Info-ParaNet Newsletters March 18th 1991

                 Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 379

 

                            Monday, March 18th 1991

 

Today's Topics:

 

                             Hatonn And The Pleiades

                                   GB sighting

                                    Re: Ss433

                                       ME

          Goof

                that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness!

                                     (none)

                                Red Light Special

                             Re: HAATON STUFF, ETC.

                             PHILISOPHICAL CONCERNS

                                    New Echo

                         Unusual Aircraft Illuminations

                               Public Opinion Poll

                                 Re: Bill cooper

                                      Goof

                               Fireball clippings


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From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)

Subject: Hatonn And The Pleiades

Date: 15 Mar 91 22:43:00 GMT



 > From: ddrasin@well.sf.ca.us (Dan Drasin)




Thank you for your posting on the Phoenix Journals and Hatonn.


It is not so much that I don't believe that "channeling" is real, but more, 

what scientific methods can be applied to study the phenomena?  I was talking 

with a person the other day who told me that there have been some solid-based 

scientific research done regarding psychic phenomenon.


Does anyone have any information relating scientific research being conducted 

to validate psychic phenomenon?


Mike


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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)

Subject: GB sighting

Date: 12 Mar 91 07:19:00 GMT


STRANGE LIGHT IN SKY DRAWS ATTENTION


by David Baker, THE GULF BREEZE SENTINEL, March 3, 1991.


  On February 23, 1991 two Pensacola men were sighing on the three mile bridge. 

AT approximately 7:50 p.m. the fishermen's attention was drawn to a bright red 

light which suddenly appeared over Gulf Breeze.

  The two men said the light would dim then come back bright red, stay that way 

for a while and then dim again, all the while moving slowly in their direction. 

They detected no sound from the object.

  Before the object disappeared it blinked to green momentarily, changed to a 

brilliant white and slowly faded away. The sighting lasted about four minutes 

and there were nine additional witnesses.


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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)

Subject: Re: Ss433

Date: 14 Mar 91 13:50:00 GMT


Mike; from I have heard, there has been a lot of articules been 

written on this object because it is different from anything that 

they have detected. There are other Ufologist that are also 

interested and are keeping tabs on SS433. I wish I could tell you 

more but can't at this time. But from passed history, we are 

sometimes not told the whole truth about certain things. And this we 

are told for are on good. I think that SS433 maybe one of those half 

truths. Maybe some of the readers of this echo might have some 

information that they would like to share on this subject. 

   If you get the feeling that I'm side stepping this, I am because 

I don't want anybody to get into trouble.   73's   ---Jim---

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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)

Subject: Goof

Date: 14 Mar 91 14:11:02 GMT


Mike; So much for trying to edit a line. I tried to say that I 

talked to John Hicks last week and look on Page 13 through 20 in 

February issue of "The Missing Link".     ---Jim---

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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)

Subject: that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness!

Date: 14 Mar 91 18:56:01 GMT



  How about that maybe a ufo used the fireball as cover, so as to be 

hidden from radar until it could drop below radar coverage. 

Speculation, of course.


                                           jbh


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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)

Subject: (none)

Date: 14 Mar 91 18:58:02 GMT



  I'm no kind of expert on flares, but generally they really mess up 

radio communications and a strong flare can cause an aurora in 

latitudes much closer to the equator than ordinarily.

  UTC (GMT, Zulu) is five hours ahead of EST.


                                           jbh


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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)

Subject: Red Light Special

Date: 14 Mar 91 19:03:03 GMT



 > I am not too sure that we can dismiss balloons yet.  I recall

 > that there was something done with balloons there about a year

 > ago as a joke.


  Some kids let loose balloons with a light attached across a softball 

field. It was a very low-level, short-lived event, complete with a 

police apprehension of the kids.

  While I agree that at least some of the red light sightings are 

probably hoaxes, I think we'd really need to examine all the red light 

events in order to draw any valid conclusions or opinions. And it's 

very difficult to get all those reports together.


