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From: rxxgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Rey Evans)

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Subject: what about the last 44 years ?

Summary: more imfo req.

Keywords: ?

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It is with some interest I read about the capture (alledged) of

aliens and their craft in 1947 by the U.S. Govt., but that was

44 years ago ! Has nothing come to light since then ? No other

imformation ? No other CRASHES ? Someone MUST know more about this

incident if not any others...how can this still be such a secret ?

GRE.

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From: marz@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.zam)

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Subject: KLAS in Las Vegas...

Keywords: Video Tape, S-4, George Knapp

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Has anyone got a video tape copy of the 9 part series that

George Knapp did for KLAS in Las Vegas, Nevada?  After reading

discussions on this news group, I called them for a copy.  They

said that they had to refuse, due to the overwhelming demand

for copies.  This 9 part series severely overloaded their ability

to dub copies.

How do "I" get a copy?  Can anybody help?

Thanks in advance,

Martin Zam

(201)564-2554

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From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)

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Subject: Re: That Face on Mars!!!

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Date: 10 Jul 91 18:06:32 GMT

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If we are going to revive this here debate (and it sure seems like round 'n' 

is about to begin if it is not already begun) here (just offhand) are the 

possible explanations of the face (not in what I consider order of probability,

BTW):

a) it is not an intelligent artifact; it is merely 

a1) a trick of light and shadow (BTW, there exist two viking photo-

    graphs of the face and surrounds from significantly different sun

    angles; it retains its faceness and there have been some interest-

    ing stereometric studies).

a2) carved out by erosive processes.

b) it is an intelligent artifact made as:

b1) a stonehenge type of astronomical observatory

b2) a 'Sentinal' type beacon

b3) something else entirely

   by

ba) native martians who:

ba1) just happen to have a strong resemblance to 

     humans

ba2) just happened to make something that resembles

     a human for some unknown reason

ba3) eventually colonized earth

bb) ancient terran colonists of mars

bc) common ancestors of both terrans and martians, coming from

    somewhere else

bd) none of the above (see b2)

c) none of the above.

I personally lean towards b2/bb; your mileage may vary.

josh

Article: 1152 of alt.alien.visitors

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From: craig@attcan.UUCP (Craig Campbell)

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Subject: Re: That Face on Mars!!!

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Date: 10 Jul 91 17:54:21 GMT

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In article <1991Jul10.110634.16810@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> woodc@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Chris Wood) writes:

 

>  I would like to point out that all of the faces that have been carved into

>stone (or whatever) on Earth are all facing a horizontal direction (as far

>as I know), we have no 'faces' on Earth that face straight up. 

What about those pictograms scattered about?  You know, the bugs etched into

the desert or some such thing.  Of course there are those who argue that 

aliens created these as well.

Go figure...

craig

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From: billy@anasaz.UUCP (Bill Moore)

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Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup

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Date: 10 Jul 91 15:02:41 GMT

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In article <316@jabaru.oz.au> 00195@tanus.oz.au (Brian Evans) writes:

>

>johnr@systech.bjorn.COM (John Reed) writes:

>>I am not an expert in UFO-ology (or whatever it's called), but to

>>me, as a layman, the evidence seems overwhelming that a crash happened

>>at Roswell, and UFO's are definitely for real.

What evidence do you know about that supports the crashed UFO claim?  Aside

from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We

know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's

ample proof of that.  But how do you get from military secret to UFO?

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From: jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later)

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Subject: Re: Mars Face.

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I remember "someone" posting information regarding the

availability of large wall mount "posters" of the Mars Face

for sale????

Anybody know where I can get one of these?

Thanks in advance!

Jeff Later   jeffl@pmafire.inel.gov

Article: 1158 of alt.alien.visitors

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From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen)

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Subject: Re: Drive System & Navigation

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Robert Dinse states 

>     I am interested in the mechanical aspects of the crafts, the power 

>source, how the drive system works, is it capable of faster than light 

>travel and if so how this is achieved, and how navigation is handled.

I would like to introduce you to two of my favorite, favorite people.

