Info-ParaNet Newsletters November 13th 1991
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 499
Wednesday, November 13th 1991
Today's Topics:
Re: Jupiter as Second Sun
UFORA moving to Cairns
Ogden Gifs
(none)
When the paranormal becomes an Oops
Implants
AZ Mutes
Crip Circles
End of Ogden?
UFORA moving to Cairns
AREA 51
satellite info
Ogden Gifs
Crop Circles
lost
Re: WEIRD NIGHT ON HALLOWEEN
Weird Night On Halloween
Roswell
Heard On The Street
Revelations
Cover Up?
Tremors
More Tremors!
Continuum
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Re: Jupiter as Second Sun
Date: 7 Nov 91 04:43:00 GMT
> Thanks for jogoging my memory again on that article. I'll look
> for it this weekend.^^^^^ (that's supposed to be "jogging")
Hi Linda,
No problem. There is no hurry to find that article.
> Say, do you folks down under receive a newspaper cartoon
> called
> "Calvin & Hobbes?" Its about a 6-yr old boy and his stuffed
> tiger doll. Anyway, cute cartoon in a cartoon book featuring
> these two characters: Calvin is walking with his tiger in the
> woods (the tiger doll becomes a real tiger when no other people
> are present) and Calvin says, "I was reading about how countless
> species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction
> of forest."
>
> Next frame, he continues, "Sometimes I think the surest sign
> that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that
> none of it
> has tried to contact us."
I live in Adelaide, South Australia, and I haven't this cartoon in
our local newspapers.
> Interesting statement, don't you think?
Yes, very interesting and very true. If I were an extraterrestrial I
don't think I'd like to contact our "civilization".
Regards,
Vlad
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: UFORA moving to Cairns
Date: 7 Nov 91 05:08:00 GMT
This is just to let you know that you are going to lose contact with
us for about two weeks or so.
UFORA HQ and Administration is moving to Cairns, tropical Far North
Queensland, on November 13, 1991. I'll poll Paranet on Saturday
evening, (our time) November 9, for the last time before I pack my
computer and send it off to Cairns. My wife and I are leaving on
Wednesday by car. It will take us about 5-6 days to get to Cairns. As
soon as I have phone connected I'll get in touch with Mike.
Because I am host for Paranet/UFORA you'll also lose contact with
Bill Chalker, Keith Basterfield and other UFORA associates who are on
Paranet/UFORA. We have established a UFORA Research Division in
Adelaide and Keith, as UFORA research officer, is going to be in
charge of this branch. Other than that everything else remains the
same. I'll post our new adress on Paranet as soon as possible.
Regards,
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From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly)
Subject: Ogden Gifs
Date: 7 Nov 91 01:38:00 GMT
> Hi Mike,
> You asked:
>> Yes they are the drawings, how can I get ahold of the Lasercopies?
>> Mike Keithly
> Mike, that's the $64,000 question! Peggy Noonan has been
> trying to get actual copies for WEEKS, and has had no luck.
Well she informed me and as soon as she gets them in she will let me know,
seems the whole fild of UFOlogy is awaiting these pictures..
> Something's fishy here - but we don't know what (or whom)!
> Regards,
> Linda
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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 7 Nov 91 18:36:43 GMT
From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)
Subject: When the paranormal becomes an Oops
Well, people have been very gentle with me regarding my
caloric error. Experimentalists say that if you are
correct/accurate to within an order of magnitude, you
are wrong. Well, I was accurate to within 3 orders of
magnitude...
Sorry to have bothered you.
Sheepishly,
Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Implants
Date: 7 Nov 91 18:33:00 GMT
>Hi, Thanks very much for the details of that show which
>included the account of an abductee's implant. When you
>mentioned the name- Richard Price-it does ring a bell. There
>was a very detailed write up about Price's experiences in the
>Apr/May 1991 issue of "UFO Universe" by Antonio Huneeus. If
>you'd like a copy I can send you one. So, thanks for the
Hello Keith,
Thank you for your kind answer! How very generous you are
to offer to send a copy of the UFO Universe article about Price!
