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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: INFO: New "Electric Spacecraft Magazine"
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ponder :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: ABDUCT UPDATE: UPDATE on Betty and Barney Hill
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. As
usual my *disclaimer* is simply to present the data and let you form
your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or
ponder :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
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The following text comes off the FIDO UFO echo. Many thanks to John
Powell for putting this article up :-)
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Message #6661 - UFO
Date : 14-Jun-91 22:30
From : John Powell
To : Glenn Devlin
Subject : Hill Abduction: 1 of 7
This information should be attributed to Barbara Becker. The file is named
HILL.LTR and is in seven parts. This is part one of an examination of the
book Interrupted Journey by Fuller.
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Name: Barb Becker #106 @3466
Date: Sat Jun 02 02:10:39 1990
Sometime ago I received a paper form a researcher in Columbia Missouri on
the Hill case. I found the paper very interesting but wondered if his conclu-
sions were accurate. I decided to contact Mrs. Hill. I told her about the BBS
and that I wanted to put the paper on the board, but wanted to let her know
what was being said and offer her a chance for rebuttal/corrections. She ac-
cepted. What follows is the paper, and then two letters from her. I have used
[brackets] to show her corrections.
******************************************
INTELLIGENCE, MEDIA CONNECTIONS IN UFO CASES
UFOsearch / Val Germann / Columbia, Mo. / 1990
#2 The Hill Abduction Case, 1961, source: Interrupted Journey
SEPT. 18-19 [Sept. 19-20] Barney and Betty Hill abducted in the White Moun-
tains of New Hampshire. They remember part of the experience but have over 2
hours of "missing time," of which they are totally unaware at first. Barney
remembers seeing huge object with "fins with red lights on the ends" and "crew
members behind glass" panels at very short range. This object was more than
100 feet across and hovered 50 feet above the ground only 300 feet away for
several minutes Barney watched through binoculars.
SEPT. 20 Betty Hill calls her sister and tells her part of the story. Sister
then calls a local physicist who suggested they check for radiation. Sister
also calls local police chief who suggests they call Pease AFB, Portsmouth,
N.H. Betty calls the Air Force Base, worried about radiation. The officer who
answers was at first "cynical and unresponsive" but finally did ask to talk to
Barney. After Barney mentioned the "fins with lights" the officer perked up
and said the call was being "monitored". Barney felt that the officer was
definitely interested. Barney did not mention the figures he had seen behind
the glass through binoculars.
SEPT. 21 Major Paul Anderson, Intelligence Officer for the 100th Bomb Group,
Pease AFB, calls back, says he has stayed up all night working on a report of
this incident. Asked Barney for the size of the object. Barney says it
appeared as big as a dinner plate held at arms length. Major Anderson filed a
report with Blue Book, #100-1-61.
SEPT. 23 Betty [Barney] Hill Goes to the local Library and finds one of Major
Donald Keyhoe's books on UFOs. Takes down his address.
SEPT. 26 Betty Hill writes to Keyhoe in Washington, D.C., describing the
incident as she remembers it. Fuller reports that NICAP (Keyhoe's
organization) was getting 40,000 letters a year.
SEPT. 30 Ten days after the sighting Betty Hill begins to have a series of
vivid and awesome dreams, which Fuller does not tell us about. They continue
for five days and then stop.
OCT. 4 Keyhoe is asked to lunch by Robert Hohman and someone named C.D.
Jackson, "senior engineer" for a "notable electronics company", name
withheld. They are supposedly working on a paper about extra-terrestrial
contacts that Nikola Tesla, David Todd and Marconi were alleged to have
experienced in the early part of the century. Keyhoe tells them about the
Hills.
OCT. 21 Walter Webb, investigtaor for Keyhoe's NICAP and an astronomer [lec-
turer] with the Hayden Planetarium, New York, N.Y., comes to interview the
Hills. He is there several hours. Betty does not tell him about her dreams.
Barney tells of the "captain" and others he saw through the glass.
OCT. 25? Betty begins to have a series of dreams following an experience in
the car. She had panicked as she and Barney had come upon a stalled auto in
the road with some people standing around it. That night she dreamed of being
taken into a UFO and given some sort of examination.
OCT. 26 Webb's report goes to NICAP in Washington. He had not been contacted
by Keyhoe directly but through the mail by Richard Hall, NICAP's secretary. He
had been skeptical. He was very much impressed by the Hills, however.
--- XRS! 4.02+
* Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (Quick 1:19/19.19)
Message #6662 - UFO
Date : 14-Jun-91 22:33
From : John Powell
To : Glenn Devlin
Subject : Hill Abduction: 2 of 7
This is part two of an examination of the book Interrupted Journey by Fuller.
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NOV. 3 Hohman and Jackson write the Hills asking for an interview. They tell
the Hills that they are serious minded men whose interest is in "verifying the
origin of these vehicles according to existing scientific theory maintained by
Hermann Oberth." Oberth was of V-2 rocket fame. They did not reveal their
place of employment but permission was granted.
NOV. 25 Hohman and Jackson come to the house to interview the Hills. "Also
visiting that day" is Major James McDonald, a long-time friend of the Hills
and an Air Force intelligence officer. It appears he asks no questions about
who Homan and Jackson are. The Hills had "discussed the case many times with
Maj. McDonald." The three of them spend 12 hours talking to the Hills about
their experience, including the "men" behind the glass. Major McDonald
suggests hypnosis but does not know any therapists. The matter rests here for
some time. Both Hills begin to be concerned about the incident and the chance
they may have been hallucinating.
MAR., 1962 Betty Hill writes to a doctor recommended by a colleague. The
Hills see him and tell their stories. The doctor recommends they wait and see
if the problem subsides on its own. No therapy is attempted.
SUMMER, 1962 Barney begins to see a psychiatrist about his anxiety but only
briefly mentions the UFO incident.
SEPT., 1962 The Hills are invited to a "UFO Study Group" to informally talk
about their experience. That meeting is taped, by whom Fuller does not say,
unknown to the Hills. Betty talked of her dreams, the dream of the physical
examination.
SEPT., 1963 The Hills tell their church discussion group about the UFO inci-
dent. That same day Captain Ben Swett, from Pease AFB, was to talk about hyp-
nosis, which he had made a personal hobby of his. The Hills are encouraged by
Major McDonald to talk to their church friends about their experience and en-
couraged by Capt. Swett to undergo hypnosis. Barney is experiencing extreme
psychological disturbances as a result of the UFO sighting and abduction. He
would die in the late 1960's at the age of 46.
Television movie THE UFO INCIDENT with James Earl Jones and Estelle Parsons.
Dr. Simon had been technical advisor on a WWII movie made by John Huston
called LET THERE BE LIGHT.
JUNE, 1964 Sessions with Dr. Simon end.
FALL [Oct.], 1965 Sensational articles run in Boston newspaper about the
Hills experience. Information taken from tape made at the Sept., 1962 "UFO
Study Group" meeting, provenance unknown.
NOV., 1965 Unitarian Church in Dover, N.H., invites the Hills to talk. Hills
meet with Admiral Knowles, NICAP, before they speak. Also on program is a
Public Information Officer from Pease, AFB, who is a member of the Church [not
a church member] and has helped set up the event. He does not attack the
Hills. At this time a huge UFO flap was underway in the area and hundreds of
people were turned away from the church on a cold and raw evening. The usual
attendance for the weekly Unitarian sessions: 40 people.
--- XRS! 4.02+
* Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (Quick 1:19/19.19)
Message #6663 - UFO
Date : 14-Jun-91 22:35
From : John Powell
To : Glenn Devlin
Subject : Hill Abduction: 3 of 7
This is part 3 of an examination of the book Interrupted Journey by Fuller.
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AS YOU CAN SEE from the simple chronology above (assembled from John Fuller's
book with difficulty) there is more going on in the Hill case than meets the
eye.
WHO WERE "HOMANN and C.D. Jackson?" Who were they really working for? Why was
a "major electronics firm" paying them to investigate 60-year-old fairy tales
about Nikola Tesla? What "scientific theories" held by Hermann Oberth could be
of interest to an "electronics firm." What we actually have here is a "cover"
for intelligence activity.
IN ALIENS FROM SPACE, 1973, Keyhoe says that these two "engineers" were
"aiding NICAP." That is not the impression that is given in Fuller's book. In
INTERRUPTED JOURNEY the strong impression is that these two gentlemen simply
had an independent interest due to a strange research assignment from their
company. This could be accepted in 1966. In 1990 we know better.
YOU SEE, by the fall of 1963 a gentleman named C.D. Jackson was working for
Time/Life Corporation in an executive position. In fact, he was helping to
arrange a $25,000 payment to the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald.
IN CASE YOU HAVE forgotten, Time/Life bought the Zapruder Film for $150,000
and then made sure it was not shown as a film for many years. Then, when it
was shown, it had been obviously altered. David Lifton in BEST EVIDENCE says
that the film was at the CIA's photo interpretation lab the day Time/Life
bought it.
DOES THE FACT THAT Donald Keyhoe had lunch with C.D. Jackson just after
getting Betty Hill's letter "resonate" with you? It does with this author.
Donald Keyhoe was, in UFOsearch's opinion, running a two-track operation. In
the public and with his organization he was not interested in "contactee"
stories. But on deep background he was involved with another investigation,
one connected with the intelligence community. Were they running him?
CONSIDER THIS. In ALIENS FROM SPACE Keyhoe says that "A well-known journalist,
John Fuller, had learned of the case in a confidential talk at NICAP. It was
arranged that he should prepare the record using Dr. Simon's taped questions
and the Hill's answers." Then Keyhoe says: INTERRUPTED JOURNEY received a
surprising amount of serious attention compared to the usual treatment of
"contactee stories." How interesting.
YES--AND THE "abduction story" has become a staple of the UFO investigator.
Indeed, the sanitized Hill story became the ONLY abduction movie ever
made --- before COMMUNION, 1989. And the Hill saga appeared only on the small
screen, it never ran in theaters. The same could almost be said for COMMUNION
which was not widely distributed and died a very quick death. It will be in
video stores by mid-1990 which, I think, is the idea.
OTHER QUESTIONS: How did it happen that one of the Hill's best friends was an
Air Force Intelligence Officer who just happened to be visiting the day that
Hohman and Jackson showed up? Isn't it interesting that they were the ones who
first made the Hills aware of their "missing time?" Isn't it interesting that
they were the ones who suggested hypnosis?
