Info-ParaNet Newsletters November 26th 1991
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 504
Tuesday, November 26th 1991
Today's Topics:
Q&A: John Burroughs
Bill Cooper
Weird night on Halloween
Re: Q&A: John Burroughs
Re: Bill Cooper
Omni Comments
RAF BENTWATERS/WOODBRIDGE
Re: Bill Cooper
Q&A: John Burroughs
Bill Cooper
Re: Author
Re: Q&A: John Burroughs
Re: Bill Cooper
Crop Circles: a hoax?
Bill Cooper
David Jacobs
Gulf Breeze
"mars Effect"
America's New Secret Aircraft
Paranet 9600 Bps
Hyser Report
Author
Re: Hyser report
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Q&A: John Burroughs
Date: 21 Nov 91 22:35:00 GMT
PARANET Q&A: JOHN BURROUGHS
I think I mentioned that we were going to be doing this in a message a couple
of months ago, but I have been very busy lately, so now's my chance.
A couple of years back, I asked ParaNetters to post their most burning
questions for Budd Hopkins, which I compiled and passed on to him. The
resulting Q&A file was then published online and in Oddysey Magazine. It was
quite a success, and shed some light on a lot of issues. I'd like to try to do
the same thing on a regular basis with other UFO luminaries.
As you probably are aware, John Burroughs is a key witness to the Bentwaters
Incident, which was covered in some detail on the season opener of Unsolved
Mysteries. John's rendering of the incident has added a new patina of
credibility to the case, and he is willing - anxious, really - to answer
people's questions about what happened, his role in it, and what it could
possibly have been. In addition, John is in regular touch with Col. Charles
Halt and other witnesses and can pass questions on to them as well.
If you have any questions or comments about the Bentwaters case that you would
like to address to any of these witnesses, please post them in reply to this
message. I will compile all the questions and send them on to John, and then
will transcribe his responses to the network.
Also, we're open to suggestions for future Q&A subjects. Among all the members
of this network, there's barely a major UFO figure in the world that cannot be
reached fairly easily for comments. And many of them have written books that
they would just love to see discussed here, so they aren't the least bit shy.
As I said before, this approach has been hugely successful in the past, and
can really demonstrate the power of computer networking. I invite you all to
participate. Let's see some questions!
Jim Speiser
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Bill Cooper
Date: 22 Nov 91 22:08:00 GMT
I thought I'd never mention this name again, but I thought y'all might be
interested to know...
Bill Cooper was just on a radio show here in Phoenix, talking on the topic of
the Kennedy Assassination. Yes, he's still touting the "Greer Shot Kennedy"
theory. Even more interestingly, though, he is now backpedaling on the aliens
bit, saying that its all a ruse by the government to get us to unite behind
the New World Order.
Someone called in and said that he'd read many articles by Cooper claiming that
UFOs were real and that the government was in cahoots with the aliens, and
Cooper asked, "Did you see those articles on a computer BBS?" He said "yes."
Cooper then said, "Those weren't written by me. Someone wrote a bunch of
hogwash articles using my name and uploaded them to a bunch of computer
bulletin board systems."
For the record (as if I even had to tell you this), the man speaking was very
definitely the same Bill Cooper that I had spoken with back when all this first
started, back when this same Bill Cooper was claiming that MJ-12 was real, and
that the government was in cahoots with the aliens. This man will obviously
stop at nothing, even denying his own previous handiwork.
Interestingly, the caller told Cooper, "By the way, Vicki Cooper and Lars
Hanson said `Hi', and to tell you that you are still the biggest liar in the
world."
Awwrriiiighht! Anyone out there wanna claim credit for that call?
Jim
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From: Ron.Navarro@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Ron Navarro)
Subject: Weird night on Halloween
Date: 22 Nov 91 23:46:00 GMT
I have been a reader of OMNI since it's first publication. Over those
years I have found myself in places where current UFO information was
hard to come by. But, due to the easy access to OMNI I could always
count on reading a new article every month. I am happy to see that
section of the magazine has survived over the years. Although, it has
been increasingly difficult to find this particular section in the
magazine, at least for me. In the past the red color was easy to find.
Listing the UFO UPDATE/paranormal section in the table of contents
would help. The reports are interesting but to me sometimes too short.
