST
From: NRK18
Posted on: America Online
Wanted to let youknow that two of my favorite authors will have new books published this winter
Eyes of a Child by Richard North Patterson (author of The Lasko Tangent and Degree of Guilt, this one is due in January)
Kiss the Girls by James Patterson (anyone read Along Came A Spider? Don't know if you'd classify this earlier title as mystery or horror, but for someone who stopped reading Stephen King a long time ago, I thought this one was great. New book due in January).
Subj: MAGNA CUM MURDER 94-09-02 18:55:47 EST
From: JanaS87168
Posted on: America Online
MID-AMERICA MYSTERY CONFERENCE AT BALL STATE UNIVERSITY, MUNCIE, INDIANA OCTOBER 28-30.
IF YOU TELL THEM YOU HEARD IT HERE FROM JANA YOU GET THE PRE-SEPTEMBER 1 RATE OF $95.00 FOR THE WEEKEND (IF YOU WANT THE DINNER IT'S AN EXTRA $35.00)...THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL OLD HOTEL ACROSS THE STREET, THE ROBERTS HOTEL WHERE YOU CAN CALL AND REGISTER FOR A ROOM. IN ORDER TO REGISTER FOR THE CONFERENCE PLEASE WRITE TO JOANNA WALLACE, JOURNALISM DEPARTMENT, CARMICHAEL HALL 201, BALL STATE UNIVERSITY, MUNCIE, IN 47306 OR Call 1-800-541-9313 and ask for Kathryn Kennison...be sure to tell her you want the pre-September 1 rate at $95.00 instead of the $125.00 for the conference...
At the conference for book signings are Sharon Newman, Barb D'Amato, Mark Zubro, Hugh Holton, D.C. Brod, Les Roberts, Joe Hensley, Bob Randisi, Ron Tierney, Mary Monica Pulver, Margaret Frazer, Harold Adams, Tom Cochrun, Taylor McCafferty, Michael Sherer, David Everson, Lynn Hightower, Audrey Peterson, Terrence Faherty, William Love, Medora Sale and Michael Dymmoch. If you need more information send me e-mail...I love getting e-mail!!
Subj: Back to Comedy 94-09-03 11:05:32 EST
From: Txjewboy
Posted on: America Online
Just thought I'd stop in and recommend a good series of mystery stories w/a great comedic touch: Kinky Friedman's whodunits have kept me amused for years.
I believe his latest release is on bookshelves now...
Subj: Re:new to AOL 94-09-03 23:32:27 EST
From: Pulldog
Posted on: America Online
CVerrette:
I, too am new to this folder, and while reading your post realized I have been here for much longer than I expected.
What really caught my attention was your mention of The Rue Morgue Bookshop . . . I love that store! I have never actually visited (I live in Texas), but I order from them frequently and always enjoy talking with them over the phone . . . anyway I just thought I would say hello.
Steve Rennells
Subj: Re: St. Sab 94-09-04 11:10:25 EST
From: Francha
Posted on: America Online
I'm sure he is the patron of archers. Yes, the church does irony but not so far as to make St. Steve who was grilled on one side and told his torturers he was done so they could turn him over the st. of backyard barbeque-ers. I like the one about St. Phil Neri who was a real dummy and could only remember the answer to one question on the new priest test, so he asked God to have the inquisitors ask him that one. God did and Phil became a pries to everyone's shock and amazement. He is now the patron of students. I used to pray to him a lot.
Subj: Re:Fiction Agents 94-09-04 16:08:32 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
If it's novels you want to write, LaryCrews (AOL fiction director) has WTN. E-mail him for information.
If it's short stories, I'll be giving a course on AOL. I haven't all the particulars yet, so I suggest you E-mail me toward the end of September.
There are number of folders...Ask LaryCrews and Ask RCHERIN Short Fiction in the MORE FICTION folder.
Subj: Re:Tony Hillerman 94-09-04 16:09:57 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Add Jake Page's The Deadly Canyon and The Stolen Gods to your supplmental Hillerman list.
Subj: Introduction 94-09-05 13:32:14 EST
From: FMensch
Posted on: America Online
I'm a newcomer to this service, and I can sense already that I'll be adding this to my list of addictions. I'm working on a mystery novel about professional dog track gamblers, and I'm having some trouble sustaining my confidence. My first novel (not a mystery) was also about dog racing, and it got me an agent and an enthusiastic response from an editor at St. Martin's. She said she'd like to see a mystery novel set in the world of dog racing, which by happy coincidence is what I happened to be working on. Unfortunately, she didn't much like the first chapters, nor did my agent. I've reworked the material, but I no longer seem to have the same head of steam, or the same confidence. I'd like to just plow ahead and write the damn thing without regard to what anyone thinks, but I can't seem to stop re-reading the material and second-guessing myself. I guess I'd like to hear from any of you pros out there about how a writer can address the needs of agents and editors with compromising his vision of the material, or his confidence.
Frederick
Subj: Re:Introduction 94-09-05 18:14:33 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Frederick there are two on AOL who can help you, myself and LaryCrews. Lary teaches a novel-writing class, and I'll be teaching a short-story class next month. Both Lary and myself are published novelists, and in the mystery/suspense genre. We're as close to you as your keypad.
Regards, and welcome.
Robert
Subj: Fred's dilemma 94-09-07 10:49:59 EST
From: LiseMac
Posted on: America Online
Frederick, Whenever I get this way -- it's called writer's block, by the way -- I tell myself this: No one believes in you as much as you believe in yourself. No one else cares about your writing as much as you do. And one last nugget: Persistence. Lise
Subj: Hi Frederick 94-09-07 16:23:30 EST
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
Welcome to AOL.
I tell myself: I have permission to write as badly as I know how since I am going to rewrite it before I send it to my agent, anyhow.
Lary
Subj: Welcomes 94-09-07 23:15:48 EST
From: FMensch
Posted on: America Online
Thanks, folks, for the various welcomes. Actually, Lary, the rewriting is sort of the problem here. I've rewritten the first 10,000 words of this book from three different angles, starting from scratch on each occasion, and I'm starting to lose my objectivity. LiseMac, this isn't really writer's block in the way that I've come to think of it. I'm able to write every day, I just can't remember, anymore, what I'm writing ABOUT. Each day I sit down and read what I wrote yesterday, and I decide that it's very bad, indeed. So I go back and rewrite it - endlessly, endlessly - and pretty soon I can't remember what I was trying to say in the first place. Then, when I show the material to friends, agents or editors, I REALLY can't remember. I'm making this sound a little more harrowing than it really is, I just wish there was some pill I could take to sustain my confidence ...
Frederick
Subj: Re: Fred's paralysis 94-09-08 17:10:25 EST
From: Greg0
Posted on: America Online
Frederick,
I think I understand. I suffer from a similar ailment. I get so involved in the scene I'm working on that I lose track of the overall story. Then the next day, when I discover that some illiterate psychotic has broken into my computer and replaced the brilliant prose I wrote the day before with disjointed cliches, I get so wrapped up in the rewriting that I get even more distracted from the overall story. It's one of those vicious cycles you hear so much about.
And if that's not bad enough, once I admit to myself that what I've written is no longer even remotely connected to my original idea, I want to start all over from scratch. Which is damned painful since I've invested so much time and effort in the crap in front of me. And that shoots my confidence all to hell.
The obvious solution is to outline the entire novel then follow the outline religiously. Unfortunately, I *hate* outlining and can't bring myself to do it. I'd rather drive a nail through my foot than outline an entire novel. So I work from a synopsis -- maybe 5-7 pages. By referring back to the synopsis periodically I remind myself what the hell I had in mind. It gives me guide markers without requiring me to stay on the sidewalk. I know that at some point near the early part of the middle of the book I need to introduce a certain bit of information. But I have the freedom to introduce it any way I want -- a radio news broadcast in the car on the way to a Tupperware party, a conversation over a pool table in a bar, it doesn't matter.
Knowing that I'm heading in the right general direction does wonders for my confidence. At least until I have to show my work to somebody.
Good luck,
Greg Fallis
PS -- Who are you working with at St. Martin's?
Subj: How not to have writer block 94-09-08 19:34:54 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Long detailed outlines usually hinder work rather than aid it. A loose outline, perhaps just mentioning key places, like first and second plotpoint and the end. YOU MUST KNOW HOW YOUR STORY WILL END. It's the only goal you have to shoot for. There are no exceptions. Well, hardly any.
