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This is an archive file of the "Ask Lary Crews" folder from the Mystery message board. The "Lary Crews" folders will be on hiatus; temporarily, we hope!
The postings in this file date from 9/2/95 to 7/15/96; enjoy!
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Subj: About this folder
Date: 95-09-02 01:55:49 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
Welcome to ASK LARY CREWS.
Just a reminder about what this folder is:
This is the place to get answers to your questions about writing and selling book-length fiction, especially mystery novels.
I'm a published novelist and novel-writing instructor for America Online who tries to answer questions for those who seek my advice. I'm not the final authority on anything. I am merely an experienced professional writer who sincerely wants to help others. I certainly don't expect you to agree with everything I say. I only hope you will read my advice and solicit advice from others and do what feels right to you. The information I provide comes from several dozen excellent books on writing and from my experience as a published writer and a teacher at more than 150 writers conferences and meetings of writers groups.
Anticipating questions regarding my credentials, I offer a quick resume of my related experience:
> Wrote 5 mystery novels, 3 of which were published and are now out of print. [Kill Cue, Extreme Close-up, Option To Die] [1989-1992]
> Wrote 20 published poems and 1 published, award-winning short story [The Magic Morning]. [1964-1983]
> I was a Fiction Expert for Prodigy, the online computer service, for 18 months and fielded more than 4,000 inquiries in my ASK LARY CREWS area there before I resigned. [1992-1993]
> I have been a Fiction Consultant for the Writers Club and a novel-writing Instructor for America Online since September 1993. [1993-1994-1995]
> Taught more than 150 workshops & seminars at writers conferences, writer's clubs and libraries over the last 10 years.
> Sold and wrote 405 magazine articles, all of which were published in regional and national magazines. [1983-1987]
> I was a broadcast [radio and TV] journalist for 15 years in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Texas and Florida. [1964-1979]
At various times in my life, I have also:
> edited 2 weekly newspapers [Houston Convention News & Florida Business Journal] and 1 regional magazine. [Florida Quarterly] Currently:
> I write 3 regular columns; 2 for national writers magazines [Mystery Scene and New Writers] and 1 for a regional computer magazine [PC Monitor].
> I'm also at work on a new mystery/suspense novel.
> I am a professional member of the American Crime Writers League and the Mystery Writers of America.
I am delighted to answer questions from writers, published or pre-published. Because of my busy schedule, it may take me up to three days to answer a post, but I WILL answer every one.
If you don't want to share your ideas with the general public, feel free to leave me a private message. My Screen Name is LaryCrews [original, huh? <G>]
Lary Crews
Fiction Consultant
Writers Club
America Online
PS: I also teach the popular Writing The Novel courses here on AOL.
Subj: Lary
Date: 95-09-02 13:00:21 edt
From: Delta Wire
Posted on: America Online
Lary-
You are more places than God! <g>
Marie
Subj: Questions
Date: 95-09-03 11:06:15 edt
From: Galarneaux
Posted on: America Online
Lary:
Would you say this would be the place to ask questions as far as technique? On the other board that I posted on there were a bunch of people that contributed. Is it just going to be you here??? This is fine, but I wonder if there is going to be a technique board opened.
Thanks.
Kathy
Subj: Specific question
Date: 95-09-03 15:55:22 edt
From: DKratky69
Posted on: America Online
I have a specific question about the acceptablity of subject matter in a chapter I just finished. I like it but I'm concerned (never having published) if it would turn a publisher off.
Shall I e-mail you or should I post the situation and ask for a group response?
Debby Kratky
Subj: Re:Questions
Date: 95-09-04 20:53:53 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<Would you say this would be the place to ask questions as far as technique? On the other board that I posted on there were a bunch of people that contributed. Is it just going to be you here??? This is fine, but I wonder if there is going to be a technique board opened.>>>
That kind of question can be posted in Mystery Writers folder in addition to my own.
You'll get answers from me, here.
And from anyone in Mystery Writers.
Lary
Subj: Re:Specific question
Date: 95-09-04 20:54:36 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<I have a specific question about the acceptablity of subject matter in a chapter I just finished. I like it but I'm concerned (never having published) if it would turn a publisher off.
Shall I e-mail you or should I post the situation and ask for a group response?
Debby Kratky>>>
Why not do both?
Lary
Subj: Search
Date: 95-09-05 12:43:18 edt
From: JimWal7800
Posted on: America Online
Lary: I have posted this message on various boards (including www) and,
in view of your illustrious background I thought I would also post here.
I'm looking for info on a writer named Drucilla Modjeska and two shorts of hers called : The Orchard and Poppy.
Jim Walsh....jimwal7800
Subj: Re:Search
Date: 95-09-06 19:29:54 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<< I'm looking for info on a writer named Drucilla Modjeska and two shorts of hers called : The Orchard and Poppy.>>>
Sorry. Never heard of her.
Lary
Subj: Body Waste
Date: 95-09-07 19:01:53 edt
From: DKratky69
Posted on: America Online
I have a mentally ill person who is kidnapped (in my book). He is also very intellegent and sweet. He figures out a way to escape that involves body waste. It isn't too gross but it is fecal material none the less. I read any time I'm not writing or working. I've read about dismembered body parts, rapes, and just about everything else. But not that. Is there a reason for that.
Or is shit by any other name still shit?
That is the question.
I really like the chapter, it's different and it works. But I would hate to be rejected because of a little matter like this one. It's in a chamber pot, cute - huh?
Let me know, Larry.
Any other comments are welcome.
Debby
Subj: Re:Body Waste
Date: 95-09-08 02:36:46 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<Or is shit by any other name still shit?
That is the question.
I really like the chapter, it's different and it works. But I would hate to be rejected because of a little matter like this one. It's in a chamber pot, cute - huh?
Let me know, Larry.>>>
Uh, it's Lary, not Larry. <G>
Well, I think it depends on how graphically you write it.
I mean there are thousands of books which are full of shit but I also have never read one that actually mentions it.
Lary
Subj: Re:Body Waste
Date: 95-09-08 20:13:02 edt
From: DKratky69
Posted on: America Online
Well, I went back and reread the scene. I think I'll leave it in. I mean it's not real gross simply because the character sees it as natural and laughs at other people's perception of it. Maybe it's a good thing, It's far enough into the book that I don't think it would be rejected by that one point I feel sure I have given many other reasons to reject it long before the shit hits the fan...so to speak.
Thanks for answering Lary (by the way, how is your first name pronounced. With a name like Kratky, I know how important it is to have someone pronounced correctly and maybe some day we'll meet!)
Debby
Subj: mystery novelists
Date: 95-09-10 01:25:35 edt
From: SOPWITH185
Posted on: America Online
Larry, read my question under, Mystery Novelists....
Thank-you, MM
Subj: Re:Body Waste
Date: 95-09-10 04:26:01 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<Thanks for answering Lary (by the way, how is your first name pronounced. With a name like Kratky, I know how important it is to have someone pronounced correctly and maybe some day we'll meet!)>>>
This will be a real letdown but Lary is pronounced just like Mary or Gary.
Lary
I'm not offended when people misspell my name.
[Even my mother forgets sometimes.]
ONE 'R' IN LARY IS EASY TO SPELL.
It's AncilLARY without the Ancil.
or BurgLARY minus the Burg.
or CodicilLARY without the Codicil.
or ConstabuLARY minus the Constabu.
Don't even get me started on:
LARYnx, LARYnges, LARYngeal, and LARYngitis.
But it's also SaLARY without the Sa.
or TuteLARY minus the Tute.
And most important of all for writers:
It's VocabuLARY without the Vocabu.
From LARY CREWS [One R in each name! <G>
PS: With the new administration in power, my name is in the paper almost every day.
Just take HILLARY and cover up the HIL and you've got LARY!
Subj: Need A Willing Attorney
Date: 95-09-13 18:02:51 edt
From: LStrong276
Posted on: America Online
I am working on a mystery piece that involves legal logistics. Where is the best place for me to turn in order to receive (free) advice. My character is charged with a crime that I need to see what the maximum penalty would be, as well as tests the character's logistics of getting off. Any advice?
Subj: New Area
Date: 95-09-14 00:50:17 edt
From: JIvrey
Posted on: America Online
I'm new to "The Writers Club" and Mystery Fiction, but I see there is supposed to be a new area--Mystery Messaging? Where is it? Is there a keyword? Would hate to be missing out on anything....Thanks
Subj: "New Mystery" magazine
Date: 95-09-14 11:03:34 edt
From: Cmcwriter
Posted on: America Online
Anyone familiar with *New Mystery* magazine? I sent them a check and SASE for a sample copy of the magazine--the check was cashed but i never received the magazine. I wrote about it--never got a response. I called their new york number, got an answering machine, left a message and never received an answer.
Has anyone else had such problems? Better be careful selling them anything--perhaps they're having financial trouble.
Please e-mail me if you have comments or advice. Thanks.
Carol C
Subj: Re:Need A Willing Attorney
Date: 95-09-14 11:23:01 edt
From: FGSnyder
Posted on: America Online
I know Lary will respond, but I'll put my two cents in. Your answers will vary depending on the state (in the geographic sense) your character is in. (If your piece is set in New York you can Email your questions to me.) You've got two options. First, you can go yourself to a law library. To my knowledge, there's one in every county in every state and they're almost always open to the public. They'll have your local and state materials. If you're not living in the state where your crime is set, you can get all materials from other states at a major law library. There's one at every ABA-approved law school, and I think there's at least one such school in every state. (If you let me know where you are, I can tell you what law school is near you.)
Second, and easier, is just to call a criminal defense lawyer. We LOVE to talk about stuff like this. We're flattered as heck when someone calls to ask questions. Do it professionally, and mention that several people have told you that they're the best around, and I guarantee they'll fall over themselves to show off their expertise. Free.
Another avenue is to call your nearest law school and find out who the criminal law and criminal procedure teachers are. They're generally very willing to answer questions, and if you've got questions that require up-to-date knowledge (e.g., the status of Battered Women Syndrome in the jurisdiction), they'll be the best people to contact.
Hope this helps.
-- Frank
Subj: info on author
Date: 95-09-17 11:55:14 edt
From: ShellC4535
Posted on: America Online
I am trying to locate info on Carolyn Keene, wrote Nancy Drew Books, real name Edward Stratemeyer, after his death, his daughter continued to write Drew books, her name Harriet Adams, any info on either authors will be helpful. Daughter has to do a report for school. Any advise or assistance will be greatly appreciated! :)
Subj: Re:info on author
Date: 95-09-17 12:23:32 edt
From: Kthirty
Posted on: America Online
try posting on the children's writers board, lots of good people there!
Subj: TO: Kthirty
Date: 95-09-17 18:51:46 edt
From: ShellC4535
Posted on: America Online
Thank you very much for the assistance! I really appreciate your help, I will post of the children's writers board. Thanks again! :)
Subj: Re:Nancy Drew
Date: 95-09-18 06:00:15 edt
From: DougAnd
Posted on: America Online
There's a guy who posts infrequently on dorothyl who's into the Nancy Drew / Stratemeyer / Adams stuff in a major way. You might want to search the dorothyl archives for Nancy Drew and see if his name turns up. I usually skip those posts, but I do remember he's in Ohio.
Good luck.