ISN'T IT INTERESTING that the man finally called in to do the regressions on
the Hills was the Executive officer of the Army's main psychiatric hospital
during World War II, who did his undergraduate work at Johns Hopkins
University whose wartime president was a member of MAJESTIC-12 and who was the
technical advisor on the major WWII propaganda film made by the famous
director John Huston? The Hills went through two other therapists before going
to Simon. Did they have the money to pay this gentlemen, who must have been
very, very expensive? This is something Fuller does not talk about. Did NICAP
pay their way?
UNPLEASANT POSSIBILITY The Hills were "set up" by the people dealing with the
so-called "Greys" out in New Mexico. The Hill case was either a deep-cover
check on what the "Greys" were doing under the "agreement" or it was an even
deeper-cover attempt at "disinformation" to get "abductions" in play--safely.
END HILL CASE
--- XRS! 4.02+
* Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (Quick 1:19/19.19)
Message #6664 - UFO
Date : 14-Jun-91 22:37
From : John Powell
To : Glenn Devlin
Subject : Hill Abduction: 4 of 7
This is a letter from Betty Hill to Barb Becker which speaks to the previous
examination of the book Interrupted Journey by Fuller, (previous 3 messages).
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Letter from Betty Hill:
Scientists, working at top level government jobs. Their HOBBY was ufos. As a
job protection for them, we agreed not to release their employment, altho it
was well known to us. C D Jackson was never associated with Time/Life. We had
continuing contacts with them. Jackson, in 1966, was still working in Alabama,
at the same employment.
Most of our friends were officers at Pease AFB. Usually, we all met at the
Officers Club every Friday night. Barney's best friend was a Lt. Col. in
Intelligence. Jim McDonald was a Major; also a friend who dated one of my best
friends. Later they married. We visited each other regularly.
Jim McDonald suggested hypnosis because our mutual friend, Capt. Ben Swett,
officer at Pease, did this. Ben felt his type of hypnosis was not adequate, as
he used only a light stage, which is the stage of suggestibility.
Dr Ben Simon had left military service years before we met him and he was
in private practice. Dr Stephans referred us to him because he knew he used
medical hypnosis, taught in medical school, when Dr. Stephans had been one of
his students.
As for the movie, "Let Their Be Light" dealt with medical hypnosis used by
Dr Simon to treat servicemen returning from WW2, and restoring them to good
health. A wonderful movie - it should be released to the public.
As for two therapists; we consulted one, one appointment. Barney was seen
be Dr Duncan Stephans, but I was not.
As for the cost of our appointments with Dr Simon, it is true he was very
expensive. Our health insurance paid one-half of this. Bill was submitted for
"therapy following ufo capture". We paid the remaining half, which was in the
thousands of dollars.
John Fuller did not learn of our experience from NICAP, or Donald Keyhoe.
From them, he learned the information which resulted in his book, INCIDENT IN
EXETER. He was in this area, gathering information for this, when the Boston
newspaper articles were published.
As for "Unpleasant Possibility" - Pure Paranoia! Nothing "sinister" about
our experience or our friends. And the UFO definitely had nothing to do with
New Mexico.
It would be appreciated if you would send me a corrected copy for your
computer. Nice to hear from you -
Sincerely,
Betty (signed)
Betty Hill
P.S. How I know those who captured us were not from New Mexico -- No alien-
government base exists there. Apparently this story began when a woman in a
light trance of hypnosis told of being taken there.
Ed Conroy, a writer, and a friend Dora Ruffner did an investigation of
this. They learned the locations of these so-called bases were located on the
reservation of the Jicarilla Apache Tribe, a restricted area. So they met with
the tribal leaders and obtained permission to research the areas, with guides
and without them. They explored the areas. All they found was an abondoned
water tower that had been used in the past when a railroad ran thru this area;
also a house habited by an Apache family. No gravel roads, no towers, no
government or any other kind of installations.
Ed Conroy was the first person to research this report - He is a reporter
on arts and electronic media for the San Antonio Express News. He should be
included on your computer network.
Betty Hill
--- XRS! 4.02+
* Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (Quick 1:19/19.19)
Message #6665 - UFO
Date : 14-Jun-91 22:40
From : John Powell
To : Glenn Devlin
Subject : Hill Abduction: 5 of 7
The following is BBS correspondence between Barb Becker and Betty Hill.
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115/157: Betty Hill part 4
Name: Barb Becker #106 @3466
Date: Sat Jun 02 02:14:30 1990
I wrote to Mrs. Hill again and thanked her for her comments and asked if she
would like to make a statement for the BBS regarding her experience, the fol-
lowing is her response.
April 2, 1990
Dear Barbara Becker,
I think probably the easiest way to answer your questions is to list the
events as they occured.
Let me say first, that in a case like ours, our conscious mind did not re-
member all, but our subconscious mind did.
We considered the beginning of our capture was the time when Barney was
standing in the field, watching the craft, when one of the humanoids said
something to him, resulting in his panic and running back to the car, yelling
they were trying to capture us.
As we went speeding along the highway to avoid capture, we heard the
beeping sounds, and the car vibrated.
When Barney turned into a secondary road, I thought we knew a short cut on
our way home, and did not question this. Then we saw what we called the moon
setting on the ground. We assumed the moon was setting, and we could see the
trees in front of this.
The next, Barney turned onto a dirt road, in the direction of the setting
moon. Before I could question him about this, we saw the men standing in the
road, blocking our way - and we could not remember beyond this point.
We remembered looking for the highway, but before we reached this, we saw
the craft again as it passed over the secondary road in front of us.
When we entered onto the main highway, we heard a second series of beeping
sounds. And we came home, looking for the craft all the way and not seeing it.
At home, Barney's first remark was "It is 5 o'clock, We should have been
home by 3 AM at the latest." This time was from our kitchen clock, for both
our watches had stopped running - this puzzled us, that both stopped about the
same time.
Barney began to unload our belongings from the car. We agreed they should
not be brought into the house, so they were left on the back porch for a
couple of days.
Then we took long showers, shampoos for we felt "very dirty".
We agreed that something had happened, we did not know what it was, but we
could not talk about it. We would forget about it as quickly as possible.
The next day I went out to my car, and found highly polished spots on the
trunk in a circular pattern. I became very upset, saying maybe we had been
exposed to something dangerous - the spots should be checked out. So I called
my sister who called a physist who suggested checking the spots with a
compass, which I did. When the compass was very erratic, I called my sister
again to tell her of this. At that time a police officer was at her home, and
I talked with him - told him about the night before. He said they had orders
to tell witnesses to call Pease Air Force Base and report this sighting. So we
called Pease and told them about the sighting, but ommitted about Barney
seeing the humanoids.
Our next step was to return to the Mountains, looking for a secondary road,
the dirt road, thinking if we could find these, we could remember what
happened after we saw the "men in the road". We went back regularly, in all
kinds of weather, looking but not finding the dirt road. While we were there,
we asked everyone we saw, if they ever saw any strange lights in the sky,
received hundreds of reports - meeting with groups of 50 or more at a time,
who told of their sightings, but none with an experience similar to ours,
which we did not discuss.
--- XRS! 4.02+
* Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (Quick 1:19/19.19)
Message #6666 - UFO
Date : 14-Jun-91 22:42
From : John Powell
To : Glenn Devlin
Subject : Hill Abduction: 6 of 7
About six to eight weeks after this experience, we came home one night, and
found on the kitchen table a pile of dried leaves. Our first response
was - someone has been in our home! When I began to clean up the leaves, I
found my blue ear rings I was wearing that night. That was panic - how did I
lose them and who returned them? And how did they get into our home?
Next was my dress. The second time I had worn this, and now it was covered
with a pink powdery substance. I put it outside, and the powdery substance
blew away, but it left pink stains all over my dress. Also the hem and some
seams were torn - it had a built in lining - badly torn.
To go back, to ten nights after this experience, I had a series of dreams,
for five nights, of being captured, taken on board, given a physical exam. At
that time, Barney worked midnight to 8 AM, so he was not here. I typed out
these dreams and hid them, never discussed them until the time of our hypnosis
with Dr. Simon.
As for Hohman and Jackson, they had attended some kind of Geological
Conference in Washington DC and met Donald Keyhoe there. After the Conference
they told him they had a hobby, and interest in flying saucers (the term at
that time) He let them read Walt Webb's report of his meeting with us.
Hohman wrote to us, asking to meet with us. We agreed for at than time, we
knew nothing about ufos, and we were quietly seeking some explanation for our
expereince. Hohman was from New York, and Jackson was from Alabama, so we
needed to wait until these two were together.
When they were here, Barney told them about the humanoid saying something
to him, which he could not remember - this was very upsetting to him.
We told them about the setting moon just before we turned on to the dirt
road. They said we could not have seen the moon, for it had already set. Panic
by both of us.
So they suggested we take a road map, and pinpoint our location at
different times. We knew we had left Colebrook about 10 PM, the restaurant
there. We were able to pinpoint the locations and times most of the way, but
at one point between Plymouth and Ashland was a blank. So they suggested we go
back to this general area. Then we talked about time - we could drive to
Canada in seven hours, and it had taken us seven hours to come home from
Colebrook. There had to be an explanation. Later this was called a missing
time period. But right from the beginning Barney and I knew the trip home was
much longer then it should have been.
We continued to go back to the mountains, looking for the dirt road, asking
people about their sightings. Then we began asking if anyone had ever seen the
people aboard the crafts. No. No one knew Barney had seen them and remembered
this.
As for a hallucination, I was and am a trained social worker. I know the
conditions which must exist for a hallucination to occur - for both people to
have the same one, at the same time, does not happen. Dr. Simon confirmed this
impossibility.
As for the car incident, we both became upset at the same time, but I had
already had my dreams. We were puzzled as to the reasons we responded the way
we did.
If we had not had all these upsetting events happen, without explanation,
we would had never have spent thousands of dollars going to Dr. Simon. We went
to him, to get rid of our anxieties, not for a ufo capture. He worked with us
for seven months, every week. But I learned during these sessions when he was
putting our amnesia back so we could not remember, that we must see him every
week for him to reinforce the amnesia. If we did not do this, we would
remember in about ten days - the same length of time, after this experience,
that I had my dreams. Now I know I recalled these events, in my dreams, as a
result of the lessening of their control of my memory.
--- XRS! 4.02+
* Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (Quick 1:19/19.19)
Message #6667 - UFO
Date : 14-Jun-91 22:44
From : John Powell
To : Glenn Devlin
Subject : Hill Abduction: 7 of 7
After our hypnosis, we went back to the area, and went directly to the
secondary road, to the dirt road. Found the cleared area in the woods where
the craft was down.
Since that time, three labs have tried to analyze the pink stains on my
dress without success.
