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Subject: Re: March List
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 12:47 AM EST
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998040105472801.AAA23628@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<it's lemon flavoured & has crushed almonds in it,>> Oh Carol, I can
hardly wait to find your recipe in our cooking folder! I have a confession
to make:
You all can have your chocolate.....I am a secret lemo-holic. (sorry about
the yellow--just had to do it. it says lemo-holic)
Currently reading The Wonder Book of the Air by Cynthia Shearer
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: I've been mouseless!!!
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 03:02 AM EST
From: Rashrr
Message-id: <1998040108024501.DAA06655@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Suzanne - I am usually just a lurker but I had to reply to your post. I
also had 2 miscarriages before I had my daughter - Chelsea! Her original due
date was Oct. 28, 1989 but she was born on Nov. 8. She was also born in
Sacred Heart Hospital in Spokane, WA. I guess we must have parallel lives.
I think we even have a similar taste in books. Thanks for the nudge to get
me to post. I'll have to do this more often!
Robin in WA
Subject: Re: RA-/Turning 50
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 03:22 AM EST
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040108221101.DAA07786@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Leslie,
I don't know what she is talking about...it must be before/after my time.
I did participate in the Annual Grand Avenue Snowball Fight in 1978 which
resulted in the St. Paul police sending out the riot squad with billy clubs
and attack dogs....quite an event. It seems that Mac has such a reputation
as a radical school - surely the only one I can think of that had students
storm the administration building and take over the campus in those
politically quiescent 70's--that when the annual event that had gone on since
Macalesters early days of flinging snowballs across Grand Avenue between
(dorms on the north vs. dorms on the south) the police on duty that night
decided it was a riot. I was lucky in that I had a big test the next day so I
only stayed for the first 10 - 15 minutes of the snowball fight and left in
time to avoid getting maced, concussed by billy clubs and arrested. It
sparked quite an international incident since several of the students
arrested
and most severely beaten by the police were children of UN diplomats and of
officials in the governments of Thailand, Malaysia, Cameroon, and many other
countries. Despite the fact that most of the students were Minnesotans, most
of the arrested and beaten students were foreign and of color. The foreigh
students from France and the Netherlands, for example, were merely told to
leave. The City of St. Paul apologized profusely, but I don't know how
satisfying that was to a few students who were seriously injured.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Re: RA-/Turning 50
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 03:23 AM EST
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040108234001.DAA05242@ladder01.news.aol.com>
By the way, Leslie, you must ask her if Beano was still there when she was
there.
[Beano was an odd duck and as far as I know was still attending Macalester
ten years after I left.]
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Re: BFH etc.
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 08:46 AM EST
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998040113464801.IAA22645@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cissie said, "I was born on April 3 but don't think that my mother "came to"
til April 5".
Cissie: Wow...with my kids, I'm not sure I'll "come to" until they are about
18! I wonder what that will do to their birth certificates!
As for extended birthday celebrations...I'm all for them. My birthday, May
26, almost always falls on or about Memorial Day Weekend. So I like to say
that the entire country gets a day off to celebrate with me!
Terri: Thank you for your kudos on my reading volume! And this month you read
two of my all-time favorites...Little Altars and Divine Secrets. It's very
strange though...this month I have had a tremendous amount going on in my
life. A possible career change is in the offing and my wheels are turning and
creative juices are flowing. Also I've been preparing for my one-week
business/pleasure trip to Boston without DH and children!!! So I feel like I
have been like a whirling dirvish (sp?). But you know what? The busier you
are, the more you accomplish. I think I was putting the same fervor into my
book-reading that I was putting into the other areas of my life! I was
shocked to look back and see how much I had read! I'm starting April with
Alias Grace which will probably take several days, so look for lower
production numbers in April.
Also, don't be intimidated to post if you can't be eloquent when posting
about books. Some people are really good at it...RuthAlice comes to mind.
Sometimes I add things to my TBR list, not because someone has posted and
eloquently critiqued the book, but because someone has posted, "I absolutely
loved it! Couldn't put it down!" and nothing more!!! I think my post about
Into Thin Air, my 1997 #1 book, was "You must go and get this from the
library,
buy it, borrow it, whatever. Just read it and then thank me for recommending
it." Words couldn't capture my feelings about this book, the writing style,
the emotion, etc., but I could certainly convey my enthusiasm!
Diane in S. Florida
Reading (and determined to finish this time) Alias Grace
Subject: Lots of books
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 09:50 AM EST
From: MJZ 216
Message-id: <1998040114503600.JAA29559@ladder01.news.aol.com>
If anyone is in the State College, PA area from Apr.4 - 8, the Penn State
chapter of the University Women is having its annual book sale. There will be
100,000 books of which 45,000 will be paperback, 8,000 children's books.
Prices range from .40 to $15.00.(art books). Some rare books for $100. or
more. On Apr. 7 the price of remaining books will be cut in half. On the 8th
the books will be $5.00 a grocery bag. Also included will be phonograph
records, ("People are abandoning their record collections for CDs")sheet
music and song books("Stephen Foster's Immortal Memories" book sold for .95
in 1939 goes for $!.00), and giant maps donated by the university, not new
but colorful. It sounds like a gread way to spend a day-or several days. The
hours are from 9 am to 9 pm at the Hetzel Union Building. Enjoy.
Jo Z.
mjz216
Subject: Wednesay a.m.
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 09:55 AM EST
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040114553501.JAA00209@ladder01.news.aol.com>
OK JACKIE - go for it!! The recipes are posted, & let me tell you -
premature samples by the experts say, those cookies are killers!!
DIANE: all the best to you this week - may all of your choices be filled
with wisdom & loads of luck!
BTW: LITTLE ALTARS & DIVINE SECRETS are my favourites of last year, & this
year - & for a long time to come! Now I know why: a friend of mine invited
some of us over for a treat last week - "real Suthen BBQ" - I said a few
prayers over it first (pork!!) - then closed my eyes had enjoyed every
mouthful. I didn't get struck by lightning yet - I just don't cook stuff
like that at home - my personal brand of hypocrisy-:) The rest of the ganag
almost
choked laughing & agreed, in another life I was either/or/and Suthen &
Italian. Must account for my reading perversions as well.
Did anyone see Larry King Live last night? I hate that show - (& don't care
for him, either) but I was busy baking & my hands were too dirty to change
the channel (what an excuse) - quite an interview.
Off to the torture chamber (dentist)
TTFN -
The Marco Maniac - reading DIVINE SECRETS again, & thinking: New York
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Wednesay a.m.
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 11:00 AM EST
From: CKoucky
Message-id: <1998040116001801.LAA10431@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Beautiful Wed. am. Sunny after a grim, gray day of clouds and rain
yesterday--all day sooo went for a lovely walk. Getting my energy back. Now
I find out I have to have a cat-scan tomorrow. Seems I have a granuloma in
my lung--@*&#% many bad words. Seems just when i start feeling well
something else happens. It's not likely that this is anything but of course
they have to check and of course my DH is up north. It really is nothing
compared to what some of you have been through. Just need to bitch. Thank
you for listening-you are the greatest.
Used yesterday for reading Patron Saint of Liars by Ann Patchett. Read Taft
by her first. this was much better-really loved it. I know many of you have
read it.
Finished Unredeened Captive by John Demos while baby-sitting the GC. On the
weekends they have friends over and then are gone but someone needs to be
minding the store. UC is non-fiction but almost reads like a novel.
Fascinating--In 1704 an Indian rainding party killed and captured many in the
town of Deerfield. A well-known minister John Williams and his five children
were captured. He was finally released as were most of his children. The
youngest was adopted by an Indian family and never wanted to returned which
really upset these Puritan fathers. (Not a spoiler as this is all spelled
out on the back cover) Won several history prizes and I very much enjoyed
it.
Reading Some Call it Sleep by Henry Roth. Has anyone read this?
Pat
Subject: Chain Letter
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 11:13 AM EST
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998040116133501.LAA12084@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I received this "chain letter" via email. I don't like chain letters but this
one is different and the message carries some advice for all of us who get so
busy we may forget what joy contact with a friend can bring. Hope no one gets
upset that I posted it.
FRIENDS
> > Around the corner I have a friend
> > In this great city that has no end,
> > Yet the days go by and weeks rush on,
> > And before I know it, a year is gone
> > And I never see my old friends face,
> > For life is a swift and terrible race,
> > He knows I like him just as well
> > As in the days when I rang his bell,
> > And he rang mine.
> >
> > We were younger then,
> > And now we are busy, tired men.
> > Tired of playing a foolish game,
> > Tired of trying to make a name.
> > Tomorrow" I say "I will call on Jim"
> > Just to show that I'm thinking of him"
> > But tomorrow comes and tomorrow goes, And
> > distance between us grows and grows.
> > Around the corner!-yet miles away,
> >
> > "Here's a telegram sir-"
> > "Jim died today."
> > And that's what we get and deserve in the end.
> > Around the corner, a vanished friend.
> >
> > If you love someone, tell them. Remember always to say what you mean.
Never > > be afraid to express yourself. Take this opportunity to tell
someone what they
> > mean to you. Seize the day and have no regrets. Most importantly, stay
close to
> > your friends and family, for they have helped make you the person you are
today.
> > Pass this along to your friends. Let it make a difference in your day and
theirs.
> > The difference between expressing love and having regrets which may stay
> > around forever.
Carol
Subject: Re: RA-/Turning 50
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 11:18 AM EST
From: CKoucky
Message-id: <1998040116184501.LAA12710@ladder03.news.aol.com>
leslie: Loved your tag. Will have to adopt that motto-though I am trying to
walk a little faster.
Terri: I, too, often feel inarticulate and it seems as if I read alot this
month but I only read 4--post those later.
Only beginning to get caught up--was gone for a week or so--but gotta go so
more later.
Pat
Subject: Re: Lots of books
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 11:42 AM EST
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040116423401.LAA13010@ladder01.news.aol.com>
You just got about 200 people to make reservations to get to State College,
PA for that sale!
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: RA-/Turning 50
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 11:45 AM EST
From: TDanks777
Message-id: <1998040116450100.LAA15930@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Pat: I read Some Call It Sleep a few years ago and really liked it. I can't
rememeber the details of it but do know that it won several awards. Are you
reading it now? What do you think?
Terri
Subject: BEE
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 11:48 AM EST
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040116483001.LAA16340@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Today is Birthday Eve Eve, just in case some of you didn't realize what an
important day this is. My brother and his wife are coming in to take me out
for dinner -- the first of my "events"-- since he will not be able to attend
any of my many weekend festivities.
Carol -- Did you do all that cooking just for moi? Send it on -- especially
the chocolate. You are certainly a "show off " with your reading list!
Would anyone believe it if I said I had been dedicating myself to a reread of
"Remembrance of Things Past"?
Finished Janice Daugharty's "Whistle" last night and thought it was
wonderful. I'll write more about this one later, but it's already assured a
spot on my favorites of 1998 list.
Cissie, wearing a birthday crown all week
Subject: Another newbie...
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 12:51 PM EST
From: E1 BOZ
Message-id: <1998040117513701.MAA24254@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hello Nookers,
Well here I am with another request.. Hope as many of you as possible will
come to the Fredonia chat tonight because I have invited a friend of mine to
come and check it out. I recently located through Member Directory a friend
from years ago. Connie/TellCon and I met in 1965 when both our now DX's were
stationed at Glasgow AF Base in Glasgow, MT. Our men spend a good time away
from home, and Connie and I helped each other to survive some very
lonely times as young military wives. She is new to the on-line experience
and has been hesitant to try chat rooms, (axe-murderers, you know?), so I
have convinced her to come to Fredonia tonight and meet some of the great
folks in this group.
Looking forward to the chat tonight..
Carole #1 In Upstate NY, currently reading "Up Island", by Anne Rivers
Siddons.
"If you are not afraid to face the music, you may one day lead the band"...
Subject: Books and Cooks
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 01:52 PM EST
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998040118524901.NAA02093@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy in PA -- re. ANGLE OF IMPACT... someone on another board liked Bonnie
MacDougall's first book better (BREACH OF TRUST), but I thought this one was
pretty good...I'd give it a B+.
Terri -- I was glad to read your post. Don't worry about the number of books
you read, please! Some people have more time than others, some put reading
before other things like dusting (moi!), some need little sleep, some read
VERY fast, etc. etc. I too feel sometimes intimidated by the eloquence on
this board, but this is NOT a reading or writing contest, right Book Nookers?
Keep posting!
Carol/Maniac -- you said you gained 50 lbs. HANDLING the cooking
ingredients... well... I gained 50 lbs. READING about your confections. And
here I'm trying to cut back on my sugar intake. Sigh. Guess I go get a Kit
Kat. <g> (You cook, you bake, you play tennis, and... you read 14 books last
month! Wow!) I'll be thinking of you at the dentist today. This past Monday
was my day to be "crowned." Ugh.
Pat -- CAT scan tomorrow, Thursday? I'll keep you in my thoughts. Hang in
there dear lady.
Books read in March:
THE CARETAKER, William Simpson, B+, wickedly funny, trashy, but no one "wins"
TO DANCE WITH THE WHITE DOG, Terry Kay, A+, touching story of love and aging
BOOKED TO DIE, John Dunning, A, excellent mystery re. book-collecting
THE MARK OF THE ASSASSIN, Daniel Silva, A, gripping thriller, riveting ending
BLACK AND BLUE, Anna Quindlen, A+, beautifully written, tragic story though
THREE TO GET DEADLY, Janet Evanovich, B+, mystery, love her humor!
SKULL SESSION, Daniel Hecht, B+, page-turning thriller, scary
ANGLE OF IMPACT, Bonnie MacDougal, B+, legal thriller, fast-moving
Books not finished:
EVERYDAY SACRED, Sue Bender, C, disjointed vignettes
Audio Book:
THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW, Allan Folsom, A, exciting techno-thriller
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
Do not remove this Tagline under penalty of the law!
Subject: List by GRADGLASS
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 02:06 PM EST
From: SRULL
Message-id: <1998040119060000.OAA01141@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Great March list - noticed a tone that reminded of a post I made earlier this
week.
( It's OUT THERE somewhere, was posted for minutes and then disappeared. Is
that possible/probable?) Anyway, the ladies at Island Book Nook on Sanibel
sit at their
register surrounded by their picks. I read Bonita Faye in Sanibel because of
one of those ladies. You Crazy in Alabama readers need this one. You'll
cheer for Bonita Faye.
JRR - also celebrating 50 all week
Subject: Re: this and that
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 02:44 PM EST
From: CKoucky
Message-id: <1998040119441200.OAA06196@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Terri: I'm liking Some Call It Sleep but it's a little too early to tell.
Roth certainly paints the terrors of childhood well. David, the young boy in
the story is what we used to call a Mama's boy. On the other hand, his
father is brutal and cruel. The parents try to off-set each other. The
mother is too coddling and the father is too cruel. It seems as if
everything is a disaster for this child. When he does stick up for himself,
he
hurts the other child and then gets punished. That's as far as I've read and
the book is quite long.
Nancy: Sure hope the cortisone does it for that pesky excema, especially if
you garden. Do you?
Ruth: I like that--IMNSHO--LOL
Cissie: HAPPY BIRTHDAY: Celebrate all year!! 50 is the one birthdya I had
trouble with. You have the right attitude.
Time to teach.
Pat
Subject: Wonder Book of the Air--finished
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 04:27 PM EST
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998040121271600.QAA24451@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I just posted this in the Book Club folder, but since some of you don't go
there, I thought you might be interested in what I thought about this book.
I finished The Wonder Book of the Air this morning. I want to thank EOR and
RuthAlice for their help in keeping the characters straight. I think it
would have been a good idea if some editor had suggested putting a family
tree in the flyleaf of this book. I did tend to get confused about some of
the relationships in the three generations.
I thought the writing was wonderful, and I enjoyed reading from the different
perspectives of the characters. There were a lot of unhappy souls.
Unhappiness seemed to be a gene that was passed down through the families,
and a general theme of the book.
Harrison Durrance was the central character, and his own unhappiness,
alcoholic rages, and infidelity affected his whole family, even generations
later. Kind of reminded me of throwing a pebble in the stream and watching
all the ripples form around it. It was easy to see how his disparagement of
women was formed early in his life, mainly by his unloving, alcoholic mother.
She's only interested in the money he earns. She steals his money
to buy things for his sisters and at one point actually throws his
hard-earned college
savings into the furnace. He recalls "She always smelled of onions or mint,
and I can hardly remember what it was like to see her smile. There must have
been some smiles directed my way, it stands to reason. I do not remember
what she looked like smiling." She doesn't smile when her brother, Artie
arrives. "She simply looked at him, and the quiet dismay broke over her
face. No smiles or hugs or handshakes. This was the way of our
family."
We don't learn much about Durrance's weak, passive father. Uncle Artie
becomes his hero and a big influence. Artie is the man he goes to when he
needs to understand something, such as accidently seeing Hoyt Benefield,
pants around his ankles, with a widow and mother while he's delivering milk.
Artie tells him
--Ah. Yes. My guess would be that what you were seeing there in that
kitchen was the old essential transaction itself.
--Transaction?
--Between a man and a woman. Basis of all life, really.
--Excuse me?
--Those children have to eat......
He adopts Artie's philosophy and collection of aphorisms as though they were
pearls of wisdom and repeats them ad nauseum throughout the book as though
they were the guiding principles of his life.
There was a lot I liked about this book and there were some patches of hope.
Marjorie's sister overcomes a drug addiction after a failed affair with the
doctor she works with. I thought Adrienne was an interesting character,
especially in the chapter where she's a feisty old lady of seventy-five and
thinks "Bald curiosity yields rich rewards. The
only way not to end up as somebody else's missionary work is to pitch in
there and do some yourself. The wall of human misery is like a slow tidal
wave you can never quite outrun, like in one of those old Japanese horror
movies." I thought this was a powerful interchange she had with her niece,
Phoebe:
--You know; you and I have something in common, I said.
--What's that?
--My mother didn't want me to be born either.
She looked at me like I'd pulled a knife on her. I plowed on, figuring I
would have to finish what I'd started.
--She used to tell me about it. She told me she drank turpentine to kill me.
She told me terrible things.
That crumpled her, that cracked the shell. She'd been waiting a long time to
run across somebody else who knows what that feels like.
--I used to think that your mother would snap out of it, and begin to pick
you up more or hold you on her lap. I used to think if we waited long
enough, she'd get more interested. And I used to look at all the little red
crinolines in the stores, and I'd think why couldn't I just TAKE you? I was
going to name you Julia Rebecca. And I always thought that the reason your
mother was always so mad with me was because you were always trying to run
away to my house.
She shrugged, kept creasing the dishtowel over and over. She wouldn't look
at me. I said, --You and I are going to be friends from here on out,
understand?
The title of the book seems to come from this passage from Harrison Durrance:
"The nadir of your life is the holiest. There is a point at which you will
opt for life you don't even understand yet. Something guides, something
takes over and navigates . . . This is the true wonder book of the air, the
secret flight manual tattooed inside you . . . The best to hope for is find
it navigable."
Barbara (reading Wonder Book of the Air--Cynthia Shearer)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Birthday Logic
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 04:34 PM EST
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040121342301.QAA25669@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carolina Cissie,
I have some good news for you. You are spending your last day or two being
50. Without realizing it, by the time we become fifty, we have completed our
50th year, so our Birthday marks the beginning of our 51st year, and everyone
knows the 41st, 51st, 61st and on and on years of our lives are easier to
acknowledge. This is not an April Fool's Joke, and it does go to prove that
all the forboding, the anxiety, are over something we have already
completed, since we catapult over that milestone the year before it happens,
and do not even realize it. So as your 50th year on this planet comes to a
close, I wish you a
MOST HAPPY 50th Birthday,
and
a great 51st Year!
Roe
< PS: I used a font appropriately named, "Crows Feet Light" for you! <G>
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: BFH etc.
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 05:21 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040122211601.RAA01429@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Diane- you wrote<<As for extended birthday celebrations...I'm all for them.
My birthday, May 26, almost always falls on or about Memorial Day Weekend. So
I like to say that the entire country gets a day off to celebrate with me!>>
My birthday is May 30th and in olden days THIS was Memorial Day. But I
always felt cheated- no cupcakes that day and my parties always had to be
planned at other times since so many folks made plans for the day. Now I
generally work on my birthday but as I am over 50 it doesn't make any
difference to me. I really enjoy just letting the day pass.
And for my 50th, this coincided with Mich's college graduation so there was
no fuss or party or any other plans fo me. Just a wonderful graduation
celebration and dinner in honor of our daughter. Actually all of these
things were done for my 40th.
And to the person who said that the best party was for someone who had little
money, I have to say our best times were in this one bedroom apartment where
everyone sprawled across the floors and were happy with cheese, wine and
apples and endless discussions on important issues. Now we have these dinner
parties with expensive good and wine but sometimes stiff people with ever
deadlier conversation. Ah youth or the memories of it now....
Its pouring and I'm suppose to be leaving soon to see Nora Roberts at a book
signing. Hoping also to see Joan and Deb (going to try and convince Joan to
read one Roberts book and watch her become a convert) but whoknows what my
driver - DH will have to say about this when he arrives home.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Call It Sleep
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 05:25 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040122253001.RAA04841@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Do you mean the book CALL IT SLEEP by Henry Roth. This is a very old classic
book of the immigrant life on the Lower East Side of NY. I read this many,
many years ago. Roth actually never published another book until a few years
ago and then one or two more books that formed sort of a series abotu the
protagonist. Roth died a few years ago.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: March List
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 05:27 PM EST
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040122272201.RAA05154@ladder03.news.aol.com>
A good reading month, March was. My yardstick is vivid memory or lasting
impression, and those titles in boldface will not be forgotten. Very Fine.
Paradise Toni Morrison
worth the time, did not much like the story, some characters
contrived, but found it interesting and quite different anyway.
Wonder Book of the Air Cynthia Shearer
Absolutely wonderful and Full/Did not want it to end
To Dance With The White Dog Terry Kay
Lovely character study, Grounded, and Sentimental
The Distinguished Guest Sue Miller
Okay
UnNatural Exposure Patricia Cornwell
This Kay Scarpetta was exciting/plenty of forensics
AUDIOS
Tuesdays With Morrie/ excellent
Street Lawyer/ nothing new under the sun
Sula Toni Morrison:
Plan to order this novel in hardback. Compelling and Beautiful. What a
work of art. Poetry and pathos. I loved it.
Roe<--Reading Asylum by Patrick McGrath ( am not enjoying the narration style
very much, as most of the story is "told" to the reader, but an interesting
study of a woman consumed by passion))
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: this and that
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 05:33 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040122335400.RAA03687@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Pat - hope all is well. My anxiety level is way high too - both Mich and I
have appointments on Friday with our surgeon so I'll keep you and all other
book nookers in my prayers- hope you'll do the same for us.
You wrote:<<Nancy: Sure hope the cortisone does it for that pesky excema,
especially if you garden. Do you?>>
When the dr. examined my hands, he asked if I wash dishes- I almost burst out
laughing. As for gardening- you wanna see weeds????
My hands are a little better but Bruce is still convinced its due to the
puter.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 05:36 PM EST
From: JTCURRAN2
Message-id: <1998040122362600.RAA04172@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Roe - Your post to Cissie tickled me. The Italian way is to look forward and
say you are "going on 10 or 20 or 50" and I have always said I was a year
older than I actually am--it comes in useful now and again. <g> That is
until the day at the Mayo Clinic where I was having a routine physical and
the Doc asked my age. Without thinking I told him one year older that his
subtraction expected. After a curious look he started firing simple math
excercises at me. Seems he's never had a woman slip up on her age without
some incipient mental lapse in the offing. He's been my physician for years
now and he always opens with the age question and a grin. Now I'm afraid to
try to claim my legal age!
Subject: Mar list & stuff
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 06:14 PM EST
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998040123152201.SAA11389@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I had to hunt down my reading list notebook; 3 months into the year & I'm
already big-time lapsing. I either haven't read as much as usual, or I can't
remember! I will have to walk around the house & see what books are still on
the floor. LOL
1. Black & Blue--Anna Quindlen 9
2. Goodnight Nebraska--Tom O'Neal 4
3. Cavedweller--Dorothy Allison 3 (skimmed last third)
4. Hank & Chloe--JoAnn Mapson 9
5. Loving Chloe-- " " 6
6. Blue Rodeo--- " " 8
And...I can't remember if I finished this one as I can't remember one thing
about it:
7. Disappearance of Lindsay Barratt--
Jackie--I'm with you.. lemon (lemon) over chocolate anytime.
Carol, what do you DO with all those cookies? Are they all for you or are
you sending them out to all your BookNook friends?
RuthAlice--she said they hold a NAKED OLYMPICS at Macalester every year where
the students enter different events & participate in them when it is VERY
cold & they (boys & girls) are butt-naked. Sounds like fun.(?) Can't image
doing the high hurdles that way. (or any way) She did also say what a good
school it is.
SRULL--Did you mean you are celebrating your 50th birthday week or
celebrating Cissie's with us?
DD #1 has to be picked up at the airport tonight so I doubt I'll make it to
Fredonia.
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Some Call It Sleep
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 07:09 PM EST
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040200090201.TAA21878@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I remember Some Call It Sleep very well, having read it twice. It was first
published sometime in the 30s and has a somewhat dated feeling in the
language and the slightly melodramatic tone, however the story is engrossing
and remarkably advanced in its insight into poverty, parental behavior, and
love and how they interact in the character formation of children. This was
an important book in the development of our understanding of the immigrant
experience and reveals tremendous wisdom on the part of Henry Roth, the
author. It is a pity that it took more than 50 years for him to write another
book. I have not read his recent book, has anyone?
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Re: this and that
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 07:10 PM EST
From: Ludsmith
Message-id: <1998040200105200.TAA22265@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy: I had eczema on my hands for several years. My dermatologist ran
lots of tests for allergies, fungus, etc. I tried all kinds of cortisone
creams, ointments, lotions, etc. Finally I went to another doctor who used
topical antibiotics (Doxycyclin and Ceclor) in a water base which I put on my
hands a few times a day. It took a few months to knock out the eczema, but
my hands are great now. I felt like a mummy because I would have to bandage
almost every finger and joint after applying other medicines. Shauna
Subject: Books Read
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 07:18 PM EST
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040200184001.TAA26533@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Here's my list for the month.
Caucasia by Danzy Senna
The Fortune Catcher by Susanne Pari
Obsession by John Douglas
Enduring Love, by Ian McEwan
After Eli by Terry Kay
The Wonder Book of the Air by Cynthia Shearer
Now almost finished with WHERE SERPENTS LIE, by T. Jefferson Parker
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CISSIE!
i i
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Happy Birthday
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
* * * * * * *
* * * * *
Mari Lu
Wherever there is a human being, there is an opportunity for kindness.
-Seneca
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 07:34 PM EST
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040200344400.TAA27073@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Erika, ( Goodness, I went off on tangent no.#534 here)
Not always a bad ploy, to say one is older than one is. It is so funny that
I forgot how old I was for a couple of years too. As a lifeguard and
swimming instructor for nearly two decades before PABA, a tennis player,
outdoor worshipper, and a golfer, my face, lovely and guileless as it is <G>,
is roadmarked and traffic lined by Helios and that other Sun Titan, Hyperion.
I do not sit in Apollo's chariot under a canvas gazebo ( whoops, sorry Sue).
Sometimes, a little imp justs sits on the shoulder and compels me to lie
about my age, always to the Senior side. It is so much nicer to hear, "
well, you do not look that old", certainly more preferable than, " My Lord,
what have you done to yourself?" A little bit of vanity is not a bad thing,
I hope. In addition to watching time marching on in the vicinity of one's
face by employing an intimately positioned magnified mirror, are the assaults
from the glossy magazine and slick television images. Where do these people
live? Have they always nestled themselves under rocks and in mushroom
cellars? Did they save their skin at the expense of interesting activities?
Or are they just lucky?
I found out that it does not matter; time marches on under the bathing suit
line as well. What a relief. Some of those faces have secrets below the
neck. And that's also hitting below the belt! LOL
Even with all the plastic surgery out there, an individual remains
intrinsically the same: interesting, intelligent, and innately capable, or
shallow, vacuous, and self-absorbed. Give me roadmaps and humor, compassion
and interest, every time. It does hurt when the dreaded and inflammatory
catcalls cease ( did I say that sexist drivel?). When one is used to being
admired through no effort of her own, is minding her own business, and has
much to
offer, the abrupt cessation of gratuitous admiration is a blow, but the
strong and happy are ultimately delighted by the occasion to be recognized
only for themselves. What an opportunity. Being lovely is not skin deep,
but it was nice, once upon a time.
I apologize for lack of inhibitions and frontal lobe management, but, When I
Am Old, I Shall Wear Purple too. And that is for sure.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 07:52 PM EST
From: EACurran
Message-id: <1998040200524400.TAA00803@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Eor/Roe - You responded to a message that Rosemary wrote, not me! We are both
Currans. Not related. Except of course by BookNook.
Erika, finished The Wonder Book of the Air and started Alias Grace
Subject: This and That
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 08:00 PM EST
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998040201001200.UAA04924@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy April Fools Day - Okay I did not win the 6 million dollar lottery in
the state of Connecticut!!! The only thing I have ever won was a Toaster
playing BINGO an I never went back!!
Ginaagain - So good to have you join us in Fredonia the other night. You
have been missed. Take good care of yourself you a very important person
around here.
CKoucky - Pat sorry I missed your birthday. 14 is a good number mine is June
14. Now if I can remember how you typed those swear words so I won't lose my
membership. LOL Bitch all you want and I can hold your hand through
Cyberspace so you can be brave. But you don't have to be Brave. Love
seeing you Post again. Prayers coming your way.
Kiheikarol/Carol - Love the "Chain Letter" like you I usually do not like
them.
E1Boz/Carole #1 - Looking forward to meeting your friend in Fredonia to
night. Welcome Connie to Book Nook People. Post often and join us in
Fredonia.
EOR WILES/Roe - Thank you for introducing Ashley to us. I sent her a e-mail
and she not only replied but sent me a Instant Message.
CloudLA/Leslie - Love your tag-line. Your something else.!! I too got all
organized in Favorite Places. (Thank you new Pam) Yes, and Golda Meir's
quote
is precious. See you in Fredonia.
Ludsmith/Shauna - So sorry you team lost. It is such a big let down. I have
experienced it with both our men and womens' teams. But a new season will be
upon us in 8 mos.!! !!Just wait until next year!!!!
Glad the baby was not born in Cyberspace in Fredonia.
J5577/Jackie - thanks for the Instructions on Life. Printed it out and put
it on my bulletin board. Hope you got the books.
Buny32132/MaryAnn - I am memorizing the "Nice Message to Share" its a warm
and fuzzy. Thank You!
Skill 40/Suzanne - So glad you an the Mouse managed to get back to Posting
and also in Fredonia. We have missed you. I am so happy your using quotes
from "The Prophet" one of my very favorite books in my entire lifetime.
TDanks777/Terri - Oh, what a nice Post!. You cannot sit back and observe
anymore. I won't let you!!!! Your Post was marvelous and looking forward to
many more. Glad your turning the corner and ready to please YOU!!!! I have
been around for a while like a year an a half and had a very difficult time
beginning to Post. I'm suppose to be an extravert but something new, and
first time is scary for us all. Its not a race or contest of how many
books you read in one month. Its how much did you enjoy what you have read.
See you in Fredonia Chat.
Rashrr/Robin --Welcome and glad to see you posting. Many of us have similar
taste in books. You did good for the first time, lady. You will get more
enjoyment of this group as you Post. Come join us in Fredonia Chat. We talk
about books but also we talk about life.
Regards,
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 08:09 PM EST
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040201094100.UAA06806@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Rosemary.......
Mea culpa. Raison d'etre, raisins, currants, Currans...My heart was in the
right place.
Erika,
What do you think?<G> Thanks for cluing me in.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 08:14 PM EST
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998040201143001.UAA05159@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Roe:
I have smiled, laughed out loud, and simply enjoy your birthday logic. I too
Shall Wear Purple my friend.
Never ever apologize for lack of inhibitions and frontal lobe management,
but, When I Am Old, I Shall Wear Purple too. And that is for sure. "Ditto"
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: My tiny list for March
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 08:15 PM EST
From: Dixie80
Message-id: <1998040201161201.UAA08098@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Well my reading has slowed down A LOT now but I hope to figure out a way to
improve that now I'm getting to know how to run the library.
"The Sweet Hereafter" Russell Banks
"Voodoo River" Robert Crais
"Cold Mountain" Charles Frazier
"Black and Blue" Anna Quindlen
And I'm now trying to read "Ellen Foster" by Kaye Gibbons
Carole #2 in the Adirondacks
"If you can imagine it,
You can achieve it.
If you can dream it,
You can become it."
-William Arthur Ward
Subject: Cissie!
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 08:40 PM EST
From: E1 BOZ
Message-id: <1998040201403200.UAA12916@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday Cissie, and just remember:
50 is 5 perfect 10's !!!!!
Have a wonderful 51st year! Just develop the "attitude" and run with it!!
Carole #1
Carole #1 In Upstate NY, currently reading "Up Island", by Anne Rivers
Siddons.
"If you are not afraid to face the music, you may one day lead the band"...
Subject: Re: I've been mouseless!!!
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 08:42 PM EST
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998040201423301.UAA13285@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Robin -- What a small world. My nephew was also born in Sacred Heart
Hospital in Spokane since my brother lives in Spokane. As a matter of fact,
I have two brothers who live in Spokane.
Nancy in PA
Just finished The Wonder Book of Air and currently reading Here On Earth.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: I'm already wearing purple & book list for March
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 08:51 PM EST
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998040201513200.UAA12421@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Roe - I've always done whatever I wanted in the sun and my skin's held up
amazingly well - so I think it's genetic, as usual. Mind you the magnifying
mirror that I now have to use to apply makeup reveals a lot of lines but I
could never care about that. Makeup hides a lot.
Happy birthday, week, month and year, Cissie - hope all the celebrations are
wonderful.
Reading list for March (short, I know) -
Two volumes of A Dance to the Music of Time by Anthony Powell - A -
Remebrance of Things Past in English (and in England)
The Cat Who Caught a Thief by Lillian Braun - C - lacked energy, interest or
amusement but I read it all the way through.
Come Hell on High Water by ?? - B+ - totally amusing journal of a tramp
steamer trip around the world. The most enlightening insight into trips like
this is that all people do or have to do is drink. (Hopefully I'd read)
Going to Los Gatos for a wedding this weekend. We're leaving tomorrow and
will stay until Monday because we haven't been up north for a while and want
to to go San Francisco, Carmel, Capitola, Santa Cruz - other than the fact
that it's supposed to rain all weekend we should have a wonderful time.
Night, guys - got to pack -
P.S. Good luck with the cat scan, Pat - I know it will all be OK.
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Nora Roberts...
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 08:53 PM EST
From: SilvlocMom
Message-id: <1998040201535901.UAA15449@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Well, NRK/Nancy never made it to the book signing.. so I was on my own as to
which Nora Robert's book to buy. I figured since she was signing her new one
I'd buy that and picked up a paperback as well. There were over 50 very
zealous fans there laughing, taking pictures, eating cookies and celery. Deb
joined me in line where I was chatting with 2 really nice women.. the fact
that Nora Roberts was there was incidental to me. I finally made it to
the table where she sat and smiled at her and said "I've never even read one
of your books but thought I'd give them a try?" she smiled back and said
"it's always nice to meet a potential fan.." . Deb didn't think I'd have the
nerve to say that... fooled her didn't I. I am looking forward to reading
her now, I think I'm going to enjoy her books. And I picked these out all
without Nancy's help.. hope I did okay?
Nancy - hope all goes well at the doctor and you find some relief for your
hand problem. Deb and I (and DH too) missed you tonight.
Joan in NJ
Subject: Sundries
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 09:33 PM EST
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998040202332100.VAA22996@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cissie -- A very happy birthday week to you.
NRK -- Will be thinking about you and Mich on Friday.
Pat -- Good luck to you also with your Cat scan.
Marilu -- Do you think you could rate your books for March. I was especially
interested in seeing how you rated The Fortune Catcher and Enduring Love
before I read them.
Marco Maniac -- How could you cook that much???
Nancy in PA
Just finished The Wonder Book of Air and currently reading Here On Earth.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: MARCH READS
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 09:47 PM EST
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998040202470001.VAA23153@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I just posted this same thing in Fav. Fiction so if you just came from there,
you can skip this post. Also, I don't know how to transfer it from there to
here so I have to type the whole thing over.
I love reading everyone's posts about what they have read that month but I
especially like it when we rate the books we have read. It makes it much
more exciting to see if I would like the same books.
So...following are my reads for the month...rated, of course. LOL
Black & Blue, Anna Quindlen -- 9 -- Really enjoyed this book, the writing and
the characters. I have a son the same age so the ending really killed me.
A Virtuous Woman, Kaye Gibbons -- 4 -- Found this book very boring although I
know many of you loved it.
To Dance With the White Dog, Terry Kay -- 7 -- Enjoyable; I love dogs so I
think that added to my enjoyment otherwise I might have rated it lower.
Sooner Or Later, Elizabeth Adler -- 5 -- Recommended by my mother. she loved
it; I thought it was very predictable and if I was in the book, I could have
solved the crime on page 150 at least.
Snow Falling on Cedars, David Guterson -- 9 -- Loved this book. Loved the
characters and the setting. Hated what was done to the Japanese/Americans
during that time.
The Wonder Book of the Air, cynthia Shearer -- 4 -- Really did not like this
book at all. I would have rated it lower but I think I did like one or two
chapters. Felt the characters were depressing; everyone was sorry they had
kids; everyong wanted to be with someone other than the ones they were with.
Gave a new meaning to the word dysfunctional.
Started Here On Earth by Alice Hoffman but didn't finish in time for this
list.
Nancy in PA
Just finished The Wonder Book of Air and currently reading Here On Earth.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Re: Life in the big city
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 09:51 PM EST
From: Andie1040
Message-id: <1998040202514400.VAA24085@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Ruth, the Reader-Watcher: Me too! I constantly read and watch tv .It used to
drive my kids crazy, but they realized they had a built-in excuse for having
the tv or radio on when doing their homework. Oh well. Stitching is a
favorite too, in the winter. Don't like threads and things in my hands when
it's hot! Books are right, tho, for all seasons.
~Andrea in Illinois ....currently reading Cause of Death by Patricia Cornwell
"In the end, everything is a gag" - Charlie Chaplin
Subject: No Nora tonight
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 09:54 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040202541100.VAA24580@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Just my luck- I have my three Nora Roberts books that are my faves (how many
can you bring? - they're all good) and I can't wait to meet with Joan and Deb
too and then oh no - torrential rain. Flooded streets to say nothing of my
basment which so far is fine and then oh me oh my - thunder and lightening to
say nothing of the fact that Bruce was already exhausted from driving in rain
and traffic for the better part of the day here and there so we
stayed home. Oh well - I am really bummed out but as we say - the best laid
plans etc.
But I was so upset and Bruce was so sweet, I figured I can do major damage in
the bookstores over the weekend and he won't say a word.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Call it Sleep
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 10:00 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040203004200.WAA25923@ladder01.news.aol.com>
To the best of my knowledge this book by Henry Roth is titled Call It Sleep
not Some Call it Sleep.
And yes, Ruth I have read Mercy in a Rude Stream and hope to read the others
as well. Roth has ben considered something of a literary phenomenon -with
only one published book in so many years. He died after completing the last
book of this series, if one could call it a series.
Just checked Amazon and they seem to have all of his books.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: MARCH BOOKS
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 10:02 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040203024600.WAA28912@ladder03.news.aol.com>
My list is somewhat shorter for this month as I read two books that were
almost 700 pages each.
Green Darkness by Anya Seton - 10 - a reread after 25 years - still very
wonderful
Tears of the Moon by Di Morrissey- 9 - a traditional grand and sweeping novel
set in Australia
To Dance With the White Dog by Terry Kay- 9 - good sentimental read
Isolated Incident by Susan Sloan - 9
Dance of Dreams by Nora Roberts - 8
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Picking scabs
Date: Wed, 01 April 1998 10:34 PM EST
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998040203344801.WAA02616@ladder01.news.aol.com>
John. Thank you for coming back and speaking so eloquently on a subject that
has also been troubling me. I agree with you about teaching ABSOLUTE right
and wrong. It is so difficult to do when your children are among others whose
parents are not doing the same. I see it with my young children in things as
simple as jumping on the furniture, eating too much candy,
watching TV shows & movies that I don't approve of for them at their age. I
realise that I must be on top of them now for these simple things to protect
them from following along when the dangerous peer pressure begins. And I
sometimes wish we could all get together for a parents meeting and agree on
how to raise our kids right. I can remember feeling sorry for Ian, watching
other kids talking and making noise in church. He couldn't understand why a
family that we socialized with outside of church was alllowed to behave this
way, and he couldn't. These were nice people that we liked, why was it wrong
for him to behave that way, if it was OK for them?
I am often told how well behaved my children are. Many times by people who's
children are monsters. Why? Because I don't stop reminding them the
difference between right and wrong. You can't stop reminding them. Several
years ago I went to a PTA seminar on AIDS awareness for elementary age
children. Of course the question came up of how do you teach children that
don't know anything about sex, about AIDS prevention. The speaker told us
something that
I have adhered to ever since. When you take your small child out of the car
in a parking lot, what do you do? You tell them to take your hand. You don't
just tell them that once, you tell them EVERY TIME you take them out of that
car. The same goes with AIDS prevention at an early age: You always tell them
to practice good Hygiene. You protect them from what might be risky behavior
for them at their age. You remind them, every time they go to the
playground; if someone gets cut, you don't touch their blood. That's good
hygiene. You remind them to wash their hands before eating, that's good
hygiene. You KEEP reminding them. As they get older, you still remind them to
protect themselves from risky behavior.You remind them, when their young
teens, that body piercing is risky behavior. And at every age appropriate
moment you REMIND them. You don't stop! I have taken what I learned at that
seminar
and applied it to every aspect of teaching my children. Healthy lifestyle,
respect for others, right & wrong. My children are young, yet. But I believe
that I have set a standard which they have come to accept. Ian will turn 11
this year. He's a really good kid and has made excellent choices in
friendships. We watch Sally Jesse R together sometimes and he KNOWS who is
trouble and who can be redeemed. And that is because I always remind him.
There
will never come a time while I'm raising my children, that I will let up on
this. My parents never did, and I am very happy with the way I turned out! i
just wish all parents would get together and adhere to a simple standard.
BTW: What's the going rate for the tooth fairy? There's another subject I
wish we could all agree on!
That's my TOO cents!
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Re: Picking scabs
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 12:30 AM EST
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998040205305801.AAA25727@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I like it, Suzanne, reminding constantly. Too late for my own perhaps,
though they've turned out fine but a rule I can use with grandkids. Thanks,
I'm printing this out for my dd and dil.
Books for the month, ALREADY!!!!
books are rated on a 1 to 5 scale but I'm an easy grader, I give anyone
credit for just writing a book!
At Weddings and Wakes, Alice McDermott 3
Evening Class, M. Binchey 5, what's not to
love, comfort reading!
Daring to Dream, Nora Roberts 2, sorry, Nancy, my
first and I didn't love it.
Schindler's List, Thomas Keneally 5
Acquired Tastes, Peter Mayle 3
See Jane Run Joy Felding 4, a good thriller!
Sacred and Profane Faye Kellerman 2
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 01:13 AM EST
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040206130901.BAA29170@ladder01.news.aol.com>
LOL over "crow's feet light" font! I don't have that one, but need to get
it!
Cissie, wearing a birthday crown all week
Subject: Re: this and that
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 01:15 AM EST
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040206152400.BAA02186@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy -- Hope the surgeon has only positive things to say to you and Michelle
on Friday. Keep us posted!
Cissie, wearing a birthday crown all week
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 01:26 AM EST
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040206265500.BAA01033@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I like the birthday logic of saying that I'm older than I am. I've already
figured this out -- when anyone has the temerity to ask, I simply say "75".
Then I have to pray that he looks astonished! Woe to him who doesn't!
Since everyone is bragging about book lists, I'll post mine, though I don't
remember the month, just that it was since January 1:
Intrusions, Ursula Hegi
The Sweet Hereafter, Russell Banks **
Rule of the Bone, Banks *
Longing for Home, Buechner *
How Close We come, Susan Kelly
The Horse Whisperer (finally, just because everyone around here talks about
it)
In This House of Brede (a wonderful reread) **
Nathan's Run
The Long Walk *
The Book of Ruth
'The Rapture of Canaan *
Black and Blue, Anna Quindlen *
Jewel, Bret Lott *
After Dark, Margonin
Winter Birds, Grimsley **
Faith in What?
The Partner (what a waste)
Memoirs of a Geisha **
Whistle **
The Atonement Child (don't bother)
Echo House, Ward Just
Here on Earth
The Weight of Water (in progress)
Francis and Clare
Cissie, wearing a birthday crown all week
Subject: Re: Our Mom
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 01:29 AM EST
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040206295601.BAA03939@ladder03.news.aol.com>
EOR/Roe...Thank you for sharing your wise words of advice. I appreciate
being able to listen in and to learn. I realized a few weeks ago, when we
got the report on my mom, which though shocking to me was considered good by
her doctors, that I couldn't spend my time worrying and fretting. No matter
what time we have together, it should be enjoyed and we should continue to
have fun and, as you so aptly put it, celebrate. I know Carole and Jackie
appreciated your words, as do I.
Lita
Subject: Talk of the Nation
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 02:01 AM EST
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040207012901.CAA07465@ladder03.news.aol.com>
As I was pulling up to my office yesterday at the stroke of 10 (for a 10:00
meeting, of course!) I heard the intro for "Talk of the Nation" on NPR. The
intro could have mirrored our "conversations" of the past days....not all
aspects of Jonesboro but the debate on gun control. It was as if someone had
read all our posts, summarized them beautifully, chose experts on both sides
of the issue and.....????....had to turn the radio off and dash into the
office. Anyone hear it?
Lita - Currently readiing "Compromising Positions" by Susan Isaacs
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading The Bone Collector by Jeffrey Deaver and listening to Indigo Slam by
Robert Crais.
GO BRUINS!!!!!!!
Subject: Re: Picking scabs
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 02:26 AM EST
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040207270201.CAA07361@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sue....Is your top rating a 5? I cannot figure out which you are
recommending. And I value your opinions!
Do tell...Lita
Subject: Cissie
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 07:25 AM EST
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998040212251201.HAA17649@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Happy
Birthday,
to you...
today,
&
the rest
of the
year!
CELEBRATE!!!!!!!
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Burning Answers to Burning Questions
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 08:07 AM EST
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040213075601.IAA23828@ladder03.news.aol.com>
LESLIE: cookies?? To see me, you would think I eat them all - :) - but
Friday is a BIG tennis end of the year party - that's where all the cooking &
baking is headed this week.
When Alex walks in & sees either me or the kitchen in action, he smiles
because he KNOWS I am working out my anxieties & I am really happy with what
I am doing. If I cook it or bake it, I don't necessarily have to eat it - it
numbs the demons for me.
ROE: when I am old (any minute now) I SHALL WEAR A BIG BROWN PAPER BAG (over
my head). This area - Naples, Fla in particular, is known as the FACE LIFT
CAPITAL OF THE WORLD - I think it even makes Hollywood look pale, by
comparison & per capita. I feel as if I am the only one who has not been
'adjusted'. What you sees is how I arrived (except for the useless
plumbing)- why, I even have my tonsils-:) But they don't show, & they aren't
too
wrinkled yet.
I shall now collect this bag of bones (covered in sunscreen) & schlepp it off
to the golf course, for a few hours of non-stop frustration & fun in the sun.
Man, is it HOT out there! And it's only April.
The Maniac, Riding rampant
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 10:03 AM EST
From: JTCURRAN2
Message-id: <1998040215034701.KAA07037@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Roe - That was, my dear, a hilarious transition. Does your mind ever sleep?
Rosemary Raisin, ummm, I mean Currant. NO, no, Curran.
Subject: Books in March
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 10:07 AM EST
From: Rickie122
Message-id: <1998040215071601.KAA04931@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Books I read in March:
Cadillac Jukebox (unabridged tapes) by James Lee Burke. DH and I listened on
the
way to Florida.
Evening Class by Maeve Binchy
Durable Goods by Elizabeth Berg
Talking to the Dead by Helen Dunmore
Into the Forest by Jean Heglund
Comfort Woman by Nora Okja Keller
Earth-Fires Dance by Janice Steinberg
Memoirs of a Geisha by Arthur Golden
Off to Chicago this afternoon where Sue (Gazebo316) will join DH and me for a
theater
evening on Saturday night. I'm so looking forward to meeting her!
All of you lovely booknook people, don't be too prolific with posts -- I
have a heck of a time catching up!
Rickie in MI
Woman's virtue is man's greatest invention.
- Cornelia Otis Skinner
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 10:23 AM EST
From: Rickie122
Message-id: <1998040215232801.KAA06875@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cissie -- love your birthday logic of adding 25 years to your age. Reminds
me of when I was pregnant with my second child. Although I wasn't due until
Mar. 1, from Thanksgiving on until Christmas, people would express strong
disbelief when they asked me my due date and I told them.(This was probably
because I had weighed about 90 lbs. before I got pregnant, and had gained
close to 30 by that time and I was huge.) Anyway, I was so tired of the
constant doubt of the possibility that I was telling the truth about my due
date that I took to telling people (when asked) that I was due January 1. I
figured, let them worry about it!
In my defense, these people were not close friends or relatives...
Rickie
Woman's virtue is man's greatest invention.
- Cornelia Otis Skinner
Subject: Koontz
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 11:21 AM EST
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998040216214100.LAA16454@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I am currently listening to Fear Nothing by Dean Koontz. This man never
ceases to amaze me. How anyone can write horror stories in such a poetic
manner is remarkable. His words are so beautiful.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, IMHO, is The Cobra Event. In this book
it seemed to me that the author went out of his way to try and make things as
ugly as possible. I have attended autopsies and did human cadaver dissection
as a physical therapy student so I am used to the "unpleasant" to say the
least. But, I found this authors descriptions to be the most vile and
disgusting imaginable. I returned it to the library without finishing
it.
I am currently reading The Bone Collector and find it most interesting and up
to Deaver's usual good read.
Carol
Subject: Re: Rating
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 03:10 PM EST
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998040220101401.PAA12821@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi Lita, top rating is a five. But it's hard to rate any. A #5 fluff book
is a whole lot different than a #5 profound book but both worthwhile for what
they are.
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: I'm already wearing purple & book list for March
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 04:24 PM EST
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040221245101.QAA23795@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Going to Los Gatos for a wedding this weekend.>>
Mary Ann,
How funny... I'm going to Los Gatos for a wedding next weekend! Have a
wonderful time.. maybe it won't rain all weekend.
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: My March Books
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 05:16 PM EST
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998040222162400.RAA04944@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I only finished four, but to encourage others who only read a couple
themselves, I'll post my little list in the order I finished them:
Black Cherry Blues--James Lee Burke B+ Dave Robicheaux, a former New
Orleans policeman, is pursued by a psychopath and flees his home on the
Louisiana bayou to
find a new life in Montana. After settling near the Blackfoot River Canyon,
Robicheaux finds himself in the middle of an illegal Mafia takeover of Indian
lands.This won the 1990 Edgar Award for best mystery novel. I like this
writer a lot.
Possession--Ann Rule C Very creepy novel about a woman's camping trip to
Washington's Cascade mountains that goes awry--leaving her husband dead, and
her only hope for survival with the twisted stranger that murdered him. Made
my skin crawl.
Leaving Cheyenne--Larry McMurtry B+ Two best friends and the woman they both
love tell their own stories over a 40-year span. A little slow, but not to
be missed if you're a McMurtry fan. (Wrote Lonesome Dove, one of my all-time
favorite books)
Night Prey--John Sandford C- Cat burglar/serial killer obssessed with
beautiful woman carves her initials on his victims and is trailed by
Minneapolis deputy police chief Lucas Davenport. I don't know why I finished
this. I wouldn't recommend it, and don't think I'll bother with anything
else he's written.
Barbara (reading A Big Storm Knocked it Over--Laurie Colwin)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Picking scabs
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 06:18 PM EST
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998040223184100.SAA13183@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Suzanne -- bless you! You are doing a wonderful job raising your children,
and I should know... having met your charming Ian. You expressed yourself
eloquently in your post. I wish we could post your post (huh?) in school
hallways, in churches and YMCAs, in libraries, on TV... well, you know what I
mean ... because I was that impressed with your words and practice. Keep it
up... never let up...
Sally
Subject: Re: My March Books
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 06:19 PM EST
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998040223194500.SAA15973@ladder03.news.aol.com>
OK you smoked me out! I'm one of the ones that does not have a long list, and
I'm not ashamed to admit it!!! Hey, I've been giving chickenpox treatments
for the whole month! Anyone wanna trade places!!!!????
I started Wonder Book of the Air in Feb. and finished it in March. A+
I have been s l o w l y plugging away at How to Read an Unwritten Language by
Philip Graham and should finish it tonight. Also an A+. I wish someone else
would read this book and comment on it. I did post some excerpts from it and
the info from the back cover a couple of weeks ago and haven't gotten any
bites.
That's it folks....the whole list!
See ya!
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Nancy
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 06:31 PM EST
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998040223320000.SAA15530@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy/NRK -- As Bobby Simone (NYPD Blue) said the other night to Andy
Sipowitz (sp?) , I'll "have a good thought" -- for you and Michelle
tomorrow. As Miss Sally in NJ says, you will both be in my prayers.
Sally
Subject: Re: March List, et al
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 06:38 PM EST
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998040223384400.SAA16659@ladder01.news.aol.com>
This area is such an important part of my life now. I can't get to the
boards every day, but I always read everything, and appreciate everyone's
words of wisdom, jokes, critiques, book lists, human dramas, etc. It's quite
a slice of life here. Since I'm often reading posts a couple of days late, I
tend not to add my two cents because someone else has already made the same
point. I loved Giljohn's post, and was especially glad to read
it because we don't hear too much from him lately. RuthAlice, I'm always
impressed by your good sense and broad knowledge, and your passion for what
you believe in. I won't mention any other names, because I don't want anyone
to feel left out. Depend on it, if you post here, I will read it, and I'll
try to respond more often with my thoughts. I've always been more of a
listener than a talker by nature.
Haven't read too many books in March, because I try to keep current with the
daily newspaper, and I have to read some of my magazines before those piles
are toppling over! In order of reading:
PAYMENT IN BLOOD by Elizabeth George, a 9. She writes excellent English
mysteries.
A VIRTUOUS WOMAN by Kaye Gibbons, a 7. I liked it, but not great. I may try
another of her's.
ACT OF BETRAYAL by Edna Buchanon, a 9. One of a very good series about a
female Miami crime reporter.
PATTY JANE'S HOUSE OF CURL by Lorna Landvik, a 9. Enjoyed this a lot, cared
about the characters.
So that's the lot. I'd like to try that series GRADGLASS mentioned about
south Florida murders. And Maeve Binchy's EVENING CLASS is on the TBR stack.
And I still haven't started Burke's NEON RAIN, a Dave Robicheaux that is
waiting. Such decisions!
Carolyn on Long Island, where sudden summer is turning back to spring!
Subject: Re: Nancy
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 07:03 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040300035300.TAA21109@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Miss Sally and others who have sent e mail or mentioned Mich and my drs.
appointment or even thought about us privately - we thank each and every one
of you from the bottom of our hearts for keeping us in your prayers.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: March List and other things.
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 07:11 PM EST
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998040300122801.TAA25265@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cissie, glad to have you on board, or as those of you who have been on longer
than I, back on board. And a very happy birthday all this week. Hope the big
celebration helps you to get over the bad birthday.
I know some birthdays are harder to endure than others. Thirty-nine was
harder for me than 40, 46 was terribly hard, and 50 was a stinker, but since
then, time has not bothered me unless I look in the mirror very carefully.
And the other night l was leaning over to turn on the hot water in the tub
and I happened to look back at my thighs. Those firm thighs that I have been
bragging about, that I work out four days a week to keep in good shape,
that I walk everyday to keep in shape--those thighs rebelled against me and
have developed a definite sag. Almost as bad as the crepey skin on them.
And those underarm sags that I sweat bullets with free weights to make
disappear.
Well, with that cheerfull news, Happy Birthday, anyway, Cissie!
Jackie and Carole, I was so disturbed to hear about your mother. She sounds
like one fiesty woman, and I know that both of you have been proud to have
her as your parent. From what I gather from getting to know you both on this
bit of the net, she has definitely passed on good stuff to both of you. I
know the near future will be hard for you both. My prayers are with you.
Pam, welcome to our midst. What a good time to come out of the closet--on
your birthday! Consider us your birthday present.
And Paula, when I was in the lurk mode myself, I missed your birthday.
Belated good wishes to you and hope the day was great.
Mike--hope that Karen is better by now. I know that it will be hard for her
to be patient while her wounds heal. How lucky she is to have a friend like
you around.
Nancy I do hope all went well with you and Michelle today. You have been in
my prayers today.
Here is my March list in the order I read them:
Under the Tuscan Sun--8--Great in some places, made me jealous that I, too,
did not have a house in Tuscany and a new man who would do all those things
that her significant other would do, but at some places the book did drag
To Dance with the White Dog--9--Lovely book with good characters. Might make
an interesting contrast with AS I LAY DYING to see how families handle death.
Resistance by Anita Shreve--7--good story
Enduring Love by Ian McLean--8--I probably rated this one higher than most of
you because it did speak to me about the price of being right or needing to
be right
The Weight of Water by Anita Shreve--8--Loved it.
Indigo Slam--9--my introduction to Crais, and one that made a believer out
of me.
The Wonder Book of the Air--8--well written, but I had a hard time getting
through this one. Enough disfunction going on here that my family looked
really good.
Now reading Where Serpents Lie and loving it but having a hard time getting
throught it because of all the references to snakes--just one of my phobias.
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 07:38 PM EST
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040300383700.TAA29997@ladder03.news.aol.com>
ROE--Your post is hilarious! You're going to love me when you see me, dear!
I've got lots of roadmaps and humor, compassion and interest! And I earned
all of it!
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 07:52 PM EST
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040300525401.TAA29953@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Marilu,
You just quoted one of my favorite Langston Hughes poems, and it made me sit
back and think. You always make me sit back and think. Lord, pull this
woman up off her haunches and get her busy, invested in life. Thank you.
"I's still climbing" Don't you sit down on that stair. Life for me Ain't
been no Crystal Staircase. Yet another Langston Hughes.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 08:11 PM EST
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040301112301.UAA03511@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I just E-Mailed MARILU this message:
Does my post imply,"Pull this woman up off her haunches", meaning ME? I hope
so. I just reread my instant reaction to your post and felt, rather than
ascertained, a faulty reference. I sure as heck hope no one infers that I am
pulling you up off your haunches. You ( and your haunches) are just fine.
It was I who needed an impetus and a nudge, plus a swift kick in the
backside.
quack, quack, quack, pulling splinters out of derriere.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 08:18 PM EST
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040301181301.UAA04842@ladder01.news.aol.com>
No matter how diligently we raise our children to do the right thing in all
circumstances, I wonder how many of us can say we honestly adhere to that
standard. Our parents taught us to tell the truth, to obey the law. We give
the same messages to our children. This is good.
Your friend with the beautiful, long red hair had it cut by Barney the
Butcher, who also died it raven black with platinum streaks. What do you say
when you see her?
The speed limit is 55 mph. You're on an open highway: no traffic either
direction, beautiful, clear weather. How fast are you going?
The cashier at the supermarket undercharges you 10 cents for an item. Do you
tell her/him? She undercharges you $5 for an item. Do you tell her?
Just wondering.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY CISSIE - APRIL 3/98
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 09:11 PM EST
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040302113100.VAA14825@ladder01.news.aol.com>
OK Cissie I have waited
Long enough to write this pome -
Hope it finds you hale & hearty
Celebrating safe at home.
Being fifty is so nifty
We can all commiserate -
With dear Cissie on her birthweek,
Is this some new Southern trait?
You'll need lots of strength & verve
To celebrate all year,
And a lot of sleep & nerve
And a fat bankroll I fear.
Order diamonds, mink & jewels -
Hubby has a chore,
For when these belles get started you can
Hear them holler "MORE!!"
We're waiting for our gilt-edged cards
To lead us to the fun -
You know without us it's no party
We can make it run.
The gowns are out of mothballs,
The limo's at the gate -
We've doused ourselves with perfume
And now we just can't wait!
Just order in some extra,
We will not eat a lot -
We'll spend the night at your house
'Cause the motel's not so hot.
You want a lengthy birthday?
Well, we can fill the bill -
We'll bring all kinds of wishes,
Now that you've 'reached the hill'.
So Happy Birthday Cissie,
We hope your year is long-
And all throughout your party,
We'll sing the Book Nook Song:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOOOO YOUUUUUUU,
MAY YOUR DAYS NOT BE BLUE,
MAY YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND,
AND NEVER GET THROUGH.
EAT CAKE & ICE CREAM,
AND DON'T YOU DARE WHINE -
JUST WAKE UP ON MONDAY, &
PLAY FORTY-NINE!
XXXXXXX FROM YOUR BOOK NOOK BUDS
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Langston Hughes
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 09:14 PM EST
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998040302142000.VAA18005@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Roe, you wrote << "I's still climbing" Don't you sit down on that stair.
Life for me Ain't been no Crystal Staircase. Yet another Langston Hughes. >>
I had to look it up and found a couple of others that I really like too, so I
thought I'd print them here:
April Rain Song
by Langston Hughes
Let the rain kiss you.
Let the rain beat upon your head with silver liquid drops.
Let the rain sing you a lullaby.
The rain makes still pools on the sidewalk.
The rain makes running pools in the gutter.
The rain plays a little sleep-song on our roof at night--
And I love the rain.
Teacher
by Langston Hughes
Ideals are like the stars,
Always above our reach.
Humbly I tried to learn,
More humbly did I teach.
On all honest virtues
I sought to keep firm hold.
I wanted to be a good man
Though I pinched my soul.
But now I lie beneath cool loam
Forgetting every dream;
And in this narrow bed of earth
No lights gleam.
In this narrow bed of earth
Star-dust never scatters,
And I tremble lest the darkness teach
Me that nothing matters.
And, the one Roe mentioned is:
Mother to Son
by Langston Hughes
Well, son, I'll tell you:
Life for me ain't been no crystal stair.
It's had tacks in it,
And splinters,
And boards torn up
And places with no carpet on the floor-
Bare.
But all the time
I'se been a-climbin'on,
And reachin' landin's,
And turnin' corners,
And sometimes goin' in the dark
Where there ain't been no light.
So boy, don't you turn back.
Don't you set down on the steps
'Cause you finds it's kinder hard.
Don't you fall now-
For I'se still goin', honey,
I'se still climbin',
And life for me ain't been no crystal stair.
By the way, for other Langston Hughes fans, the web page where I found links
to these and several of his other poems is at RedFrog - Poems from the
planet Earth - Langs...
Barbara (reading A Big Storm Knocked it Over--Laurie Colwin)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY CISSIE - APRIL 3/98
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 09:34 PM EST
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998040302341401.VAA19075@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Great poem, Carol. I thought I'd bring the cake and some balloons and we
could get the party started early.....
"Age is a case of mind over matter. If you don't mind it, it doesn't
matter."---Mark Twain
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Birthdays
I'm sorry you are wiser,
I'm sorry you are taller;
I liked you better foolish
And I liked you better smaller.
Aline Murray Kilmer (1888-1944), U.S. poet. For the Birthday of a Middle-Aged
Child.
Barbara (reading A Big Storm Knocked it Over--Laurie Colwin)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 09:49 PM EST
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040302490800.VAA24744@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judi and All:
Your words inspired this very tired but nervous response.
I lost my classroom key yesterday. No big deal. Right? Wrong. If my key
is lost, I will be responsible for replacing the lock which is an ordeal and
expensive for non-duplicated master keys. It was stolen right off my desk.
I offered a five dollar reward, no questions asked. Today my student, let's
call him Jamal, produced the key. I said, "Would you be satisfied with 2
dollars?" He said, "No, after all, I found it, and you said five
dollars". I peeled off five dollars. All the other kids know there was
duplicity and theft involved. Some are congratulating Jamal, another third
are wondering why they did not become richer, and the last third are asking
me, " Mrs. Wiles, why are you having to pay for your own key, I would have
given it to you?" What am I supposed to tell them?
We deal with no wrong or right while working with our children.. From the
ages of eleven up, kids have a new set of rules. A scary new set of rules
which are followed obediently according to their mental orientation. With my
own, it was often echoed as " I will do what I want, when I want, and too bad
for messy rooms and your values". But they followed them, mine and their own
proclivities, huffing and puffing. They stomped their feet and
threw things. They had a good time within the family and laughed a lot.
Life wasn't too bad. There was so much love. We said, " Some things are
right, and some things are wrong". The tenets of civilized behavior are
evident.
I have utmost respect for young Moms and their hopes and convictions that the
best upbringing will achieve desired results, but no matter how many times
one says the words, reinforces the concerns, or caresses the children, they
rebel. They start thinking for themselves. In my infancy as a young Mother,
we, my family, had an idyllic existence.
Look into peer pressure and current status, and hope and pray that they must,
just might remember, upbringing. Perhaps yes or no. My children believed in
hygiene, the Easter Bunny, and good works for ten or more years (reinforced
every day). While in college, my kids brought lice to my house, venereal
disease, and pregnancy, plus alcohol. They are very bright and educated.
Can one not see the forest for the trees? Kids cannot. Life was
fraught with despair and experimentation. All children are supposed to
follow the program. They frequently do not.
Apparently not. It hits us all. How we hope intelligence and common sense
will prevail. Right and Wrong are not a consideration with our children in
their older years, until our progeny have families or wives of their own.
Then it starts all over again. There is a huge gap between parents and
children. There will always be the chasm with young adults and their
mentors.. Sometimes, the gap is bridged by necessity. When they, the
wayward kids,
summon maturity and intelligent thought, there appears a window of calm,
until the next time. Their lives are as complex and frightening as they
come. Most of the time, we cannot even imagine what they do. Sometimes,
they mature.
Life goes on.
Most of what we do as parents imbeds values and long lasting memories, but
the meanwhile is frightening, when they aberrate into their own little
personal agendas, especially while they are experiencing whatever. Church,
adages, values, are less influential than time spent, physical contact, and
comforting words. And the heinous thing is that any word from a peer is
umpteen times more influential than a word from a trusted adult.
IMO.
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: My March Books
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 10:15 PM EST
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040303150401.WAA26996@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Suzanne,
How to Read an Unwritten Language by Philip Graham and should finish it
tonight. Also an A+. I wish someone else would read this book and comment on
it. I did post some excerpts from it and the info from the back cover a
couple of weeks ago and haven't gotten any bites.
You have a bite. I have it on reserve at the library, but it must be good
because there's a long waiting list.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Re: Nancy
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 11:27 PM EST
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998040304272101.XAA13214@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy,
Special thoughts and prayers for you and your daughter tonight and tomorrow.
You must be very nervous, especially for Michele. May all be well.
Carolyn on LI
Subject: Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 02 April 1998 11:55 PM EST
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040304551301.XAA17916@ladder03.news.aol.com>
You can place me with those who believe that there are many shades of gray in
between absolute right and absolute wrong. I doubt there are few absolutes
since moral judgement is influenced by culture and, most certainly, by age.
A man is married to a woman who is dying of a rare disease which can be cured
by a drug that is sold only by Acme Pharmaceuticals. Since Acme is the only
vendor, they can charge what they please and they are very pleased to sell
the drug for $2000, ten times what it cost to produce. The man is not able to
afford the drug. He has $1000 and begs the company to sell it to him. They
refuse. Is it morally wrong for him to steal the drug and save his
wife's life?
Suppose you are in Kosovo and the Serbian police are looking for Tom, Dick
and Harry, whom you saw hide in the neighbor's cellar. The police knock on
your door and ask you if you have seen them. Is it morally wrong to lie?
We make moral choices less drastic than these examples all the time. We tell
acquaintances that their new dress is "interesting". We tell the absolute
boor we have just met, "Pleasure to meet you." We have many social lies that
aid and abet getting along with people with whom we don't have a strong
enough connection to tell them difficult truths. Sometimes we are less than
forthright because it is none of our business..though there are things that I
think are our business (abuse, neglect, etc.) Sometimes we even lie to
ourselves.
However, I believe that with children we must think and talk in terms of
absolutes because that fits the stage of moral development that children are
in. It is impossible to appeal to anyone successfully at a higher level of
moral reasoning that they have attained. Our moral judgement develops with
age and experience, just as our physical and intellectual development
matures. A two year-old is unlikely to understand conservation of mass and
will
think that water poured from a short, wide glass into a tall, narrow glass is
magically growing. TRY IT with toddlers...they will think you are a magician,
but even though they don't know the term conservation of mass, am 8 year old
will think you are silly.
It works the same way with children and moral judgement. You must demand
moral behavior based on the stage of moral development where the child
is--not where you are or where you wish the child to be. However, you can
help the child develop by explaining the reasoning behind the absolutes you
enforce. Stealing is wrong because it hurts other people, how would you feel,
etc. etc. and working to develop empathy -- necessary for a child to move
from the
first two stages into the thrid and fourth stages. Lawrence Kohlberg
developed a theory of moral development several years ago that is so sensible
it must have made people wonder why they didn't think of it earlier.
Forgive me for repeating something many of you may already know.
According to Kohlberg's theory, there are six stages of moral development:
Punishment and Obedience
The initial stage of moral development is based on punishment and obedience.
An action is good or bad depending on its consequence. Bad things result in
punishment.
Self-gratification
As children develop, chldren become more hedonistic. What is good is what
brings good consequences and reward. They become more pragmatic.
Approval of others
In the third stage, an understanding of others perceptions and values will
help define what is good and bad. Things are good because people that matter
to the person also think it is good.
Law and order In the fourth stage, society begins to play a role in moral
decision-making. What is good is determined by what is good for an orderly
society.
Social contract This is different from the first because the orderly
functioning of society is less important than what is good for society. The
social contract is the amorphous mutual contract we silently accept and
follow to live work and share the world together in mutual respect and peace.
Universal Ethical Principles This is the highest stage of moral development,
when a person is determines what is right or wrong based on self-determined
moral judgements, not influenced by society, but by personal morality.
Parents usually intuitively appeal to the appropriate level of reasoning,
knowing that anything else wouldn't work anyway. So I agree and disagree
with John, it is necesary to teach moral absolutes to children, because they
are not capable of self-directed ethical judgement or of comprehending the
social contract we silently and covertly make with each other to share our
world in as much peace as we can while we use punishment and reward to
attempt
to control the behavior of others whose moral development was stunted.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Re: My March Books
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 12:54 AM EST
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040305545701.AAA24029@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara, don't you love Laurie Colwin? I consider her one of my best
friends. I adore "Home Cooking" and "More Home Cooking". Never spend any
quality time in the kitchen that I don't think of her. I adored all of her
novels and cried when she died. "A Big Storm Knocked It Over" was her last,
sadly.
Cissie, wearing a birthday crown all week
Subject: March books
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 12:55 AM EST
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998040305553101.AAA24093@ladder01.news.aol.com>
After having read such a wonderful group of books in February, March was
definitely disappointing. I hate reading books that are just so-so as there
are so many really great ones waiting for me. This month was not memorable
for great reading.
Kaye Gibbons : A Virtuous Woman C+ (Previously reviewed in Fav. Fic.)
Terry Kay: To Dance with the White Dog B- (" " " " )
Louis De Bernieres: The Troublesome Offspring of Cardinal Guzman D (He should
have stopped after Don Emmanuel's Nether Parts, the first of the trilogy.)
Harriet Doerr: Tiger in the Grass C+ (Short stories, memoirs, some material
that was probably left over from her 2 novels which I loved)
Cynthia Shearer: Wonder Book of the Air D (see review in Favorite Fiction)
Anne River Siddons: Up Island B- (A good old-fashioned novel. Not great but
entertaining. Not deep or thought-provoking but fun)
Currently reading :
Chitra Divakaruni: Arranged Marriage Short stories about the arranged
marriages of young Indian women. Divakaruni wrote Mistress of Spices as well.
Picked up at the library today:
Michael Dorris: Cloud Chamber
Listening to:
Nicholas Evans: The Notebook (A perfect audio for the car. Gentle romance.)
Arturo Perez Riverte-The Flander's Panel
What I wish I could read soon:
A post from Sandquist saying he feels better, or at least his email from
Prague with hope for better days ahead.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 01:00 AM EST
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040306012701.BAA24922@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Do you tell when undercharged? That one has always been so easy. Yes, yes,
yes, particularly if the children were around. How else are they to learn?
Cissie, wearing a birthday crown all week
Subject: What I Read in March
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 01:18 AM EST
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998040306185700.BAA29720@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I've been busy this week and haven't come here much (will catch up on the
week-end). But I do want to post my books read this month (BTW I have changed
my rating system to be like the schoold grades--I like that. Thanks to those
who use this system. Hope you don't mind my copy-catting):
For Us, the Living by Myrlie Evers B+ This is written by the wife of Medgar
Evers who was a NAACP leader in Jackson MS in the 50s and 60s. This was a
hard story to read as I saw the view of life for a black family in
Mississippi back when I was a white girl living in Jackson. Their
experiences and mine were very different. I read this one with a heavy
heart.
Crazy Ladies by Michael Lee West B+ After reading the Medgar Evers story I
needed something light. So I chose this book which had fascinating
characters--and they were all "characters". Each chapter is written in the
first person of one of the women in the story--Miss Gussy, the mother;
Queenie, her maid; Dorothy, older daughter of Miss Gussy; Clancy Jane,
younger daughter
of Miss Gussy; Violet, daughter of Clancy Jane; Bitsy, daughter of Dorothy.
The story begins in 1932 with Miss Gussy when Dorothy is a newborn and ends
with Queenie in 1972 after Miss Gussie's death. A wild and crazy tale about
"crazy ladies" from Tennessee.
One True Thing by Anna Quindlen A- After much hesitation, I finally read this
book and I am so glad I did!!! I cried a bit while reading this, but I
enjoyed the study of characters and relationships. I truly liked this book
and plan to read it again--but not in the too near future.
One Writer's Beginnings by Eudora Welty A- Oh how I savored this little
volume! Eudora Welty also lived in Jackson MS. Why am I reading books set
in Jackson--or the South lately? I will think on that one!
For Writers Only by Sophy Burnham B+ If you want to read about technique,
this is not the book for you. This book is about the experience of writers.
It is also filled with wonderful quotes by and for writers. I enjoyed this
one a lot. I especially enjoyed the quotes like this one: Not to have
audience is a kind of death. ~~Tillie Olsen
Hank & Chloe by Jo-Anne Mapson A- What a delightful story! Hank and Chloe
are one of the most unlikely couples you could ever imagine--yet they fit
together well. I also have my --autographed-- copy of Loving Chloe which I
plan to read in April.
The Secrets of Pistoulet by Jana Kolpen A- This is a sensual book. It is a
touchy-feely book. It is a delight to all the senses. The story is almost
secondary to the experience of this book. It is set in the countyside of
France and is full of special recipes and dreams and magic. I love it! In
April I plan to read Kolpen's other book: The Legend of The Villa della
Luna.
I read less books in March--I'm still working on The Wonder Book of the Air
which will be listed as an April book--but had more high-scoring books this
month. I read mostly books that led me to think and savor and digest as I
read them.
I picked up a book of short essays last week-end at the Book Exchange called
The Art of Living--put together by the editors of Reader's Digest. There is
one particular essay in the book I will share with you--this week-end because
it is in my car and it's late and I don't wanna go fetch it right now.
Anyway, it talks about the art of slow reading. It sure struck a cord with
me. More about this on Saturday.
Currently reading The Wonder Book of the Air by Cynthia Shearer
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: What I Read in March
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 03:55 AM EST
From: RKCK SYST
Message-id: <1998040308551601.DAA11996@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I had a pretty good month of reading; enjoyed everything to one degree or
another. Here's what I read, in the order I read them, with grades:
C.S. LEWIS: A BIOGRAPHY by A.N. Wilson -- C
MERIDIAN 144 by Meg Files -- C-
COME TO GRIEF by Dick Francis -- B
ALL OVER BUT THE SHOUTIN' by Rick Bragg -- A+
NOBODY NOWHERE by Donna Williams -- B
THE POWER OF ONE by Bryce Courtenay -- A+
MISTS OF AVALON by Marion Zimmer Bradley -- A
TO DANCE WITH THE WHITE DOG by Terry Kay -- A
SALVATION ON SAND MOUNTAIN by Dennis Covington -- B
SMOKE by John Ed Bradley -- A
BOY,GIRL, BOY, GORL by David Michaelis -- C
Carolyn K.
"Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of
it." P.J. O'Rourke
Subject: oops!
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 03:56 AM EST
From: RKCK SYST
Message-id: <1998040308563001.DAA09436@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Make that Boy, Girl, Boy, Girl :-) !
Carolyn K.
"Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of
it." P.J. O'Rourke
Subject: Dash, P.I.
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 09:14 AM EST
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040314141700.JAA01386@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Just got this book from The Mystery Guild and am enjoying it. It is actually
two mysteries by Carol Lea Benjamin, This Dog For Hire and The Dog Who Knew
Too Much, which feature P. I. Rachel Benjamin and her partner, a well-trained
Pit Bull named Dashiell, after Dashiell Hammett. Unlike the Cat Who series,
all of which I have read, there is nothing "cutesy" about Dash and his
mistress. Just well written, enjoyable mysteries. Nothing GREAT, but
very enjoyable.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 09:36 AM EST
From: BRULE31415
Message-id: <1998040314360601.JAA03860@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Was at Target today buying my daughter some black wind shorts for a
tryout. Picked up two different styles one at $7.99 and one at $9.99. when
clerk rang up charged me 7.99 for both. I did point this out to her. I must
admit would probably not notice if undercharged a dime but the $5 I'n mention
Becky in Texas
Subject: March books
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 10:40 AM EST
From: EACurran
Message-id: <1998040315403600.KAA08665@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I, too, enjoy reading everyone's monthly book lists. So, here's mine for
March:
THE BROKEN CORD, Michael Dorris - B-, the story of the authors oldest
adopted son, including a description of the emerging awareness personally and
nationally of fetal alcohol syndrome. Previously this year I had read Cloud
Chamber (in January), A+ - hope you enjoy it as much as I did, Jan/VoxMom!)
and A Yellow Raft in Blue Water (in Feb) C+, and I was interested in finding
out more about this author.
MONTANA 1984 - A, a bleak inside view of a family's demolition from within,
very crisply written by the adult son as he looks back on his 12th summer
SHOELESS JOE - A, long unread due to fear of the reading taking away from
Field of Dreams. I didn't need to hesitate -- this is also beautifully
written
THE WONDER BOOK OF THE AIR - B, would have graded higher had I not had to
work so hard to follow the first half of the book, notes from other
BookNookers helped a lot, but I should have been able to get it more easily
on my own! More comments to follow in the Book Readers folder above.
Erika, currently reading Alias Grace, and it looks like it's going to be an
A!
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 10:45 AM EST
From: Jibs Kid
Message-id: <1998040315455700.KAA11985@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Asked if anyone has read Rose's Garden--a non-BNer wanted to know if this is
a thumbs up or a thumbs down--anyone out there read this book???
Another question--the musical Rent--heard all the hype went it first came
out--we have a chance to see it--will need to do some major schedule shifting
to be able to go--my question
is it worth it---any feedback would be appreciated.
thanks SV
currently reading Object Lessons--
Subject: Simmer down, Roe!
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 11:05 AM EST
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040316053501.LAA11720@ladder01.news.aol.com>
ROE--No,No, No--<G> No offense at all! I just enjoyed your post with its
reference to roadmaps, etc. I've been so busy lately trying to get this book
finished before I go to NY I haven't posted more then little (for me!)
snippets here and there. I barely get through the posts. I loved your whole
post. It was so full of good humor and fun.
Actually, my hanches are about the best part of me! They still work, but
barely. (No) pun intended!
And I have always loved Langston Hughes. Such beautiful imagery spoken so
softly!
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: March bks
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 11:10 AM EST
From: CKoucky
Message-id: <1998040316101400.LAA12293@ladder01.news.aol.com>
As expected the cat-scan showed nothing--so much for nerves and imagination.
Only 4 books:
On Looking into The Abyss--Gertrude Himmelfarb--essays--difficult reading for
me
The Paper Boy--Pete Dexter--on tape--7
Unredeemed Captive--John Demos--NF also--7
Patron Saint of Liars--Anne Patchett--9
Tuesdays with Morrie--Mitch Albom--6--mixed feelings about this one.
I see that Patron Saint is going to be on TV--can't imagine that they will do
it justice.
NRK--hope all went well with you yesterday.
Pat
reading Cold Mountain
Subject: Re: Langston Hughes
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 11:28 AM EST
From: JTCURRAN2
Message-id: <1998040316285701.LAA17251@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I love this place. What other medium could lead me, between yet another loan
of laundry and a snarky business problem to solve on a gray Friday morning,
to the Norton Anthology and Langston Hughes. Thank you all. You make my life
so much richer.
Rosemary
Subject: Thank You Friends
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 11:49 AM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040316490501.LAA16979@ladder01.news.aol.com>
We just returned from our appointment and we are FINE. Hooray!!!
It is almost impossible for me to explain how much your good wishes and
prayers helped me through my anxiety. Unfortunately for both Bruce and
myself this is a double whammy since Mich is also involved.
I do believe that all of our positive prayers and good wishes help each of us
as we face some difficult times. As the song goes, "In good times and bad
times, that's what friends are for." Hoping that we always will be here or
there for each other.
This really did belong in the prayer folderso I really thank you for allowing
me to vent here. And now I can't wait to party hearty at our book nook
reunion later this month. Can't wait!!!!and not in the prayer fol
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Goosebumps
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 11:58 AM EST
From: Jibs Kid
Message-id: <1998040316581500.LAA20701@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy---SO glad to hear your good news!!!
SV
Subject: Heart of Darkness
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 12:34 PM EST
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040317342401.MAA25109@ladder03.news.aol.com>
For Chris who asked about Conrad's Heart of Darkness, go to this search
engine, which I have found to be the best one for finding info re literature
and authors.Inference Find! -- Server 40
Type in Joseph Conrad Heart of Darkness, and you'll find all sorts of
articles about the author and the work. Take your pick.
Keep this search engine link in your favorite places by dragging the little
red heart to them.
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 12:46 PM EST
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040317460100.MAA26514@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Yes, I always tell when undercharged. I know I'd squawk if I were
undercharged, and I don't have a double standard. Yesterday I thought Iwas
undercharged 20 cents on an item and pointed it out to the checker. It turns
out I wasn't, but I did tell her. However, and this is not to sound holier
than anyone, I think (I have no proof but I think it's human nature) that
most people would figure, "Oh, it's a big store. They can afford to lose the
20 cents--or $5 or whatever it is."
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Thank You Friends
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 12:48 PM EST
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040317493801.MAA24324@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy and Michelle--Can you hear the booming "YIPEE!" from the West Coast?
What a relief! Go buy a book. Oh, g'head, g'head, buy two--or two hundred!
Much love from
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Thank You Friends
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 12:59 PM EST
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040317592301.MAA25460@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<We just returned from our appointment and we are FINE. Hooray!!!>>
Yipppeee!!!
I'm so glad to hear it Nancy!
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Letters from Jerusalem 1947-1948
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 01:03 PM EST
From: MICHLOBXXX
Message-id: <1998040318035100.NAA28762@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Letters from Jerusalem 1947-1948 by Zipporah Porath, is a blow by blow
account of Israel's War of Independence as seen through the eyes of an
American Jewish Woman. First she was a student at the Hebrew University, then
a member of the Haganah, then a nurse with Hadassah.
In the letters she wrote home to her family, Zipporah describes the momentous
events as they unfolded, with a freshness and immediacy that brings them
alive.
These letters offer, for all those who missed it, a chance to be in Jerusalem
of 1947-1948. What a wonderful way to celebrate Yom Ha'atzmaut, Israel's 50th
Anniversary of Independence!
Visit our website at http://www.ncx.com/wwi/LettersfromJerusalem
Subject: Re: March bks
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 03:14 PM EST
From: Ratacheck
Message-id: <1998040320144401.PAA15191@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I'm glad that things are looking up for you, Pat and Nancy. I haven't read
"all" the posts yet -- so know that good wishes go your way as I read through
the notes.
This AM, I received this hyperlink and wanted to share it with you. It was
cute ..... but, once is sufficient for me, IMO... Happy Easter
The book list for March follows ... (in order read) (1-10, with 10 being
high)
Devices and Desires - P.D. James (7)
84, Charing Cross Road - Helene Hanff (9)
Home Cooking - Laurie Colwin (8)
Free Fall - Robert Crais (8)
Here on Earth - Alice Hoffman (8+)
Sunset Express - Robert Crais (7)
The Invisible Circus - Jennifer Egan (5)
Total Control - David Baldacci (7)
Cissie, many happy wishes to you. Today is the real day, but I'm so pleased
to see an elongated celebration.
I'm about to read my very first Dick Rice book. A friend thinks I'm
completely missing out on "life" by not ever have read "any" of these books.
She brought it over the same day to rectify this abomination! I love it when
people feel so passionate about particular books. But let's face it --- it
really all goes together in the format of "book sickness" that most of us
have.... :) :)
Have a nice weekend.
Happy Reading,
Rita
Subject: Re: Thank You Friends
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 03:19 PM EST
From: Ratacheck
Message-id: <1998040320193801.PAA15882@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Good News, Gina!! Yay.
Rita
Subject: Book Talk
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 03:39 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040320390401.PAA18717@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu- after weeks of haunting the library for Cauacasia, I found it today.
Will let you know what I think.
Also picked up Whistle by Janice Daugherty and The Men of Brewster Place by
Gloria Naylor - I so enjoyed the Women of Brewster but am wondering if I can
remember all of the details without rereading it.
As an after doctors appointment treat today I bought myself two albums- Pete
Seeger's double CD of memorable songs and a Mandy Patankin CD of Yiddush
songs called Mamloshen. I also spent time at our library sale buying, what
else??? a real assortment of books. I found Cloud Mountain by Aimee Liu as
well as many many other paperback titles I just had to have. Not bad 25
books for $16. Now, I'm wondering if any of you also must buy books again
that you've either read from the library or previously sold?
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Bread Givers
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 03:42 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040320424300.PAA16595@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Speaking of Call it Sleep by Henry Roth, I did pick up Bread Givers by Anzia
Yezierska who was a Russian immigrant who also wrote both in this novel and
five others about the immigrant experience as well as life on the lower east
side. It seems as though our discussions are always so timely because when I
began to read the forward, there was a refernece to Roth's book also. Bread
Givers which today is considered a very fine portrait of life back
then, this book was long out of print and was only brought back due to the
efforts of several women who felt this book should remain on library shelves
etc. for future generations to read. I know that in our school district this
book is read every year by the senior class.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Gazebo's list
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 03:50 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040320503900.PAA17819@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sue - I did laugh when I read over your list and the numbers you gave to
each of the books. For instance, take the title At Weddings and Wakes, I
just bought this today to rerad. I do remember really enjoying this one so
much but then again I enjoy all of McDermott's other books as well. As for
the Roberts title you read, you picked the one book that I didn't much care
for either. You might want to try the next two titles in that series or try
Born In Fire for a good Nora read. She may grow on you.
As for the rest of the list did you have a bad month?
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: The Horse Whisperer
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 03:53 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040320533500.PAA20838@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cissie - the birthday queen with her crown- I noticed that you read The Horse
Whisperer this past month. Its funny cause I'm just beginning this book
after reading These Is My Words by Nancy Turner. So, why am I reading this
now (I only own it for three years)? The movie is opening in May and before
I see what they did to it, I must read the book. Unfortunately, I read the
ending awhile ago and I haven't been able to forget it sooo....
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Our Mom
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 03:57 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040320574501.PAA21531@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Lita - I saw this message before today but didn't respond. Now I will. I
tried really hard not to say "what if" regarding our doctors visit and adopt
your new attitude. I think it worked a little and I'll try to always
remember Roe and your words in the future. I do agree with everything that
both Roe and you said but its so hard to do this when you're in the midst of
worrying which just happens to be my middle name.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Picking scabs
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 03:59 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040320593900.PAA19115@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Lita - just saw what you wrote to Sue and now I'm wondering too ig her
highest rating was a 5. Maybe we should all get together and decide on the
highest and lowest rankings for our top choices of the month.
BTW- speaking of top choices, has anyone heard from Warren?
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Rating
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 04:03 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040321034101.QAA19700@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sue---ohhh - see why its not good to write before one reads. Here I thought
you didn't like anything at all for March. Something like PMS of Books.
NowI'll go back and look at your list again to see what you do recommend.
Agree with your analogy- I opften rate a Nora Roberts book with a 10 but
thats for the romance genre and it certainly isn't the same 10 I gave to
Quindlen for Black and Blue or Kaye Gibbons for Ellen Foster.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Birthday Girl
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 04:15 PM EST
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998040321150300.QAA24152@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday to Cissie/LizTom, the Birthday Queen of Smithfield.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
YOU are 50
I'm younger than you!
Love,
Leslie (3 months to go)
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 04:17 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040321182301.QAA24663@ladder03.news.aol.com>
SV- because I grew up in the area which inspired Rent and remember the
squatters in the buildings around Tompkins Square Park, I couldn't wait to
see this show. My very honest opinion is save your money. The performers,
at least when I saw it, screamed over the music and unless you're very
familiar with the songs - the whole show is sung like Les Mis, it makes
little snese and at best its hard to hear the words. I think you'd be better
off buying
the album, if you're that interested. Finally, I think alot of the hype came
from the fact that Jonathan Larson died only a few days before its opening.
This was really a tragedy since he was young and probably had a wonderful
future ahead of him even if Rent wasn't to my liking.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: March bks
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 04:18 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040321183400.QAA24683@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Just read this -hooray!!!
<<As expected the cat-scan showed nothing--so much for nerves and
imagination.>>
Way to go Pat!
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Rent
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 04:54 PM EST
From: LPennin104
Message-id: <1998040321543700.QAA00435@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I saw Rent, too. I love plays, especially musicals. I liked this play, but
it was very loud with rock music and young people. The audience was full of
young people who all knew the words by heart. Two of the songs from Rent
became hits on the radio. It had lots of sex. I am old fashioned and am
bothered by two men kissing, passionately, so if this bothers you I would
skip it. It's a modern version of an opera, La Boheim (sp), with rock music.
I just finished A Chance to See Egypt and loved it. It was so well written
and I came to love all of the characters. Thanks to whoever recommended
it-the Maniac I think. I'm starting Evening Class next.
Linda from Austin, still looking for a tag line.
Subject: Re: Rent
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 04:56 PM EST
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998040321563501.QAA00755@ladder03.news.aol.com>
SV...well, I have to say I loved RENT. After seein it, I bought the CD & then
saw it again a couple of months later. My kids loved it, as did my VERY
conservative DH. But then again, we don't get to NY too much, so usually
anything we see is great. The kids didn't like Miss Saigon, which I thought
they'd love. Go figure.
Nancy, Pat, Gina, glad all is well.
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 05:24 PM EST
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998040322243101.RAA02525@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I haven't seen Rent butfriends who have were not impressed. Maybe it's an age
thing. We are older and I don't think the music, etc. fit our style. It's
not something that everyone is running to see, no matter the age. Perhaps
someone else could add to my comments.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Good Nooze! YES!
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 05:42 PM EST
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998040322423101.RAA07957@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Pat-
Wonderful, wonderful news. May all your checkups be as good. My husbands
eternal joke (yawn) is that he had his head examined and the doctor found
nothing. Now you can join the jokester parade.
Whoo-ee! Is my face red! Yesterday I posted that I was listening to The
NOtebook in the car and thought it was a sweet love story. Well, today, I
almost drove the car up a tree because that sweet tape included a v-e-r-y
steamy love scene. Hmm. I must be careful what I listen to when in behind
the wheel.
Nancy-Great doctor's news. Your anxiety level must have dropped considerably
since you got the all-clear!. Tell Michelle that she should keep up the
good work and paste a gold star on her forehead for me.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 06:19 PM EST
From: Aqua Girlx
Message-id: <1998040323193501.SAA13816@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mrs Wiles,
About the key incident. I think that "Jamal" will be punished. His
conscious will punish him enough. The fact that he accepted the money in the
first place told you that he was just interested in the money. It is like he
is being rewarded for stealing your keys (if he stole them). If you hadn't
have offered the $5.00 reward you prbably would have never gotten your keys
back. He has to got hrough the rest of his life with the fact that he
stole someone's property and then made them pay for it. I think that was a
good way to deal with the problem. But hey there wasn't any other way to
deal with the problem. At Neal if you drop a dollar more than likely you can
kiss that dollar goodbye. But that's Middle School for ya.
Ashley
Aqua
Subject: Re: Rent
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 06:41 PM EST
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998040323414300.SAA17305@ladder03.news.aol.com>
My DH and I really enjoyed it when we saw it a few months ago. It's not for
everyone, as you can tell from the other comments, but it did win the Tony
award and a lot of people liked it. I don't think it's an age thing, but it
does contain material that's offensive to some. I enjoyed "Hair" when I saw
it many years ago too, and it had about the same shock value that "Rent" does
now. It's a contemporary rock-opera
inspired by Puccini's "Boheme," but zapping Puccini's characters from Paris
in the 1830's to the East Village in the 1990's. Not very memorable songs
though; I didn't buy the CD. We had to buy our tickets months in advance, or
I probably wouldn't have seen it either. I remember feeling very
apprehensive when someone told me her friends hated it, but I'm glad we went
as we definitely enjoyed it. The middle-aged woman sitting on my right was
seeing
it for the second time--she loved it. Unless you think you'd be offended by
the subject matter, I'd say grab the tickets and enjoy yourself! So you'll
have a good idea of what to expect, I've copied and pasted a review from the
NY Times below:
February 14, 1996
Rent
By BEN BRANTLEY
The subject of the work is death at an early age. And in one of the dark
dramatic coincidences theater occasionally springs on us, its
35-year-old author died only weeks before its opening. Yet no one who
attends Jonathan Larson's "Rent," the exhilarating, landmark rock opera
at the New York Theater Workshop, is likely to mistake it for a wake.
Indeed, this vigorous tale of a marginal band of artists in Manhattan's
East Village, a contemporary answer to "La Boheme," rushes forward on an
electric current of emotion that is anything but morbid. Sparked by a
young, intensely vibrant cast directed by Michael Greif and sustained by
a glittering, inventive score, the work finds a transfixing brightness
in characters living in the shadow of AIDS. Puccini's ravishingly
melancholy work seemed, like many operas of its time, to romance death;
Mr. Larson's spirited score and lyrics defy it.
"Rent" inevitably invites reflections on the incalculable loss of its
composer, who died of an aortic aneurysm on Jan. 25, but it also
shimmers with hope for the future of the American musical. Though this
production still has its bumps, most visibly in its second act, Mr.
Larson has proved that rock-era song styles can be integrated into a
character-driven story for the stage with wildly affecting success.
(Only the Broadway version of the Who's "Tommy" has supported that
premise in recent years, and its characters were more icons than real
people.)
Actually, while Mr. Larson plays wittily with references to Puccini's
masterpiece, the excitement around "Rent" more directly recalls the
impact made by a dark-horse musical Off Broadway in 1967: "Hair." Like
that meandering, genial portrait of draft-dodging hippies, this
production gives a pulsing, unexpectedly catchy voice to one
generation's confusion, angep and anarchic, pleasure-seeking vitality.
The setting has shifted east, from Washington Square to St. Mark's
Place; the drug of choice is now heroin, not LSD; and the specter that
gives its characters' lives a feverish, mordant edge isn't the Vietnam
War but H.I.V.
And Mr. Larson has provided a story line and ambitious breadth of
technique miles away from "Hair," with its funky, loosely plotted
patchwork of countercultural ditties and ballads. But both works, in a
way, are generational anthems, not so much of protest, finally, but of
youthful exuberance, even (or especially) when the youth in question is
imperiled.
The denizens of Mr. Larson's bohemian landscape are directly descended
from their Puccini prototypes but given a hip, topical spin. The poet
Rodolfo becomes Roger (Adam Pascal), a songwriter who has shut down
emotionally after the suicide of his girlfriend. The painter Marcello is
now Mark (Anthony Rapp), a video artist who shares an abandoned
industrial loft with Roger on Avenue B.
Mark has recently been thrown over by his lover, Maureen (Idina Menzel),
th' show's answer to Musetta and a performance artist who has left him
for another woman, the lawyer Joanne (Fredi Walker). And Puccini's
frail, tubercular Mimi sheds her passivity to be reincarnated as Mimi
Marquez (Daphne Rubin-Vega), a tough stray kitten of a woman who dances
in an S-and-M club.
The plot is a peppery hash of lover's quarrels and reconciliations, with
a slightly labored subplot in which the men's landlord, Benjamin (Taye
Diggs), a former confrere gone Yuppie, padlocks their building while
trying to evict a colony of homeless people next door.
Obviously, poverty is less picturesque in Mr. Larson's world than in
Puccini's. (The moon, in the most inspired touch in Paul Clay's gritty
set, is only an oversize Japanese lantern.) This show's equivalent of
the Latin Quarter cafe scene, with its jolly parade of children and
vendors, is an angry Christmas Eve vignette set among bag people on St.
Mark's Place. And this Mimi has cold hands because she needs a fix.
Moreover, Mimi, who is H.I.V.-positive, isn't the only candidate for an
early death. Roger and his friends, Tom Collins (Jesse L. Martin), a
self-styled computer age philosopher, and Angel (Wilson Jermaine
Heredia), a transvestite sculptor, also carry the virus. Accordingly,
the leitmotif of the show is the image of time evaporating; its credo,
quite unabashedly, "Seize the day."
Mr. Larson gives refreshingly melodic life to these sentiments with a
score of breathta'ing eclecticism, lovingly and precisely interpreted by
the production's excellent five-member band, led by Tim Weil.
The styles include not only electric rock but salsa, Motown, be-bop and
reggae, with a firm nod to Stephen Sondheim and even a passing one to
Burt Bacharach. There is also a disarmingly dexterous use of operatic,
multi-voiced counterpoint and of duets that range from the exquisite
(the candle-lit meeting of Roger and Mimi) to the two-fistedly comic
(Musetta's waltz becomes "Tango: Maureen").
An alternately agile and baldly declarative lyricist with a tireless
knack for all manner of rhymes, Mr. Larson, like his characters, is
clearly a child of postmodernism. (This, after all, is a show that
rhymes "curry vindaloo" with "Maya Angelou.") But he ultimately avoids
the style of brittle, defensive irony, with everything framed in
quotation marks, that has become the hallmark of downtown theater in
recent years.
In fact, on one level, "Rent" is about breaking through the
self-protective detachment, here embodied by both Roger and Mark, of a
generation weaned on the archness of David Letterman and the blankness
of Andy War'ol. Like such other recent works as Mr. Sondheim's "Passion"
and Nicky Silver's "Raised in Captivity," this show directly addresses
the idea of being cut off from feelings by fear.
This is definitely not a problem for Mr. Larson. Indeed, one forgives
the show's intermittent lapses into awkwardness or cliche because of its
overwhelming emotional sincerity. And when the whole ensemble stands at
the edge of the stage, singing fervently about the ways of measuring
borrowed time, the heart both breaks and soars.
It should also be pointed out that Mr. Greif lets his cast come to the
edge of the stage to serenade the audience entirely too often. He is
also guilty of staging that obscures crucial plot elements. And he and
his choreographer, Marlies Yearby, don't make the most of the varied
possibilities of the score. Only the heady, intricately rhymed "Vie
Boheme" banquet number, which concludes the first act, and the
erotically staged death of Angel really match the inventive sweep of the
music.
The cast, however, is terrific, right down to the last ensemble member,
and blessed with voices of remarkable flexibility and strength. The
unflaggingly focused Mr. Rapp gives the show its energetic motor; the
golden-voiced Mr. Pascal its meditative soul and Ms. Rubin-Vega its
affirmative sensuality. Mr. Martin, Ms. Walker, Mr. Heredia and Ms.
Menzel are all performers of both wit and emotional conviction.
It is the latter trait that lifts "Rent" well above the synthetic,
cleverly packaged herd of Broadway musical revivals and revues. Along
with George C. Wolfe and Savion Glover's "Bring in da Noise, Bring in da
Funk," this show restores spontaneity and depth of feeling to a
discipline that sorely needs them. People who complain about the demise
of the American musical have simply been looking in the wrong places.
Well done, Mr. Larson.
Barbara (reading A Big Storm Knocked it Over--Laurie Colwin)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Book Talk
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 06:42 PM EST
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040323420000.SAA14759@ladder01.news.aol.com>
*****Nancy in NJ*****CONGRATULATIONS! I'm so happy for you! And enjoy Cloud
Mountain! I loved it.
GINA--CONGRATULATIONS to you, too! ***********
PAT--CONGRATULATIONS to you, too! ***********
* * * * * * *
* * * * * *
WONDERFUL NEWS FOR ALL OF YOU! WAY TO GO!
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: What I Read in March
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 06:55 PM EST
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040323552100.SAA16920@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I neglected to give my ratings, such as they are, for the books I read in
March, so here they be.
March, 1998
Caucasia by Danzy Senna B+
The Fortune Catcher by Susanne Pari A-
Obsession by John Douglas B
Enduring Love, by Ian McEwan B-
After Eli by Terry Kay A-
The Wonder Book of the Air by Cynthia Shearer B
I'm reading Jane Hamilton's latest, THE SHORT HISTORY OF A PRINCE and having
a hard time getting into it. It starts out slowly.
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Many Thanks
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 07:07 PM EST
From: Andie1040
Message-id: <1998040400075800.TAA21588@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jackie, you are a remarkable woman. thank you for reaching out to us. I
come out of lurkdom to give you a {HUG}
love, Andie
~Andrea in Illinois ....currently reading Cause of Death by Patricia Cornwell
"In the end, everything is a gag" - Charlie Chaplin
Subject: Pat, Gina, & Nancy
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 07:17 PM EST
From: JaneE2059
Message-id: <1998040400170400.TAA23048@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Congratulations on the results of your respective tests! Best wishes to all
of you. :-)
JaneE2059
Proud Member of Clan Outlandish
"Texas '98 or Bust!"
Subject: Re: Jonesboro, and all the other boroughs
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 07:38 PM EST
From: Andie1040
Message-id: <1998040400381100.TAA26533@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thank you for saying so. Parenting is a lifelong commitment.. not a "hobby,"
and young human beings do not learn "humanity" from a pill, a tv tube or even
a book. They learn by watching and imitating the human around them from day
one. We are ALL responsible.
~Andrea in Illinois ....currently reading Cause of Death by Patricia Cornwell
"In the end, everything is a gag" - Charlie Chaplin
Subject: Re: March books
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 08:57 PM EST
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998040401570700.UAA02730@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jan -- I don't know if you want to be driving when you get to the end of The
Notebook......
Subject: All Screwed Up
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 09:11 PM EST
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040402111401.VAA00764@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I am getting very weird AOL messages tonight - have the aliens landed -
again? Such as "You are no longer connected to news groups". I now find
they are niot marking messages as read - & all post appeared in backwards
order. OK - I am here & will make the best of it - maybe.
LINDA: I am so glad you liked A CHANCE TO SEE EGYPT - yes, it is a Maniac
Referral
NANCY: WHEN I saw 10 posts from you today, I knew - ZOWEE
TO YOU & MICHELLE.
GINA: HURRAY!!!!!
PAT: YES!!!!
WONDERING IF THIS WILL POST
THE MARCO MANIAC, IN LEFTOVER HEAVEN
Subject: Re: All Screwed Up
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 10:02 PM EST
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998040403030001.WAA06890@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<"You are no longer connected to news groups". >>
I got this message tonight, too. What next?
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Re: All Screwed Up
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 10:09 PM EST
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998040403091800.WAA07971@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I got that too.........but now I'm here..........God Bless
AOL.............ya, right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Re: My March Books
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 10:23 PM EST
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998040403240901.WAA08042@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks RuthAlice. You have validated my choice!
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Re: Rent
Date: Fri, 03 April 1998 10:40 PM EST
From: VKRN
Message-id: <1998040403404200.WAA10986@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I must add my $.02 about Rent. I just saw it recently in St. Louis after
wanting to see it since it first came to Broadway. I really liked it and,
yes, it is not for everyone. I went with a group and some loved it, some
didn't, and some were lukewarm. One of the youngest of our group (male,35)
didn't like it at all. He called it "Friends" on crack!! One of the oldest
(62) absolutely loved it! Loved the Tango Maureen and the Cow
song was hysterical! The death scene was quite awesome, too. Anyone with an
open mind should see it. If you are squemish about the subject matter,
however, you should skip it as you will be offended from the beginning.
Venda in Illinois
Carpe Diem
Subject: Re: Pat, Gina, & Nancy
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 12:50 AM EST
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040405502601.AAA04853@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hi everyone... I hate to say this but I was responding to Nancy's good news
in my YIPPEE post. While I certainly don't have any bad news right now.. I
still don't have good news. I see the doctor on tuesday and possibly then I
will have something to say. I'm sorry that my post was misleading.
Nancy, I am so happy that you and Michelle got good news!
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Cissie, Right & Wrong
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 01:01 AM EST
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040406010401.BAA03804@ladder01.news.aol.com>
EOR/Roe & Judi...As always, your words were very wise, understanding,
educational. My oldest DD just entering adolesence and am scared! One of
the lessons that has seemed important to me is to teach our children to think
independently and act on what they know is right, rather than giving in to
the group. That is what frightens me....peer pressure. We talk alot about
getting into a car with a drunk driver, going to a party they
know isn't a place for them....and being grown up enough to say they cannot.
I think it is incredibly important to teach children the difference between
right and wrong. But also to teach them that there are grey areas and those
are potentially the more difficult choices.
CISSIE - HAPPY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still catching up and reading "Bruised Fruit" by Amy Ephron.
Lita
Subject: Re: Right and Wrong
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 01:03 AM EST
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040406034600.BAA04143@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Great post, Ruth Alice.....I just read it and appreciate your insights...as
always!
Lita
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading The Bone Collector by Jeffrey Deaver and listening to Indigo Slam by
Robert Crais.
GO BRUINS!!!!!!!
Subject: Re: Moving Sign
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 07:55 AM EST
From: Andie1040
Message-id: <1998040412554301.HAA29961@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks Gina! Finding you as our friend was the best part of moving...
~Andrea in Illinois ....currently reading
One for the Money by Janet Evanovich
"Make your work play and your play work" - Phil Jackson
Subject: Re: More about ... hunting
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 08:12 AM EST
From: Andie1040
Message-id: <1998040413125501.IAA04221@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice: You are eloquent as always. Did you see the movie Powder, where a
deer was shot and Powder had the hunter touch the deer, and through him,
experienced the animal's death as if it was himself? The man was forever
changed. If only we could all be so profundly related to life that causing
harm would be literally unthinkable!
~Andrea in Illinois ....currently reading
One for the Money by Janet Evanovich
"Make your work play and your play work" - Phil Jackson
Subject: Re: Cissie, Right & Wrong
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 08:35 AM EST
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040413351900.IAA06406@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Lita,
You just wrote down two of the keys for raising good people. My sons are 29
and 24, so I have weathered the child rearing days. My mother used to say,
"You raise your children to be independent and then hate it when they are."
But if they are raised to be independent and learn to make choices and
decisions, then peer pressure is not the horror it is when you have directed
your child's every choice and decision. When Simon was in Jr. High, he had a
pink Izod shirt. The first day he wore it to school, he came home and said,
"Chris and Kyle, (8th grade boys) called me a faggot because I wore a pink
shirt." When I asked if that bothered him, he answered, "No, I don't care
what those idiots say." He wore the shirt until it wore out. I guess my point
is that we raised two young men who have good lives, were never in trouble
with the law (though they had their moments with mom and dad) and now have
good lives. I'm not sure what the secret is, but consistency and mutual
respect have a lot to do with it. And raising them to be independent, so that
they can when the time comes.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Violent children
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 09:02 AM EST
From: Andie1040
Message-id: <1998040414023100.JAA09519@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thank you Marilu, I have saved your entire post and plan to read this book!
I ALWAYS learn something from you!
~Andrea in Illinois ....currently reading
One for the Money by Janet Evanovich
"Make your work play and your play work" - Phil Jackson
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 09:02 AM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040414024501.JAA09557@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jan and others on the subject of Rent- I'm not sure if its an age thing with
liking or disliking Rent although thats a possibility. I was raised on
Rodgers and Hammerstein, Lerner and Loew and lots of folk music. I rarely
listened to rock and roll until the Beatles burst onto the music scene. I
was never an Elvis fan although now I have a greater appreeciation for him
and others from his era like Little Richard. But I also remember that in
later
years while my mom enjoyed some of the new music and groups, she would often
complain she couldn't remember the melody or words. Perhaps thats the way I
feel now - I can always hum All that Jazz from Chicago and conjure up those
wonderful dancing bodies but the lyrics or melodies from Rent- only two
peopular songs and thats it. I also think I miss the chorus and plain old
fashioned dialogue. And its always amusing to me how the revival shows are
the ones that do so well today.
A question - I know that Ragtime is based on the EL Doctorow book but I was
wondering if this show was done on Boadway in the past. A friend asked me
this yesterday but I couldn't remember.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Good Nooze! YES!
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 09:07 AM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040414073900.JAA10114@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<Nancy-Great doctor's news. Your anxiety level must have dropped
considerably since you got the all-clear!. Tell Michelle that she should
keep up the good work and paste a gold star on her forehead for me.>>
Ohh - I tried to paste a star on Mich's forehead but in her inimitable style
Mich left for an evening in the city before I could catch her. She seems to
take these visits more in her stride than her parents do.
DH just left for the city - coming and goings a la the Katz house - for a
trade show and before he left he asked me what I would do today. I said that
today I could stare at the wall and be happy. But now that I think of it the
used bookstores are just calling to me.
May all our days be happy and carefree and if not, may we be able to roll
with the punches in this game they call life.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: The Notebook
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 09:11 AM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040414110700.JAA08011@ladder01.news.aol.com>
For those of you who enjoyed The Notebook by Nicholas Sparks, you can
download the first chapter of his new book, Message in a Bottle, from The
Book Report.
Jan - I agree with Nancy in PA - the end is....
Let us know what you think.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: All Screwed Up
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 09:12 AM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040414124400.JAA08230@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol - Yes your message did post. I think this is some aol screw up and has
nothing to do with us.
Thanks to you and all book nookers for your Zowees, Yipees, Hoorays and good
wishes.
I do believe they work.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Pat, Gina, & Nancy
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 09:14 AM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040414142300.JAA08425@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Gina- I am praying hard for you and hope that you get good news also.
Looking forward to that message so post quickly.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Gina news
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 10:26 AM EST
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998040415260400.KAA17974@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I agree with Nancy, Gina, we will all be waiting for your news of next week
and we are hoping and praying that it is nothing but good, good, good.
Carol
Subject: Anyone interested?
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 11:47 AM EST
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040416474300.LAA29665@ladder01.news.aol.com>
If anyone cares about how a poor little ole secretary could afford to keep up
a four-year suit against the Pres and and how she can afford her waterfront
condo in Long Beach and her Mercedes, you might check out a couple articles
in Salon.Veddy interesting!
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: This and That
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 12:34 PM EST
From: NVLehman
Message-id: <1998040417341901.MAA06811@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I've read so little this month, either I'm depressed or this is why I'm
feeling blue.
Nancy, I'm SO relieved to hear that the doctor gave you and Michelle good
reports.
My Passover menu:
Pickled Salmon
5 varieties of Haroset
Mesclun Salad
Vegetable Kugel
Sweet Potato Gratin
Moroccan Meatballs
Chicken with Olives, Onions and Raisins
Sponge Cake
Chocolate Torte
Berries
Lita, How are you doing are you making a seder again this year. This will be
the first year with my grandmother gone, Now my Bubbe (father's mom) will be
the only one of her generation and we have an addition, my nephew to the new
generation.
Take care all, Nina
Subject: Re: Gina news
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 12:50 PM EST
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040417501000.MAA09215@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Count me in, Gina. Thinking good, good thoughts for you and will be awaiting
your good news!
Lita
Subject: Re: This and That
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 02:19 PM EST
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040419192301.OAA25048@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nina:
Your menu sounds terrific - I have not yet settled on mine - yet. This
month's Gourmet Magazine has some interesting ideas, with a Passover menu.
However, it our home it wouldn't be right without Matza Balls!! Mine fly out
of the soup, & Smart Alex just can't get enough of them. I might just work
around their ideas & add my own, as usual.
Your menu is Sephardic, isn't it? Or half & half? We are purely Ashkenazi,
but I do like to use Sephardic touches in our Seder, & always have - with the
Charoset especially.
Hope your Passover is wonderful!
Carol
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 02:43 PM EST
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998040419432201.OAA26214@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Since we're yakking about B'way musicals, what does everyone say about
*Ragtime*? I think I remember reading here how much everyone enjoyed it, but
I have a friend who just got back that didn't llike it, thought it was flat,
no energy. Maybe she hit it on a bad night?
I'm asking because we are already ordering our tickets for our trip Oct
21-25. We've gotten Lion King ones so far, trying to decide the other 3.
Thinking of Scarlet Pimpernel, Cabaret, can't remember what else. Love
getting tips & recs from those of you in the know.
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Super-Slow Reading
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 03:14 PM EST
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998040420143000.PAA01106@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Earlier in the week, I touched on an essay I read titled THe Special Joys of
Super-Slow Reading, by Sydney Piddington. Mr. Piddington is Australian and
learned the art of super-slow reading when he was in a prisoner-of-war camp
in Singapore. He said each person was allowed to bring with them one small
pack. His officer suggested "Each man should find room for a book."
Piddington stuffed into his pack a copy of Lin Yutang's The Importance of
Living. He began--in his words--, "a reading habit that was to keep me sane
for the next three and a half years." He goes on to say, "Previously, if I
had been really interested in a book, I would race from page to page, eager
to know what came next. Now, I decided, I had to become a miser with words
and stretch every sentence like a poor man spending his last
dollar."
Here is a quote from Lin Yuatang's book: "There are two kinds of reading,
reading out of business necessity, and reading as a luxury. The second kind
partakes of the nature of secret delight. It is like a walk in the woods,
instead of a trip to the market. One brings home, not packages of canned
tomatoes, but a brightened face and lungs filled with good clear air."
Says Piddington: "That is what super-slow reading is all about. Try it. As
i read somewhere, a man is only poor when he doesn't know where his next book
is coming from. And if he can get out of the book everything the author put
into it, he is rich indeed."
Here is the method of super-slow reading: "Sometimes just a particular
phrase caught my attention, sometimes a sentence. I would read it slowly,
analyze it, read it again--perhaps changing down into an even lower gear--and
then sit for 20 minutes thinking about it before moving on. I was lide a
pianist studying a piece of music, phrase by phrase, rehearsing it, trying to
discover and recreate exactly what the composer
was trying to convey."
And again: "I defy anyone to pick anything really significant out of a book
by speed reading it. It would be like playing a Beethoven record at the
wrong speed!"
Why did this essay touch me so? As i read about super-slow reading, I
realized why I enjoy my "dessert books" so much more than the "main course
books"--and why I rate the "dessert books" so much higher--I am taking the
time to savor and think about the "dessert books" while I gulp down pages of
my "main course" books quickly.
Of course, you won't want to use super-slow reading with everything you read.
I know I won't, but will slowing down and savoring a truly wonderful book
increase the enjoyment of it? I believe it will. Some books are written to
be raced through and some are written to be savored--to stretch the mind--to
allow me to slow down and gaze out the window as I digest the meaning of the
words and see the pictures in my mind and smell the scents described
and hear the sounds the author hears.
Anyway, I wanted to share the idea of this essay with you. Some of you
already use this method of reading with some of your books. And I will join
you.
Currently reading The Wonder Book of the Air by Cynthia Shearer
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: This and That
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 03:28 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040420281200.PAA03164@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nina-
Our train gets in at 5 - set a place for three more.
Wow - you dinner sounds delicious. Actually our family seves the same for
all of the Jewish holidays--Gefilite Fish, Soup with Matzoh Balls, Pot Roast,
Vegetable usually asparagus and potato noodle pudding. But the best part is
the desert table filled with wonderful candies and cakes. If one can forget
that matzo meal is used instead of flour (this is a stretch) its really all
wonderful.
Have been listening to Mandy Patinkin's new album - all of the songs are in
Yiddish. Can you imagine Bernstein's Maria or Supercalifragilistic done this
way. Also the requisite tunes we were brought up on like Almonds and Raisins
and Ayfen Pripichick. Wonderful music and when Mandy sings, you feel the
songs.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: This and That
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 03:31 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040420321301.PAA03752@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol wrote<<Your menu is Sephardic, isn't it? Or half & half? We are
purely Ashkenazi, but I do like to use Sephardic touches in our Seder, &
always have - with the Charoset especially.>>
The first year my mom was not at our Seder table, I inivited very dear
friends to join with our family. My friend Lee prided herself on a Sephardic
recipe for Haroset from the 16th century. My cousin didn't hear her
correctly and thought she had preserved this dish from then and I was just
serving it. Boy did we have a good laugh at that one.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 03:33 PM EST
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040420335900.PAA04043@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Leslie - I just ordered tickets for Cabaret. You shouldl keep in mind that
the audience is actually arranged as a club so I have no idea where the seats
are or how this will work up.
I've heard raves about Lion King and Ragtime and also Scarlet Pimpernel. You
might want to consider either Titanic or the new one thats opening High
Society.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Short shrift
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 03:54 PM EST
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998040420543400.PAA09726@ladder03.news.aol.com>
The Notebook: ending: ****SPOILER***** I hate to tell you but I did guess
early on that the woman he was reading to in the Nursing Home was his lover.
I didn't think they had married but I did think they had somehow ended up in
the same place.
I enjoyed listening to the tape, even if my driving became erratic at a
certain steamy scene.
Leslie-Loved 1776 and I hear Cabaret is the best ever..
Oops-Darling grandson just arrived and I must leave to play with that darling
4 year old . See you all later.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Plays..
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 07:12 PM EST
From: SilvlocMom
Message-id: <1998040500123201.TAA10786@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Leslie - I recommend the Scarlet Pimpernel very, very highly. It's one of my
top 3 favorites.. Deb and I have been listening to the tape a lot since we
saw the play. Go, go, go.
DH had rotator cuff surgery last Dec and has been doing pretty good with
therap... until now. There's something going on inside the arm and we aren't
happy with the 3 options. Two of them would curtail golf a great deal. None
of us want that :( Shoulders seem to be the family curse lately.. he and
I were both at the doctor for cortisone shots an hour apart.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend.
Joan in NJ
Subject: Jean-Dominique Bauby
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 07:27 PM EST
From: Amdal
Message-id: <1998040500270001.TAA13008@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I've just read The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, a relatively short book by
the above mentioned French author--short because he wrote it after a stroke
in the brain stem which paralysed him except for his left eye. (This was in
1995. He previously worked for Elle magazine) He devised a method of picking
out one letter at a time from a rearranged alphabet and an
assistant wrote them down one at a time.
A fascinating piece of work that lets you realise the possible richness of an
inner life, and gives a glimpse of an existence that must have been really
frustrating much of the time.
Much food for thought in this one.....and a change from my usual mysteries.
Next up---
Blind Descent by Nevada Barr.
Toni
Subject: On wrinkles and birthdays
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 08:24 PM EST
From: Andie1040
Message-id: <1998040501252601.UAA22232@ladder03.news.aol.com>
GRADCLASS: Baking is my tension tamer too. And about those miniscule lines:
my favorite quote from a recent Body Shop ad: "The only way to avoid
wrinkles is to stop smiling for the rest of your life!" Bring on the
smiles....
~Andrea in Illinois ....currently reading
One for the Money by Janet Evanovich
"Make your work play and your play work" - Phil Jackson
Subject: Re: Books in March
Date: Sat, 04 April 1998 08:33 PM EST
From: Andie1040
Message-id: <1998040501332300.UAA20939@ladder01.news.aol.com>
My book list is very short for March:
All That Remains - P. Cornwell B+ classic Kay Scarpetta
She's Come Undone - Wally Lamb A, a lot of suffering, in the end a great
book!
From Potter's Field - P. Cornwell B+ scariest Kay Scarpetta
Seeds of Yesterday - V.C. Andrews D perfectly awful, hilariously bad!
Envious of those who can read 8-10 books in a month... but most are Quality
recs from Booknookers except VC Andrews, of course! ohmygosh, a co-worker
loaned it to me, I should have stuck to the Reader's Bill of Rights... I'm
loaning her the first Elvis Cole so she can have some fun (poor dear!).
~Andrea in Illinois ....currently reading
One for the Money by Janet Evanovich
"Make your work play and your play work" - Phil Jackson
Subject: Re: Nina's Passover
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 03:06 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040507063001.DAA10094@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nina--With a menu like that, you'd better be careful. When you leave the
door open for Elijah, I think all of BN is going to rush in!
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Super-Slow Reading
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 03:11 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040507113500.DAA13176@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jackie--Thanks for the excerpts from this book. I don't have to learn the
technique because instinctively that is the way I usually read. And now I
don't have to feel bad about how few books I read compared to so many others
here. But if I enjoy what I'm reading, I'm going to enjoy it for all it's
worth. The TBR pile will always be there waiting for me (and growing).
I loved the Beethoven analogy.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Judi's soup
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 01:06 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998040517061400.NAA28523@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I finally got around to making Judi's minestrone soup last night and I am
here to testify that it is delicious. And it makes about a zillion servings.
We will have it a couple of times and then freeze the rest for enjoyable
meals in the future.
Thanks, Judi.
Carol
Subject: Wisdom of children
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 01:48 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040517480900.NAA04892@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Some wisdom from the young folk:
"H20 is hot water, and C02 is cold water."
"Three kinds of blood vessels are arteries, vanes and caterpillars."
"To remove dust from the eye, pull the eye down over the nose."
"For a nosebleed: Put the nose much lower then the body until the heart
stops."
