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       Volume 19 Number 1                 Friday, January 15, 1993

 

 

Today's Topics

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 Re: Technical Questions about ESLs

 Re: Benefits of high-current design?

 HDCD compatabilty

 mail order

 INFO WANTED (Dynaco, Sonic Frontier, McIntosh)

 Re: recording quality

 Re: BRYSTON

 Bipolar Speakers:  Positioning???

 Electronics for 802s

 Re: HDCD

 STAX Sigma headphones

 connections

 Mark Levinson Digital Processor

 Re: What became of Threshold?

 Blue Laser

 Re: adcom gcd-575 skipping

 Re: Sota and HDCD

 FOR SALE: Interconnects

 question about speaker wire and gauges

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From: widener!rnd.stern.nyu.edu!sbhattac@cmcl2.NYU.EDU (Shankar Bhattacharyya)

Subject: Re: Technical Questions about ESLs

Date: 14 Jan 93 13:43:45 GMT


In article <1iuncaINN9hd@uwm.edu> Sheldon__Stokes@qmgate.arc.nasa.gov (Sheldon  Stokes) writes:


>1)  Is the membrane that is electrostatically charged semi-condustive, or is it

>just a piece of mylar?  I am assuming that there is a conductiv4e strip at the

>top and bottom that a DC power supply is attached to.  What sort of potential

>is applied to this membrane (the Acustat 1+1 use a plug in transformer like a

>portable cassette deck would use; this leads me to believe that the potential

>is small)?  Is one side grounded and the other side held at a raised potential?


First, I disclaim any claim to expertise. I just claim enthusiasm. Also, I

apologize in advance for any odd context. I have copied in a considerable

amount of stuff from a long, earlier, post and I may not have edited

things down properly.


In modern esl's the membrane tends to be raised to some voltage above the

mean voltage between the two plates. So the plates are driven by a

centre-tapped transformer, with the centre tap grounded, and the membrane

bias is applied between ground and the membrane. Voltages from somewhat over

1 kV on up get used. A photocopier power supply serves adequately, provided

you can scale the voltage down quite a bit. They tend to provide 7 kV on

up, in my limited sample, and you need a good bit less than that. 3 kV

should do for almost any design one is likely to build at home.

That generalization may reflect limited experience on my part, though. I

have only built one esl (yes, that's exactly half a pair) since I already

had a pair of old Quads, but I learned a little in the process.

 

>2)  The plates on each side of the membrane have a high voltage signal applied

>to them via a step up transformer.  What is the winding ratio of that

>transformer usually?


That turns ratio varies from about 50:1 to about 100:1 in the esl's of

which I know. One of the Quads uses 100:1, if I remember correctly. There

are a few transformers out there with a turns ratio of about 50:1,

available to the builder. Sanders recommends the Triad S-142A for his

design. Turns ratios above that could be hard for the home builder to achieve.


>  ...........   I

>understand the principal that they work under, but am not sure of the values.  


You should read the papers by Peter Walker, in the 1955 issues of Wireless

World, if you have not read them already. They will not tell you about

quantities, unless you know a lot more electrical engineering than I do

(knowing more than I do is easy, by the way), but those papers are the

classics on the subject. It is surprising how much the guy had thought about.


I have some prejudices as to how one should go about building esl's.


First work out the essentials of your design.


Then slap a panel together, without regard to sound quality. This is

a cheap experiment, and teaches you a lot about the mechanics of

construction, and something about design choices, and it dramatically

improves your subsequent decision-making. There are all sorts of small

issues which you will not have anticipated. If you are really thorough

about a gedanken experiment in construction you may be able to foresee most

of the problems, but this is cheap enough that I think it is best to go

ahead and just build one. Besides, a gedanken experiment will not tell you

much about the physical complexity of many step. You often have to do the

manipulations to learn that. Good gedanken experiments are every bit as

hard as real experiments, though cheaper. Of course, you can build a sort

of scale model as an initial pass, and you should be able to learn almost

as much from that as from a full-scale job.


This can be done in a weekend once you have the materials.


The rest of this post is stuff I have posted before, but it doesn't hurt

to point people to the published sources, so what the hell.


Rick Karlquist and I exchanged a few messages as to literature quite some

time ago, and this list contains stuff I got from him, as well as

references I already had.


