Cabinet and Built-ins chat

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Author:  ElseNew

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Date:  3/7/1996

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<<Tonight's chat covered case joints, dado blades, box joints, and where to get dowel centers>>

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Tonights chat covered case joints, dado blades, box joints, and where to get

dowel centers

OnlineHost:

OnlineHost: *** You are in "American Woodworker". ***

OnlineHost:

RSG96: What do you want to discuss, TOYMAKER?

Stesher1: sorry toy lurking here

KWeikel560: what do you need it for?

SAllwoods: Anyone know of a good cabinet software?

ELoren3068: yep no pieces from the fraiser

Toymaker99: I actually was just going to watch because I don't know much

about cabinets.

RSG96: Good Evening ElseNew....are we going to discuss cabinet's tonight?

ElseNew: Yes RSG

RSG96: Paul, I reread your book last week...have some questions.

ElseNew: Hello everyone I'm your host tonight. Tonight is cabinet chat

ElseNew: Fire away RSG

Toymaker99: Hi ElseNew!

SAWDUST637: dinner ready see ya!

ElseNew: Hi Toy

ElseNew: Night Saw

Stesher1: hi elsenew

ElseNew: Hi Stesh

RSG96: I plan to try several techniques you describe...building four wall

hung and 3 base cabinets

RSG96: Do you still rely on tongue and groove joint to join cabinet cases?

ElseNew: Yes RSG

MjMlW: paul, I have a question about cabinet doors..

KWeikel560: I used the kreg jig and it's great

ElseNew: Yes MjM

RSG96: Have you had any success cutting T&G using a router table in place of

dado cutter?

RWolfe2636: hey y'all

SAllwoods: Kreg jig works wonders!

ElseNew: Hi RW

FredD17209: evening folk

MjMlW: are these MDF doors as popular everywhere as they are in the south?

ElseNew: I have cut the grooves using a router many times. The tongues I

usually cut on the saw

ELoren3068: I shoulder tounge on the shaper

ElseNew: Hi Fred

RWolfe2636: what's new Else

Balldeegle: RicckRedFoxanyone into wood carving?

ElseNew: Yes MjM

Toymaker99: Hi Mr. D17209

ElseNew: Excellent EL any relation to RL

MjMlW: they are cheap enough, but tough on tooling...

RSG96: Do you think biscuits are strong enough for this application?

Hhundley: Hi everyone

ElseNew: Yes MjM

ELoren3068: No relation

ElseNew: No RSG

Toymaker99: Hey H, how's it going?

ElseNew: Not for doors. For casework they are fine

MjMlW: have found i must include cost of bit in bid...

ElseNew: Good idea MjM

RSG96: OK...My dado blade SUCKS!...Lots of tear out...I was hoping to use

router for T&G.  Any th

RSG96: thoughts on a good technique?

MjMlW: can get maybe 50 doors and drw fronts to a bit..

Hhundley: Hi Toy going well

ELoren3068: Any one from the N,Y, area

KWeikel560: RSG keep bit clearance as close to zero. inbite is easy if too

wide.

RWolfe2636: RS when you use the dadoe blade  have you tried to score the

grove with a knife first?

Bobpsy: Need advice on finishing antique chair I repaired any ideas on old

finishes?

ElseNew: There is a new MDF. Its reground and cast--about 40% lighter and

easier on the bits MjM

ELoren3068: RJ router cuts from the wrong face doesnt control thickness

FredD17209: orange shellac is a match for some of the old varnishes

ElseNew: Try Michael Dresdner on Sun nites Bob

Stesher1: have you considered varnish,bob?

MjMlW: is that the High density fibrecore?

ElseNew: No MjM where are you ?

MjMlW: mississippi..

Bobpsy: It looks like the wood was walnut but the finish is a honey color.

The orange shellac sounds right

RSG96: No I haven't RW...I'll try scoring the plywood tomorrow night......

ElseNew: RSG the T& G can be made with a router. I have done it many times.

The tongue is faster and

ElseNew: better even with tearout from thetable saw

FredD17209: Bob in case dres dies before sunday, get one of Geo. Frank's

book's on refinishing

ElseNew: Sorry Mj Ct Plywood Corp carries it. I don't know their source

RSG96: Any recommendations on a good dado blade?

RWolfe2636: RS are you using a stack dado or a wobble style?

