Info-ParaNet Newsletters February 25th 1991

                 Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 369

 

                           Monday, February 25th 1991

 

Today's Topics:

 

                 Paris Match  -  Ufo Sitings & Military Release.

                            Desert Shield Strangeness

                      RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA

                                Ufo-vol. 6 No. 2

                                 Re:  JUST CAUSE

                              Re: UFO-VOL. 6 NO. 2

                                  Lazar Part II

                                   Lazar Cont.

                                   Lazar End.

                             Re: Japanese Videotape

                                File Disclaimers


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From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)

Subject: Paris Match  -  Ufo Sitings & Military Release.

Date: 19 Feb 91 21:36:00 GMT



 > From: MCLARKE@ac.dal.ca

 >

 > Could you please confirm the issue date for the er

 >

 > recent article in the Paris MAtch magazine featuring

 > the

 > evidence released by Belgian Military Officals.  I

 > would like

 > to confirm the article before posting it locally.


The article appeared on July 5, 1990, according to the 

information that I have here.


Mike


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From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)

Subject: Desert Shield Strangeness

Date: 17 Feb 91 15:18:00 GMT



 swue> (1) Has anyone noticed that in most of the 'Nintendo' movies they are

 swue>     showing of smart bombs taking out Iraqi targets there is no

 swue>     indication at all of any camera motion?  You can see things moving

 swue>     on the ground, you can see the bomb streak in from out-of-frame,

 swue>     you can see the smoke rising from the wreckage--but the camera

 swue>     never moves.  Surely they're not using hovering Harriers for

 swue>     bomb-damage assessment!  Perhaps ducted-fan drones?  I had read

 swue>     years ago that we were building these for aerial reconnaissance,


Sorry...but that doesn't wash.  Have you done much flying?  Whenever you

approach a city or coastline from high in the air, you should notice that the

ground doesn't 'rush right up to the plane'...despite the speed they are flying

at.


Even though the flighter/bomber doesn't fly as high as commercial traffic

during a bombing run on a target...they are indeed a lot higher than the camera

shows.  Blame it on zoom-lens or whatever...but they are NOT that close. Hence,

their approach may look as though the *plane* (yes, they are still planes...the

same ones you see taking off from the military bases and aircraft carriers) is

floating stationary over the target.  That is just an illusion from the

camera's perspective itself.  We are not talking about any strikes made by a

hovering helicopter here...or any *unusual* types of flying apparatus.  Just

listen to the commander or the commentator during the showing of any bombing

video footage.  They will almost always tell you what model bomber or fighter

did the damage.  You can best believe it is publically known aircraft and

technology.  Those are real planes and real people flying them!


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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)

Subject: RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA

Date: 18 Feb 91 14:12:00 GMT


Mike, I think that you miss read my message. I said that they are 

working on a 4 part series on the Gulf Breeze sightings not the 

"America, Best Kept secret". This 4 part series will use 

professional actors playing the parts of Ed Walters and the other 

people that were involved. This information comes from Donald Ware 

the Regional Director of MUFON. The Crew has already interviewed him 

so as to get a personality trait on him and also Ed Walters. I have 

no ideal when this mini series will be aired.   73's  ---Jim---

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From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)

Subject: Ufo-vol. 6 No. 2

Date: 22 Feb 91 03:21:00 GMT



 * Forwarded from "Ask UFO Magazine"

 * Originally from Don Ecker

 * Originally dated 02-20-91 23:01


Hello all. UFO Magazine Vol. 6 No. 2 is fresh off the press. In this newest

issue UFO takes a gander at the information that is through "Official 

Channels".


Terry Ecker (no relation that we are aware of) has taken another look at the 

Rendelsham Forrest, United Kingdom case. We call it "Bentwaters". Terry Ecker 

from Palatka, Florida got the scoop at the Great Gulf Coast UFO Gathering in 

Biloxi.


What happens when you ask Uncle Sam to look into UFO happenings? Read "Going 

for the Government: An Overview".


The Sabbotage of Ufology looks at what the good folks in the intelligence 

areana may have on their agenda for the UFO crowd.


A Newsman's Odyssey is my story on what really went down in Wytheville, Va. 

with Danny Gordon and the Wytheville sightings.


In Advance of the 'New World Order' is a very interesting article by Mike 

Lindemann taking a look at the Gulf and the oft used phrase New World Order 

that our President and the Soviet Premier use SO OFTEN.