To keep on track once you've loosely laid out your project, get to know your characters. Sit down and listen to them. Then get even. Since you had to listen to them, now it's your turn to torture them. Devise sinister scenes you know the character would absolutely hate. Someone afraid of heights, have him in a high steeple (See VERTIGO).
Never let up on them. Now your villains. Spoil them. They hate that because they're so cynical they know nobody does nothing for
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nothing. Delicious, huh?
Once you start thinking like a writer, you'll write like one. The moment you step aside from it, you'll have block.
Subj: rewrites 94-09-08 20:40:59 EST
From: Armii
Posted on: America Online
Perhaps you should just start at the beginging and write till the end, worry about rewrites when your finished. This doesn't always work for me, but then I don't get bogged down with endless rewites either. At most I do one rewrite before I finish a piece. After it's done I can detest it at my leisure.
Armii
Subj: the end 94-09-08 20:48:06 EST
From: Armii
Posted on: America Online
Well I disagree with the statment "you have to know how your story will end". The best piece I have written so far, at least in my opinion, started with a character and a forth coming disaster. I just started writing until I had an ending, at that point I realized if I continued on with the story there was an even better ending just ahead. When I reached the second end, I thought of an even better ending just down the road, and wrote to it. What started out to be a 5000 word short story ended up being an 11000 word novella. It has been rejected several times but always with personal comments from editors. So I have hope of it finding a home in some periodical.
Armii
Subj: Re: Fred's paralysis 94-09-08 22:14:42 EST
From: MacGyver M
Posted on: America Online
On outlining, I've got two methods that seem to work, especially for those of us who seem to lose track of the overall story.
Outline only a few chapters ahead, therefor the story can change if it needs to. Secondly, I use a "floating outline" sometimes. It is really nothing more than a list of events that will happen in the story, but the order hasn't been worked out yet. Again, it lets the story tell itself.
Mac
Subj: Re: Fred's paralysis 94-09-08 22:14:59 EST
From: WSorrells
Posted on: America Online
My theory is to write really fast and *finish* the draft. Then go back and rewrite. That way, by the time you realize what a bunch of crap you've written, you at least have a big old stack of paper sitting there proving that you could at least get through the thing.
Incidentally, sometimes what you do later in the book will clarify what needs to be emphasized and what doesn't, what needs to be scrapped, what needs a little polish, and what's more or less right.
Walter Sorrells
Subj: Tony Hillerman 94-09-09 08:28:47 EST
From: RhondaCK
Posted on: America Online
Does anyone know Tony Hillerman's address?
Subj: Creative Juices 94-09-09 15:34:52 EST
From: Greg0
Posted on: America Online
Frederick's problem, and the responses sparked by his original posting, have set me to thinking about the process of getting the creative juices flowing. I've got some friends who seem to be able to write anywhere, anytime, under any circumstance. They write with the kids running around, on the subway, over their lunch hour. I don't know about you folks, but I can't do that -- at least not very well.
I've learned I write best under certain circumstances. For example, I can't write very well in a totally quiet room. I need something happening in the background. Sometimes it has to be the sound of a human voice talking -- so I'll have a radio talk show playing softly, or maybe Court TV. Sometimes it has to be music. Not just any music -- I can't listen to rock music. What usually works for me is Japanese flute music, or Irish harp, or Cole Porter, or acoustic blues. If one doesn't work, I'll try another, and then another until something clicks.
I once heard T. Coraghessan Boyle (or was it Tom Robbins?) say when he woke up in the morning, he'd stay in bed listening to the radio and thinking about whatever he was writing until he heard somebody on the radio say a specific word. Then he got up and went to work. The interviewer thought he was a lunatic, but it makes perfect sense to me.
Greg Fallis
Subj: Re:the end 94-09-09 19:23:36 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Armii, had you known the end from jump it wouldn't have expended to novella size. My purpose of having writers learning plot procedures is to know the end and proceed to it. Much like a road trip. Knowing where you're going is always an advantage.
Regards,
Robert
Subj: Re: Fred's paralysis 94-09-09 19:26:39 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Walt, I've found it best to write it right. I wrote a novel in one draft and only made corrections for spelling and grammar (thank the computer chip for spell-check and grammar-check programs). 300+ pages, one draft, and sold. I write short stories very much the same way, letting my characters write their own stories. I just give them an ending, and they're off and running. I've never had a rejection. Think it's luck?
Robert
Subj: Re:Creative Juices 94-09-09 19:28:29 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Greg, everybody has an IDEAL condition in which to write. But the naked truth, if you're focused, it doesn't matter what conditions are. Key here is being focused.
Robert
Subj: Re:the end 94-09-09 19:41:16 EST
From: Mac10520
Posted on: America Online
For Armii
You're wasting a lot of time and effort. Next time you write a story decide what the ending is before you start so you have a goal to shoot for. Why don't you listen to the experts (not me--LaryCrews and Rcherin) or continue having fun wasting time. Maybe next time you write a short story it will be 100,000 words (unless you desired to write a novel it can't be called one because you probably didn't format it correctly). After you wasted a couple of years, you'll see it our way. That's called getting smart.
Subj: Re:the end 94-09-09 21:57:11 EST
From: Holtzer
Posted on: America Online
Waiting to hear a specific word doesn't sound insane to me -- but then, all writers are crazy anway. I think everyone has their own ways of working (read: compulsions) and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. (I can only write in cafes and restaurants with a *lot* of noise and action going on around me, but I'd never tell anyone else that that's the only way to do it.
I also write from a very long, very complex outline that provides, as near as possible, every single element of the plot. I know other people who start with a couple of characters and a scenario and wing it from there.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, say I. But if it *is* broke -- if what you're doing isn't working for you, try something else. Maybe you write best in the bathtub :-)
Subj: Re:the end 94-09-09 23:28:40 EST
From: CCSOJC
Posted on: America Online
RCHerin - I tend to disagree. To me, writing is like traveling. I love to just get in my motorhome and go, not having any specific destination in mind. Sometimes you see things you never would have thought of going to see had you made plans. Those little side roads almost always have great scenery not usually seen by travelers. Writing is the same way, at least to me. I usually have the plot in mind (not written as you suggest), but my characters tend to show me the correct way and instead of me jerking them back on the straight and narrow path, they jerk me in a more interesting direction. I think it's different for everyone. They just have to settle into what is comfortable for them. (And no, I don't always have the ending in mind. I usually have a vague idea, but nothing is etched in stone.) After seven completed novels and one in the hopper, I still find writing to be an exciting and interesting path to travel.
J.C. Shelton
Subj: Valid opinions 94-09-09 23:35:38 EST
From: FMensch
Posted on: America Online
GregO ... the editor reading my work at St. Martin's is Jenny Notz. She seems like a very bright woman, and her comments on the early chapters of my novel were quite valid. Trouble is, it's hard to know if she'd react the same way if she'd read those chapters in the context of a completed manuscript. You know, there are themes and ideas in chapters one and two that seem superfluous until they pay off in chapters seventeen and eighteen. At least, that's the idea. In an ideal world I think I'd keep the book to myself until it was ready to stand on its own two feet, but there are business relationships here that need to be nurtured. I can't really afford to be incommunicado for the 12 or 18 months it will take me to complete this book. Also, of course, I *want* to hear the opinions of the people I repect. I just need to learn to listen in a way that doesn't cloud my vision.
Frederick
Subj: Re:the end 94-09-10 12:13:33 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Do you suppose Columbus felt like that when all around him said the world was flat and he'd fall off it's end.
Progress is the way of the world, and in that world there are writers.
One other thing strikes me. My doody indicator went on when you claim to only write in noisy crowded cafes (which signifies disorder) but write with long and complicated outlines (which signified order).
Ah yes! A paradox.
Subj: The never ending side trips 94-09-10 12:16:49 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
J C, no rule is written in stone. However, most people prefer the more efficient route, time wise, that is. Life is fun, and if rewriting is your pleasure, you've chosen a circuitous route to hilarity.
Subj: WRITERS, ARTISTS? 94-09-10 17:11:41 EST
From: PamelaH
Posted on: America Online
LACUNAE, an underground magazine seeking major expansion, is seeking writers
and artists. We published almost any form of writing--short stories, poetry,
continuing sagas, editorials, commentaries, letters--almost any genre (no
romantic mushy stuff). Illustrations and comic strips are also sought.
LACUNAE pays in copies (we try hard just to break even) and next deadline for
November issue is Sept. 20.