The 1955 Walker papers are:


Walker, Peter J., Wide Range Electrostatic Loudspeakers


          A series of three papers, in Wireless World, 1955


          1. Principles of Design for Operation at Low as Well as High

             Frequencies with Negligible Distortion, Wireless World,

             May 1955, p 208.


          2. Problems of Air Loading: Different Requirements of Moving-coil

             and Electrostatic Drive Units,

             June 1955, page 265.


          3. Complete Systems: Loudspeaker/Room Relationships,

             August 1955, p 381.


          And a couple of corrections in July 1955, p 346.


          These papers are an absolute tour de force. You must read this if

          you plan to build esl's, indeed if you have any interest in esl's

          at all. The man thought of everything. It is startling how

          little has been contributed since then. Peter Walker is God.


          Be careful to ensure that you get everything. They tend to do the

          "continued on page such and such" bit.


Also:


Borwick, J. (editor),  Loudspeaker and Headphone Handbook, Butterworths, 1988


          Informative chapter on esl's. The book is about $100, but most

          engineering libraries should have it. It has more theory than any

          other secondary/tertiary source I have seen, but little how-to

          information.


          The ESL chapter is by Baxandall.


          It's a pretty good book, and covers lots of good stuff other than

          esl's.


Newman, R.J.,   Dipole Radiator Systems, J. Audio Eng. Society,

           vol. 28, #1/2, p35, 1980.


          This paper says nothing about esl's specifically, but it is of

          general interest to esl builders. It lets you understand bass

          response better.


Construction articles:


Hermeyer, David,  An Electrostatic Speaker System,

           The Audio Amateur 1972, #s 3 & 4


           I have not seen this. I suspect one can get along without it.

           Hermeyer included a massive direct-drive tube amp, by the way,

           that people have described as great. I have no opinion on it.


Sanders, Roger R.:


           The Audio Amateur, 1975 #4, and 1976 #1.


            This was Sanders's first published design, and is faintly

            interesting, but I did not find it instructive. However, it has

            information on direct-drive tube amps and such, that might

            interest you. These articles seem derived from Hermeyer's

            work. Sanders had not yet become the full-blown Sanders.


           An Electrostatic Speaker System, Speaker Builder 1980, #s 2, 3, 4

            Part 1: 1980, #2, p 20  (general issues)

            Part 2: 1980, #3, p 20  (panel construction)

            Part 3: 1980, #4, p 26  (TL woofers, system integration)


            These are very instructive articles. Sanders despises technical

            types, and his style can drive one up the wall, but he knows a

            lot about the practical issues of esl design and construction.

            These articles pursue his earlier designs to a quite

            respectable state.


            You do have to decide how seriously you will take his opinions,

            since he does not just have opinions. He has the Truth (tm),

            and brooks no differences of opinion. In particular, he

            absolutely despises any technical quibbles from what he calls

            "technofreaks". That means anyone who thinks a differential

            equation is a useful thing.


            In any case, if you want to build esl's, you have to read these

            articles.


            Related letters appeared in subsequent issues of Speaker Builder,

            in 1980, #s 3 &4, 1981 #1, 1982 #4, 1983 #s 3 & 4, 1984 #3.

            Some of it is discussion, some argument, and so on.


           A Compact Integrated Electrostatic/Transmission Line,

            Speaker Builder, 1990, 3 articles, #1, p 30, #2, p 36, #3, p 38.


            I found these less instructive. The information is useful, but

            not groundbreakingly so, while the 1980 articles are. These

            1990 articles have too much stuff in them, all in parallel.

            Three different construction techniques are described. A much

            hyped "beam-splitter" technique is described, but I don't get

            it.


            To get the full benefit of this series I think you have to have

            read his 1980 series.


            A correction appeared in Speaker Builder, #4, 1990, p 3


            In his 1990 articles he recommends the Triad S-142A transformer.


Wagner:   Electrostatic Loudspeaker Design and Construction,

          Tab Books Inc., Blue Ridge Summit, PA, 1987,

          ISBN 0-8306-0832-X (hardcover), 0-8306-2832-0 (paperback)


           The design described in it is vastly over-elaborate. The book has

           useful tables and so on, many of which are formulated in ways that

           make you work to use them.