"Blood flows down one leg and up the other."
Gonna see Jane Hamilton today! Yippee!
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: My tiny list for March
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 03:37 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998040519373300.PAA23796@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carole #2: How did you like The Sweet Hereafter? I have heard that it is a
good book and movie. I tried to read The Rule of the Bone, also by Russell
Banks, and really didn't like it, so I haven't been in a rush to read The
Sweet Hereafter. Would be interested in your feelings about it!
Erika: I'm reading Alias Grace too...are you going to post in the book club
folder about it?
Cissie: You too...would like to hear your feedback on The Sweet Hereafter.
Also, what do the asterisks mean in your book list post?
Carolyn K: Looks like you had a great reading month....or you are an
exceptionally easy grader! Didn't you just love All Over But the Shoutin'? I
have been recommending this like crazy since I read it.
Diane in S. Florida (currently Boston)
Reading Alias Grace
Posting this an continuing to read posts....lots more to go and I'm afraid of
getting bumped!
Subject: Where River Turns to Sky/Rating scale
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 04:39 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040520391701.QAA00889@ladder01.news.aol.com>
(Posted also in Favorite Fiction)
I just completed Where River Turns to Sky by Gregg Kleiner and liked it very
much. It was a warmly touching book, humorous to tears of laughter at points
and troubled at times, told by Clara Palson and George Castor in alternating
chapters ( included are a few chapters following strange Grace). I do not
think is was intended to be an accurate reflection of alternate possibilities
of Care for the aged ( Independent living in the big red
house), but it takes a spirited and lively look at personalities and problems
of the elderly as it examines life in the twilight years in an
unconventional and improbable setting. The comparisons between what could be
and the cold actuality of Nursing home life make their points.
The setup is completely unbelievable (plot), but I have to assume this is
intentional, given George's fortuitous windfall inheritance and his promise
to make it up to Ralph, since George has so much remorse that Ralph died
alone. George's haphazard plans to make a home for other aged folks without
much thought and an assumption that it will just happen, mixed with a comedy
of errors, his impetuous, stormy nature, and focused energy, are delightful.
George and Clara's inner lives are rich and troubled, and I was drawn to
both of them. Strong characterization.
This is a book which can be read on different levels, but I enjoyed it for
its fast pace and clarity. A Satire of sorts? Certainly a journey. Rating:
3
I like Sue's (Gazebo) rating scale 5-4-3-2-1. It reminds me of a sliding
scale from Excellent-Good-Average-Fair-Poor and perhaps somewhat equal to
A-B-C-D-F, but ABC's are difficult for me to use because sometimes the
writing is superlative, but the content leaves me cold, or the story is
remarkable and the writing so-so. I always have the tendency to imagine
ABC's in terms of quality, not necessarily enjoyment. With the 5 to 1
rating system, my brain can register personal, gut-reaction appraisal rather
than absolute value. Also, the 10 to 1 scale is difficult to me because I
wouldn't know the difference between a 6 and an 8 if two tomes dropped on my
head. Simple seems best for me. So Sue, may I borrow your rating system?
5-4-3-2-1 is now my rubric.
Thinking like this, let me try it out for previous March listing:
Sula 5
Wonder Book of the Air 5
Paradise 3.
Street Lawyer 2.
To Dance With the White Dog 4.
Cause of Death 2.
Unnatural Exposure 4.
Virtuous Woman 3
Tuesdays With Morrie 3
Works for me. <G>
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Judi's soup
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 07:15 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040523152701.TAA28215@ladder03.news.aol.com>
OK, Carol. You just inspired me. I think I'll make a vat o' minestrone
tomorrow. I make the whole recipe and do what you do: eat it for two meals
and freeze the rest. I love it--low calorie and delicious.
Glad you like it!
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Jane Hamilton
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 07:41 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040523412000.TAA02513@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I went to a reading by Jane Hamilton today that I hadn't known about until
this morning. She was very different from the Hamilton I thought I had seen
on tv--shorter, not as skinny, but same face. She read from her new book,
THE SHORT HISTORY OF A PRINCE, which I am in the middle of, so I felt
fortunate to learn about her being in this area while I was reading the book.
PRINCE was a little slow to get into, but once I got into it, I really
started liking it. Hamilton's writing is beautiful, of course, but I wasnt'
sure about the main character, a teenaged boy named Walter McCloud, at first.
Walter wants to be a ballet dancer, but he's totally without talent or the
body of a dancer. What he lacks in talent, however, he makes up for in
passion. His great dream is to dance the prince in The Nutcracker, but he
doesn't even make the cast while his best friends since childhood, Susan and
Mitch, both do. Then he's told he has a chance to play the prince in a
production of Nutcracker in Rockport, Il. He decides to go for it, even
though he's a terrible intellectual snob, because he recognizes he may never
have another chance, and imagines himself truly a prince. What Walter
realizes as he goes through adolescence is that he is in love with one of his
two
best friends, who are in love with each other. The one he's in love with is
Mitch, and so now we have a young, non-gifted teenaged boy who's also gay.
To add to Walter's troubles, his popular, gifted brother is dying with a
mysterious disease. Walter reminds me in some ways of Holden Caulfield--all
the angst of adolescence plus with the added burden of dealing with his
sexuality and his frustrated aspiriations.
Good book! I'm only half through, so I'll let you know more when I finish
it.
Where is everyone today? Out in the spring sunshine?
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: March List
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 08:02 PM EDT
From: SaritaN
Message-id: <1998040600023401.UAA06058@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy Sunday....hope everyone had a great weekend!
Here is my list for March:
Off Season, Death on a Vineyard Beach, A Case of Vineyard Poison and A Deadly
Vineyard Holiday all by Philip R. Craig - I rated these all an A because I
enjoyed the writing style and characters.
Choke - Stuart Woods about a B-.
Dark Debts - Karen Hall another A, started out slow, but I was totally
engrossed about a fourth of the way through.
Don't Cry Now - Joy Fielding - C, so-so.
Name Withheld and Shoot/Don't Shoot - both by J.A. Jance - another set of
A's.
For some reason, March was a heavy mystery month for me. April is starting
out quite differently as I've read To Dance With the White Dog and The Color
of Water.
Carol (Gradglass) - the titles of the Randy Wayne White novels sound
interesting. Should these be read in any order?
Off to try to catch up on the hour I lost last night!
Subject: Wonderful Day
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 08:26 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040600261401.UAA10013@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I am feeling rather blessed - two wonderful days in a row - enjoying this
place & climate as it should be lived, IMHO.
Got a bee in my bonnet yesterday, about going fishing - we have not done that
in a while. Usually that means we get the rods & equipment out of the locker
& stroll our the garage to the beach. We are there, & we fish. (Of course,
while Alex is getting himself primed, I have already gone & bought bait, made
lunch & snacks, & all that). Today was a little different - I did all my
usual chores, THEN we packed the car & drove a few miles to a
property just at the end of Marco, now called Key Marco - originally Capt.
Horr's Island - & you can guess why we changed THAT name. Capt. Horr used to
farm pineapples & fresh fruit here - vestiges of his house stand here - &
send the produce to Key West. If you have read the book, WHO KILLED MR.
WATSON by Matthiessen, you will recognize this location very easily. Alex is
part of the group that developed not only where we live here, but also this
beautiful, growing community. It is aimed at folks who love to boat - every
lot is on the water, & in addition, there is a dock master facility so that
each lot does not have to have a dock & all that stuff - you bring your boat
in to the dock master, he takes you home & then takes your boat back - cleans
it, services it, & has it all ready for the next time. In any event - this
is not a real estate commercial - but the place is gorgeous & we went
fishing off the docks there. It is so silent - dolphins & manatee jump &
play all around. Within a minute of dropping in a line, I had caught a fish
- & another - & another - within an hour or so we had dinner - 5 sheepshead,
1 red snapper, & an angel fish. We forced ourselves to stay there & enjoy
the lunch, the ice cold drinks, the fresh air.
If you have never seen sheepshead, they are very comical fish: they have
faces just like sheep - with teeth that look as if they are ready to nibble
grass instead of shrimp-bait. They have rather flat bodies & are striped.
Their dorsal fin is a 'stickler' - they are so full of bones that most people
do not bother to clean & eat them - however, we find their flesh very sweet &
if you cook them properly whole, you can lift the flesh right off the
bones. When we catch fish, we keep them in the water in a basket, & just
before we come home we put them in a cooler full of ice. All the way home
that cooler was "dancing".
Some acorn squash, a fresh salad - & fish that had absolutely NO odour as it
cooked - what a perfect ending to this weekend.
Oh yeah - I caught all but one of the fish- Alex guts them with no complaint
- then I re-clean them & scale them - I have a method.
I know it's not everyone's idea of a good time, but I love being out-of-doors
& just to sit seems very wasteful of the gorgeous weather & the ocean/Gulf.
I think I have downed about 6 glasses of ice water since I got home.
On our second date, Alex took me to his trout fishing club, about 30 miles
north of Toronto. There they raise trout for commercial sales, & stock their
own ponds. There is a delightful old farm house where you can stay overnight
if you want to spend a weekend, & a minimum staff to help you. They will
smoke the trout you catch, or cook them right away & serve you a meal. You
can take out a row boat, or fly fish from a dam. The first time we went,
I was charmed by the place (& by Alex, as well.) He was such a ---- klutz!
Within 15 minutes he had knotted his line every time he cast, & finally, the
coup de grace, cast & snared the seat of his own pants! Was he embarrassed -
not at all - he laughed at himself (& when you get to hear him laugh you will
appreciate THAT), allowed me to remove the hook, drew the New York Times out
of his pocket & proceeded to read while I fished. I am sure, after
13 years of 'dating' after one marriage failure, this gave me a great big
kick over the fence into falling for this man.
Now I have never been squeamish about worms & baiting hooks, but I do draw
the line at touching a live fish - feh!! It's a good thing there is a quota
at the club, or the pond would have been empty of fish. We must have had
particulary juicy worms, because I had soon reached the quota & Alex got to
clean the fish.
Sorry to blather on - must be sunstroke!
Off to read more of the YA YAs
The Marco Maniac - time to search for a new tagline
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Sunday poem
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 11:26 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040603261400.XAA12353@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thought I'd share a good one with you...Enjoy!
REMEMBER WHEN....
A COMPUTER WAS SOMETHING ON TV
FROM A SCIENCE FICTION SHOW
A WINDOW WAS SOMETHING YOU HATED TO CLEAN....
AND RAM WAS THE COUSIN OF A GOAT.....
MEG WAS THE NAME OF MY GIRLFRIEND
AND GIG WAS YOUR THUMB UPRIGHT
NOW THEY ALL MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS
AND THAT MEGA BYTES
AN APPLICATION WAS FOR EMPLOYMENT
A PROGRAM WAS A TV SHOW
A CURSOR USED PROFANITY
A KEYBOARD WAS A PIANO
MEMORY WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU LOST WITH AGE
A CD WAS A BANK ACCOUNT
AND IF YOU HAD A 3 1/2 in. FLOPPY
YOU HOPED NO ONE FOUND OUT
COMPRESS WAS SOMETHING YOU DID TO THE GARBAGE
NOT SOMETHING YOU DID TO A FILE
AND IF YOU UNZIPPED ANYTHING IN PUBLIC
YOU'D BE IN JAIL FOR A WHILE
LOG ON WAS ADDING WOOD TO THE FIRE
HARD DRIVE WAS A LONG TRIP ON THE ROAD
A MOUSE PAD WAS WHERE A MOUSE LIVED
AND A BACKUP HAPPENED TO YOUR COMMODE
CUT YOU DID WITH A POCKET KNIFE
PASTE YOU DID WITH GLUE
A WEB WAS A SPIDER'S HOME
AND A VIRUS WAS THE FLU
I GUESS I'LL STICK TO MY PAD AND PAPER
AND THE MEMORY IN MY HEAD
I HEAR NOBODY'S BEEN KILLED IN A COMPUTER CRASH
BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS THEY WISH THEY WERE DEAD
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading Bruised Fruit by Amy Ephron.
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Sun, 05 April 1998 11:34 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040603340401.XAA13654@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Ok...here's a challenge. We saw my in-laws on the day after Xmas but for
reasons too long to outline here, they didn't give my kids their gifts. I
had told my mother in law about DD's top pick on her list and she had bought
it. January passed. February passed. They live about 2 hours away and
seldom are willing to make the drive to see us. Between their flu and our
flu....we were in March. DD was frantic for the particular gift so finally,
after weeks, I gave in, told her grandma and grandpa were giving it to
her....and bought it myself...to exchange when the appropriate time came.
I'm pretty honest but I'm in sales, so what do you expect? A little extra
flattery at appropriate times. DH is Mr. Honesty...he said we should not
tell grandma about the switch. He explained it to the girls so when DD got
the gift today, she was surprised and thankful. We talked about it
later...sparing someone's feelings is often kinder in appropriate situations
where no one is hurt by it.
So.....am I tarred and feathered for being the worst mother? I happen to
think in certain situations, you need to teach the socially acceptable or
kindest answer. (Now we can quarrel about the appropriateness of DMIL, but I
don't think this is the place!)
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading Bruised Fruit by Amy Ephron.
Subject: Re: Wonderful Day
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 12:16 AM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998040604164701.AAA18012@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol--another fisherwoman! I used to go fishing every week-end when i lived
back in Illinois. And I have missed the experience a lot since I moved here
to Utah. So I have solved that dilema--I took my first fly fishing class
last Thursday! I'm the only woman in the class, but there is a young girl
taking the class with her Daddy--too cool! Next Thursday we get to learn to
cast--in the high school gymnasium.
I told DH I found my fishing vest--I am in love with it! I forgot to check
to see how much it costs, though. DH says "Oh boy!" and rolled his eyes.
What can I say? I want to do this with style! The fishing vest is a lovely
sage color and has the most interesting pockets. Isn't that interesting--I
found my vest before I found my rod? I can do that!
I can hardly wait for our first field trip in two weeks! We don't know where
we are going yet because the spring run-off has started in some areas. We
have to watch the water reports now.
If I ever get back to Florida, i will surely look you up, Carol, you maniac!
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Tape Gripes
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 12:47 AM EDT
From: ShanOD
Message-id: <1998040604470700.AAA25139@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I'm listening to Undue Influence by Steve Martini, read by Harry Hamlin.
Good mystery story, but I almost pulled the tape out of the player to throw
it out the window while I was on the freeway today! It's one thing to run
into unfamiliar place names when I'm reading and have to guess (anyone who's
come across the name "Puyallup" will understand what I'm talking about!) but
when I'm doing the reading, I can
mentlaly adjust and go on. However, it really bugs me on a professional
tape, to hear place names mispronounced! The killer this time? Lompoc.
Easy enough. It's a little town in California, known for its "country club"
federal prison (John Dean spent some time there, if I remember correctly) and
its nearness to Vandenberg AFB where much of the early space program happened
(lots of rocket tests and all).
LOM-poke. Not LOM-pock. Anyone living in California (and Harry Hamlin did,
at least for a while) should be able to pronounce it. And anyone doing a
commercial tape ought to check this kind of detail! g-nash, g-nash...
distracting, to say the least.
As for Undue Influence? About a B so far. Why do I get the feeling Martini
read a good book on how to write a page-turner?
Shannon
Subject: Another Book Nook Birthday!
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 01:14 AM EDT
From: CLKMcG
Message-id: <1998040605141600.BAA28693@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday to youuuu,
Happy Birthday to youuuu,
Happy Birthday, Mary Coral,
Happy Birthday to youuuu!!
And many morrrrrrreeeeee!! Enjoy your special day!!
~Cheri~
"Woe be to him that reads but one book."
.....George Herbert 1593--1633
Subject: Reading Binge
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 04:05 AM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040608052101.EAA09747@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I was on a reading binge this weekend (besides having to work this afternoon
at a fundraiser) and read a few really good books.
The Sixteen Pleasures by Robert Hellenga
Thanks to all who recommended this. I enjoyed it very much. The Sixteen
Pleasures is an intriguing blend of travel writing, romance, nun story and
caper thriller that works. I was impressed with her ingenuity in the caper,
hoped for better in the romance, but liked the characters and they were true
to their own characters--even if some are not true to each other (so to
speak) and the details about the art, the books and the convent added
richness to
the texture of the story. Intriguing and unique...altogether excellent.
The Echo by Minette Walters
Lighter relative to her other mysteries. In The Echo a homeless man starves
to death in the garage of a woman living in one of the wealthier and more
exclusive subdivisions of London. Michael Deacon is ordered to write a story
on this death and the homeless issue and after meetiung the woman whose
garage provided the final resting spot for Billy Blake, he becomes obsessed
with his search for the truth. If youa re looking for moral absolutes, you
won't find them here, but you will find a fascinating, thought-provoking
suspenseful mystery with more surprises than most. The only thing that did
not ring true was how difficult it was for some of the characters to make
the Billy Blake/William Blake connection---especially when Billy Blake turns
out to rant and roar about religion.
Four Letters of Love by Niall Williams
This was simply a pleasant book, a romance with some mystical element of Fate
moving the characters to the inevitable. I did not dislike this book at all,
but I must damn it with faint praise. It was pleasant, nice, etc. but I did
not feel that involved in the charactters so it was not affecting.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Censored 98
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 04:19 AM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040608195201.EAA12997@ladder03.news.aol.com>
As they do every year, the folks at Project Censored have published the top
25 Censored Stories of the Year. These are stories that did not get the
coverage they deserved, relative to their public interest and their possible
impact on people....stories that were driven out with the coverage of
JonBenet, Paula jones and Princess Di....celebrity journalism driving out the
news.
For the second year in a row, Covert Action Quarterly has 3 stories in the
top ten...I cannot praise this magazine highly enough.
This years stories include:
1) Clinton Adminstration Aggressively Promotes US Arms Sales Worldwide
2) Personal Care and Cosmetic Products May be Carcinogenic
3) Big Business Seeks to Control and Influence US Universities
4) Exposing the Global Surveillance System.
5) US Companies are World Leaders in the Manufacture of Torture Devices for
Internal Use and Export
6) Russian Plutonium Lost Over Chile and Brazil (It is not just for the
great taste that I have switched exclusively to Sumatran coffeebeans.)
7) Norplan and Human Lab Experiments in Third World Lead to Forced Use in US
8) Little Kno9wn Federal Law Paves the Way for a National Identification Card
9) Mattel Cuts US Jobs to Ipen Sweatshops in Other Countries
10) Army's Planm to Burn Nerve Gas and Toxins in Oregon Threatens Columbia
River Basin
11) Death Behind Bars
12) 21 States offer corporations immunity from violating Environmental laws
13) American Drug Industry Use the Poior as guinea pigs.
14) US Blood Supply is increasingly threatened by parasites.
15) Mainstream newspapers ifnore inner city low-income and rural 'fringe'
areas
16) ys paper comnpanies conspire to squash zpaptistas
17) Txins and envoiropnmental pollution contribute to human aggression in
society
18) Pharmaceutical companies mass market drugs
19) Evidence of flouridation danger mounts
20) environmental regualtions creat jobs and make american corporations more
competitice
21) Blood tests suggest reason behind gulf war syndrome
22) FBI: Sloppy, out of touch, and very powerful
23) The scheme to privatize the hanford nuke plant
24) Profits before People delay release of new AIDS drug
25) Black elected officials targetd by law
Appendices include national press resources and suggested reading to teach
readers to become better news consumers.
I get this every year and every year , it does not disappoint...though since
this focuses on investigative stories, it tends to be a little depressing.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: McMala
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 07:37 AM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998040611370000.HAA17506@ladder01.news.aol.com>
A
very
Happy Birthday
to you!!!!
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Re: My tiny list for March
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 07:50 AM EDT
From: Dixie80
Message-id: <1998040611502001.HAA20933@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Diane--I liked "The Sweet Hereafter". But the biggest reason I liked it was
because it took place in an imaginary town near me. Some of the places he
mentioned are real places. I am waiting for "The Cloudsplitter" by him to
come in so I can read it too. It was fast reading for me, which is always a
big plus.
Carole #2 in the Adirondacks
"If you can imagine it,
You can achieve it.
If you can dream it,
You can become it."
-William Arthur Ward
Subject: Happy Birthday
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 07:58 AM EDT
From: Dixie80
Message-id: <1998040611582801.HAA18795@ladder01.news.aol.com>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
MARY CORAL!!!!
Carole #2 in the Adirondacks
"If you can imagine it,
You can achieve it.
If you can dream it,
You can become it."
-William Arthur Ward
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARYCORAL!!
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 08:26 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040612262101.IAA23321@ladder03.news.aol.com>
OK - let's hear it - mi mi mi - this is to be sung to the tune of: STARS
FELL IN ALABAMA - what else????
Stars rose in Alabama,
The day that you came to earth-
The sky burst into a shower
To celebrate, your birth.
We, here in our wee Book Nook,
Are glad, that you are with us,
A most pleasant lovely lady,
Who doesn't make a fuss.
Mary lively as a Coral,
A charmer from the sunny South,
Let's hear what she says about books,
What pearls can fall from her mouth.
We know that it is her birthday,
We wish, that this year will be -
The best that she's had in a while
The best thing in life that's free.
MC makes time to help with her friends,
She makes time for cheery thoughts-
Her view is always optimistic -
While Book Nook posts she jots.
So let's, all join in the chorus -
And sing out loud & clear & true -
Dear MaryCoral have a birthday -
That's great & sweet, like you!
HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MARY CORAL - ONE SWEET DESERVING LADY!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: March List
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 08:28 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040612282200.IAA23479@ladder03.news.aol.com>
THESE BOOKS CAN BE READ IN ANY ORDER - BUT I FOUND SOME OF THE CHARACTERS
STARTED IN THE FIRST BOOK & EVOLVED A LITTLE - SO #1 - SANIBEL FLATS; #2 -
THE HEAT ISLANDS; #3 - CAPTIVA, #4 - THE MAN WHO INVENTED FLORIDA
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Wonderful Day
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 08:31 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040612322301.IAA23754@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh Jackie - you are indeed a woman of kindred spirit! Come to Florida & I
will share all my favourite fishing "holes" with you!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 08:46 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040612464101.IAA22178@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I think you did the right thing. There was no point in hurting your DMIL.
Cheef
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: McMala
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 08:50 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040612501101.IAA25139@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday, Mary
Coral. May you be blessed all year.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Gone Fishing...
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 09:40 AM EDT
From: E1 BOZ
Message-id: <1998040613402401.JAA29369@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Good morning Book Nookers!
This is so neat, finding others here who like fishing!! I had my fishing
license in my pocket by 9am on April 1st. Last year for Mother's Day Ed and
Matt asked me if there was anything special I wanted. So I asked for and
received a shiny new fishing rod, tackle box and lots of nifty lures,
sinkers, hooks bobbers and other cool stuff. Two other friends and I just
LOVE to go fishing on our days off from work! It is so much fun, and SO
relaxing,
that I often go by myself. Felt like I was 12 years old the first time I
came home with a stringer full of trout to show off to DH and DS. And I made
them take my picture.
Don't mind baiting the hook or removing it.. but Matt cleans them for me..
Will be going out tomorrow if the weather is okay.
Before I forget
Happy Birthday, Mary Coral!!!
And don't forget! April 18th for First Great Albany Book Nook Sleepover!
Anyone wanting to join me and Carole's #2 and #3 and Jayne, and Laura, please
email me and I will tell you whatever you want to know about lunch, or
hotels, etc. I can't wait... my whole schedule this month revolves around
this date.!
Have a great day, everyone!
Carole #1 In Upstate NY, currently reading "Up Island", by Anne Rivers
Siddons.
"If you are not afraid to face the music, you may one day lead the band"...
Subject: Re: Another Book Nook Birthday!
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 10:32 AM EDT
From: CKoucky
Message-id: <1998040614320701.KAA01925@ladder01.news.aol.com>
MaryCoral Happy, happy birthday. Have a lovely day and many more!!!
Lita: I think you handled it just fine. What's the point of a
confrontation! Loved your Remember When. Do I ever!!
SilverLoc: Rotator cuff injuries are sooo miserable. Hope your DH recovers
so that he can still play golf
NANCY: So glad the news was good for you and for Mitch. I do think all the
good wishes and prayers from BN are helpful. Thay are to me.
Still not caught up--miss a few days and I'm way behind.
Still cold here in Mi but a beautiful sunny day.
Pat
Subject: Birthday wishes
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 11:02 AM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998040615022400.LAA05060@ladder01.news.aol.com>
MANY HAPPY RETURNS, MARY CORAL
ENJOY YOUR SPECIAL DAY
Carol
Subject: Re: Tape Gripes
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 11:06 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040615060801.LAA08075@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Shannon - I joined you a few months ago in the tape gripes. Was listening to
a Robert Crais (sorry Bob). Loved the book but the streets...La Cienega,
Sepulveda...were completely mispronounced. Fingernails on the blackboard!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARY CORAL!!!!!! MANY, MANY MORE!!!!!
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading Bruised Fruit by Amy Ephron.
Subject: Re: Tape Gripes
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 11:17 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040615171501.LAA06606@ladder01.news.aol.com>
If it was the Voodoo River tape, not only are the street names wrongly
pronounced, but Lucy Chenier is not Shenyay, but Sheneer. I have that on Mr.
Crais' authority.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Native American site
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 11:54 AM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040615550601.LAA13302@ladder03.news.aol.com>
For those of you who love all things Native American like I do, I just found
this absolutely gorgeous site. I think this ranks with the Vicky Littleleaf
and NASA sites asamong my top three.
Main Menu: Native American Indian PlentyStuff
Enjoy!
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: TO MC
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 12:43 PM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998040616430801.MAA18686@ladder03.news.aol.com>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MC
Is Jimmy whisking you off to someplace wonderful? Wish I was there to help
you celebrate.
Love,
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Attn: SoCal Booknookers!!!
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 01:01 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040617011900.NAA20856@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Ok, she went to NY first but now Marilu is coming to Southern California! It
looks like we're planning a get-together on Thursday, May 21. We haven't
decided on a time...I know its a workday, so I was thinking lunch, late
afternoon, early dinner. Somewhere between LA and OC? (Which seems to be
where Marilu is going to be.)
Please e-mail me with your preferences and I'll try to straighten it all out.
Look forward to seeing all of you!
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading Bruised Fruit by Amy Ephron.
Subject: Interesting to you?
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 01:40 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040617403300.NAA25622@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Not sure if this interests anyone - thought I would mention it anyway.
Author Jane Hamilton
Wednesday, April 8 at 8:30pm ET
Fans of Oprah's Book Club may remember Jane Hamilton's first novel, The Book
of Ruth. Her latest, The Short History of a Prince tackles literature's great
themes: ambition, art, death, friends and family (just to name a few).
(Keyword: BarnesandNoble)
NJ Governor Christine Todd Whitman
Wednesday, April 8 at 8:00pm ET
Christine Todd Whitman has been Governor of New Jersey since 1993. Many
believe she could turn up on the GOP Presidential ticket someday. Talk with
one of politics' leading figures. (Keyword: DCPhilly)
House Speaker/Author Newt Gingrich
Friday, April 10 at 9:00pm ET
Newt Gingrich's new book, Lessons Learned the Hard Way, recounts his
experiences as House Speaker. Talk with the provocative conservative leader.
Does he intend to renew his "Contract with America?" (Keyword:
BarnesandNoble)
************
Aha - some fisher-people have turned up here - that's great! Let's get
together & trade fishing lies. I have so many hysterically funny fishing
stories I lost count - but maybe that's because I tend to see the humour in
everything. The strangest was catching 6 small hammerhead sharks right off
the beach here last year - & the ugly little critters die as soon as you pull
them in. They looked like mini-Orcas - shudder.
Off to Ya Ya -ville
The Marco Maniac, having pre-Passover planning crises
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Monday morning
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 01:44 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998040617441101.NAA23361@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi all - I'm back from 4 days away and the first thing I do, of course, is
read our board. I checked immediately to see if we had heard from Warren
since I'd been gone - but I see we haven't. Does anyone know how he is? If
you're reading this, Warren, all my best to you.
Gina - Are you already familiar with Los Gatos? I had never been there
before. It was charming, very woodsy and lots of flowers everywhere. Our
couple (Megan & Mike) were married in a place called Villa Montalvo with the
reception at the Toll House Hotel. Everything went perfectly, down to the
bride's brother announcing his engagement the next morning.
I've started Isle of Joy by Frank Daugherty (?) and am enjoying it so far -
Congratulations to all who got good news while I was gone. I knew everything
would be OK for the people here.
Must get to work - have a nice day.
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Monday, Monday
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 01:51 PM EDT
From: CLKMcG
Message-id: <1998040617510601.NAA24246@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Congratulations, Pat, Nancy & Michelle!!! Wonderful news from doctors and
tests! Now Gina, let's keep fingers and toes crossed for your news tomorrow!
It saddens me to hear from you teachers and moms of older children what a
struggle is ahead for those of us with young children. Right now, Mike and
Nicky, are 6 1/2. They want to go everywhere with me. They think I know
everything and can fix anything. Our biggest battles involve getting in bed
on time and staying there! I hope Pat and I will be able to handle the time
in not too distant future when their friends, girls, driving, drugs, etc.,
will become the battle ground. My younger sister has three boys, 12, 15 and
18. I've seen what she's been through and cringe!!
Just started the late Lawrence Sanders McNALLY'S SECRET.
~Cheri~
"Woe be to him that reads but one book."
.....George Herbert 1593--1633
Subject: Re: My tiny list for March
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 01:52 PM EDT
From: RKCK SYST
Message-id: <1998040617523100.NAA24407@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Carolyn K: Looks like you had a great reading month....or you are an
exceptionally easy grader! Didn't you just love All Over But the Shoutin'? I
have been recommending this like crazy since I read it.>>
I do read fairly fast but I also have more time than some people -- I
retired from nursing a couple of years ago. And I did, indeed, LOVE All Over
But the Shoutin'! What a wonderful story. I had the pleasure of meeting
Rick Bragg last October (along with Jackie -- J5577); he's very
down-to-earth, warm, friendly, neighbor-like. It felt like we could easily
sit down together and enjoy a cup of coffee and nice chat. Neat guy . . .
Carolyn K.
"Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of
it." P.J. O'Rourke
Subject: Re: Happy birthday!
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 02:12 PM EDT
From: RKCK SYST
Message-id: <1998040618125001.OAA29763@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Coral,
Have a WONDERFUL day!!! Thinking of you . . .
Carolyn K.
"Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of
it." P.J. O'Rourke
Subject: Re: What I Read in March
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 02:13 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040618132100.OAA29821@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I'll never get caught up I fear! But I'm trying.
Jackie -- What a wonderful "reading" March you had.
Carolyn -- I gave "All Over but the Shoutin'" an A+, too!
SV --"Rose's Garden" got a rave review in our local Sunday paper yesterday.
Sounds sweet, affirming, but not sentimental.
I saw "Rent" with my girls this past summer. It reminded me of "Hair" --
lots of youthful energy, loud music. My then-17-year old adored it and has
seen it again. I guess I'd give it a B, though I'm glad I saw it especially
in light of the fact that it is enormously popular with young people and I
like to know what they're thinking, seeing, relating to, etc.
Nancy -- Just read of your good news. I hope spring weather has returned for
you both to mirror your emotional mood. Glad you celebrated with a
book-buying spree.
Is Horse Whisperer coming out in May? Whew! Glad I read it first. I didn't
HATE the book, though I know that it is fashionable to do so. Having spent
many years hanging out in a barn with my youngest, I guess the horse aspect
of it appealed to me. It wasn't the worst book I've ever read, certainly not
the best. Sort of like a Big Mac -- really tasty sometimes, fills you up for
a short time, but nothing you're going to encourage others to rush
out and do.
I still have about 100 more posts to read. And I'm near death from the
protracted BD! That and the new time. I think I'll take a quick nap and
finish up later in the afternoon.
Cissie, who has OD'd on BD
Subject: Re: Patron Saint of Liars
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 02:45 PM EDT
From: CKoucky
Message-id: <1998040618451501.OAA01114@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Who wrote All Over but the Shouting--Looks like another TBR
Gina: Thinking about you--hope the news is GOOD news.
Did anyone see Patron Saint of Liars on TV? Watched in spite of
myself--curious and I do like Delaney (sp?) I was surprised at how good it
was until the end. They had to pretty it up(what an expression) and it
really got hokey. So glad I read the book first. Even the spring started
gushing again. As usual the book was so much better. Sometimes things
don't have beatiful endings. Heaven forfend if things are left up in the air
and questions
are unanswered.
MariLu: Love the Langston Hughes poetry.
Pat
Still reading Call it Sleep(don't know where that "Some" crept in. Thanks
for the correction) Just read the review of his last bk. in the NYT. that's
how i heard about it in the first place.
Subject: Patron Saint
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 03:13 PM EDT
From: E1 BOZ
Message-id: <1998040619134601.PAA04797@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Last night I had Patron Saint on TV while reading the posts, etc. and was
taping it also. I have never read this book and I think I must have been
missing something. Although I liked the story line I kept thinking that
parts were missing. So guess I will have to go out and get the book and then
watch the tape all over again. Anyone else care to comment?
Carole #1 In Upstate NY, currently reading "Up Island", by Anne Rivers
Siddons.
"If you are not afraid to face the music, you may one day lead the band"...
Subject: A Special Birthday
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 03:53 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040619531801.PAA13316@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Have a Wonderful Birthday
Mary Coral !
You Deserve the Best !
Love, Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 04:02 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040620025701.QAA11727@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy -- Ragime -- The movie came out several years ago and was
disappointing. I think that this is its first run on Broadway, but there was
so much pre-opening hype that one would think it had been around for ages.
Leslie -- My lucky friends (some that you know, too) and family who have been
to NY lately rave about Jekyll and Hyde.
Jackie -- Thanks for the exerpt about slow-reading! I've been known to read
out loud which helps me to savor worthy books.
Diane - ** means "exceptional". But I'll go with letter grades or the
1-2-3-4-5 method in the future. I loved "The Sweet Hereafter", thought the
themes of loss and guilt and blame were explored so well. Very depressing.
Rule of the Bone was enjoyable, but didn't have the same impact as Sweet. I
also have Cloudsplitter on my tottering pile, but haven't the energy for this
lengthy a book yet. Banks is a talented writer, IT ("I Think').
I'll post now before I get bumped. Hoping to read good news from Gina soon!
Cissie, recovering
Subject: Birthdays
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 04:08 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040620084001.QAA15641@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Coral -- Happy Birthday. May you celebrate all week. It's the only
way.
Cissie, the former Birthday Queen
Subject: Re: Patron Saint
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 04:17 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040620173400.QAA17091@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol -- Like you, I haven't read this book but also felt that I was missing
something. I thought the movie was just dreadful. (Could the fact that I
drifted off a couple of times have anything to do with my opinion?)
Rick Bragg, a Pulitzer prize winning journalist, wrote "All Over But the
Shoutin'" -- the best "memoir" I've read since Liar's Club. Just when I
think that I cannot read another painful growing up book, along comes
something splendid like this one. Now I have "Are You Somebody? The
Accidental Memoir of a Dublin Woman" on my list.
Cissie
Subject: Bruised Fruit
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 05:02 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040621025000.RAA21411@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I posted this before and got knocked off...so frustrating...so trying
again...
I just finished Bruised Fruit by Amy Ephron, a book I picked up because I
like the Ephrons and it said "sizzler", something I thought might keep me
interested since I've picked up and put down after a few pages over a dozen
books lately. It was not a sizzler, rather a psyhological exploration of a
woman under suspicion of the murder of her lover. It is less about the
murder and more about her. Very spare, oddly touching...though I had just
thought this would end up as a "fun, quick read", I was affected by this
short, easy-to-read book.
Now...is it All Over but the Shoutin or Snow in August?
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading Bruised Fruit by Amy Ephron.
Subject: Birthday Wishes
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 05:15 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040621153201.RAA26452@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Best of wishes on your birthday Mary Coral. Hope this year brings only the
best for you and your family.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Birthday Wishes
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 06:57 PM EDT
From: Ratacheck
Message-id: <1998040622571601.SAA14142@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thinking of you, Mary Coral, and wishing you a Happy, happy day!!
Rita
Subject: Happy Birthday
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 07:01 PM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998040623013200.TAA11858@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mary Coral,
A very, very happy birthday to you!
Carolyn on Long Island
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mary Coral!
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 07:27 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040623273500.TAA19455@ladder03.news.aol.com>
i i
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Happy Birthday
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
i i
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Happy Birthday
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
* * * * * * *
* * * * * *
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Wonderful Day
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 07:31 PM EDT
From: DCDLSD
Message-id: <1998040623311901.TAA17144@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Your day sounds wonderful to me. I just cooked the last sheepshead from the
freezer last Friday. What is your method of scaling. I have to use wire
cutters on the fins. One bone under a fingernail has made me much more
careful. They are really tasty fish, the angel fish too. We have a friend
who loves to fish, but hates to clean and cook so we always look forward to
his fishing trips!
Lynne in Houston
Subject: Re: What I Read in March
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 07:36 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040623361500.TAA18031@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Is Horse Whisperer coming out in May?>>
Yes, Cissie - I have seen the trailers sevevral times both on tv and in the
movie theaters. It looks sooo good especially since the background music is
the haunting melody from The Piano. I really can picture Redford as Tom
Booker and probably Kristin Scott Thomas as Annie. Nut sure who is cast as
Grace. In the meantime, many of the 7th grade girls read this book and want
to dicuss it with me.
I am almost finished with the book and a most curious thing has happened. I
was busy over the weekend and only read 80 odd pages. When I read so little
I'm not really into the book and I almost closed the book since I have so
many other good books waiting in the wings. But today I polished off 150
pages and now am really enjoying this title. Being a non- animal person
although I used to ride when much younger I wasn't at al lsure the basic
premise
of the book would appeal to me. Nevertheless I did buy it when it was first
published but put it away for the right time. Then I began reading such
negative reviews and reader's complaints about the ending. Well, I did read
the ending a long time ago and won't be able to judge till I finish. I do
wonder if knowing what happens to everyone isn't spoiling this for me just a
smidgen.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Monday morning
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 07:44 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040623443300.TAA19546@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Gina - Are you already familiar with Los Gatos? >>
Mary Ann, Yes, I grew up in Campbell which is right next door to Los Gatos.
I love the area. My brother will be getting married on Saturday at the Los
Gatos Opera House which is a lovely place.
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 07:44 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040623443400.TAA22557@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cissie-<<Ragime -- The movie came out several years ago and was
disappointing.>> Nwo that you mentioned this I do think that James Cagney
was in the movie. Must have been sometime ago.
The author of the book Ragtime, E. L. Doctorow, has written some other very
interesting books. One of them is Daniel which is the story of a child whose
parents were exceuted for allegedly being spies for Russia and also of
passing along seceret documents dealing with the A Bomb. It was really the
story of the Rosebergs sons who wrote their own book several years ago called
We are There Sons. Although adopted by another family and with a new name,
the two boys who were quite young when their parenst went to the electric
chair did acknowledge world - wide that they were born to Ethel and Julius
Rosenberg. This was a very dark book and probably doesn't have the same
impact that it did when I first read it.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mary Coral!
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 07:47 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040623483401.TAA20315@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday
Mary Coral!
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Shoutin'
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 07:53 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040623534200.TAA24277@ladder03.news.aol.com>
LITA--Read ALL OVER BUT THE SHOUTIN'. What a wonderful book! Although, the
other one is, too.
PAT--ALL OVER BUT THE SHOUTIN' is by Rick Bragg, Pulitzer Prize winning
journalist.
CAROL--I went to a reading of Jane Hamilton's yesterday. She's very
different than I had thought she would be when I saw her on Oprah's. She's
very funny in person, and like with Margaret Hamilton, I was able to really
see her humorous side when she read her own work--her new one, which I am
about 2/3 through and which is called THE SHORT HISTORY OF A
PRINCE. She looks as though she were on a UC campus in the late sixties,
early seventies. She's very bright, down-to-earth.
RUTHALICE--<<since this focuses on investigative stories, it tends to be a
little depressing.>> Thanks for really cheering me up!
For anyone who loves words like I do, I stumbled onto this veritable search
engine of a dictionary site--every kind of dictionary imaginable.
A Web of On-line Dictionaries
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Another Book Nook Birthday!
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 08:06 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998040700065900.UAA23678@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Pat wrote: SilverLoc: Rotator cuff injuries are sooo miserable. Hope your
DH recovers so that he can still play golf
Actually, this is my father . . . it's Mom's (SilvLocMom) DH. To my best
knowledge, I do not have a DH (or even a DB) at the present time! (grin)
Meanwhile, Dad's shoulder is coming along and, yes, he's been out to play
golf a few times already this season. Thank heaven!
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: Re: Gone Fishing...
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 08:39 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998040700394900.UAA02861@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<Don't mind baiting the hook or removing it.>> Count me in there, Carole!
When I used to fish in Illinois, it was with a large group. I was the only
woman who would gather the bait, bait my own hooks, remove the fish--and help
with the cleaning. Understand these were catfish we caught--no scales. I
haven't cleaned a scaled fish yet, but I suppose i'll have to learn how to
now. I believe if I'm gonna fish--I'm gonna learn to do it all.
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Happy Birthday MARY CORAL
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 08:43 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998040700430800.UAA03484@ladder03.news.aol.com>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
MARY CORAL
I AM NOT A POET AND
I KNOW IT.
BUT I KNOW WE BOTH ARE 39!!!!!
HAVE A GOOD ONE.
FOND REGARDS,
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 08:43 PM EDT
From: JKline31
Message-id: <1998040700434500.UAA03615@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hello,
I saw Ragtime in February and found it stunning - recommend it to
everyone. JKL
Subject: Two verbed nouns
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 08:57 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040700575701.UAA06237@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Marilu,
Thank you so much for including the Web of on-line dictionaries site in your
post. Found a wonderful feature there : Linguistic Fun
Just a couple of examples are included if anyone is interested or go to next
subject now!
Roe
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Shallow in 2 Henry IV laments the death of a local archer who was a
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recalls, "and betted much money on his head" (III.ii.44-45). In 1592,
the noun bet was first recorded in English, and five years later
Shakespeare was the first to use the verb form, choosing betted for the
past tense. Less certain is the background of bet. One theory suggests
that it may have originated as a shortening of the noun abet, used to
mean "encouragement" or "support," inasmuch as placing a bet on
something (or someone) is one way of showing support. Any connection
between bet and abet, however, is purely speculative. It would be a safe
wager that the verb was not a favorite for Shakespeare, who uses it only
the one time. He does, however, place the noun form in a speech in
Hamlet, when the Prince elaborates on "the French bet against the
Danish" (V.ii.163). Nowadays the verb is heard in the slangy affirmative
"You bet," a phrase first recorded in American English in the
mid-nineteenth century, and in its more recent variant "You betcha."
Using Shakespeare's verb, the British novelist William Makepeace
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Aggressive players may be penalized for trying to ____ others out of
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poignant scenes of King Lear is the reuniting of the King with his
youngest daughter, Cordelia. At first he refuses to see her when she
returns from France, and the Earl of Kent attributes that reluctance to
feelings of guilt, adding, "A sovereign shame so elbows him"
(IV.iii.42). In Old English, eln, meaning "ell," an old unit of
measurement, was combined with boga, "bow," to form the noun that
eventually came to be spelled elbow. Shakespeare is the first writer
known to turn this noun into a verb, using it figuratively to suggest
the nudging of a guilty conscience. Elbow has continued to be useful as
a figurative verb, though it's now more likely to suggest aggression
than irritation. Thomas Carlyle, in an 1858 essay on Sir Walter Scott,
wrote, "No man lives without jostling and being jostled, in all ways he
has to elbow himself through the world, giving and receiving
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people in a hurry continue to elbow their way through crowds, and hockey
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Subject: Re: March List
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 10:22 PM EDT
From: SaritaN
Message-id: <1998040702224900.WAA22231@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol - Thanks for the Randy Wayne White info! Can't wait to start this new
series.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARY CORAL! Also many thanks to Cheri for providing the
birthday list!
Take Care,
Sarita in WI
"Too much of a good thing is wonderful"
Mae West
Subject: Birthdays and more
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 10:35 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998040702350800.WAA24616@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Coral, hope the BD was spectacular. You did say it's your 21st, right?
Cheef and Deb, may your birthdays tomorrow be the best you've ever had.
(By the way, where is our Nitnee with her confetti? It's not often that we
have three birthdays in two days.)
Mispronunciaton: i've been reading your comments about mispronuciations on
audio tapes and I've been nodding my head in agreement. Why aren't names
written phonetically so the readers can say the words correctly. Even worse,
recently, I was at an author's seminar but the person who introduced the
author did NOT do her homework. She mispronounced the author's name and the
name of the
book. It was embarrasing to be even sitting in the audience. I cringed. The
author is the editor of THe Paris Review and is a well-regarded author as
well. Her name is Patricia Storace (stor' iss) but was introduced incorrectly
(stor' itch). Even worse was the gaffe made on the name of her book Dinner
with Persephone. The emcee pronounced Per sef' o nee as Pers e phone'.
Yikes, and this was in front of a
group of Greek women.
I know strangely spelled words trip up folks. At another time, I've heard
Holden Caulfield's little sister Phoebe pronounced FOBE but that was done by
a high school student, and I heard Penelope pronounced to rhyme with
antelope. My favorite however, was someone speaking about a 'place-bow'
being given in place of the real medicine. It took a while to realize the
speaker meant 'placebo' (pla-see-bo).
My current book is Arranged Marriage by Chitra Divakaruni (author of Mistress
of Spices.) I am enjoyng it thoroughly.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Reading/MCMala
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 10:50 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040702503901.WAA27607@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy birthday, Mary Coral! Hope it was wonderful and I wish you a healthy
and gratifying year ahead. Good wishes to a good person.
After finishing Cider House and feeling disgruntled (I'm usually very
gruntled), I started Little Altars Everywhere last night. Then I went to
SuperCrown looking to get a very creative book at a discount: Play With Your
Food. They didn't have it so will go to Dutton's, my old standby. The book
shows how you can take fruits and vegetables and by buying funky shapes and
with a little snipping and strategic placement of cloves
or beans for eyes, you can make all kinds of hilarious animals and insects.
I thought it would be fun to have a dinner party and cover the table with
creatures. After they have served their entertainment purpose, I would then
eat them so the children in China wouldn't go to bed hungry.
While I was in the bookstore I saw Erica Jong's Inventing Memory in PB and
bought it. I remember how highly Nancy had recommended it. So while waiting
for a doctor appointment, I started that. I don't like to read two books at
once so will probably finish Altars and then Invent my Memory. See, Nancy,
you speak and I listen.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: More Info on Censored 98
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 10:52 PM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040702525600.WAA25048@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Project Censored Contact Information:
I post about Project Censored every year and probably remind everyone more
than once a year about the most outstanding magazine of investigative
journalism that is available today - CAQ or Covert Action Quarterly, which
has had three of their stories make the top ten two years in a row. However,
I have been negligent in posting information on how to contact these places
or look for them on the web.
Project Censored is a project of Sonoma University. It has a web site
(http://www.sonoma.edu/ProjectCensored/ ) where you can find some of this
year's stories and where you can also find monthly updates listing new
undercovered stories.
CAQ (Covert Action Quarterly) is a news magazine that is published every
other month. It is on the web at http://www.caq.com and a few of each issues
stories including the biggest story of the issue are on the web and archives
go back several years. However, the entire issue is not on the web. Also, the
magazine footnotes their articles with extensive source documentation and I
am not sure that the web articles do that.
The Project Censored Yearbook is available at most bookstores ($16.95)
though they sell out rather quickly and quite definitely at Powell's. I
recommend buying the yearbook instead of reading off the web because it is
full of much more than those top 25 stories. It also has information
including addresses, phone and fax numbers, and urls and e-mail addresses for
most of the major media AND alternative media. It also had wonderful contact
information on media watchdog groups and so on. It is truly a handbook for
those who are concerned about the media and its junkfood diet.
It includes updates on stories from past years and several wonderful
chapters on the media including Media Myths, Self-Censorship and the
Homogeneity of the Media Elite (with diagrams showing how much the media
power has been concentrated in the hands of a very few), Reviews of current
books on the media , censorship and the first amendment, a chapter about how
we now have less access to information by and about hte government and a
chapter on Junk
Food News of 1997. One of my favorite sections is a parody of how important
events such as the election of FDR or the suffragette marches for the vote
would be covered by Sam Donaldson, Cokie Roberts and Dan Rather, to name a
few. It's hysterical.
CAQ costs about 20/year to subscribe (it's almost $5 at the newstand and is
hard to find except at those tobacco/news stands that sell everything under
the sun or at Powell's-- unless you have a really good book store the only
way to get CAQ is through subscription.
Project Censored and CAQ are not mouthpieces of the Democratic Party. Their
number one story is highly critical of the Clinton administration's
arm-selling and subsidies of arms sales to other countries and a majority of
the stories are critical of adminstration policies. One story praises one of
the people on my personal top ten list of despicable people (Dick Armey).
HOW STORIES ARE SELECTED
"Selection of the 'most censored' stories of the year is a complex task
involving hundreds of people nationwide. This year, close to 1,000 nominated
stories were screened by Project Censored staff. The nominations came to us
from supporters all over the world. In addition, we, in coopoeration with the
Fata Center in Oakland, CAlifornia, monitored over 700
alternative/independent media sources, looking for important, under-covered
stories.
After the initial screening (we set aside purely op-ed and news stories not
fitting our October 15th annual cycles) we referred 610 stories to 65 faculty
and communicyt evaluators, using a standardized grading sheet to weight the
storiy for importance and credibility. The 160 highest-rated stories are
researched by Sonoma University students for levels of coverage inthe
mainstream press. The top fifty stories with the highest importance and
lowest
coverager levels are read by faculty and students, and in November the vote
is tallied.. Finally, the top 25 are ranked by national judges for their
national significance."
What is key to remember is that these stories are under-reported or sometimes
not reported at all in mainstram media and yet they are some of the most
important stories of the year in terms of their impact on ordinary people
like you and me. The death of Princess Diana is not as important to our
daily lives as the fact that Crest contains 3 known carcinogens or that 2
pounds of plutonium may have been dispersed over Chile and
Bolivia--contaminating
groundwater and produce shipped to America or that our blood supply may be
contaminated with Chagas' Disease and that it is not being screened for the
disease even though the median rate of at-risk donors was 1 in 340 in Red
Cross' own study. If these stories are not reported, how can citizens make
intelligent decisions?
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: More about pronunciation
Date: Mon, 06 April 1998 11:46 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998040703463301.XAA08141@ladder03.news.aol.com>
For a laugh, go to Fredonia and see how to get rid of pronunciation problems.
I thnk the cure is worse than the problem.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Hyperlinks to Project Censored
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 12:53 AM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040704534501.AAA18907@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Censored Stories of 1997
Project Censored MenuCovert Action Quarterly
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Re: Broadway
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 01:37 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998040705372701.BAA24644@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Leslie, I saw Titanic in June and loved it, great staging and costuming. I
might have been influenced somewhat because my friend's dil was a featured
cast member but I did enjoy it a lot!
Sue
Subject: Birthday parties
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 06:32 AM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998040710322601.GAA11163@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I do want to thank you all for the wonderful birthday party yesterday. I was
glad so many of you made such an effort to come from so many different places
across the USA. I know that your plane fares were exorbitant, but didn't we
have such a good time.
It was hard keeping Jackie and Carole #2 out of the Moon Pies--they had not
had some in so many years and were hungry for them. Oh, I think Mari Lu was a
part of that group, too.
Carol the Maniac and Nancy were a problem opening all those books you gave
me, and I think that I even heard Nancy muttering, "But it's from the
Strand," as one of you, I think it was you, Jayne, tried to lead her away
from the gift table along with Jan, who kept saying, "This is the South,
Nancy and Carol; there is no Strand in the South." Jo Anne gently took them
by the arm and mentioned all the new books she had noticed on theh Internet.
Judi held up the okra horsd'oeuvre, looking with a curled lip and disgust--I
think she had visions of a Southern Kelp, and she was joined a la Greek
chorus by Nance, Pat, Rita and Cheri, who was heard to have said, "Can you
believe she served OKRA?"
Leslie and Cissie along with Roe tried to convince you all that okra was a
food group in the South, but I also noticed the looks on the faces of Cheef,
Carole #1, Carolyn and Carolyn on Long Island as the Suthin gals talked. I
don't think you made believers of them, folks, and I was counting on you
fellow Southerners to do just that.
The rest of you from the West Coast, Carol, Lita, Gina and Sarita were so
welcome--I knew how far you had traveled. However, did you notice Gina--who
kept feeling that she needed to go to my computer and check out Booknook for
explicit references? She should not have worried--all the flagrantes who
flirt with what is not acceptable were at the party, and no one was going
near the computer but Gina.
All in all as birthday parties in the South go, it was a hit and I thank you
all for coming. I am sorry that the chocolate and the champagne ran out, but
I noticed that the okra was left intact.
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Happy birthday times 2
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 06:42 AM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998040710423001.GAA08666@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Happy birthday, Cheef. May you have many more and find other wonderful books
for the rest of this wonderful year.
Happy birthday, Deb. Enjoy your new car as it takes you further and further
afield looking for new books to read.
Birthday Cake Birthday Cake
I got you each a cake so that you would not have to fight over it. I do hope
you both have a wonderful day.
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Re: Wonderful Day
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 07:36 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040711374301.HAA11580@ladder01.news.aol.com>
LYNNE: it may not be too original, but first I attack those nasty dorsal
fins with my kitchen scissors. Then, once I can get a grip, I hold the fish
under running water spray, & work my thumbnail backwards down the body - the
scales just move off & down the drain/compactor, with very little flying
around. On some larger fish like whole salmon or trout, I find a serrated
knife rubbed in the firection of the scales - much finer on these fish -
does the same job. Works for me---- Glad you mentioned the angel fish - I
was not sure if it were edible.
Carol
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Cheef
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 07:43 AM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998040711434500.HAA11935@ladder01.news.aol.com>
and now it's your turn................
Happy Birthday,
may it be all
you wish it
to be.
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEB!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 07:49 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040711493401.HAA15276@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Da butcher, da baker, da candlestick maker,
We called to a meeting today -
It's da birthday of one of our favourite girls -
For D'Pinter we'll all say "HOORAY"!
Da butcher can cook wi' real class -
Da pheasant he'll put under glass -(hee hee)
He'll roast it & glaze,
He'll serve & amaze,
The seconds we'll just have to pass.
Da baker, he'll work on da cake,
Da best dat he'll ever make -
He'll fill it & ice it
A mountain, suffice it
To say, it makes strong women quake!
Now here comes da candlestick maker -
We hear he is great, he's no faker:
He's worked many a day
To create this array
Of fireworks, where we will take her.
So Deb, gear up for a good one,
A birthday that's great & so much fun -
With food that's unique,
Don't dare take a peek -
You'll think it's a grand prize that you've won!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEB!!!!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHEEF!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 07:55 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040711555301.HAA12793@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hail to the CheefWil & plan a sun dance,
Hail to the Cheef, it's her Birthday Pome -
Let's hoist a glass & wish her a good one,
Birthday, birthday - don't stay home!
Here comes a limo & a chauffeur,
Are you ready for some fun?
Put on the glitz & let's all go for
A party, a party - call everyone!
Who planned the menu & did the cooking?
Who baked the cake & brought it along?
Who wrapped the gifts & chilled those bottles?
Who wrote the special brithday song?
Sandy, Sandy - a new year is dandy!
Sandy, Sandy, you're sweet as before -
Keep your mirror & calendar handy -
You don't look another year more!
Blow the horns & beat the drujms now -
Light the candles - one, two, three -
Make a wish & close your eyes tight
Be as happy as you can be!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHEEFWIL!!!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: tHIS AND tHAT
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 08:00 AM EDT
From: NVLehman
Message-id: <1998040712003801.IAA13139@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol-- I try to make an interesting meal. Sometimes it leans more to the
Ashkenazic tradition and sometimes more to the Sephardic. Last year I made
brisket for instance. Making several types of Haroset is my signature.
Since I am not a bid fan of walnuts and much prefer almonds this is reflected
in the Harosets I choose. If you'd like a caouple of recipes I can e-mail
them.
Subject: PROBLEMS!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 08:10 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040712100001.IAA13822@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I am writing at a bit of a disadvantage for me today - minus my giant screen
& keyboard. For some reason, my Big MAC POOPED OUT ON ME - refusing to sign
on to anything last night. It is refusing authentication, & until I figure
out why, I am just grateful to have Petit Mac Laptop here so that I can stay
in touch - minus all of my wonderful favourite places which I didn't put here
- but thank goodness Book Nook is present. If a cleaning &
rebuilding of the desktop, & a running of Norton does not fix it - I am
stumped. More later. By then I may be begging for hyperlinks to all the
favourite places, if I should lose them. Nuts!
GINA: Is today the day? Praying for good news for you & your petit(e) one.
JUDI: I just finished a re-read of LITTLE ALTARS & YA YA - can't have one
without the other - & envy you reading them for the first time. I am in awe
of what & how Wells wrote. These two books are favourites of mine still.
Off to try to solve the puzzle of the ages -
The Maniac
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Happy Birthday Cheef
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 08:39 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998040712393401.IAA19169@ladder03.news.aol.com>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUUUU
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUUU
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO CHEEEFFFFFF
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUU
Have a wonderful Day!!
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Birthday parties
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 09:20 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998040713202601.JAA22607@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Coral, I was in Chicago and missed your birthday....and the great party
in Alabama. Double darn! Hope your year will be filled with great things.
A belated birthday wish to you!
While in Chicago I had the opportunity to meet Rickie122 and her DH who
hosted me to a night of theater where we saw their daughter perform in A
Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum. Delightful play, lovely
company and another confirmation that Booknookers are the very best people
and everyone should meet as many of them as they can!
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHEEF!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 10:31 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040714313300.KAA29886@ladder03.news.aol.com>
My word, your talents know no limit!!!!
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Birthdays
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 11:06 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040715064801.LAA00904@ladder01.news.aol.com>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
CHEEF
&
DEB
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading Bruised Fruit by Amy Ephron.
Subject: Re: Birthdays
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 11:17 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040715173101.LAA02062@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Best wishes go out on this glorious day in NJ to Deb and Cheef!!!
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Birthdays
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 11:37 AM EDT
From: Ratacheck
Message-id: <1998040715374201.LAA04317@ladder01.news.aol.com>
A happy healthy birthday to Cheef and Deb!!
Rita
Reading A Great Day for the Deadly by Haddam
Subject: Happy Birthday Deb
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 11:42 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998040715424800.LAA04878@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Deb:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUUUU
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUUU
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO DEEEBBB
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUU
Have a wonderful Day!!
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Deb
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 12:31 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040716313800.MAA13550@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday, Deb!!!
Hope yours is turning out as wonderful as mine.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Reading Binge
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 12:32 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998040716320801.MAA10638@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I'm back from Boston where both the business and the pleasure were great. I
will be resigning from my job when I return from my 2-week vacation next
Monday and starting my business soon thereafter. So, if any of you work for
companies that are looking for experiential team building, please let me
know!!! It will be so nice to do what I do best, but do it for ME!!!
DH said there was a message on the machine from the library that there are
books waiting for me!!! Yee-ha!
RuthAlice: I read the Sixteen Pleasures in anticipation of my trip to Boston
where I would be going with my friend to her book group where this book was
to be discussed. It was such a fun evening. The person in charge of the
refreshments went with the Italian theme, including foccacio bread, olive
spread, Italian wine and some lovely Italian cookies. I wish I could find a
book group here in Florida!
Diane in S. Florida
Reading Alias Grace
Subject: Re: Birthdays and more
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 01:02 PM EDT
From: CKoucky
Message-id: <1998040717021900.NAA14291@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cheef and Deb: HAPPY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY and many more.
Talking about pronunciation one of the funniest ones for us happened when we
were in the service. Thepeople next door were from Alabama and one evening
they asked us over for "bald" peanuts. I asked several times but still
didn't understand. You southern gals all know what it was. We Yankees (I'm
orig. from N.Y.) don't boil our peanuts or at least I had never had them. I
was unimpressed. Maybe goes on the shelf with okra.
Silverloc2: Sorry about that. I do get things mixed. Glad your Dad is
feeling better and can play golf.
Pat
reading Cold Mountain and Call it Sleep (on tape--excellent reader)
Subject: More birthday wishes
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 01:22 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998040717221700.NAA19578@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Whew! After that humdinger of a party yesterday (even with the okra
appetizers) for Mary Coral, I am not sure I am ready to take on another one
today. But then I would not want to miss a celebration for Deb and Cheef. So
here we go again - this is not helping my plan to lose weight what with all
of the goodies served at these parties. The BookNook group are sure great
cooks.
HAPPIEST OF HAPPY BIRTHDAYS TO CHEEF AND DEB.
Carol
Subject: More Birthdays!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 02:22 PM EDT
From: CLKMcG
Message-id: <1998040718223101.OAA24105@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday to youuu,
Happy Birthday to youuu,
Happy Birthday dear Cheefff!
Happy Birthday to youuu!
~Cheri~
"Woe be to him that reads but one book."
.....George Herbert 1593--1633
Subject: More Birthdays!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 02:24 PM EDT
From: CLKMcG
Message-id: <1998040718245401.OAA27524@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday to youuu,
Happy Birthday to youuu,
Happy Birthday Deb/dlpinter,
Happy Birthday to youuu!
~Cheri~
"Woe be to him that reads but one book."
.....George Herbert 1593--1633
Subject: Re: More Birthdays!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 02:43 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040718431501.OAA29928@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday to Deb and Cheef.
Hope your celebration is never-ending!
Cissie, relinquishing the birthday crown
Subject: Re: tHIS AND tHAT
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 03:06 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040719062101.PAA00187@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Oh yes!! I love to vary the Charoset - we used to invite a couple, one of
whom was allergic to nuts - that's what got me started. Now I just like the
variety. I will trade you, after I see yours!
XXX
Carol
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Reading Binge
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 03:08 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040719085901.PAA03721@ladder03.news.aol.com>
congratulations
DIANE!!!! Go baby, GO!!
A new job - MME PRESIDENT!
come & join our book group here on Marco - ha ha ha!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: 8000 Messages
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 03:13 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040719132201.PAA01261@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Wow - we are a prolific bunch! If the numbers are correct this may very well
be the 8000th message posted to this board.
Gina- many thanks again for taking us in while we were temporarily homeless.
As for the new format, which many of us were so upset over, this sure beats
deleted messages or rolloing back messages or folders that fill up after 500
messages.
Way to go Book Nookers. Always a pleasure to be here even if somedays one
needs to play ketchup!
Now waiting to hear from Gina that all is well with her.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Back Big!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 03:20 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040719201700.PAA05348@ladder03.news.aol.com>
JAYNE: Thanks for your kind offer of forwarding Hyperlinks - I will remember
in the future!
My Big Mac problem was not too big after all - 'we' just changed the modem
setting a little, & here I am! Whew! The laptop is great for travel, but I
wouldn't wanna live there! I am thankful that my computer guru was at home
today.
Aren't all these birthdays nice! I guess April isn't the cruelest month
after all! (as long as you aren't the one giving birth-:)
I finished YA YA for the second time last night, & just sat there savoring
it. It may have to be - along with LITTLE ALTARS - my favourites again for
1998 - these books really get to me big time.
For a change, I picked up - & had trouble putting down even at 1 a.m., GUILT
BY ASSOCIATION by Susan R Sloan. Methinks we have a winner here - I have not
yet read her earlier book, but this one, in spite of the subject matter
(assault) is a grabber.
I am off to a tennis meeting in Naples -
TTFN
The Marco Maniac, less manic now that the Big Mac is behaving
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Mary Coral
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 03:32 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998040719322401.PAA07112@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Coral,
Happy Birthday!
Hope it was wonderful for you.
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
Do not remove this Tagline under penalty of the law!
Subject: Birthday wishes
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 03:39 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998040719391200.PAA05065@ladder01.news.aol.com>
*****~Happy Birthday, Deb!~*****
*****~Happy Birthday, Cheef!~*****
Wishing you both a year of happiness and flowers!
*\//*/\\ / *\ // */ *\/**\\ /*
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
Do not remove this Tagline under penalty of the law!
Subject: Re: Shoutin'
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 04:03 PM EDT
From: Pbankos
Message-id: <1998040720041700.QAA11964@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu....thanks for the great link to the plethora of dictionaries on-line.
I immediately put it in Favorite Places and emailed the link to DH who will
love it even more than me and will want it in his Favorite Places as well.
The Linguistic Fun section is wonderful! I just get so excited when any of
you post hyperlinks that you enjoy....keep them coming!
Pam in Virginia
"Minds are like parachutes, they only function when open!"
- author unknown
Currently reading - Evening Class
by Maeve Binchy
Subject: Birthday Girls
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 04:30 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040720312500.QAA12972@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday to
CHEEF and DEB !
** Many Happy returns of the Day **
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Shoutin'
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 04:37 PM EDT
From: Pbankos
Message-id: <1998040720370901.QAA13872@ladder01.news.aol.com>
"Mari Lu....thanks for the great link to the plethora of dictionaries
on-line. I immediately put it in Favorite Places and emailed the link to DH
who will love it even more than me"
For those of you who thought, hmm...that is not grammatically correct, I
really did mean he would love it more than ME! LOL! We are celebrating 19
great years of marriage today, so I do not feel threatened by a hyperlink!!
Pam in Virginia
"Minds are like parachutes, they only function when open!"
- author unknown
Currently reading - Evening Class by Maeve Binchy
by Maeve Binchy
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 04:46 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998040720463401.QAA15336@ladder01.news.aol.com>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MARY CORAL! (a day late)
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I'll try to be on time next year.
Sorry that I missed the party. Sounds like it was lots of fun. Did you
dance on the table this time? I was getting my tax stuff ready.....tax man
came last night. Now, that's out of the way for another year.....BIG SIGH of
relief.
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There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Shoutin' Congratulations!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 04:58 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040720582000.QAA20417@ladder03.news.aol.com>
*4 * * * *PAM * * * @#*
Happy 19th Anniversary
to You and Your DH!
Roe<--whose DH loves sports more than me, but loves me quite enuff too!
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: March Book List
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 05:01 PM EDT
From: Ludsmith
Message-id: <1998040721013900.RAA17829@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Ok--mine is the shortest.
"Angela's Ashes." It was interesting, but depressing. What a mess of a dad!
Quite appropriate for St. Patrick's Day though.
April's list will be longer--I've already read 2 1/2 books and expect to read
at least two more (depends how long I can hibernate in the hospital, haha).
Shauna
Subject: Happy B'Day Cheef & Deb!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 05:07 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998040721071101.RAA18734@ladder01.news.aol.com>
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There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Happy 19th Anniversary, Pam
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 05:21 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998040721215600.RAA24231@ladder03.news.aol.com>
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Barbara (reading A Big Storm Knocked it Over--Laurie Colwin)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Super-Slow Reading
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 05:22 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040721223200.RAA21212@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jackie,
Thanks. So far behind in responding to so many wonderful ideas again, but
feel compelled to tell you how much your post and excerpts affirmed my
thoughts. While reading a novel which is intriguing, hypnotically beautiful,
complicated, or just downright mind-boggling, I c r e e p a l on g a
t a s n a i l ' s p a c e to savor the words or internalize the
thoughts which can be so meaningful and personally satisfying. Rereading, or
pausing in wonder, while reading initially is a frequent tactic, and often it
doesn't even seem important to get to the end of the book. Cold Mountain,
The English Patient, Jude the Obscure, and Beloved come to mind. Slow
reading is as potentially erotic and satisfying as really good slow dancing,
and the extraneous stimuli, appreciated. IMO
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 05:28 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998040721283400.RAA22242@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Leslie,
I LOVED Ragtime! It was really one of my favorites last year, and definitely
my DH's favorite! It had energy to spare when we saw it! It was tons better
than the movie! If I had a chance to see Cabaret, I'd definitely grab it
too!
I want to get tickets for Chicago. Anyone seen it? Comments?
Barbara (reading A Big Storm Knocked it Over--Laurie Colwin)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Recipes and books
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 06:15 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998040722153701.SAA00178@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Judi -- PLAY WITH YOUR FOOD was a huge seller for a while at "my" bookstore.
The illustrations are wonderful, the ideas creative.
Passover -- I am not Jewish, but I remember some of you discussing Passover
menus. Our newspaper listed some Net sites you might want to check out.
Great Passover Recipes and Steven Spielberg's Matzah Brei recipe can be found
at: http://www.shamash.org/jfl/food/holidays.htm. For traditional and
non-traditional foods to serve during Passover, go to
http://www.holidays.net/passover/recipes.htm. For breakfast during Passover,
there's the Kosher
Express site,
http://www.marketnet.com/mktnet/kosher/recipes/passover.break.html. For
additional Passover links, go to
http://www.sk.sympatico.ca/Features/Passover/links.html.
Carol, you Maniac you... as always, your POMES are such fun to read! What
RIMING talent, what creative juices doth flow from your fingers. Brava!
Sally, reading my first Agatha Raisin cozy mystery... this one is due out in
a few months and is called AGATHA RAISIN AND THE WELLSPRING OF DEATH. Agatha,
a feisty 50-something PR person living in the Cotswolds, seems to be a
tougher version of what's-her-name from Murder She Wrote. Stay tuned...
Miss Sally in NJ
Do not remove this Tagline under penalty of the law!
Subject: Re: Happy B'Day Cheef & Deb!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 06:23 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040722231300.SAA04660@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I cannot tell you what the cakes, the confetti, the cards, the bookmarks, the
poetry and all the good wishes did to make this one of the best birthdays
ever. This is a wonderful place to be. Remember, the song from Cheers?
"Sometimes you have to go, where everybody knows your name. And it's always
just the same" Sort of describes the Book Nook.
Thank you all!!!!
from a very humble (just today, RuthAlice.),
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Shoutin'
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 06:43 PM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998040722433500.SAA08160@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Merry Anniversary to you and DH, Pam! Hope the day and night are wonderful!
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Re: Shoutin'
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 06:45 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998040722454200.SAA08515@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dear Pam:
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!
TO YOU AND YOUR ROOMIE!!!!
I FIND IT A GREAT INSTITUION!!!!
GLAD YOUR INVOLVED WITH US ALL.
WELCOME TO BOOK NOOK PLACE
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Many thanks to all of you
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 06:47 PM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998040722472000.SAA05699@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I want to echo what Cheef said. All of your notes, poems, cards, etc, made
my birthday. And the party was wonderful. Hope you all learn to eat okra
before next year. I'm thinking of an OKRA cake with chocolate icing--whadda
ya think?
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Re: Many thanks to all of you
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 07:10 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040723102801.TAA09818@ladder01.news.aol.com>
MARY CORAL--<<I'm thinking of an OKRA cake with chocolate icing--whadda ya
think?>> Yuck--Only if it's made of cornmeal with catfish in between the
layers!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHEEF AND DEB!
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Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Many thanks to all of you
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 07:27 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040723272201.TAA13032@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dang it, Mary Coral, I was going to bring my special chocolate-dipped
okra-marzipan coconut macaroons. (Psssst!!! Do you ladies think that is
nauseating enough, or should I try harder.)
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Cheef
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 07:31 PM EDT
From: Dixie80
Message-id: <1998040723315800.TAA16973@ladder03.news.aol.com>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
CHEEF
AND
DEB!!!
Carole #2 in the Adirondacks
"If you can imagine it,
You can achieve it.
If you can dream it,
You can become it."
-William Arthur Ward
Subject: Re: More about pronunciation
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 07:50 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040723501800.TAA17362@ladder01.news.aol.com>
When I was in high school we read My Antonia in an English class and a girl
named Betsy Canary (please, God, don't let her be a BNer!) gave a report in
front of the class and mispronounced the name of a character; his name was
Otto Fuchs. Being the mature high school students we were (I'm not much
better in my dotage), we lost it and poor Betsy was clueless about our
hilarity. I think the teacher may have been, too.
Judi Fobe Perse-phone Booknooker, the epi-tome of correct pronunciation
Subject: Mispronounced words
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 07:51 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040723510500.TAA17509@ladder01.news.aol.com>
JAN--I recently went looking for a pair of coffee carafes in Macy's where
they have all those lovely things. I couldn't find any, so I asked the
salesgirl, when I finally found one, where they kept the carafes. "Oh, you
mean the carafays?" she said. I guess that's what happens when you live in a
city which is one fifth Hispanic. She
pronounced it as though it were a Spanish word. Of course, like the good
teacher I am, I explained to her that this was a French word and was not
pronounced "carafay." Still, that wasn't as bad as mispronouncing a person's
name and the name of her book to her face.
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Greetings from LALA Land
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 08:11 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040800114300.UAA21334@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cheef and Deb, the happiest of happy birthdays. May your coming year(s) be
filled with fun, friends, books, good health and love--in any order you
prefer.
Happy 19th to Pam--amost a fifth of a century!
Mary Coral, LOL at the description of your party. I am insulted, however,
that not one person deigned to nibble one of my mouthwatering (as in, spit it
out) Okra Delights (that's the oxymoron of the day). If you want some really
tasty food ideas, check out the cooking folder down below--anyone up for a
lard sandwich?
Finished Little Altars this morning as I lay in bed nursing my exploding
sinuses. Wonderful book that reminded me obliquely of The Sound and the
Fury--in that the white adults were hopelessly messed up and the blacks, like
Dilsie in TSATF, "endured." I adore Southern fiction and I can't quite
figure out why. Are the characters quirkier? Will read YaYa now for the
continuity, then on to Nancy's rec: Inventing
Memory.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Many thanks to all of you
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 08:20 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998040800204100.UAA26155@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<I'm thinking of an OKRA cake with chocolate icing->> I say GO FOR IT! Is
it something like carrot cake -- or zucchini cake?
And Mary Coral--Where were the Goo Goo bars at your party? Did I miss them?
That is one thing I look for when i go back south. We finally can get them
here from the newly opened Cracker Barrel! So I can journey home in my head
anytime now.
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Play With Your Food
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 08:26 PM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998040800261001.UAA27190@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judi---I love this book!!! (PLAY WITH YOUR FOOD) When I get bored at work I
get it out & put it on the counter. I never fail to sell one!
Thanks everybody for B'way play tips. We saw Chicago & Titanic last year, so
they're out of the running. After seeing Titanic the movie, I realized how
much more I liked Titanic the play.I think one of our group has already seen
Jeklyy & Hyde, so she probably won't want to go again.
What is charoset? she asks, sheepishly.
Happy B days to Cheef & Deb
Happy Anni to Pam
I bought THESE IS MY WORDS at work today. Everybody raved over the cover.
Can't wait to dive into it. I may even start it before I finish Holding Out,
which I'm finding funny & tres risque & full of S-E-X. Have you all heard
about this book? Based on Lysistrata story, & written by a woman from Lookout
Mtn., TN (where a lot of my cousins live). She even uses one of their last
names, can't wait
to find out if they know her!
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Misc.
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 08:26 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998040800261400.UAA24094@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cissie: Just got notified that The Sweet Hereafter is waiting for me at the
library! So I'll go with your ** exceptional rating and read it after Alias
Grace. And Cissie...we must have the same taste in books...I loved All Over
But the Shoutin'.]
]Diane in S. Florida
Reading Alias Grace
Subject: Thanks All
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 09:50 PM EDT
From: Dlpinter
Message-id: <1998040801502000.VAA10855@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thank you all for the wonderful birthday greetings. And Mari Lu- thanks for
the virtual flowers.
I haven't posted in a long time although I have been here everyday lurking.
Everyone seems to express into words better then I can about all the topics
discussed. I've agreed and applauded alot of people views and opinions and
sometimes disagreed. But I enjoy and read each and every comment. I also wish
all the best for those that are going through tough times (be it illness,
family problems or loss of loved ones, ect.) I also cheer for those having
great medical successes, new jobs, pregnancies, birthdays, ect. So even if
I'm not vocal, I've been here celebrating and sympathizing with all of you.
I never even listed my monthly reads- it seems as If I put down more than
I've finished. Guess I've been in kind of a reading slump, actually, I've
been doing alot of cross stitching which takes up tons of time. But to me it
is relaxing. Have read a couple of Barbara Delinsky and another romance.
Right now I'm trying to read Road to Wellville but it's not holding my
interest either.
Did stop at Barnes and Nobles (of course what else would one do on her
birthday?) and with The Maniac's recommendation, picked up Sanibel Flats and
Heat Islands. I love anything to do with Florida and can't wait till we move
there in 2 years. Sanibel is one of my all time favorite places, so I thought
these would be interesting.
Well, this is long- winded! Just wanted to thank all for the birthday
greetings and let you know I'm still here enjoying all of you.
DEB in OHIO (A Positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort)---Herm Albright
Subject: Re: More about pronunciation
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 09:52 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040801524600.VAA14357@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Well, I hope this doesn't get me bounced, but my best friend, Lana, of all my
high school years, distinguished herself in Sophomore Biology with her oral
report on the octopus, "who has eight testicles with suckers on the
underneath." She went on at great length, totally puzzled as to why we were
all helpless with laughter and the teacher had tears running down his cheeks.
Among the things she pointed out was that the octopus seized its prey in
its testicles and then squeezed it to death.
And then there was my friend who made a poster advertizing the FHA "Carnal
Apple Sale."
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Greetings
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 09:54 PM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998040801541100.VAA14683@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy birthday to our two today, Deb and Cheef and congrats to you, Pam, on
your anniversary! I'm waiting for your address!!!
While in Chicago I spent two nights dining with incredibly bright and
informed people, reporters and editors, from both the Sun Times and the Trib.
Thanks to Booknook I felt well versed on many of the topics, especially every
conceivable arguement regarding gun control and Jonesboro!
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: Bookstock 98'
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 10:13 PM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998040802135301.WAA15498@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Time for another reminder about Bookstock even though I've never scanned
pictures for RuthAlice to put on the web site.
Bookstock 98' is our national convention of Booknookers and rooms are being
held at the Landmark Inn in Marquette, Michigan on the southern shores of
Lake Superior in the very beautiful Upper Peninsula.
The dates are August 6-9 and so far about 20 people have expressed an
interest in attending. There is a campground within the city limits which at
least two of our group have opted to use.
Please e-mail me with any questions regarding Bookstock. The Landmark does
have a web site and I will get the address for you all and post it soon.
Many serious issues will be discussed and decided during these few days
together so it's important for you all to be here in August!
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Deb & Cheef
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 11:01 PM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998040803010500.XAA24885@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Happy birthday, Deb!
Happy birthday, Cheef!
May you both enjoy very special days in your honor!
Carolyn on LI
Subject: Happy Anniversary!
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 11:07 PM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998040803071601.XAA29178@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Well, Pam in Virginia, HAPPY ANNIVERSARY! and many, many more!
Carolyn on Long Island
Subject: Late Post
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 11:27 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040803275101.XAA29803@ladder01.news.aol.com>
PAM: Happy Anniversary! Keep up the tradition - many more.
I am laughing myself silly at the names, words - mispronounced - & misused.
My Mom is famous for addressing one of my sister's bosses (who, she was sure,
had changed his name[he had]} - he was known as Percy Lipsett - Mom said,
"Hello Mr. Lifschitz." My sister died a thousand deaths - & he said: "How
did you know my REAL name?" I merely plutzed.
In my last year of high school German, everyone who had to translate "Go for
a walk.." would read ahead madly & ask to be excused rather than have to say
aloud, "Eine Fahrt Machen." The two native Germans in the class of 5 could
not figure out the joke.
Truth is funnier than fiction: last one, I promise - I had a cousin In New
Jersey whose maiden name was Henrietta Lifschitz (another one) - she got
married to----Bob Schatzberg. Poor girl - could not escape it.
My favourite student name was a little girl known as Faegi Himmelfarb - I
dunno - it always cracked me up.
I get a kick out of writing the Birthday Pomes - I know how bad some of them
are rhyme-wise, but it tickles me to write to & about some people I have
never met.(yet) I may not mention it every time, but I also appreciate your
kind words (even if you do fib a little). Just remember - if you keep
encouraging me like this I may never quit.
Practise the fine art of scrolling.
I must go bury myself in some more of Susan Sloan's 'relaxing' book - here's
to nightmares!
The Maniac retires for the night
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Bookstock 98'
Date: Tue, 07 April 1998 11:49 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998040803493400.XAA03825@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sue:
1. If we are to discuss serious issues I would like a one through ten in
order of importance so I can do my homework.
2. Since I am coming a few days early do I get to help you set up the topics
of serious issue?
3. I was under the impression I was to plan entertainment and games. Plus
drinking times and happy hour and bed check. Oh, and when and what we eat for
example Okra and maybe some southern corn bread prepared and shipped by Roe
and Leslie.
4. Jan/vox Mom can read to us a nice sweet novel. Marilu can read us the
dictionary. Ruth Alice can define her lectures an binge reading requirements
to us all.
I am tooo tired to go into more detail right now but looking forward to Book
Nook and hope everyone can make it. Meeting Book Nookers is the best
fun!!!!!!!
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 12:31 AM EDT
From: JaneE2059
Message-id: <1998040804310001.AAA10882@ladder01.news.aol.com>
*******HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MARY CORAL (belated)********
*******HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEB***********
*******HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CHEEF*********
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Subject: Happy Anniversary
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 12:35 AM EDT
From: JaneE2059
Message-id: <1998040804353801.AAA11588@ladder01.news.aol.com>
*********HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO PAM AND HER DH!*****
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
JaneE2059
Subject: Re: More about pronunciation
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 02:03 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040806031301.CAA25768@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Ok, I'll jump into this fray. While a freshman at Ohio University, I took
physical anthropology. A deadly bore. The professor was German, and spent
the entire quarter talking about apes, monkeys and "or-on-oo(ew)-tongs". I
had no clue what she was talking about....what is this strange thing, and
"or-on-oo-tong"? I did finally open the book the night before the midterm,
where, much to my surprise, I realized she was talking about orangutangs!
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner and listening to Downtown by Anne
Rivers Siddons. (And loving both!)
Subject: Re: Birthday parties
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 02:38 AM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040806384000.CAA25854@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mary Coral... LOL and I was trying to be so descrete about my computer
addiction!
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Cheef
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 02:50 AM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040806503001.CAA26776@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday
Cheef!
I could never TOS you on your birthday!
;)
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Deb
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 02:52 AM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040806525401.CAA00167@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday
Deb
it's still your birthday in Seattle!
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Shoutin'
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 02:54 AM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040806543401.CAA27074@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Happy Anniversary
Pam and DH!
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Update on me and baby
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 03:05 AM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040807055100.DAA27896@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi Folks,
Thanks to everyone who remembered today was my dr. appt. and I apologize for
keeping you waiting.... Today was chaos.
The Dr. says everything is looking good. We were able to hear the baby's
heartbeat and it seems to be growing normally. I am free to return to normal
life but no lifting or strenuous exercise. Yippee! She also gave me
permission to drive to CA for my brother's wedding (something that she would
not do until today)
After that appt. I came home to a school crisis that took up the rest of the
day.. and then spent all evening at a school board meeting. Sometimes I'd
just like to lock them all in a closet until they see reason!!!!! (I'm sure
they feel the same about me)
Anyway, now I'm home and trying to wind down. I'm leaving for CA on
Thursday. If you have any questions for me between the 9th and the 19th
could you please put my name in the subject line so that I know to read that
post? I will be checking the board but I don't know if I'll have time to
read every message every day. And of course, if you need immediate help you
can e-mail Tracey at ThopeB.
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: More about pronunciation
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 07:55 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040811553501.HAA14353@ladder03.news.aol.com>
oooh. Poor Betsy Canary! That would have happened to me!
Diane -- Alias Grace is next up in the batting order. Just as soon as I
finish "Short History of a Prince" which is wonderful. I love the main
character, a 38-year old gay man who fell short of his dream of becoming a
ballerina and has decided to teach HS English in Oteen, Wisconsin. He's
funny, acerbic, insightful, and troubled!
Gina -- GREAT NEWS! Take care of yourself -- and your baby!
Cissie
Subject: Re: Gina
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 09:07 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998040813074401.JAA20306@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thanks for the good news Gina, have fun in Ca. No lifting, mmm? More good
news. I had a friend who told her husband that pregnant women couldn't
vacumn and he believed it thru three pregnancies!
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: Update on me and baby
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 09:10 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998040813105700.JAA20613@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dear Gina:
The news of you and the baby okay is the best news of the day. Have a good
time at your brother's wedding and drive carefully.
Talk to you when you get back.
fond regards,
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Cheef
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 09:41 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040813415701.JAA20485@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thank you, Gina. This is an example of why you are such a great hostess.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Update on me and baby
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 09:43 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040813434300.JAA20678@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Good news, Gina. Enjoy the wedding and don't dance too strenuously.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Update on me and baby
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 10:02 AM EDT
From: CKoucky
Message-id: <1998040814022100.KAA25729@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Gina: So glad you had good news. have fun at the wedding. We'll be
thinking of you.
Carol: Keep up with pomes.
Pam: HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!
Still trying to get caught up.
Pat
Reading Cold Mountain--quite slowly. Was this discussed here when i was
away. Would love to read the comments on this.
Subject: Wednesday and all that means.
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 10:26 AM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998040814262600.KAA25314@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Gina, great news. I am glad that everything is going so well with you that
you can go to your brother's wedding. It must be a load off your mind. Too
bad you had to go to that Yucchy board meeting instead of going somewhere to
celebrate. Glad you can celebrate it with us.
I am glad to say that I am obviously winning you all over the the okra side
of the street. RuthAlice sent me some virtual okra and I have put it in to
my virtual freezer for next year's cake. And Jackie, I will also think of
something creative to do with the Goo Goo Clusters. Loved Mari Lu's
suggestion of the layer of catfish and cornmeal ( you do mean fried, don't
you, Mary Lu?) and Cheef's suggestion of the marzipan? Judi--I did see the
lard
sandwiches on the food board, but I will definitely have them next year.
I know that all of you have secret yearnings for foods, so just bring them to
me and I will be sure they are on the menu next year. Judi--Lard with kelp?
Reading The Wonder Worker by Susan Howatch . Went to the library and got
Isle of Joy by Franklin Daugherty, (I'll soon be able to respond, RuthAlice),
Cloud Chamber by Michael Dorris, The Antelope Wife by Louise Erdrich and The
lighthouse at the end of the world by Stephen Marlowe. And I have to read
All Over But the Shouting for ftf. Maybe I can get it all done when a go to
the beach for a solitary trip next week.
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Re: Cheef
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 10:33 AM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040814330701.KAA29154@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<Thank you, Gina. This is an example of why you are such a great hostess.
Cheef>>
Actually I want to clarify that the octopus story was not a TOSable issue. I
haven't found any rules against using proper names for body parts... although
it's stretching this a bit since it wasn't the proper name for the octopus
parts! I woke my husband up to tell him that story! LOL
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Gina
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 11:05 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998040815054601.LAA02964@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Gina,
I'm so glad to hear the GREAT NEWS! I know from too much experience how
trying the waiting is....but poor you...no lifting? How will you survive????
Have fun at your brother's wedding. You have a lot to celebrate.
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner and listening to Downtown by Anne
Rivers Siddons. (And loving both!)
Subject: Good News
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 12:42 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040816423200.MAA14551@ladder03.news.aol.com>
GINA: good news - have a good trip & take care of you-all. That's an order.
MARY CORAL: Never thought I'd see the day - but at the Southern Pig-Out I
went to a few weeks ago, I tasted & liked (a lot) pickled okra - no kidding!
Now I'm going to have to buy some.
Hey - 17 days until New York - but who's counting? (me)
Off to maintain my ravishing (ravished?) blonde tresses.
I am so excited - had a mid-morning visit from our builder who asked: #1 -
if he could put his sign on our lot - YES!!! That means progress. Then I
dared to ask - when? I was very surprised to hear him say - they should be
working on clearing & filling the lot mid-May, & that we should see
structural things happening in June - Yay yay & yay. I'll still believe it
when I see it - all this, if the river don't rise, Agnes.
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Good News
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 01:11 PM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998040817114501.NAA15043@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol--good news about your breaking ground for your new home--we share your
excitement, and Leslie and I and a few other Booknookers will be looking
forward to visiting you in your new digs, say next winter? Yeah, yeah, I
know, come to see me really doesn't mean that in the South.
I do have a recipe for pickled okra somewhere--just brine water and a few
peppers for flavor. But if you have a Sam's, you might check there. They
have it up here in big 2-quart jars. We sometimes serve them with martinis.
You can do it with your tennis friends, and they will think you a wonder.
Glad you like them. (One convert--200 to go!)
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Re: More about pronunciation
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 01:13 PM EDT
From: TDanks777
Message-id: <1998040817130900.NAA18294@ladder03.news.aol.com>
CHEEF: You wrote: "my best friend, Lana, of all my high school years,
distinguished herself in Sophomore Biology with her oral report on the
octopus, "who has eight testicles with suckers on the underneath."
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
Happy Birthday, BTW...
Terri--reading The Zone and Wait Till Next Year
Subject: Re: Good News
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 01:54 PM EDT
From: Pbankos
Message-id: <1998040817545700.NAA20505@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol....I believe I missed out on all the previous talk on okra. I saw your
mention of pickled (dill) okra and that you liked it. So do I...in fact in
past years I have pickled many a jar of my own. DH has not planted okra in
our garden in the last couple of years (although I plan to ask him to plant
it this year again). So, I started pickling green beans in the same manner.
Chilled in the fridge to make ultra crispy....they are delicious.
Email your address and I will send you a jar! I think you will like them.
Pam in Virginia
"Minds are like parachutes, they only function when open!"
- author unknown
Currently reading - Evening Class by Maeve Binchy
Subject: Chicago
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 02:28 PM EDT
From: Rickie122
Message-id: <1998040818280900.OAA28020@ladder03.news.aol.com>
As Sue(Gazebo316) posted earlier, we got to meet her for an evening of
theater in Chicago this last weekend. Many of you have met her already and
you already know this, but she is delightful and charming, and it was so neat
to meet a Booknook person f2f for the first time! We had a drink in a lounge
on the 15th floor of a Holiday Inn -- beautiful setting with all the lights
of Chicago below us.
I am really looking forward to Bookstock98 so that I can meet more of you
lovely folk.
RuthAlice -- I finished Critical Care. I thought it was brilliant in places
and annoying in others--especially the characterizations of Werner and
Felicity.But I'm glad I read it. It's funny but without your recommendation I
never would have picked it up -- the cover art (I got it from the library
in paperback) and cover copy would turn me off!
Rickie in MI, currently reading an anthology of mostly newly discovered
stories by Shirley Jackson...
Woman's virtue is man's greatest invention.
- Cornelia Otis Skinner
Subject: Re: Update on me and baby
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 03:02 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040819022100.PAA02901@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Gina--I couldn't be happier or more relieved about your baby/mama update.
Wonderful news! Hope the trip is not too hard on you. Your OB didn't say
you couldn't dance at the wedding, did she? Have a great time (but hurry
back b/c we'll miss you).
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Names I hated to pronounce
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 03:06 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040819061400.PAA00272@ladder01.news.aol.com>
When I was teaching college English I used to get the rosters before the
first day of classes. In an ESL class I saw I had a student named Phuc Cun.
Gulp. At the first class I was calling the role and when I came to his name
I said, "I'm not quite sure how to pronounce this name: it's spelled
P-H-U-C," and with that he answered, "Michael."
Obviously, someone had clued him in shortly after he got to America.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Update on me and baby
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 03:15 PM EDT
From: Ratacheck
Message-id: <1998040819152500.PAA04862@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Gina, this is grand news!! So happy for you -- our 20 year old "baby" flies
in today from his Easter break. Can't wait.
Rita
Subject: stuff
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 03:21 PM EDT
From: Mibenjori
Message-id: <1998040819210501.PAA05717@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I have been having so much trouble getting on line or I should say staying on
line that I haven't had a chance to even try to catch up on posts....but I
did want to post these greetings.........
Belated Birthday Wishes to:
Mary Coral (4/6)
Cheef (4/7)
Deb (4/7)
I had all good intentions of posting these wishes on time but the powers to
be of aol prevented me from doing so. Hope you all had wonderful birthdays
and received plenty of good books :) and a lot of delicious birthday
cake....yummmmmmmm!
Just in case anything else happens to keep me from getting on line...
Happy Birthday (a little early) to:
RuthAlice (4/15)
hope you have a wonderful day......
Paula...currently reading GENESIS CODE and turning the pages as fast as I
can.....
Paula
It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it
and remove all doubt.
(author unknown)
Subject: This & That
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 03:20 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998040819212201.PAA02599@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Good morning nookers - it's a gorgeous day here in Southern California - at
last. I'm home with a little virus of some sort but thinking about Easter
while I'm at it. The Times had a recipe for an asparagus salad that sounds
good and different. I'll do a ham in port wine with dried fruits that's
pretty to look at - but what for potatoes? For some reason scalloped
potatoes appeal to me but
they might be too rich and gooey with the ham. Maybe just oven roasted in
garlic and herbs - that's probably better.
Lita - I'd love to meet Mari Lu on the 21st, although I think once again
that's a day full of activity. We may have a graduation that day and DD may
hear about the bar exam that day. I've noticed that certain days attract
activities - the 21st of May looks like one of them. Evening would be best
for me, although late afternoon would be OK.
I'm still reading Isle of Joy and getting an insight into an Alabama I didn't
know existed. Very, very amusing book. I'll be curious to hear what Mary
Coral thinks of it.
I watched South Pacific last night on AMC - didn't realize that was a very
young France Nuyen playing Liat. I wonder if she was Vietnamese and Nuyen
was originally spelled Nguyen? Especially with France as a first name. The
movie was more wonderful than I remembered. Some Enchanted Evening is the
most romantic song.
Back to the Easter menu -
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: holiday greetings
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 03:23 PM EDT
From: Mibenjori
Message-id: <1998040819235200.PAA02980@ladder01.news.aol.com>
HAPPY EASTER
HAPPY PASSOVER
HAPPY SPRING
HAPPY, HAPPY EVERYTHING!!!!!!
Paula
It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it
and remove all doubt.
(author unknown)
Subject: Re: Update on me and baby
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 04:08 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998040820090901.QAA10016@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Your OB didn't say you couldn't dance at the wedding, did she?>>
No dancing..unfortunataly. Oh well.
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Reading/MCMala
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 04:24 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040820242901.QAA12428@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Judi-did you hear me laughing when I read what you wrote:
<<So while waiting for a doctor appointment, I started that. I don't like to
read two books at once so will probably finish Altars and then Invent my
Memory. See, Nancy, you speak and I listen.>>
I wish everybody felt the same way.
Altars and Inevnting Memory were two books that made my top ten lists. I
thoroughly enjoyed both of them although for obvious reasons I related more
to Jong's book.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Birthday parties
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 04:27 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040820270700.QAA16006@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Coral- you wrote<<This is the South, Nancy and Carol; there is no Strand
in the South."
Guess what - the Strand is only in New York City. They now have two stores
but I've only
been to the original. What can I say- I'm a traditionalist.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: To Diane
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 04:34 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040820342401.QAA17167@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Diane-
Just read your message and wanted to offer my congratulations on your new
position, as Carol said Mme President.
We have a friend who began a business which was similar to this a number of
years ago. She then met a man who was also doing this and they became
partners. He was already divorced and then she got a divorce and just thsi
past winter she married her partner. Maybe thats not such a good story to
tell you after all. LOL
The very best to you but a word to the wise- do it alone.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Back Big!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 04:40 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040820403001.QAA18149@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol- Gulit by Association is Susan Sloan's first book. I think you were
referring to her new book Isolated Incident.
Funny that you mentioned Guilt today. I ran home from work to grab lunch and
was almost finished with The Horse Whisperer. I was so clutched that I
wouldn't have something to read (how can I say this when I have a shopping
bag full of good titles from the library) that I ran to the book closet and
found Guilt. Previously ermember ing how much Nancy from PA enjoyed this
title, I hunted it down within the closet for a soon to be read. Now that I
know that you're reading it, you have made up my mind to read it also.
Something tells me you've already finished this one by now.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 04:44 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040820443100.QAA18796@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Barbara - we saw Chicago in January with Bebe Neuwirth and Marilu Henner.
The plot is really nothing with nothing but the dancing and songs are
glorious. I woudl suggest seeing it probably dpeneding on who has the two
female leads. Although the coreography by Anne Reinking has been redone from
the orginal show, the last number is the original dance routine from Bob
Fosse-----and all that jazz!!!!
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Recipes and books
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 04:47 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040820473001.QAA16185@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sally - you wrote
<<Steven Spielberg's Matzah Brei recipe>>
Didn't you know he got it from moi. ROTFL!!!!
Thanks for the addresses but we won't be eating any matza brei in our house.
Wanna know why? I'm seeing a nutritionuist and without her even telling me, I
know that this is a no-no. If my famiyl wants it, they can prepare it for
themlseves. Now, ain't I cruel???? Better yet they can go to Nina's house
on Saturday morning.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Update on me and baby
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 04:54 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040820545201.QAA17345@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Great New Gina- enjoy your brother's wedding and California. Hurry back to
us.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Good News
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 04:58 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040820585201.QAA18000@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol and Smart Alex - I'm saying this softly - best of luck on the ground
breaking!!! One of these days .....
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Holiday Greetings!!!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 05:03 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040821035601.RAA18803@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Although I'm sure I'll be here between now and Friday and now and Sunday I
wanted to wish everyone here the best of holidays no matter what you
celebrate.
Passover has always been my favorite holiday and I look forward to our Seder
(thankfully at my cousin's house). We are somewhat scattered for this Seder
but will be altogether next Sunday for the fourth generation's oldest
cousin's engagement party.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: A Little Late With My Response!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 05:10 PM EDT
From: CATZERS
Message-id: <1998040821102401.RAA19890@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sometimes takes me a while to respond but couldn't pass this one up~
<<Subject: bliss and Nancy Drew
Date: Sun, Mar 29, 1998 08:48 EST
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998032913484600.IAA21307@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Last night, as I was preparing to settle in with a new book by an author I
liked, I realized something. Sure, I was happy, but never, in all my years
of reading, have I experienced the sheer reading contentment I felt as a
child with a five cent box of jujubees and a brand new Nancy Drew or Dana
Girls, or Trixie Belden. That was a wonderful feelings, and it took me all
these years to realize I have never recaptured it, no matter if I am reading
a
book by a favorite author or re reading a special book. The only time it
ever came close was when I was in college. During the summer, no matter what
I read for commuting reading, I would come home at night, make a glass of
White Rose Reddi Tea, and read twenty pages of GWTW. I did that every year
in the summer, and may do it this summer as well.>>
This post inspired quite a bit of reminiscing. I could picture hot summer
days (before even window air conditioners were widely used) with the windows
about 1/3 the way up but the curtains and blinds drawn. There I was, about
10 years old, sprawled across a big armchair with a Coca-Cola bottle, straw
bobbing inside, on the table next to me and my nose stuck in a Nancy Drew
mystery. The Secret of the Old Clock
was one of my favorites. I remember thinking "Wow! I have to let my cousin
borrow this when I'm done--she'll love it."
I know what part of the fascination was, for me at least. I didn't have a
very close-knit family. I loved school, got good grades and enjoyed pastimes
in which my family had no interest. I can recall a few instances when
something I was involved in (notably antiques, history or reading) would make
me so excited and I would TRY to generate some of my enthusiasm in various
family members. It was like talking to a brick wall. After several
disappointments, I just gave up and thought I was an oddball and everyone
else was 'normal'.
See, when I was reading a book, I could be a part of it. I was there with
Nancy Drew or living with the people in A Tree Grows In Brooklyn. Sometimes
I was on the moors in Wuthering Heights or giggling in the parlor with Meg,
Jo, Beth and Amy in Little Women. All these wonderful characters accepted me
into their lives, understood me and made me feel welcome. I shared their
inside jokes and cried, laughed and explored with
them. Coming back to reality was quite a jolt.
Reading nowadays is enjoyable but my adult mind often lets the world's
worries and responsibilities intrude. I can be engrossed in a good book but
somewhere in the back of my mind I know there's laundry to be done, errands
to be run and a meeting to attend. I do find, though, that I can still drift
away if I'm on vacation and immersed in a long-anticipated book. But it's
still not quite as exciting as the adventures I had when I was a kid.
CATZERS
Don't quit five minutes before the miracle.
Subject: The Horse Whisperer
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 05:12 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040821123501.RAA23420@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I just finished The Horse Whisperer by Nicholas Evans in anticipation of
seeing the movie when it is released. I now have a question to ask those of
you that read it. I remember reading on various book boards for sometime
that many people felt the ending was rushed. Some went so far as to say they
hated the ending. Some also said that once Evans sold the rights for the
movie, they felt he couldn't wait to finish this book and be done
with it. If you felt this way, how would you have written the ending?
Perhaps answers could be sent to me by e mail. Or if you do answer here you
can put Spoiler at the top of the message so others who plan on reading this
won't find out the ending.
For the most part I did enjoy this book. it won't kmake my top ten list but
it was enjoyable. I never did get to like Annie much more than in the
beginning and truly wonder how Grace will be emotionally if the future. As
for the ending, one part of it, I did see as being logical - the other was
contrived and somewhat wrapped everything into a neat if precarious package.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Is Steve Case the Devil?
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 06:24 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998040822245901.SAA02337@ladder01.news.aol.com>
IS STEVE CASE THE DEVIL? --
I for one, he said under the hallucinatory influence of sleep
deprivation, believe that school is still out on this question. Certainly a
case for Case could be made. And, if we were to do that wouldn't it be fun to
encase Case in that case and ship him to, oh say, Devil's Island - where he
belongs. However, that is not to say that Steve Case is the devil. Much too
early. Time will tell. Some coercion may be necessary, but I assure you that
eventually time will tell.
But I digress. My hope is eventually to trigress, but I am far too
tired and angry to try that at this point. Or even at this point. Maybe
later. Anyhow, I have been tied up for over a week. I think Dorothea may be
having a mid-life crisis, or sneaking a few too many peeks at afternoon
television. Oh well, girls will be girls. Anyhow my recent opportunites to
get online even briefly have been few, and disastrous.
Earlier this week I downloaded the AOL 4.0 preview to one of my office
machines. We have a very high speed, broadband fiber optic connection at
work. This enabled me to download Case's lethal practical joke in next to no
time. Just about nothing works on that machine anymore. It basically sits
around my office and barks. 4.0 looks like it has some great features, like
not having to go offline to change screen names. Manna -- I thought. Trojan
horse. Beware Case bearing gifts. For that matter, beware bears bearing
gifts.
Well, fortunately I have about three hundred computers because the
Time Warner sales tax money was just sitting there doing nothing. I have kept
3.0 alive, which is how I am writing this on machine #17. Unfortunately, I
believed the AOL Tech Help people who assured me that the version of 4.0
which turns a Tecra into a doggie is just a rare mutant strain of the program
created my transmission line kennel noise. They also said that I should not
feed my machine more than twice a day with a good, hi-protein puppy meal, and
to give it plenty of water and take it on frequent walks.
Well this all sounded so sensible and credible to me that, at their
urging, I agreed to try another 4.0 download on another machine next time I
got back online. This I did about a half hour ago, and except for the fact
that 4.0 screwed up all my network and internet settings, it seemed to cause
no other comic effects. I couldn't use my broadband hook-up because of the
setting problems without rebooting, which should have made me skittish, or
at a minimum Scottish. Nope. I hooked back up to AOL with the modem. Made it
online with 4.0! Aha - mail for Luigi. Lots and lots of mail. Most of it
probably "HI -- I'm Susie mail", but there at the bottom - last mail in -- a
note from KarenLLS. Great. I hit Read, and watched Steve Case smile in the
ether as 4.0 DELETED ALL MY MAIL!! All of it at once. NO scrolling. No
warning. Very efficient. Bam -- one second -- it's all gone. I'm back on here
with 3.0, and, yup, the mail really is gone. This 4.0 prelim is quite a
product.
OK -- I am about to go to the Sandquist name to see if I can destroy my
mail there. Now, as I recall, when last seen I said something like --- "stop
sending me email." Well, I take it all back. I have had my email unblocked
for a week or more, and I fear some of you may have sent mail to me that the
Devil Case stole and deleted before I could even get to it. So if anyone has
sent something to Luigi -- I will try to be more careful with the
Sandquist stuff -- could you please resend it, or at least find out where the
heck Case sent the original. Meanwhile, I will email President Karen because
I do not want her to think that she has lost my vote -- Case my have lost it
-- but not me. I've lost my fastball, but that is another story. Hey, I
wonder if that was a trigression.
The WAC is back!!
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Kate's
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 06:25 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998040822254400.SAA02443@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Oh joy... today I went to Kate's Paperie (NYC) for the first time... and
thought I had died and gone to heaven! What a wonderful store, and what a
day! After going to a City Opera dress rehearsal (Paul Bunyan... so-so..), my
friend and I drove downtown to SoHo to check out this store. It's a good
thing we only had about 1/2 hour there... because I would have spent every
penny I own! Beautiful papers, pens and inks, stationary, books, stamps,
and so much more. Heaven.
I purchased a few hand-made cards... and my new tagline is from one of these.
p.s. Speaking of opera, we now have our tickets for I PURITANI at the Vienna
State Opera in May! More joy...
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden - carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Personalities
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 06:34 PM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040822345700.SAA07169@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Remember how much fun we had doing our personality tests with the Keirsey
Temperament Sorter (http://www.keirsey.com) last year? I discovered I was an
INTJ....and I now know why so many people don't understand when I give
directions....my intuitive directions leave out a lot of steps. I just took
it again and I am still an INTJ. They have added a new test... Keirsey
Character Sorter and still an INTJ..no escaping it.
Well, I found another typology ( A Brief Description of the Enneagram
(http://www.freshy.com/personality/enndesc.html ) that I find even more
effective in understanding how to work with people on the job. This is the
enneagram which sets out 9 personality types. Here is a link to the test to
see where you are. In case you are curious, I am a 5 --- and I wouldn't be
surprised if there
were LOTS of 5's in booknook.
I read about it on the recommendation of a person who works as a
mediator/counselor and who uses it in her practice. I had asked her for
advice in dealing with the Executive Director where I work - a warm and
lovely woman with an incredible temper whose outbursts have made me think of
resigning, despite her sincere apologies after each tantrum. All but one of
the other staff were also thinking of resigning....for the same reason. The
only one who was
not considering resigning is a person whose temper is even more out of
control. So, the work situation is difficult -- common in campaign work
which is high-pressure -- however, in most campaigns you have a deadline and
know it will end in November. This is an ongoing organization and there is no
November respite. I have gone far adrift, but the point is that I
researched the enneagrams and applied what I learned about types to the work
place and
negotiated an agreement between the staff and the ED wherein whenever a staff
person perceives her behavior as over-the-line or abusive we need only say
time out and she will leave and go for a walk or whatever, not returning
until she has her temper under control and that future staff meetings will
end the moment she began to shout at any of us and not continue for two hours
of temper. IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING AND I AM IMPRESSED!!!! Applying the
suggestions for communicating with her type really improves the success rate
of communicating with her -- the only problem is that I am communicating in a
way I do not like to communicate, i.e. very confrontational , but at least
I have regained some control of the work environment.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Re: Update on me and baby
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 07:10 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040823103801.TAA13189@ladder03.news.aol.com>
So happy for you and yours. I have copied your signature and quotation in
lieu of a message. You say it all, everyday, much better than I could:
<<Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.>>
Roe<---who is still ordering you, gently but firmly, to take it easy.
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Is Steve Case the Devil?
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 07:19 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040823194300.TAA14696@ladder03.news.aol.com>
WARREN--I'm so happy to see you back on board! We missed you, yes we did.
And I've been told there are still a lot of problems with aol 4.0, which is
the reason hardly anyone has it yet. I was warned! Why don't you stick with
3.0 for a while until they work out the bugs?
*****Nancy in NJ*****I'm one of the few people on here who liked HORSE
WHISPERER, but it's been so long since I read it when it first came out, I
don't have much to say. I for one, though, thought the ending fit.
THE SHORT HISTORY OF A PRINCE--I liked this book a lot. It was slow at the
beginning, but Jane Hamilton has a beautiful and droll writing style which
fits right in with my personality right now. When I listened to her on
Sunday, I realized the humor in some of what she writes that I hadn't seen
before. She really is a very good speaker, although somewhat nonconformist.
Her characterization of Walter
McCloud, the fifteen-year-old nongifted, gay wannabe ballet dancer is really
good. She was especially effective at capturing the adolescent voice. The
chapters alternate between Walter as a teenager and as an adult, and the
voice with which each speaks is generally quite clear. There were a few
times when I became a little confused about which one was speaking when
Walter slipped back into adolescence in memory. I liked the character of
Walter,
and several of the others, especially Mrs. Gamble who lives next door as
Walter grows up and who sees everything that happens in the neighborhood, as
she patrols it with a bullwhip. I especially like the fact that Walter
accepts his own homosexuality. He doesn't push it on others, but he accepts
it in himself.
RUTHALICE--I'm putting this at the bottom, because I took your personality
test, and I'm shocked. I came out as an 8. That means I'm bossy! I'm not
sure I like that. If you had asked me, I would have said no, not me!
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Is Steve Case the Devil?
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 07:39 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040823392400.TAA14815@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sandquist and Luigi,
I for one am gladdened that you are merely encased, enchased, in need of
sleep, and not entombed within 4.0 itself, deleted by Case himself. A rare
opal in whatever setting, even six-pronged, fiery and brilliant. What a
funny letter, sleep deprived and all. Better than punchy.
So good to hear from you. It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway:
SO GLAD TO SEE YOU! Hope you feel better.
There is a little adolescent novel some of my students are reading this
month. The title is Pinballs. The youngest character is Thomas J., and his
guardians, octogenarian twins, are in the hospital after sequential falls.
He tries to write them and all he can think of to say, even though he has so
many questions on his mind is:
"Hi, How are your hips?"
Well, I feel just like Thomas J. So glad to see you.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: A Little Late With My Response!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 07:41 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040823410900.TAA15114@ladder01.news.aol.com>
CATZERS--When you were describing yourself as a child with a book you sounded
exactly like me! The Secret in the Old Clock--I still remember that one!
And with me it was Richard Halliburton's BOOK OF MARVELS which enthralled me.
I literally wore me copy out. I was with him on every adventure! Literally
there!
TO ALL MY JEWISH FRIENDS--I wish you all a very happy and wonderful Passover.
TO ALL MY CHRISTIAN FRIENDS--I wish you all a very happy and wonderful
Easter.
GOO GOO CLUSTERS--My DH can go through a whole box of them in nothing flat!
Getting ready to begin THE ALL TRUE ADVENTURES OF LIDDIE NEWTON, Jane
Smiley's new book, which sounds good. I didn't like her last one, MOO. I
started it three times and finally gave it up. But I do look forward to this
one.
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Is Steve Case the Devil?
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 07:52 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040823524200.TAA17153@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nah. He is not nearly good looking enough to be the Devil. However, AOL 4 IS
the Devil's plaything. I am a Beta tester, and I KNOW.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: A Little Late With My Response!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 07:59 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998040823591100.TAA21444@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Marilu,
Thank you for the thoughtful and warm greetings for all of us. I am so glad
I halfway fit into one of the first two categories and not completely in the
Goo Goo Clusters category. WHEW! What sect is that? Smiling.
I too want to thank both Catzers and WayCool TR for the joyous trips down
Memory Lane. Nancy Drew or any animal story between two covers, a beverage,
some privacy...innocent Nirvana. "When we leave our childhood behind" is a
misnomer. We bring it right into adulthood with us, and it still brings
pleasure. Thank you both so much.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: a poem
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 08:18 PM EDT
From: Hernandies
Message-id: <1998040900185101.UAA24864@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I am way behind on posts and won't get to catch up tonight cuz DH need the
computer, but I got this on e-mail today and wanted to share it:
> The Dash
>
> I read of a reverend who stood to speak
> at the funeral of his friend.
> He referred to the dates on her tombstone
> from the beginning...to the end.
>
> He noted that first came the date of her birth
> and spoke of the following with tears,
> but he said what mattered most of all
> was the dash between those years.
>
> For that dash represents all the time
> that she spent alive on earth,
> and now only those who loved her
> know what that little line is worth.
>
> For it matters not, how much we own;
> the cars, the house, the cash.
> What matters is how we live and love
> and how we spend our dash.
>
> So think about this long and hard,
> are there things you'd like to change?
> For you never know how much time is left.
> (You could be at "dash mid-range.")
>
> If we could just slow down enough
> to consider what's true and real,
> and always try to understand
> the way that others feel.
>
> And be less quick to anger,
> and show appreciation more
> and love the people in our lives
> like we've never loved before.
>
> If we treat each other with respect,
> and more often wear a smile,
> remembering that this special dash
> might only last a little while.
>
> So, when your eulogy is being read
> with your life's actions to rehash...
> would you be pleased with the things they said
> about how you spent your dash?
Stephanie
"The universe is not only queerer than we imagine, but queerer than we can
imagine." J.B.S. Haldane
Reading Beyond the Cosmos by Hugh Ross
Subject: Octopus story
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 08:26 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040900262700.UAA26248@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<I woke my husband up to tell him that story! LOL>> said GIna.
Gina, I hope you didn't poke him in the tentacles to wake him up.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Personalities
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 08:49 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998040900495300.UAA27376@ladder01.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice - well, that was interesting to take. Like MariLu, I'm an 8 but I
wasn't surprised. I am The Boss. I was a pretty heavy 7, too - which is
what I think Catzers was describing when she was remembering childhood
reading - blocking out that unpleasant childhood. On the other one I was a
rational. Of course, I do expect that whatever mood one's in when one takes
the tests has an effect
to some degree.
Welcome back, Warren - so happy you're still with us.
off to shower and make myself beautiful before DH gets home. Wouldn't want
him to catch me this way.
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Alias Grace
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 09:29 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998040901294800.VAA04821@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Could those of you who are reading Alias Grace for our Readers & Reading Book
Group please post how it's going? I just finished it and am chomping at the
bit to discuss it! Here's a link to a reading group guide that poses some
thought-provoking questions and gives some interesting insights from Margaret
Atwood. It doesn't give anything away, so feel free to read it before you
finish the book. It might enhance your reading of the book.
Amazon.com Reading Guides: Alias Grace
Diane in S. Florida
Subject: Re: Update on me and baby
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 09:30 PM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998040901302600.VAA08057@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Gina,
Congratulations on your good news. (A collective sigh of relief has been
heard across the country!) Continue to be careful, and have a great trip to
CA!
Carolyn on Long Island
Subject: Re: The Horse Whisperer
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 09:46 PM EDT
From: SecrtVenus
Message-id: <1998040901464700.VAA11147@ladder03.news.aol.com>
came out of my corner on this one.....decided to post once again.
Against a lot of peoples opinion on this book. This is my all time favorite
book...I some how connected to it. Its hard to explain but....it is. I
thought the ending to this book was just right....it had to end that way. Im
excited about the movie coming out but Im 100% sure that Hollywood changed
the ending. So im not too sure that im actually going to go out and see it.
I loved the book and thought it was great just how he wrote it. I know
this book is going to get a bit trashed because I saw it all over the place
but i've stuck by it. I've re-read this book so many times that I could
start quoting lines if you asked.
Nancy-- will you now go see the movie???
Anna
"No drowning man can know which drop his last breath did stop..." Sparks
Subject: My web site is finished!!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 09:59 PM EDT
From: TheSussMan
Message-id: <1998040901594401.VAA13678@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I just wanted to let everyone know that I have finished updating and moving
my new and improved web site, MIKE SUSSMAN'S THRILLERS & AUDIOBOOKS. Here is
a link to the site: Mike Sussman's Thrillers & Audiobooks . I hope you will
check it out and bookmark it. All I have left to do on it is to update some
of the author links.
I've missed posting on the board regularly, but I think I'll be able to start
posting and reading the board regularly again soon.
Talk to y'all soon!
Mike
Mike Sussman's Thrillers & Audiobooks
http://members.aol.com/thesussman/home.htm
Subject: Re: A Little Late With My Response!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 10:01 PM EDT
From: Magpiefly
Message-id: <1998040902014401.WAA11460@ladder01.news.aol.com>
You are both so right.. I remember those summer vacations. On the last day of
school I would go to the library and lug home all my summer reading. I was a
family oddball ( well different anyway, no one in my family ever read a book
)also and I would read for hours escaping into those exciting stories. I
wish I could describe that feeling. It was really magical and it hasn't been
as good since. I couldn't imagine life without reading a book.
Reading Plum Island by DeMille.
Barb from Lk. Ronkonkoma //(º_º)\\
"I was dreaming I was awake,but then I woke up and found meself asleep"
...said Stan Laurel to Oliver Hardy
Subject: Re: Good News
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 10:02 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040902021600.WAA14137@ladder03.news.aol.com>
When this Southern says ya'll come, she really means it!
Oh boy - 2 quarts of pickled okra - here I come!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Back Big!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 10:10 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040902105301.WAA15772@ladder03.news.aol.com>
You are right, as usual - GUILT is her first book, I guess - I had some idea
that she had written something before this - NOT. Now I have something to
anticipate - another book!~ wow~ Only on page 302 - had a busy day!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Good News
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 10:11 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040902112000.WAA15834@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hey Sweet Thing - I wonder why!!!!
LOL
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: My web site is finished!!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 10:31 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998040902310600.WAA19581@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thank you Mike!!!
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: A Little Late With My Response!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 10:59 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040902591000.WAA22221@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Loved your post. Made me think back (way back) to those days when I had no
responsibility (at least, none that couldn't be dodged). Nancy Drew
"Larkspur Lane was a favorite,too), Cherry Ames (my mother thought those were
revolting), "Marjorie Morningstar", "Jane Eyre". Though I thought my
childhood was happy, I certainly spent a lot of time in my room with a nose
in a book (too bookie, my grandmother would say). Now
I think that my adulthood is happy, but I'm always reading.
Nancy -- I thought the ending was just too pat. I mean, talk about tying up
loose ends! Maybe Evans should have just left us when . . . you probably
know what I'm talking about without my ruining it for others. How would you
have ended it? Wonder if the movie will follow the book.
Warren -- Glad you're back. I downloaded AOl 4.0, which took over an hour,
and then a huge mess. So forget these nice improvements, Steve. You're
right. He is the devil!
Hope everyone has a Happy Easter, Happy Passover, or if neither is
appropriate, just a glorious weekend. My children are all coming home, so
that will make it joyous for us.
Cissie
Subject: If you ask me......
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 11:05 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998040903052700.XAA26004@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Whoops! 76 messages tonight! When do you folks sleep?
Mary Coral-You said, <<I'm thinking of an OKRA cake with chocolate
icing--whadda ya think?>> Well, um,... er, ...I think I have an important
appointment next April 6. Please excuse me if I don't show up to share that
cake. (Urp!)
Pam-Hope you had the happiest anniversary. Everyone should be glorious as
long as you can share it together. (Love your tag line).
Gina-Joyous news about you and the newbie. Take it easy, but enjoy the
wedding.
Catzers-Oh, how I enjoyued your lovely post about the importance and joy of
reading as a youngster. I do think I was given my keys to understanding
people and myself from my early immersion in wonderful books.
Maniacissima-Great news about the ground breaking. What's the news from
Canada. When's the closing?
Also, don't stop writing those pomes. They are fun and wonderful!
Hooray Warren., I got my wish. A while ago I said I wished I could be reading
a post from the Man of a Thousand Faces. I hope Dorothea unties you on a
regular basis so you can post often. As far as trusting Steve Case goes, I
thought you were smarter than that. I certainly hope you're feeling better,
even if the computers are ailing.
RuthAlice-Thanks for the hyperlinks. If I ever get finished going through all
these messages I will try the new assessment.
MariLu-I still have and cherish my ancient copy of Richard Halliburton's Book
of Marvels. It gave me the itch to travel, and I still remember being totally
enthralled by his tales.
Movie-Saw To Live and Die on Long Island. Steve and I loved it. However, it
may not be for everyone. It's a wonderfully funny remake of Thomas Mann's
Death in Venice. It stars that incredible English actor John Hurt (The
Elephant Man) and Jason Priestley.
Am reading and thoroughly enjoying Arranged Marriage by Chitra Divakaruni.
The stories marvelously portray the lives of Indian women, traditional and
more modern. Each story is a gem. A moving quote from one of the stories:
"It's how we survive, we Indian women whose lives are half light and half
darkness, stopping short of revelations that would otherwise crisp our
skins."
Beautifully written and thought-provoking.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: a poem
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 11:14 PM EDT
From: MKinkel948
Message-id: <1998040903140000.XAA24911@ladder01.news.aol.com>
That was a great poem, Stephanie......I printed it to save and share..Thank
you for sharing
Marlene
Marlene in So Calif
Let your day be a garden of pleasure and your year blossom with every dream
that is close to your heart.
Subject: Re: My web site is finished!!
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 11:15 PM EDT
From: MKinkel948
Message-id: <1998040903153800.XAA27823@ladder03.news.aol.com>
YEAH MIKE! GOOD LUCK TO YOU!
Marlene in So Calif
Let your day be a garden of pleasure and your year blossom with every dream
that is close to your heart.
Subject: Re: Update on me and baby
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 11:35 PM EDT
From: JaneE2059
Message-id: <1998040903350500.XAA01298@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Gina--You wrote:
<<<<<<The Dr. says everything is looking good. We were able to hear the
baby's heartbeat and it seems to be growing normally. I am free to return to
normal life but no lifting or strenuous exercise. Yippee! She also gave me
permission to drive to CA for my brother's wedding (something that she would
not do until today)>>>>>>
CONGRATULATIONS....& WTG!!!!!!!!!
HAVE FUN IN CA!
JaneE2059
Proud Member of Clan Outlandish
"Texas '98 or Bust!"
Subject: New Book List- April 1998
Date: Wed, 08 April 1998 11:50 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998040903504401.XAA04027@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hi All:
I finally have completed this List. Sorry I am sooooo late. I believe its
160 titles. Thank you to Carole #1/El BOZ for Proof Reading.
BOOK NOOK NEW RECOMMENDED LIST
APRIL 8,1998
Compiled by Jayne/Yankee Nana
This is done in a Word Processing format. You can copy and Paste or cut and
Paste. You can double column etc. Any style you wish to make it. Happy
Reading!!