                                           jbh


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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)

Subject: Re: HAATON STUFF, ETC.

Date: 14 Mar 91 18:41:43 GMT


What's the number? I have a friend whyo would be very interested in this 

material. Personally the catalog would be something to see. Concentration 

camps in the US? Sure they are going to be over filled with criminals, 

because we already have the highest level of imprisonment, even more than the 

ruskies. Meanwhile what does all this Othave to do with Paranormal or UFO's, 

there must be some titles in there about aliens taking over or something? Any 

clues as to the base origin of these articles?

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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)

Subject: PHILISOPHICAL CONCERNS

Date: 14 Mar 91 18:57:55 GMT


I read your continuing debate with boredom at many points. The reason is not 

what you have stated or in some cases what others propose, but because of the 

nit picking out of your statements, mis-quoting, and goal-less attacks on 

motives or people. (that may have been unclear, I meant picking parts out of 

your statements without concern for the whole of the material, then arguing 

one word instead of a concept)

 

My answer is in this case: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't 

teach it to do the back stroke!" 

 

Keep trying Rick!

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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm)

Subject: New Echo

Date: 16 Mar 91 01:56:00 GMT


This is to announce that ParaNet Information Service has started a new echo to 

be carried on the FidoNet backbone.  It is a general UFO echo which will be 

available to anyone wishing to carry it without having to join the ParaNet 

Network.  Its purpose is to assure that a balanced conference is provided for 

the uninitiated enthusiast who wishes to learn more about the phenomenon.  Any 

Fidonet sysop or alternate network sysop who wishes to carry it is encouraged 

to netmail Michael Corbin @ 1:104/422 or Paul Faeder @ 1:268/102.


ParaNet


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From: anubis.network.com!logajan

Subject: Unusual Aircraft Illuminations

Date: 16 Mar 91 20:17:35 GMT


From: logajan@anubis.network.com (John Logajan)


One of my associates reports that he was out for an evening walk with his

dog here in the Minneapolis area last week when a high altitude aircraft

shined an incredibly bright light directly down on him.  The aircraft was

almost directly overhead when the beam passed over him.  This rules out

landing lights as they point forward and down, and not just down.  He said

the beam passed over him very quickly, probably at the ground speed

equivalent of the aircraft's velocity.


By high altitude he probably meant no longer able to distinquish aircraft

shape (at night).  And he described the brightness as 'daylight.'  The

aircraft had normal lights otherwise.



- John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428

- logajan@ns.network.com, 612-424-4888, Fax 612-424-2853





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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm)

Subject: Public Opinion Poll

Date: 16 Mar 91 06:30:00 GMT


To All:


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We hope that you will provide us with a reply as this is your network, and our 

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Thank you.


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From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen)

Subject: Re: Bill cooper

Date: 14 Mar 91 05:25:54 GMT


>    Don't throw all of Bill Cooper away but put it off to the side if

> you think its garbage. I have not done or tried to Channel aliens but

> have sat in on some sections and found them to be most interesting. I

> have not made a determination if what I see or hear is real but I

> won't throw it away as garbage. I have no proof that its real or not,

> so its a part of my puzzle. If you must close your mind to all what

> Bill Cooper, Hatonn or what ever, then you might as well join the Bay

> Area Skeptic group.

 

Dear Jim --

 

Perhaps you've forgotten (or somehow overlooked) that I was the fellow 

who spoke up _against_ removing Bill Cooper's files from our download

directories, and was the only sysop in these parts to do so.  Maybe you 

and I can form a Wild Bill Protection society, against the closed-minded

Paranet hordes.  ;-)

 

I've always been strongly in favour of open-mindedness -- as long as 

your mind isn't so open that things flutter in and out.