           There is potentially useful stuff on directivity and such.


           The book has reprints of some early esl papers, including the

           Walker papers from 1955, but cheerfully neglects to provide any

           references, not even the references which were in the original

           papers. Hell, he does not even tell you exactly where the papers

           themselves came from. It is a very frustrating book. Lots of

           information, enough so that you would expect it to be written

           more or less like a technical book, and then he skips stuff

           you would expect to see. I'm not thrilled about the organization.


           Wagner coats the diaphragm with Ivory soap, I think, and that is

           probably not a great long-term design choice, but graphite would

           be easy to use instead, and would be a much more conventional

           choice.


Lang, David,  Amber:  A Sheathed Conductor ESL, Speaker Builder #6, p18, 1988


           Interesting construction technique, based on the Acoustat

           technique of using insulated wire for stators. It would probably

           perform quite well, but I suspect the efficiency would be rather

           low. Almost no performance informance is provided.


           There were follow-up letters in Speaker Builder 1988 # 1, and

           a correction in 1989 #2, both from Lang.


           Lang also provides a list of 18 patents, but the patents are of

           limited interest to all but the most deadly serious builders.

           I collected them all, and while I am reluctant to say that

           not knowing what was in them would have been better, I sure

           as hell haven't learnt anything I can use.


The Hermeyer and Sanders work is reproduced in "Audio Amateur Loudspeaker

Projects", Marshall-Jones, 1985. I know the 1975 Sanders stuff is in there.

I don't know about his 1980 articles, and, of course, the 1990 articles are

more recent than the book. The book is available from Audio Amateur

Publications.


Wagner's book was reviewed in Speaker Builder, in #4, 1982, with follow-ups

and letters in 1988 #2 & #3. The review is not particularly objective. It's

by Sanders, and I think he is miffed that Wagner did not credit his work.

That annoyance is justified, since it is irresponsible to write about esl

construction and not mention Sanders, but the book is better than Sanders

suggests. The paperback may be out of print. I don't know for sure.


Speaker Builder 1988, #5 has some interesting information on plate

insulation, and other related and unrelated subjects, with comments from

Sanders and Wagner in response to a letter. Well worth a look.


Speaker Builder and The Audio Amateur are published by :


  Audio Amateur Publications

  PO Box 576

  Peterborough, NH 03458


  (603) 924-9464  (9-4, M-F)


A subscription to Speaker Builder is $25 a year for six issues. Subscribers

can order single back issues., but non-subscribers must order a whole

year's worth of issues. That's how I understand it, anyway.


If you are not familiar with Wireless World, it was an entirely respectable

journal. I don't know if it is still around. A good engineering library

should have it.


JAES, of course, is easily accessible.


By the way, if there is a patent on the Quad ESL-63, I would dearly love

to get a copy. Just a US or UK patent number would be nice, too.


A warning:


The voltages in esl's are dangerous. Make sure you know how to deal with a

few kilovolts. You could do some serious damage to yourself. If you know

what you are doing it is no problem. If you don't, you could get dead. That

is a bit of an extreme result, but it is not impossible.


Also, even just in terms of esl functioning, you really need to be more

careful about the polarizing voltage than Sanders leads you to believe.

My inclination is to use wider diaphragm to stator spacing than he says,

and to use higher polarizing voltage, but if you don't isolate the assembly,

you can get odd discharges. I had a steady orange discharge into the floor

till I raised the panel and took steps to isolate it. A friend who does

plasma physics helped me deal with that sort of thing. Conductivity

along wood surfaces is pretty high, for instance. And, at high voltages,

discharges can occur around corners and so on. The voltages inside esl's

are really not all that high, as high voltages go, even though they are

sufficient to be dangerous. My plasma physicist friend dismisses 50 kV as

a medium voltage, nothing to get excited about, but he deals with about

200 kV every day, and knows how to deal with these things.


Rick Karlquist reports that he has had an esl he was building burst into

flame.


The high voltage supplies are really quite easy to build. You do need

access to a high value resistor of significant wattage, or you risk blowing

the resistor. This resistor goes between the supply and the diaphragm,

and maintains constant charge on the diaphragm. I don't really know that

it has to be high wattage, but it concerns me that at early stages of

charging the diaphragm, several kV gets dropped across the resistor.