Subj: DougAnd
Date: 95-09-18 11:16:05 edt
From: ShellC4535
Posted on: America Online
I will try your suggestion, thank you very much for your assistance! :)
Subj: dorothyl archives
Date: 95-09-18 11:20:47 edt
From: ShellC4535
Posted on: America Online
I hate to sound too stupid----but how to I access dorothyl archives? I'm really new to all this computer stuff! Thanks!!!! :)
Subj: Re:dorothyl archives
Date: 95-09-18 11:42:42 edt
From: Kthirty
Posted on: America Online
When you click on Mystery Messaging, ask to see all the folders. There is one titled Frequently Asked Questions. The very first post tells you how to get on the DorothyL. mailing list. Kathy
Subj: Kthirty
Date: 95-09-18 20:29:46 edt
From: ShellC4535
Posted on: America Online
Kathy:
You have been a tremendous help to us, thank you very much!! We really appreciate your help! :)
Michelle
Subj: Re:Need A Willing Attorney
Date: 95-09-19 02:35:42 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<< I am working on a mystery piece that involves legal logistics. Where is the best place for me to turn in order to receive (free) advice. My character is charged with a crime that I need to see what the maximum penalty would be, as well as tests the character's logistics of getting off. Any advice? >>>
Yes. Call an attorney in the city where you live and tell him what you are doing and ask for advice.
If that doesn't work, Email me for the screen names of the 14 attorneys who are in my online fiction-writing classes.
Lary
Subj: Re:New Area
Date: 95-09-19 02:36:48 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<I'm new to "The Writers Club" and Mystery Fiction, but I see there is supposed to be a new area--Mystery Messaging? Where is it? Is there a keyword? Would hate to be missing out on anything....Thanks>>>
Boy, you ARE new, <smile>
It is right here. You are in it. They changed the name to Mystery Fiction after we begged and cried and rolled on the floor.
Lary
Subj: Word count and software
Date: 95-09-19 23:17:53 edt
From: DKratky69
Posted on: America Online
I have two questions for you Larry.
1. What is a good word count for an average length book?
2. Is it better to purchase software especially for writing novels rather than using plain old Word or Wordperfect - what do you think?
Subj: Re: trying to keep hopes up
Date: 95-09-20 00:43:06 edt
From: CKrivacka
Posted on: America Online
I finished a novel this summer and sent out queries to almost 30 agents. Four asked to see the whole manuscript, 4 more asked to see parts. I'm trying to get an agent now. When you started out, did everyone ask you about "your book" smugly, like they thought you were joking? Maybe I'm too sensitive, but I feel like I'm being mocked. I have had unusally good luck so far, haven't I? I don't know any writers to give me a frame of reference. Might I add that I am a state attorney, 26 years old, and worked full time while writing this thing. Isn't it enough to have WRITTEN the book (and have started another)? Why are people so condescending? Thanks for letting me vent. I'll be checking this folder frequently to read your sage words of wisdom and advice, Lary with one R.
--Caroline in Nashville, TN
Subj: begged and cried and rolled
Date: 95-09-20 07:52:30 edt
From: Delta Wire
Posted on: America Online
Lary-
<<<<They changed the name to Mystery Fiction after we begged and cried and rolled on the floor.>>>>
Do we R E A L L Y beg and cry and roll?
Wondering,
Marie < lying on the floor with the cat wondering what to do next. Meow!
Subj: Re: trying to keep hopes up
Date: 95-09-20 08:15:27 edt
From: DougAnd
Posted on: America Online
Hi, Caroline
This is Doug with no r. Sounds like you're on the right track. Get used to the mocking and condescension. Your list of categories for such reactions will grow and grow. Wait till you start getting rejections and reviews. And heavens, the stuff you'll hear at book signings .... What a hoot! Keep smiling and enjoy the ride.
And now back to your regularly scheduled Lary.
Cheers,
Doug Anderson
Subj: Re: trying to keep hopes up
Date: 95-09-20 16:51:21 edt
From: DKratky69
Posted on: America Online
I'll still writing my first mystery. It's funny, when I was writing technical stuff for Social Workers, people took it very seriously. But when I mention I'm also writing my first fiction and it's a mystery - boy!
It's odd, because I consider this to be my best work. I did the other because I'm an old hippie and I teach Social Work for a living.
I'm writing because I love it. I've never had this much fun. I get energy just writing a page or two. I finally figured out at 44, what's really important. I like my writing and I truely hope others do as well. But the bottom line is - life is very good right now. I'm having a ball. And that's why I'll go on writing, even if people do act as if it's a hobby. I know the truth and, thanks to these wonderful boards, I get to share my feelings with the rest of you.
Cool - debby
Subj: Re: word length and soft ware
Date: 95-09-21 10:07:33 edt
From: Kthirty
Posted on: America Online
Ditto the question re word length and soft ware. I have heard 60,000.
And software?...I have joined an online critique group and could not transfer my first chapter out of Word Perfect Works onto email. I had to retype the whole thing! (Beach Boys played very loud helps this process along nicely). I'm not looking forward to retyping the whole novel this way though it is a good way to edit a bit. (May I brag here?) My first reponse back from the critique group was POSITIVE :) :) :)
Kathy
Subj: Printing from message board.
Date: 95-09-26 23:25:25 edt
From: Bestpals
Posted on: America Online
Hi Lary: Just wanted to say thanks for all the great inspiration I've received from your postings and replys. I've started writing again and the last three months, I've printed off a lot of your info to save and reread. With this new format from AOL, I can't seem to print the messages. Please advise what I'm doing wrong. Thanks much, Betts
Subj: Re: word length and soft ware
Date: 95-09-28 02:08:49 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<.I have joined an online critique group and could not transfer my first chapter out of Word Perfect Works onto email. I had to retype the whole thing! (Beach Boys played very loud helps this process along nicely).>>>
You must be talking about Works for Windows OR Wordperfect because there is no such thing as Word Perfect Works.
Why didn't you just save the chapter as an ASCII file and cut and paste it into AOL.
That's what I do and I have transferred the equivalent of 16 novels to AOL that way.
Lary
Subj: Re:Printing from message board.
Date: 95-10-04 02:42:36 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<< With this new format from AOL, I can't seem to print the messages. Please advise what I'm doing wrong. Thanks much, Betts>>>
Since I am not there, I don't know.
Use Keyword TECHLIVE and ask the pros (it's free)
Lary
Subj: Starting over again
Date: 95-10-15 02:41:21 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
Fear of Flying (again) By Lary Crews
My first three published mystery novels - Kill Cue, Extreme Close-Up, and Option To Die - were published in 1989 and 1990 and sold more than a quarter-of-a-million copies. Since then, I've had two novels soundly rejected by a dozen of the top publishers in America.
You could call me a "has-been" or a "previously-published novelist." Either way you look at it, the last few years have been very frustrating. Most writers go through this BEFORE their first novel is published; I'm going through it now.
As you all know, writing a novel is not like knocking out a grocery list or, for that matter, writing a monthly column. It takes an investment of time and faith and your heart and soul.
My first three novels featured a Tampa radio talk show host turned amateur sleuth named Veronica Slate. I loved her and so did thousands of my readers. (In fact, just over one thousand of them sent me letters saying so.)
However, when my first publisher (Lynx Books of NYC) went bankrupt half-way through my six-book contract with them, my career fell into tatters.
My agent at the time fought for months and managed to get the rights to Veronica Slate back for me. We tried for a year to sell a fourth book in the series. No one wanted to pick up a series that had been started by a competitor.
So, I devoted ten months of my life to creating another novel starring Veronica Slate, this one designed to be the first in a new series. We didn't fool the publishers. Still, no one wanted to publish the Slate series.
For the next year, I did two stupid things: I started and trashed five different novel ideas and I agonized over whether I should part company with my agent. I was afraid that if I did I would never be able to get another one. I feared my success at getting an agent the first time and getting published right away was a fluke; that it could never happen again.
Finally, I gained the courage to sever my relationship with my first agent and I made a list of five other agents I felt were good, effective and who might be interested in me.
At the top of my list was Robin Rue of the Anita Diamant agency. Although she's younger than me by a few years, Robin is experienced, well-liked, talented, tough when she has to be, and very good with people. She also has a good sense of humor.
I had met her in 1992 at a writers conference in St.Petersburg. (I'm on the permanent teaching staff of the conference and attend every year.) That year, I already had an agent.
In 1993, at the same conference, I signed up for a personal meeting with her and I told her my story. She gave me a list of things she wanted to see to weigh my worth as a client. She told me to call her in thirty days.
On the twenty-eighth day, she called me and she started right in with, "I want to take the Frank Tasker idea to my friend at Bantam and I..."
I interrupted her with, "Does this mean you want to represent me?"
She laughed and said, "Would you like me to?"
"Of course," I said. In a week, I signed the letter of agreement and Robin Rue became my new agent.
I signed with Robin on April 27, 1993 and I spent the rest of that year creating the Frank Tasker mystery series and writing the first one hundred pages of the first book, Mankiller, so she could try to sell the series about a Sarasota private eye on the basis of what we in the industry call "a partial."
Robin tried to interest eight different publishers in the series over the next eleven months and no one took it on. Some liked the character but not the plot; others liked the plot but not the character. No one wanted to take a chance on "another male Florida private eye."
So, now I am at the beginning of the birth process again.
I am trying to create a new set of fictional people out of whole cloth, trying to write a book that will interest editors enough to publish it, trying to get back on track again.
And you want to know what? I'm scared. As usual.
Lary
Subj: Re:Starting over again
Date: 95-10-15 10:48:15 edt
From: Kthirty
Posted on: America Online
Lary, consider yourself hugged - {{{{{ }}}}}}
Kathy, as the Good Witch of the North of SinC board I will boil up a few toads in your honor on Halloween for luck.
Subj: Re:Starting over again
Date: 95-10-17 02:29:20 edt
From: AllenBro
Posted on: America Online
It's so refreshing to hear you say those two ominous words Lary,"I'm scared." I have just finished my first in a series of Drew Basset novels. These are about a Seattle Homicide Detective with 25 years on the force. Jazz for a Dead Quartet is set not only in the Seattle Homicide Department, but also in some of Seattle jazz clubs. Drew is a jazz pianist.
To date two agents have turned me down. They comment that the book is very interesting but decided not to take it on. It is with a third agent in of all places Merlin Oregon. Not to fear, he is a 40 year vet of 5th Ave NY. His name is Bernard Shir-Cliff, if you've ever heard of him.
I'm 56 years old and learning my craft. This book has been like going back to college. I wonder about the voice. Where can I go to find out if the voice is my problem?
Allen
Subj: Re:Starting over again
Date: 95-10-18 02:16:00 edt
From: AllenBro
Posted on: America Online
I had to print your Starting over again to read from time to time. The one thing that scares me more than anythhing else is the lunacy of the printing business. You would think logic would dictate that the sales of your first three books would guarantee a publisher that you have attracted a readership. How could sane publishers turn that down. It makes no sense to me. Makes you wonder what chance an unknown like myself has. It's a scary business. Feel free to comment on email AllenBro. I'd like to hear from you.
Allen
Subj: Re:Starting over again
Date: 95-10-18 22:08:24 edt
From: DorLa
Posted on: America Online
Lary, Thanks for sharing. You can bet we're all pulling for you and will get the champagne ready to toast you when all that sweat and blood and tears are finally rewarded. Beats me how a publishing house can turn down someone with a known track record, especially one where your previous books sold so well. Ah, me, I admire you for keeping on keeping on. Gives me the gumption to do the same. DorLa
Subj: Re:Starting over again
Date: 95-10-19 02:26:06 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<I'm 56 years old and learning my craft. This book has been like going back to college. I wonder about the voice. Where can I go to find out if the voice is my problem?>>>
Not to be self-promotional but you might consider my next Advanced Writing The Novel course. If interested, Email me "Send info on Advanced WTN winter class" and I will.
Lary
PS: *I* would like your book; I'm a big jazz fan.