Samjese, I would fly on her beamship any time and Billie Meier, I still

hope to make it to Switzerland to met him.  Samjese showed up in

Billies head around 1975 or 76 and said telepathically, come outside

to so and so location and I will show you my beamship. Well he did,

and she did. They had over 130 meeting, Billie took over 500 photos,

recorded sounds of the beamship, took movie footage and actually

got to fly on it a few times.  He was one armed so instead of sitting

there and taking notes while they were talking. Samjese had the

beamships computer record their conversations and the computer

would telepathically transmit them back to Meier when he was home

in front of the typewriter.  Samjese actually took the typewriter aboard

the beamship to see at what speed to have the computer

telepathically transmit the information.

So the below is reprinted with permission from the book Message

From the Pleiades by Wendelle Stevens it is from the Fourth Contact

Saturday, 15 February 1975 Copyrighted by Wendelle Stevens

Meier-  My next question concerns what you have already explained

to me in our first meeting, that Earth men would never be able to

travel the Universe if they did not invent another method of

propulsion. I can only imagine here that you mean a form of radiation

propulsion, a hyper-drive, so to speak. In my opinion that must treat

of a drive which in some way changes matter, likely beyond the

speed of light, and by that the beamships enter a hyper-space,  in

which space and time are paralyzed, as you already explained. I

assume that space and time in such a way collapsing into each other

are somehow completely dissolved.

Semjase-  26/ You take  honors  as a scientist.   27/ When we

consider then, that all your knowledge consists of autodidactical

work, it is phenomenal.  28/ You are completely right in your

assumption.  29/ For traveling through cosmic space, a drive is

necessary which surpasses the speed of light by millions of times.

30/ But this propulsion can only come into action when the speed of

light has already been reached. 31/ From that it follows that a further

drive is needed regulating normal speed up to that of light. 32/ This

means then that a beamship needs two drives, first the normal which

accelerates up to the speed of light, and then a second for the

hyperdrive, as you call it.  33/ A drive then, which generates a

million-fold, and billion-fold, the speed of light, thus the hyper-speed

by which hyper-space is penetrated. 34/ A space in which the mass

increases in relation to speed. 35/ So time and space collapse, and

they become zero time and zero space. 36/ This means time and

space cease to exist. 37/ And exactly by that, distances of numerous

lightyears are traversed in a fraction of a second, with no time lag.(2)

Meier-  Does this mean that for a beamship and its passengers, the

same time passes as on the home planet, or another star?

Semjase-  38/ Surely.    39/ When,  for example,  we  leave the

Pleiades and need about 7 hours to get to Earth, then on our own

planet, and on Earth,  7 hours pass.   40/ We need this long because

we first have to fly beyond the reach of the planets by normal

propulsion, and only far out in space can we convert to hyperspeed.

41/ Back from the hyperspace then, far outside your solar system,

we convert to normal drive. 42/ We are never allowed to enter

hyperspace too near to a planet...

Meier- This is very interesting, but how, essentially, does such a

hyper-drive work, and what happens to the normal drive?

Semjase-  50/ I am not allowed to give you closer details on this,

because if Earth scientists knew more details they would have

solved their drive problems already in a short time.   51/ This is not in

our cosmic interest, as the Earth human is still not free enough to fly

in cosmic space. 52/ But he will in a given time solve the problem

himself, which is not far off.   53/ I am only allowed to give so much of

this secret, many of your scientists already being on the right track

and working and conducting research on the necessary propulsions.

54/ I am only allowed to say this concerning propulsions; your

scientists are already working on lightemitting drives.   55/

Light-emitting drives work for normal propulsion,  and move the

beamships near planets and until they are a safe distance away.  56/

there (another drive) is activated when greater distances are to be

overcome. 57/ That is for the hyper-propulsion system, which

surpasses time and space.  58/ We call both of these propulsions by

other designations, but the sense is similar.  59/ We have another

language than Earth humans, and so I have to explain it to you in

terms which you understand.

Meier- That is evident, yet I do not understand how such a drive

functions.  I  understand the  emittance,  and  the meaning of

"tacheons", but I cannot imagine the actual process by which they

result in propulsion. Can you tell me more about this?

Semjase-  60/ No, I am not allowed to do so, because it might reveal

the secret of the whole drive, and also the generating and

harnessing of tacheons;  and the same with the emittance drive.