Submissions need to be double-spaced, typed and include address and phone
number.
SASE P O BOX 6579, Texarkana, Texas, 75505, or you can e-mail me upload and I
will download. Please save your document in MSWorks, AmiPro, ASCII or generic dos text format.
All entries are subject to editing, but you will be notified.
Copies of LACUNAE will be sent to major publishing companies, so you never
know....
Also, advertise in LACUNAE: personals, writing, looking for..., e-mail for price information.
Hope to hear from you soon.
PAMELAH
Subj: your way 94-09-11 09:54:42 EST
From: Armii
Posted on: America Online
Mac,
It's funny, but my writing style has developed from reading books on writing by Orson Scott Card, and Barry Longyear. And from meeting and talking to Barry Longyear, Michael P. Kube-McDowell, Hal Clement, and a host of others. So far I have only had one small thing published but, I believe I am on the right track. Some times I outline some times I don't sometimes I know the whole story before I start, sometimes I only have a hook.
"There are ten thousand way to scribe tribal lays, and all of them are correct."
I was just offering a sugestion to someone who was having trouble, I was not looking for critique of my way of writing.
Armii
Subj: Re:your way 94-09-11 12:50:08 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Armii, I offered a suggestion not a critique. If it's possible for you to learn from a suggestion, fine. I'm on your side, which is why this folder exists. The more good writers there are, the more publications will be needed to print them. Those who remain unpublished are neither good nor bad; they are unpublished, thus unseen and unjudged.
If woman sits on the ledge of a roof on a windy day, wouldn't you suggest to her that she at least come inside until the wind dies out? That's not a critique, it's just good common sense.
Subj: MYSTERY WRITERS CONVENTION 94-09-11 15:18:11 EST
From: JanaS87168
Posted on: America Online
If you missed the notice about the Midwest Mystery Writers First Annual convention at Ball State University, go back to the posting on 9-2-94 to get all the details.
Subj: WRiting styles 94-09-11 15:59:50 EST
From: LiseMac
Posted on: America Online
My two cents in what seems to be getting a little personal... I wrote my first mystery twice, once not knowing the ending, who the murderer was, anything. The second time I added a character for motivation for the protagonist to become involved... an amateur detective thing. Anyway, I don't recommend this way to work since it took two years to do it. However, I sold the book. I prefer to work from an outline that isn't carved in stone, as someone else mentioned. It's much too difficult to keep all the characters and where they're going in your head for the length of time it takes to finish. Unless, of course, you do nothing but write for a few weeks. I'd love to try this, but I gotta eat, etc.
Fred, something that helped me was this checklist for each chapter that you write:
DOES THIS CHAPTER/SECTION --
-- raise questions?
Subj: Continued... 94-09-11 16:03:14 EST
From: LiseMac
Posted on: America Online
Sorry, Here's that checklist again...
DOES THIS CHAPTER/SECTION -- -- raise questions? -- initiate action? -- explore the theme? Or, convey the spirit of the work? -- dramatize key relationships? -- foreshadow conflict? -- characterize key person? EVERY CHAPTER must do at least three of these...
Subj: Re:your way 94-09-11 19:37:20 EST
From: Mac10520
Posted on: America Online
To Armii
So be it!
Mac Richards
Subj: Re: Jenny Notz 94-09-12 13:22:57 EST
From: Greg0
Posted on: America Online
Frederick -- Jenny Notz at St. Martin's is terrific. We worked together on my first novel. She's cheerful and upbeat and encouraging, but she let's you know when you've buggered up. Even then she's generally tactful and sensitive. We had a few disagreements about style and content -- some of her criticisms were directly on point, some I felt were totally wrong. When I felt she was totally wrong (and that was rare), she deferred to me saying "You're the writer; you know what you want." Which always made me stop and re-evaluate.
I think you'll like working with her. Good luck.
Greg Fallis
Is it just my imagination, or are folks here getting a tad testy? I think the sarcasm and general snottiness we've been witnessing of late is uncalled for.
Subj: Re:Tony Hillerman 94-09-12 14:41:39 EST
From: AndiS41608
Posted on: America Online
Rhonda,
I have Tony's address, but it's meant to be sort of private. Email me directly and maybe we can figure out what I can do to pass on something to him, okay?
(I only have it because he's a guest at Bouchercon - you can write his editor at Harper - she's good about passing stuff on to him in a timely manner.)
Andi Shechter
Subj: Whatever works 94-09-13 00:17:12 EST
From: KenHugh928
Posted on: America Online
Interesting discussion and what I think we can all agree on is that for each writer something different works. Ok, maybe some people do it somewhat like the next person, but not always. But whatt works for someone doesn't mean that it will work for the next, lets agree to disagree.
Saw James Lee Burke a couple of weeks ago and someone asked how he worked. His answer was that he never knew what was going to happen more then a scene or two ahead. I've heard him state this several times now and find it hard to believe. If you read his books it's hard to believe, well maybe with his last couple not too hard, but they seem so seamless and flow so well that you think he has to know where they're going and how they are going to end, but nope, he just plows along and when he's done he's finished another good book.
So for all of us that are struggling along, whatever works should be the motto.
Ken Hughes
Subj: Hi Ken! 94-09-13 15:35:22 EST
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
You saw Burke? I LOVED his Electric Mist/Confederate Dead.
BTW, please E-mail me your address.
The check for those Lary Crews first editions you found is sitting here on my desk because I LOST your mailing address.
Your friend,
Lary
Subj: Testiness 94-09-13 18:40:43 EST
From: MacGyver M
Posted on: America Online
Seems a few ruffled feathers here and there, but look at it from a different angle. Did the first person to get ruffled really have a motive? Did the accused have an alibi? Is this just a testy conversation between a few folks, or the beginnings, the stirrings of a neat plot?
Plots are threads of life woven into a fabric of events and characters. This online medium is a strongbox of threads. Use them.
Mac
Subj: Re: Jenny Notz 94-09-13 21:53:21 EST
From: FMensch
Posted on: America Online
GregO -- I'd be curious to hear more about your experience at St. Martin's. Did the work you did with Jenny Notz come before the sale of the book, or afterwords? In other words, how far along were you in the realization of the material before you opened yourself to outside influence? What's the title of your book, by the way? I'd love to give it a read.
Frederick
P.S. There does seem to be an unappealing level of testiness here. I'm not terribly familiar with on-line etiquette, but it strikes me that some of the ideas here would be more effectively communicated if they were expressed with a little more tact and sensitivity, and maybe even a little humility.
Subj: Checklist 94-09-13 21:56:16 EST
From: Armii
Posted on: America Online
Your checklist reminds me of Orson Scott Card's book "Characters and Viewpoint". It is an excellent book, which I revel in failing miserably at trying to follow. If that makes any sense.
Armii
Subj: St. Martin's Press 94-09-14 12:45:10 EST
From: Greg0
Posted on: America Online
Frederick,
I'd be happy to tell you about my experience with St. Martin's. Just e-mail me and let me know what sort of information you're looking for.
I can tell you that the novel was essentially fully written when Jenny Notz first saw it. Even so she was very helpful as far as conceptual nature of the novel -- she seemed to understand what the book was about (as opposed to what happens in the book) better than I did. Her suggestions largely dealt with the flow of the novel rather than with specific plot elements. Just as helpful was the copy editor (I think that's what she was called) who went through the manuscript looking for misspellings and inconsistencies.
The book, by the way, is called LIGHTNING IN THE BLOOD. If you want to read it, wait a couple of weeks -- it ought to be hitting the remaindered shelves about then. I've also written a book with the unfortunate title of BE YOUR OWN DETECTIVE -- a sort of how-to book for would-be PIs (I was a PI for several years before I returned to my senses). I wrote BYOD mostly as a lark at the suggestion of the publisher. Most of it was written late at night after I'd come home from the bars -- so I'm a tad embarassed by the writing. But to my surprise the damned thing keeps selling. It's doubly galling because I took my time with LITB, and it's being remaindered. Go figure.
Greg Fallis
Subj: Re:St. Martin's Press 94-09-14 22:25:53 EST
From: Holtzer
Posted on: America Online
Greg:
I was also real pleased with the copy editing at St. Martin's. I don't know who the copy editor was, but she caught a couple of real howlers -- inconsistencies that got written in the dark of the moon, or something. (I say "she" because, although she knew a lot about antiques, she'd never heard of the Steel Curtain.)