Wouldn't it be terribly expensive what with copying and postage,
though? If it is not too unreasonable and isn't too time consuming,
I would like to accept your kind offer on the condition that you
permit me to reimburse your expenses for sending this article. And
this raises a problem -- when I've exchanged items with friends in
England or been paid by British magazines, I've had difficulty using
the funds or cashing checks, so that past experience makes me wonder
what would be a fair medium of exchange for you...perhaps you have a
use for U.S. stamps (maybe in return envelopes?) or perhaps you
would have no difficulty cashing a check or depositing it in your
bank? Please let me know what would work best for you, but I do
want to cover the expenses or perhaps exchange something of equal
value to be fair. Hmmmm....if funds were a problem, perhaps you
would want a copy of the audiotape of the radio interview?
As you noted, hard evidence is sadly lacking in so many
cases. I'm interested to learn more about the Price case...maybe
it'll become an Omni magazine article later.
Thank you, again, for your kind reply and generous offer.
==Peggy==
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: AZ Mutes
Date: 8 Nov 91 05:16:00 GMT
In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <05 Nov 91 06:51> Jim Speiser
wrote:
JS> From this, one would be tempted to conclude that Some Unknown
JS> Higher Intelligence is purposely carving up cows in a manner
JS> that resembles the modus operandi of Satanists, in order to
JS> cover its tracks. The reason I'm beginning to get a little
JS> skeptical of this is because it sounds like what one lady told
JS> me about why most people don't see UFOs: because they have the
JS> ability to change the shape of their craft so that they look
JS> like clouds (yes, she was serious!).
I once met I Brazilian man who claimed to have a photo of a UFO
taken in Peru. When I told him it looked like a cloud, he
responded..."Oh no, the UFO is hiding *behind* the cloud!
SW> I'd sure like to hear what some other pathologists have to say
SW> about Altshuler's conclusions....some of the non-ET, non-cult
SW> hypotheses. I've never seen anything in print anywhere. Has
JS> I, too, would like to see an independent review of Altshuler's
JS> findings.
I heard some M.D. out east critiqued his work - I'll have to
see what I can dig up.
SW> Has Skeptical Inquirer ever done anything that you know of?
JS> Mostly they point to a book called "Mute Evidence" by Kagan and
JS> Summers, and write the whole thing off as predation. Little
JS> mention is made of cult activity (I wonder why, in light of
JS> Raffity's certainty that this is cult-related?)
Judging by the evidence I've seen, predation could be the cause
of some mutes, but certainly not all. The precisely excised
regions of tissue is not the type of damage one would expect
from an animals jaws.
SW> BTW, did you know that the leading cause of "accidental" death
SW> in cattle is electrocution by lightning?
JS> No, but it makes sense.
I thought some of the "jaw mutilations" might be explained by
lightning strikes, since cattle spend a great deal of time
grazing with their moist tongue and lips to the soil, creating
an excellent electrical ground. I asked Altshuler about this,
and he responded that these types of wounds would exhibit
"charring" effects, which are *not* seen in some of the facial
mutes.
SW> I am certain that Satanic activity does account for some
SW> mutes,...
JS> Why, if there is no solid evidence? If there is, where can we
JS> read about it? See, I'm skeptical of BOTH sides on this one.
There are some cases I've seen here in Illinois, where chest
cavities have been savagely torn apart, and hearts removed,
leaving little doubt that some aberrant personalities were
involved, although the perpetrators were not apprehended.
Anyway, please keep us informed on the latest in the AZ cases.
Sheldon
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Crip Circles
Date: 8 Nov 91 05:16:00 GMT
In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <02-Nov-91> Keith Basterfield
wrote:
KB> Hi Sheldon, thanks for the material "The Summer 1991 Crop
KB> Circles:The Data Emerges." It's great to see some more
KB> scientific research is being undertaken on this topic.