On parts for esl's :


HV supplies are available from Herbach and Rademann in Baltimore, for about

$15-20 each. They are a mail-order surplus place. Plenty of other places

will have suitable supplies.


The Triad S-142A transformer is available from :


Antique Electronic Supply

6221 S. Maple Avenue

Tempe, AZ 85283


The telephone number is 602-820-5411.


I believe the TRW/UTC LS-10 and LS-20 transformers would be terrific, but

they are very expensive. At long intervals they show up on the surplus

market. I'll pick up a pair if I can. If you have a pair, and are willing

to part with them, let's talk.


Sanders supplies 1/2 mil mylar.


Finally, Martin-Logan is a quite friendly establishment. they won't sell

you parts, but they are quite willing to talk about esl's in general

terms. I'm hoping to clone a Quest some day, with a pass at the Sequel II

as a practice run.


- Shankar


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From: widener!rnd.stern.nyu.edu!sbhattac@cmcl2.NYU.EDU (Shankar Bhattacharyya)

Subject: Re: Benefits of high-current design?

Date: 14 Jan 93 14:40:12 GMT


In article <1j17qkINNiq8@uwm.edu> gfl@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (lenahan,grant f) writes:


About Mosfet amps:


>Bzzzzzzt.  They don't need thermal compensation.  It has little to

>do with current limiting / protection.


Is that really true? They don't need to be protected against thermal

runaway, but depending on the bias, compensation against the dependence of

characteristics on temperature presumably has to be attended to.


I've built the Borbely DC-100 (with lots of help from Henry Pasternack,

Seth Bradley, and Len Moskowitz), and Borbely chooses a bias such that it

minimizes temperature dependence, so it is at least a design criterion.

For the Hitachi Mosfets so widely used, a 100 ma bias appears to minimize

temperature drift.


If I am over-interpreting Grant's post, or misinterpreting it, my apologies.

Given my level of understanding of electronics, it would be easy for me to

do either.


- Shankar


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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 11:57:23 EST

From: jas@proteon.com (John A. Shriver)

Subject: HDCD compatabilty


HDCD CD's should be completely compatible with any existing CD player,

transport, or D/A.  There is no change in the low-level format, it all

starts with a Sony 1630 U-Matic 3/4" video-tape master, just like any

other CD.


There would be zero market for a non-compatible CD format.  (A shame,

since using 16 bit floating point would blow away the current

brain-dead linear format!)


All of the information on a CD comes out the SPDIF interface,

including every last subcode bit, so wherever they may be stuffing

bits, they will be available to an external D/A convertor.


Come think of my previous comments that they might have an extra track

on the CD, I now realize that that is totally improbable.  The D/A

can't send any commands back over the SPDIF interface, so their

technique is clearly based on a novel encoding technique.  My guess is

still correlated pseudo-random dither.  Hmm, maybe they play some

games with subsonic signals, but I'm just grasping at straws.


Obviously, one needs a HDCD D/A to hear the full benefit of HDCD

encoding.  Only some of the benefit is available on a standard D/A.


It sure sounds like another reason to wait before spending a lot on CD

equipment.  Or at least ask if the expensive DAC you're buying will be

reasonably upgradable to HDCD decoding.


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From: gvanmoor@nrao.edu (Gustaaf Van Moorsel,,,)

Subject: mail order

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 18:03:56 GMT


I would appreciate some comments on recommended mail order places for buying

medium/high end audio products. Or should I pay more and support my local

audio store?


Gustaaf van Moorsel


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From: yk7m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Young-Kuk Kim)

Subject: INFO WANTED (Dynaco, Sonic Frontier, McIntosh)

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 18:12:55 GMT


Hi, Audiophiles


I would like to get some information on the following equipments:


1. Dynaco Stereo 70 II amp KIT (not complete product)

2. Sonic Frontier Amp Kit (EL34)

3. McIntosh MC275 Amp


   - How and where can I get them?

   - How much do they cost?


I would really appreciate your help.