Dick Haines new book 'Advanced Aerial Devices Reported During the Korean War ( 

thats UFOs folks ) is reviewed, and Dennis Stacy looks at Moore and Shandera's 

new one, 'The MJ-12 Documents, An Analytical Report'.


And so much more. . . . . . . .


Don't miss it.


Don


PS If you need some info on how to get UFO, leave me a note.

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From: stl-06sima.army.mil!wmartin

Subject:  Re:  JUST CAUSE

Date: 22 Feb 91 15:25:46 GMT


From: Will Martin <wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil>


There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding about this law.


It was not aimed at the ordinary federal employee who writes articles or

edits a newsletter, but, because of the sloppiness and incompentence of

the legislators, it ended up having that effect.


It was enacted as part of the Congressional 'ethics' legislation, which

*was* widely publicised. In return for their over-large and unearned

pay raise, Congress (and other high-level appointed officials) traded

off 'honoraria' and various sources of outside income, like

article-writing. But the law was so broadly worded that it not only covered

these intended targets, but also included ordinary low-level federal

employees (like me). 


There are court challenges and revised legislation in the works, so it

this effect on ordinary employees is sure to eventually be removed, but

that will take time. All in all, this is a good example of 'Run for the

hills! Congress is in session!'


Personally, I would have preferred that Congresscritters just simply and

openly get their income from graft and corruption, instead of

surreptitiously. Pay 'em a nominal fee and save our tax dollars. This

'ethics' brouhaha had just the wrong effect, 180 degrees away...


Regards, Will





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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)

Subject: Re: UFO-VOL. 6 NO. 2

Date: 22 Feb 91 19:41:17 GMT


Message from you signed DON mentions Mike Lindemann and his work on the 

analysis of "New World Order" issues. Does anyone have a mailing address or 

some possible way to contact Mike? Does he possibly have access to Paranet? I 

need to contact him about "Blue Dukes Ravin Blues" which occured about 25 

years ago. He will understand the above if he is the same person who worked 

on this project until 1967.

 

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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)

Subject: Lazar Part II

Date: 24 Feb 91 20:16:00 GMT


In Part III of the "Whistleblowers" Part I of the Bob Lazar story

was uploaded. In Part II of the Lazar saga, here is the

"Whistleblowers" Part IV, "Tales of the Bizarre" as read in UFO

Magazine Vol. 6 No. 1, by Don Ecker.


Whistleblowers, IV, TALES OF THE BIZARRE by Don Ecker

UFO Magazine Vol. 6, No. 1

All rights reserved.



  In the last issue of UFO, the first

part of the Lazar story was pub-

lished. No other story in the last 5 to

10 years has had such potentially

earth-shaking implications. Lazar, a

31-year-old, self-described physicist,

has told a fantastic story of having

worked on a number of recovered

flying saucers that the U.S. govern-

ment has stored at a top-secret sec-

tion of Nellis Air Force Base.


  Claiming to have been hired after

an accidental explosion at Nellis in

early 1987, which he says killed two

scientists and involved the alleged

element 115, Lazar says his work at

the super secret S-4 site lasted ap-

proximately 4 months. After Lazar

was caught on Bureau of Land

Management land with several other

people who witnessed what appeared

to be a test flight of one of these

"alien" craft, he was ordered into

security offices for what he described

as a debriefing filled with threats of

bodily harm.


  Lazar originally revealed his story

to two people who at the time were

close friends of his-John Lear, who

made a splash in the UFO field in

late 1987, and Gene Huff, perhaps

Lazar's closest friend. Lazar's story

has not materially changed since he

first went public in 1989, and up un-

til now few additional additions have

surfaced.


  One source close to Lazar stated

that at one point, his security

clearance came under scrutiny

because of a "phone tap" that the

intelligence people at S-4 had on

Lazar's phone. Apparently Lazar's

ex-wife had been found in "Flagrante

delicto" via the tap. Lazar had been

unaware of this until called into

"security."


  Also at one point, security alleged-

ly had been following Lazar when he

stopped at John Lear's house follow-

ing his first days working at S-4. As

Lazar stated in other media when

speaking about his employment, the

oppressive atmosphere began to

outweigh the thrill working at such

an exotic location.


   Lazar later privately spoke of be-

ing shown various briefing

documents that were to provide per-

sonnel working on this project with

background information, material

that supposedly disclosed extensive

details concerning what was known

about the saucers and the entities

that piloted them. Documents spoke

of the "kids," and Lazar guessed

that this could have been a reference

to aliens, but he was not sure.