You're most welcome, Keith. I hope you have also received the
Strieber farewell letter I mailed about 10 days ago.
KB> I wonder if crop circles will strike Australia this harvesting
KB> season?
Wouldn't be at all surprised, and I'm sure you'll keep us all
informed as summer approaches down there. I know Vlad is
relocating, and you'll be off-line for a few days. Talk to you
when the system is back up.
Take care,
Sheldon
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: End of Ogden?
Date: 8 Nov 91 05:17:00 GMT
Hi Peggy,
I think you've done a great job w/Ogden, but it saddens me to see
you reach this apparent impasse. I'm sure you'll agree that this
happens all too often in this crazy field. (As some of us might say,
far too often to be chance alone.)
Anyway, I shall be certain to keep you informed of anything further
re: this story that you might find useful, but it does indeed look
like the well has gone dry.
Perhaps you can pick up on Jim Speiser's AZ mutilation case. At least
people are willing to talk about that one, and I'm sure it would be of
interest to your readers.
Thanks again - and best of luck,
Sheldon
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: UFORA moving to Cairns
Date: 7 Nov 91 14:31:49 GMT
In a message to All <06 Nov 91 22:08> Vladimir Godic wrote:
VG> UFORA HQ and Administration is moving to Cairns, tropical Far
VG> North Queensland, on November 13, 1991. I'll poll Paranet on
VG> Saturday evening, (our time) November 9, for the last time
VG> before I pack my computer and send it off to Cairns. My wife and
VG> I are leaving on Wednesday by car. It will take us about 5-6 days
VG> to get to Cairns. As soon as I have phone connected I'll get in
VG> touch with Mike.
How much you wanna bet THE LANDING takes place in Sydney on November 10th, and
we won't be able to get any info out of you guys for two weeks....
Jim
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From: Michael.Thomann@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Thomann)
Subject: AREA 51
Date: 8 Nov 91 00:29:00 GMT
I'm looking for the latest information on Lazar and AREA-51. I'm new
's and interested in the UFO scene. Let me know of any info.
Thanks,
Mike
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From: Ron.Navarro@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Ron Navarro)
Subject: satellite info
Date: 8 Nov 91 03:06:00 GMT
I need to verify some information. I am interested in how to locate
information on satelite failure, specifically any satalites that may
have fallen to earth during November 84 to January 85.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Ogden Gifs
Date: 6 Nov 91 05:35:00 GMT
> I have the Ogden gifs here for D\loading if anyone wants them.
Are they available by freq?
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Crop Circles
Date: 6 Nov 91 05:40:01 GMT
> One writer on another echo queried if anyone has done any Kirlian
> photography studies on CC plants. Not to my knowledge, but I am
> examining the possibility. This technique certainly could yield
> some intriguing results, and possibly provide us with another means
> of ascertaining authentic formations.
I've forgotten most of what little I knew of Kirlian photography, so please
bear with me.
Does the process yield results that really mean much of anything? Are there
certain things seen in the images that mean one thing, and other things that
mean another? Or is it more of a curiosity?
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: lost
Date: 6 Nov 91 06:08:02 GMT
Lost my echo feed here for a couple of weeks, so if you've written to me,
please repost.
jbh
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: WEIRD NIGHT ON HALLOWEEN
Date: 6 Nov 91 19:02:57 GMT
Still have not seen the whole show yet. I did have a devil of a time all
weekend (in costume) so the tape sits in the VCR waiting for me to sit still
for an hour.
I got the GIFs of the Ogden object, but the printer or program here makes
hash out of them. So I still know nothing. (as usual?)
The Orcadian is the weekly newspaper of Orkney. Nothing special in three
issues so far. Big news about a roundabout that was the first on the
mainland, and that they had three accidents the first week. The ban on
shellfish has been removed, Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning. First annual
Science Festival... Nothing about archaeology or paranormal yet.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Weird Night On Halloween
Date: 8 Nov 91 02:26:01 GMT
> and then cited the crop circles as a possible proof
> while noting the animal mutilations as a factual proof of alien
> visitors.