-- Young-kuk Kim


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From: Chris Johnson <chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu>

Subject: Re: recording quality

Date: 14 Jan 1993 18:35:01 GMT


In article <1j3sb4INNskl@uwm.edu> Rudolf Daniel Riet, rdr4972@u.CC.UTAH.EDU

writes:

>_Dark Side Of The Moon_

>

> The MFSL disc is still better, probably due to its lower mastering

> volume level.  The sound, in some parts, gets compressed in the _Shine

> On_ version.  Otherwise, it's markedly improved from either Capitol

> version, with better sound effects and vocals.  Also, it seems that

> Dave's wish to "clean up the drums" has been fulfilled, somewhat, as

> the drums do sound a bit more clear on this version.


For whatever it's worth, I have to disagree about the MFSL disc. I have 

all three versions of Dark Side of the Moon and to my ears it ranks an 

annoying and expensive third to the Capitol and Shine On versions.  

(I also find the MFSL disc absurdly over-packaged, but that's another

matter.)


The Capitol release, of course, is nothing special and doesn't sound 

particularly wonderful.  My low opinion of the MFSL disc stems from my 

feeling that the bass was over amplified and muddied, and that vocals, 

especially the snippets of speech and conversations lurking in the 

background of several tracks, were made muddled and more difficult to 

understand.  Note that these judgements are relative to the quality of 

the Capitol disc, which was all I had to compare the MFSL disk with at

the time I bought it.


The version included in the Shine On box set is, for my money, the best

version.  It's strikingly clear, clean and balanced - nothing sounds over 

amplified or muddied - and all-in-all it's just a pleasure to listen to.

Highly recommended.


Of course, everyone gets their own opinion and this is just my $.02 worth;

your mileage may vary.


Chris Johnson


Internet:   chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu

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AppleLink:  chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu@internet#


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From: dw@csri.toronto.edu (Dave Wortman)

Subject: Re: BRYSTON

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 14:24:49 -0500


Bryston global headquarters is like that too.  Some local electrical

storms managed to fry the thermal overload in my 1983 vintage 1B preamp.

I took it out to Bryston (funky little office/factory in a nondescript

industrial park in NW Toronto).  The receptionist saw me come in and

walked me through their manufacturing operation (really LONG benches

with 3Bs and 4Bs being burned in) to the guy in back who actually

does the servicing. We had a long chat about what might be wrong and

how he was going to fix it and when.  (He had a very small repair queue

for a company the size of Bryston).  With luck, repair time (under

warantee of course) will be about a week (I told him it wasn't urgent, 

or he would have done it sooner).


I've been extremely pleased with my Bryston gear, this is the first

time I've actually needed anything repaired.


P.S.  The Canadian Broadcasting Corp (Canada's national radio/tv network)

appears to have adapted Bryston as their default amp and preamp.

I toured their new broadcasting centre recently and they had more Brystons

than I could count.


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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 15:02:18 -0500 (EST)

From: Shiv Swarup Pathak <sp3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Subject: Bipolar Speakers:  Positioning???


Recently, I bought a pair of Definitive Technology BP-10 bipolar

loudspeakers.  I live in a medium-sized dorm room (12'x15') with one

wooden wall (the shorter wall, composed to drawers and closets).  The

other walls are plaster (the one opposite the closets/drawers has large

windows.  Due to limitations I have to keep the speakers on the side

with the wooden closets/drawers.  Does anyone have any recommendatiosn

on how to positions them.  I have already experimented but I'm looking

for other opinions.  Thanks in advance.


-SHiv


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From: trent@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Trent Tucker)

Subject: Electronics for 802s

Date: 14 Jan 1993 21:09:23 GMT


A couple of years ago, I decided to upgrade my system.  I started with

speakers, and found a great deal on a pair of Series 2 B&W 802s.

Unfortunately, they consumed nearly all of my budget.  All that I 

could afford in the way of an amplifier was a Parasound HCA 800.  A

very nice amp for the price ($400), but not quite and good match for

the 802s.  Now that my finances have recovered, I'm thinking about an

upgrade.  Since the Parasound has volume controls and most bigger amps

don't , I'll also have to buy a preamp at this time.  All of my current 

listening is from CD.


I'm thinking in terms of spending ~$2000 on the amp, $1000-$1500 on

the preamp.