Subj: Permissions
Date: 95-10-22 14:39:14 edt
From: AllenM1043
Posted on: America Online
We include some words from a popular song in a ms. It seems that, if we have just one or two words we don't need permission, but if we print a whole verse, we do need to get (by paying $$$) permission. Where do we draw the line? How many words (or is it bars?) do we get for free?
Subj: Re:Permissions
Date: 95-10-24 01:59:50 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<We include some words from a popular song in a ms. It seems that, if we have just one or two words we don't need permission, but if we print a whole verse, we do need to get (by paying $$$) permission. Where do we draw the line? How many words (or is it bars?) do we get for free?>>>
It varies with the publisher and artist involved.
Lary
Subj: Re:Permissions
Date: 95-10-25 10:40:10 edt
From: FGSnyder
Posted on: America Online
Lary's right, but the more popular the song the tougher they'll be. A few months ago I was talking to two writers who each had bad experiences with this problem. One wanted to use Curtis Mayfield's "Pusher Man" -- hardly a clasic -- and the other wanted to use "In the Midnight Hour." Both publishers wanted the moon, and both writers finally gave up and didn't quote any of the lyrics.
You're always free to use the title at no charge, however, as the writer did in calling her book "In the Midnight Hour. You generally can't copyright titles.
-- Frank
Subj: Re: New Mystery Magazine
Date: 95-10-26 18:11:46 edt
From: JKenn10050
Posted on: America Online
I see that I am not the only one having problems with this magazine. Lary, can any of your lawyer students do anything about this magazine? I sent them a check for a subscription in June. They cashed it in July. I have faxed them twice asking for my subscription to be sent, and have also written the editor. Their address is: 175 Fifth Ave., #2001, New York, NY10010. Nothing has been acknwledged, but they did cash my check. I had considered sending them my short stories as I whipped them into shape, but I wouldn't send them anything after my experience. An earlier message to you said they were in financial trouble. Can anything be done about these people?
Jo (JKenn10050)
Subj: Re: New Mystery Magazine
Date: 95-10-31 02:39:38 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<I see that I am not the only one having problems with this magazine. Lary, can any of your lawyer students do anything about this magazine? I sent them a check for a subscription in June. They cashed it in July. I have faxed them twice asking for my subscription to be sent, and have also written the editor. Their address is: 175 Fifth Ave., #2001, New York, NY10010. Nothing has been acknwledged, but they did cash my check. I had considered sending them my short stories as I whipped them into shape, but I wouldn't send them anything after my experience. An earlier message to you said they were in financial trouble. Can anything be done about these people?>>>
I'm sorry but I have no idea what can be done.
Lary
Subj: Re: trying to keep hopes up
Date: 95-11-01 01:13:54 edt
From: Gaeriel C
Posted on: America Online
Caroline, I know how you feel. I'm a teacher and no one takes me seriously. EXCEPT....when they have something that needs edited or written or rewritten!!! I have done so many freebies you would no believe it. But it is writing and I just keep doing it and one day I will sell my book(s) and then I will have the smug smile....maybe not, smug is not my style.
Karren
Subj: eberhardt mystery
Date: 95-11-08 20:08:27 edt
From: LOLLY567
Posted on: America Online
do you know a source for eberhardt mysteries? i collect and am missing one.
Subj: Re:Starting over again
Date: 95-11-12 17:34:10 edt
From: JeHager
Posted on: America Online
Lary, I'm pulling for you. We are all scared at times. I have a good friend who published three books in a series (Scribner did the hard covers and Worldwide the paperbacks)--then, bang, they decided to drop the series, even though her editor had told her the proposal for the fourth book was the strongest one yet. She changed agents and the proposal for the fourth book was sent everywhere, but no takers. She found, as you did, that it's rare to find a publisher who will pick up a series mid-stream. (I lucked out and was able to move my Mitch Bushyhead Cherokee mystery series from St. Martin's to Mysterious Press with the fourth book--but I think it was only because Mysterious publishes my other Cherokee mystery series (featuring Molly Bearpaw)--so now I alternate Mitch and Molly, still writing only one book a year for Mysterious. (I do another series--b&b, amateur sleuth, for Avon--also one book a year). But I am wandering. Back to my friend. She finally wrote 100 pages of a new book with a new character, a crime reporter for a newspaper, and has now signed a two-book contract with Signet (I think that's the house) for paperback originals. She says the new series is grittier, darker than the first series, has some sex-scenes, etc. I don't know how any of this can help you, but I have heard that publishers are not looking for PI books, especially male PI's. With the market as tight as it is right now, you are probably going to have to come up with a really fresh hook, some unique cultural background or profession for the protagonist (something like that). Just hang in there. Good, persistent writers eventually hit again.
Jean Hager
Subj: Hooks
Date: 95-11-13 13:18:23 edt
From: EKathy
Posted on: America Online
Almost hate to ask you anything - sounds like you are knee high in sharks right now.
But hey -- maybe a mundane problem looks good right now.
I understand you have made some good suggestions on hooks before.
I am weak there -- maybe a page or two before you know why you are reading my stuff.
How do you do a "Whats the matter with this picture" before you hardly begin?
If you have 'done' this before, just tell me where to look.
Kathy
Subj: synopses
Date: 95-11-21 15:09:04 edt
From: ChetWesman
Posted on: America Online
My seminar leader, a published author and former college prof states firmly NEVER NEVER NEVER give away the climax of your novel in the synopsis. Is this good advice?
Subj: synopses
Date: 95-11-21 20:00:13 edt
From: ChetWesman
Posted on: America Online
I asked this before and don't know where to find the answer so will try again here. In a genre novel seminar our leader, a 17 book author and college prof (retiress) says never tell the climax in a synopsis as that teases the agent to ask for the manuscript. Comment?
Subj: Re:synopses
Date: 95-11-22 19:07:23 edt
From: MsSleuth
Posted on: America Online
I was told by two agents I spoke to at the SinC conference in Houston they would not accept a synopsis without an ending. Their reasoning was that they had to know that you could write an ending.
Denise
Subj: Re:synopses
Date: 95-11-28 09:49:30 edt
From: CapeCodCat
Posted on: America Online
I have pondered this synopsis problem.
I don't know the answer. But I did hear an agent speak on that subject this summer. She said that if someone withheld important information like that, she would assume they had no clue how to finish their book. Further, she might not handle them, because she wouldn't know where they were going.
: /
Marie
Subj: Re:Searchdentistry/fict/nonf
Date: 95-11-29 01:35:32 edt
From: RMotek
Posted on: America Online
Don't know if this is the place to go but...Looking for dental hygienists, dentists, &teeth related subjects in all media for dental hygiene column. No amount mentioned is too small, how old it is doesn't matter either, Thanks.
Subj: Info re mystery novel synopsis
Date: 95-12-07 00:53:11 edt
From: BLefcowitz
Posted on: America Online
Dear Lary,
I have just completed a mystery novel and want to begin the arduous search for agent and publisher. Question: in the letter of inquiry and/or synopsis should I give away the identity of the murderer or just leave that open? Barbara Lefcowitz. E-mail at aol. Though I've published several books, this is my first mystery novel.
Subj: Re:Starting over again
Date: 95-12-08 02:55:21 edt
From: ASarsorito
Posted on: America Online
Lary:
I know exactly how you feel. After 25 years of not writing, I'm starting out. I am working on the first draft of a mystery/supernatural manuscript which is approximately halfway through its birth pains at 62,000 words.
I don't know if I did the right thing when a plot took possession of me so badly that I couldn't allay it. Normally, I write ideas in a journal I keep for future projects so they are not forgotten; it didn't do the trick and I ended up writing a 7500 word short story. A friend of mine who is a retired copy editor from a major NY newspaper advised me to have this particular story agented. Nine agents showed interest and I have heard from three already since mailing it out on Nov. 21. Two of the responses had positive comments with one asking to see my future work when completed. How I know the fear of which you speak! I couldn't stop rewriting and lost fifteen pounds in that one week just from nerves. I was shaking in the post office! It was like parting with a child!
Now I seem to be having difficulty in reorienting myself to the novel; the agent who asked to see my work when completed suggested I extend the short story into a novel. How do I refocus myself?
Terri
Subj: Re:Hooks
Date: 95-12-09 06:38:37 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
Hi Kathy
Sorry for the delay. I have been out of town for three weeks.
<<I understand you have made some good suggestions on hooks before. I am weak there -- maybe a page or two before you know why you are reading my stuff. How do you do a "Whats the matter with this picture" before you hardly begin? If you have 'done' this before, just tell me where to look.>>>
I'm not sure what your question is. The hook I talk about is actually at the beginning of the first chapter. Maybe my file on plotting would help you.
For extensive information about plotting your novel, download CREWS ON PLOTTING from the TIPS ON NOVEL WRITING library.
Here's how to find the file:
1. Use Keyword "Writers" to take you to the Writer's Club main menu.
2. Double-click on BUSINESS OF WRITING
4. Double-click on TIPS ON NOVEL WRITING
5. Double-click on CREWS ON PLOTTING
6. Click on Download Now and indicate where you want the file to be
downloaded. (Or you can click on Download Later and do it later.)
7. Once downloaded, the file can be read by any word processor as it was saved in pure "DOS text" or ASCII.
Do NOT attempt to read it using AOL's system software. It is too big.
Feel free to visit me in any one of my four ASK LARY CREWS folders in these areas: MYSTERY FICTION, WRITERS MARKET MESSAGE CENTER, MORE FICTION, FICTION WRITING or CLUB NEWS & UPDATES in the WRITERS CLUB.
-------------------------------------
Do not hesitate to ask me any questions you may have, via E-Mail.
Lary Crews (LaryCrews)
Fiction Consultant
America Online
Subj: Re:synopses
Date: 95-12-09 06:40:01 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<My seminar leader, a published author and former college prof states firmly NEVER NEVER NEVER give away the climax of your novel in the synopsis. Is this good advice?>>>
No offense intended to your leader, but that is TOTALLY WRONG. Editors and agents HATE it when authors leave out the ending in a synopsis.
Trust me. I have discussed this with more than 20 agents and nearly two dozen editors.
Lary
Subj: Re:Info re mystery novel syn
Date: 95-12-09 06:41:40 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<I have just completed a mystery novel and want to begin the arduous search for agent and publisher. Question: in the letter of inquiry and/or synopsis should I give away the identity of the murderer or just leave that open? Barbara Lefcowitz. E-mail at aol. Though I've published several books, this is my first mystery novel.>>>
Don't keep secrets like that from agents or editors. Be professional.
What are you afraid they will do; send faxes to all your potential readers revealing the killer?
<smile>
Lary
Subj: Re:Starting over again
Date: 95-12-09 06:44:33 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<.
I don't know if I did the right thing when a plot took possession of me so badly that I couldn't allay it. Normally, I write ideas in a journal I keep for future projects so they are not forgotten; it didn't do the trick and I ended up writing a 7500 word short story. A friend of mine who is a retired copy editor from a major NY newspaper advised me to have this particular story agented. Nine agents showed interest and I have heard from three already since mailing it out on Nov. 21. Two of the responses had positive comments with one asking to see my future work when completed. How I know the fear of which you speak! I couldn't stop rewriting and lost fifteen pounds in that one week just from nerves. I was shaking in the post office! It was like parting with a child!>>>
If I understood you correctly and you said you have submitted a SHORT STORY to nine agents, you need not shake anymore. The chances are very good no one will represent you.
Nearly all agents today handle only novels or nonfiction books and take on short stories only as a gesture of friendship to clients who are already making them money.
If you mean you send that short story material as a sample of the novel to come, then good luck.