About human religion


   Another area that these "briefing

documents' addressed concerned

human religion, and what the alien

intelligence had admitted. Lazar at

first refused to discuss this aspect,

and later, while scoffing at the infor-

mation, said that the documents

stated that the aliens had "created"

religion. Humans were said to be the

product of genetic engineering,

created by the aliens. Religion was

also their creation, to give rules to us

so we would protect the

 "containers;  " in effect, the aliens

saw us as nothing more than con-

tainers. (Whether this means that the

body is a vessel for the soul, or just

that only the body is important, they

see us as something necessary to their

purposes.) Lazar also said that the

documents stated that Jesus and two

other beings (religious personages)

were genetically created and were

monitored throughout their lives, ap-

parently as some type of human

"role model."


Cont. with next file.


--  

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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)

Subject: Lazar Cont.

Date: 24 Feb 91 20:16:00 GMT


Cont. from previous message..

All rights reserved.


  Prior to Lazar "going public" in

the latter part of 1989, he had ap-

peared on television, his image

"blacked out," and was using the

pseudonym "Dennis." Dennis, as it

turned out, was actually the first

name of Lazar's supervisor at S-4.

After the blacked-out image of Lazar

appeared on local news, where he

was talking about U.S. flying

saucers, Lazar stated that "Dennis"

called him and in a threatening tone

asked if he knew what could happen

to him. Then he hung up. At one

point, Lazar told KLAS newsman

George Knapp that someone shot out

his rear tire as he was on an off

ramp at the interstate. Another

source close to Lazar has stated that

there may be elements within the

security structure that for whatever

reason want this information to go

public. (If so, what better an in-

dicator of public reaction than the

Lazar saga?)


   His story has garnered worldwide

notice, and he's received many in-

vitations to appear in various media.

 At one point, Nippon Television

reportedly paid Lazar $5,000 to

travel to Japan to appear on

Japanese television. Prior to leaving

for the airport, Lazar stated that he

received an anonymous telephone call

threatening that if he traveled to

Japan, he would never make it back.


   Stating that he had feared for his

life, Lazar refused to go. Nippon TV

then considered filing a lawsuit

against Lazar, charging breach of

contract.


  A height of intrigue was reached

when KLAS, after cleaning up dur-

ing the TV "sweeps" with their first

UFO special, planned to run a se-

cond special. A ratings war

developed with another TV station,

and according to informed sources

the opposing TV station hired some

private detectives to follow Lazar

and George Knapp. At one point,

the rival TV station dug up the dirt

on Lazar and his business dealings

with a prostitute who was running an

illegal brothel in Las Vegas proper.

Finding out about the rival station's

scoop, Knapp convinced Lazar to

defuse the situation by going on

camera and admitting that he sold a

computer and software and set up

security equipment for the prostitute,

Toni Bulloch. According to Gene

Huff, Bulloch had been running this

business for some time, and the Las

Vegas vice squad was aware of the

operation.


  During the course of this investiga-

tion, UFO Magazine spoke to a

number of principals while attemp-

ting to verify Lazar's story. A girl

friend of Lazar, who knew Toni

Bulloch, stated that Bulloch had an

affair with one of the Las Vegas

Police officers who was a member of

the vice squad.


  The entire case against Lazar was

 bizarre, to say the least. He was, ac-

cording to witnesses, only the third

person in Nevada's history to be con-

victed of pandering. As it ended up,

Lazar was put on probation, in-

structed to perform community ser-

vice and ordered to see a

psychologist during his probationary

period.


   At this point, the big question

is-where are the saucers? Do Lazar

and his story hold up: What is in the

future concerning Area 51, and the

section called S-4:

  Lazar has received a W-2 form

from Naval Intelligence, which is be-

ing touted as a prime piece of

evidence to back up his claims.

KLAS-TV has aired the form on

television.  In the course of research-

ing this article, UFO Magazine asked

both Bob Lazar and George Knapp

to forward a copy of the form, a re-

quest which has yet to be fulfilled.


  Groups of curious people continue

to traipse out toward Nellis AFB to

watch for flying saucers, and some

manage to see them and take

photographs of whatever it is that

the Air Force-or someone-is flying

in the vicinity.


Cont. next message.


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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)

Subject: Lazar End.

Date: 24 Feb 91 20:17:00 GMT


Cont. from previous message.

All rights reserved.