Remember: I cannot put down every recommendation each time. I can only do so
many. Any one who wishes any of the earlier lists please contact me via
e-mail. I must have authors first and last names. I also have this in a
Data Base.
Author Title
Sherman Alexie Reservation Blues
Max Apple Roommates
Kate Atkinson Human Croquet
Judy and Sean Barron There's A Boy In Here
Dave Barry Is from Mars and Venus
Maeve Binchy Firefly Summer
C. Blais In These Girls, Hope is a Muscle
Anatoli Boukreev The Climb
TC Boyle Riven Rock
Jeffrey Burke Island Lighthouse
Robert Olen Butler The Deep Green Sea
Hortense Calisher In The Slammer with Carol Smith
John Cheever Wapshot Chronicles
Jill Churchill Grime and Punishment
Laurie Colwin Another Marvelous Thing
Laurie Colwin Home Cooking
Laurie Colwin More Home Cooking
Laurie Colwin Family Happiness
Laurie Colwin Goodbye Without Leaving
Joseph Conrad Heart of Darkness
Karin Cook What Girls Learn
David Cordy Miracle Strain
Bryce Courtenay Power of One
Robert Crais The Stalking Angel
Alain de Botton On Love
Jeffrey Deaver The Bone Collector
Barbara Delinsky Moment to Moment
Barbara Delinsky Sweet Serenity
Dominguez and Robin Your Money or Your Life
Dominick Dunne Season in Purgatory
John Dunning Booked to Die
Clyde Edgerton Raney
Earl Emerson The Rainy City
Heinz Fenkl Memories of My Ghost Brother
Joy Fielding Tell Me No Secrets
Penelope FitzGerald The Bookshop
Margaret Fox Cafe Beaujolais
Viktor Frankl Man's Search for Meaning
Sally Friedman Swimming the Channel
Charles Gaines Survival Games
G. D. Gearino Counting Coup
Anne George Murder Makes Waves
Anne George Murder on a Bad Hair Day
Anne George Murder on a Girls' Night Out
Anne George Murder Runs in the Family
Steven Gilbar (Editor) Reading in Bed:Personal Essays
Ellen Gilchrest Sarah Conley
Arthur Golden Memoirs of a Geisha
Olivia Goldsmith Fashionably Late
Eileen Goudge Trail of Secrets
Sue Grafton "D" is for Deadbeat
Terence M. Green Shadow of Ashland
Joanne Greenberg Where the Road Goes
Jim Grimsley Winter Birds
Haien Matters of Chance
Brian Hall The Saskiad
Patricia Hampl A Romantic Education
Ron Hansen Atticus
Ron Hansen Desperadoes
Aljean Harmetz Off the Face of the Earth
Daniel Hecht Skull Session
Ursula Hegi The Salt Dancers
Jean Hegland Into the Forest
Carl Hiaasen Lucky You
Carl Hiassen Stormy Weather
John Hockenberry Moving Violations (non-fiction)
L. F. Hoffman The Bachelor's Cat
Alice Hoffman Seventh Heaven
John Irving Cider House Rules
JA Jance Injustice of All
JA Jance A More Perfect Union
JA Jance Trial by Jury
JA Jance Until Proven Guilty
Diane Johnson Le Divorce
Robert Kaplan Balkan Ghosts
Terry Kay The Year the Lights Went On
Terry Kay Dance With The White Dog
Laurie King A Monstrous Regiment of Women
Gregg Kleiner Where River Turns to Sky
Krisher Spiritual Surrender
Madeleine L'Engle Two-Part Invention (non-fiction)
Madeleine L'Engle Summer of the Great Grandmother
Margaret Lawrence Blood Red Roses
Gus Lee Honor and Duty
Elmore Leonard Bandits
Craig Lesley The Sky Fisherman
Norman Lewis Naples '44 (non-fiction)
Eleanor Lipman Then She Found Me
Aimee Liu Cloud Mountain
David Long The Falling Boy
Lois Lowry The Giver
Steve Martini Undue Influence
Cormac McCarthy The Crossing
Sharyn McCrumb Zombies of the Gene Pool
Claire Messud When the World Was Steady
Jacquelyn Mitchard The Rest of Us
Marcel Monticeno Sacred Heart
Toni Morrison Paradise
Harry Mulisch The Discovery of Heaven
Sallyann J. Murphey Bean Blossom Dreams
Katherine Neville The Eight
Hilary Norman The Pact
Karen Osborn Between Earth and Sky
Karen Osborn Patchwork
Ann Patchett The Magician's Assistant
Cathie Pelletier Beaming Sonny Home
Tom Perrotta The Wishbones
Marge Piercy Gone to Soldiers
Rosamunde Pilcher Sweet Mountain Thyme
Rosamunde Pilcher Sleeping Tiger
Helen Prejean Dead Man Walking
Douglas Preston Reliquary
Anna Quindlen Black and Blue
Anna Quindlen Object Lessons
Sheri Reynolds Gracious Plenty
Jean Rhys Wide Sargasso Sea
Nino Ricci (Trilogy) Lives of the Saints (bk one)
Nino Ricci A Glass House (bk two)
Nino Ricci Where She Has Gone (bkthree)
Francine Rivers The Atonement Child
Nora Roberts Born in Fire (1 of a series)
Nora Roberts Born in Ice (#2 of Series)
Nora Roberts Born in Shame (#3 of Series)
Nora Roberts Daring to Dream
Mark Salzman Growing Up Absurd in Suburbia
Mark Salzman The Soloist
Lori Schiller & Amanda Bennett The Quiet Room
Anita Shreve Eden Close
Anita Shreve Resistance
Anita Shreve Strange Fits of Passion
Anita Shreve The Weight of Water
Anita Shreve Where or When
Barry Siegal The Perfect Witness
Edith Skom The George Eliot Murders
Edith Skom The Mark Twain Murders
Susan Sloan Guilt By Association
Lee Smith Saving Grace
Martin Cruz Smith The Rose
Jeffrey Steingarten The Man Who Ate Everything
Mary Stewart Touch Not the Cat
Tom Stoppard Arcadia
Patrick Suskind Perfume
James Alexander Thom Follow the River
Moritz Thomsen Farm on the River of Emeralds
Moritz Thomsen The Saddest Pleasure
Judy Troy West of Venus
Anne Tyler Celestial Navigation
Anne Tyler Dinner at the Homesick Restaurant
Leon Uris The Haj
Jane Urquhart Away (Irish Tale)
Ellen Vaughn The Strand
Judith Viorst Imperfect Control
Frances Weaver I'm Not as Old as I used to Be
Simon Weisenthal The Sunflower
Donna Williams Nobody Nowhere
Donna Williams Somebody Somewhere
Michael Winerip 9 Highland Rd (Non-fiction)
Stuart Woods Under the Lake
Stuart Woods Sante Fe Rules
If I have any repeats from the last list sorry. I forgot to check. I had a
Senior Moment. For all those going to THE STRAND on the 27th of April. Happy
Spending. For those going to Albany on the 18th. Happy Spending.
Fond regard,
Jayne the List Lady
Subject: Re: Personalities
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 12:00 AM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998040904004700.AAA03103@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Well, RuthAlice, I learned some things about myself tonight. But one thing
has me puzzled: I took both the Termperament and Character tests. by
Temperament, I am an ENFP, but by Character, I am an INFP. In one case I am
an Introvert and in one I am an Extrovert. I guess my GEMINI birth strikes
again! My Temperament says I am an Idealist Advocate (Motivator) and my
Character says I am an Idealist
Healer. I will need some time to look at these. The Idealist is consistent.
And looking at the four types: Guardian, Artisan, Idealist, and
Rationalist--I tend to agree with what the test told me--I am an Idealist.
BTW on the Enneagram test I am a 7. And this description does suit me better
than all the others.
Thank you for this interesting exercise in self-knowledge. I'm always amazed
when a test tells me about myself what I already knew. It is rather spooky.
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 12:31 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998040904315300.AAA10827@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dear All:
On Thursday April 2, 1998 at 9:18 pm Write Judi wrote the following Post
<No matter how diligently we raise our children to do the right thing in all
circumstances, I wonder how many of us can say we honestly adhere to that
standard. Our parents taught us to tell the truth, to obey the law. We give
the same messages to our children. This is good.>
I have read all the Post on Absolute Right and Wrong. Overcharges,
Undercharges, speeding etc. Thought of sharing this on the Book Nook People
Board for many days but not quite ready to announce to the world I am a
former Criminal. Yep yours truly.
THE CRIME
A premeditated crime. Guilty as Charged. A Genuine Shop Lifter at the ripe
old age of 10 years.
We lived near a Variety Store. Back in those days they had soda fountains,
comics, drugs, plus these circular racks and on them were Post cards and
packages of "Stamps" for ones collection. Cost 50 cents. I would look at
those stamps and wish, and wish and wish. I would never have 50 cents. Each
day I would go to the store for someone in my family and look once again.
Then my brain started to work rapidly with all kinds of ways to get those
stamps!!!! If I bought one comic book for ten cents and placed the package
of stamps inside the comic book!!!! My mind was just running a mile a minute.
Soooo I practised placing the stamps in the comic book for three days.
The big day came for the Crime of the Century to one little ten year old
girl. Bravely got the comic book, checked all corners of the store and gee,
no one in site here is my chance. Opened the comic book, slid the package in
and walked cautiously to the counter to pay for my comic. Alas, right in
front of the owner the stamps fell out of the comic book a deed I never
thought would happen. It never entered my mind something would go
wrong.!!!!!!
Young lady come with me this strong voice pounded into my ear. Every store
has a back room. After a good scolding the owner said to me "You go home and
tell your parents what you did today. I will call your house and see if you
told them by six o'clock. I just sat there, I could see the bars on the
jail, would anyone come an visit me etc. I would not cry and give the owner
the satisfaction. But I said in a nice strong voice: "Could you please
take me to jail and call my parents yourself?" ( Looking at this scenario as
an adult how did the poor man keep a straight face.)
I trudged home worrying all the way. I probably will be sent to my room for
life.!! Bread and Water in my room for life.!! My imagination raced an my
mind could not even imagine my punishment. I first told my Mom because Dad
had not gotten home yet. Well, my mother was ready to kill me!!! Back in
those days it was more the "What will the neighbors think" or "Shame on the
family". Old Mom was sputtering away. Good old Dad came home an then the
whole story came out. Dad just looked at me. Well, Jayne guess you and I
cannot go to the basketball game at the high school tonight. I was
heartbroken. A good old spanking would have been easier. My Dad never
raised his voice, never yelled just said "I am disappointed in you" Well, I
felt awful an went to my room to think about it. All night long.
the end
I had not thought of that for many a year. It was almost 55 years ago. When
people were talking about cheating, or speeding or whatever. It really
brought that incident back to me. Since that day I don't think I could have
stolen a paper clip at work, taught my children honesty is always the best
policy. Being honest an getting in trouble was one thing but lying an
getting in trouble was a major offense in our home. I told
my children what happened to me that day when they were older and they never
ever forgot it. Being an adult of sound mind (most of the time) I have
laughed about this many times over the years.
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Personalities
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 01:17 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998040905180601.BAA17493@ladder03.news.aol.com>
No surprise to me: I'm an 8 and it was just about on target. (Hey, Mari Lu,
I'll bet I know how you answered the question about grammar and punctuation!)
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Personalities
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 03:19 AM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040907190301.DAA29211@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh that 8 thing!!!! I work with four 8's. However, the online description
does leave a lot to be desired. All the enneagrams range through 9 levels
from healthy to unhealthy and healthy 8's are really quite wonderful
champions of truth and justice.....it's the average to unhealthy 8's that are
those who respond with anger first, foremost and always. Healthy 8's are
leaders.
There is a great book on the enneagram that I have lent to a co-worker...even
better than Helen Palmer's The Enneagram Advantage and it is very encouraging
to those who are dumbfounded by finding themselves something they think might
be wrong. The online description seems to fit the extremes and not the
middle.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Re: Personalities
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 03:25 AM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040907254200.DAA29635@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Like MariLu, I'm an 8 but I wasn't surprised. I am The Boss. I was a
pretty heavy 7, too - which is what I think Catzers was describing when she
was remembering childhood reading - blocking out that unpleasant childhood.
On the other one I was a rational. Of course, I do expect that whatever mood
one's in when one takes the tests has an effect
to some degree.
Mary Ann,
The interesting thing about the enneagram is the flexibility it holds for
personality typing and that it acknowledges that were usually have some
traits from all the types. However, where it gets more interesting is that
whatever type you are, you also have a "wing" that incorporates one of the
other adjacent types. For example, an 8 will have a 7 or a 9 wing. So your 7
wing just fits right in. I am a 5 with a 6 wing.
What the ennegram helps with is figuring out what is the best way to
communicate with someone -- and it does seem to work very well.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Welcome back!
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 03:28 AM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040907291201.DAA27174@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Warren,
I am so thrilled to see you back with us and I second Roe's question. How are
your hips? How are you doing? and did you go to Prague?
You have no idea how delighted I was when the new posts came up and there you
were!!!!
Welcome back!!
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Re: Is Steve Case the Devil?
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 07:23 AM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998040911234700.HAA04759@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I KNEW there was a reason I didn't download the preview version of AOL
4.0.........
and a big
Welcome Back, Luigi
Subject: This and That
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 08:00 AM EDT
From: NVLehman
Message-id: <1998040912002101.IAA04318@ladder01.news.aol.com>
CloudLA--- Haroset is one of the 5 symbolic things put on the Seder plate
which help to tell the Passover story. Haroset is a combination of fruit,
nuts and wine blended into a paste consistency to symbolize the mortar the
slaves used in their hard labor in Egypt. Different fruits and nuts are
traditional to each Jewish community, based upon what was readily available.
The traditonal Eastern European version is made
from apples, walnuts and wine. Middle Eastern communities use(d) almonds or
pine nuts and things like dates, figs, apricots instead.
Gina-- Glad to hear that all is well.
It's been a very difficult few days. The exterminator had to bomb our
kitchen. A plague of roaches arrived just in time for Passover. So, my
entire kitchen is in black trash bags in the middle of the living room. Last
night I cleaned out every cabinet. Scrubbing, windexing, you name it. Today
everything must be washed and put away. I must shop and start to cook for
tomorrow, set the tables etc. Sixteen for seder dinner and as soon as that
itdone I must finish the taxes. I feel a little overwhelmed and the girls
are home from school and my DH is out of town on business.
Subject: Plagues
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 08:51 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040912511301.IAA08410@ladder01.news.aol.com>
NINA: your plague arrived a few days too early - ugh - they are supposed to
wait until they are acknowledged during the Seder, aren't they -:) I am
about to get out the dishes & wash them all, & go through that minor kitchen
transformation today as well. Can hardly wait. As I packed away the stuff
last year I wondered - next year - where? Not in Jerusalem or a new house,
but right here, as imagined.
Up North house closing with the famous BFH, is still rolling ahead -
documents to arrive today via courier & actual closing next Wednesday, April
15. That explosion you hear will be a 21-champagne cork salute.
Why is it that: when a chore has to be done, like something carried to the
P.O, or someone has to be home for a delivery - 'your golf game" becomes less
important than "my Bridge game"? Scratching my head.
Finished GUILT BY ASSOCIATION - whew! good writing, interesting story - not
great, but a good airline or beach novel. I would read her next one gladly.
Off to the greens - toss 'em or play on 'em.
More later
TTFN
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: New Book List- April 1998
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 09:12 AM EDT
From: Ratacheck
Message-id: <1998040913120901.JAA10419@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks, Jayne. What a treat!!
Rita
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 09:30 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040913304601.JAA12123@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jayne -- Loved your story of your early days as a criminal. My two oldest
remember vividly being taken back to the grocery store to return stolen
counter-candy and to confess their crime to the manager. Not only was I
furious with them for taking what I had told them they positively could not
have, but I had to load them back in the car and drive all the way back to
the store in 5 PM traffic! During the return trip, they cried and asked
over and over again what was going to happen to them. I replied that I had
no idea; it was up to the manager, but that stealing was against the law. To
this day, they remember the humiliation and the fear that they were going to
be thrown in jail. Had I punished them at home without returning to the
store, they might have missed the point and thought that the only problem
was being discovered and making me mad.
RuthAlice -- I took the test, answered all 180 questions, but each time I
tried to score the darned thing I got that "attempt to load failed"message.
What causes that? Am I off the charts? Or do I just keep trying? I guess
now I'll have to answer all those questions again.
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 10:52 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040914524600.KAA20780@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I am glad that happened to someone else, because I kept getting the same
message, and now I have to take the test over as well.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 12:53 PM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040916534901.MAA07950@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I have never gotten that message there, but I know that I get that message at
other sites once in a while. It happens more commonly with aol than with a
different isp using netscape. I always blame it on aol, perhaps unfairly.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Trips down memory lane
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 01:07 PM EDT
From: BRULE31415
Message-id: <1998040917070101.NAA09566@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I agree! I loved Nancy Drew and Rrixie Belden when i was growing. Was
thrilled when my now 15 yr old fell in love with them too. she has since
outgrown them Oh well.
Becky in Texas
Subject: Re: More about pronunciation
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 01:13 PM EDT
From: RKCK SYST
Message-id: <1998040917131401.NAA07699@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Had a friend in high school who signed on to do a verbal report in English
class. When she got up in front of us she was stunned at the laughter that
followed her announcement of her topic: the misproNOUNciation of common
words. Felt so bad for her.
Carolyn K
"Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of
it." P.J. O'Rourke
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 01:15 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040917154300.NAA10640@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Does anyone remember Cherry Ames?? Student Nurse, Night Nurse, etc?? Used to
love those books, too.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re 8000 Messages
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 02:03 PM EDT
From: Avidca6
Message-id: <1998040918035100.OAA17142@ladder03.news.aol.com>
After being out of town for a week, I find myself facing over 500 messages.
EEEKS. I know I will not be able to catch up, so I will be skipping some.
But I have followed the gun control thread, and I want to thank you for
bringing up points that I needed to hear on both sides.
Also, happy birthday to all of you whose celebrations I missed.
Catzers/Way -- I came from a family of readers, a very tight-knit group. But
I remember those same summer days, holed up in the coolness of my basement
bedroom. My drink of choice was Squirt, but my books were Nancy Drew and the
Hardy Boys, anything about horses or dogs, and, eventually, the Brontes and
Gone With the Wind. I agree that I rarely feel that incredible sense of
escape and sheer joy at plunging into even the most enjoyable book these
days.
I finished Owen Meny and just loved it. Gave it to a friend so we can talk
about it.
I read Alias Grace in February and am looking forward to the discussion in
the R and R Book Club!
Congratulations Gina -- very good news!
Welcome back, Warren -- sorry the aol devil traps gotcha.
I have just returned from a visit with my 88 year old aunt who is doing her
best to make the transition to "adult care" (blech, what a name) from
independence. It is such a tough step, and I have been doing a lot of
reflecting this week. I appreciate the humor and dignity and intelligence in
the women I met who live with Aunt Chrissie. I am also grateful that this is
the time of year to celebrate renewal and life. Happy Spring, Easter,
Passover, and reading to all!
Melinda in California's Central Valley - reading Chasing Cezanne
The soul should always stand ajar, ready to welcome the ecstatic experience.
- Emily Dickinson
Subject: The Test
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 02:20 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040918205700.OAA16931@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I confess - I am an 8 - but I must take the time to analyze the results
further, as some of the statements it makes are totally NOT me. The first
time I did it I also had problems - & found that one question I had answered
had not registered completely - I had to go over it line by line.
Very interesting!
All hung up with Watson's WHITE CROSSES, when I should be doing Passover
things! Oh well - there's always tomorrow - when I can beat myself for not
doing it today.
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 02:24 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998040918245701.OAA17466@ladder01.news.aol.com>
CHERRY AMES!! - you bet - I read them all - & imagined her to look like a
cross between Carmen Miranda (OK - she was my idol - who else do you know
that could dance with a fruit bowl on her head) & Brenda Starr - smart &
gorgeous. I think I must have been about 8 - 10 years old when I read them -
must have been during one of my altruistic stages-:)
How about Maggie Muggins? - or was she just a Canadian invention - with her
freckles & pigtails (my childhood double) - author was Mary Grannan.
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Rent and Rose's Garden
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 02:36 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998040918361101.OAA18996@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy, The female leads are different, but I'm going to get tickets anyway.
I hope it will be as good as the show you saw in NY. I loved the movie, All
That Jazz. The ad in the L.A. Times just says Jasmine Guy and Alan Thicke,
and doesn't mention the second female lead for Orange County Performing Arts
Center. It's coming in July. The ad for the Ahmanson in
L.A. says Charlotte d' Amboise, Jasmine Guy, and Brent Barrett. The show
begins there April 29 and will play until they come to Orange County.
We have tickets to see Riverdance on April 19. I'm looking forward to that.
I have the video of it, as well as Lord of the Dance.
Barbara (reading A Big Storm Knocked it Over--Laurie Colwin)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Things to think about
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 02:53 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040918530201.OAA21270@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Here are some things to muddle your brains over:
V A R I A T I O N S O N M U R P H Y ' S L A W
1. The Law of Common Sense
Never accept a drink from a urologist.
2. The Law of Reality
Never get into fights with ugly people, they have nothing to lose.
3. The Law of Self Sacrifice
When you starve with a tiger, the tiger starves last.
4. The Law of Volunteering
If you dance with a grizzly bear, you had better let him lead.
5. The Law of Avoiding Oversell
When putting cheese in a mousetrap, always leave room for the mouse.
6. The Law of Motivation
Creativity is great, but plagiarism is faster.
7. Boob's Law
You always find something in the last place you look.
8. Weiler's Law
Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself.
9. Law of Probable Dispersal
Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.
10. Law of Volunteer Labour
People are always available for work in the past tense.
11. Conway's Law
In any organisation there is one person who knows what is going on.
That person must be fired.
12. Iron Law of Distribution
Them that has, gets.
13. Law of Cybernetic Entomology
There is always one more bug.
14. Law of Drunkenness
You can't fall off the floor.
15. Heller's Law
The first myth of management is that it exists.
16. Osborne's Law
Variables won't; constants aren't.
17. Main's Law
For every action there is an equal and opposite government programme.
18. Weinberg's Second Law
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programmes, then
the first woodpecker that came along would have destroyed
civilisation.
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: A Great German Story
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 03:26 PM EDT
From: KarinFrey
Message-id: <1998040919261501.PAA28514@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I just read a very interesting story. It is called "Walls" by Hiltgunt
Zassenhause. It is written about her life during the second world war in
Germany. She was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Subject: Personality Test
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 03:59 PM EDT
From: TDanks777
Message-id: <1998040919591701.PAA03408@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Geeeeeeshhhh! That was a long questionairre--had to really focus on that
one. I came out a 9! A Mediator---perfect, being a libra and all.
Well, I'm off to London for 9 days with my 10 and 12 y.o. sons and my sister.
My DH had to bow out at the last moment due to a crisis at his business.
Fortunately, my sister was able to step in and take his place. My boys,
especially the younger one, were REALLY disappointed. The vacation won't be
quite the same without him. DH is a very commited father who arranges his
schedule around the kids schedules so they are quite used to having him
around. However, it was a good lesson for them in doing the responsible
thing. Dad had to make a difficult choice but is taking care of his
responsibilities. I am proud of him for doing the right thing!!
The most difficult decision for me has been: which book to take with me.
I'm leaving in one hour and I still can't decide. I think I'll grab one as I
run out the door!!
I do have one request of yall: PLEASE DON'T POST UNTIL I RETURN---I'll need
another vacation after catching up when I get back!!!
Wishing everyone a Happy Passover/Easter-----
Terri--reading The Zone and Wait Till Next Year
Subject: Re: Personalities
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 04:02 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998040920023700.QAA01344@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I took the test and am a well adapted 8. I am also, no surprise, an Aries.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Is Steve Case the Devil?
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 04:46 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040920463400.QAA08105@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Warren - good to see you back online. I also know other people who are
downloading aol 4.0 and are having lots of problems. Nina wrote the other
day that when she did this she couldn't find us anywhere. Me- I like to stay
where I am until the kinks are worked out.
Mari Lu- Thanks for your input into The Horse Whisperer. I think it could
have been better and parts of it reminded me of Bridges of Mdison County but
I did think the writing was better than Bridges. Sometimes I like a book not
because of the writing but because of the characters or plot.
Sally -so you found Kate's Paperie without all of the book nookers trailing
behind you at our reunion in April. Hooray for your opera tickets. Hope
Judi doesn't read this but I am one of those people who has tried and tried
to enjoy the opera but rush back to my folk music or Barry Manilow instead.
What can I say - once a plebian always a plebian.
Mari Lu- I don't have to take no test to know I'm bossy. LOL
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Haroset
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 04:48 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040920484900.QAA10994@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I was going to respond to Mary Coral's asking about Haroset but since I
rarely make this or the Seder I will defer to my two other mavens- Nina and
or Carol. So ladies - what is this and please let us know a very good
recipe. Also what is the symbolism or why we use this as part of the dinner.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: a poem
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 04:50 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040920500300.QAA11201@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Stephanie - have just printed the poem you posted - many thanks.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: The Horse Whisperer
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 04:53 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040920533200.QAA11764@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Anna- the main reason I read the book is because I'm do plan on seeing the
movie. before I saw the trailers, I had no desire to read it. I still adore
Robert Redford although some say he's had some work done. Who cares? I do
think he's perfect for this role - anybody ever see him in the movie The
Electric Horseman?
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Is Steve Case the Devil?
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 04:59 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998040920594001.QAA12691@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Leave it to Warren . . . that was one of the most entertaining "computer
disaster" stories I've read in a while! And people wonder why we missed our
Emperor Chameleon!! Welcome back, WAC!
Deb
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: GUILT!!!
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:00 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040921002701.RAA10272@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol- I'm sure that you and many others here can relate to this. I began
reading Guilt by Associaiton this morning and am already half-way through.
During lunch I mentioned to a friend how much I was enjoying this book. She
asked if it was new and I said no - almost three years old. After we left
each other I began thinking back about this title. I remembered that I
originally borrowed this from the library but like so many of
my library books, I never even opened it and returned it and forgot about the
title. Then while book browsing one day I came across this in paperback and
bought it and then placed it in my book closet. I only rememebrd it after
Nancy in PA urged us to read Isolated Incident and I looked up in my
inventory to see if I had other titles by this author.
My main point is, as I continue to buy and borrow I'm wondering how many
other books are in the closet that I'm really missing out on a good read
while I continue to buy new ones and borrow from the library.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: A Little Late With My Response!
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:01 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040921015201.RAA13048@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cissie - thats a good teacher's trick - how would I have ended The Horse
Whisperer. I really don't know but agree that one part was way too pat.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Personalities
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:03 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998040921031400.RAA13289@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I've been having fun with IQ tests online, lately. The very first one I
tried, 20-minutes long, gave me the exact same score that I got from those
battery of tests you take throughout high school. I thought that was kind of
interesting! It's nice to know I haven't gotten and more dumb in the last 13
years!
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: Re: This and That
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:05 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040921050801.RAA11046@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nina- I should have known that you would have answerd this question and now I
left two messages one asking for you to do it and now one thanking you.
Why don't I just learn to read or go back to writing multiple messages?
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: The Horse Whisperer
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:08 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998040921085800.RAA11698@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I haven't gone back to revisit THE HORSE WHISPERER, but I agreed with most of
you . . . the ending was flat. The beginning of that book was wonderful, but
I remember that the last third or so seemed very rushed and rote . . . not up
to the quality of the beginning. It wasn't until I read all the comments
here that I realized that was because Evans had already sold the book and
needed to meet the deadline--but that's exactly what I was
thinking--that he rushed it.
Meanwhile, I may well decide to go see the movie when it comes out . . . who
knows? Redford hasn't aged particularly well, though . . . (grin)
The movie I'm curious about is CITY OF ANGELS . . . Nicholas Cage and Meg
Ryan, an intriguing idea . . . I can't wait to find out if it lives up to its
premise!
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:09 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998040921090801.RAA11734@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I sure do remember Cherry Ames- as a matter of fact I still have some of
those books and my Nancy Drew books and even Bobbsy Twin books. They are
worn and well read - just the way I like my books to look.
My Amazon box of goodies arrived today but unfortunately DH was with me. He
was sooo funny, asked me if we're going to the poor house surrounded by
books.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:11 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998040921114401.RAA12158@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jayne dear -- what a lovely and poignant story! Something similar happened to
me... not with shoplifting but with misbehavior when I was in elementary
school. I will NEVER forget the fear I felt as I was hiding out in the home
ec room and was sent for by Miss Ayers, a stern, white-haired, no-nonsense
teacher. (This had to be at least 45 years ago and last I heard she was STILL
going strong at 105 in a local home for the elderly... and I thought
she was 110 in those days!) I have no idea how I was punished, or what she
said.. but the fear stays with me to this day.
Sally, currently reading THE BETRAYal by Sabin Willett.
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden - carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Thursday afternoon
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:28 PM EDT
From: CLKMcG
Message-id: <1998040921283101.RAA17455@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Gina: I'm so happy to hear the good news from the doctor! Have a great time
at the wedding.
Jackie: I'm also an INFP! It was slightly eerie reading the description of
my personality and thinking, "Yes, that's me all over!" I'll have to take
the new test soon.
Oh, Nancy Drew! What vivid memories that name recalls! My favorite
continues to be THE CLUE IN THE CRUMBLING WALL. I first read them in the
early 60s. The Louisville Public Library would only let children take out
four books at a time, so I plowed through the series and then went on to the
Judy Bolton mysteries. Anyone remember those? I bought about a dozen of
them from a nice woman in Mystery Realm last fall.
I would also like to wish everyone the best of holidays that pertain to them!
We're going home to Louisville for a visit next week when the twins are on
spring break. Haven't seen our families since Christmas, so this will be a
treat. I'll get terribly behind on the posts, unless I can use my sister's
pc to catch up then.
Jayne: I hope you don't think I'm a rude bonehead! When you IM'd me last
week, I thought we were finished talking and looked up at the clock to
realize that I was late going to get the boys at school. I dashed out,
leaving AOL on and didn't know you were still writing me! Sorry!!
~Cheri~
"Woe be to him that reads but one book."
.....George Herbert 1593--1633
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:34 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040921342501.RAA18409@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice -- You're so right. I blame AOL for everything. Even ElNino!
Cissie
Subject: Question about JFK Airport
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:40 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040921403100.RAA19394@ladder03.news.aol.com>
When Celesta and I go to NYC April 26 we are arriving at JFK at almost
identical times, but on different airlines. I will be on Delta, and she will
be on American. We're trying to decide where to meet, but since we're not
familiar with the airport, and the last time I went through there it was
under construction and a big mess, we don't have any idea of where might be a
good central place to meet, it there is one. Does anyone have any
ideas?
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Early Reading
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:45 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998040921453300.RAA20240@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Of COURSE I read Nancy Drew! The Secret of the Hidden Staircase was my
favorite, as I recall. Did anyone else read the True Love/True Romance
magazines besides me? I felt so very... GUILTY ... and read these under the
covers with a flashlight. And as long as we are going down memory lane, and
are dating ourselves, how's about those wonderful radio programs like The
Shadow, Nick Carter, The Green Hornet, The Lone Ranger, Stella Dallas, and
(as
my DH is reminding me as I write) Captain Midnight, Hopalong Cassidy, and
Tom Mix... ::::::::::Sally sighing::::::
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden - carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Cherry Ames
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:47 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998040921475100.RAA18107@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cheef -- Oh my yes! I loved her. My mother thought she was trashy and made
me read one book of HER choosing for every Cherry Ames. I thought that was
unfair since I devoured those nursing stories like popcorn. How fair is
this: "Cherry Ames: Visiting Nurse" for "David Copperfield"? The woman did
not believe in fairness where children were concerned.
I'm on Day 3 of Zyban, the drug to help those of us who are addicted to the
noxious weed. I thought this would be a nice Birthday present for myself.
After 35 years of smoking, I'm going to try 35 of not smoking. Then, when
I'm 85 (and I've got good genes) I'm going to chain smoke. By the time I get
to that age, my kids will probably give me a carton! So hope if I say
anything obnoxious or mean-spirited or just plain crazy, you'll understand.
Carol -- So excited for you about possibly breaking ground soon on your new
house. And especially happy that the closing is coming up soon. I know what
an ordeal this has been for you and Alex. Keeping my fingers crossed that
all goes well.
Cissie, reading "The Short History of a Prince"
Subject: Plebian?
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 05:58 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998040921590901.RAA22448@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy -- a plebian? Nah... just 'cause you don't like opera, doesn't mean you
are platitudinous! <g> (How do you like them words!) I didn't like opera
either until about 10 years ago when I became a Board member of a regional
opera company. And remember, I'm married to a guy that likes country western
music, dislikes (a euphemism for "near-hates") opera. I'm dragging him to the
opera in Vienna... but I will have to PAY! You
betcha. I'm going to be dragged to the Porshe factory/testing grounds over
there.
Warren -- glad to have you back among the BookNook living. Hope you are
feeling better and are planning to join us later in the month.
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden - carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: AOL4.0
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 06:11 PM EDT
From: ShanOD
Message-id: <1998040922111100.SAA21941@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I've been using AOL4.0 ever since it was first offered in preview. NO
problems whatsoever, and it's a real treat to be able to switch between
screennames to pick up business mail without fighting to get back online.
The toolbar is cleaned up and looks far less cheesy. However, beyond that,
it's hard to tell what the differences are!
Shannon
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 06:35 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998040922353401.SAA28439@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I just lost a whole post--don't know whether it is worth trying to remember,
or now, but here goes.
CAROL OF MARCO ISLAND, JUDI, CHEEF, AND RUTHALICE--You all and I oughta get
along just fine, what with all of us being 8's. We'll be telling each other
what to do all the time! But honestly, I raised five kids and taught junior
high. How can you do that without being somewhat bossy? DH says it
tactfully, though. He says I'm not
bossy, just controlling, while he ducks for cover!
For those of you who are being nostalgic about the long-lost days of
childhood books, here are some links for you.
Nancy Drew Page
Cherry Ames Page
Trixie's Homepage
Jayne in Connecticut--Your story reminded me of DD when she was about twelve.
She went with her girlfriend and friend's mother to the mall, and mother
turned them loose. They were caught taking some little thing--costume
jewelry or cosmetics, I don't remember--and were caught by the security
guard, who hauled them up to the story office. DD called
me from there, crying and sobbing. She was so embarrassed. I picked her up,
and the first thing I said to her was, "I'm so glad you got caught." She
didn't understand why I said that then, but she does now. To my knowledge,
she never did a thing like that again and is the epitome of honesty.
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 06:38 PM EDT
From: BRULE31415
Message-id: <1998040922381000.SAA26289@ladder01.news.aol.com>
yes Cherry Ames was a fav along with Nancy and Trixie(spelled it right this
time)
Becky in Texas
Subject: Re: Misc..
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 07:15 PM EDT
From: SilvlocMom
Message-id: <1998040923155501.TAA02763@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jayne - loved that story.. you rascal you, what a scamp.
I took the test and came out a 9, no surprise to me!
Hope everyone has a Happy Easter, a Happy Passover and a great weekend.
Joan in NJ
Subject: Re: Is Steve Case the Devil?
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 07:37 PM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998040923374901.TAA06576@ladder01.news.aol.com>
My feelings "eggsactly", Nancy..........:) I usually wait, too!!!!!!!
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 07:40 PM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998040923401100.TAA09545@ladder03.news.aol.com>
read them, too, but daughter was never interested in them.......she reads
though, so it's OK!
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Re: Early Reading
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 07:42 PM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998040923424300.TAA07414@ladder01.news.aol.com>
YES.......to ALL.........I can remember listening to the Shadow and Boston
Blackie......sitting on my grandfather's lap and covering my ears when there
it got to scary......LOL.....and a Sunday evening ritual was Mom, Dad,
brother and I in parents bed listening to the Jack Benny Show..........fond
memories.......oh yes........!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 07:53 PM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998040923533801.TAA11797@ladder03.news.aol.com>
MARILU SAID: CAROL OF MARCO ISLAND, JUDI, CHEEF, AND RUTHALICE--You all and I
oughta get along just fine, what with all of us being 8's.
I must demur, since I am not an 8, but a 5 -- one of the defining
characteristics of a 5 is being a book collector and a reader. I was
expecting to find more 5's. Are there any out there?
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Re: Misc..
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 07:53 PM EDT
From: Dixie80
Message-id: <1998040923542300.TAA11918@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Okay...after reading 150 messages here I don't know how I missed this test
thing <g>....can someone repost where to take it at?
Thanks
Carole #2 in the Adirondacks
"If you can imagine it,
You can achieve it.
If you can dream it,
You can become it."
-William Arthur Ward
Subject: Re: Absolute Right and Wrong
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 08:43 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041000435400.UAA20165@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Ruth Alice and All,
To 5's and 8's and 9's and whomever's...Could I be more jealous of those of
you who know who and what you are? Not likely, said the chameleon. I failed
another personality test. How can one fail to succeed on a test of this
sort? By having no definitive personality and plenty of contraindicating
traits, of course. Alias Grace has nothing on me, nor do Sybil, Eve, and
Suddenly Seeking Susan, and especially Looking For Mr. Goodbar. First of
all,
I am an EN(X)P which is an affirmation of being exactly half and half
T(thinking) and F(feeling). Hapa. Because of myriad workshops on personality
tests and team building on the professional level, this type is an absolute
assessment of yours truly.
For the second time I took the Enneagram, once about six months ago, now
today, and there are four types in which the percentage is equal: 5 6 7 8
. 80% Apparently there are no wings. I'm just a four humpback camel, no
angel. Perhaps this indicates indecision or multiple personalities, or
merely multidimensional facets, but it sure is confusing. Now, if I look at
the well-adjusted 5 6 7 &8' s, the world is my oyster, but looking at the mal
adjusted 5 6 7 &8's is an invitation to climb back into the womb or at least
the oyster shell. I am tempted to take the test again to make it come out in
a more preferred way. Yes, that's what I'll do. Manipulate the test
results. Have a new category: Manipulator. ROFLMAO.
I am interested in more literature on this subject. Apparently, I need
definition! Thank you for the fun. We love to investigate ourselves, and
that factor should be another consideration in personality typing. Egoism .
Laughing and Laughing. Ruth Alice, I am a 5, yes, and a 6 and a 7 and an 8.
Scary, huh? Somewhere, in the back or recesses of my mind, I perceive some
or many of us are just individuals, multi dimensional, who react to
different stimuli differently, on any given day, while our inherent selves
remain the same.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Early Reading
Date: Thu, 09 April 1998 10:07 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041002072801.WAA02809@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sally, I used to come home from school and race to turn on the radio. My
favorites were "Search for Tomorrow" and "From these Roots". Talk about
dating yourself!!! I'm from the deep South, so I'd stretch out on the
kitchen counter and my sweet cook and I would listen to the trials and
tribulations of the Bauer family.
Oh, yes! Hidden Staircase was the best. I had forgotten.
Leslie -- Hope your survived the storms in Alabama. From the news reports we
get, you had a wallop.
Roe -- Laughing about your personality disorder. I'm going to try the test
one more time and see if it will score me. Will report back.
Cissie
Subject: Re: Misc..
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 12:03 AM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041004035300.AAA24102@ladder01.news.aol.com>
There are three Carole: Keirsey Character Sorter Keirsey Temperament
Sorter A Brief Description of the Enneagram I should read all the types and
see if I can figure you out, SIS!
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: Early Reading
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 12:23 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041004230700.AAA00160@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dear Sally,
I have to laugh when you ask if anyone read "True Love" or "True Romances".
Well, another true confession. In our home we were taught that you read good
books an not trash. A magazine of the above title was never, ever allowed in
our house!!! Since I was caught Shoplifting at 10 felt I really did not want
to spend the next 5 or 6 years on restriction.!!! When I finally read one of
those romances I thought it was the no brainer of all times. "I
fell in love behind the barn", or some other stupid title.
Growing up was not the easiest thing I ever did but it sure was interesting.
When the teacher left the room on her return the eraser I was throwing hit
her!!! Of course, not on purpose. Or, my football broke the church window
and the Priest brought me home and I had to pay for the window. All my
friends had run away. It never mattered I got caught every time!!! Not a bad
kid, just got in alot of trouble.
In spite of all the stuff, I was a very good student and had alot of fun.
Nancy Drew's "The Hidden Staircase" was my favorite. Read every Bobsey twin
book. NRK 18/Nancy help me out. The older twins were Bert and Nan. What
names were the younger twins?
We used to listen to "Grand Central Station" on Saturday mornings. My older
sister bossed us around while we did our Saturday chores. I visioned the
train went right through the main waiting room. The first time I went to NYC
I was 17 years old. My Sister met me and we went to I think you spell it
"Shraffts for lunch.
Lordy, all those memories. Sure am dating myself.
Regards,
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Is Steve Case the Devil?
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 12:34 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041004341100.AAA29208@ladder01.news.aol.com>
WELCOME BACK LUIGI ALVA -
You have been missed. Working out a way to get to NYC on the 27th and sure
hope your will be there. I plan to bring my shoes with bells on AND my not
so Maine accent.
I can hardly wait. See you soon. Bye the way, did you make a reservation to
spend your time in the Men's Room with your Laptop? Just checking.
Regards,
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Early Reading
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 12:38 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041004380300.AAA29841@ladder01.news.aol.com>
The younger twins were Flossy and Freddy.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: More Enneagram stuff
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 01:54 AM EDT
From: ShanOD
Message-id: <1998041005542401.BAA13065@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Here are two more links to Ennegram info, and maybe more helpful than the
extremes you've been finding on the Keirsey enneagram enneagram explanation
and then if you just want to have some fun... try this one! Online IQ Test
Shannon
an ENFP who can fake a J if she has to.... (one of my volunteer teachers
once asked if she could come to my office and learn my "organizational
system." I laughed. I work like God does, out of chaos! I do remember what
color a particular announcement was printed on, but that's IT. For the
teachers, I always do things on colored paper.)
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 01:59 AM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998041005595701.BAA11055@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cheef - I do remember Cherry Ames who made me want to be a nurse, too. I had
a daydream about training at an Episcopal hospital in San Francisco - it was
a wonderful daydream.
I wrote a nice Petition today in which I managed to use the words
foreshadowing and alacrity - I was very pleased with myself. Even for the
court I feel we should be entertaining.
MariLu - I will remember the law of self sacrifice. There's a lot of truth
in that (but, of course, I think I'M the tiger, so I don't worry too much)
Karin - thanks for the recommendation. I usually love books like that. I'll
look for it.
Miss Sally - I particularly remember (on the radio) Armstrong Circle Theater
and some program that played all the operettas. I can see every song in The
Student Prince and Desert Song to this day. And baseball, of course - every
baseball game for the Dodgers, the Giants and the Yankees, but particularly
the Dodgers.
DH took the test, too, and he's an 8 with a 7 wing as well - I'm not
surprised but I'll never figure out how we've gotten along all these 34 years
when we're both so domineering. What's odd is that we were both born 8's in
numerology terms.
RuthAlice - I'm a book collector and a reader without being a 5 - there must
be more individually defining traits for you - perhaps they have bossy book
collectors and unbossy book collectors?
Really, really sleepy tonight - but it was fun reading the posts, as usual -
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Barry Manilow
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:21 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041006213601.CAA13438@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancele--Barry MANILOW??? But I still love you. ("I write the songs that
make the whole world puke...." Something like that, wasn't it?) But some
opera really sets my teeth a'grating, I'l admit. They don't call it Uproar
for nothing.
Truce? Truce.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Early Reading
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:29 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041006291001.CAA16813@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh, Miss Sally, I'm with you. The Hidden Staircase was the best! Every time
I read it I was no less terrified by the archvillain, Nathan Gombet. Chills
and squeals! who knows how many times I read that one. My parents must have
gotten rid of all of my NDs but I saved my DD's, all neatly boxed along with
all her Agatha Christies that she read the summer she turned 13 and we spent
2 1/2
months in Europe. Not sure she saw any scenery but she did plow through her
Agathas. If this is Tuesday it must be Ten Little Indians.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:39 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041006392701.CAA15066@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Radio programs I loved: "A Date with Judy" (remember her friend Fuffy
Adams?); "Henry Aldrich"; "Beulah" (I wonder how that would fly today); the
Sunday (Saturday?) afternoon terrors; "Sgt. Preston of the Yukon"; "Amos and
Andy" (another "I wonder")--and when I was home sick I loved listening to the
soap operas, particularly "Helen Trent." Major sponsor was Duz. "Duz (pause
pause) does everything!" Damn, I'm old!
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Holidays
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:42 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041006420101.CAA17956@ladder03.news.aol.com>
If you celebrate Passover or Easter, I hope your holiday is wonderful. It's
not often that Passover coincides with Good Friday and the Last Supper. If
you celebrate neither, I hope your weekend is peaceful and enjoyable.
When I grow up I want to be the Eternal Harbinger of Spring. Is that job
taken?
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Cracking-up Time
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:54 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041006543301.CAA16335@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Just to give you the headlines re: DS's upcoming wedding. Ten days ago the
inn the kids had booked in Kennebunkport called to tell them they had screwed
up and given the guest rooms to the next night's wedding party--after
assuring them they could have the whole place. The general manager was also
a rude, abrasive pig. The kids had bad vibes and wanted out of the place and
will get some damages. So Kim's parents have been scrambling around
all week to find a private house for rent on the ocean. They kept taking
photos and FedExing them to Jonathan and Kim. OK. Found a beautiful
Victorian. Good. Progress. Got caterer. Got florist. Had band and
photographer. Got tent, light, heaters, you know all the details.
J&K wanted the daughter of my oldest friend to do their invitations. She's
incredibly creative and her invitations are unique masterpieces. Kim was
flexible but my DS had certain ideas in that cement head of his--the
invitations will be spectacular and one of a kind--but poor Erin, the
creator, is leaving in a week and we got the address of the wedding locale
only yesterday. She's giving them the invitations as her wedding present!
She's so good
natured about this, but it's a major project.
I don't even drink but Kim's mother and I made a pact today that we're going
to get drunk when we get together in Maine and this is all over. (Mary
Coral, we may dance on the tables, too.) Also, I'm putting together a
lobster bake for the post-coital night (instead of a rehearsal dinner) and if
Sprint wants to know why there are 10 long phone calls a day between our
house and Maine, I've got the answer.
OK, I'm all better. Just needed to vent. It was either that or a primal
scream and since DH is sleeping,I thought this was the better choice. You
can ignore this whole post. Just needed to get it down on paper.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Memory Lane
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:59 AM EDT
From: Goodreader
Message-id: <1998041006595001.CAA16747@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I read both Nancy Drew and Judy Bolton mysteries, when I was around 11-12
years old. I would save my allowance to buy the latest Nancy Drew book, and
eagerly awaited each new volume. I loved how the books looked, all lined up
on my bookshelf, with their bright yellow spines.
My brother read the Hardy Boys series. We often traded the books back and
forth. He said that he enjoyed reading the Nancy Drew series, just as I
enjoyed the Hardy Boys. I had a crush on Joe Hardy...perhaps my brother had
a crush on Nancy Drew? LOL
The Judy Bolton books were a gift from a neighbor, an old woman, who knew of
my love for mysteries. The Judy Bolton books were old and a bit musty, but I
loved them anyway. I believe they were written in the 1920's, but I am not
certain. Does anyone here know?
Later on, my daughters read Nancy Drew also, however these were "the New
Nancy Drew". I didn't like them as much as the originals, but my daughters
were hooked on them. They also enjoyed the "Choose Your Own Adventure"
series of books, which could have amusing results and surprise endings.
I wasn't around for the old radio shows, but I used to listen to my parents
talk about them. Shows such as "The Shadow" and "Fibber Magee and Molly". I
wish I could have heard them myself. One Halloween, the local radio station
played "The War of the Worlds" by Orson Welles. I can well imagine how that
show must have scared people silly back when it originally aired.
~ Jo Anne in San Jose
"Until I feared I would lose it, I never loved to read. One does not love
breathing." - Harper Lee
Subject: Glory Hallelujah
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 07:06 AM EDT
From: Spmfans
Message-id: <1998041011061901.HAA29933@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dearest Nookers:
At 12:00 pm, April 6, 1998, Steve Martini's latest work of fiction, "Critical
Mass" was dropped off to the local Federal Express office with combined
curses and tears of joy. Pub date is September.
During the last week of this book project Steve managed to write and I
managed to edit over 100 pages of a 601 page manuscript. We cancelled our
scheduled trip to Vancouver, BC to celebrate our 22nd wedding anniversary, so
we could ship this puppy outta here (it's only a YEAR late). Working on 4
hours sleep a night for 6 nights running, we got a little bleary-eyed. At
about 2:00 one of those mornings when we were supposed to be in Vancouver,
Steve
stumbled into my study, looked lovingly into the eyes of his bride of 22
years and said, "I sure know how to show a girl a good time!"
Who says romance is dead.
Next work in progress - "Leah Passing Out"
For the first time in 10 years, Steve Martini has no contract with a
publisher for a book. For a month or two, we own our souls. It's a nice
feeling.
Off for a much-needed week's vacation - then I'll be back and TRY to catch up
with this prolific group.
IDEA!!! Next book I think I'll assign everybody a chapter to write, and then
put it all together and see what we get. The folks at Bee's should be great
at this.
TTFN
Leah, Queen of Spam
Subject: Re: Writers we'd like to see back in print
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 07:11 AM EDT
From: Spmfans
Message-id: <1998041011112800.HAA27514@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Kat -
Amazon.com has a search service where they find out-of-print books for you.
I've used it extensively. It sometimes takes a while - but it's worth it.
One of the sites I visit is Antiquarian Booksellers, who found The Travels of
Jamie McPheeters for me. I also got a copy of Trigger Berg and the Sacred Pig
- a book my mother read to us when we all had the measels. I read it to my
daughter - who enjoyed it just as much as I did as a child.
Leah
Subject: Re: Question about JFK Airport
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 07:54 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041011540901.HAA02846@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU MEET IN THE BAGGAGE RETRIEVAL AREA - EACH AIRLINE
DROPS ITS BAGGAGE THERE - & YOU CAN GO TO THE PARTICULAR ONE - NUMBERED -
WHERE YOUR BAGGAGE ARRIVES. IF YOU ARE BOTH CARRYING ON & HAVE NO BAGGAGE,
THEN YOU MIGHT WANT TO FOLLOW THE SIGNS & GO DIRECTLY TO WHERE ALL THE TAXIS
LINE UP AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
COUNTING DOWN -----
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 07:58 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041011585901.HAA03180@ladder03.news.aol.com>
YOU can't be old, because I remember all this stuff & I'm just a babe!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Take your pick---
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 08:06 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041012063801.IAA03730@ladder03.news.aol.com>
HAPPY EASTER
HAPPY PASSOVER
HAPPY SPRING
-----JUST BE HAPPY!
Off for an annual doc's appointment - the kind you love to have over. I call
it the peek-a-boo special. My innards are growling as I have fasted - but
will gurgle appropriately because unless I swallow tanks of water I have been
known to refuse to give the blood samples easily. The last time I went,
right after a tennis match, there was no blood to be found - they even tried
the backs of my hands. I can be real stingy (when it's MY blood!)
I wonder if I am going to be ready by 6 pm - maybe we can hold the
traditional Seder tomorrow instead? I have a list - bring out & wash all the
dishes, make the stuffing & stuff the turkey, set the table, find all the
Passover things where I packed them, pick up a few last minute items at the
store, make the vegetable dishes, make the matzoh balls & fly them - I do it
every time - only because it works. Tomorrow I will be wiped out.
Off for another day of fun in the kitchen - oh my aching feet!
The Maniac in a Panic
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Early Reading
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 09:00 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041013002000.JAA08534@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Need to check this out later and will answer. Momentarily we're off to do
some food shopping. I can't imagine how I left this chore for the morning of
our holiday - the stores will be maddening but Bruce offered to come along to
find parking and then loading the car. Considering I'm not making the
holiday and we're only three people how much can I buy, he asks.
Jayne- I see that Cheef already answered about the Bobsy Twins. But I did
want to mention that the restaurant is Schrafft's> Thats the way I remember
its spelled. I don't think any of them are left. Wow--- that is some memory
for me too-shopping with my mom and then having lunch at the one on Fifth
Avenue.
Mari Lu - afraid that neither Bruce no I can help you out MariLu on where to
meet up at Kennedy Airport. Now that we live in NJ, if we can't fly out of
Newark, we don't go. LOL
Judela - you weren't suppose to read my message about my musical taste. Yeah
I do like Barry - saw him at the Garden State Arts Center a number of years
ago and thought he put on some show. Do ya think that liking him and reading
romance books really puts me in your doghouse?
Speaking of which did anybody see the Seinfeld episode last night called The
Book Store. I taped it but Bruce said that the store they used was
Brentano's and not B&N. Score a ten for Jerry and the writers of this show
for their choice.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 09:19 AM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998041013202701.JAA07947@ladder01.news.aol.com>
How about the Ramona series. Has anybody read the Ruppert series - Trouble
for Ruppert, Double Trouble for Ruppert?
I just found out I am a genius. I took the following iq test. So if I'm so
smart, why ain't I rich? edg@iqtest.com
Subject: Sue Barton, Student Nurse
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 09:42 AM EDT
From: ShanOD
Message-id: <1998041013423801.JAA13197@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I never read the Cherry Ames series. In my local library, it was Sue Barton
(on a bottom shelf, and I read every one). I think along with Nancy Drew and
the Bobbsey Twins, that's where I got my start reading a whole series of
books, or all the books by one author. And some days, I just wonder whatever
happened to Hannah Gruen. <g> Anyone remember her?
Shannon
Subject: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:12 AM EDT
From: CATZERS
Message-id: <1998041014122801.KAA14088@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Many memories of favorite radio and TV shows and a few movies...
Young Dr. Malone
Just Plain Bill
I Remember Mama (always a few tears with this one)
Playhouse 90
I Led Three Lives
Highway Patrol
The Lone Ranger
The Red Skelton Show (Clem Kadiddlehopper and Freddy The Freeloader)
I Married Joan
Mildred Pierce
The Farmer's Daughter
Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo
The Glenn Miller Story (an all-time fave)
Little Women (the original movie with June Allyson--I thought it was so
'daring' to mimic her saying "Christopher Columbus"!)
I'm probably think of more soon as I sign off.
CATZERS
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:58 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041014583600.KAA22967@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Before the June Allyson Little Women, there was the Katherine Hepburn Little
Women, with Joan Bennet as Amy. Katherine's ringing "Christopher Columbus!!!"
is a classic.
Doesn't anyone here remember Inner Sanctum, with the squeaking door?
And Big John and Sparky with No School Today??
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 11:07 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041015070301.LAA24101@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Don't remember the title of this but I also remember the one where Gertrude
Berg ( A Majority of One) would lean out of the window and say, "Yoo hoo,
Mrs. Goldberg." Also adding The US Steel Hour and the Howdy Doody show.
Anybody remember Winky Dink which required a special plastic sheet one put on
the tv and then children used crayons to add to the story. it was taken off
the air when children began drawing only on the screen.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Geezer Days
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 01:02 PM EDT
From: Avidca6
Message-id: <1998041017023501.NAA07468@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Winky Dink!! Nancy, I have not thought of that show for years!! I had the
special screen, too.
I used to listen to a Saturday morning radio show sponsored by Buster Brown
shoes -- and my dog Tide! At one point the announcer would ask if we had
made our beds, and my mom said I would scurry in to my room to make sure the
bed was made.
Once she came home from a meeting to find me lying in bed afraid to go to
sleep. My dad had listened to "the squeeking door" with me, and I was scared
stiff. What a great feeling.
My dad was a great lover of the old west. Actually, he wasn't too far
removed from it. anyway, besides reading my mother's Agatha Christies, I
also read his Zane Greys. I remember trying to understand the setting
because I had never seen buttes or prairies.
Thanks for this strand. It brings back great memories.
Melinda in California's Central Valley - reading Chasing Cezanne
The soul should always stand ajar, ready to welcome the ecstatic experience.
- Emily Dickinson
Subject: Re: Sue Barton, Student Nurse
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:00 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041018004801.OAA15825@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shannon--Of course I remember Hannah Gruen. She raised Nancy since N's
mother died when Nancy was a tot. And how about the father, Carson Drew,
lawyer extraordinnaire? Every time Nancy would get pulled over by a cop for
speeding in her "roadster" to the scene of some crime, she would hand over
her license and the cop would say, "Drew? Are you the daughter of Carson
Drew, the lawyer?!" and then let her off. I think we need to investigate
Carson's dealings with the police dept. in their town. Did the town have a
name? Ned Nickerson was the boyfriend (but Nancy wore the pants) and I
wonder if George was just meant to be a tomboy type or if she was a lesbian.
That would have been pretty chancy to imply that way back then, especially in
books for children.
I always wondered how nancy was lucky enough to solve one mystery and
immediately be confronted by anouther. I used to yearn to encounter just one
puny mystery and would sit around and "spy" on people who were usually doing
nothing much more furtive than throwing our their trash or walking to the bus
stop.
Some people have all the luck.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:05 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041018052101.OAA19237@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Catzers--thanks for reminding me of all those shows. Does anyone remember
(drumroll) "Captain VIDEO"! For years I was convinced that the archvillain,
Dr. Pauly, hung out under my bed. I could never walk up to my bed and get
in. I always had to take a flying leap so he wouldn't grab an ankle and pull
me under. If we didn't have a waterbed, I'd probably still be doing it!
They'd always have his
face fill the screen as he leered in some pseudo-Eastern European accent, "I
em Doctair Pauly!"
Frisson time, even now. LOL.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:06 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041018064800.OAA16694@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Big John and Sparky! Yes, Cheef! Saturday mornings. Loved the theme song,
"The Teddy Bears' Picnic."
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:09 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041018092700.OAA19869@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Sure, Nancy--I think it was called "The Goldbergs." Pretty chancy in those
McCarthy days, no? But the show was on for years. I can still hum the theme
song. Da, dahdahdahdah dahdahdahdah dahdahdah. See? You recognized it right
away, didn't you?
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:09 PM EDT
From: CKoucky
Message-id: <1998041018094801.OAA17168@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Happy Easter and Happy Passover.
Sure do remember Inner Sanctum. My mother and sister and I would gather in
the den and listen. Don't think I would have listened alone. Also listened
to Don Winslow of the Navy when I got home from school. I AM old. It used to
give me nightmares about octopuses or is it octopusi. LOL
MariLu: Murphy's Law LOL
Jan: Really loved the Richard Halliburton books but when we cleaned out the
family house they were not to be found. Would still like to own them.
A book I just loved about India was Crane's Morning by Indrani
Aikath-Gyalthen. It's probably out of print and I understand that she has
since died aothough quite young.It's one I would like to own but couldn't
find it
Welcome back Warren: Good luck with aol. I have 3.0 and they still deleted
all my mail. It would be nice if they would forwarn you if they were
cleaning house. Last night I couldn't even get the sign-on screen to come
on. Grrrr!!!
Just finished Cold Mountain--wonderful but now what. Seeing as several are
reading Alias Grace maybe that will be next.
Pat
Subject: Re: Geezer Days
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 02:11 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041018113600.OAA20170@ladder03.news.aol.com>
OK, conjugate with me the verb "to be old":
I be old.
You be old.
We all be old.
Some of us be older than others.
Methuselah and I went to different schools together.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 03:01 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041019015801.PAA24660@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Played by none other than Gilhooley Mahoney and his Leprechaun Marching Band.
How about "Ming the Merciless?"
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 03:09 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998041019093800.PAA25750@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Remember ---
The Merry Mailman
Terrytoon (?) Circus
The Sandy Becker Show
The Liberace tv show
The Naked City - I was afraid of this show for some reason. I think it was
the music.
The Lorretta Young Show
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 03:46 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041019462900.PAA04089@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Or Captain Midnight (with a stupid sidekick) and a marvelous decoder, show
sponsored by Ovaltine
The Buster Brown Show with the dog Ty who lived in the shoe too and Midnight
the cat.. plus Froggie punching his magic twanger! LOL...sponsored by ,
guess who? Why, Buster Brown Shoes, of course
Edward R. Murrow- was it, You are There?
This is Your Life
Sid Caesar and Imogene Coca?
Wild Bill H. and Jingles ( My DH still has his Marshal's badge)
Art Linkletter and Arthur Godfrey
Queen for a Day, Beat the Clock, Name That Tune
Omnibus
Charlie McArthy and Edgar Bergen, sponsored by those girls wearing Pall Mall
or Chesterfield costumes, dancing around in cigarette boxes.
And Howdy Doody was sponsored by Kelloggs. I ordered a Snap, Crackle or Pop
Ring which made the little rubber face contort when you turned the dial. (
It never arrived)
This is a great game. Thanks All.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 03:56 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041019565601.PAA05603@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Attempting to catch up appears futile, but my plan is to dig into about
twenty percent of the backlog every time Good Friday and the first evening of
Passover coincide.
My first twenty percent involved reading three hundred posts about
right and wrong, good and evil, up and down, left and right, good and plenty
and gun control plus a few assorted party snacks. Mama mia- leave you
people alone for five minutes!!
Well, I'll get back to all that, but first some housecleaning:
1) I am glad to be semi-back, and hope to slowly evolve into fully-back. I
thank ALL for their kind words and concerns. My health is pretty dang good.
My gullet is just about healed up, and the hip is the hip. And, no I am not
now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Communist Party or really
planning to go to Germany for a hip replacement. As I asked Fair Judi, would
you to go Germany for a hip replacement? Well, assuming you needed a hip
job. Of course not. This leads me to the world of publishing.
2) Meine deutsche Frau, ever since the Bertelsmann Anschluss with Random
House has been floating around unser Haus musing aloud -- "Today Random
House, tomorrow …….." Just when it was getting really funny-wacky in the
publishing world again, now it is getting scary too. I have suggested the
building of a Maginot Line around Warner Books because - heck - it worked
so well for the French. Actually, I am hoping, as obviously were my
Newhouse family friends, that someone, anyone, would come and cart the
book -- you should forgive me -- business away.
You know God does work in mysterious ways. My being
incapacitated, and otherwise tied-up, is the only thing that saved this Board
from about fifty-thousand words on book publishing, and another ten-
thousand on asteroids. If I could just get an asteroid to hit the book
business I
could achieve two life dreams in one big bang. OK -- I will contain myself.
Have to move on. Life is short just like Mickey Rooney, but --- I have to
say
one thing about this book stuff.
I know of no topic which attracts more pure gibberish press reporting
and commentary than book publishing, and man that is saying something.
There is a universally-expressed fear that the continued concentration of the
book publishing business into the hands of a few ever-growing media giants,
the Time Warner aggregation of saints being one, is a peril to authors,
publishing diversity and the very living-soul of the book world. Phooey!
In the last five years, trade book sales in the United States have
steadily dropped. Retail book shelf space and books printed have increased
over the same period a couple hundred percent. Let's add this up. Take a
business that at the start of a five-year period is, at best, marginally
profitable, and with a return on investment that would not meet many
companys' hurdle rates for a new investment. Now throw in five years with
decreasing sales and the simultaneous enormity of compounding double-digit
book printing growth. Book sales down -- book production way up --- hey, I
wonder what's happening to book returns and profits? Did he say profits?
The good news, to date, for authors everywhere is that big stupid book
publishers are owned by bigger, stupider media companies, of which the
bright, saintly Time Warner aggregation of huge craniums with halos is - of
course - a notable exception, which can afford to lose tens of millions of
dollars continually without being motivated to fix or dispose of the problem.
If big book publishing in the US were still dominated largely by privately-
owned companies, today's situation could never have developed because
these companies, without access to a rich parent's resources, would have
gone belly-up years ago. I love books. I love authors. However, as a business
matter there are too many books being published, way too many being
printed, and too many, big non-refundable advances being made to
authors. If reporters and authors would lay their self-interests aside while
they
think this through they will see the real growing peril. Why would the
Newhouse family dispose of America's premier book publisher, in a taxable
transaction no less -- UHG!, for a not very impressive price? It isn't all
that
hard to figure out. I'll give you a hint. It has nothing to do with estate
planning. I'll give you another hint - what do you do on a sinking ship?
**************
2) Quick note on RuthAlice's Executive Director -- (RuthAlice -- you
Svenska Flicka softy you.) Let's see --- Executive Director --Really lovely
lady
who several times a week goes on out-of-control, hour-long
tirades in which she lambastes colleagues and staff up one side and down
the other. OK -- now I just have to figure out which of my files to store
this
tidbit in: a) Jack the Ripper had occasional lapses in judgment,
2) Stalin was one damn, good ballroom dancer, or 3) How bad biorhythms
finally got to Ted Bundy.
***********************
3) Absolute right and wrong -- Tired or not, as always, it was, and is a
pleasure to read through posts on this Board on such topics. Opinions,
experiences and beliefs are diverse, but two continuing threads always tie
the
posts together: civility and solid thought. I know I am late to the game, and
I have
already worn out my welcome with my uncontrolled publishing thing-a-mijig,
but I would like to say a few things about this issue of absolute right and
wrong.
I think that when people talk about absolute right and wrong they
generally are referring to one of two concepts. Just for discussion let me
call
these the: 1) black and white, and 2) transcendent issues. If I followed the
posts correctly, I gather that the discussion here had its origin in John
Gilstrap's post. I am not sure what exactly John meant by absolute right;
however, it is clear that most people took his meaning to be of the black and
white variety. Or at least that is what most of the subsequent posts were
about.
The black and white ("B+W") question, if not the answer, is clear.
Given any set of circumstances is x always wrong, and y always right? Is
lying always wrong? Is stealing always wrong? RuthAlice gives some
Gedanken that Jennie would have liked that state a view I share. In fact,
once
you slow up and think about it and create a dozen or so gedanken, it is a
view
hard not to share. That is to say, for example, can lying be wrong if telling
the
truth to evil interrogators will see innocent people slaughtered? Don't we
really mean that lying, and stealing, etc. are generally in most normal
situations wrong? I think so. Black and white is not an adult world. The
complexity of situations and our ability to discern and evaluate conflicting
"rights" and overlapping "wrongs" is the adult world.
Unfortunately, the child's world is black and white. Is taking a handful
of vitamin pills wrong? No. Is the same act in front of your small children
wrong? Perhaps, if in their world without abstractions and subtle
distinctions
that act puts them in greater peril of thinking that taking pills, taking
medications, taking drugs is OK. "My Mom, my Dad are always popping
pills." Yes, you know the pills are vitamins and there is a world of
difference.
What do they know? Are you sure? Adults have freedoms, rights that they
frequently curtail or self-abridge not to send mixed messages to their
children.
And, quite often, adults inadvertently give their children the type of mixed
messages that Judi and others pointed out.
Interestingly, or uninterestingly, enough the black and white question
of "right" is what led me to select Semi-Stable Anarchy as the official form
of
Fredonian Government and Law. It's a fact. Check the Ruth archives. Just in
the event I ever opened up a real country, I thought through years ago how I
would establish laws. I finally settled on a theory of law following the
principal of balance beam, teeter-totter anarchy. It's very simple.
Total anarchy should reign. There should be no restriction on anyone's
right to do whatever the heck he or she wanted. However, this produces a
logical problem. While I like the mutually-exclusive in science it can not
exist
in the daily operation of rights. That is to say you can not have an
unabridged
right to live if I have an unfettered right to kill you. This is a problem. I
put
right to live and right to murder on the teeter-totter, and I have to tilt
this thing
one way or the other. I find myself unable to establish anarchy without
establishing minimal laws to resolve rights in conflict. And so the founding
principal behind Semi-stable Anarchy is that we endure laws as a necessary
logical imperative only to the extent necessary to prioritize rights in
conflict.
Someone has to decide if your right to live is superior or inferior to my
right
to kill you. That one is easy. Your right to live must reign, ergo murder is
reluctantly outlawed. This get harder as you go through a hundred or so
rights, and real hard when you make the issues complex and multi-layered.
Since this is my imaginary country, one thing I decided under the principal
of
cuius regio eius religio - he who rules gets to pick the religion -- is that
the
passive inertial right always reigns. You do not have to do anything to be
alive. I have to do something to kill you. You win. You started with clean
air
and water. I have to do something to foul it up. You win. (That reminds me,
as a total aside, I almost crashed yesterday when on the radio sports report
Warner Wolf said --"If you took Pharaoh and nine plagues -- you lost!!)
Anyhow, know you know why Fredonia has Semi-Stable Anarchy for its form
of government, and you even have a vague idea of what that means. You still
have no idea what ever motivated me to spend a lot of time, once upon a
time, thinking this throw for no apparent useful purpose. Actually it was the
lack of it having any useful purpose that motivated me most.
On to, I think, the most important part of this whole thing. Absolute
right - the transcendent question. RuthAlice talked about Kohlberg's theory
of
moral development, which in many ways is a good, and thought-provoking
way at looking how the content and meaning of right and wrong changes, on
average, for people as they grow. However, the Kohlberg explication also
made me grin, as it reminded me, once again, that only social scientists
talking about moral development or Bill Moyers doing a PBS show about the
hymn Amazing Grace could perform these feats without mentioning God, any
God. It ain't easy. Try it.
Is it always wrong to lie? What I have neatly avoided to this point,
what most of the posts skirted, is much more fundamental than the black and
white issue of absolute right. The B+W inquiry asks is lying always wrong?
The transcendent inquiry into absolute right asks what does it mean to be
right or wrong. My theory of laws, Semi-stable anarchy, most of the board
postings on right and wrong are all based on one form or another of social
contract. The King or the Legislature of the public or the commune or the
household or whatever decide, explicitly or tacitly, what serves the
interests
of the particular commonweal that interests them -- and that becomes right.
For some the point of interest only extends a milligram beyond their own
nose, for some the commonweal of interest is as spherical as the globe or as
expansive as the universe.
But there is a problem here. Assume the world is inhabited by one
million people. Two have brown eyes, the rest green. The green eyes decide
to a man and woman that the two deviants have to depart this earthly realm.
There is no debate, not a scintilla of doubt anywhere. Well except for the
two
brown-eyes guys who have their doubts about the coming hanging at dawn.
This earth is it. There ain't no life anywhere else, at least none that we
know
about. So killing the two brownies must be right. You think no? We have to
protect the minority or something? Who says so? OK. I'll make it harder.
Everyone, including the two brown-eye deviants are green-eye religious
fanatics. Everyone on the planet thinks the brownies must die, and the
brownies are shouting -- "amen". This has got to be right. No?
Well a lot of people have talked about this type of moral problem, but,
in my view, no one said it better or simpler than C.S. Lewis. If you say NO
it
is wrong, then I tell you are making an appeal to some transcendent sense of
right and wrong written on the wind. What do you mean it is wrong? If there
is no transcendent law, no transcendent law giver of some sort, than the most
you can tell me about the hanging of the brownies is that it displeases you.
That you do not like it. If you insist on telling me it is WRONG, then I will
insist on your telling me just what the heck you think that means. C.S.
Lewis,
among others, contended, and I whole heartedly agree, that as a matter of
logic if there is no transcendent right and wrong given from without than the
most you can say about any action is the it is illegal or displeases you
greatly.
C.S. Lewis further proclaimed that our constant universal appeals to things
being
right or wrong, good and evil stood as a proof for "a God", maybe not your
type of
God but some God. Hitler's actions, the holocaust, was a monstrous evil.
Why? Because most of us think so? Suppose it was quite OK with most of us.
How about all of us except you? If every last person person in the universe
thought the holocaust was ookey-doakey you would still be screaming to the
heavens about this monstrous evil. So would I - thank goodness.
And the heavens would be the proper place to scream such a proclamation
because, if we are it - folks, I am afraid right and wrong, good and evil are
mere
social contracts, and they are contracts were we describe clauses that we do
not like as evil or wrong. And that is all evil and wrong would mean.
Sometimes when someone says they believe in absolute right they are
proclaiming a belief that some things are right or wrong because they just
ARE,
not because we think them to be. That view of absolute right says that good
and evil are not, in the final analysis, determined by popularity contests,
public referendums or even unanimous consent. The rules to determine them
may not be black and white. They may be complex, but beyond the mist stands
some transcendent absolute truth. Obviously, I hold firmly to this view of
absolute right, and find a world without such a transcendent sense of right
and wrong, written on the wind and residing in the human heart, a very scary
place indeed.
One last thought. A number of people talked about the roles of parents
and teachers, the examples we give, and the heartache at times from the
results
or lack of results that we see. A common thread however was the need to
teach and give examples. Some posters perhaps are surer than others in the
outcome
good training will produce. None seem to question the need. Good.
I love Rodgers and Hammerstein. South Pacific is one of my favorites. But,
despite
its constant acclaim as a song painting a great moral picture, "You have to
be
carefully taught" is dead wrong. That song proclaims the view that children,
we, people, start out with some pristine, moral slate, and then parents, and
friends,
and society teach us prejudice and fill us with wrong and evil thinking. We
start out pure as the driven snow and soot falls on us. The role of parents
and
teachers is, I guess, to put an umbrella over us, and keep the pitch from
blemishing our souls. Perhaps this is a nice fanciful view. I'm not sure
about
that. I am sure that it is wrong. No one teaches a child to lie. "Did you
take
that candy?" No one teaches a child to lie and deceive their way out of
trouble or into gain. Folks, it ain't pretty, but we come forth from the womb
with the lying, stealing, me-first apparati in full-bloom. Yes, children need
to
be carefully taught -- to tell the truth, to share and not to hog, to care
about others,
and on an on. These are the things that do not come naturally to us. We learn
them. We are taught them by people who believe it is just needed learning to
participate in the adult world's intricate social contracts, and we are
taught
them by people who believe that and also believe that God is on the throne.
But we are taught to do good -- whatever that is. We do not need to be
taught, carefully or otherwise, to do wrong.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
OK -- I'll go quietly now. There were a few more things that I wanted to
get
into, like gun control, but enough's enough. What the heck -- gun control --
all
for it. However, I think at best it is a sliver of the problem. As RuthAlice
pointed out no gun control legislation ever imagined could, would, or should
impact the type of hunting rifles used in Jonesboro. Secondly, I am for gun
control and I am for drug control. We have drug control and simultaneously a
country flooded with drugs. In NYC we have gun control, and the last
estimate that I saw from the NYPD and other sources put the number of
illegal handguns in the city at between two to three MILLION. I kid you not.
So passing laws that say they can't have em won't mean they can't get 'em. I
am for strict gun control on the "it can't hurt" theory, but, as it relates
to
juvenile violence, I think we need to be realistic as well as to how much
such
legislation would achieve.
And that's it. Honest. Good holidays to all. ……….. Warren
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 04:30 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041020304801.QAA10719@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh My,
How could I forget The Groucho Marx Show with that plucked chicken-bird
falling from the sky whenever anyone said the secret word? I remember when
Candice Bergen was an adolescent guest on the show. Murphy Brown had not
quite fully evolved at that time. <G>
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Cracking-up Time
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 04:38 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998041020381100.QAA11805@ladder03.news.aol.com>
You're so well organized, Judi - what a great wedding it's going to be. I
love the idea of a lobster bake for the rehearsal dinner.
I took the test, Merc, and I'm not a genius - sigh.
Melinda - Zane Gray - now that brings back memories. Riders of the Purple
Plain. I wonder how it holds up now? He started a long time interest in the
old west for me and for years I read everything I could find - The Civil War,
The James Brothers, Billy the Kid, The Younger Brothers - the Lincoln County
Range wars. Once we were driving across New Mexico I think - a little sign
pointed the way to Billy the Kid's grave and I forced (I'm not the
boss for nothing) the whole family to take this 5 mile detour down a little
road all alone out in the middle of the desert. When we got there, it was
closed - looked like it was closed forever - but we all climbed the wall and
went in. There was a wooden cross (I think - CRS) that said "William Bonney"
"Billy the Kid" "21 years 21 men" - Not so romantic in our day and age. The
family loved it.
Must get busy on Easter dinner - it would be fun to be Queen for a Day,
wouldn't it?
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Genius
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 04:40 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998041020403000.QAA12153@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Merc - they sent me a message from the test - I'm a genius, too!!! Bet
everyone here is.
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Why I thought there would be lots of 5s in Book Nook
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 04:53 PM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998041020532301.QAA14117@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I thought I would share this quote from Personality Types by Don Richard Riso
and Russ Hudson
......way into the five explanation.....
Fives are typically bookish. They haunt bookstores, libraries and
coffeehouses catering to intellectuals who discuss politics fillms and
literature far into the night......and though they will spend money to obtain
whatever tools they need to pursue their intellectual interests
[books]...fives are usually loath to spend money ont hemselves or their own
comfort becuase they identify with their minds and their imaginations.....
and it goes on.....fives predilection for collecting can comvine with their
desire to specialize i surprising ways....collecting all Beethoven symphonies
played by different orchestras, all the books of one author, etc. etc.
having books they haven't had time to read....
So there I am picturing our collecting TBR mountain range that rivals the
himalayas...and thinking we are all fives...............
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 05:58 PM EDT
From: Bonadie
Message-id: <1998041021582000.RAA21501@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I wish I had gotten in on this thread earlier, but does anyone remember the
Trixie Belden series? I read those along with Nancy Drew, but Trixie was my
favorite. I can remember begging my parents to buy the newest ones when we
visited the only place that carried them, Garwood Mills (AKA "Garbage's") in
the Atlantic City area. I loved curly-haired Trixie and her rich best friend
(would that we all had one of *those*) and Trixie's boyfriend,
the best friend's adopted brother, older and hunky Jim, (would that we all
had one of those too!!!).
I LOL'd at the poster who wrote about "spying" on everyday people. I
didn't quite go that far but I can relate!!!!
--Carol
Carol
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 06:02 PM EDT
From: Bonadie
Message-id: <1998041022020400.SAA22118@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Merc,
You mentioned TV show music that scared you (Naked City). To this DAY, I
cannot listen to the intro to Perry Mason or Alfred Hitchcock. Especially if
I happen on them late at night. They send chills right through me.
--Carol
Carol
Subject: Programs and Types
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 06:14 PM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998041022145300.SAA24077@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Here's a program that no one has mentioned--Bobby Benson and the B-Bar-B
Riders--or was that a Southern thing? And Superman--especially the program
where the mummy came after Superman--he went very slowly--PLOM--PLOM--PLOM.
He went slowly, but he never stopped. That meant that he was still going
while I was sleeping. Had many nights I had trouble going to sleep.
Well, it appears that I, too, am a bossy 8--I am sure that is no surprise to
those near and dear to me. I am also an ENFP, but Roe, I have changed from a
feeler to a thinker over the years, so you are not the only one on that cusp.
I'm pretty sure that I do not like all that they have to say about being an
8, but I am afraid it fits. And RuthAlice, we would all appreciate it if you
would not wallow so much in being a refined book-loving esthete
while us'n eights go to war over who is the most powerful--I think mud
wrasslin' might be appropriate! Now that I have found out what a power
broker I am, I am afraid to take the IQ test to find out why I CRS all the
time.
Judi, I am anxious to hear your story after the wedding of the year, and I
want to tell you that I will be disappointed if you DO NOT dance on the
table. I can guarantee it is a new experience doing it sober. And do not
forget to do the dirty bop!
I am headed to the beach for a week on Monday and was thinking of taking DD's
portable computer with me. How do I know if it will work, all you Computer
geniuses?
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 06:44 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998041022440800.SAA01330@ladder03.news.aol.com>
... to those thrilling days of yesterday, when out of the past come the
thundering hoofbeats of the great horse Silver... and YES, Cheef, I remember
Inner Sanctum... had forgotten that one!
And Catzers... Don Winslow... of course... what fun this is. And how about
Let's Pretend? And has anyone mentioned Grand Central Station?
The Bobbsey Twins stories conjur memories of... frustration! I used to
stretch out on the couch with my grandmother who, at 80-something, would fall
asleep and SNORE in the middle of the BT story she was reading to me! LOL
Warren -- speaking of book publishing... but in the "control" of a German
firm... something like 23 percent! Should we be concerned?
Gotta run. More later.
Happy Easter, Happy Passover, Happy Spring to everyone.
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 07:38 PM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998041023383501.TAA09827@ladder03.news.aol.com>
And did any of the others of you read Honey Bunch books? I stayed home from
school in the second grade to read a new one of these and by the end of the
day was rushed to the hospital for an emergency appendectomy. That'll show
me.
I loved the way Loretta Young always wore that wonderful dress and moved so
gracefully through the door as the show began. I practiced that for days.
And do you remember the comic character Brenda Starr--I loved the star in her
eyes and the way she separated her long fingers so that the two middle
fingers were together and the pointer and the baby finger were apart. I
thought it was so glamorous and that it made my stubby fingers look longer.
I
used to prance through school with my hands like that--I bet I looked like a
dork!
I also remember Mary Jane and Sniffles---"Magic words of Poof, poof,
piffles--Make me just as small as Sniffles."
Have you mentioned the Eve Arden Show?
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 07:46 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041023461301.TAA11013@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Warren --It's so good to see you back on your manic pole! Thank you for
returning in all your glory and making up for lost time! You have guaranteed
that I, the consumate insomniac, will sleep tonight, because I felt obligated
as a friend and admirer to read
every------last---------word--------you-------wrote, and I am exhausted! I
never knew morality could
be so complex, or that I was a member of a Semi-Stable Anarchical government.
I truly am grateful you let me know where brown-eyed me stands in this whole
morass. Thank you, thank you, I kowtow to your supreme wisdom! I'll never
feel the same again about teaching. Now I'll go sleep to regain my energy
for another day! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Wrong Words/Gina/Luigi
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 08:10 PM EDT
From: Ludsmith
Message-id: <1998041100103401.UAA11942@ladder01.news.aol.com>
One of my friends was leaving the testing center at BYU, very happy to have
finished her finals. She screamed, "I'm so ejaculated!" Even though it has
been almost 20 years, we'll never let her forget that little faux pas.
Another roommate was trying to deny she was anything like her air-headed
sister. "We're as different as night and dark!" she declared.
Gina--Good news. It's hard to be down in bed and watch the other kids run
around. Take care!
Warren--I'm glad you're with us again and I'm glad you warned us about AOL
4.0. I almost loaded it on DH's computer today, but thought I should ask him
first (my computer crashed a few weeks ago and I didn't want to take any
chances).
Shauna from Salt Lake who is about halfway through "The Hobbit"
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 08:15 PM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998041100163901.UAA15596@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Honey Bunch.......oh yes, had forgotten those......my grandmother bought be
those for b-days and christmas..........great memories here.........and I
must say I remember almost all of those mentioned..........not
OLD........just OLDER :)
Happy Easter, Peaceful Passover to one and all.........and most of all HAPPY
SPRING!!!!!!!!!
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Re: Geezer Days
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 08:19 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041100192401.UAA13270@ladder01.news.aol.com>
JUDI--
<<I be old.
You be old.
We all be old.
Some of us be older than others.
Methuselah and I went to different schools together.>>
Speak for yourself! Between you and Warren, I'm falling down laughing. How
can I ever tell students to take adults seriously again? Oh dear, oh dear,
oh dear!
Who remembers The Whistler? And Jack Armstrong, All-American Boy? The Phil
Harris Show? Amos and Andy? The Metropolitan Opera of the Air? Sam Spade?
Flash Gordon? Stella Dallas? And who could ever forget Playhouse 90 on TV?
ROE---It's so nice to have you here to bring us all back to reality! I love
your multi-faceted personality!
AND I MAY BE AN 8, BUT I LIKE TO COLLECT BOOKS! SO THERE! Does that make me
a 5/8?
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 08:30 PM EDT
From: GILJOHN
Message-id: <1998041100303300.UAA17775@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Know what really ticks me off? I've composed and deleted at least a
half-dozen posts attempting to clarify what I meant by Absolute Right and
Wrong, but I found myself re-stating the same thoughts the same way,
essentially unable to get my arms around the larger issue I was trying to
address. Now, after all that, I realize that I only needed to write, "What
Warren said."
Except on gun control. I'm not a gun nut; not by any stretch of the
imagination. I don't hunt, and I only kill in fiction. Still, I am haunted
by that amendment to the Constitution (Is it the second?) which guarantees my
"right to keep and to bear arms." Okay, there's that conditional clause at
the beginning, but for every activist I find to tell me that it means that
only soldiers in a militia have the right to arms, I find another who will
argue the insanity of allowing ONLY soldiers and governments to arm
themselves. Frankly, I think I could argue either side pretty well, from a
strictly logical standpoint. At the end of the argument, though, we're stuck
with the words of the Constitution. When in doubt, it's incumbent upon us as
citizens to err on the side of less government interference. History tells
us that government is inherently evil -- necessary, yes, but evil if it's
allowed to run amok. What's the old saying? Absolute power corrupts
absolutely?
Fortunately, the very Constitution which creates this debate provides a very
specific mechanism by which to resolve it: We can amend the document yet
again to express exactly what we'd like it to say. But from what I can tell,
none of the anit-gun activists want to go that route because they sense that
it would fail miserably. Why? Because they fear that the majority of
Americans would refuse to surrender their ill-defined right. In a democracy,
majority rules, right?
As the world becomes more complex and confusing, we seem as a society to be
losing sight of the most basic tenet of democracy: That we are all born with
absolute freedom; that laws and governments are no more than necessary evils.
We need to be ever vigilant not to give up those rights without careful
thought not only to the common good, but to the unalienable rights of
individuals to do as they please.
Bringing this full-circle, then, we've got to be careful not to confuse the
concept of legality with the concept of Right and Wrong. Laws are the stuff
of politicians and governments, specifically designed to balance the rights
of one person or group against the rights of another (see Warren's post).
Thus, it is entirely possible that I am Right to steal to feed my family, or
even to kill the person who molests my child; but that doesn't mean that
I will not (or should not) be punished by the law for my actions.
Wow, this high-level thinking can be really exhausting...
-- John Gilstrap, author of Nathan's Run (now in paperback), and At All Costs
(due in June of '98 from Warner Books)
Subject: The Enneagram
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 08:55 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998041100561001.UAA19042@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I may never know what my score is on this test. I have taken it three times,
twice in trying to get the results I am told "it failed to load" and once AOL
bumped me off. I am going to know all 180 questions by heart at this rate.
Carol
Subject: Old radio
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 08:58 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998041100583200.UAA22207@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I'll bet no one remembers this one: It was on Saturday mornings, a zillion
years ago, and was put on by French's bird seed!! There was soft music
playing and a bunch of canaries singing their little hearts out. It went on
for a half hour but sure was pretty and soothing.
Carol
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 09:03 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998041101030001.VAA20107@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I think Buster Brown's dog name was Tige.
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 09:03 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041101030501.VAA22895@ladder03.news.aol.com>
HooBoy, Warren--I don't think I'll have the energy to lift the fork toting
gefilte fish to my mouth tonight. More's the pity.
You always make me think. As usual, it's the God part that throws me, but I
ponder your words and cannot say that you are wrong (either absolutely or
tangentially). I am worried, though. As a bluie, what does that world leave
me? Two brownies and the rest greenies. I think I'll file a class action
suit. I know a
good lawyer.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 09:08 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998041101082100.VAA20923@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol -
I was also scared of Alfred Hitchcock music - and also the Twilight Zone.
Subject: Re: The Enneagram
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 09:14 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998041101143800.VAA24718@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I'm taking the test again. I can't believe that I am an "8". I don't
consider myself courageous, confrontational or a crusader.
Either the test is wrong or I don't know myself as much I thought I did.
Subject: Misc
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 09:17 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998041101175400.VAA25249@ladder03.news.aol.com>
First, I feel very young now . . . I'm clueless about all these radio shows
you folks are talking about. It's a nice change, though . . . at work
lately, I've been feeling old, surrounded by too many just-out-of-school
people. I did read Nancy Drew when I was younger, but loved Trixie Belden a
lot more. In fact, the Trixie Belden books are still readable, whereas I
don't think Nancy Drew holds up so well. (Although, having gone to Drew
University, I suppose I'm partial to her name, at any rate!). How about the
Black Stallion series?
Second, we just got back from seeing "City of Angels." What can I tell you?
Maybe, oh . . . two stars. For a movie about angels, I thought it distinctly
lacked optimism. The angels almost never smiled during their good deeds,
they all walked silently around wearing black coats, and showed no joy in
their work. What does that say about God, that the angels look so solemn? I
prefer to think of God as a joyful Creator--and I believe it follows
that His angels would be, if not joyful themselves, at least happy! And,
gee, Nicholas Cage has such a great smile, he should have used it more. He
solemly watches Meg Ryan (with whom he's falling in love) as she goes about
her daily life--one of the reviews I read this morning said he was like a
stalker. And, I have to agree--he didn't seem to take any joy in being in
the same place as her, just stood there and watched. And, as anyone
who's seen the commercials knows, he (small spoiler here, just in case you
HAVEN't seen the ads) gives up his immortality to be mortal with her. Now,
if an angel and I were in love and he gave up Heaven to spend time on earth
here with me, I'd be surely happy to see him and grateful . . . but I'd feel
at least a wee twinge of guilt that maybe I wasn't worth that kind of
sacrifice. Meg Ryan's character just took it in stride--happy, glad to be
with
him, but no second thoughts. No qualms, however minor. It was a
beautifully-filmed movie, but it tried so hard to be touching and ethereal,
it went over the edge--the musical score, in particular was more melodramatic
than supportive. It sounded lovely, but it overwhelmed some of the delicacy
the plot had. All in all, this movie wasn't a complete waste of two hours,
but . . .
Have a very happy Easter/Passover/Spring, all! Enjoy!
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: Re: Sue Barton, Student Nurse
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 09:39 PM EDT
From: MJZ 216
Message-id: <1998041101394701.VAA28935@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Re: "Every time Nancy would get pulled over by a cop for speeding in her
"roadster" to the scene of some crime, she would hand over her license and
the cop would say, "Drew? Are you the daughter of Carson Drew, the lawyer?!"
and then let her off." Do you think this would happen today with the attitude
of the police and the public toward the police?<BG>
JoZ
mjz216
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 09:58 PM EDT
From: MJZ 216
Message-id: <1998041101583401.VAA29310@ladder01.news.aol.com>
My mother insisted on reading a chapter from the Bobbsey Twin each night
before bedtime. I hated those kids and wished the circus(They were always
running off with the circus) or the gypsies would take them and get them out
of my life. My dad took over the reading and I got Hound of the Baskervilles,
which scared me to death, but I did stay in bed and not make a sound until
sleep finally came. He also read a book that I would like to find again
about Archie the Cockroach and Mehitabel the Cat. They live in the cityroom
of a newspaper and Archie would come out at night and type messages by
jumping on the typewriter keys. His favorite line was "What the hell,
Mehitabel." and Mehitabel's was "Toujour gai, toujour gai" When I pulled
those lines on my grandmother, I was sentenced to the Bobbsey Twins again.
JoZ
mjz216
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:07 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041102075001.WAA03855@ladder03.news.aol.com>
One warm fall day, back when we did the star panel in the auditorium, we had
sold out and miked the panel discussion to the crowd outside. Suddenly, we
were taken back to the days of radio, when the great Clayton Moore, who
played the Lone Ranger, broke into, "Hi Yo, Silver, awaaaaay!!!! It sent a
chill right down the backbone.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:08 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041102084000.WAA01235@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Anyone here remember Katy Keene?
Lil Itch?
Beebleberries????
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:11 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041102113000.WAA04472@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Merc wins the cigar. Buster Brown's dog was Tige, the cat was Midnight, the
mouse was Squeaky, and Froggy "plonked" the magic twanger.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:23 PM EDT
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998041102233600.WAA03820@ladder01.news.aol.com>
OK Carol, I can't take it anymore!!!!!
I never got my bio to Nancy, so you missed my birthday in Feb. and I missed
out on one of your marvelous birthday poems!!!!
I challenge you to create a belated verse or two!!!!!
Thanks!!!!!
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Re: Birthdays
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:27 PM EDT
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998041102275000.WAA07313@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I've been offline due to a shoulder injury. So........
Happy Birthday to:
Mary Coral
Deb
Cheef.
I'm 150 posts behind, so if there are any birthdays between Cheef's and April
10th, I'll catch up to you in a day or two!!!
Many Happy returns of the days!
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:37 PM EDT
From: BRULE31415
Message-id: <1998041102370600.WAA06139@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Both my sister and i loved Trixie. At christmas we each bought each other a
gift, I still remember the Christmas we each bought the other the same Trixie
book. Great minds and all that.
Becky in Texas
Subject: Re: Programs and Types
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:39 PM EDT
From: BRULE31415
Message-id: <1998041102394500.WAA06576@ladder01.news.aol.com>
how about Spin and Marty. And that other disney club show with the haunted
house Help?
Becky in texas
Subject: Question?
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:41 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041102411101.WAA06811@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Tonight on Jeopardy it was said that until 1997, garbage disposals were
illegal in NYC. Can someone tell me why?
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Remember when...?
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:43 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041102435000.WAA10004@ladder03.news.aol.com>
First and foremost, Happy Passover, Happy Easter, or whatever it is you
celebrate. If any of you want to read a short, funny article written about
seders, go to : Fran Lebowitz Gives Her Slant on Seders in today's NYTimes.
Down Memory Lane-While I did enjoy Nancy Drew and Sue Barton, I especially
remember loving The Five Little Peppers and How They Grew as well as The
Bobbsey Twins.
Judi-Duz does it! Of course! How about the commercials for Ovaltine on Little
Orphan Annie? I remember a lot of those old commercials. I always went home
for lunch, and listened along with my mom to the old soap operas. Helen
Trent, Ma Perkins, Our Gal Sunday. How about Tom Armstrong, The All-American
Boy, Let's Pretend
and Uncle Don (Hippety-hip hopscotch, rainbow-ree, Subbonya, skippety, I
love thee....) ??? Now remembering those makes me o-o-ooooolder than dirt.
I'm so old that TV and Captain Video weren't invented yet. At least I didn't
have to rely on a crystal set to get those old radio shows. Nancy, the one
you remember is The Goldbergs.
Of course, when I got older, I loved being scared by Inner Sanctum and Arch
Obler's Lights OUt which I could only listen to huddling smack in the middle
of the bed so the monsters underneath it couldn't reach me!!
Melinda-I do believe Buster Brown's dog was Tige (short for Tiger).
Shauna-Oh, how lucky you are to be reading The Hobbit. Tolkeing was a
wonderful writer.
Hey, Leah, Our Queen of Spam. Have a good vacation and enjoy your rest.
Warren-Wow. Bottle you up for a few weeks and then open the flood gates.
Whew! I hope AOL doesn't charge by the word. It's wonderful having you back,
front and center again.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Wrong Words/Gina/Luigi
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 10:47 PM EDT
From: BRULE31415
Message-id: <1998041102482900.WAA10818@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Shauna,
I too came this clos to downloading the preview, Glad i didn't. Have now
warned whole family
PS I loved the hobbit
Bcky in Texas
Subject: Re: Geezer Days
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 11:10 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041103100400.XAA14539@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Okay Smartie
Conjugate the verb "To Be Old"
ROTFLMAO You are toooo much!!!!
Your oldest Fan!
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 11:12 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041103125500.XAA15027@ladder03.news.aol.com>
No John: As much as I respect you as a writer, and as much as I enjoyed
Nathan's Run, and as much as I think you are a very nice man, I must say that
the tenets of democracy do not say this: <<the most basic tenet of
democracy: That we are all born with absolute freedom; that laws and
governments are no more than necessary evils. >>
If we were all born with absolute freedom, each of us would have the right
to do to any other one of us whatever we chose to do whenever we chose to do
it, if we chose to do it. In other words, democracy would be synonymous with
anarchy, which it is not. Oliver Wendell Holmes once reminded us that
freedom of speech does not include the right to cry out "Fire!" in a crowded
theater, unless there is, in fact, a fire.
My right to carry a ladder ends with the point at which my ladder connects
with your face, or head, or body, if I determine to so connect it. I do not
have absolute freedom, any more than you or anyone else does, to hit anyone
with a ladder, or anything else. Or to steal from them or to harm them in
any way. The Freemen would disagree with me, of course, but no society can
exist long without laws.
Laws are not "evils." They are limiting, of course, but they are also
protecting. What limits me from hitting you in the nose with my ladder, also
protects you from being hit in the nose by me, or by providing you with
recompense if I so choose to hit you anyhow.
Our democracy means government of the people, by the people and for the
people. In a pure democracy all of the people would negotiate and agree in
person with each other as to what was acceptable behavior and what was not,
and as to how to enforce that behavior. It is impossible for a nation as
large as ours to have each and every person participate in each decision.
Also, a democracy allows for the fact that some people choose not to be
involved
or to not participate. So we elect officials to make many of those decisions
for us which we are unable logistically or by inclination to make. Sometimes
we like the decisions our officials make, and sometimes we don't.
But we do not have absolute freedom. Never have. Never will. Nor should
we. No one, even Americans, have the inalienable right to do as we please.
No where in the Constitution, which I revere, have I ever read that we have
<<the unalienable rights of individuals to do as they (we) please.>>
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Old radio
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 11:15 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041103152001.XAA15421@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Are you kidding? I sure do remember this one - but all the birdies sang on
SUNDAY in Canada! It drove us nuts! (that explains it all)
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Plonkin' & Pickin'
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 11:16 PM EDT
From: CATZERS
Message-id: <1998041103164801.XAA12950@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cheef says: <<and Froggy "plonked" the magic twanger.>>
I loved hearing Andy Devine's gravel voice coax Froggy into 'plonking' his
magic twanger...boiiiiiiing! However, I have spent years trying to explain
this to DH who claims he doesn't remember it. Now, I'm only 39 days older
than DH and we seem to have watched all the same kiddy shows when we were
little and he even remembers this show but swears he doesn't remember the
'twanger' part. I'm showing him your post, Cheef, but
knowing him he'll probably say "oh, you just put her up to posting
that".....gee willikers, he can be as stubborn as a Missouri mule when he
wants to be!
Early TV could be a real hoot. We only got 5 or 6 channels in northern VA
and the one that had the best kid shows was WTTG originating out of
Washington, D.C. I used to love a show that came on that channel called "The
Pick Temple Show". He was a really hokey cowboy who used to sit little kids
up on a horse (can't remember now if it was a real horse or a wooden horse)
and they would say hi to the folks back home. Pick Temple was a dry wit, man
of
few words, and always kind of reminded me that his boots were killing him.
He usually wore an expression that was a cross between pain and exasperation.
One day (live TV, remember) he sat this bratty little kid up on the horse and
the kid just would not shut up....."hi Mom, hi Dad, hi Sally, hi Linda, hi
Miss Brown, hi Aunt Matilda (Pick interrupting saying "okay, let's give
someone else a chance, Pardner"), hi Cousin George, hi Uncle
Ralph (Pick again "time to get off the horse, son, and let another person
have a turn"), hi Spot, hi Alice, hi Mrs. Feeney, hi Charlie (Pick, getting
more nervous by the minute, "time to get off now, young man"), hi Freddie, hi
Ann, hi Rebecca, hiiiiiiiiiii---at which point Pick Temple forgets himself
and shouts "That's it, kid, get off the &#*!%#$ horse RIGHT NOW!" <*Poof *>,
cut to commercial and when they came back ol' Pick was gone!!!
CATZERS
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 11:18 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041103183601.XAA13237@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Archie & Mehitabel books are still in print - I got some for a friend of mine
last year. In fact, I think the Common Reader Catalog shows them often
(1-800-832-7323) They are adorable
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 11:24 PM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998041103243201.XAA14290@ladder01.news.aol.com>
All I can say is, the ones of you that profess to have CRS are the very ones
remembering all these old shows. You must be better off than you realize. I
was scared to death of Froggy on the Buster Brown Show, but have no idea why.
And I loved my winky-dink plastic screen.
Last time I took the Keirsey test, I was a ENTP, almost a EXTP. This new one
said I was a ESTP, so I guess I'm fairly consistent. WIll take the other
later. I already know I'm bossy.
Thanks to all who asked about the tornados here. It is truly scary to see
what damage can be done in only seconds. We were closer than I originally
thought, maybe 3-5 miles SE of the path of the storm, but our power never
even flickered. We were very, very lucky. So now, we've had killer tornados
here in Alabama on Palm Sunday, Good Friday, & now Ash Wednesday in the last
couple of years ( I'm a little unclear on the exact range of time here)
I am wondering if this has any hidden meaning....
Finished "These Is My Words" at 2 am this morning & I really loved it.I will
keep this one & not return it to the bookstore. Loved the voice of Sarah
Prine.
A happy weekend to all,
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Date: Fri, 10 April 1998 11:28 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041103284800.XAA17727@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Suzie, Suzie, Suzie Q
We missed your birthday -
Oh, boo hoo
When asked to make it up to you
We'll try real hard -
Will this do?
Hap hap happy belated day,
Aged good wishes come your way -
Writing this one off the cuff
Isn't really all that tough!
So now come clean & tell me true -
What's that day we owe to you?
When it was I do not know
Or a hearty hand we'd show.
We'll be ready for next year -
Bringing loads of food & cheer,
Now our waists are rather tight -
Writing after Seder night!
Hope you see that we're devoted
Took a poll, & we all voted -
Here's the birthday that you missed -
Here's the year we booed & hissed -
You got younger than the rest,
Just for missing 'birthday fest'.
We'll get even, never fear -
We will send you TWO next year!
HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY FROM ALL OF US
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Old TV and reading
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 12:56 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998041104563400.AAA28981@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I've been reading about everyone's memories of their favorite books and
they're all favorites of mine, Cherry Ames, (wipe that rouge off your cheeks,
young woman!) Nancy D, the Hardy Boys, Trixie Beldon, the Bobbsey Twins, etc.
The memories brought a book to mind that touched me deeply years ago but I
can't remember what it was or even very much about it. Maybe someone here
will know it. It was about a young girl, maybe involved with a circus,
who experiences a huge fire, on a train, I think. Anyone have a clue?
My memories of early tv are somehat limited because we didn't get
television here until I was 13 or so and then it was very limited but has
noone mentioned Jackie Gleason and the June Taylor Dancers? My DH and I are
the same age but we have a real culture gap when it comes to tv, no, I don't
remember Clarabelle or Howdy Doody and without American Bandstand I never
learned to dance very well which is one of the things that keeps me off the
tables
at wild parties, Mary Coral!
One thing we did with no television was to listen to the Bozo records. You
could follow along with the books and these were much loved. For years I
looked in "collectable" shops for them but never found one. Bozo Under the
Sea was my favorite!
I've always been glad that television came to us late even though I thought
my cousins in far away cities were so sophisticated because they had it. We
spent our childhood doing simple things like snowshoeing around the town park
and at the halfway point warming chicken noodle soup over our portable camp
stove made of a coffee can and tin of sterno.
Happiness of the season to you all!!!
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 03:53 AM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998041107532001.DAA18987@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I've been thinking of this one all evening while our normal life has gone on
in it's silly way. DH visited his father today with DS & DD - he came home
so sad because his Dad is hardly there any more. The whole thing has, as
death often does, made us think a little about how we live our own lives. I
don't think we'll change - change is the hardest thing in the world, I think.
Not that we're
bad but like most people we feel we could be better - and the silly part of
our lives I'll leave out because, honestly, I don't think anyone would
understand how we live here.
Like all of us, I've been interested in the questions of life - right and
wrong, why are we here, do I care? Do I have a choice ... about anything.
Am I predestined or am I in charge? Well, I'm really old and I can't answer
those questions. Probably I'm not going to think about them anymore because,
to me, they are unanswerable.
I was an existentialist when I was younger and, on the whole, I agree with
GilJohn. We are completely free and rules are only societal things we agree
to (or don't agree to). For me, the ones I don't agree with I don't obey. I
am a thinking human being, totally free, in the only life I'm certain of. I
don't intend to limit it to what has only already been discovered and
customized to suit some society that I may or may not want to belong to. I
have a strong moral code but can only attribute it to my nature - the world
is obviously full of people functioning perfectly without my moral code. I
don't like to hurt other people because I know what it feels like - there's
nothing I want badly enough that it would require hurting another person to
get it.
I once had an experience that I don't know if it was valid or not. We were
in Vegas and I was pretty wrapped up in gambling. Actually we needed money,
and I was greedy for a windfall. Greed was all I felt and greed was all I
saw around me. We were in our room and it was like, I broke through some
wall to a place inside of me that was like a fountain of joy. That's the
only way I can describe it - a fountain. And I knew that that joy existed
whether I was greedy or not, whether I cried or not, no matter what went on
in my life, that center was joyous - joyous just to be alive experiencing it
all. I haven't taken life very seriously since then. But I know everyone
has that fountain inside of them - buddha nature, I expect. I wonder if it
survives death.
hasta manana -
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 04:31 AM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998041108312901.EAA18196@ladder01.news.aol.com>
If you'd like some reminders of what those old time radio shows were like (or
you've never heard them and are curious), I've found some hyperlinks with
sound bytes from them that you might enjoy visiting:
AIC SoundBytes (This one has Our Miss Brooks, Burns and Allen, The Whistler,
and more)
Sound of Radio Broadcasting (Amos & Andy, Archie, Buster Brown, The Lone
Ranger, etc.)
More Famous Weekly Old Time Radio Shows (Fibber McGee & Molly, etc.)
The TV shows were all in black and white, and there was no such thing as
remote control. Remember all the TV family sitcoms? There were The Nelsons,
The Andersons, the Cleavers and the Reeds, all too impossibly goody-goody to
be true. But the Kramdens on the Honeymooners and the Ricardos in I Love
Lucy were a lot funnier. Nobody's mentioned The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis.
I used to love that. Dobie was always contemplating life under the
statue of The Thinker.
Some of my favorite shows from the 50s were Alfred Hitchcock Presents,
Playhouse 90, and The Twilight Zone.....
You unlock this door with the key of imagination
Beyond it is another dimension
A dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind
You are moving into a land of both shadow and substance
You have just crossed over - into the Twilight Zone
Barbara (reading A Big Storm Knocked it Over and The Shipping News)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Spmfans/Personalities/Happy......
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 04:57 AM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998041108572201.EAA19303@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Leah, Congratulations to you and Steve on your 22nd wedding anniversary and
on completing "Critical Mass." Sounds like you both deserve a nice vacation!
Looking forward to hearing more from you when you get back!
»§«:*´`»{@}« ´`*:»§«*´`»{@}«´`*:»§«*´`»{@}«´`*:»§«
Re: Personalities: The tests sound intriguing, but I haven't taken them yet.
It sounds like too big a time investment, considering the discouraging
reports of people answering all 180? questions and having it "fail to load."
Geez!
»§«:*´`»{@}« ´`*:»§«*´`»{@}«´`*:»§«*´`»{@}«´`*:»§«
HAPPY EASTER, HAPPY PASSOVER, HAPPY SPRING
.. ^ ^ ^ ^
.. `\ \ | \ / | / /
.. \ \^^^^| | | |^^^/ /
.. \ \ / /
.. | ø ø ø ø |
.. \ »`o'») ( »'o«` /
.. / i><i ) /^^^^^^^\
.. \ \ \ §§ §§§§
.. / \ \ \ \ / / / / \
.. | V V V V \
.. ,,,,,| \ \ §§§§§§§§§§§§§,,
.. (;.,`;| | | | | |';.,`;)
.. """" \ /___ /___ ___\ ___\ /""""
.. (_______)))___)))(((__(((______)
..^^^^^^^^^^¥¥¥^^^^^^^¥¥^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^¥¥¥¥^^^^
Barbara (reading A Big Storm Knocked it Over and The Shipping News)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 06:24 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041110244201.GAA22116@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy -- Oh yes! Do I ever remember my Winky Dink. I don't think we had so
many toys as children. Mine would never have enjoyed anything like WD. We
must be the same age, old lady!
Loved "Queen for a Day", even watched that when I was first married and
dreamed of being a contestant. I only wanted to win a washer/dryer so I
didn't have to trudge down to the laundromat every day with a diaper pail.
As children, we liked the commercials almost as much as the shows.
Especially fond of the Ajax characters scrubbing out the tub. Talk about
hard up for entertainment!
Finally, finished the personality-disorder test. I had to take it so many
times that I knew all the questions by heart. It took forever to score it,
but finally I am an "8". But I beg to disagree!
Cissie, off to try to catch up
Subject: Re: Right and wrong
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 08:45 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998041112451401.IAA03052@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Ann, what an intriguing post! A whole new facet of your already
interesting character emerges.
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 08:56 AM EDT
From: GILJOHN
Message-id: <1998041112562601.IAA04183@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu,
Clearly, I once again fumbled the point that I was trying to make. I am not
a proponent of anarchy -- I like an orderly world of orderly people. Laws
are essential to our mutual safety. When we inflict a law upon ourselves,
however, I think we need to take a serious look at all that we are agreeing
to give up. Too often, we as a society justify a new law -- which by
definition is a restriction of someones ability to do something legally -- by
saying, "I don't see any harm in that law," when in reality we should all be
convinced that the law is NECESSARY to the greater good. Political
expedience does not equate to necessity.
You hear it in the way people talk in politics and in the media. They talk,
for example, in terms of how are we going to PAY for a tax CUT, assuming
without critical thought that all government programs are sacrosanct and that
taxpayers must somehow justify keeping the money they earn. Those of us who
believe in the safety of seatbelts and motorcycle helmets shrug at seatbelt
and helmet laws because they make sense to us, without ever considering
the long-term implications of allowing the government to decide how we should
conduct our private lives.
Recent legislation on "hate crimes" is another example. Now, I'm not a
proponent of hate anymore than anyone else, but I do get a little goosey when
the government judges the severity of a felony on the basis of what the felon
was THINKING at the time he committed his crime. Yes, ending hate is a noble
goal, but allowing powerful people to judge our thoughts is not the way to do
it.
It's hard to write these things without sounding paranoid as hell, but small
doses of paranoia are healthy, I think. Certainly, the Founding Fathers were
paranoid, but then they'd endured a form of tyranny that had perfected itself
over centuries of oppression. Our entire form of government exists solely
for the purpose of limiting the power of government over the lives of its
citizens. I just think we should remember that.
Now, a quick story about yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. I was a
firefighter for many years, and early in my career, I found myself fighting a
house fire, struggling to hump a charged hoseline up a flight of stairs that
was jammed with other firefighters who, quite frankly, didn't have much to do
beyond watching, because I had the water supply. Well, in the midst of
shouldering my way through the crowded stairway, someone started yelling,
"Movie! Movie!" I thought that was funny.
-- John Gilstrap, author of Nathan's Run (now in paperback), and At All Costs
(due in June of '98 from Warner Books)
Subject: Freddie?
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 09:10 AM EDT
From: E1 BOZ
Message-id: <1998041113102701.JAA05576@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Reading all these posts about old time radio and TV, I just can't resist
posting a memory of my own here. Anyone here remember the Freddie Freihoffer
show? It was sponsored by the Freihoffer Baking company here in Upstate NY
(and by the way, they STILL make the best chocolate chip cookies!), and will
probably only be known by people who grew up here. Always had a live
audience of children, and the best part was the "Squiggles", where
kids from the audience came up and just scribbled on a piece of paper and
then --
was it "Uncle Bob"? -- would create like magic and real picture from the
squiggle. Was the dream of every kid to celebrate their birthday by going on
the Freddie Freihoffer Show.
"Freddie, we love you,
We think you're swell.
Freddie, we love the stories you tell.
We love your cookies, your bread and your cakes,
We love all the things Freddie Freihoffer bakes!"
In those days, another fun memory was seeing the Freihoffer baking truck pull
in your driiveway twice a week, offering wonderful goodies.. I remember being
dissapointed that Freddie wasn't driving the truck.. Whatever happened to
home delivery? Remember the Jewel Company?
Carole #1 In Upstate NY, currently reading "Evening Class, by Maeve Binchy."
"If you are not afraid to face the music, you may one day lead the band"...
Subject: Re: Memories Cont'd...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 09:21 AM EDT
From: SilvlocMom
Message-id: <1998041113210301.JAA03806@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I too had a Winky Dink screen.. glad to hear I wasn't the only one out there.
I loved Meet Millie with Elena Verdugo.. her name shows up in crossword
puzzles a lot now.
Superman & the Mole Men scared me right out of the movie theatre.
Here in the NJ area was a program called Junior Frolics, there was an
audience of kids in the studio to watch cartoons (Farmer Brown).. I went with
a group of friends and they gave us orange juice and cookies. What a thrill.
I think I remember the Buster Brown shoe jingle.. "Hi, I'm Buster Brown, I
live in a shoe, Here's my dog Tige, He lives there too." !!!
Katy Keene, I loved her.
How about L'il Abner and the Dogpatch gang..
Joan in NJ
Subject: Re: The Enneagram
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 09:23 AM EDT
From: DCDLSD
Message-id: <1998041113230601.JAA06846@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I tired the test three times yesterday and had similar problems. My First
Aid monitor shows oo% memory remaining--and I have no other programs running.
Oh well, I did print out the types and will read to see what I think I am.
Lynne, in Houston
reading Biblioholism by Tom Raabe
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 09:33 AM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998041113331901.JAA07924@ladder03.news.aol.com>
John,
That "Movie, movie!" crack certainly sounds like firefighter humor! (My DH
was a NYC fireman until he had to retire with an injury.) A different breed,
and thank God that we have them for that job.
Carolyn on Long Island
Subject: Memory Lane
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 09:39 AM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998041113395601.JAA05905@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I do remember Bobby Benson and the BRB Riders! I loved all the old cowboy
shows when I was a kid...Roy Rogers, Gene Autry, Hopalong Cassidy, the Lone
Ranger, Wild Bill Hickok, Lash Larue, and I'm sure there were more. Oh, the
Cisco Kid. And later on it was only natural to enjoy Maverick, Cheyenne,
Have Gun Will Travel, etc. It was nice when there was a definite good guy
and bad guy. Life really was simpler then.
Carolyn on LI
Subject: Easter
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 09:51 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041113513100.JAA10064@ladder03.news.aol.com>
HAPPY EASTER
AND
HAPPY PASSOVER
TO
ALL MY BOOK NOOK FRIENDS
"THOSE WHO BRING SUNSHINE TO THE
LIVES OF OTHERS CANNOT KEEP IT
FROM THEMSELVES."
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 10:06 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041114064401.KAA11982@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judi-Yes it was the Goldbergs- I don't remember much about it other than it
took place on the Lower East side and Mollie was the quintessential yenta.
In my memoribilia album I do have an authographed picture of the young womna
who played one of the children in I Remember Mama. I think our kids have
been somewhat gypped, thinking more about this. We had some wonderful shows
when tv was in its infancy and while young people today have
many more choices, its pretty much all drech-otherwise known as garbage.
Merc - I remembered some of the ones you mentioned- do you remember Edge of
Night? I remember it was on at 3 and I think for only 15 minutes. How about
The Perry Como Show or The Jackie Gleason Show?
Roe- you bring back such wonderful memories. Recall watching Omnibus with my
dad although I hardly understood it. Yes, Edward R. Murrow's show as called
You Are There - I can still remember when he interviewed Castor and Nat King
Cole. If only Barbara Walters was as good as he was. And also Imogene Coca
and Sid Cesar's show was called Your Show of Shows. Do you also remember the
GE College Bowl on Sunday afternoons. And another
fave---Bullwinkle.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Holidays
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 10:23 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041114230201.KAA11201@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Well, we survived the first Seder although it was a smaller number than
usual. We began with 6 increased by two (cousin is an accountant so both he
and his wife were detained at work) and then were 7 after soup (cousins had a
bad cold and left) and than we were 6 again right before dinner. Cousin was
returning to work. Other cousin mentioned that God should realize that these
two major holidays didn't come at the right time for those
who have to meet the IRS deadline. In any event, it was fun although Mich at
22 and the youngest keeps asking if somebody else couldn't ask the Four
Questions.
Warren - glad to hear you're up and about. Sure hope you can meet up with us
during our April reunion. It wouldn't be the same without you.
Judi - feel so for you and Jonathan's future in laws. But I bet the wedding
will be wonderful - just remember all plans hit snags although it must be
tough beiong so far away.
More remmebering- The Millionaire, Dr. Kildare, Ben Casey- maybe these are
too recent, huh?
Bonadie - Trixie Belden and Nacy Drew are what actually began this
conversation. Jump right in! Speaking of Alfred Hitchcock- my parents were
always out on Monday nights when this show was on. I would invite a neighbor
from the building to watch this show with me otherwise I would be scared to
death. But I had to entice my friend and the only thing she really loved was
spaghetti. So every Monday at 9:45 I would make spaghetti and wait for
Maxine's
arrival and then turn on the tv. Also remember those wonderful Twilight
Episodes.
Funny that we've been discussing old books and tv shows while at the table
last night we were dicussing outr favorite Seinfeld epsiodes. Then the
conversation turned to how we would end the series. I offered my idea of
bringing together all of the memorasble other characters we remember -Babu,
Poppy, Mr. Pitt, Putty, Newman, George's parenst, Jerry's aunt, Susan and her
father who was in love with John Cheever, etc. and my cousin asked what I
would
do with them and Bruce said NOTHING!
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Birthdays
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 10:33 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041114331901.KAA12562@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Suzanne-
I'm no poet but I wanted to wish you a
HAPPY BELATED
BIRTHDAY!!!!
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 10:34 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041114341600.KAA15491@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Now I just remembered The Ann Sothern Show where Don Porter was her boss. I
would play secretary and use a shoebox as my intercom system. Oh and just
now it came back to me- My Little Margie with ZaSu Pitts.
Does anybody else remember those smutty magazines like True Confessions. I
only found them when I was at camp - some more mature girl was able to sneak
them into her trunk. I guess tody we have newspapers which report the same
kinds of goings on tv shows like Jery Srpinger or Sally Jesse Raphael.
Deb - from the review I read in the Times, you would have been better off
seeing the movie Wings of Desire which is what City of Angels was based on.
Wings has become one of those cult films.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Remember when...?
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 10:36 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041114364000.KAA12962@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Upon our arrival at my cousin's house yesterday, she shoved the Fran
Leibowitz article into my face and said, "Read it our loud." I had already
read it but in the company of family when they heard it too we really did
howl.
Wasn't it Dostoevsky who said "all families are the same....."
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 10:49 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041114495800.KAA14732@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Nancy -- Oh yes! Do I ever remember my Winky Dink. I don't think we had
so many toys as children. Mine would never have enjoyed anything like WD.
We must be the same age, old lady!>>
We are pretty much the same age- I celebrated my BFH last year in May. I
remember having board games and jacks and spalding balls. I also remember
card games like 50 ways to play solitaire and double solitaire and a real
favorite--canasta. I wasn't real good at games - since I was an only I
seldom had friends to play with and my parents weren't into games. And for
some reason the same holds true for our DD. I also remember handball along
the sides
of the bulidings and King and bikes and rollerskating between the poles of
the canopies which led from the street to our apartment house. But when the
training wheels came off, I never got another bike and I could never did
learn to ride one. I also remember playing tennis along the East River
Drive, horse back riding in Central Park, Hebrew School and piano lessons.
Life in the city for me was programmed with all sorts of cultural outings
with
less emphasis placed on athletic events. BVut always, always they were there
- my best friends, my books.
My best memory of reading as a young child was sitting on the window box of
my room high above the street and reading to the moonlight with the Empire
Stste Buliding as the backdrop. I felt so safe and secreu with my parenst in
the next room.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Remember when...?
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 11:01 AM EDT
From: ShanOD
Message-id: <1998041115014701.LAA16293@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jan, your mention of Five Little Peppers reminded me of one of my favorite
trips, to Concord, MA, where I was delighted to see that both Louisa May
Alcott and the author of Peppers were buried in the same cemetery.
We didn't get a TV til I was 8, but apart from the ritual Saturday night
popcorn and the Jackie Gleason show, I don't have too many memories of other
shows at all.
I'd rather read a book than watch TV any time <g>
enneagram enneagram explanation
posting these again for those who are having trouble getting the other one to
load.
Shannon
Subject: Groan!
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 11:06 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041115061101.LAA19706@ladder03.news.aol.com>
> A man was blissfully driving along the highway, when he saw the Easter
> Bunny
> hopping across the middle of the road. He swerved to avoid hitting the
> Bunny, but
> unfortunately the rabbit jumped in front of his car and was hit.
>
> The basket of eggs went flying all over the place. Candy, too.
>
> The driver, being a sensitive man as well as an animal lover, pulled
over to
> the
> side of the road, and got out to see what had become of the Bunny
carrying
> the
> basket.
> Much to his dismay, the colorful Bunny was dead.
>
> The driver felt guilty and began to cry.
>
> A woman driving down the same highway saw the man crying on the side
> of the road and pulled over.
>
> She stepped out of her car and asked the man what was wrong.
>
> "I feel terrible," he explained, "I accidentally hit the Easter Bunny
and
> killed it.
> There may not be an Easter because me. What should I do? "
>
> The woman told the man not to worry. She knew exactly what to do.
> She went to her car trunk, and pulled out a spray can. She walked
> over to the limp, dead Bunny, and sprayed the entire contents of the
can
> onto the little furry animal.
>
> Miraculously the Easter Bunny came back to life, jumped up, picked up
> the spilled eggs and candy, waved its paw at the two humans and
> hopped on down the road.
>
> 50 yards away the Easter Bunny stopped, turned around, waved and
> hopped on down the road another 50 yards, turned, waved hopped another
> 50 yards and waved again!!!!
>
> The man was astonished. He couldn't figure out what could possibly be
in
> that
> woman's spray can!!
>
> He said to the woman, "What in heaven's name is in your spray can?
> What was it that you sprayed on the Easter Bunny?"
> The woman turned the can around so that the man could read the label.
>
> It said: "Hair spray. Restores life to dead hair. Adds permanent
wave."
On that note - do not overdose on the chocolate eggs.
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Cracking-up Time
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 11:20 AM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041115204400.LAA18875@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hey, Judi,
I think you finally got an opportunity to behave and solve problems like
Nancy Drew, without spying on the neighbors. I sure know what it is like,
trying to arrange crucial matters long distance, as we helped with my middle
son's wedding festivities in Naples, Florida last June. Thanks to my son's
Mother-in-Law for everything she did and arranged. It sounds as if you are
definitely NOT cracking up, just stretching thin.......