Lary
Subj: Re:Starting over again
Date: 95-12-09 23:34:29 edt
From: ASarsorito
Posted on: America Online
Lary:
The agents actually asked to see the short story, to quote one, "I'd like to see a sample of your writing." I was more surprised than anyone for I am well aware they are only interested in book length projects. The response has been more than I expected and I am planning to convert the short story into a novel at their urgings. As an unpublished writer, I was very pleasantly surprised at their desire to screen new ideas and graciousness; I thought I'd be running into an unscalable brick wall.
You have a great factor in your favor; you have been published and are a proven author. It seems you have a terrific agent who believes in your work and that means a great deal. I wish you the best of luck in finding the right publisher.
Terri
Subj: Mystery/Crime Market
Date: 95-12-13 11:37:51 edt
From: Elfride
Posted on: America Online
I've noticed that several posters to this group have been published. I also have published non-fiction and can't understand my failure to get an agent for a series of crime novels. Is it that there are so few dollars to go around the industry gives contracts and advances only to friends? You have to be scrupulously honest about your talents, and a couple of early rejections I deserved in spades. But most I didn't. Do you absolutely have to have connections in order to see your stuff in print? Is the situation that hopeless?
Subj: Re:Mystery/Crime Market
Date: 95-12-15 01:21:17 edt
From: JoPence
Posted on: America Online
Elfride,
If you'll pardon my jumping in here, I have absolutely no connections. Zero. Zip. To my amazement, I got published. Don't give up! It's not taking "no" for an answer, not connections that'll do it.
Joanne, the optimist
Subj: Spirited discussion
Date: 95-12-27 15:13:21 edt
From: EJ Christy
Posted on: America Online
Lary,
A spirited discussion on the use of flashbacks and other techniques is in progress in the Mystery Writing Techniques folder. I believe your presence has been requested in that folder. Interested? Might get ugly, but then, I think it already has. As one who is only 4 chapters into her first mystery, I'd be interested in what you have to say on the subject (or any related subject)
elizabeth
Subj: Re:Spirited discussion
Date: 95-12-28 14:19:54 edt
From: SuprNanny
Posted on: America Online
Lary, you have been missed. I hope it is because you have been writing your little heart out and have a contract. We miss you.
julie
Subj: Help, please
Date: 96-01-01 11:28:59 edt
From: SINAR45
Posted on: America Online
I'd appreciate some help with a mystery I'm working on. One of my characters must have appeared in a movie or play (anything from contemporary to Shakespeare) in which his character was a hangman. That experience would have given him the opportunity to learn the techniques of the hangman's noose and execution by hanging. If you know of such a play or movie, I'd appreciate the name and author. Please e-mail SINAR45@aol.com. Thanks for your help.
Subj: Re: Mystery Conference
Date: 96-01-01 18:31:39 edt
From: MTWait
Posted on: America Online
Hi, Lary. I'm looking forward to being the first in line to sign up for your advanced class tomorrow.
I have a mystery conference ettiquette question. I'm attending my first one in March, and signed up for an interview with an editor. Having never done this before, I don't know what to say, or ask. I really am in the market for an agent first, but I wanted to get some feedback from an editor as to whether or not my book has merit. Any advice would be appreciated.
Mary
Subj: Re:Spirited discussion
Date: 96-01-06 03:13:41 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
For an in-depth look at what I think about flashbacks....
For extensive information about how to handle flashbacks in your novel, download CREWS ON FLASHBACKS from the TIPS ON NOVEL WRITING library.
Here's how to find the file:
1. Use Keyword "Writers" to take you to the Writer's Club main menu.
2. Double-click on WRITING TIPS
3. Double-click on TIPS ON NOVEL WRITING
4. Double-click on CREWS ON FLASHBACKS
5. Click on Download Now and indicate where you want the file to be
downloaded. (Or you can click on Download Later and do it later.)
6. Once downloaded, the file can be read by any word processor as it was saved in pure "DOS text" or ASCII.
Do NOT attempt to read it using AOL's system software. It is too big.
Feel free to visit me in any one of my four ASK LARY CREWS folders in these areas: MYSTERY FICTION, WRITERS MARKET MESSAGE CENTER, MORE FICTION, FICTION WRITING or CLUB NEWS & UPDATES in the WRITERS CLUB.
-------------------------------------
Do not hesitate to ask me any questions you may have, via E-Mail.
Lary Crews (LaryCrews)
Fiction Consultant
America Online
Subj: Re:Spirited discussion
Date: 96-01-06 03:14:41 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<< Lary, you have been missed. I hope it is because you have been writing your little heart out and have a contract. We miss you. >>>
Have a contract (non-fiction book), have spent the $10,000 advance, and have been busy as the dickens.
Thanks
Lary
Subj: Re: Mystery Conference
Date: 96-01-06 03:16:53 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<I have a mystery conference ettiquette question. I'm attending my first one in March, and signed up for an interview with an editor. Having never done this before, I don't know what to say, or ask. I really am in the market for an agent first, but I wanted to get some feedback from an editor as to whether or not my book has merit. Any advice would be appreciated.
Mary>>
When you meet with them, try to be calm and friendly and give them either a business card or something (small!) with your name and address on it. Talk in generalities about what you want to do with your writing career. Do NOT tell them the story of your novel unless they insist. Tell them basically what it is about if they ask but don't waste your time giving them a verbal synopsis; their eyes will glaze over and you will have wasted your time.
The goal in an appointment is to make a favorable impression, give them the feeling that you are adult, intelligent and not a flake, and convince them to let you SEND them something with a note in the cover letter that you met them at the (so and so) conference. (Chances are very good they will invite you to do so.)
Good luck
Lary
Subj: congrats Lary
Date: 96-01-06 10:39:05 edt
From: Kthirty
Posted on: America Online
keep writing like the dickens!
Kathy
Subj: finding an agent
Date: 96-01-09 14:04:17 edt
From: SammyStarr
Posted on: America Online
hi lary
i've written a novel and now need an agent. i've written a one
page summary of novel. before i send it to an agent, will you read it to see if it's proper. if yes, the next question is how much. if no, then who should i see?
Subj: Re:congrats Lary
Date: 96-01-09 17:49:00 edt
From: SuprNanny
Posted on: America Online
Great Lary!
Julie
Subj: Re: Mystery Conference
Date: 96-01-10 18:39:30 edt
From: MTWait
Posted on: America Online
Thanks for the advice. I'll post the results after the conference.
Mary
Subj: Re:finding an agent
Date: 96-01-12 03:38:59 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<hi lary
i've written a novel and now need an agent. i've written a one page summary of novel. before i send it to an agent, will you read it to see if it's proper. if yes, the next question is how much. if no, then who should i see?>>
You need to write a query letter.
If you don't know how, Email me and ask for "How To Write A Fiction Query."
THEN, I will read it, for free.
Lary
Subj: Re:finding an agent
Date: 96-01-12 14:13:16 edt
From: SammyStarr
Posted on: America Online
Please send me "How to write a fiction query'
thanks much
Subj: Re:Specific question-
Date: 96-01-26 12:41:45 edt
From: Macewa
Posted on: America Online
Question re James M. Cain's writings> distance relative seeking to read all info available re books, short stories, personal writings, etc. Where can I find? Looking for book: Our Government. and periodicals such as Saturday Evening Post, Redbook, etc. with his writings. Also want persona l info and what he might have researching at time of his death. Where do I start? Please email to Macewa @aol.com Many thanks
Subj: Book Length
Date: 96-02-23 22:11:31 edt
From: AnapBadger
Posted on: America Online
I have submitted my novel to an agent who has agreed to represent me. The book is long, 500 pages because it tells the story of two distinct plot lines. She tells me it is too long, in part because of the price of paper. An issue I had not considered. I generally dislike 250 page mystery novellas and think the reader appreciates a big book with substance no matter the length. Is this comercially niave?
Subj: Re:Book Length
Date: 96-02-24 02:25:17 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<I have submitted my novel to an agent who has agreed to represent me. The book is long, 500 pages because it tells the story of two distinct plot lines. She tells me it is too long, in part because of the price of paper. An issue I had not considered. I generally dislike 250 page mystery novellas and think the reader appreciates a big book with substance no matter the length. Is this comercially niave? >>>
I'm afraid so. Since January of 1994, nearly all New York publishers have been limiting first novels to 90,000 words for paper cost concerns.
Sorry.
Lary
Subj: Re:finding an agent
Date: 96-02-24 02:27:40 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<Please send me "How to write a fiction query'
thanks much>>>
I have done so, via Email.
Lary
Subj: Re: You were in radio?
Date: 96-02-24 03:54:53 edt
From: FourMoore4
Posted on: America Online
Ever hear of J Paul Emerson?
Subj: Re: Fiction query
Date: 96-02-24 09:39:10 edt
From: JeHager
Posted on: America Online
Lary, please send me "How to Write a Fiction Query."
Jean
Subj: Re: Fiction query
Date: 96-02-24 11:38:13 edt
From: Kthirty
Posted on: America Online
Me three, please.
I am currently at 49,000 words and everybody knows I've been struggling to add more. How low do you think mystery publishers will go for a novel if they are trying to save paper?
BTW - My Dad is a retired paper company executive and he says high prices are here to stay for awhile but not forever in his opinion. So take heart.
Thank you Lary, Kathy
Subj: Oddball etiquette question
Date: 96-02-29 12:02:41 edt
From: SAKwriter
Posted on: America Online
Lary,
Here's a question out of left field for you: I'm feeling pretty good at the moment about my first book contract. In other circumstances (i.e., my consulting career) when I reached a significant milestone, such as a computer system I designed up & running, I would share my good vibes by sending a (dignified) present to my client. How about something like wine & cheese baskets to my editor and agent? After all, I suppose they're real people, and they probably do eat and drink something occasionally. I don't want to do something unheard of, though. Is this an off-base idea?
Bet you don't get too many questions like this!
Shirley
Subj: Inquiry
Date: 96-03-04 20:29:52 edt
From: DSayre5522
Posted on: America Online
Larry:
I have a mystery-suspense novel under review by an agent. It has been reviewed by several agents, including two who said they liked it, but it didn't fit ``The John Grisham Formula.''
One quickly added that it would be impossible to rewrite it to fit the formula. The implication was ``guess you're screwed.''
Other authors I know who have published have commented on recent rejections based upon the same reason.
If it sells, it sells. I don't blame any agent for that. But for the writers, is it ``Grisham or perish?''
I'd like to read your thoughts on this.
Thanks.
Subj: Re: Fiction Query
Date: 96-03-04 20:32:30 edt
From: DSayre5522
Posted on: America Online
Lary:
I also would like a copy of your ``How to Write a Fiction Query.''
Thanks.
Subj: Re: You were in radio?
Date: 96-03-05 20:48:07 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<Ever hear of J Paul Emerson?>>
No. Sorry.
Lary
Subj: Re: Fiction query
Date: 96-03-05 20:50:28 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<I am currently at 49,000 words and everybody knows I've been struggling to add more. How low do you think mystery publishers will go for a novel if they are trying to save paper?>>>
70,000 words.
Lary
Subj: Re:Oddball etiquette questio
Date: 96-03-05 20:51:20 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<< How about something like wine & cheese baskets to my editor and agent? After all, I suppose they're real people, and they probably do eat and drink something occasionally. I don't want to do something unheard of, though. Is this an off-base idea?>>>
I think it is an excellent idea. I send boxes of oranges to my agent every year.
Lary
Subj: Re:Inquiry
Date: 96-03-05 20:52:02 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<I'd like to read your thoughts on this.>>>
I don't believe it.
Lary
Subj: Beginning Chapters...