Bobpsy: Thanks for the advice FredD

MjMlW: will check with area vendors, thank paul...

SAllwoods: Frued SuperDado - no chipout, good w/laminates

ElseNew: I have Freud I find it adequate

RSG96: I have a cheap stack dado set from Sears....bought many years

ago...carbon steel.....

Toymaker99: Hey Fred, what are you doing?

FredD17209: watching

Toymaker99: Dadoes, my favorite subject.

RWolfe2636: I use the stack set from sears... carbide tip does great

ElseNew: I'm not crazy about wobblers but they do have one advantage over

stacks

RWolfe2636: what?

ELoren3068: I use Opold with replacement tips

ElseNew: They can be adjusted to any size.

RSG96: What diameter dado blade is adequate for a 10 inch tablesaw?

SAllwoods: 8"

FredD17209: 8"

ElseNew: Depends on what your  doing RS

ElseNew: I have 6 and 8

MjMlW: hey paul, ever use full blade stack by offsetting teeth..

DJohn83311: What's the best way to remove polyurethane from a picnic table?

RSG96: Will a wobbler cut acceptable tongue for T&G joint?

JTobin9658: I WANT TO BE A DENTIST

FredD17209: jasco stripper

ElseNew: No Mj never tried

KWeikel560: Gotta go,  NITOL.

Hhundley: nite kw

FredD17209: nite

MjMlW: works great, smooth cut and clean removal...

DJohn83311: Is a jasco stripper a liquid?

ElseNew: If that's what you have Rs It will do the job. If your going to buy

BUY STACK

ElseNew: Nite KW

RWolfe2636: set the table in the sun and let the sun do it for you..then sand

FredD17209: viscious liquiod

ELoren3068: m

ElseNew: Wobbler's cut arc on bottom of groove

ElseNew: They will also cut a raggy groove on a fast cut

ELoren3068: Methaline chloride

FredD17209: close

RAPonWood: I bought something neat for my dado blades. It is a spacer to go

between them to cut

RAPonWood: tenions with

ElseNew: You can cut the tongue or groove using the regular blade in the

table saw

FredD17209: delta moulding head for table saw makes a good t&g

Bobpsy: Time for dinner

ELoren3068: Good nite gents

KLovett580: knot head

FredD17209: nite

ElseNew: Not for case joints Fred

ElseNew: Nite EL

RSG96: As you mentioned Paul, I can make multiple passes with ATB blade for

groove....

MjMlW: Paul, what do you think of box mitre for drawer assembly?

ElseNew: Have I met you Kitty?

RSG96: then cut tongue with mutliple passes also....is technique worth the

effort?

AW KMace: Are you David?

ElseNew: Paul Levine

AW KMace: Oh, no we have mot met, I'm the art director

ElseNew: I use T&G, machine dovetails, and finger joints

ElseNew: You can cut the tongue with two passes-one flat and one vertical

MjMlW: paul, do you use fingerjoint alot?

FredD17209: Raining hard here JF

ElseNew: No Mj but I like the look and they are verrrrrrry strong

Toymaker99: H: check the IM

MjMlW: use all the time on overarm router...love it...

RSG96: I make alot of finger joints....been using router table and single saw

blade for 1/8" joints

ElseNew: Next time I'm down I'll have to say hello KM

SAllwoods: Dovetail is the BIG request here

AW KMace: Please do

Dt1212: hi all

ElseNew: Hi Dt

MjMlW: have made circle head sash windows with it...

RAPonWood: I got a OMNI jig for dove tails works real good

RSG96: Us a Freud flat top blade for finger joints....makes a clean

joint...hard to glue up....

ElseNew: Have same jig, very nice Rap

MjMlW: makes joinery piece of cake...

GBrenne990: hello from southern Kansas

RAPonWood: It was a son of a gun to set up the first time though

ElseNew: Hard wood or soft RSG?

JFowler38: sorry fred lost connection drizzling here

ElseNew: Hi GB

FredD17209: hi fellow Kansan

RSG96: Mostly poplar and cherry boxes...

SAllwoods: What about adjustable template for omnijig?

Tenon258: What about hand cut dovetails?  fun or a chore?

ElseNew: Havn't tried SA

RAPonWood: Prety expensive but they have them.

GBrenne990: Not trying to interrupt but where's everybody from?