Meier- Thank you, that suffices, for I do not want to urge you. One

thing still interests me. If I consider right, then the form of the

beamship plays no decisive role, yet a discform would be the more

ideal because, aerodynamically, in an atmosphere,  it surely offers

the  least resistance, which would also be the case in water.

Semjase- 61/ Surely so,  you have struck a point.   62/ But taken in

all,  the form really plays little part.  63/ The disc-like form vouches

the least resistance, and also offers the largest surface,  to enable

the drives on them to be most effective.

Meier-  This is evident, but how is it possible for a beamship in the

gravity of a planet, or in its  atmosphere, to attain such great speed

without glowing, or the passengers succumbing to the huge

pressures?

Semjase-  64/ This is very easy to explain, and also no secret any

more to Earth humans, at least not the scientists; the beamship is

surrounded by a protection-beam-girdle, which allows every

interference  to glide away, without pushing. 65/  The same also

happens in the cosmos, which swarms with particles.   66/ So the

beam-protection screen functions to protect the ship against all

influences and resistances, with anything contacting the screen

becoming disintegrated or "flowed" away.  67/ All penetrating, or

resistance-offering things are simply diverted without evoking

pressure.  68/ A pressure would mean resistance and would inhibit

unlimited speed.   69/ But removal of the protecting screen initiates

another important effect which is of great importance to the

passengers.  70/ The glide-away effect of the beam-protection

screen also neutralizes the attractive force of a planet. 73/ ...which

results in the beamship not being subject to the gravity forces of the

planet.  74/ The gravity of a planet is, besides this, not always the

same, or of the same strength, owing to certain alternations which

will be discovered by your scientists in a reasonable time. 75/ The

beam-protective-screen diverts the gravity and attractive forces, and

the beamship in effect becomes a miniature planet which can travel

at nearly lightspeed through any atmosphere without risk.   76/ As the

gravity of a concerned planet does not influence the beamship, the

passengers feel normal and unburdened, as if they were on their

planet itself, always under the premise that the planetary gravity is in

accordance with their anatomical capabilities.   77/ In the beamship

itself, the gravity of course is tuned to the passengers and is

completely controllable. 78/ When passengers on spacecraft from

other worlds move in atmospheres alien to them, or on hostile

planets with unbearable gravity, they use suits and small

transportable  instruments  which generate  for  that creature,  the

necessary beam-protective-screen for their particular ship and

peculiar requirement.

Don Showen

Work 408-974-9544

Home 408-865-1768

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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)

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Subject: Re: been visited?

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dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:

[RE: a.a.v FAQ]

>That's an idea that I'm toying with myself. Frequently, people will ask:

>What are the greys? Where do they come from? What IS a "grey"? etc,ect..

> 

>Hmmmmmm...I'll get to work on some parts..maybe you could work on something

>too?

Great idea!  Only, if Don writes it, I'm sure it will turn out to be

about 1700 lines! :-)

Seriously, I would VERY much welcome a FAQ *at least* defining some

terms used here and the roles some of this stuff plays in relation to

each other (that is, *IF* I believed any of this... ahem... :-).

Also, I'd like to see more articles on how one can "protect" oneself

from abductions, etc.  I saw some references to previous articles, but

joined in on the group to late to get the whole discussion.  Definitely

FAQ material.

>-* Don Allen *-  InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP  // Amiga..for the best of us.

>Illuminati < MJ-12|Greys|TLC|CFR|FED|Bilderbergs > UN = "New World Order"

Okay, Don, you've scared us enough! :-)

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From: 6600hubb@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Richard Hubbell)

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Subject: ufo encounter

Keywords: ufo encounter

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Did anyone see a show that had a piece on a ufo encounter in Texas?

I saw part of it tonite (7-10-91) I missed a portion of it when

signal went out from channel 6.  A woman, her mother, and a child

were driving when they saw some kind of craft.  They stopped and the

woman got out of the car to look at the ufo.  The encounter lasted about

ten minutes. The ufo was hovering the whole time.  The ufo left and 

the woman got into the car as they were leaving a squadron of 

helicopters approached (the older woman counted 23 helicopters) she 

described them as the type with to rotors.  Approx. 6 hours later they

all became ill. The mother had the worst symptoms, followed by the

child and then the older woman.  According to the physician treating her

she suffered from radiation exposure.  Her skin was burned and she

eventually lost her hair.  A ufo researcher went to the site where

this occurred and verified a dark patch of the asphalt that had been

scarred by intense heat. I think his name was Schlouser(sp.) he also

was told later that some trucks had gone to the site and removed all

traces of the burnt asphalt and replaced it with new. 