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Garbage Disposals
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 11:24 AM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041115243800.LAA22253@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Marilu: Garbage disposals illegal in NYC until 1997? As a disgusted native
New Yorker I can only guess that people were supposed to throw it in the
streets. {BEG}
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 11:33 AM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041115331300.LAA20666@ladder01.news.aol.com>
MARY ANN--<<I am a thinking human being, totally free, in the only life I'm
certain of.>> You're absolutely correct, of course. We do have the absolute
freedom to think as we wish, and we do have the absolute right to choose our
own attitudes toward what life hands us, as Victor Frankl so eloquently
reminded
us in MAN'S SEARCH FOR MEANING.
In my post of last night, I was referring to behavior. No society has the
right, or even the ability, to make us think or believe in any way other than
what we wish or choose to think or believe. But society and its laws do
serve the purpose of regulating behavior. The term I was objecting to was
the term "absolute freedom."
Absolute freedom, when applied to behavior, would confer the right to
do whatever we want to do, and we do not have that right. The natural world
does not give us absolute freedom to do what we wish. I would dearly love to
fly by flapping my arms, just like a bird, but I am limited by the laws of
nature. Sometimes I would love to fly down the freeway at 100 mph and insist
that everyone else get out of my way, but I am limited, thank God,
by the laws of the state of California.
GILJOHN--Thank you so much for clarifying what you meant! You are very
eloquent, and I applaud what you have said. One thing I like about this
board so much is we feel free to exercise our right to speak our minds, and
we have people on the board who think about the truly important aspects of
life and who are not afraid to say what they believe. I, for
one, would lay down my life literally for the rights and freedoms we have as
a people under our wonderful Constitution. (I'd be in dire straits living in
a country without freedom of speech, I can tell you!) There is good reason
our Constitution is the oldest "living" one in the world and is the model for
other constitutions everywhere.
But not even the Constitution can give us the right to think and to choose.
That IS an inalienable right.
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Ranting/AOL 4.0/Joy
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 12:26 PM EDT
From: KarenLLS
Message-id: <1998041116263601.MAA28257@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I have apologized to Warren for sending such an explosive
e-mail---apparently it was the large amounts of confetti contained. What a
SHOW. What would Pam/NitneeLin think!!
By the way, I am now using 4.0 and like it. As yet nothing has happened.
Apparently Case is toying with me. ; )
I love the dialogue we are having re: guns & freedom and laws. I once posted
I had learned to shoot a gun and was surprised that I did okay. My father
was a hunter but always kept his guns & ammo locked up, and was very
controlled with it. I never even touched one without him in the room. Smart
man. I still hate guns, though, and even though as a woman I found some
confidence in going to the shooting range, I would have to be in a very
intensesituation to pick one up. I'd rather learn other defense methods.
Most men do not understand how vulnerable women can feel when they realize
that the average mugger is much stronger than they are. I do not consider
myself a fearful person, as I lived alone for over 10 years and had very few
scary moments, even after a break-in. Training with a gun helped me to at
least understand my limits, my nervousness level, and the terrible potential
that a weapon can have in the wrong hands---even just shaky hands.
On another subject, Mary Ann said, "We were in our room and it was like I
broke through some wall to a place inside of me that was like a fountain of
joy. That's the only way I can describe it - a fountain. And I knew that
that joy existed whether I was greedy or not, whether I cried or not, no
matter what went on in my life, that center was joyous - joyous just to be
alive experiencing itall. I haven't taken life very seriously since then.
But I know everyone has that fountain inside of them - buddha nature, I
expect. I wonder if it survives death."
Mary Ann, what a wonderful moment! I do believe this Joy survives apart from
our consciousness. To me, God is Joy, and I believe that some of the issues
we agonize over are not a big deal to Him, although I do think we are
responsible for our actions. The joyful essence of His nature cannot be
overidden; it's always percolating somehow, somewhere. I remember very
clearly one moment when I was 19 or 20, working in an office andhaving a
mediocre day. Not a serious thought in my head. I suddenly remember I'd
forgotten an item in the next room, jumped up to fetch it, and ran smack into
a Presence I would give everything to be immersed in again, even for a
nanosecond. For a minuscule point in time I was Home.
It's hard to explain--our finite minds cannot handle the Big Picture, much
less the largesse of God's nature. I disdain quarreling over beliefs and
creeds these days, although I do have my own opinions. It just isn't worth
the time. There isn't much of it anyway, is there?
Karen
Subject: Re: Remember when...?
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 12:40 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041116402500.MAA00300@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<<<Wasn't it Dostoevsky who said "all families are the same.....">>>>
Nope, it was Tolstoy, in the opening of Anna Karenina.
Cheef
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 01:26 PM EDT
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998041117264201.NAA09519@ladder03.news.aol.com>
One of my earliest and fondest memories is sitting in a box, in front of the
tv, and watching my idole, Miss Frances, ring the bell to start another
session of Ding Dong School. I have some old McCalls needleworks, with Ding
Dong Bell smocks pictured in them!
I also remember one (actually two sort of ) of my biggest disappointments. I
loved Mary Martin in Peter Pan, and when I found out he was a she, I actually
cried. Many years later, tv actually found a lost copy of Peter Pan, and
they were going to show it for something like the first time in sixteen
years. I couldn't wait------------and then found out that it was being shown
on the night for my final wedding dress fitting! This, of course, was
before the days of VCR's.
Toby
Subject: Okra--revisited
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 02:17 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041118172801.OAA16672@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I found this information about okra that is interesting. Seems everyone
loves it or hates it--but you may be eating it without realizing it--if I'm
reading the following correctly:
Okra
(Abelmoschus esculentus)
Okra, related to the hibiscus and a member of the mallow family, is native to
tropical Africa or Asia--and was cultivated by the Egyptians in the 12
century AD. It slowly traveled south into the central lands of Africa; north
and west to Mediterranean lands and ultimately to the Balkans; and east to
the subcontinent of India.
It arrived in the United States in the 18th century with the slave trade, on
a ship filled with Bantu tribes people.
It still grows wild in Ethiopia and Sudan, just as it did in prehistoric
times. Its plants, related to cotton, were carried to India and Egypt where
they are still used in cooking oil and as a coffee substitute.
Today okra is used commercially as a hidden ingredient: it is the mucilage in
catsup that makes it so hard to get out of the bottle.
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 02:21 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041118210301.OAA17156@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Giljohn--I read your first post right after it hit the board and was tempted
to reply immediately (why is no one surprised?). However, I was rushed to
get to Passover and also wanted to organize my thoughts, no easy task.
I, too, objected to your idea of "absolute freedom." There is no such animal
in a world that contains more than one person. Fortunately for all on this
board, the more articulate and more reasoned Mari Lu said what I would have
answered. I can only concur with her. Taken at face value, the words in
your first post would have us living in an world of anarchy because many,
perhaps most, people do not
possess the moral standards we would like to assume they have. I encourage
you to read my tag line. As a writer, you know what power a word carries. If
we are not precise, then we easily mislead others into thinking something
other than what we really meant to say. I know; I've been there.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Question?
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 02:30 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041118305500.OAA15819@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu--Your ignorance appalls me. Obviously, the reason garbage diposals
were not legal in NYC until fairly recently was that city officials (you
know, government) were afraid that with all those people fishing alligators
out of their toilets (the ones that people brought back from Florida
vacations, flushed and allowed to grow in the sewer system--but some of them
managed to find their way back up the pipes and into people's toilets) that
the garbage disposals just wouldn't be able to hold up to the task of
grinding up those thick, scaly hides.
Always look before you sit in the bathroom of your NY hotel when you get
there. This is a warning to a friend.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Okra--revisited
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 02:33 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041118332700.OAA16191@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jackie wrote:
it is the mucilage in catsup
Aw, Jackie, did you have to tell us that? A little knowledge is a dangerous
thing for my healthy appetite. LOL And some of you might remember my stand on
Okra is not that of some other Southerners whom I know and love. Mucous,
Mucus, Mucilage, Mucky, Ptooey, Bleh! IMOOO! ( In My Own Okra Opinion)
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 02:47 PM EDT
From: Spmfans
Message-id: <1998041118475701.OAA18208@ladder01.news.aol.com>
John -
Here's one to add to your paranoia. The Washington Post reported last week
(two weeks ago?) that there is a plan being hatched to have the FBI, Justice
Department and CIA overseen by the Secret Service. Now, in my woefully
limited understanding of the Executive Branch, isn't the sole purpose of the
Secret Service to protect the POTUS? And isn't the SS - I meant Secret
Service - responsible only to the POTUS?
My total lack of regard and respect for the current POTUS aside, I can't
think of any one person in which I want to have that much power resting. Does
this scare anybody else?
Leah
Subject: Re: Question?
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 02:48 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041118484100.OAA18306@ladder01.news.aol.com>
WELL JUDI!--<<Mari Lu--Your ignorance appalls me.>>
I guess I've been told!
It never occurred to me that not using garbage disposals were to prevent
people from feeding alligators, or feeding them to the sewers!
And I promise to think of you every time I sit on the pot! Just for my own
protection.
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 02:49 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041118494500.OAA21140@ladder03.news.aol.com>
JOHN--Did you really mean this? <<I found myself fighting a house fire,
struggling to hump a charged hoseline up a flight of stairs>> You know, just
because Gina's gone for a while doesn't mean we have to get graphic!
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 03:01 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041119013001.PAA22753@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Barbara--You are without a doubt the Queen of the Hyperlinks! If we name it,
you've got it. The ones you posted should be fun.
I loved "Dobie Gillis." Zelda (real name Sheila Kuehn) is now a California
legislator and extremely popular with members of both parties because of her
good nature. She's very firm in her views but manages to be so without
antagonizing others.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Catherwood
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 03:03 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041119035001.PAA20361@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Pre- holiday excitement insomnia was a bit of a problem last night, and I
just did not feel like opening my current novel, Father and Son by Larry
Brown, due to its heavy nature. A tiny little novel, Catherwood, by Marly
Youmans called softly to me from the back of the shelf. I'm so glad to have
followed the beckoning invisible fingers.
Wonderful, all 165 pages of it. Copied right off the back cover:
" Lyrical and breathtaking, Marly Youman's Catherwood is a remarkable story
of courage and loss that brilliantly evokes America when it was truly the new
world.
It tells of Catherwood Lyte, a young wife newly arrived from England, who
along with her one-year-old daughter Elisabeth, loses her way in the Spring
of 1678 in the dense woodlands outside Albany, New York. It is a harrowing
yet transcendent adventure of survival in a cruel and majestic wilderness; a
powerful exploration...; a deeply moving portrait of the ties that bind
Mother and Child. And with it, award winning short story writer and poet
Youmans further establishes herself as an exceptional prose stylist..."
And from Fred Chappell,
" Entrancing reading...a tale that offers suspense, happiness, and tragedy,
and Youmans tells it in a style that compliments it as handsomely as musical
accompaniment".
I loved this little wonder. For some reason the protagonist was just so
worthy, and although sadness disrupts very painfully, the book is triumphant.
It is quick and easy to read, yet the language is worth savoring. It feels
historically accurate, celebrates love, and dignifies perseverance.
Catherwood is uplifting.
Three hours later, but hating for Catherwood to end, I took a very satisfied
nap.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 03:10 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041119101700.PAA21299@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Does anybody remember a show that used to pick someone out of the audience
and send them out to do something considered outrageous in those days (the
early 1880s, wasn't it?) and they'd have to come back in half an hour and
report what happened?
On TV I also used to love "Beat the Clock" with Bud Collier. In NYC and in
Beverly Hills are the two branches of the Museum of Radio and Television
(something like that)--52nd St. (maybe 51st.?) in NYC and Beverly Drive at
Little Santa Monica Blvd. in BH. You can go there and sit with headphones,
happily watching or listening to anything you want. It's all there. I could
easily spend a day there. In NY once I watched award-winning
commercials from around the world; they were wonderful.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 03:15 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041119153801.PAA22047@ladder01.news.aol.com>
"Ten from 'Your Show of Shows' " is on video and will make you cry from
laughing.
Wasn't Edward R. Murrow's show called "See It Now"? "You are There"--why am
I thinking Cronkite or John Cameron Swayze. Yea, I think it was Swayze. You
remember him: he was in "Dirty Dancing." This is starting to sound like the
Kevin Bacon game.
Nancy said "dreck" means garbage. She's being polite.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 03:20 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041119203900.PAA25437@ladder03.news.aol.com>
"My Friend Irma" with a buxom blonde who is now dead.
I also used to lie in bed (my mother was a member of the SS when it came to
my bedtime; I think I was going to bed at 8 when I was in 8th grade) and
listen to operettas like "The Chocolate Soldier" and "Naughty Marietta." I
think they were on every Saturday night. Because it was music, the Sleep
Nazi let me listen to them, but of course I had to be in bed. Couldn'tlisten
in the living room, God forbid. I did love them, though.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Queen For a Day
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 03:30 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041119300901.PAA24023@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Memory Trigger:
Bess Meyerson certainly did look better in that full length mink coat than
the eventual recipient, and were not the sad stories of why the contestants
deserved to be Queen for a Day harbingers or foreshadowing of The Jerry
Springer Show or at least Sally Jesse or Ricki Lake (without the violence or
gender confusion, of course)?
Whoever had the saddest, most pitiful, luckless, tragedy-filled life..with
the hungriest children who had nothing to wear to school and the father was a
"Shut-in"... Or the house burned...The most outrageous of the down and
out... Won the title by audience clapping, the sound being measured by some
primitive decibel meter. Ah, Uh, then why did everyone want to be Queen for
a Day?
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Ennegram one more time
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 05:30 PM EDT
From: ShanOD
Message-id: <1998041121302701.RAA11258@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mary Coral was kind enough to let me know that the links I posted weren't
working... I hadn't visited in a while and it looks like they've moved, so
here is a more current one.
Enneagram Educator
Enneagram Central
And it was PATRICK Swayze in "Dirty Dancing"! John C. Swayze did those Timex
commercials...
Shannon
Subject: Re: Catherwood
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 06:07 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998041122073301.SAA16481@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I read "Catherwood" sometime last summer, over lunch breaks at work and I
though it was charming. I was a little worried there because of what
happened to her daughter, but it was a sweet and touching book. Boy,
somebody should have given that woman a compass . . . (grin)
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: Speaking of Nancy Drew...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 06:11 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998041122112300.SAA19720@ladder03.news.aol.com>
While we are on the Nancy Drew/memories thread... at the bookstore where I
work, I learned today that I am woefully behind the times... that ND is read
by much younger girls. I seem to remember reading them at about age 11 ...
but today, I'm told, girls are much more "sophisticated" and "mature" at that
age, so these stories become... boring... that age 9 is more typical for the
ND reader. ::::::::::another sigh::::::::
Thoughts anyone?
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Suzanne
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 06:26 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998041122260001.SAA21921@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Suzanne,
Here's wishing you a VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Hope it was a good one.
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 06:52 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998041122523101.SAA25884@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judi, Since you loved Dobie Gillis too, you're gonna love this hyperlink
"The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis" It'll bring back lots of memories and it's
got links to the cast members too. I didn't remember Warren Beatty being a
cast member, but he was on the show for one season as the rich kid, Milton
Armitage. Zelda's
real name is actually Sheila James Kuehl. She still looks almost exactly the
same as she did on the show (except for being a little older like all of us),
same grin with the crinkled up nose. She's done a lot of good, especially in
laws that protect the lives and health of children. You can see her home page
at California State Assemblymember Sheila James ... and link to some
interesting press releases from there. (I LOVE hyperlinks)
Barbara (reading A Big Storm Knocked it Over and The Shipping News)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Speaking of Nancy Drew...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 07:13 PM EDT
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998041123130801.TAA28888@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Started reading Nancy, Dana Girls and Trixie Belden in the second grade,
stopped reading them before end of the fifth grade, so the ages seem about
right. From sixth to eighth grade, I read non series books in the children's
room, but there weren't many preteen, teen, and ya titles to choose from back
then, so spent time reading "easy" classics like Tom Sawyer, Little Women,
etc .
Subject: Re: Speaking of Nancy Drew...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 07:22 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041123220301.TAA27581@ladder01.news.aol.com>
SALLY IN NJ--<<that age 9 is more typical for the ND reader.
::::::::::another sigh::::::::Thoughts anyone?>> Alas, it's true. My
granddaughters at 8 and 9 love them.
I'm now reading THE ALL-TRUE TRAVELS AND ADVENTURES OF LIDIE NEWTON, Jane
Smiley's new book, and I love it!
JUDI--So you can refresh your memory on the old time radio newsmen, here's a
link for you."Radio Days - News"
Marie Wilson was the buxom blond who played My Friend Irma. Just thought I'd
throw that it for whoever mentioned the show.
I thought it was time for me to find a new tag line, so I went quotation
hopping, and I couldn't make up my mind. These ones in particular grabbed
me.
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. "
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
"I am not young enough to know everything. "
- Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
"The covers of this book are too far apart. "
- Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
"Everywhere I go I'm asked if I think the university stifles writers. My
opinion is that they don't stifle enough of them. "
- Flannery O'Connor (1925-1964)
"Every day I get up and look through the Forbes list of the richest
people in America. If I'm not there, I go to work. "
- Robert Orben
"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. "
- Mark Twain (1835-1910)
"The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
" - Tom Clancy
"The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep. "
- Clinton aide George Stephanopolous speaking on Larry King Live
"Half this game is ninety percent mental. "
- Yogi Berra
"There's many a bestseller that could have been prevented by a good
teacher. "
- Flannery O'Connor (1925-1964)
"Wagner's music is better than it sounds."
- Mark Twain (1835-1910)
"We are not retreating - we are advancing in another Direction."
- General Douglas MacArthur (1880-1964)
"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who
cannot read them. "
- Mark Twain (1835-1910)
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is
a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. "
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: Speaking of Nancy Drew...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 07:49 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041123491701.TAA04355@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Marilu,
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. "
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
"I am not young enough to know everything. "
- Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
"The covers of this book are too far apart. "
- Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)
I vote for "all of the above" quotations, plus all the others you mentioned
in your post. Decisions, Decisions. My goodness, you are a plethora of
information, erudite knowledge, and good will. But if I had to narrow the
quotations down, I would be poising on the brink of indecision, adding yet
another consummate concern to life, and adding new verbage and coinage to
my life. How about:
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Smiling with you.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 08:10 PM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998041200101801.UAA04836@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Played by Gail Storm, I believe.
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 09:03 PM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998041201035700.VAA12866@ladder01.news.aol.com>
sure was....Gail Storm...........yet another memory comes to the
forefront.........love this.......
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Trivial trivia
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 09:30 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041201303901.VAA16975@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol, That GROAN takes the Easter cake!!! I'm sure it has to be the first
Shaggy Bunny story ever. Thanks for the chuckle.
Judi-That buxom blonde on My Friend Irma was Marie Wilson, right? The
quintessential ditzy blonde.
Marilu-I love the quote by Clancy . "The difference between fiction and
reality? Fiction has to make sense."
Sue in Mi-I just learned today that the first Academy Award ever won by a man
was won by Charles Farrell who later became My Little Margie's boss. The
first woman Academy Award winner was Luise Reiner for her role 7th Heaven.
(FYI: I was not even born then, I swear.)
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Speaking of Nancy Drew...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 10:00 PM EDT
From: Leavesie
Message-id: <1998041202001201.WAA21765@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Miss Sally in NJ:
I sat alpabetically in 6th grade. Having a last name that began with W I was
in the last seat by the bookcase. There sat about 20 Nancy Drews. I was in
heaven. Have not stopped reading since. I still get a little bit of heaven
every time I do!
RENEE in Nj...still reading.
Subject: Re: Trivial trivia
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 10:47 PM EDT
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998041202470501.WAA29304@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<l who later became My Little Margie's boss. The first woman Academy Award
winner was Luise Reiner for her role 7th Heaven. (FYI: I was not even born
then, I swear.)>>
I wasn't around then either, but Janet Gaynor was in Seventh Heaven. Luise
Reiner won back to back oscars in the thirties for The Good Earth and The
Great Ziegfield. She was O-lan in the Good Earth, and Ziegfield's first
wife, Anna Held, in Ziegfield. She was wonderful in both roles. I
understand she appeared at this years oscar showing, and darn it, I missed
it.
Toby, who is so glad she gets both AMC and TCM
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 11:00 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998041203004301.XAA01681@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Didn't Gale Storm sing? "Put another nickel in, in the nickelodeom, all I
want is loving you and music, music, music -"
Spent all night at the hospital watching DH's Dad die - but he didn't yet.
Cancelled Easter - back again tomorrow. Sigh. This isn't a happy household
tonight.
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sat, 11 April 1998 11:13 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998041203130701.XAA03688@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy -
I remember the Jackie Gleason Show but I don't remember the Perry Como show.
Do you remember the character Freddie something or other on the Gleason show?
He had a very unique laugh.
I remember the Edge of Night. I also remember the Secret Storm because when
I was little when the music came, on the babysitter used to ship us off to
bed to take a nap.
Mercedes
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 12:33 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041204333500.AAA18409@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh, Mary Ann, my sympathy and prayers are with you and yours.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Question?
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 12:55 AM EDT
From: Goodreader
Message-id: <1998041204551801.AAA18588@ladder01.news.aol.com>
The story regarding alligators coming up through the sewer system in NYC
reminded me of something that happened when I lived in Florida.
My DH has taking a shower. I was in the kitchen preparing supper when I
heard him give a horrific yell. I ran to the bathroom and threw the door
open. He was standing outside of the tub, dripping water on the bathmat, and
yelling for me to fetch a shovel....quickly! I asked why, and he said
because a snake had just slithered up through the bathtub drain and into the
shower with him!!! Needless to say, we installed a metal grate in the tub
drain after that, but I was still very nervous whenever I took a shower! LOL
~ Jo Anne in San Jose
"Until I feared I would lose it, I never loved to read. One does not love
breathing." - Harper Lee
Subject: Re: Speaking of Nancy Drew...
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 01:52 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041205524801.BAA25505@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I think I was about eight when Nancy Drew hooked me. By nine I had moved on
to Huckleberry Finn and I remember when I told my third grade teacher that I
had just read it, she and the art teacher exchanged a significant glance.
Apparently, they didn't realize that I was reading it very superficially,
just for the story line. When I read it in high school I didn't get much
more out of it, but in college English I learned about--
ta-dah-- symbolism! Was that an awakening for me. Turned me into an English
major.
Mari Lu--Thanks for the Marie Wilson info. The Radio Days link looks like a
hoot, as does Barbara's Dobie Gillis link. Imagine Warren Beatty on that
show!
Wedding update: Kim's parents have found a beautiful 3-story Victorian right
on the beach. It has 7 bedrooms, 3 baths, 2 kitchens, a passel o' fireplaces
and a wraparound porch with rockers. The grass goes right down to the beach.
We're having the yard tented and have a caterer to do both the wedding and
the post-coital lobster bake. The kids also want a bonfire on the beach. I
guess that's a Maine tradition. The invitations will be done this
Friday (now that we have an address!) and things are rolling. I think it
will be nicer than if it had been at Ye Olde Screwuppe Inn. And we're
renting the house for a week so we can stay there with immediate family and
J&K's closest friends. Other friends are renting the houses on either side,
so this should be a week-long revelry. We're all much relieved--kind of
nerveracking to be looking for a place just two months before the wedding.
Kim's
father offered them $500 bucks and a ladder, but they didn't bite.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 01:55 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041205555900.BAA28476@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Ann--So sorry to hear about your FIL. It must be so difficult for all
of you.
"Put Another Nickle In" was sung by Teresa Brewer, no?
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 11:11 AM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041215112601.LAA04508@ladder03.news.aol.com>
"Put Another Nickle In" was sung by Teresa Brewer, no?
Judi
Yes
For those of you with young children, grandchildren, or inquiring hearts,
here is a wonderful site I found on ancienct Greece, Rome, Egypt and the
Mideast. It has history, mythology, etc.Odyssey Online
Mari Lu
Hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken-winged bird
that cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
for when dreams go
life is a barren field
frozen with snow
Langston Hughes
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 11:21 AM EDT
From: LPennin104
Message-id: <1998041215215801.LAA05785@ladder03.news.aol.com>
The lady who sang, "Put another nickel in, etc." was Teresa Brewer. She sang
on that show called Name That Tune. But I think Gail Storm did sing, too.
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 11:25 AM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998041215255600.LAA06234@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Ann, my prayers are for you and your family at this difficult time.
Judi, it sounds like you've made lemonade from lemons! This party should be
better than the original plans!
Wasn't Charles Farrell My Little Margie's dad rather than her boss?
Speaking of old singers such as Theresa Brewer, remember Georgia Gibbs, Joni
James (on the comeback trail), and Patti Page, who had many hits and has
probably always been working? I remember the Perry Como show--he was a
favorite of my mother's. And Eddie Fisher had a fifteen-minute show in the
evening, as well as Dinah Shore (See the USA in your Chevrolet!).
Carolyn on Long Island, reading Doris Kearns Goodwin's WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR
Subject: Is it just me.....
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 12:12 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041216124200.MAA09533@ladder01.news.aol.com>
...or is there a problem getting on any internet site? Yesterday I was
surfing away, then last night I kept getting this message:
<<Navigation Canceled + More information
Internet Explorer was unable to connect to the Web page you requested because
navigation was canceled. There are several reasons why this might happen:
You clicked the Stop button before the page finished loading.
You have chosen not to view secure content, or have enabled ratings.
The page might not be available at this time.
Your modem is not connected, and Internet Explorer did not find any offline
content to display. For more information about browsing offline, click Unable
to retrieve Web page in Offline mode. >>
The only one I can think would fit not being able to access ANY website is
<<The page might not be available at this time. >>
Please tell me I'm not the only one.....!
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: mystery readers website
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 12:24 PM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998041216244700.MAA13786@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Some of you might enjoy this webpage I just located: HomeArts: Mystery Shelf
Happy holidays everyone!
Carolyn on Long Island
Subject: Oops. TDWTWD Alert
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 01:57 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041217574100.NAA26141@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I see in the paper today that the date/day of this movie is between Sunday
night (tonight) and Monday. It will be on at same time 12:15 AM -ABC
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Tidbits
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 02:50 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041218503001.OAA00706@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mary Ann-Sorry your household is so sad. Nothing will help until you FIL is
at peace. Then the rest of you can also find peace.
Toby, You're right. I told you I wasn't born that long ago, so for give me
error. It was Janet Gaynor. Luise Reiner was in Good Earth, right?????
Judi-The wedding sounds like it's going to be fantabulous Can I come? Huh,
please, I'll be good (maybe).
Jan
Reading Cloud Chamber (Dorris) and loving it.
.
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Sannon/tape gripes
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 03:32 PM EDT
From: KRiverbend
Message-id: <1998041219325201.PAA08984@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I know exactly what you are saying---and cannot resist telling you the
following:
Mortimer Adler, very well known at the University of Chicago and for the
Great Books course, wrote a book "How to Read Book" which was well received,
except for one wag who was reviewing and couldn't resist saying: "Now that
Mortimer Adler has written a book on how to read a book, he should read a
book on how to write a book."
Lois K.
Subject: Million Dollar Movie
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 05:22 PM EDT
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998041221224001.RAA21124@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Vox Mom,
Of course you're forgiven.......:) I love movies, but much prefer older,
classic types. When I was a kid, there was a show on channel 9 in NYC called
Million Dollar Movie, and it's theme was Tara's Theme. Anyway, they would
show the same movie everynight for a week, and I believe they would show it
twice on weekend. I don't know how many times I watched classics like Yankee
Doodle Dandy and Public Enemy. Of course I watched things like Abbott
and Costello meet Frankenstein a million times as well.
Toby, who does have a hankering to watch an A&C movie right now.
Subject: Enneagram
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 05:43 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998041221432200.RAA26542@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I give up and will never know where I rank on that blankety-blank Enneagram
test. I have now taken in FOUR times and have yet to obtain a score. I can
load the test just fine, take the dang thing, press "Score Test", and then
get the message that it has failed to load.
I am tired of taking it and feel I know the darn thing by heart now.
Oh well, maybe I would not have liked the results anyway. LOL
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Behave Yourself?
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 06:10 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041222103601.SAA27900@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jan--If you promise to behave yourself I'm never going to invite you. I want
you to be the real Janice, the unterhitzer. Now that would be fun!
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Enneagram
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 06:11 PM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998041222110901.SAA27980@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol, knowing where you are on the enneagram is not all that great. I
wanted to known as the most loving, beneficent, caring person ever put on
this universe, and now I find out what a bossy B---- I am . I am tired of all
these tests not seeing me as I see myself. And I guess I am tired of seeing
myself as I really am. So not loading can be a good thing.
I am headed for the beach for a week by myself so that I can contemplate in
silence my true nature. I am taking along DD's computer and hope that I can
figure out how to communicate with all of you. For the rest of you 8's, was
your placement a surprise? And have you figured out anything good about it?
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Re: Is it just me.....
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 06:47 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041222472801.SAA03470@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jackie 8-) in Utah--I don't know the answer to your Internet problem, but
maybe you can tell me the answer to mine. This is only mildly irritating,
but it happens constantly when I'm checking out web sites. I get a message
at the top of my screen that my browser was unable to connect with the site I
was looking for, while at the same time the site comes up. Exact same URL,
etc. I've just been
clicking it off in the little box at the top left and go one checking it out,
but sometimes it happens several times when I'm on a site with a lot of links
on it. I'm sure it must be a software problem, but I'll be darned if I can
figure out what. Could this have anything to do with the fact that I
installed Netscape in addition to what I had already? It didn't used to
happen.
CAROLYN--When I was a little girl living in Tulsa Patti Page lived across the
railroad tracks from me. She attended the high school I would have attended
if we had stayed there, and when she was still in high school she had a radio
program everyday. We always listened to her, and you can imagine how excited
I was when she had her first hit record.
JUDI--Me too! Me too! I wanna come! And I won't be good, I promise!
MARY ANN--My heart goes out to you. I've been there, and I know how hard it
is. But this, too, will pass. Just pray and hope he's comfortable and feels
your love around him.
In 1927-28 Janet Gaynor win the first Oscar for her role in Seventh Heaven.
Go to this site for all the winners.Academy Awards by year
ROE--You come up a winner every time! You left me no choice but to go with
your suggestion. Now all the newcomers to book nook can be profoundly
perplexed!
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Jane Smiley's newest
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 06:56 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041222562800.SAA07377@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I am very happily reading Jane Smiley's newest, THE ALL-TRUE TRAVELS AND
ADVENTURES OF LIDIE NEWTON, and I love it. The setting is 1850's Kansas, a
time which came in history to be called "bleeding Kansas," because of all the
turmoil and tribulations stemming from the conflict between those against
slavery and those for it. Lidie, aged twenty, who has always been more
interested in reading, shooting, hunting, and riding than in following the
traditional ladies' pursuits of the time,and she moves there as a young bride
from Illinois with her abolitionist husband, Thomas. The writing is
wonderful, the story compelling, and the characters well-drawn and
sympathetic. I'm about halfway through, and I'll let you know how it goes.
So far, it's one of my favorite books during the past year. It's up there
with Memoirs of a Geisha.
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: Is it just me.....
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 07:04 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041223043600.TAA06057@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu you say: don't know the answer to your Internet problem, but maybe
you can tell me the answer to mine.
Well, my problem with the web seems to have solved itself. Don't know what
it was, but I powered down completely and when I came back up--Voila! I was
able to access whatever I wanted.
Now, about your problem--I don't know. I've never had that happen before.
But I do have only one web browser on my system. That would be
irritating--like all the accept or not cookies messages I get since I set my
preferences to warn me of cookies. You would not believe how many cookies
some sites try to send you. I only accept ones from sites where I order
online (like amazon) so that my information gets saved--my shopping basket,
that is <g>
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 07:40 PM EDT
From: BetsyQue
Message-id: <1998041223403901.TAA11501@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Does anyone else remember '"Dark Shadows", the soap with a gothic twist? I
remember the Collins family of Collinsport who lived in Collinswood. The
plot moved back and forth between the 18th century and present day (I guess I
should the 1960's). Quentin Collins, played by David Selby was the
heartthrob werewolf, and Barnabas Collins, played by Jonathan Frid was the
vampire. Kate Jackson was also a regular player.
Dark Shadows has been shown again on PBS and watching it today, I laugh at
how hoaky it looks, but at the time, I was enthralled (and scared!!)
Betsy currently reading Mortal Fear by Greg Iles.
Betsy in KS
Finite to fail,
but inifinite to venture.
-Emily Dickinson
Subject: Sunday Thoughts
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 07:49 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998041223492000.TAA15493@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Ann -- my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family now and in
the days ahead as you are faced with the loss of your FIL.
Mari Lu -- I especially like your quote: "There are only two ways to live
your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though
everything is a miracle. "- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Jo Anne in San Jose -- a snake? eeeeeekkkkk
Judi -- so glad the wedding plans are settling in. It sounds like a lovely
site. If I bring my own place setting, may I come too???
Sally, finishing THE BETRAYAL by Sabin Willett... a thriller (readers copy)
that keeps me turning those pages.
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Sunday Walk Thru
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 08:39 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041300400101.UAA21110@ladder01.news.aol.com>
MARILU: I get the same response on occasion when I am on the net - just as
it tells me I can't get there, I am there. I think it is more to do with the
search engine or browser you are using at that time - some of them do not
have clearance for certain sites, I was told. Also, some of the sites are
old & have ceased to function.
I was skipping around through some of the medical places yesterday & this
happened a lot. I don't think it's you - it may be Netscape - but I doubt
it. It is more likely to be the site itself.
JUDI: Oh oh - you mean ----- we all weren't invited? Oh dear -
MARYANN: Best wishes that your life resumes a normal pace soon - good
thoughts & prayers your way as your family faces this loss.
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Speaking of Nancy Drew...
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 10:01 PM EDT
From: BRULE31415
Message-id: <1998041302013500.WAA05602@ladder01.news.aol.com>
My daughter 10 just boubht her first Nancy Drew with gugt certificate easter
bunny left in basket. so far she loves it. My older daughter 15 who also
enjoyed Nancy really encouraged her to get it telling laura she like it. Of
course anything suzanne liked is good enough for laura
Subject: Re: Catherwood
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 10:28 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041302284000.WAA13000@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Roe -- Can't wait to meet you. I ADORED Catherwood! You and me and two
other people in the universe! I was so sure that it would be a bestseller.
Cissie
Subject: Re: Queen For a Day
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 10:30 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041302302900.WAA13322@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Roe -- I didn't want all the angst that came before being "Queen". I just
wanted the prizes! Mainly, the washer and dryer.
Cissie
Subject: Re: Sannon/tape gripes
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 10:37 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041302374800.WAA12138@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Lois -- LOL over your Adler comment. My DH always insists on taking Adler to
the beach. I have tried to tell him that this is not appropriate beach
reading. Wonder why he falls asleep after about 5 minutes and I can read all
night??
Cissie
Subject: Mary Ann
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 10:42 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041302422200.WAA12950@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thinking about you and your family. For me, the best way to think about what
you're going through is that "death is turning out the light, for morning has
come." May it be so for your family.
Cissie
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 11:06 PM EDT
From: VKRN
Message-id: <1998041303061201.XAA17228@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Betsy - I definitely remember Dark Shadows and the vampire Barnabas. I had to
hurry home from school every day do I wouldn't miss it!!! Remember the music
box that played?
Venda in Illinois
Carpe Diem
Subject: Enneagram, etc.
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 11:13 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041303135600.XAA21188@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Well, I took the test and if any of you need a mediator let me know. I came
out a 9, and of the descriptions at the end, I chose the one marked
Well-balanced 9, rather than one of the less stable 9s. Why not? Who needs to
know one is a pest? I think, K-K-Carol, if you can't get a score, it might
be the test is confused by your multiple sparkling personalities. I'll bet if
Warren tried to take it, the computer would TILT.
Judi, I'll even put on a clown outfit or, better yet, my burlesque queen
tassels if you're really looking for that kind of enteretainment.(Just ask
Carol, the Marco Maniac aobut my beautiful fuschia sequined pasties.)
Marilu-I too get that confusing double message when I try to get to the web;
first it says I can't be connected and then there I am, connected. What the
hey? I've been lied to before so not to worry.
Ciao, Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Happy Easter/Happy Passover
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 11:19 PM EDT
From: TheSussMan
Message-id: <1998041303192501.XAA22097@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I'm slowly trying to get caught up with all the posts here, but I still can't
keep up. If everyone would stop writing so much, I'd be able to read all the
posts. <g> Anyway, I hope all my Book Nook friends are doing well, and I
want to wish you all a Happy Easter or Happy Passover.
My mother prepared a Passover seder for us tonight. I know it's a little
late, but today was the only day we could get most of the family together.
Today is also my parents' 34th anniversary.
Timothy was on Spring Break this past week, but he went to Las Vegas with his
mother. They were visiting a friend of hers who lives there, and she has a
son who is only 5 weeks older than Timothy. They arrived back on Thursday,
and Timothy said he had a great time. We spent Friday and Saturday together,
but today he was with his mother for Easter. Timothy returns to school on
Monday, and the baseball season resumes Monday night. Timothy's team is
0-2-1 so far, but their two losses came against the two best teams in the
league.
I don't know if anyone mentioned the tornadoes in Alabama or Georgia, but
they indirectly affected me. I'm fine as the first tornado touched down 5
miles south of my apartment. However, as the tornadoes headed eastward, they
destroyed the car dealership where I bought my car and wreaked havoc in
suburbs 20 miles away. Some of my customers have tornado damage, and my
assistant manager's two sisters both had severe damage to their homes.
In some of the posts that I've read, many of you are mentioning a personality
test. Can someone please e-mail me the url of the test? Thanks.
Finally, here's a joke for everyone celebrating Passover:
A British Jew is waiting on line to be knighted by the Queen. He is to kneel
in front of her and recite a sentence in Latin when she taps him on the
shoulders with her sword. However, when his turn comes, he panics in the
excitement and forgets the Latin.
Then, thinking, fast, he recites the only other sentence he knows in a
foreign language, which he remembers from the Passover seder: "Ma nishtana ha
layla hazeh mi kohl ha laylot."
Puzzled, Her Majesty turns to her advisor and whispers, "Why is this knight
different from all other knights?"
I'm going to try and catch up this week! :-)
Mike
Mike Sussman's Thrillers & Audiobooks
http://members.aol.com/thesussman/home.htm
Subject: Re: Million Dollar Movie
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 11:21 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998041303210800.XAA19867@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I remember Million Dollar Movie, I don't remember how many times I have seen
King Kong, Mighty Joe Young or The Boy with the Green Hair (anybody remember
that movie)? I thought Tara's Theme was from Million Dollar Movie. I was
surprised to hear it in Gone with the Wind years later.
Anybody remember The Late Show and The Late, Late Show?
Mercedes
Subject: Two new reviews
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 11:21 PM EDT
From: TheSussMan
Message-id: <1998041303212700.XAA22435@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Here are reviews of two audiobooks I listened to recently:
THE STREET LAWYER
Although John Grisham's The Street Lawyer is not as thrilling as his other
legal thrillers, it's better than most of his recent books. The story starts
with a bang when a homeless man takes a group of attorney hostage. After the
lawyers are rescued when the homeless man is shot, Drake & Sweeney associate
Michael Brock wants to know what led the man over the edge. Michael discovers
that Drake & Sweeney illegally evicted a number of homeless people, and in
his efforts to get at the truth, he steals a file. Now an advocate for the
homeless, Michael must fight to save his legal career while he also tries to
right his old firm's wrongs.
The only action in the book takes place in the first few chapters while
Michael and his fellow attorneys are being held hostage, but Grisham is able
to maintain our interest by telling a good story. We root for Michael and
feel for his new clients and are educated abouth the plight of the homeless.
Although Grisham gets a bit too preachy and political, it doesn't distract
from the story. The difference may be that the issues are expressed in the
characters' voices instead of Grisham's. I wouldn't classify The Street
Lawyer as a true legal thriller, but I hope Grisham continues to write more
novels that entertain and make us think.
The audio version is 12 tapes, unabridged, published by BDD, and read by the
incomparable Frank Muller. (There is also an abridged version available). In
his own unique style, Muller expresses all the emotions Grisham wants to
convey. He becomes each character and makes Michael's conversion from a
self-absorbed attorney to a lawyer with a conscience more believable.
Muller's presence takes Grisham's writing to a higher level and makes The
Street
Lawyer a must-listen.
DUST
As the millenium draws to a close, the number of end-of-the-world novels
seems to be growing, and Charles Pellegrino's Dust is another book with this
theme. Insect life is disappearing, crops are failing, bats are seeking out
new prey and spreading a disease they didn't use to carry, a mite infestation
literally devours a Long Island town, and fighting is breaking out in
countries
all over the world. These random events are actually the start of a
biological chain reaction that could cause the mass extinction of most of the
world's species, including humans. Paleobiologist Richard Sinclair leads the
group of scientists who are first to become aware of the crisis and who hope
to come up with a solution that might enable humankind to survive.
Dust is not an uplifting story, and Pellegrino's main purpose seems to be
using this fictional scenario to warn and educate us that we're not immune to
the forces of nature and that the extinction of one species can have drastic
effects on other species. While this scientific thriller is very suspenseful,
it's also very depressing. The science is fascinating and makes the book a
scary thriller, but it also makes us ponder what the
future might bring. Although the story is a bit uneven, fans of speculative
fiction might want to give it a try.
The audio is 4 tapes, abridged, published by Simon & Schuster, and
masterfully read by Jay O. Sanders. He describes the plagues and terrors in a
matter-of-fact manner that will leave listeners shivering. Sanders portrays a
number of characters, and his reading brings them to life. Unfortunately, the
audio suffers from a too choppy abridgement that sometimes makes the story
difficult to follow.
Mike
Mike Sussman's Thrillers & Audiobooks
http://members.aol.com/thesussman/home.htm
Subject: Re: My web site is finished!!
Date: Sun, 12 April 1998 11:22 PM EDT
From: TheSussMan
Message-id: <1998041303224500.XAA22687@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thank you everyone who has checked out my new web site, and thanks for your
comments and encouragement.
Mike
Mike Sussman's Thrillers & Audiobooks
http://members.aol.com/thesussman/home.htm
Subject: Thanks
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 12:06 AM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998041304065901.AAA29825@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thanks for all your kind thoughts this weekend. Pop died quite peacefully
today. DH and DD were with him until about an hour before he died - they
called us from the hospital. Then we all went to tell his mother which was
hard. She understood though and cried and cried. Oh, dear.
Exhausted tonight but thanks again. I'm glad it was quick for him and
without much suffering. Night all - I'm going to bed to read.
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Quentin's Theme?
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 12:24 AM EDT
From: E1 BOZ
Message-id: <1998041304245801.AAA29918@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Wasn't it Quentin's Theme --- the musicbox music from Dark Shadows? I
LOVED watching that every afternoon!
Carole #1 In Upstate NY, currently reading "Evening Class, by Maeve Binchy."
"If you are not afraid to face the music, you may one day lead the band"...
Subject: Finally Caught Up!
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 12:35 AM EDT
From: CLKMcG
Message-id: <1998041304350200.AAA01450@ladder01.news.aol.com>
It's taken me more than two hours to read the 159 posts you all have written
since Thursday, the last time I was here in Book Nook! I shudder to think of
how far I'll get behind next week when we're gone for five days!!
Judi: Nancy Drew et al lived in Riverheights. And I have another kiddy
quote for your FDIL's book. This might go in the chapter: Charming Tales
We've Told Our Chidren. Nicky, 6 1/2, asked to borrow my binoculars the
other day when we had a beautiful rainbow in the sky. A few minutes later he
came back in, and crossly told me, "Mom, I looked at both ends of that
rainbow and
didn't see ANY lephrechans and not ONE piece of gold!"
MercG: I loved The Lorretta Young Show, too! Now that would be a great one
for Nick at Nite to show, except that Miss Young owns the rights to it and
refuses to let it be shown out of vanity. She didn't want to be seen in out
of style clothing! Anyway, she occasionally portrayed an oriental on the
show. One episode had her Japanese character working for a Christian family
at
Christmas time. They had a Nativity set under their tree that the character
didn't understand until the lady of the house explained it to her. She then
spoke to the figure of the baby Jesus and said something like, "You not know
me..." My Grandmother was watching it with my sister and me way back in the
early 60s and said in response, "You not know me. I not know you. We not
know each other." My sister and I were ROTF, we laughed so hard!
Betsy: I loved Dark Shadows, too! It was remade in the early 90s with a
well known cast, including Jean Simons, but it didn't do well and was
cancelled.
Mari Lu: Love all of your new quotes!
JoAnn (Goodreader): A lot of the Judy Boltons were written in the 30s. This
series differed from Nancy Drew in that the books were written in sequence
and the characters aged and changed. They are dated, of course, but still
interesting to read today.
Suzanne: And any other Nookers who didn't send bios to either Nancy or
Jackie. If you'd like to add your birthdays to the list, please post them so
we may add them to the calendars. The actual year is unnecessary!
~Cheri~
"Woe be to him that reads but one book."
.....George Herbert 1593--1633
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 10:00 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041314003100.KAA09106@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Leslie:
With all the tornadoes in your area I was praying very hard for you and your
family. Thank God your okay.
Come back to Fredonia Chat we miss you. Its on Wednesday and Saturdays at
9:00 pm.
Fond Regards,
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Body Beautiful
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 10:08 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041314092601.KAA12506@ladder03.news.aol.com>
No, this isn't a suggestion of a book to allow you to return to yoru former
bodies but a thought and suggestion as the nice weather returns.
In my attempts to look better I have gone on a massive do over period of my
life. Besides visiting a nutritionist once a week and reading all labels for
calorie and fat content, I have also started an earnest plan of exercise. In
addition to indoor exercises and with a lovely park and track nearby I am now
also walking upwards of a half an hour a day. At first, I listened to music
but while at the library the other day I investigated their audio
library. I am currently listening to My Antonia by Willa Cather. Sure, I
read this a long time ago but thought a rehearing was in order. I'm still
not convinced that I will ever LOVE listening to tapes but it sure makes my
walks pleasant and today I stretched my walk another 20 minutes so I could
get to the end of the tape.
So to all book nookers get out there, stretch those legs and most of all,
stretch those minds.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Two Weeks!
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 10:23 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041314233401.KAA14029@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Sorry to do this here, but it is more efficient at this time. All future
dealings will be conducted through e mail.
Our NYC reunion is only two weeks away- Monday, April 27th. With that in
mind I want to be absolutely sure I know who will be joining with us then.
I have the following people coming:
Mari Lu - Marilu3123
Celeste
Judi - Write Judi
Carol - GRADGLASS
Nina - NVLehman
Suzanne - Skill40
Jayne- Yankee Nana
Sally- Aymster54
Nancy - HRDCOVERS
Jan- VoxMom
Joan- SlivlocMom
Barb - Magpiefly
Warren-Sandquist
Nancy - NRK18
If you are planning on coming and yoru name doesn't appear, please let me
know. I understand that at the last minute things will happen or change
(let's hope not) and the resevation I made and will reconfrim isn't set in
stone but it is better to know who will show etc....In a private e mail I
will include my phone number for last minute changes and suggest that you
send me yours or where you can be reached too just in case.
Thanks and looking forward to meeting and greeting!!!
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 10:32 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041314325001.KAA12585@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Judi:
Finally getting caught up on Post. The SS and the Sleep Nazi your soooooo
funny. I can picture your Mom with the bull whip. Oh, what kids think!!! I
loved One Man's Family (the Barbour family) on Sunday nights. I would beg to
stay up that late. I did not have my radio until my 13th birthday.
Remember listening to the Celtic's Basketball games with static from Boston
so bad had to keep turning the radio around to hear Johnny Most.
We did not have television in Main until I was 19 years old. First time I
saw a tv was at my Aunt's home in Marblehead Mass. It was a screen very
small screen in a big big cabinet. I could not believe we would be able to
see people moving around and it facinated me beyond words.
Have a happy Monday! See you in NYC doesn't that sound great!!!!
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Is it just me.....
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 10:57 AM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041314575900.KAA15563@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jackie 8-) in Utah--I downloaded Netscape, because I wanted to access a
program for composing crossword puzzles, (the old Crossword Magic I had for
older Macs no longer works, and I didn't want to go out and spend good money
for another one I might use only three or four times), and I was told I
couldn't access it, because I needed JAVA and didn't have it.
I downloaded the free version of Netscape to get JAVA (it took an hour and
twenty minutes to download!), but I still can't get the program I wanted,
because now it says it takes Netscape Applets, which the free downloaded
version apparently doesn't have. It seems they want you to pay for
everything, so they want $34.95 to get Applets. It's not worth it to me, so
I'm not going to pay for it. There are very few things I want on the
Internet which I
can't get for free, so why pay for it?
I guess that sounds as though I'm a cheapskate, but why should I pay for
something I seldom use when I can get so much for nothing?
SOOOOOOOOO--That brings up my original problem: Does anyone know where I can
get a free program on line that makes crossword puzzles from a list of
vocabulary words? It took me hours to make up one from scratch yesterday.
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: Million Dollar Movie
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 11:18 AM EDT
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998041315185201.LAA18053@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mercedes.........
I was too young towatch the Late Show, but would watch The Early Show. You
may have been surprised that Tara's Theme was from GWTW. I was surprised to
find out that The Syncopated Clock was a real song, and not the theme for a
movie show!!!
Toby, who digs Leroy Anderson.
Subject: Silicon Snake Oil
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 01:10 PM EDT
From: Spumony2
Message-id: <1998041317105801.NAA05207@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Recently, I had a lot of fun listening to Clifford Stoll, a computer
security analyst for NASA and author of Silicon Snake Oil. I was at a
professional conference in a huge auditorium full of suits when this wiry man
with a shock of white hair like Einstein's jumped onto the stage and peered
at us from crouched behind the podium. He sported baggy khakis and a denim
shirt and drank from a carton of chocolate milk. He literally
bounced all over the stage and into the audience while he spoke. Too funny.
His book, Silicon Snake Oil, details some of his skepticism regarding the
Information Age, computers, and the Internet. He's not so sure that the
Information Age is the wave of the future, that people without computer
skills will not have jobs a century from now, and that the Internet is the
greatest thing since sliced bread. I'll summarize some of his thoughts.
"What jobs will exist 100 years from now?" he asked us. "Well," he
explained, "there will probably be doctors. And there will be gardeners and
plumbers and taxicab (or spacecraft) drivers. Sadly, there will also be
lawyers and politicians. How many of these professions are inextricably
linked with hi-tech computer skills?"
"Do I care if my dentist has a webpage? NO! I care that my dentist knows
how to drill my tooth to make it feel better. And I DON'T want my dentist
learning how to drill my tooth from a computer program. What else do I want
my dentist to be able to do? I want him/her to be able to put his/her hand
on my shoulder and tell me my tooth is going to get better after the
drilling. I want my dentist to be able to inspire my trust. Is my dentist
going
to learn how to do that by surfing the web? By participating in chat rooms?
I don't think so."
"We talk so much about virtual reality. What does that mean? I go to the
auto shop and the mechanic tells me that my car is 'virtually' done. To me
'virtually' means it's NOT done. So 'virtual' reality is NOT reality! And
we're touting how much this is going to play in training and education.
Hmmm..."
"The thing that concerns me the most about the Internet is how people are
claiming it will replace paper. Who wants to read Huckleberry Finn on the
computer? My finger starts itching to click the mouse after three minutes.
I want to hold a book in my hands, just like everyone else. Many decades
ago, Thomas Edison claimed that educational film would completely replace
textbooks and teachers. Do me a favor - name three educational films you
watched in school that affected you. Now name three teachers who affected
you; it's a lot easier. Films and the Internet are not going to replace
books, and it just cheeses me off that libraries are getting higher budgets
for multimedia and computers and less money for books and librarians'
salaries."
"I asked 12 people in my neighborhood what they wanted in a library. Six of
them told me they weren't going to give me any money and shut the door in my
face. The other six said they wanted a wide variety of books, including new
releases, a helpful librarian, storybook hour for children, and new
magazines. Interestingly, no one said they wanted a html authoring program
or books on CD-ROM."
Stoll was quite a character who forced us training and performance
professionals to think hard about our careers and the next century. He
challenged us to prove him wrong because he stands to make a lot of money if
his skepticism is unfounded. Basically, he advised us all to proceed with
caution.
I recommend his book - it's funny and relevant. Proceed with caution.
Spumony2 / Cathy `,)
who just finished A Year in Provence and loved it.
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 02:48 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041318482101.OAA18365@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Sally"
I mentioned Grand Central Station last week. And think the train would go
right through the Station.
Looking forward to seeing on the 27th.
Diane called yesterday to wish me a Happy Easter. We talked for over an
hour. Golly, I miss her!!!
Regards,
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Two Weeks!
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 04:28 PM EDT
From: Jibs Kid
Message-id: <1998041320285500.QAA00618@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I am soooo jealous of your meeting in NYC---would love to come---what a cast
of characters!!
I have a friend coming from New Orleans to Cincy for the annual flower show
leaving on that Sunday and my parents from Houston will be here on May 1st
that Friday---would consider
but gotta cook, clean and plan for my visitors.
We are going to Cleveland on Wed. to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame--my kids
begged us--
I would love to go up to Niagara Falls--but think it a bit far for the amt.
of time we have.
Happy Spring!!!
sv
currently reading Object Lessons--have not been reading much lately we have
been on a movie rental kick---all great movies--Breakfast at Tiffany's,
Cocoon, Pink Panther--my
kids had not seen any of them--we tied them to the couch and made them
watch--they
though Pink Panther was corny--sorta agree--at the time it came out I thought
it was
sooooo funny.
Subject: February & March Books
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 05:15 PM EDT
From: LauraD915
Message-id: <1998041321155401.RAA08035@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hello, Book Nookers. Belated Happy Easter and Blessed Passover to those who
celebrate those holidays. Despite the fact that I haven't posted in at least
two months, I've missed this place and all of you. Schoolwork swallered me
up like the whale that ate Jonah. One month to go for this semester, two
weeks off, and then summer session begins. I hope to catch up messages to
find out what
everyone's reading, and what's going on in your lives.......it'll probably
take a while, so I thought I'd post a "hello" message, and my book lists from
February and March.
February (in order of preference)
Ellen Foster - Kaye Gibbons
Crooked Little Heart - Anne Lamott
Evening Class - Maeve Binchy
The Forgetting Room - Nick Bantock
Ladder of Years - Anne Tyler
Life Support - Tess Gerritsen
Up Island - Anne Rivers Siddons
March (in order of preference)
Into Thin Air: A Personal Account of the Mount Everest Disaster - Jon
Krakauer
A Gracious Plenty - Sheri Reynolds
Joy School - Elizabeth Berg
Chasing Cezanne - Peter Mayle
Murder at the MLA - DJH Jones
A Virtuous Woman - Kaye Gibbons
Homecoming - Belva Plain
'F' is for Fugitive - Sue Grafton
The Notebook - Nicholas Sparks
Laura (in upstate NY) - currently reading Wait Till Next Year by Doris Kearns
Goodwin
Subject: Best April Book
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 05:30 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041321304700.RAA10392@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Just finished "The Short History of a Prince" by Jane Hamilton. This is my
favorite of hers -- and I've loved them all. She hits all the big themes --
love, passion, rejection, isolation, sexuality, family tensions, death. Her
writing is beautiful and the characters are all so rich and full, even the
minor ones. I'll not forget this book or these characters for a long, long
time.
My son is home for spring break and I'm already about to lose it over the
inertia. How he can sit there all day (well, not all day. He sleeps for the
first half.)and channel surf is beyond me. Ooooh. Patience, patience.
Cissie
Subject: Kaye Gibbons Reading 4/23/98 - Albany, NY
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 05:46 PM EDT
From: LauraD915
Message-id: <1998041321462301.RAA12943@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Kaye Gibbons will be giving a reading at the SUNY Albany downtown campus at
8:00 p.m. on April 23rd. Feel free to e-mail me for
directions..........(make sure the e-mail address says only "LauraD915" -- if
the @aol.com part is there it will get bounced, as I have the mail controls
set.)
Laura (in upstate NY) - currently reading Wait Till Next Year by Doris Kearns
Goodwin
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 06:52 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041322523200.SAA24030@ladder01.news.aol.com>
In reading over my last post, while once again catching up, I see I made a
few errors. Ok Judi- I think it was John Cameron Swayze - the Timex guy -
who had the show You Are There and Murrow's show was See It Now. I do know
the difference between the Swayzes even if I can't type. LOL
I also used to love Beat the Clock and even reember a baord game that
challenged you to do weird things against an egg timer.
Do you also remember Pinky Lee?
The musuem you mentioned moved recently and has odd hours. We never check
ahead and always seems to be closed when we get there.
Cheef - what can I say - read one Russian author , read them all. besides
which hwo do we know that Tolstoy and Dosteosvsky aren't the same person.
ROTFL
Mari Lu -
"Every day I get up and look through the Forbes list of the richest
people in America. If I'm not there, I go to work. "
- Robert Orben
This quote reminds me of how my mom used to answer me when I asked a
particular question.
I would ask my mom in the evenings, "What are you going to do tomorrow." She
would then say, "If I wake up in the morning and am sure I'm alive, I'll
decide." As good as my sense of humor is, my mom's was the best.
Sally - today young women read the Sweet Valley High sdries by francine
poascal - at least I think they do. Also lots of RL Stine. i read his adult
book and would never suggest any of his works to anyone but thats me.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Going any place?
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 06:54 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041322545300.SAA24393@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I just found this terrific site. It will give you an almost instant map for
any street address in the US! There's another which will also do that, but I
think this one is clearer.Maps On Us: A Map, Route and Yellow Pages ServiÉ
CISSIE--I agree with your assessment of THE SHORT HISTORY OF A PRINCE, by
Jane Hamilton. I found it slow to get into, but well worth it once I did.
I'm also finding Jane Smiley's new one my favorite of hers. My copy of
GHOSTS FROM THE NURSERY, TRACING THE ROOTS OF VIOLENCE arrived today. It's
next on my list.
*****Nancy in NJ*****I'm getting so excited! BTW it's Celesta, with an "a"
on the end. Isn't that a pretty name? Sounds heavenly! And MY ANTONIA is
one of my all-time favorites.
MIKE--I'm so glad you and yours were spared in the tornadoes. A lot of
people like to razz Californians about our earthquakes, but I've been through
both them and tornadoes, and I'll take the earthquakes any day! They don't
happen as often. I glad you're safe. Boy! five miles! That's close!
SALLY--<<I especially like your quote: "There are only two ways to live your
life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though
everything is a miracle. "- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)>> That's the one I
was going to use until Roe combined several into an unreadable conglomeration
which I couldn't
resist. I'll probably come back to this one after a couple days though!
It's the story of my life!
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: Trivial trivia
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 06:55 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041322550000.SAA26993@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I think Luise Rainier also won a Oscar for The Good Earth and then never made
another movie. There seems to be a curse about winning an Oscar with your
first movie and then fading away.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 06:58 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041322590001.SAA27700@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Merc - you don't remember Perry Como - he used to sing "Letters, we get
letters, we get lots and lots of letters." Then he woudl read fan mail and
sing. He was so soothing - wish he was around now - I was only 9 then and
already stressed out except in those days we didn't knwo what to call it.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 07:00 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041323003700.TAA27950@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Another trip down memory lane. Anybody else remember Peggy Lee singing, How
Much is the Doggie in the Window. " I had a stuffed anumal and when you
wound it up, this si what you heard.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 07:01 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041323015400.TAA25642@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Uh oh - I did it again- I think Patti Page sang about the dog but I remember
Peggy Lee now - she sang that fiery song Fever.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Million Dollar Movie
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 07:05 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041323051400.TAA28749@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I remember the Million Dollar Movie and the movie which was on at 5 everyday
before the news was on at that hour. The theme of the Early Show was The
Syncopated Clock. In those days it was such a treat to watch a movie in
one's home but now ....we just got a bootlegged copy of Titanic which is
selling on the streets of Manhattan and DD is insisting we buy a huge tv for
proper viewing. The tape was only $10 so....
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Sunday Thoughts
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 07:16 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041323162901.TAA00857@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Include MercG for the NY reunion.
Mary Ann- sorry to hear about yoru FIL. My thoughts and prayers are with all
of you at this time.
Judi - wedding sounds super. You and Kim's parents can plan our parties
anytime.
Mike - glad to hear that you're ok - I was wondering if anybody on the boards
was affected by this weekends weather.
Mercedes- you can always tell a New Yorker - of course I remember The Late
Show and The Late, Late Show. You must also remember Teh Early Show too.
Toby - now I see you already mentioned The Syncopated Clock - I could hum
this in my sleep.
Funny how one associates music from films and tv only. While listening to
Zarazustra, DD said sometime ago,"Oh you're listening to movie themes - thats
the one from 2001:Space Odyssey."
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Two new reviews
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 08:30 PM EDT
From: MKinkel948
Message-id: <1998041400302600.UAA11616@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mike, did you review T. Jefferson Parker's "WHERE SERPENTS LIE?" Maybe I
missed the review, I sure would like to see what you think of it.
Thank you, Marlene
PS I liked the "STREET LAWYER." I enjoy all Grisham's books, but they do
not keep me on the edge like Parkers...
Marlene in So Calif
Let your day be a garden of pleasure and your year blossom with every dream
that is close to your heart.
Subject: Re: February & March Books
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 08:35 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998041400353900.UAA12595@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Laura: What a wonderful two months of books! No wonder you didn't have time
to post. Two of my recent faves were on your list...Crooked Little Heart and
Into Thin Air. I am currently on a major Anne Lamott tear, having devoured
and loved every word of Operating Instructions. As for Into Thin Air...it was
number one in 1997 for me. This past weekend I saw the Everest IMAX
movie...what an experience! Although I don't think it overly dwelled
on the danger or the physiological effects, it did give one a sense of the
enormity and the plunging depths. Some beautiful camera work!!!
Cissie: I'm about 2/3 through A Short History of a Prince and I'm enjoying it
as well. Jane Hamilton is a gifted writer. But, looking at her body of work,
I would have to say that I found Map of the World to be the most complex and
compelling. And as for your son...since mine is 2 and pretty much perpetual
motion, I'm finding it hard to imagine inertia! Maybe you should look at it
as his time to rest up from how busy he was at 2!!!
Diane in S. Florida
Reading A Short History of a Prince
Subject: Virtual Reference Desk
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 08:47 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041400473700.UAA14842@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Here is a site with lots of words--for all you word-lovers out there:
My Virtual Reference Desk - A One-Stop Site for All Things Internet
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Monday night
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 11:15 PM EDT
From: TheSussMan
Message-id: <1998041403154101.XAA12880@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Marlene - I haven't read "Where Serpents Lie," but I've heard that it's
pretty good. In fact, I've never read T. Jefferson Parker, but he is one of
the authors I would like to try.
Mari Lu - 5 miles is nothing. In my nearly 22 years in Atlanta, two or three
times tornadoes have struck closer to where I lived. Several years ago, a
tornado destroyed a gas station across the street from the apartment complex
that Shae and I lived in a few years earlier. And in 1993, a killer tornado
went through Jasper, GA (about 50 miles north of Atlanta) where Shae and I
had some land. We had already separated at the time and had never
built on the land, but Shae told me that the lot was completely destroyed
with fallen trees. A newly built house across the street was destroyed.
However, I've been lucky to never have experienced a tornado first-hand.
Jackie & Nance - Thanks for sending me links to the personality tests sites.
I haven't checked them out yet, but will let you know what number I am when I
do.
Last night I added a guest book to my web site. Please feel free to sign and
view it.
Timothy's baseball team almost won tonight. They came from behind to take an
8-6 lead, and Timothy got the hit that scored the 7th and 8th runs. He was
very excited as this was only his second hit of the season. They went into
the bottom of the last inning leading 10-7, but couldn't hold the lead and
lost 11-10. But the team is playing much better. Next game is Saturday.
Have a good evening!
Mike
Mike Sussman's Thrillers & Audiobooks
http://members.aol.com/thesussman/home.htm
Subject: Old timers
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 11:26 PM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998041403264400.XAA14915@ladder01.news.aol.com>
My DH has a CD with Peggy Lee's hits that includes FEVER. He plays it all the
time.
He also watches the Honeymooners almost every night at 9:30 on WGN out of
Chicago & is ROTFLHAO everytime it's on. These are a few of the *old* things
he refuses to give up!
What about The Hit Parade? I still love the Banana Boat
song....day...day-ay-ay oh...daylight come & me wanna go home... (be glad
you can't hear me sing it.)
I remember the first time I saw the NBC peacock in LIVING COLOR. To this day,
no colors compare to the brilliance of seeing those for the first time.
As to reading...I finished & LOVED .These Is My Words. Started Holding Out &
will probably finish, but started Nora Robert's Homeport before I did. So
far, it is not my favorite one of hers, but will give it more time. I also
brought home one called One-Thousand White Women: The Journals of May Dodd by
Jim Fergus. It is based on an actual historical event about a woman who
travels west in 1875 &
marries the chief of the Cheyenne nation. Those of you who enjoy stuff about
Indians (is that PC?) or peeking into other's lives like I do should like
this one. If it's half as good as These Is MY Words, it will be a keeper.
I tested out as a 7 on the enneagram, with the next highest score in the 8
category. Need to go back & see what that means. I think it means I like to
have fun but I am also bossy? My DH would agree with that.
We are gathering up stuff at my DH's furniture store to take to the tornado
victims. He is also sending out some furniture & mattresses. If I get to go
with them I will report back to y'all. It really is terrible out there. So
many are without ANYTHING.
Night everybody. Hope to get back to Fredonia this Wed.
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Re: Silicon Snake Oil
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 11:38 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998041403383300.XAA17059@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi Cathy - basically I couldn't agree more. I think the Internet offers one
service that I love, besides this form of communication which I haven't
experienced before but I like - but then again, this is words and
correspondence, isn't it? So it's not that different from what I have always
liked. Besides that, I do like the library aspects of it. For instance, at
work I have a whole law
library at my finger tips which makes my research much easier - other than
that, I don't see the Internet offering me much. I certainly don't intend to
watch movies, read books or crochet bedspreads on it.
Back to normal life today, in a way. DH & I went out to dinner and talked
about his father. The main character aspect we thought stood out about him
was that he had a really good mind. I'm very angry at my second son, who,
because he's in a fight with his brother and sister, wasn't here for his
father this weekend. I'm shocked that he doesn't realize that his duty to
his father comes before any petty thing like that. I hope I get over it
because
I love him very much but the degree of his selfishness stuns me sometimes.
It's not like he's ever changed - he's always been this way. 30 years - I
should be used to it by now.
Wrote a good Petition today and asked for $32,00 in fees for us. I've never
done that before - let's see if I get away with it or not. We won our client
at least $700,000, plus all medical for life, plus we'll be working for her
forever without pay - the insurance company has already begun giving her a
hard time by not paying her YMCA bill for the water therapy she needs and has
been getting for two years. They just haven't gotten around to
paying it, so she's been without therapy for 6 weeks now. It always happens
with lifetime medical - so I thought I'd go for it. The court only awarded
us $16,000 (Work Comp - not a high paying job!).
All my boys, DH, DS #1 AND DS #1's roommate are watching "Her Majesty's
Secret Service" - they turn it off before the end. I'm glad to see new Diana
Rigg fans amongst the young. (Sort of young).
night all -
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Old timers
Date: Mon, 13 April 1998 11:44 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041403444000.XAA18141@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<I tested out as a 7 on the enneagram, with the next highest score in the 8
category. Need to go back & see what that means. I think it means I like to
have fun but I am also bossy?>> LOL, Leslie! Finally another 7-Epicure! I
am a pretty solid 7 (90%) my next highest was a 9--Mediator. I think this
must mean I am a happy peace-maker! What do you think?
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: February & March Books
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 12:56 AM EDT
From: Gymeni2
Message-id: <1998041404563201.AAA29964@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hello, I am new to this board. Could someoone inform me as to what this
board is about. Thanks
Carolyn's Secretarial Service
Life is nothing if you are not happy.
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 01:12 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998041405120301.BAA04708@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I've been lurking, lurking and enjoying all the posts.
Perry Como - I had a crush on him at the age of 2. Family legend has it that
I would beg to stay up and watch him...and they let me!
I saw the June Taylor Dancers and Jackie Gleason, which I loved. How did
they make those designs while they danced? But, has anyone mentioned
Lawrence Welk? I remember snuggling up on my Grandfather's lap, watching The
Lawrence Welk Show. (Totally wierd today, but that was then.) We discussed
the Lennon Sisters at length...his favorite was the dark-haired while I liked
the youngest.
And Miss Nancy...I was on it at 5! Anyone else?
Good news on my mom. Her monthly x-ray came back with the report that the
tumors are shrinking. I feel GREAT about that!!!! Thank you all for your
thoughts and prayers.
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner and listening to Downtown by Anne
Rivers Siddons. (And loving both!)
Subject: Wedding--Y'all Come!
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 01:14 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041405141501.BAA02572@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Why, Carol--OF COURSE the entire Book Nook is invited! Whatever made you
think otherwise? By now my DH and I have attained what we call the "What the
F***" mentality: after clothes, airfare, all the wedding costs, the
"lobstah" bake the next night and the honeymoon, what difference would
another 200 or so people make? Of course there are a few stipulations:
• You have to write the entire service in rhyming couplets.
• Jan has to wear her fuschia pasties and dance on the tables.
• Mary Coral can wear whatever she chooses, but she is the lead table
dancer.
• RuthAlice will develop a website and Barbara will create the hyperlink.
• Seating will be divided not by bride's/groom's family and friends but by
individual stances on gun control. People who are Absolutely Right will
sit on
the left, while people who are Absolutely Wrong will sit in their cars
and listen to a Red Sox game.
• Karen will make all the confetti by hand and give it to Pam to throw.
• Mari Lu will tie up pretty little packets of vitamins to put at each
place.
• Lita will personally inspect each lobster to make sure it's not traife.
• Jayne-from-Maine will stand at the door and give each guest a genuine Down
East welcome, involving stuffing guests' pockets with steamers and
lobster bibs.
• Linda will hurl M&Ms at the happy couple.
• Roe will write a thoughtful and erudite column about the affair and
publish it Portland's newspaper.
• I am assisting the caterer by making what will look like stuffed grape
leaves
but will actually be dolmas filling in--what else?--imported (from
California) kelp.
• The caterer will be The Warrens. They will also be the entire 8-piece
band,
photographer, florist, officiant and ring bearer, shoving my grandson
out of the way while shouting, "Just passing by."
• If you were not personally assigned a task, do not be insulted. You are
all
invited and will be given many last-minute, important tasks and will
receive full credit in Roe's column and on the website.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Finally Caught Up!
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 01:25 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041405251301.BAA06365@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cheri--Thanks to you (and Nicky!) for his great quote--it went right into the
book folder. Love it: "I looked through both ends of the binoculars...."
:- ) Tomorrow I'm calling the publisher I sent the proposal to about 10 days
ago. Of course, these people are always "in a meeting" but I'm an 8 and
nothing if not persistent.
Thanks again.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Wedding Redux
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 01:44 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041405440501.BAA06023@ladder01.news.aol.com>
How could I possibly have forgotten to give Nancy a job for the wedding?!
She is the obvious organizer, menu planner, seating coordinator, wine
selector and ombudswoman. Who else could do what it takes quickly and
efficiently? I should have had her go to Maine to find a house and yell at
the screw-up manager of the inn.
BTW, the owner called Jonathan today and is sending him what he asked for in
damages for having to find another place with so little time and that will
also be more expensive. It was very generous and she is a very nice person.
She just needs a new g.m.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 01:45 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041405450301.BAA08601@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I think it was Patti Page wanted to know how much the mutt in the window was.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: My Little Margie
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 01:47 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041405473701.BAA08890@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy in NJ....it was Pattie Page who sang "How Much Is That Doggie In The
Window?" My husband and I had the rare pleasure of seeing Peggy Lee sing,
several years ago, and she was wonderful.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Being An 8
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 01:54 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041405540900.BAA09567@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I have no problem with being an 8. Teachers who are not bossy do not survive.
We just learn to temper it as we live and learn. I just saw Primary Colors
tonight, and my family agrees that I have quite a bit in common with the
Kathy Bates' character. Including a red Chevy truck. Kind of scary, huh? In
the words of Popeye: "I yam what I yam and it's all what I yam."
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: I'm oooooooooooooold
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 01:54 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041405544101.BAA07158@ladder01.news.aol.com>
The first popular song I remember was "I'm a Lonely Little Petunia in an
Onion Patch" and I was convinced that whoever was singing it was inside the
radio. Genius. I think I was 4 or 5. I also remember listening to the top
10 every Saturday morning when I was about 10 or 11 and realizing that every
song was about "LOVE." I couldn't quite understand why.
I loved "Your Hit Parade"! Snooky Lansen and a blonde woman with buck teeth.
Dorothy somebody?
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Greetings from Sunny? California
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 02:35 AM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998041406351201.CAA10803@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi everyone,
I just sat down for a few minutes to check in and realized that it would take
far more than a FEW to read everything! I'm going to be awfully busy when I
get home trying to catch up with you all. The wedding was lovely but I am so
glad it's over. The honeymooners are blissfully playing at Disney World and
Mom and I spent the day returning tuxes and cake plates and various rented
items... fun. I get to drive because I've got the Suburban and she
has to deal with shopkeepers.
The weather is just lovely... cold pelting rain interspersed with periods of
soggy sunshine. I feel like I never left Seattle! So much for the tan I was
planning to get on my expanding waist.
I'm rambling! Off to bed.... remember, if you need me put my name in the
subject line of your message or send me an e-mail because those are the only
things I'm reading (well almost the only things) I'll check in now and
again. I hope all of you are well.
Gina
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: February & March Books
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 02:52 AM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998041406523001.CAA12162@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi Carolyn - you already belong with that great tag line.
Just pitch right in with your life story, your views on every controversial
subject you can think of and your reading list - which will improve immensely
after a few months here. I'm enjoying reading again for the first time in
years and reading better books than I was.
Welcome -
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Plagues & Escrow
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 04:44 AM EDT
From: MizBiz129
Message-id: <1998041408442801.EAA17784@ladder01.news.aol.com>
GRADGLASS - We should close escrow on the same day that your sale completes,
4/15. We were feeling sorry for ourselves and our problems with our sale
until I read your March 20 post, from which fury rose in fiery clouds. I
ran a copy of your post and have shared it with everyone involved in our own
transaction: RE agent, family, concerned neighbors. You seem to be feeling
better and escrow is completing -- congratulations!
Miz
Subject: Re: Wedding--Y'all Come!
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 08:11 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041412113700.IAA29295@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hah - a little nothing! Consider it done right now -
I've packed my little suitcase, I'm ready to take a bow.
My tickets are in order, my dress is brilliant blue -
I'm on my way up North now, & can't wait to see you.
OK guys - let's call her on this one!! LITA - do a good job!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Wedding--Y'all Come!
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 08:17 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041412170501.IAA27275@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Judi:
Judi:
Its about time you invited us to the wedding! I had thought of crashing but
now that I will be the official Maine greeter you make me feel soooo
important!. Do I have to teach all the California guests how to properly eat
a lobster and dunk steam clams into broth and then butter and not the other
way around.
I shall staaart practising my Maine accent again. Like would you like a beer
or is it beaaah.
I am getting very excited about NYC the 27th.!!!! Wish you could come to the
sleep over Book Nook Night Shirt party this Saturday in Albany!!!!
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Getting crossed -
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 08:23 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041412244101.IAA00447@ladder03.news.aol.com>
As blast off day approaches, I am all crossed - fingers, toes, eyes, knees -
you name it! Our lawyer sent the necessary documents last Wednesday by
overnight delivery - try this - nothing Thursday - & of course, Friday &
Monday were holidays in Canada (Good Friday & Easter Monday - NOTHING is
open, not even the lawyer's office!) By yesterday morning we were borderline
frantic, wondering if this closing can take place by fax. We were afraid
to leave here, in case we missed a courier. I went to tennis at 8:30 &
returned at 10:35 - Alex left at 9:25 - that's when Airborne Express dropped
it off & there it was on the doorstep when I got home. Was that the end?
Nope!! The other lawyer spelled the surname of the purchasers - his clients
- incorrectly so all the documents are incorrect. We signed them anyway,
faxed our lawyer of the problems & wished him luck! Tomorrow is the day & I
swear if I have to hand deliver the stuff, I will!! Those of you who know
the power of a box of Matzoh will nod your heads wisely in agreement!
Am reading a very odd book called MT. MISERY - Misery is a psychiatric
hospital (after reading my last paragraph you will, no doubt, sagely nod &
say "no wonder") The doctors seem more in need of help that a lot of the
patients - it is 'sort of' humorous but I'm not sure if this will sustain me
through a few hundred pages of the doctor-hero's questioning why he is there
as an intern in training. It makes the Cuckoo's Nest look like a picnic.
Off to a tennis match
The Maniac of Marco, looking forward to NY in a BIG way
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Wedding Redux
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 08:51 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041412512500.IAA02828@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Lit a- great news about your mom.
Judi, Judi, Judi- I never even noticed that you forgot to mention moi. But
now I must go back and read the stipulations for my attending. Oh my, I just
remembered Martha (as in Martha Stewart) is coming over that day to grout my
bethroom. SOOOORRRY!!!!
Wanna know how to begin a bad day- wake up to the radio telling you that
Martha has made so much money for K- Mart in daddition to all of her other
money making vetnures. Now I ask you folks, what has she got that I don't?
Ok - I read my job and accept but I'm suer long distance you and Jim are
better at selecting a house. Ours now has that shabby chic look they're
talking about or as I refer to it - early shack.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Mt. Misery
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 08:54 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041412545100.IAA03143@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol- Samuel Shem who wrote Mt. Misery, if I'm thinking of the right book,
also wrote Hosue of God which was the basis for the St. Eslehwere tv series.
GREAT NEWS about the house. Another Carol residence I can visit in my mind.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Perry Como
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 09:05 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041413050601.JAA04095@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thanks for reminding me of yet another favorite. However, my grandmother and
her sister quit watching this - and suggested we do the same - when they
found out that Perry Como was Catholic!!! Talk about being raised around
some narrow-minded people.
Cissie
Subject: Re: Dark Shadows
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:25 AM EDT
From: LinSpivey
Message-id: <1998041414253801.KAA12921@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I was a fervant watcher of Dark Shadows as well. I can remember one
storyline of Barnabas raising out of his coffin. The coffin inched open
every day for weeks. The anticipation as well as the bit of fear at what I
would see when the vampire finally appeared was spellbinding.
Watched this show every day for years.
Linda in GA
reading Alias Grace
Subject: Krazy Wedding
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:15 AM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041415151200.LAA18959@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judi-I accept, but I must make sure not to use Krazy Glue when I put on my
fuschia pasties. When we met Gradglass and her SmartAlec, I got so
'fatootsed' that I did make that serious mistake. Something about those
Marco Maniacs causes Kraziness all around (ouch).
Now, I'm so glad you gave our own NRKNancy an assignment, but I'm also glad
that you didn't ask her to proofread the menus or Roe's report. For a
practical matter, do you have to tip all the Warrens, or will one pourboire
suffice?
Lita-Wonderful news about mom. Now you can concentrate on the lobsters. Does
Rokeach make Lobster De-traifer?
Marco-ella: Your lawyer and ours went to the same school. The contracts on
the property we are selling also came with errors. Hmmmmm! Is Nancy now
working as a legal secretary. (Nancy, I love you and hope you don't take
offense, but your psots are priceless).
Gina-Glad the wedding was a success, but you do sound tired. Take it easy.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: I'm oooooooooooooold
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:30 AM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041415303201.LAA18491@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Judi--<<I loved "Your Hit Parade"! Snooky Lansen and a blonde woman with
buck teeth. Dorothy somebody?>>
I think it was Dorothy Landon--that's pretty close, anyway.
I can't wait to come to your wedding!
Tomorrow I plan to be heading
on Delta to Maine
to be greeted by Jayne,
And goodwill I'll be happily spreading.
So much fun by us all will be had!
Great festivity we'll poetically add
To your son's wedding day,
And he'll say, "What the hey?
Those old broads are not really so bad!"
See! You didn't know I was a poet, too, did you? Well, at least a
doggerelette, as Warren might put it.
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:35 AM EDT
From: CKoucky
Message-id: <1998041415350901.LAA19090@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Lita: so glad about your Mom--what good news.
Leslie: Let me know if you like 1,000 White Women. I liked the Unredeemed
Captive alot. NF
Query: How do you pronounce Antonia as in My Antonia. With the accent on
"ni" An-to-NI-a? Have heard it both ways. Thought I'd ask the experts.
Still reading on tape Call it Sleep--The reader seems excellent but I am in
the section where David is being tutored by a rabbi and there is alot of
Hebrew which I think the reader does well but how would I know. Has anyone
else read it on tape?
The reader is George Guidall.
Mike: Thanks for the review of The Street Lawyer. Think I'll have to read
it on tape. Frank Muller is wonderful. Only trouble is that when I read
another mystery with him reading I didn't remember goin throught several
small towns on the way home.
MariLu: Interested in your review of Smiley's new book as the reviews have
been mixed. Let us know how it goes.
MariLu: Loved your dreams poem tag but also like the new ideas.
Time for a walk.
Pat
Subject: Re: Wedding--Y'all Come!
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:54 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998041415551001.LAA21709@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Judi-Sounds like a great wedding to me...count me in. But oy...traife
lobstah?...you're asking the poor little not-quite Yiddisha-keppie who
thought Canadian bacon was the proper Bar Mitzvah fare?
#8 and more - How did you all get a numbers? I can't even get to the site!
All I get is...it won't connect!
Nancy/NRK - You mentioned Samuel Shem. I noticed his books recently....any
comments?
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner, Lady Chatterly's Lover (for my
book group) and listening to Downtown by Anne Rivers Siddons. (And loving
all!)
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 01:26 PM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998041417265601.NAA05982@ladder03.news.aol.com>
ery: How do you pronounce Antonia as in My Antonia. With the accent on "ni"
An-to-NI-a?
Yes, you accent the NI -- the version I have of My Antonia made a big point
of that. As did the people in my face group.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Weddings
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 02:02 PM EDT
From: Ronrev2
Message-id: <1998041418022000.OAA10687@ladder03.news.aol.com>
June may be the month of weddings but this must be the season of weddings for
Book Nooker kin. We just returned from our son's wedding in Salt Lake City
last Saturday. Beautiful wedding, beautiful bride, and beautiful weather
until we started home on Sunday.........windy in SLC then it started raining
when we got to Provo, turned to sleet, then to snow. It was Easter Sunday
and the end of spring break creating bumper to bumper traffic all
the way from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. My advice to all contemplating
marriage: Look at the calendar when setting the date and don't choose a
holiday weekend.
Dottie in SO CA
Subject: Re: Let the ranting begin!
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 02:04 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998041418042401.OAA10977@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Marilu...
I just read your response to Absolute Freedom and appreciate your putting so
eloquently what I believe to be true about freedom. Thank you.
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner, Lady Chatterly's Lover (for my
book group) and listening to Downtown by Anne Rivers Siddons. (And loving
all!)
Subject: TV and Antonia
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 02:08 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041418084801.OAA09201@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I am beginning to like this catching-up, topic-by-topic. Having
finished
rights, wrongs, freedom, and gun control, I am rearin' to move right into TV
Shows. (Unfortunately, I also took a peek at Cathy's Silicon Valley Snake Oil
post, and, boy, as a natural-born contrarian, I REALLY want to talk about
this topic. Just not right now. Not gunna do it. I got TV shows to do, my
baseball Roto League Draft, got to catch up on my tax scams -- tough.
(What's tough? Life. What's LIFE? A magazine. How much does it cost? Ten
cents. Only got a nickel. That's tough. What's tough. Life.) --- OK the next
six
issues of LIFE free, which is what I pay for them, to the first person who
comes up with the movie that had that LIFE magazine bit, as part of a
conversation on a train. (So Cheef, where do you want me to send the
magazines?)
Before TV, a little more housekeeping --
1) My Antonia --- Ann' toe nee ah. Strong accent on the first syllable, Ann,
and
a falling, sliding legato lilt to the next three. It is not Ann toe' nee ah
-- that's for
darn sure. Karen -- I need a confirming, expert Moravian -- Slavic opinion on
this.
2) NYC Nook meet -- Nancy, you have Sandquist listed as an expected
attendee. I do not think that he will be able to attend because he has been
helping Niko Tesla with his lukewarm fusion experiments. I know that I,
LuigiAlva, and Tock will be able to make the meeting, but, at the moment, it
is not clear if any of the rest of us will.
2) AOL 4.0. So far, I have not had any problems with 4.0 on machines off the
network. For some reason the prelim 4.0, at least that I download, causes
real
havoc when you try to get on with any TCP/IP connection. The AOL folk do
not understand that either because all of their tech people, and apparently a
lot of the beta testers, are on TCP/IP hook-ups.
3) TV -- So many posts. I think I lost the thread of who said what, and I am
sure that I missed some of the input, and back-and-forth questions and
answers. So forgive any duplicative information in the following.
OLD BUSINESS --
a) Dobie Gillis -- Zelda -- Maybe I missed it, but I do not recall anyone
mentioning one of my favorite shows as a kid, the Stu Erwin Show. Sheila
James Kuehl played Stu's younger daughter, Jackie, on that show, which ran
on ABC from 1950 to 1955.
b) Edward R. Murrow -- He did a number of TV shows, in addition to
regular news reports. However, the two shows, I think, that most remember
best were Person-to-Person, and See It Now. Carol Heiss was one of
Murrow's Person-to-Person Interviews, as was Gertrude Berg of Molly
Goldberg fame - discussed below. Young Bruce Heiss got a chance to tell the
world that he wanted to be a brain surgeon, because there "are only a half-
dozen or so good ones in the country." I think Bruce got this startling piece
of
information from a Double-Bubble or Bazooka gum wrapper. We NEVER let
Bruce forget this comment. Never. Bruce was a great kid, but he was no (fill
in the blank.) However, I think Bruce may have been the inspiration for Ben
Casey, who, as the seventh good neurosurgeon, got his own TV series a year
or two later.
c) You Are There --- This was hosted by Walter Cronkite.
d) John Cameron Swayze -- (The Timex man.) He was a regular news
reporter on ABC, and was on a regular on a number of shows including Steve
Allen. However, the show for which I think he is best remembered, and the
one in which his whole family appeared is Watch the World.
c) Molly Goldberg and Edward Murrow --- anyone know the connection
beyond the fact that Gertrude Berg was on Person-to-Person? Well Murrow
and Fred Friendly were the first network (CBS) TV news biggies to take on
Joe McCarthy. The Goldberg's, long a successful radio show, ran on CBS TV
from 1949 to 1951. Molly Goldberg was played by Gertrude Berg, who
created the radio and TV show -- (and the famous out-the-window call "Yoo
- hoo, Mrs. Bloom), and her husband, Jake, was played, until the end of the
1951 season by Philip Loeb. Loeb got blacklisted for allegedly having
Communist sympathies, an unsubstantiated allegation that Loeb vehemently
and repeatedly denied. Gertrude Berg fought with CBS and General Foods
for Loeb, but to no avail. The sponsor dropped the show. The
Goldbergs reappeared in 1952 on NBC with a new sponsor, but without
Loeb, who backed out to allow Berg to get the show on the air. No network
or sponsor would touch him even though no charges against him were ever
supported, much less proved. Loeb's career and livelihood fell apart, and he
became embittered and despondent. In 1955, Philip Loeb committed suicide
by ingesting an overdose of sleeping pills.
d) My Little Margie -- Charles Farrell, as Vern Albright, was Margie's
father.
Vern's boss was Mr. Honeywell, of Honeywell and Todd, played by
Clarence Kolb. The most famous member of the cast, at the time, was
probably Hillary Brooks, one of Basil Rathbone's Sherlock favorites, who
played Vern's girlfriend, Roberta Townsend. Gale Storm was a singer of sorts,
although she for sure was no Teresa Brewer. I think that she had a couple of
chart songs, but the only one that comes to mind is Dark Moon.
e) Judi -- I think the show you remember -- where they sent people out on
crazy stunts which they did while the show was on, or sometimes between
weeks of the show -- was the early prime-time, network run of Truth or
Consequences. This show was very much different from the later daytime
version hosted by Bob Barker for three-thousand years. The original TV
show was first aired in the very early fifties, and was hosted by Ralph
Edwards
of This is Your Life fame.
f) Captain Video -- Al Hodges, my man! I couldn't figure out who I loved
more, Gil Hodges or Al Hodges. My Dad somehow got Al Hodges to send
me a birthday card, and I went nuts. An even bigger highlight was when my
Dad took me to the Dumont studio to see the show broadcast live, and I got
to meet Captain Video and the Ranger. In addition to the Captain and the
Ranger, and Dr. Pauli, and the Commissioner - do you remember the robot?
The first robot made was stamped ROBOT I, but they did it backwards. So,
the sometimes good, and sometimes evil robot, became I TOBOR.
g) Buster Brown -- the dog's name. Are we sure about this? Could be, but I
must remember the jingle wrong. "I'm Buster Brown. I live in a shoe. This is
my dog, Tide, he lives in there, too." Maybe it was Tigh or Tye, but I
thought it was Tide or Tyde.
NEW BUSINESS --
a) Hey! Hey! So none of you watched Life with Luigi? Jan -- c'mon, or are
you still upset that the Italian lead went to J. Carrol Naish, an
Irish-American
actor.
b) My favorite of the Fifites was a tie between Phil Silvers, alternatively
the
Phil Silvers Show and You'll Never Get Rich, and Sid Ceaser in Your Show
of Shows, and Ceaser's Hour. A lot of great comedic skit and improv players
come to mind: Robin Williams, Billy Crytal, Jonathon Winters, etc. Sid
Ceaser was the best of the lot. He could tell a story or a joke with just
facial-
takes better than most comedians could with their whole arsenal.
c) other favorites -- Mama, Our Miss Brooks, I Married Joan, December
Bride (I remember listening to the radio version of this on Dad's old
Atwater-
Kent. I was two-months old at the time. Nah -- Network radio broadcasts of
such shows went into the fifties), Maverick, The Danny Thomas Show -
Make Room for Daddy, Topper, Stu Irwin Show, Burns & Allen, Father
Knows Best, Ozzie and Harriet. (You know - it just hit me why I turned out
to be such a goody-two-shoes. What a collection of TV shows.)
back to the Tax Code ----- Luigi
1) NYC Nook meet -- Nancy, you have Sandquist listed as an expected
attendee. I do not think that he will be able to attend because he has been
helping Niko Tesla with his lukewarm fusion experiments. I know that I,
LuigiAlva, and Tock will be able to make the meeting, but, at the moment, it
is not clear if any of the rest of us will.
2) AOL 4.0. So far, I have not had any problems with 4.0 on machines off the
network. For some reason the prelim 4.0, at least that I download, causes
real
havoc when you try to get on with any TCP/IP connection. The AOL folk do
not understand that either because all of their tech people, and apparently a
lot of the beta testers, are on TCP/IP hook-ups.
3) TV -- So many posts. I think I lost the thread of who said what, and I am
sure that I missed some of the input, and back-and-forth questions and
answers. So forgive any duplicative information in the following.
OLD BUSINESS --
a) Dobie Gillis -- Zelda -- Maybe I missed it, but I do not recall anyone
mentioning one of my favorite shows as a kid, the Stu Erwin Show. Sheila
James Kuehl played Stu's younger daughter, Jackie, on that show, which ran
on ABC from 1950 to 1955.
b) Edward R. Murrow -- He did a number of TV shows, in addition to
regular news reports. However, the two shows, I think, that most remember
best was Person-to-Person, and See It Now. Carol Heiss was one of
Murrow's Person-to-Person Interviews, as was Gertrude Berg of Molly
Goldberg fame - discussed below. Young Bruce Heiss got a chance to tell the
world that he wanted to be a brain surgeon, because there "are only a half-
dozen or so good ones in the country." I think Bruce got this startling piece
of
information from a Double-Bubble or Bazooka gum wrapper. We NEVER let
Bruce forget this comment. Never. Bruce was a great kid, but he was no (fill
in the blank.) However, I think Bruce may have been the inspiration for Ben
Casey, who, as the seventh good neurosurgeon, got his own TV series a year
or two later.
c) You Are There --- This was hosted by Walter Cronkite.
d) John Cameron Swayze -- (The Timex man.) He was a regular news
reporter on ABC, and was on a regular on a number of shows including Steve
Allen. However, the show for which I think he is best remembered, and the
one in which his whole family appeared is Watch the World.
c) Molly Goldberg and Edward Murrow --- anyone know the connection
beyond the fact that Gertrude Berg was on Person-to-Person. Well Murrow
and Fred Friendly were the first network (CBS) TV news biggies to take on
Joe McCarthy. The Goldberg's, long a successful radio show, ran on CBS TV
from 1949 to 1951. Molly Goldberg was played by Gertrude Berg, who
created the radio and TV show -- (and the famous out-the-window call "Yoo
- hoo, Mrs. Bloom), and her husband, Jake, was played, until the end of the
1951 season by Philip Loeb. Loeb got blacklisted for allegedly having
Communist sympathies, an unsubstantiated allegation that Loeb vehemently
and repeatedly denied. Gertrude Berg fought with CBS and General Foods
for Loeb, but to no avail. The sponsor dropped the show. When The
Goldbergs reappeared in 1952 on NBC with a new sponsor, but without
Loeb, who backed out to allow Berg to get the show on the air. No network
or sponsor would touch him even though no charges against him were ever
supported, much less proved. Loeb's career and livelihood fell apart, and he
became embittered and despondent. In 1955, Philip Loeb committed suicide
by ingesting an overdose of sleeping pills.
d) My Little Margie -- Charles Farrell, as Vern Albright, was Margie's
father.
Vern's boss was Mr. Honeywell, of Honeywell and Todd, played by
Clarence Kolb. The most famous member of the cast, at the time, was
probably Hillary Brooks, one of Basil Rathbone's Sherlock favorites, who
played Vern's girlfriend, Roberta Townsend. Gale Storm was singer of sorts,
although she for sure was no Teresa Brewer. I think that she had a couple of
chart songs, but the only one that comes to mind is Dark Moon.
e) Judi -- I think the show you remember -- where they sent people out on
crazy stunts which they did while the show was on, or sometimes between
weeks of the show -- was the early prime-time, network run of Truth or
Consequences. This show was very much different from the later daytime
version hosted by Bob Barker for three-thousand years. The original TV
show was first air in the very early fifties, and was hosted by Ralph Edwards
of This is Your Life fame.
f) Captain Video -- Al Hodges, my man. I couldn't figure out who I loved
more, Gil Hodges or Al Hodges. My Dad somehow got Al Hodges to send
me a birthday card, and I went nuts. An even bigger highlight was when my
Dad took me to the Dumont studio to see the show broadcast live, and I got
to meet Captain Video and the Ranger. In addition to the Captain and the
Ranger, and Dr. Pauli, and the Commissioner - do you remember the robot?
The first robot made was stamped ROBOT I, but they did it backwards. So,
the sometimes good, and sometimes evil robot, became I TOBOR.
g) Buster Brown -- the dog's name. Are we sure about this? Could be, but I
must remember the jingle wrong. "I'm Buster Brown. I live in a shoe. This is
my dog, Tide, he lives with me there, too." Maybe it was Tigh or Tye, but I
thought it was Tide or Tyde.
NEW BUSINESS --
a) Hey! Hey! So none of you watched Life with Luigi? Jan -- c'mon, or are
you still upset that the Italian lead went to J. Carrol Naish, an
Irish-American
actor.
b) My favorite of the Fifites was a tie between Phil Silvers, alternatively
the
Phil Silvers Show and You'll Never Get Rich, and Sid Ceaser in Your Show
of Shows, and Ceaser's Hour. A lot of great comedic skit and improv players
come to mind: Robin Williams, Billy Crytal, Jonathon Winters, etc. Sid
Ceaser was the best of the lot. He could tell a story or a joke with just
facial-
takes better than most comedians could with their whole arsenal.
c) other favorites -- Mama, Our Miss Brooks, I Married Joan, December
Bride (I remember listening to the radio version of this on Dad's old
Atwater-
Kent. I was two-months old at the time. Nah -- Network radio broadcasts of
such shows went into the fifties), Maverick, The Danny Thomas Show -
Make Room for Daddy, Topper, Stu Irwin Show, Burns & Allen, Father
Knows Best, Ozzie and Harriet. (You know - it just hit me why I turned out
to be such a goody-two-shoes. What a collection of TV shows.)
back to the Tax Code ----- Luigi
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: Krazy Wedding
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 02:29 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998041418294501.OAA14602@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jan - Now I'm definitely going to be at the wedding. I want you to see you
crazy glued and totally fatootsied with your pasties. How do you
accessorize?
By the way, I've spoken to Rokeach (you know I'm in the food business so I'm
acting fast on this one)...they say there is a definite market for lobster
de-traifer and are sending some for us to test-market at the "veddin"!
I'm reading Lady Chatterly's Lover for a group I was invited to join. I
think I read this book in college and don't remember much. But on this read,
I cannot imagine that I understood it well. Life's lessons bring a lot of
understanding to the character of Connie and her plight....I'm only about
halfway through but so far, I'd recommend it to all. More later....
I didn't post for days and now I'm a posting fool!
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner, Lady Chatterly's Lover (for my
book group) and listening to Downtown by Anne Rivers Siddons. (And loving
all!)
Subject: Re: Old TV
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 03:11 PM EDT
From: JanetDL
Message-id: <1998041419112801.PAA18056@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I've been forced out of lurker mode to post this!
YOUR HIT PARADE
Dorothy Collins, Snookie Lanson, Giselle MacKenzie, and Russel Arms
And...who can forget the sign-off?
So long to your Hit Parade
and the tunes that you picked to be played
So loooong!
GOODNIGHT EVERYBODY!!
(nice waving from all as the camera moves back)
~Janet~
Subject: A day early!!
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 03:24 PM EDT
From: CLKMcG
Message-id: <1998041419245801.PAA22476@ladder03.news.aol.com>
As we are leaving tonight for five days with our families in KY, I want to
sing this before I go:
Happy birthday to youuuu,
Happy birthday to youuuu,
Happy birthday, RuthAliccee,
Happy birthday to youuuu!!
~Cheri~
"Woe be to him that reads but one book."
.....George Herbert 1593--1633
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 03:26 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041419261301.PAA20163@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Pat you wrote:<<Still reading on tape Call it Sleep--The reader seems
excellent but I am in the section where David is being tutored by a rabbi and
there is alot of Hebrew which I think the reader does well but how would I
know. Has anyone else read it on tape? <<
Although I read this book and haven't listned to it on tape, I'm wondering if
this is Hebrew or Yiddush. Is the Rabbi tutoring him for his Bar Mitzvah?
This would be Hebrew then but as I recall Daivid was raised in an Orhodox
home. At that time and place the Rabbis would only speak in Yiddush. Hebrew
among the Orthodox was reseved solely for prayer.
When our daughter was named in Shul (Temple) she was given a Jewish name and
not Hebrew. My father was Orthodx and I knew he would have wanted his
namesake to be named this way. But today in our Reform Temple, young
children are named in Hebrew only. As we say - times change.
Funny that you mentioned this topic. I recently bought an album of Mandy
Patinkins called Mamloshen (mother tongue) which is filled with songs only
sung in Yiddush. I couldn't help marveling at Mr. Patinkin's authentic
pronunciation of Yiddush which is almost a dying langauge these days. Then I
read the information which accompanied this album and realized that Mandy
only studied Yiddush for the past few months to do this album. He is one
very
accomplished individual. You should hear him sing Supercalifragilistic this
way. What fun. But for me the traditional songs like Almonds and Raisins
really left me grieving for the world which I once knew but is now sadly
gone. No more grandparents, parents or aunts and uncles who would speak this
language so the kinderloch (children ) couldn't understand. As the youngest
of 10 cousins, I leraned even before speaking English certain ket phrases.
Naturally the older ones caught on pretty quickly and many of us now even
remember the Russian which was occassionally spoken.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Wedding--Y'all Come!
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 03:31 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041419315801.PAA23491@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Lobster - treyf??? Rokeach - non treyf???? Oi Vey!!!
Jan- for about the first year when I posted many of the aol posters (me
included ) really roared over my typos. We even had a tee shirt made from
one group with my better errors plastered in the front. Now I guess people
either have just gotten used to me or else they don't read so good or don't
see that well. The way I figure it is like this- If I was good enough to
teach typing for the Board of Ed for the City of NY (along with sex
education),
then I'm good enought to post here. LOL
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: TV and Antonia
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 03:34 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041419345701.PAA21466@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Luigi, Tock, Topo Gigio, Senor Wences, Judge Crater or Mr. Cropsey- just tell
me in plain English------are you coming or are you not?
BTW - the bad grammar is fully intended!
ROTFL
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: TV and Antonia
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 03:38 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041419385100.PAA24447@ladder03.news.aol.com>
One more Luigi - How do you know or remember so much? When I read your
messages I think my brain has been pithed.
You better come to Ny or we're all gonna take the train out your way. So
there!!!
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Nancy
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 04:04 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041420043501.QAA25762@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy,
You asked -- "One more, Luigi - How do you know or remember so much?"
Easy, every month I have RuthAlice send to me her brain's overflow. It's
enough to feed the planet.
The Quister
PS -- Of course, I will be, deo volente, at the NY Nook Meeting, as will
Tock, Luigi, and Fred. I wish I could tell you more about the plans of the
others, but, except for Sandquist and NikoTesla - who clearly will still be
cleaning up the mess that lukewarm fusion thing made, at the moment the rest
of the schedules are in flux. We like to marinate them in flux for about
forty-eight hours before deep frying. I know. I know. Deep-frying is not a
very healthy way to cook. But, if you ever had flux-marinated schedules
deep-fried in Crisco - hhmmmm. Delicious is the Name (of) That Tune, hosted
by Geroge DeWitt for most of its primetime, network run.
PPS -- The information that I don't get from RuthAlice's brain overflow -- I
look up. I ain't so smart. Just cute. :)
The Quister
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Books for Sale
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 04:20 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041420210401.QAA00914@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Just found out about this website and had to pass it along to all of you.
They have Black and Blue by Anna Quindlen for only $9.20 and advertise that
their books are 60% off. Don't know much else as to availability or
reliability so....
Shopping.com
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Nancy
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 04:25 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041420252201.QAA28995@ladder01.news.aol.com>
See - you did it again what does this mean---deo volente.
If its Latin, the Rabbis never taught it to this little lower east side
Jewess. LOL.
And we always said you were charming and bright but cute????
Book nookers say ye yea or nay?
See you on the 27th. BTW - did you get the feather boa I mailed to you? Its
meant to be worn for allbook nook parties.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Nancy
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 04:52 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041420523701.QAA06012@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy -- <<See you on the 27th. BTW - did you get the feather boa I mailed
to you? Its meant to be worn for allbook nook parties.>>
No, but I got a real boa that you sent, I assume by
accident. And talking about accidents, your boa swallowed my pet pig.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nancy -- <<See - you did it again what does this mean---deo volente.>>
Actually, as I check the sky for lightning or asteroids, it
is an unfortunate typo. It
should be Deo volente, and it means simply God Willing. It is the
pharmacists' equivalent of
alevai, except -- for those who did not grow up in NYC or know any lower-east
rabbi's and do not know that Hester Street was once the most-populated place
on the place of the earth --
alevai (sometimes spelled halavai) carries a bit more of the sense -- "from
my lips to God's ears." Eg. I will be the Nook meeting -- Deo volente (God
Willing) or Deo favente (with God's favor) or Alevai ( I hope - from my lips
to God's ears.)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nancy --- <<And we always said you were charming and bright but cute????>>
Hey, Hey, Hey --- I don't know about the rest of that, but
Dorothea says I am a real cutie, and she would not lie to me about such
things.
Fred
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: Nancy
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 05:09 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041421104701.RAA08961@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<<<<deo volente.>>>>> God willing or, "If the good Lord's willing and the
creek don't dry."
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Lobstah what?
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 05:11 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998041421111401.RAA06496@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Would someone be so kind as to explain what the heck is meant by traife in
reference to lobster?
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: TV and Antonia
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 05:13 PM EDT
From: CATZERS
Message-id: <1998041421132800.RAA06916@ladder01.news.aol.com>
LuigiAlva writes: <<Maybe I missed it, but I do not recall anyone
mentioning one of my favorite shows as a kid, the Stu Erwin Show.>>
Not only do I remember this show but I used to "talk" to him through the TV
screen. He drove me nuts.....always blathering and procrastinating!
Here's someone I don't think has been mentioned yet--Ernie Kovacks. Remember
the Nairobi Trio? Wasn't he married to Edie Adams or am I completely out in
left field here? Though I didn't know what 'sex appeal' meant at the tender
age when they used to be on TV, I remember thinking she was soooo gorgeous
when she'd do that commercial for cigars (Dutch Masters?) to the tune that
went something like....."The minute he walked in the door, I could tell
he was a man of distinction...a real big spender."
Speaking of Edward R. Murrow, if any of you get the History Channel on cable
they periodically show a series called "The Fifties", I think, and one of
the segments is a documentary on Murrow. It was fascinating.
Luigi, you mentioned among your 'other favorites' Father Knows Best. This is
my all-time favorite TV show. For years, I have tried to find a source for
tapes of FKB. I am putting out a call in this post that IF YOU HAVE-- OR
KNOW WHERE I CAN OBTAIN--TAPES OF FATHER KNOWS BEST, I WILL GLADLY PAY FOR
SAID TAPES AND
POSTAGE TO SHIP TO ME.
That's All Folks~
CATZERS
Subject: Birthday
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 05:15 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998041421151401.RAA07187@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I will be gone all day tomorrow (a bus trip to see the new Getty Center
Museum) so want to get in an early greeting:
HAPPIEST OF BIRTHDAYS TO YOU RUTHALICE. ENJOY YOUR DAY TO THE UTMOST.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Books for Sale
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 05:32 PM EDT
From: Jibs Kid
Message-id: <1998041421321500.RAA12501@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Their prices seem to be unbelievably cheap---do you think there is a "catch".
Would like to hear from someone who has used this website---anybody out
there???
SV
Subject: Re: Weddings
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 06:06 PM EDT
From: Ludsmith
Message-id: <1998041422063200.SAA16016@ladder01.news.aol.com>
DOTTIE: You were in Salt Lake and you didn't meet Jackie and I at "The
Library" for lunch? Hopefully we can meet you the next time you're in Utah.
Shauna who is almost finished with "The Hobbit" and who has been having
contractions since yesterday morning.
Subject: The real meaning...
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 06:12 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041422123900.SAA19634@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Pat-I also cast my vote for My AN-toe-knee-uh. Anything read by Frank Muller
or George Guidall is usually very well-done. I can't vouch for his
pronunciation, but being a pro I'm sure he researched it.
Dottie-Glad the wedding was great but sorry the trip home wasn't.
Nancy-You're good enough to do anything you want. I love your errors and want
you to promise never to use Spell Check!!
Also, don't pay any attention to those who think they know the meaning of
Deo Volente. Actually it was the name of J. Carroll Naish's bookie on Life
with Luigi.
HOORAY-The Mongolian Hordes (aka: Sandquist) must be feeling better. Whadda
tribe he is!
Jan-Currently reading and loving Cloud Chamber (Dorris), listening at home to
Son of the Circus (John Irving) and in the car I'm listening to Angela's
Ashes read by the Frank McCourt himself. Although I read the latter when it
first came out, I am enjoying hearing it through McCourt's soft
Irish pronunciation, (and he's got me laughing through my tears.)
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: color TV
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 06:20 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998041422212901.SAA18686@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Color TV -- I couldn't resist sharing this with you'all. When my former
husband and I were married (1961), a business partner of his (G. David
Schine... anyone remember him? A gold star to the Nooker who does!) attended
our wedding and gave us a COLOR TV as a wedding gift! Wow, were we excited!
We plugged it in, turned it on, and voila! Colored static. (no antenna hooked
up at that time) We were so in awe of this modern miracle that we actually
sat and watch colored static for a few minutes! Duh and VBG
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Re: More TV shows..
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 06:53 PM EDT
From: SilvlocMom
Message-id: <1998041422535600.SAA24540@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Anyone remember a show called The Paul ------ Show... can't remember his last
name. But the teen age daughter was played by none other then Natalie Wood.
How about I Remember Mama...
or Topper, I howled over that show. It wasn't easy either, we didn't
have a tv !!!
Joan in NJ
Subject: Tuesday Tidbits
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 07:12 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041423122201.TAA27918@ladder01.news.aol.com>
NANCY put me in the mood by mentioning Martha Stewart - her unauthorized
biography has been sitting here for a month - I guess I should read it before
my friend thinks I am keeping it forever. Can someone please coax me?
And you are right, as usual - MT. MISERY is written by Samuel Shem. I am
liking it a tad better now.
And don't forget to tell Warren, that Halevai is that sweet, sweet (tahine)
paste from the Middle East -:) that comes in vanilla, chocolate, & marble
blocks.
LITA: Wonderful news about your Mom - prayers & good vibes continuing.
JAN: thank God it wasn't OUR lawyer who spelled the names wrong - the
purchaser's lawyer spelled HIS name wrong. Will it ever end?
TRAIFE - my dears who are scratching their pretty heads - is anything that
isn't kosher - simply put (oink, shellfish, etc)
Off to read MT. MISERY to take my mind off everything else
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Old TV
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 07:53 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041423534100.TAA08127@ladder03.news.aol.com>
~Janet~ --You're right! It was Dorothy Collins! Where did I get Landon?
Guess it was because I was just a baby then!
Yes--My Antonia is pronounced an-to-NEE-a.
PAT--<<MariLu: Interested in your review of Smiley's new book as the reviews
have been mixed. Let us know how it goes.>> I really love this book. I
like it much better than A THOUSAND ACRES. The main character, Lidie Newton,
is really a great character, many sides to her personality, gutsy broad. In
some ways, it's a traditional story in a new setting.
I don't want to say too much about the plot, because a lot of it takes place
after a significant event, which I don't want to give away. Anyhow, I think
I'm going to get to see Smiley this weekend at the Monterey Book Festival and
get my books of hers signed. I can hardly wait!
JUDI--I, unlike Jan, will not be wearing pasties to your son's wedding! I
would dearly love to do so, but I lost my tassels, and they just don't make
them like they used to, and I can't find new ones I like. What are pasties
without tassels, right? Anyhow, you'll just have to take me as I am--the
mystery woman. I may wear my bell-bottomed hip-huggers,
though and midrift (Is that spelled correctly? It looks wrong) top,
platform shoes, and black lace mantilla. I refuse to wear kelp.
LITA--I'm so happy to hear about your mom!
Gymeni2--<<Hello, I am new to this board. Could someoone inform me as to
what this board is about. Thanks>> I'll be darned if I know! Does anyone
know what this board is about? It's supposed to be about books, but who
knows. Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't.
I don't think anyone has mentioned one of my favorite of all-time tv shows,
the Ed Sullivan Show. I wish we had shows like that now. I loved the old
variety shows with music and dancing and corny comedians.
BTW--For those of you who are Jane Hamilton fans, when I saw her last week,
she said A MAP OF THE WORLD is scheduled to begin shooting this summer with
Frances McDormand. I can't remember the name of the screen writer, who wrote
Who's Afraid of Gilbert Grape, but he's the one who did the screen play, and
she likes it.
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: Nancy
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 08:09 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998041500090100.UAA08425@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cheef - I think it's "If the good Lord's will and the creeks don't rise."
But, then again, the Southerners on the board probably know for sure. No
creeks in my neighborhood.
Yea, Shauna - The Hobbit's a nice imaginative book to read to an almost ready
child.
Lita - I'm happy for your Mom (and for you) - sometimes things aren't as bad
as we fear they'll be, thank God.
Hi Gina - glad the wedding went well although you had the same weather we had
the weekend before. Next weekend, the 80's - hurrah!
Glad Warren's up and running again - had me worried for a minute there.
I loved everything you all did, except I missed Ernie Kovaks and Sid Ceasar.
Several years when I was between 18 - 25 when I didn't watch any TV, so I
missed a great chunk. I think Bewitched is my favorite TV show of all time -
Was Stu Erwin in the Seven Year Itch? Tom Erwin?
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: falling leaves
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 08:24 PM EDT
From: Carroms
Message-id: <1998041500240700.UAA13759@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I wanted to share this book with you. It is 'falling leaves'-an
autobiography written about Adeline Yah Wen' s life as an unwanted Chinese
daughter during the 40's-50's. It creates vivid pictures about Chinese
culture, and some historical events, as she grows up in a family ruled by a
horrible stepmother and absent father. Very remarkable and courageous. I
highly recommend it.
Karen
Subject: Southernism
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 08:38 PM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998041500383000.UAA13838@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mary Ann said:
<<Cheef - I think it's "If the good Lord's will and the creeks don't rise."
But, then again, the Southerners on the board probably know for sure. No
creeks in my neighborhood.>
Down here we would probably say "If the good Lord's willing & the creek don't
rise".
A subtle, but important, variation. No *s* on creek if you want to sound like
the real thang .
from a Dixie darlin' ...
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Re:
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 09:50 PM EDT
From: LPennin104
Message-id: <1998041501504800.VAA27934@ladder01.news.aol.com>
If you liked The Ed Sullivan Show be sure to see, if it comes to your area,
Forever Plaid. It's a great little musical that I saw off Broadway several
years ago and it was done locally here in Austin for the last few months.
Also saw it playing in Las Vegas. Anyway, they do a hysterical 5 minute
sketch of Ed Sullivan Show with spinning plates, Lady of Spain by accordian,
S'alright puppet-the one inside the box, etc. Really a fun
musical.
Subject: Re: Weddings
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:08 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041502081700.WAA01634@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dottie--shame on you! You came all the way to Salt Lake and didn't let
Shauna and I know? We would have enjoyed taking you to THE LIBRARY for lunch
or dinner--and then off to Sam Weller's Zion Bookstore. You dont' know what
you missed ;) Next time let us know. We can show you a good time--right
Jayne?
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Another
Marvelous Thing by Laurie Colwin
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: David Schine
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:10 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041502102401.WAA02063@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sally-Wasn't Schine one of those McCarthy lawyers? You mentioned a gold
star. May I pick it out at Tiffany's?
Talking about first TV sets, when we were newly married in '52 we were given
our first one by Steve's aunt and uncle who had won it at a church fair. It
was a 'portable' meaning it weighed two and a half tons but was in the shape
of a smallsuitcase.. It had a 6" round screen and a built in rabbit ear
antenna. The only way we could get a picture was to bend the antenna down to
touch the metal front of this modern marvel. This meant we had to sit on
the floor, and take turns holding the antenna against the front of the TV
with our feet. Let me tell you, that was the original 'painful' tv watching.
We didn't wait too long before investing in our console (another huge
monstrosity) which filled up the living room as we didn't have any other
furniture. (First things first, right?) That first set was our pride and joy.
It was a Zenith with a hi-fi turn table (for 78s) and well-built into a
blonde
wood cabinet. If we had only kept it, that (and the small useless portable)
would be worth plenty now. It seems the only remains that we still own from
those early days are our own worn out bodies-but they just aren't worth
anything on the antique market.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Weddings
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:10 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041502104800.WAA02144@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<DOTTIE: You were in Salt Lake and you didn't meet Jackie and I at "The
Library" for lunch? Hopefully we can meet you the next time you're in Utah.
>> LOL, Shauna--GMTA!
<<Shauna who is almost finished with "The Hobbit" and who has been having
contractions since yesterday morning.>> SHAUNA! you didn't tell me! I'm so
excited! When can I bring my camera over? ;) <VBG>
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Another
Marvelous Thing by Laurie Colwin
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: Weddings
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:12 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041502120701.WAA05026@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Shauna:
Contractions! Should I start boiling the water!!! ?? Where is the pot, damn
it!!! Am I nervous Oh nooooooo!!!! Well don't wait too long before you get
to the hospital this is number 3 and can be fast!!!!
Talk to you soon lady!!!!!
Love, Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Wedding--Y'all Come!
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:13 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041502133500.WAA02716@ladder01.news.aol.com>
HOO BOY! If Nancy taught sex education as well as she types, we now
understand a lot about the social/sexual problems in NYC! Nnacy, yur a
srceam.
Juid
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: TV and Antonia
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:24 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041502244201.WAA07563@ladder03.news.aol.com>
The Warrens: Thank God someone remembers "Captain Video" and his nemesis,
Doctair Paulllllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. I would be six feet
tall now except my fear of Dr. P stunted my growth.
And JanetDL, thanks so much for remembering Dorothy's last name: Collins.
It was driving me nuts. Funny, I don't remember Russell Arms from the show,
but when I took ballet as an adult, he was married to my teacher and used to
drop into the studio very often, usually carrying groceries.
Jan, watch those pasties, please. The dress I'm wearing as the MOG is quite
revealing and I thought I had tried on every bra in L.A. (Warrens, please go
fiddle with your bar-b-que baseball for a moment) and would have to resort to
those cuppy things you actually glue one. They come with a bottle of what
really looks like Krazy Glue. My fears were that either
(1) one of the little shelves would drop off as I was walking down the aisle
or (2) that they would be stuck on for good and Jim would have to resort to
chiseling them off. So my options were to go without, except for two
strategically placed Bandaids (I swear, this dress shows everything) so as
not to shock the Maine natives when the night turns chilly or to keep looking
or have one made. Today at Nordstrom I found the one bra in this city that I
hadn't tried on that is strapless and backless and doesn't show under the
dress. Ta DAH. Can't believe I wrote about this. I really am sick.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Lobstah what?
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:28 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041502284201.WAA08362@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol--Traife means not kosher--and lobstah, by virtue and I do think it's a
virtue of being shellfish, is by definition traife. You're coming aren't
you?
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Update on Mom
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:03 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041502033900.WAA03305@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Prayers have been answered. Yesterday Mom had her appointment with her
oncologist. He is AMAZED at her progress. The masses have reduced (not
gone, but better than he anticipated). She has lost NO hair at all so far.
Her hairdresser said there is no more hair in the sink after her wash than
someone who doesn't even have cancer--let alone on chemo. Mom said she
expressed surprise to her hairdresser, and the reply was: "Of course
you haven't lost any hair. I've said prayers over your head everytime you
come in." My Mom was LOL at that.
Mom sang in the Easter Cantata at church yesterday, and sang a solo at church
last night. She said she was tired, but it was worth it. As long as she can
keep singing, she will be living, she says.
My mother has shown me a lot about living gracefully these past few weeks.
She says no matter how she feels physically, she looks for SOMETHING every
day that is beautiful, joyous--or just plain good. I think I can take
lessons from her!
Thank you all for your prayers. I know they had a effect. Please continue
to pray for her. As she says, "I'm not out of the woods yet."
I appreciate all of you marvelous people! You are a powerful group!
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Another
Marvelous Thing by Laurie Colwin
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: color TV
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:36 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041502364200.WAA07358@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Miss Sally--I get the prize and I just know that the Warrens will, too. And
RuthAlice. do we have to split it? G. David Schine was at your wedding???
Was Joe McCarthy there, too? Say it isn't true, Gal Sal. That was quite a
wedding present, though. Hell, he could afford it. Yuck. The
Smarmy-Army-McCarthy hearings were a sad time for this country.
But the bright part was Joseph Welsh (Welch?).
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: McCarthy hearings
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:37 PM EDT
From: ShanOD
Message-id: <1998041502370300.WAA07429@ladder01.news.aol.com>
One of my "treasures" is a cassette tape with my father and uncle playing at
"McCarthy hearings." They go on and on with this dialogue about "Are you
John Smith of New York City? the same John Smith who has a subscription to
__________?" The first time I heard the tape, I thought someone had simply
taped some part of the hearings, but Noooooooooo. Two men having a very
funny time.
The tape is a "treasure" because it has that bit on it as well as a party my
parents had and my dad talking to me, telling me I could win a hog-calling
contest in Iowa with my scream (and then there's me screaming in the
background). My father died of cancer shortly before my first birthday and
that tape is one of the few personal things I have of him.
Shannon
who is on vacation and writing this week
Subject: Re: Old TV
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:39 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041502392400.WAA10521@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu--Your outfit sounds too, too divoon. I may swoon. It's only a
midrift if your middle is drifting somewhat. Otherwise, it's a midriff. You
know, a riff in your middle parts.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Southernism
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:41 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041502410600.WAA08246@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Leslie--Is it the creek or crick that don't rise? Inquiring minds want to
know.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Wedding--Y'all Come!
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 10:54 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041502542900.WAA10892@ladder01.news.aol.com>
You'll recognize me by my white gloves -- and my hat. No self-respecting
Southern lady would attend a wedding without them.
And I'll be bring the OKRA.
Cissie
Subject: Re: Perry Como
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:00 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998041503002800.XAA12065@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I remember Perry Como - I just don't remember his tv show. I used to sing a
song of his when I was about 7 or so. Remember "Catch A Falling Star and put
it in your pocket, save for a rainy day?
Mercedes
Subject: Re: The real meaning...
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:01 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041503012000.XAA14835@ladder03.news.aol.com>
My Antonia -- favorite book of all times. I've studied it in various
classes, all with different professors. In all cases, the strongest accent
has been on the third syllable. Where would go for the definitive word on
this?
Cissie
Subject: Re: Tuesday Tidbits
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:04 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041503041600.XAA12820@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol -- I don't think you'll find the Martha Stewart biography worth your
time. It's very mean-spirited. And I'm not a MS fan, so that should tell
you something. Plus, it's not written with any spirit or tone at all.
Skip it.
cissie
Subject: Re: Nancy
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:08 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041503081400.XAA16210@ladder03.news.aol.com>
"If the good Lord's willing and the creek don't rise". This is a Southern
phrase referring to the chances of a certain event taking place. For
example, "I'll be at your place Sat'dy, if the good Lord's willing and the
creek don't rise." Cause sometimes our creeks rise over the banks and you
can't go nowhere!
Take it from one who's lived in the rural South all her life,
Cissie
Subject: Re: Old TV
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:10 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998041503101800.XAA13989@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Anybody remember That Was The Week That Was also known as TW3? I was pretty
young when this was on but I know it was a satiric show about the news of the
day.
Mercedes
Subject: Re: Update on Mom
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:11 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041503121500.XAA16960@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jackie -- You mom is inspirational. So glad you have shared her here.
BTW, your book is in the mail!!!
Cissie, yeling "Go Heels' for the last time
Subject: Re: More TV shows..