So, what do other 802 owners drive their speakers with.  Which electronics

are a good match with them?  Recently, the McCormack DNA-1 has gotten

good press.  Has anyone heard it matched with 802s?


Any suggestions in this price range?


I appreciate any wisdon that you can offer.


Thank You.


Trent


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From: Frank.S.Grassia@williams.edu (Frank S. Grassia)

Subject: Re: HDCD

Date: 14 Jan 93 16:51:30


CD's recorded in HDCD will play in a standard transport and D/A, and still

sound better than conventional CD's.  The HDCD decoder is just an extra

chip built in to the D/A, so the transport should still be usable for

getting the full benefit of HDCD encoding and decoding.


Frank

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From: peterh@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (huang peter suway)

Subject: STAX Sigma headphones

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 22:06:44 GMT


I presently own a pair of STAX SR-Lambda Signature earspeakers with the 

SRM-T1 amp.  I have not demoed the SR-Sigma Pro earpeakers and am 

wondering how they sound.  They cost about $1000 a pair.  I was wondering 

if anyone has listened to them and what they think of them.  How do they 

compare to the Lambda Signatures?

I was also wondering about the STAX diffuse field equalizers.  If you are 

familiar with them, could you tell me your opinions on them? 


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From: peterh@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (huang peter suway)

Subject: connections

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 22:49:38 GMT


I was wondering if high-end, expensive interconnects and speaker cables 

from companies such as Audioquest, Straightwire, and Tara Labs are worth 

the extra money.  Do they really improve the sound noticeably?  If you  

have any experience with them, could you tell me your opinions concerning 

them? 


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From: peterh@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (huang peter suway)

Subject: Mark Levinson Digital Processor

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 23:13:13 GMT


I was wondering what the function of a digital processor is and how it is 

implemented into an audio system.  Is anyone familiar with the Mark 

Levinson No. 30 digital processor?  Is it worth anything near its price 

of $13,950?


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From: apctrc!znpt01@uunet.UU.NET (Norman P. Tracy)

Subject: Re: What became of Threshold?

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 22:08:23 GMT


In article <1iuna3INN9go@uwm.edu>, D.Robert.Spexet@math.lsa.umich.edu (D. Robert Spexet II) writes:

> I notice that Threshold (Nelson Pass' company, makers of the Statis

> technology that is used in some amps) no longer seems to exist.

> What ever became of this company?

> -- 

> D. Robert Spexet II, N0OKR   Internet:  spexet@umich.edu, dspexet@attmail.com


Seems to alive and kicking, contrary to wreck.audio.high-end rumors.


I just called them at:

Threshold

7325 Roseville Rd.

Sacramento CA 95842

916-348-0600 voice

916-348-0678 fax


The above from a full page ad in Jan. Stereophile announcing a new line of

balanced pre-amps and IGBT amps.


I guess this rumor started because Nelson Pass has left Threshold.  His new

company is:

Pass Laboratories

21555 Limestone Way

Foresthill CA 95631

916-367-3690 voice

916-367-2193 fax.


Bucking the trend towards balanced everything Nelson's only product is a

mono 75 watt class-A amp with a SINGLE ENDED output stage!  Talk about your

basic room heater.  Only $7000 pair, right now the entire production is going

to Germany and the orient.  Should help the balance of trade deficit.  It

seems Threshold got to be too much of a job and not enough fun so Pass is

keeping his new company small and personal.


If like me you are a long time fan of Nelson Pass and his design's get the

4/92 and 1/93(not yet published) issues of The Audio Amateur magazine. In it

Nelson and his co-author Norman Thagard (whose day job is Space Shuttle Pilot)

go into wonderous detail on an amp project called A75.  A conservative 75 wpc

("only" 24 ea. 250 watt output MOS-FETs per-channel) in class-A mode it should

swing 100s of watts in A/B mode.  Its a great article with complete descriptions

of using FETs and a look into the tradeoffs experienced amp designers make.

Highly recommended as a project (my buddy is buying transistors with out even

waiting for part 2) or a tutorial.