I agree with you the field of UFOlogy is filled with disinformation. They
have done more to cover real activities by ufos than any other group. As for
my social worker background, I know that insecure people have a terrible time
with things they do not understand, and must develop an explanation,
satisfactory to themselves, which usually is a fantasy. I dislike the term
"missing time" for everyone has missing time. The human brain is incapable of
remembering every little detail of our lives, every moment. No one can
remember everything that happened yesterday.
I have worked with those who have been captured, and with those who would
like to think they were. Five were real captures, reported almost immediately
to the police, and in three cases, they were at the emergency room at the
hospital within three hours. Then for the others - five were beginning to be
mentally ill, were committed, diagnosed, and treated. Later, one became a
suicide. Then there are the hoaxes - I walked right thru the wall - how much
did it cost for repairs? They call back in a few days, and tell me how they
fooled the hypnotist by telling weird tales, which were believed. Finally,
there are those who are led astray by auto-suggestion, called hypnosis, by
those using it. I can take anyone, and in fifteen minutes, thru a simple
exercise can give them a ufo capture. But I am sure that they know it is only
a "Flight of Fantasy". But it is the same kind of "hypnosis" others are using.
It is not the hypnosis we had. We had the kind that is used in surgery. I
would like to see all those who use the wrong kind, try to do some simple
medical procedures.
So many try to copy my experiences, so Dr. Simon wrote a segment about
hypnosis, the types, testing and characteristics. No one apparently read or
understood this section, pages 82 thru 85, for they ignore this. Unfortunately
it is ruining the field of hypnosis, which does have good medical uses.
I went to a conference of so-called abductees. One told of her experiences,
right out of Star Trek. She took on the part played by Capt. Kirk. Used the
same names as in the tv program. Later we told her this, so she went back and
had "hypnosis" again and came up with a different capture. Such success. Such
fairy tales they tell.
Thanks for letting me set the record straight. Some times I have heard my
experiences told in such a way, I did not recognize it.
Sincerely,
Betty (signed)
Betty Hill
-+--- End of File -----------------------------------------------------------
Thanks, take care.
John.
--- XRS! 4.02+
* Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence (Quick 1:19/19.19)
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.bbs,alt.bbs.lists,alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,talk.religion.newage,misc.headlines,misc.misc
Subject: INFO: ParaNet BBS nodes across the world.
Keywords: Follow-ups to alt.alien.visitors
Message-ID: <1991Jun17.193518.15801@bilver.uucp>
Date: 17 Jun 91 19:35:18 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. As
usual my *disclaimer* is simply to present the data and let you form
your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or
ponder :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
I've been asked several times in email for this list and now here it is!
A BIG thanks to John Hicks for calling my attention to it. It was right
under my nose the whole time :-)
NOTE: Please send email to Michael Corbin at:
---->> infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com. <<--
or:
-->> Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
He is the administrator of the ParaNet system, worldwide.
----Begin Included Text ----------------------------------------------
LIST OF PARANET INTERNATIONAL NODES
==============================================
ParaNet Information Service
Headquarters
Michael Corbin, Administrator
P.O. Box 928
Wheatridge, Colorado 80034-0928
FidoNet Address: 1:310/8
ParaNet Private Address: 9:9/0
=========================================================
Don Ecker, Network Security 30163/0
Bob Fletcher, Bureau Chief/Australian Bureau 30163/401
Doug Rogers, Echo Moderator 30163/3
Paul Faeder, Network Development/Coordinator 30163/203
John Burke, ParaNet Legal Counsel 9:9/800
=========================================================
Please direct all inquiries to Alpha at 1:310/8 or 9:9/0
AUSTRALIA
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Board Location Sysop Data Phone Baud
FIDO Add ParaNet Address CIS ID Remarks
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OMEGA-ALPHA Kingsbury Vic , Australia 011-61-3-467-7984 9600
30163/401 Bob Fletcher Bureau Chief
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OMEGA-BETA Mentone, Victoria, Australia 011-61-3-583-4778 2400
30163/402 John Marsden
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OMEGA-GAMMA Launceston, Tasmania, Australia 011-61-3-44-9762 2400
30163/403 Roy Austen
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OMEGA-DELTA Chippendale, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
30163/404 Lance Lyon 011-61-2-319-1793 2400
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OMEGA-EPSILON Milton, Victoria **Temporarily Out of Service**
30163/405 Darren Moore
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OMEGA-ZETA Melba, A.C.T., Australia 011-61-62-587-160 2400
30163/406 Scott Furry
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OMEGA-THETA Dalkeith, Western Australia 011-61-9-386-2405 2400
30163/408 Andrew Milner
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OMEGA-ETA Lane Cove, New South Wales 011-002-428-2446 2400
30163/407 Grame Thompson
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OMEGA-IOTA Kendall, New South Wales 011-065-59-4537 9600
30163/409 John Caine
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OMEGA-KAPPA Blacktown, New South Wales 011-61-2-622-9591 2400
30163/410 Robert Jones
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OMEGA-LAMBDA Redfern, New South Wales 011-61-2-319-0925 2400
30163/411 Jodi Jackson
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OMEGA-MU Footscray, Victoria **Private System**
30163/412 Ken Hayes
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OMEGA-NU Ferntree, Gully, Australia 011-61-3-758-9573 2400
30163/413 Lincoln Broomhall
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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Board Location Sysop Data Phone Baud
FIDO Add ParaNet Address CIS ID Remarks
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ALPHA Cheyenne, WY Michael Corbin 307-632-0352 9600
30163/0 Headquarters Node
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ALPHA-BETA Cedar Rapids, IA Peter Elliff 319-377-0134 9600
30163/14 Open Cluster
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ALPHA-CENTAURI San Francisco, CA Rick Moen 415-648-8944 2400
30163/25 The Skeptic's Board
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ALPHA-GAMMA Bloomington , IN Jim Graham 812-334-0418 2400
Portal Dolmen BBS **Local System**
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ALPHA-DELTA Los Angeles, CA Don Ecker **Private System**
30163/22
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ALPHA-EPSILON Alexandria, VA Steve Rose 703-823-6591 2400
30163/26 ABySS BBS
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ALPHA-ZETA Sacramento, CA Boyd Naron 916-427-0324 9600
The City Lights
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ALPHA-MU Sacramento, CA Dan Brown 916-446-7286 2400
Gates of Delirium
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ALPHA-THETA
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ALPHA-ETA
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ALPHA-IOTA
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ALPHA-KAPPA Pittsburgh, PA Chuck Ammon 412-264-2692 9600
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ALPHA-LAMBDA
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ALPHA-MU El Cajon , CA Don Orchard 619-440-6038 2400
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ALPHA-NU Gilbert , AZ Frank Ward 602-892-1853 2400
The Encounter BBS
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BETA ,
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GAMMA Lexington , KY Doug Rogers 606-271-0558 2400
30163/3
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DELTA Saskatoon , Saskatchewan 306-934-2919 9600
30163/4 Canada John Bowden
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DELTA-ALPHA
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EPSILON Warren , MI Jacques Leclerc 313-751-4057 2400
30163/5
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ZETA Bethany Park , IN Terry Fields 317-831-1827 2400
30163/6
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KAPPA
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LAMBDA
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MU
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NU-ALPHA
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NU-BETA
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NU-GAMMA Cape Coral , FL Bill Stewart **Out of Service*
Nite Connections
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NU-DELTA Orlando , FL John Hicks 407-649-4136 9600
30163/29 Gourmet Delight
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NU-EPSILON Altamonte Spgs, FL Gale Thompson 407-628-2018 2400
30163/35 The Business
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XI-ALPHA Milwaukee , WI Pete Porro 414-352-6176 9600
30163/206 Radio Free Milwaukee
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XI-BETA San Leandro , CA Cheryl Mathison 415-481-2806 2400
Yellow Submarine
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XI-GAMMA Luther , OK Rod Wilson 405-277-3603 2400
30163/204 Paraclypse III
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OMICRON Bushkill , PA Paul Faeder 717-588-7549 9600
30163/203
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PI Jersey City , NJ Clark Matthews 201-451-3063 2400
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RHO Chicago , IL Jerry Ablan 312-876-3652 1200
30163/13
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RHO-BETA Ingleside , IL Jerry Callahan 312-740-2072 9600
30163/23
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TAU
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TAU-BETA Columbia , MO Brian Clark 314-442-0779 2400
Thrift University BBS
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TAU-GAMMA Chattanooga , TN John I. Finney 615-265-2629 9600
30163/34 The Old Folks Home
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TAU-CETI Chicago , IL John Burke **PRIVATE SYSTEM**
ParaNet Legal Counsel
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TAU-DELTA
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TAU-EPSILON
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UPSILON
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PHI
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CHI Nashua , NH Ralph Schwarz 603-888-3840 9600
30163/2 The Outpost BBS
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CHI-BETA Burlington , VT James Pallack 802-860-1875 9600
30163/37 We Serve Your Drives
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PSI
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ZETA-RETICULI Phoenix , AZ Jim Speiser 602-951-3431 9600
30163/20 USOP BBS
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EUROPE
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Board Location Sysop Data Phone Baud
FIDO Add ParaNet Address CIS ID Remarks
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THETA
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IOTA
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GERMANY
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Board Location Sysop Data Phone Baud
FIDO Add ParaNet Address CIS ID Remarks
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SIGMA-ALPHA Berlin , Germany Andre' Eichner 011-49-30-791-9269
30163/303 9600
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SIGMA-BETA Darmstadt , Germany Hendrik Bohm 011-49-6257-7966
30163/304 2400
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SIGMA-GAMMA Berlin , Germany Detlef Deutzer 011-30-624-98-32
30163/305 2400
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SIGMA-DELTA Hannover , Germany Ernst Elbe 011-49-511-392274
9600
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,talk.religion.newage,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,misc.misc
Subject: INFO: MUFON Application Form
Keywords: Follow-ups to alt.alien.visitors
Message-ID: <1991Jun17.194023.15926@bilver.uucp>
Date: 17 Jun 91 19:40:23 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. As
usual my *disclaimer* is simply to present the data and let you form
your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or
ponder :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The following comes from the MUFONET BBS (1-901-785-4943):
-----Begin Included Text --------------------------------------------
MUFON Mutual UFO Network, Inc.