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:13 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998041503133400.XAA17212@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Silvlocmom -
Was it the Paul Lynde Show?
Subject: Re: Old TV
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:32 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041503320101.XAA20763@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Yes, indeed. It was always referred to as TW3.
Where have all the good shows gone?
Cissie
Subject: Re: Old TV
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:46 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041503472101.XAA20894@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Where have all the good shows gone?>>
Why, Cissie, they have gone to Nickalodean ... how the $^%$#^ do you spell
it? You know where I mean!
And I will repost some old TV sites I posted once before. They are loads of
fun to visit!
TV Party Tonight!
Television History
The Mayberry Zone
Academy of Television Arts & Sciences
Nick at Nite & TV Land
Mr. Showbiz
The [OFFICIAL] Gilligan's Island Web Site
Have fun with these!!
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Another
Marvelous Thing by Laurie Colwin
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Seven Year Itch
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:57 PM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998041503573101.XAA25236@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Tom Ewell was the star, I believe.
I remember the English instructor I had pronouncing the title MY
AN-TO-NEE-A, so that's how I've always pronounced it to myself.
Another oldie: I Married Joan. (Starred the rich guy on Gilligan's Island, I
think), can't recall his name (but it was Brad on the show). What things we
remember!
Carolyn on Long Island
Subject: Natalie Wood // Schine // Antonia
Date: Tue, 14 April 1998 11:58 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041503584200.XAA22880@ladder01.news.aol.com>
1) The show with Natalie Wood as the daughter lasted for about eight
minutes in the early fifities. It was called Pride of the Family. The show
"starred' Paul Hartman as the father. He later played Emmet on the Andy
Griffith show and Mayberry RFD.
2) G.D. Schine was the discoverer of the laws of physics governing the
fabric alteration to men's trousers caused by excessive rubbing against hard
chairs. (Hey, the prize is long gone. So I'm gunna waste the real answer
here? No way.)
3) Ann toe nee' ah would be an acceptable alternative pronounciation to
me for this name. I don't even care if that is right. Anything to keep the
accent off the second syllable, which is the way we would have pronounced it
in Queens.
Buffalo Bob
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: Wedding--Y'all Come!
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 12:21 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998041504215400.AAA29450@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I'm sitting here laughing very out loud at Judi's wedding seating chart!!!!
And thinking of a way to answer the question of the visitor who asks what's
this board about anyway? Good qustion. This board is about life and all
that it contains including books.
For instance: Hooray for both Jackie and Lita's moms!!! And waiting
anxiously to hear more from Shauna, I need to know when to start pacing!
Someone mentioned Forever Plaid which I also enjoyed seeing Off Broadway a
few years ago. At the time I remember thinking this is so light that I'll
probably forget it but in the meantime I'm sitting here grinning like a mad
fool. Wrong, I remember it still, it was a treat!
My favorite Off Broadway production was Steel Magnolias which I saw long
before it was made into a film and I went into it kind of blind, not having a
clue as to what it was about. If anyone ever has a chance to see this on the
stage, do so! So much better than the fairly insipid (IMHO) movie. I could
never understand the part of the mother of Julia Roberts played by Sally
Fields.
Sue in Mi
Subject: Wedding
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 12:42 AM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998041504422700.AAA29995@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Yes, Judi, of course I plan on coming - wouldn't miss it for the world. I am
thinking of bringing a casserole of kelp and okra Nothing traife about that
- see how quickly I learn? Now I need to think of a sauce that will
compliment both of them.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Seven Year Itch
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 03:22 AM EDT
From: JaneE2059
Message-id: <1998041507221201.DAA16843@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<<<<Another oldie: I Married Joan. (Starred the rich guy on Gilligan's
Island, I think), can't recall his name (but it was Brad on the show). What
things we remember!
Carolyn on Long Island>>>
Carolyn--Thurston Howell III was played by Jim Backus(who was also the voice
of Mr. Magoo).
JaneE2059
Proud Member of Clan Outlandish
"Texas '98 or Bust!"
Subject: Up and Out
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 09:09 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041513092601.JAA05094@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Haven't read all of the messages this morning but I did do my daily walk.
The funny thing is that once I do it, I feel great. But its just that
feeling of "five more minutes in bed" thats the hard part.
Jan - I must agree with you that the website shopping.com looks like a
winner. I haven't had the time (nor money ) to fully explore everything but
I noticed a wonderful area for calendars, planners and journals. Wonder if
they also well pens. But keep in mind, I haven't used them yet so I'm not
sure if they're as reliable as amazon.com. Nwo I['m wondering how they can
offer Quindlen's book for $9.20.
Warren and Cheef - thanks for explaining the phrase. In Yiddush we say
"Gilebsa Got." I wouldn't even attempt to translate thsi as it loses so much
of its meaning. When I was little and would cry bored, my mom would say the
equivalent of "Go talk to a china cup." See what I mean?
Off to the used bookstores- I feel my natural high coming on.
Speaking of which - did anybody else watch the Divas in Concert last night on
VH1. Its really something to see Aretha Franklin, Celine Dion, Gloria
Estefan, Shania Twain, Mariah Carey and Carol King sing Natural Woman all
together on the stage of the beacon Theater. As Rita Coolidge sang, "This
lifted me higher and higher."
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Tuesday Tidbits
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 10:07 AM EDT
From: LadyBiblio
Message-id: <1998041514073301.KAA13999@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hi Carol,
I read the Martha Stewart book and, though ashamed to admit it, I DID enjoy
all the tidbits I picked up about her! I also was very interested in where
she came from; what her family was like etc. This book answers all of those
questions. Many friends and ex-friends are interviewed. Some of them have
some not so nice things to day.
While I don't usually read books like this (ala Kitty Kelly comes to mind...)
for some reason, I was drawn to Just Desserts and felt that I wanted to know
more about the elusive and ever present Martha Stewart. She is a fixture on
tv now and the news stands are filled with her Martha Stewart Living and the
bookshops have all of her books, from 1983 or so on. Information about her
REAL life is not available otherwise. That intrigued me. I was at a
concert a few years ago and went backstage with friends and Martha Stewart
was there.
She is very regal. Tall and flawless skin. But reserved and stand offish.
Sooooo...I read this book. It's a hoot. Go ahead and read it for a lark.
Enjoy!
(LadyBiblio aka Momdini)
Maria
Subject: Re. Schine
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 10:07 AM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998041514074200.KAA14019@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jan -- you wrote <<Sally-Wasn't Schine one of those McCarthy lawyers? You
mentioned a gold star. May I pick it out at Tiffany's?>> VERY close, but no
cigar! You may be thinking of Roy Cohn. RE. the gold star, you can pick it
out... as for PAYING for it... hmmmm... not me! <VBG>
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Gold Star still up for grabs!
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 10:24 AM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998041514245700.KAA16325@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judi -- you get the prize IF you tell us who G. David was, and his role... ah
ha! Am I avoiding spending my hard-earned moolah on this gold star or WHAT!
Yes, he was at our wedding and reception, and was the ONLY photographer who
got COLOR portraits of my new husband and I, the two of us sans wedding
party... the "paid" photographer really let us down in that respect. G. David
was a real charmer, and we were guests of his in Miami Beach... but that's
another story. (You notice I'm avoiding comments on his ethics, business and
otherwise...)
Warren aka Buffalo Bob -- you wrote <<So I'm gunna waste the real answer
here? No way>> The gold star is still available so... Go ahead, waste away...
if you can that is! I dare yah, I dare yah...
Jackie -- what good news about your Mother! I'll continue to keep her in my
thoughts and prayers, though.
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Sally -- again??!!
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 01:15 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041517153100.NAA00613@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Sally,
1) What? You issue another challenge to me without confessing guilt in
the great LA Confidential -- Dean Martin faux pas?? Shocking. OK -- once last
chance even though you have not come Smile-Smile-Smile clean and even though
Judi and Jan were both more than close enough on Schine to get the star.
G. David Schine was, in many ways, the absolute start of McCarthy's
downfall. The Kefauer hearings in 1951 made Estes into a prominent national
figure, but did nothing to derail McCarthy, who was still riding high after
Eisenhower's election. In 1953 the "Schine incident" started his spiral to
oblivion. Schine had been a young investigative assistant to Roy Cohn, a
lawyer working for McCarthy, the Chairman of the new "permanent" Senate
Sub-Commitee on Investigations, in the latter's never-ending search for
communists. Schine and Cohn had just returned from a long trip through Europe
digging out Commie affiliations in various governmental institutions,
including the Army. Shine. Then Schine, in his mid-twenties at the time, got
drafted into the Army, and McCarthy screamed that the Commie-loaded Army was
trying to derail his really nifty witchhunt. This made the Army mad -
violating
my axiom of never getting someone with nuclear weapons mad -- and caused them
to exclaim publicly that McCarthy and Cohn had pulled all sorts of strings to
get favorable treatment for young Schine. This embroglio was the proximal
impetus for the Army Hearings of 1953 that turned Army Counsel, Republican
(easy to forget that) Joseph N. Welch into a superstar and turned McCarthy
into an idiot. Of course, Welch himself was not above hinting about the
rumors concerning Roy Cohn being homosexual, and there were some hints
dropped about Cohn's relationship and European trip with young Schine. So
McCarthy got out-McCarthyed -- these things happen. Anyhow, Welch went on to
play the Judge in Anatomy of a Murder, and Schine, who started out with a
family fortune from hotels and inns, went on to a mixed-bag career in the
media, and is best remembered, after the McCarthy thing, for being the
executive
procucer of The French Connection.
2) By the way, Judi, the opening theme for The Goldbergs on radio and
televsion is Toselli's Serenade.
Otto Preminger
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: Nancy
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 01:52 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041517522700.NAA10361@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I don't know the correct one, but in my neck of the woods, it was always, "If
the good Lord's willing and the creek don't dry." One of my mother's
favorites was, "He doesn't have sense enough to pound sand down a rathole."
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: David Schine
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 03:02 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041519020800.PAA19873@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Yes David Schine was one of the McCarthy lawyers.
Oh, Jan I have set here and laughed my head off about your first two
televisons. I am still laughing. That beautiful blond furniture. Did you
have the Bookcase bed too? ( is that to, too, two and who the hell cares )
I remember our friends had television and we had a beach. We all were broke
living once a month pay checks. No money by the 10th of the month. Do you
remember? We sure do. Soooo I would make pop corn and take it up to their
house an watch tv. They would come to my house and swim on the ocean. We
lived in a garage apartment (World War 2 vintage) What memories. I giggle
now.
Take care and see you in NYC>
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Wedding--Y'all Come!
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 03:07 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041519080100.PAA20712@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Judi:
I can't believe you stated something about Nancy's typing !!!! Its
horrendous!!!! I have laughed so many times about it. I am glad you said
something and its all in fun. So don't sweat what you say. Promise.
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Weddings
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 03:04 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041519040000.PAA20157@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jackie:
I got the same e-mail this am. I am boiling water like crazy here!!!!!! Just
might have a cyberspace baby tonight. No word yet!!!!!!!!
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Up and Out
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 03:22 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041519220300.PAA22798@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<When I was little and would cry bored, my mom would say the equivalent of
"Go talk to a china cup." See what I mean?>>
Nancy--My mother would say, "Geh schlug kopf on der vont" (well, it sounded
like that) and meant go hit your head against the wall. My DS is convinced
that Yiddish is used only for curses and put-downs. Mebbe.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Sally -- again??!!
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 03:25 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041519255100.PAA12347@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Geez, Warren--Anybody could have reeled off all that information about G.
David Schine--but "Toselli's Serenade"? That's a toughie. Pretty melody;
what's if from? And what does the G before David stand for?
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Squint
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 04:03 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041520032300.QAA16415@ladder03.news.aol.com>
That's me - Squint - I got back from an eye exam 4 hours ago & it takes ages
for the drops to wear off - only 44 message to read - wow - don't know if I
can do this! My pupils take up my entire eyeball & I am very light sensitive
- wore two pair of sunglasses to get home. Not too sure of what I am typing
- Nancy - will you proof read this for me?
CISSIE & MARIA: I take everyone's advice - so I will read Martha Stewart's
book - I feel I owe it to my friend who also said it isn't a great book, but
interesting to see how she got where she is. I saw a TV special on her one
day - part of it - she had no makeup on at that moment & looked very
bedraggled & tired out.
If you don't have a heck of a lot of respect for the psychiatric branch of
medicine already, DON'T read MT. MISERY.
Tomorrow my in-face group does LITTLE ALTARS & YAYA - can't wait to hear what
they all think.
The Marco Maniac - off to do something that doesn't require reading
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Booknook South
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 04:15 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041520151400.QAA00907@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Wow,
Did I ever have a fine encounter with a fellow Booknooker today. There was a
wee problem; kept looking for this 50 year old celebrate all week birthday
girl, and twice walked right past this lithe, trim, blithe spirit with liquid
brown eyes. I knew that the appointed hour and location were correct, and
since no one else remotely fit the description, nor was anyone bouncing a
Carolina blue and white basketball, I smiled and said, "Cissie?".
Yep, that was SHE.
We had a lovely visit over coffee and salad, discussed the joys and trials
of young adult children and the pleasures of the Booknook Folders, but then
she twisted my arm and made me purchase The Short History of a Prince by Jane
Hamilton. We have several common reading interests, and with her prodding,
along with Marilu's recommendation, I knew I was a goner.
Cissie (LizTom) is a delightful human being; knowledgeable, witty, and
beautiful! What a treat to meet another North Carolinian from the NOOK. The
highlight of this week.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Sally -- again??!!
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 04:30 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041520300700.QAA19230@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judi,
1) The G stands for Gerard.
2) Other than seeing Toselli's name pop-up as an answer to a trivia
question, I never heard of him or his Serenade; so, I have no idea what the
serenade was from. Maybe that's the whole work. Toselli probably should have
been an advertising executive. The two of us, that's you and me Judi not me
and the Tosellimeister, are in group of a few million people who instantly
hear this theme whenever someone mentions Molly Goldberg. What a jingle
writer this guy could have been. Remember Goldberg's Peanut Chews. I wonder
if they still make them. I oughta find out. "Goldberg's peanut chews, They
are so yummy, Goldberg's peanut chews........." Yup -- we may have something
here.
I.M. Mallow
from Mars
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: Up and Out
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 04:41 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041520414900.QAA20560@ladder03.news.aol.com>
When my sons said they were bored, our babysitters reply was always, "Well,
then, stand on your head and stack B.B.s."
Our sons learned early not to express boredom, because we were only too happy
to find things to keep them busier than they wanted to be.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Booknook South
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 04:42 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041520424900.QAA05373@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Roe,
Excuse me. I am still trying to catch up on the a lot of the posts. I
must have missed something that I certainly would like to go back and read.
Did I understand you to say that you were looking for a fifty-year old,
celebate-all-week birthday girl named Cissie, who turns out to be LizTom from
North Carolina!! Holy TarHeels! That can only mean she is my old buddy the
Wellonsette, and I had wondered what happened to her -- the woman herself who
introduced me to DoubleTake, a magazine that I will keep getting until I
figure out what the heck it it is all about. Great photos. Roe -- you have
solved for me the EW dissappearnce. I don't want to overdo this infusion of
knowledge; so, whatever her week-long celibacy was all about -- none of my
business. Some type of North Carolinian religious rite I assume, but hey --
whatever.
Art Heyman
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: Booknook South
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 05:12 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041521121400.RAA24006@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dear Art Heyman,
I much prefer Deo juvante (adjuvante) to Deo Volente, but I have only one
thing to say regarding your return to the folders:
Deo gratis for Warren/Luigi
HUMPF, celebate indeed! Just one little typo replaces all known fossil
fuels. Although in some anti-iconoclastic monastery realms which I inhabit,
that is not such a bad idea. Sure saves the back.
Priscilla the Hun
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Catching Up
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 05:16 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041521160701.RAA10840@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Having missed Sunday's, Monday's and Tuesday's worth of posts, I am reminded
how far one can get behind in a few days, but it was fun to read all the
posts. One never catches up, although the moments and opportunities posted
are just as much fun in retrospect.
Our Easter Celebration was lovely and filled with family, the weather was
beautiful, but I think I poisoned my family. Hope to heck it was an
intestinal virus that descended like an evil miasma in the wee hours of
Tuesday AM. Two sons and my DH were struck down, flat down with the CRUD.
Will one of you knowledgeable people who know the difference (and time
intervals) between Food poisoning and Intestinal Flu let me know your
thoughts?
meanwhile, everything in the refrigerator is now in the garbage, and
gingerale and soda crackers are on the menu.
Judi,
I would be honored to write the Society Page commentary on the wedding, with
your full understanding that I am not erudite-That adjective fits Marilu,
Warren, RuthAlice, and many others. Long-winded, capable of making sweeping
generalizations, employing gut reactions, painful honesty and profuse
apologies with verbosity-That's me. I've already begun. let's see..
"The Mother of the Groom , stunned by toxic adhesive in her bandaids( WHOOPS,
scratch that). The Mother of the Groom, stunning in her Designer original
... was seen dancing with her smashed husband ( NOPE, scratch that too) was
seen arm in arm with her smashing, debonair husband . The couple,
aroused....( Gotta edit that out too) The couple aroused looks of envy from
all at the Gala, the Nuptial Event of the year"
Well, you get the picture. It's going to take a lot of work and revision.
Your post including the booknookers and their respective responsibilities had
me rolling on the floor !
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: HAPPY, HAPPY
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 05:20 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041521200900.RAA24953@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dear RuthAlice-
From one lover of Fredonia to another -----
The very best of Birthdays and many
more!!!
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Lobstah what?
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 05:23 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041521230100.RAA12064@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol- treyf in reference to lobster or pork or bacon means this is unclean
food and cannot be eaten accoring to the laws of Kashruth. Among Jews who
keep a Kosher home, meat and dairy are never served together and both
utensils and plates are separated on thse occassions. In some homes they may
even have two separate refrigerators. Kosher for Passover is entirely
different and when one buys matzo for Passover it must say Kosher for
Passover or its not to be eaten at this time.
Pork or shellfish products are not allowed at anytime because they come from
an unclean part of the body.
So some Jews don't eat lobster or shrimp or pork or bacon etc.
Me, today I eat everything - not so in my mom's house but that was then and
this is now.
CATZERS- Yes, Edie Adams was married to Ernie Kovacs at the time of his
death. Too bad I can't watch these wonderful actors now - I don't think I
really apprecated them then.
Shauna - something tells me you better finish up that book and get thee to
the hospital. Very best wishes to you and your family.
Jan - I was also wondering abotu the pronunciation of the name Antonia - as
I'm listening to it the way you wrote it is what I'm listening to. My
AN-toe-knee-uh I know Michelle had a friend from Italy who pronounced it the
other way.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Shopping.com
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 05:24 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041521243500.RAA12331@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Please understand that I have never used this website and only came across it
from the Oprah book club folder where members were discussing the fact that
once again Oprah chose a hardcover. I most likely will try this once and
then make a judgement call for the future.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Wedding--Y'all Come!
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 05:36 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041521361600.RAA14252@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Judi<< If Nancy taught sex education as well as she types, we now understand
a lot about the social/sexual problems in NYC! >>
Funny that you mentioned this--- I remember clearly when I began discussing
the birth process that a student asked if I had any children. I explained
that I was newly married. The student then shook her head and said, "You
don't have to be married to have children." The next day I was trying real
hard to sound as though I knew what I was talking about during the labor
process when the same student told me to sit down and she would continue the
lesson since had been through this twice before. I imagine thats why the
following semester I was asked instead to teach English as Second Langauage
and believe me I have equally funny stories to tell from these students.
But you know what ---perhaps I should look for another board to post to.
Like Nixon I'm tired of being pushed around by all of you journalist types.
ROTFLWTSDMF - now thats a new one!!! Its rolling on the floor laughing with
tears streaming down my face
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Lobstah what?
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 05:38 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041521381300.RAA14568@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Oh Judi - I can't spell but you can freely and openly talk about your you
know whats and your MOG dress and your strapless and backless bra!!!
Shhh- you think Warren is still playing with the bar-b-que baseball?
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Update on Mom
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 05:39 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041521392800.RAA14767@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jackie and Carol - what wonderful news about your mom. Keeping my toes and
fingers crossed and even my eyes.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: TV AND BOOKS
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 05:50 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041521501800.RAA16639@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I remember That Was the Week That was and its host David Frost. Do you also
remember Dick Cavett. Now he was an interesting interviewer.
Surprise, surprise. I've been meaning to mention this all week. DH and I
ventured to the bookstore on Monday evening and he immediately said he'd meet
me at the magazines when I was finished. Personally I think he's trying to
figure out how to help Judi with her dress and bra cause I think I saw him
holding a Playboy but....I wandered away thinking "If I was a Rich Woman" as
I saw so many books I wanted. The hI spotted him, my very own DH
slithering to the checkout counter carrying two books. He was actually
hiding from me cause he knew once he whipped out his credit card, I woudl
find something to ad to his purchases. So what did he buy- the new Tracy
Ullman book for Mich cause she loves Tracy and imitates her all the time and
the new Joseph Heller book cause Bruce loves Nathan's hot dogs and thinks if
he smells the book, he'll actually taste the ones from Brooklyn in his mouth.
Is he going to also read this book - that remains to be seen.
BTW - Judi - after mounds of research Bruce said to go with the band - aids
if al lelse fails and he'll also be joining me for the festivities..
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Kosher Lobster
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 05:59 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041521593900.RAA18234@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy-A friend from Italy would pronounce Antonia as an-TOE-nya but Willa
Cather didn't come from any paese that I'm aware of. If she had, her book
would be Antonia Mia which could also be sung to the tune of O Sole Mio.
Nancy and Judi-I heard from Lita that she has found the perfect Lobster
Newburgh recipe that can be adapted for a kosher meal. It's called Lobster a
la Molly Goldberg. Oy, I'm getting crazy from hanging around with you.
Sally-You're not going to weasel out of giving me the gold star I earned.
Schine may have had a different life after Roy Cohn and McCarthy, but I knew
him when...!
Jayne, another '50s bride, wrote, <<Oh, Jan I have set here and laughed my
head off about your first two televisons. I am still laughing. That
beautiful blond furniture. Did you have the Bookcase bed too? >>
I answered her about our 1952 purchases << Of course we had the bookcase
bed. In fact, my son refinished it and still uses it as his master bed, along
with the two night tables. The other two pieces (bureau and double
dresser-remember that term??) my dear Steve refinished in a fruit wood finish
and we use it in the spare room. Still lovely. It's solid mahogany. I guess
you can't buy stuff like that anymore.
My mom took my original sofa, had it refinished and she's still using that.
The original bookcases we had are in my son's house. Our original
kitchen/dining set was made by a company called Heywood Wakefield. That too
was solid maple (blond finish: also refinished by Steve ) and have since
become a collector's items. The chairs alone are worth over $1000 each. The
table and chairs are being stored at my son's house for my daughter but she
does have the small matching credenza in her apartment filled with her CDs.
As you can see we bought good stuff and never get rid of anything, which is
a good thing because that's why Steve still keeps me-even if I am more
rickety than I'd like to be.
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Pulitzer Prizes
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 06:12 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041522121100.SAA20505@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Well, the Pulitzer announcements have been made and I'm not surprised that
Philip Roth won for American Pastoral. I did write a review about this book a
while back and recommended it highly. My daughter and I also saw the play
How I Learned to Drive and we both thought it was marvelous. Michiko
Kakutani won for her literary criticism in the NYTimes which is
well-deserved. I always seek out and enjoy her criticism. I haven't
read Katharine Graham's biography, Personal History, as yet but it is on my
list. All in all, I heartily applaud the choices of the committee this year.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Otto and Schine
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 06:20 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998041522204500.SAA22000@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Otto,
Bravo!! You are herewith and forthwith to be presented with your very own
Gold Star for your excellent, erudite and exemplary G. David Schine
Presentation. The Star will be conferred at a Grand Ceremony to be held on
April 27, place TBA. (Consider yourself forewarned!)
Very truly yours,
Smiling Sal
p.s. Note that I am ignoring any requests for True Confessions re. the
Powder-Your-Face-With-Sunshine Incident even though I'm aware that some
elephants have longer memories than others.....
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: RuthAlice
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 06:29 PM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998041522291800.SAA23515@ladder01.news.aol.com>
A
very
Happy
Birthday
to you.
May all your troubles, be small ones!
........and a wonderful year to come!!!!!!!!
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Re: Kosher Lobster
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 06:31 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041522310900.SAA03626@ladder03.news.aol.com>
1) Why is a lobster not kosher? I know it is because it is a shellfish,
but, I mean, suppose it weren't? Let me put it this way -- if Niko and I
gene-splice ourselves up a new breed of lobster without shells -- could it be
kosher? Or is the problem with shellfish that they reside on the bottom muck
of the water, and that shell or no-shell if my new lobster breed insisted on
dwelling on the bottom of the water -- no good? What qualities
do I have to engineer into a lobster (don't worry Judi - Niko and I will
protect the taste and texture at all costs) to enable it to be kosher?
2) Antonia -- Jan in Ozone Park in the fifties Antonia and Antonio were
common Italian names. They were always pronounced as you indicated, the girls
alternatively in three or four syllable versions -- Ann TOE' nee ya or Ann
TOE' nya, and the boys always four syllables -
Ann TOE' nee o. I guess I just wanted the Bohemian version to sound
different, and frankly assumed that it did. Besides My Antonia, even in the
title, has this neat little accent mark over the initial A. So I always
stressed, for no good reason, the first syllable.
Anyhow I got lucky. I just opened my copy, which incidently I
bought last Fall at the Strand Nook Fest and which I LOVED. At the bottom of
the first page of Chapter one is the following footnote -
"The Bohemian name Antonia is strongly accented on the first syllable,
like the English name Anthony, and the i is, of course, given the sound of
long e. The name is pronounced -
An' -- ton -- ee -- ah." QED
Sven Finney
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: More Gold Stars
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 06:32 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998041522324000.SAA03832@ladder03.news.aol.com>
OK, OK!
Jan and Judi... and is there anyone ELSE! Geesh... OK, so I will also pin
Gold Stars on you both at the Ceremony on the 27th. Are you
reeeaaaaddddyyyy..... <g>
(I still think that Otto deserves the BIGGEST Star though...)
Smiling Sal
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Re: Booknook South
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 06:44 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041522443600.SAA05315@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Roe and Cissie:
I am jealous I wish I could have been there. Just have to have a Booknook
South get together.
Talk to you both later. Fredonia tonight at 9:00 PM.
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Pulitzer Prizes
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 06:44 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041522444700.SAA26262@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Booknook South! What fun to meet another booknooker. Did Roe mention that
we met at a grocery store? It's a Southern thing! Right next to the okra
bin. Seriously, Roe is a delight -- wonderfully poised. That poise in
another always turns me into a blithering, babbling idiot! We had such fun
talking about children, books, children, booknook, children, cigarettes, etc.
I think that our sons were twins, separated at
birth. We'll have to get to the bottom of this. It may well be that Roe
should take mine. JK. It was hard to make myself leave, but at least I
forced her to buy a book. Once we established that "Father and Son" was a
mutual favorite book a couple of years ago, I had no trouble convincing her
that she would like "Short History".
Warren -- What a memory you have! And you're still subscribing to
Doubletake? I get it for my daughter, a budding photographer. I have
another Southern publication for you, but first you have to write another
book and send me a copy!! Back to the disappearing Wellons act! You got
sick or something a couple of years ago, was it the back??, and my e-mail to
you telling of my new identity kept bouncing. So . . . there you have it!
Jan -- I have American Pastoral on Mt. TBR, based primarily on your glowing
review. Maybe I'll get to it soon.
I'm devouring carrots. They taste nothing like cigarettes. I hate this.
Cissie
Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY RUTHALICE
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 07:03 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041523033600.TAA07716@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice your wisdom
Is known far & wide
To us you're a treasure
To keep -
And so on your birthday
We'll wine you & dine you
And see that you don't get
Much sleep.
The van will pull up at your door
Very soon, with folks
From all over the place,
They'll bring piles of books
From their own little nooks
And give you a snuggly
Embrace.
A birthday is special,
No matter its size
It should bring you joy & good health -
And if we were greedy, instead of just needy,
We'd wish you a lot of great wealth.
We sense there's a truth, to you dear Ruth
Alice a message is there -
The quality's high
With dreams you can fly
Very well and with goodness you fare.
And so on this day
We all meet to say
HAPPY BIRTHDAY to one lady fine -
Good wishes are here to last the
Whole year,
And here is your special sign:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
TO YOU, RUTHALICE
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Birthday Girl
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 07:20 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041523202300.TAA09767@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice,
I guess you get two poems tonight! Forgive me Carol........You are the poet,
but I just had to honor our Girl with a poem as well. Posts to die for and
food for thought. RuthAlice is such a complement to our boards here, and a
voice of distinction.
Happy Birthday!
You have added so much to our lives. How?
Turned the mundane into the important,
Found the meaning of a tragic day,
Lightened the load of a questioning heart, and
Chosen the perfect words to say.
My birthday wish for you is to continue thwarting the Impossibilities.
May you continue:
To gather grapes from thistles,
Fetch water in a sieve,
Catch wind in a cabbage net and,
Show us how to live.
Flay eels by the tail,
Make cheese of chalk,
Square all of the circles, and
Engage us with your talk.
Turn base metal into gold,
Make a silk purse from sow's ear,
And most of all , RuthAlice,
Teach us how to really hear.
Roe/Eor
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Birthday Girl
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 07:40 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041523400500.TAA12249@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice -- What a memorable day for a birthday!! I hope that you've had
the sort of day you deserve, filled with loving, caring friends. You have
many here on this board who all wish you the happiest birthday ever.
Cissie
Subject: Re: RuthAlice
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 07:55 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041523555000.TAA09012@ladder01.news.aol.com>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, RUTH AAAAAALIIIIICE!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
(AND MANY MOOOOOORRRREEEE!!!!!)
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Quicksilver Country
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 08:05 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041600052000.UAA15615@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I have a small favor to ask, especially of Northern California Booknookers.
Years ago, my husband and I were the school teachers in a mining camp in San
Benito County, New Idria. It was a wonderful experience, and probably the
only reason we left is that it was a cinnabar mine, where mercury was
processed and environmental concerns closed it down in the early 70's. A
friend who lives in King City called us today and told us of a book he had
just read titled Quicksilver Country by Peter Fruscetta (sp?) and there is a
chapter in there about my husband and I. Of course, it was probably one of
those locally produced historical tomes and it was written about 20 years
ago, but I would be overjoyed if it were remotely possible to get hold of a
copy. There are two in the Monterey library, but I can hardly slink in there
and steal one. If anyone knows of this book, please let me know. We were
young returned Peace Corps volunteers who took our baby and hied ourselves to
a mining camp in the San Benito Mountains, and it was a wonderful chapter of
our lives. And, yes, Warren, it is possible for a young man from Huntington
to find happiness in a remote mining camp in the West.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: TV and Antonia
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 08:42 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041600425700.UAA20260@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Catzers:
Two people that could find links for those kinds of tapes would be
jackie/J5577 or MARILU3123.
They know more links than anyone.
Love seeing you Post again.
Take care. Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Pulitzer Prizes
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 08:57 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041600572900.UAA22055@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cissie:
Just keep crunching on those carrotts!!! I know they don't taste like
cigarettes but what does!!! Your doing fine. One day at a time. or One Hour
at a time.
regards,
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: RuthAlice
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 09:28 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041601290001.VAA25722@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Happy Birthday, RuthAlice!
``__D``___D``__D
________________
PS Not one, not two, but THREE blends to choose from---or have them all and
stay up all night and PARTY!
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Another
Marvelous Thing by Laurie Colwin
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: RuthAlice and Cheef
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 09:46 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041601465800.VAA29170@ladder01.news.aol.com>
What are the odds! RuthAlice knits herself a bullet-proof vest out of
some herb that none of the rest of us have ever heard of ---- "if you tightly
weave the roots and stems of the wild golden kevlar it makes a vest quite
adequate for random small caliber incursions" -- (take that Martha Stewart
you ninny!) --- and makes it to another ---
Happy Birthday ------
and then I find out about Cheef's remarkable trek wherein she kidnapped
some poor Huntington, Long Island local, out from under my neighbors' noses,
and dragged the poor love-blinded innocent into some mining camp in the
western wilderness claiming the whole escapade was part of the Peace Corps'
service to the globe.
Mama mia what a joyous days of statistical freaks this is.
...........
Oscar Hammerstein Lind
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: TV
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 09:49 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998041601492101.VAA29682@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Catzers...Ernie Kovacs. You found him good looking? So did my mother. But
she never could convince me. I was 7 and was in bed for 3 months (!) with
scarlet fever. It was Halloween and, since I couldn't go out, my mom wheeled
the television into my room. On the screen was a "princess" knitting in a
large room walled by glass. Ernie Kovacs was peering in. I started
screaming, my mom turned off the tv and from then on, had to check
the windows and closets before I went to sleep. I don't think she has
convinced me yet that he was a handsome comedian. Maybe now. And yes, he
was married to Edie Adams!
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner, Lady Chatterly's Lover (for my
book group) and listening to Downtown by Anne Rivers Siddons. (And loving
all!)
Subject: Sizes
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 09:56 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998041601562900.VAA01223@ladder01.news.aol.com>
This came to me today via e-mail...thought it was pretty amusing.
Marilyn Monroe wore a size 12.
The average American woman weighs 144 lbs. and wears between a size 12 and
14.
If shop mannequins were real women THEY'D BE TOO THIN TO MENSTRUATE.
There are 3 billion women who don't look like supermodels and ONLY 8 WHO
DO.
One out of every 4 college aged women has an eating disorder.
The models in the magazines are airbrushes...THEY'RE NOT PERFECT.
A psychological study in 1995 found that 3 minutes spent looking at models
in a fashion magazine caused 70% of women to feel depressed, guilty and
shameful.
Models who twenty years ago weighted 8% less than the average woman, today
weigh 23% less.
If Barbie were a real woman, she'd have to walk on all fours due to her
proportions.
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner, Lady Chatterly's Lover (for my
book group) and listening to Downtown by Anne Rivers Siddons. (And loving
all!)
Subject: NY Nookerama
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 09:59 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041601595400.VAA01880@ladder01.news.aol.com>
There has been a series of informative, entertaining, and quite
likely illegal emails circulating betwixt and between the expected attendees
at the NY Nook meeting. Much recent conversation has centered on late tips
from Nancy concerning attire in which she made highly suggestive, although
possibly useful, tips about all the reasons one should wear a fanny pack to
the Strand. MariLu was informed, for example, that she could stick her
mascarain her fanny pack. Judi wondered if that is the same as sticking it
where the sun don't shine. Meanwhile, I wonder what the heck they are talking
about. Anyone in the broader Nook world care to help out here? As I
explained to the NY contingent I will hold room in both my wardrobe and
medicine cabinet for this fanny pack thing while I try to determine where it
would most suitably be housed. Is this like a mini-bustle that holds things?
Is there alot of call for that?
Fanny Packs-em-in
Brice
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: Catching Up
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 10:00 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041602003600.WAA02018@ladder01.news.aol.com>
EOR--Talk about rolling on the floor! It's a wonder I can reach the keyboard
from down here. You are a natural-born society editor. Let 'er rip! Must
show your post to my smashed DH!
Love from
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: HAPPY, HAPPY
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 10:02 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041602024800.WAA01187@ladder03.news.aol.com>
From just a little south of where you are, RuthAlice--
The happiest of happy birthdays to our font of wisdom, knowledge and ethics.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Pulitzer Prizes
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 10:15 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041602152200.WAA04877@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Reading this morning that Roth won the Pullet Surprise for American Pastoral
and remembering Jan's enthusiastic review of it, I was in Costco this
afternoon, saw it in paperback and snapped it up. Can't wait to get started.
I resisted the following items but they sure would have been fun to listen to
with a lot of you who are older than 40ish. They had three big cassette
collections from the Golden Age of Radio--one was the mystery and suspense
shows, the second was the comedy shows and the last was a mix. They were $30
each. So if any of you just have to hear "The Shadow," he's at Costco.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: More Gold Stars
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 10:19 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041602192200.WAA03519@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Sally, I'm getting nervous. This isn't going to be like those Marine Corps
pinnings I've read about, is it? Um, I hereby give my smaller but still
quite lovely star to Sven Finney, the big macher. Long may he Schine.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Sizes
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 10:42 PM EDT
From: Sandquist
Message-id: <1998041602423300.WAA06878@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Some helpful annotation to Lita's post:
<<Marilyn Monroe wore a size 12.>> Not too often.
<<The average American woman weighs 144 lbs. and wears between a size 12 and
14>> Is size 13.2 easy to find in the stores?
<<If shop mannequins were real women THEY'D BE TOO THIN TO MENSTRUATE.>>
And too stiff to be much fun on a date.
<<There are 3 billion women who don't look like supermodels and ONLY 8 WHO
DO.>> And then there's Cory Everson.
<<One out of every 4 college aged women has an eating disorder.>> I've got
nothing
funny to say about this ever-growing, tragic statistic.
"The models in the magazines are airbrushes" Is that anything like an
air-head.
""A psychological study in 1995 found that 3 minutes spent looking at models
in a fashion magazine caused 70% of women to feel depressed, guilty and
shameful." A few people have shared stories with me about their mothers who,
if the stories be legit,
could beat that time by eighty seconds.
<<Models who twenty years ago weighted 8% less than the average woman, today
weigh 23% less.>> The same ones?
<<If Barbie were a real woman, she'd have to walk on all fours due to her
proportions.>> Not is she used McPherson struts.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And in closing, let me just say, as someone officially sanctioned and
authorized to speak on behalf of the entire sane male gender ( that's
fifty-three people) in such matters as feminine attractiveness ---
1) Beautiful women come in all sizes and shapes and ages. ALL.
I do not know twenty men who favor stick-shape women. I do
know a number who favor Barbie-shaped women, but that herd
is a steadily-decreasing minority.
2) The single most important beauty element for women of all ages --
by far -- is an expressively-engaging, vibrant facial demeanor topped off,
like whip cream
on an ice cream sundae, with a friendly, welcoming smile.
3) Next in importance are bright, shining, inquiring eyes that sparkle
with intellect, life, interest and warmth.
The biggest beauty problem for women who do not look like the
media's silly models is that
they often let the psychological impact of that media illusion steal from
their faces the real beauty that was
always there. If you are beautiful inside -- please let your face know about
it. And that's what everyone else
will see.
Enough. I go now. ---------- Luigi
Warren -----
"Earth's crammed with heaven, And every common bush afire with God; But only
he who sees takes off his shoes; The rest sit round it and pluck
blackberries." --
Elizabeth Barrett Browning
Subject: John Gilstrap is coming to Atlanta
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 10:48 PM EDT
From: TheSussMan
Message-id: <1998041602484800.WAA07765@ladder03.news.aol.com>
With all of these Book Nook reunions going on around the country, it's time
for one in Atlanta. I propose Sunday, July 19, as that's the day that John
Gilstrap will be coming to MY bookstore to sign his new book, AT ALL COSTS. I
was updating the Chapter 11 web site's list of upcoming author signings and
discovered this pleasant surprise. John now joins fellow BN authors Steve
Martini and Tess
Gerritsen who have visited my store. So when will the rest of you BN authors
come visit? <g>
Mike
Mike Sussman's Thrillers & Audiobooks
http://members.aol.com/thesussman/home.htm
Subject: Antonia
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 11:29 PM EDT
From: Spumony2
Message-id: <1998041603294501.XAA19211@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thus, the Bohemian pronunciation of My Fredonia must be --
My FRED - oh - nee- ah
Spumony2 / Cathy
Subject: Re: RuthAlice and Cheef
Date: Wed, 15 April 1998 11:30 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041603305400.XAA19418@ladder01.news.aol.com>
What can I say??? He was a Dartmouth boy and ready for adventure.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Words
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 12:20 AM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041604205100.AAA19871@ladder03.news.aol.com>
OK, all you word-lovers out there. Here is a site you have to visit:
Cliche Finder
URL: http://www.westegg.com/cliche/
This one is so much fun! It gives you a cliche for any word you enter. Hope
you enjoy it as much as I have!
An example: Search Result: words
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eat your words
eat your own words
actions speak louder than words
a man of few words
mark my words
a picture is worth a thousand words
a play on words
you took the words right out of my mouth
weasel words
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Book
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 12:27 AM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041604274001.AAA29173@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I had to do one more search for this group:
Search Result: book
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Can't judge a book by its cover
don't judge a book by its cover
in my black book
by the book
he's an open book
read him like an open book
take a leaf out of your book
take a page out of your book
throw the book at
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So I lied--two:
Search Result: read
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when all else fails read the directions
read between the lines
read him like an open book
read something into it
read the riot act
read the tea leaves
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See how fun this is?
Your turn!
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Thanks
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 12:30 AM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998041604300000.AAA20869@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thank you all for the birthday greetings and poems. I was touched and have
saved them for posterity.
I had a great birthday WEEKEND, going to the coast Friday night and coming
back Monday afternoon. We rented an oceanfront cabin right on Rockaway Beach
and it was wonderful----Rockaway Beach standsout as one of those with no
leash law. Dukka and Agnes were in their glory and here it is, Wednesday
night and they are still tired. We had no plans and I brought a lot of books
and sat on the deck (as much as possible in the weather) and read or sat
inside by the fire and read. The weather was off and on pleasantly sunny and
warm and downright pouring, making both the fire and sitting outside
wonderful. I even (I think) saw a whale from the deck. It was so fast that I
can't be sure, but whale season is still on, though almost over, and the name
of the cabin was the whale watcher, so it's possible.
Today, on the other hand, was hectic as all get out---and getting home and
reading Book Nook messages was the highlight. You all really made my day.
Thank you all,
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Addenda
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 12:55 AM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041604555300.AAA23509@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice-I hope your day was as special as you make BookNook, and I imagine
every place you happen to be. Happy, happy day, and many more to come.
Lita-Ooh, scarlet fever. I too spent a long quarantined time in bed with that
now out-moded disease. I remember spending days playing with the Gone With
The Wind Paper Dolls. I guess we each had it in different centuries.
And thank you for that wonderful piece on women's sizes. It was
amusing....but so sad.
Cheef-I want to read that book too. What is the title? Tell us if you find
it.
Can it be that Mr. Information (which is better than being Miss Information)
is at a loss for info on fanny packs? That's okay, anyone who has such an
elegant eye for real women will be forgiven this time.
FYI: Fanny packs were invented by women who got tired of toting in their
purses whatever didn't fit in hubby's pockets.
Spumony-Brilliant ! My FRED-oh-nee-ah, indeed
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Emotional RollerCoaster
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 01:03 AM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998041605032200.BAA24180@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Today was an eventful day.
While I was chatting in Fredonia, a friend of mine called and announced that
she is going to have a baby (due Sept 1) and I am thrilled. They will be
wonderful parents and are such happy and healthy people with so much love and
exuberance that I think their little boy will be very blessed. I am almost
giddlily happy about this.
However, no sooner did she hang up than another friend called, seeking some
reassurance because this new symptom she is suffering (trigeminal something)
is most likely caused by a brain tumor or (she hopes) ms (she has so many
chronic diseases I am amazed she is alive -- diabetes, crohn's disease,
glaucoma, fused discs in her back, neuropathy (not diabetic neuropathy),
hypertension, and an aneurysm). She goes for tests on monday, but they cannot
do
an mri as she has this aneurysm that was stapled years ago and if the mri
could upset it.
She cannot work. The last job she had, on her third day she lost control of
her bladder while talking to a national president of one of their allies and
peed all over his shoes. She was fired because she lacked credibility. Every
job she has had she has lost because of chronic absenteeism as she spends a
cumulative 2-3 months a year int he hospital and is bedridden for more than
that while fasting for the crohn's (can you imagine a diabetic fasting
for 2 weeks at a time). However, Social Security Disability only approves 11%
of all claims and it's a crapshoot who will be approved. She was not and is
in the 3 year long appeal wait until she can get her case heard by a judge.
What's amazing is that she was denied even though Social Security's own
doctors wrote in their filings that she was disabled and should receive
disability.
To top it off, her marriage is under terrific financial pressure because she
is not working and because of her medical bills. Now her husband, a truly
kind man 99% of the time, who is under unbearable pressure, has told her she
must find a job or he will file for divorce because he cannot stand the
financial pressure any more. He is working two shifts per day right now and
they are falling further and further behind. Personally, I also think that it
just is too painful for him to watch her getting sicker and sicker, but
always with something chronic and debilitating...neverending. This is awful
to say, but if it were terminal, I think he would have the strength, but
instead it's more like water on a stone. This additional stress is the last
thing she needs, but they have not been married long (5 years) and he has
become her caretaker more than her husband.
I don't think my mood has swung from that height to that depth so quickly in
my life. My friend who is ill is a wonderful woman...though I admit I
sometimes dread her calls because so often there is a crisis and so often she
is sick and needs help or cheering up and she calls me because I am so
unsympathetic. Not that she only calls when something bad happens, but that
something bad happens so often that she has few opportunities to make
cheerful
calls. I make it a rule to never be sympathetic because then she gets
depressed and starts to cry and it's not cathartic for her--she just cries
and cries. So I say, "well at least it's not x, y , or z. " However, I am
running out of things for it to at least not be. She must like my lack of
sympathy, because she calls me more than anyone and always calls me first. Of
course, a lot of people have run into compassion fatigue. Mutual friends have
asked after her, interested and hoping she is doing well, but ducking calls
sometimes because she is exhausting.
She can be exhausting, but she is also a little inspiring. She keeps her
humor and laughs about her problems, even when she is seeking reinforcement,
and she is still interested in other people. Her illnesses compounded have
made her slightly self-absorbed, but she is not a Munchausen's egocentric.
For example, when another friend was dying and needed around the clock care,
she got on the phone and organized shifts of volunteers to be there so his
wife and family did not face it alone. She couldn't do it herself, but she
found the people to do it and she managed (even in the hospital herself) to
keep someone there with him 12 hours a day as relief for his wife for over 11
months without a missed shift, scheduling replacements when others were sick
or out of town and encouraging and pressuring people who were thinking their
commitment would not last so long -- he lingered a long time.
I have named her Kathy AWE (Alien Woman Extraterrestrial) because, as I told
her, if she were merely human she would be dead by now. She made stationery
on her home computer that says Kathy _____, A.W.E. and no one knows what
that means and some assume it's a degree.
Oh well, at least it's not bubonic plague.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: Antonia
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 07:33 AM EDT
From: Amdal
Message-id: <1998041611334401.HAA24242@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Well, I have seen my name in the subject line so frequently I have gotten
past being startled.
Just for the record the pronunciation of my name as we use it(Portuguese) is
An- TAW -nya.................................
Subject: Happy Happy
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 08:44 AM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998041612442500.IAA10622@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Ruth Alice,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
I hope your birthday is (was?) a very happy one.
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Re: Birthday
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 08:54 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998041612543000.IAA01112@ladder01.news.aol.com>
A late but well meaning birthday greeting to you, RuthAlice! When someone
says many happy "returns" of the day to you, does it have a double meaning?
I have a friend visiting the Oregon coast right now and her e-mails are
glowing. She's a travel agent and has been everywhere but she admits to
being more enthusiastic about the coast of Oregon than she's been about
anywhere in a long time. Lucky you! And Happy Birthday!
Sue
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: Emotional RollerCoaster
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 09:21 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041613214900.JAA03871@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Ruth:
It was good you related some of this story last night in Chat but what a
story! It has to be one of a kind. I know what you mean about not being
sympathetic. Most people with health problems to any real extent do not need
sympathy just a kind word, understanding or a joke.
Your a gem and thank you for sharing.
Regards,
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Sizes
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 09:38 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041613385900.JAA14266@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thanks for those words, Lita. I'm passing them along to my 18 year old. As
a mother of young women, I am frightened by the sad self-images I detect in
that age group. The media certains bears much of the blame here. However,
having spent the better part of my life on some sort of diet, I probably
haven't helped much. Tell me, are eating disorders a relatively new problem
or are they just more prevalent now? I don't
remember ever hearing about them in the 60's, but now have friends who have
daughters literally starving themselves to death.
Cissie
Subject: Re: Kosher Lobster
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 09:43 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041613432801.JAA06222@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jan - I don't know how to tell you but you might have been crazy before you
were hanging around with us. You know that expression "birds of a feather."
And to be honest with you, with so many more Kosher products on the shelves
these days who knows we may yet see kosher lobster.
You know what really bugs me, a pet peeve, when the waiter says order this it
takes just like lobster(ahlf the cost ) or Bruce will say the new so and so
looks like a Mercedes (for a quartrer of the price. Iis it lobster? Is it a
Mercedes? SO......why settle for anything else. (lack of money). This from
a preson who eats tunafish and drives a yugo.
BTW - has anybody seen the new Vokswagenb beetle. We saw one the other day
and were so excited - beeping the diver and waving our arms. We had a red
one we named Mr. Bug in 1972 - which was stolen on the streets of Queens.
Ahh memoriues.
Just realized that one of the Ephron sisiters write a book called Crazy
Salald and I'm writing Word Salad today
Now I'm typing without my glasses - thats what you call Chutzpah. Ok any of
you out there who are familiar with this and explain that one.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Emotional RollerCoaster
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 09:49 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041613495301.JAA06925@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Your poor friend. It all sounds rather hopeless, doesn't it? Well, at least
she has friends who will listen and perhaps keep her from wallowing in
self-pity. I like the term "compassion fatigue". Sad but true sometimes.
However, that doesn't appear to be a disorder that affects you.
Happy day after!
Cissie
Subject: Words of Wisdom
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 10:00 AM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041614003600.KAA15814@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I received this in my e-mail this morning and wanted to share these words
with all of you:
Try not to become a man of success but
rather try to become a man of value.
Einstein (1879-1955)
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: Sizes
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 11:13 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998041615131200.LAA21391@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I must have been in my sleep when I wrote "amusing"...more likely talking to
someone and typing at the same time. (A bad habit of mine.) Nancy has her
typos..me..."wordo's" (a new word for our dictionary! But I did find many of
Warren's additions amusing. Ok, off to the phones!
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner, Lady Chatterly's Lover (for my
book group) and listening to Downtown by Anne Rivers Siddons. (And loving
all!)
Subject: Re: Addenda
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 11:34 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998041615341900.LAA23101@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jan - Oh, scarlet fever had paper dolls too. And many, many books. Three
months' worth. There was television (with 4 stations, mind you) and my
mother and I always watched the afternoon movie, which was most often "Little
Women". (Thus, I am expert on all versions.) When DD got scarlet fever,
she took antibiotics for 10 days and was back at school in 5. A much better
scenario!
Ruth Alice - HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am really sorry about your friend but remember the good news as well.
Cissie - I, too, am the mother of 2 girls...one just entering adolesence.
She's a little chubby, along with extremely pretty but I know the chubby part
gets in her way. I am scared to death of eating disorders...she's a
perfectionist, the perfect profile...we talk about it a lot and I hope that's
enough. Neither of my girls will ever be close to willowy and, though we
understand it intellectually, its difficult to accept. I did have one friend
with anorexia but it was relatively unknown and considered pretty strange at
the time.
Nancy - I saw a red VW yesterday, two of them in fact. I thought they were
strange looking. I got a 1972 red beetle for my 21st birthday and I LOVED
that car...gave it up in 1983 and still look for it.
Chutzpah? That's an easy one...a lotta noive.
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner, Lady Chatterly's Lover (for my
book group) and listening to Downtown by Anne Rivers Siddons. (And loving
all!)
Subject: Words of Wisdom
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 11:47 AM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041615474401.LAA20742@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I got this today and want to share it.
>I've learned that I like my teacher because she cries when we sing "Silent
>Night." Age 6
>
>I've learned that you can't hide a piece of broccoli in a glass of milk. Age
>7
>
>I've learned that when I wave to people in the country, they stop what they
>are doing and wave back. Age 9
>
>I've learned that just when I get my room the way I like it, Mom makes me
>clean it up. Age 13
>
>I've learned that if you want to cheer yourself up, you should try cheering
>someone else up. Age 14
>
>I've learned that although it's hard to admit it, I'm secretly glad my
>parents
>are strict with me. Age 15
>
>I've learned that silent company is often more healing than words of advice.
>Age 24
>
>I've learned that brushing my child's hair is one of life's great pleasures.
>Age 26
>
>I've learned that wherever I go, the worlds worst drivers have followed me
>there.
>Age 29
>
>I've learned...that if someone says something unkind about me, I must live
so
>that no one will believe it. Age 39
>
>I've learned that there are people who love you dearly but just don't know
>how
>to show it. Age 41
>
>I've learned that you can make some one's day by simply sending them a
little
>card. Age 44
>
>I've learned that the greater a person's sense of guilt, the greater his
need
>to cast blame on others. Age 46
>
>I've learned that children and grandparents are natural allies. Age 47
>
>I've learned that singing "Amazing Grace" can lift my spirits for hours. Age
>49
>
>I've learned that motel mattresses are better on the side away from the
>phone.
>Age 50
>
>I've learned that you can tell a lot about a man by the way he handles these
>three things: a rainy day, lost luggage, and tangled Christmas tree lights.
>Age 52
>
>I've learned that keeping a vegetable garden is worth a medicine cabinet
full
>of pills. Age 52
>
>I've learned that regardless of your relationship with your parents, you
miss
>them terribly after they die. Age 53
>
>I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as making a life.
Age
>58
>
>I've learned that if you want to do something positive for your children,
try
>to improve your marriage. Age 61
>
>I've learned that life sometimes gives you a second chance. Age 62
>
>I've learned that you shouldn't go through life with a catchers mitt on both
>hands. You need to be able to throw something back. Age 64
>
>I've learned that if you pursue happiness, it will elude you. But if you
>focus on your family, the needs of others, your work, meeting new people,
and doing
>the very best you can, happiness will find you. Age 65
>
>I've learned that whenever I decide something with kindness, I usually make
>the right decision. Age 66
>
>I've learned that everyone can use a prayer. Age 72
>
>I've learned that it pays to believe in miracles. And to tell the truth,
I've
>seen several. Age 73
>
>I've learned that even when I have pains, I don't have to be one. Age 82
>
>I've learned that every day you should reach out and touch someone. People
>love that human touch-holding hands, a warm hug, or just a friendly pat on
>the back. Age 85
>
>I've learned that I still have a lot to learn. Age 92
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Rockaway
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 12:40 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998041616402400.MAA28664@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice - Your post about your birthday sure brought back memories of my
childhood. We spent summer vacations at Rockaway (or Neskowin) and it was
always such fun. The water was so cold but we still managed to go in it and
once we were numb we could enjoy it! I always remember a Boxer dog I had
after I moved to California. She loved the ocean and spent a lot of time in
it. We took her on a trip to the Oregon coast one time. She went bounding
across the sand and into the water. She got about hip deep and stopped dead
still with the most astonished and horrified.look on her face. She had sure
never been in water that cold in California.
The Oregon Coast is a place of beauty and everyone should have a chance to
see it sometime. We sure don't have anything to compare here. What a perfect
place to spend your special day.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Addenda
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 12:43 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041616434200.MAA28952@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I once saw a definition of chutzpah that said it was a man who could kill
both parents and then throw himself on the mercy of the court because he is
an orphan.
For those that are interested, I went onto the internet for a New Idria
search to see if I could find the book in which we are mentioned, found the
historical society of San Benito county, sent an inquery and received the
following this morning.
Good Morning,
I have the book right here in front of me. The title is;
Quicksilver Country -- California's New Idria Mining District
written by Peter C. Frusetta
In the back of the book it says; "If you would like to order extra copies
of the following books, send your check or money order to:
Peter Frusetta P.O. Box 246 Tres Pinos, CA 95075
1) Beyond the Pinnacles, The History and Folklore of Southern San
Benito County....$17.95 **( I LOVE this book )**
2) Quicksilver Country, California's New Idria Mining District....$17.95
3) Hollister, Hay Capital of the World....(In progress as of 2/1/91)....
please inquire.
So, of course, we are going to be sending a check.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Rockaway
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 12:49 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041616495300.MAA29472@ladder03.news.aol.com>
While I heartily endorse the beauty of the Oregon coast and love to drive up
that way, I would say that the Mendocino Coast of CA compares in beauty and
DANG!!!! that water is cold.
RuthAlice,
It sounds as if you may have had the perfect birthday. Good for you for
taking care of you.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Aol 4.0
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 01:58 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041617585900.NAA05757@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Quick note --- we discovered the problem with Aol 4.0 on our network
machines.
It has nothing directly to do with the TCP/IP connection. However, our
network machines are the only ones that I have equipped with the Microsoft
Internet Explorer 4.0. AOL forgot to tell us silly downloaders that their
preliminary version of AOL 4.0 will not work -- they mean by that it will
destroy your machine under certain conditions -- if your machine is using the
4.0 Explorer. I think AOL has now added a warning label before the download
about
this little problem. Gotta go. I'm helping Tock who is in the backyard trying
to figure out how to dig half a hole. So far we have come close, but no
cigar. I think we'll try smaller fractions and work our way up to half a
hole.
Niko Tesla coiled
for hole-digging action
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: Aol 4.0/Tock
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 02:37 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041618375100.OAA09210@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Warren,
I would like to know if Tock can figure out how much dirt is in a hole 4ft
wide, 6ft long, and 3ft deep. This would certainly make him a candidate for
Canine Mensa, even if he is never able to master that half a hole business.
Juried Show
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Words of Wisdom
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 02:40 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998041618405000.OAA09920@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Marilu
Your Words of Wisdom are sooooo articulate and true! A few really hit the
heart. Like no matter what the relationship with your parents you miss them
when they die!! Oh, yes!
See you in NYC doesn't that sound great!
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Aol 4.0/Tock
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 03:06 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041619064000.PAA12160@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Roe,
Tock tells me that whenever he digs a hole 4ft wide, by 6ft long,
and 3ft deep there is no, zero, nada dirt in it. Tock, as you know, is a very
neat dog, and never leaves dirt where he puts a hole of any size. That's why
he is having such a hard time with this half a hole thing. Holes of every
which size never seem to have dirt in them, and every hole Tock digs of any
conceivable size, our smallest has been a one-thousandth of an inch hole,
is always a whole hole. This hole thing is very depressing.
Niko
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Nominations
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 04:45 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041620454100.QAA21977@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Haven't read any of the messages today (my thoughts and answers will just
have to wait)but wanted to let one and all know that we will begin nominating
TWO books tomorrow for our book club. All nominations should appear only in
the Readers and Reading group folder found at the top of the first menu.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Aol 4.0/Tock
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 05:00 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041621002700.RAA23595@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Tock,
A holistic perfect score is issued to you for your answer to the volume of
dirt in a whole hole. You have hit pay dirt! As such, you have earned and
retain the title of official hole watchdog. I cannot pick a hole in your
argument that insists any hole is a whole hole, and thus is wholly empty, and
as any one with half a brain knows, if you know a better hole than the one
you're in, half or whole, you can go find it, while putting yourself wholly
in jeopardy. After all, the study of holism maintains the theory that the
universe is correctly seen in terms of interacting wholes, not interacting
halves.
Tock, by your astute answer, you are certainly not in a hole and will not
have to eat dirt. Holy Cow! You are one smart dog.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: belated birthday
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 06:20 PM EDT
From: RKCK SYST
Message-id: <1998041622201600.SAA02786@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice,
So sorry to have missed your birthday. Sounds like it was a happy one. I
do wish you many more of them too.
Carolyn K.
"Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of
it." P.J. O'Rourke
Subject: Re: Addenda
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 07:45 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041623450100.TAA13738@ladder03.news.aol.com>
ROE AND WARREN--I don't know about you two! All this hole business just
sounds a little strange, if you ask me, which you didn't. I am one of those
people who see the doughnut instead of the hole, and I always thought that to
do otherwise was nothing short of pessimistic, but then I've always been a
square peg, anyhow!
Cheef--When DH and I were a-courtin' one of our favorite places to hike,
besides the beach, was Pinnacles National Park. Part of it is, I think,
still closed after damage from the winter rains. But our very favorite place
to park the RV and sit a while is on the coast in Oregon. We have a spot
where we can park with a 180 degree view of the most pristine beach on the
coast. We can
watch the little fishing boats, and occasionally we even see a whale spout.
It's absolutely gorgeous. We'll be going back there the end of May.
Re BEETLES--My first teaching job I was hired for was to replace a young man
named Gordon Buford who had written a little book called The Love Bug.
Disney paid him something like $2000 for it and went on to make tons of money
from the movie.
CISSIE--I knew two girls who had anorexia when I was in my teens, and I'm a
long way from my teens now. One I went to high school with. She died age
fourteen from it. We watched her starve herself to death. It was horrible.
I attended her funeral. The other girl was a college student, but I don't
know what happened to her. It's been around for a
while.
LUIGI--Despite your sometimes silliness, you are a true romantic! Your brief
treatise on women and their insides vs their outsides was wonderful!
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 07:51 PM EDT
From: LPainter
Message-id: <1998041623513100.TAA14573@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Good heavens, Cissie. Don't you do anything except read???Astounding number
of books to have been read. I AM impressed.
Louise
Subject: Re: Addenda
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 08:09 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041700090000.UAA17613@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Marilu,
Perhaps you did this intentionally, or perhaps it was a fortuitous accident
of fate that you happened to mention the doughnut, for in referencing the
doughnut hole, you have solved the hole conundrum. Yes, you can have half a
hole, if you eat one half of a doughnut hole which is so popular nowadays,
you have half a hole left; you just can't dig one.
And Warren,
Not that we believe everything you say, but your concluding statement on
Sizes is about the best advice anyone can receive:
<<If you are beautiful inside -- please let your face know about it. And
that's what everyone else will see. >>
Thanks to you both.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re; feeling smug
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 09:55 PM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998041701550400.VAA00307@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I'm at the computer after a full day of work and with two grandbabies in the
house with me, dinner and bath over, I have put them both to sleep in their
sweet little jammies. Humming gently to myself, " bring home the bacon, fry
it in a pan, she'a woman" or something like that.
Our family eats together at least twice a week, spends many evening
together and generally enjoy one another's company but now it looks like
we're going to go on overload as eldest ds and wife have purchased a "new"
old home and sold their present one. One snag...two months between vacating
one and moving into the other. Home again, home again, to grandmother's
house we go with a one year old and two hyper Visula dogs! I'm hoping it
warms up
enough for dh and I to leave them to it and go to our cottage for awhile!
The snow has been falling all day but it won't last.
Lita's rememberences of her Scarlet Fever brought back thoughts I've had
before. How when we were sick, we'd stay in bed, have meals on trays and
doctor visits to the home, of course. Are kids less sick now or are we less
strict about their behavior while sick? A little of each, I imagine....and
antibiotics help. We had antibiotics when I was a girl but my mother's
memories of how to care for a sick child preceded the medicines.
Sue, who has finished Riven Rock and will start something new tonight....or
start the small commissioned watercolor I have due or pace the floor awaiting
the arrival of the first Booknook baby!
Subject: Re: Addenda
Date: Thu, 16 April 1998 10:34 PM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998041702342200.WAA05714@ladder03.news.aol.com>
So if you eat the donut did you eat the hole thing?
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Dar Williams
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 01:20 AM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998041705201200.BAA24348@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Last night, my DH and I went to the Coach House in San Juan Capistrano to
hear one of my very favorite folk singers, Dar Williams. I had never heard
of her until I went online, but I'm a big fan now. I have all three of her
CD's. Her first one is still my favorite. It's called The Honesty Room. I
don't know if any of you have heard of her, but she's an extremely talented
folk singer/songwriter, and she's also very funny and articulate
and puts on a great show! Last night was the first night of her tour.
She'll be going all over the U.S., and if you like folk singers at all,
you'll love her! You can check out her concert tour schedule at Musi-Cal
Search: Dar Williams to see when she'll be in your neck of the woods. She
has a web page at Dar Williams - Welcome to DarWeb!
Barbara (reading A Big Storm Knocked it Over and The Shipping News)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Emotional RollerCoaster
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 01:20 AM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998041705204300.BAA25238@ladder01.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice - I don't know if you remember but my son and his roommate moved in
with us recently - they came to us and said they wanted to save money, so,
since we'd found this nice big house on the water, maybe they could move in.
We said alright, although I don't know exactly why. Now I see that my son,
who has lived with his roommate for 5 years now, is tired. Glenn has
everything wrong with him and Ed's been carrying it alone for years now.
It's easier with three of us. Even now Glenn is out of work because of bad
health - we only anticipate that for him in the future because his strength
is so limited. He's had two kidney transplants, his back is bad, his
allergies are terrible, his eyesight is bad, his hearing is bad (and his
mother was murdered when he was 8 with body parts spread all over Simi
Valley) AND
he's a gay Croatian. I don't know what he's supposed to do with such a fate.
Nor anyone. I would hate to think of burdening a husband with such a fate.
But who is to take care of people who can't take care of themselves and will
never be able to take care of themselves? It's a question I'm thinking about
- I have no problem supporting him. He comes from a good family but they are
in denial - they expect him to be normal. His father is always
saying well, I made it on my own and I expect you to, too. Sure. When Ed
found him, he was living alone in a crummy room, sick, but trying to work.
He's so amazingly cheerful. I think I've got the better end of the deal
because I can actually do something about this - not about everyone in the
world but about this I can. You're good to listen to your friend but I know
it's hard.
I have a sister who is beyond help and I don't listen to her anymore because
I can't help her. But I listened for 57 years before I made that decision.
MariLu - I agree with the woman about healing silence. What I love most
about my husband is that he is silent - that's the best. And of course
Warren reminds me of my DH who once told me that he had never met an ugly
woman.
Leslie - lol!
I wrote a great Answer to a Petition today, which began, "Defendants are
fighting a desparate battle to apportion at least 1% of applicant's
stipulated 100% industrial injury to non industrial causes." I love that.
The moment I got that line, the whole Answer fell into place, just like a
good college paper. Off to court tomorrow and we'll see if we win or not.
It's always hard for me to believe I can spout that stuff like a pro.
I'm almost done with Isle of Joy, which I'm enjoying on one level - the
unbelieveable level. It's a smirky book without much character depth (or, if
these are real people, I've simply never had the pleasure of their company).
I'm enjoying the inventiveness of it but I can't recommend it for character
analysis.
Got to go now - DS needs to check his email -
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Belated Happy B'Day, RuthAlice
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 01:27 AM EDT
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Message-id: <1998041705271000.BAA24900@ladder03.news.aol.com>
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There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Book signings
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 01:49 AM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998041705493200.BAA27269@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I used to have a website in My Fav. Places where one could read about authors
and also could see a schedule of where and when they would be doing book
signings. I
lost MVP when my computer crashed and I cannot remember where it was. Does
anyone have this? I would sure appreciate having it again. I think it was a
website and not an AOL thing - but I could be wrong. <g>
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: More Women's Quotes -
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 03:09 AM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998041707091700.DAA00816@ladder03.news.aol.com>
WOMEN'S QUOTES:
"Our struggle today is not to have a female Einstein get appointed as an
assistant professor. It is for a woman schlemiel to get as quickly
promoted as a male schlemiel." - Bella Abzug
"I have yet to hear a man ask for advice on how to combine marriage and
a career." - Gloria Steinem
"Some of us are becoming the men we wanted to marry."- Gloria Steinem
"I think; therefore, I'm single." - Lizz Winstead
"When women are depressed, they either eat or go shopping. Men invade
another country." - Elayne Boosler
"I'm not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes, because I know I'm not
dumb...and I also know that I'm not blonde." - Dolly Parton
"You see a lot of smart guys with dumb women, but you hardly ever see a
smart woman with a dumb guy." - Erica Jong
"I want to have children, but my friends scare me. One of my friends
told me she was in labor for 36 hours. I don't even want to do anything
that feels GOOD for 36 hours." - Rita Rudner
"I figure that if the children are alive when I get home, I've done my
job." - Roseanne
"My husband and I are either going to buy a dog, or have a child. We
can't decide to ruin our carpet, or ruin our lives." - Rita Rudner
"I was on a date recently, and the guy took me horseback riding. That
was kind of fun, until we ran out of quarters." - Susie Loucks
"This guy says, "I'm perfect for you, 'cause I'm a cross between a macho
man and a sensitive man." I said, "Oh, a gay trucker?"" - Judy Tenuta
"I've been on so many blind dates, I should get a free dog." - Wendy Liebman
"Never lend your car to anyone to whom you have given birth." - Erma Bombeck
"I'm not going to vacuum, 'til Sears makes one you can ride on."- Roseanne
"I would love to speak a foreign language, but I can't. So I grew hair
under my arms instead." - Sue Kolinsky
"I base most of my fashion taste on what doesn't itch." - Gilda Radner
"Behind every successful man is a surprised woman." - Maryon Pearson
"Sometimes, I wonder if men and women really suit each other. Perhaps
they should live next door, and just visit now and then." - Katharine
Hepburn
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Trips down memory lane
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 06:22 AM EDT
From: RJER16
Message-id: <1998041710223700.GAA05911@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cheef--I remember Cherry Ames, student nurse,etc. A friend lent me her whole
very own series. It wasn't until years later that I recalled these books and
wondered
if they had any influence on my profession,RN.
There's no such thing as a bad
day. They're all good. Some are a little better than others but they're
all good. Armin V, Eilts
Ruth
Subject: Re: Birthday Logic
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 08:38 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998041712380000.IAA11329@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Louise -- All that is going to change soon as my attention will turn to
gardening books, gardening, and my gardening journal. That is, if this weird
weather improves.
Cissie
Subject: Re: Nominations
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 08:54 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041712544400.IAA13225@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hope nobody minds that I'm posting this here - maybe it will encourage soem
of you to join with us for the Book Nook Book Group.
Below is the schedule for the next nomination period which begins today:
Friday, April 17 & Saturday, April18 - the titles of TWO books may be
nominated and submitted to the Readers and Reading Group folder.
Sunday, April 19 through Tuesday April 21st - the ballot for all nominated
books will appear in this folder. You may begin voting for two titles to be
read for the next period, from Sunday morning through April 21st, Tuesday
evening.
Wedensday, April 22nd- the two titles for our next reading period will be
announced in the Readers and Reading Group folder.
Please submit your nominations only to the Readers and Reading Group folder
and be sure and use a separate message for the titles. Also be sure and
place the word Nominations in the subject line.
Thanks-
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Books for Sale
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 09:27 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041713271500.JAA14391@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I just did a little more investigating of the website which is selling books
at an unbelievably low price. No, I don't think this is a gimmick. I think
its a large group of many retailers who are signing up this way to maximize
shopping by the internet. The website link I left brings you directly to the
book sale aera but there are many, many more opportunities to buy if you
begin at the beginning.
This morning they're advertising Cold Mountain for $9.60. It seems as though
the best sellers aer 60% off and all other boosk are 35% off. For a real
comparison I chose to look up the book Resisitance by Anita Shreve from both
Amazon and shopping.com. This paperback book book from Amazon is selling for
$10.36 there plus $3.95 for shipping and delivery. At shopping.com the same
book is only $8.42 plus $3.50 for shipping and handling. There is
some saving - Amazon charges 95 cents more for each book and shopping only 90
censt which really isn't any big deal. I think the most appreciable
difference is over new hot books. I think, though, like the book clubs, they
may only get some of the big books and not all. I also tried finding some
very new books like the one from Anita Shreve, The Pilot's Wife, and while
Amazon has it listed, Shopping.com doesn't.
I most likely will try the new site once to see how realible they are and
then decide in the future which source to use. Or maybe I'll just stop
buying books!!! But for me that would be like not eating which I'm already
doing so....
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Sizes
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 09:59 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041713590600.JAA17666@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Lita- I must say that your message was most informative. As the mother of a
social x-ray and wife to one too, what can I say. But in their cases, they
never watch what they eat and neither did I. So how come I ballooned and
they didn't?
LOL
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Dar Williams
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 11:00 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041715000900.LAA22459@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara - Ohhh - you're so lucky to have seen and listened to Dar Williams in
person. I first became acquainted with this singer when I heard her do a
duet with Joan Baez on Baez's album Ring em Bells. At the moment I can'r
remember the title of the song - I can only hum it. I also have all of her
CD's - really love the song about the babysitter and growing old. I think
the latter if the one she did with Baez. Williams recently gave a
concert locally but we had theater tickets for that night. This is another
one of my pet peeves- everything I want to do is always scheduled for the
same night. Now Loretta Mckennitt will be at Radio City at the bginning of
May but that night we have a testimonial dinner for a dear friend so....
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: More Dar
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 11:44 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041715440800.LAA25130@ladder03.news.aol.com>
All because of you Barbara, I just had to pull out my Dar Williams CDs to
find out the name of that song - Your Aging Well is the one I referred to
with Joan Baez. Thanks for the websites- they're now in my fave places. How
do you find these places? I sometimes feel like a voyeur - I read them from
you and others and then hang out at these sites. As if I need any more
places to spend time online reading. I sometimes feel as though I
need to take off one day a week and just sit here to keep up.
Nwo I see I only have two of Williams' albums - whats the name fo the third.
Off to lunch and then the library.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Book signings
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 11:44 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041715445000.LAA25185@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I will look for the link - I think it's Book Wire but I'm not quite sure if
it's in my AOL favorite places or book marked on Netscape - will try to
remember to send it to you!
Carol in Marco
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Shakespeare
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 12:21 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041716213800.MAA29309@ladder01.news.aol.com>
For those of you who are interested in Shakespeare or who teach English, I
just found this great site. It has a tremendous amount of information,
including clothing, medicine, laws, etc. and differences between locations.
It's the most comprehensive one I've seen. Enjoy! Virtual Renaissance
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Oh dear -
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 12:36 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041716364700.MAA00661@ladder01.news.aol.com>
What can the matter be - I did a real cleanup of my cache last night, & don't
seem to be able to access the Internet at all from AOL today, while trying to
get that Book Wire address for Carol
Is it me? Or???? I get a browser alert that says: The attempt to load
'http://www.randomhouse.com/' failed.
I get this with every Internet address I try. Any ideas from the computer
gurus out there? Using Big Mac & Aol 3.0
Help appreciated!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Southernism
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 01:04 PM EDT
From: Hernandies
Message-id: <1998041717043600.NAA02964@ladder01.news.aol.com>
All my kinfolk back several generations are from Texas. I learned it this
way:
"Lord willin' and the crick don't rise" (I must have come from illiterate
stock!)
Stephanie
"The universe is not only queerer than we imagine, but queerer than we can
imagine." J.B.S. Haldane
Reading Stalking the Angel by Robert Crais
Subject: Re:
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 01:06 PM EDT
From: Hernandies
Message-id: <1998041717063700.NAA02129@ladder03.news.aol.com>
My DH and I saw "Forever Plaid" in San Diego last July (Maybe still playing
in Old Town). The Ed Sullivan bit was my favorite part! I really enjoyed the
whole show.
Stephanie
"The universe is not only queerer than we imagine, but queerer than we can
imagine." J.B.S. Haldane
Reading Stalking the Angel by Robert Crais
Subject: Re: Oh dear -
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 01:21 PM EDT
From: ShanOD
Message-id: <1998041717214600.NAA03390@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol,
I got through on the first try, but I'd been getting failed messages all
morning. I think it's AOL, if you ask me!
Shannon
Subject: Re: Book signings
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 01:22 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041717220200.NAA04408@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Is this the site you are looking for? Authors on the Highway
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: Dar Williams
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 01:55 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998041717554800.NAA07357@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy, I'll always remember the description someone on AOL gave me when I
asked her what Dar's voice sounded like. She said if Joan Baez and Joni
Mitchell had a love child, she'd sound like Dar! <VBG> Well, I don't know,
but she has a wonderful voice and writes songs that are poetic and tell
stories and I love to listen to her, so it was a big thrill for me to see
her in person. We got to sit very close to the stage. She did the song you
mention that night, You're Aging Well. It's one of my faves too. She ended
the set with another favorite of mine, When I Was a Boy. I like The
Babysitter too, but she didn't do it. Here's the lyrics to the one about
growing old:
You're Aging Well
Why is it that as we grow older and stronger
The road signs point us adrift and make us afraid
Saying "You never can win," "Watch your back," "Where's your husband?"
Oh I don't like the signs that the signmakers made.
So I'm going to steal out with my paint and my brushes
I'll change the directions, I'll hit every street
It's the Tinseltown scandal, the Robin Hood vandal
She goes out and steals the King's English
And in the morning you wake up and the signs point to you
they say "I'm so glad that you finally made it here,"
"You thought nobody cared, but I did, and I could tell,"
And "This is your year," and "It always starts here,"
And oh, "You're aging well."
Well I know a woman with a collection of sticks
She could fight back the hundreds of voices she heard
And she could poke at the greed, she could fend off her need
And with anger she found she could pound every word
But one voice got through, caught her up by surprise
It said, "Don't hold us back, we're the story you tell,"
And no sooner than spoken, a spell had been broken
And the voices before her were trumpets and tympani
Violins, basses and woodwinds and cellos, singing
"We're so glad that you finally made it here
You thought no one cared, but we did, we could tell
And now you'll dance through the days while the orchestra plays
And oh, you're aging well."
Now when I was fifteen, oh I knew it was over
The road to enchantment was not mine to take
Cause lower calf, upper arm should be half what they are
I was breaking the laws that the signmakers made.
And all I could eat was the poisonous apple
And that's not a story I was meant to survive
I was all out of choices, but the woman of voices
She turned round the corner with music around her,
She gave me the language that keeps me alive, she said:
"I'm so glad that you finally made it here
With the things you know now, that only time could tell
Looking back, seeing far, landing right where we are
And oh, you're aging, oh, I'm aging, oh, aren't we aging well?"
Barbara (reading The Shipping News and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: More Dar
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 02:15 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998041718152700.OAA08171@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy, You asked how I find the web places. The fastest way is to use a
search engine (I used to use Alta Vista), but Inference Find! is the very
speediest one. It will come up with a list of links for anything you ask for
in 7 seconds or less! Then, when I click on a link, there are usually other
paths
(links) that look interesting to explore, and so on.....
The name of Dar's third CD is End of the Summer. It's quite a departure from
the first two which are fok music. This one has a few folk songs, but most
of them really rock out. My DH likes it best, but I prefer The Honesty Room
and Mortal City.
I really like Shawn Colvin too, and she was at the Coach House for the four
nights before Dar was there. I would have loved to have seen her too, but I
knew I wouldn't be able to drag my DH out for concerts twice in a week! As
it happens, we already have tix for Riverdance on Sunday anyway!
Since you like Baez, here's another site for you The Joan Baez Web Pages
Barbara (reading The Shipping News and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: boomers
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 04:27 PM EDT
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998041720274800.QAA22190@ladder01.news.aol.com>
this may be old news to some, but if you plug in keyword boomer, you go to a
baby boomer site that is a blast from the past. better still, I have found a
whole bunch of people I grew up with in Jersey City, but lost track of. You
will also probably find old friends there and relive the good old days. I
also learned that you can get videos of ding dong school!
Toby, dreaming of hot summer nights playing russia and hit the stick
Subject: Re: Wrong Words/Gina/Luigi
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 05:17 PM EDT
From: RJER16
Message-id: <1998041721171300.RAA27448@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shauna--Please let me know how you liked The Hobbit. Have it sitting here and
have never wanted
to read it. Just picked it up since my eldest adult son loves the whole
series. He noticed
that I had it right away and keeps trying to urge me to read it. Ruth
There's no such thing as a bad
day. They're all good. Some are a little better than others but they're
all good. Armin V, Eilts
Ruth
Subject: Re: Book signings
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 05:20 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998041721205300.RAA27836@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thank you Carol and Jackie. You are both right, Authors on the Highway is
Bookwire. I sure appreciate having it again. I would hate to miss a signing
nearby of an author I enjoy. I emailed GILJOHN hoping he would be coming out
our way but he tells me, at least at this time, he will be staying east of
the Mississippi.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: boomers
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 05:28 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041721285100.RAA28649@ladder01.news.aol.com>
There's also an area Toby from aol - you can access it through the Interest
or Lifestyles icon from the screen behind the welcome sign when aol signs on.
All sorts of other intersting folders about our age group. I remember
finding an old camp mate this way too.
One of my oldest cousins just signed onto aol and is busy writing to me every
minute. Sure beats long distance phone calls to Manahattan. In the meantime
he is arranging a reunion of his old navy buddies through aol and the web.
I remember hit the stick but what was russia?
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Oh dear -
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 05:42 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041721425100.RAA28916@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol--I had that problem for a little while yesterday on my other screen
name. I kept getting this message that I had to be signed on, and I WAS
signed on. I knew the sites I was trying to get on were okay, because I had
used them earlier. I tried doing what the messages told me--sign off then
back on again, then I restarted--to no avail. Finally I deleted a BCC'd email
message I had gotten, then tried again and voila! I was back on
again. Sometimes I think these things just like to play tricks on us. I
don't know whether it's a software thing, or what.
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: Personalities
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 06:12 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041722121800.SAA03587@ladder01.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice and Booknookers:
Feel free to SKIP this long post. I became intrigued with the literary
characters' temperaments and thought perhaps some of you might like to see
the pairings!
If you are interested in playing around with the
Keirsey Temperament Sorter again,(or already know your type) it is
entertaining to then go to
Mirror of Fiction and find out about some of your favorite characters'
personality types. You might be intrigued or not surprised at all. At the
bottom of this post, I have copied The Idealists and the Rationals (and their
partners) in literature.
Another sublink to famous people and their types right on top of the sorter (
just for interest sake, of course) is The Four Temperaments.
Idealists (NF)
The Tutors
Alyosha Karamazov (INFP), Lize Khokhlakov (ENFJ) in Brothers Karamazov,
by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Miriam Leivers (INFP), Paul Morel (ENFJ) in Sons and Lovers, by D. H.
Lawrence
Connie Chatterly (INFP), Oliver Mellors (ISFP) in Lady Chatterly's Lover
, D.H. Lawrence
The Advocates
Archer Newland (ENFP) , May Welland (ISFJ) in The Age of Innocence, by
Edith Wharton
Marya Alexandrovna (ENFP), Sergey Mikhaylych (INTJ) in Family Happiness,
Leo Tolstoy
Nora Helmer (ENFP), Torvald Helmer (ESTJ) in A Doll House, by Hendrik
Ibsen
The Counselors
Konstantin Levin (INFJ), Kitty Scherbatsky (ESFJ) in Anna Karenina, by
Leo Tolstoy
Jane Eyre(INFJ), Edward Rochester (ENTJ) in Jane Eyre, by Charotte
Bronte
The Teachers
Angel Clare(ENFJ), Tess Durbeyfield (ISFJ) in Tess of d'Ubervilles, by
Thomas Hardy
Paul Morel (ENFJ), Miriam Leivers (INFP), in Sons and Lovers, by D. H.
Lawrence
Margaret Schlegel (ENFJ), Henry Wilcox (ISTJ) in Howard's End, by E.M.
Forster
Lize Khokhlakov (ENFJ), Alyosha Karamazov (INFP) in Brothers Karamazov,
by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Guardians (SJ)
The Protectors
Tony Last (ISFJ), Brenda Last (ESFP) in A Handful of Dust, by Evelyn
Waugh
George Tesman (ISFJ), Hedda Gabler (ISTP) in Hedda Gabler, by Henrik
Ibsen
Tess Durbeyfield (ISFJ), Alec d'Uberville (ESTP) in Tess of d'Ubervilles
, by Thomas Hardy
Tess Durbeyfield (ISFJ), Angel Clare(ENFJ) in Tess of d'Ubervilles, by
Thomas Hardy
May Welland (ISFJ), Archer Newland (ENFP) in The Age of Innocence, by
Edith Wharton
The Providers
George Babbitt (ESFJ), Myra Babbitt(ESFJ) in Babbitt, by Sinclair Lewis
Mrs. Bennet (ESFJ), Mr. Bennet (INTP) in Pride and Prejudice by Jane
Austen
Myra Babbitt(ESFJ), George Babbitt (ESFJ) in Babbitt, by Sinclair Lewis
Kitty Scherbatsky (ESFJ), Konstantin Levin (INFJ) in Anna Karenina, by
Leo Tolstoy
The Inspectors
Sir Peter Teazle (ISTJ), Lady Teazle (ESFP) in The School for Scandal,
Richard Brinsley Sheridan
Rose Sayer (ISTJ), Charlie Allnut (ISTP) in The African Queen, by C.S.
Forester
Gertude Morel (ISTJ), Walter Morel (ESFP) in Sons and Lovers, by D.H.
Lawrence
The Supervisors
Torvald Helmer (ESTJ), Nora Helmer (ENFP) in A Doll House, by Hendrik
Ibsen
Sarah (ESTJ), Reg (ISTP) in The Norman Conquests, by Alan Ayckbourn
Artisans (SP)
The Composers
Nick Adams (ISFP), Majorie (ISFJ) in In Our Time, by Ernest Hemingway
Meursault (ISFP), Marie (ESFJ) in The Stranger, by Albert Camus
Oliver Mellors (ISFP), Connie Chatterly (INFP) in Lady Chatterly's Lover
, D.H. Lawrence
Norman Dewars (ISFP), Ruth Dewars (ENTJ) in The Norman Conquests, by
Alan Ayckbourn
The Promoters
Jay Gatsby (ESTP), Daisy Fay (ESFP) in The Great Gatsby, by F. Scott
Fitzgerald
Alec d'Uberville (ESTP), Tess Durbeyfield (ISFJ) in Tess of d'Ubervilles
, by Thomas Hardy
Becky Sharp (ESTP), Rawdon Crawley (ESFP) in Vanity Fair, by William
Thackeray
The Operators
Gulley Jimson (ISTP), Sara Monday (ESFP) in The Horse's Mouth, by Joyce
Cary
Charlie Allnut (ISTP), Rose Sayer (ISTJ) in The African Queen, by C.S.
Forester
Reg (ISTP), Sarah (ESTJ) in The Norman Conquests, by Alan Ayckbourn
Hedda Gabler (ISTP), George Tesman (ISFJ) in Hedda Gabler, by Henrik
Ibsen
The Performers
Walter Morel (ESFP), Gertude Morel (ISTJ) in Sons and Lovers, by D.H.
Lawrence
Rawdon Crawley (ESFP), Becky Sharp (ESTP) in Vanity Fair, by William
Thackeray
Sally Bowles (ESFP) in Berlin Stories, by Christopher Isherwood
Brett Ashley (ESFP) in The Sun Also Rises, by Ernest Hemingway
Sara Monday (ESFP), Gulley Jimson (ISTP) in The Horse's Mouth, by Joyce
Cary
Brenda Last (ESFP), Tony Last (ISFJ) in A Handful of Dust, by Evelyn
Waugh
Daisy Fay (ESFP), Jay Gatsby (ESTP) in The Great Gatsby, by F. Scott
Fitzgerald
The Rationals (NT)
The Designers
Mr. Bennet (INTP), Mrs. Bennet (ESFJ) in Pride and Prejudice by Jane
Austen
The Masterminds
Henry Higgins (INTJ), Eliza Doolittle (ESFJ), in Pygmalion, by George
Bernard Shaw
Sergey Mikhaylych (INTJ), Marya Alexandrovna (ENFP), in Family Happiness
, by Leo Tolstoy
The Mobilizers
Edward Rochester (ENTJ), Jane Eyre(INFJ) in Jane Eyre, by Charotte
Bronte
Ruth Dewars (ENTJ), Norman Dewars (ISFP) in The Norman Conquests, by
Alan Ayckbourn
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: boomers
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 06:50 PM EDT
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998041722502100.SAA07864@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy,
In my lifetime, only heard of girls from Jersey City playing Russia, boys
never played it all, it was a girl game. Usually two or three girls would
play. The only equipment needed was a pink rubber ball, or a high bouncer, a
wall and a street. The game had around twelve steps to it. On number one,
you threw the ball in the air and caught it. Twosies, you threw it, let it
drop, and then caught it. You did that twice. Threesies, bounce it off a
wall and catch it, three times of course. As the numbers grew higher, the
tricks grew more difficult, with some of them being so hard, that you had to
take several trys. When ever you'd miss, it would be someone elses turn.
When you reached twelvsies, you worked backwards. I have no idea why it was
called Russia, but sixies went like this. Take the ball, and paddle it
between your hands, like ping pong, but no bouncies. As you do this, you
shout R U S S I A spells then you threw the ball up, spun around,
caught the ball befored it dropped, and on the catch you shout Russia. This
seems like a simple game, but kept us occupied on those long summer days and
nights. Of course we also loved dodge ball, which we could play with guys.
This was long ago, when the safe parts of Jersey City where affordable, and
you could play in the street, while adults would sit on stoops or look out
windows, and watch the kids goofing off.
Did anyone else play a game similar to Russia, and have I made anyone
nostalgic for the time when summer lasted forever?
Toby, who thinks if she closes her eyes for just a minute, might open them
and find herself in her yellow bedroom, with her blue princess phone, and she
might hear the sounds of someone shouting.......Toby, come on out, time to
play Russia.
Subject: Re: Personalities
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 07:43 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041723433400.TAA12588@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Eor--Several of the characters for the different personality types were from
Alan Ayckbourne's three-part play, "The Norman Conquests." Are any of you
familiar with this? It is HYSTERICAL. It was on PBS many years ago (Tom
Conti played Norman brilliantly) and was rerun a few years ago. We taped it
and watch it occasionally, stilling ROTF at the same parts. Many of the
lines have crept into our
secret vocabulary. You can watch (or read) any one of the plays
independently but they fit together as a complex puzzle. The three parts are
called "Round and Round the Garden," "The Dining Room" and another whose
name escapes me but it's set in the living room. The action in all three
places takes place simultaneously so that by the third play you know what is
going on at that time in the other two locations.
There are only six actors, Norman and his wife, Ruth; Annie an her rather
dim, veterenarian boyfriend, Tom; and Reg and his wife, Sarah. Norman,
Annie and Reg are siblings. Annie has been taking care of "Mother," who
never appears but is a presence upstairs. Norman and Reg and spouses come
down for the weekend to let Annie get away. Madness ensues. I love this
play! Love it! Adore it! Wait, let me tell you how I really feel....
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Odyssey Online
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 07:53 PM EDT
From: RJER16
Message-id: <1998041723531400.TAA14960@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu--Thanks for the interlink. I put it in my Favorite Places. So much
there that
I will have to return for more. Ruth
Subject: Re: More Dar
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 07:55 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041723555000.TAA13968@ladder03.news.aol.com>
BARBARAK--You said <<The fastest way is to use a search engine (I used to use
Alta Vista), but Inference Find! is the very speediest one.>>I also like
this one best most of the time. One thing I like about it is it categorizes
the answers, eg., commercial, educational
sites, etc. It makes it easier. I seldom use Yahoo any more, because it's
such a jumble. BTW I love the poetry of the lyrics you shared.
ROE--You used one of my favorite words, "conundrum." Every time I hear it I
remember a foggy, drizzly morning in northern England in a town named Buxton.
It's a lovely little town with an Edwardian opera house, a huge orangery, and
a hotel with "baths" where Mary, Queen of Scots sometimes stayed. That
morning I was walking through the lovely little park
watching the ducks swimming in formation across the lake when I met an old
gentleman looking as though he came out of the pages of an old novel or movie
with a tweed jacket and hat and a cane, in the middle of a small bridge near
a weir. He doffed his hat to me, and said good morning. I said good
morning. He said, "Would you like to hear a conundrum?" I said yes, please.
He said, "How old do you think I am?" I thought probably eighty, but I
said 75. He smiled and said proudly, "I am 84 years old!" Until this point,
I had said almost nothing, but when I congratulated him on looking so well at
such an advanced age, he said, "Oh! You aren't from around here." I said
no. "Where do you live?" California. "Well, isn't that nice?" he said.
He was such a pleasant old gentleman, and I asked whether I could take his
picture. "Why, yes. I would like that," he said, so I took it. It was
just one of those little things that aren't extraordinary in any way, but
which you remember forever. In a different way from the Chief Yeoman Warder
in the Tower of London after the Ceremony of the Keys when my friends had
taken me. We were in the yeoman warders' pub on the tower grounds and when I
was introduced to him, he said and where are you from? I replied California.
"Well, you can't help that!" he said.
But conundrum--I was so happy I knew what the word meant, or I might never
have had such a pleasant conversation with a wonderful old gentleman.
I'm reading GHOSTS FROM THE NURSERY, TRACING THE ROOTS OF VIOLENCE. Very
good. It says the things those of us who have worked with problem kids have
known for a long time, and says it well. I hope a lot of people read this
book and realize that babies are not the little tabula rasas they've been
assumed to be. It's really chilling to know that by the time a child reaches
kindergarten, it may be too late to change anything in his social
makeup. Food for thought.
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: boomers
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 08:26 PM EDT
From: CATZERS
Message-id: <1998041800264100.UAA17431@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<Did anyone else play a game similar to Russia, and have I made anyone
nostalgic for the time when summer lasted forever?
Toby, who thinks if she closes her eyes for just a minute, might open them
and find herself in her yellow bedroom, with her blue princess phone, and she
might hear the sounds of someone shouting.......Toby, come on out, time to
play Russia.>>
In a very small town in northern VA in the 50's we played a similar game
called "Spanish Seven". As you recalled, you just needed a good, smallish
rubber ball (color up for grabs), a wall and some dexterity. It was played
in steps of increasing difficulty in which you threw, bounced or tossed the
ball to achieve the "round".
Other very popular games from my childhood were jacks, marbles, pick-up
sticks, Chinese checkers, Carrom, tag ("chase around the block" was our
favorite version and I recall one hilarious session when a neighborhood kid
accidentally fell into an open outhouse pit!), one-two-three redlight,
duck-duck-goose, jump rope (never could do double dutch, dangit), squirrel in
a cage, dodge ball and red rover.
A favorite pastime of mine, living right across the street from the firehall,
was watching and listening to the town band which practiced in the bays when
weather was bad and marched up and down the back street in front of the
firehall in good weather. My ex-FIL always called them the "Thump and
Stumble Corps"--a rather appropriate description as they would kind of remind
you of a better version of the Mayberry town band, if you've ever seen that
episode where they want to go to the state convention and the mayor won't let
them 'cause they're so awful!
Oh, how I wish I could go back for just one day to that little town and be a
kid again. I didn't know what I had till it was gone.
CATZERS (my apologies, Toby...), who thinks if she closes her eyes for just a
minute, might open them and find herself at the antebellum home of her
childhood, perhaps in the kitchen with her wonderful Grandmother who would be
fixin' dinner on the coal stove. There's plenty, y'all, so help yourself to
cube steak, mashed potatoes and gravy, homemade applesauce, green beans,
Parkerhouse rolls, coconut cake and good, hot coffee!
Subject: Memories
Date: Fri, 17 April 1998 11:02 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041803020100.XAA07696@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Judi-The Norman Conquests was one of my all time favorite shows ever. The
concept of the play was brilliant, having the viewer privy to three separate
conversations/settings all happening on a single weekend. What convoluted
twists and turns, and the acting was wonderful. Of course, Tom Conti helped
make it even more special. When in London, we saw the play Whose Life Is It
Anyway? starring Conti, a most versatile actor who
could perform comedy and tragedy with equal ease. When he came to the US his
roles seemed to fizzle for he wasn't given anything impressive to suit his
talents. In The Conquests, I also loved the woman who played the unmarried
sister who was being pursued by Norman. By the way, did you ever see
Glittering Prizes , another PBS-BBC series which had Conti in a starring
role as one of a group of literary types in Oxford or Cambridge.
Ruth-I know you asked Shauna's opinion about The Hobbit, but I'll add my
couple of cents anyway. Listen to your son. Read it! It was recommended to me
by one of my favorite 5th grade students, and I became hooked. I also read
the whole Lord of the Ring series and became a Tolkein groupie.
Another wonderful hyperlink-For any newbies who aren't aware of our own
RuthAlice's web site, The Useful Page Directory which has helped me many
times to locate the right search engine. If this isn't in your Fav. Place, do
put it there and check it out. Knowing RuthAlice, you should have an idea of
how thorough it is.
Toby-Well, we never called the game Russia, but in the Bronx, way back in the
forties we also played that game. I have no idea what it was called, but play
it we did. We also played Potsie (hopscotch to most of you non-Bronxites),
Ringelevio (com'on Warren you must have played that), stoop ball (which
required a set of steps or stoop on which to bounce the Spalding . I also
played Hide and Go seek when I was in the second grade and, one quiet
summer evening, collected my very first kiss from Arthur,an older man (in
third grade) as we hid in the bushes. I also recall one Monopoly summer when
I was in 7th or 8th grade. We played so much Monopoly every day that summer
that I used to dream about it at night. Ah, yes, I remember it well!
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Memories
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 12:15 AM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041804155200.AAA13223@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Toby,
We called that game (Russia) Seven-up and only had to complete seven rounds
of incremental difficulty, but the winner earned the privilege of changing
the rules for the next game. As twilight continued forever, we would then
play Swing the Statue. Whoever was "It" swung the other kids around and
around, and the person being hurled around was let go and had to stay in the
position in which he or she landed. Whoever stayed in the most accurate
uncomfortable position gained the swinger position of the next game. Red
Rover Red Rover was another favorite. Our favorite game was King on the
Mountain, rather violent really. We found a mound of dirt somewhere and
pushed and shoved off challengers who tried to climb on our mountain. Of
course we loved that game. We disemboweled fireflies and bedecked ourselves
with their lights for elegant jewelry, rings and bracelets. When everyone
was
exhausted, my Dad would have us all pile into the 1949 Pontiac and take us to
Guilford Dairy where five or six of us would order double dip ice cream
cones, and he would have enough change left over from a dollar to sneak an
ice cream soda made with chocolate ice cream home to our Mother, who had made
sure there were clean starched sheets on the beds and all the windows were
open, to let in the faintest breeze. After evening baths, we would lie down
and try not to sleep yet, looking through the windows at the unmaimed
fireflies and listening to the cicadas and crickets, and those wondrous other
noisy inhabitors of the night.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Memories
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 12:53 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998041804530500.AAA17088@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hide and Go Seek, with a huge number of neighborhood children, Kick the Can,
Mother May I and my favorite, Sardines, where the person who is it goes and
hides and the others join him in the hiding spot when they find him.
Sue in Mi
Subject: What a Place
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 01:30 AM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041805302400.BAA19124@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I am so excited about this wonderful place I found on the internet. I just
KNOW this group will LOVE it! AlphaSearch - Gateway to the "Academic" Web
It's a specific type of search engine (academic) You can browse by
discipline or serach in a couple of ways. I've had so much fun with it! And
found some wonderful websites I had not visited before. An example:
American Authors on the Web This one goes way back in time. You can find
most anyone whose classic works you love here. There is a Maek Twain site,
for instance, that has numerous links to Mark Twain related sites.
I guarantee you can spend HOURS here (so do like I do and set your timer to
control yourself <VBG>).
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Childhood games
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 08:23 AM EDT
From: E1 BOZ
Message-id: <1998041812231400.IAA06274@ladder01.news.aol.com>
dodge ball!!!!!
Can't post more now.Going to meet Jayne and Dixie! Yay!!!!!
Carole #1 In Upstate NY, currently reading "Evening Class, by Maeve Binchy."
"If you are not afraid to face the music, you may one day lead the band"...
Subject: Re: Childhood games
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 09:30 AM EDT
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998041813305900.JAA10408@ladder01.news.aol.com>
There was another cherished game, but darned if I can remember the name of
it. We drew what looked like a hopscotch grid, but the squares didn't have
numbers in them. Instead, there were phrases, like girls names, fruits,
vegetables, etc. You rolled a ball into a square, and you had to go in
order, which meant you ran and stopped the ball. In the first square you'd
have to do one things, with the numbers going up, so by square 16,
which might be the last, you'd have to say 16 states. To make it difficult,
there was a line up the middle of the grid, eight squares on one side, eight
on the other, so you'd have to roll the ball in a long curve to go to right
side, very, very hard. Anyone else play this, and is anyone else feeling
sentimental. Also, sure you've noticed that no one plays these games
anymore. :(
Subject: This and That
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 09:36 AM EDT
From: NVLehman
Message-id: <1998041813365900.JAA10807@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy-- Yes, Yiddish is known for its marvelous curses and putdowns but also
for tender and loving lullabies.
Well, I MAY be out of my reading rut. Read Memoirs of a Geisha in 2 days and
loved it. Maybe ai just dfesperately needed to be transported to a different
time and place this one being too crowded with head lice and tax forms.
Slept well last night for the first time in a couple of weeks.
Reading The Alleluia Files by Sharon Shinn, just started.
Picked a place for Jonathan's Bar Mitzvah, and am feeling very relieved to
have found a place that my DH is happy with.
Happy Birthday to all the recent celebrants.
Looking forward to seeing everyone in NY on the 27th. Have a good day, Nina
Subject: Life Before Air-Conditioning
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 10:09 AM EDT
From: KarenLLS
Message-id: <1998041814091400.KAA11998@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I was born in 1953 and like most folks in my little town, we didn't have A-C.
Though I don't miss the discomfort, I do miss the connection between
neighbors that A-C has erased. During the evenings it was often cooler
outside than inside with the fan in your face, so many people would sit on
their porches with their kids playing under the streetlights. The adults
would
visit each others' porches and we kids would play many of those games
mentioned. A grocery store, owned by one family, was across the street and
we would buy things there almost everyday. Everyone knew everyone else's
names & family info.
It's hard to find this same sense of community, esp. with the AC factor. I
think that's why I've always avoided subdivisions and went for the old
neighborhoods. When I moved downtown here in 1989 it was because I missed
the neighborhood community feel. Even though I was a single female & a
renter to boot, within weeks I knew several of my neighbors & their families,
could walk to a gas station/convenience store (one year awarded
the"friendliest gas station in the U.S." by Rand McNally, I think), and could
bike to the grocery store and the bank. When I married in 1996, my husband
had bought a house down the street so today I know many of the neighbors,
their kids, their dogs & cats. We swap extra plants, neighborhood watch
info, etc. Every year we have our annual street party.
Not saying that subdivisions don't have their good points! Many are very
friendly and community-minded, and are insulated from some unpleasant
elements we sometimes encounter. Our area has some transitional
neighborhoods nearby and often the disturbing elements (gunshots) can filter
over here. And we do have some unusual characters wander through, all
harmless, but very different. And the boomboxes----don't get me started!
But Iwouldn't trade it for anything. I can hear church bells, train
whistles, fog horns, children playing & laughing, the sounds of parents
calling their children home for dinner. It reminds me so much of my
childhood it is worth it. During the summer I just need to remind myself to
poke my head out of my air-conditioned house to check on my neighbors or take
a walk.
Karen, coming out of lurkdom for a moment
In the essentials, unity. In the non-essentials, liberty. In all things,
charity. Old Moravian quote
Subject: Re: More Dar
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 10:15 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041814150800.KAA12461@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu- you wrote <<But conundrum--I was so happy I knew what the word
meant, or I might never have had such a pleasant conversation with a
wonderful old gentleman.>>
If I remember correctly this was also the title of a book by Jan Morris who
was once John Morris.
Toby and Catzers - I don't remember Russia but I do remember playing King
against the city buildings - it was sort of an elongated game of handball
Sue - remember that great Twilight Zone episode called Kick the Can among the
residents of the Sunnybrook Nursing Home. I think that was the name of it.
How about duck, duck goose? The kids in school always ask to play Seven Up
but its different than the description here. Seven students are selected and
the others close their eys at their desks - then these seven tap somebody and
the seated students have to figure out who it was. I have never seen why
they enjoy playing this game. Also one teacher plays silent ball where you
can't make a peep but throw the ball from student to another.
Nina- mazel tov on removing the headlice, finishing the taxes, getting out of
the reading rut and selelctin a place for Jonathan's Bar Mitzvah. What are
you planning on doing this week? Can't wait to see you and all the others.
Would you believe we're now up to 15.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: gee thanks, Toby
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 11:11 AM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998041815110400.LAA18584@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Great Toby. This is all I need. I had never been to that Boomer site. I
just briefly peeked. Well, there goes about another hour a day. There are
over a thousand posts in one teeny slot called "Far Rockaway in the fifties."
The non-RuthAlice Rockaways, near and Far, are in Queens, NYC. Fortunately
Niko Tesla, who has long theorized that there is a hidden, unused day between
Weds. and Thurs., which he alternatively
calls Dittelstag and TeslaDay, has finally figured out how to get the whole
collective into that unused time and, thus, another free 24 hours every week
for each of us. Great job, Niko - so the lukewarm fusion didn't work out. It
happens.
Toby - Russia. The girls played this a lot in Queens in the
mid-fifities. It was not called Russia, but I do not remember what it was
called. The game we occassionally called Russia was ususally called I Declare
War. That also used a chalked circle with pizza pie sections. This game,
unlike the one you mention, was not played exclusively by the girls --
although a typical game had three girls for every guy. I did not much care
for the slow,repetitive activity of this game, but somehow decided that this
was actually a pretty good game to play anyhow. You would write the name of a
country in each section, and bounce the ball off some country. "I declare war
on ......." -- whoever. The person whose country got hit with the ball had to
catch it.
Jan, you bet we played Ringelevio - a lot -- as well as a local game
derived from it called One Foot Off.
Monopoly was also a big favorite inside or outside. The biggest street games
were ringelevio, hide n seek, johnny-on-the-pony (called Buck, Buck elsewhere
in NYC) stoop ball, box ball, punch ball, slap ball, stick ball, (yes, my
corner of the world loved games with spaldeens and pensie pinkies) and hop
scotch, jump rope - which only the girls played. Late in the fifities, around
when I had lost most interest in the street games, the kids invented agame
that took over a good part of Queens for several years - Scully or Skully.
You chalked a rectangle with all sort of zones within it, and would use
bottle caps filled with candle wax like hockey pucks that you would shoot by
flipping your index finger. It was like a combination of marbles and
shuffleboard. Not a bad game, but I have no idea why it got so popular or why
it totally dissappeared.
As for closing your eyes and getting back to those days, yes - it sure
is easy probably for most of us.
However, it is not a totally satisfying experience which is why Niko -- you
listening Tesla? forget that fusion junk -- has high on his to--do list (we
hope) a more enjoyable and real way to do this. We have had some preliminary
discussions with American Express about forming a joint venture called
American Express -- Time Travel Tours with Niko. The concept is terrific, but
we cannot go much further with this until Niko stops daydreaming andfooling
around and gets down to some serious technical work figuring out a way to do
this cost-efficiently. No, Niko, we are very happy and apprecitive for
Dittelstag, excuse me - TeslaDay. You did a great job there - very useful.
But now it is time to move on -- to move back in time.
Would be a nice vacation. :) H.G.Wells
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: gee thanks, Toby
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 11:30 AM EDT
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998041815304600.LAA20322@ladder01.news.aol.com>
lolololol you wouldn't believe how my online time has grown this week,
but believe me, it's worth it. Discovering part of your past is definitely
one of the joys of having a past to look back at. (that's either a really
profound statement, or mindless, depending on your point of view!)
Subject: My new philosophy
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 01:08 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041817085700.NAA29203@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day.
Tomorrow isn't looking good either.
I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem.
Young at Heart. Slightly Older in Other Places.
We have strange and wonderful relationship. You're strange and I'm
wonderful.
Indecision is the key to flexibility.
Never put off until tomorrow what you can avoid doing altogether.
My heart's in the right place. I know, 'cuz I hid it there. Carrie
Fisher
I used to be Snow White, but I drifted. -- Mae West
If swimming is so good for your figure, how do you explain whales?
Am I getting smart with you? ....How would you know?
Everyone has a right to be stupid. Some just abuse the privilege.
All I ask is that you treat me no differently than you would the
Queen.
Q: How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: How many can you afford?
On the keyboard of life, always keep one finger on the escape key.
You're slower than a herd of turtles stampeding through peanut butter.
I don't suffer from insanity. I'm a carrier.
Motherhood: Another reason why we need God's constant help.
Never moon a werewolf.
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
Honk if you love peace and quiet.
Eat one live toad the first thing in the morning and nothing worse
will happen to you the rest of the day.
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Book Stuff
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 03:54 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998041819544300.PAA14241@ladder03.news.aol.com>
The Short History of a Prince by Jane Hamilton: I got on the list at the
library before this book was even in circulation and got it immediately. Jane
Hamilton has batted 1000 in my opinion with each of her books holding my
fascination for different reasons. I don't think you can pigeon-hole either
her style or her subject matter.
What I found interesting about this story was the degree to which I connected
with the gay male protagonist. His angst is not particularly about being gay.
I mean, I guess that's a part of it, but his angst is really what all of our
angst is about...family relationships, finding a connection with someone, job
satisfaction, feeling alienated as a teenager. The bouncing back and forth in
time did not bother me. The side stories about other lesser
characters were nicely woven in with the main stories. As usual, Jane
Hamilton writes with an easy-to-read, graceful, honest style that keeps you
with her from beginning to end.
The Sweet Hereafter by Russell Banks: This has been on my TBR list for a
while based on BN recommendations but I hesitated because I utterly hated,
actually detested, The Rule of the Bone also by Banks and also recommended
herein. But then there was a lot of good press for the movie and I figured I
would want to see that on video, so I got on the list at the library. I was
very happy that I read it. Couldn't have possibly been more different
from the Rule of the Bone.
The story is told from the perspective of various people who are involved in
one capacity or another with the horrifying crash of a school bus that kills
a number of children from a small town in Northern NY...a fictional town
close to Lake Placid. Having lived in Utica, Canton and Lake George, NY, I'm
pretty familiar with this area. Banks wrote about the beauty of this area,
but also the isolation and the dismal prospects for many of the people who
inhabit the area. Although the subject is unthinkable, and as a parent it
makes me dizzy just to think about it, Banks tells the story in such a way as
to make the reader look at every aspect of the tragedy...without being
incredibly maudlin.
It makes me want to seek out some other Banks books...although, not willing
to give the Rule of the Bone another try...to see some other ways that he
uses his talent.
What to start next? Here are my choices:
Hard Laughter by Anne Lamott
The Cider House Rules by John Irving
The Perfect Story (can't remember the author)
Cast your votes now! I'll be checking in and choosing a book later this
evening!
Also, rented Chasing Amy last night. Ben Affleck is pretty cute...and also
pretty talented. Matt Damon has a small role...I wouldn't have noticed it was
him except I noticed him on the credits and rewound to see him. The story is
not for the feint of heart in terms of sexuality...pretty frank discussions
of various types of sexuality. The premise is that Holden (Affleck) falls in
love with Alyssa who is a lesbian. (I know...you're saying who
is Amy? it is revealed in the movie). The plot that ensues explores issues of
sexuality, relationships, love, friendship and our judgments of others.
Diane in S. Florida
Reading (INSERT TITLE HERE)
Subject: Re: Book Stuff
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 04:30 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998041820305500.QAA17733@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Diane- both Mich and I really enjoyed Chasing Amy although Bruce left the
room after half an hour. I also found it very interesting and will be
curious to see what Afleeck does in the future.
While at the drugstore today, I picked up one of those advertising brochures
which mentioned new books that will be published in the next few months. Get
set we all have plenty of reading chocie to look forward to like:
THE MOST WANTED BY JACQUELYN MITCHARD - MAY HARDCOVER
Fourteen year old Arly Mowbray secretly marries Dillon Legrande, an outlaw.
What happens to them is legendary. Dillon breaks out of prison, but is it to
claim his wife and their baby daughter to destroy them? His love will put
them into nearly unthinkable danger - danger Arley will find too compelling
to ignore and too seductive to flee.
Doesn't this one sound like a real uplifting story? We'll just have to find
out, won't we?
LOW COUNTRY BY ANNE RIVERS SIDDONS - JUNE/JULY
Caroline Aubrey Gentry has everything her Southern heritage promised. When
she learns that her wealthy husband plans to build a resort that will require
the devestation of of a band of wild ponies, Caroline must confront the life
she has been leading and reach deep within herself to save this special place
out of her past, and ultimately, make a meaningful life.
Do I hear Horse Whisperer meets the Caped Crusader?
ON THE OCCASION OF MY LAST AFTERNOON BT KAYE GIBBONS
Emma Garnett loved the Old South but hated the way it reduced people to
chattel. After the Civil War, Emma attempts to reconcile herself to its
trali of death and devestation by moving North, where, she believes her
answers lie. It takes twenty year, but near the end of her life she finds
peace. The miracle of her story is in her her heart's transformation.
Sounds awfully good.
Also a new title by Steve Martini, Danielle Steel, Patricia Cornwall and
Frank McCourt's brother Malachy McCourt titled A Monk Swimming.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: What a Place
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 04:50 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998041820505900.QAA20900@ladder01.news.aol.com>
JACKIE--Thanks for the search engine. I checked out the English resources,
which is what I am most interested in, and while I have quite a few of them,
there were others I didn't have. The Native American Authors site is
excellent.
Here's a new one for you, too, which I found in my travels on the net today.
I haven't had time to thoroughly check it out, but it had resources other
sites didn't have. I was trying to find an obscure Russian author, and it
was the only site which had anything at all. Thunderstone Home Page
ROE--Would you believe I got a concussion playing Red Rover when I was in my
teens--much too old to be playing such a thing, but you know how teenagers
are! The girl whose hand I was holding when someone came at us and I did not
let go when the opponent burst through, we were flung hard to the ground, and
in one of those freak accidents crashed heads
together. The other girls were not hurt, but I was out like a light for a
couple minutes. That was the end of Red Rover for me! <G> And don't you
love the sound of cicadas? It's like a lullaby.
Did anyone play Alley over?
Well, it's off for me to Santa Cruz. My two little step-granddaughters are
being baptized tonight in the newly restored mission church. I'll spend the
night, then go down to Monterey for the book festival there, see Jane Smiley
and Andrew Vachss.
have a great weekend, everyone!
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: childhood games
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 05:17 PM EDT
From: RKCK SYST
Message-id: <1998041821175700.RAA22331@ladder03.news.aol.com>
How about capture the flag, darebase, and peggity (this game is very
similar to cricket, though I didn't know that 'til recently when I learned
what cricket was all about)? Fun . . .
Carolyn K. (reading None to Accompany Me by Nadine Gordimer)
"Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of
it." P.J. O'Rourke
Subject: Re: boomers
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 05:32 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041821324800.RAA23822@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Welllllll - our game involved an India rubber ball (a status thing, you know
- had to be INDIA rubber & white) - you threw it up against the side of a
brick building (your own house if you didn't want the neighbours breathing
heavily) - & called out steps - Ordinary - just catch the ball; Moving - not
allowed to move feet; Laughing - not allowed to laugh while everyone tried to
crack you up; Talking - no talking; One hand - catch with one ;
The other hand - catch with other; One foot - stand on one; The other foot -
stand on other - & oin it went for abotu 10 other moves until you got to
American Jump & away she goes - which meant you had to throw the ball up &
turn around before catching it off the wall.
Ahhh - nostalgia - Spring, the first day you took off your coat (not where
your Mother saw you, however) - the smell of freshly cut grass, mud, & the
signs of maple keys & buds all over the place - the flowering almond &
forsythia popping, along with mock orange blossoms, tulips, daffydills,
crocus - must be Canada!
After all, it was 90º here today!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: News from Shauna?
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 05:39 PM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998041821394200.RAA25680@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Last Wed. night in Fredonia chat, it was reported that Shauna was having
contractions. Has anybody heard anything? Have I missed something?
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Re: childhood games
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 05:42 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041821425400.RAA24763@ladder03.news.aol.com>
One we have a hard time recalling, was called Chinese Wrestling - or
something like that. The object was to fold your arms across you chest, &
hop on one foot - & try to knock your opponent off balance. You could only
contact him/her across your folded arms. I remember many silly recesses in
the schoolyard doing this.
All these others - Ringolevio, Easy Over, Red Rover, statues - that's how old
I must be - I did 'em all! Now I'm tired.
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Saturday Nooze
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 05:53 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041821531300.RAA27003@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Only 90º here today - don't bother to pity us, it is absolutely gorgeous.
I finished reading PERSIAN PICKLE CLUB by Sandra Dallas. For most of it, I
wondered if I were simply too jaded to get what all the excitement was over
this book - & THEN! I won't spoil it for anyone who has not read it - what a
perfectly delightful reading experience! If you haven't yet - read it!
I took out Dorothy Allison's CAVEDWELLER from the library yesterday - I had
already read the first chapter online, & took it out against my intuition
which said "don't bother". Maybe I'm wrong? We shall see - has anyone
finished it yet?
I am in my "what shall I pack for NY" mode. I never know whether to bring a
carry on or a steamer trunk - & have to remind myself constantly that I am
staying within this continent, I can drink the water, & if I run out of
anything, they DO have a few stores in NY. LOL However, laundry does not
fit into my agenda that week.
Before I go anywhere for a week, I work backwards - knowing the day before is
devoted to packing, cooking a chicken and a roast for the stay-at-home
husband who assures me I will have LOTS to do when I get back. He usually
can't run to greet me at the door because he is stuck to the kitchen floor.
The last time, one of the neighbours, in horror, showed him how to run the
dishwasher. Neither one of them thought to rinse the dishes off first - I
had
dried stuck on rice up the wazoo & back. And I was supposed to smile & say,
"How considerate of you, Honey!" OK - give me an Oscar.
Tomorrow is devoted to shoveling out my office (& hiding it all), doing a
massive load of ironing (& then watching it collect again all week), & seeing
if my "up-North" clothes fit. ha
Off to work,
The Maniac
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: News from Shauna?
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 06:16 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041822164400.SAA28171@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Not that I know of, Leslie! Her husband will call when the baby is born.
She is due next week. Shauna--are you out there? Let us here form you....
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: Book Stuff
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 07:11 PM EDT
From: Spumony2
Message-id: <1998041823110500.TAA04037@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Diane,
Cast my vote for The Cider House Rules, which I loved so much that I read it
twice. I liked it as much as (maybe even more than) A Prayer for Owen Meany.
I'll send you my project, which was not written, but it is going to be
website, when it's published. Thanks again for your help.
Spumony2 / Cathy
Subject: Re: News from Shauna?
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 07:11 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041823115900.TAA05368@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks Jackie, ( Shauna, are you listening?)
I was a wee bit concerned too, Leslie, and then I remembered the part of the
anatomy where my third son chose to lodge and gyrate before he graced us with
his presence, and the two times we went to the hospital with false
contractions during icestorms, and now, whenever I see that dancing baby on
television commercials or Ally MacBeal, I remember what a sense of humor a
third child has in utero. As
a few of you may remember, we can all be grateful that Shauna did not chose
to deliver during the Basketball tournament, for we all had volunteered
services, and like Butterfly McQueen as Prissy in Gone With the Wind admitted
eventually, even though she had volunteered to help Scarlett O'Hara, " I
don't know nothing about birthin' no babies, Miss Shauna", I've just
delivered them into the hands of a competent physician. <G> I cannot wait
to be a
CyberAuntie!
Judi,
Dang! You and Jan know everything I want to know, daggone it! The Norman
Conquests on PBS. I wanna see it! I wanna see it now! I cast a little
pearl out there and you guys already have the appraisal and are intimate with
the cast.
*!#@!*
Marilu,
I loved your elderly Englishman conundrum story( especially the contrast to
the chief Yeoman Warder Dude). What a charming old elegant gent he must have
been. No telling how significant you made his day! I'll just bet he too
told the story, in a very different way. Smiling.
Karen,
Your "life before air conditioning and current commitment to replicate what
is worthwhile" story was so enjoyable to read. Nostalgia is hindsight of
the very best kind, don't you think? There are ways we can preserve what was
so very, very, good from the past, and I think, without out a doubt, the
method is by extending self and caring. Our neighborhood is wonderful, and
although it is a subdivision with codes and lawn services and an
architectural committee ( Blech), the people range in age from 24 to 85, and
everyone is too busy and too genuine to be a Mrs. Crabbits. Not quite a
microcosm, but we look out for each other and socialize over lemonade and
beer and pizza once in a while. Fifty Lots, fifty houses filled with the
same essential family dynamic and urgent concerns of forty years ago, even if
the trappings are a bit different. What nice folks. We are fortunate too.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Book Stuff
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 08:07 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998041900074400.UAA09988@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cathy (Spumony2): Cider House Rules will have to wait. Joann (Quappelle)
invited me to read Hard Laughter with her. I will get to Cider House Rules.
My friend in Vermont who knows John Irving socially is reading her SIGNED
copy of his newest which isn't even in bookstores yet! She says it has her
laughing out loud.
Diane in S. Florida
Reading Hard Laughter
Subject: birthday
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 08:16 PM EDT
From: RJER16
Message-id: <1998041900163300.UAA10881@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice---a little behind but Best Wishes for a Happy Belated Birthday.
Glad you
had a good weekend.
Jackie & Carol--Good to hear that your mother is doing better than they
expected.
She sounds like she makes the most of what life offers. Glad prayers are
working.
Thoughts and prayers continue your way.
Just finished--Indigo Slam(audiobook)
Ruth
Subject: Re: boomers
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 08:25 PM EDT
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998041900250200.UAA13052@ladder01.news.aol.com>
a white india rubber ball, huh? thought they only came in black. You must
have lived in a very ritzy neighborhood, lol.
Subject: Re: Emotional RollerCoaster
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 08:25 PM EDT
From: RJER16
Message-id: <1998041900252800.UAA11873@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice--It sure doesn't take more than a letter about your friend Kathy
to
make me feel grateful and happy in my own life. I am sure she cherishes you
as
a friend who is a good listener.
Ruth
There's no such thing as a bad
day. They're all good. Some are a little better than others but they're
all good. Armin V, Eilts
Ruth
Subject: I survived the Albany Book Nook meeting!!!!!
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 10:09 PM EDT
From: LauraD915
Message-id: <1998041902093400.WAA23357@ladder03.news.aol.com>
You'll all be relieved to hear that no weaponry of any kind was in evidence
today at the first meeting of the Albany, NY area Book Nookers. No axes, no
wood chippers. The only sharp objects wielded were forks (upon food), and
wits (upon topics of conversation). The only shots taken were with cameras.
In attendance were Jayne (YankeeNana), Carole (E1 Boz) and her daughter
Wendy, Carole
(Dixie80), Carol (Yiyi.....don't recall exact screen name - sorry, Carol!),
and I (LauraD915). We met for lunch and proceeded to take over a table for
about 2 and a half hours; we had a wonderful waitress, who thought it was
pretty neat that we were all meeting for the first time. Barnes and Noble
being conveniently located across the street, we descended en masse to do
some damage there. I went home as the rest of the crew headed for Borders
and
then dinner. Who knows what's going on at that hotel as type
this.............