I'm not surprised that your PI book keeps selling -- there seems to be a lot of pent-up demand, or something, among people who either want to be detectives or want to find out a particular thing. There's an operation here in SF that runs workshops and classes and things, and one of the courses that turns up time after time is a "How to Be a Detective" course.
Subj: Odd coincidence 94-09-16 08:39:41 EST
From: Greg0
Posted on: America Online
Here's a curious thing -- I'd just finished reading John Gregory Dunne's new book PLAYLAND and I'd just picked up Lawrence Block's new book BURGLARY WHO TRADED TED WILLIAMS and to my surprise I found the same bit of dialog in each.
Block (p. 159): "Not all of those poems were his. A lot of them were Emily Dickinson's. You can sing almost anything of hers to the tune of 'The Yellow Rose of Texas.' And you can sing any and all haiku to 'Moonlight in Vermont.'"
Dunne (p. 30): "Marty, did you know that every Emily Dickinson poem can be sung to the tune of 'The Yellow Rose of Texas'?"
And, as I write this, I have the feeling that I also saw that line in a Molly Ivins column. Coincidence? Or conspiracy? Has anybody else come across this line? Is it a code? Will we have to wait for the Oliver Stone movie before we get all the facts?
Greg Fallis
Subj: Re:Odd coincidence 94-09-16 13:57:32 EST
From: WSorrells
Posted on: America Online
I understand that Joe Gores and Donald Westlake actually shared an *entire chapter* in 32 CADILLACS and DROWNED HOPES.
Subj: Conspiracy? 94-09-16 14:55:13 EST
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
No, Greg. It's just an old tradition. Every writer of novels, when he or she reaches his or her sixteenth novel, includes that line so that he or she can become a member of the Dickinson Rip-off club.
Or, maybe it has to do with the novelist spotted on the Grassy Knoll.
Or maybe it has to do with mysterious film director Alan Smithee, whom no one has ever seen.
Or maybe it has to do with the religious significance of Vampira's eyebrows in Plan Nine From Outer Space.
Geez, now you've done it... I'll be awake for days trying to figure this out.
I know what I'll do. I'll call Larry Block and John Dunne and ask them. (And while I'm at it, I'll ask Dunne what he meant by "No man is an island.")
That's like saying "no man is a potato salad." (Stolen from David Steinberg circa 1973)
Lary
Subj: help recurring characters 94-09-16 16:02:20 EST
From: WRITE KATH
Posted on: America Online
I would like any advice you can give me on the development of series characters (i.e. Hillerman's Jim Chee). I've been working on one for some time, and could use some help. Thanks.
Subj: Re:help recurring characters 94-09-16 19:14:40 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
One of the masters at series development is John MacDonald with his Travis McGee series. What made McGee popular is the consistency of his character over an endless number of novels. Nothing new in his character ever developed form the first McGee. To the reader he was a port in the storm, to the hungry traveler, McDonalds. Give your character depth and be sure you know him/her well enough to keep the same viewpoint over and over again.
11/1/94 4:49:39 PM Opening ÒSystem Log 11/1/94.3Ó for recording.
Subj: to: THallinan 94-09-17 17:48:30 EST
From: ROMWRITE
Posted on: America Online
Thanks for exelent thoughts on writing. Have been stuck and you gave me some new ideas. Thanks again.
Subj: Re:Sisters in Crime 94-09-17 17:51:03 EST
From: ROMWRITE
Posted on: America Online
Am new to Aol and finding it hard to locate useful items. Am writing a mystery/romance and would like to find some to critique work and will do the same for them.
Romwrite
Subj: Re:Sisters in Crime 94-09-17 17:51:59 EST
From: ROMWRITE
Posted on: America Online
What is SIC? Need more data, please.
Romwrite
Subj: Re:About Sisters in Crime 94-09-17 17:54:52 EST
From: ROMWRITE
Posted on: America Online
Saw your answer about SIC. Am very interested. Could I please have info about any local in San Gabriel Valley. Ca.?
Romwrite
Subj: Recurring characters 94-09-17 19:16:33 EST
From: LiseMac
Posted on: America Online
After finishing my second mystery with the same character, I agree with some of what was mentioned about MacDonald, but not all. I think all characters, esp. the protagonist, should change, should have some moving experience that moves them forward, somehow, some way. Not that it doesn't work to do it otherwise, just personal opinion. Change in character, to me, is the basis of fiction of any sort. Secondly, it is important in the mystery to create a character who has opportunities to solve murders.. My character is an amateur detective, an art forgery expert and art dealer, and that is really just so-so in opportunity. You have to supply a lot of motivation -- strong family bonds to the victim or suspect, obsession, that sort of thing. This is why many, many mysteries feature private detectives (when in reality they lead rather dull lives) and policepersons. It's just a heck of a lot easier to be handed an assignment and carry through...
Subj: Re:Recurring characters 94-09-17 22:09:17 EST
From: BabSpence
Posted on: America Online
Here's two of what I believe to be excellent examples of recurring characters:
Sue Grafton's "ABC Series" with Kinsey Millhone
Patricia Cornwell's series with Kay Scarpetta, Medical Examiner
I just heard there will be a movie coming out soon featuring Patricia Cornwell's character. I can't wait!
Subj: Re:Sisters in Crime 94-09-18 13:25:46 EST
From: JanaS87168
Posted on: America Online
SIC=Sisters in Crime
Subj: Re:RE: James Lee Burke 94-09-18 20:46:23 EST
From: RonniPat
Posted on: America Online
I agree that Travis Magee is too sexist, but McDonald's writing in that series is marvelous and it did sound some environmental themes long before they became popular. Burke's writing is right on today. He has taken the Magee genre and developed it well.
Subj: Re:Odd coincidence 94-09-19 02:52:58 EST
From: AndiS41608
Posted on: America Online
But it's true! You _can_ sing all of Emily Dickenson to Yellow Rose of Texas! I've tried it - and in fact in the presence, for my sins, of two editors! Don't tell Oliver Stone, for cryin' out loud - he thinks too much as it is!
Andi
Subj: Robert Bloch/Bouchercon 94-09-19 02:57:29 EST
From: AndiS41608
Posted on: America Online
This is specifically aimed at Bouchercon attendees, but not totally. I am sorry to report that the multi-talented Robert Bloch, Bouchercon's very first Guest of Honor, is very ill with cancer. I have spoken very recently with a friend of his - he's at home being cared for, but honestly, he's not doing well. Bouchercon usually hosts some sort of auction for literacy and we have decided this year that we're going to try for an all out effort to raise money to help Bob and his family with medical expenses.
Anyone interested in supporting this effort should either bring something to auction, or some money to spend! We'll schedule it, we think, after the banquet on Saturday - shouldn't go too late.
If you would like to make a donation and won't be attending B'con, agent Ricia Mainhardt will be at World Fantasy Con and can be reached there. I will also gladly accept donations and pass them on to Ricia and/or the Blochs. Please email me directly for details.
Thanks.
Andi Shechter
for Bouchercon 25
Subj: Re:Sisters in Crime 94-09-22 19:17:56 EST
From: MsSleuth
Posted on: America Online
I've recently joined both AOL and SinC. I would be interested in a SinC area.
MsSleuth
Subj: Re:new to AOL 94-09-22 23:37:52 EST
From: MSleuth
Posted on: America Online
I'm a mystery reader and fan to losts of writers. I have purchased many of my favorite books at Rue Morgue, a really fine book store. From M. Riesbol in California.
Subj: MWA Florida seminar 94-09-23 02:54:45 EST
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
The Florida Chapter of the Mystery Writers of America is sponsoring a full-day seminar called How To Do Whodunits, on Saturday, November 5, 1994 from 8:30am-5:00pm at the Feather Sound Country Club in Clearwater, Florida.
The instructor, mystery novelist (and AOL instructor) Lary Crews, will teach participants how to: create characters, outline and plan your mystery, build a plot, choose, establish, and maintain a viewpoint, decide on a setting, use description successfully, get your facts straight and handle research, plant clues, effectively write narrative and action scenes, write good dialogue, and build suspense.
Lary Crews is the author of the Veronica Slate mystery novels, Kill Cue, Extreme Close-up, and Option To Die, a columnist for New Writers Magazine and Mystery Scene, and a fiction consultant for America Online, the on-line computer service. He is also the first and only online interactive fiction teacher in America.