Annual Mem Fee: $25 APPLICATION FOR MEMBERSHIP
Name _________________________ Age ______ Occupation ______________________
Address _________________________________________ City _____________________
State ______________________ ZIP code ____________ County _________________
Country ____________________ Telephone: Home ( )______________________
Work ( )______________________
Please enter your highest formal
educational level or degree _________________________________________________
Other fields of specialized training ________________________________________
Are you an Amateur Radio Operator? __________ Call Letters _________________
Do you have a Citizens Band radio? __________ Call Letters _________________
List other UFO organizations to which you belong ____________________________
What is your prime interest in the study of the UFO phenomenon? _____________
_____________________________________________________________________________
Have you concentrated your research to a category? __________________________
If so, what is your specialized field of expertise? _________________________
_____________________________________________________________________________
Model of
Are you an amateur astronomer? _______________ Telescope ___________________
Considering your interest, education, experience, occupation, and available
personal time, in which capacity do you feel that you could best serve MUFON
in UFO research or investigations?
Consultant ______ State Director______ State Section Director ______
Field Investigator ______ Research Specialist ______ Astronomy ______
Contributing Subscriber ______ Amateur Radio Operator ______
UFO News Clipping Service ______ Field Investigator Trainee ______
Date ____________________ Signature ________________________________________
*****************************************************************************
Appointed to the position of ________________________________________________
and ____________________________________________ on ________________________
(date)
Annual Membership
Membership Card Issued ________/______ Dues Received _______________________
(date) (amount)
Your State Section Director is: for: Adult [ ] Student [ ]
_______________________________ JOURNAL Subcription [ ]
_______________________________
_______________________________
Your State or Provincial Director: Approved by _________________________
_______________________________ Walter H. Andrus, Jr.
_______________________________ International Director
_______________________________
Telephone: (512) 379-9216
Please send to: MUFON
103 Oldtowne Road
Seguin, Texas 78155-4099
______________________________________________________________________________
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,talk.religion.newage,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,misc.misc
Subject: INFO: MUFON information
Keywords: Follow-ups to alt.alien.visitors
Message-ID: <1991Jun17.194403.15989@bilver.uucp>
Date: 17 Jun 91 19:44:03 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Lines: 115
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. As
usual my *disclaimer* is simply to present the data and let you form
your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or
ponder :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The following text comes from the MUFONET BBS (1-901-785-4943):
----Begin Included Text ---------------------------------------------
MUFON - Mutual UFO Information Network, Inc.
___________________________________________
103 Oldtowne Road
Seguin, Texas 78155-4099 U.S.A.
Walter H. Andrus, Jr. - International Director
512-379-9216
_____________________________________________________________________________
The Mutual UFO Network, Inc. is an international scientific organization
composed of people seriously interested in studying and researching the phe-
nomenon known as unidentified flying objects (UFO's) by combining their
mutual talents, areas of expertise and investigative efforts. MUFON is the
acronym for the Mutual UFO Network, INC., a Texas nonprofit corporation,
exempt from Federal Income Tax under Section 501(c)(3) and a publicly
supported organization of the type described in Section 509(a)(2) of the
Internal Revenue Code. MUFON firmly believes that a concentrated scientific
study by dedicated investigators and researchers will provide the ultimate
answer to the UFO enigma.
_____________________________________________________________________________
Founded on May 31, 1969, MUFON's phenomenal success may be attributed to
the "grass roots" nature of the organization where a majority of the
leadership and motivation is achieved at the local level. In North America,
a State or Provincial Director oversees the investigative activities of the
Field Investigators through State Section Directors. An International Coor-
dinator and seven Continental Coordinators work with the Foreign Representa-
tives and National Directors in each country on the international scene.
MUFON is governed by a Board of Directors composed of 17 men and women and
administered by an Executive Committee.
_____________________________________________________________________________
MUFON's Board of Consultants, most whom are PhDs or MDs representing 45
areas of science, technology, medicine, psychiatry, theology, engineering,
astronomy, communications, political science, photo analysis, etc., are
readily available as an advisory group to apply their expertise to UFO cases
under study and to conduct advanced research in their respective field.
_____________________________________________________________________________
Starting in 1970, MUFON has sponsored an Annual International UFO
Symposium where world known scientists, engineers, university professors and
authors lecture on their particular specialization or contributions to
resolving this perplexing scientific dilemma. To provide a permanent record
of the presentations, the copyrighted symposium proceedings are published
annually for worldwide distribution.
_____________________________________________________________________________
In order that only qualified, competent and sincere people may become
involved, membership in MUFON is by invitation only. Anyone interested in
helping to resolve the UFO phenomenon is invited to join by submitting a
membership application and appropriate dues for approval. Based upon their
education and experience, members may serve in one or more of the following
positions: Consultant, State or Provincial Director, State Section Director,
Foreign Representative, Field Investigator, Research Specialist, Amateur
Radio Operator, Astronomy, Field Investigator Trainee, Translator, UFO News
Clipping Service, Contributing Subscriber, or Associate Member (under 18
years of age).
_____________________________________________________________________________
Field Investigators are trained and high standards of professionalism
are required by MUFON. As objective, scientific researchers, MUFON Field
Investigators uphold the confidentiality of witnesses and case information.
Investigators are volunteers who conduct research at their own expense, and
attempt to document sighting information in a thorough and unbiased manner.
The third edition of the copyrighted "MUFON FIELD INVESTIGATORS MANUAL",
published in 1983, provides effective guidelines, techniques and suggestions
to members conducting UFO sighting interviews and investigations. (The
fourth edition will be published in 1989.)
_____________________________________________________________________________
Amateur Radio Networks, operating weekly, are utilized to receive and
disseminate UFO sighting reports and current UFO information. The exact
date, time, and frequencies are published in the MUFON UFO JOURNAL. A master
file, containing all submitted UFO sighting reports, arranged chronologically
by state, province, and country, is maintained in the MUFON administrative
offices.
_____________________________________________________________________________
A twenty-four page monthly magazine, the MUFON UFO JOURNAL is our most
significant means of sharing details of UFO sighting reports and vital
information related to the UFO phenomenon with our members throughout the
world. A subscription to the Journal is included in the annual membership
dues of $25.00 in the U.S.A. and $30.00 in foreign countries in U.S. funds.
_____________________________________________________________________________
For further information about joining the world's largest UFO membership
organization, please write to the address at the top of this file, or leave
me, John Komar, a message. Along with being the SysOp of this board, I am
also MUFON State Director for Tennessee.
We invite you to join and be a part of the solution to the greatest
mystery of the space age.
_____________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic,talk.religion.newage,misc.headlines,misc.misc
Subject: INFO: MUFON Subscription info
Keywords: Follow-ups to alt.alien.visitors
Message-ID: <1991Jun17.194759.16052@bilver.uucp>
Date: 17 Jun 91 19:47:59 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. As
usual my *disclaimer* is simply to present the data and let you form
your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or
ponder :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The following text comes from the MUFONET BBS (1-901-785-4943):
-----Begin Included Text --------------------------------------------
SUBSCRIPTION OR RENEWAL FORM
MUFON UFO JOURNAL
_____________________________________________________________________________
OFFICIAL PUBLICATION OF MUTUAL UFO NETWORK, INC.
*****************************************************************************
The JOURNAL has access to and publishes UFO sighting reports from all
over the world as investigated and reported by MUFON's international liaison
representatives. It has a staff of reporters and columnists second to none
in the UFO publishing field. Guest writers include members of MUFON's
Advisory Board of Consultants, most of whom possess doctorates in their
respective fields of expertise.
The JOURNAL is our most significant means of sharing details of UFO
sighting reports and vital information related to the UFO phenomenon with our
members throughout the world. The MUFON UFO JOURNAL has established itself
as the leading monthly UFO magazine in the world today.
SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION:
A subscription to the JOURNAL is INCLUDED in the annual MUFON membership
dues of $25.00 in the U.S.A. and $30.00 in foreign countries.
FOREIGN SUBSCRIPTIONS:
Payment of foreign membership/subscription, in U.S. funds, must be paid
by International Postal Money Order, a check written against a U.S. bank, or
cash in U.S. dollars
Since the study of the UFO phenomenon is frequently a family affair,
additional members in the same family, that is identical home addresses, may
become members for $10.00 each when one member of the family subscribes at
the regular rate, provided they so designate when submitting their dues. A
sample copy of the JOURNAL may be obtained for $2.50.
If you are interested in finding out the latest on UFO's on a monthly
basis, why not join the world's fastest growing UFO organization and begin
reading the MUFON UFO JOURNAL!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
SUBSCRIPTION BLANK
Name ____________________________________
Address _________________________________
City ____________________________________ State ____________________________
ZIP code __________________________ Country ________________________________
[ ] Please begin or
[ ] renew my subscription with the _________________________________ issue
of the MUFON UFO JOURNAL
I enclose $ _____________ in U.S. funds (send cash at your own risk)
[ ] Check [ ] Money Order [ ] Cash
MAIL TO: MUFON
Mutual UFO Network, Inc.
103 Oldtowne Road
Seguin, Texas 78155-4099 U.S.A.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
EOF
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,talk.religion.newage,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,misc.misc
Subject: INFO: MUFON Symposium publications
Keywords: Follow-ups to alt.alien.visitors
Message-ID: <1991Jun17.195113.16115@bilver.uucp>
Date: 17 Jun 91 19:51:13 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
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of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. As
usual my *disclaimer* is simply to present the data and let you form
your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or
ponder :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The following text comes from the MUFONET BBS (1-901-785-4943):
----Begin Included Text ---------------------------------------------
MUTUAL UFO NETWORK, INC. - MUFON PUBLICATIONS
_________________________________________________
SYMPOSIUM PUBLICATIONS
Each year since 1975, MUFON has hosted an UFO International Symposium,
each at a different location. These symposium publications are from each.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1975: Symposium Theme - UFO's: Searching for a Scientific Breakthrough
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
(112 pages) ($4.00)
- "An Expanded Vision of UFO Research" by David M. Jacobs, Ph.D.
- "Center For UFO Studies and the UFO Central Situation" by Sherman J.
Larsen.
- "UFO Research: Problem or Predicament?" by R. Leo Sprinkle, Ph.D.
- "Interpreting Reports of UFO Sightings" by James M. McCampbell
- "A Catalog of Humanoid Reports for 1974" by Ted Bloecher
- "UFO Research Proposals: What, Who, and How Much?" by Jacques Vallee,PhD
- "Unidentified Flying Objects: The Emerging Evidence by Ted R. Phillips
_____________________________________________________________________________
1976: Symposium Theme - New Frontiers in UFO Research
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
(84 pages) ($5.00)
- "The Operating Argus Concept - A New Look at UFO Event Sharing and Data
Sharing" by Ray Stanford
- "Analysis of Humanoid Reports" by David F. Webb
- "Canadian UFO Residuum" by Henry H. McKay
- "Ufology and the Digital Computer - A Lesson in Evaluation of UFO
Secondary Evidence" by William H. Spaulding
- "Heavenly Chariots and Flying Saucers" by Ted Peters, Ph.D.