Laura (in upstate NY) - currently reading Pull of the Moon and/or Angela's
Ashes
Subject: Community/newbie??
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 10:17 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998041902173000.WAA25529@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Karen, lovely memories of community and friendliness in your home town. In a
way, our little BookNook is like sitting on the porch on a warm night, and
sharing ideas and thoughts with folks we like. Maybe that's why you feel
comfortable here. (By the way, in what state do you live?)
Shauna-Hope you're doing well. This baby has many, many folks awaiting it's
appearance. and wishing its mama well. It's almost Newbie time!!!!!
Grannie Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Conundrum
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 11:20 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041903203600.XAA03468@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu--Your California/England story reminded me of a similar event. We
were in the Yorkshire Dales, in Thirsk to be exact (James Herriot's town) and
were having dinner at a Chinese restaurant. The Chinese waiter asked where
we were from. I answered, "Los Angeles." Blank stare. Then I tried
California. Nothing. Finally, I said, "Hollywood." His face lit up as he
crowed, "Oh!
Hollywood!"
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Behind, what's new!
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 11:21 PM EDT
From: WRKGRK
Message-id: <1998041903212000.XAA02285@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I am so far behind, like over 500 posts, but want to wish belated Happy
Birthday wishes to Mary Coral, Deb & RuthAlice.
Gina...Glad to hear about the good news with the baby. Take it
easy,,,please.
Magpiefly...Just finished Plum Island & enjoyed it. What did you think?
Pickled okra is terrific in a Bloody Mary...especially if it's spicy!
Diane/Dineer...Good luck with your new venture!
I know I've missed alot & will someday catch up...you all are in my daily
prayers...this board is just so prolific...what can I say...what happened to
multiples?
Recently read & finished Plum Island/DeMille & The Wedding/Dorothy West. We
did the latter for a group discussion. The ending was just too quick. Some
who had seen the TV movie said different emphasis was placed on different
things.
I am now reading Isolated Incident/S. Sloan. It's a good story if the author
would just get to it. Too much fluff added. Anyone else have an opinion? I
want to get her other, Guilt by Association.
Glad to see our Emperor posting. He must be feeling better. I wanted to
send a get well e-mail to him but his mail was blocked.
Take care everyone, I am lurker until I catch up....
Gretchen
I'll pretend I can handle things until I can handle things...Patty Jane's
House of Curl
Subject: Who am I?
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 11:51 PM EDT
From: GBayer5725
Message-id: <1998041903514100.XAA05831@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I'm not Nicky Teflon, or Sooquist, or Flubber. I'll never tell, can you?
Subject: Re: Eor/Nostalgia
Date: Sat, 18 April 1998 11:51 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998041903514500.XAA05839@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Eor--You CAN see "The Norman Conquests"! It's in the video stores in the TV
section (probably). Call around.
Jan--I haven't seen any other Ackybourne plays except "How the Other Half
Loves." Clever and fun but not the tour de force that "Norman" is. BTW, I
think I may have said that Norman, Annie and Reg were the siblings. Right on
the last two. The third one was Ruth, the near-sighted sister who was too
vain to wear her glasses. Reg was played by Richard Briers, one of the eight
British actors getting roles.
Seems like it, doesn't it? Annie was played by Felicity Kendal and Sarah
the martyr was Penelope Keith.
Nostalgia--My parents never knew it but they sent me to camp for two months
so that I could play jacks all summer. It was a pretty loosely structured
camp in the Berkshires so we didn't have to be doing certain things at
specific times except for swimming. This gave us much free time to perfect
our skills and we were good! Rule #1 was that you never played with that
dinky little ball that came
with the jacks; it had to be a pink Spaulding. We would go from onesies up
through tensies and then do the "fancies." I can't remember the names of any
of them but each one of us in my bunk was so good that we could go up and
back without missing. It was so disappointing to come home and find no one
who was as jacks-obsessed as I was. Then the next summer it would start all
over again. Our counselor must have loved all the free time we gave her.
She always knew we'd be sitting on the wood floor calling out the next fancy
we were attempting.
Kelp Update--DH and I went to the beach this afternoon, a gorgeous day. As
we walked there I spied a clump of kelp and strolled on by. Once was enough
for me and one time too many for him.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Sunny's Gone
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 12:15 AM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998041904154500.AAA08565@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I'm really having a hard time today. My DH and I had to take our little
white dog, Sunny, to the vet this morning for the last time. We made the
difficult decision to have him put to sleep. He was only a year old.
Sunny had been sick ever since we brought him home at the age of ten weeks.
At the time, we thought he just had diarrhea and would get over it with
Kaopectate. Then the vet visits began. We took him to three different ones,
tried all kinds of things from special diets and bottled water to all kinds
of pills and diagnostic tests. They couldn't figure out what was wrong until
last August when he had exploratory surgery at the age of six months.
Nothing could be surgically corrected. There was a thickening of the upper
and lower bowel, enlarged lymph nodes, very enlarged gall bladder, etc. They
did multiple biopsies and diagnosed him with a rare disease. The vet put
Sunny on Prednisone to block inflammation and allergic response and said the
prognosis was "guarded."
For a while we thought he was getting better. He had to have a complete
blood count every few weeks, and in January his white blood cells had almost
got down to the normal range. The last one he had showed a WBC as high as it
had been before the surgery. For the last month, he got progressively worse,
vomiting daily. It was so hard to see him go through that every day. It
looked like he had an earthquake in his tummy. He was only twenty pounds,
but of course he thought he was much bigger.
For the past month, he was taking up to six different medications. None of
them seemed to be helping. I know we did what needed doing for his sake, but
it's been awfully lonely today without him. We've been crying off and on all
day. I'll see the empty spot next to my bed where his crate used to be or
the toys he loved and the tears come back. I thought it would help to take
my other dog, Lacey, for a walk but everything reminded me of Sunny. I
think Lacey's been looking for him too, wondering where her best bud is.
Even sitting here at the computer, I keep expecting Sunny to run in and put
his front paws on my lap, wagging his tail, telling me he has to go outside
or needs a cookie or some petting. He could never get enough petting, no
matter how much we gave him, or enough cookies. We took him for his last
walk this morning, and I gave him extra cookies at the vet's while we waited.
I held him until he closed his eyes, but he wouldn't look at me. He had
always looked right into my eyes before. Maybe he knew. I hope not. He
trusted us so much. Who knew twenty pounds of white fluff could leave such
an empty spot in our hearts. He was a fighter. He wanted to make it, but in
the end he just couldn't.
Afterwards, we did some of our favorite things that usually cheer us up. We
drove to the beach and looked at the ocean. We went to the library. We went
to Rogers' Gardens and bought flowers and a little dwarf orange tree to plant
tomorrow in the spot where Sunny ate up the jasmine when we first brought him
home. None of it really worked. Maybe tomorrow it won't hurt quite as much.
Barbara (reading The Shipping News and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 12:35 AM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998041904355400.AAA11810@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara,
I am so very sad! Geez, what a terrible shock. The unexpected and
have-to-do is not an option, but never the less, so painful. I am so sorry.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 02:11 AM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998041906113300.CAA18178@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Barbara, what a sad story. I know how you feel as I have had to do the same
thing more than once but never with a pet so young. You and your DH sure did
everything for Sunny and then some. Even though one knows it is the best, and
really, the only thing to do, it is still so very sad. The vacancy they leave
points out how much these little critters worm their way into our hearts and
lives.
You will be in my thoughts as you go through this hard time.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 08:30 AM EDT
From: WayCool TR
Message-id: <1998041912301000.IAA01172@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Barbara,
Tears were rolling down my face as I read your letter. Pets are so
wonderful, that when they leave the void is enormous. I don't know what else
to say.
Subject: Crossing to Safety
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 10:43 AM EDT
From: Jibs Kid
Message-id: <1998041914431900.KAA10202@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Finished Object Lessons yesterday---an ok read in my opinion--sure thought
One True
Thing was a finer novel--Object Lessons, I think was Quinlan's (sp??) first
book--so
practice makes perfect--IMO.
Started Crossing to Safety---can tell I am going to love this book---had only
heard of it
through BN---thanks, guys.
off to the library to help my daughter research Babe Zaharius (sp??) and her
impact on
female atheletics---
SV
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 10:48 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998041914483200.KAA11906@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara,
I am so sorry.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Memories
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 11:17 AM EDT
From: BRULE31415
Message-id: <1998041915173700.LAA14607@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I lived for a few years in Farmington New Mexcio ages 6-10. It was an oil
boom town back then and every house on our street had atleast 2 kids all in
the same age range, Thoses summer nights were great! Hide andseek, kick the
can, red rover, swing the statue, tag, and games made up as we went along ahh
the good old days!
Becky in Texas
Subject: Re: Life Before Air-Conditioning
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 11:27 AM EDT
From: BRULE31415
Message-id: <1998041915270400.LAA14249@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I agree. When we lived in St.Louis we lived in an older neighborhood where
all the houses had stoops(85-87) and even though we all had AC everyone sat
outside durning the summer and walked up and down the street visiting while
the kids played. We also had a block party every summer .
Becky
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 12:04 PM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998041916041900.MAA19430@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Barbara,
I'm so sorry about your loss of Sunny. With tears in my eyes, I think that
you gave him the best year he could have had, and now he is at peace. You
will be too, eventually, as the pain goes away. God bless.
Carolyn on Long Island
Subject: Re: Life Before Air-Conditioning
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 12:38 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041916382100.MAA23020@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Karen--DH and I still live life without AC. Here in Utah, the temperature
drops dramatically when the sun goes down. I love those summer nights
outside with my dog watching the stars (well, I gaze on the stars while
Shadow sniffs the ground).
But I remember when I was a kid living in Mississippi--hardly anyone had AC
then. We would take trips in the car. I remember waking up on the road with
my face pasted to the plastic car seat, sweat poring off me. Then after I
would sit up, the wind through the open window felt so good!
I still have no AC in my vehicle. My AC is roll the windows down and drive
as fast as I can for as long as I can. My dad calls this "440" (four windows
down and drive at least 40 MPH to stir the air).
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: What a Place
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 12:40 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998041916402700.MAA22023@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu--Thank you so much for the new search engine. I have placed it in my
Favorite Places!
I love searching the Net, don't you?
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Sunday Alone
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 01:10 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998041917101500.NAA26405@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Well, Mom and Dad left for their cruise yesterday and I've got the house and
Jill all to myself! (evil chuckle) Of course, I think Jill's mad at me,
right now. I brought some data entry work home to key from here, and she
seems to feel that, if I'm sitting in one place anyway, I should certainly
let her sit in my lap. Except, it's impossible to concentrate with her
sniffing at the keyboard, fidgeting, standing on the wrist rest . . .
I promised her that as soon as I was done, I'd be all hers for a while.
Well, at least until my friend Cindy gets here--whenever my parents are away,
she comes for dinner, which is fine by me. I like to cook but have a hard
time cooking for just one appetite--I tend to overeat when I'm on my own. I
cook twice as much as I need and then feel obliged to eat as much as
possible! We're going to make (well I'll make, she'll watch) my favorite
German cabbage soup (and no, Jayne, I haven't forgotten I promised you the
recipe). It's cabbage soup with some bacon, tomatoes, and little tiny
meatballs, cooked in beef broth. Yummy. I can't' make it with Mom home
because she's allergic to bacon, so I only ever make it when the parents are
gone--but I can't eat a whole pot by myself (and, frankly, by the fourth day,
I get kind of tired of it!)
Okay. After having done about 5-hours worth of computer data entry for work
this weekend, I'm sick of sitting here . . . so I'm gonna go make up with
Jill. I'll bribe her with a little food . . . she'll forgive any amount of
neglect on a full stomach!
Have a good weekend, everyone!
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 02:00 PM EDT
From: KarenLLS
Message-id: <1998041918004700.OAA02260@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Barbara,
A pet's total acceptance never ceases to amaze me. It doesn't matter what I
look like, in what mood I'm in, or what I've done, my dog never notices. She
just thinks I'm terrific. How can you not love any life form that thinks so
well of you?
Barbara, you sound as if you were speaking of my dog. They both have many of
the same qualities & habits, and I am so sorry. What a strange world we
live in---in the course of a few hours or minutes it can deliver such ecstasy
and, before we can drink it in, proportionate pain.
Karen
In the essentials, unity. In the non-essentials, liberty. In all things,
charity. Old Moravian quote
Subject: Re: boomers
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 03:35 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998041919354200.PAA12865@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Au contraire, ma cherie - strictly blue collar!!! But maybe white India
rubber was all they sent to Canada???
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Wow!!!
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 04:37 PM EDT
From: Ripplins
Message-id: <1998041920372200.QAA19889@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi everyone,
I've been so busy lately that I haven't had time to keep up with all of the
posts. I think I've made it into April but just barely. I've got almost
1000 post to catch up on.
Warren: I hope you are feeling better
Gina: I hope all is well with you and the baby.
Happy belated Birthday to everyone whose had a B-Day in the past while.
Since the middle of March I've been on the go. I had friends in from Canada
for a week and a half, then I took it upon myself to do one heck of a Spring
Cleaning. It took me about a week to do everything. Then I spent a couple
of days with my Grandmother to help her prepare for a big family dinner on
Palm Sunday. Then I helped my mother-in-law prepare for Passover. Between
the two of us it took about 3 days. Then spent the 2 nights of Passoverwith
DH's family and then Easter with my aunt and cousins. This past week I've
been trying to catch up on the posts and actually get some reading done.
March books: The Giant's House by Elizabeth McCracken which I thoroughly
enjoyed and Snow Falling On Cedars which I also enjoyed.
So far the month I've read Dark Debts by Karen Hall (very good) and this
morning I started to re-read To Kill A Mockingbird. This month I've also
been trying to catch up with the Book Review sections from Newsday and The
New York Times and some of the magazines that I get.
I think I'm starting to go through withdrawl because I can't remember the
last time I was in a book store.
I hope everyone is well. Back to catching up!
Bye for now,
Beth on Long Island
Subject: Re: Behind, what's new!
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 06:21 PM EDT
From: Magpiefly
Message-id: <1998041922213800.SAA01146@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Barbara K...It broke my heart to read your message...It is so so sad...Feel
better soon.
Gretchen.. Sorry but I wasn't too thrilled with Plum Island.. I loved all the
Long Island references since I live there.. Did you read THe Gold Coast by
Demille ? I thought that was
a fabulous book. If I didn't know I wouldn't even guess that the same author
wrote both of those books.
Just started reading THE 10th JUSTICE by Brad Meltzer.
Barb from Lk. Ronkonkoma //(º_º)\\
"I was dreaming I was awake,but then I woke up and found meself asleep"
...said Stan Laurel to Oliver Hardy
Subject: Finally Home
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 06:45 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998041922451900.SAA04136@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hi Everyone,
I'm finally home and trying to adjust. I have a terrible cold and my husband
is on a business trip until tuesday. I'm feeling a bit sorry for myself.
480 messages to catch up on! Wow... I'm looking forward to making myself a
steaming pot of tea and reading them all tonight after the kids are asleep.
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 07:20 PM EDT
From: RJER16
Message-id: <1998041923200200.TAA09569@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara--Thoughts are with you in the loss of your Sunny. It sure sounds as
if you
did all you could for the poor little dog. I am sure he felt your love. What
a shame
that it was such a short time that you had with him. Take care. Ruth
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 07:21 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998041923213600.TAA08496@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh Barbara, my heart aches for you and DH at the loss of your beloved Sunny.
(I know if we were to lose our lab Amy, our hearts would want to break too.)
Sunny was lucky to have such loving "parents" for his too-brief life. Please
know that you are in my thoughts and I will pray that your sadness will ease
somewhat in the days to come.
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Re: gee thanks, Toby
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 08:20 PM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042000203900.UAA15736@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Warren -- we also played Scully, though not in Queens but in Brooklyn. The
best bottle caps to use were those with cork inside -- especially from
Mission sodas. Johnny on the Pony was also a big game and nothing was bigger
than punch ball. How good you were depended upon how may sewers you could
punch; meaning how far you could punch the ball based on sewer cap lengths.
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Norman Conquests
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 08:23 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042000234900.UAA17370@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I checked at a video store today but they did not have Norman Conquests.
There was one listed in the book of things on video and there was a Norman
Conquest but it was listed for Adventure/Action so I assume it was the real
one. Anyway they didn't have that one in stock so I could not read the box
but I know from all you have said it sure didn't belong in that category.
I will check another video store one of these days.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Explaining Death
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 08:26 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042000261700.UAA17712@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I had the unpleasant task today of telling my daughter (age 4) that my
husband's best friend (her "Uncle Peter" age 33) had died of cancer. This led
to an incredible number of questions, each answer inevitably leading to
another question that I didn't feel qualified to answer.
I explained that there would be a ceremony, a funeral. She said, "Like when
Princess Diana died." (she had been pretty fascinated by the events around
Princess Diana's death) and I said, yes, something like that. She asked if
she could go and I said that I didn't think so. So she said, "Well, then can
I watch it on t.v.?"
Oh children...they make you laugh even at the saddest times in life.
Diane in S. Florida
Subject: March books and trying to catch up.
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 08:32 PM EDT
From: Gina125
Message-id: <1998042000325500.UAA17334@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Sorry I'm so late posting my books read for March but, the past 5 weeks have
been very very busy. Actually, I will only be posting thru the 21st as after
that I was too busy to write them down.
In order read: MIDNIGHT IN THE GARDEN OF GOOD AND EVIL by John Berendt-- A
PRAYING FOR SLEEP by Jeffrey Deaver-- B. Did not like this as well as I
did THE BONE COLLECTOR
INTENSIVE CARE by Francis Roe, MD. C.
WHITE CROSSES by Larry Watson--B.
WALKING ACROSS EGYPT by Clyde Edgerton--A.
NIGHT OF THE ICE STORM by David Stout--B.
SPEAK, ANGEL by Mary Elsie Robertson--B-.
It has taken me forever to catch up with all the posts. I was offline for 2
weeks because of my vacation and when I returned I had family visiting for a
week so was unable to get online more than 10 minutes at a time, just time to
check e-mails, since I had to return to work also. Oh, what a run-on sentence
that was.
I want to thank all of you who gave me suggestions of things to do and
places to see in San Diego. I printed all the info. and took it with me and
it really came in handy.
My vacation was wonderful!!! It was filled with family and friends.
My mother, my DH and I flew from Houston to Las Vegas where we met friends
and spent a couple of nights at the Sahara Hotel there. Of course, we spent
some time with the slot machines, but we also toured the city since it was my
first time there. As everyone says, it is a lively and remarkable place.
Then, we rented a car and drove thru the desert and mountains to San
Diego. This was on April 1st and the Mojave desert was covered with
snow--unbelievable.
Can you believe that was the first snow I had seen in years? So, of course,
we had to get out and take pictures in it.
San Diego---I have fallen in love with it. Although we spent about a
week there I didn't get to see as much as I wanted to because most of the
time was spent on the Marine Corps Recruit Depot. Well, after all, that is
why we went in the first place-- to see my son graduate from boot camp. I
did enjoy all the activities on the base, especially the graduation ceremony.
Of course, ( she said modestly), my DS looked so handsome in his uniform.
In SD, we were joined by DS's girlfriend and 2 of his buddies from
Houston. Also, my DBIL and his wife and thier grandson. So, the day after
graduation, we all went to the zoo-- a trip that everyone enjoyed. We also
wnet to Old Town and ate at a very good Mexican rest. --Guadalajaras(sp). We
also went to Seaport Village and I visited The bookstore there--Upstart Crow
and Company. Had delicious coffee and cheesecake to die for. I only
was able to buy 1 book before they pulled me away. I bought MIRACLE CURE by
Michael Palmer. Couldn't resist since I liked his others so much. We did a
lot of fun things but, I won't bore you anymore. My DS is back in SD now and
will be there for a month. He doesn't know where he goes from there.
However, if he is able to stay there he can expect to have his mom visiting
as soon as possible.
Belated birthday wishes to Ruth Alice and all who celebrated birthdays
in April.
Gotta go now before I am bumped off again.
Gina in Houston
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even
touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 08:35 PM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042000355700.UAA17724@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Barbara -- I'm so sad about Sunny; especially the part where he wouldn't
look in your eyes. What pain to lose a pet. My thoughts are with you. Glad
though that Sunny had you and your husband to take care of him for the year
of his life.
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Re: Life Before Air-Conditioning
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 08:40 PM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042000403800.UAA19580@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Becky -- We also had stoops where we grew up. Other than sitting outside on
the hot summer nights, they were also great for a game called Off the Point
when you threw the Spalding against the stoop and got 10 points if it hit the
step and 5 points if it hit between the steps. You also had to be able to
catch it on a fly when it came back to you or else no points.
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Re: Finally Home
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 08:45 PM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042000452200.UAA20245@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Gina -- How do you know how many posts you have to catch up with. What do
you hit to tell you how many posts there are. I've often wondered about this
but don't know how to do it.
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: McCarthy
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 08:49 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042000493800.UAA19571@ladder03.news.aol.com>
(Posted in Favorite Fiction...)
Hi all - it's Sunday nite and I'm in Charlotte, NC, until tomorrow evening,
(visiting DS and family), but wanted to check in and say HI. DDIL and I went
to a Mall this afternoon and I headed straight for Walden books. I picked up
Cormac McCarthy's ALL THE PRETTY HORSES, then found THE CROSSING for $2.98,
his 2nd in the Border Trilogy. I seem to remember someone here posting about
McCarthy's wonderful writing... has anyone read either of these? The
subject matter doesn't seem to be my cup o' tea, but I'm OD-ing on thrillers
and mysteries and need a change of pace!
Currently finishing Mary Willis Walker's ZERO AT THE BONE. It is very good!
Sally (AKA Miss Sally in NJ)
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 09:59 PM EDT
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998042001592200.VAA28521@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol.
You are terrific. I knew I could count on you!
It was february 21.
Thanks Alot!!!!
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Re: Dark Shadows
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 10:14 PM EDT
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998042002150000.WAA00858@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I was one of those kids whose mom wouldn't let her watch Dark Shadows.
poo
Ian has a friend who is not allowed to watch Rugrats. Am I missing something?
I watch it with the kids all the time, I don't see anything objectionable
about it. Any views from parents of little ones?
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Re: Words of Wisdom
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 10:42 PM EDT
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998042002422100.WAA05891@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks, MariLu for these wonderful words of wisdom!
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Re: Dark Shadows
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 10:51 PM EDT
From: BRULE31415
Message-id: <1998042002514900.WAA07111@ladder01.news.aol.com>
suzanne
my daughter 10 loves rugrats. Have watched with her lots see nothing to
object too
Becky
Subject: Dogs and horses
Date: Sun, 19 April 1998 11:35 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998042003351900.XAA12477@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jackie-So your dog is also named Shadow. We had a little black cocker spaniel
who was always underfoot, hence the name. What kind of dog is your Shadow?
Barbara-What a heartbreaking post about your little Sunny. The hole that
furry creature left will be around for a long time, but will eventually fill
itself with lovely memories. How lucky that little dog was to have folks who
loved him enough to help stop his pain, even though it meant terrible pain
for them.
Sally-Luigi is a great fan of McCarthy's and I'm sure you'll find that he
loved those books.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 12:26 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042004262000.AAA17847@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Oh, Barbara--I'm crying for you and for Bruce and for Sunny--and for Lacey,
too. I remember you showing me Sunny's picture the first time you and I met.
He was such a sweetie and God knows you did everything you could have for
him. You know you did what was best for him but that doesn't ever remove
that hole in your heart. People who haven't had a pet can't know what a loss
it is. I'm so, so
sorry.
Big hugs from your bud,
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 12:53 AM EDT
From: JaneE2059
Message-id: <1998042004534900.AAA20246@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara--You wrote:
<<I'm really having a hard time today. My DH and I had to take our little
white dog, Sunny, to the vet this morning for the last time. We made the
difficult decision to have him put to sleep. He was only a year old.>>>
{{{Barbara}}} I am SO sorry to hear about your poor puppy, Sunny. What an
unfair thing
to happen! Best Wishes to you and your DH.
JaneE2059
Subject: No. of Posts
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 12:55 AM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042004553500.AAA20381@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy in PA - To see how many posts you have not read, click on List Unread.
When that group of posts comes up open the first one and then look at the top
of the page. It will say "1 of xxx" (or some such wording). When you click on
the second post it will say "2 of xxx' and so on. Thus, you know how many
there are yet to read.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 12:57 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998042004572300.AAA20534@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara...
Just signed on and scanned through the messages. I echo what Judi said. I
remember meeting Sunny when we went to LA to meet the group. I am so, so,
sorry for you and Bruce. What a tough year and what a tough decision. Take
the kind words you have shared with so many others to heart.
Lita
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner, Lady Chatterly's Lover (for my
book group) and listening to Downtown by Anne Rivers Siddons. (And loving
all!)
Subject: Re: Dogs and horses
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 12:59 AM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998042004592200.AAA19458@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<What kind of dog is your Shadow?>> Jan, my Sahdow is part German Shepherd
and part Border Collie. He has the coloring of the Border Collie, so his
name fits him two ways--the black color and he is always behind me or beside
me or in front of me--like a shadow! <VBG>
Currently reading First We Quit Our Jobs by Marilyn J Abraham and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 03:39 AM EDT
From: RKCK SYST
Message-id: <1998042007391700.DAA28037@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh, Barbara --
I'm crying with you. Sunny was so fortunate to have had you to love
and care for him and to make that very difficult decision you had to make.
And it sounds like you were fortunate to have had Sunny, though for such a
pitifully short time. Am so very, very sorry. You, your DH, and Lacey are
in my heart.
Carolyn K.
"Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of
it." P.J. O'Rourke
Subject: Monday - again -
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 08:06 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042012062600.IAA06788@ladder01.news.aol.com>
BARBARA: so sad to lose a friend like Sunny. I am sure the reason he didn't
look at you, was to make it easier for you. Although I am not a pet owner, I
have often participated in the unconditional love a dog shows his best
friend. A little time heals --
GINA: sounds as if you had a great time. Now drink lots of tea & lemon &
cure that cold.
Sad to hear of the death of John Lennon's wife Linda today - she always
seemed to be such a 'steady' person.
Tonight our computer group is having a flea market, where we take all our old
parts & software & sell them - proceeds either to yourself or the club. It
has turned out to be quite a money maker on the past. It is possible to get
old computers for$100 - modems for $2 - 5 - things that are too slow but may
be good for a kid or a senior just starting out with this addiction.
Off to tennis drill -
The Marco Maniac - starting LIGHT OF FALLING STARS
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Monday - again -
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 09:14 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998042013140100.JAA09225@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I wrote a brillant post yestrerday and then , in a blond moment, clicked the
wrong thing and deleted it all!
Barabara, sorry about Sonny, knowing you did the right thing for him doesn't
remove the ache.
I grew up in a neighborhood of porches and kids playing Hide And Go Seek
every night "until the street lights come on" an now live just a block or two
from the same neighborhood and yes, we sit on the porch when it's warm and
chat with neighbors and watch the world. I've been here 20 years and have
seen the kids on the street go from the noisy Hot Wheel stage, to the game
playing age, to the proms and now to weddings and babies. It's a good
thing. :-)
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 10:19 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998042014195400.KAA13466@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Boy, go out of town for 3 days and look at how behind you get! I'll never
catch up.
But quickly, Barbara -- So sad for you about your dog. Hope you pain will
ease soon.
Cissie, trying to catch up
Subject: Mac Question
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 12:25 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042016255800.MAA23862@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Do any of you Mac gurus know what I can do about this problem? Every time I
boot up I get a "Stop Alert" message which says "This is an Apple Guide file
and must be used with the Apple Guide application". I don't know where this
came from, or why, but most importantly I don't know how to get rid of it.
Anyone know?
I called Apple Tech support and they now charge $35 per question for what
used to be free. I wouldn't mind $5 or $10 but $35 is outrageous.
Maybe some of you very bright Apple folks will know what I can do.
Thanks.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: What a Place
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 01:03 PM EDT
From: Gymeni2
Message-id: <1998042017030200.NAA25459@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hello, everyone I am new to this board.
I am currently reading "A Wrinkle in Time"
Carolyn's Secretarial Service
Life is nothing if you are not happy.
Subject: Re: Return With Us Now...
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 01:14 PM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042017140200.NAA27559@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara -- Regarding The Twilight Zone -- I was reading your post about the
words spoken at the beginning of the show and I had remembered them
differently. There wasn't a week that went by that we didn't watch it and to
this day my brothers and I always make reference to these words. I'm
wondering if at some point in time they were changed or if in different parts
of the country, the show started differently. Here's what I remember:
You are entering into another dimension
A dimension not only of sight but of sound
A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of your imagination
Next stop, Twilight Zone
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Re: What a Place
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 01:16 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042017160700.NAA26508@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dear Carolyn:
Welcome to Book Nook People. We are a group that discusses life, books,
animals, friendships, get to -gathers and anything else we might think of on
the spur of a moment.
If you wish to discuss only books go to Favorite Fiction above this subject.
If you wish to get acquainted in our private chat hyperlink to Fredonia Chat
here is the hyperlink: FREDONIA CHAT part 1 (because I have the Word
Fredonia in three places have to call them Part 1,2,3,. But this link will
get your there. We have Wednesday nights 9:00 pm Eastern to whenever and
Saturday night 9:00 Eastern to
whenever. We would love to get to know you. Post often and come chat with
us.
Regards,
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Thank You/Dog Heaven
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 02:34 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042018345700.OAA03609@ladder03.news.aol.com>
A very heartfelt THANK YOU to each of you who posted and and/or sent me a
sympathetic note about Sunny. I really appreciate all your kindness and
support. What a great group of friends you all are. Although it was with
tears that I read them, there were a couple of things that were so beautiful
that I just have to share them.
Karen (Carroms) wrote me an e-mail that said in part "Be assurred that Sunny
knew that he was going and he did not want to disappoint you. Animals are
heroes and do not want to let their owners down, and Sunny had a rough go of
it, wanting to please you." Those words meant a lot to me. I was so afraid
that he thought I was betraying his trust by delivering him to his
executioner.
Thank you so much, Karen, for giving me a better understanding for why he
would not look at my eyes at the end.
I just now went to see who was at my door, and it was someone delivering
flowers. They were with a sympathy card from my vet, Dr. Cohen, and his
staff. He is a very dedicated doctor and compassionate man. Sunny was lucky
that I found him, even though he didn't find a cure. With all his
considerable knowledge and talent, he tried.
My sister sent me a story from a picture book she found after her dog,
Jamaica, died. I cry every time I read it, but I love the images it puts in
my head. I will keep it. I hope it's all true. I love the idea of Sunny
being petted and told what a good dog he is all day long by some little angel
child and finally getting all the biscuits he wants.
Dog Heaven by Cynthia Rylant
When dogs go to Heaven,
they don't need wings
because God knows that dogs love running best.
He gives them fields.
Fields and fields and fields.
When a dog first arrives in Heaven,
he just runs.
Dog Heaven has clear, wide lakes
filled with geese who honk and flap
and tease. The dogs love this.
They run beside the water and bark
and bark and God watches them
from behind a tree and smiles.
There are children, of course.
Angel children.
God knows that dogs love children more than
anything else in the world, so He fills Dog
Heaven with them. There are children
on bikes and children on sleds. There are
children throwing red rubber balls and children
pulling kites through the clouds. The dogs
are there, and the children love them dearly.
And, oh,
the dog biscuits.
Biscuits and biscuits
as far as the eye can see.
God has a sense of humor, so He makes His
biscuits in funny shapes for His dogs. There
are kitty-cat biscuits and squirrel biscuits.
Ice-cream biscuits and ham-sandwich biscuits.
Every angel who passes by
has a biscuit for a dog.
And, of course, all God's dogs
sit when the angels say "sit."
Every dog becomes a good
dog in Dog Heaven.
God turns clouds inside out to make
fluffy beds for the dogs in Dog Heaven,
and when they are tired from running and
barking and eating ham-sandwich biscuits,
the dogs each find a cloud bed for sleeping.
They turn around and around in the cloud...
... until it feels just right,
and then they curl up
and they sleep.
God watches over each one of them
and there are no bad dreams.
Dogs in Dog Heaven
have almost always belonged to somebody
on Earth and, of course,
the dogs rememeber this.
Heaven is full of memories.
So sometimes an angel will walk a dog
back to Earth for a llittle visit and quietly,
invisibly, the dog will sniff about his old
backyard, will investigate the cat next door,
will follow the child to school,
will sit on the front porch and wait for the mail.
When he is satisfied that all is well, the dog
will return to Heaven with the angel.
It is where dogs belong,
near God who made them.
The dogs in Dog Heaven who
had no real homes on Earth
are given one in Heaven.
The homes have yards and porches and there are
couches to lie on and tables to sit under
while angels eat their dinners.
There are special bowls
with the dogs' names on them.
And each dog is petted and reminded
how good he is, all day long.
Dogs in Dog Heaven may stay as long as
they like and this can mean forever.
They will be there when old friends show up.
They will be there at the door.
Angel dogs.
P.S. We went to see Riverdance last night. All that joyous stomping around!
What energy! It was good to get out for awhile and be distracted.
Barbara (reading The Shipping News and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Finally Home
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 03:02 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998042019020700.PAA07368@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<How do you know how many posts you have to catch up with. What do you hit
to tell you how many posts there are. I've often wondered about this but
don't know how to do it.>>
When you open a post you will see at the top a line that says message 1 of
(however many there are)
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Dark Shadows
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 03:06 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998042019060100.PAA07735@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Ian has a friend who is not allowed to watch Rugrats. Am I missing
something? I watch it with the kids all the time, I don't see anything
objectionable about it. Any views from parents of little ones?>>
I haven't found anything to object to in Rugrats! I hate a few other
Nickelodeon shows but that one is fine.
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Thank You/Dog Heaven
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 04:01 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998042020010700.QAA13238@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara--Thank you for sharing Dog Heaven with us! What a beautiful
description! I have printed it off for my files. I shall read it often.
Thank you!
Currently reading The Persian Pickle Club by Sandra Dallas and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Persian Pickle Club
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 04:11 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998042020111000.QAA13188@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I went to the eye doctor this morning and began this wonderful book--and put
aside Alias Grace because the print is fo small I can't make out the words
too well.
I'm really enjoying The Persian Pickle Club! Thanks to all who recommended
it. I took a week off from work to have some "down time" this week. Today
is sunny and bright (OK to look at through the curtains right now until my
eyes get back to normal--what DO they put in those drops and when will this
dilation end?)
This week I plan to putter around the house. I can't believe how attractive
house work looks to me right now! Tomorrow I FINALLY will take advantage of
the Christmas gift my DH gave me--a one hour massage! Since the roads are so
torn up in down in Salt Lake right now, I haven't gotten down there to take
advantage of this most excellent gift. But I figured with a week off I can
go in the early afternoon and come home leisurely before the traffic
mess starts! I have three more to use before June. Perhaps I will use them
all this week ;)
This screen still looks funny to me, so I think I will retire to my new
reading.
Currently reading The Persian Pickle Club by Sandra Dallas and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: What a Place
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 05:01 PM EDT
From: Gymeni2
Message-id: <1998042021014900.RAA19200@ladder03.news.aol.com>
In article <1998041820505900.QAA20900@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
marilu3123@aol.com (MARILU3123) writes:
>Well, it's off for me to Santa Cruz.
Mari Lu, do you live in Santa Cruz, CA, if so, I also reside here, too.
Carolyn's Secretarial Service
Life is nothing if you are not happy.
Subject: Re: Death & Games??/
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 05:05 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998042021054900.RAA19710@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Diane...When my daughters were 4 and 8, my cousin's husband died of alcohol
"poisoning". He left a wife and 2 young children. Questions...why? How?
How could he? And then about alcohol. Three years later and they are still
being asked. When I tried to describe that the body no longer housed him as
we knew him, that his spirit remained in many ways, my daughter asked, "So
does the body go flat". Makes sense...if everything that
makes up this person goes...they are flat!
Judi - Jacks! Now you got my attention. I found anyone and everyone who
could/would play with me, including my brother. My kids...no way...that's a
stupid game. And I was so good at it! Also loved jump rope (which I can
still do through the alphabet twice), Chinese jump rope, tetherball,
dodgeball and kickball. But all these exotic games didn't make it to the
west coast!
Time to go pick up the girls!
Lita
Subject: Re: McCarthy
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 05:15 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998042021152100.RAA22079@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sally -- All the Pretty Horses is one of my all-time favorites. I must warn
you, though, that I've recommended it to several people and not all have
shared my enthusiasm. It's a wonderful, painful coming of age story and
McCarthy is a beautiul writer. I didn't care for the Crossing, though. Hope
you like it.
Cissie
Subject: Re: Book List for Feb.
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 05:23 PM EDT
From: TOBYART
Message-id: <1998042021231600.RAA21863@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Beth
Belated Congratulations on the birth of your nephew...
Benjamin Vincent......
Love the name...of course it couldn"t possibly have anything to do with the
fact that my youngest grandson is Benjamin David....now could it?????
Enjoy your little nephew....
Paula (aka Tobyart)
It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it
and remove all doubt. (author unknown)
Subject: Re: Death & Games??/
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 05:43 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998042021432200.RAA25502@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Also loved jump rope (which I can still do through the alphabet twice),
Chinese jump rope, tetherball, dodgeball and kickball. But all these exotic
games didn't make it to the west coast!>>
Oh Lita, I disagree! We played all of these games in Arizona and Northern
California... Maybe LA was just too cool for them. :)
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Ragtime
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 05:51 PM EDT
From: TOBYART
Message-id: <1998042021513400.RAA26557@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<<<<Ragtime-Today I saw the most wonderful musical I've seen in years. Could
my last favorite musical really have been Chorus Line? >>>>>>>
Jan....so happy to hear that you enjoyed Ragtime....my girlfriend's daughter
is in the cast....unfortunately, I haven't been able to get to the city to
see it yet but I will certainly pass on your praise for the show. My
girlfriend lent me a tape of a tv show about Ragtime that I had missed when
it was on and I have to agree with you that it seems to have both story and
music going for it. (Not to mention the
talented cast....of course).
Paula - Currently reading THE PARTNER by John Grisham and enjoying it in
spite of the lousy reviews........
Paula (aka Tobyart)
It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it
and remove all doubt. (author unknown)
Subject: Re: Death & Games??/
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 05:52 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998042021521300.RAA26643@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Gina...I reread my message and realize maybe I didn't say what I meant to?
Maybe my brains are a little jumbled. We did play jacks, jumprope, etc...but
not Russia and a variety of other games described on the board. Maybe LA was
too cool but I was "born and reared" in San Francisco! 8-)))
Lita
Subject: Re: McCarthy
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 05:53 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042021530200.RAA26746@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Miss Sally,
I absolutely loved The Crossing and posted on it back in December. It is a
dark, haunting and terrible story. It is a beautifully written quest. It
is a no holds barred journey through misery and exhaltation of the human
spirit. It is as simple and as complex as the human spirit.
I just looked up my post and here it is. It must have been a memorable novel
for me, for rarely do I remember diddly squat, even though CRS has been
graciously replaced with the words "fugitive information" (Thanks, someone
,for that term). <G>:
Subject: **The Crossing**
Date: Wed, Dec 31, 1997 10:27 PM
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <19980101022700.VAA21947@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Once in a while a book haunts you, hunts you down, and turns you into a
quivering mass of protoplasm. If my middle son had not given me The
Crossing, by Cormac Macarthy, I would certainly have never read it. After
all, it has a bunch of old bones and skulls on the cover; I thought it was an
ordinary Western. My son is very wise. When one receives a gift from a
Beloved, we use it, regardless of our predilictions and ordinary tastes. He
knew
I would do his gift justice. There are no quotation marks ( warning to all
those who find this absence irritating), there is no levity or humor at all
to break up the intensity, none, there is not a happy ending, and had I not
two years of imperfect Spanish behind me in the very ancient past, I would
have been tempted to put this book down half a dozen times. Instead, I am
absolutely amazed by this novel ( and depressed and sickened), entrapped
by character, time and place. Never have I lost myself so completely in a
foreign world, gasped and cried so hard while reading, and listened so
intently to the characters who say very little. Inference is all. This is
not a review. My legacy from the Christmas Virus from hell is some serious
bronchitis which prohibits my lying down and trying to sleep. I stayed up
night before last in a rigid kitchen chair, appropriate because the material
is so
uncomfortable, reading this novel. I cannot get it out of my mind. It is
Billy's story, but it also belongs to Boyd, the younger brother. If I were
Jan or Marilu, I could adequately relate enough of the tale to appease the
curiosity of inquiring minds, but alas, all I can say is that I was
transported to a timeless and irreverent realm in Mexico, where soot in the
food, generosity, and tragedy are interposed with calculated cruelty,
wonderful
description, and painfully graphic scenes. This is a dark story, but one
which has left its mark on me forever. I will continue to dream about this
book. It is not for everyone, but it was a perfect way to see the old year
out, for me.
Eor
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: I survived the Albany Book Nook meeting!!!!!
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 06:00 PM EDT
From: Dixie80
Message-id: <1998042022004200.SAA26512@ladder03.news.aol.com>
LOL Laura...but you didn't see all the weaponry at the hotel <VBG>. Well the
weekend was GRAND!! I am so happy to have met Jayne, Carole #1 and her
lovely daughter, Carole #3 and Laura. Here it is Monday and I don't think
I'll have to eat for the rest of the week after all the eating I did. I came
home with a few treasures. Now to find time to read them all. If any of you
get a chance to meet people from here GO FOR IT!! It is a
wonderful experience where you can meet and become life long friends.
Now if I could only catch up with all these post. <g>
Carole #2 in the Adirondacks
"If you can imagine it,
You can achieve it.
If you can dream it,
You can become it."
-William Arthur Ward
Subject: Re: McCarthy
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 06:25 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998042022251600.SAA01005@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I am sick and tired of our North Carolinian Nookers fighting constantly
over the merits of The Crossing. I say enough is enough, which is easy for me
because I minored in tautology, but gave it up when I became an adult earlier
this year. Anyhow, Cormac -- the man Shelby Foote, some relative of Leslie
by hanky-panky, says single-handedly saved the American novel from extinction
-- the man I say, mainly just to get to Jan mad, is the
finest Carolinian writer, North or South, extant--- the man who gave up
writing apparently to make those funny dishes -- the man --- does anyone
remember where sentence started or where it was going? Me, neither. In
conclusion, I loved both All the Pretty Horses and The Crossing, and I am not
in the broad contingent of Nookers - current but msinly missing Nookers --
that consider Cormac's later works to be greatly inferior to his early works.
In
fact, All the Pretty Horses is my favorite McCarthy book, and I particularly
liked the pictures.
Charles Frazier
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 06:26 PM EDT
From: DGArmstron
Message-id: <1998042022262700.SAA01162@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I'm so sorry about Sunny, Barbara. I really, really commend you for being
WITH him as he went to his final sleep......our good 4 legged friends deserve
that loving attention at the end---they do not need to be alone at that time.
How wonderful of you to do it that way. I know how sad you are and how awful
this time is.....just know you gave him so much love in his short life.....
I've been lurking a LOT recently as my computer was on the blink...finally
bit the bullet and called Apple and for 35$ they walked my through a repair.
Not bad. Now I'm so far behind in posts.......I will catch up tho.....Happy
reading all!
Diane in NJ
"...like friends, books have gone into the making of whatever and whoever I
am."
Kevin Starr
Subject: Life Magazine Failure
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 06:54 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042022544200.SAA04987@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Luigi, Warren, et al
I tried so hard to find the Life Magazine bit on a train to no avail, but i
did find an X-rated joke from Chinatown, 1974, which discussed the way a
Chinaman (words from the movie, not at all PC, I acknowledge) performs his
filial "duty". Jake Gibbes is the character who relates the joke, and
instead of reading Confuscius,
he pauses from his " physical art" to go read Life Magazine, resumes his
intensity, and yet his wife has the last funny word, and she is quite the
consummate winner of the word play. Does this earn the second banana "tried
to peel it but couldn't" honorable mention for sheer tenacity? Reading the
reviews of this movie and the quotations left me in adolescent stitches.
Now, what is the movie you had in mind? Inquiring minds want to know.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: McCarthy
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 07:11 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042023114700.TAA06093@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Shades of Fate or the Ugly Fate Sisters from Greek Mythology ( singing from
not The Devil and Miz Jones but Phantom of the Opera), we've done dab slam
did it again. What are the odds that "The Crossing" would remind me of a
Life Magazine post query from a McCarthy fan, an oblique reference or synapse
suggestion at best, and that "He" might just post on the subject while I was
posting on him?
I quit. Too blamed scary.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: McCarthy
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 07:31 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998042023310500.TAA09977@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Warren -- <<All the Pretty Horses is my favorite McCarthy book.>> Mine, too,
Luigi! I really did like that one, but so-so on The Crossing, and despite my
son's telling me repeatedly how great BLOOD MERIDIAN is, I have not been able
to get into it at all.
CAVEDWELLER--This book grabbed me right away!
Paula--Thanks for another rave of Ragtime! We have tickets next week when in
NYC--Hooray!!
Gymeni2--I live in San Jose now, but I was born in Santa Cruz, four of my
five children were born there, and daughter Gina lives there now. I once
lived on Chanticleer Avenue. I began my teaching career at Del Mar Middle
School in the Live Oak District! It's a small world!
Carol in Oceanside, CA--I have Mac, and I've never had this problem. Can't
you just click it off?
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: Wrong Words/Gina/Luigi
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 08:02 PM EDT
From: Ludsmith
Message-id: <1998042100024900.UAA14523@ladder01.news.aol.com>
RUTH: I enjoyed rereading "The Hobbit." I read the entire series about 17
years ago right after I was married. I remember reading on every break at
work. It was hard to tear myself away to go back to work. About half of the
women in my book club hadn't ever read it, but they all loved it. Their kids
and husbands had been trying to get them to read Tolkien for years but said
it took recommendations from other women to get them
motivated! My kids have loved watching "The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings"
videos too. I ordered an illustrated copy of "The Hobbit" (Michael Hague)
from Nancy's new online book store--shopping.com--for my 9 year-old to read.
I usually don't read fantasy or science fiction, but this is a fun series.
My daughter is rereading C.S. Lewis' "Chronicles of Narnia" series. I've
never read them, but would like to read them with her.
13 hours to baby!!!!! The hospital said I'm first on the list to be induced
tomorrow. I'm very anxious. I cleaned out at least 40 books from my TBR
stacks by my bed this morning and returned the books to bookshelves for a
later time. I only kept borrowed books and ones I'm reading for my book
clubs. I'll let you know how things go with the baby.
Shauna
Subject: Jackie - First We Quit Our Jobs - ?
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 10:39 PM EDT
From: EACurran
Message-id: <1998042102392900.WAA06851@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jackie - I noticed that you mentioned a new book today with your signature.
Does that mean you have finished First We Quit Our Jobs? Can you tell us
something about the book? I have been intrigued by the title and have been
watching to see what you would have to say about it. I am probably especially
interested since I went back to work today after a week off, a rude
awakening!
I'm also looking forward to Jan's comments on Cloud Chambers, a book that I
thought was outstanding.
Erika, just finished Alias Grace (will comment soon in the intended folder),
started What the Deaf Mute Heard, so far very enjoyable)
Subject: Rugrats, etc.
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 10:42 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042102420500.WAA08428@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Suzanne: I'm with you on Rugrats. I think it's innocuous. Most of it goes
over my kids' (ages 4 and 2) heads, but they are taken with the funny looking
cartoons. I would say they might watch it once a week or so...most nights I
try to be getting them ready for bed and reading books by 7:30 when it is on.
I thought the Rugrats passover special was pretty funny!
Carol: You are always one step (or probably more) ahead of me on reading. I
have had Light of the Falling Stars on my list for ages! Will look forward to
your comments!
Gymeni2: Welcome to this place...you might also want to try Favorite Fiction
for discussion that is limited (well, mostly) to books. Also, the Readers and
Reading Book Club is fun because we all read the same book and "discuss" it
on the group.
Jackie: Your week of "downtime" sounds wonderful! Especially the massage! I
know that when I am not working I find it a pleasure to do some things around
the house that normally would be pure drudgery! Also, I loved The Persian
Pickle Club. Looking forward to your thoughts on Alias Grace. Will you be
posting in the Readers and Reading Book Club? There have been some
interesting discussions so far.
Lita: Thanks for sharing your story...kids sure give you perspective on our
feelings on death. I remember when my mother-in-law passed away, my niece was
about 3. She kept saying that Gramma Rita went to be with the Indians...she
got confused when her dad told her she went to be with the angels. We
patiently explained that Gramma Rita would definitely go to California, not
Cleveland :) (Apologies to Cheefwil)
Diane in S. Florida
Reading Hard Laughter by Anne Lamott
Subject: Re: Jackie - First We Quit Our Jobs - ?
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 10:44 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042102445500.WAA07656@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Erika:
I read that book, in fact I am putting it in the mail for Marilu. Its about
traveling. RV etc. Let Jackie review it for you.
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Shauna/MariLu/reunion
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 10:48 PM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998042102483400.WAA09444@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shauna...I have been wondering about you...after hearing last Wed night you
were having contractions...and then no word, well, I'm glad to hear things
are on GO for the morning. Best of luck to you & the babe.
MariLu...I can't believe this. You were born in Santa Cruz & ended up in
B'ham for a revival? Your father must have been a big-time preacher to travel
that far. For some reason, I thought you were from the South (Miss?) & ended
up in CA. What an interesting life!
Just to let all you NooYawkers to know that you are not the ONLY ones meeting
new friends this weekend, Judy5914 from Pensacola is coming to B'ham this
weekend. We are having a big Art Show in the park downtown, & she is showing
her jewelry. I think she does more OnlineBookGroup than BN, but has posted on
both. I tried to meet up with her last year, but it was rained out. It has
rained so much here lately, that I don't see how there could be
any left in the sky. But never say never around here! I am working at the
Festival, helping run the *Corks & Chefs* tent, where we are having a wine &
food tasting deal. It will be fun, I hope, if the weather cooperates. Damn,
we are due some good weather down here.
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Re: McCarthy
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 10:56 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998042102563200.WAA10645@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Pictures?? Warren, you are too funny. The reason that we ended up with a
first edition hardback of All the Pretty Horses is that my then adolescent
daughter thought it would be a book (pictures, too) about horses. She tried
it, hated it, and passed it on to her mother to sample. The rest is history.
However, now that I know how Roe felt about The Crossing, I'm going to try it
again. Sometimes, it takes a false
start or two to get where you want to go! Roe and I have loved too many of
the same books for me not to feel I missed something in "the Crossing".
Cissie
Subject: Re: Wrong Words/Gina/Luigi
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 10:59 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998042102591100.WAA11010@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shauna -- All three of mine were induced. It's the only way to fly. Fast
and furious! Good luck. I envy you the experience, and that's no joke.
Cissie
Subject: NALL
Date: Mon, 20 April 1998 11:33 PM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998042103330500.XAA16210@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Those of you that remember our discussions about the artist known as NALL?
He is going to be here in B'ham Tues (tomorrow) night for a new show he's
done & to celebrate his 50th birthday! Can't wait! I'm going with bells on my
toes, altho they are expecting a mob.He is having a band from the
"Flora-Bama" Lounge in Gulf Shores, AL, play for the party. I'm sure Karen &
Mary Coral know of
this infamous bar.....it should be a wild night...I will give you all a first
hand account.
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Re: NALL
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 12:15 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998042104152900.AAA21513@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I do remember the discussion about the artist NALL, Leslie, I'll be waiting
for a report!
Good luck, Shauna!! We'll all be waiting for news and I will be pacing the
floor.
Sue in Mi
Subject: Click on Mac
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 01:27 AM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042105272400.BAA28210@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Yes, Marilu I can click it off but the next time I boot up there it is again.
It is annoying and I would like to find a way to get rid of it permanently.
Can't figure out where it came from or why.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 01:57 AM EDT
From: Spumony2
Message-id: <1998042105574700.BAA29128@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Barbara,
Reading your post made me think of the beloved pets I've lost also, so I
know your pain at the loss of your little puppy. But rest assured, someday
you won't hurt so much as you relate stories of Sunny that make you and
others laugh and smile.
Take care,
Spumony2 / Cathy
Subject: Cloud Chamber
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 02:06 AM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998042106065100.CAA29691@ladder03.news.aol.com>
If any of you have read or are planning to read Yellow Raft On Blue Water
and/or Cloud Chamber, I posted a review in Favorite Fiction . I hope it
involves you enough to want to read these books by Dorris. By the way, Cloud
Chamber has been described as a prequel but it's also a sequel as it starts 5
generations before and ends after the close of Yellow Raft.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: This and That
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 07:40 AM EDT
From: NVLehman
Message-id: <1998042111404100.HAA12158@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shauna-- Good luck I was induced in 2 of my 3 pregnancies.
Lita-- I was a great afficianado of jacks, too. Played everywhere with super
bouncy balls.
Have a good day, Nina
Subject: Re: Monday - again -
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 08:00 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042112000700.IAA11791@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I must have been VERY bleary eyed when I wrote John Lennon - & meant Paul McC
- then I could not get back on line to correct it. Oh well - YOU knew who I
meant!! (blush, blush)
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Mac Question
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 08:02 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042112024900.IAA13123@ladder01.news.aol.com>
When in doubt:
#1 - rebuild your dekstop.
#2 - Run disk doctor, Norton utilities, or disk first aid if you have it.
#3 - backup as much as you can - & do a clean install of your System.
It sounds as if there is NOTHING wrong but you are getting some kind of
conflict & this might end it.
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Tuesday Tidbits
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 08:20 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042112204300.IAA12870@ladder03.news.aol.com>
LESLIE: If you are going to "look" at Judy's Jools, be sure to take your
cheque book with you! Her work is fabulous & every time I see it there is
some piece I can't resist. Fortunately she lives far enough away or I would
be broke! So far I own a ring, earrings, two bracelets, a hairpin, a book
mark - in fact, I wear her bird's nest bracelet almost every day.
SHAUNA: Oooh - she MUST be a new Mom by now!
I think we were caught between some kind of weird storm center yesterday - I
got online in the early a.m., but that was the end of it. I was not able to
sign on after that.
BTW - for those of you who commented by email - "my" problem with getting to
the Internet last week was AOL's problem - I am so happy it wasn't my
computer. I had just done a careful emptying of the cache & was looking
forward to faster response time - here I was worrying - did I throw out the
software??? In the future - blame AOL first - LOL.
Our Mac User's Group had a flea market yesterday - I cannot believe it - $500
later, we were like alchemists - turning other people's junk to money! We
sold off old computers, parts, cables, software - One guy bought an old Apple
& a printer for under $200. Most of us just donated the stuff to the Club &
did not take anything from the sales. It's a good way, once a year, to get
rid of old books & anything else I don't need. I always come home &
say: "Now, why didn't I take--------oh well, next year!"
Still reading LIGHT FROM FALLING STARS
TTFN from Marco Island, FL
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Jackie - First We Quit Our Jobs - ?
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 09:20 AM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998042113200400.JAA16492@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<Does that mean you have finished First We Quit Our Jobs?>> Alas it
doesn't, Erika! I'm attempting to keep up with the book group and have
dropped everything for Alias Grace so i can catch up. I've been doing this
book group thing all wrong. I have been planning to finish about the time we
all planned to be finished (in this case April 30)--and I am so far behind
everyone else! I'm gonna miss out on the discussion.
First We Quit Our Jobs is a good story (true) about a couple who worked
high-power jobs in New York. They decided they had had enough and quit their
jobs, bought an RV and traveled across the continent. The book tells about
their adventures in traveling from New York to Alaska--via Canada (as far as
I've gotten so far) then down the Alaskan coast to Washington, over to
Montana, down to New Mexico and across the Southland before heading back
up to New York City.
I may pick it up on my next trip in May to Seattle. That way I should be
reading about the part of their trip to Seattle about the time I am visiting
there. That will work for me.
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood (a long book with tiny
print. I'm hanging in on this one
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: Rugrats, etc.
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 09:24 AM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998042113241800.JAA17969@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Looking forward to your thoughts on Alias Grace. Will you be posting in the
Readers and Reading Book Club? There have been some interesting discussions
so far.>> Yes, Diane, I will as soon as I finish it. I am only about a
third of the way through. It is a good story--but doesn't hold my interest
as some other books do. It is not one I can hardly wait to pick up each day.
I read short stories and other books in between a lot. I
think part of my problem is the teeny tiny print---gives me headaches. And
this gets in the way of the story sometimes.
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood (a long book with tiny
print. I'm hanging in on this one
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: Wrong Words/Gina/Luigi
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 10:53 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042114535400.KAA23029@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dear All:
SHauna wrote this yesterday in her Post:( 13 hours to baby!!!!! The hospital
said I'm first on the list to be induced tomorrow. I'm very anxious. )
ACCORDING TO MY WATCH
IT IS 8:00 SOMETHING IN UTAH
SHE IS FIRST ON THE LIST!!!!
SO WE MIGHT HAVE A BABY TODAY!!!!
OUR FIRST CYBERSPACE BABY!!!!
IF AN WHEN I HEAR WILL ANNOUNCE.
HEAVENS, SHE MIGHT HAVE DH'S LAP TOP
BY HER BED AND ANNOUNCE IT HERSELF!!!!
LETS ALL PRAY AND BE WITH OUR SHAUNA
TODAY FOR A SAFE DELIVERY AND GORGEOUS BABY!!!!
JAYNE WHO IS BOILING WATER NOW!!!!!!
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Dogs/McCarthy
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 11:21 AM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042115214500.LAA25263@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I finished reading Mary Willis Walker's ZERO AT THE BONE on the plane-ride
home from visiting DS and family in N.C. The book is an excellent mystery,
and I would highly recommend it to Walker/mystery fans. In the book, I came
across the following quotation that I thought Book Nook dog/pet lovers would
enjoy: "(animals) are not brethren, they are not underlings; they are other
nations, caught with ourselves in the net of
life and time, fellow prisoners of splendor and travail of the earth..."
Isn't that lovely?
I have many posts to read, but thanks to all who have posted on McCarthy's
THE CROSSING so far. I'm only about 25 pages into the book, and his writing
takes some getting used to -- the lack of punctuation, quotation marks,
apostrophes, etc -- but he certainly uses the language in a creative and
beautiful way.
Sally (AKA Miss Sally in NJ)
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Re: Mac Question
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 11:32 AM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042115322700.LAA27294@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks Carol but I have already done all of those things but it didn't help.
I have a question in to Mac@Home on the web. Incidentally, that is a great
monthly publication by Cobb - lots of great information in a
easy-to-understand format. They have a website at www.cobb.com/mac.
Thanks for trying to help.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Dogs/McCarthy
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 12:06 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042116061700.MAA28756@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Sally- I read the second book by Mary Willis Walker Under the Bettle's Cellar
for the Thriller Book Group awhile ago. I remember enjoying it very much for
that type of book. I think she either has another new one out or coming out
shortly.
Have just returned from the basement from hell. Why oh why do we save all
these "things." Our town is having their annual clean up and this is the
year I said, "Clean up, clean out or LEAVE!!!!." Now I'm wondering why I even
thought of this let alone announced it here and there. Now everyone expects
to visit our house and give the basement the clean glove test. Complicating
the whole issue is that I have four generations worth of memorabilia in
the basement. My grandparents things, parents, ours and DD's who believes in
saving every notebook, paper, theater ticket stub and birthday card. Also,
for me, as usual , it is a very emotional trip through the cartons as I come
across pictures, invitations etc. I remember once hearing that if you don't
wear or use something in a year, it should be tossed. How abotu 50 odd years
I figure. You know when one has a basement they tend to fill up and
its sort of an out of sight, out of mind kind of thing.
I am shamefully once again way behind on the message boards and trying hard
to keep my mouth shut. It is becoming increasingly difficult as we enter
what I call our social season. Last Sunday we had a wonderful engagement
party for my cousin and next week its the Book Nook reunion, then weddings
graduation parties etc. So what's a girl suppose to do. I'm thinking of
purchasing some duct tape for the mouth. I find that in the last number of
years
my key obsession - book buying has begun to take over other areas of my life
as well.
Am I finally knee deep in middle age or am I slowly inchiung towards the next
passage?
Well, I did about 15 minutes of sighing in the basment (I really only move
the cartons from one area to another) so I think its time to head off to B&N
and the library for a little levity today.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Induction & Mystery
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 12:06 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998042116063700.MAA29978@ladder01.news.aol.com>
1) I hope all is well with Shauna. It has been interesting to hear the
female commentary on induced pregnancies. For example, I noted that Cissie
said all her children were induced, and Nina said that two out of three of
her pregnancies were induced. Interesting. As some of you may know, Dorothea
and I were married for seventeen years before Becky was born. Becky was also
induced. In the sixteenth year of our marriage I decided to try flowers,
soft music and really-good Bordeaux, and that worked like a charm. Wish I had
thought of it sooner.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2) Perhaps some of you could help me with a bit of mystery I am trying to
solve. I assume this has something to do with my backlog of Nook posts, but I
am not sure.
In my life I have had numerous cats and dogs as members of my family.
Quite a number of them have passed on to pet heaven. I miss them, of couse,
but we try to stay in touch, and I communicate with all of them regularly.
Mickey, the little dog who took me through those difficult teenage years, was
always the most talkative, and -- not at all to play pet favorites -- he gave
the most sage counsel. Small-bodied dog, but big brain and heart.
Anyhow, Mickey keeps talking about thanking someone for some cute, new,
cuddly ball of white fluff that is making every day in heaven even a bit more
Sunny for everybody.
I don't have a lot of clues as to what this is all about. I can say
this much: dog heaven apparently had to send out for several extra shipments
of cookies, and a couple of jasmine trees. Mickey, I'm sure, would have given
me more detail, but he said he had to go because all the dogs were lining up
to get their chance to play with the little guy, rub his tummy and pet him,
and Mickey did not want to miss his turn. Apparently, whoever this
fluff ball is, he just can't get enough petting. Wish I knew more, but ---
oh, yeah -- one other thing. Mickey did say that his new friend in heaven
wished he could somehow let his family know that no dog on earth ever had a
better home or better parents, but that, as much as he missed them, dog
heaven was a really neat place to be. So many friends. So much playing.
Soooooooo many cookies. And best of all -- there were no sick or hurting dogs
in the
whole wonderful place. Not even one.
If I learn more about this whole thing, I will let you know.
Luigi
Subject: Re: Tuesday Tidbits
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 12:08 PM EDT
From: TDanks777
Message-id: <1998042116081600.MAA00212@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Returned from London on Saturday after an absolutely exhausting 9 day
whirlwind with dear sons sans husband! Had a fantastic time despite the
freezing weather (it actually snowed heavily for one whole day!) and the
constant fighting of said sons.
The book I grabbed and threw into my suitcase at the last minute was White
Crosses. Not exactly cheery, uplifting, holiday reading BUT I did enjoy it
and found it well written.
You people obviously decided not to promise NOT to post while I was gone and
I came home to over 500 posts...just finished...phewwww!
Marilu, thanks for the Academy Award website. My 10 year old son is an
absolutely movie fanatic and literally inhales anything related. One the
trip home from London, he kept asking me who was nominated for this, who won
for that. Your hyperlink was a god send!!! He and I thank you.
Betsy, I was alternatively scared out of my wits and fascinated by Dark
Shadows. I remember sleeping with the covers pulled up around my neck
(sometimes in over 100 degree weather, I might add) lest a vampire stray too
close to our house and want to take a bite of my prepubescent neck!!
Lita, We were NOT too cool for such games as kickball, dodgeball and the
like!!! AND I happened to be the 4th grade tetherball queen to boot! Now, I
lived in the SF Valley so maybe we weren't too cool for these games.
Barbara, so sorry to hear about Sunny.
Mary Ann, my condolences on the loss of your DFIL.
Shaunna, you are probably having your baby as I write this; hope it is a
fast and relatively pain free experience. We are thinking of you!
Terri, who is VERY happy to be sleeping in her own bed and basking in the 80
degree weather.
Subject: Re: Mac Question
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 12:12 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042116122800.MAA00561@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol--You might want to try this link, too. I posted about a Mac problem
(that's an oxymoron, isn't it?) there and had several answers in no time,
both on that board and by e-mail. Members Helping Members
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Mac Question
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 01:26 PM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998042117261700.NAA06238@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Since it opens up when you start your computer, could it be something in your
startup file (an alias of some tutorial or assistant). It sounds as though
you have the Apple Guide Extension turned off so this thing can't get going.)
I would open up the startup file and see if there is anything in it with the
Appleguide logo and simply take that out and save it somewhere else. the
other option is turning on the Apple Guide extenstion with your
extension manager and letting it open so you know what it is.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: The Meadowlands
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 02:21 PM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998042118210400.OAA10884@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Although I have not yuet read this book, and am a ways down on the waiting
list at the library, I wanted to let all you NY and NJ folks know about it.
After hearing the author interviewed on OPB, I am eager to read the book
since it sounds absolutely fascinating. Here is a hyperlink to a review
Willamette Week - Book Review: The Meadowlands É or for those without AOL 3.0
http://www.wweek.com/html/unnaturalist.html
Robert Sullivan is fascinated by the Meadowlands and wrote what promises to
be a fascinating book. Check it out soon, though as they will probably move
the page tomorrow or the next day as this week's issue comes out on wed.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: meadowlands- take two
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 02:24 PM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998042118242100.OAA11176@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I decided to copy the article and delete all the stuff on the side.
The Unnaturalist
In his paean to a toxified industrial marshland, Portlander Robert
Sullivan pioneers a new breed of environmental writing.
BY SUSAN WICKSTROM
243-2122 EXT. 328
Robert Sullivan lives in Portland, one of the most beautiful places in
this country, yet he is obsessed with a maligned swamp on the other side
of the continent. Towns that are the butts of national jokes--Newark,
Teaneck, Bayonne, Jersey City--lie nestled in a marshland that is home
to garbage dumps, gangster graves, monster mosquitoes and Superfund
toxic-waste sites, as well as the New York Giants football team, fashion
leaders Donna Karan and Liz Claiborne, and the biggest collection of
foreign translations of Gone With the Wind. The Meadowlands are an
enigma wrapped in a riddle dipped in a very funky smell.
Sullivan's fascination with New Jersey's Meadowlands began in the 1970s
when he was a local teen-ager, crossing the vast, spoiled wetlands to
attend rock concerts and sporting events in New York City. After he
moved to New York, he continued to experience the area through casual
visits, newspaper reports and the view from a car, bus or train. It
wasn't until he moved to Portland a few years ago that he began to truly
miss the "world's greatest industrial swamp." Sullivan surrendered to
his obsession and began flying cross-country to dive as deeply into the
marshland as anyone has since Jimmy Hoffa went to sleep there with the
hideously deformed fishes. The result of his quest is a book, The
Meadowlands: Wilderness Adventures at the Edge of a City, which proves
there actually is a there there.
Books that explore the nature of a place are often too much like
homework, or they're excruciatingly pretentious. Sullivan's is neither.
The Meadowlands is everything a creative non-fiction book should be:
carefully researched, chock full of fascinating details and historical
facts, and rife with life's ironies. It captures the surreality of a
place where the worst and best that humankind can spew battle the power
of the natural world.
Sullivan's research process is every bit as interesting as the
information he uncovers. He is intrepid in searching the swamp for yet
another facet of its sorry personality. He enlists the help of Dave, his
best friend from high school. They compare themselves to a modern-day
Lewis & Clark when they attempt to cross the swamp in a canoe: "Having
never canoed in the Hackensack before, we were a little surprised that
the canoe even floated; Dave imagined that the water would somehow eat
away the bottom of the canoe, that it would dissolve the oars like acid.
Nothing like that happened, though."
Sullivan carries his explorer persona even further when it comes to the
people he meets. Anyone he encounters may reveal a steaming heap of rich
facts about the Meadowlands. "Sometimes when I'm out in the
Meadowlands," he writes, "I feel as if I'm in a National Geographic
special and I'm visiting little tribes of people unknown to everyone
else, the traditions of whom are unfamiliar to me." He is thrilled to
meet the swamp people of New Jersey: mosquito men, garbage men, mud
walkers and gumshoes. All of these Meadowlands denizens convey a unique
appreciation for their home that Sullivan captures. He also includes the
ghosts of swamp-dwellers past, who each had a hand in making the area
what it is today, for better or worse.
In one of his more whimsical passages, Sullivan wishes "by magic or with
the assistance of angels or with the help of a grant awarded through the
Federal Enterprise Zone program, I could turn the bottom of the
Meadowlands to the top and restore what was thrown into the muck back to
its pristine predumped condition, the place would be instantly
de-wasteland-ized." He imagines sitting at the top of Snake Hill and
watching a marvelous restoration, complete with hovering barrels of
toxic waste and demolished buildings miraculously rebuilt. His favorite
part of the fantasy involves the plethora of illegally dumped bodies.
"Among the most enthusiastic of reanimated items from down under the
Meadowlands would be the small bands of executionees, roaming
together--their hands patting their chests, pinching their cheeks in
wonderment--through the thick fields of wildflowers, each clumsy step
rousing a pheasant or a wild turkey."
But Sullivan is at his best when he's simply talking trash, a commodity
of which the Meadowlands is a bottomless pit. He spent every one of his
travels expecting (hoping?) to see something blow up. When explosions
eluded him, he found contentment gazing at wild birds swimming among the
disgusting pieces of refuse floating in the brackish, sometimes
Technicolored water: kingfishers, Styrofoam peanuts, herons, plastic
bottles, cormorants, condoms, Muscovy duck, refrigerators. Adept at the
poetry of garbage, he puts the fun in Superfund.
Sullivan's enthusiasm and devotion is infectious. Yet he is not immune
to some swamp snobbery when it comes to his precious Meadowlands. He
refuses to venture any farther south than Point-No-Point because the
chaos of the overconcentrated Meadowlands makes him feel too gloomy. It
scares him.
Portland is lucky to have a writer of Sullivan's caliber. Perhaps
someday he'll fall in love with one of our local eyesores and persuade
us to find some beauty in what is commonly known as ugly.
Originally published: Willamette Week - April 15, 1998
Read it:
The Meadowlands: Wilderness Adventures at the Edge of a City by Robert
Sullivan
Scribner, 220 pages, $23, ISBN 0.684.83285.2
Context:
Sullivan will present The Meadowlands at Broadway Books (1714 NE
Broadway, 284-1726), 7 pm Tuesday, April 21.
Sullivan became obsessed with the world's greatest industrial swamp as a
teen-ager.
Sullivan is a contributing editor for Vogue and has written for such
publications as The New Yorker, The New Republic, The New York Times
Magazine and Rolling Stone.
"For a long time, the Meadowlands was the largest garbage dump in the
world. In the 1970s, eleven thousand tons of garbage were dumped there
every day--an amount that would just about fill Giants Stadium."
--The Meadowlands
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
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Subject: Re:Sunny
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 02:25 PM EDT
From: RKCK SYST
Message-id: <1998042118253500.OAA10094@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh, Warren, you've got me crying again over a dog I've never met. I can only
imagine your post's impact on Barbara. What a sweet, happy, and even joyful
picture you've painted. Barbara, I can feel my own hands rubbing that warm,
soft tummy. I envy the angels (and angel dogs!) who are doing that very
thing at this very moment. Am thinking of you.
Carolyn K.
"Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of
it." P.J. O'Rourke
Subject: Re:Sunny
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 03:36 PM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998042119360300.PAA16422@ladder03.news.aol.com>
And I'm so pleased that the little children have dogs to cuddle with, sorry,
with whom to cuddle.
Sue in Mi
Subject: ooops
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 04:39 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042120393200.QAA23212@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I meant that I was reading ALL THE PRETTY HORSES, not THE CROSSING
Sally (AKA Miss Sally in NJ)
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Re: Mac Question
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 04:47 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042120471900.QAA24068@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judi - I have used Members Helping Members in the past but I thought it was
just for AOL problems. Anyway, I appreciate the advice and will use them in
the future for other computer problems. RuthAlice solved it for me though by
telling me to look at the startup items (why didn't I think of that?) and
sure enough, there was Tutorial Part 2. How it ever got there will remain a
mystery but it is gone from there now and so is my problem.
You are SO right, that a Mac problem sounds like an oxymoron.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Mac Question
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 04:50 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042120502300.QAA25598@ladder01.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice - once again you have come to the rescue! Dumb me, I never thought
to look in the startup items. Anyway, there sat Tutorial Part 2. How it ever
got there is a real mystery but it is now gone and my problem is solved.
Thank you, thank you, thank you
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Induction & Mystery
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 04:58 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998042120585100.QAA26541@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Oh, Warren, you made me cry and Sunny wasn't even my beloved dog. Babara
must be in floods of tears if I'm crying in sympathy.
Welcome home, Terri, and thanks for the condolances. (Is that spelled right
(or is it rightly)?)
RuthAlice - I learned more about the Meadowlands from the review than I ever
knew before. For instance, I didn't even know the Meadowlands existed.
Sounds great - although for some reason I kept seeing a scene from The Great
Gatsby (you know the billboard ride?) while I was reading it.
I went to Dodd's Bookstore here on Second Street last night - I was in the
moood for a mystery, in particular an Agatha Raisin mystery - I picked up
$1.00 Dover editions of Metamorphsis by Kafka because DH and I were talking
about it this weekend. I'm sure I already own it but my books are in boxes
in the garage. Also a $1.00 edition of The Inspector General by Gogol
because he's probably the only Russian I've never read - these little books
aregreat. Also got the new (to me anyway) Diane Johnson one which I can't
remember the title of (and it's upstairs) but looks good and Agatha Raisin
and the Murderous Marriage. Naturally, I started that one first and, for
what it is, it's great.
When we got in the car, I reread the first paragraph of Metamorphsis to DH,
who thought a moment and then said, "That man was on drugs." Not knowing a
thing about Kafka personally, we didn't know the answer to that. However,
that image of the "pitifully thin" legs waving in the air is pretty vivid.
Haven't read this one in years and years.
It is soooooo gorgeous here today, I think I'll take the dogs for a walk by
the canal.
hasta later - when we will probably have a baby on board!
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Re: What a Place
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 04:58 PM EDT
From: Gymeni2
Message-id: <1998042120585500.QAA26544@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thank you, Jayne for the welcome. Would you mind emailing me that link to
the chat rooms, I download my boards to read offline and the link doesn't
download.
Thks.
I live in Santa Cruz, CA. It has been so beautiful here the past 4 days. I
believe that spring has finally sprung.
Carolyn's Secretarial Service
Life is nothing if you are not happy.
Subject: Cabbage Soup
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 05:21 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998042121214900.RAA27983@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I promised Jayne this soup recipe back in March--I just made it on Sunday (so
it's finally out of the recipe box), so before I put it back, I thought I'd
post it for all of you:
Weisskohl-Eintopf (a German cabbage soup
1 green cabbage
4 strips bacon
4 med tomatoes (or 14 oz can of peeled tomatoes)
2 cubes beef boullion
1/2 tsp marjoram
salt & pepper to taste
1 lb ground beef
bread crumbs
1 egg
1 onion
2 T butter
Cut cabbage into strips. Dice the bacon. In a large pot, cook bacon and
then add the cabbage and cook until it's transparent. Let simmer. Meanwhile
peel the tomatoes by soaking in hot water to soften skin (or, just open the
can!)--cut tomatoes into quarters and add to cabbage. Add boullion and 2
cups water and the seasonings. Cover; simmer.
Meanwhile, mix meat, bread crumbs, onion and egg and make small meatballs
(about the size of a nickel). Fry until brown in the butter, and add to
soup, and simmer up to 30 minutes.
IF YOU LIKE:
Klutshen (Potato dumplings)
Mash together 5 or 6 waxy, boiled potatoes, 2 T flour, 1 egg, dash of salt
and nutmeg. Cook by tablespoonful in hot boiling water, then add to soup
just before serving (or serve alongside bowl).
Enjoy!! Believe me, this is wonderful stuff!
-Deb
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: Nostalgia
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 05:52 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042121522500.RAA02964@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Judi you wrote<<Nostalgia--My parents never knew it but they sent me to camp
for two months so that I could play jacks all summer. It was a pretty
loosely structured camp in the Berkshires so we didn't have to be doing
certain things at specific times except for swimming.>>
I too spent over 11 summers at an all girls camp in the Berkshires. I became
extremely proficient at Jacks but little else. I'll never forget playing
with Mich when she could hardly hold the pink spalding ball. Can you tell I
was also prepareing her for sleep away camp? But that was a little like
cheating with the big ball- at camp we often tried to play with the tiny
rubber ball they sold with the jacks - that was almost impossible to use. I
love
when you got to do the fancies - espcially the sweep the parlor one. Now I
wonder if I could even sit cross legges on the floor to do this anymore.
LOL.
And with a sigh I must announce that our first computer came downloaded with
a Jacks game - so sad to do this alone.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 05:53 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042121534800.RAA01917@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Barbara - I wrote this morning by e mail about Sunny but wanted to let you
know as I'm reading the messages, that I am very sorry for your loss and
pain. Hopefully time will help you and your family.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Jacks and Birmingham
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 07:07 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998042123070500.TAA10883@ladder03.news.aol.com>
JACKS--I, too, loved jacks. Our ball of choice was a golf ball, because it
made such a lovely cracking sound when it bounced on the cement, and it
bounced so high. During WWII our love of golf balls was almost our undoing
as jack players however. The war effort ended the manufacture of metal
jacks, and the only ones we could buy
were of old brittle plastic. When the golf ball landed on a plastic jack, it
splattered all over the place. You can imagine the popularity of a girl who
possessed some old prewar metal jacks! I was very good at it, BTW, because I
had long fingers and could pick up twelvsies easily.
LESLIE--<<You were born in Santa Cruz & ended up in B'ham for a revival? Your
father must have been a big-time preacher to travel that far. >> My dad was
the pastor of a church in Santa Cruz when he and my mother met and married.
He had done some evangelizing before taking that church and loved it, and
soon after their marriage, he and
my mother went back on the revival circuit. They returned to Santa Cruz for
my birth, then when I was six weeks old, they headed back south. I spent
five of my first seven years performing in revivals, one of which was for two
weeks in a theater in Birmingham. Dad backed the small house trailer we
towed onto the back stage of the theater, and we lived in the theater for two
weeks. We spent our first Thanksgiving not in someone else's house in
that theater, and my dad went out onto the streets of the city and brought
back a young serviceman to share it with us. I had a very unusual childhood.
My dad was very popular as the "Outlaw Evangelist," and we went from one town
to another. It ended with the advent of WWII and gas rationing, when we had
to stop. We settled for the next six years in Tulsa, where my dad had
family.
"Since I am not young enough to know everything, and the covers of this book
are too far apart, I demur: Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very
persistent one."
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: Tuesday Tidbits
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 07:33 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042123331600.TAA14193@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Terri: re: your 10 year old son the movie fanatic. I would be interested to
hear how you decide what movies it is OK for him to see. There has been quite
a bit of debate on Titanic. I know someone who took her 6 year old to see it
and I felt that it would be inappropriate for a younger child. I feel the
same way about a lot of movies. So I'm very interested in getting ideas from
other parents on how to "screen" (pun intended) their kids'
movies. P.S. If you've missed my earlier posts, take my word for it, don't
let the little guy watch Chasing Amy! It was a little strong for my
sensibilities and I'm 35!
Diane in S. Florida
Reading Hard Laughter
Subject: Members helping members
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 07:35 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998042123351500.TAA15634@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Wow, what better place to go than the BookNook! Ask and ye shall receive.
Don't even ask, and you'll probably receive good thoughts anyway.
A tip of the cyberhat to RuthAlice, our resident Wonderwoman who came to the
rescue again, Mac and otherwise. Be careful, RuthAlice, you're making a
habit of this.
Another tip of the cyberhat to Luigi, our resident Dearheart who came to our
emotional rescue by providing a beautiful picture to help Barbara and the
rest of us think of Sunny cavortine among the clouds.
A third tip of the cyberhat to Shauna, Wondermom for adding another reader to
our BN ranks. (We're all thinking of you and the newbie, hoping all went
well.)
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Dark Shadows
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 07:57 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998042123573800.TAA17327@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I don't know any parents around here who don't allow Rugrats...except for
those with no televisions. But that is another topic. Despite Angelica, it
seems pretty harmless to me. IMHO.
Lita
Subject: Inspiration
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 09:15 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998042201154300.VAA27961@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Subject: Song of Peace
>Wishing to encourage her young son's progress on the piano, a mother
>took her boy to a Paderewski concert. After they were seated, the
>mother spotted a friend in the audience and walked down the aisle to
>greet her.
>Seizing the opportunity to explore the wonders of the concert hall, the
>little boy rose and eventually explored his way through a door marked
>"NO ADMITTANCE." When the houselights dimmed and the concert was about
>to
>begin, the mother returned to her seat and discovered that the child was
>
>missing.
>Suddenly, the curtains parted and spotlights focused on the impressive
>Steinway on stage. In horror, the mother saw her little
>boy sitting at the keyboard, innocently picking out "Twinkle, Twinkle
>Little Star." At that moment, the great piano master made his entrance,
>
>quickly moved to the piano, and whispered in he boy's ear, "Don't quit.
>Keep playing."
>Then leaning over, Paderewski reached down with his left hand and began
>filling in a bass part. Soon his right arm reached around to the other
>side of the child and he added a running obligato. Together, the old
>master and the young novice transformed a frightening situation into a
>wonderfully creative experience. And the audience was mesmerized.
>Whatever our situation in life and history--however outrageous,however
>desperate, whatever dry spell of the spirit,
>whatever dark night of the soul-- God is whispering deep within our
>beings, "Don't quit. Keep playing. You are not alone, Together we will
>transform the broken patterns into a masterwork of my creative art.
>Together, we will mesmerize the world with our song of peace."
>
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Tuesday Tidbits
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 09:23 PM EDT
From: TDanks777
Message-id: <1998042201232800.VAA00282@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Diane: The 'screening' of movies in our house is a big deal. While I am
much more strict, DH is more permissive and we occasionally do battle on the
subject. Most of my boys' (10 1/2 and almost 13) friends are allowed to see
movies that I think are inappropriate. They talk about them at school (ad
nauseum), they see ads for them, trailers at the movies, etc. I
have to admit that I have loosened up somewhat and let them see most PG-13
movies (the younger one, provided I've seen it first) and a very occasional R
(VERY!) About Titanic, DS#@ has seen it 4 times. BUT, he has a friend who
just turned 11 and is not allowed to see it (definitely the rarity---and I do
applaud the parents(although I'm told by Andrew that when Brian goes to see
his Dad, that his Dad will let him see it---geeesssh!) Anyway, IMHO,
I think that I wouldn't let a child younger the 8 or 9 see Titanic. It is
very intense and there is the nudity, of course (although the nudity is very
innocent, I think) Good luck!!! I consider the whole subject a mine field
at best!!! (BTW, I walked out of Chasing Amy and I'm no prude----Andrew will
most definitely NOT be seeing it anytime soon!!!)
Terri--reading The Zone and Wait Till Next Year
Subject: Re: boomers
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 09:47 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042201471000.VAA02410@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh Catzers:
So many memories you brought back. Thank you for such a wonderful Post.
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Nostalgia
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 10:50 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998042202502600.WAA12672@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I grew up, from the age of 8, in a small Mendocino Coast town. Spent most of
my childhood up in trees and singing to the ocean. We rode our bikes for
miles, up and down the coast and out to the lighthouse, where we would climb
the stairs to the observation tower and spit over the side. We would go to
the beach and tease the sea anemones at low tide, and we had a huge field
with trees and hazelnut bushes and a deserted house to play in. BUT,
during the summer, we always played Hide and Go Tag in the Seymour's backyard
in the evenings, and therein lies a story. The night before school started,
in the summer of 1957, was also the night before I started High School. It
was the last night our group played Hide and Go Tag in the Seymour's
backyard, and we all knew it was going to be the last night. The game was
intense. You see, in old Mendocino Coast houses, there is usually an old
water
tower in the backyard, a relic of the days when water for the houses needed
to be stored. In this backyard, there was a yard light fixed to the water
tower illuminated a part of the yard near the water tower, all else was in
gloom. The object of Hide and Go Tag was to beat "IT" to the lighted area and
slap the post and then you got to hide again. If "IT" caught you, you became
"IT." We had played this for years on summer evenings, and had all sorts
of hiding places, including on top of the hedge of cypresses, where, over the
years, we had beaten a highway, using boards to bridge the gaps. The game had
been going on awhile, when "IT" found me. Away I ran, as fast as I could.
"IT" was a boy a year older than I and not quite as fast. But he almost
caught up to me and as we entered the brightly lit "Home" area, he reached
for the back of my old flannel shirt to stop me. Now, here in 1998, it is
hard to realize how shy and embarassed we were about bras. But we were. And,
when he grabbed the back of my shirt, it stopped, and *I* didn't, and there I
stood, in the glare of the yard light. In my bra. Paralyzed. Fortunately, one
of the other boys had the presence of mind to tear off his sweatshirt and
throw it to me. I can still hear the silence in that yard as I raced off
home. When I came into the kitchen, my mother was reading and looked up,
as I announced, "We have to move." Well, of course, we didn't, and I went off
to my first day of high school, where most of the people who had been in the
backyard that last night also attended school. And it is only as an adult
looking back that I realize the compassion of that group of kids. I could
have become a laughing stock, but it was never mentioned again. But we never
played Hide and Go Tag again.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Tuesday Tidbits
Date: Tue, 21 April 1998 11:12 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042203122300.XAA14530@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Terri: Thanks for your insights on movies. My kids are just 4 and 2. I don't
tend to take them to movies...life is entertainment enough. But they have
some videos and my mom will take the 4 year old to a Disney movie on
occasion. I am very concerned about violence in movies...I don't much care
for it and I remember being scared by Daktari on t.v. as a little kid! What
must kids think of the graphic violence that's on the screen now? It
must be really hard because there is "peer pressure" of what the other kids'
parents allow them to do. I'd like to think that I am going to let the movie
ratings and the EW parent guide to the movies serve as guides. I mean, does a
13 year old NEED to see an R rated movie? The ratings people don't think so
and unless I see it and deem it appropriate, I'd like to think that I'll
limit that.
But I must amend that a little. I was a very advanced and precocious reader.
And as a child of about 13, my mother saw me reading a book and thought it
was good that I was reading about that poor woman who became a paraplegic in
a skiing accident (The Other Side of the Mountain). She was horrified to find
that I was reading Sidney Sheldon's The Other Side of Midnight. Am I any the
worse for this? I think not...I guess I'll assess my teenager at the
time.
I just find it interesting how many parents limit their teens from seeing
sexually oriented movies, but have no problem sending a 7 or 8 year old to
see Terminator, Die Hard, Robocop type violent movies! What's the message
here? Violence is OK, Sex isn't?
BTW, I loved Wait Til Next Year...took me back to the glory days of
baseball...as I'm mourning the sale of the World Champion Marlins. Also, good
luck if you try The Zone...one of my buddies from the gym did it and boy did
she transform her body!
Also, glad you had a wonderful time in London. We have good friends who are
there because the husband is temporarily assigned and we have an open
invitation...we really should take advantage!
Diane in S. Florida
Reading Hard Laughter.
Subject: Re: My new philosophy
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 01:15 AM EDT
From: Gymeni2
Message-id: <1998042205154000.BAA29377@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu, this is funny.
Carolyn's Secretarial Service
Life is nothing if you are not happy.
Subject: Re: Tuesday Tidbits
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 04:53 AM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998042208534401.EAA08741@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I applaud parents who screen their children's viewing. I think as a whole we
allow children too much too soon and our children pay a price for that in a
shortened childhood and rushed maturity.
My parents never prevented me from reading anything I was interested
in--however reading and watching a movie are different in that reading,
simply due to the fact that adult subject matter books are written at a
different reading level than children's books, have an element of
self-selection that a movie does not.
I also know from personal experience how traumatic seeing something that is
not age-appropriate can be. My sister was baby-sitting me when I was 4 years
old and although forbidden to go herself, she disobeyed and took me with her
to see Psycho. It has been 35 years since I have seen the movie yet I can
remember the plot almost entirely. I can close my eyes and picture entire
scenes from the movie. The shower scene, interestingly enough, did not
horrify me nearly so much as the car sinking into the swamp--the most
frequent sequence from the movie to show up in my night mares--that and the
attack shown in shadows on the stairwell. I have only to hear the music on
some tv show or advertisement and I know I will be in for a nightmare-filled
night. Usually, after more than 35 years of nightmares about that movie, if I
hear the music I don't even try to sleep that night.
I avoid horror movies and have never seen any of them from the halloween
movies to the Exorcist. The closest I have come to "horror" movies was the
Planet of the Apes. The few that I have seen glimpses of have also brought
back Psycho nightmares. I saw about 10 minutes of Night of the Living Dead
and had nightmares about Psycho for weeks.
In college, I thought I would "cure" myself by going to see the movie. After
all, I was a grownup and should get over this silly phobia. I went to a
showing at a Hitchcock revival and no sooner had the movie begun than I
started to cry--loudly. I didn't last 3 minutes. Not only was I incredibly
embarassed, but I had another long bout of Psycho night mares.
Now I do watch murder mysteries....even Hitchcock mysteries like Rear Window
and the Man Who Knew Too Much....but Psycho looms very large in my mind and I
would have to be dragged to see something like The Silence of the Lambs.
Whatever, the one thing I know is that my sister's action in taking me to
see that movie when I was 4 has had a long-lasting traumatic effect on my
life that has never gone away. It's been 35 years and that movie still gives
me nightmares.
I know this is an extreme example and that there is a vast difference between
4 and 11, but I think the visual power of film enhances its ability to affect
a child. Also, I think something can be even more frightening if you don't
understand it...making what may seem like an ordinary movie more terrifying
than it would be if it were seen with more adult eyes.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: This and That
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 07:42 AM EDT
From: NVLehman
Message-id: <1998042211421600.HAA13644@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Terri-- I agree we would not let our 8 year old see Titanic either not
because of the nudity but because I thought that she, this particular child,
would be terribly upset seeing those bodies being washed away, seeing the
terror of the passengers and by the refusal of those in the lifeboats to go
back and pull people out of the water. In general though we are quite
flexible about what movies we let our children see and
my husband who sees just about everything tends not to go by the ratings but
makes his own independent judgment. Bad language is not an issue for us and
neither is a certain amount of sex or bang-bang violence. We don't allow any
of our children, The 11 and 1/2, 8 or 5 year old, to see things that are
high-tension, or where there is violence to children or where there is sexual
violence or adult emotional themes that they will be troubled by. I
find that the ratings are often not helpful. Jonathan (11) saw all the
Oscar-nominated movies except L.A. Confidential and The Full Monty the 8 and
the 11 saw Amistad.
Have a good day, Nina
Subject: IT'S A GIRL!!!!
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 08:10 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042212101201.IAA14967@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi All:
Up a few minutes ago and Shauna's DH sent the following E-Mail.
IT'S A GIRL!!!!!!
jayne and wayne:
shauna gave birth to a perfect little girl today! the baby was 7 lbs, 6 oz.
(smaller than dillon or bailey) and has dark hair and beautiful little
face...she looks just like bailey did. she is very healthy and shauna had
the best and shortest delivery yet...she is feeling great. she will be home
on thursday am and will chat with you then.
I am sooooo excited. So happy everything was perfect.!! Don't have to boil
water all day today.
Fond Regards,
Jayne (The Happy Cyberspace Grandma)
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: Re: Tuesday Tidbits
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 08:18 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998042212183200.IAA14184@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice's mention of Rear Windows reminds me that I heard it was going to
be made into a new film starring Christopher Reeve.
As far as the nudity in Titanic, I have no problem with anyone of any age
seeing that innocent bit, but would hate to have young ones exposed to all
the frozen dead bodies floating at the end. Reading forward, I see that Nina
agrees with me. There is something very peculiar and American about
protecting our children from nudity and sex but allowing them violence.
We're a weird lot.
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: Tuesday Tidbits
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 09:51 AM EDT
From: TDanks777
Message-id: <1998042213515200.JAA20004@ladder03.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice: Your "Psycho" experience reminded my of my own bad horror movie
experience. When I was in 4th grade, I spent the night at a friend's house
and her aunt took us to see "Curse of the Living Corpse." There is one scene
in that delightful movie that has one of the characters presenting a silver
tray with a cover over it to some people and when they lift the
cover, there is a severed head! WELL! that night, I am sleeping on the top
bunk of my friend's room and I awaken with a start and look over to her
dresser on the other side of the room...and there is a severed head. Of
course, in the morning, I discovered that it was not a severed head at all
but a 3 ft. doll behind the dresser with only its head sticking out. I have
never forgotten that and to this day I will not see a horror movie of any
kind.
When DH and I went to Scream with another couple, I gave it 10 minutes then
left to see something else by myself!! Those early experiences really do
leave an impression.
Terri--reading The Zone and Wait Till Next Year
Subject: Children and movies
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 10:08 AM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998042214084900.KAA21227@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I agree with RuthAlice (what a surprise!). When children self-select their
own reading materials, they bring who they are and what they know to the
material and, therefore, their minds can absorb whatever is appropriate for
them. The movies are visual, and horrors are forced into their minds through
their eyes and ears, making frightening screen experiences all the more real.
In addition, many children have problems discriminating what is
real or not when it is presented on larger-than-life screens or by real
people who live outside of the children's imaginations.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: Inspiration
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 10:23 AM EDT
From: BRULE31415
Message-id: <1998042214235200.KAA23511@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cheef,
Very nice thank you. Just what i needed today.
Becky in Texas
Subject: Our new baby
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 11:24 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042215243100.LAA26965@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Shauna and family--Congratulations on the birth of your daughter! Babies are
miracles.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Scary movies
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 11:30 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042215303700.LAA28639@ladder01.news.aol.com>
My mother took me to see "The Wizard of Oz" when I was six and the flying
monkeys stunted my growth. They also took me to see some inappropriate
movies that they wanted to see: I remember being very frightened by "The
Champion" with Kirk Douglas and by "Diabolique" with Simone Signoret.
We never cared about our children seeing nudity; it's the violence we
censored. They laugh at me today, remembering that I didn't let them watch
Bugs Bunny very often because I thought it was too violent. I happen to
think "The Simpsons" is hilarious and very sophisticated, but I hate the
Itchy and Scratchy cartoons contained in it.
Something that bothers me about nudity is that there is such a double
standard. Women frequently will be shown in full frontal nudity, but it's
rare that men do anything more than flash their buns.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Inspiration
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 12:17 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998042216170100.MAA02288@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Whatever our situation in life and history--however outrageous,however
>desperate, whatever dry spell of the spirit,
>whatever dark night of the soul-- God is whispering deep within our
>beings, "Don't quit. Keep playing. You are not alone, Together we will
>transform the broken patterns into a masterwork of my creative art.>>
Cheef, Thank you.... I needed that.
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Things to learn
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 12:44 PM EDT
From: J5577
Message-id: <1998042216441500.MAA03146@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I ran across these places today and thought you might be interested.
MathSearch -- search a collection of mathematical Web material I know, I
know, some of you don't enjoy Math, but this site is fun!
Information Please Home Page This place is a wealth of information. As my
stats professor told us, "you don't need to remember everything, you just
need to know where to go to find information you want." This is one of those
places.
50+ Great Sites These are sites for kids and parents. Those with children
may want to bookmark this one!
Happy surfing on a Wednesday!
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood (a long book with tiny
print. I'm plodding thru it)
Jackie 8-) in Utah <---home of the JAZZ
The world is covered with words, and I go about reading them. ~~Sven Birkets
Subject: Re: Things to learn
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 12:53 PM EDT
From: TDanks777
Message-id: <1998042216530000.MAA03834@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Diane and Lita,
I have found the following websites helpful in determining which movies are
appropriate for my children. Believe me, as they get older it becomes more
difficult to decide. Good luck!
Critics Inc. Cover Page
SCREEN IT! ENTERTAINMENT REVIEWS FOR PARENTS
Kids-In-Mind
Terri
Terri--reading The Zone and Wait Till Next Year
Subject: Re:Nostalgia
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 05:12 PM EDT
From: DCDLSD
Message-id: <1998042221124900.RAA28041@ladder03.news.aol.com>
My Hide and Seek story can't top yours,Cheef, but I remember the last time we
played. That particular evening we had "company", friends of my parents and
their children. Our Dads were on maneuvers,(I was an Army brat) and three
wives and their children were at our house for a barbecue. Of course as soon
as it was dark we started the game. Some of us were hiding in the back yard
and someone tried to make it difficult for anyone to run around the
corner of the house and find us easily by sticking a shovel straight out from
the edge of the house. One poor short boy ran right into it in the dark and
really gashed his forehead. That was my first experience with lots of blood
and first aid. I was the oldest and had to take the heat for letting the
others do such a stupid thing. I also learned that evening that my Mother
was calm in a crisis.
Marilu we used a golf ball too for jacks.
We also had a summer long Monopoly tournament going on . A friend of mine
(Barbara France where are you?) had a set that had belonged to her Dad when
the game first came out, I think. The money was smaller. Anyway, we
combined two or three sets and had elaborate rules. That was fun. Later
that summer she shaved her legs for the first time and' became a woman'. The
next summer had an entirely different focus!
Lynne from Houston
Subject: Horror movies/Nall/link
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 06:02 PM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998042222022500.SAA03997@ladder03.news.aol.com>
The scariest movie I ever saw was "The Horrors of the Black Museum". I've
never felt the same about binoculors or canopy beds. And I have never been a
fan of horror movies; like RuthAlice, I just don't "do" them.
Our store manager just made a web page for the book store where I work. Here
is the link if any of you are interested. I have to confess I "stole"
Carolyn's tag line (Miss Sally, please don't get me!) to put in the little
article they did about me. When I had to come up with a quote that related to
books on the spot, it was all that came to this CRS-laden mind. Jonathan
Benton Bookseller Home Page
Last night I went to the artist known as Nall's 50th birthday party & new art
show. I was thrilled that he recognized me after 25 years & actually called
me by name. But of course I have not changed one iota. Older? Nah, not me.
His paintings were priced from $2500 to about $18,000. A little steep for me,
but a woman I know vaguely plunked down a cool $16,000 for one. I know this
because the friend I was there with sidled up the the dot
covering the price, & with me helping block her covert actions, scraped it
off enough for us to see the price. Intrigue in high art circles.
I told Nall all I could afford of his was the deck of cards I bought 25 yrs
ago for about 25 bucks, & he told me one of these had sold at auction in
Paris last month for $800. What a savvy art investor I am! LOL
He looked fairly normal to me, was dressed nicely, but full of outrageous
remarks. He wore a pin on his lapel that said "I am so happy I could S...."
(Sorry, Gina. Let's let this one slide.) The place was mobbed, but I did
manage to get a picture taken of my friend & me within the warm embrace of
Nall's arms. He asked for our addresses "in case" he needed to get in touch
(for what I can't imagine) & also told us to drop by his art -studio -
complex
in Vence, France, next time we were in the area. A real charmer.
Tomorrow night I am going to the Literacy Council 's 3rd fund raiser of the
year & they are having Delta Burke as the featured author. A far cry from the
night when they featured
Rick Bragg! I guess I'll have to get another picture made. This constant
rubbing of elbows with the rich & famous is flat out wearing me out. LOL
With DH out of town, I am going to get in the bed & read all night long. I've
just started John Irving's new one, "A Widow for a Year". The 1st chapter
started off with a bang (literally!).
Later,
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Re: Leslie's store
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 06:29 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042222294300.SAA07265@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Leslie -- I checked out the home page for your bookstore (of course... I need
to check out the "competition" <g>) and was mightily impressed! Very classy,
m'dear. Seriously, the page is well done with lots of info for the interested
customer and potential customer. I didn't realize that your store had a
coffee shop as part of it. How nice! Wish we could do the same... And I
especially enjoyed reading your review of BLACK AND BLUE and seeing
your "shining countenance" in living color. Thanks for sharing the page with
us.
Sally
Sally (AKA Miss Sally in NJ)
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Trauma & Movies
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 06:47 PM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998042222473800.SAA10655@ladder01.news.aol.com>
RuthAlice...Some of those traumas stay with us for a lifetime...I wonder
sometimes if I've done anything to traumatize my children. Hopefully not.
Your sister probably just wanted to see the movie and didn'[t realize what it
did to you...though I cannot imagine taking a 4-year old! I don't want to
see it today! When I was about 2-1/2, my 15 year old male cousin had
me lay in a toybox and then sat on it. I still remember the feeling I had
inside that box and have a terrible case of claustrophobia. I hate
elevators, never would go into a closet during hide and go seek, hate
airplanes...anything that closes me in. And my cousin, who is really a
lovely person, feels terrible about it to this day!
Diane...Regarding letting kids see violence...I do not, as much as possible.
Of course, I have girls who have no desire to see Terminator and RoboCop. I
did let them watch the movie with Harrison Ford as president being hijacked
on the airplane...but we all have an aversion to guns and killing and they
have no more desire to see it than I have to let them. Overdoing behavior
of any kind isn't good for kids...whether it be sex or violence or
greed....it is difficult to be careful, and moreso with your second child
than your first. The first happily goes to Disney films, but the second
wants to see what her older sister (or brother) is seeing and it is no longer
Disney. I read the ratings and then the explanation as to why they are
rated. (The LA Times provides this, as I assume others do as well.) And then
a lot of
talking about what is right and what isn't. I mentioned to you in an e-mail
that I let the girls see "Romy & Michelle's HS Reunion" (their only R-rated
movie so far.) In fact, someone on the board told me that except for the
terrible language, the movie was fine. So we had a long talk about language
and its use and then saw the movie, which actually had a pretty nice message.
Its a case by case, try it as you go and hope for the best!
By the way, Nina...I read your message...we solved the Titanic issue by
leaving once the ship hit the iceberg. Rebecca had no desire to see it once
the "good part" (i.e., happy romance) was over.
Judi...You wouldn't let you kids see Bugs Bunny? I draw the line at Bambi,
which is too UPSETTING! They won't watch Lion King for the same reason.
Sorry to have ranted on.....
I'm almost finished with Lady Chatterly's Lover and I find it much more
interesting and involving than I did when I read it at 19. I also understand
the character much better, though I do NOT understand Lawrence's ongoing
negative comments about Jews. (DH says it was typical of the English at that
time.) IAnyone on the board like to talk about it?
OK...signing off...finally!
Lita
Subject: Link
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 07:38 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998042223381100.TAA15998@ladder03.news.aol.com>
LESLIE--Good homepage! Thanks!
Judi--<<it's rare that men do anything more than flash their buns.>>Yeah!
I've always wondered why that was! It's really not very fair to us, is it?
I wouldn't mind a little frontal nudity once in a while. Just to keep the
old juices flowing!
SHAUNA--congratulations!
SUE IN MI--<<There is something very peculiar and American about protecting
our children from nudity and sex but allowing them violence. We're a weird
lot.>> Amen to that!
Cheef--What a lovely story! I love the picture of the old master, arms
around the child, helping him to play a masterpiece!
I don't want to get to the end of my life and find that I lived just the
length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as well. -Diane Ackerman
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: Things to learn
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 09:19 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042301195300.VAA00654@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Terri: Thanks for the links to the parent movie screening sites! I put them
in my favorite places for future reference.
Leslie: Loved the web site! It's a great picture of you and a very nice place
to visit...I wish I could visit the store sometime! I've never been to
Alabama!
Diane in S. Florida
Reading Hard Laughter
Subject: Baby Girl
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 09:21 PM EDT
From: Dixie80
Message-id: <1998042301210100.VAA29457@ladder03.news.aol.com>
CONGRATS SHAUNA!!
I'm so happy for you and your family!! Enjoy all that cuddling you'll be
doing. I envy you in that respect. I miss mine being small.
Carole #2 in the Adirondacks
"If you can imagine it,
You can achieve it.
If you can dream it,
You can become it."
-William Arthur Ward
Subject: SHAUNA
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 09:22 PM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998042301223500.VAA29668@ladder03.news.aol.com>
and family..........
Congratulations
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Re: Trauma & Movies
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 09:25 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998042301254000.VAA01454@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Lita,
When Simon was 8, Poltergeist came out and was advertised as a scary movie
that kids could attend. Simon had been flirting with the idea of seeing a
scary movie. Well, 20 min. into the movie, Simon tugged my sleeve and
announced, "If you don't get me out of here now, I am going to have a nervous
breakdown." So I told Chris and Matt that I would be that I would be back to
get them and took Simon to his grandparents. All the way there he raved. "I'm
8
and I can't handle that movie!!! There are LITTLE kids in there!!! What is
going to happen to them?" Oh, he was indignant. (Upon reflection, raising
Simon was sort of like having Owen Meany in the house.) Once he became a teen
ager, he loved scary movies and is still a fan. 8 was just too early. But
then what did we expect of a child who said of Raiders Of The Lost Ark, "Any
movie where a man's face melts does not DESERVE a PG rating!"
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Baby Girl
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 10:17 PM EDT
From: Jibs Kid
Message-id: <1998042302175000.WAA07378@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Shauna---how exciting---my baby girl is 17 and I would love to do it all over
again---I have 2 boys also but a girl--with all the clothes (smocked of
course) and ribbons---now I have a lanky, cross-country runner who towers
over me ----CONGRATS
SV
still plugging along with Crossing to Safety
I tried the "new" book site that Nancy told BN about---"Shopping" will let
you know how
they pan out.
Subject: Re: Horror movies/Nall/link
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 11:12 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998042303125300.XAA16317@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi Leslie, I went to the Benton website and saw all four pages. Maybe I
haven't paid my aol bill lately, but I didn't see your picture, or your
quote. What am I doing wrong? I couldn't find you under any of the four
links (More About Us, Daily Cup, Book LInks or Who We are). Is it not
working because I'm a Damn Yankee??
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: April/May thrillers
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 11:19 PM EDT
From: TheSussMan
Message-id: <1998042303194500.XAA17229@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Here are some of the thrillers to be released in April and May. For a
complete list of new releases, check out my web page - Mike Sussman's
Thrillers & Audiobooks . Happy Reading!
Hardcover thrillers:
ADRENALINE - Bill Eidson
ALL THE DEAD LIE DOWN - Mary Willis Walker
THE ARK OF MARINDOR - Barry Targan
BAD MEDICINE - Ron Querry
THE BALLAD OF FRANKIE SILVER - Sharyn McCrumb
THE BOY - Naeem Murr
CHAIN OF CUSTODY - Harry Levy
CHINA BRIDE - Henry Luk
THE CINCINNATI RED STALKINGS - Troy Soos
DAY OF WRATH - Larry Bond
DEAD EVEN - Brad Meltzer
THE DOOMSDAY KISS - Dr. Robert Davis
DOUBLE EXPOSURE - Stephen Collins
DOUBLE IMAGE - David Morrell
FADE TO BLACK - Wendy Corsi Staub
FAULT LINES - Anna Salter
FLIGHT OF EAGLES - Jack Higgins
FORTUNES OF WAR - Stephen Coonts
THE GRAVITY OF SHADOWS - David Ramus
THE LAST INAUGURATION - Charles Lichtman
LIAR - Jan Burke
A LIKENESS IN STONE - J. Wallis Martin
MASKED DANCERS - Jean Hager
N IS FOR NOOSE - Sue Grafton
NIGHT WHISPERS - Emmett Clifford
NO IMMUNITY - Susan Dunlap
PULSE - Edna Buchanan
SECRET PREY - John Sandford
THE SILENT CRADLE - Margaret Cuthbert
THE SPRING CLEANING MURDERS - Dorothy Cannell
SPRINTER - Bruce Jones
STANDING IN THE SHADOWS - Michelle Spring
THE TARGET - Catherine Coulter
THE UNDERTAKER'S WIDOW - Phillip Margolin
WHITE CHOCOLATE - Elizabeth Atkins Bowman
YOU BELONG TO ME - Mary Higgins Clark
Paperback thrillers:
THE AX - Donald E. Westlake
BRANDENBURG - Glenn Meade
A CAT ON A BEACH BLANKET - Lydia Adamson
COLD CALLER - Jason Starr
CRASH COURSE - Kathy Hogan Trocheck
DAY OF THE DOVE - Rainer Rey
DOWNTICK - Regan C. Ashbaugh
DUST TO DUST - C.N. Bean
FIRE CRACKER - Shirley Kennett
FLESH AND BONES - Paul Levine
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN - Dorothy Cannell
HEART OF WAR - Lucian K. Truscott IV
HUNTING A DETROIT TIGER - Troy Soos
KILLING FLOOR - Lee Child
MAN OF DESTINY - Martin L. Gross
MARGIN OF ERROR - Edna Buchanan
McNALLY'S GAMBLE - Lawrence Sanders
NAZARETH HILL - Ramsey Campbell
NEVER STREET - Loren D. Estleman
ORDEAL - Deanie Francis Mills
PLUM ISLAND - Nelson DeMille
PRETEND YOU DON'T SEE HER - Mary Higgins Clark
THE PROJECT - Zev Chafets
PULSE - Echo Heron
RETRIBUTION - Elizabeth Forrest
THE SECOND SALADIN - Stephen Hunter
THE SENATOR'S DAUGHTER - Victoria Gotti
SERPENT'S TOOTH - Faye Kellerman
SHINY WATER - Anna Salter
SLICKY BOYS - Martin Limon
TOM CLANCY'S OP-CENTER: BALANCE OF POWER - Tom Clancy & Steve Pieczenik
UNDER THE KNIFE - Francis Roe
THE WALLS OF JERICHO - Jon Land
THE WRONG KIND OF MONEY - Stephen Birmingham
THE X-FILES: ANTIBODIES - Kevin J. Anderson
Mike
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Subject: April/May fiction releases
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 11:26 PM EDT
From: TheSussMan
Message-id: <1998042303262500.XAA18061@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Here are some of the fiction titles to be released in April and May. For a
complete list of new releases, check out my web site - Mike Sussman's
Thrillers & Audiobooks . Happy Reading!
New Fiction
Hardcover:
ABOUT A BOY - Nick Hornby
BELLADONA - Karen Moline
DAMASCUS GATE - Robert Stone
THE FALLEN LEGACY - Robert Jordan, Writing as Reagan O'Neal
FREEDOM'S CHALLENGE - Anne McCaffrey
HEMINGWAY'S CHAIR - Michael Palin
LEGACY OF SILENCE - Belva Plain
THE LONG ROAD HOME - Danielle Steel
THE MERMAIDS SINGING - Lisa Carey
MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE - Nicholas Sparks
THE MOST WANTED - Jacquelyn Mitchard
THE PACT - Jodi Picoult
A PATCHWORK PLANET - Anne Tyler
THE PILOT'S WIFE - Anita Shreve
THE PREDATORS - Harold Robbins
ROXANNA SLADE - Reynolds Price
STAR TREK: SPECTRE - William Shatner
SWITCHEROO - Olivia Goldsmith
WHAT WE KEEP - Elizabeth Berg
A WIDOW FOR ONE YEAR - John Irving
Paperback:
THE ACTUAL - Saul Bellow
CHASING CEZANNE - Peter Mayle
THE DEAN'S LIST - Jon Hassler
DECEIVED - Bertrice Small
DESTINY'S ROAD - Larry Niven
THE GAMBLE - Joan Wolf
INVENTING MEMORY - Erica Jong
LONDON - Edward Rutherford
LORD OF MIDNIGHT - Jo Beverly
THE MEMOIRS OF CLEOPATRA - Margaret George
NOBODY'S DARLING - Teresa Medeiros
ORCHID - Jayne Castle
THE PASSION DREAM BOOK - Whitney Otto
PURPLE AMERICA - Rick Moody
ROMANCE OF THE ROSES - Julie Beard
SANCTUARY - Nora Roberts
SECRECY - Belva Plain
TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH - Elizabeth Lowell
Mike
Mike Sussman's Thrillers & Audiobooks
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Subject: April/May non-fiction releases
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 11:28 PM EDT
From: TheSussMan
Message-id: <1998042303283700.XAA17137@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Here are some of the non-fiction titles to be released in April and May. For
a complete list of new releases, check out my web site - Mike Sussman's
Thrillers & Audiobooks . Happy Reading!
New Non-Fiction
Hardcover:
THE $100,000 CLUB: HOW TO MAKE A SIX-FIGURE INCOME - D.A. Benton
AFTER THE FALL - Suzanne Somers
BUNTS - George F. Will
CONFIRMATION - Whitley Streiber
DONNA'S DAY: IT'S THE LITTLE THINGS - Donna Erickson
EVERYDAY ENLIGHTENMENT - Dan Millman
GOOD NEWS FOR BAD DAYS - Father Paul Keenan
HEALING ANXIETY WITH HERBS - Harold Bloomfield, M.D.
THE HEART'S CODE - Paul Pearsall, Ph.D.
HOW SWEET THE SOUND - Cissy Houston & Jonathan Singer
IN THE KENNEDY STYLE - Letitia Baldridge
ME AND MY SHADOWS - Lorna Luft
MORE LETTERS FROM A NUT - Ted L. Nancy
THE MOTHER DANCE - Harriet Lerner, Ph.D.
PASSAGES FOR MEN - Gail Sheehy
READING PEOPLE - Jo-Ellan Dimitrius, Ph.D. with Mark Mazzarella
REAL BOYS - William Pollack
THE REAL McKAY - Jim McKay
RELAX - YOU MAY HAVE ONLY A FEW MINUTES LEFT - Loretta LaRoche
REPRESENTATIVE MOM - Susan Molinari with Elinor Burkett
STILL ME - Christopher Reeve
STOP AND SELL THE ROSES - Jim McCann with Peter Kaminsky
STRONG WOMEN STAY SLIM - Miriam E. Nelson, Ph.D. with Sarah Wernick,
Ph.D.
SUGAR BUSTERS! - H. Leighton Steward et al
THERE'S A HAIR IN MY DIRT! - Gary Larson
THINKING FOR A LIVING - Joey Reiman
TITAN: THE LIFE OF JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER, SR. - Ron Chernow
THE UNFINISHED PRESIDENCY: JIMMY CARTER'S JOURNEY BEYOND THE WHITE HOUSE -
Douglas Brinkley
WE ARE OUR MOTHERS' DAUGHTERS - Cokie Roberts
WHEN YOU EAT AT THE REFRIGERATOR, PULL UP A CHAIR - Geneen Roth
Paperback:
A 5TH PORTION OF CHICKEN SOUP FOR THE SOUL - Jack Canfield & Mark Victor
Hansen
BRAIN DROPPINGS - George Carlin
CHICKEN SOUP FOR THE PET'S SOUL - Jack Canfield, Mark Victor Hansen,
Martin Becker, D.V.M., & Carol Kline
CHOCOLATE FOR A WOMAN'S HEART - Kay Allenbaugh
DR. SUSAN LOVE'S HORMONE BOOK - Susan M. Love, M.D. with Karen Lindsey
THE GOOD BOOK - Peter J. Gomes
JUST DESSERTS: THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY OF MARTHA STEWART - Jerry
Oppenheimer
NICKEL DREAMS - Tanya Tucker with Patsy Bale Cox
OUR BODIES, OURSELVES FOR THE NEW CENTURY - The Boston Women's Health
Book Collective
SEINFELD: THE TOTALLY UNAUTHORIZED TRIBUTE - David Wild
SINBAD'S GUIDE TO LIFE - Sinbad
TRAINING A TIGER - Earl Woods with Pete McDaniel
WITHOUT A DOUBT - Marcia Clark
WOMEN! FEMALE VOICES RISING - Susan Powter
Mike
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Subject: Re: Trauma & Movies
Date: Wed, 22 April 1998 11:56 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042303564400.XAA20655@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<Upon reflection, raising Simon was sort of like having Owen Meany in the
house.>>
LOL, Cheef! That's what I was thinking when you were quoting his
indignation: "What is going to happen to those children?!" The world needs
more Owen Meanys.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: a few short responses
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 12:15 AM EDT
From: TheSussMan
Message-id: <1998042304152900.AAA23995@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jackie and Jan - When I was a teenager, I had a dog named Shadow. She was a
black lab mix and was a very affectionate and intelligent dog. She died
about 6 years ago at age 13.
Barbara - I'm so sorry to hear about Sonny.
Gina - Timothy loves Rugrats. I have no problem with the cartoon.
Sally and Nancy - Mary Willis Walker's new book came out about 2 weeks ago.
It's called All the Dead Lie Down, and it's another Molly Cates novel.
Shauna - CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
Leslie - Great web site!
Does anyone live near Boston? (I know Nance lives in Massachussetts, but I
don't know where). I made my summer vacation plans this week, and Timothy and
I will be visiting my cousin in Boston in June. I've never been to Boston and
am looking forward to the trip.
My roommate is doing well and improving. She thinks she might be able to
come back to our apartment in 3 or 4 weeks. She is able to walk a little bit,
but not across a room yet. She' s using a walker and is no longer confined to
the wheelchair. The casts on her ankles she be coming off soon, but I don't
know about the cast on her wrist. She's never been much of a reader, but
she's read 5 Danielle Steel books since her accident.
It's been almost 2 weeks since Timothy had a baseball game. His game was
rained out last Saturday, and most of his practices the last 2 weeks have
been rained out. The weatherman says it should be sunny this weekend so
hopefully he'll get to play.
Gotta run. Talk to y'all later!
Mike
Mike Sussman's Thrillers & Audiobooks
http://members.aol.com/thesussman/home.htm
Subject: Re: Trauma & Movies
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 12:19 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998042304191800.AAA23258@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Another Simon story. We took a trip to Kauai that summer. It was, of course,
a five hour flight and then a little time to rent a car in Lihue. As we drove
from the airport, Mr. Indignation was heard from indeed. We passed a Sears
and a Ben Franklins and finally he burst forth. "You made me sit in a plane
for FIVE hours for THIS????!!!! I could have gone to Bishop and seen
THIS!!!!!" The next day we drove to Hanalei, through lush tropical
growth. And from the back seat we heard, "Now, THIS is Hawaii!!! This was
worth the trip." Like Owen, he always has an opinion, and never fears to
express it. Of course, I love him dearly.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: SHAUNA
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 12:21 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998042304213800.AAA24742@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shauna, and family,
Blessings to you and to the little newbie.
"And what are little girls made of, made of???
Sugar and spice and everything nice.
And that's what little girls are made of."
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Worst movie
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 01:23 AM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042305232300.BAA00584@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I just sat through (on video) the worst movie ever made, IMHO. It had Peter
Strauss in it so I thought it would be quite good as I have always liked him.
WELL, it was horrible. I don't know what was the worst; the writing, the
directing or the acting. Why in the world Peter Strauss, whose part was very
small, ever agreed to be in such an absolute disaster is beyond me.
Be forewarned all of you video rental folk. Don't rent, buy or even watch
for free "Keys to Tulsa". I know this could never have been in a theater so
most likely was a movie made for video only (far too much nudity, violence
and foul language for TV, even TV does have some limits!).
Guess I will have something to eat to get rid of the bad taste.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Trauma & Movies
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 01:29 AM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998042305291100.BAA29727@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cheef,
Simon sounds an awful lot like my Ian.... He's a tough kid to live with but
what wonderful stories we will have to tell when he's grown! (although I
have to admit that I worry a lot about what he will grow up to be)
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Worst movie
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 01:43 AM EDT
From: EACurran
Message-id: <1998042305431400.BAA02096@ladder01.news.aol.com>
We saw City of Angels last weekend, and it was the worst movie I've seen in
years. I like Nicholas Cage, I like Meg Ryan, and I went intrigued by the
story line. But it just didn't come together -- at all.
Horror movies - I can't watch them at all. I was haunted by the Psycho shower
scene for years. And I never even saw the movie, just heard a little bit
about the scene!
Cheef - Do you "see" your son's declarations in CAPITAL LETTERS?
Erika, looking forward to supper with Mari Lu tomorrow night
Subject: Re: Baby Girl
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 06:34 AM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998042310342501.GAA11738@ladder01.news.aol.com>
almost mentioned in my original post, but didn't............that MY baby
girl, just turned 20............best thing that ever happened in my
life........well other than her Dad, that is.:)
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Re: Nostalgia
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 07:19 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042311192200.HAA12058@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dear Cheef:
What a lovely story of nostalgia. Thank you for sharing. Climbing trees and
playing "Kick The Can" a dusk was our game. Since I could run faster than
most girls I became quite well like among the boys because I became a
challenge in all races.
I grew up in a small town in Maine. Everyone knew everyone else. I think
the most joyous time of growing up was playing baseball, yes football too,
and riding my bike to the library to get new books to read and helping Miss
Whiteworth straighten up the shelves. She always made me feel sooooo
important. Her lovely way of introducing me to so many wonderful books.
Jayne in Connecticut
No one ever injured their
eyesight by looking on
the bright side of things.
Subject: This and That
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:26 AM EDT
From: NVLehman
Message-id: <1998042312263600.IAA15212@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Shauna-- Congrats
EACurran-- My family (I didn't see it) agrees with you about City of Angels
they thought it was slow, bad and had an unsatisfying ending.
Looking forward to Monday, reading The Sakiad.
Have a good day, Nina
Subject: Lurker's Rules?
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:30 AM EDT
From: MizBiz129
Message-id: <1998042312301700.IAA16642@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Gina - I lurk a lot. When I have a few minutes, I dip into the posted
messages just to see what is going on in the lives of the BN crew. I don't
always want to start in the earliest-dated messages, although I will get
around to them later; I want to see what might be happening currently.
AOL has devised a method of stopping me in my tracks while I am still in the
archives. No matter what date or number of days I specify when entering the
board, I am plunked into the midst of March. I can Fast Forward but can get
no further than a couple of weeks' worth of messages with that method. Any
attempt to use "Find" brings up a message that "THERE ARE NO POSTED SUBJECTS
ON THIS BOARD"
Is there a rulebook that I am not following?
Subject: Re: Trauma & Movies
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:54 AM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042312543400.IAA18060@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Oh Cheef...I love your description of your son's response to Poltergeist and
your likening him to Owen Meany!!! I can relate because I remember in 1981
taking two kids I babysat (ages 4 and 5) for to see Raiders and walking out
after the first sequence where he's running out of the cave. I just thought
it was too intense for little kids.