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For a brochure or further information, write:
MWA Florida Chapter
C/o L. Mahnke
10460 Roosevelt Blvd, #241
St.Petersburg FL 33716
Or call 813/576-0807
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>>>>> Early Bird Special Until October 21st:
MWA Member: $50
Non-member: $60
>>>>> After October 21st:
MWA Member: $60
Non-member: $70
Lunch, featuring your choice of London Broil or Basil Chicken, is included, as are coffee, tea, and soda breaks and dozens of handouts and free magazines.
========================================
Here's the schedule:
8:30-9:00am [30 min] REGISTRATION
9:00-9:15am [15 min] INTRODUCTION
9:15-10:15am [60 min] CREATING CHARACTERS How to create a strong protagonist, a capable villain, and interesting secondary characters, and how to make your characters come to life on the page.
10:15-10:30am [15 min] BREAK
10:30-11:30am [60 min] DIGGING YOUR PLOT Choosing the type of mystery that's right for you. How to outline and plan your mystery and how to build a plot with a strong beginning, middle, and end.
11:30-11:45am [15 min] BREAK
11:45a-12:45p [60 min] VIEWPOINT, SETTING & DESCRIPTION How to choose, establish, and maintain a viewpoint from which to tell your story. How to decide on a setting that contributes to your story and how to use description successfully.
12:45-2:00pm [75 min] LUNCH
2:00-3:00pm [60 min] RESEARCH, CLUES, & HERRINGS How to get your facts straight and effectively handle research. How to plant clues, foreshadow events, and drag red herrings across the mystery trail.
3:00-3:15pm [15 min] BREAK
3:15-4:15pm [60 min] NARRATIVE & DIALOGUE How to effectively write narrative and action scenes, use flashbacks, and how to use parallel construction to build suspense. How to write good dialogue which conveys information, advances the plot, makes complicated developments understandable, and defines and reveals your characters.
4:15-5:00pm? [45 min] Q & A WITH CREWS Your chance to ask Lary any questions you didn't have the opportunity to ask earlier. [He'll stay until the last question is answered!]
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Call 813/576-0807 for more information and a free brochure.
Subj: Robert Bloch - in memoriam 94-09-25 22:05:04 EST
From: AndiS41608
Posted on: America Online
Robert Bloch died Friday of cancer. He was 77 years old and he died at home.
It's a major loss to our world, to mystery, fantasy, horror and science fiction. Bob Bloch was loved, he was a brilliant writer, a gentle man and a creative spirit.
andi
Subj: MAGNA CUM MURDER 94-09-27 17:26:01 EST
From: JanaS87168
Posted on: America Online
It's still not too late to sign up for the Midwest Mystery Writer's Conference at Ball State Unversity in Muncie, Indiana October 28-30. E-mail me and I'll give you the details or look back in this folder for the details. You stay at a lovely old hotel in downtown Muncie, and the conference is there and across the street. Lots of fun, and the people from the University are great friends to have. Plus there are loads of mystery writers going to be there. If you mention my name and that you saw it here, you can still get the pre-September 1 price of $95.00 instead of $125 for the weekend... I'm worth knowing you see!
Jana
Subj: Bcon membership available 94-09-27 19:22:54 EST
From: AndiS41608
Posted on: America Online
Sarah Shankman will not be able to attend Bouchercon this year. If you would like to buy her membership so you can attend, please email me right away and I will put you in touch w/Sarah.
Andi
Subj: Reading Pet Peeves 94-09-28 09:21:23 EST
From: Greg0
Posted on: America Online
Does anybody else have reading pet peeves? I hadn't given it much thought until I recently finished reading a book in which the protagonist constantly 'quipped'. There's something about the term 'quip' that just flat out pisses me off. A writer shouldn't have to tell us when his character is being funny. But mainly it's that word -- 'quip.' Is there a more irritating piss-ant little word in the entire English language? I can put up with a lot -- I can take wooden characters, I can take stilted dialog (I've actually read 2 or 3 Tom Clancy novels and, to my shame, enjoyed them). So I'm a very accepting, tolerant reader. Just don't give me a character who 'quips'.
Greg Fallis
PS -- My sincere apologies to those of you who have used 'quipped' in your writing. I don't mean to be obnoxious, and I regret any offense I may have given. But that term just drives me nuts.
Subj: Re:Reading Pet Peeves 94-09-28 19:13:46 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
My peeves: he grinned...she averred...perp.
Subj: Re:Bouchercon membership and You 94-09-28 22:17:04 EST
From: BigSky
Posted on: America Online
Help! I live in Seattle and I would do just about anything for Bouchercon tickets weekend after next. They've been sold
out since early July. Do you have any suggestions. Any
cancellations? I have a print-ready manuscript (one year in
the making) and I want to rub shoulders with those in the mystery-writers industry. Please respond.
Subj: Re: Bouchercon 94-09-28 22:18:28 EST
From: BigSky
Posted on: America Online
I am desperate for a ticket to Bourchercon. Any suggestions?
Do you know about anybody cancelling?
Subj: Re: Bouchercon 94-09-28 22:19:57 EST
From: BigSky
Posted on: America Online
I am desperate for a Bouchercon ticket? They've been sold out
since July. Any suggestions. Do you know of any cancellations.
Subj: Need Bouchercon Tickets 94-09-28 22:45:52 EST
From: BigSky
Posted on: America Online
Does anyone have a Bouchercon membership to sell?
I'm not a regular on AOL. I live in Seattle. Please call
1-206-365-5500 and ask for Mike.
Subj: Re:Reading Pet Peeves 94-09-29 00:51:09 EST
From: MikeB585
Posted on: America Online
Dislike didactic dialogue. I like Elmore Leonard.
Books with the text too close to the binding so you have to rip the thing wide open. Yes, I am (have been) a printer. Also, it's hard to hold in one hand while holding refreshment in the other.
Neat mysteries with everything perfectly in order at the end. And along with that, the last-page-confession-with-detail where the villain draws a road map of all the misdeeds. (murder, she wrote and wrote and wrote)
These are the first ones I thought of.
Subj: Re:Reading Pet Peeves 94-09-29 17:00:22 EST
From: Ramsgill
Posted on: America Online
Greg, et. al.
How about a "shock of white hair?"
Or this one, from a well-known mystery writer: "She entered [the room], wafted on a billow of pungent antiseptic." [!!]
Subj: hunting Holmes 94-09-29 19:45:59 EST
From: BUSTRKETN
Posted on: America Online
So I'm not to redundant I have posted to mystery commonalities also.
I'm looking for Irregular Clubs and Sherlockians
please post or e-mail direct,
would like to have a dialogue going with other fans
Also, Does anyone remember a true character by the name "The Jersey Lilly" of "Jersey Lil'" can vaguely place her late Victorian early Edwardian
appreciate it...
:D
Subj: Re:hunting Holmes 94-09-29 23:19:37 EST
From: Daddycakes
Posted on: America Online
The "Jersey Lilly" was Lilly Langtry, eponym of Langtry, Texas (formerly Vinegaroon) and obsession of Judge Roy Bean.
Subj: Re:hunting Holmes 94-09-30 14:14:01 EST
From: Daddycakes
Posted on: America Online
Almost forgot !~ L. Langtry was the Jersey Lily of ENLAND'S Isle of Jersey ( famed actress, beauty, etc. etc). She did eventually travel to the USA
Subj: Re:Reading Pet Peeves 94-10-01 03:12:04 EST
From: Art Blocks
Posted on: America Online
My pet peeve: all the female series characters with masculine nicknames: Samantha is Sam, for instance, in the book I am currently reading. I can come up with a dozen more given a few minutes in my library. And then there are the more neutral names of V.J. and Kinsey. What gives? These are conscious choices of (mostly) women writers writing about women characters. It makes me wonder why they are playing with this gender bending (blending?). Of course, Sarah Caudwell is the greatest bender of all but that should be another topic.
Subj: Re:Reading Pet Peeves 94-10-01 06:46:32 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
PIs with: one arm, crippled knee, homeless, burglar, drink gallons of whiskey, street urchin with a sense of justice, hopeless alcoholic, AIDS, confined to wheelchair, wife who is smarter than PI yet he figures out the crime.
Subj: walking encyclopedia 94-10-01 09:55:06 EST
From: SALTWOOD
Posted on: America Online
Daddycakes...you sound like the fellow to know when all
else fails, i.e., you can't look up what you can't remember.
I'm gonna remember you, though, when I get stuck in the
future. Nice going.