- "Must We Stand Idly By? Social Reaction to UFO Reports" by Ron Westrum,
Ph.D.
- "Swamp Gas Plus Ten - And Counting" by J. Allen Hynek, Ph.D.
_____________________________________________________________________________
1977: Symposium Theme - Scientific UFO Research: Ptiition of the UFO Movement
on our 30th Anniversary
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
(166 pages) ($5.00)
- "UFO's: What's Your Ball Game?" by Thomas M. Gates
- "Further Evidence of UFO Radiation" by James M. McCampbell
- "UFO Investigations" by Bill Pitts
- "Why the Coverup?" by Richard Gottlieb
- "The Scientific Method of Investigating UFO's" by John L. Warren, Ph.D.
- "Future Physics and Anti-Gravity" by William F. Hassel, Ph.D.
- "Modern Image Processing Revisits the Great Falls, Montana and
Tremonton, Utau Movies" by William H. Spaulding
- "What Can We Learn From Hypnosis of Imaginary Abductees?" by Alvin H.
Lawson, Ph.D.
- "Science Fiction, Science, and UFO's" by Stanton T. Friedman, M.S.
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1978: Symposium Theme - UFO's: A Historical Perspective on Close Encounters"
Location: Dayton, Ohio
(131 pages) (6.00)
- "A Survey of CEIII Reports for 1977" by Ted Bloecher.
- "1967: The Overlooked UFO Wave and the Colorado Project" by Richard
H. Hall.
- "Retrievals of the Third Kind" by Leonard H. Stringfield.
- "Unidentified Flying Objects and Future Spaceflight Propulsion" by
Iiiobrand von Ludwiger.
- "UFO's as a Space-Time Singularity" by J. Allen Hynek, Ph.D.
- "Behind the UFO Secrecy" by Major Donald E. Keyhoe, USMC,Ret.
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1979: Symposium Theme - "Intensifying the Scientific Investigation of the UFO
Surveillance"
Location: San Francisco, California
(266 pages) ($8.00)
- "A Mind/Brain/Matter Model Consistent with Quantum Physics and the UFO
Phenomena" by Thomas Bearden.
- "Contactees, Cults, and Cultures" by David Stupple, Ph.D. and William
McNeece.
- "A Review of Selected Sightings from Aircraft - 1973 to 1978" by
Richard F. Haines, Ph.D.
- "Forbidden Frontier - Communications with UFOnauts" by James M. Mc
Campbell.
- "The Religious Dimension to the UFO Phenomenon" by Ted Peters, Ph.D.
- "Investigation and Analysis of Sound Pulses Recorded During a Period
of UFO Activity in Bragg Creek, Alberta, Canada" by Dennis R. Regan,
Ph.D. and William K. Allan.
- "Alien Roots: Six UFO Entity Types and some Possible Earthly Ancestors"
by Alvin Lawson, Ph.D.
- "Information Retrievals: A Case for UFO Cover-Up" by William H. Spalding
- "The Legion of the Bewildered Silent and Related Topics" by J. Allen
Hynek, Ph.D.
- "The Case for the Extraterrestrial Origin of Flying Saucers" by Stanton
T. Friedman,M.S.
- "Newspapers and UFO's" by Walter Greenwald.
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1980: Symposium Theme: "UFO Technology; A Detailed Examination"
Location: Clear Lake City, Texas
(178 pages) ($10.00)
- "Project Visit - An Approach To Determine 'What Are They?'" by L. David
Kissinger and John F. Schuessler.
- "UFOCAT and A Friend with Two New Ideas" by Fred Merritt.
- "UFO Contactees: Captive Collaborators or Cosmic Citizens" by R. Leo
Sprinkle, Ph.D.
- "The Unified Field Theory and the UFO" by Henry C. Montieth, Ph.D.
- "Hyperspace (Virtual State) Engineering" by Thomas E. Bearden, M.S.
- "Quality Control of the UFO Database: Some Suggested Techniques" by
James E. Oberg.
- "Preliminary Analysis of Medical Injuries as a Result of UFO Close
Encounters" by Richard C. Niemtzow, M.D. & Ph.D.
- "Flying Saucer Technology" by Stanton T. Friedman, M.S.
- "Instrumented Sensing, Recording, and Documentation of Transient Phen-
omena in UFO Events" by Ray Stanford.
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1981: Symposium Theme: "UFO's: The Hidden Evidence"
Location: Cambridge, Massachusetts
(153 pages) ($10.00)
- "Ufology as a Profession: A Manifesto" by J. Allen Hynek, Ph.D.
- "What the Government Would Know About UFO's if They Read Their Own
Documents" by Peter A. Gersten, J.D.
- "Faith, Theory and UFO's" by Rev. Barry H. Downing, Ph.D.
- "UFO - The Invisible Epidemic" by Budd Hopkins
- "Missing Time: A Psychologist Examines the UFO Experience" by
Aphrodite Clamar, Ph.D.
- "African Encounters: Case Investigations" by Cynthia Hind.
- "The Roswell Incident: Beginning of the Cosmic Watergate" by Stanton
T. Friedman and William L. Moore.
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1982: Symposium Theme: "UFO's Canada - A Global Perspective"
Location: Toronto, Canada
(104 pages) ($10.00)
- "Professionalism in UFOlogy" by Arthur Bray.
- "The UFO Phenomenon and it's Relationship to Parapsychological
Research" Dr. George and Iris Owen.
- "Predicting UFO Events and Experiences" by Michael A. Persinger, Ph.D.
- "A UFO Propulsion Model" by Frederick E. Alzonfon, Ph.D.
- "Radiation Sickness Caused by UFO's" by John F. Schuessler, M.S.
- "UFO Research: An International Perspective" by David Haisell.
- "Preparing for the Next UFO Flap" by J. Allen Hynek, Ph.D.
- "The Roswell Investigation: New Evidence in the Search for a Crashed
UFO" by William L. Moore.
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1983: Symposium Theme: "UFO's: A scientific Challenge"
Location: Pasadena, California
(181 pages) ($10.00)
- "Southern California's Straight-Line Mystery in UFO Sightings" by
Ann Druffel.
- "UFO Propulsion: Pulsed Radiation and Crystalline Structure" by Alan
C. Holt.
- "UFO Interference with Vehicles and Self-Starting Engines" by James
M. McCampbell.
- "A Review of Selected Aerial Phenomenon Sightings from Aircraft 1942
to 1952" by Richard F. Haines, Ph.D.
- "UFO's: Uncovering the Ultimate Answer" by William L. Moore.
- "The Continuing UFO Deception and Confusion Syndrome" by Paul C. Cerny.
- "Cattle Mutilations and the Imagined Culprits: A Psychological Per-
spective" by Peter A. Jordan.
- "Cattle Mutilations That Defy Conventional Explanations" by Walter H.
Andrus, Jr.
- "The Case Against E.T." by J. Allen Hynek, Ph.D.
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1984: Symposium Theme: "Extraterrestrial Intelligence: A Public Forum"
Location: San Antonio, Texas
(184 pages) ($10.00)
- "Public Information - Top Priority for UFOlogists" by Marge Christensen.
- "Countdown to Reality" by Paul B. Norman.
- "Animal Mutilations: A Decade of Mystery" by Thomas R. Adams.
- "Tribal Reactions to UFO's in Africa" by Cynthia Hind.
- "The Entity Enigma" by Hilary Evans.
- "UFO Secrecy 1984 - Big Brother is Watching Them" by Barry J.
Greenwood.
- "Cash-Landrum Case: Speculation About the Medical Effects" by John F.
Schuessler.
- "UFO Light Beams: Space-Time Projections" by Alan C. Holt.
- The Boomerang Mystery" by Philip J. Imbrogno.
- "Properties of The UFO Phenomenon" by J. Allen Hynek, Ph.D.
- "The Haunting of Kitley Woods-An Ongoing UFO Saga" by Budd Hopkins.
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1985: Symposium Theme: "UFO: The Burden of Proof"
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
(180 pages) ($10.00)
- "Shifting The Burden of Proof" by Mrs. Marge Christensen.
- "What We Have Learned from UFO Repetitions" by George D. Faucett.
- "The Fatal Encounter at Ft. Dix-Mcguire: A Case Study, Status Report
IV" by Leonard H. Stringfield.
- "The Evidence Supporting UFO Abduction Reports" by Budd Hopkins.
- "The Medical Evidence in UFO Cases" by John F. Schuessler, M.S.
- "The Influence of Hypnosis in the Investigation of Abduction Cases" by
David F. Webb.
- "Flying Saucers, Noisy Negativists and Truth" by Stanton T. Friedman,
M.S.
- "Physical Trace Landing Reports: The Case for UFO's" by Ted Phillips.
- "Crashed Saucers: Evidence in Search of Proof" by William L. Moore.
- "Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt" by Peter A. Gersten, J.D.
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1986: Symposium Theme: UFO's: "Beyond the Mainstream of Science"
Location: East Lansing, Michigan
(186 pages) ($10.00)
- "Scientists, UFO's and Anti-Scientific Thinking" by Marge Christensen.
- "The Case for E.T.: Within the Mainstream of Science" by Michael D.
Swords, Ph.D.
- "Bentwaters - What Do We Know Now?" by Raymond W. Boeche.
- "Setting the UFO Agenda" by Robert H. Bletchman, J.D.
- "Interstellar spaceports and Transportation Systems" by Alan C. Holt.
- "Abductions: The Consequence of Nonexistence" by David M. Jacobs, Ph.D.
- "A Scientifically Based Analysis of an Alleged UFO Photograph" by
Richard F. Haines, Ph.D.
- "Still in Default" by Bruce S. Maccabee, Ph.D.
- "Project Identification:Thirteen Years and One-Hundred and Sixty
Sightings Later" by Harley D. Rutledge, Ph.D.
- "Crash-Landrum UFO Case File: The Issue of Government Responsibility" by
John F. Schuessler, M.S.
- "Tribute to Dr. J. Allen Hynek"
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1987: Symposium Theme: "International Symposium on Unidentified Aerial Phen-
omena 1947-1987"
Location: Washington, D.C.
(222 pages) $15.00
- "The Italian Scene, 1947-1987: A round Up" by Dr. Roberto Pinotti.
- "History and Cultural Interpretation of UFO's in Southern Africa,
1947-1987" by Cynthia Hind.
