Babylon 5 forums

Date: 29 Nov 92 22:13:32 EST
From: Matt Schmitt <MS@pacnet.pac.wesleyan.edu>
Subject: GIF legality...
To: b5@iastate.edu
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Okay, here's another GIF legality question for all of you....
    Suppose I were to get access to a video frame grabber (which I
might be able to do), and I were to capture images from the B5 promo
tape...  How legal/illegal do you all think that would be?  And if
the resounding answer is "I don't know!", and some mysteriously
appear at ftp.coe.montana.edu, I didn't do it...

                                Matt

Date: 29 Nov 92 22:17:04 EST
From: Matt Schmitt <MS@pacnet.pac.wesleyan.edu>
Subject: Re: marketing
To: techy@iastate.edu
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> I talked to Joe today... he has informed me (unofficially of course) that
> next week he is going to meet with the appropriate people at Warner
> about marketing items. ie: tshirts, toy guns, ya know-- all the goodies. ;D
>    I talked to him about putting the B5 logo patches on the list... and
> he said he'd definitely put it on the "first things to make" list.
>   oh well, hope everyone had a good Turkey-Day.  Me, I had to work today.
> ::groan::    Catch ya later!

    Yeah, I had a good time getting home for at least a couple days
and stuffing my face on every one of those days... Unfortunately, now
I won't be able to eat for several more days....
    As to the marketing, what I'd like to see are the really cool
jackets that I saw JMS and his wife wearing when there were at
Wishcon on Mass.  They were all black (can't recall if it was leather
or something else, though I think leather), with the B5 logo from the
actual show on the back (large), and a smaller version on the front.
They looked really awesome - I WANT one!
    Well, I just thought I'd mention it.  It's late, and I'd better
be going....
                                Matt

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 03:13:18 PST
From: Mark Yvanovich -LSOC at KSC <marky@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>
Message-Id: <9211301113.AA26012@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>
To: b5@iastate.edu
Subject: Re:  marketing


Troy writes:
>Oh.. as a side note... anything posted in this newsgroup is considered
>public domain except for comments by JMS.  Any publication of JMS's
>messages MUST have C) 1992 JMS on them.  Anything else, as is Usenet's
>policy, is fair game for publication and transmission to other systems.
>This message will self-destruct.

First off, I was under the impression that C) 1992 style copyrights were
not legally binding (it has to have the actual c inside a circle character).
Secondly, mail servers are not part of USENET, are they?  What rights are you
giving up by using a mail server?
Anybody out there with legal knowledge know anything about this?

Marky
--
"Never appeal to a man's 'better nature.'  He may not have one.
Invoking his self-interest gives you more leverage."
                                        -Lazarus Long

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 03:31:54 PST
From: Mark Yvanovich -LSOC at KSC <marky@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>
Message-Id: <9211301131.AA26029@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>
To: b5@iastate.edu
Subject: Re: quit mail

To     Beth Jean Stingl
       <bstingl@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>


From   B5 Prize Notification Board
       <b5@iastate.edu>


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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 07:08:50 MST
From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Message-Id: <9211301408.AA29463@nyx.cs.du.edu>
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responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users.
To: b5@iastate.edu, marky@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re:  marketing

>Secondly, mail servers are not part of USENET, are they?  What rights are you
>giving up by using a mail server?

Ugh...  PLEASE!  This is not a ridiculous "copyright" mailing list.

The intent when one says "please leave (c) Copyright JMS" is quite
plain and simple.  If you want to debate meaningless nonsense about
"copyrights and mail servers" (???), please don't do it here!

 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 06:16:01 PST
From: Mark Yvanovich -LSOC at KSC <marky@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>
Message-Id: <9211301416.AA26163@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>
To: b5@iastate.edu
Subject: oh..

>>Secondly, mail servers are not part of USENET, are they?  What rights are you
>>giving up by using a mail server?
>
>Ugh...  PLEASE!  This is not a ridiculous "copyright" mailing list.
>
>The intent when one says "please leave (c) Copyright JMS" is quite
>plain and simple.  If you want to debate meaningless nonsense about
>"copyrights and mail servers" (???), please don't do it here!

Oh geez... sorry... I was just wondering... <<shrug>> Maybe I was still
asleep.