SAllwoods: Chore

FredD17209: Abilene

RAPonWood: Vermont

Toymaker99: Calif

RSG96: Dublin, Ohio...

ACBEHREND: Indiana

Dt1212: gb....fl.

Tenon258: MA

RWolfe2636: maryland

ElseNew: Both tenon depends on how many and what time frame

SAllwoods: Ohio

AW KMace: Pa

Stesher1: md

MjMlW: Miss.

JFowler38: san diego ca

Hhundley: Ky

RAPonWood: Where in KY

RWolfe2636: where in md Stesher

Hhundley: Louisville

Stesher1: burtonsville,where are you?

RAPonWood: Got a son in Lexington.  Love to go down there real pretty

RWolfe2636: centreville  eastern shore

Mike Lesli: Hi,all

FredD17209: hi Mike

GBrenne990: I'm from Topeka, Kansas but vacationing in southern texas. Sure

is cold here!

Dt1212: hi mike

Hhundley: Hi Mike

ElseNew: Do you like big lead photos or little KM?

ElseNew: Hi Mike

Tenon258: what street is Louisville on?? (Just kidding!)

RAPonWood: Sometimes I'd like to move from here but access to hard woods here

is terrific would be hard

RAPonWood: to give it up

AW KMace: Paul you talking to me??

Stesher1: nice area rw,you go to the wood show at p g equestrian ctr?

ElseNew: Yes KM

AW KMace: BIG photos

Mike Lesli: Jammed packed tonight

ElseNew: I like you already

AW KMace: Full bleed, esp. workshops

RWolfe2636: no,  when is it?

DML7680: What is the topic tonight?

ElseNew: Cabint chat DML

Dt1212: tennon..as far as dovetails go , theyere tricky to start but fun

later

Stesher1: sorry,it was 2 months ago

ACBEHREND: anyone try that new profile sander from Porter Cable yet?

RWolfe2636: day late  dollar short again

DML7680: I bought one but havn't used it yet

BritAbby: Has anyone ever used a metal insert to mark the hole locations on a

connecting piece of wood

ElseNew: No AC we just got one but haven't tried it yet

Stesher1: i know the feeling well

SAllwoods: tried on corian cove, easier to hand sand

RAPonWood: I built a stroke sander.  Can get 8' between the pullys.  Man does

it eat the wood

FredD17209: dowel center Brit

Toymaker99: I've got some work to do tonight, bye Fred and H

ACBEHREND: I wonder if its any good for raised panels

ElseNew: Do you mean for dowels Brit

FredD17209: nite Toy

RAPonWood: ACB you talking to me

Toymaker99: nite,  H, your don't get the IMs, catch you all later.

Hhundley: Nite Toy, a change of pace will do you good!

KRAXLER: Hi nobody there?

ACBEHREND: no rap

BritAbby: Yes for Dowels - I can't seem to find them.

Tenon258: DT, your'e right.  Hand cut my first (after a class). Nothing to

write hm about,but a thrill

ElseNew: Hi KRAX

ElseNew: Have you tried mail order Brit

KRAXLER: hi elsenew

FredD17209: general hardware makes them ,in most hardware stores

QUAVERLAND: hithere

BritAbby: Yes for dowels - I can't seem to find them.

ACBEHREND: any trimcarpenters out there

ElseNew: Hi Quav

QUAVERLAND: hi rbish

FredD17209: me trim ACB

ElseNew: Try Woodworker's Supply Brit

ACBEHREND: hi fred

JFowler38: use a small brad if its marked but not drilled brit

MjMlW: used to be acb...

RWolfe2636: Brit try Armor Crafts  1-800-292-8296

FredD17209: what are you doing now AC?

ACBEHREND: I'm a trimmer in south bend,IN

QUAVERLAND: any body elese doing easter crafts

FredD17209: that's where they still use hardwood

Hhundley: Brit Dowel Centers pg 57 WWS Feb issue

ACBEHREND: where are you fred?

FredD17209: Oakley ca.

ACBEHREND: yep,sure do

BritAbby: I tried the woodworkers store in Mpls., MN.  Where is Woodworkers

Supply?

ElseNew: New Mexico

FredD17209: Brit ., any ACE hardware has them  made by General

ACBEHREND: do you mean out where you are they don,t use hardwoods for trim at

all?