 

Best Regards,

Rick Moen, Secretary

Bay Area Skeptics

Member, Electronic Communications Subcommittee, CSICOP


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From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)

Subject: Goof

Date: 15 Mar 91 20:06:03 GMT


In a message of <14 Mar 91  07:11:02>, Jim Greenen (1:363/29) writes:


 >Mike; So much for trying to edit a line. I tried to say that I talked to 

 >John Hicks last week and look on Page 13 through 20 in February issue of 

 >"The Missing Link".     ---Jim---


 Jim, what's "the Missing Link"? A newsletter or magazine? If so can you

provide subscription information? Thanks!



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From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)

Subject: Fireball clippings

Date: 17 Mar 91 22:42:00 GMT


Copyright 1991. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.


   PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- A brilliant fireball that looked like "a boomerang on

its side" with a greenish-red tail streaked on Wednesday across the sky over

much of the Northeast, authorities said.

   The fireball flashed over southeastern Pennsylvania shortly after 3 a.m.,

according to Jim Krimm, an air traffic controller at Philadelphia 

InternationalAirport. A pilot radioed that it "appeared to be the mother of 

all meteors," Krimm said. "He said he had never seen anything in all his time 

flying." Observers in Atlantic Highlands, N.J., and Ithaca, N.Y., and from 

southwestern New Hampshire to Bangor, Maine, reported seeing the fireball. 

Federal Aviation Administration representatives said pilots reported the 

fireball to several airports in northern New Jersey. "This was big," said New 

York state trooper Richard Haas. "I've seen shooting stars before and this 

was nothing like that." FAA spokeswoman Diane Spitalieri said pilots who 

called airports in Teeterboro, N.J., and Garden City, N.J., said the bright 

light was moving back and forth over New York City. Mark Barton, a police 

officer near Boston, said it looked like a "a boomerang on its side. A 

cluster of lights with a big red firetail behind it." Stan Gordon of the 

Pittsburgh-based Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained, a 

clearinghouse for UFO reports, said he received reports describing a fireball 

that lasted five to six seconds, with a green tail mixed with some red color.



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From Associated Press, later. Same restrictions apply.


AP 03/06 19:48 EST V0679



Copyright 1991. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.


   PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- People from Maine to West Virginia reported a 

brilliantfireball in the sky early Wednesday, offering descriptions ranging 

from "the size of a Volkswagen" to the shape of a "boomerang on its side." 

"This was big," said New York state trooper Richard Haas. "I've seen shooting 

stars before and this was nothing like that." People in West Virginia, 

Virginia, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New 

Hampshire and Maine reported seeing the bright light, moving from west to 

east, about 3 a.m. Philadelphia air traffic controller Jim Krimm said he took 

three phone callsreporting it. One pilot radioed that it "appeared to be the 

mother of all meteors," Krimm said. Many witnesses said the object appeared 

to have a green-and-red tail and litup the sky for about five seconds before 

it disappeared over the horizon. Haas said he was driving in Danby, N.Y., 

when he and his partner saw the bright light in the western sky. "It appeared 

to be real low," Haas said. "We opened our windows to listen for a crash, but 

we didn't hear anything." In Atlantic Highlands, N.J., Danny Fletcher, 23, 

said he had just returned home from work when he saw the speeding light close 

to the horizon. "At first, I thought it was a Scud missile," he said. Mark 

Barton, a police officer near Boston, said it looked like "a boomerang on its 

side. A cluster of lights with a big red fire tail behind it." "It was green 

in color. I'd say it was about the size of a Volkswagen," saidpolice Sgt. 

John Huyett in Martinsburg, W.Va. What people saw most likely was a 

low-flying meteor that burned brightly from the friction of entering the 

Earth's atmosphere, said Walter Webb, manager of planetarium observations at 

the Charles Hayden Planetarium in Boston. "It's not unusual for fireballs to 

be seen over an area of several hundred miles," Webb said. Derrick Pitts, an 

astronomer at the Fells Planetarium of the Franklin Institute in 

Philadelphia, said the object likely eventually broke up. James Cornell of 

the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory in Cambridge, Mass., said the 

object either disintegrated in the atmosphere or fell into the Atlantic 

Ocean, based on its west-to-east trajectory. "About 95 percent of these 

meteors disintegrate in the atmosphere, usually about 30 or 40 miles above 

the earth's surface," Cornell said. Cornell and Webb said they had been in 

contact with federal officials, who were not tracking any satellites that 

might have fallen to Earth at the time.