Date: 96-03-09 09:02:55 edt
From: CHENELLE 3
Posted on: America Online
The beginning of my novel takes place in late summer. My protaganist has a nightmare that has a winter setting. This nightmare is the foreshadowing of things to come later on in the story. Kind of a symbolic premonition. Do you think it is acceptable to make the entire first chapter his nightmare, not clueing the reader that it is a nightmare until the second chapter? chenelle 3
Subj: Writers's Pen Names.
Date: 96-03-09 09:07:00 edt
From: CHENELLE 3
Posted on: America Online
Is there any sort of legal process or investigating you have to do when you decide to adopt a pen name? If you wrote previously under your own name, is that writing not included on your resume or query to an agent or publisher? chenelle 3
Subj: On accuracies.
Date: 96-03-10 22:53:27 edt
From: CHENELLE 3
Posted on: America Online
Larry...I am an unestablished novelist who is about to submit my first Medical suspense story. I believe the story is powerful, but my expertise in medicine and criminology is limited. How specific and accurate does your novel have to be in details if you feel your storyline is excellent and your characters well played out? I'm shopping for a NYC based agent and wondering how forgiving they are to technicalities. I feel my novel has substantial publishing and film quality and with the write technical advisor, these details can be easily ironed out. Chenelle 3
Subj: Re: word length and soft war
Date: 96-03-14 18:34:40 edt
From: JAZZIE3473
Posted on: America Online
about software, go to file, go down to save as.... (on almost any word processor) window will come up at bottom, it should have a tiny window with type ws, text ect. button next to this will list other ways to save. Save as text(pure text). Mentor joanl1124 told me this and saved total rewrite.
Subj: Re: word length and soft war
Date: 96-03-14 18:37:01 edt
From: JAZZIE3473
Posted on: America Online
I think she has wsworks. So do I and the button on window at bottom of save as... can change whole thing to text
Subj: Re: Fiction Query
Date: 96-03-18 23:27:42 edt
From: PFornatar
Posted on: America Online
I too would like, "How to Write a Fiction Query." Thank you,
PFornatar
Subj: confused
Date: 96-03-19 17:00:47 edt
From: SmallW
Posted on: America Online
I'm interested in the mystery genre but I'm a little confused. Does it include only "detective" stories, or does it also include other types of stories? Does someone always have to be murdered? And how do "suspense" novels fit in? Any clarification you can provide would be most appreciated.
Subj: Re:About this folder
Date: 96-03-19 17:38:15 edt
From: Apeman23
Posted on: America Online
Dear Lary! I have an 80,000 word murder/mystery now finished and have been pestering different agents with it. After a few rejections- Chad Stevens Literary Agency (Granbury, Tx.) has asked me to send the story to the. A couple of short questions related to that:
- have you heard of them and (if so) are they credible?
- anything I should watch for? (assuming they're okay)- all they want is a $35 handling fee & SASE. Any other hints you might think of that I've probably left out?!?
Lary- thanks in advance for your work. I SINCERELY appreciate your help here!
Subj: Re:confused
Date: 96-03-20 02:46:16 edt
From: Lynnwrites
Posted on: America Online
It goes like this: Under mysteries there are Cozies (usually English or little old ladies solving the murder; PI (private investigator--not police); Police Procedural (Police detective); Amateur Sleuth (usually American i.e. Murder She Wrote).
In a mystery, finding the killer is the objective or goal
In a suspense, even if there has already been a murder, PREVENTING a murder and will she or won't she (or he) get killed?
Hope that helps. I write PI mysteries and am working on a new series.
Lynnwrites
Subj: Re:About this folder
Date: 96-03-20 02:50:46 edt
From: Lynnwrites
Posted on: America Online
I would never, never pay any agent in advance. I have the product he needs or he has nothing to sell. Can't you see a peddler of any kind paying someone to "maybe" try to sell a product.
No reputable agent will charge a reading, handling, photocopying or postage and phone fee. If your work has been line-edited, I suggest you attend a conference and meet an agent or editor in your field. It is the best way to get a favorable read.
I have a mystery out in hardback that is due out in paperback April 1. I met my editor at a conference. I met my agent at a conference. They have both worked hard for me.
Good luck,
Lynnwrites
Subj: Re:About this folder
Date: 96-03-21 17:59:08 edt
From: Apeman23
Posted on: America Online
Dear Lynnwrites!
Appreciate your reply! After receiving the acceptance I was excited (had 3-4 rejections over the last week...), but curious about the handling fee. This company is upfront about the charge (they
tell prospects about it in the Guide to Literary agents). However I'll take it slow with them & try and track down any conferences in my area; I like the idea of meeting different agents one on one anyway! Thanks again!
(what's the name of your paperback due out? I'll pick one up!)
Subj: Re:Beginning Chapters...
Date: 96-03-21 18:06:50 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<< The beginning of my novel takes place in late summer. My protaganist has a nightmare that has a winter setting. This nightmare is the foreshadowing of things to come later on in the story. Kind of a symbolic premonition. Do you think it is acceptable to make the entire first chapter his nightmare, not clueing the reader that it is a nightmare until the second chapter? chenelle 3>>>
It is a mistake to begin a book with a dream or nightmare. Why? Because the reader has not been grounded in reality yet and has not met the protagonist yet. They have no way to keep score about what is happening. To do what you advocate is a big mistake, in my opinion.
Lary
Subj: Re:Writers's Pen Names.
Date: 96-03-21 18:12:44 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<< Is there any sort of legal process or investigating you have to do when you decide to adopt a pen name? If you wrote previously under your own name, is that writing not included on your resume or query to an agent or publisher? chenelle 3 >>>
You include anything you have written under any name.
There is no legal process to using a pen name except that you must tell the agent and editor to whom to make the check payable. <smile>
Whether or not you should use a pseudonym (pen name) depends mostly on what you are writing and what your long-term goals are. There are several reasons to write under a pen name. Pen names provide anonymity, which might be a good thing if you are writing about a controversial topic. Another reason to use a pseudonym can be purely aesthetic. Perhaps your name is difficult to spell or pronounce. Or maybe it's TOO normal, like John Smith, or too well-known, like Jackie Collins or Steven King. Or perhaps your name simply doesn't fit the style of what you are writing. Passion in the Elms written by Dave Morrow may not sell well, and the same could be true of Matt Dexter and the Devil's Brigade written by Jennifer Chantal. (Male romance writers almost always choose female pseudonyms or have them chosen for them by the publisher.)
An author who writes in more than one category might use a different pen name for each one; I.E. writing mysteries under Lary Crews but writing romance novels under Jennifer Silverman, literature under Harry Crews, and westerns as Frank Roderus. This allows you to build a different "name" in each category and build a following in each category without disappointing readers who buy a Frank Roderus book expecting a western only to find it's a mystery.
Some publishers, mostly in the romance field, REQUIRE authors to write under pseudonyms, which the publisher owns. This allows the publisher to profit from the name long after the author has moved on to be replaced by another author. (At least a hundred people have written the books credited to Nick Carter and Carolyn Keene not one of which was named Nick Carter or Carolyn Keene.)
Also, some authors who dream of scoring with literary fiction tomorrow write commercial potboilers today to pay the bills. They fear that "fluff" credits might hurt their chances to be taken seriously later on so they use pseudonyms now in order to protect their own names for future literary fiction.
In general, beginners don't need a pen name unless they're ashamed of being writers or wanted by the police <G>.
However, if you DO decide to use a pen name, inform the agent and the editor from the start. Checks will be made out to your real name or to your pen name; simply ask the editor to inform the accounting department which you'll be using. It's that simple.
Here's what Michael Seidman, one of the best editors in the business, has to say on this:
"Pseudonyms allow you to write in different categories (remember, even Stephen King used one when he was trying more straightforward mysteries) or different styles. Donald E. Westlake is known for his humor and wit; he's done other series, darker and more menacing, as Richard Stark and Tucker Coe. In those instances, it keeps the more general fan from being disappointed; we go to a "Westlake" expecting a certain kind of book."
"You might also use a pseudonym to avoid an option conflict. Your publisher may have the rights to the next book you right under your own name; penning a book as someone else gives you the opportunity to sell to someone else. It also helps avoid reader burnout: if readers see too many books under your byline there is going to be a perception--deserved or not--that you're doing too much and that the books aren't getting enough attention from you. The names you choose to write under won't remain secret for long, especially if you work within a category, but booksellers and readers won't, at first, feel the deluge."
Hope that helps
Lary
Subj: Re: On accuracies.
Date: 96-03-21 18:15:02 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<Lary...I am an unestablished novelist who is about to submit my first Medical suspense story. I believe the story is powerful, but my expertise in medicine and criminology is limited. How specific and accurate does your novel have to be in details if you feel your storyline is excellent and your characters well played out? I'm shopping for a NYC based agent and wondering how forgiving they are to technicalities. I feel my novel has substantial publishing and film quality and with the right technical advisor, these details can be easily ironed out. Chenelle 3>>>
But not if the book does not sell in the first place which is what will happen if you play fast and loose with the facts. Verisimilitude is a $50 word meaning "the appearance of being true or real." In other words, getting facts straight so other things appear to be true. Many first novelists fail to realize that you've GOT TO get the facts straight in fiction if you expect the reader to believe your lies.
I'm sure we can all think of factual errors in books we've read or - especially - in films.
Like the damned hit man who screws a silencer onto a revolver. The gases [hence the noises] escape thru the cylinder, not the barrel.
Stephen King, in Cycle of the Werewolf, drops the furry fiend with a .45 Magnum. Ain't no such gun.
I'm still irritated that Gerald Browne in the otherwise good book STONE 588 referred to eating Jiffy peanut butter. There's Jif. There's Skippy. But there is no such thing as Jiffy Peanut Butter.
If you have a character walking south on 61st Street in Manhattan, where all numbered streets run east and west, you can be sure someone will let you know.
When we authors make a mistake in research, when our facts aren't correct, our readers may lose their willing suspension of disbelief and never get it back. They may stop reading. They say, "If he can't get the damned gun right, how do I know anything else is true?"
The relationship between a reader and a writer is one of trust. Readers TRUST you to help them suspend their natural disbelief so they can enjoy your book. They WANT to enjoy your book. They WANT to believe you.
However, anything you do to remind them that this story is really not true will jolt them back to reality and it can be enough to make them stop reading.
Even if you aren't too concerned about READERS yet, think of this: Anything that stops a reader in her tracks because it does not ring true is even more likely to stop an EDITOR in his or her tracks when deciding if you should be published. For that reason alone, it is important to
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT IN FICTION.
Get your facts straight when you write fiction. Readers expect it. No matter how arcane or narrow the subject about which you're writing, there's going to be someone, somewhere, who knows all about the subject.
In fact the most important thing you can take from this chapter is this: IT'S NOT WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT HURTS YOU... IT'S WHAT YOU *THINK* YOU KNOW. Because you think you know it, you don't bother to check it out.
Lary
Subj: Re:confused
Date: 96-03-21 18:19:31 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<I'm interested in the mystery genre but I'm a little confused. Does it include only "detective" stories, or does it also include other types of stories? Does someone always have to be murdered? And how do "suspense" novels fit in? Any clarification you can provide would be most appreciated.>>>
At last count there are about 30 sub-categories of the mystery genre.
Among them are: Hard-boiled detective, British detective, Courtroom, Techno-thriller, Women-In-Danger (aka FemJep), Romantic thriller, Gothic mystery, Suspense, Espionage, Occult Mystery, Psychological Thriller, "Cozy", Medical Thriller, etc.
Lary
Subj: Re:About this folder
Date: 96-03-21 18:24:09 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<Any other hints you might think of that I've probably left out?!?>>>
For extensive information about getting an agent, download CREWS ON AGENTS
from the ASK LARY CREWS library.