- "Scientific Approach and Results of Studies into Unidentified Aerospace
Phenomena in France" by Jean-Jacques Velasco.
- "UFO's and India: Ancient and Contemporary" by Kanishk Nathan.
- "Ufology in Uraguay and Brazil" by Willy Smith, Ph.D. (UNICAT Project).
- "UFO Research in Britain" by Hilary Evans.
- "From Arnold to Hynek: The End of an Era" by David M. Jacobs, Ph.D.
- "Correlation Between the UFO Phenomenon and It's Associated Entities" by
Capt. Daniel Alberto Perisse.
- "Deception Island UFO Sightings" by Capt. Daniel Alberto Perisse.
- "Fourty Years of Ufology in Sweden" by Bertil Kuhlemann.
- "The UFO Mystery in Australia" by Bill Chalker.
- "A Historical Survey of UFO Cases in Chile" by J. Antonio Huneeus.
- "Characteristics of Close Encounters in Spain" by Vincente-Juan
Ballester Olmos (Biography Only).
- "History of UFO Reports in Canada: 1947-1987" by Stanton T. Friedman
(Biography Only).
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1988: Symposium Theme: "Abductions and the E.T. Hypothesis"
Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
(241 pages) $15.00
- "Hynek's Last Wish for Ufology" by Marge Christensen.
- "Encounter at Bluff Ledge: A UFO Case History" by Walter N. Webb.
- "UFO's: Four Questions for Theological Seminaries" by Rev. Barry H.
Downing, Ph.D.
- "The Fall and Rise of the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis" by Jerome Clark.
- "Public Reaction to Alien Contact: A Study" by Raymond W. Boeche.
- "Post-Abduction Syndrome" by David M. Jacobs, Ph.D.
- "UFO Abductions - The Skeleton Key" by Budd Hopkins.
- "A History of the Gulf Breeze, Florida Sighting Events" by Bruce S.
Maccabee, Ph.D.
- "MJ-12 and Philip Klass: What are The Facts?" by William L. Moore and
Stanton T. Friedman
______________________________________________________________________________
1989: Symposium Theme: "The UFO Cover Up: A Government Conspiracy?"
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
(233 pages) $15.00
- "The Mansfield Helicopter Case" by Jennie Zeidman.
- "Recent Field Investigations Into Claims of UFO Related Injuries in
Brazil" by Jacques Vallee, Ph.D.
- "The Cydonian Hypothesis" by John E. Brandenburg, Vincent DiPietro and
Gregory Molenaar.
- "A Hypothetical Plan for Crash/Retrieval" by Don Berliner.
- "Update on Operation Majectic - 12" by Stanton T. Friedman.
- "An Alien Harvest" by Linda Moulton Howe.
- "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good.
- "UFO Car Pursuits: Some New Patterns in Old Data" by Donald A.
Johnson, Ph.D.
- "The Chesapeake Connection: An Implication of Corporate Involvement
in the Coverup" by Robert L. Oechsler and Debby Regimenti.
______________________________________________________________________________
1990: Symposium Theme: "UFOs: The Impact Of E.T. Contact Upon Society"
Location: Pensacola, Florida
(201 pages) $15.00
- "UFO Extraterrestrials and the New Science" by Brian T. O'Leary, Ph.D.
- "Who Speaks for the Witness? Medical and Ethical Issues in Abduction
Research" by David A. Gotlib, B.Sc., M.D.
- "The Differences between Perceptions of UFOlogy in America and Europe"
by John L. Spencer
- "ET Contact: The Religious Dimension" by Dr. Barry H. Downing
- "On Mass Panic and Other Favorite Myths" by Robert L. Hall, Ph.D.
- "Current Gulf Breeze Events" by Ed Walters
- "The Fyffe Alabama Experience" by Carey H. Baker
- "UFO Abduction Cases in the Gulf Breeze, Florida Area" by Budd Hopkins
- "Experienced Anomalous Trauma: New Directions" by Rima E. Laibow, M.D.
- "The Rainbow Declaration and Human Destiny in the Cosmos" by John E.
Brandenburg, Ph.D.
- "New Revelations from Roswell" by Donald R. Schmitt
- "Red Skies: The Great 1989 UFO Wave in the U.S.S.R." by J. Antonio
Huneeus
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. As
usual my *disclaimer* is simply to present the data and let you form
your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or
ponder :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
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The following info is a compendium of various books,magazines,videos,etc
that users have recommended over a period of time.
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Date: 01-15-91 09:30
Tired of reading about the usual saucers and greys?
Take a look at GHOSTS OF THE AIR, by Martin Caidin. It's about paranormal
incidents which involve aircraft.
Caidin goes from ghostly pilots through pilotless aircraft to a precendent
for the famous Valentich disappearance. He also fires a delightful preemptive
broadside at CSICOP.
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Date: 01-17-91 09:12
Subj: Re: AIRSHIPS?
There is a new book out called "AURORA" that goes into the 1890's airship
sightings, especially the one that supposedly crashed into a windmill at
Aurora, Texas.
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Date: 01-11-91 12:00
Subj: Pyramids
MD> Does anyone out there have any idea's about UFO's being around in the
Egyptian days when the Great Pyramids were made?????
Check out this book:
THE SIRIUS MYSTERY, by Robert K.G. Temple
Destiny Books, 1 Park Street, Rochester, Vermont 05767
printed in 1976, their listerd price (in the book) is $12.95
Library of Congress Number: CD156.T45
Dewey Decimal Number: 001.94
This is an excellent book about just that subject. Well annotated, with
extensive bibliography, it obviously took a long time to put together. Also,
I must congratulate myself on the citation, something we could all use a bit
more of around here - thast is, actual sources cited, not just "I heard...."
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See MYSTERIOUS CANADA, written by John Robert Colombo, pages 389-391 for a
good reporting on the story of the vanishing village of Lake Angikuni.
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Date: 03-02-91 11:49
From: Mark Freel
JP> BE> With regard to the object SS433, we knew about this three years ago
JP>Where can I get more info on this?
There is a book - THE QUEST FOR SS433: THE DISCOVERY OF THE ASTRONOMICAL
PHENOMENON OF THE CENTURY, published by Viking Penguin (c) 1985. It was
written by David H. Clark, head of Space Astrophysics Group at Rutherford
Appleton Laboratory near Oxford. This has recently been available from one
the discounted book distributors - Edward R. Hamilton, Falls Village, CT
06031-5000 (full address). The stock number was 360449 and the cost would
$3.95 and $3.00 S&H.
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Date: 01-12-91 09:13
From: Jim Greenen
To: All
Subj: UFO journal of Facts
I received from Wendelle Stevens his new magazine called "UFO JOURNAL OF
FACTS". It's a must for your reading pleasure. The magazine is loaded with
some fine high quality pictures from his collection of phot's. Also the
articles that are printed are very interesting. One of the articles is
about a person that we hear on the BBs name Phil from Pensacola, FL.
This is a quarterly magazine and the price is $19.95 per year. To inquire
about getting this, write or send your money to:
UFO Journal of Facts
P.O. Box 17206
Tucson, AZ 85710
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Date : 21-Jan-91 0:57
From : Zach Copley
Subject : Re: List of English UFO magazines
_AMSKAYA_ - newsletter of the STAR fellowship - dedicated to peaceful contact
with friendly aliens. 4/yr. 2 pounds, Pay: Jimmy Goddard - 25 Albert Road,
Addlestone, Weybridge, Surrey.
_FLYING SAUCER REVIEW_ - been around for 30 years. 6/yr. Inquire for rates:
FSR Publications Ltd. P.O. Box 12, Snodland, Kent ME6 5HJ
_MAGONIA_ The flagship of "post modernist" ufology - debates the ufology,
folklore, athropology, sociology interface. 4/yr. $5.00. Pay: John Rimmer.
Dee Cottage, 5 James Terrace, Mortlake Churchyard, London SW14 8HB.
_NORTHERN UFO NEWS_ - News & investigations from the north of England,
including a ufology commentary by editor Jenny Randles. 6/yr. 6 pounds. NUFON,
37 Heathbank Road, Cheadle Heath, Stockport, Cheshire SK3 OUP
_QUEST: THE JOURNAL OF UFO INVESTIGATION_ - organ of the Yorkshire UFO Society
(YUFOS) edited by G.W. Birdsall. Irregular. 8 pounds. YUFOS, 106 Lady Ann Rd,
Soothill, Batley, W. Yorks WF17 OPY
_UFO BRIGANYIA_ - journal of the Independent UFO Network (IUN), edited by Andy
Roberts. 6/yr. 5.50 (pounds). UFO Brigantia, 84 Elland Rd, Brighouse, West
Yorks HD6 2QR, UK.
_UFO TIMES_ - New Journal of the British UFO Research Association (BUFORA),
edited by Mike Wooten. ?/yr. For membership: apply for details. BUFORA, 16
Southway, Burgess Hill, Sussex, RH15 9ST, UK.
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Date: 01-27-91 17:06
From: Glenn Reynolds
Subj: SMEAR
SAUCER SMEAR is an irregular newsletter type of thing edited by Jim Mosely
according to my latest info (1988). From what I understand, most of it is
devoted to a letters section where UFO researchers delightedly trash one
another's most cherished theories. I don't know if you can get an ordinary
subscription, but if you send a couple letters that make him think you're
funny enough or scrappy enough to add something to the fray, you'll get
onto the list. It sounds terrific. Here's the address, if you're
interested.
Saucer Smear
P.O. Box 1709
Key West, FL 33041
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To: All
Subj: UFO VIDEOS
I turned up the following films in a catalogue I have (which are available on
videotape [in VHS format only] from
Movies Unlimited, Inc.
6736 Castor Avenue
Philadelphia, PA 19149
1-800-523-0823 (24-hour order line)
1-215-722-8398 (customer service; 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. [EST])
1-215-725-3683 (FAX)
The descriptions of the films below are verbatim from their catalogue. I
cannot personally recommend any of the films because I haven't seen them.
(NOTE--A videodisc catalogue is also available.)
THE REAL E.T.
'Is anybody out there?' Peter Ustinov hosts an
engrossing documentary produced by Omni magazine
that looks at the search of life on other worlds,
the persistent claims of 'close encounters,' and
the possible colonization of space by Earth. 40
min.
64-3139 $12.95
UFOS AND CHANNELLING
Who better than Captain James T. Kirk to take you
into outer space and across the astral plane? Join
William Shatner for a video investigation into
sightings of 'flying saucers' and
extraterrestrials, and a look at the growing
interest in 'trance-channelling.' 60 min.