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From Internet-CIS E-mail, forwarded by Jim Shaffer:

Subj:  Long Island UFO reported


Clark Matthews announced a UFO sighting on Paranet which seems like it's

probably connected to the fireball that we were discussing in the

Issuesforum. (Either it's connected, or it's a really unfortunate

coincidence -- unfortunate because the debunkers will point to the fireball

and ignore the rest of the reports.)


Here's the article -- it looks like this case is going to be a big one, no

matter what the media do with it!


>From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)

>Subject: Long Island UFO

>

>Preliminary reports indicate sightings of a large, spherical,

>slow-moving object with four "exhaust-like" lights and vapor trails.

>The object was whitish blue and was observed to change course and

>possibly altitude.

>

>It was first observed over the borough of Queens in New York City at

>around midnight 3/5/91 and was last observed by two police officers

>in Mastic in eastern Long Island three hours later.

>

>Observations were reported from aircraft and witnesses on the

>ground.

>

>Further updates will come as soon as the information is available &

>verified.

>

>Best,

>  Clark

>

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From CIS Issues, section 10:


#: 103325 S10/Paranormal Issues

    11-Mar-91  00:11:40

Sb: #102464-Eastern US Fireball

Fm: James T. Sullivan 76210,1244

To: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667


Thanks for the return on the UFO/Fireball. Other oddball things have been

coming to my attention since the night of the sightings. It seems two of my

employees are convinced what they saw was a real entity, under some apparent

intentional control, moving without consideration of basic aerodynamic

properties, and executing these moves quite rapidly. One of the oddball things

I have noticed, as if this story wasn't enough, was the manner they spoke 

aboutthe sighting: they both get quite emotional (and they're not the 

fantasy- prone type) when I asked them what they were doing immediately prior 

to the sighting.They appear to have had some sort of memory lapse. And they 

also appear to be unduly upset by this lapse. Jim Sullivan


Read action !pare

#: 102464 S10/Paranormal Issues

    07-Mar-91  14:00:22

Sb: #102384-#Eastern US Fireball

Fm: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667

To: James T. Sullivan 76210,1244 (X)


What really gets me is that an FAA spokewoman told the AP that two pilots had

(separately) seen and reported the fireball moving back and forth over The Big

Apple. Isn't that a first?


There are 2 Replies.


Read action !pare


#: 102384 S10/Paranormal Issues

    07-Mar-91  03:00:18

Sb: #102263-#Eastern US Fireball

Fm: James T. Sullivan 76210,1244

To: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667 (X)


Two police officers and several of my friends saw the "fireball". I live

Burlington, MA, where a lot of the action took place. Two of my employees told

me they saw it hover, under apparent control, and display some lighting 

effects(blue beams). Another weird coincidence: I have a friend in the movie 

biz who sculpted Alien's for Communion. I have one sitting on my desk as a 

big paperweight. Several people I frequently do business with can't tolerate 

the sculpture in the room with them and I'm always forced to remove it. They 

have no interest in paranormal events (almost overly derisive of the subject) 

- theyshare that aversion. They are from this area.


The day before the "fireball" appeared here, one of these skeptics stormed 

intomy office to tell me his 9 year old daughter woke him, complaining of 

little alien creatures in her bedroom. He scoffed, sent her to bed, behaving 

like a good skeptic (he didn't even give her a plausible "bad dream" 

explanation).


Another employee told me today that it woke her right out of bed. I asked her

how - sound, light, smoke? She has no recall. Radio stations have been buzzing

with call-in's all day. Keep in mind that this is not Mayberry RFD, but a 

largehigh-tech sector, just ten minutes from Boston.


Jim Sullivan 76210,1244




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