Unfortunately neither of these things constitutes proof of alien visitations.
The only proof they provide is of strange crop formations and strange animal
mutilations. Both mysteries are still whodunits.
jbh
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Roswell
Date: 1 Nov 91 04:14:00 GMT
> I am new to Paranet, but I have found nothing in this section about
> Roswell, the most dramatic example of what is happening and the most
> dramatic example of the government (almost) screwing up. What am I
> missing?
Just ask. We cover a host of topics here. We have also covered the Roswell
event in great length and will do so again if you wish to begin the
discussion.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Heard On The Street
Date: 1 Nov 91 04:27:00 GMT
> Also from CUFOS: The reason for the dearth of timely information on
> Belgium has just become clear. SOBEPS, the Belgian UFO Society, was
> writing a book. The book has just come out, and the good news is it is
> chock full of OUTSTANDING photographs and video stills of the famous
> triangle - not just lights in the sky, but ANOMALOUS TRIANGULAR OBJECTS
> in broad daylight. The bad news is, its all in French. CUFOS is looking
> for a few good translators, and I volunteered to put the word out on
> ParaNet. I know I've seen German and Spanish spoken here, and I think
> French as well. They would like to send out several chapters rather than
> the whole book, as its 500 pages, and that's a bit much. Any volunteers?
Not to speak for him, but John Chalmers might be interested in taking a crack
at the french stuff.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Revelations
Date: 1 Nov 91 04:34:00 GMT
On Sunday, October 27th, I had the great pleasure to meet with Jacques
Vallee while he was here in Denver. He has recently published a new book
titled "Revelations." I have read the book and will be doing a book review of
it very soon, but I did want to post something about Vallee's outstanding
work. The book deals with the aspect of ufology that most of us will not
accept: disinformation and who is behind it. I am sure that most of the ufo
community will find the book caustic, however it is a very refreshing look at
just how badly the research community has faltered in their efforts to bring
an understanding of the UFO phenomena. Get the book and read it.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Cover Up?
Date: 8 Nov 91 07:45:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
* Originally from Robotic Systems
* Originally dated 11-07-91 18:41
From: jjwwjj@mixcom.COM (Robotic Systems)
Date: 7 Nov 91 18:43:05 GMT
Organization: Milwaukee Information eXchange (Public access Usenet, Email)
Message-ID: <1870@mixcom.COM>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
I apologize in advance if I was not suppose to post this after
reading it on CompuServe. If this is a wrong thing to do, please
let me know, and I will not do it again!
Is the following what really happened, or just a cover up of a real
UFO sighting by many people?
TEL AVIV (NOV. 7) DPA - A soldier who fell asleep
on guard duty had hundreds of Israelis believing
that aliens from outer space were invading their
town, and caused a full military alert to be
annouced, Israel Army Radio reported Thursday.
Hundreds of residents of the northern town of
Bet She'an had reported seeing a mysterious circle
of light high in the sky on Tuesday night.
Police confirmed the sighting and in
conjunction with the army declared a military
alert until the light disappeared at dawn.
The mystery was solved the next day when it was
discovered that a soldier who nodded off at his
guard post slumped against a powerful searchlight,
flicking on its switch and directing its glaring
beam into the sky, the radio reported.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Tremors
Date: 8 Nov 91 08:05:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Fido UFO Echo"
* Originally from Douglas Smith
* Originally dated 11-03-91 21:37
Hey folks, there have been some strange things happening down here in
Florida & Alabama. The earth has been shaking for no apparent reason! Here's
an excerpt from yesterday's Pensacola News Journal:
UNKNOWN TREMORS SHAKE CITIZENS, BEWILDER OFFICIALS
West Florida and South Alabama rattled Friday, but no one can explain the
mystery jolts.
The National Earthquake Center in Golden, Colo., didn't record any tremors
in the area, but the News Journal and the Weather Service recieved several
reports of shaking at about 11 a.m. and 3:30 p.m.