When Lazar first went

public with his claims, supposedly

several other people were to have

"come clean" with more informa-

tion. Sadly, no one else has publicly

made any statements. I personally

think that there is "high

strangeness" to Lazar's claim, and

he may very possibly be telling all he

knows. But a number of questions

still await satisfactory answers. (For

instance: If Lazar did abscond with

some monumental "proof", why did

he leave it lying around unattended,

so the alleged burglars could get at

it?  But this does not necessarily seem

out of character. For someone who

supposedly held such an unbelievable

job, Lazar's laissez-faire attitude is in

itself incredible-he personifies the

person who "marches to the beat of

a different drummer.")


  There is more than enough

peripheral evidence to Lazar's claims

to make some people very nervous;

that in itself is telling. Lazar has

passed a number of polygraph tests,

has undergone hypnotic regression,

and has shown reason to believe that

he may have been administered drugs

without his consent, in order to

"wipe" his memory of certain

events. If this proves to be the case,

at the very least it means that his

civil rights have been abrogated, and

if "they" can abrogate his civil

rights, then they can abrogate yours

and mine. If there are people in the

power structure who feel compelled

to flush away our Constitutional

guarantees because of something to

do with flying saucers, then we have

to ask, just what in hell are they

hiding? And why are they hiding it?


  The Lazar story, much like every

other major UFO event or non-

event, will probably never be settled

to everyone's satisfaction. At least

not until the Government "players"

come clean with what it is they are

doing. The fact that there are

unidentified flying objects is not

open for speculation; it has been

proven time and time again that

something unknown is flying around.

What that something is and the iden-

tities of the people who are the ar-

chitects of the secrecy surrounding it

should be first and foremost on each

of our minds. Probably not until

Congress demands the truth in the

name of the American people will it

ever be known-or until these

mysterious objects, using their own

agenda, play out "their" scenario.


END


Authors note;


Lazar and Huff did in fact send UFO Magazine a copy of Lazar's W-2

form which is now included in UFO Magazine Vol. 6, No. 2. The form

lists Lazar's former employer as Naval Intelligence. Is the Lazar

story over now, and to be regarded as history? No. According to

Gene Huff when I spoke to him, Lazar and Huff are producing a video

that they will market in which Lazar is giving a science lesson for

the layperson in which he discusses interstellar travel and anti-

gravity propulsion. Huff stated that Lazar will also discuss the

alleged aliens that came in the saucers, site S-4, and the alien

interaction with humanity. It should be interesting on several

levels. Once more the proof is still hovering in the anti-gravity

mode. MAYBE time will tell, but in the words of Linda Elerbee, "And

so it goes. . . . . . ."


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From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender)

Subject: Re: Japanese Videotape

Date: 21 Feb 91 07:02:29 GMT



 RM> Fourth, any skeptic worth his doubts _will_ be able to tell what

 RM> evidence would suffice to convince him on a given factual claim.

 RM> Klass, Sheaffer, and Oberg _can and have_ said what would 

 RM> convince them. So, they may be wrong, but they're not 

 RM> dogmatists. 


     Have they made definitive statements, and if so where are these

available?

    



... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh

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From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender)

Subject: File Disclaimers

Date: 21 Feb 91 07:02:04 GMT


[original post taken from Ask/UFO conference]


 RM> Ralph Putnam to Mike Corbin:

     

 RP>> Anyway, the question is, why do the ParaNet nodes (at least the 

 RP>> ones I have dialed into) continue to carry the Bill Cooper 

 RP>> files?  Is there some valid info. in there?  From your (and

     ...

 RM> or of the author's reputation.  I don't think I've seen the

 RM> particular files you mention (waiting for a disk or two from

 RM> Mike), but even if they're _really bad_, they can -- at a 

 RM> minimum -- be valuable as an example of their kind.

     

     I'm wondering what you mean by "of their kind" ?


     Since you are, quite understandably, sensitive about being lumped

in with some other "skeptics", shouldn't we be careful here too?


 RM> If I were really worried about the impression these things might

 RM> make on callers, I might have two UFO file areas:  General and

 RM> Sysop's Picks.  General would be "caveat lector" stuff (Wild 

 RM> Bill and others), in the sysop's humble opinion, while Sysop's 

 RM> Picks would be those the sysop considers less improbable 

 RM> (modify this according to your degree of skepticism :-) ).


     Any sysop utilizing such a policy should also recognize a

responsibility to post a sufficiently clear description of the criteria

employed in making the selection.



... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh

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