Here's how to find the file:
1. Use Keyword "Writers" to take you to the Writer's Club main menu.
2. Scroll down to the "Business of Writing."
3. Double-click on The "Business of Writing."
4. Double-click on Ask Lary Crews
5. Double-click on Lary Crews on Agents
6. Click on Download Now and indicate where you want the file to be
downloaded. (Or you can click on Download Later and do it later.)
7. Once downloaded, the file can be read by any word processor as it was
saved in pure "DOS text" or ASCII. Do NOT attempt to read it using AOL's
system software. It is too big.
Feel free to visit me in any one of my four ASK LARY CREWS folders in these
areas: WRITERS MARKET MESSAGE CENTER, MORE FICTION, FICTION WRITING or
CLUBS NEWS & UPDATES in the WRITERS CLUB.
-------------------------------------
Do not hesitate to ask me any questions you may have, via E-Mail.
Lary Crews (LaryCrews)
Fiction Consultant
America Online
Subj: Re:confused
Date: 96-03-23 16:58:25 edt
From: MKC TX
Posted on: America Online
Wow, thanks. I thought i was writing a historical *mystery* that takes place among tinker-gypsies in late 19thC Scotland. it turns out I'm writing a historical *suspense* novel that takes place among tinker-gypsies in late 19thC Scotland.
Does that make it any more commercial? ;-)
Subj: Re:confused
Date: 96-03-30 03:11:01 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<Does that make it any more commercial? ;-)>>>
Since the historical market is down for all but romances at the moment, I guess not. <smile>
Lary
Subj: Computer Assisted Jump Start
Date: 96-03-30 09:37:42 edt
From: DukeU3X
Posted on: America Online
Is there a commercial program that helps a very neophyte writer generate characters, plots, settings, scenes, or any of the above?
There must be, but I cannot find one.
Thanks. dukeU3X@aol.com
Subj: Dramatica
Date: 96-03-30 15:49:01 edt
From: Kmloop
Posted on: America Online
Are you familiar with the "Dramatica.Pro" software for writers? It's billed as "The Ultimate Writing Partner." It's also rather expensive. The brochure I received (unsolicited) makes it sound wonderful, but is it just a gimmick for those of us who enjoy using computers?
Thanks,
KMLoop
Subj: Re:Computer Assisted Jump St
Date: 96-04-08 17:26:55 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<< Is there a commercial program that helps a very neophyte writer generate characters, plots, settings, scenes, or any of the above? There must be, but I cannot find one. >>>
The best I have found is Collaborator 3.
Lary
Subj: Re:Dramatica
Date: 96-04-08 17:30:21 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<Are you familiar with the "Dramatica.Pro" software for writers? It's billed as "The Ultimate Writing Partner." It's also rather expensive. The brochure I received (unsolicited) makes it sound wonderful, but is it just a gimmick for those of us who enjoy using computers? >>>
I Emailed my response to you.
Lary
Subj: Re:Dramatica
Date: 96-04-09 10:54:17 edt
From: FGSnyder
Posted on: America Online
Lary --
Robert Cherin mentioned Collaborator 3 as well. Any idea how to get it? Thanks.
-- Frank
Subj: Re:About this folder
Date: 96-04-14 01:31:52 edt
From: LPhipps42
Posted on: America Online
Lary
I have a couple of questions concerning something that I have in a new novel that I am currently trying to find a publisher for. I don't want to sent them the rest of the manu. until I find out about this.
It may sound kinda dumb, but I'm new to the business and don't know where to find out this.
First, I have mentioned the Late Jerry Garcia in my book and have him involved in a brief fictional situation where he is taking drugs with one of my characters. The character is an underground drug chemist from the 60s and is a "Dead Head".. Is this a problem since he was a well know druggie and it is after all fiction???
The other question is the use of some lyrics from an old movie (Late 50's) Will I have a problem with having to pay soneone to use the lyrics?? they are critical to a part of the plot.
I would appreciate an answer. I know that you can sometimes use real people but state at the first that they are used in a fictional manner. will this get me off the hook?
And who about copywrite infringement using lyrics from the theme song of an old movie??
Thanks
Larry (that's my name--- with two r's)
LPhipps42
Subj: Re:About this folder
Date: 96-04-15 10:31:09 edt
From: FGSnyder
Posted on: America Online
Larry --
I know Lary will respond, but I'll give you my two cents. (1) You can use the late Jerry Garcia as a minor character in your fiction, since the general rule is you can't libel the dead and you can't invade their privacy. This doesn't mean you won't get a nasty letter from the estate, though. (2) If the movie was from the Fifties the lyrics are almost certainly still in copyright and you'll have to get a license to use them, even if you're only quoting a few words. (You can quote the title without any difficulty, though.) Getting permission can be difficult and expensive. I expect that the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers (ASCAP) in New York can fill you in on the procedure you'd have to go through.
-- Frank
Subj: Re:Writing The Novel Course
Date: 96-04-16 11:08:47 edt
From: Beckett119
Posted on: America Online
I've registered for the course. When will the first materials be available? I tried to enter the WTN via the classroom's site, but was given the message that only registered students can enter. Does it open before the course with information?
Thanks. Looking forward to the course.
Subj: Re: Collaborator 3
Date: 96-04-19 18:16:39 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<Robert Cherin mentioned Collaborator 3 as well. Any idea how to get it? Thanks.>>
The program is available for IBM, IBM compatibles, and Macintosh computers. Installation is easy.
If you're serious about writing novels, you need Collaborator 3.
-------------------------------
Here's an unsolicited testimonial:
Subj: Collaborator
Date: 94-11-25 17:16:02 EST
From: Phyll10837
To: WTNTeacher
I bought Collaborator last month, after reading the review you uploaded. I wanted to tell you I love it. It's worth every penny. I have a few unfinished manuscripts that I got 3 or 4 chapters into before I figured out I really didn't have a story. The program practically forces me to have a sound story, before I start writing. Thanks again!
Phyllis
VERSION 3 NOW AVAILABLE
Version 3 of Collaborator runs under Windows, addresses extended memory and and creates its own Windows folder and loads an icon. But it is not a Windows program. (BTW, it runs under Windows 95 very well.) Collaborator Systems is in the process of upgrading the MAC version and finishing the Windows version. They expect to have the Windows 95 version ready to ship in later this year.
Collaborator is professional tool for a niche market, but Collaborator Systems has cut the price from $329 (original list).
For people who mention my name, Collaborator 3 is available for only $99.95 plus $9.95 shipping.
{{BE SURE to TELL them that Lary Crews sent you.}}
Collaborator 3 has additional features such as a Plot Pad, character and plot banks for working with a series, a calendar, a conflict arena, and separate areas for screenplays and novels. They also offer 500K of online help with the new version.}
If you are upgrading from Collaborator 2, any information you wrote and saved in Collaborator 2 will be automatically brought into Collaborator 3 when you load it.
Simply call their toll-free number (1-800-405-8344) and tell them that Lary Crews sent you
NEW ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBERS
Collaborator Systems
4348 Van Nuys Blvd
Suite 208
Sherman Oaks, CA 91403
Phone: 800/405-8344, 818/907-9222
Fax: 818/907-5890
Subj: Answers for Larry with 2 Rs
Date: 96-04-19 18:21:31 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<I have a couple of questions concerning something that I have in a new novel that I am currently trying to find a publisher for. I don't want to sent them the rest of the manu. until I find out about this.>>>
You shouldn't be sending it to a publisher anyhow. They don't read unsolicited manuscripts anymore. You should be trying to find an agent.
For extensive information about getting an agent, download CREWS ON AGENTS
from the ASK LARY CREWS library.
Here's how to find the file:
1. Use Keyword "Writers" to take you to the Writer's Club main menu.
2. Scroll down to the "Business of Writing."
3. Double-click on The "Business of Writing."
4. Double-click on Ask Lary Crews
5. Double-click on Lary Crews on Agents
6. Click on Download Now and indicate where you want the file to be
downloaded. (Or you can click on Download Later and do it later.)
7. Once downloaded, the file can be read by any word processor as it was
saved in pure "DOS text" or ASCII. Do NOT attempt to read it using AOL's
system software. It is too big.
<<< First, I have mentioned the Late Jerry Garcia in my book and have him involved in a brief fictional situation where he is taking drugs with one of my characters. The character is an underground drug chemist from the 60s and is a "Dead Head".. Is this a problem since he was a well know druggie and it is after all fiction??? >>>
It IS a problem. His estate could sue you.
<<< The other question is the use of some lyrics from an old movie (Late 50's) Will I have a problem with having to pay soneone to use the lyrics?? they are critical to a part of the plot. >>>
Will you have a problem? I don't know what your resources are but I found that it would cost me $5,000 to quote one line from George Michael's Father Figure in my book of the same name.
It depends on how much money you have.
The publisher of the lyrics will tell you how much.
<<< I would appreciate an answer. I know that you can sometimes use real people but state at the first that they are used in a fictional manner. will this get me off the hook? >>>
Not when you use the real people to do something illegal.
<<< And who about copywrite infringement using lyrics from the theme song of an old movie?? >>>
You must get approval from the publisher of the lyrics.
Lary
Subj: Re:Writing The Novel Course
Date: 96-04-19 18:24:35 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<< I've registered for the course. When will the first materials be available? I tried to enter the WTN via the classroom's site, but was given the message that only registered students can enter. Does it open before the course with information? >>>
If you had followed instructions and sent me an Email note to WTNTeacher telling me that you had registered, you would have gotten information. The first materials will not be available until the class begins, which is May 1st. Since you did not communicate with me as requested, I was not able to let you know.
However, now that I have stumbled upon your note, all is well. <smile>
You will get your first Welcome Note next week.
Lary
Subj: Re: 2-R Larry's Query
Date: 96-04-19 21:11:33 edt
From: EQ451
Posted on: America Online
Larry (with two r's):
PMFJI --
While it's true that many of the biggest publishers will no
longer consider unsolicited manuscripts and will look at
agented material only, it's definitely not true (as Lary
with one "r" told you) that "They don't read unsolicited
manuscripts anymore" -- especially in the mystery field. (I
assume your novel is a mystery since you posted your message
on the Mystery Fiction board). I would suggest that you
check the back issues of the The Writer magazine in your
local library. Every July, this outstanding and very
reliable magazine publishes a market list of book publishers
and their requirements. I've just checked through my own
copy of last July's market listing, and there are many
publishers who, according to the list, will accept queries
and submissions of three chapters of a novel. I'd venture
to say that this July's listing, which will be out in a
couple of months, will not see any significant decrease in
the number of publishers who will look at unsolicited
material.
OTOH, Lary's advice to get an agent is right on the mark.
However, a word of caution. A bad agent is worse than no
agent at all. Query a number of them (definitely *not* any
fee agents) and use your common sense in evaluating those
that respond favorably and ask to see your work. Easier
said then done, I know, but the literary life if far from
easy, as most of us have found out.
However, if you want to query publishers on your own, by all
means have a go at it. If your work is good enough to have
a reputable publisher (obviously, *not* a vanity or subsidy
outfit) ask to see the full manuscript, this may be all the
entry you need to get a good agent to take you on.
Thanks for listening. Hope this may be of some help to you.
Best wishes -- Dan
Subj: Re: Collaborator 3
Date: 96-04-20 14:42:30 edt
From: DukeU3X
Posted on: America Online
Lary,
I purchased Collaborator 3 and enjoy working with it. Thanks for the recommendation.
Now, suggestions on a grammar checker compatible with MS Works?
Subj: Re: GrammaticMac
Date: 96-04-20 15:37:28 edt
From: MKC TX
Posted on: America Online
I'm eager to hear lary's suggestions. FWIW, I've been very happy with my *old* GrammaticMac - there's probably an even better update, if i kept up with those things.