16-9013 $39.95
OVERLORDS OF THE U.F.O.
Examine the incredible-but-true stories of men and
women who have been kidnapped by extraterrestrials
and the amazing reasons behind this frightening
secret invasion.
08-1438 $29.95
WHO'S OUT THERE?
Are extraterrestrials really out there? Or are
they figments of sci-fi lovers' imaginations?
Orson Welles hosts this look at outer space life,
offering some amazing evidence you won't find
anywhere else!
50-1219 $19.95
UFOs: IT HAS BEGUN
Hosts Rod Serling, Burgess Meredith, and Jose Ferrer
present astounding evidence of the existence of UFOs
and examine the reasons behind determined coverup by
our government.
08-1439 $29.95
ENCOUNTER WITH THE UNKNOWN
Rod Serling ('Twilight Zone') narrates this dramatization
of three frightening real-life events. 90 min.
08-1204 $59.95
U.F.O....THE UNSOLVED MYSTERY
Tens of thousands of people have seen then, including
a former president of the United Staes. Host Mike
Farrell takes a look at the history of unidentified
flying objects using actual government reports,
eyewitness accounts, and purported photographs and
film footage.
54-5048 $19.95
UFOS
Part of the series _Secrets of the Unknown_ hosted by
Edward Mulhare ('The Ghost and Mrs. Muir'). Is Earth
regularly visited by beings from beyond our world? Are
we the subjects of alien scientific studies?
50-6339 $14.95
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Date: 01-28-91 20:18
From: John Powell
To: All
Subj: Questions on Clear Intent (Fawcett & Greenwood)
I just finished reading CLEAR INTENT: THE GOVERNMENT COVERUP OF THE UFO
EXPERIENCE by Lawrence Fawcett and Barry J. Greenwood. This is definately
the icing on the cake and I'm glad I read it _after_ reading Above Top Secret
(Good).
The 1st question I want to ask is: What's next? Where are all the FOIA
documents _after_ the mid-to-late 70's? How successful was Ronald Raygun in
castrating the FOIA process? Instead of those questions, can someone just
point me in the right (published) direction?
The word "meaconing" (pg. 86), in reference to an article published in MIJI
Quarterly (3Q/1978, Headquarters Electronic Security Command) is apparently
an Air Force classified word! How can anybody classify a word? What does it
mean? (Does the 'M' stand for microwave?)
Whatever became of the Cash/Landrum lawsuit against the US Gov't? Whatever
became of Cash/Landrum?
In an September 24, 1952, memo from the CIA'a Assistant Director of
Scientific Intelligence to the CIA Director regarding the national security
implications of UFOs, there's the following reference: "CIA consultants
stated that these solutions would probably be found..., with the added
possibility that the present dispersal of nuclear waste products might also
be a factor." (pg. 124) Does anyone know what this reference to nuclear
waste might mean? This is the first and only time I've come across this
idea, does anyone know of other references?
"Science stands for the investigation of the unexplained; not the explanation
of the uninvestigated." (pg. 128) Excellent, outstanding quote...
I don't remember the page number, but there is a reference to Dr. Paul
Bennewitz (I think it was him) taking pictures of UFOs using some special
film and/or developing process with a telescope, and silhouetting the shots
against the Moon. Is this verified? How could this method yield a useful
photograph? What has become of Bennewitz? What has become of all his photos
and videotape?
This last question is a huge question and I won't be bothered a bit if it is
ignored. Given the near total infiltration of NICAP by the CIA, what is the
suppossed 'condition' of MUFON and/or CUFOS regarding similar 'outside'
involvement? Given the government's apparent position of a national security
threat posed by UFOs, or at least a national security embarassment, should
'outside' involvement be considered bad/wrong?
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Date: 01-11-91 08:21
From: Lou Zucaro
To: Everyone
Subj: Contact UFO
CONTACT UFO will be (hopefully) hitting store shelves within two or three
months. My name is Lou Zucaro, and I am the Assistant Producer for the video
series. My collegues and I have been working for some time on this project,
and we're really very excited about it. It will be distributed by our parent
company, MPI Home Video (a trip to your local video store should reveal at
least a few MPI titles, and if not, I'd be glad to send you a catalog). Keep
in mind, however, that almost all of the titles by MPI are just distributed by
them, not produced by them. Contact UFO is different. We've shot interviews
and scenics at the 1990 MUFON symoposium, the Rocky Mountain UFO Conference in
Laramie, Gulf Breeze (althought I'm still not sure why...), Alamagordo New
Mexico, and Roswell. We're still shooting a few last minute things here in
the Chicago area (interviews) and we hope to have the program finished by the
second week in February.
The first tape in the series is on abductions, and we think people will find
in very interesting. I would really like to hear from anybody who has any
questions I might be able to answer on the subject (not that I'm an
encyclopedia on the subject or anything, but I do get to spend 40 hours a week
doing research - a benefit of doing a UFO project at work).
And, if anybody has any information on where I might be able to find any of
the following people, please let me know...
Wayne S. Alhold
Lenora Croft
Carl Anderson
Hunno Mayberry
MaryAnne Francis
Chief Frank Buckshot StandingHorse (yes, that's his name)
Any leads, no matter how tiny, will be greatly appreciated.
Lou Zucaro
The WPA Film Library
(708) 385-8535 In Illinois
(800) 777-2223 Out of state
(708) 385-8528 Fax
(708) 304-5403 my home number
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Subject: INFO: Are You A "Star Person"? Take This Test!
Keywords: Follow-ups to alt.alien.visitors
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Date: 04-19-91 19:43
From: William Ivey
To: All
Subj: Star People Quiz
Are you a "Star Person?" This quiz is based on a list of
characteristics of people that Brad Steiger seems to think might
have a touch of the star-brush in their background (i.e. alien
genes). The list was found in a 'zine called "Psychic & UFO
Revelations in the LAST DAYS" by Timothy Green Beckley (1980).
(I found a bunch of old UFO stuff at a garage sale. :-)
1. Do you have an unusual blood type?
2. Do you have a lower than normal body temperature?
3. Were you an "unexpected" child?
4. Do you have an extra vertebrae and lower back problems?
5. Do you seem to be hypersensitive to electricity, electromagnetic
force fields?
6. Do you have unusually sharp hearing and light-sensitive eyes?
7. Did you feel that your mother and father were not your real parents?
8. Do you complain of feelings of great urgency, like you have only a
short time to complete tasks?
9. Do you have low blood pressure?
10. Do you have chronic sinusitis?
11. Do you feel that your true ancestors came from another world or
dimension and yearn to go back?
12. Did you have unseen companions as a child?
13. Do you have natural talent for art, music, healing or acting?
14. Do you experience a buzzing or clicking noise in your ears prior to,
during some psychic events?
15. Did you have an unusual experience around the age of five which may
have taken the form of a white light, or a visitation by human-type
beings who gave information and comfort?
16. Have you maintained a continuing series of experiences with "angels",
"elves", "masters", or admitted UFO intelligences?
17. Do your dreams and/or artwork involve multi-moon environments?
18. Are children and animals attracted to you?
19. Do you do your best work at night?
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Subject: CONTACT: Peter Gutilla's Experience
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Taken from UFO MAGAZINE Vol 2, No 2 1987
APRIL 1985. "I've never committed this account to writing
until now, since it has always seemed very 'personal' to me.
But before another decade passes I suppose I should enter it
into the record." Peter Gutilla, metaphysical teacher,
researcher and psychic in southern California, thus begins his
moving account of an encounter that portends some sort of
return visit-by hidden observers who seem to have quite a
lofty bag-of tricks!
"It was near 1 a.m. on the morning of April 15, 1975.
After a meeting in Los Angles, I was driving home alone of the
Santa Ana Freeway, heading southeast in a small, dark blue,
1959 Mercedes coupe. The sky was clear and the weather
moderate. A few miles past the L.A. interchange, I'd just lit
a small cigar a friend had given me when a very clear voice
popped into my head, saying: "Is that a weapon?"
"Before I go on, I should emphasize that after years of
working with psychics, not to mention my own ESP experience
since childhood, my reaction to things inward had become more
than a little casual. So I replied in a perfunctory way, 'No,
this isn't a weapon' and then went on to describe the act of
smoking, ending with: 'Who wants to know?'"
"Immediately I looked to the southwest sky on my right,
out the front windshield. There, at about a 50-degree angle
and moving with me at what seemed to be the same speed, was a
ruby-red light traveling in an up/down, wave-like motion.
(Mentally I can 'see' that light in my mind as vividly as when
I saw it that day.) I 'knew' it was a UFO - not an airplane
or helicopter with a running red light, even though I was
unable to distinguish an outline that would indicate a solid
object."
"Intrigued, I asked: ' Are you following me?' The
answer came, 'yes.' I slowed to the right lane of the freeway
and the light slowed immediately, doing this several more
times as I repeated the maneuver to see if it would follow my
lead. Although I was calm at this point, I felt a growing
anticipation which prompted me to urge the light to stay with
me since I planned to exit the freeway a few miles ahead."
"The light remained steady in brightness and continued
its wavy flight alongside my car, seeming to slow down and
follow my turn as I left the freeway at Valley View Street in
La Mirada."
"I drove into an abandoned filling station (closed,
windows boarded) and parked. Now I could vaguely discern an
oblate, circular shape surrounding the light, which had
stopped a few hundred feet above a huge industrial lot, across
the street from me to the south. The area directly below the
object was completely dark with no cars anywhere around except
some sparse traffic on the freeway behind me."
"The irony of it was that to the object's right and
below was a restaurant packed with people, their only view
outside being a large window facing the freeway, in the
opposite direction from the hovering object. I remember
thinking, 'If they only knew what's hanging over their
heads!'"
"Stepping out of the car, I stood facing the completely
silent object. I waved my arms several times and the red
light blinking correspondingly, convincing me all the more
that it was indeed focusing its attention on me, and
coincidentally in the same place at the same time."
"I repeated the mental message: 'What do you want?'
Here an odd thing happened. For a quick moment I felt myself
'switch' to the object, and that's the only way I can describe
it - a switching of positions. In the space of a few seconds,
I was inside the object looking out of a bubble-like window at
myself standing near my car! There was no physical sensation
whatsoever, and I can only compare it to an out-of body
experience - but one that was clear and obvious - nothing
dream-like or imaginary about it. Following this, the object
swayed back and forth several times in a kind of pendulum
motion, still soundless and in the same position. Here, I
remember taking notice of a 'buzzing' sound in my head which
had increased in intensity, to the point of distraction. I'd
heard this sound before over the years, but never quite as
intense."