Marky
--
"If you happen to be one of the fretful minority who can do creative
work, never force an idea; you'll abort it if you do.  Be patient and
you'll give birth to it when the time is ripe.  Learn to wait."
                                        -Lazarus Long

From: Lee_Whiteside-P14942@email.mot.com
Date: 30 Nov 92 15:51:07 GMT
To: b5@iastate.edu
Subject: Copyrights and such.
Message-Id: <00036B09.MAI*/G=LEE/S=WHITESIDE-P14942/PRMD=AZDA/ADMD=MOT/C=US/@ilbe>

To clarify things in regards to adding copyrights to posts by JMS.  He has
said on both GEnie and Compuserve that posts he makes about Babylon 5 can
be "reprinted" elsewhere as long as they are noted "Copyright 1992 J. Michael
Straczynski".  In most cases, text sent to the mailing list containing posts
from Joe will be from GEnie or Compuserve.

BTW, anyone want to lay odds on whether a "Woody Harper" will turn up in a B5
episode in some manner (most likely negative)?

I did pass along to Woody Joe's compuserve ID # so he could send him some
email about his post.  He'd tried sending email to Joe on GEnie, but unless he
has signed up for it, he would not have access to internet mail on GEnie.
(Yes, Woody Harper is his real name, he's even got a Babylon 5 t-shirt from
Joe at Comicon and was wearing it Saturday when I saw him).

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:55:25 -0600
From: techy@iastate.edu
Message-Id: <9211301755.AA21044@iastate.edu>
To: b5@iastate.edu
Subject: GIF, legalities.. etc.

  Well, I finally got word from Joe about the GIF issue... he says
he isnt sure about the legalities involved..   but as long as I dont
tell him I am doing it... it doesnt really matter.  Heh.  So....
The next couple mailings from me will be two B5 logos in uuencoded
format.  If you are unsure as to how to decode these, check with your
system administrator.

ONE FINAL NOTE:   I am distributing these GIF files this way for a reason!
They are relatively small.. about 10K each...  PLEASE!!! Do not attempt
to transmit files larger than 20K via the mail list...   ie:  The great
scans Doug did.. they will overload many mail systems and are quite
annoying to some people.

Thanks.
  -Troy

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:03:57 -0600
From: techy@iastate.edu
Message-Id: <9211301803.AA21501@iastate.edu>
To: b5@iastate.edu

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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:06:10 -0600
From: techy@iastate.edu
Message-Id: <9211301806.AA21605@iastate.edu>
To: b5@iastate.edu
Subject: Maybe i should clarify...

That last message may heve left the wrong impression.. i am NOT doing this
behind Joe's back.. the email i received from him SAID not to tell him about
it.   In other words.. any GIF files distributed around the internet
do not need to be approved.. do not SEEk approval.. just distribute them.
   But be warned about publishing... those things get around.  I must admit
I cracked down on a Canadian Trek 'zine last year and it got nasty.
  Oh well, hope you enjoy the GIFs!
   -Troy

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:42:03 -0500
From: mab@buphy.bu.edu (Michael Burstein)
Message-Id: <9211301942.AA15921@buphy.bu.edu>
To: b5@iastate.edu
Subject: Copyright law
Cc: ]@buphy.bu.edu

I know that this is not a list on copyright law, but since the subject has
come up:

No, you do not need to put the circle c (c) (sort of) in a copyright notice
for it to be valid. A simple "copyright year by John Doe) is perfectly
fine.

However, if a post is made without a copyright notice by the person who feels
as if they hold a copyright notice, then they're in trouble, because the
post has just fallen into public domain. If on the other hand, they give
permission for someone else to reprint their post, and that other person
forgets to attach the copyright notice, it's still safe. Got it?

(This post copyright 1992 by Michael A. Burstein. Permission is given to
distribute this document freely by any subscriber to the Babylon 5 mailing
list out of iastate.edu to any other mailing list, bulletin board, or
other electronic media that is on the Internet. All other rights reserved.)

Michael A. Burstein
Physics Department, Boston University         mab@buphy.bu.edu
590 Commonwealth Ave.                         (617) 353-9437 (o)
Boston, MA 02215                              (617) 735-9433 (h)

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 16:59:34 -0600
From: techy@iastate.edu
Message-Id: <9211302259.AA06970@iastate.edu>
To: b5@iastate.edu
Subject: Gonna scan...

Hiyas!  I just did some reading of JMS's articles in Writer's Digest magazine over
over the past 4 years.. some neat stuff...  I also checked out two of his
books.... im going to try and do a scan from the one published in 1990...
but dont tell him, ok?? Heh.  Oh well, catch ya later!

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