Subj: Fla. West Coast
Date: 96-04-22 21:43:00 edt
From: JWILLARD96
Posted on: America Online
Lary, I was interested to learn that you have written mystery fiction with the Tampa Bay area as a locale. I am working on a mystery novel that takes place during 1960 with entanglements going back to prohibition days. The detective lives in St. Pete and most of the action takes place in the upper Tampa Bay and Tarpon Springs area.
Do you think there is a resistance by editors/publishers to Florida P.I.'s, and if so, will the 1960 setting help or hinder? The timing is critical to the plot and the personnel development.
JWillard
Subj: Re: 2-R Larry's Query
Date: 96-04-28 00:56:23 edt
From: LPhipps42
Posted on: America Online
Thanks for the input Dan. I do respect and appreciate everyone's encouragement and information.
I am still trekking down to the old postoffice with more submissions to be sent via snail mail to the latest victum ( i should say prospective buyer ) of my novel. I have been trying to narrow down the list of possible agents, and that chore is easier by not sending anything to the ones that are very interested in my novel and think it shows real promise..... just send us your ms with the required reading fee. Right!!!!
I have gotten two of my submissions back and found that two of the publishers that I submitted to were really subsidiarys of Simon & Schuster who don't take unagented submissions but I still have three or four subs out there with some hope. I also got a nice personal rejection from Molly Friedrich ( I think that's her right last name) don't have my file handy. She's rumored to be the superagents in NY right now. Anyway she said that she found the synopsis fascinating but was unfortunately flooded with fiction for her small list. Said she thought it had merit and to keep searching for the right agent to represent me. I'm tying to stay (Up and hopeful) in the face of allmost constant rejection. I guess that's part of the writing game.
Anyway thanks to all out there who encourage all us beginning and hopeful writers.
LPhipps42
Subj: Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-06 17:00:04 edt
From: JWillard44
Posted on: America Online
Since Lary Crews hasn't responded in nearly a month, I will attempt to give reasonable answers in his place.
1. Yes.
2. Yes!
3. No, not really.
4. That depents.
Subj: Re: Collaborator 3
Date: 96-05-08 08:34:31 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<Lary,
I purchased Collaborator 3 and enjoy working with it. Thanks for the recommendation.
Now, suggestions on a grammar checker compatible with MS Works?>>>
I have tried seven different grammar checkers and have never found one better than the regular old-fashioned BOOK, called Pinckert's Practical Grammar by Robert C. Princkert.
Writer's Digest Books.
Lary
PS: If I HAD to choose a computer grammarian, it would be RightWriter.
Subj: Re:Fla. West Coast
Date: 96-05-08 08:36:54 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<Lary, I was interested to learn that you have written mystery fiction with the Tampa Bay area as a locale. I am working on a mystery novel that takes place during 1960 with entanglements going back to prohibition days. The detective lives in St. Pete and most of the action takes place in the upper Tampa Bay and Tarpon Springs area.
Do you think there is a resistance by editors/publishers to Florida P.I.'s, and if so, will the 1960 setting help or hinder? The timing is critical to the plot and the personnel development.
JWillard>>>
Sadly, at the moment, there is resistance to Florida P.I.s In the days since I did it, dozens of them have shown up. My agent tried to sell my Florida PI series starring Frank Tasker and half of the turndowns we got said, "Too many Florida private eyes..."
However, the 1960s setting is probably more of a hinderance.
Which is why you see so few mysteries set in the Sixties.
However, I would LOVE to be proven wrong by your success.
Lary
Subj: Re:Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-08 08:41:33 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
Since Lary Crews hasn't responded in nearly a month, I will attempt to give reasonable answers in his place.
I must apologize for my absence. Two things conspired to keep me off the public folders:
1> I taught at TWO week-long writers conferences in one month, both involving lots of prep time and reading of work by my students.
2> Something wonderful (but unsettling) happened at 9am on May 1st that changed my life but did play havoc with my AOL job.
(A little background:) For the last five years, I have worked midnight to six as a mere announcer on what used to be an FM (good music) AM (news-talk) combo station.
Last year, the FM was purchased and moved to a bigger city nearby, leaving me (and six other guys) to work on the little AM talk station that no one cared about.
The station was sold, and the new owner took over on Tuesday, May 1st, at one minute past midnight. (I had just gotten back from teaching for a week at a writer's conference.)
The first thing he did was fire four of the seven announcers and promote the three remaining guys.
Thank God, I made the cut and I was promoted to program director beginning IMMEDIATELY. (The owner said my talents had been wasted; I've been in the biz since 1964 and was also creative director of an ad agency.)
So, instead of working midnight to 6, six days a week, sleeping 7am to 1pm, working in my office cruising these folders from 2-7pm, and spending evenings with my wife, I am living like a REAL human. <G>
I began on May 1st working 10:30am to 7pm (including a shared noon news broadcast and my own talk show), spending evenings with my wife, sleeping from midnight to six, and doing my Email in the morning before driving my wife to work.
I will also be working a five-day week for the first time in 17 years.
I promise things will settle down soon.
The good news, besides the fact that I am employed and promoted, is that the new owner marched right out and bought me a 120 mhz Pentium with 16mgs of ram and a 1.6 gig hard drive, to do my program directing and writing of commercials and such. As soon as we get the modem line installed, I can check Email from the station, too.
So, to make a long story short (a little late for that, I guess. <G>) my life has changed RADICALLY in a very short time and that caused my absence from these folders.
I beg your forgiveness and understanding.
Lary
Subj: Re:Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-08 11:52:59 edt
From: Cyndale
Posted on: America Online
Congratulations Lary!!!!!
Subj: Re: MWA, etc. queries
Date: 96-05-08 15:59:21 edt
From: Saralong01
Posted on: America Online
I am a reader of mysteries and would like to know more about the profession. I am NOT a writer. What are the groups you mentioned in your message, such as MWA and PMW etc. How can I get more info? Is there a listing of Mystery Bookstores in the USA? My background is proofreading in private industry, management in corporate publishing, govt. publishing, and I've written some non fiction articles. I am not a mystery writer, but I would like to know more about how mysteries are planned and published. I saw references to writer/author conferences. Is there a source I could tap to learn more about them, too. Thanks. Sara P. Long
Subj: Re:Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-08 19:15:36 edt
From: RAINDEAD
Posted on: America Online
Congratulations Lary. Dreams do come true!
Phyllis
Subj: Re: Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-08 21:13:15 edt
From: JWillard44
Posted on: America Online
Hope nobody took my little joke as a complaint. My limited contact with LC has always been pleasant and he sounds like a nice guy. Congratulations on the promotion, but I bet what you would like better would be a best seller on the NY times fiction list!
Subj: Re:Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-08 23:41:16 edt
From: Kthirty
Posted on: America Online
Congrats on returning to human form!
Kathy
Subj: Re:Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-09 00:15:35 edt
From: Yarnspinnr
Posted on: America Online
Lary-- congrats. I'll repeat a question I asked earlier and didn't get a reply. I've penned a mystery and had it read w/ no fee by Chris Crane at Authors Alliance. He made good suggestions for revisions, which I've done, and indicated he'd be interested in trying to place the novel as soon as revisions are completed. But I can't find him listed and don't know anything about him. What can you tell me.?
Subj: Re:Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-09 10:12:53 edt
From: FGSnyder
Posted on: America Online
Congratulations, Larry. Call letters, frequency, and location, plesae, in case we're passing by. Thanks.
-- Frank
Subj: Re:Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-09 10:31:37 edt
From: SAKwriter
Posted on: America Online
Lary,
So you've retired from The Night of the Living Dead.
Congratulations on your promotion.
Shirley
Subj: Re:Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-09 12:07:22 edt
From: SuprNanny
Posted on: America Online
Congratualtions Lary: Well deserved!
julie
Subj: Re:Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-10 18:41:38 edt
From: RuningDear
Posted on: America Online
Lary,
Applause all around!!!! <G>
Sherrie
Subj: Re:Lary's Promotion
Date: 96-05-11 12:00:58 edt
From: Hutchy
Posted on: America Online
Congratulations! We knew you were good! Hutchy
Subj: question
Date: 96-05-11 12:35:41 edt
From: Kthirty
Posted on: America Online
Hi Lary,
I have looked everywhere for an answer to this question and can't find it.
I have two agents who have requested 3 chapters and a synopsis. Their letters arrived the same day. I sent out the requested stuff. If we progress beyond the looking stage how much do I let the other agent know about what is going on. Say they both request the manuscript. I'm thinking more along the lines of professionalism as compared to bargaining.
Thank you, Kathy
Subj: Lawrence Sanders: A Fan
Date: 96-05-12 21:44:10 edt
From: SOFAST4U
Posted on: America Online
I've always wanted to write to him to tell him How much I enjoy his books. How can I do this
via this site? Thanks. SOFAST4U
Subj: Hi Lary
Date: 96-05-14 08:57:03 edt
From: MLBaustin
Posted on: America Online
Hi Lary,
Was just browsing through here and saw your "column." This is great!
I just got through bragging about you in the First Time Mystery Writers "column."
Mary
Subj: Re:About this folder
Date: 96-05-16 01:37:18 edt
From: PHenry1000
Posted on: America Online
Dear Larry,
I am in a rather unique situation that is difficult to explain:
I am writing a "Ficticious novel, based on fact," that is about a novelist writing a novel...
Actually, the hard-cored truth is that I was an understudy to the late Mr. Colby in 1977, and he back then ordered me to be one of his "Legions of spys" (Have you read the republished PLAYBOY interview with him?) And to, in a timely fashion, resurface, and write all about it. Naturally, I get all the attentions of the Federal Government, but no break-through into the public press. My first version was amateurish, I am certain, and publishers rejected the work.
But I have the mission of revealing to the American People some very disturbing news: So, even as I re-write my "Novel," I search out help and advise. I have downloaded some of the "How to" files on this forum, and they are very helpful. What I would like to zoom in on is some particular agent that would help this process along.
It is almost an unabashed bibliography - It has to be - To expose what the government can do to individuals and their Rights, if such individuals as Police State Clinton get their way. I was a spy-made-to-order, if you will, not unlike the (KGB) "Sleeper Agents" that shoot up our schoolyards, Post Offices, and the like. "Mind Control," medically invasive behavioral control condtitioning, and the use of modern memory-retentive and euphoric drugs are but a glimpse of the tip of the iceberg in being a "Psy-spy" whose ultimate mission is to affect political policy and leglislation in Congress.
Further, I spent fourteen years in Hawaii, a haven of espionage, murder (For real) and the ultimate in Social Spending and Foreign Espionage Influence Corruption.
While I direly fear ever having to be forced back there in subpeona, there are things that must be reported as a moral duty.
I endured imprisionment and even "Psychological Evaluation" (Torture, to me) in my search to keep from the people who "Had no need to know," and yet to get what I have to let out to the Amercan Public. This is, of course, the most humiliating admission I could make.
Not only was I the "Understudy" to Mr. Colby as a "Grey Man" trainee, Mr. George Bush, himself, often was at the site in Europe, and also gave to me detailed information that must be presented: For example, he told me in 1977 that he would hold only one Presidential term, if and when elected, as he'd been "Tapped on the shoulder." (Yes... Mr. Clinton was LET IN...)
I seek to find the best way to "Get it all out there..." And, why not? Make money, too?
With all that in mind (What a load!) then, pray E-mail your gentle advise, sir...