RSG96: Hope to try some of your techniques this weekend Paul...I'll get back

with you in a couple

MjMlW: paul, do you like woodtek tool line in wws?

SAllwoods: gotta go..

ElseNew: Nite Sall

Hhundley: WWS NM,NH,NC,WY 18006459292

FredD17209: they do in Blackhawk where the millionaires live

RSG96: of weeks and let you know how successful I was....Thanks for all the

help...in advance....

Mike Lesli: Nite

RWolfe2636: Brit I have a catalog from Armor they come in an eight pack 2

each of 1/4 5/16 3/8 & 1/2"

ElseNew: Have only tired one item Mj it was a small edgebander Awful!

ACBEHREND: what do you guys normally use

ElseNew: Good luck RSG

RWolfe2636: catalog # 83005 for $3.75

ElseNew: Nite Mike

MjMlW: stationery machines are really good...

FredD17209: cherry and oak stain grade Poplar pain grade

RSG96: I enjoyed your book....I'm building your mortising jig for my

workmate...see you later....

ElseNew: Nite RSG

ACBEHREND: Lots of poplar used here but i think thats everywhere due to

increased cost of clear pine

FredD17209: hi JS, Hi Ojai

FredD17209: clear pine is gold

Ojaiwood: what's up?

JSchull: Hello folks

MjMlW: poplar oak and some cypress all I use..

ElseNew: Hello  Ojai, JS

Mike Lesli: Hi js...

ACBEHREND: cypress really?

ElseNew: Clear pine I was just quoted $7 bd ft

Ojaiwood: sure like to have some cypress!!

MjMlW: sure, for exterior millwork..

JSchull: never used cypress isn't it stringy

ElseNew: Cypress is great

JFowler38: 8/4 else?

Ojaiwood: you need pine fred?

PaulAck: hello all What's up?

MjMlW: mills out nice...

Mike Lesli: Use cypress all the time...nice and cheap. Works nice

ElseNew: Yes JF

Reyd134: from who elsenew?

FredD17209: Ibuy moulding grade pine thatis clear for 265.00 a thousand

ElseNew: Hello Paul

Ojaiwood: i got some 16/4

ACBEHREND: what's it like ( i mean what species)

ElseNew: Condon Lumber

FredD17209: ponderosa

Ojaiwood: 16/4 sugar pine, clear

Reyd134: Did you try keiver-willard?

FredD17209: I use it for nail strips and toekicks

ACBEHREND: We get a maple or mohagany job once in a blue moon other than that

its just oak or poplar

FredD17209: I am all oaked out

Dt1212: nite all

ACBEHREND: i hear it

JFowler38: why clr for nailers fred?

FredD17209: ash is prettier

MjMlW: fred, poplar cheapest clear lumber avail. down here..

Hhundley: nite dt

FredD17209: looks better

Ojaiwood: amen fred

FredD17209: mdlg grade not bad for money JF

FredD17209: have to buy it from wholsaler , never see it in lumber yards

ElseNew: Poplar is the number 1 hardwood in the US

JFowler38: spoiled down here want all melemae interior

JSchull: says who E

ACBEHREND: #1 selling I'm sure

Ojaiwood: how's price on vertical grain, KD clear doug fir?

MjMlW: good stuff...makes great moulding..

Hhundley: No 1 in sales or preference

FredD17209: nothing but birch or maple for interiors

ElseNew: Sales Hh

JSchull: back in a bit folks

MjMlW: what about oak, ash, cherry and mahog., fred?

ElseNew: See ya JS

ACBEHREND: see ya folks

Ojaiwood: see ya

ElseNew: Nite AC

FredD17209: talking kichen cabinets MJ

Hhundley: nite ac

FredD17209: nite AC

MjMlW: oak and ash?

JFowler38: bye

ElseNew: Bye JF

RWolfe2636: me too nite y'all

JFowler38: saying to AC sorry else

FredD17209: I was refering to using maple or birch "c" grade ply for cab.

interiors MJ

Hhundley: nite rw

Stesher1: night rw

ElseNew: Gotta get up early. See you next week for Cabinet Chat

MjMlW: ok..

Hhundley: nite else

FredD17209: nite AW

AW KMace: I'm going fishing, nice chatting with you Paul, stop by when you r

in town.