Subj: Re:Peeves 94-10-03 16:39:32 EST
From: WSorrells
Posted on: America Online
My favorite numbskull plot device: amnesia. I've never known a longterm amnesiac in my life, but judging by a lot of the thrillers around, you'd think it was an everyday occurance.
Footnote: I, too, hate "quipped" and similar verbs, but the adverbs following can be even worse. For instance: "He quipped sagely..." "She said smugly..." "Miss Diaz responded pertly..." In my stuff I just say, "He said, she said, they said." Even when people are asking questions. No adverbs, no nuttin.
Subj: Re:Peeves 94-10-03 16:59:33 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Bravo!
Subj: More pet peeves 94-10-04 10:04:08 EST
From: Greg0
Posted on: America Online
Here's another one of mine: the PI who antagonizes a witness who has information he or she needs. I suppose the purpose is to show how tough the PI is, but it sets me into a rage. Who cares about tough? A PI's job isn't to be tough; it's to get information.
Greg Fallis
Art Block -- what is it about women characters with male (or gender neutral) nicknames that pisses you off? I realize pet peeves are, almost by definition, an over-reaction to a small irritant (mine certainly are), but what is it about the nicknames that does it to you? And for those of us who are only semi-literate in mystery fiction -- who is Sarah Caudwell and why is she "the greatest gender bender of all"?
Subj: Re:More pet peeves 94-10-04 13:19:42 EST
From: Art Blocks
Posted on: America Online
<<Art Block -- what is it about women characters with male (or gender neutral) nicknames that pisses you off? I realize pet peeves are, almost by definition, an over-reaction to a small irritant (mine certainly are), but what is it about the nicknames that does it to you? And for those of us who are only semi-literate in mystery fiction -- who is Sarah Caudwell and why is she "the greatest gender bender of all"?>>
To Greg Fallis:
Actually I don't mind nicknames at all. We all have one and use them for people we know and love. But I question if it is a trend among writers to make masculine a female character. Isn't it better make the woman strong and resourceful and "a good person" without the trappings of some masculine aspect? I can't put my hands on the book right now but last week I picked up a paperback where the woman's name was made into "Josh." Maybe it was Jocelyn but, when I read the blurb on the back, it struck me as like such a stretch. If the nickname is natural, which Sam would be for Samantha, it doesn't seem to bother me as much. Besides, who can really rationalize a pet peeve?
As to Sarah Caudwell, her main characteris Hillary, neither defined as male or female. I heard on the SiC board (I think) that another book in the series is coming back where Hillary "comes out" but who knows?
Subj: Re:More pet peeves 94-10-04 13:52:10 EST
From: Art Blocks
Posted on: America Online
I ought to add that my screen name is unfortunately deceptive. Art Blocks is the name of my graphic design company. My name is not Art but Laurie and my comments come from the perspective of a woman.
Ah, the irony of it all!
Subj: Re:More pet peeves 94-10-04 16:40:05 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Which brings up another pet peeve of mine... Women who use male handles for on-line screen names. <g>
Subj: Submitting partial MS 94-10-05 19:29:37 EST
From: MFKennedy
Posted on: America Online
I am new to AOL and to mystery fiction writing, but I have enjoyed skimming through this message board. I've written some plays and had one produced. My query is this: is it ever done to submit PART of a novel to agents, or do you have to be an established writer for that?
Subj: Re:More pet peeves RCHERIN 94-10-06 01:57:47 EST
From: Art Blocks
Posted on: America Online
Touche.
Subj: Re:Submitting partial MS 94-10-06 05:47:32 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Most agents will entertain a brief description of your story line (see my folder NOVEL IDEAS) and the first three chapters.
Subj: Re:gender-bendering 94-10-06 16:09:38 EST
From: WSorrells
Posted on: America Online
Here's my take on the masculinized female characters, etc. There was a time -- not so long ago -- when it was tough for women to get PI books published. There was a feeling among writers that if they wanted to get their books read, they needed to cater (pander?) to men by writing books that could be read by Mickey Spillane fans as well as fans of Lord Peter Wimsey or Miss Marple or whoever. Maybe I'm wrong but I think there's still a bit of that uncertain attitude floating around among female PI writers -- even though it's now the hard-boiled male writers who are on the endangered species list.
Subj: Re:gender-bendering 94-10-06 19:08:01 EST
From: BUSTRKETN
Posted on: America Online
George Sands alias...
couldn't get published under a female name...etc. etc. etc.
Subj: Re:gender-bendering 94-10-06 19:12:06 EST
From: ClueLass
Posted on: America Online
What irritates me about these nicknames is that they try so hard to be unusual that they are downright unreal. I don't know any women named "Jazz" (Jasper-Karin McQuillan) or "Temple" (Barr-Carole Nelson Douglas) or "Neil" (Hamel-Judith van Gieson). Nor do I know any woman named Katherine (myself included) who calls herself "Kat"-but there are no less than three series heroines named that. These are all excellent writers who produce consistently entertaining stories. Still, I think Susan Dunlap got it right when she called her Berkeley cop "Jill Smith"-now that's real.
Subj: Re:Pet Peeves 94-10-06 19:59:28 EST
From: DorLa
Posted on: America Online
One of my favorites is Johm Grisham's use of "set" for sit in The Chamber. Whoever edited it must have been asleep, or is he (Grisham) thought to be so perfect no one ever checks him at all?
Subj: Re:gender-bendering 94-10-06 23:32:08 EST
From: Art Blocks
Posted on: America Online
I agree with ClueLass - the names are improbable, even contrived. Do you find as many improbable names among male characters?
I disagree with WSorrells - I don't think the male names cater or pander to men because the best early example of a female PI is Sharon McCone. And neither is she particularly tough talking, exceptionally tall, or master of some exotic martial arts. (She isn't an orphan, either which is another curious trait among many PIs but I don't consider that exclusive to female PIs.) I don't think the McCone series was targeted at men or written with '"satisfying" male readers in mind. I will agree the gender bending may be part of that uncertain feeling among writers.
I'm going out of town for a few days but will try to peek in while on the road to see where this goes. Thanks for the conversation. It has been much better than anything I have experienced on other on-line services.
Subj: Re:gender-bendering 94-10-07 09:26:08 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
You must be kidding. I know women's names (in the news) like: LaJerka, Murphine, Twinetta, Callaboose, Castrata, Uniqua. Why not, Kat?
Subj: Re:gender-bendering 94-10-07 09:27:58 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Men's are just as contrived... Steve Silk... Peter Gunn... Rod Luga ... Mike Hammer...
Subj: Naming names 94-10-07 10:03:33 EST
From: Greg0
Posted on: America Online
I have to agree that mystery/detective characters get stuck with some odd and improbably names. Of course, it's worse in the movies -- but then everything is worse in the movies. I confess when I read the blurb on a book and find one of those names, I tend to put the book back.
This is rather a painful subject for me since I've written about a character with an odd name. It didn't strike me as that odd at the time I wrote it, and I think I explain how the character came by that name. Still, ain't nobody gonna say they've ever known a person named Joop. Unless maybe it's a common name in some Scandanavian country.
As far as women characters having masculine nicknames, that could be simply because a lot of women's names naturally reduce to male nicknames. Samantha becomes Sam, Roberta becomes Bobbie, Stephanie becomes Stevie (okay, I used that one in my first novel. I've also contracted a Japanese name, Reiko, Rikki. I guess I'm sort of a serial gender-bender).
Greg Fallis
Subj: Re:Naming names 94-10-07 18:57:15 EST
From: BUSTRKETN
Posted on: America Online
I like RCHERIN's comments--
really Mike Hammer?
But truth is there are mothers (fathers) th
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at play with realy names in amuzing ways
I know a Robert R. Roberts
and used to bus drive a "lad" named Christopher Kringle---Honest!
Subj: Gender-Bending 94-10-07 23:51:11 EST
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
I've spoken at lots of writers conferences and libraries and appeared on many radio and TV talk shows, and one of the most frequent questions asked me is: "Why did you choose to write from a woman's viewpoint?"
[The protagonist of my first three novels is Veronica Slate, a thirtyish female radio talk show host.]
The answer is simple and complex.
I like women. In fact, I love women.
Not in that leering, locker-room way that some men love women. I actually love them for their minds. (Which, I suppose, is why some of my best friends are women I seldom see.) Sure, I have some male friends, too. But the persons closest to me are all women.