Also a more scientific-investigative tone integrated with the existing
reporting styles seems to be called for these days. Above all, don't
stop a good thing.
Ron
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Q&A: John Burroughs
Date: 23 Nov 91 04:55:00 GMT
Hi JIm,
In regards to a Q and A forum, I bet I will have questions for
Zecharia Sitchin after I read his interview with Don Ecker in the next
issue of "UFO."
Thanks,
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper
Date: 23 Nov 91 05:03:00 GMT
Hi Jim,
I just missed that show (school was still in session). Did you tape
it? I heard some of the after-talk, though.
ttyl,
Linda
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Omni Comments
Date: 24 Nov 91 00:04:00 GMT
>has survived over the years. Although, it has been
>increasingly difficult to find this particular section in the
>magazine, at least for me. In the past the red color was easy
>to find. Listing the UFO UPDATE/paranormal section in the
>table of contents would help. The reports are interesting but
>to me sometimes too short. Also a more
>scientific-investigative tone integrated with the existing
>reporting styles seems to be called for these days. Above all,
>don't stop a good thing.
>Ron
Hi Ron,
Thank you very much for your comments about OMNI and the UFO
sections. I know what you mean about finding the listing in the
table of contents -- but if you look for "Antimatter" that should
help. That's the title of the section which includes as its first
page,"UFO Update." It's not in every issue --note it's not in the
Dec. 91 issue and, if memory serves, wasn't in the Nov. '91 either,
-- but I have just spoken with one of the editors there and asked if
it was going to be continued or dropped (its absence worried me) and
she tells me there's no question of dropping either it or the
Continuum section (silver pages -- used to be silver, that is, now
just plain pages -- at the front of the magazine) because those are
the two most popular features which readers like best.
Many people have been suggesting a more critical analysis of
the stories in that section so maybe the weight of opinion will
change what the editors do.
I'll relay your comments to the editors.
If you think of something else you'd like to add, please
don't hesitate...BTW, would you use the ONLINE service if OMNI goes
to that? And if so, what would you like it to provide -- what would
attract you to use it? (Some people have suggested having the
articles online, past and current ones, as well as a way of asking
questions or getting more info about those articles.)
Did I understand correctly that you think the section has
become too small -- the UFO Update, that is? The Antimatter section
has been reduced in numbers of pages in the last several issues. If
you think it should be brought back up to its previous length, I'll
pass that along too.
Thanks, again, for your comments!
==Peggy==
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From: James.Hudnall@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (James Hudnall)
Subject: RAF BENTWATERS/WOODBRIDGE
Date: 24 Nov 91 03:06:01 GMT
I was station at RAF BENTWATERS and for a short time at WOODBRIDGE it's
sister base in 1976-77. I missed out on the later UFO stuff, but I can tell
you there were a lot of strange stories going around even before then.
Before you ask, I was a security guard, just like the guys who spotted those
UFOs in the Woodbridge flap. I was on the night shift/graveyard shift (it
alternated) also.
Anyway, two stories went around the base. One was about East End Charlie, a
ghost which was supposedly from a crashed WWII pilot. Bentwaters and
Woodbridge were used for crashed landings when pilots came across the
channel with damaged planes during the war. East End Charlie supposedly
haunted the east end of the runway and sometimes was seen in the woods
nearby.
I'm planning to write a text file about the Bentwaters stories I heard which
I'll called BENTTALE.TXT. They're interesting stories, whether true or not.
I will say this much. Some of the people I talked to on base who claimed to
have experienced these events were fairly credible and looked extremely
disturbed when they told them to me. They didn't act like they were clowning
around or making stuff up.
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From: Jim.Delton@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper
Date: 24 Nov 91 00:58:00 GMT
I wish I *could* claim credit for that call to Cooper. I didn't hear
the show but one of the others in my office was listening to it. He
came in after it was over and starting telling me about the incredible
new theory he just heard about how Kennedy was assassinated. After
only a couple of sentences I asked him who had been on the radio. He
wasn't sure. I asked if it could have been a Bill Cooper. Yep, that
was the guy. What's so stomack turning is that when people hear a calm
voice say such-and-so on the radio they will usually believe it.