The calls came from Perdido Key, Ensley, downtown Pensacola, and Mobile,
Ala.
"I was out in the yard working on my car and the ground started shaking
under me, so I got away," said John Marchese of West Gregory Street near
downtown (Pens). "The windows in the house nearly broke."
Pensacola Naval Air Station and Eglin Air Force Base spokesmen said they had
no reports of supersonic flights or other military activities that could
explain the tremors.
"We had the same kind of weird thing happen about two months ago, and we
didn't ever resolve what happened," said Eglin spokeswoman Lois Walsh.
There is one major fault in the North-west Florida area, and it is inactive.
It runs from beneath the Gulf of Mexico northwest through Santa Rosa County
and the Jay oil fields.
It bends in a westward arc through southern Alabama, southern Mississippi,
northern Loisiana and Texas, where it ends.
-Article by Ginny Graybiel
of Pensacola News Journal
Yep, it's a strange thing. I myself didn't experience the tremors this time,
but I did feel the ones that happened a few months ago. The windows start
rattling, and there is a low rumbling noise.
That tremor happened Friday (Nov. 3rd). A second tremor occured the next day
(Saturday, the 2nd). I'll post the article that appeared in today's paper
about it in my next message...
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: More Tremors!
Date: 8 Nov 91 08:05:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Fido UFO Echo"
* Originally from Douglas Smith
* Originally dated 11-03-91 21:51
The following is an excerpt from the Pensacola News Journal, concerning a
series of tremors which have been shaking the Florida/Alabama area:
TREMORS CONTINUE IN AREA
-Jokester Blames Gulf Breeze UFO-
The ground in Pensacola continued to shake Saturday, but for the second
straight day, no one could explain the tremors.
Police and local military bases were swamped with calls Saturday from people
wanting to know what caused the ground to shake about 4 p.m.
"It really was scary, it honestly was," said Cheryl Swanson, who felt her
house rattle.
The tremor was strong enough to break windows and knocked the lamps off a
table at one man's Ensley home, a sheriff's dispatcher said. She said operators
answered more than 100 calls from people asking about the shake.
What caused the ground to move is still a mystery. Similar tremors were
reported at 11 a.m. and 3:30 p.m. Friday.
Local Military bases deny responsibility and the NAtional Earthquake
Information Center in Golden, Colo., reported (again) no tremors in the area.
Russ Needham, a geophysicist with the center, said he was stumped. "I can't say
it isn't an earthquake, but if it was, it was too small for us to detect,"
Needham said.
He speculated that the tremor could have been caused by an aircraft
traveling at supersonic speeds.
But officials at Eglin Air Force Base and Pensacola Naval Air Station said
the military is not responsible.
"We don't have anything to do with it, but we're trying to find out," said
NAS Operation Specialist 2nd Class Harold Brown. "We felt it over here, also.
We're getting one call after the other."
"It's not coming from us," Eglin spokeswoman Capt. Susan Brown said. "It
shook my back door, too, so I know what you're talking about."
Air Force Sgt. Ronald Smith said he started recieving calls about 3:50 p.m.
from Orange Beach, Ala., to Destin (Fla).
Matt Carter, 17, of Gulf Breeze said the kitchen windows rattled.
Al Rappuhn, 66, who lives about three miles from NAS, said his windows
rattled and his house shook for about 10 seconds.
"I wonder if it's that gang out in Gulf Breeze moving those UFO's on us?"
- Article by John Fritz,
Pensacola News Journal
Weird, wild, wacky shtuff, eh?
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Continuum
Date: 8 Nov 91 09:07:00 GMT
Recently, we sent out over 300 complimentary issues of ParaNet's official
bi-monthly news magazine, Continuum. I would love to hear some feedback on
our efforts. Also, if you haven't sent in your subscription, hurry! The next
issue is on its way to the layout department and should be ready for mailing
in a couple of weeks.
Thanks,
Mike
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