"I glanced at my watch. About 15 minutes had elapsed
from the time I'd left the freeway. Mentally, I said 'I'd
like to see your craft. Can you turn more lights on?'
Instantly port and starboard lights blinked on momentarily,
lighting up the entire body of the object. The lights blinked
on and off for only a few seconds, but it gave me enough time
to see its disc shape, and that it was grayish in color and
maybe 45-50 feet in diameter."
"With the blinking lights off, the red light glowed
steadily, swaying from side to side. Only a minute or so had
passed when I heard the noisy clatter of what I assumed to be
a police helicopter approaching from the west, shining its
intense spotlight to the ground intermittently. I said to
myself, 'Oh no - they're going to meet head on and I don't
have a camera!' As the helicopter approached, I thought for
sure it was going to hit the object, but strangely, the
aircraft passed very near the UFO, apparently unaware of its
presence!"
"The helicopter flew in a broad circle slightly south of
the UFO, shining it's spotlight to the ground and seemingly
taking no notice of the object whatsoever. As the helicopter
wandered about, gradually fading in the distance, I couldn't
help but wonder if somehow the UFO occupants were able to
selectively choose who saw them."
"I got back into my car, driving around the corner and
into an industrial lot. The object pivoted slowly as if to
keep itself oriented to my change of position, a move I could
see clearly as I entered the darkened area. I stepped from
the car and sent the thought: 'Can you land? I'd like to meet
with you.' A few seconds passed and the answer came, 'No, we
cannot - we are being watched... we will be back'"
"I recall being both disappointed and confused. Being
watched? Maybe it was risky for them to come in low over
populated areas. But why hadn't the helicopter seen them?
Being watched by whom? Their own people? Were others
watching from the ground, or could they have been referring to
radar, etc? At any rate, the object seemed to shrink in size
to a star-like pinpoint of bluish light. It moved westward in
the direction of the Pacific and was gone."
"Over 10 years have passed since the incident, and not a
day has gone by that I haven't thought about it. It has never
left me. Although it all took place in a brief span of time,
I know something significant happened; something simple and
profound."
"Since then, I haven't looked at the nighttime sky
without thinking I can hear a faint humming sound that
invariably brings to mind those parting words, '...we will be
back.'"
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Subject: SIGHTING: UFO/ET Sighting: Redmond, Washington
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your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or
ponder :-)
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exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
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MUFONET-BBS Network - Mutual UFO Network
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Investigative Sighting Report
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UNUSUAL REPORT OF A UFO AND A GREEN-FACED ENTITY
SEEN NEAR AN OLD U.S.A.F. NIKE MISSLE BASE
DATE: June 24, 1988
TIME: Sometime between 12:30 and 2:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
LOCATION: Redmond, Washington
DURATION: Estimates vary, around 7 minutes for sighting of UFO;
about 45 minutes total duration including sighting of
face, possibly longer
SOURCE OF SIGHTING: UFO Information Service (Goudie)
INVESTIGATORS: Donald A. Johnson, Ph.D., MUFON
Don Olson, MUFON
Rita Andreeva, MUFON
Four 11-year-old girls who had attended a private Christian
elementary school together were having a slumber party reunion at the
home of one of the girls on Education Hill in Redmond, Washington. At
a few minutes after either 12:30 AM or 1:30 AM they were looking out
the window to see if they could find the girl's dog. They were
downstairs in the TV room, while the parents and brother and sister of
the host were asleep upstairs. They witnessed a craft-like UFO,
described as either a domed-disc or two plates put together edge-to-
edge, hovering in the night sky. It had white and red lights and
possibly faint green lights around the rim of the object. Of the two
girls interviewed, both thought right away that it was a UFO (i.e.
"spacecraft"), and not an aircraft because it was similar to a picture
they had once seen in a book.
The UFO was hovering at about 30 degrees above the horizon when
first sighted. It was described as smaller than a house in size,
possibly 25 feet in diameter. The UFO moved to the right horizontally
about 10 degrees, reversed direction abruptly and moved back in a
straight line to the left 10 degrees, moved back to the right 5
degrees to a center position, and then moved really fast straight
down. It moved down behind some tall evergreen trees and the girls
thought that it probably came down in a clearing in Nike Park, about
3-4 blocks from the girl's home where they were staying. The UFO was
reported to be visible through the window of the TV room for a total
of between 2 and 7 minutes.
Some time later, within 15 minutes to a half an hour, two of the
girls witnessed a frightening face. The accounts of how the face
appeared to them varies. In one account the girls thought they saw
something like a shadow or a figure at the top of the stairs leading
up to the kitchen. The became scared and hid in their sleeping bags;
they zipped them over their heads and lay next to each other. They
conversed through the bags and agreed to look at the same time, so
that it would not be too scary. As they pulled the bags down from
over their heads they saw a dark, mossy green face only about arm's
length away. Really frightened, one of the girls pulled the sleeping
bag over her head, and when she looked out again in a few minutes, the
being was gone. The other girl's account said they were lying on
their backs trying to get to sleep and staring up at the ceiling when
all of a sudden they both saw this green face. She watched it for
about 45 seconds, "and then it just, went away". Asked if it just
vanished like it was a slide from a projector or something, she said,
no, it wasn't like that. It was just like a real face, but it was
green in color and it was looking at them. The second girl appears to
be unclear about how the face appeared because she also reports she
covered her head with the sleeping bag at one point but can't remember
when.
The face was described as greenish in hue, with red, glowing
eyes. Interviewed separately, both of the girls said there was
something like a dent in one of the cheeks. One girl said it looked
like the "face on Mars" photograph she saw in the newspaper about a
week later, while the other girl said it had pointy ears and bushy
eyebrows. When asked a direct question later about the pointed ears,
the second girl said she didn't remember any ears. If the face had
indeed been attached to a body, one girl figures that the being must
have been about 3 1/2 to 4 feet tall.
About 10 to 15 minutes later the second girl, who lived there,
saw a clump of rainbow colored lights slowly revolving in her kitchen
and flashing light all over the ceiling and refrigerator. The first
girl made a vague reference to lights in the kitchen but apparently
did not see the rainbow-colored clump of lights hovering in the
kitchen (the kitchen is partially visible from the TV room, up half a
flight of stairs).
The girls became noisy discussing what they had seen woke the
mother. The mother came down and ordered them to go to sleep.
Apparently nothing further happened that night.
Of the other two girls, they are certain that one saw what they
saw but would not consent to be interviewed by UFO investigators.
They are unsure what the fourth girl saw. The second girl, the one at
whose home the events occurred, reported that she had had a
precognitive experience during that previous day, recalling during a
croquet match that she had dreamed those exact events some weeks
before. She also reports that since the UFO incident she is no longer
subject to nose bleeds, which she reports have occurred to her
chronically throughout her life and also occur with her father. She
also said that a soccer injury to her knee no longer gave her any pain
after the encounter, and she attributes the healing to the event.
The neighborhood in which her home is located borders an old Air
Force Nike Missle base. Part of the property is now a Washington
State National Guard facility, part of it is deserted and belongs to
the local school district, and part of it has been converted to a
park. We talked to a staff sargent on the National Guard base who
reported that he was sleeping at the base on the night in question and
recalls nothing unusual. He reported that light aircraft tend to use
the base as a landmark and so overflights are frequent, and, during
the daytime hours, hot air balloons frequently come over the base from
the Sammamish River valley to land in some clearings to the east.
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Subject: INFO: OMNI Article On Abductions/Implants
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Date: 05-28-91 23:52
From: John Powell
Subj: OMNI Article: Abductions
From the June 1991 issue of OMNI, (Volume 13, #9, ISSN 0149-8711, OMNI
Publications, 1965 Broadway, New York, NY 10023-5965, $24/yr.)
From the Antimatter section, UFO Update: Can UFO researchers prove that
aliens are tagging and tracking humans with tiny devices in the body or
brain?
"But how can anyone know whether a reputed implant is real or not? How, some
UFO investigators have begun to wonder, can they authenticate an implant
should a sample emerge?"
Here's what a few had to say on that subject:
"One person addressing this issue is David Pritchard, a physicist at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology. According to Pritchard, no matter how
strange the structure or material of an alleged implant, if it is not some
'out of this world' material like 'heavy metals or quark matter' it won't be
possible to convince a lot of people. But, Pritchard adds, there are other
ways to skin the cat. For example, researchers could peg an insert as such
if it worked like a flashlight but was a hundred times brighter than any
flashlight on Earth. If the implant sent complex but unrecognizable signals,
he says, 'that would be pretty convincing as well.' Finally, Pritchard
believes, evidence would mount if investigators found the exact same type of
implant in numerous people making abduction claims."
"The technique [MRI: Magnetic Resonance Imaging] was tapped by reputed
abductee Whitley Strieber, who says he remembers the insertion of needles in
his head. His MRI brain scans, he adds, now show strange white spots. 'Are
the unknown objects in my brain an outcome of such intrusions?' Strieber
asked in his recent book, Transformation. Pritchard says the dots prove
nothing: they could be air bubbles. But a statistical argument could be
made he adds, if researchers can show that professed UFO abductees have
significantly more dots than a random control group."
"...UFO skeptic Phil Klass, who doesn't believe that aliens have ever come to
Earth, takes a different tack. First, he says, he would want to know 'where
the implant came from,' and would feel more confident if it had been removed
by a surgeon. Then, if it were something 'that could not form naturally in
the body,' he would want to know it if could be made with terrestrial
technology. If the answer to that is no, says Klass, 'I think you have your
proof.'"
"...Robert Sheaffer, author of The UFO Verdict, who says the whole question
of UFO abductions is dubious and that the idea of alien implants is
'certainly rubbish.' According to Sheaffer, the UFO is a slippery phenomenon
that always manages to fade away before the evidence becomes too convincing,
and alien implants are an example of this. 'Some people might be saying they
were kidnapped by aliens for the money,' says Sheaffer. 'Others might be
doing it because they really believe that they were abducted. But there is
not a shred of evidence to substantiate this claim. Alien implants are just
too good to be true.'"
"According to UFO abduction expert Budd Hopkins... a number of radiologists
are privately doing MRI scans on people who claim they have been abducted by
aliens -- and that the aliens have inserted devices in their bodies or
brains. But a neurosurgeon advised him that if, as claimed, implants exist
somewhere above the upper nasal passages, then they are near the optic nerve.
In that case, he says, 'it would be very risky for a surgeon to try to get
one out.' What does Hopkins say about the prospect of actually validating
these weird alien implants? 'It'd have devastating societal impact,' he
says. 'I am not looking forward to something like this.'"
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