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Q&A: John Burroughs
Date: 22 Nov 91 07:05:51 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <22 Nov 91 21:55> Linda Bird wrote:
LB> Hi JIm,
LB> In regards to a Q and A forum, I bet I will have questions for
LB> Zecharia Sitchin after I read his interview with Don Ecker in the
LB> next issue of "UFO."
LB> Thanks,
LB>
LB> Linda
That's the spirit. There's a lot of interest in Sitchin lately. Speaking of
which, you missed a good meeting the other night. Sitchin's name came up there,
as well.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Bill Cooper
Date: 22 Nov 91 07:07:12 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <22 Nov 91 22:03> Linda Bird wrote:
LB> Hi Jim,
LB> I just missed that show (school was still in session). Did
LB> you tape it? I heard some of the after-talk, though.
Naw, didn't tape it, didn't want to waste a good cassette. They went from one
extreme to the other. A guy named Jim Moore preceded Cooper, and talked about
his book, "Conspiracy of One," in which he tries to show that Oswald, acting
alone, shot Kennedy. Funny how that's become the controversial position these
days, but Moore defended his position well. He claims that a lot of these books
out about the assassination are just so much conspiracy-mongering, that the
authors conveniently leave out facts or do shoddy research. He's kinda like the
Phil Klass of JFKology, but like I said, he did a fairly credible job.
Jim
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Author
Date: 24 Nov 91 04:53:00 GMT
Hi John,
EEEK! Darn, I missed the Larry King show, thus missing Don Ecker and
Keith Thompson! Well, I will have to now rely on everyone's reports.
Thanks for reminder!
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Q&A: John Burroughs
Date: 24 Nov 91 05:25:00 GMT
Hi Jim,
Do you mean the Thurs., Nov. 21st meeting at Ray's? I had my last
class meeting (and you know you have to be there for the LAST night, or
else!). I asked Ray if he could change the date, but he couldn't.
Tell me more in Private mail, or just call.
Thanks,
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper
Date: 24 Nov 91 05:34:00 GMT
Hiya Jim,
Don't you think that the subject of JFK's asassination is going to
come up in the 3rd week of November for the rest of our lives?? Geez.
It was on KFYI all afternoon today, and Friday morning as well.
I think old Bill Cooper is a clever kookie for getting on the radio
right about now and discussing JFKology. (Did you invent that term? I
like it.) This gives him a great chance to hawk his books, make new
converts, and urk the rest of us!
Thanks for the info on Jim Moore. He's probably correct.
TTYL,
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Crop Circles: a hoax?
Date: 24 Nov 91 05:46:00 GMT
Hi Andre,
Greetings from Arizona! I would like to know what the German
newspapers had to say when the news came out of England about the two
elderly gentlemen who claimed to have made all those crop circles.
About a month ago, a close family friend of ours was staying with us
for two weeks. He's from Bielefeld; we argued UFOs, aliens, and crop
circles for several days. He was determined to convince me that
dave and Doug (in England) had done all those circles. I think I
finally wore him down because I have a lot of literature here at home.
But I would like to know how this subject was handled in the German
press. Respond if you can.
Many thanks; by the way, I was in Germany in July 1989 in Berlin. We
didn't think the wall would come down for another 30 yea. Just goes
to show you how fast things can change.
Regards,
Linda Bird
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Bill Cooper
Date: 23 Nov 91 04:52:26 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <23 Nov 91 17:58> Jim Delton wrote:
JD> been a Bill Cooper. Yep, that was the guy. What's so stomack
JD> turning is that when people hear a calm voice say such-and-so on
JD> the radio they will usually believe it.
You got that right. "Oh, but he sounded so CREDIBLE..." That and a nickel will
buy you this "Dare To Be Great" T-shirt....
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: David Jacobs
Date: 23 Nov 91 05:30:53 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <21 Nov 91 09:05> Clark Matthews wrote:
CM> What's the problem with Jacobs? Traffic on the ABDUCTION echo is
CM> so sparse he could transfer all of his weekly packets in only 3-4
CM> minutes of time at 2400 bps per week. Considering he's getting
CM> lots of fodder for his book -- and guaranteeing book sales among
CM> the membership here -- is that meagre polling schedule such an
CM> unsupportable expense for him?