At first the Air Force acknowledged that something did

occur but then they went back on there original claim and denied that

anything happened.  I'd like to hear more about this incident if

anyone can add more info.  It happened 10 years ago in late 1980

in Texas(Dayton?). All three are still alive but the woman has been

diagnosed with cancer and the older woman and child still also 

suffer from strange illnesses.  

RH

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Article 1170 of alt.alien.visitors:

From: p515dfi@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer)

Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.alien.visitors

Subject: Alien spacecraft to be displayed? [Forwarded from sci.astro]

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Date: 6 Aug 91 11:15:42 GMT

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+From: huw@spls5.ccs.mt.nec.co.jp (Huw Jonathan Rogers)

+Newsgroups: sci.astro

+Subject: Aliens from outer space...

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        I recently heard a Radio One program in the UK that contained

an interview with a leading proponent of the popular "US Government has

aliens locked up and is experimenting with their spaceplanes" conspiracy

theory. However this particular individual sounded very reasonable, did

not make any outrageous claims, and further had some interesting facts

to disclose. In particular he mentioned several verifiable facts which

I would like some followup on:

        Rockwell International and NASA were planning a *massive*

joint exhibition of space exploration this year (1991) but it was delayed

inexplicably until 1992. In the *official* prospectus for this exhibition,

one of the exhibits was clearly stated to be "an extraterrestrial space

craft". When asked about this by various individuals, all enquiries

were referred by NASA to the US DoD. An unnamed Pentagon spokesman speaking

off the record is meant to have indicated that they "had a number of such

vehicles to choose from..."

        The Pentagon also held a press conference to deal with press

inquiries on this matter - and refused to answer any questions. In fact

reporters later said that the Pentagon had asked most of the questions,

and they all pertained to "what would be the public reaction if...".

        The guy on the radio program referred extensively to two NASA

consultant engineers who claimed to have worked on alien spacecraft

studying propulsion systems for NASA - both had high level security

clearance in the States, were verifiably employed by NASA as senior

consultant engineers, and both were phoned in the States by the station

in a followup program (which I missed) the next day. The followup program

incidentally was only scheduled at the last minute due to record phone

calls from the public swamping Radio 1's 64 line switchboard...

        He also claimed that a NSA official had told him off the record

that the NSA was in "electronic communication" with at least eight

extraterrestrial sources of intelligent communication...

        He claimed that he possessed a recording of a telephone conversation

with an ex deputy director of the CIA (Casey's deputy as I recall), who

said that they (the CIA) had possession of quite a few alien artefacts,

including bodies, spacecraft and other miscellaneous bits and pieces.

He also verified on tape claims that several alien landings at US AFBs had

occured in the past, and in some cases were common knowledge amongst certain

groups of AFB personnel: "Hear what came in this morning, Joe?"...

        Various farmers in a certain area of the US (I forget the state

that was mentioned) regularly discovered bloodless (drained) cattle in

various stages of dismemberment in the early morning. These animals had

had certain glands, body parts, or body fluids surgically removed with a

precision beyond the capabilities of all but the most advanced surgical

laboratories. This problem was so bad that in one place a farmer was in

danger of going bust due to loss of cattle. One explanation advanced was 

that

aliens were using these cattle as a convenient source of various rare

chemicals/tissues.

        The technology in the latest black projects that have progressed

to flight hardware - Aurora, Strike, etc. - seems to be well beyond the

capabilities of current commercial (defense/aerospace) technology. In

particular ablative control surfaces and reliable flight control at speeds

in excess of Mach 4 are characteristics of such craft, sightings of which

are widespread in Nevada along with reliable evidence (supersonic boom

disruption?) of such speeds.

        Any comments/hard info. on any of these assertions would be

much appreciated - please post as I am sure others are interested too.

        -Huw

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