When I decided to write fiction, I knew I couldn't write a "hard-boiled" detective series, because "macho" is a way of life totally alien to me. So I chose to write about Veronica Slate, who is a human being and an individual first, and a woman, second.
I wrote about a woman because I find women more interesting than men (sorry, guys) and I find their available methods of solving crimes and bringing evildoers to justice more rational and emotional than the average man. I also like the fact that the horror and death Veronica encounters affects her and - often - changes her attitudes.
How do I get the more subtle aspects of being a woman into my writing from Veronica's viewpoint? Mostly from hundreds of late night conversations with dozens of female friends over the last three decades and from conscious observation of women. I watch them in malls, in offices, in cars at traffic lights (nothing weird or obvious, don't worry) and try to digest the way they move, the way they speak, the way they dress.
I've also read more than three dozen mysteries featuring female protagonists, by both female and male authors.
And I frequently check things out with my wife or my other female friends. "Do you put the pantyhose on one leg at a time or...?"
But the most important thing I realized early on was that I cannot create a woman who will resemble every woman who reads my books. I'll never please everyone, so - as the late Ricky Nelson sang - "You've got to please yourself."
I created a unique person who is female. I created a woman I love almost as much as my wife. I created a female who basically likes being a woman.
Honestly, I don't know exactly how I do it and I certainly don't know how to teach someone to do it. I do know we all have male and female sides to our nature. I just tap into my female side.
I suspect that if you write in a woman's voice just because you think it will help you sell books, you'll end up sounding as self-conscious as John Updike did in "S," where he had Sarah refer to her gender so often that she started to sound like a broken record of Helen Reddy singing "I Am Woman."
I wrote three published novels from a woman's viewpoint because it felt absolutely right to me. I think you must discover for yourself which gender provides your most truthful voice, then write from that viewpoint without regard for who you are.
One caution I offer: Remember that women don't think all the time about the fact that they are women any more than men think constantly about being men. The self-conscious reference to gender and physical differences is what ruins most authors when they attempt to write the voice of the opposite sex. Write human being characters who happen to be women and it should work.
As I sometimes tell my wife when she demonstrates the fact that she is smarter than me (which is often), "I wanted to be a woman, honey, but I couldn't pass the written exam."
To which she usually says, "I'm just glad you couldn't pass the physical."
Lary Crews
Subj: Re:gender-bendering 94-10-08 03:18:03 EST
From: Art Blocks
Posted on: America Online
RCHERIN - I must confess I do not know Steve Silk or Rod Luga but the other two references are very dated. I wrote a graduate paper (now, thankfully, long lost) about Mike Hammer and he was a parody of himself half way through the first book.
I do like "Rod Luga." It's just so silly.
Subj: What's in a name... 94-10-08 10:57:13 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
I've always enjoyed the preposterous names authors choose, it shows a sense of humor... Ian Fleming's Pussy Galore.
In real life, it's funny also. In school I knew a: Jocko Strapp, Robert Fuxwelle, Charlie Urin, the Dingle twins Angle and Swingle, a teacher named Dick Hertz, another teacher Arnold Schweeebert.
Show bizness people... Engelbert Humperdinck (he made that one up), Alice Cooper (male), Potted Geranium, Strawberry Alarm Clock, CREAM???.
And author(esses) names: Laverlyle Spencer.
But an Arnold Schwartzenegger, lol.
Subj: Re:DorothyL 94-10-08 21:11:03 EST
From: Wagner Jim
Posted on: America Online
Hi, I'm new to this area and would like some help. I read some of the archives of this folder where I saw a reference to DorothyL. I believe it's a newsgroup or mail list. Can anyone out there give me any information about DorothyL? What is it and how do I access it?
Thanks in advance
Jim
Subj: Re:Grisham 94-10-08 22:51:12 EST
From: WSorrells
Posted on: America Online
While (two caveats here) I'm not Grisham's biggest fan and I haven't read The Chamber, I'll hazard a guess that he was using the term "set" for "sit" as a coloquialism and not because he didn't know the difference. Colloqualisms and non-standard grammar are quite useful when used to show that the narrative voice comes from a character who is perhaps uneducated or simply lives in a part of the country where such coloquialisms are used. As a fellow Southerner, I have to say that "set" is a pretty standard usage in the rural South.
Subj: Re:Naming names 94-10-08 22:52:31 EST
From: WSorrells
Posted on: America Online
Greg,
I thought Joop was a great name. It fit the character.
Subj: Nancy Pickard 94-10-09 16:19:09 EST
From: RhondaCK
Posted on: America Online
Nancy Pickard has agreed to come on AOL for a live chat some time this winter (no date scheduled yet). It would be helpful if anyone interested would e-mail me questions or topics for her ahead of time. I'll pass them on to her. Thanks.
--Rhonda Keith
Subj: Re: names 94-10-09 18:35:20 EST
From: DARK PRINT
Posted on: America Online
Speaking of unusual names, the quarterback on my high school's football team was named Rosie Jewells.
Subj: Re:What's in a name... 94-10-10 00:17:56 EST
From: MikeB585
Posted on: America Online
Lavyrle Spencer is her real name. Never read her books but I used to see her where she used to work years ago.
Subj: Writing Group (in the flesh) 94-10-10 13:52:12 EST
From: Chrein
Posted on: America Online
A friend and I are looking to start an actual sit-down, face-to-face fiction writing group (eek!) in New York City, and we would love to hear from anyone interested. We both write mysteries, but the genre is less important than the drive. Please post a short sample and your phone or e-mail address, and I will get back to you. Thanks. Chrein@AOL.com.
Subj: Re:Mystery Writers 94-10-10 19:27:34 EST
From: Mistysluvr
Posted on: America Online
Hi Lary, remember me? Kate Kingsbury. Actually Doreen Roberts when I was on Prodigy. Have been going strong on the Pennyfoot Hotel series. I'm writing my 7th at the moment. Nice to see you on board! All best... Kate
Subj: Pennyfoot Hotel Mysteries 94-10-10 19:57:52 EST
From: BillHEN47
Posted on: America Online
I am reading EAT, DRINK AND BE BURIED by Kate Kingsbury right now and have already read the first three books in the series, ROOM WITH A CLUE, DO NOT DISTURB, and SERVICE FOR TWO. I have found these books very enjoyable. Has anyone else read any of them?
Subj: Kate!!! 94-10-10 23:59:54 EST
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
What a delight to see you here.
I finally made something of myself. <G>
I am AOL's official fiction consultant for the Writers Club and I have been teaching online Writing The Novel courses for a year now. 500+ graduates and I have 130 students in the current class. My graduates even formed an Alumni Association and they meet once a week.
I LOVE AOL and I am so glad to see you here. Lots of people can benefit from your expertise.
I am so excited!
Welcome.
Lary
PS: I'm also teaching a live, in-person How To Do Whodunits daylong seminar for the Mystery Writers of America next month in Clearwater, FL.
Subj: sisters in crime 94-10-11 11:48:30 EST
From: TIMESTAFF3
Posted on: America Online
Hey, isn't there a Sisters in Crime folder in here somewhere? Could someone please direct me to it? (I'm new in town.) Thanks.
Subj: Want Opinions On Bouchercon 25 94-10-11 17:20:17 EST
From: HardySayls
Posted on: America Online
WANTED: Your Opinions About Bouchercon 25
I'm writing a review piece for Mystery Scene magazine about Bouchercon 25. I'm interested in your opinions about the location, programming, what went wrong, what especially was nice, what you liked, what you didn't like, what you wished had been included, what you're sick of, etc. Would you go again? Would you never go again? I'm especially interested in the opinions of first-time Bouchercon attendees. For veterans: What do you get out of going to Bouchercon? Do you feel your needs or interests are being met? These are only topic suggestions, so please don't feel that you must limit yourselves.
Please respond via email to: hardysayls@aol.com
or via snail mail to: Orietta A. Hardy-Sayles, 4241 Tehama Avenue, Fremont CA 94538-2636
Subj: The Magnifying Glass 94-10-11 17:23:20 EST
From: HardySayls
Posted on: America Online
The Magnifying Glass, A Newsletter for Mystery Aficionados is now available for October 1994 at $2. If you are interested and want a copy you can email me with your address and I'll include an invoice. Or you can write to Orietta A. Hardy-Sayles, 4241 Tehama Avenue, Fremont CA 94538-2636.
Subj: Final--names 94-10-11 19:14:49 EST
From: BUSTRKETN
Posted on: America Online
I make up names sometimes
"Calandra"
That I can use Andi or Cali as nicknames, just so when I get sick of hearing the same name over and over in my head...