Mike: I don't live in Boston, but it is likely that my kids and I will be
spending some time up there this summer on a combination of business and
pleasure. So let me know your plans and if our timeframes cross, maybe we can
meet up! Also, my best friend Amy (ASL4162...occasionally posts here), lives
there. She has three children and would probably be happy to give you some
ideas on things to do, sights to see, etc. I know that our summer trip will
likely include a trip to the Children's Museum, the Science Museum and the
Swan Boats.
re: Shauna...did I miss something? What's that baby girl's name?
Diane in S. Florida
Reading A Perfect Storm
Subject: Hard Laughter
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:59 AM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042312593600.IAA17154@ladder03.news.aol.com>
As you all know, I have become a huge fan of Anne Lamott over the past few
months so I am trying to get my hands on everything she's ever written. I
just finished Hard Laughter (reading it along with Joann). It was her first
novel and her youth definitely shows. It's about a kinky-haired, intensely
self-reflective young woman who is a writer. She and her family and friends
are dealing with her father's struggle with being diagnosed and
treated for a brain tumor. It's pretty autobiographical, so knowing what I
know about Anne Lamott and her life from reading Operating Instructions, Bird
by Bird and her articles in Salon, it's hard to differentiate her from
Jennifer, the protagonist. But then again...who cares?
There are some things about the book that don't come through clearly. She has
a 10 year old friend who sometimes stays overnight at her house. It never
explains where this little girl came from, why she has such incredibly adult
insight as a 10 year old, etc. Joann really got me thinking about this...plus
Joann catches these teeny tiny little inconsistencies that go right over my
head.
It's not Anne Lamott's best work, but it's interesting to read in the context
of her whole body of work to see her evolution as a person and as a writer.
Diane in S. Florida
Now reading A Perfect Storm
Subject: Re: Lurker's Rules?
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 11:43 AM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998042315431800.LAA29891@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi Miz,
<<Is there a rulebook that I am not following? >>
No, and I have never heard of this problem before.... How strange. I'm
guessing here so please forgive me if my suggestions don't work but here are
a few things to try.
1) Use the Preferences button on the bottom of the screen and change your
"sort order" to "newest first". This will give you the most current messages
first when you list all unread messages.
Or you can try...
2) Mark all messages read... and then go back and see if you can access them.
My thinking is that you may have a large backlog of unread messages and
somehow that is messing up your ability to access new messages.
If it's still not working you can try asking the tech support people More
Ways to Get Help--Live Technical Support and possibly they will know
something I don't. I hope this helps... Please let me know if you are still
having problems.
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: New Name
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 12:03 PM EDT
From: JackieML7
Message-id: <1998042316040000.MAA01577@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi all! The nooker formerly known as J5577 here!
I finally found a screen name with "Jackie" that is not being used. I am
using this new screen name (JackieML7) for the Book Nook and other reading
sites. This has become such a large part of my life that I choose to give
one full screen name to it.
I know it's a pain, but can you all change my screen name in your address
books? J5577 is still my main screen name, so if you use it, I will receive
e-mail and such. But now I am using that screen name mainly for business and
receipt of newsletters.
I also have a screen name that is used only for sports--well, basketball.
Now I can choose my subject by screen name. Don't worry--it won't take you
long to get used to the "New Me"! LOL!
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
Jackie in Utah <----Home of the JAZZ
Live your life as an exclamation...not an explanation.
~~~Author Unknown
Subject: Thursday Rambling Through
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 12:57 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042316570900.MAA05697@ladder01.news.aol.com>
SHAUNA: CONGRATULATIONS & THANK HEAVENS FOR LITTLE GIRLS!!
SCARIEST MOVIE: STRAW DOGS made me so upset, I decided that I would never
again plunk down real money in order to do that to myself.
LITA: IMO, Lawrence's anti-Jewish sentiments are not typical of the English
at that time - but they are typical of the so-called intelligentsia attached
to the Bloomsbury Group - Lyttion Strachey, Virginia Wolfe (even though her
husband was Jewish), Lawrence's wife Frieda. I spent a lot of time on
Lawrence's works with a very erudite prof in the 60s - & these be his words
too.
CITY OF ANGELS: I usually like a good tear jerker - but after i saw the ads
for this one, I simply could not tolerate the gooey, sappy looks in the eyes
of the stars - I pass on this one! All that sugar should attract ants!
Finished HUMAN CROQUET by Kate Atkinson, & in spite of all the writing
problems evident in the book, I liked it anyway. Not a top 10, but different
& interesting to read.
Started reading ISOLATED INCIDENT by Susan Sloan - thanks all you Sloan fans
for pointing her out to me. Having trouble putting it down & doing my
'work'.
Beautifully cool weather here for April - great for golf today - our team
came 3rd. My friendly golf pro buddy went north to his place in Maine
yesterday, as golf season opens there on Monday. Boo hoo - I will have to
take lessons over the phone!
The Marco Maniac, going to the dogs (literally)
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Artist's Way - New Maillist
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 12:57 PM EDT
From: RetroTrish
Message-id: <1998042316573100.MAA04513@ladder03.news.aol.com>
You are welcome to join a new Artist's Way community online. The Artist's Way
is a creativity program based on the book by Julia Cameron. It is a 12 week
program for getting in touch with your creativity. Each week's activities
include morning pages (3 pages of freewriting every morning), weekly tasks
(listed in the book and posted on the list), and an Artist's Date (a fun
creativity activity on your own). This is a *FUN*, supportive, friendly,
flame-free group. We will begin with Week 1 on Sunday, May 3. People who are
not starting the program at that time (or who come into the discussion late),
are also very welcome. Join us to explore and expand your creativity, whether
you are a writer, an artist, a musician, or someone who wants to live a more
creative life. To join the discussions you will need Julia Cameron's book
_The Artist's Way_, a notebook, and your imagination!
To subscribe to the maillist:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/artistsway
Hope you'll join us!
Trish
RetroTrish@aol.com
To join RetroTown (1950's - '70's retro pop culture maillist), just click on
the highlighted text below:
RetroTown - Subscribe Here!
Subject: Simon says...
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 02:24 PM EDT
From: Rickie122
Message-id: <1998042318241800.OAA11698@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cheef -- regarding the Hide and Go Tag bra incident, I laughed but also
shuddered in sympathy. I'm sure young women today could not appreciate the
"nakedness of just a bra" that we felt back then. I used to have dreams that
I was in class and looked down to discover that I had no blouse on -- SO
embarrassing. (By the way, LOL re your story about Simon and the scary
movie!) (Addendum -- just read about Simon and Hawaii -- that kid
cracks me up!)
Diane (Dineer) & Sue -- I'm with you on the violence vs. sex issue -- I'd
rather my kids/grandkids saw some love between people than seeing people blow
each other up, etc.,etc.
Shauna -- CONGATULATIONS on darling baby daughter! Glad everything went well
for you.
Judi -- agree on the double standard for full frontal nudity. I lobbied for
male models in my life drawing classes, for fairness's sake -- even though I
enjoy drawing women so much more! (Familiarity,don'tcha know -- I am one :-)
)
Leslie -- I went to your bookseller's homepage and could not find your
review. What did I do wrong? (I'm a Yankee, too>)
Erika -- I just saw City of Angels and while I didn't think it was the worst,
it was disappointing. Also it made me mad. However, any movie with Dennis
Franz AND Andre Braugher (who I think is a MAJOR talent) in it is worth
seeing...
Rickie in MI, currently reading Straight Man, by Richard Russo and liking it
very much.
Woman's virtue is man's greatest invention.
- Cornelia Otis Skinner
Subject: Still Catching Up!
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 04:11 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042320110200.QAA21833@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Remember when I said that these messages reminded me of the laundry- while
I'm washing and drying in the laundry room (or shall I say the machines aer
doing this and I'm merely supervising), the laundry is multiplying upstairs?
Well, the more messages I read, the more there are to read.
Congragulations to Shauna and her family. Hooray for Girls!!!! and Boys!!!!!
Sally- after I read yoru message and found msyelf at arnes & Noble, I
realized that I didn't give you exactly the right information abotu Mary
Willis Walker's books. The first one is ZERO TO THE BONE, the next one is
RED SCREAM, then UNDER THE BEETLE'S CELLAR and her brand new one is ALL THE
DEAD LIE DOWN.
Jan- just returned from Leslie's boostores website. If you go to more About
Us - on the bottom of the page is a link to meet our Staff and Reviews -or
something like that. And how pretty our Leslie is!!!
Not finished reading the messages yet but Bruce has returned and you know -HE
NEEDS THE PHONE!!!
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: April/May non-fiction releases
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 04:23 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042320233400.QAA24276@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mike- once again thanks for posting the bookslist here. Makes it so easy for
me to copy down the names of new books by fave authors. Good to see Margolin
has a new one and also some others I've enjoyed in the past.
Hope all is well. I'll be thinking of you and your son when I go to see the
Yankees Saturday at Yankee Stadium, if its still there.
BTW - really think Warren or you would enjoy this more but my friend said she
wouldn't go without me and I didn't want her husband pouting during dinner
so....
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Meow!
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 05:05 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998042321053300.RAA29101@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I notice on Mike's list that Susan Molinari has a book out now. Maybe it's
just me, but I listened to her give that speech at the Republican convention,
and I thought what a drip! She reminded me of a junior high school
cheerleader. I don't think I'll buy her book.
Cheef--I love your little Owen Meany. Yes, he does sound like him! What a
hoot!
LITA--<<my 15 year old male cousin had me lay in a toybox and then sat on it.
I still remember the feeling I had inside that box and have a terrible case
of claustrophobia.>> I am exactly the same way about being in a closed-in
space. I just read the part in CAVEDWELLER where Cissy goes down into the
cave and the lights are turned
off. She thought it was wonderful, but I about died just reading it! The
very idea of doing such a thing makes my heart palpitate and my hands sweat.
It gives me chills. I could no more do that than I could jump off a cliff.
It's my idea of Hell.
Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides
us from truth. -Kahlil Gibran
Mari Lu
Subject: Shauna
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 05:18 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042321183400.RAA00824@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Shauna,
CONGRATULATIONS
and
a BIG WELCOME
to your new baby girl!
Sally (AKA Miss Sally in NJ)
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Re: the computer age
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 05:25 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998042321252100.RAA01671@ladder01.news.aol.com>
REMEMBER WHEN....
A COMPUTER WAS SOMETHING ON TV FROM A SCIENCE FICTION SHOW
A WINDOW WAS SOMETHING YOU HATED TO CLEAN....
AND RAM WAS THE COUSIN OF A GOAT.....
MEG WAS THE NAME OF MY GIRLFRIEND
AND GIG WAS YOUR MIDDLE FINGER UPRIGHT
NOW THEY ALL MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS
AND THAT REALLY MEGA BYTES
AN APPLICATION WAS FOR EMPLOYMENT
A PROGRAM WAS A TV SHOW
A CURSOR USED PROFANITY
A KEYBOARD WAS A PIANO
MEMORY WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU LOST WITH AGE
A CD WAS A BANK ACCOUNT
AND IF YOU HAD A 3 1/2' FLOPPY
YOU HOPED NOBODY FOUND OUT
COMPRESS WAS SOMETHING YOU DID TO THE GARBAGE
NOT SOMETHING YOU DID TO A FILE
AND IF YOU UNZIPPED ANYTHING IN PUBLIC
YOU'D BE IN JAIL FOR A WHILE
LOG ON WAS ADDING WOOD TO THE FIRE
HARD DRIVE WAS A LONG TRIP ON THE ROAD
A MOUSE PAD WAS WHERE A MOUSE LIVED
AND A BACKUP HAPPENED TO YOUR COMMODE
CUT YOU DID WITH A POCKET KNIFE
PASTE YOU DID WITH GLUE
A WEB WAS A SPIDER'S HOME
AND A VIRUS WAS THE FLU
I GUESS I'LL STICK TO MY PAD AND PAPER
AND THE MEMORY IN MY HEAD
I HEAR NOBODY'S BEEN KILLED IN A COMPUTER CRASH
BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS THEY WISH THEY WERE DEAD
Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides
us from truth. -Kahlil Gibran
Mari Lu
Subject: Albany Gathering
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 05:49 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042321492700.RAA04405@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Okay Book Nookers if you ever have an opportunity to meet face to face its an
experience of a life time.
THE ALBANY TRIP
Last January a gathering was planned for some BookNookers in Albany, New
York. Due to circumstances beyond our control, God decided to make it
impossible with a good solid Ice Storm. My DH refused to take me to the bus
depot, outside the condo it was glare ice maybe that was the reason. Ha.!
After our disappointment we as a group decided to pick another date and April
18,1998 was set in stone!!
Finally the big day arrived. Sunny warm and perfect to journey to Albany to
meet these people you have shared your life with for the last year. Six of
us were to meet at Applebees for lunch at 12:30 PM. I host chartered bus
trips for the Booster Club at UCONN for Women's basketball. This adventure
with a Greyhound Bus was slightly different. Looking back I have not taken a
bus in 35 years or so!!! Wayne dropped me off and as I started into the
terminal this rather odd lady comes up to me and says: "Lady I need a dollar
bill to go to NYC." Then the lady in the foyer said "Got some change for my
trip?" Acting very grown up and slightly nervous kinda checked out for Axe
handles but kept right on moving. Maybe there is a wood chipper in that tote
bag? I did not bother to stick around. Got my ticket, a cup of coffee and I
went to the gate. Bus left on time arrived one hour and forty-five
mins. later I was then SAFELY in Albany.
As I entered the terminal I gazed around the room Over to the side stood
three ladies two in Book Nook T-shirts and the lady in the middle just gave
me the once over. I think she was checking me out to see if I was okay for
her Mother. I must have passed because I grinned, we hugged and easy hi
Carole and Carole duh., hard to remember those two names. Ha. The odd one, no
tee shirt, was Wendy and she was a sweetie. She not only carried my LLBean
Tote Bag with my life inside but was our designated driver for the entire
sleep over.
We headed to the motel to check in before going to Applebees. Now triple AAA
gives stars for okay, better and more better. Well, we had adjoining rooms
but I think that was all this place had that you could call great!!! So I
graded it about a -3 on a scale of 1 through 5. Bathrooms clean. Bed made.
We unloaded Carole #1's car. She had brought enough food for all of the
motel. Cooler. Beer, wine, Kulua, milk, ice, diet Coke and snacks.!! After
we checked out everything like towels, soap, toilet paper, the essential they
were all there we left for Applebees.
At the entrance of Applebees there stood a very attractive young lady. She
was wearing a book nook T-shirt so we just knew she was one of us. It was
none other than Laura915. She is a delight. Working very hard these days
going to school full time to get her Masters degree in Library Science. We
decided to go in and in not too long a time Carole #3/YiYi125 arrived. It
took this group of six women to get acquainted in about 7 mins. Our waitress
was soooo nice and really thought it rather neat we all were meeting for the
first time face to face. ( I had brought flash cards with topics of
conversation listed just in case we all were going to sit an stare at each
other) Not to worry never happened.
Shortly, into the lunch we checked menus, Carole #1/Our Coupon Lady for the
weekend began to explain our options on cheap, cheaper and more cheap. (Is
that how you do it you English Majors and Teachers) Well, two coupons bought
me and an other the brunch menu, two more got other things cheaper. So we
threw all the coupons into the middle of the table got the bill with all
discounts an divided by 6. Time went all too fast and after three hours of
eating, laughing, and enjoying ourselves immensely we left our sweet waitress
a big tip. She certainly deserved it.
The next thing on the agenda was: three guesses and the first two do not
count. Your right!!! Bookstores. Please do not pass Go and collect $200
dollars. There was a huge Barnes and Noble across the way. After a couple
of hours we decided to show Dixie/Carole #2 Borders. What a great excuse to
look more!!! She had never seen Borders. (I guess up there in Lake Placid
area they shovel out the highways and only go to the liberry (library)
where she works!)
We said our goodbyes to Laura who had to leave. Off to Borders. By this
time I had convinced Carole #3/YiYi125 that just had to go out to dinner with
us. Fun in Borders and could not leave the store until I bought something!
Carole #3 and I purchased a CD by Dar Williams. (Recommended by
Barbara/BKarvelas an love it!)
We decided it was getting quite late so Carole called the restaurant and
changed our reservation to 8:00 PM. Carole #3 called her DH and said she was
going out to dinner with us. I think he thought we had kidnapped her but she
convinced him she was very safe.
Our hostess Carole #1 led us to the Cranberry Bog Restaurant not too far from
Borders. A lovely atmosphere. Great food. and of course the best in
company. Maybe we looked like we were having the best time of anyone! Ms
Coupon Lady got her coupons all out and we all got the specials with Coupon
for a very reasonable price. Waiter very nice and he too was quite impressed
we all were meeting for the first time. (Hard to explain to people that we
already know each other just don't know what we look like in real life warts
and all.)
Carole #2/ Jackie's sister is tall. Attractive and such a very nice lady.
Funny at times an great sense of humor. Carole #1 has red hair/only her
hairdresser knows the real color and very pretty lady. You know a
grandmother but no wrinkles that show and clear skin. Gorgeous.! Her
daughter Wendy, dark complexion and like her Mom funny, cute and sweet.
Carole #3 lovely and like Carole older children but no wrinkles. Great
personality and just
sweet. I would say not one of this group was shy except moi.
It was getting late so we said our goodbyes to Carole #3 and off to the
motel. Being quite late we never did open snacks. Got comfy in our night
shirts, sweats or whatever and talked until whatever time. I know I did
politely ask at least three times is anyone tired??? They kept right on and I
went to bed, finally.
Our reservation for Brunch at the Cranberry Bog was 10:30. We all slept
until 9:00 or so. Miss Lady with the camera attempted to take a picture of
me at that ungodly hour but hid. We had a few laughs. Dixie ran around
cleaning the room for the maid and she even made her bed!!!! People do look
strange without their faces on, but I will never tell who is who when.
The Brunch was wonderful. We all ate as if we were not going to eat again.
So many choices. I was told the Cheese Cake was non-calories and no fat. Ms.
Coupon can you believe had two more for the Brunch. Sooooo we got like a
$12.00 discount on the bill. She is a wonder.
Carole #1 had to be at work at 12:30 PM. Carole #2 had to drive to Lake
Placid and was leaving. Ms. Wendy had instructions from her mother to get me
to the Greyhound Terminal and stay with me until I got on the bus. Wendy was
great and she never let me out of her sight. Big crowd for Boston and bus
was late. However, made up time on the turnpike only 20 mins. late.
Did we have fun? Did we laugh alot? Did we get serious on occasions? Yep and
what a wonderful time. This entire group of BookNookers all over our country
make this such a wonderful part of our lives. Each and every day we
experience a glow of warmth, caring and support no matter what turns up in
that day of living life. We manage to form friendships than can last a
lifetime. We share the good the bad and yes the beautiful. It will not
end in one day or one weekend but maybe each one of us out there will find
one of two forever friends.
To Carole #1, Carole #2, Carole #3, Laura and Wendy thank you for such a
joyful time. In spite of the wood chipper you carried around Carol and the
small hand axe you took to bed Dixie. We did have such a marvelous adventure.
Know what! They all have an accents except me!
Fondest Regards,
Jayne in Connecticut
Few things are more satisfying
than seeing your children have
teenagers of their own.
Subject: Re: a few short responses
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 06:08 PM EDT
From: Bonadie
Message-id: <1998042322085000.SAA06669@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Did someone ask about Boston?
Mike, I live in Arlington and work in Cambridge, both Boston suburbs, and
have lived in the area for 28 years (yikes!). I'd be happy to tell you
whatever I can about my fair city. Feel free to respond on this board or
e-mail me directly.
Carol
Carol
Subject: BABY!
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 06:30 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042322300900.SAA08083@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Shauna,
*+**A BABY GIRL **+*
We are so proud of you
and your wonderful family!
CONGRATULATIONS
on the world's best possible event
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: New Name
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 06:57 PM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998042322574200.SAA12888@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I don't know, Jackie, a new name, and you weren't wearing your glasses. How
do we know it's really you?
It was interesting to hear of several people's opinions regarding male
frontal nudity since I had just had a discussion in the store about the same
thing. Can we only assume that the men in suits are making these decisions
and not of them want comparisons made. Hey, guys, we've had to deal with
this all our lives!
Sue in Mi
Subject: (Queen of) Spam Alert!
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 07:25 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042323254800.TAA16468@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Coming out in May (or earlier...) is The SPAM Cookbook: Menus from Main
Street. Oh Leah, or Queen of Spam, doest thou' knowest this?
Sally (AKA Miss Sally in NJ)
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Pshaw
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:03 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998042400032700.UAA21390@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cheef-Your Simon certainly is a character. From your posts, I gather in your
house the game SImon Says has a whole new meaning. Regarding taking family
trips with Simon and his pronouncements, many moons ago we took the kids to
the west and drove for what seemed like forever to the Grand Canyon. Our then
14 year old Steven, got out of the car, looked over the rim, and said, "Oh, a
hole in the ground. Now let's go." To this day, he has no idea
how close he came to being pushed into that very hole by his loving mom.
Male frontal nudity-Talk about embarrassing situations! When my 87 year old
mom was visiting, we were watching TV. There was nothing on of interest and
then I saw there was a movie I had never heard of starring Dennis Hopper ( I
think he's an excellent actor). Anyway we tuned in and were enjoying a good
story when all of a sudden there was Dennis Hopper, all of him, as frontal as
you could get. I am not prude, nudity doesn't bother me, I've taken
life drawing classes (women nude, men jockstrapped), but I didn't know how to
react with my mom there. It would have been silly to change the channel, and
it seemed silly not to. We just sat silently, and thankfully, the scene
changed soon enough. I don't think it was the nudity as much as it was the
shock of seeing as much of Dennis as we did when not expecting it. Of
course, with more male frontal nudity, it wouldn't be so shocking, just as
female
nudity has become so common that it's so much less startling than it used to
be.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Red Oprah Face
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:09 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042400095700.UAA21038@ladder03.news.aol.com>
OK, you darling people, I messed up again, which is not unusual. <G> I put
this post in the Favorite Fiction folder and certainly meant to post it here
instead. Flay me with bananna peels and kind words. My Son Michael's
estranged Mother of his child's Mother will be on TV tomorrow. She is a
wonderful human being, we commiserate weekly on the phone and have
significant interaction and baby-pass-off
encounters. She is not at all subject to appearing on TV shows, quite the
contrary, usually. It should be interesting.
Subject: Oprah Friday
Date: Thu, Apr 23, 1998 6:41 PM
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042322412300.SAA10713@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Will my only remote claim to fame be that the "other" Grandmother of my
darling Grandson Michael will be having a make-over on Oprah's show tomorrow?
She and the classroom teacher with whom she works, along with their class at
St. Timothy's school here in Raleigh wrote a ransom note to the Oprah show
and were accepted. The kids had some very specific ideas for "optimal"
results. I would never have known except for the local 5:00 news. It
really was a cute idea.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: New Name
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:13 PM EDT
From: JackieML7
Message-id: <1998042400140000.UAA22719@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<I don't know, Jackie, a new name, and you weren't wearing your glasses.
How do we know it's really you?>>
Look below, Sue--is that better?
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <----Home of the JAZZ
Live your life as an exclamation...not an explanation.
~~~Author Unknown
Subject: Re: Albany Gathering
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:23 PM EDT
From: JackieML7
Message-id: <1998042400230900.UAA23839@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jayne, Dear Lady, I enjoyed your essay about the Albany meeting. Didn't I
tell you my sister is the greatest? Now do you believe me? <VBG>
There are a couple of things I need you ask you about, though, Lady Jayne:
1) << I would say not one of this group was shy except moi.>> What do
you mean except moi? Are you the Lady Jayne I met in Salt Lake City? <eg>
2) <<Know what! They all have an accents except me!>> Jayne, Jayne,
Jayne--will we never convince you that YOU are the one with the lovely
accent? ;)
I'm glad you all had a good time---I knew you would!!!
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <----Home of the JAZZ
Live your life as an exclamation...not an explanation.
~~~Author Unknown
Subject: Re: Name Change
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:44 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042400442000.UAA25290@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jackie,
Something is wrong with my vision. I have always "seen" Jackie imbedded in
your address anyway, dear and interesting one, so this changeover merely
simplifies your essence, which is quite positive and valuable.
Unfortunately, my alter egos would subsume more baggage heft than the weight
limit allows, and I would be thrown out of the plane, so I am jealous of your
plan to remain intact and separate in the different arenas of on-line
interest. Are
you the most organized person, or what? A wonderful idea.
Greenly,
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Albany Gathering
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:48 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042400481800.UAA27024@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear What's Her Name:
It took me six months to memorize your screen name now you have changed it.
Oh well, I must confess I like it.
Second of all I will confess I am shy I just work on being extraverted. <g>
And Third of all : Okay if you insist I will try to believe I have an accent.
But not very much. Only on cold beaa or suwa or car, harvard square. Okay
you win!!!!<VBG>
Glad you enjoyed the story. Your little sister is really a wonderful lady
like her sister.
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
Few things are more satisfying
than seeing your children have
teenagers of their own.
Subject: Albany
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:52 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042400524700.UAA27585@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jayne,
Your writing is better and ultimately more interesting than any Tabloid
reading at the grocery store check-out. It really means so much to the rest
of us to hear blow-by-blow descriptions of what must have been such a nice
time among friends. You left out nothing ( except, of course, when that
handsome lover of femaleness at Borders tried to take all four of you back to
his place), and we are enriched and enlightened by your wonderful encounter.
Thank you for sharing the event. We all should meet more often; you are
right. Friendship has many facets, and each one shines brightly.
Roe
Eor
It is most true, stilus virum arguit _ our style betrays us.
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Book Browsing
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 08:53 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042400531900.UAA26483@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Doe anybody agree that at certain times of the year it seems like so many
favorite authors have new books gracing the bookshelves. And now after
reading Mikes new releases message, I really think its true. But what about
new authors? Do you find yourself always going for the tried and
true?Consider the following.
While at B&N, the other day I was wondering around and found myeslf pouring
over their brochure DISCOVER GREAT NEW WRITERS. What most likely attracted
me was the announcement that J. Robert Lennon, author of Light of the Falling
Stars (which is one of our book group's next selelctions) had been named the
5th Annual Discover Great New Writers Awards for the above mentioned book.
This was accompanied by a blurb which I will most likely post to
the Reader's and Reading group folder later next month. But inside were the
titles of some other new books that B&N found impressive. I want to say that
these are first time authors but am not exactly sure so... Among the books
noted are:
AN INSTANCE OF THE FINGERPOST by IAIN PEARS
FALLING LEAVES by ADELINE YEN MAH
ROSE'S GARDEN by CARRIE BROWN
AN UNDERACHIEVER'S DIARY by BENJAMIN ANASTAS
ONCE IN A HOUSE ON FIRE by ANDREA ASHWORTH
OUTSIDE PASSAGE: A MEMOIR OF AN ALASKAN CHILDHOOD by JULIA SCULLY
One in particular really leaped out to me as I read this over my water at the
Cafe since I had just borrowed it from the library. The title is THE
MERMAIDS SINGING by LISA CAREY. Although I generally look at the dust cover
of all of the new books at least once, this one reached out and grabbed me
from the start (reminded me a little of the movie THE ROAN INISH which is
also based on a book) with its beautiful cover. And within two
lines, as the female character said in Jerry Maguire, "You had me at hello-
this book captivated me screaming "Take me home, you won't be sorry."
Here is a little of the blurb from the B&N brochure. But I'm not writing all
of it cause it might spoil some of the book for you.
THE MERMAID'S SINGING by LISA CAREY
Lisa Carey's parkling new debut novel is reminiscent of the much loved novels
of Maeve Binchy. In the voices of three generations of women descended from
a magical island off the west coast of Ireland, The Mermaids Singing engages
the reader with the warm promise of love's redemptive powers.
I'm planning on reading this title shortly and will let you know what I think
when I finish it.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: April/May non-fiction releases
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 09:31 PM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042401315300.VAA01582@ladder03.news.aol.com>
NRK -- Can't believe you're going to Yankee Stadium on Saturday. I'm
jealous. We're true blue Yankee fans having lived in New York most of my
life. Even though DS Michael was 2 when we moved to PA, he is an avid Yankee
fan. This year the baseball team he was drafted on is called The Yankees so
it is a dream come true for him to wear those colors. His uniform number is
7 for "The Mick" of course. Coincidentally, that's the name my DH calls him.
It should be quite a season.
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: The Strand
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 09:36 PM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042401364500.VAA02195@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I have been doing everything in my power this week to avoid buying any books
so that I can get what I want at the Strand -- This is not easy. I think
I'll just follow Nancy around and buy whatever she buys. LOL
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Delta Burke
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 10:05 PM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998042402054200.WAA05942@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hey, everyone,
Just returned from meeting Delta Burke at a book signing/fund raiser held by
the Literacy Council here. They have 4 authors a year, picked by their
sponsor, Books A Million, which is a bookstore I try not to go in,
but...anyway.
She actually has written a book, called Delta Style . We were each given a
copy & she signed them for us. She was a very open, down to earth, nice
looking person, (except her hair was shoe-polish black). She talked about
accepting your weight, her concerns about eating disorders, etc. She told us
she weighs 170 but I will say she didn't look it. She has developed diabetes,
so I think this must have caused a recent weight loss. She even
did a few lines from Designing Women for us at our request--she screamed
*Anthony* & *Consuela *. She doesn't have a Southern accent in real life, &
I told her that I thought DW was one of the few shows that did a decent job
with the accents. They even had more than 1 So accent, which I liked.
The head of the Literacy Council told me, when I asked about their choice of
authors, that they have better turnouts when they have *Celebrity* authors
rather than *real* authors. I think that is a crying shame. Rick Bragg (#1)
was the best, I didn't even go to The Last Valentine author one, & the last
one is going to be the Chicken Soup guy. Not my cup of soup, er tea. :) But
I did get my picture taken with Delta for my *wall
of shame* in my house.
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Congrats
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 10:09 PM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042402092700.WAA06476@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Congratulations Shauna -- what wonderful news.
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Angela's Ashes
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 10:10 PM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042402103500.WAA06613@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I just bought the audio for Angela's Ashes based on everyone's
recommendations. Since I absolutely loved the book, I can't wait to hear it
read by the author.
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Re: Worst movie
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 10:13 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998042402130400.WAA08153@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Ericka -
I agree with you on City of Angels. It was a very bad flick. I like Meg Ryan
and Nick Cage also. I thought the movie would never end.
Mercedes
Subject: Re: Albany
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 11:01 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042403011700.XAA14338@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Roe:
Love your comments. I think the grocery store tabloids are something else.
Ha!!! I really thought that guy would sweep us off our feet but he must have
known we were not interested. Ha.
Thank you glad you enjoyed it. Your humor is so wonderful!!!
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
Few things are more satisfying
than seeing your children have
teenagers of their own.
Subject: Re: Angela's Ashes
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 11:08 PM EDT
From: JackieML7
Message-id: <1998042403085700.XAA15257@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Got an e-mail from Powells today--no more used copies of Angela's Ashes 8(
But they did have everything else I ordered 8) Guess I'll have to wait
awhile. As if I don't have enough on Mt TBR (it's taking over my
house--yikes!)
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <----Home of the JAZZ
Live your life as an exclamation...not an explanation.
~~~Author Unknown
Subject: Re: Delta Burke
Date: Thu, 23 April 1998 11:12 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998042403123700.XAA15685@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Leslie,
If the Chicken Soup guy is Jack Canfield, do yourself a favor and go. I have
never attended one of his presentations or workshops that I didn't have a
great time. Including the one where he told us that he and Mark Victor Hansen
were going to be doing the first Chicken Soup book.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Book Browsing
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 12:21 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042404210300.AAA23864@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy--The Mermaids Singing is a reference to "The Lovesong of J. Alfred
Prufrock" (TS Eliot, you knew that :- ) ); rereading the poem might give
more meaning to the book. Sounds interesting.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: A great listen
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 01:23 AM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042405230000.BAA28124@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I have just finished listening to Decline and Fall by Evelyn Waugh. The book
is a riot and I found myelf laughing out loud, all by myself. The book is
funny but the reader is unbelievable. I have heard some terrific readers but
never anyone who threw himself into the characters like this one did. His
name is Michael Maloney and the book was taped in England by Sterling Audio
Books. I got it at the library and sure will look for more.
I guess I never thought of Waugh as a humorous writer but his characters in
this book are wonderfully funny and the reader embellishes the writing with
his marvelous characterizations.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Meow!
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 01:49 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998042405493900.BAA29936@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol - Thanks so much for the info on DH Lawrence. I guess he never came up
in my HS or college English courses. DH (mine) is a political scientist so
gave me that perspective but I definitely appreciated yours...and yourEnglish
teacher.
Marilu - CAVES! Yikes! I've been in those caves in Oregon (not by my
choice) and, my advice...don't try it. Almost as bad as being stuck in the
middle of a huge crowd! I'm with you on Susan Molinari...UGH! (Nearly as bad
as the caves.)
G'night to all...Lita
Subject: Thursday night
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 02:39 AM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998042406393400.CAA03977@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi fellow Nookers - it's been a busy couple of days, but I've caught up on
the posts. I'm surprised at the bad reviews of City of Angels - I loved the
movie Wings of Desire that it was based upon. (upon which it was based!!!)
One of my all time favorites.
After work tonight, we went to dinner to celebrate our roommate, Glenn's,
31st birthday - it was a silly dinner. We took him to Tiny Naylor's one of
our local favorites where we know every waiter, waitress and bus boy by name,
not to mention Fidel, the manager. Our waiter, Juan Jose, (or JJ as he likes
to be called) has a limited command of the English language, so our dinners
are often a surprise. One night DS#1 ordered a spinach omelette and gota
Spanish omelette instead. Tonight we ordered nachos but somehow just got
chips and salsa - never mind. They made Glenn his own cake, homemade, with
Happy Birthday Glenn written on it - too nice. Then we took him for a
gondola ride through the canals here on our little island. Our gondoleer was
Italian and sang a beautiful song for us under one of the bridges where the
tones were wonderful. The lights were on the water and couples
strollingalong the sides waved at us. Magical.
It was good for Glenn because his own family only called yesterday to invite
him out to celebrate on Sunday, then called today and told him they couldn't
see him this weekend, as they planned, because they'd forgotten they had a
golf tournament - so they'll call him next week to reschedule.
I loved the writeup of the Albany meeting - I look forward to one of my own
very soon - maybe May 21st?
I watched a good first part of a mystery on PBS tonight and then a
documentary on concentration camps - Czechs (sp?) who had kept diaries during
that period when they were children. Now I'll go finish Agatha Raisin, a
"good read" as we sometimes say -
Night all -
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: N Is For Noose
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 10:32 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998042414321100.KAA21860@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I am about a quarter of the way through Sue Grafton's new book, N Is For
Noose, and really enjoying it, not least because it takes place in Inyo
County. Nota Lake is a thinly disguised Bishop, and in her acknowledgements,
Grafton thanks Donna Milovich, of Spellbinder Books, which is my closest
bookstore, except for Amazon.
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Angela's Ashes/City of Angels
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 11:22 AM EDT
From: ShanOD
Message-id: <1998042415224300.LAA23928@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Just an offer as I'm trying to lessen the clutter in my house and car! I
have the audio version of Angela's Ashes if someone would like to borrow and
then pass on. Email if you're interested.
I saw "City of Angels" last week and graded it about a C except for some
wonderful scenes of angels on buildings and billboards. It gave a whole new
meaning to "men in black." And someone, please, give Meg Ryan a comb!
Shannon
reading? what am I reading these days?? Breakfast at the Victory
Subject: Re: Dinner with Erika
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 11:37 AM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998042415373301.LAA24892@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Erika and I met for chicken caesar salads late yesterday afternoon, and as
always, had a great visit. Then we went to our favorite book store, Kepler's
in Menlo Park, which has the very best author events, where I proceeded to
load up with books. Honestly, I hadn't intended doing that, what with Monday
at the Strand, but you know how it is with us bookworms. Even Erika, who
usually exercises an unbelievable amount of self-restraint in the
book-spending department, walked out with books! I got Colum McCann's new
one, THE SIDE OF BRIGHTNESS, Bebe Moore Campbell's SINGING IN THE COMEBACK
CHOIR, and Elizabeth Berg's WHAT WE KEEP, all of them signed! And finally I
bought KALIMANTAAN, a new first novel by C. S. Godshalk which has to have the
most beautiful cover and dust jacket I've seen in a long time. The cover
looks like a very exotic, tightly woven fabric with a finely-detailed
design in rose with pale buff and dark blue. The front has a gold diamond
laid sidewise across the front with KALIMANTAAN A Novel written in it in
black. The dust jacket has a lovely jungle scene in muted blues and a border
top and botton to match the cover. A diamond-shaped cut-out opens over the
gold diamond of the cover, allowing the title and the gold to show through.
Absolutely gorgeous! The sales people in the store say the book is
wonderful, twenty years in the writing. The inside dust jacket blurb says
this:
<<There are some stories so strange and yet full of heart that they are told
and retold in the bars and backwaters of the world. This is one of that rare
breed--a story of bizarre achievement and singular love.
One hundred and sixty years ago, a young Englishman founded a private
raj on the coast of Borneo. The world that resulted, boasting stone quays,
elegant gardens, churches, and musical levees, eventually encompassed a
territory the size of England, its expansion campaigns paid for in human
heads. In this world, a version of colonial Victorian society impacted with
one of the most violent cultures on earth. The results were often
startling--pockets of tenderness and extreme brutality appearing in odd
corners. A small tribe of fugitives, adventurers, criminals, and saints--the
madly talented and the simply mad--peopled this world. This is their story.
The deeper story resides in the realm of the heart. It is about love in
absurd conditions, the tenacity of it as well as our ability to miss it
repeatedly and with perverse genius.>>
The prose is said to be exquisite, and when I return from NYC, this will be
the first book I pick up.
Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides
us from truth. -Kahlil Gibran
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: Dorothy Allison
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 11:48 AM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998042415482300.LAA25616@ladder03.news.aol.com>
At Kepler's last night I heard Dorothy Allison read from her new book, which
I have almost finished--CAVEDWELLER. She has a marvelous ability to read, is
very dramatic and stresses the southernness of her speech, and along with
Chitra Divakaruni, is probably one of the two best I've heard reading their
own works. She talked about CAVEDWELLER being a book of redemption. She was
born and raised a Southern Baptist and says now she is a Zen
Baptist. She has done some caving, and said she wanted to explore the idea
of a girl being unable to find peace except deep underground totally cut off
from everything and how she was able to find forgiveness and redemption in
doing so. She also wanted to explore again, as she did in BASTARD OUT OF
CAROLINA, the way in which women make again and again difficult choices which
affect not only their lives, but those of others, especially their
children. She also talked of how now having a child, her son Wolf (yes,
that's his name!), has opened up a whole new part of her brain, a whole new
set of experiences. Wolf was with her, and her partner Alex. He is a very
bright, happy child who stuck his tongue out at the audience when she held
him up to the microphone, and AnnRumsey--he was wearing a Davis-Kidd hat!
I got my book signed, of course!
Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides
us from truth. -Kahlil Gibran
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: A great listen
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 01:58 PM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042417585100.NAA04574@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol--Have you ever read The Loved One? It, too, is hilarious. Whispering
Pines is Waugh's not-so-subtle parody of Forest Lawn, a place my son calls
the "Disneyland of Death."
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Book Browsing
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 02:12 PM EDT
From: Spumony2
Message-id: <1998042418123900.OAA05590@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy and Judi-Yentabusta,
Okay, now you've done it. I must go buy The Mermaids Singing by Lisa Carey.
"The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" is MY FAVORITE POEM, and the line Judi
is referring to is MY FAVORITE LINE (even though it is sad). Forgive any
mistakes because I'm going to try to do this from memory.
Shall I part my hair behind?
Do I dare to eat a peach?
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
I do not think they sing to me.
You know how a poem or song or book speaks directly to your heart at certain
times in your life? Well, this verse did it for me, along with the line, "I
have measured out my life with coffeespoons." Love T. S. Eliot - named my
cat after him. `,)
*Clutching my heart and sighing* (BTW, go see the movie City of Angels; it
made me do the same thing.)
Spumony2 / Cathy `,)
Laughter is the language of the soul.
Pablo Neruda
Subject: Re: Albany Gathering
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 02:15 PM EDT
From: RJER16
Message-id: <1998042418150300.OAA05770@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jayne--loved hearing about your Albany trip. What fun to meet face to face
with a
group that you already feel you know from the Nook. I had the pleasure of
meeting
someone from the Nook last summer,Larkann. I don't think she follows this
forum
anymore. But we had hit it off and kept in touch. I will have to admit that
when she
was in my town visiting her sister and we met for lunch, I was totally very
nervous.
We did have a lovely lunch, though and still keep in touch. Hope other
Nookers that
get together will tell their stories. Maybe I will be lucky enough to be in
the right
place sometime and can join a lunch bunch.
Cheef--enjoyed the story about the little boy and the piano and story about
your
son.
Reading(just finished)Fear Nothing by Dean Koontz
There's no such thing as a bad
day. They're all good. Some are a little better than others but they're
all good. Armin V, Eilts
Ruth
Subject: Re: Angela's Ashes/City of Angels
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 03:14 PM EDT
From: EACurran
Message-id: <1998042419141000.PAA11734@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shannon - My thought exactly! I kept wishing Meg Ryan would pick up a comb or
brush the whole movie! Also, I did like the scenes in the library (when they
are all gathered and leaning over), on the beach when they gathered, and how
they would be about the city. There just weren't enough of those moments.
Please include me in the loop of receiving and passing on the Angeles Ashes
audio tape. I enjoyed the book, and it sounds from all the comments like it
would be fun to hear the story in his voice.
Erika
Subject: hmmm - vedy interesting
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 03:32 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998042419325100.PAA12118@ladder03.news.aol.com>
( re. singing mermaids)
" I do not think that they will sing to me,
I have seen them riding seaward on the waves,
Combing the white hair of the waves blown back,
When the wind blows the water white and black.
We have lingered in the chambers of the sea,
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown,
Till human voices wake us, and we drown."
Subject: Please welcome Jude 16333!!!
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 04:12 PM EDT
From: E1 BOZ
Message-id: <1998042420123200.QAA16907@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi Nookers,
Met another reader in another online chat room this morning and I sent her
directions to get here and told her she would find this to be a great place.
So Judy/Jude 16333, if you are out there, WELCOME to the Book Nook.. Hang out
a while and read the posts, and soon you will find that you have made a whole
bunch of new friends and also you will find all kinds of reading suggestions
and book reviews and information on life in general and OURS in
particular. All of my fellow Book Nook People, let's make Judy feel welcome.
Carole #1 In Upstate NY, currently reading "Evening Class, by Maeve Binchy."
"If you are not afraid to face the music, you may one day lead the band"...
Subject: Re: Please welcome Jude 16333!!!
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 04:22 PM EDT
From: Jude 16333
Message-id: <1998042420224200.QAA16629@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol, thank you so much for the welcome and introduction to Book Nook am
sure I will enjoy it. Hey !!!!, all you Book People !!!!
Subject: Re: April/May non-fiction releases
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:06 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042421064200.RAA21972@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy- you wrote<<NRK -- Can't believe you're going to Yankee Stadium on
Saturday. I'm jealous. We're true blue Yankee fans having lived in New York
most of my life.>>
Not only are we going to Yankee Stadium tomorrow (when I really planned on
spending the day in the basement) but they are celebrating the 50th
anniversary of the stadium also. Well, I also enjoy a happening and it sure
beats the basement. I never really got much into loving either the Yankeees
or Dogers but when I was 9 I saw the Boradway show of Damn Yankees and from
that time on, I would tell everybody I adored the Yanks. Imagine my face
when DH
and I were in the same elevator as Mickey Mantle. I was dating Bruce at the
time and it is one of our more memorable sightings during that time of our
lives.
Come to think of it there must be something about elevators and our family.
The other day our DD was in one on her way to her office when she mentioned
out loud how she thought more elevators were needed in this building. The
man next to her smiled as he was laughing. When DD reached her floor and
exited the elevator, her co-worker who had witnessed this, asked Mich if she
knew who he was----SPIKE LEE!!! Talk about being oblivious.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: The Strand
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:10 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042421100500.RAA21060@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy and others who will be at The Strand- one of the true pleasures of
being there with other readers I know is that strangers don't look at me
cockeyed when I'm ohhing and ahhing. You have no idea how many times I also
try to strike up a conversation with a person in a bookstore or library as
they're looking over a book and they react as if I was NUTS!!!!
BTW - I am also trying very hard NOT to buy any books till Monday but I am
feeling so deprived.
Can't wait to see what treasures will be found on Monday. Wish you all could
also be along with us.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Induction & Mystery
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:10 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042421100600.RAA22289@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Warren (aka Luigi): Now that I can reread your post without quite so many
tears streaming down my face like they did when I first read it, I can say
THANK YOU! It brought me a big smile and made me laugh even as I was crying!
Please tell Mickey in your next chat to tell
Sunny I miss him, but that I'm so glad that all the little angel dogs love
him and that he's so happy there with all that playing and petting and
cookies! << And best of all -- there were no sick or hurting dogs in the
whole wonderful place. Not even one. >> That's the best part! You know,
it's funny, my very first dog (from my pre-school days) was named Mickey. I
remember all of them, and Sammy, my big black cat that we had all the years
my kids
were growing up. I guess they're all up there together now. It must be one
big happy place!
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Judi and Roe
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:15 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042421153600.RAA22750@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Judi - is J. Prufrock the one with the lines "comings and goings?" I often
use this when so many students want to leave the room for whatever.
In the meantime I was puttering around upstairs at 4 and decided to turn on
Oprah. Sure enough, like some of Roe's messages, I was crying. Not only
that I actually sat down and watched till the "other grandmother" was made
over. OH my- you have never seen such a transformation. This woman emerged
looking so stylish and much younger. Know what - SIGN ME UP. Actually my
dream is to be selelcted for one fo Oprah's book club meetings.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Shauna's Baby
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:20 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042421203300.RAA22019@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Welcome to the world, Shauna's new baby girl!
Here's a little teddy bear to welcom her!
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Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Book Browsing
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:27 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042421271100.RAA22667@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Beautiful poem you mentioned, Judi. For those who would like to read the
whole poem, you can find it at The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock, by T.
S....
The last section of it reads:
I grow old . . . I grow old . . .
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
I do not think that they will sing to me.
I have seen them riding seaward on the waves
Combing the white hair of the waves blown back
When the wind blows the water white and black.
We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Resolutions
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:35 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042421351700.RAA24612@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Remember when I resolved around the end of December to only read my OWN
books, not visit the library everyday and never reserve anything??? For
awhiel I was doing well. Of the 33 books I've read so far this year, at least
half were mine and only two were reserves. But today I really blew it,
folks.
Brought home the following titles:
Crystal Clear by Jane Heller
Heller is one very funny author. Reminds me of Susan Isaacs. If you want to
LOL, read her first book Cha Cha Cha.
The All-True Travels and Adventures of Liddie Newton by Jane Smiley
I think that quite a few have already mentioned reading or reserving this
one. For those who enjoyed These is My Words and Beween Earth and Sky, this
may be another for our westward ho readings.
The Rich Man's Table by Scott Spencer
This book is by the author of Endless Love (the movie starred Brooke Shields)
and Waking the Dead, both titles I rally enjoyed. The cover is also quite
intriguing- a half coverd face of Bob Dylan who figures porminently into the
book.
The Pilot's Wife by Anita Shreve
Many of you already know that I love most of Shreve's books. Really looking
forward to this one.
The Student Body by Jane Harvard
This is probably going to be one of those beach books- not sure if I'll
actually read it. It is written by 4 graduates of Harvard and the plot is
loosely based on a prostitution ring which was uncoveed at Brown University
in 1986.
And as if that wasn't enough, I RESERVED the following:
The Short History of a Prince by Jane Hamilton
The Archivist by Martha Cooley
The Ballad of Frankie Silver by Sharyn McCrumb
A Legacy of Silence by Belva Plain
You Belong to Me by Mary Higgins Clark
Storng for Potatoes by Cynthia Thayer ( she has been compared to Dorothy
Allison and Barbara Kingsolver)
BTW - the Plain and Clark's new books are read for sentimental reasons.
So what am I doing here - must read, read, read - these are all two week
books!
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Please welcome Jude 16333!!!
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:37 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042421371200.RAA23581@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judy/Jude 16333, Welcome to Book Nook People. Join us in our chat. You can
even have some fresh cookies (::) (::) (::) (::) (::) (::) and a cup of
coffee `__D with us if you like.
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Judi and Roe
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:44 PM EDT
From: Spumony2
Message-id: <1998042421444800.RAA24314@ladder03.news.aol.com>
"In the rooms, the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo..."
This is fun -- I feel like I'm in high school literature class again!
Spumony2 / Cathy `,)
Laughter is the language of the soul.
Pablo Neruda
Subject: Re: Trauma & Movies
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:44 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042421445400.RAA25532@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cheef, I love your Simon stories. It must have been fun having a little Owen
Meany character around! I WANT MORE SIMON STORIES! It reminded me a
little of something my son, Scott, said when he was small. We were looking
for a parking place at the mall and someone darted out in front of me when he
says "I GUESS HE DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TO LIVE
FOR!"
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Judi and Roe
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:47 PM EDT
From: Spumony2
Message-id: <1998042421470600.RAA25771@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<Judi - is J. Prufrock the one with the lines "comings and goings?" I often
use this when so many students want to leave the room for whatever.>>
Oh, I just remembered that that saying is in one of the psalms too, something
like, "May the Lord bless your comings and goings..." Can anyone help here?
Spumony2 / Cathy `,)
Laughter is the language of the soul.
Pablo Neruda
Subject: Re: Book Browsing
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:49 PM EDT
From: Spumony2
Message-id: <1998042421494400.RAA26008@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks, Barbara! I couldn't find my copy of the poem .
Spumony2 / Cathy `,)
Laughter is the language of the soul.
Pablo Neruda
Subject: Re: Trauma and Movies
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 05:55 PM EDT
From: Spumony2
Message-id: <1998042421553200.RAA25419@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I lurk for months, and now I can't shut up! Two movies traumatized me as a
child: Tommy, the rock opera by The Who and The Island of Dr. Moreau with
Michael York. I saw both when I was about eight or nine because my father
wanted to see them. Oof, the nightmares. When the remake of The Island of
Dr. Moreau came out a few years ago, I told my movie-loving DH and friends
that they would have to see it without me. Funny
what stays with you.
I'm so looking forward to MariLu, Judi, and Lita, and other SoCal Nookers
getting together next month. Shall we do chocolate again, ladies?
Have a fun weekend, everyone.
Spumony2 / Cathy `,)
Laughter is the language of the soul.
Pablo Neruda
Subject: Finally posting.
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 06:03 PM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998042422035300.SAA26254@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Aol is acting up again. I almost finished this post and they bumped me off.
I hav not given up on all of you. I could not get the laptop to connect to
AOL in Pensacola, and when I got home all hell broke loose with the
construction. I will save the boring details, but I will tell you that I
have not even had time to read.
To catch up:
I want you to know that I take Judi's request around her son's wedding very
seriously.
I want all of you who are planning to go to arrive early for practice.
Dancing dirty on a tabletop sober is not an easy thing to do, and I have
enlisted my friend Leslie to help me with all of you who have never indulged
in this particular bit of foolishness. We deep Southern girls are well known
for our bad behavior, so this comes naturally to loose women like Leslie and
me. But the rest of you, do not worry. We will beat you into shape.
Remember this is for Judi!
First, all of you must get your navels pierced for a navel ring. They are
such the thing these days, and do not complain---I could have suggested a
nose or tongue ring. You also must remember that there will be no drinking
before our dancing. Humiliation is so much easier that way.
I am also counting on the rest of you Southern girls to help me with these
resistant girls from the NAWTH. Roe, that especially means you. And Cissy,
you, too. Roe, I know that you have promised to write this up, but you can
see so much more from the table. And Cissy, if you agree, we will let it be
your birthday.
If you cannot arrive early for practice, then please contact Leslie or me
ahead of time so that we can send you a detailed group of instructions to
practice. Remember as you worry about embarrassing yourself, this is for
Judi! I would not ask this of you for just any occasion. The Maniac has
promised to help me keep you all in line.
( Warren, if you can get that hip moving, your leadership in this matter
would help a lot. We do have a few people in this group who say they are
shy, like Jayne, and I need you to egg her on.)
Further matters--
Shauna, we are all thrilled about the birth of your daughter. Jealous,
really. You get to hold that sweet-smelling bundle and play with that
darling girl. Get all the sleep you can!
Judy, welcome to Booknook. We are really not this crazy all of the time,
just most of the time. I know you will like it here.
Nancy, one of my dreams is to go to Oprah, too. Why don't we write her and
tell her about Booknook? Or would we ruin it? You decide.
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Re: Red Oprah Face
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 06:05 PM EDT
From: DCDLSD
Message-id: <1998042422050200.SAA27578@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Roe,
You may have your grandson to yourself. He may not recognize his other
Granny.
She looked great!
Lynne in Houston
currently reading SORT OF RICH
Subject: Re: Book Browsing
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 06:37 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998042422374500.SAA29675@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Two of my favorite passages from literature:
I should have been a pair of ragged claws,
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas.
Prufrock
And:
O lost, and by the wind grieved, Ghost, come back again.
Look Homeward, Angel by Thomas Wolfe
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Re: Trauma & Movies
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 06:41 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998042422412900.SAA01421@ladder01.news.aol.com>
We have a neighbor who loves electronic toys. He had the first VCR I ever
saw. A Sony Betamax. Every Saturday night, he would record Saturday Night
Live and on Sunday, we would go to their house for dinner, watch SNL and then
The Hardy Boys. One night, as we were enjoying SNL (back in the Dan
Ackroyd-John Belushi days), Simon nudged me, gave me a knowing look and said,
"Wouldn't it be funny if Saturday Night Live was on Saturday?"
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Prufrock/Mary Coral
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 06:48 PM EDT
From: KarenLLS
Message-id: <1998042422484200.SAA00938@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh, I love Prufock also! This is such fun. I've had times in my life where
I could not go to sleep without a nip of Frost or a swig of Eliot. I've
posted by response in the poetry folder, however, since it is lengthy. I
just can't rhapsodize compactly, and non-poetry lovers will be snoring four
words into it. : )
--------
Welcome back, Mary Coral! Glad you're back, and in a table-dancing mood.
Shall I supply the Seven Veils for those women who don't like heights?
Karen in Alabama, who just finished Ellen Gilchrist's Anabasis, and may
start Oliver Sacks' An Anthropologist on Mars. Or should I just switch to
comic books for fun?
Subject: Re: Chocolate
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 07:18 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998042423184300.TAA03874@ladder03.news.aol.com>
CATHY-SPUMONI--<<Shall we do chocolate again, ladies?>>SOB, SOB! I can't eat
chocolate!!!! I'm allergic to it! Can I have butterscotch or strawberry,
caramel, or blueberry cheesecake, and just watch you guys eat chocolate,
smell it, and eat my heart out?
Cheef--I WANT MORE SIMON STORIES! Me too!
Hey, Jude! Welcome!
JUDI--I loved THE LOVED ONE in college. What fun! I oughta go back and read
that again. I think of it whenever I hear Whoopi Goldberg talk about putting
makeup on corpses for a living before she made it in comedy. (Remember the
makeup artist?) She said it was a good job, because her customers stayed
still and never complained.
SUE IN MI--LOL--touche!
Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides
us from truth. -Kahlil Gibran
Mari Lu
Subject: not exercising self-restraint
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 07:39 PM EDT
From: EACurran
Message-id: <1998042423390800.TAA05376@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mari Lu was right, I did not have my usual self restraint yesterday. I set
out to buy Irving's and Tyler's new books, neither available yet at the book
store where I usually shop. Instead, in the morning I bought:
AMERICAN PASTORAL, Philip Roth (for our reading group)
THE LIGHT OF FALLING STARS, J Robert Lennon (also for our reading group)
THE PERSIAN PICKLE CLUB, Sandra Dallas (I had looked with this several times
before)
THE SIZE OF THOUGHTS, Nicholson Baker (essays, on the bargain table, made me
think about Jackie's "dessert books." Cute cover - a hat with lines measuring
along the side and bottom)
Now that right there should have been enough, but as soon as I walked into
the used book store where Mari Lu and I were meeting, I spotted and had to
buy:
"TAYLORS GUIDE TO SHADE GARDENING" (it has great pictures)
Then, Mari Lu walked in and brought me a copy of:
LOVE MEDICINE, Louise Erdrich (my first one of her's)
That again should have been quite enough. But when we walked into Kepler's I
spotted and ALSO had to buy:
WHAT WE KEEP, Elizabeth Berg (signed, and another one of my favorite authors)
I picked it up and carried it as I continued looking around. Within minutes
Mari Lu walked up to me holding a book, saying, "Look what I found." It was
Berg's book, of course. We both bought it.
Also bought yesterday (for those of you still reading!):
- outdoor furniture
- a CD set found in the book store - "Classical Music for Readers, Specially
selected triumphs in Classical Music appealing specifically to the decidated
reader," and
- mint, that I will plant in the yard this weekend to use in the ice tea I
will drink while sitting in the new chaise reading and listening to the
reader's music
Now I just have to figure out how to take an extended absence from my job!
Erika, inviting any and all who want to come and sit in the shade with me and
read (but the outdoor end tables will be just a bit too small for dancing on,
I'm afraid)
Subject: Re: Book Browsing
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 08:27 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998042500274600.UAA09876@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cheef - lovely quotes. Prufrock gets more and more relevant the older I get.
I wrote a great paper on it in college where I interpreted the last verse as
symbolizing the evolution of humans from the sea (until human voices waked us
and we drowned) - after reading it again in Warren's post, I still think it
holds up - blew my teacher away.
A line of a poem that's stayed with me forever -
Love's boat has smashed against existence
And we are quits with life.
And, all my life, Oh, Western Wind, when wilt thou blow,
That the small rain down can rain.
Christ, that my love were in my arms
And I in my bed again.
I assume everyone knows that one. Anonymous - maybe one of the first
anonymous?
Time for dinner - the big question of every day - what and where?
Subject: Re: Love One
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 09:14 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042501141800.VAA13861@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Wrong Carol answers - I always found this a hoot! Kind of black humor - but
still a hoot
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: RE: New Baby Girl
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 09:27 PM EDT
From: MOGMNY
Message-id: <1998042501271300.VAA15215@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shauna, congrats on the newest arrival..... what have you named her? I'm so
glad she is finally here.... Im sure you feel the same way.
Love, MO in SB
Subject: Friday's Visit
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 09:29 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042501290500.VAA15397@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Enjoying the visit with T S Eliot & crew - give me the Waste Land any day! I
once found a wonderful book in a pile of remainders- printed to look like a
scrapbook - contains Eliot's scribbles & plans for the above work - felt like
reading someone else's mail. I love leafing through it.
Just finished reading SNOW IN AUGUST - a little too much baseball in it for
me - but I loved the mix of reality & magic. Slightly reminiscent of
another great book - A BOY'S LIFE by Robt. McCammon - I recommended this for
years & finally a few people listened - & loved it. Anyone here try it yet?
SNOW certainly knows how to pile on the nasty happenings to the point where
it really demands a magic Golem to save the world.
Hope to be all ready for the big trip by today - ha ha - but knew I wouldn't.
Spent the time taking Alex to an eye doctor & doing everyone else's chores -
oh well - there's always tomorrow. Since I leave here around 5:30 Sunday
morning, tomorrow is all there is. (after golf, that is)
Guess I better get my voluminous book list in order - priority one!
The Maniac of Marco
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Book Browsing
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 09:30 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042501303300.VAA15560@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara - thanks for this link to the poem by TS Eliot.
My what an interesting discussion ensued over my mentioning a book titled The
Mermaids Singing. Now if we only stuck to book, look at what we would have
missed. Not that discussing books only is bad, except that as somebody once
said our reading experiences encompasses much more than our books. We also
bring to a book our own lives and take away from books somebody else's as
well. Or something like that.
Mary Coral- if you write the letter I'll definitely sit next to you on the
Oprah show. I'm afraid if I wrote anything to Oprah I would embarrass all of
you with my typos. Here you people are accustomed to my oops errors but her
people might not be able to figure out my lingo.
Erika- your message reminded me of a friend I used to shop with. We aways
had a pact- the one who spent the most paid for lunch. The way we figured it
was, if you spent so much money, you wouldn't mind spending a little more.
So, I'm dreaming of lunch on you.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: entering the Twilight Zone?
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 09:33 PM EDT
From: EACurran
Message-id: <1998042501331800.VAA14626@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Did any one else see posts here this morning from Schmerguls and Cheef about
Dickens' books? I swear I saw some, but now can't find them anywhere. I
emailed Cheef, who recalls some posts a long time ago. I didn't notice the
dates on the posts this morning, assuming they were current. I went back to
find them because I wanted to respond. Did I fall into a time warp? Warren? I
wasn't reading anywhere except Readers and Reading.
I'll respond anyway! Schmerguls was asking about Dickens' books, listed as he
usually does dates he finished which books, and asked about which books
others might recommend. Cheef responded. I wanted to tell about the
following: My daugher is a college freshman in Tacoma, Washington (Shannon
country) and one of her grandmothers (my DMIL) lives in Florida. The two
decided by phone to choose the same book and read it "together." When both
were here for
Easter they went out on a book hunting trip and brought home Dicken's Great
Expectations!
Erika, feeling like Cathy, also lurking for a long time and now can't keep
quiet
Subject: This and that, here and now
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 09:34 PM EDT
From: Gina125
Message-id: <1998042501345300.VAA16044@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shauna: Congratulations on the new arrival I know you and your
family are really enjoying her. And, I know she is beautiful. Hope to
see her picture soon in Fredonia art gallery.
f We have some new babies at our house too. My DS's dog, Sugar, just had
puppies yesterday morning--five of them. They are adorable but, of course, I
haven't really
gotten to see them much yet. She is such a good mother, so protective.!
My DS announced his engagement while he was home on leave. He has been
going with this girl for the past 3 years. He was hesitant to let us know,
however, because he
didn't know how we would take it since he had just started his marine
enlistment. We are very happy for both of them and for us. She is such a
lovely girl and we already love her.
Anyway, they have no definite plans for when it will be. But, she called me
yesterday and said she had chosen her wedding dress and bought a pattern for
her mother to make.
Jackie, would you like to make a little wager on the basketball series
between the
Rockets and the Jazz? As you know, the Rockets are the underdogs but, the
game
last n ight was good with them winning 103 to 90. Of course, the rockets
have really had a bad season so that might be the only one they win. Whaddya
think?
Book talk: I just finished reading BOOKED TO DIE by Dunning and I gave
it an A+.
Can't wait to read BOOKMAN'S WAKE. And to think, I had it in my hot little
hands when I was at the library a couple of days ago but since I was trying
to reform and not bring so many books home each time I left it. So, I'm
reading RABBIT, RUN by John Updike now.
My sister has been trying to get me to read the RABBIT books for years so I
decided to start. Right now, I am undecided about this one.
Hope all of you have a good weekend.
Gina in Houston
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even
touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller
Subject: Cheef found them
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 09:39 PM EDT
From: EACurran
Message-id: <1998042501392300.VAA16539@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cheef just emailed me -- she found the posts! They are down below, in reading
literature, from last fall! Guess I guess I just got lost this morning. Not
sure how I did that. Thanks, Cheef!
Erika
Subject: Re: Welcome
Date: Fri, 24 April 1998 10:18 PM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998042502183200.WAA19544@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Welcome to Judy, any friend of Carole's is a friend to us all! You'll learn
to love it here, you'll learn to cry with us, laugh with us and read with us.
It's the best little cyber world!
I saw the "other grandmother" on Oprah. My daughter couldn't believe it
when I asked her to remind me when Oprah was on today. I told her a friend
of a friend was going to be on. The makeover was terrific, Roe, tell her I
love the new hair color!
I have often thought that Booknook would be an interesting subject for an
Oprah show. Many of us could meet on the show! But we couldn't tell the
world where our little spot is, people have to find us thru whatever means
available, not thru publicity on TV! It would be good to show the world that
there are lovely things on-line besides XXX pictures of real girls.
Nancy, I have a hard time, too, not talking to people about the books
they're picking up in bookstores. And an even harder time if they're looking
at a book by one of our own authors. I saw a man in an airport recently
reading Nathan's Run and I just had to interrupt him and ask if he was
enjoying it. He was loving it, John, and told me just where he was in the
story.
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: T.S. Eliot
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 01:30 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042505302700.BAA08976@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy--The women coming and going and talking of Michaelangelo are in "The
Wasteland." I love Eliot's poetry. I cried when he died--and he was such an
"anti-Semite besstid," as Mel Brooks would have called him.
BTW, Nancy--this prostitution ring that was, ahem, uncovered at Brown in
1986?? This is true? My daughter graduated from Brown in 1986. Hmmmmm.
Either she told me and I forgot (I go to sleep, perchance to dream, and I
forget everything) or else I never knew. More likely the former. CRS.
In a few hours I have to wake up to go to the airport to go to Yu Nawk! So
if I have to wake up soon, it might be a good idea to go to sleep first. I
CRS, but damn! I'm logical.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Please welcome Jude 16333!!!
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 01:33 AM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042505331700.BAA10410@ladder01.news.aol.com>
A big BN hello and welcome to Jude16333. You have found a wonderful place so
stick around and enjoy.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Finally posting.
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 01:38 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042505384600.BAA10811@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mary Coral--I hope all the others take you seriously because I most assuredly
do. This is not a frivolous matter. I know none of you would want to ruin
my DS's wedding day, so the practice time you put in will be well worth it.
We have rented a beautiful Victorian mansion right on the beach and will have
it for a week so there will be ample time for the Suthin'
hootchy-kootchy dancers to arrive early and leap upon the tables with gay yet
sober abandon. You all have your jobs to do. You know what they are. Please
do not let me down. I am counting on every one of you. (And if you think I
wouldn't adore having you all there, you've got me figured all wrong. It
could be an all BN reunion before Michigan in August. Just think how good
your dancing would be by then!)
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Red Oprah Face
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 01:40 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042505402000.BAA09674@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh, Lynne! You're reading Sort of Rich. I loved, loved, loved that book!
Talk about people acting and talking at cross purposes. I think it's
Wilcox's best. Tell me what you think!
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: A great listen
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 01:42 AM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042505421700.BAA11043@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Judi - Yes indeed I had read The Loved Ones many years ago but had forgotten
about it. It too was a real hoot. Thanks for reminding me of it.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Prufrock/Mary Coral
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 01:46 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042505460100.BAA11260@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Karen--Hold off on the comic books and read An Anthropologist on Mars.
Wonderful book. Every chapter is fascinating, but I found the chapter on
Temple Grandin, the austistic college professor (am I remembering this
correctly?) particularly affecting--the way she built a hugging machine
because she needed to be hugged but couldn't stand to be hugged by people.
Sacks is a mensch. I wrote to him about 10 years ago when I lost my senses
of taste and smell and nothing had restored them. He wrote back to me on his
typewriter that looked as if it had been in hard use since 1857 and suggested
several people for me to contact, both here and in Europe, about an article I
had written about my problem. He wrote me several times and could not have
been more compassionate. A really decent human being.
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Book Browsing
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 01:52 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042505520800.BAA10405@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Oh, Nancy, you are in BIG trouble!! If the one who spends the most pays for
the lunch, 14 of us will be your honored guests on Monday. That was some
book list you posted tonight. I think they take all credit cards at Silver
Palace. Or else you can make dim sum for a week and work it off. Thanks for
your generosity! Whatta pal!
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: This and that, here and now
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 01:58 AM EDT
From: WriteJudi
Message-id: <1998042505582600.BAA12015@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Gina in Houston--Congratulations on your DS's engagement. What a happy time!
And just think--you will have live and very professional table dancers at his
wedding if you just sound the call. The Southern contingent is starting to
shimmy. I picture them like the men in the unemployment line in "The Full
Monty."
The four Rabbit books were/are on my all-time favorite list. Parts very sad,
other parts LOL funny, all very genuine. Such a vivid picture of a man's
life. After each book I knew another would be coming along, but after Rabbit
at Rest I was so let down because unless there is a Rabbit Resurrected,
that's all he wrote. :- (
Judi
A powerful agent is the right word. Whenever we come upon one of those
intensely right words in a book or newspaper the resulting effect is physical
as well as spiritual, and electrically prompt.
--Mark Twain
Subject: Re: New to this board
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 07:56 AM EDT
From: Brownis23
Message-id: <1998042511562900.HAA23858@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I have been silently lurking here trying to read all 1400+ posts and get to
know you all by your words. You are all delightful. I wish I had done it
sooner so I could have gone to Albany to meet some of you. I live in Central
New York so it's just a hop, skip and a jump for me. If you ever get together
again, I'll be there. I love this board. You are all so supportive of each
other and obviously love each other. I think I have found a
home. May I?
Maureen "What goes around, comes around"
Subject: Re: T.S. Eliot
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 08:19 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042512194200.IAA23676@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judi- Thanks again for the info on The Wasteland- sort of describes some of
those students who always interrupt my lessons and have to leave the room.
Oh now Nancy if you continue to talk like that yoy'll never nmake it onto
Oprah as a makeover beloved teacher.
About Brown- the authors said it was loosely based on the story at Brown
although they did acknowledge that it really did happen there. And these
days when I post anywhere I try to be oh so very PC. Ha Ha - LOL - ROTFL -
as if me with my big mouth could ever worry or care about being PC. You
know, some of us just either tell it like it is or how we see it. Can you
tell that at 8:12 in the morning my hormones are raging and I need to walk to
alleviate this aggression. LOL
Yes, one by one they will be heading for NY- from Ca. comes Mari Lu, Judi and
Celesta? From Florida comes Carol. From Pa. comes Nancy and Suzanne, from
New Jersey comes, Sally and Joann, from the city comes Nina, Warren and
Mercedes, from Westchester comes Jan and last but surely not least from Long
Island comes Barb. And me I'm stopping over from the 4th rock from the
Hudosn. Rememeber that song They're Coming to America sung by Neil Diamond
in
the remake of The Jazz Singer - hum the tune and we'll add in our own words-
They're Coming to New York.....
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: T.S. Eliot
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 08:55 AM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998042512553301.IAA25063@ladder03.news.aol.com>
My advisor in college got her PhD at the University of Chicago. At one point
during her tenure there, T.S. Eliot visited the school. There was a grand
dinner party given by the English department and she found herself seated not
too far from him. She was so excited!!! Wisdom at the feet of the master!!!
She said his dinner conversation was a boring debate as to the proper
components of a salad dressing. So much for genius.
Subject: Re: New to this board
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 09:15 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998042513155300.JAA25946@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Maureen,
Post just once and you become an instant family member. Welcome to you! I
think it was last year when a group met for the first time in NYC and one
person was a lurker who had never posted and she was welcomed with open arms.
Some of us are meeting for a Bookstock 98' session in Michigan during
August. It's a long way from NY but plan a mini vacation and join us in
Michigan's Upper Peninsula on the shores of Lake Superior.
Subject: Re: New to this board
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 10:01 AM EDT
From: KarenLLS
Message-id: <1998042514014400.KAA29780@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi Maureen!
Sure, come on board! I just read your profile and you might like the
gardening and music folders, too, although the music folder has been invaded
by aliens in Nookers bodies. Heck they're still fun, so we let them post.
There are only 1400 messages for you to read? Gosh darn, you're way ahead
of me. I just found out the Shauna was pregnant : )
Karen in Alabama, out of lurk mode like Spumony & Erika.....
Subject: Albany Meet
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 10:05 AM EDT
From: YiYi125
Message-id: <1998042514050700.KAA29989@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I don't post often but I was at the Albany meeting with the Carole's, Laura
and 'shy' Jayne. It was a wonderful time and I enjoyed meeting everyone.
Once I convinced DH I had not been kidnapped by a group of crazies from
inside my computer, we went to dinner and more conversation (no typing
necessary). It was a great experience.
We have a new 'addition' to this empty nest. We have acquire a new puppy.
It is a miniature pinscher-looks like a doberman but is only 4 lbs and won't
get any bigger than 8-10 lbs. Her name is Pandora. We have already had some
problems. We had her about 4 weeks when she broke her right front paw
chasing the cat up the stairs. This required micro-surgery by a board
certified ortho Vet. (in other words $$$$$)
She had the surgery and was recuperating at home nicely when she attempted to
jump on DH's favorite chair. Yes-she then broke her left front paw-same
break, same surgery. So now, she is in a padded crate, only gets out to walk
on a lead in the yard. She is not too happy with her situation she wants to
run and jump but the vet says she will become more sturdy with age (she is
only 4 mos old) but I think she may outlive me (worse that a baby!!)..
So much for my tale of woe, good news is our son got engaged on Easter
Sunday. We like her a lot, she is going to school to continued her
education. She will have her RN when she finishes.
Started golf lessons last week and having a great time. Now I only have to
practice, practice, practice.
Shy Jayne, who has accent? I only met one person at the Albany meet with an
accent-can you guess who?
Boy I am winded-I said a lot. Am now reading BOOKED TO DIE by Dunning and
enjoying it-one of my 'finds' from the Albany meet.
Carole #3 aka Yiyi125
Carole #3 AKA YiYi125
Subject: Re: Please welcome Jude 16333!!!
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 10:12 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042514123700.KAA00619@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Judy:
Looking forward to seeing you here on the book nook People Board. Its a fun
place. Also all the other folders.
Here is the hyperlink to explore all the folders about Book Nook
Happenings: READERS AND READING
On Wednesday nights at 9:00 Eastern until whenever and
On Saturday nights at 9:00 Eastern until whenever we have FREDONIA CHAT .
Please peek in even though your a Newbie and meet some of us.
Bye the way I had the pleasure of meeting Carole Face to Fact in Albany last
weekend. She is a very nice lady. ( I am forced to say that since everyone
is reading this on Book Nook People. LOL )
Please join us at 9:00 this evening. It is fun. I am the honorary hostess
so I shall be there with my usual Book Nook Bells.
Welcome Judy.
Regards,
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
Few things are more satisfying
than seeing your children have
teenagers of their own.
Subject: Re: Angela's Ashes/City of Angels
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 11:54 AM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042515541400.LAA08765@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Shannon:
I would love to share your Audio of Angela's Ashes. You have my address but
if you lost it e-mail and I will send it again. If someone already has
requested it, please let them know I would love to have it next.
Have them e-mail me and I will send my address.
Thanks,
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
Few things are more satisfying
than seeing your children have
teenagers of their own.
Subject: Politically Correct Teenagers
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 12:02 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998042516022600.MAA09436@ladder01.news.aol.com>
FOR ALL YOU TEACHERS, here's one to warm your heart and make you chuckle by
one of AAC's gifted teachers, AACMrMaze.
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS FOR TEENAGERS
No one fails a class anymore, he's merely "passing impaired."
You don't have detention, you're just one of the"exit delayed."
Your bedroom isn't cluttered, it's just "passage restrictive."
These days, a student isn't lazy. He's "energetically declined."
Your locker isn't overflowing with junk, it's just "closure prohibitive."
Kids don't get grounded anymore. They merely hit "social speed bumps."
Your homework isn't missing, its just having an "out-of-notebook experience."
You're not sleeping in class, you're "rationing consciousness."
You're not late, you just have a "rescheduled arrival time."
You're not having a bad hair day, you're suffering from "rebellious follicle
syndrome."
You don't have smelly gym socks, you have "odor-retentive athletic footwear."
No one's tall anymore. He's "vertically enhanced."
You're not shy. You're "conversationally selective."
You don't talk a lot. You're just "abundantly verbal."
You weren't passing notes in class. You were "participating in the discreet
exchange of penned meditations."
You're not being sent to the principals office, You're
"going on a mandatory field trip to the administrative building."
It's not called gossip anymore. It's "the speedy transmission of near-factual
information."
The food at the school cafeteria isn't awful. It's "digestively challenged."
And one final word of wisdom from a former US President:
"I strongly support the feeding of children" - Gerald Ford
Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides
us from truth. -Kahlil Gibran
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: new to this board
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 12:03 PM EDT
From: Brownis23
Message-id: <1998042516033100.MAA08274@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thank you all for your warm welcome. You will be *seeing* me around here. You
all seem so nice...sending audios back and forth and all. I feel right at
home. I'll make chocolate chip cookies for the Fredonia chat tonight. see ya
all there
Maureen "What goes around, comes around"
Subject: Re: T.S. Eliot
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 12:15 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042516154400.MAA10525@ladder01.news.aol.com>
That's okay Nancy I don't mind that you left me out. Its Jayne from
Connecticut remember!!!! I am so thrilled you will buy lunch for us all as
Judi says you will spend the most money. Ha. Ha. I think you should have
said:
"Last but not Least" Jayne from Connecticut.
But left out or not I will be there!!!!
Jayne in Connecticut
Few things are more satisfying
than seeing your children have
teenagers of their own.
Subject: Re: new to this board
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 12:22 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998042516224300.MAA09893@ladder03.news.aol.com>
While I eagerly join in the welcome to Judy and Maureen, frankly, with
regard to this latter newcomer, I am confused and concerned. If I understand
"Maureen" correctly, she resides in central New York - within the easy reach
of Albany -- and her name is not Carole???!!! Just who does think she is
fooling? Alright, or even all right whichever H.L.Mencken would prefer, I
understand the LauraD problem. But Laura is
still a young student, maybe even an Albany transient for all I know, but, if
she stays in those fine New York environs, I know Laura will eventually
change her name to Carole something. If she does it quickly, for a limited
time only, Carole4 is still avilable. But I am concerned about Maureen, and I
ask YankeeNana (Jayne) to please perform the required minimum inquires at the
Fredonia chat before we all rush off foolishly and just accept this
nom-de-nonCarole.
For Tock, Fred and all the gang at the Castle
--- a concerned Fredonia citizen
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: New to this board
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 12:54 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998042516540900.MAA12461@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Welcome Jude and Maureen! The more the merrier!!!
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: New to this board
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 02:32 PM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998042518324800.OAA21874@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Maureen, if you have read all the recent posts and still want to be a part of
this group, I say, "Come on down!" We are glad to have you.
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Re: new to this board
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 02:42 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998042518424700.OAA21496@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I've been trying for two days now to catch up with the posts. What a
prolific group! AOL's PMS has not helped either, as I have been bumped
several times. So . . . since I can't get ahead, would you please stop
posting til further notice? Thank you.
Welcome, Maureen and Judy. Also, congratulations to Shauna on her beautiful
baby girl. Hope we get to see pictures soon.
Off to catch up,
Cissie, reading American Pastoral (I give it a 12 on a 10 point scale!)
Subject: Re: New to this board
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 02:45 PM EDT
From: TDanks777
Message-id: <1998042518454200.OAA21731@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Maureen: Yes, you may!!
Gina: Yes, read the Rabbit serious, by all means!!! I loved the whole
series and I think that 2 of them even won Pulitzer prizes (Judi?) Updike is
a genius who explores the inner workings of 'Rabbit' so thoroughly that by
the end of the book/series, you ARE him. Enjoy!
Terri--reading Snow In August and scouring the bookstores frantically for
American Pastoral so that I may finally contribute to our online book group
Subject: MariLu/Welcomes/Congrats
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 03:00 PM EDT
From: Spumony2
Message-id: <1998042519002700.PAA24241@ladder01.news.aol.com>
MariLu wrote: <<SOB, SOB! I can't eat chocolate!!!! I'm allergic to it!
Can I have butterscotch or strawberry, caramel, or blueberry cheesecake, and
just watch you guys eat chocolate, smell it, and eat my heart out?>> How
about white chocolate, MariLu? Oh, I'm starting to salivate just thinking
about white chocolate cheesecake with a hot white mocha...yummm... We don't
want you to eat your heart
out!!!
A big warm welcome to Judy and Maureen and a note of caution - you'll never
leave this place again!
Congratulations to Shauna and her new baby girl!!! What's her name?
Have a wonderful weekend all,
Spumony2 / Cathy `,)
Laughter is the language of the soul.
Pablo Neruda
Subject: Re: Boy's Life
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 03:52 PM EDT
From: RKCK SYST
Message-id: <1998042519521300.PAA28783@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol,
Yes, have read this wonderful book. I absolutely loved it and would
recommend it highly to anyone desiring just a dose of magic to go with their
story. (Was so taken with the fun and unforgettable characters that my
husband and I still call anything big -- like our male cat -- or VERY small
-- such as a chihuahua and we're being facetious: "Big 'Un Blaylock).
Anyway, hadn't thought Snow in August sounded very good judging from most of
the
comments made here; however, now that I know these two books resemble one
another, I'll surely read it ASAP. Thanks for the perspective.
Carolyn K. (reading Gone But Not Forgotten by Philip Margolin)
"Always read stuff that will make you look good if you die in the middle of
it." P.J. O'Rourke
Subject: Welcomes
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 04:36 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042520363800.QAA01790@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Maureen -- yes indeedy, you may! Welcome! Isn't this a lovely, slightly wacky
group!
And Jude 16333/Judy, a hearty Welcome to you too!
Carole #3... glad to see posting. I read BOOKED TO DIE and THE BOOKMAN'S WAKE
not very long ago and really enjoyed them.
I'm currently reading HIGH CRIMES by Jos. Finder and ALL THE PRETTY HORSES by
Cormac McCarthy. (I think I've given up on GUILT BY ASSOCIATION; just not my
cuppa tea...)
I'm SO looking forward to Monday in NYC!
Sally (AKA Miss Sally in NJ)
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: poetry?/welcome
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 04:37 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042520371000.QAA01835@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judy and Maureen,
A warm welcome to Readers and Reading. We are most happy to see you. I must
say the nicest aspect of these folders (other than the wonderful and warm
people who inhabit them) is that they are addictive without causing too much
physiological damage.
Nancy in NJ,
Speaking of addictive, here's a thought of a possible gimmick for you to try
to get on the Oprah Show, " I can't stop buying books". You know how Oprah
maintains all addictions are manifestations of other problems and issues?
Perhaps we could convince her she was responsible, epidemiologically
speaking, of course, since she has placed such an emphasis on reading (We
would not have to disclose to her the pre-existing conditions). I wonder
what she
would think of the obsessive-compulsive nature of buying books when the TBR
piles are Mount Everest-like in size? When the "unreads" are not even out
of the bag? When one has more books in one's possession than can be read in a
decade? When the drive to secure, procure, or purchase just a few more is
number #1 on Maslov's hierarchy? Just a silly thought, but affecting more
and more of us as evidenced by a chronic, driven behavioral pattern. LOL
Mary Coral:
As the choreographer of the table dance, you must know that most successful
table dancing is performed without much practice, for if one is to actually
train and rehearse for an activity of this sort, even in private, someone is
sure to come into the room and mock the dancer, pointing and uttering
sarcastic comments, while laughing hysterically, thus mortifying or
discouraging the performer. For this
reason, might I suggest that all table dancing be completely spontaneous the
day of the event, with only the use of a small cattle prod to encourage the
dancers?
eecummings:
Since you mentioned one initialized poet, the discussion triggered by
Mermaids, I just had to mention another in honor of WriteJudi....eecummings,
who frankly, I never understood yesterday and am not quite sure I do today (
unless I omit all the adverbial and adjective clauses and phrases and am left
with a few nouns and verbs only, and even then meaning is debatable, and
what's left to read? OK, ok, I can rearrange the syntax and find more
meaning,
but then it isn't the poetry anymore. <G> I'm not quite sure of the title
of this poem, but it is probably the first line: <<to many things and which
die>>>" There are a couple of lines which follow which remind me of Judi as
per the gardening folder
...frankly
admitting i have been true
only to the noise of worms
in the eligible day
under the unaccountable sun)
Distinct Lady
swiftly take
my fragile certain song
that we may watch together
how behind the doomed
exact smile of life's
placid obscure palpable
carnival where to a normal
melody of probable violins dance
the square virtues with the oblong sins
perfectly
gesticulate the accurate
strenuous lips of incorruptible
Nothing under the ample
sun, under the insufficient
day under the noise of worms>> ROTF
Booknook Meeting:
Hope all of you getting together in NY have a most delightful time.
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Albany Meet
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 04:55 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998042520552900.QAA03504@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hi Carole #3 - some friends of ours have a miniature dobie called Sadie - she
is the sweetest, most intelligent and aware little dog - the best pet because
she's the size of a cat and loves to cuddle. We have a puppy, too, a basset
hound that we rescued who is about 8 months named Buttercup. She hasn't hurt
herself yet (although she had kennel cough when we got her, so that
required some monetary outlay) but she may win the prize for the worst puppy
we've ever had, a record held until now by a Westie we had. She is extremely
loving and has a nice even temperament but destructive!
MariLu - I always wonder what Betty Ford saw in Gerald. Of course, he's
probably an "easy" husband, which could be a blessing. Love PC language as
it gets funnier and funnier.
Welcome to Maureen and Judi - I look forward to your posts. I don't believe
you have to change your name, Maureen - Not unless you really like Carole.
Belated congratulations to Shauna on the birth of your healthy baby girl -
when you have a
free moment :), we look forward to hearing all about her.
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Monday meeting
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 06:31 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998042522313100.SAA13350@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I just wanted to be sure to tell all of you meeting in New York on Monday to
have a good time, and take care of my Mom for me while I'm stuck in the
office!
She and Dad just got home from their cruise today and are still running on
adrenalin--I expect the travel-fatigue will catch up to them at any time now.
I was a good daughter, though--I made sure the kitchen is stocked with
breakfast and lunch things, and made a lasagne so that Mom won't even have to
think about cooking tomorrow. (With all the vacation laundry, that's a good
thing, no?) I even did my own laundry today (instead of Sunday as usual)
so that she can have the laundry room all to herself.
I've got to say, though, it took Mom longer than I thought to notice the new
plates on my car. My new, vanity license plates (which Mom paid for, I might
add) came on Thursday--so on Friday, I put them on, returned the old ones to
DMV, and sat back to wait for Mom to notice--she walked past the car three
times before noticing! Even Dad noticed right away (and boy, is that a
switch!)--I would have thought that, with plates like "MV MASS" my Martha's
Vineyard-fanatic mother would have instinctively sniffed them out from up the
block! Ah well . . . at least I don't have to keep them a secret anymore!
Have a good one, everyone!
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: Martha's Vineyard, Nevada Barr
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 06:36 PM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998042522364400.SAA13827@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi everyone!
Many here have expressed a love for Martha's Vineyard. Have you seen this
website? Martha's Vineyard Online (tm) Maybe you can find something you
like here.
Shauna and Family: Congratulations on the birth of your new baby daughter!
Hope you are all enjoying this wonderful time in your life.
Welcome Maureen! Welcome, Judy! The more, the merrier!
Have been enjoying all the new links showing up here recently. It can be a
lot of fun checking them out, and consequently discovering new websites.
Have just ordered (and quickly received!) some pasta and sauces from this
link: Flying Noodle - gourmet food, pastas and sauc... Shall be trying it
soon, looks delicious!
Hope you all have a great time in NYC on Monday, and those of you traveling
long distances, Bon Voyage!
Carolyn on Long Island, reading my first Nevada Barr novel
Subject: Re: White chocolate
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 07:22 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998042523223700.TAA16682@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Spumony2 / Cathy --<<How about white chocolate, MariLu?>> No! I made the
mistake once of thinking white chocolate was vanilla, so it would be safe.
Not so! I ate two pieces and ended up sick with a monster migraine for two
days. It turns out, there's cocoa butter in white chocolate. I already knew
I was allergic to that, because cocoa butter lotion will break my hands out,
but I had no idea it was in white chocolate. Poor me! You're mean!!!
Sitting there in front of me eating that, letting the smell reach my poor
tortured nostrils and olfactory nerve, longing, wanting it so much.
OOOOH!!!!!
HI MAUREEN! WELCOME! And don't let Luigi badger you into changing your
name. He just wants everyone to be like him, so no one knews who anyone is.
Only become Carole 4 if you really, truly want to do so. This is an equal
opportunity message board!
SHANNON--I, too, would love to share the audio of Angela's Ashes. Please put
me on your list.
TOMORROW I'LL BE ON MY WAY!!!!!!!!
Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides
us from truth. -Kahlil Gibran
Mari Lu
Subject: Thanks...prayers worked!
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 07:27 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042523272200.TAA17112@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I just want to thank everyone for the prayers and support when my sister was
told that she might have MS a month or so ago. She has had a brain MRI's and
a couple other MRI's plus a spinal tap that made her so sick that she was in
the hospital for 4 days...but when the results came back, it was completely
negative! No indication that she has MS...still no explanation of the
"lesion" on her spine or the numbness that she experienced, but
good news just the same!
The power of this group's positive thoughts is overwhelming!
Diane in S. Florida
Reading Cider House Rules...and trying to catch up on my Entertainment
Weekly's before this week's issue arrives.
Subject: Re: New to this board
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 07:43 PM EDT
From: Ruth59
Message-id: <1998042523430100.TAA19716@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Of course you may, Maureen. Any you to Jude....welcome to BookNook.
I should give you fair warning though, before you get too far into it, Book
Nook is addictive. In fact, some specualte it is an AOL plot to keep folks
with the service despite the bumps, disconnects, and the host of other AOL
problems.
My friends insist it is a cult and that may be as we have official uniforms,
book bags, and an emperor.
For a thorough introduction to all things Fredonian (a subset of booknook)
please check out the Fredonian web page at the hyperlink below.
RuthAlice
The Useful Page
http://members.aol.com/ruth59/index.html
Fredonia
http://members.aol.com/fredonian/index.html
Subject: coming and going
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 07:59 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998042523590500.TAA21141@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Cathy,
You asked yesterday about a reference in the Psalms to the LORD
blessing our comings and goings.
I am pretty sure that the verse you have in mind is Psalm 121, verse 8. I am
not aware of, nor could I quickly find, any other verse with similar
language.
Ps.121.8 is usually rendered, depending on the translation, in one of
these fashions--
"The LORD will guard (or keep or preserve or protect) your going
out and your coming in from this time forth and forever more. "
The NIV says ...."The LORD will watch over your coming and going
.......".
And while I do not have any translation that uses exactly the
language you mentioned --
"The LORD will bless your comings and your goings -------"
that is clearly the meaning of the other versions, and so it
wouldn't surprise me if some modern translation version has exactly that
language.
for King
James ------ Emperor Fred
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Re: New to this board
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 09:27 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998042601270200.VAA29872@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Now, RuthAlice, just because I am sitting here in my BookNook t-shirt,
drinking coffee out of my BookNook cup and checking these boards
compulsively, you can't accuse me of belonging to a cult. (Can you???)
Cheef
It is inherently easier to develop a negative argument than to advance a
constructive one.
John Steinbeck
Subject: Dog Story
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 10:03 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042602031600.WAA02483@ladder03.news.aol.com>
TO ALL:
Well, I just had to go spend a Barnes and Noble gift certificate today.
Perhaps the story of the gift certificate is much more interesting than the
book purchase. From my darling friend for taking care of her dogs. A very
generous gift certificate. I earned it.
Having already started American Pastoral and loving The Short History of a
Prince, I purchased: Joy School by Elizabeth Berg (What We Keep will be out
in two weeks),The Light of Falling Stars by J. Robert Lennon, Duplicate Keys
by Jane Smiley (Thanks Nancy), and The Pilot's Wife, Anita Shreve
A Darling Dear Very Young friend of mine lost her Grandfather right before
spring break and had to be out of town for five days. We are teachers
together and friends, and live only 3 miles apart. She has six Labrador
Retrievers. Three adults and three puppies. Need I tell you more than it
was raining the first two days of Spring Break? Sliding down the hill on my
butt and unlandscaping the yard as I went a half a dozen times is not the
gist of
it all. Being accosted by hyper dogs, really crazy dogs, ready to play, is a
third. Another third is shoveling wet crappola out of the kennels twice a
day, trying not to wretch and managing to subdue nausea as the puppies rolled
with unabated glee in defecation. The final third is just one dog: Abbie.
Buck and Sadie are pre programmed with electronic collars and pretty much
have the run of the yard and license with visitors. They go
berserk, want to play and chase and retrieve, but they have perimeters. The
puppies had a pen of their own, which I learned to climb over on Thursday,
lest they escape again (as they did on the first day) and we have another
oiled pig race, and although they tore my jeans and ate my arms, leaving
puncture wounds reminiscent of copperheads, it was manageable.
But Abbie, ten months old and a maniac, was my Easter Dog from hell. She
had her own special pen, from which I released her twice a day. A Chocolate
Lab, unchanneled, unperterbed, yet untrained, and unmanageable, she jumped on
me with full frontal 60 pound force, smack dab into the middle of the chest (
I swear it felt like 110 and she had such glee and pride for knocking me down
dozens of times), and thus, me on the ground, again, and again,
right where I had shoveled the dog manure out. Back into the muck and mire
again. I really began to smell and look like a literal muckraker. Twice a
day for five days I endured Labs without their owners, and even though my DH
and I had planned to take a day or two away, the first time in a year, taking
care of a friend's dogs while she and her husband were under duress, was much
more important, and enlightening, and fulfilling, than I had ever
imagined. I planted a gold star on my forehead. And when the dog owners
came home, I felt really bad for mentally denigrating their dogs. How
wonderful that we can help a friend out, and what an introspective revelation
of personal fortitude keeps us going for a bit, making us feel contributory
and important. People ask , "What can I do?" in a time of need, and I really
felt useful.
We have had two Yellow labs at one time, Luke and Sam, both energetic and
high strung, but calm and single-minded when signalled to settle down. They
were both house dogs and ball freaks and swimming fools, but they always sat
down and smiled at me when I asked them to. They would leave me alone in the
bathroom and get off the bed if pressed to do the honorable thing, and they
never, ever, rolled me through dog crap, even though they personally
wallowed in every bad or dead smell imaginable. I like dogs who cavort on
their own, merely looking up with a gleem in their eyes to make sure you are
watching and applauding. I miss my Labs, but I do not miss my surrogate
Easter Charges from Hell.
Roe<---who is loving her dog from Alaska, Miss Kailie, part Aussie and part
Setter/Retriever of some kind, who tells me when to turn the coffee pot off
and nudges me to let me know the the cats need to come in so she can nurture
them and groom them... Plus, they might be hungry. What a Girl!
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: T.S. Elliot
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 10:33 PM EDT
From: MOGMNY
Message-id: <1998042602332900.WAA06689@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Actually, the quote about the women speaking of Michealangelo is from the
Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock. Elliot is the greatest in my opinion.
MO in SB
Subject: Re: Sunny's Gone
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 11:05 PM EDT
From: MOGMNY
Message-id: <1998042603052000.XAA10017@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara, Im so sorry about losing Sunny. I am a dog lover for life. My
special companions mean everything to me and my husband. I feel that the
love we experience from these marvelous creatures is so pure and unselfish.
People how love us can be difficult. If they have a bad day sometimes they
take it out on one another. A dog greets its master with exhuberence and joy
no matter what kind of day they are having. They are sensitive to the
minor changes in our moods and react accordingly. People who know how to
appreciate the love of an animal are lucky. They can teach us so much.......
sadly the down side is that when they leave us there is a huge gap in our
lives. There is a beautiful poem about this called "The Rainbow Bridge", if
you haven't read it email me and I will send it to you. It is
so in touch with the relationships we form with our "special friends" that
one cannot be helped but be comforted by it. My thoughts are with you. I
know how hard this experience is.
MO in SB
Subject: Re: coming and going
Date: Sat, 25 April 1998 11:22 PM EDT
From: MARILU3123
Message-id: <1998042603220300.XAA11751@ladder01.news.aol.com>
LUIGI AND CATHY--May I add Psalm 121 from the Jerusalem Bible?
I lift my eyes to the mountains
where is help to come from?
Help comes to me from Yahweh
who made heaven and earth.
No letting our footsteps slip!
This guard of yours, he does not doze!
The guardian of Israel
does not doze or sleep.
Yahweh guards you, shades you.
With Yahweh at your right hand
sun cannot strike you down by day,
nor moon at night.
Yahweh guards you from harm,
he guards your lives,
he guards you leaving, coming back,
now and for always.
And from me,
May the good Lord bless and keep you!
And me too, as I go to meet you all in the morning!
Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides
us from truth. -Kahlil Gibran
Mari Lu
Subject: Re: coming and going
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 12:42 AM EDT
From: Spumony2
Message-id: <1998042604424200.AAA17851@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thanks, Fred -- The psalm version I was thinking of was, "The Lord will
preserve your going out and your coming in from this time forth and forever
more." Although I prefer the word 'guard' for obvious reasons... I knew
you'd come through for me!
Just saw the movie "Primary Colors" and was surprised at how good it was.
Kathy Bates plays the voice of morality, and she is simply stupendous. There
were some outstanding scenes that touched me and others that made me shake my
head at the game of politics. But ultimately, I think the message was a
positive one. I recommend it for you fellow movie lovers out there.
Wow, I'm lovin' this posting spree! Lita, are you keeping up with me?
Spumony2 / Cathy `,)
Laughter is the language of the soul.
Pablo Neruda
Subject: ATTENTION SOUTHERN CALIFORNIANS!!!!
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 01:08 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998042605083700.BAA21051@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Since the wonderful (and soon to be lost to us West Coasters) Cathy/Spumony
brought it up, our meeting on honor of Marilu is planned for Thursday, May 21
in the late afternoon/early evening (4 or 5 "ish) at an Italian restaurant
in the Naples/Belmont Shore area of Long Beach. (Thanks to Buny/MaryAnn for
searching out a good location.) There is an independent bookstore closeby
(believe it!) -- Dodd's -- and yes, Cathy, I'm sure there are
chocolates in close proximity! And coffee too!
Not too many of you hae responded...please e-mail me, let me know if this
works for you....we had a GREAT TIME at the last 2 meetings and the 3rd is
not to be missed!!!
Looking forward to seeing everyone...
Lita
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading These is My Words by Nancy Turner, Lady Chatterly's Lover (for my
book group) and listening to Downtown by Anne Rivers Siddons. (And loving
all!)
Subject: Telling Oprah
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 01:20 AM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998042605200200.BAA20595@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I have to confess...I posted on Oprah's message boards months ago telling her
about our on-line book chat/group, new friendships, fXf meetings, etc, & I
never heard a word. I have always wanted to be on TV & I had visions of my
interview seen by all my friends coast to coast...& them thinking how YOUNG &
wonderful I looked....I worried about what to wear, & started research on
where to
eat in Chicago. Hmmmm..somehow I just don't think she gave big you know
what.
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Re: New to this board
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 01:23 AM EDT
From: CloudLA
Message-id: <1998042605232000.BAA20841@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Maureen, YES you may! Glad to have you here, stick around.
Leslie
How did I get to be a 100 years old? Well, when I moves, I moves slow. When I
sits, I sets loose. And when I worries, I goes to sleep.
-An old Appalachian woman
Subject: Strand,Oprah,Welcome...
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 01:23 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998042605234200.BAA20876@ladder03.news.aol.com>
OK, Nancy, I was already jealous of Monday's meeting and now you've made it
worse! Visiting The Strand with all those other BNers. The only time I have
been to that haven was with my then-18 month old child. Imagine all the
books I got to look at while chasing her through the store! I have the same
habit...oohing and aahing and wanting to discuss my treasure with
other people in the library or store and they just think I'm NUTS!
Mary Coral - GREAT IDEA! I think one or all of us should write Oprah and
tell her about this wondrous place (without divulging the exact location).
Maybe we could score a meeting, paid for by Oprah, in Chicago. Stranger
things have happened. (Just watch Jerry Springer if you don't believe me.)
Judy - Welcome to our ongoing coffee klatsch. We have a lot of fun here,
great friendships and even book discussions. And yes.....warning....it is
addictive but very good for your health.
Marilu - We'll do butterscotch and otehr goodies in your honor. But (now
this is a secret)...Judi cannot live without her chocolate.
Ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh.
Ok, I'll try to quiet down now...
Lita
Subject: Re: Cyber Baby
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 01:40 AM EDT
From: Ludsmith
Message-id: <1998042605403900.BAA22034@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thanks everyone for your kind congratulations! This Book Nook baby has been
quite the process. When I mentioned 9 months ago that DH and I liked the
name Scout for a baby, I was unaware at the time that I was pregnant. As you
know, we had a beautiful little girl on Tuesday. It took two days to
finalize her name (she just didn't look like a Morgan, our favorite girl's
name before her birth) and here it is:
HANNAH SCOUT SMITH.
Yes, the Scout is from "To Kill a Mockingbird." She's a mellow baby, but may
turn into a spunky Scout later on.
I'll get photos to RuthAlice for the Fredonia photo collection.
Shauna
Subject: NW gathering?
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 09:10 AM EDT
From: ShanOD
Message-id: <1998042613104800.JAA08917@ladder01.news.aol.com>
A few months ago, there was some rumbling about a NW gathering. I thought I
remembered Jackie from Utah was headed this way. Anything in the works or
have I just been oblivious??
Shannon
Subject: Wonderful Day
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 09:26 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042613264601.JAA09828@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Head on the heels of the Book Nook reunion tomorrow in the City, I'm pretty
much sticking clseo to home today to do odds and ends.
But first apologies to a name that was left off the BN reunion list - Jayne
from Conn. and an incorredct name - its Joan from NJ. What can I say I was
in a hurry yesterday as we were flying out the door for the Yankee game.
Next welcome to Judy and Maureen. Think you will find a wonderful group here
but watch out. I am perenially poor trying to keep up with buying all of the
books that are mentioned here.
Finally, for now, yesterday was the most amazing day. Nto because I, a
native New Yorker born in the Bronx, finally got to see Yankee Stadium for
the first time, not because we sat first row behind the Yankees dugout and I
coudl reach out and touch Derek Jeter (boy is he good looking), not because
Robert merrill sand or it was the 75th anniversary cleebration of the Stadium
and not bcecause we had a great dinner in Little Italy and wonderful evening
with friends but because my dear friend Arlene can finally HEAR and
participate in our conversations. To explain furthur- 24 years ago we were
young and without our DD. We moved to a townhouse development in Staten
Isalnd where we met many other young couples with similar backgrounds to us.
Arlene and her husband had both been raised in the city, attended Music and
Art High School and City College. She had been a wonderful pianist and the
daughter of two music teachers. Her father was one of Jose Feliciano's
teachers in high school. When I first met Arlene at the pool, 8 months
pergnant with her first of two children, I was struck by her almost rude
behavior. I tried talking to her for almost 15 minutes, asking her questions
with very little response and thought she didn't even know me so why was she
ignoring me.. Eventually she left and some other people I knew well (we had
worked together and moved to this community together) sat down. When I
mentioned what happened to another friend, she answered that Arlene didn't
hear well. So, bearing this in mind, I appraoched her very differently the
next time and there after by speaking directly to her and allowing her to try
and read my lips. Over the next number of years we became very good friends.
We were on the same bowling league when our children were infants and when
they attneded school, we played on the same tennis league - she alwys came in
first place. Our kids played together and we cheered when they were bar and
bat mitzvahed, confirmed graduated first from high school then from college
and moved on. But the years were not kind to Arlene. You see she was born
hearing and began to lose this first in college and it became progressivley
worse. Often when she would allow herself to feel blue she would liken
her position to being a widow- remembering how things used to be and how
different they were now. After almost 10 years of living together we both
moved to separate communitites in NJ. I returned to working but Arlene felt
that any job would produce too much stress in her life. But work she did in
a myriad of ways. She became a doll collector and antique collector
eventaully becoming a dealer of old and rare Madame Alexander dolls. She
wrote and
continues to write her Temple's news bulletin and she raised two very fine
children. She became an advocate for the hearing imparired serving on major
committees in NJ and has many awards for this from the Governor etc. And
most recently she has attacked the performing arts community insisiting that
they establish both infra-red sysytems and closed captioning to allow hearing
imparired people an opportunity to attend live pefromances. As a matter
of fact on Thurday night she and her husband attended the first performance
at the Vivian Beaumont theater with the closed captioning sysytem finally in
place. But despite all of Arlene's accomplishment, her hearing became worse
and isolated her more and more. She couldn't speak on the phone and the
relay system was diffcult for everybody to use. To a large degree, she came
to rely solely on e mail. Spending a day with her was exhausting for both
her and the other person. One never realizes when they hear how you must
consciously face the person and really enunciate your words so that the other
person has some opportunity to partcipate. Admittedly Arlene said she
manipulated the conversation by initiating topics so she could anticipate the
words that would be used. But large crowds left her in tears and with a
husband who entetains for buisness, she spent much time really being
depressed
and angry. She also had been all over the country trying various theories to
see if any of her hearing could be restored. And yesterday for the very
first time Arlene heard us!!! How? Svevral weeks ago she underwent surgery
for a colechal implant perfromed on one of her ears which now allows her to
hear. The finer points of this I don't quite understand - a chip is inserted
into her head near the ear and a piece is when healed anothe peice placed
over this which is hooked to a box - simialar to a walkman and the impulses
are fed through to the ear. While this is a very revolutionary procedure,
unfortunatelyt not everyone is in a postion to have this operation done. One
must have a certain level of deafness and since Arlene has learned to
compensate and mask her deafness, she literally had to fail the preliminary
tests. Then one has to be able to make the transitions from the sounds to
words etc. I was somewhat surpirsed to lean that audio books along with hand
held books are part of this therapy (Arlene said while she has no interest in
fiction, she LOVES non-fiction and asked for a list of books) once the
surgery has been completed. And as Arlene said those who have heard before
do best after the surgery. As Arlene spoke yesterday, and we had previously
spoken a great deal about her disability my eyeys kept filling up - she is
so happy and as Bruce said her whoel personality and outlook has changed. I
only wish that all of you could meet Arlene and see the benefits of modern
medicine and a lot of hard work on the part of my friend. If anybody would
like more informatin abotu this, let me know and I will send you the website
where the procedure is described.
As we finished lunch, Arlene's husband Ira wa seager to get to our esats.
Btu I was having so much fun talking to Arlene that I suggested we stay a bit
longer. Then Arlene piped up with, "Oh no I wantto hear the Star Spangled
Banner- you know I've never heard it before.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Dog Story
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 10:10 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998042614101100.KAA12767@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Roe -- You didn't say how generous the gift certificate was. From your
horrendous report, I hope it was in the thousands! What a good friend you
are. As the owner of 2 large, rambunctious labs, I fully understand what a
labor of love your "dog sitting" was.
I'm still not caught up so I'll get back to the posts. Perhaps with so many
heading to NY things will quiet down a bit for those of us who are hopelessly
behind.
Cissie
Subject: Re: Wonderful Day
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 10:18 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998042614180700.KAA12120@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy -- Arlene's story made my day brighter. Hope she knows how inspiring
she is.
Cissie
Subject: Re: Telling Oprah
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 10:19 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998042614190400.KAA13402@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Leslie -- Do you think that Oprah has peeked on this board and knows that she
is "dissed" sometimes?
Cissie
Subject: Re: Welcomes
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 10:59 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042614593100.KAA16673@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sally- I thought of you the other night while watching one of thsoe weekly
entertainment shows. I should say I was cleaning out a closet and Bruce was
watching this while reading the paper so....
Seems as though Leonardo DiCaprio, fresh from Titanic mania, was offered the
main character's role from All the Pretty. But his asking price of 12
million dollars was a little too steep so Mark Damon (Good Will Hunting star
and screenwriter) is going to play the role for 5 million.
Also, on this show were clips from The Horse Whisperer with some comments
from Robert Redford on what it was like to be both a star of the movie and
the director. Much as I think the book missed something somewhere, I am
looking forward to seeing this movie.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: poetry?/welcome
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 11:02 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042615023100.LAA16952@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Roe - I think your idea of how I can get onto the Oprah show is a good one.
Will write an e mail to Oprah and see what she thinks. But lets think more
about this. What could this addiction be covering up??? The desire to be
pleased, conversant with others or the ability to meet with people like you.
Nothing so TERRIBLE. Do any of you??? LOL
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: NW gathering?
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 11:15 AM EDT
From: JackieML7
Message-id: <1998042615155800.LAA18045@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<<A few months ago, there was some rumbling about a NW gathering. I thought
I remembered Jackie from Utah was headed this way. Anything in the works or
have I just been oblivious??>>
Shannon--you are correct. It is me who has been slow to coordinating this
thing. I shall send e-mails today---promise!
Currently reading The Persial Pickle Club by Sandra Dallas and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <----Home of the JAZZ
Live your life as an exclamation...not an explanation.
~~~Author Unknown
Subject: Re: Wonderful Day
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 12:41 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042616411800.MAA24639@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dear Nancy:
What a beautiful story.! My heart was so full of joy and tears. I am
hearing impaired but certainly not to the extend of your dear friend.
However, I would be delighted for you to send me the web site.
I denied for a long time my hearing problem. Reading lips and getting half a
story or becoming so frustrated I lost most conversations. My phone has a
good hearing impaired device which helps me a great deal. Lucky me has great
improvement with a hearing aide. One good advantage is when your not tooo
thrilled to talk to DH you can turn the hearing aide off and smile alot as
you nod your head once in a while. LOL
We have in our Book Nook People world a interpreter in Holly/Mrs J11 who I
met last fall on the cross country trip. Her husband has been hearing
impaired all his life. She is a professional signer. I have such admiration
and respect to this lovely couple
Nancy thank you for your story. See you tomorrow in NYC. Doesn't that sound
wonderful.
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
Few things are more satisfying
than seeing your children have
teenagers of their own.
Subject: Re: This and that, here and now
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 12:43 PM EDT
From: JackieML7
Message-id: <1998042616432100.MAA24853@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Gina in Houston: you ask: <<Jackie, would you like to make a little wager on
the basketball series between the Rockets and the Jazz? >>
I say Yes! I'm game!
Currently reading The Persial Pickle Club by Sandra Dallas and Alias Grace
by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <----Home of the JAZZ
Live your life as an exclamation...not an explanation.
~~~Author Unknown
Subject: Re: Welcomes
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 01:34 PM EDT
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998042617340900.NAA29884@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jude & Maureen Plan on spending alot of time at your computer. Now that
you've found BookNook, you may never have time for your family or to clean
you house. ...Not that there's anything wrong with that!
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Yuchy Day
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 03:00 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042619002100.PAA08878@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Yesterday was a wonderful day but today its raining and sooo very nasty.
Just returned from attempting to see a movie- second time at our town's newly
renovated theater that something went wrong. Thought I left with plenty of
time to spare to see a 2:30 film - The Spanish Prisoner directed by David
Mamet. Unfortunately, the projectionist needs to learn how to tell time
cause when I arrived, the film was already on for 15 minutes. And
if you know anything about seeing a Mamet film or play its best to be there
at the very beginning. So now it seems as though I have a little more time
to spend in the basement or to READ. Guess what I'm going to do?
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: NYC meeting
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 03:17 PM EDT
From: YiYi125
Message-id: <1998042619170100.PAA10571@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Just a note wishing all the folks meeting tomorrow a great day!!! I am
wishing I was independently wealthy so that I could join all the meetings
taking place here and on the west coast. But alas, I must go to work
tomorrow and earn money for food - and vet bills.
Welcome to the new friends - Judy and Maureen.
LOL with the Eor's dog story. After having large dogs for most of my life, I
know what you are talking about. I just had never had that many at one time.
Big dogs are a lot of care. That's why we decided to get a little one this
time - thinking it would be a piece of cake. Little did we know we would be
sending the vet and his family on a wonderful vacation. Oh well, Pandora is
adorable and very lovable.
Again, Have a great time at the NYC meeting
Carole #3 AKA YiYi125
Subject: The Cat Years
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 03:36 PM EDT
From: Goodreader
Message-id: <1998042619365200.PAA13798@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Here is an article from the San Francisco Chronicle that a friend sent to me
recently.
~ Jo Anne in San Jose
Currently reading Book Nook posts and trying desperately to catch up!
"The Cat Years," by Adair Lara, SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE, MARCH 28,1996
I just realized that while children are dogs -- loyal and
affectionate -- teen-agers are cats. It's so easy to be a dog owner.
You feed it, train it, boss it around. It puts its head on your knee
and gazes at you as if you were a Rembrandt painting. It bounds
indoors with enthusiasm when you call it.
Then, around age 13, your adoring little puppy turns into a big
old cat. When you tell it to come inside, it looks amazed, as if
wondering who died and made you emperor. Instead of dogging your
foot-steps, it disappears. You won't see it again until it gets hungry
-- then it pauses on its sprint through the kitchen long enough to
turn its nose up at whatever you're serving. When you reach out to ruffle
its head, in that old affectionate gesture, it twists away from you,
then gives you a blank stare as if trying to remember where it has
seen you before.
You, not realizing that the dog is now a cat, think something
must be desperately wrong with it. It seems so antisocial, so distant,
sort of depressed. It won't go on family outings.
Since you're the one who raised it, taught it to fetch and stay
and sit on command, you assume that you did something wrong. Flooded
with guilt and fear, you redouble your efforts to make your pet behave.
Only now you're dealing with a cat, so everything that worked
before now produces the opposite of the desired result. Call it, and
it runs away. Tell it to sit, and it jumps on the counter. The more
you go toward it, wringing your hands, the more it moves away.
Instead of continuing to act like a dog owner, you can learn to
behave like a cat owner. Put a dish of food near the door, and let it
come to you. But remember that a cat needs your help and your
affection too. Sit still, and it will come, seeking that warm,
comforting lap it has not entirely forgotten. Be there to open the
door for it.
One day, your grown-up child will walk into the kitchen, give you
a big kiss and say, "You've been on your feet all day. Let me get
those dishes for you." Then you'll realize your cat is a dog again.
The past is history, the future a mystery and today is a gift. That's
why it's called the present.
Subject: Re: Welcomes
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 04:35 PM EDT
From: Brownis23
Message-id: <1998042620351800.QAA19681@ladder01.news.aol.com>
don't clean the house anyway. It gets in the way of my reading. LOL
Maureen "What goes around, comes around"
Subject: Re: The Cat Years
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 04:39 PM EDT
From: Brownis23
Message-id: <1998042620395100.QAA18893@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Loved the Cat Years!! I have a soon to be 16 year old son who is definitely
showing all the signs of changing from the puppy to the grown up cat. He does
however require a big old dish of food. That boy just won't stop growing.
Maureen "What goes around, comes around"
Subject: Nancy-Arlene-Leo/Matt
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 05:06 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042621061900.RAA21558@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy -- your story about Arlene was very touching. Thanks for sharing it
with us. What a miracle!
Re. All the Pretty Horses -- I'm GLAD that Leo didn't get it. I think Matt is
perfect for the part!
See you soon!
p.s. my fanny pack is HUGE! I'll get a back-ache for sure...those Gold Stars
DO weigh quite a bit.... BTW, didn't you say there were lockers at The
Strand?
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Where is everyone?
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 05:13 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042621133300.RAA22349@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Just kidding - up at 5, drove to airport, took first leg to Orlando where I
had a two-hour layover & breakfast - then on to rainy Newark airport & NY -
where I am all hooked up, as you can see.
I was greeted by an old friend from another cyber book club with her new baby
- now THAT was terrific. We plunked the darling baby on the bed while I ran
out to buy lunch, & had a great chat for a few hours.
No sign of MariLu or Celesta - yet.
It's mild but rainy & I sure hope it clears up tomorrow. Rain or shine, I am
looking forward to a great day.
My travel book of choice - excellent so far - THE POWER OF ONE by Bryce
Courtenay - I read his POTATO FACTORY on my last air trip & thought it might
be a good one. I know there ARE A FEW OF YOU OUT THERE WHO HAVE READ THIS.
I will apologize in advance for lousy typing & errors while using this laptop
- different keyboard.
The Marco Maniac, preeening & grooming the white feather boa - miles from
home
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Where is everyone?
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 05:24 PM EDT
From: EACurran
Message-id: <1998042621245700.RAA23545@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol - Good that you have your laptop along! This way you and Warren can
send messages from both the men's AND the ladie's rooms, and we'll have even
fuller coverage of the event.
I hope you all have a wonderful time in New York. I don't think Mari Lu is
getting in until later this evening. I am off to the grocery store and will
pick up, among the usual things, some sesame seeds to make GRADGLASS/Carol's
"Low Everything Dressing" to try on pasta tonight.
Erika, who has now officially reached the point of procrasting on posting on
Alias Grace
Subject: Re: Martha's Vineyard, Nevada Barr
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 05:38 PM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042621380200.RAA24908@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carolyn -- Would be interested in hearing how you like the food you ordered
from Flying Noodle. I'm always looking for the easy way out. Sorry Maniac,
I don't like to cook.
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Re: NYC meeting
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 06:18 PM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998042622185700.SAA00491@ladder01.news.aol.com>
May I add my bit here, too?........jealous of you all attending the NYC
meeting tomorrow.......maybe someday I might make it to one.......probably
not, the way things are going, but that is neither here nor there........all
attendees, have a wonderful time
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Re: NYC meeting
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 07:32 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042623324900.TAA08918@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Although I will be checking my e mail in the morning before I leave for the
city. Until then, be good and I will return tomorrow evening with plenty of
stories, I'm sure.
For now all I can say is wish everyone reading this was going to be with us
tomorrow.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: NYC meeting
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 08:17 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042700175400.UAA13821@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks, Nancy,
...And don't you know? WE ARE, in a way, ever and with You All.
Have a most marvelous time.
roe
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Responses to this & that
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 08:35 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042700351000.UAA14441@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Maureen, Welcome to your new home!
Carole #3, Congratulations on your DS's engagement! Sorry about your poor
Pandora's two broken paws. That's got to be a rough for a puppy, and not
much fun for you either. I loved Booked to Die.
Diane in S. Florida, I'm so glad to hear the good news about your sister's
test results! That must be such a relief to know she doesn't have MS.
Roe, What a good friend you were to take care of those big, unruly dogs. I
think all dogs should be given some kind of basic obedience training. With
powerful, energetic ones like those six Labs, it would seem mandatory for
self-preservation! I'm sure you really appreciate your Miss Kailie after
that experience!
MO, Thank you. You are so right. No matter how sick Sunny was, he always
showed me how happy he was to see me when I got home. I always felt so
loved. All I had to do was look at him for him to start wagging his tail.
Dogs teach us the true meaning of devotion and unconditional love. Luckily,
I still have my other dog, Lacey, who is a real sweetheart, and my two cats.
Lita, You know I wouldn't miss a SoCal reunion. I had a great time at the
first two, and I have this one written on my calendar. I thought it was
going to be for lunch, but just let me know the whereabouts of the restaurant
and I'll be there. Sorry if I forgot to e-mail my response. I'm definitely
planning on going. Besides getting to see the rest of you again, I'm looking
forward to meeting Mari Lu.
Shauna, I love the name, Scout, TKAM being one of my all-time favorites. Are
you going to call her Hannah or Scout? Does anyone ever hear of our Scout
that used to post in the old Book Nook?
Re: NYC Meeting: I wish I was going to be there too. I've still never made
it to New York, but when and if I do, I hope to meet all you East Coasters!
Have a great time tomorrow!
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Love and Death on Long Island/The Apostle
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 09:37 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042701373500.VAA21173@ladder03.news.aol.com>
My DH and I went to a double feature last night and were really surprised
that the one I'd been wanting to see for such a long time, The Apostle, was
not nearly as entertaining as the other one which I'd heard relatively little
about. In fact, aside from the powerful acting by Robert Duvall, we both
thought The Apostle was too long and predictable.
On the other hand, we were very pleasantly surprised with Love and Death on
Long Island. It's a comedy about an aloof and stodgy British author named
Giles De'Ath (John Hurt) who is a widower and quite a recluse. He's never
watched television and seems to know nothing about modern technology. One
day he is locked out and goes to a movie. He thinks he's going to an E. M.
Forster film, but winds up in the wrong theater and finds himself
fascinated with an American teen idol named Ronnie Bostock (Jason Priestley).
He becomes totally obsessed with finding out everything about him and
develops a full-fledged crush on Ronnie. The first part of the movie takes
place in London, and the second part in Long Island. (BTW, I thought L.I.
looked like a beautiful place to live. I had no idea! Reminded me a bit of
Cape Cod.) In what is probably the first spontaneous act of his
life, Giles travels to L.I. to meet Ronnie. I won't tell what happens, but
it's very funny and sweet and John Hurt is incredible in this role! DH
enjoyed it too!
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: The Potato Factory, NY
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 09:46 PM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998042701465100.VAA22146@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol, I was one of the posters who loved The Power Of One, such elegant
writing! I've not read the Potato Factory though. Is it wonderful? I asked
at our library but they didn't have it, can anyone give me a clue as to when
it was published? Might it be too new for our library or should I try the
interlibrary loan?
Envying you all in Ny tomorrow!!
Good news, Diane!!!
And Nancy, thanks for sharing the story of Arlene.
Everyone here on the boards will be expecting full and unbiased reports
from NY tomorrow. Each of you will have a different view point so let's hear
them all! Please share with those of us who can't be there.
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: New to this board
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 10:35 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042702350500.WAA28664@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Maureen: Where are you from in Central NY? I'm originally from New Hartford.
Now in South Florida...and if you are from Central NY, you know why!!!
Diane in S. Florida
Reading The Cider House Rules!
Subject: Re: new to this board
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 10:39 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042702393200.WAA27919@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Luigi:
Re: Maureen...I don't know for sure...but speaking only for myself...I left
upstate NY at age 22 and left with my name intact. Notice I am still not
Carole. So maybe it's an age thing...maybe if you stay there past 25 or
something they make you change it to Carole.
Carol in S. Florida
Oooooppps....maybe it came South!
Subject: Re: new to this board
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 10:55 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042702550600.WAA29514@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Cissie: I'm so excited about the library copy of American Pastoral by my bed
now that you have given it your rave review! We always seem to like the same
books. But I am determined not to let the library wield its 10 cents a day
threat over my head and make me stop reading The Cider House Rules in favor
of my shiny library tomes.
Shauna: Congrats!!! Hannah was on my list for a girl's name when my daughter
Haley was born. We were doing H's (after DH's dear departed father Harold)
and R's (after DH's dear departed mother Rita) so she became Haley Rae...but
Hanna was probably choice #2! It's such a powerful name...and palindromic as
well!!!