RIck Hyatt
Subj: Re: MWA, etc. queries
Date: 96-05-17 06:17:28 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<< I am a reader of mysteries and would like to know more about the profession. I am NOT a writer. What are the groups you mentioned in your message, such as MWA and PMW etc. How can I get more info? >>>
MWA permits members who are not writers.
To get the application to join MWA, Write:
Priscilla Ridgway
Executive Director
Mystery Writers of America
17 East 47th Street, 6th Floor
NYC, NY 10017
Or call her at 212-888-8171 and ask for an application.
Or FAX her at 212-888-8107
Dues are $65 a year.
<< Is there a listing of Mystery Bookstores in the USA? >>>
Ask MWA for such a list.
<<< My background is proofreading in private industry, management in corporate publishing, govt. publishing, and I've written some non fiction articles. I am not a mystery writer, but I would like to know more about how mysteries are planned and published.>>>
GUIDE TO MYSTERIES & MYSTERY WRITING Hillary Waugh
Writer's Digest Books ISBN #0-89879-444-7 hb $19.95
This is good but it is not about how to write mysteries. It's really an historical overview of the mystery novel, of interest both to readers and writers.
THE MYSTERY WRITER'S MARKET PLACE AND SOURCEBOOK, edited by Donna Collingwood Writer's Digest Books ISBN #0-89879-612-1
It's $17.95 in hardback and it also contains a complete Writers Market for mystery book publishers and short story publishers, list of agents who handle mysteries, glossary, lists of mystery magazines, groups, and a whole lot more. It's well worth the money.
<<< I saw references to writer/author conferences. Is there a source I could tap to learn more about them, too. Thanks. Sara P. Long>>>
For the May 1996 back issue of Writer's Digest containing information on more than 400 writers conferences through out the nation, send a check or money order for $3.50 made payable to Writer's Digest to:
Writer's Digest Back Issues
1507 Dana Avenue
Cincinnati OH 45207
Ask for May 1996
Or call 1-513-531-2222 for more information.
Be sure to tell them (or write it on your check) that you were sent to them by Lary Crews on America Online.
Lary
Subj: Re:Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-17 06:19:14 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<<Lary-- congrats. I'll repeat a question I asked earlier and didn't get a reply. I've penned a mystery and had it read w/ no fee by Chris Crane at Authors Alliance. He made good suggestions for revisions, which I've done, and indicated he'd be interested in trying to place the novel as soon as revisions are completed. But I can't find him listed and don't know anything about him. What can you tell me.?>>>
I have nothing on him either. Depending on how massive the requested changes are, I would consider making them and going with him. If he asks for money up front, back off.
Just my advice.
Lary
Subj: Re:Answers to questions
Date: 96-05-17 06:21:05 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
< Congratulations, Lary. Call letters, frequency, and location, please, in case we're passing by. Thanks.>
WBRD TalkRadio 1420 (On the AM dial.)
Bradenton FL (Near Sarasota, south of St. Petersburg/Tampa)
Also: Send Email to: WBRD Radio@aoal.com
Thanks for asking.
Lary
Subj: Re:question
Date: 96-05-17 06:24:14 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<< I have looked everywhere for an answer to this question and can't find it.
I have two agents who have requested 3 chapters and a synopsis. Their letters arrived the same day. I sent out the requested stuff. If we progress beyond the looking stage how much do I let the other agent know about what is going on. Say they both request the manuscript. I'm thinking more along the lines of professionalism as compared to bargaining.
Thank you, Kathy >>>
If they BOTH request the manuscript but DO NOT specifically request an exclusive look, send it to both of them.
If they BOTH requet the manuscript and ONE asks for an exclusive look, either:
1. Send it to her if her request came first and CALL the other one to explain.
2. Call HER if her request came second, and tell her that the other agent has it and she can have it as soon as that one passes.
Agents are businesspeople. Treat them honestly and fairly.
Lary
Subj: Re: Lawrence Sanders: A Fan
Date: 96-05-17 06:25:02 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<< I've always wanted to write to him to tell him How much I enjoy his books. How can I do this
via this site? Thanks. SOFAST4U >>>
Larry is not online.
But, you can send a snail mail letter to his publisher.
Lary
Subj: Re:Hi Lary
Date: 96-05-17 06:27:09 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<< Hi Lary,
Was just browsing through here and saw your "column." This is great!
I just got through bragging about you in the First Time Mystery Writers "column."
Mary>>>
Thanks, Mary. I've been holding forth in my Ask Lary Crews folders since 1990.
I finally had to ask AOL to cut back the number of ALC folders from five to two last week.
Life gets in the way, you know?
::Pointing to Mary:: "She's one of my best students, gang," Lary said.
Subj: Re:About this folder
Date: 96-05-17 06:30:10 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
Dear Lary,
I am in a rather unique situation that is difficult to explain:
I am writing a "Ficticious novel, based on fact," that is about a novelist writing a novel...
Actually, the hard-cored truth is that I was an understudy to the late Mr. Colby in 1977, and he back then ordered me to be one of his "Legions of spys" (Have you read the republished PLAYBOY interview with him?) And to, in a timely fashion, resurface, and write all about it. Naturally, I get all the attentions of the Federal Government, but no break-through into the public press. My first version was amateurish, I am certain, and publishers rejected the work.
But I have the mission of revealing to the American People some very disturbing news: So, even as I re-write my "Novel," I search out help and advise. I have downloaded some of the "How to" files on this forum, and they are very helpful. What I would like to zoom in on is some particular agent that would help this process along.
It is almost an unabashed bibliography - It has to be - To expose what the government can do to individuals and their Rights, if such individuals as Police State Clinton get their way. I was a spy-made-to-order, if you will, not unlike the (KGB) "Sleeper Agents" that shoot up our schoolyards, Post Offices, and the like. "Mind Control," medically invasive behavioral control condtitioning, and the use of modern memory-retentive and euphoric drugs are but a glimpse of the tip of the iceberg in being a "Psy-spy" whose ultimate mission is to affect political policy and leglislation in Congress.
Further, I spent fourteen years in Hawaii, a haven of espionage, murder (For real) and the ultimate in Social Spending and Foreign Espionage Influence Corruption.
While I direly fear ever having to be forced back there in subpeona, there are things that must be reported as a moral duty.
I endured imprisionment and even "Psychological Evaluation" (Torture, to me) in my search to keep from the people who "Had no need to know," and yet to get what I have to let out to the Amercan Public. This is, of course, the most humiliating admission I could make.
Not only was I the "Understudy" to Mr. Colby as a "Grey Man" trainee, Mr. George Bush, himself, often was at the site in Europe, and also gave to me detailed information that must be presented: For example, he told me in 1977 that he would hold only one Presidential term, if and when elected, as he'd been "Tapped on the shoulder." (Yes... Mr. Clinton was LET IN...)
I seek to find the best way to "Get it all out there..." And, why not? Make money, too?
With all that in mind (What a load!) then, pray E-mail your gentle advise, sir...
RIck Hyatt>>>
I would advise you to write a NONfiction book about this important information.
I'm glad someone finally is bringing it out.
Good luck.
Lary
Subj: Congratulations!
Date: 96-06-04 23:30:57 edt
From: NYAud
Posted on: America Online
You deserve good things when you help as many people as you do. Glad to hear the good guys win! Audrey Lockwood
Subj: Re:Congratulations!
Date: 96-06-07 07:50:17 edt
From: WRTR Lary
Posted on: America Online
<<<You deserve good things when you help as many people as you do. Glad to hear the good guys win! Audrey Lockwood>>>
Thanks <smile>
Lary
Subj: Re:male PI's
Date: 96-06-27 21:42:20 edt
From: DTAM01
Posted on: America Online
Have been skimming through LaryCrews file and was brought up short by Jean Hagen's note.
Specifically, I'm attempting to market a new series featuring Phil Goode (you're right--and you're supposed to laugh)--a young Scotland Yarder who left comfortable London for the colonial out- back of GA 30 years ago to follow the exchange student he'd fallen for. In the States the laddie's folks got him properly married and into Coca Cola quickly as well as out of Phil's bed. Now, 30 years later, my 50 something Anglo-American is still fighting a healthy dose of xenophobia and is more than a bit crotchety (sp?) because of it (also become something of a loner with a fixation for Famous Grouse). He has also become a PI and is the only one of those in Atlanta willing to do the gay underworld where the MAPD refuse to tread.
The above is a lot shorter a description of Phil than I'm used to--but is there enough there to indicate he's different than most of the male PI's stomping over the transoms of publishers?
Subj: Re:male PI's
Date: 96-06-27 23:18:35 edt
From: Hutchy
Posted on: America Online
I can't answer your question, but as a writer of murder mysteries with Scottish Americans in them - GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!! Luck! Hutchy
Subj: Re:male PI's
Date: 96-06-30 09:14:51 edt
From: DTAM01
Posted on: America Online
Thanks, Hutchy, I am. Phil, however, doesn't have a drop of Celtic blood flowing through his veins--he's all English. Yet, he's still one of the two alter egos I've found in my writing--so, I'll forgive him his English ancestery.
Scottish-American protagonists? I'd like to read. Would you be kind enough to leave a title or two in a posting that I might find in a bookstall?
Subj: Help a beginner
Date: 96-06-30 11:01:08 edt
From: SVBASEBALL
Posted on: America Online
I am new to this club and to the writing profession. I have a murder/mystery novel that is 90% finished.... how can I get my work published? Any advice would be most appreciated! Thanks,
Steve
Subj: Re:Help a beginner
Date: 96-06-30 23:55:43 edt
From: Kthirty
Posted on: America Online
Steve, get thee to a bookstore or library, and find a book on literary markets, agents and submission formats. Lots of good stuff. Also research the main Writer's Club area.
good luck, Kathy
Subj: Re:Help a beginner
Date: 96-06-30 23:58:40 edt
From: Kthirty
Posted on: America Online
Ooops, forgot I was in Lary's hangout. Steve, come hang out with us in 'writing your first mystery'.
Subj: Re:Help a beginner
Date: 96-07-10 19:04:52 edt
From: LaryCrews
Posted on: America Online
<<< I am new to this club and to the writing profession. I have a murder/mystery novel that is 90% finished.... how can I get my work published? Any advice would be most appreciated! Thanks,
Steve >>>
For extensive information about getting an agent, download and read CREWS ON AGENTS from the ASK LARY CREWS library.
Here's how to find the file:
1. Use Keyword "Writers" to take you to the Writer's Club main menu.
2. Scroll down to THE BUSINESS OF WRITING
3. Double-click on THE BUSINESS OF WRITING
4. Double-click on ASK LARY CREWS
5. Double-click on ...ON AGENTS
6. Click on DOWNLOAD NOW and indicate where you want the file to be
downloaded. (Or you can click on DOWNLOAD LATER and do it later.)
7. Once downloaded, the file can be read by ANY word processing program (such as Word, WordPerfect, WordPro or whatever you have) as it was saved in pure "DOS text" or ASCII. Do NOT attempt to read it using AOL's system software. It is too big.
-------------------------------------
Do not hesitate to ask me any questions you may have, via E-Mail.
Lary Crews (WRTR Lary)
Staff
Writer's Club
America Online
Subj: Agents
Date: 96-07-14 10:09:35 edt
From: AlliGot2do
Posted on: America Online
Hi Lary;
I'm on my second rewrite of a mystery novel and I'd like to start digging for an agent. I understand you have a list that you send upon request. I would greatly appreciate it if you could E-mail any information about specific agents or how to approach them. Also any warnings about what to watch out for. Thank you.
Ken Lauria
Subj: Re:Agents
Date: 96-07-15 22:11:30 edt
From: Valatin
Posted on: America Online
Mystery Chat mentioned your list of agents. Please e-mail.
7/28/96 9:34:45 AM Closing Log file.
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