With the PC and word find you can always change it
that's all ::::::::::: :)
Subj: Mystery Writers of America 94-10-11 19:57:07 EST
From: TerryC0423
Posted on: America Online
Can any of you give me info about MWA? How to join? Where and when chapters meet, etc. Thanks.
Subj: Re:Mystery Writers of America 94-10-12 08:17:04 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
Address e-mail to Lary Crews.
Subj: PWA Shamus Committees for 1994 94-10-13 22:34:44 EST
From: HardySayls
Posted on: America Online
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
12 October 1994
Private Eye Writers of America Announces
Shamus Awards Committees for 1994
Based on the description of PWA eligibility in the 1992 Private Eye Writers of America Directory: "PWA considers anyone a PI who is not employed by a unit of government and is paid for services rendered in investigative work--news reporters, lawyers who do their own investigating and others similarly employed."
All authors are encouraged to confirm with their publishers that qualifying books and short stories published in 1994 are submitted. Authors should not hesitate to submit qualifying books or short stories directly to committee members.
Best Hardcover:
Gary Niebuhr, Chair, 3734 West Ohio Avenue, Milwaukee WI 53215
Paul Bishop, 1303 El Lazo Court, Camarillo CA 93012
Bob Crais, Suite 205, 2934 1/2 Beverly Glen Cr., Bel Air CA 90077
Best Original Paperback:
Wendi Lee, Chair, 120 W. Ninth, Muscatine IA 52761
Christine Matthews, 7717 Keswick Place, St. Louis MO 63119
D.C. Brod, 43 White Oak Circle, St. Charles IL 60174
Best First Novel:
Jeremiah Healy, Chair, 186 Commonwealth Ave., Suite 31, Boston MA 02116
Nancy Baker Jacobs, 44 Esplanade, Pacific Grove CA 93950
Catherine Dain, No. 202, 11505 N. Poema Place, Chatsworth CA 91311
Best Short Story:
David Everson, Chair, 2328 E. Lake Drive, Springfield IL 62707
Peter Sellers, 160 Old Orchard Grove, Toronto, Ontario CANADA M5M
Orietta Hardy-Sayles, 4241 Tehama Ave., Fremont CA 94538-2636
# # #
Subj: MWA-FL Seminar 94-10-14 00:40:46 EST
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
The Florida Chapter of the Mystery Writers of America is sponsoring a full-day seminar called How To Do Whodunits, on Saturday, November 5, 1994 from 8:30am-5:00pm at the Feather Sound Country Club in Clearwater, Florida.
The instructor, mystery novelist (and AOL instructor) Lary Crews, will teach participants how to: create characters, outline and plan your mystery, build a plot, choose, establish, and maintain a viewpoint, decide on a setting, use description successfully, get your facts straight and handle research, plant clues, effectively write narrative and action scenes, write good dialogue, and build suspense.
Lary Crews is the author of the Veronica Slate mystery novels, Kill Cue, Extreme Close-up, and Option To Die, a columnist for New Writers Magazine and Mystery Scene, and a fiction consultant for America Online, the on-line computer service. He is also the first and only online interactive fiction teacher in America.
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For a brochure or further information, write:
MWA Florida Chapter
C/o L. Mahnke
10460 Roosevelt Blvd, #241
St.Petersburg FL 33716
Or call 813/576-0807
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>>>>> Early Bird Special Until October 21st:
MWA Member: $50
Non-member: $60
>>>>> After October 21st:
MWA Member: $60
Non-member: $70
Lunch, featuring your choice of London Broil or Basil Chicken, is included, as are coffee, tea, and soda breaks and dozens of handouts and free magazines.
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Here's the schedule:
8:30-9:00am [30 min] REGISTRATION
9:00-9:15am [15 min] INTRODUCTION
9:15-10:15am [60 min] CREATING CHARACTERS
How to create a strong protagonist, a capable villain, and interesting secondary characters, and how to make your characters come to life on the page.
10:15-10:30am [15 min] BREAK
10:30-11:30am [60 min] DIGGING YOUR PLOT
Choosing the type of mystery that's right for you. How to outline and plan your mystery and how to build a plot with a strong beginning, middle, and end.
11:30-11:45am [15 min] BREAK
11:45a-12:45p [60 min] VIEWPOINT, SETTING & DESCRIPTION
How to choose, establish, and maintain a viewpoint from which to tell your story. How to decide on a setting that contributes to your story and how to use description successfully.
12:45-2:00pm [75 min] LUNCH
2:00-3:00pm [60 min] RESEARCH, CLUES, & HERRINGS
How to get your facts straight and effectively handle research. How to plant clues, foreshadow events, and drag red herrings across the mystery trail.
3:00-3:15pm [15 min] BREAK
3:15-4:15pm [60 min] NARRATIVE & DIALOGUE
How to effectively write narrative and action scenes, use flashbacks, and how to use parallel construction to build suspense. How to write good dialogue which conveys information, advances the plot, makes complicated developments understandable, and defines and reveals your characters.
4:15-5:00pm? [45 min] Q & A WITH CREWS Your chance to ask Lary any questions you didn't have the opportunity to ask earlier. [He'll stay until the last question is answered!]
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Call 813/576-0807 for more information and a free brochure.
Subj: author profiles 94-10-14 17:08:40 EST
From: CLJUNG
Posted on: America Online
Anyone reading David Handler or Robert Crais? I'm looking for an author profile on these authors for upcoming issues of our magazine. If you are interested, please e-mail me. CLJUNG
Subj: New Member Here! 94-10-14 19:01:53 EST
From: PATQSCD
Posted on: America Online
Hi mystery writers. I'm new to this forum. Anyone know where I can find a group of people who write mysteries? I'm just getting started and am looking for other novices. Thanks!
--Pat (NY)
Subj: Blame it on Carolyn Keene 94-10-14 20:07:52 EST
From: ClueLass
Posted on: America Online
Didn't Nancy Drew have a best friend who called herself George? As I recall, she was the "tomboy" and Bess was the girly girl. Fertile field here for Armchair Detective work.
Subj: Peeve: Stereotypes 94-10-14 20:53:22 EST
From: ClueLass
Posted on: America Online
Saw this
in a well-known magazine, by a well-known author:
" "...You running around with a Hispanic behind my back?"
"Only the gardener we hired to keep the lawn mowed." "
Whoa, major stereotype or what? Nothing in the story hinged on the gardener being Hispanic. And I don't think the author intended either character to come across as patronizing. Later in the same story we had a "hot-blooded Latino waiter."
Then, in a different magazine, a different story, describing a woman who may be Scandanavian, we have "Some Europeans were known for their canniness in money management." What is that supposed to mean? Couldn't you also say "Some Americans were" or even "Some people were"? And what is that supposed to add to the characterization? Is this author trying to avoid cultural stereotyping or allude to it in an oh-so-subtle way?
Where were the editors of these esteemed mags? Seems to me my writing teachers (going back to junior high) all said to avoid stereotyping. This is not a matter of political correctness, it's a matter of avoiding stale, trite, cliched, hackneyed, boring writing. On the other hand, can we go so far in avoiding the stereotype that we say it by not saying it?
This may light a few firecrackers. Looking forward to your comments.
Subj: Name Thing 94-10-14 21:03:13 EST
From: LiseMac
Posted on: America Online
I confess to also writing a semi-masculine named character-- Alix, but have you ever noticed how few names there are for women in the name books?? Men use tons of surnames as proper names but until Taylor and Madison, etc., became popular recently, women rarely did. Check out what mothers are naming their babies these days--tons of "masculine-sounding" girl babies out there. And as for stretching credulity, is that really a matter to discuss when private eyes have very little to do with murder cases in "real life," (whatever that is)?? The whole genre is based on something that is entirely unrealistic. So if the women need gung-ho names, and the guys need bottles in their drawers, so be it.
Subj: Re:Peeve: Stereotypes 94-10-14 21:33:38 EST
From: Armii
Posted on: America Online
Avoid stereotypes???? I don't think so. Avoid using worn out stereotypes, avoid using needless stereotypes, but by all means use stereotypes. You can even use reverse stereotypes, but a book with no stereotypes at all would be as dry as WWII surplus hardtack.
Armii
Subj: Re:Peeve: Stereotypes 94-10-15 09:37:00 EST
From: RCHERIN
Posted on: America Online
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
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