According to Mike Corbin the problem is in the process of being taken care of.
We should have a Philly node soon, this time a (very) dedicated one. But I'm
sure your offer of help is appreciated!
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Gulf Breeze
Date: 23 Nov 91 05:34:14 GMT
In a message to All <22 Nov 91 12:08> ncar!doc.imperial.ac.uk!a wrote:
nc> Does anyone have any of the Ed Walters
nc> photos on a gif file that I could view to complete the picture.
nc> Thanks, Robert
Robert:
I have three photos GIFfed online here. Can you file request? The wildcard name
GBREEZ*.GIF will get all three.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: "mars Effect"
Date: 23 Nov 91 05:37:53 GMT
In a message to All <19 Nov 91 01:19> Rick Moen wrote:
RM> If people are interested, I'll upload it to this echo (or P_GENERAL, as
RM> the moderator prefers). It would constitute about 11 messages.
I dunno bout uploading it here (although I'm sure it will be welcome), but I
would very much like to have it as an important addition to my library. I will
FREQ it from you.
Thanks,
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: America's New Secret Aircraft
Date: 23 Nov 91 05:39:42 GMT
In a message to All <22 Nov 91 18:50> ncar!hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!m wrote:
nc> 'According to reports over the past two years, a vast black flying wing,
nc> estimated at between 600 and 800 ft. in
nc> width, has passed silently over the
nc> city streets, empty desert and rural
nc> freeways. The craft moved so slowly one
nc> observer said that he could jog along with it. A pattern of seemingly
nc> random white lights on the vehicle's
nc> black underside provided 'constellation
nc> camouflage' against the starry sky. Observers detailed unlikely maneuvers
nc> in which the vehicle stopped, rotated in place and hovered vertically....'
nc> It is an interesting article well worth reading.
Does it attempt to draw a connection between these sightings and existing
government experiments?
nc> Also don't forget the National
nc> Geographic Special on crop circles this Sunday
nc> (Nov 24) at 9pm EST/ 6pm PST on TBS.
nc> It is called 'The Mystery of the Crop
nc> Circle'. My TV listing show it repeating
nc> on Monday night (Nov 25) at 10pm PST.
I was told this would be on Discovery. Will it be on both?
Jim
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Paranet 9600 Bps
Date: 24 Nov 91 05:06:02 GMT
Hello Andre,
Acutally I was looking for a ParaNet node utilizing V.32, but a
bit closer to Chicago than Berlin <g>. I'm afraid the LD charges
will not be compensated for by the HS transfers, but thanks for
the offer.
BTW, _UFO Magazine_ did a cover photo one issue back displaying an
array of agriglyph type crop circles discovered in Germany. Are
you familiar with this photo/formations? If so, I would be most
interested in hearing your comments and observations.
Take care,
-= Sheldon =-
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From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Hyser Report
Date: 21 Nov 91 18:30:00 GMT
John Hicks said:
> Sure, no problem. Didn't you or Don get a scanner and OCR software a
> while back? I'm in the market and looking for advice. Could come in
> handy.
John, now that my system is back up and working ( God, I hope so!) ..Yes Mike
and I both have scanners and OCR software. If I can be of assistance, please
ask.
Don
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From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Author
Date: 21 Nov 91 18:40:00 GMT
Linda Bird;
> What can you tell me about an author named Keith Thompson? I saw a book
> of his called Angels and Aliens." I can't recall who he is and he is
> not an author that all of us have mentioned before (to my knowledge).
> Is he reliable? reputable? a crackpot?
Linda, I will be meeting Keith on the Larry King Live show on CNN on November
22nd. You can make your mind up about it then.......
Don
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From: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Schuyler)
Subject: Re: Hyser report
Date: 22 Nov 91 15:39:00 GMT
In a message to Michael Schuyler <11-16-91 23:40> John Hicks wrote:
JH> But we could just as easily someday demonstrate how to hoax a real
JH> TRUFO photo. And if we did out-hoax a potential hoaxer, we still
JH> haven't proved his photos to be fake, just that it can be done.
That's the truly frustrating thing about phtos, particularly these days. We
can perhaps prove a photo a fake if it's detectable. But that's the only
bona fide conclusion anyone can come to. All other answers amount to "We
don't know."
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