Norman Tracy

-- 

znpt01@trc.amoco.com


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From: Michael George Buening <Michael.G.Buening.1@nd.edu>

Subject: Blue Laser

Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 01:05:44 GMT


 I was told by someone with some knowledge but not necessarily an audiophile

that Phillips was ready to almost market a blue laser for use in CD players

as well as I suppose eventually in CD-ROM and other optical technology.  My

question to you is how would this change the CD technology we use today

which I believe is in the red range.  The blue will have a shorter wavelength

but I don't know how that affects the data storage and retrieval on the 

compact disc.  Will this make for better sound, more music/disc or just

another system that we don't need.  Also, this must necessarily mean that

the red laser system and its discs are not compatible.  True?  Then we have

a whole new battle of which system is best and which company can market their

product most effectively.  Any and all information in this regard is greatly

appreciated.


Mike


-- 

| Michael Buening          | 

| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu       |


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From: randyd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding)

Subject: Re: adcom gcd-575 skipping

Date: 15 Jan 1993 01:09:22 GMT


In article <1j3sbaINNskq@uwm.edu> David Dennis <dpd@leland.stanford.edu> writes:

>I own an Adcom GCD-575 Cd player.

>

>However. . . the player does skip rather easily.  Does anyone have any

>experience with this or possible solutions?  I have put Audioquest

>sorbothane feet underneath the player and this seems to ameliorate the

>problem somewhat, although it does not eliminate it.

>

>solutions need to be cheap, preferably under $150.

>

I had to move my two subwoofers farther away from my GCD-575 to stop my

CD player from skipping on deep bass notes.  I have not noticed, however,

that this cd player skips more than others in the same price range.  I

would expect any cd player to skip if you play your music as loud as

I do.  I routinely need to put things back on the walls after playing

the 1812.


Possibly, if you put speaker spikes on the bottom of your rack,

you may stop some of the wiggle.  Remember, you need to press the

speaker spikes thru the carpet and down into the hard floor. 


If that doesn't do the trick, then try some 4x4 shock absorbers. :-)


Randy


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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 19:20 PDT

From: HENSONSA@MARCUS.WHITMAN.EDU

Subject: Re: Sota and HDCD


If you are looking at Sota, you might also want to look at VPI.  Both are 

highly regarded by the audio press (i have heard both mid-level decks and 

thought the sound was similar from both--couldn't decide between the two).  

Both VPI and Sota offer upgrade paths on their decks--you can buy the lowest 

priced table (HW-19 jr or Satellite respectively) and upgrade to the most 

expensive (or almost most expensive) tables at little or no additional cost 

over what you would pay for the top table--i.e. cost of upgrade is the same as 

the cost of the table you are upgrading to, minus the cost of the basic table.  


Incidently, in Portland, at a store called the Coffee Shop Trading Post, there 

is a Sota Star-Sapphire (old model, pre-vacuum) with a home built "electronic 

flywheel" (in addition to the regular power supply) sans arm board, for just 

around $400.00.  It looked like it was in good condition, and as far as I know, 

the old Sotas can be upgraded via the new Sota products (they changed owners in 

1990 or 1991).  I don't have the number, but you can call information if you 

are interested.


As far as I know, HDCD is independent of the transport--it is all in the D/A 

converter--so I suppose you could use your Theta Data or Magnavox or Audio 

Alchemy or [insert brand name here] transport as before.  However, as always,  

I could be wrong--it wouldn't be the first time.


-Derek


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From: gallian@tellabs.com (Doug Gallian)

Subject: FOR SALE: Interconnects

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 18:52:30 GMT


FOR SALE!!!  HIGH-END INTERCONNECTS


2 pairs (MIT 330 PLUS) interconnects:


1 pair is 2 meters long  New cost $500.00 Asking $190.00


1 pair is 1 meter long  New cost $375.00  Asking $125.00


If interested call Doug at 708-955-3062 days leave message or

call 708-739-0719 evenings leave a message.  Or e-mail.


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From: hum@cs.concordia.ca (HUM william)

Subject: question about speaker wire and gauges

Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 05:23:15 GMT


I've often wondered about this so I thought I'd ask others who know

more about electronics than myself.  If I were to bi-wire (not bi-amp)

my speakers with 2 sets of 16 gauge speaker wire, would it be equivalent

to just wiring them with one set of 8 gauge wire?  Of course I'm assuming

that other than for the gauge, both sets of wire are equal quality-wise

if that's possible??  


Will.

 



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