Carol in Marco: I really didn't realize that you were such a softie when it
comes to babies...I thought you were just being nice looking at my kid
pictures. Our next meeting, I'm going to subject you to the delights of Haley
and Rory. Lately we have been going to Borders (the one you and I first met
at) on Saturdays at 11 for whatever story thing they have going on. Last week
it was Angelina Ballerina and this week it was Shana Banana. The funny
thing was that when I looked more closely at the Borders flyer, I saw that
Saturday 4/25 at 11 a.m. was Shana Banana and at 8 p.m was Shana...acoustic
folk music! I guess she's all things to all generations! Anyway...if you ever
need a "kid hit"...mine are just 90 minutes away!
Also, my last day at my job is 4/30. I'm taking 5/1 for me and 5/2-3 for me
and DH with friends in the Keys. Then on 5/4 I'm on my own! I've decided to
call my company People Dynamics. I'll be focusing on Team Building, but am
doing other projects as well. Wish me luck!!!
Maureen and other newbies: If you think you are having fun now, wait until
May 1 when everyone posts and ranks what they read in April. Watch that TBR
grow!!!
Diane in S. Florida
Reading The Cider House Rules.
Subject: Re: Wonderful Day
Date: Sun, 26 April 1998 11:53 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998042703535000.XAA06993@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jayne - I love living with my hearing impaired husband because we have such
unexpected conversations. I never know what response I'm going to get to a
perfectly ordinary remark. We're been discussing what he should call me, for
instance, instead of just Mary Ann which is what he does call me. We've been
through everything from honey to Bunny to dreamboat -One night I was thinking
of my parents and remembered that my Dad always called my Mom Tootsie after
that WWII song - so I said to DH, "What do you think about calling me
Tootsie?" And in one of his totally normal reactions, he turned to me in
disbelief and said, "Tongue Lee! Why would I call you Tongue Lee?" Needless
to say that's been his favorite ever since.
I know everyone will have a wonderful time in NYC tomorrow. It must be
spring, we're all moving again. We're going to watch Merlin tonight if we
can stay awake for it -
hasta manana -
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Finally Caught Up!!
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 12:59 AM EDT
From: CLKMcG
Message-id: <1998042704594200.AAA11379@ladder03.news.aol.com>
After being gone most of Easter week and just lurking this past week trying
to read all the posts, I feel like I've been gone forever and a day! Where
shall I start?
Barbara: I am so sorry about Sunny. I hope all the happy memories will help
heal your aching heart.
Diana: Hurrah for the good news about your sister! And the best of luck
with People Dynamics!!
Shauna & DH: Congratulations on the arrival of Hannah Scout Smith!!!
Nancy: What a wonderful story about Arlene!
Welcome to our newbies, Jude & Maureen. This is a terrific place filled with
caring, interesting, wonderful people!!
I hope all the Nookers going to the NY gathering will have a great time and
be back to tell us ALL about it!! Currently reading McNALLY'S TRIAL by
Lawerence Sanders.
~Cheri~
"Woe be to him that reads but one book."
.....George Herbert 1593--1633
Subject: North-South-East-West
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:03 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042712031100.IAA25550@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Good Morning America! Here is your very own, personal & unabridged report
from NY City! I am established here (all spread out) at the Chemists' Club
with morning coffee. I met with MariLu & Celesta for a mere 3 hours over a
posh dinner-in-a-diner, nothing could have been finer last night. We only
quit because we wilted en masse - nothing like a 5 am rising & a day in the
air to deflate one's stamina. Again, I was in heaven being allowed to
share grand-baby photos of gorgeous blonde children. Since the three of us
have absolutely nothing else in common, it was kind of MariLu to show the
photos to break the monotony. Just picture the three of us sitting in this
empty room of a deli in NY, in total silence. The TV monito just kept
circling us in wonder, trying to figure out why we were there on a rainy
evening & if & when we were going to pull a heist on the fried rice.
We meet at 9:20, to taxi to the Strand.
You all said is best, when you said every one of you is here either in body
or in spirit - so aren't WE ALL having fun!!
DIANE: Great news about your sister. Your new company name is "powerful" -
go for it!
NANCY: Your Arlene story is more than a tear jerker - it is downright
positive & wonderful. Can't wait to give you a feathery hug today - the
phone calll yesterday was close, but no feather.
JUDY5914: Glad you connected with Leslie - hope your show was a smash - you
deserve it! I am wearing your bird's nest bracelet & have already shown it
to all.
SUE/GAZEBO: POTATO FACTORY is a big, fat paperback I picked up when I was in
Canada in Nov. I loved it so much, I sent it to my Mom. I am going to see
her in Mid-May & if you haven't got it by then, I will gladly send it on to
you - just remind me PLEASE. I just read the part about the enormously fat
woman HATTIE who gets stuck in the railway car - odd, but he has a similar
character in FACTORY who also eats & looks like a Mac Truck. Does
Courtenay have a 'thing' for freakishly large women? Who knows - but he
tells a wonderful story, IMHO - you just have to sit back & let it happen -
just the right amount of description to let your imagination take flight with
the pictures. It's what I call a "graphic tongue" - or pen, in this case.
Anxious to meet the rest of the crew - today is going to be wonderful, I can
feel it. The sun is out, it is cool but terrific walking weather.
Your roving reporter will keep you informed, with all the News from the
Ladies' Room - & then some. I have been known to enter forbidden regions in
order to bring the truth.
The Mild Mannered Marco Maniac - still preening & grooming those damn unruly
feathers!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: new to this board
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:04 AM EDT
From: Dixie80
Message-id: <1998042712041600.IAA25597@ladder03.news.aol.com>
ROFLMAO Carol (dineer). Actually I changed the spelling of my name when I
was in High School because there was a Carol insert maiden name also in the
school and I got in trouble because of her. And I went to High School in
Arkansas. So when you say >>>>>So maybe it's an age thing...maybe if you
stay there past 25 or something they make you change it to Carole.<<<< nah
just the special ones that get stuck in upstate NY that need to
feel different <g>.
Thank you for the laugh this morning!! I needed it this morning after having
3 sick kids in 4 days.
Carole #2 in the Adirondacks
"If you can imagine it,
You can achieve it.
If you can dream it,
You can become it."
-William Arthur Ward
Subject: Re: ny
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:33 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998042712332800.IAA28187@ladder01.news.aol.com>
What fun to have Carole able to post on the happenings in NYC on her laptop!
The immediacy of it shines through. Will she take it to lunch do you suppose
and let her fingers fly over the keyboard as she chats. I watched the Today
Show this morning with hopes of sightings but no luck, hey ladies, get up
early tomorrow, put on those tee-shirts and let us all see you! I think 6:30
am gives you a ringside spot. I did it once, thinking I would just
stay for 20 minutes or so and found myself there for the whole show.
Sue in Mi
Subject: Another newbie
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 09:50 AM EDT
From: Tenisgirl1
Message-id: <1998042713500400.JAA02559@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Good morning!'
I am another lurker coming out of the recesses of the board! Been reading the
posts and enjoying them. You all sound like such a nice group. Some of you I
know from another book group (online) I still belong to! Anyway, I live in
Mass., am an RN who currently works parttime, have one daughter, three pets(
cat, Lab, bird), been married forever (Ha! 25 years--), and love reading
(#1), art, theatre, tennis, animals, needlepoint, cooking, and writing.
Currently, I am reading Loving Chloe, by Jo-ann Mapson, a sequel to Hank and
Chloe. Mostly, I love current fiction. MY favorite authors include: Michael
Dorris, Louise Erdrich, Alice Walker, Toni Morrison, Joyce Carol Oates, Amy
Tan, Ann Patchett, and Ursula Hegi.
Looking forward to getting to know all of you better! Hope you all have a
great time in New York!!
Carol in Mass.
Subject: Re: Dog Story
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 01:36 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998042717360900.NAA15910@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Roe,
You are definitly a freind above and beyond! I also have a bit of experience
with untrained labs and wouldn't willingly be left in charge of one.. much
less six! I'll stick to my calm golden retriever who, when excited, visibly
restrains herself from jumping on people and talks as loud and as long as we
will let her.. she doesn't bark.. she talks.
Gina
Subject: Re: newbie, quiet board
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 03:52 PM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998042719525100.PAA26674@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Welcome to Tenisgirl1, we need another Carol! I love all your favorite
authors so I'll be looking to you for recommendations.
With Judi, Nancy and Marilu and others in NY, it's a quiet place here, should
give some people time to catch up!
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: The Cat Years
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 04:10 PM EDT
From: Leavesie
Message-id: <1998042720100800.QAA29695@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Loved this and sent it on to three buddies online. Thanks.
Subject: Re: Another newbie
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 04:32 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998042720323800.QAA02081@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Welcome Carol! I think we are going to have to name April the Official
Coming out of Lurking month!
Gina
Subject: This and THAT
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 04:35 PM EDT
From: NVLehman
Message-id: <1998042720353400.QAA02340@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Well, I probably the first one back from the fabulous NYC get-together(had to
pick up my girls from school at 3PM)...
They actually told us not to make so much noise at the Strand where Judi,
Joan, Jan, Jayne, Nancy, Nancy, Suzanne, Carol, Barbara, Sally, Mari Lu and I
(oops I'm leaving someone out, sorry) Many of us bought up a storm. Then off
to Chinatown for luch where we were joined by Warren and Mercedes. It was
great to put faces with the names and we were all glad that Steve was well
enough for Jan to make and the Jayne did not let a train/bus schedulesnafu
keep her away.
My haul:
STRANGE TRAFFIC- Irene Dische
PRIDE & PREDATOR- Sally S. Wright
THE STORY OF THE JEWS- Stan Mack--a 4000-year cartoon history
STAR TREK: SPECTRE -- William Shatner (for my DH)
HULLABALOO IN THE GUAVA ORCHARD--Kiran Desai
FATHERS PLAYING CATCH WITH SONS--Donald Hall
ENEMY OF GOD-- Bernard Cornwall
DAUGHTER OF TROY-- Sarah B. Franklin
FREEDOM'S LANDING-- Anne McCaffrey
THE SEASONS OF BEENTO BLACKBIRD-- Akosua Busia
THE SPARROW--Mary Doria Russell
WALKING ON WALNUTS-- Nancy Ring
RUE ORDENER, RUE LABAT-- Sarah Kofman
and for children/young adults:
ISRAEL:THE MAKING OF A MODERN NATION-- Maida Silverman
FLORIZELLA AND THE WOLVES-- Philippa Gregory
JOSIE SMITH AT SCHOOL-- Magdalen Nabb
THE WAY TO SATTIN SHORE-- Philippa Pearce
HOPE'S CROSSING-- Joan Elizabeth Goodman
And I schlepped them all to lunch. Well I'm off to the supermaket, Nina
Subject: This and That
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 04:41 PM EDT
From: NVLehman
Message-id: <1998042720410200.QAA02874@ladder01.news.aol.com>
OOPS, it was Celesta who also met at the Strand.
Welcome Maureen.
Sue ----Jayne delivered a hug from you thanks.Any luck with that Munro
catalogue?
Subject: Re: T.S. Eliot
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 05:34 PM EDT
From: LauraD915
Message-id: <1998042721345200.RAA07176@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Believe it or not, the clue for 36 Across in today's NYT crossward puzzle is:
"________ dare to eat a peach?": Eliot. I love little coincidences like
that. :-)
Laura (in upstate NY) - Just finished All We Know of Heaven; currently
reading Angela's Ashes and Into the Wild
Go Yankees!!!!!!!!!!
Subject: Re: T.S. Eliot
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 05:38 PM EDT
From: LauraD915
Message-id: <1998042721380300.RAA07493@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I meant "crossword". My apologies for the extra post.
Laura (in upstate NY) - Just finished All We Know of Heaven; currently
reading Angela's Ashes and Into the Wild
Go Yankees!!!!!!!!!!
Subject: Re: Another newbie
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 06:15 PM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998042722153600.SAA11426@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Welcome, to yet another Carol..........agree with Gina.......April should be
'coming out of lurking month'........Glad you feel comfortable enough to come
out of lurking mode and join this warm, caring and sometimes crazy group:)
Where 'bouts is MA are you?
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: Re: Another newbie
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 07:04 PM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998042723044100.TAA18220@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Welcome Carol. We can always use another Carol. Soon we can address
everyone as Carol and not have to remember any other names. And The Maniac
can always use a namsake to discuss tennis with. I also love your choice of
authors. We are glad to have you.
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: Big Apple Report - HAREM MEETS
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 07:12 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042723124700.TAA17840@ladder03.news.aol.com>
My toenails ache, & my eyelashes as well. What a day! The Meeting of the
Loyal Harem of Luigi met at the Strand today in New York City - but where oh
where was Luigi? In tears, his loyal followers wandered the aisles, stuffing
themselves with pages & covers - anything to fill the gap left by his
absence. Books, books, & more books -but as any good psychologist will tell
you, second best just won't satisfy. By the time most of the loyal
members had all congregated in one place - & other patrons were staring &
shushing us (some nerve!!) - MariLu, Celesta (honorary member), Carol (a
real one), Nancy NRK, Nancy HC, Suzanne, Jan, Jayne (finally), Sally, Nina,
Judi, Barb(Magpiefly), & Joan - & their pockets were somewhat relieved of
cash - an executive decision was made to follow the Trail of the Grumbling
Tummy to the Silver Palace, wherein an Emperor worthy of such a harem might
reside temporarily. What a relief when the Lord & Master finally arrived -
he had arranged, wisely, to have Mercedes in charge of the rear guard (his,
you know...) & when the coast was clear she was allowed to come in & join us
as well. Luigi outdid himself in the kitchen - what a busy morning he must
have had cooking for all of us - & what a good job he did rolling up all
those wee packages of food. At least no one here complained about our rowdy
enthusiasm as we exchanged photos, took new ones, collected autographs &
gossiped about ALL those not present - believe me - not a Nooker was left
unturned!
We had a few tearful TTFN's here, but the majority started THE LONG WALK.
Some went by taxi, some went by ground, & maybe even a few by air - but we
ended up at KATE'S to take our mortgages & examine & buy in some cases, the
wares. Another short stroll took us to Dean & DeLuca's for coffee & more
talk - without the Harem Master this time. You could see the evidence - the
survival of the fittest - Barb, Nancy & I just wouldn't say "UNCLE" until the
very end. I hopped a taxi, & the last time I saw them around 5:30, they
were headed for a subway.
I took a taxi to the corner of the street - but of course by then I thought I
was good as new - so I got out & walked some more. Up the street, Fifth
"Avenue, to B&N - at 48th Street. Walked around there, casing the joint -
but it just was not the same. I picked up some essentials (fruit, yogurt) &
responsibly headed back to make my report to you all.
Your Roving Big Apple Maniac, hoping your day was as good as mine
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: HELP! and T.S. Eliot
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 07:20 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042723203500.TAA18723@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Laura,
Confession time. I go berserk in happy hysteria when crossword puzzles or
Jeopardy contain a recently discussed item in the classroom, a reference to a
topic of conversation on-line, or an oblique mention of anything occurring
concomitantly with something else in our lives. When my AG class read The
Adventures of Ulysses ( an abridged and adapted version of The Odyessy), they
too were inspired by finding other literary and everyday allusions to the
wonderful creatures and gods and goddesses, as well as demis and monsters,
who inhabit this world. What a kick!
I must say that anyone who completes a NYT crossword (without cheating) is
high on my list of folks to be revered ( I cheat and still have holes), and
thank you for sharing this daily pearl today about TS Elliot. The wonder of
it all. I like those ten minute feel-good versions in daily papers, which
one can complete in a minimum/ modicum of time and then experience a quick
rush. If I work one of those big puzzles, a whole day is lost before
coming up for air. Kudos for you.
<G>
Jackie, Barbara, and Ruth Alice or any of you experienced WEB surfers!
I want to find where this site has gone. This was my message when attempting
to visit, and I have included the defunct hyperlink. The entire Rubiyat was
there, and I am bereft:
FAILED TO PARSE HTTP
tehran.stanford.edu/Literature/Poetry/Omar_Khayyam.html
What should I do and where do I start to find this marvelous document on
line? You All know tricks about which I only dream while pulling scarves and
rabbits out of sweat-stained Stetson hats. HELP! Thank you.
ANIMALS:
Also, just gotta tell all of you. Kailie is perturbed that Solomon ( my
Siamese) is wet and disheveled, so Kailie (80 pounds) has both paws over his
body, licking and doing that tiny little teeth biting manuever to restore
Solomon to his usual glory. Need a video, especially when Solomon reaches
his paws up, claws sheathed of course, to beg Kailie to continue. Now they
are merely nestled together watching TV, in
comraderie. Sometimes the sweetness of it all is just what the Doctor
ordered.
Roe<---parsing(or this that pursing) her lips in consternation and joy of
simple things
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Welcome
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 07:24 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042723240800.TAA19121@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Ha ha - it should not surprise you that Tennis/Carol & I are already
acquainted. I am delighted to see her here & I cannot take the credit for
that - she is acquainted with a few of us already. I will warn you, however,
that you will enjoy her posts, her wit, her perception & the fact that she is
a much better tennis player than I am. She also has a dog - need I say more?
OK - SO HER NAME IS CAROL - only a bonus - one less to remember -
right? Frankly I am finding the total number of Carols very exciting, & know
it will be only a matter of moments before we simply take over this board.
(If you take this seriously - lie down until the feeling goes away, please.)
And just so that you know you heard it from me first, let me say up front,
that in order to keep Nancy honest, the Maniac made her 'usual' appearance in
feathered boa today - even though it was New York, & the damn thing was HOT
to wear! No one else turned a hair - but there were a few twitched of the
nose, a sneeze or two, & I swear I saw an eyebrow go up.
Maniacally yours,
Just call me "Another Carol"
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Big Apple Report - HAREM MEETS
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 07:38 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042723381600.TAA20706@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Carol in Marco,
You are a friend indeed. Am laughing and loving the reports all of the way
from my provincial (but beloved) town to there: NYC
Your thoughtfulness and humor are so appreciated. Not everyone would be so
reliable and resourceful to include us shut-ins! I just want to ask one
thing: Who spent the most money? Maybe two things: Who gossiped? All of
you? Shame, shame, shame! Perhaps three things: Who told you how much it
might mean to the rest of us to bring your laptop along and share delights
with us still sitting here behind a computer? Thank you, Dear One. We
appreciate the vicarious experience. So much. I will not tell you what a
sweet extension of dynamic self that involves. Shoot, I might get maudlin
and sentimental, and sloppy tears on the keyboard short-circuit further
communication.
Thank you again.
Roe
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Anne Tyler
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:01 PM EDT
From: Rickie122
Message-id: <1998042800011500.UAA23422@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Ann -- Tongue Lee --- I totally cracked up!!
Shauna -- am crazy about the name Hannah Scout.
Nancy -- the story about Arlene was wonderful.
Barb -- really sorry about Sunny
Welcome, Jude and Maureen.
Also welcome to Tenisgirl (Carol in Mass) you will love it here and beware,
it's addictive.
Sue -- I was wondering why it was so quiet - Thanks for reminding me that
some of our most prolific posters are in NYC --actually I've been thinking
about them and envying them. Oh well, we have Bookstock'98 to look forward
to. I can hardly wait.
I bought Anne Tyler's Patchwork Planet over a week ago and am deliberately
putting off starting it -- anticipation makes it sweeter. I have loved everry
book she's ever written, even though I know some are better than others.
Still reading Richard Russo' s Straight Man and really liking it.
Rickie in MI, who is full of enthusiasm today.
Woman's virtue is man's greatest invention.
- Cornelia Otis Skinner
Subject: Marco maniac sighting..
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:04 PM EDT
From: Tenisgirl1
Message-id: <1998042800045900.UAA23852@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hi,
Yes, as Carol (Marco Island one) mentioned earlier, we do know each other
from another on-line sight. And yes, we both play tennis..although she plays
far more often than I do! And , I even bet SHE is the better player! By the
way, Carol, my tennis partner is now on Marco Island! I told her to be on the
lookout for you....boa, and tennis racquet in hand! Then, I remembered you
would be in NY!
Nance: I am about 15 miles north of Boston. Where are you?
Thank you all for your warm welcomes. Oh, and yeah, I do own a dog. A crazy,
bouncy, eating-maniac black Lab. Oh- that's right---aren't ALL Labs like
that?!
Carol in
Subject: Re: HELP! and T.S. Eliot
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:06 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042800065200.UAA24079@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Roe, I don't know what happened to your hyperlink. Sometimes they just don't
seem to work anymore. I got the same message you did. However, I did find a
new hyperlink for you at
Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam that should do the trick.
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: The Cat Years
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:07 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998042800074000.UAA25551@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Scary . . . do you know, this almost exactly describes Jill these days?
She's 14 and we've all been saying that she's definitely a teenager.
Selective hearing, talking back, doing her own thing. I never realized that
was because she'd turned into a cat! Puts a whole new perspective on things
. . .
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: Misc
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:17 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998042800172100.UAA25386@ladder03.news.aol.com>
New York: Mom is home, but far too tired to even think about getting online
tonight (or so she claims). She says, however, that she had a wonderful
time. I can't believe the people at the Strand were hushing you all . . .
last time we were there, they took photos for us!! What a switch.
It sounds like it was a great day, though. Mom tells me that everyone was
nice and funny (even if she kept getting confused between real names/screen
names), and that it was great seeing old booknook friends and making new
ones. (sigh) And I was stuck at work.
(And when I say stuck, I mean it. I missed Friday so my desk was swamped
this morning--it took me three hours before I could even think about doing
Monday's work, and then that was unusually plentiful, too. I'm amazed I only
needed to stay an extra half hour until I could leave tonight. There is no
way on earth I could have made it to NY today!)
Anyway, Mom tells me that you all didn't talk about me too much, so I guess
it's okay, and I'm glad you all had a good time.
Have fun!!
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: Re: Another newbie
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:25 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042800254400.UAA27725@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Welcome to yet another Carol! This is probably the quietest day to come out
of lurking and announce yourself since so many are away at the NY gathering.
Good taste in authors and an animal and theater lover too! I think you've
come to just the right place, and you'll fit right in with this wonderful
group!
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Cyber Baby
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:32 PM EDT
From: MOGMNY
Message-id: <1998042800321700.UAA28510@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shauna, I love that name, Scout has always been on of my favorite characters
from To Kill A Mockingbird. I think Demi Moore and Bruce Willis have a
daughter named Scout too. Congratulations and bravo on the choice of names.
Mo in SB
Subject: Re: Another newbie
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:36 PM EDT
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998042800362300.UAA29005@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Carol (in Mass) Welcome to our friendy nook. Judging by your bio, I see you
will fit right in. Post often!
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: A NYC Nooker Reporting In...
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:43 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042800434300.UAA28542@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Another NYC Reunion Nooker Reporting In... Yes, you ALL were with us in
Spirit today! We conducted a group chant, after the conferring of Schining
Gold Stars at lunch, naming each and every one of you! In alphabetical order,
by state, name and social security number. <g>
And now for my report: Joan/SilvLocMom and I had an uneventful ride into
Manhattan on the train. She regaled me with stories of the interesting and
amusing people she met on her wonderful cruise. (Hey Deb, next time we hope
you can join us, OK?) We met Nancy/NRK, the Great BookNook Reunion Organizer
Extraordinaire, at Penn Station... well actually SHE found US... we country
bumpkins (sorry Joan, I should speak for myself) were
wandering around looking lost. After a harrowing cab ride downtown, Nancy did
her best to encourage (euphemism) us to buy, buy, BUY at The Strand. Then
there's The Carol Maniac, who did indeed look resplendent in her white
feathered boa, I kid you not. Her table dance, however, was most restrained.
Seriously, what a delight she is to talk to. It was pure joy to meet Mari Lu
at last on her official NYC de-virgining trip. (sorry Gina, is
that a no-no?). She is a VERY talented writer and woman of wit and charm. Her
friend Celesta became an instant member of our group, fitting in famously.
Judi/WriteJudi wreaked shoppers' havoc in Kate's Paperie... disappearing for
long periods of time, only to emerge again with rolls upon rolls of paper
treasures. I was most disappointed that she brought NO kelp with her,
however. Jayne's/YankeeNana early a.m. train didn't show
up, but she didn't miss a beat and made it, finally, unswayed from her
determination to contribute to the day's fun. And what a fun lady she is; her
eyes positively sparkle with mischief. (She also managed to get THE biggest
hug from Warren!) When Jan appeared at The Strand there were many tearful
hugs all round; everyone was SO glad she could make it! What a gal, and a
lovely, smart one at that. Nina, I didn't get much chance to
talk to you, or even SEE you! Was that YOU I saw on bended knee in the
stacks? Were you searching for your next purchase? :) Nancy in PA and
Suzanne/Skill40 arrived together, driving in and finding a parking spot right
across the street! And here I thought they were unsure about getting around
the city! Way to go women! Merc, I'm so glad you could join us for lunch!
Wish we could have had more time to talk. And last but not
least, our very own Warren AKA Luigi AKA Sandquist et al. He presided over
our repast with his usual savoir faire, wearing his Schining Star with style.
What a guy! When he left us, he SAID he was hailing a cab to go back to
work... HA! I suspect he just wanted The STrand all to himself so he could
shop without his Harem observing his purchases...
OK... sorry this was so long folks. But we DID have a wonderful day and
missed every one of you. Signing off for now to rest my weary bod, watch Ally
McBeal and The PRactice.
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Strand Purchases
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:46 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042800464600.UAA00327@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Today's "damage" at The Strand:
- AMERICAN PASTORAL, a first edition thanks to Mari Lu!
- REMAINS OF THE DAY (thanks Judi for the suggestion)
- DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF FOR FAMILIES
- STONES FROM THE RIVER
- GRIFFIN AND SABINE (which I have read but wanted to own)
- THE NAME OF THE ROSE
- a book about de-cluttering your life, can't remember the title
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: What I've Learned in Life
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:49 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042800491000.UAA29173@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I got this in my e-mail from Cheryl (Celh1220) who hasn't been posting for a
long time, but I'm sure most of you will remember. I liked it so much that
I'm going to share it with all of you:
>>What I've Learned in Life
>>
>>I've learned that you cannot make someone love you. All you can do is be
>>someone who can be loved. The rest is up to them.
>>
>>I've learned that no matter how much I care, some people just don't care
>>back.
>>
>>I've learned that it takes years to build trust and only seconds to
>>destroy it.
>>
>>I've learned that it's not what you have in your life but who you have
>>in your life that counts.
>>
>>I've learned that you can get by on charm for about fifteen minutes.
>>After that, you'd better know something.
>>
>>I've learned that you shouldn't compare yourself to the best others can
>>do but to the best you can do.
>>
>>I've learned that it's not what happens to people that's important, it's
>>what they do about it.
>>
>>I've learned that you can do something in an instant that will give you
>>heartaches for life.
>>
>>I've learned that no matter how thin you slice it, there are always two
>>sides.
>>
>>I've learned that it's taking me a long time to become the person I want
>>to be.
>>
>>I've learned that it's a lot easier to react then it is to think.
>>
>>I've learned that you should always leave loving ones with loving words.
>>It may be the last time you see them.
>>
>>I've learned that you can keep going long after you think you can't.
>>
>>I've learned that we are responsible for what we do, no matter how we
>>feel.
>>
>>I've learned that either you control your attitude or it controls you.
>>
>>I've learned that heroes are people who do what has to be done when it
>>has to be done, regardless of the consequences.
>>
>>I've learned that learning to forgive takes practice.
>>I've learned that there are people who love you dearly, but just don't
>>know how to show it.
>>
>>I've learned that money is a lousy way of keeping score.
>>
>>I've learned that my best friend and I can do anything or nothing at all
>>and still have the best time.
>>
>>I've learned that sometimes the people you expect to kick you when you
>>are down will be the ones to help you back up.
>>
>>I've learned that sometimes when I'm angry I have the right to be angry,
>>but that doesn't give me the right to be cruel.
>>
>>I've learned that true friendship continues to grow, even over a long
>>distance. The same goes for Love.
>>
>>I've learned that just because someone doesn't love you the way you want
>>them to, doesn't mean they don't love you with all they have.
>>
>>I've learned that maturity has more to do with what types of experiences
>>you've had and what you've learned from them and less to do with the
>>number of birthdays you celebrated.
>>
>>I've learned that no matter how good a friend is, they're going to hurt
>>you every once in a while and you must forgive them for that.
>>
>>I've learned that it isn't always enough to be forgiven by others.
>>Sometimes you have to learn to forgive yourself.
>>
>>I've learned that no matter how bad your heart is broken, the world
>>doesn't stop for your grief.
>>
>>I've learned that our background and circumstances may have influenced
>>who we are, but we are responsible for who we become.
>>
>>I've learned that sometimes when my friends fight, I'm forced to choose
>>sides even when I don't want to.
>>
>>I've learned that just because two people argue, it doesn't mean they
>>don't love each other. And just because they don't argue, it doesn't
>>mean that they do.
>>
>>I've learned that sometimes you have to put the individual ahead of
>>their actions.
>>
>>I've learned that we don't have to change friends if we understand that
>>friends change.
>>
>>I've learned that you shouldn't be eager to find out a secret. It could
>>change your life forever.
>>
>>I've learned that two people can look at the exact same thing and see
>>something totally different.
>>
>>I've learned that no matter how you try to protect your children they
>>will get hurt and you will hurt in the process.
>>
>>I've learned that there are many ways of falling and staying in love.
>>
>>I've learned that no matter the consequences, those who are honest with
>>themselves get farther in life.
>>
>>I've learned that your life can be changed in a matter of hours by
>>people who don't even know you.
>>
>>I've learned that even when you think you have no more to give when a
>>friend cries out to you, you will find the strength to help.
>>
>>I've learned that writing as well as talking, can ease emotional pains.
>>
>>I've learned that credentials on the wall do not make a decent human
>>being.
>>
>>I've learned that the people you care most about in life are taken from
>>you too soon.
>>
>>I've learned that although the word "Love" can have many different
>>meanings. It loses value when overly used.
>>
>>I've learned that it's hard to determine where to draw the line between
>>being nice and not hurting peoples feelings and standing up for what you
>>believe.
>>
>>I've learned that no matter how many friends you have, if you are their
>>pillar, you will feel lonely and lost at the times you need them most.
>>
>>
>>Author Unknown
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: A NYC Nooker Reporting In...
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 08:51 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042800512500.UAA00947@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thank You,
MISS SALLY!
roe
You told us so much neat stuff!
translated: you told us so much neat stuff
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Funny Stuff
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 09:04 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042801044100.VAA01188@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I seem to be making up for the absence of some of our prolific posters today
all by myself, but when I read this other e-mail (also from Cheryl), I
thought you'd enjoy the funny stuff too:
> - Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery?
> - How do I set my laser printer on stun?
> - How is it possible to have a civil war?
> - If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting?
> - If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?
> - If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown too?
> - If the #2 pencil is the most popular, why is it still #2?
> - If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it?
> - If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?
> - Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?
> - If the black box flight recorder is never damaged during a plane
crash,
>why isn't the whole airplane made out of the stuff?
> - Why is there an expiration date on sour cream?
> - I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help
>section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.
> - Should crematoriums give discounts for burn victims?
> - If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?
> And,
> - Whose cruel idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have a "S" in it?
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: What I've Learned in Life
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 09:07 PM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998042801071801.VAA02870@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks, Barbara, for passing those on to us. And please say hi to Cheryl for
me and tell her she's missed.
I'm loving each and every report from NY. More, more!
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: HELP! and T.S. Eliot
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 09:07 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042801072300.VAA02885@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thank you Barbara,
But I got the first 60 verses, most of them about wine. The link was then to
Iran, quite intrestesting. I will continue looking for the whole blamed
thing. Perhaps the flea market on Saturday will do the trick. You are
really nice to go searching for me, and may I return the favor in any way?
Smiling.
Roe
And, strange to tell, among that Earthen Lot
Some could articulate, while others not:
And suddenly one more impatient cried---
"Who *is* the Potter, pray, and who the Pot?"
***** Thanks again, Barbara!
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: HELP! and T.S. Eliot
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 09:28 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042801284600.VAA04054@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Roe, Sorry about that, but I think I found your original hyperlink this time.
Try this one Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam The URL for this one is
http://tehran.stanford.edu/Literature/Poetry/Omar_Khayyam.html
I forgot to mention it earlier but I LOVED your story about Kailie and
Solomon. The mental video it gave me was almost as delightful as seeing it
in person! Thank you!
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There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: The NY experience.
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 09:37 PM EDT
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998042801374700.VAA06469@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Warning: This is the unabridged version.
To order copies on audio send 9.95 in Strand Gift Certificates to Skill40!
Yes, it's true. Carol was wearing a feather boa all through lunch. There will
be pictures to prove it!
What a wonderful group of people.
My morning started in the parking lot of Borders in Bridgewater NJ where I
met up with Nancy in Pa. HRDCOVERS. I got into her car like it was an
everyday occurance. It was as if we'd known eachother a lifetime. There was
never even the slightest lul in conversation.
We arrived at the Strand to find Miss Sally and Joan at the entrance. I
figure Nancy assigned them the official greeters. Nancy was already
navigating the stacks. But where was Jayne?????? Train schedule problems kept
her from getting there at her original ETA. Next I met Nina and Celesta.
Celesta? but where is MariLu? She was also back there somewhere. Finally,
there's Nancy. New hairstyle...she looks great! Well...let's shop, we're
bound to meet
more nookers.
A salesgirl at the Strand thought we were librarians and offered us a tour.
No thanks...we have Nancy! Besides, would you be telling a group of
librarians to shushh? In his defense, he was trying to talk on the phone.
Downstairs at the table where I found all 8 of the 2 books that I was
limiting myself to, I met The Marco Maniac and Judi. Everything I would have
expected them to be had I had any expectations! Back upstairs with my arms
fully loaded and there are Jan and Barbara. Jan was another of those people
that you feel you know. Well, I guess cause I do know her pretty well from
the nook. Barbara.....something about her reminds me of my sister Barbara.
Naturally, I took a liking to her. I was very suprised when she told her age.
I won't tell. Just trust me, she doesn't look it!
So here we are..all loaded down with books, when what to my wandering ears do
I hear? The familiar New England accent of a Yankee! Finally, my good friend,
Jayne made it!!!!
Nothing was going to stop her from making this trip. I heard she hitch hiked
a ride in the back of an ElCamino to get there! After working up a healthy
appetite shopping, Nancy did the the teacher thing and rounded us all up for
the next stop on our field trip. We all taxied ( not like an airplane) to 50
Bowery.
How come no one so far has mentioned that we crossed the picketline of angry
Chinese people shouting "Shame on You!",and carrying plackards that were
written in Chinese? I think they were afraid we were going into Carvel in
Chinatown. That would be shameful! oops...didn't a couple of you go to Carvel
after lunch? You should be ashamed of yourselves!.
Anyway.....lunch? Lots of food, conversation, laughter, photos, not much book
talk.
On our way back from the ladies room, a couple of us got an interesting
glimpse of_________!
The Emperor and Mercedes joined us for lunch and the group was complete. We
all took turns feeding and fanning the Emperor. I think Carol even massaged
his feet! suffice it to say, he was a happy camper surrounded by his adoring
subjects.
Next stop...Kate's Paperie. Since Ms. Nancy forgot the rope for this walk, we
all had to hold hands so no one would get lost. We had a lovely walk in the
sun and found ourselves in paper heaven where we spread like ants throughout
the store. I think Judi had to buy that piece of handmade paper that she
drooled on. Had I been nearby, I would have gladly given her a tissue! Jayne
was kind enough to babysit my Strand bag while I shopped. Don't worry, I
counted them later, they were still all there! After saying our goodbyes
Nancy and I headed for home. Sorry NancyNRK, I missed you. You were still at
the other book store
( yes folks, you read that right, other book store) when we left and I
didn't get to thank you for orchestrating an awesome field trip. Did you mark
my Delaney card present for today?
Back at Borders' parking lot, Nancy and I couln't help going inside. Hey, we
might have missed something! Nah! I never took my wallet out at Borders. Why
would I? it was empty anyway!
So that's it folks..my unabridged version of the NY Field Trip.
Here's my list of today's books:
Reader's Block by David Markson---- Don't ask...it spoke to me.
Emerald City by Jennifer Egan I loved her Invisible Circus
A Fortunate Man: The Story of a Country Doctor
and Photocopies---both by John Berger.....I loved his To The Wedding
The Beloved
and The Vision---both by Kahlil Gibran----- these two would not let me
out of their grip!
Antarctic Navigation by Elizabeth Arthur----Judi foud this for me.
RuthAlice...Since you rated this with the same fervor as
Wonder Book and Giovanni, I knew I had to finally pick it up. I always
resisted it because of it's size. But now that I have to do these exercises
for my shoulder, the weight of it will come in handy. Besides, I thought it
was written by Bea Arthur!!!!! That thought didn't thrill me!
A Yellow Raft in Blue Water by Michael Dorris-----Jan made me buy it!!!!
My bill at the strand? Not the highest.....a mere $52.00
That's it for me! Nite all!
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Re: Another newbie
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 09:40 PM EDT
From: VKRN
Message-id: <1998042801405400.VAA05469@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Welcome Carol
I am in the lurking mode because of school. (have returned to pursue
Master's). I am also an RN and reading is my passion, but currently have no
time to read so I "listen" to books on tape.
Congratulations Shauna! Lovely name: Hannah Scout.
A quick Hi to Jayne and Sue in Mi. I miss talking to you both. Just
sooooooo busy!
Current "reading" Pretent You Don't See Her
Venda in Illinois
Carpe Diem
Subject: Quotes
Date: Mon, 27 April 1998 10:25 PM EDT
From: JackieML7
Message-id: <1998042802255100.WAA10840@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I received this WONDERFUL site in my e-mail today and thought you word-lovers
would enjoy it: HeartQuote Archive URL is
http://www.webcom.com/hrtmath/IHM/Library/Quotes/archive.html
There are quotes on so many subjects on this site! If you are looking for a
quote to put in your signature--perhaps this is the place for you. you can
also subscribe (free) to receive quotes in your e-mail. I plan to do
that--what a fun kind of e-mail to receive!
ENJOY!!
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <----Home of the JAZZ
Live your life as an exclamation...not an explanation.
~~~Author Unknown
Subject: BooHoo
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 12:57 AM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998042804572200.AAA27883@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I could scream, cry, tear out my hair.
Today was so wonderful in NY with our Virtual Reality Cyberpals in the
latest BookNookFest. I came home glowing and wrote a brilliant (ahem!) report
of this perfect day. It was long, all inclusive and gave glowing reports of
these terrific folk. Some were NYBookfest Veterans {NRK, WriteJudi,
SilvrlocMom, NVLehman,
Yankee-'I don't have an accent'-Nana, Miss Sally aka Aymster, MercG and, to
balance the bevy of females, our Luigi, who represented a host of heroes and
raffish villains}
Others were NYBookfest Virgins {Maggiepiefly. Hrdcovers, Skill 40, Marilu,
her pal Celesta, and, last but not least, our boa-ed BookNookManiac,
Gradglass}.
I then got bounced off and lost my post.
Then, being so enthusiastic about every second of this lovely day, I decided
to take the time to re-write my reflections. Again, I wrote and wrote!
Arggghhhhh! It happened again. I lost everything.
Well, they do say, "Trick me once, it's AOL's fault; trick me twice and it's
mine." Of course I should have written off line, especially the second time,
but I didn't. I couldn't believe when my post disappeared twice but what
could I do except stamp my feet and howl?
To give you a mini-version of the day, here goes: Smile, hug, grin, laugh,
:-), guffaw, hug, titter, talk books, giggle, buy books, enrich The Strand's
coffers, grin, taxi, laugh, eat, giggle, :-) sneeze at feathers, laugh,
walk, bargain with street merchants, enrich Kate's Paperie, chat, talk,
laugh, walk, pose in front of a huge female fertility statue for Fredonia's
gallery of photos, then smile, hug, and sadly :-( say goodbye.
*******************************************
Barbara-Steve and I loved the film To Live and Die on Long Island. Are you
aware that it is a modernized remake of Thomas Mann's Death in Venice. John
Hurt was wonderful, as usual, but I can see that this film might not have a
mass appeal.
Welcome to our newbies, Maureen and Jude, to Shauna's tenderest newbie,
little Miss Hannah Scout. Hi to an old friend TenisGirl. I do believe we soon
shall all be a-Caroling on BookNook. Not only do we have our fair share of
Carols and Caroles but MCMala, isn't Coral just a typo of Carol?
Now to get this posted before it too disappears into the ether.
Jan, a happy NYBookFest participant.
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Re: The NY experience.
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 02:09 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998042806092900.CAA02467@ladder01.news.aol.com>
OK...I've read what sounds like a wonderful day in New York and I admit to
being a little green. But, have I missed something? I cannot imagine a day
with Judi without chocolate. How did she get by???
Lita - a little jealous in SoCal!
Subject: Re: Funny Stuff
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 06:16 AM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998042810163800.GAA08987@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks Barbara........loved them....
Nance in MA
Subject: Tuesday
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 07:26 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042811265300.HAA11201@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I am up early, recovered, & anxious to go again.
OOPS: I want you to know, that JUDI SHOOK POWDERED COCOA/CHOCOLATE ALL OVER
THE TOP OF HER COFFEE!!! Now, do you feel better folks? Now you know it was
the REAL Judi & not an impostor.
Alex seems to be missing me just the right amount, & after a stint in the
Jewelry Exchange today, to renew old times as a gemmologist, I am off to meet
my friend Karen from Marco Island (where else - at the Strand?) to see if she
had any luck in getting us tickets for Broadway tonight. I think it's going
to be sneaker day today!
Hope your day is as good as mine is planned to be - I loved reading
everyone's posts about what we did yesterday. Just like reading a book -
everyone gets something different out of it - & it all bears telling.
The Maniac prepares to bite the Apple again ----
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Wonderful, Wonderful
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 07:35 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042811351500.HAA10169@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I SURVIVED THE NY BOOK REUNION!!!
Returned home last night at 7 elated at meeting with book nookers - new and
old faces, satiated from good food and poorer from my book purchases.
Today the real world is here - off to work and home to laundries etc.
My list of book purchases will be noted when they arrive- for now I only
remember buying American Pastoral for the book group.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: NYC....
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 08:45 AM EDT
From: SilvlocMom
Message-id: <1998042812451400.IAA13385@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Another perfect day in NYC.. it must be the special magic of the BookNookers
that ensures us such great weather when we meet there.
It was great to see everyone again and meet some new faces.. although I was
having a hard time remembering everyone.. must be that my brain turned to
mush while on vacation.
I thought the attitude of the people at the Strand was terribly less then
friendly, we were after all in a store, not a church or a library. Geez,
really. I think Nancy told them a thing or two though... way to go Nancy.
I loved walking through the city with our field trip group, we stayed
together very nicely too.. not too much wandering off. Tried haggling with a
merchant over a $6 pen and he just turned and walked away from me !! Somehow
I just don't seem to have the knack!!
Got back into Denville around 6:30 and met up with DH and Deb at Charlie
Browns for a bite to eat. I was fading very fast, couldn't wait to get home
and sleep in front of the TV. I'm not used to so much activity as I've had
the past 10 days.. seems to be catching up with me.
I'm glad I went to NY it was great as usual. The BookNook is full of such
wonderful people.
Joan in NJ
Subject: Re: Another newbie
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 08:59 AM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042812593400.IAA15491@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Welcome to our board tenis girl -- I absolutely can't believe we have another
Carol.
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Ooops
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 09:17 AM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042813175200.JAA16522@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Dear Barbara from Lk. Ronkonkama/Magpiefly... can you EVER forgive me!
People, she was with us at our BookNook Gathering yesterday and I left this
lovely lady out of my abbreviated (?) narrative. I'm so sorry, Barb. She is a
classy, literate woman, people, I kid you not, and MUCH too modest about
herself!
Sally
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Omar
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 09:21 AM EDT
From: C234D
Message-id: <1998042813214200.JAA16740@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Eor--I went to the first part of your URL and proceeded to what you may have
been looking for (follow that?)-- Poetry Home Page. I hope this hyperlink
works for you. If not, just write in the address through Literature, and the
poetry page comes up. There was a message about making some changes
somewhere, which probably caused your problem.
Welcome, Carol/Tenisgirl1! Join the party!
Roe-loved the story about your pets! Our golden retriever is so preoccupied
with my daughter's new kitten, she gets no peace!
Barbara K--Enjoyed your posts from Cheryl. Hope she's doing well.
Glad the weather was so cooperative for the NYC meeting! Sounds like you all
had a ball.
Ally McBeal fans--Apparently the Vonda Shepard CD of the TV show soundtrack
is available now. WPLJ in NYC has been featuring it in the AM--they're Vonda
fans. She was on the show the other morning but I missed it.
Carolyn on Long Island, reading WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR and TRACK OF THE CAT by
Nevada Barr
Subject: Re: Horror movies/Nall/link
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 11:03 AM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998042815031900.LAA21831@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Leslie -- I must be doing something wrong, too. How do I get the article
about you from this web site? "Inquiring minds want to know".
cissie
Subject: Help wanted!!!
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 03:37 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998042819372201.PAA11787@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I'm brainlessly sitting here trying to think of party games for the baby
shower we're having for DD and DSIL on Sunday - 60 people and what do I do
with them? It seems like too big a group to play with. I thought about
having everyone or one from each couple get up and introduce themselves and
tell how they knew the happy couple because lots of people won't know anyone
else, but
the kids screamed when I suggested it. I have a couple of ideas, but if
anyone has any suggestions I would be thrilled to hear them. I'd like to be
a little creative (not to mention organized!)
Thanks -
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Re: Help wanted!!!
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 04:46 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042820462800.QAA18126@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Ann, Wow! 60 people sounds like a huge baby shower! I don't know how
long you are planning for everyone to stay, but better leave plenty of time
for the
opening of the gifts so the guests of honor aren't rushed. Assign someone to
keep
a record of who gives what and give people some time just to socialize.
Something we did at the last baby shower I attended was fun and different.
Everyone
brought a baby picture of themself. The hostess passed around each photo with
a
number on the back. The person who guessed the most correct won. You need
to
mention it ahead of time though, so it might be too late for that.
There's a LOT of clever ideas for baby shower games at Free Baby Shower
Games/Gift Ideas from Baby N... Good luck on Sunday!
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Re: Anne Tyler
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 05:00 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998042821005600.RAA20784@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shauna -- Wonderful name! Now, what are you going to call her? Of course,
we Southerners don't have to pick -- we just use both!
The only way to catch up is to take a day at a time and work backwards. So
far, I've read a bit about the reunion and it sounds like a blast. Not too
quiet, though! Imagine being called down in a bookstore. Horrors!
Cissie, off to read April 27
Subject: Re: BooHoo
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 05:12 PM EDT
From: BKarvelas
Message-id: <1998042821125400.RAA22022@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jan, I know how you felt. That has happened to me so many times, but thanks
for persisting and writing something again. I enjoyed your abbreviated
version anyway. I
usually give up in disgust after it happens twice!
I'm glad you and Steve enjoyed Love and Death on Long Island too! I guess
you have to have our particular kind of sense of humor to really appreciate
it. I never saw or read the more serious Death in Venice. This movie was
actually based on a novel by Gilbert Adair that was a satire of Death in
Venice. In an interview, director Kwietniowski said:
It's impossible in 1997 to write a completely original story. There's only so
many
stories in the world. So that was quite important to the concept of the book.
This
was, if you like, a sort of rock n' roll "Death in Venice", as somebody
described it.
To me it was less important because I was once removed from that because it
was
based on the book. And I wanted to make a film that somebody who'd never ever
heard of the novel or the film "Death in Venice" would appreciate.
Barbara (reading The Book of Ruth and Black and Blue)
There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats.
--Albert Schweitzer (who forgot the third refuge....books)
Subject: Such NYC fun!
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 05:19 PM EDT
From: DGArmstron
Message-id: <1998042821195700.RAA21442@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Boy oh boy am I ever sorrrrrrry I missed this NYC get together!!! Sounds like
so much fun...I'm so glad you all got there and many thanks to all who posted
about it.....it's so much fun reading your takes on the day!! I promise when
school is out, I'll make the next one.... miss all of you.
Welcome to all the new BN'ers....especially to Hannah Scout. Take care of
yourself, Shauna, and get some rest (if you can!)
Thanks, also, to all who have posted URL's.....I've used several for my
health classes at school and really appreciate this sharing we do!
Enjoy spring everyone.....it's great to be alive!
Diane in NJ
"...like friends, books have gone into the making of whatever and whoever I
am."
Kevin Starr
Subject: Party ideas
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 05:29 PM EDT
From: Silverloc2
Message-id: <1998042821292200.RAA22401@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I don't know about baby shower ideas, but my sister came up with the best
idea for my niece's 9th birthday next month. Instead of a sleep-over, she's
having a Breakfast Party. All of Tiffany's friends are invited to come over
at 10:00, still in the nightgowns/pajamas, and have breakfast! Patty's
making waffles and having cereal and muffins and breakfast stuff. The
birthday cake is going to be decorated like a cereal box--only instead
of "Special K" it'll say "Special T". For a crafty-thing, they were going to
paint pillowcases, except she doesn't have enough table space for 9
pillowcases, so they're painting socks instead. (Hey, it fits the theme--you
put on socks when you get dressed in the morning!) I think this is one of
the best ideas for a kid's birthday party I've heard in a long time, and just
had to mention it. Isn't my sister clever?
Deb in NJ
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy, geography, ... and agriculture, in order to give
their
sons a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, ...and
porcelain."
--John Adams
Subject: Re: Help wanted!!!
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 06:06 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042822060300.SAA26270@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Ann,
( No Martha Stewart here) One idea I just thought of, which means it is
untried and possibly disastrous, is to hold a lottery of sorts. If a due
date has been ordained, someone can circulate with a legal pad or slips of
paper and have all the guests guess a due date, time, hour, second -the
blessed event will occur. An easy ice-breaker, the associated conversation
might just produce some anecdotal tales without putting the couple on the
spot.
Have a real monetary prize or gift established (perpetuating communication),
and the interest engendered will definitely enliven the group, even if they
do not know each other. Competitive games, or gambling, piques the interest
of everyone, and this idea would certainly help to dissuade the formal nature
of most showers. Too many "oohs" and "ahs" turn a shower into Sunday Circle
Meeting. Just a thought.
Roe<-----who loses the pool of whatever every year
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Reunion
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 06:26 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042822264700.SAA28510@ladder03.news.aol.com>
<<With Judi, Nancy and Marilu and others in NY, it's a quiet place here,
should give some people time to catch up!>>
Sue - are you trying to tell me I am a big mouth writer. Should have seen me
bargaining yesterday over a fanny pack for a certain man in our midst.
Wonderful, wonderful reunion. I really can't do justice to the day but will
rely on all of the other more eruidite members of our group.
Suffice it to say that finally meeting Nancy (HRDCOVERS) Mari Lu, Barb
(Magpiefly) and Celesta for the first time was a great treat and greeting all
of the other people I've met before was also super. Funny but now when I
meet with some who I have seen fairly frequently since July, its like being
with old friends. Would you beleive that this is the Fourth Year that Carol
(GRADGLASS) and I have met for an online book group reunion? The long and
short is that if you ever have an opportunity to meet with someone either in
yoru own hometown or elsewhere do it.
BTW - YankeeNana receives my award for being the best traveler yesterday.
She left her house before 6:30 and at 7:15 phoned to say the train never
arrived and she would be taking a bus which would arrive at 11:30. She made
it to The Strand and hurriedly bought two books as we were almost leaving for
lunch. And she didn't retrun home much till after 9;30. I'd travel with her
anyday. She also showed pictures from her odyssey and everyone looked
great. Its so much fun to see faces of those people who we've been writing
to for sometime.
And also we were all so happy to see Jan and to hear that Steve is doing
better. I think thats because Jan takes such good care of him.
OK Ok - now I'm planning to travel to Book Fest 98 so I hope to see many new
faces there as well.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: HELP! and T.S. Eliot
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 06:33 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998042822331200.SAA29182@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Barbara,
You are too much. Thank you for your legwork. I feel like a Diva receiving
roses without performing, smug and satisfied (not really, just grateful and
appreciative), although now, because of you and a few others, I am attempting
to experiment a little more with the adjunct links. Isn't it strange how we
can look a gift horse in the mouth on line, without acknowledgement of what
it is, with trepidation and awe, but course right through real life
obstacles? I am learning fast. Again I thank you, and express appreciation
to Jackie and Marilu and All Ya'll who provide these wonderful links without
urls. Is that kinda like no kinks in my curls? Laughing and smiling, I
remain ever the learner.
Roe<---who thinks you Folks are the Greatest
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: The NY experience.
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 06:39 PM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042822391700.SAA01329@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Skill - I realized last night as I drifted off that I indeed forget to say
good-bye to you. So sorry.
BTW - you reminded me of those pesky little cards which I used to keep
attendance on when I taught high school. For those that don't know delany
cards are minsucle cards where the entire school year by month is on the back
and you cross off a students absence. Believe it or not, I still have both
the book and all of the cards just in case....
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: The NY experience.
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 07:07 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998042823073700.TAA03233@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hi everybody -
I got to the Silver Palace last and was a bit taken aback by the picket line.
I felt like a scab venturing toward the escalator to the restaurant. Ah!
The sacrifices one makes to be with fellow book nookers! I have to confess,
I don't remember all the New York newbies' names. But I remember Judy, who
sat next to me and also, a lady with a feather boa wrapped around her neck
giving out bookmarks. I wish I could have gotten to the restaurant
earlier so that I could have truly got to know everybody.
If you click this site, you might be able to relax for a minute or two. Try
it.
A Relaxation Moment From Online Psych
Mercedes
Subject: whew!!
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 07:28 PM EDT
From: Sandquist
Message-id: <1998042823283700.TAA05684@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Well I finally got rid of MariLu. Nice lady, but she tried to steal my
Pop Warner autographed football. I don't blame her in a way. Footballs signed
by Knute Rockne, John Irving, Frank Gifford, Pop Warner, Cathy Tobias, and
Thomas Jefferson are not easy to come by anymore, and my Nerf model would
bring a tidy sum at any auction attended by rich imbeciles. Well, eventually
MariLu signed the ball, left the ball, left a great book - Pomo Dawn of
Song, and left a really nice leather bag of some sort, which I think she
said Nancy, Sally, and Judi had acquired for me in a
bargained-downtown-purchase with the hope that I would put it where the sun
don't schine, David or otherwise. And, while I am at it and already the butt
of online jokes, I may as well admit that I have emailed a concession speech
to Miss Sally about some possible holes in my expanded Schine info. of
yesterday. OK sue me, I
don't think well in Chinese restaurants, what with the MSG and all. So I
forgot a few of the unimportant details about Schine's wife. I remembered the
vital stuff: that she was a Miss Universe and that she was Swedish. Compared
to that the fact, which I mentally misplaced, that she died with him in a
plane crash is merely a factual gloss, a trivial annotation. Miss Universe!
Swedish! How important is dead?
Far more important, as already reported we had a great NYC gathering
with an almost bare minimum of Carols -- nice feather boa -- and a bunch of
other strange people who refused to tell us who they were or why an angry mob
was picketing outside the eatery yelling something about slave labor. And,
let me add right here -- RuthAlice I told all these no-good hard-hearted
rightwingers that we should not cross these picket lines. I tried. I tried,
but they would not listen to me. I fear that the Nook may now be blacklisted
at Hop Sinhgs, but not nearly as much as I fear trying to figure out how the
heck one might spell Hop Singh. This was my first try at it, and I am sure I
will get better over time, or at least over time get over it, whichever comes
first.
And in conclusion let me just say that NYC had plenty of crazies here
before Book Nook started shipping them in carloads from all over the country.
Is this really called for? And if so, who called for it? Is this Crazy Rudy
the nutty mayor again? Anything for a laugh with Rudy. But now it is time to
put pens down, no back-tracking to see if anything made sense or is even
semi-coherent because it is now Game TIme. Knicks to unravel the bad, bad
boys from Miami. I thank thee, and bid thee adieu, but if that is not high
enough I am willing to make a final counteroffer, and then one last one
under the counter.
Patrick Ewing
Warren -----
"Earth's crammed with heaven, And every common bush afire with God; But only
he who sees takes off his shoes; The rest sit round it and pluck
blackberries." --
Elizabeth Barrett Browning
Subject: Re: The NY experience.
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 07:33 PM EDT
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998042823333500.TAA06243@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thanks, Mercedes for the relaxation moment!
I will visit often.
I saved it in favorite places and plan to e-mail it to Steve. He needs to
relax!
It was nice meeting you yesterday. Wished there was more opportunity to talk
& get to know oneanother.
Hopefully next time.
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Re: The NY experience.
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 08:04 PM EDT
From: NZilch
Message-id: <1998042900040800.UAA11212@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Neat' relaxation moment...........in my favorite
places...........YES!!!!!!!!!!
Nance in MA
You can always tell a Yankee, but you can't tell him much.
Eric Knight
Subject: A Day in New York
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 08:35 PM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042900354300.UAA13461@ladder03.news.aol.com>
OVERWHELMING!!!!!
This is the only word I can think of to describe the book nook meeting in New
York yesterday. My day began with meeting Suzanne (Skill 40) at the
Bridgewater Mall. She and I had made arrangements to drive in together.
CRAZY!!! is what my husband and son said I was. "How could you drive into
New York to meet people you don't know,
with someone in your car that you don't know. People get killed by on line
people was what they said." What do they know. I took my chances and drove
in with the most delightful person. There was never a lack for conversation
even though Suzanne actually liked the character Harrison Durrance from the
Wonder Book. I forgive you for that. Suzanne has a wonderful background
having worked for B&N and having led their book discussions. Needless to
say, I enjoyed the ride in. So far, I'm having fun.
We arrived at the Strand and parked right next door. This is working out all
right I said. We walked in and immediately met fellow booknookers. There was
Nina with her head in a pile of books. She raised it for a minute before
going back to ponder her purchases. We then met Sally and found out why she
calls herself Miss Sally. It's funny but I pictured Sally to be very short
and she's wonderfully tall. Then there was Joan just back from her
cruise. And lo and behold, I heard a voice in the background. It was
someone giving instructions and telling everyone what books were good. Guess
who? Yes it was our beloved Nancy. Exactly as I had pictured her and even
better. Downstairs she led us into the dungeons of the Strand. I, who was
wearing black, was very dusty by the time I was done. There was quite a
racket going on while we met additional nookers. I then met the feathered
one
sans boa at that time. Carol, the maniac was talking a mile a minute. She
talks faster than she types. What a delightful person. Then there was
wonderful Judi, and Marilu all the way in from the West Coast and enjoying
every bit of Manhattan. Her friend Celesta fit right in. I thought she was
one of the posters. Jan, of course, looked as good as her pictures in
Fredonia and I immediately liked Barbara, Magpie, probably because she's from
Long
Island (my origin after Brooklyn that is). But where, oh where, was our
Yankee Nana. Delayed I was told. So I searched up and down the aisles and
made a trip to the checkout counter to send my books because they were
getting too heavy to carry and back to the basement I went to finish
shopping. What is that noise I'm hearing in the other aisle? Could it be
that the Yankee has arrived? Sure enough, there she was in living color. I
felt that I
had known her my whole life. I do hope I'm not leaving anyone out at this
point. This was truly a wonderful experience meeting everyone.
On to the Silver Palace we went. Nina's face went white as we crossed a
picket line to get inside. Unfortunately, we could not all fit at one table
so I was unable to converse at length with the other table but I truly
enjoyed the company at ours. Nancy, Suzanne, Carol, Barb and Nina. Then the
boa was revealed. You are one crazy lady Carol. Mercedes arrived but I
didn't have the opportunity to speak to her and a man named Warren arrived
and
that completed our two tables.
Afterwards a few of us went down to Carvel for an ice cream while the others
walked to Kate's. While in Carvel I really had some time to chat with Marilu
who told us all about her RV with hard wood floors and all. Nina was very
enjoyable and every bit the New Yorker as she hailed cabs for us all over
town. Kate's was terrific and terribly expensive. It was getting late so
Suzanne and I said our goodbyes and trekked through Manhattan, by car of
course, in search of the Holland Tunnel. When we looked up and saw the World
Trade Center, we knew we had gone too far downtown. So back uptown we went
in search of our way under the river. This little excursion took in excess
of 1 hour during which time I picked Suzanne's brain about all the books she
likes.
WHAT CAN I SAY --- I LOVED IT. THANK YOU NANCY FOR ORGANIZING IT. YOU ARE
AN INCREDIBLY GIVING PERSON AND I THANK YOU FOR FINDING ME AND LEADING ME
INTO YOUR WONDERFUL GROUP.
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Re: Help wanted!!!
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 08:51 PM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998042900511600.UAA16691@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Barbara - thanks for the link - I plan to use it. I love the baby picture
idea but it probably is too late for that. Although there may be some
variation I can play.
and Roe - I do think a lottery is a good idea even though no one will knows
who wins until June 25th or so.
And Deb - I love the idea of a breakfast birthday party - get all that work
done while everyone's got energy! Maybe if I'd had our guests come in their
pajamas I wouldn't have to worry about entertaining them! They'd be too
amused at each other. My DD's so conservative though - she's into that "I
want to be like everyone else mode," which I remember clearly from her age
group. Took me years to realize I wasn't going to make it.
Thanks for the moment of relaxation, Merc - I needed that today.
Started Memoirs of a Geisha - what an original book. I have no idea what's
going to happen next. If I had written this book, I think I'd quit writing
now. Perfect is perfect.
NYC sounds like fun - darn.
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Baby Shower
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 09:51 PM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998042901512900.VAA22709@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Mary Anne-I don't know about games, but a terrific gift that my DD gave my
DDIL was a clothes line with little baby size clothes pins holding all sorts
of small baby things. (bibs, rattles, wee undershirts, socks, soft toys,etc.)
The whole thing is wrapped in a big box, and then when opened, two folks take
different ends and stretch it across the room. It's a delightful shower gift
that is enjoyed by all.
With that many folks, I don't think you need to worry about entertaining
them. The gifts alone will take ages to open.
My DDIL asked the children who attended to be her helpers-and they loved
their importance. Everyone enjoys watching kids, as long as they're kept
busy.
I love Roe's suggestion about a lottery. Of course, they'll have to wait
for the date, but you could promise a small gift from the new baby when it
arrives.
Have fun. Babies are the pure joy of life.
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: A win . . . finally!
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 11:00 PM EDT
From: TheSussMan
Message-id: <1998042903001000.XAA02575@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Timothy's Little League team finally won a game yesterday, 11-6. Everybody
played well and played as a team, and they did great. Timothy struck out
twice and grounded out once, but he made a good throw to second base after
backing up first base. (He failed to back up first base in the previous game,
allowing several runs to score, but I explained the importance of doing this,
and he remembered to
do it!). Timothy was very excited because he had played about 15 games
without a win (his fall team went winless). The White Sox are now 1-4-1 and
have hopefully gained some confidence that will help them through the rest of
the season. Next game is Saturday morning.
I recently finished Michael Palmer's latest medical thriller, "Miracle Cure"
and enjoyed it. It started slowly, but as the story progressed, the suspense
built, and the story improved. I was able to guess one of the twists at the
end, but I still enjoyed the book. I'll post a review in a few days. Next up
is Phillip Margolin's latest legal thriller, "The Undertaker's Widow." I've
enjoyed most of his books, but he still hasn't topped "Gone, But Not
Forgotten."
GOOD NEWS!! - My roommate is coming home. She had the cast removed from her
right ankle today. (Her left ankle isn't really broken, but a bone is chipped
and she's been wearing an air cast). The cast on her wrist comes off in 10
days. Karen is able to walk enough to get around the house and now must
practice going up and down stairs. If she can do that, she'll be back in our
apartment on Friday. I promised to take her to see "Grease" when she
was able to get around so I guess we'll have to do that this weekend.
See y'all later!
Mike
Mike Sussman's Thrillers & Audiobooks
http://members.aol.com/thesussman/home.htm
Subject: Re: NYC meeting
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 11:00 PM EDT
From: Magpiefly
Message-id: <1998042903002300.XAA02596@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Roe<---who thinks you Folks are the Greatest
You said it Roe !!!!!! I wish every BookNooker could have the opportunity
to come to a meeting. Marilu, Celesta, Judi, Nina,Jayne,Jan,Joan,
Warren,Mercedes.Nancy and Nancy, Sally ,Suzanne and Carol I am sending you
all a big cyber hug for making me feel like one of the group instantly. What
a group of warm and loving people you are..
Nancy - NRK18...you did a wonderful job and deserve a star.
OOPS...Not to worry Sally .I'm glad you remembered since you promised to send
me some tips about travel in England. Thank you.
Suzanne and Nancy..We didn't get a chance to say goodbye.. I wish you had
come for coffee with us..We had a good gab fest and learned more about each
other.
Jan-VoxMom...How did I let us you leave without taking a picture in front of
that wonderfully endowed Madonna. That would have been a good one for
Fredonia.
Judi..I'm going to miss your wonderful wedding by one day. Remember I will be
in Ogonquit on June 13th. I hope we'll be able to see some pics. I also
can't wait to see what new art work you create with all that paper you
bought.
Thanks to Gradglass and YankeeNana for the beautiful bookmarks.You are both
the life of the party.
Joan- SilverlocMom Thanks for the good advise about posting...
And I was so tired when I got home I did not have a problem falling asleep.
Also QuAppelle
suggested Tylenol PM which works most of the time. So....now I have to find a
new quote.
Just finished reading THE 10th JUSTICE by Brad Meltzer.
Barb from Lk. Ronkonkoma //(º_º)\\
"I was dreaming I was awake,but then I woke up and found meself asleep"
...said Stan Laurel to Oliver Hardy
Subject: Re: Party ideas
Date: Tue, 28 April 1998 11:15 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998042903151400.XAA03046@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I must recommend a book to those planning children's parties.
The Penny Whistle Party Planner
This book is full of reasonably priced, creative parties that you can do at
home. I am so sick of the Chuck E. Cheese, Discovery Zone brand of party.
They are ridiculously expensive and everyone is always trying to outdo
everyone else!!!
Diane in S. Florida
Bah Humbug to children's birthday parties :(
Subject: Tuesday is For Tootsies
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 12:00 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042904000900.AAA08072@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I had so much fun meeting everyone yesterday - wish I had more time with each
one. All day little incidents & comments are coming back - what a wonderful
warm group of people here - & thanks Nancy for putting it together & seeing
that everyone was acquainted & happy.
I am glad that Luigi is enjoying his fanny (pack) - a gift from ALL of his
devoted women. Nancy did an exceptional job of "hondling" for it - so
exceptional that the rest of us walked away & pretended we didn't know her
-:) -:) -:) I walked by the same store today - crossed the street &
averted my face. Chicken feathers.
MERCEDES: that was no lady wearing the boa - LOL
When I return & read all these posts - it's like coming home at night.
There's something about walking on the streets of New York that makes you
feel as if you have walked barefoot on a bed of nails. The last time I was
here, I deep-sixed a pair of Reebok's that took leave of their soles.
Today I enjoyed coffee at Starbuck's as fuel for my engine, before hitting
the streets for real. Next stop was the Jewelry
Exchange, & then a taxi down to the World Trade Center to meet my friend
Karen, who was already standing in line at 10:30 when I got there. Good
company & conversation helped pass the time & we were lucky enough to get 1/2
price tickets for THE LIFE, which was our first choice. The advantage to
getting the tickets there, in case anyone is interested, is that in this
location you can also buy tickets for matinees a day ahead of time. I
practised
restraint. We then walked from there to the Strand - a pretty lengthy
stroll. We stopped for a nice lunch a few blocks before we reached there,
which made a nice break & rested our bodies for the onslaught.
Karen was suitably blown away by the Strand - I can't believe that there was
a completely different selection of books after just one day. That place is
unbelievable & it's a very good thing I don't live here. We parted at about
3 pm, & I walked all the way back here. I would say I had my share of
exercise today - I am not too sure how many blocks or miles it is from the
World Trade Center, but I know it's over 33 blocks to the Strand. I know I
power walk at the rate of 5 miles in 55 minutes - & this was no power walk -
but I got back here before 4 pm, & stopped for a cold drink around 37th
Street. I probably didn't walk more than 5 miles, excluding my mileage at the
Strand - but on NY pavement it feels like 25.
I put my feet up & read until Karen & her daughter Ingrid met me here, & we
went out for dinner. The theater is just a 10 minute walk - ouch - but we
made it. All of us enjoyed THE LIFE tremendously - it is a very lively
musical about the life on the street- the hookers & pimps of 42nd St. in the
60s, before it was cleaned up. The exaggerated characters were hilarious -
there were a couple of overly endowed chicks who were spilling out of their
clothes like 10 lbs of sausage in a 5 lb casing. Although the songs weren't
memorable, the voices were excellent & it was wonderful to watch & hear - our
1/2 price seats were 4 rows from the front, on the aisle. Now I am spoiled,
when I think of how much I have paid for mediocre seats in the past.
I have no definite plans for tomorrow, but I think that whatever I do I will
walk on my hands, for very short distances. That may mean a quick visit to
my favourite department store, Lord & Taylor - about 10 minutes from here.
They don't sell books.
The Marco Maniac, truly reporting. 'Night everybody
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Help wanted!!!
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 12:35 AM EDT
From: JackieML7
Message-id: <1998042904355500.AAA12865@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mary Ann,
I remember attending a baby shower a long time ago which was given for one of
the church ladies. There was a large group attending. One thing we did was
everyone brought a picture of themselves as a baby. The pictures were put
into a display after everyone had arrived (by the hostesses who didn't play
the game).
The object was to guess who was who in the baby photos--the one who had the
most right at the end of the evening won a prize. It was a lot of fun--and
great for conversation. we had women attending from teenagers up to
seventies. Some you could guess because of the type of photo or the paper it
was printed on--whether it was Black and white or color or colored over B&W
(I know some of you out they will understand this).
Anyway, this was definitely the MOST fun I ever had at any kind of baby
shower!
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <----Home of the JAZZ
Live your life as an exclamation...not an explanation.
~~~Author Unknown
Subject: Re: Help wanted!!!
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 12:54 AM EDT
From: JackieML7
Message-id: <1998042904543600.AAA14404@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Well, I just learned a lesson-----read all the other posts before you hit the
SEND button. But, you know Barbara---GMTA!
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <----Home of the JAZZ
Live your life as an exclamation...not an explanation.
~~~Author Unknown
Subject: Re: Help wanted!!!
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 01:25 AM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998042905251700.BAA16732@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mary Ann,
A "game" we always have at baby showers is the name tag game... you make
nametags that look like diapers (simply take a triangle of paper and fold in
the corners and bottom) and pin with a tiny gold pin. One of the diapers
should have a surprise of Grey Poupon inside... at the end of the shower have
everyone open their diapers and give a doorprize to the person with the
Poupony diaper.
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: Help wanted!!!
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 01:52 AM EDT
From: Lrob965
Message-id: <1998042905522100.BAA18422@ladder01.news.aol.com>
MaryAnn - I see you already have lots of great ideas for the shower but here
are a few from me. One of the best ice breakers we've played is to tape the
names of a famous person on each guest's back. I think we did "famous
children" at a baby shower. Then its like a backwards 20 Questions. Each
person asks other partygoers questions about what's on their
back...obviously they have to guess who it is.
Another, though you may not have enough time, is to have each guest write a
poem/limerick to the couple or the child. Then they read them to the group.
It's pretty funny.
Mercedes - Thanks for the relaxation moment. It came at the right moment...I
NEEDED THAT!!!
I finally finished Lady Chatterly's Lover, which I kept putting aside in
favor of my stack of New Yorkers....it was good but not compelling. (Even
with those incredibly hot scenes!) I was reading the first pages of Yellow
Raft on Blue Water today (which the book group I've joing is reading in May)
when I got a call from the library. Yes...Memoirs of a Geisha was in and,
though I've only read 25 pages, I'm hooked. So....off to
bed to read it. Hope I can stay awake....I've only made it through 10 pages
of anything the last few days.
Lita in So.Cal. -
Reading Memories of a Geisha!
Subject: Re: whew!!
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 07:47 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042911472100.HAA27598@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Yes, I know that Nina and a few others were quite upset bny the picket lines
and believe it or not I only realized what was happening once we were on the
escalator. As a former member of the teacher's unoin and with roots which
have always supported unions, it also grieved me. If we were a smaller group
and not expecting others to arrive, I might have ventured elsewhere. I do
apologize to you and any others who were bothered by crossing
the picket line. Next time I will choose a less controversial place although
in Manhattan thats sometimes difficult.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: A Day in New York
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 07:54 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998042911542900.HAA27989@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Nancy - so enjoyed reading yours and others reports of the day. Its like
reliving the experience. I can just imagine your husband and son's
consternation over your plans. Imagine when I told my husband that I was
being picked up in Washington D.C. by a person I never met and going to
Alexandrai Virginia to hear an author we both met online. Well, that was my
first face to face meeting and after almost 10 of them, I say nanny nanny poo
poo to my husband and suggest he meet some online friends too.
And the reason I led you here is cause I knew you would be a great asset!!!
So glad you're here and that whoever was with us on Monday were able to join
with us too.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: AOL
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 09:48 AM EDT
From: HRDCOVERS
Message-id: <1998042913484800.JAA06234@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I have been having a major problem both yesterday and today getting online.
Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing these difficulties or if it is
a regional thing.
Nancy in PA
Just finished and absolutely loved Angela's Ashes; currently reading
Final Jeopardy by Linda Fairstein.
Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes...
Subject: Nancy -- whew!!
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 12:00 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998042916004900.MAA14431@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Yo Nancy ---
Re. Picket line --- I am going to start holding you responsible for
surprise picket lines popping up upside restaurants that you pick about the
same time that I start blaming you for volcanic eruptions in the Philippines
and brush fires in Indonesia -- both of which I think you are causing but I
do not yet have the proof in hand. In the interim, the restaurant was fine;
once there and waiting for a gathering group you had no choice, and --
most important NANCY -- you did your usual terrific job for which we are all
appreciative and say ----
Thank you, Nancy ---
now about those cataclysms you are causing in the Pacific -- cut it out!
Fred
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: whew footnote
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 12:07 PM EDT
From: LuigiAlva
Message-id: <1998042916074700.MAA16214@ladder01.news.aol.com>
By the way, just in the event that any silly soul takes me seriously in
my earlier comment about "finally getting rid of MariLu" --- now the truth.
MariLu graciously accepted my invitation to have lunch while she was
touristing in town. She showed up at my office at 12.30, and I wouldn't let
her leave. She finally got rid of me, and fought her way out of the building
and our non-stop conversation at around 5.00pm. Not my fault, she is a very
interesting, articulate and entertaining lady. I either kept talking to her
or had to go talk to some accountant or lawyer about taxes. What would you
have done?
Boris Bitker
Warren --
"People do not quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they
quit playing." Oliver Wendell Holmes
Subject: Shauna
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 12:55 PM EDT
From: Ripplins
Message-id: <1998042916551200.MAA19694@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Shauna,
CONGRATULATIONS!
on the birth of Hannah Scout! Enjoy!
As it happens...I was reading To Kill A Mockingbird the day Hannah was born!
Currently reading Talk Before Sleep by Elizabeth Berg
Bye for now,
Beth on Long Island
Subject: Re: whew!!
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 02:17 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998042918171600.OAA25679@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy -
There is no need to apologize. Picket lines and signs are just a part of New
York life. I truly enjoyed myself at lunch. Once I sat down and had a
spoonful of won ton soup, I was totally over being traumatized of being
shouted at in Chinese.
Subject: Slow Me Down Lord
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 02:23 PM EDT
From: MercG
Message-id: <1998042918230100.OAA26107@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I got the following prose from an Ann Landers letter. I thought it was very
moving and inspirational.
Mercedes
Slow Me Down Lord
Slow me down, Lord!
Ease the pounding of my heart
By the quieting of my mind.
Steady my harried pace
With a vision of the eternal reach of time.
Give me,
Amidst the confusions of my day,
The calmness of the everlasting hills.
Break the tensions of my nerves
With the soothing music of the sighing streams
That live in my memory.
Help me to know
The magical restoring power of sleep.
Teach me the art
Of taking minute vacations of slowing down to look at a flower.
To chat with an old friend or to make a new one;
To pat a stray dog;
To watch a spider build a web;
To smile at a child;
Or to read a few lines from a good book,
Remind me each day
That the race is not always to the swift;
That there is more to life than increasing its speed.
Let me look upward
Into the branches of the towering oak
And know that it grew slowly and well.
Slow me down, Lord,
And inspire me to send my roots deep
Into the soil of life's enduring values
That I may grow toward the stars
Of my greater destiny.
Subject: AFTERNOON BREAK
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 04:04 PM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998042920045600.QAA05513@ladder01.news.aol.com>
That's what I did today - just to rest & finish THE POWER OF ONE by Bryce
Courtenay - definitely a Top Ten book. This man can tell a good, long story
very well.
LUIGI - BORIS - FRED - et al: I have it on good authority that MariLu is
anxious to get back to the safety of her computer so that she can impart the
whole truth & nothing but, about her visit with you. My lips are sealed as
promised - but her version in no way resembled what you wrote the first time
LOL - & I am SO relieved to see that you changed it 'slightly' - guess we
will have to wait to see what she says. Rashomon, oh Rashomon. Kind of
like a kid's version of "Pass the Word", isn't it? Do we get to vote on the
version 'most likely' after?
Now to decide - which book to read next! I hardly know where to begin.
The Marco Maniac, fondly fondling some new acquisitions & dreaming about
those on their way to Florida via UPS
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: This and That
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 04:36 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042920363500.QAA07527@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hi - I have survived the NYC meeting!!!. First want to Post and comment on
other things.
EOR/Roe _ One of my favorites in the whole world -eecummings ---The Dog Story
had me ROTFLMAO. Glad you bought the books with the Gift Certificate.
Welcome Maureen and Judy. Keep Posting we really are a fun group.
Diane/DiNeer526 -The great news of your sister. Yes, prayers are powerful!!!
Bless you and her!
MaryAnn/Buny32132 - I howled over the "Tongue Lee" story. LOL. We run into
that problem quite often.
Carol in Mass/Tenisgirl 1- welcome from a another fellow New Englander. Do
you say 'Haaarrvaard Squaraaaa" Just checking my accent does not show very
much. Let me know how you liked Loving Chloe and Hank and Chloe, thanks.
BKarvelas/Barbara - thank you for sharing Celh/Cheryl's What I've Learned in
Life. Great! I sure do miss her not being around.
VKRN/Venda - Hi to you too. I miss you lady.
DGA/Diane - Glad to see you posting. I missed you muchly at the NYC
gathering. We shall do the next one together a must!!! Told Joan and Sally
to give you a hug for me.
Went out for lunch with my roomate today: Tough to have fresh seafood.
Lobster bisque, steam clams, and a Wednesday special of Fish and Chips @
$1.99 a plate.
My weekly jaunt to the library (liberry) Brought home Jane Smiley's newest
"The All-True Travels and Adventures of Lidie Newton. Another brand new one
"No Good Deed" by Lynn S. Hightower.
After spending a little while at the book store and scribbling authors and
titles I moved right to the library and put the following on reserve:
N is for Noose - Grafton
The Long Road Home by Danielle Steel
Cavedweller - Dorothy Allison
Amazing Grace -Kathleen Norris
Message In A Bottle-Nicholas Sparks
No Time to Die (NF) - Liz Tilberis
Greentown - Timothy Dumas (Story of a murder 25 years ago in Greenwich CT
Me and My Shadow- Autobiography by Lorna Luft
last but not least --The Grilling Season by Diane Mott Davidson.
I guarantee with my luck they will all come in at once. Ha.!!!
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
Few things are more satisfying
than seeing your children have
teenagers of their own.
Subject: Books and such
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 05:11 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042921115600.RAA11335@ladder03.news.aol.com>
What a surprise! Today the UPS arrived with my BOOKS FROM THE STRAND!
Already... wow. And now I need to find some more hours for reading...
American Pastoral -- I had forgotten until I saw it again, but the cover
photo on the dust jacket is of the post office in Brookside, NJ, about 2
miles from where I live now, and where I used to pick up my mail EVERY day
when I lived in that town for 10 years. (whew, is that a run-on sentence or
what?!)
Sally, currently reading ALL THE PRETTY HORSES by Cormac McCarthy & THE ANGEL
SHARE by Robt. Irvine. Hey, you Utah folks should love this Moroni Traveler
series, n'est pas?
Miss Sally in NJ
A book is like a garden carried in the pocket. (Chinese Proverb)
Subject: Links
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 05:15 PM EDT
From: KIHEIKAROL
Message-id: <1998042921153200.RAA13084@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Could someone please tell me how to create links to other web sites? I think
someone posted it at one time but I sure don't remember how to do it. Will
write it down next time.
Thanks.
Carol in Oceanside, CA
Subject: Re: Slow Me Down Lord
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 05:16 PM EDT
From: Aymster54
Message-id: <1998042921164900.RAA13210@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Merc,
I just LOVE that poem. Thanks for sharing it with us. I have a copy somewhere
that I come across every once in a while, usually when I NEED to read it!
It's lovely.
Sally
Subject: NYC
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 05:49 PM EDT
From: YankeeNana
Message-id: <1998042921495200.RAA16910@ladder01.news.aol.com>
After everyone wrote such marvelous reports of the Day just maybe I can do a
interpretation of my day. It was different!!! Let me begin: "Threw rain,
sleet, and snow" wrong story.
I did not have an uneventful ride into the Big Apple. Maybe others did but
mine was rather hectic, ridiculous and Amtrack screwed me up again!!. So I
chose "Leave the Driving to Us" via Greyhound. By the time I arrived, just
knew the Strand had been moved to at least New Jersey. Thought I would never
get there.
You all know by now I arrived just 15 mins before everyone was leaving for
lunch. Met Joan and Sally in the cellar and then a lovely blond came around
the corner of the stacks none other than our very own Marilu. Have no idea
how she recognized my accent???. She is a blond people. Then upstairs I ran
into Jan, who is my old buddy, so relieved she did make it. Judi just stood
in front of me and begged me to guess
who. No problem she is just as much fun in real life as on a Post. (Don't
tell anyone think she wears a size 3, I did too, once in Kindergarten) Then
down the line: Barbara from Long Island, Nina, a wonderful moth already had
bought the store out but did save us a few choices. Celeste who came as a
visitor but will just have to join us regularly. Nancy from PA who I shall
see when I visit my daughter, she lives in the
next town. Suzanne, my dear friend, we share a very special bond, a few
tears in the eyes when we met for the first time. Nancy, our own
professional organizer, a great job. and our Carol, the marco maniac came
around another side of the store to greet me. My list of books became two
(DH was thrilled we can eat another meal instead of owning a new book!)
Back into a cab to Chinatown. Across the picket line at the restaurant and
swearing in Chinese I do not understand so tried not to look obvious that I
was not a native New Yorker. I am soooo tiny they hardly saw me. (Believe
that you will believe anything)
We had two tables of book nookers. Shortly after arriving Warren, himself
arrived. Did he feel awkward with 14 women. No! He was his usual charming
self. Mercedes/MercG finally was able to join us,too. Great seeing her
again. Lunch was a continuous array of every kind of food you could imagine.
If it looked okay I ate it, if it didn't I just smiled and past it on to the
next person. Warren inspected my plate and explained all the
stuff I had but had no idea what it was or would become!!!! Oh, well, you
know Luigi.
After stuffing ourselves. Carol/GradGlass gave us very pretty booksmarks,
thank you. I passed out a few bookmarks from my stamping friend who
customizes them for me.
Everyone decided they would walk to some Papier Store. I believe it was
about 6 blocks. Not sure I gave up Girl Scout hiking a long time ago. Soooo
to keep me company: Marilu, Nancy from Pennsylvania and I shared a cab.
Prior to this we stopped in Carvel's and enjoyed a ice cream cone with Nina.
A nice time to chat with each other. Nina had to go pick up her children so
she hailed us a cab and we joined the others. This store had dollar
signs on the floor I swear. I picked up one card, gorgious, and only $14.95.
Well, felt I would sit and rest and watch people rather than shop.
Later we went across the street, one block down and had great Coffee in a
lovely place Nancy had picked out. By this time I was rather tired. (Have
no idea why) I only rode all over the United States before noon.! LOL. It
became that time all too quickly that we would all head in several directions
to our homes. Fond memories of the day we all can share for a long time.
The laughter, meeting face to face, sharing our love of books and just a
grand time.
Sally, Joan and I took a cab to Penn Station. Their train left a good hour
before mine. I watched people, as shy as I am I sat beside a lovely couple
from Australia touring the US. Now they had an accent!!! Two months in the
states. My train assignment was only three flights of stairs down to the
train. Piece of cake!!! I did think if I rolled down would have been easier
than trying to walk!!! Safely on my train and set with a very
nice lady.
For some reason I got very brave from my terrible shyness and struck up a
conversation. She is a full Professor at Smith College in Northampton. Big
reader. By the time I arrived at my station we had exchanged e-mail
addresses. She would like me to come some day to Smith for lunch and will
give me the tour. I gave her my extra book nook lists. She was delighted.
DH was waiting for me on my arrival. Having not had dinner I was hungary but
too tired to stop somewhere. I arrived home at 9:45 and at 10:00 we had good
old "Hungry Jack Pancakes" in the microwave with warm Maple Syrup. Yummy.
Thank you all for such a wonderful day. Helping me get from one place to the
other and up stairs and down. Your all very special people. Thought of you
all out in Book Nook Land, too. It was one more experience I can chalk up in
my large volume of memories.
Shalom,
Jayne
Jayne in Connecticut
Few things are more satisfying
than seeing your children have
teenagers of their own.
Subject: Re: Baby Shower
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 06:20 PM EDT
From: Dixie80
Message-id: <1998042922204900.SAA19117@ladder03.news.aol.com>
well with 60 people in might be hard to do, but at a shower I went to they
had a diaper race. Which means people put diapers on dolls and see who can do
it the fastest..and I don't mean disposables but cloth. <g>
My favorite gift to give at a baby shower is a basket with baby stuff on one
side and mom stuff on the other. Baby stuff includes cornstarch powder,
lotion, baby bath, a couple of baby washclothes, a onesie or two, and baby
shampoo. Mom stuff includes bubble bath, bath beads, scented soap and if a
close personal friend then a book or a silky nighty <g>. Moms can't ever
have to much of any of that.
I know it's a little early but I know I won't have any books to add to my
list so here is my list for April:
Ellen Foster by Kaye Gibbons--I liked it, a fast read but not a favorite.
To Dance with a White Dog by Terry Kay--What a book. I laughed and cried,
enough said
Imperfect Strangers by Stuart Woods-- a book from Carole #1's bag..I love
Stuart Wood books..fast reads and oh so interesting and fast paced.
Propeller One-Way Night Coach by John Travolta--a gift from Carole #1, I love
John Travolta and have for 20 years. A nice book.
The Persian Pickle Club by Sandra Dallas--I loved this book!! So many things
going on. A lot of stories in one.
Go Ask Alice by Anonymous--a reread, I read when I was 12 or 13 for the first
time and I reread it before I give it to my daughter to read.
Had some new books I ordered come into the library today but even though I
had my name on the reserve for most of them (a perk) I let them all go out
<g> I had 3 Stuart Woods books and Paul Reiser's Babyhood come in that I
ordered through the Interlibrary loan. So I will be busy this month!!
Carole #2 in the Adirondacks
"If you can imagine it,
You can achieve it.
If you can dream it,
You can become it."
-William Arthur Ward
Subject: Re: AOL
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 07:43 PM EDT
From: Aqua Girlx
Message-id: <1998042923430100.TAA00740@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I haven't had problems getting on AOL, but I've been getting constantly
bumped off. I think that maybe AOL is having a problem trying to keep
everyone connected around the world. They probably have too many users
again. I guess that it is sort of like last year when AOL had signed up all
these new people knowing that they couldn't handle them all. Then like for
some time nobody could get on AOL because it had crashed. They had bitten
off more than they could chew. They may have done it again.
Aqua Girlx
Teenagers are not weird, just different
Subject: Re: NYC
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 08:01 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998043000013800.UAA03117@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Well Jayne,
Since I started off by thanking everyone individually for their NYC reports,
never dreaming that they would eventually be so many and so varied, just as
witnesses observing a ten or more car collision have a variety of absolutely
true and disparate viewpoints, it would seem logical that we would continue
to thank you, you, you, you, and of course, you too. This *here* posting is
a Blanket Thank You to All Ya'll for enhancing our mental imagery and
providing us with vicarious enjoyment for days to come. OK? Jayne, I must
say, you give the lowdown as well as anyone. I love the dirt. I mean, all
right, we already know about the beautiful brains and souls, the staggering
intellect, and the history. I was so happy to notice you gave the dress
sizes, "Does she or doesn't She Clairol report", and Lunch table hierarchy.
No need to check out the tabloids in the Supermarket line
today. ( Jayne, what a delightful post!)
And Warren, how you managed to kidnap one of my favorite Booknookers and what
you subjected MariLu to for five hours is beyond my capacity to fathom.
Green, green, green, she said Kermitly.
Once again, Thanks all. And a little birdie told me that there have been
other sightings of Booknookers meeting in other locations without full report
and accountability. Is that somewhat like sin of omission? You betcha!
Tell all, folks, or you'll find out that Lawrence Sanders and James Patterson
look better than the Eor on the Warpath. The Seventeenth Deadly Sin defies
description when considering the revenge it exacts!.
You folks are wonderful.
Roe
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: AOL
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 08:09 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998043000090700.UAA02670@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Ashley,
You certainly have AOL by the tail. I too, agree that the discomfort ( and
thus the comfort) of customers is far more important than their (AOL's)
technological glitches. Spend time on a post and watch the words dissolve
before your very eyes. Bumped, dispossessed, or thwarted, it is all the
same. Blamed inconvenient!
Mrs. Wiles
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Simon on the Subway
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 08:31 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998043000314400.UAA05462@ladder03.news.aol.com>
For Christmas, 1977, we went to Manhattan for a week. Spent the week doing
wonderful things. 5th Avenue at Christmas time is incredible. We turned Matt
and Simon loose in FAO Schwarz and told them they could each spend $100. It
was a great week. Simon was 4 and Matt was 9. At one point, we were in a
subway, and I noticed that Simon kept looking around as if he expected
someone or something and he wasn't pleased about it. When we pulled to a
stop, I leaned down and he asked me, "Is it any King Kongs around here???"
That is when I learned that he had seen his first scary movie that summer.
This was the week we also took them to their first Broadway play. Frank
Langella's Dracula. There were lots of reasons. The sets had been done by
Edward Gorey, whose work I collect, and Matt and Chris really wanted to see
it. Simon was sitting on our friend Perry's lap and it was the final scene of
the play. They were driving the stake through Dracula's heart and it was VERY
convincing. The house was absolutely silent, when, in his loudest, most
piercing, Owenish voice, Simon shrieked, "WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO HIM
NOW?????" The audience roared with laughter, totally destroying the mood. I
have always told him that he may never meet Frank Langella, but Frank
Langella will never forget him.
By the time he was 6, he was much more sophisticated about theatre, but when
he saw Evita, he was totally shocked at the number in which she dismisses a
string of lovers, each more important than the last. She flipped off the
first one and I could her a string of distressed whispers at my elbow. "DID
YOU SEE WHAT SHE DID?? IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY?" But our favorite Evita moment
was when he leaned back in his father's lap, and asked, "Daddy, what's an
Argentina?"
Cheef
Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.
Mary Chapin Carpenter
Subject: new members/bookstock/congrats/catch up
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 08:51 PM EDT
From: RJER16
Message-id: <1998043000512700.UAA09402@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Trying to catch up--decided to read 50, then 75 and finally stopped today at
90
letters. Will almost be caught up!
Judy(Jude16333)- Welcome to Book Nook People. We grow on you. It becomes
addictive.
Cheef--Was it you that had the experience when you were young with your shirt
being torn off during a game of tag? Book Nook friends have become like
old friends, so much so that when something happens I find myself wanting to
tell my friends about it and often relate things that happen to something
that I
heard on the Nook. We were at my grandson's 12th birthday party Saturday
night
and besides the 12 sixth grader friends who were spending the night tenting
in the
backyard, there was quite a bunch of cousins and friends in the neighborhood.
My
petite 8 year old granddaughter was in the yard playing and the kids were all
fooling around and her cousin(birthday boy) somehow tackeled her and her
pants
came down(not underwear, luckily). She immediately cried and that brought the
attention to her and she ran away crying. I think the kids immediately forgot
about the incident, but she was in my arms crying her heart out and told me
that
she would probably remember this the rest of her life(maybe) and she would
probably be crying for the whole rest of her life,too(unlikely). I thought of
Cheef's
incident right away. She finally felt better and when one of the adults asked
her
why she was crying, she just said she had been embarrassed and they did not
press her for details. I think she will be ok. By the way, we had
torrential rains
that night and 11 boys ran into the house by midnight except for birthday boy
who could not wake up the 12th boy so he slept in that tent with him. Bet he
was
wishing for a June or July birthday.
Gina in Houston-Congratulations on DS's engagement. How nice that you have
welcomed the intended DIL so warmly. Sounds like she is getting a good deal
in the MIL family. What kind of puppies are Sugars?
Maureen-Hi to you,too, and welcome.
Suzanne(Gazebo) How far from Ohio is it to the August Bookstock?
Carole-Congratulations to you, too on your son's engagement. Glad you like
your
future DDIL. I am blessed with 2 wonderful DIL's also. The next best thing to
having
a daughter.
Diane-Glad to hear that you did not mention any new symptoms that your sister
is
having so that is good news also.
Nancy--Thanks for sharing the Arlene story. We take so much for granted and
how
isolating it must be to lose your hearing or sight. It is nice to hear a
happy ending. No
pun intended.
Reading--The Return Journey by Maeve Binchy and listening to Ghost by
Danielle
Steel (not simultaneously)
There's no such thing as a bad
day. They're all good. Some are a little better than others but they're
all good. Armin V, Eilts
Ruth
Subject: Something for the heart
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 09:41 PM EDT
From: JackieML7
Message-id: <1998043001410200.VAA15781@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I got this in my e-mail and want to share it with all you wonderful people.
You all mean so much to me!
A True Story To Live By
by Ann Wells (Los Angeles Times)
My brother-in-law opened the bottom drawer of my sister's bureau and
lifted out a tissue-wrapped package. "This," he said, "is not a slip. This
is lingerie." He discarded the tissue and handed me the slip. It was
exquisite; silk, handmade and trimmed with a cobweb of lace. The price tag
with an astronomical figure on it was still attached.
"Jan bought this the first time we went to New York, at least 8 or 9
years ago. She never wore it. She was saving it for a special occasion.
Well, I guess this is the occasion." He took the slip from me and put it
on the bed with the other clothes we were taking to the mortician. His
hands lingered on the soft material for a moment, then he slammed the
drawer shut and turned to me. "Don't ever save anything for a special
occasion. Every day you're alive is a special occasion."
I remembered those words through the funeral and the days that followed
when I helped him and my niece attend to all the sad chores that follow an
unexpected death. I thought about them on the plane returning to
California from the Midwestern town where my sister's family lives. I
thought about all the things that she hadn't seen or heard or done. I
thought about the things that she had done without realizing that they
were special.
I'm still thinking about his words, and they've changed my life. I'm
reading more and dusting less. I'm sitting on the deck and admiring the
view without fussing about the weeds in the garden. I'm spending more time
with my family and friends and less time in committee meetings. Whenever
possible, life should be a pattern of experience to savor, not endure.
I'm trying to recognize these moments now and cherish them.
I'm not "saving" anything; we use our good china and crystal for every
special event-such as losing a pound, getting the sink unstopped, the
first camellia blossom. I wear my good blazer to the market if I feel like
it. My theory is if I look prosperous, I can shell out $28.49 for one
small bag of groceries without wincing. I'm not saving my good perfume for
special parties; clerks in hardware stores and tellers in banks have noses
that function as well as my party-going friends'.
"Someday" and "one of these days" are losing their grip on my vocabulary.
If it's worth seeing or hearing or doing, I want to see and hear and do
it now. I'm not sure what my sister would have done had she known that she
wouldn't be here for the tomorrow we all take for granted. I think she
would have called family members and a few close friends. She might have
called a few former friends to apologize and mend fences for past
squabbles. I like to think she would have gone out for a Chinese dinner,
her favorite food. I'm guessing-I'll never know.
It's those little things left undone that would make me angry if I knew
that my hours were limited. Angry because I put off seeing good Friends
whom I was going to get in touch with-someday. Angry because I hadn't
written certain letters that I intended to write-one of these days. Angry
and sorry that I didn't tell my husband and daughter often enough how much
I truly love them. I'm trying very hard not to put off, hold back, or save
anything that would add laughter and luster to our lives.
And every morning when I open my eyes, I tell myself that it is special.
Every day, every minute, every breath truly is...a gift from God.
If you've received this it is because someone cares for you and it means
there is probably at least someone for whom you care. If you're too busy
to take the few minutes that it would take right now to forward this to
ten people, would it be the first time you didn't do that little thing
that would make a difference in your relationships? I can tell you it
certainly won't be the last. I don't have to make up silly stories about
people being hit by buses or crushed by falling disco balls for not
sending this letter on. You've seen the result of this neglect in your own
relationships that you have allowed to fade, dissolve, and fall into
disrepair. Take this opportunity to set a new trend.
Take a few minutes to send this to a few people you care about, just to
let them know that you're thinking of them. It's even better if they're
not the people you already correspond with every week. The more people
that you send this to, the better you'll get and reaching out to those you
care about.
Here's the deal: Forward this letter to at least 10 different people;
within 1 hour of receiving it. Do it, and reap what you sow: luck in love,
people who care for you, and that warm glowy feeling that comes from
loving others. Don't do it, and suffer the consequences of being alone,
wrapped up in your own affairs, and being too busy to do the things you
actually care about.
May love litter your life with blessings!
"You've got to dance like nobody's watching, and love like it's never =
going to hurt."
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <----Home of the JAZZ
Live your life as an exclamation...not an explanation.
~~~Author Unknown
Subject: Re:anthropologist on mars
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 11:11 PM EDT
From: Hernandies
Message-id: <1998043003111000.XAA26791@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Judi, I thought this book was fascinating, too. I liked one of his previous
books, The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat even more. I have Island of
the Colorblind on my gargantuan TBR. I have sort of been in awe of him for a
while and I can't believe you actually had a correspondence with him. Now,
catch me up, what caused your loss of taste and smell? I assume since you
went on the chocolate hunt with us that it has
returned!
Stephanie
"I don't want to get to the end of my life and find that I lived just the
length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as well." Diane Ackerman
Reading Stalking the Angel by Robert Crais
Subject: Re: new members/bookstock/congrats/catch up
Date: Wed, 29 April 1998 11:20 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998043003204100.XAA29467@ladder01.news.aol.com>
It was me who lost my shirt in the backyard. Your granddaughter will someday
be an old lady of 55, telling how she got "pantsed" one night in the backyard
and wanted to die. It is amazing how the tragedy of youth can become the
humor of old age. But it sure hurts when it happens.
Cheef
Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.
Mary Chapin Carpenter
Subject: Thinking out loud
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 12:00 AM EDT
From: VoxMom
Message-id: <1998043004000200.AAA04070@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Mike -Congratulate Timothy on his team win. That must be a grand and glorious
feeling for him. Also, be careful taking Karen to see Grease. She'll be
tempted to get up and dance in the aisles, air boot and all.
Barb-Never fear. I did get a picture of a few of the Nookers in front of that
well-endowed outrageous statue. If I ever get the photos developed, I will
send them to you to scan to RuthAlice for Fredonia.
Lita-Lucky you having Memoirs of a Geisha as well as Yellow Raft to look
forward to . YROBW is a favorite and if you get a chance, do get Dorris'
Cloud Chamber as well which, as I mentioned in a recent review, is both a
prequel and a sequel of YR.
Merc-Amen-How did you know I needed a bit of serenity and a gentle reminder
of what is important in life? Thanks.
Marilu-I want the full scoop from you. How many of Warren's alter egos did
you actually meet in that five hours. There must have been a cast of
hundreds in all that time.
Ciao nao,
Jan
Let us read and let us dance - two amusements that will never do any harm to
the world. -Voltaire
Subject: Thanks
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 01:33 AM EDT
From: Buny32132
Message-id: <1998043005334500.BAA11046@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thanks for all the input - I think I've got it in order now. Definitely the
diaper pin game because it's easy even in a large group, maybe the celebrity
picture one because it would be fun and a conversation starter for everyone,
then I think we'll just get a few prizes and stick numbers on everyone and
draw one out of the hat every 45 minutes or so and give away a prize - that
should do it for entertainment besides food, drink, conversation and opening
the gifts. I'M ALMOST ORGANIZED!!! Now let's just hope it doesn't rain.
Bed time - tomorrow's a busy day -thanks so much again.
Mary Ann
Sacred cows make the best hamburgers - Mark Twain
Subject: Re: This and That
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 07:48 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998043011481500.HAA22228@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jayne- glad to see you finally surfaced - I was wondering if you were having
such a good time in Penn Station that you forgot your train. Looked for you
by the seats near the information booth and even checked out the bathroom but
where oh where were you hiding.
So glad you joined us and as I mentioned you are one terrif lady to shave
traveled so far. And I bet the big bad city wasn't all that bad, HUH?
POSSILBle SPOILER
Looking over your list I spotted one book that you don't have to bother
reading - Message in a Bottle by Nicholas Sparks. Well, maybe I shouldn't be
saying this out loud and I know that many enjoyed - actually loved The
Notebook - but for this dyed in the wool romance reader Notebook to me, I
thought it was ho hum. In Message its worse than ho hum, its boring, trivial
and there are too few reasons for the story of love.
BTW - I have Danielle Steel's new book in my library bag. But after a real
fluff month of reading, I'm hoping that May is a little more meaty. But only
after I read Steel. I sometimes say I read her for sentimental reasons but
I'm not ashamed to say that at times I find her books relaxing.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: This and That
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 07:50 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998043011501600.HAA22305@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Jayne- the book Greentown, I think is the true account of the murder in Conn.
which Dominick Dunne fictionalized in his novel A Serason in Purgatory. It
is also the cas Mark Fuhrman was hired to solve by the murdered woman's
mother.
The alleged killer is Ethel Kennedy's nephew and supposedly there was a big
cover- up.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Re: Books and such
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 07:53 AM EDT
From: NRK18
Message-id: <1998043011532300.HAA23719@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sally - guess what - my books arrived yesterday also. And of course DH was
standing at the door when I arrived home. Unfortunately this was the second
carton in two days so he's really been scratching his head over how many
books I can buy.
And SHHHH, don't tell him I found a woman in Australia who's sending me five
more books by the author Di Morrissey. Morrissey has only one published book
in the US and this woman was able to find them all.
I know that Nina told us we were better off with The Strand counting volumes
instead of weight but I paid triple what I did last time and only bought
paperbacks this go around.
*****Nancy in NJ*****
So Many Books, So Little Time
Subject: Last Tango in Manhattan
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 08:03 AM EDT
From: GRADGLASS
Message-id: <1998043012034101.IAA24125@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Before I am taken hostage to NJ, I thought I better write this post. If
there is anything worse than a Marco Maniac, I leave you to fill in the
blanks!
I am madly trying to pack & organize myself for the trip overland today - I
hope I have the right clothes & wonder if I should pack some food, just in
case. Actually, I am pleased to report that since I arrived here my jeans
have put on a lot of mileage, being pulled up a lot. This reminds me - a
Marco pal just sent me this joke - hope no one is offended:
An old Jewish man was once on the subway and he sat down next to a younger
man. He noticed that the young man had a strange kind of shirt collar.
Having never seen a priest before, he asked the man, "Excuse me sir, but why
do you have your shirt collar on backwards?" The priest became a bit
flustered but politely answered, "I wear this collar because I am a Father."
The Jewish man thought a second and
responded, "Sir I am also a Father but I wear my collar front-ways. Why do
you wear your collar so differently?" The Priest thought for a minute and
said "Sir, I am the Father for many." The Jewish man quickly answered, "I am
the Father of many, too. I have four sons, four daughters and more
grandchildren than I can count. Still, I wear my collar just like everybody
else. Why do you wear it your way? The priest who was beginning to get
exasperated thought and then blurted out, "Sir, I am the Father to hundreds
of people." The Jewish man was taken aback and was silent for a long time.
As he got up to leave the subway train, he leaned over to the priest and
said, "Mitrip to NY - I have been using you book mark - thank you - it works
great!
Must run & see if I can find another pair of feet - I am sure mine are
broken.
Regards to all - HOPE you hear from me again - I am usually locked in a
closet in NJ & refused food & water until I hand over my book list. The last
time I barely escaped - send bagels, please!
Carol in Marco Island, "You will find poetry nowhere, unless you bring some
of it with you."
JOUBERT
Subject: Re: Bookstock 98'
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 08:17 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998043012173001.IAA23475@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Morning, Ruth!
Marquette is pretty far north, on the southern shores of Lake Superior, quite
a way from Ohio, but I'm not sure how far. We're about 480 miles from
Detroit if that helps at all. But don't let the distance overwhelm you, just
come!
Where in Ohio are you? If time is an issue it would make sense to fly if
your budget can handle it.
Sue, hoping!
Sue in Mi
Subject: Re: Bookstock 98'
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 08:33 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998043012332600.IAA25505@ladder01.news.aol.com>
My computer is memory impaired due to it's age so as a rule I'm unable to get
on the web, but with my visiting family and my ds's laptop I was able to find
a few sites on the web for those of you coming or thinking about coming to
Bookstock in August. The 6th thru the 9th for those that are also memory
impaired.
The hotel in which I have reserved rooms can be found at:
www.thelandmarkinn.com/
others which have a few pictures of our area are;
www.Michigan.org/mi/greatnorad
www.marquettecountry.org/
Sue in Mi
Subject: Life's Lessons
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 09:03 AM EDT
From: JackieML7
Message-id: <1998043013035200.JAA27171@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Life's Lessons
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Money doesn't bring you happiness,
but it enables you to look for it in more places.
Your conscience may not keep you from doing wrong,
but it sure keeps you from enjoying it.
Middle age is when broadness of the mind
and narrowness of the waist change places.
Misers aren't much fun to live with,
but they make great ancestors.
Be careful what rut you choose.
You may be in it the rest of your life.
The trouble with bucket seats is that
not everybody has the same size bucket.
When you see the handwriting on the wall,
you can bet you're in a public restroom.
Opportunities always look bigger going than coming.
The real reason you can't take it with you
is that it goes before you do.
A person who can smile when things go wrong
has found someone to blame it on.
A modern pioneer is a person who can get through a rainy
Saturday when the television's on the blink.
The world is full of willing people:
some willing to work and some willing to let them.
Money isn't everything....
there's credit cards, money orders, and travelers checks.
Some people are like blisters.
They don't show up until the work is done.
A true friend is one that lets his grass grow
as tall as his neighbor's.
A baby-sitter is a teenager acting like an adult
while the adults are out acting like teenagers.
If you don't know where you're going, you're never lost.
Experience is a wonderful thing.
It enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Currently reading Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
Jackie 8-) in Utah <----Home of the JAZZ
Live your life as an exclamation...not an explanation.
~~~Author Unknown
Subject: Re: Something for the heart
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 09:35 AM EDT
From: Skill 40
Message-id: <1998043013355800.JAA29191@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thank you, Jackie.
No one knows better than I do how true that story is.
A tragedy such as the sudden and tragic loss of a loved one really does
change your life. It puts everything in a different light, and one of the
good things that does come out of it is that you do find yourself improving
your life. Honestly, it can make you a better person. You stop taking things
(and people) for granted, and you(at least I did) find yourself striving to
be a better person in honor of the memory of the one you lost. Going
through such a devastating experience is one of the many variables in your
life that create the person you eventually become. None of us are who we will
end up being, we are never complete because every event that happens in our
lives shapes us in a different way. We won't be done til God sets the glaze
and takes us out of the kiln!
Thank you, Jackie for the reminder!
Love Suzanne
p.s. I've already taken the time to e-mail a few copies!
Suzanne
....and let there be no purpose in friendship save the deepening of the
spirit...
....for what is your friend that you should seek him with hours to kill? Seek
him always with hours to live.
-- Kahlil Gibran from The Prophet
Subject: Re: Reading Binge
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 10:24 AM EDT
From: Andie1040
Message-id: <1998043014244100.KAA01272@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Ruth Ann: Reading binge indeed! I always read your posts with pen in hand to
write down all the wondeful recs!
My computer was down again for three weeks. Oh my, 1074 posts to catch up
on... I will start tomorrow. I have missed you all so much! That finance
course I'm taking would be unbearable without the balance of all the
wonderful books recommended here. Ta for now
~Andrea in Illinois ....currently reading
Larry's Party by Carol Shields
A book is like a garden, carried in the pocket - Chinese proverb
Subject: Re: Reading Binge
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 10:25 AM EDT
From: Andie1040
Message-id: <1998043014252700.KAA02620@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Ruth Ann? I mean Ruth Alice!!! I HAVE been away too long!
~Andrea in Illinois ....currently reading
Larry's Party by Carol Shields
A book is like a garden, carried in the pocket - Chinese proverb
Subject: cats and birds?
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 11:34 AM EDT
From: EACurran
Message-id: <1998043015341300.LAA07466@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Thanks to all who wrote about their New York visit. I have enjoyed reading
each and every one of the posts. Now I'm looking forward to seeing Mari Lu's
pictures and hearing her tales.
Cats and birds. We have two doves building a nest in a trellis by our front
door. They are lovely birds and are doing very careful work. Problem? We have
two cats, one who has been known to enjoy birds in a very cat like way. She
looks like she is watching this nest building in a curious rather than
predatory way, and I would like to think she might somehow "adopt" these
visitors rather than see them as there for sport. The birds have noticed the
cat, and they and the cat have watched each other from a distance. DH says if
given the opportunity, she'll do what cat's do. Am I setting a death trap by
letting the birds go about their building? Should I let nature take it's
course? Can my cat see these birds as "special"? Am I dreaming? Suggestions
welcome!
Books - I have finished What the Deaf Mute Heard. Fascinating story, and the
author told it well - just the right mix of history and suspence. I wish more
attention had been given to the main character's skills in interacting
(besides at the middle of house in the next town over, which was beautifully
written!) and a bit less to the business details. Have now started Elizabeth
Berg's new book, beautifully written so far (as I had expected). The
beginning story, about two young sisters, fits right in with all the recent
posts about remembered childhood games and events.
Erika
Subject: Erika and bells
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 12:28 PM EDT
From: Sandquist
Message-id: <1998043016284500.MAA10118@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Dear Erika,
While I am more frequently asked the question about
protecting nesting
pterodactyls from pet alligators, concern for the safety of small birds
around pet cats is also well-justified. I know that many people have tied a
small bell to their cat to prevent the cat from sneaking up on
worm-preoccupied birds. I do not much care for this approach. First, most
cats do not like wearing bells. Some do, but these are often unfairly treated
and scorned by the majority of bell-a-phobic cats. I think attaching a bell
to your cat to
protect the visiting birds is to curse your own pet in a well-intended, but
foolish, attempt to protect the little flying critters.
The stupidest approach to this problem is one that I encounter not
infrequently among the Audubon contingent who try to teach self-defense, sort
of a midgeted-down form of martial arts, to the birds. This is ridiculous.
You could spend a decade trying. Believe me not even Chuck Norris could teach
the average bird to dent a butterfly with a roundhouse kick much less stop a
cat in full-pursuit of being a cat. Unless I am missing the whole
concept here, and the Auduboners think the sight of a Bruce Lee bird will
make most cats fall down in convulsive laughter -- if not that, I just don't
get it.
For me, there is only one sensible approach to the cat and birds
problem. It is the bell. But, not for heaven's sake, a bell on your cat. Go
buy a giant bag of small bells. They are not that expensive, and, nowadays
not all that hard to find. Don't try to do the whole neighborhood of birds in
one day or even one week. But get into the enjoyable habit of routinely
belling a few birds a week. I have been doing this in the Huntington area for
years, and not only are the birds safe from cats - who will not even think of
eating something that sounds like a xylophone -- but the belling has made it
unnecessary for anyone in our area to invest in a set of wind chimes.
Remember the sage counsel of that wonderful women outside St.Paul's --
"Bell the birds, tupence a bag,
tupence, tupence, tupence a bag.
bell the birds, tupence a bag,
tupence, tupence, tupence a bag."
Hope that helps, Erika. Keep me posted.
Bob Barker
Warren -----
"Earth's crammed with heaven, And every common bush afire with God; But only
he who sees takes off his shoes; The rest sit round it and pluck
blackberries." --
Elizabeth Barrett Browning
Subject: Re: Simon on the Subway
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 12:39 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998043016390400.MAA12215@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Oh Cheef I am really loving your Simon stories!
Gina
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re:NYC trip
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 12:39 PM EDT
From: Jibs Kid
Message-id: <1998043016394300.MAA10953@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Thanks all for sharing your adventures with us stay-at-homes--would have
loved to been there. My company came and left had a wonderful time---went to
the Cincinnati flower show
which if in the area I highly recommend.
STill plodding through Crossing to Safety--enjoying it just not having the
time to read much in
one sitting.
Got my order yesterday from Shopping. Com---very impressive service and those
prices are
great.
Also ordered from Flying Noodle--got the box this am---recipes attached to
each product.
My parents are coming from Houston tomorrow am--need to go cook and clean
(yikes!!)--
Judi---re: Bookstock what is the closest airport to your locale?? Still
thinking about taking
the plunge. Will there be another NYC in the near future??
Gotta go
SV
The family--that dear octopus from whose tentacles we never quite escape nor,
in our inmost
hearts, ever quite wish to.
Subject: Re: Erika and bells
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 12:48 PM EDT
From: Ginaagain
Message-id: <1998043016481600.MAA11565@ladder03.news.aol.com>
LOL! Warren you are a nut! Thanks for cheering up my morning.
Gina
Hope against hope, and ask till ye receive.
James Montgomery
Subject: Re: whew!!
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 02:58 PM EDT
From: Gina125
Message-id: <1998043018581700.OAA22919@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Nancy: I've been reading about the picket lines in some of the posts from the
NYC reunion.
Maybe I missed it, but who was doing the picketing?
Sounds like everyone had a wonderful time anyway. It's really been fun
reading all the different accounts.
Gina in Houston
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even
touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller
Subject: Re: Party ideas
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 03:46 PM EDT
From: LizTom
Message-id: <1998043019460200.PAA27362@ladder01.news.aol.com>
What a clever birthday party! I've done the breakfast routines before, but
never with such imagination. I'll file the plan away somewhere -- I might
need it someday.
Cissie, convinced that she will never catch up! Only about 240 more posts to
go.
Subject: Re: Something for the heart
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 05:32 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998043021322400.RAA08947@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Jackie,
The Ann Wells article you shared has touched me deeply. The sock-in-the-gut
absolute truth takes my breath away and offers us all alternative choices to
the status quo or at least helps us think about self imposed limitations or
reticence. Without being saccharin sweet, the advice is profound, and if we
listen, really listen, it certainly hits home. Although a wake-up call to
"smell the roses" can be a cliche', it can also be a blessing and an
opportunity to exercise expanded horizons now. What are we waiting for?
There is no formal invitation issued ever, just gentle reminders which drift
by, often unnoticed. Sometimes it takes a tragedy to pointedly accost us,
and then, after time, we may forget again. Here's to remembering and keeping
in touch with that which is truly important.
"Don't ever save anything for a special
occasion. Every day you're alive is a special occasion."
Whenever
possible, life should be a pattern of experience to savor, not endure.
I'm trying to recognize these moments now and cherish them.
"Someday" and "one of these days" are losing their grip on my vocabulary.
If it's worth seeing or hearing or doing, I want to see and hear and do
it now.
Thanks Jackie. I do not think these words need further editorializing. They
hit home hard. At least, they mean a bunch to me, and the story within which
the advice was imbedded was powerful.
Roe
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: cats and birds?
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 06:32 PM EDT
From: EOR WILES
Message-id: <1998043022323300.SAA14536@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Erika,
My cats, and there have been a multitude of them over the years, can tolerate
a Crow or Mourning Dove inhabiting the same space, or even seventy-eleven
various and sundry birds, without pouncing or killing. They have been
attacked by Blue Jays and screamed at by Cardinals, twittered at by our Dear
Jenny and Jake Wren, with no problem. What my cats can neither resist nor
leave alone is a nest within climbing range. Either eggs being there or
babies
emitting pitiful or hungry chirps are too much of a temptation. My cats can
only exercise so much restraint. They are fiends and primeval carnivores who
seek out the helpless and destroy, much as Arnold in the Terminator, and show
no mercy. They have been known to climb the electrical box or vault over tin
pan obstacles to destroy a nest. The Bluebird population was diminished one
year because of them (boxes too close to the ground). So, I would
say, if the nest is out of range, encourage the birds, but if the nest is
within the waiting abilities and claws of the cats, who look at baby birds as
prey in the joy of life, encourage them (the birdies) to build elsewhere. I
have become physically sick while being presented proud evidence from Gypsy,
a six pound well-fed wonder who looks just like Sheba on the can. Very high
nests are easily protected by the parental, frontal attacks.
On the other hand, a nest on the trellis, unless you know how to safeguard,
is an invitation to disaster, even if the cats tolerate the adults.
Sorry. Cats is cats!
Roe
Roe
Eor
"Again the sun!
anew each day; and new and new and new,
that comes into and steadies my soul."
From The Pangolin, by Marianne Moore, 1936
A fabis abstinete_ eat no beans.
Subject: Re: Simon on the Subway
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 06:42 PM EDT
From: CheefWil
Message-id: <1998043022420500.SAA15712@ladder03.news.aol.com>
I may be short changing my other lovely son, Matthew. He is five years older
than Simon and quite different from him. He is my gregarious crowd pleaser
with the big heart. Case in point, he now teaches First grade and LOVES it.
But he has brought so many special things into our lives as well.
A typical Matt story? While he was at Stanford, he heard that Dick Francis
would be visiting and signing his new book; The Edge. He bought a first
edition and stood in line forever to get it signed for me. (I have always
been a MAJOR Dick Francis fan.) They were told that Mr. Francis would not be
personalizing his autographs. But Matt IS a charmer, and one of my precious
possessions is a first edition copy of The Edge, which is autographed, "Dear
Sandy, Happy Birthday! Dick Francis."
AND we now have a beautiful Daughter-in-law, so Life is good. We are
fortunate in our children.
Cheef
Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.
Mary Chapin Carpenter
Subject: it's almost Friday
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 07:08 PM EDT
From: MCMala
Message-id: <1998043023083900.TAA20300@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Sorry that I have been absent from this group, but this construction around
here has taken a lot of my usual pep. However, I hope to get it back over
the weekend. We are leaving tomorrow for a 4-day weeknd in Puerto Rico,
compliments of DH's brokerage firm. While the young Turks are out trying to
one-up each other with golf, tennis, volleyball, etc., I plan to tour San
Juan and read on the beach.
Went to B&N the other day to return a book and walked out with American
Pastoral, The Light of Falling Stars ( for obvious reasons), These Is My
Words, The Short History of a Prince, Shed 10 Years in 10 Weeks ( after 40
it's patch, patch, patch, and I'm over 50 so it's overhaul, overhaul,
overhaul) and an interesting book called Quarantine by Jim Crace, a book that
won the Whitbread award and was a finalist for the Booker. It is based on
the 40 days
Jesus was in the wilderness and has gotten a good review in the NYTimes Book
Review. Has anyone read it?
I am not reading The Magic Circle after finishing Skull Session and have left
to read from the liberary Isle of Joy, The Antelope Wife and Cloud Chamber.
I went to pick up The Last Instance of the Fingerpost today on reserve (last
day they would hold it) and hit the jackpot--they also had The All-True
Travels and Adventures of Lidie Newton by Jane Smiley, Where River Turns to
Sky by Greg Kleiner, Father and Son by Larry Brown, and The Pilot'sWife by
Anita Shreve. Now if I just had a few uninterrupted moments.....
Loved hearing about the NY trip. Could picture it all, but could have done
it better if I could put more names with faces. You did take pictures,
didn't you? You will put them in Fredonia, won't you?
Another Matter--who is going to Michigan in August? Don't be shy--let me
know. And and Sue, I have lost the info about the agent to call for the
reservations. With the construction, I have lost just about everything. Now
I remember why those dingy walls looked so good to me for so many years. It
has to look positively awful before I am willing to do this.
Reading the Magic Circle
Mary Coral from Bama where stars really do fall
Subject: April Books
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 11:32 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998050103324600.XAA22297@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Well folks...it has been a slow month. Can you believe this? But it was
capped off by today which was my last day of work...as of this moment, I am
self-employed! I have my 4-year old daughter coached that if someone asks
what her Mommy does, she responds, "She has her own business." If they ask
what the business is, she says, "Corporate Team Building." I'm pretty
excited...it has been pretty consuming this month which is why my book
volume is way down...but the quality was excellent! I don't know if this is
an omen, but I went to my first official networking function for my new
business the other night and I won TWO door prizes!!!
So here's April:
Atwood, Margaret Alias Grace 9
Hamilton, Jane The Short History of a Prince 7
Banks, Russell The Sweet Hereafter 7
Lamott, Anne Hard Laughter 5
Diane in S. Florida
Thinking about starting American Pastoral
Subject: Re: it's almost Friday
Date: Thu, 30 April 1998 11:39 PM EDT
From: DiNeer526
Message-id: <1998050103393200.XAA23095@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Was reading about your 4-day weekend in Puerto Rico with your DH's brokerage
firm...and in the name of shameless self-promotion and the cookbook I sent
you, wanted to see if you could get a plug in for my Corporate Team Building
business! Companies who do these kinds of trips are often looking for fun,
experiential, team-building activities to incorporate into their other
business activities. And I've got 'em!!!
So, if there's a contact person that I could send my information to, I'd
certainly appreciate the referral!!!
Diane in S. Florida
Subject: Re: Bookstock 98'
Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 12:11 AM EDT
From: Gazebo316
Message-id: <1998050104114100.AAA28094@ladder01.news.aol.com>
My agent's number for bookstock travel plans is 1-800-537-2840, ask for Laura
and tell her Gazebo Sue sent you. She can't do the hotel part, write me for
that.
Sue in Mi
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