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From: wt0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Henry Timmins)
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Subject: Re: INFO: Crop Circles in Tennessee - John Komar/MUFON
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Date: 7 Jun 91 18:23:51 GMT
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Of course, crop circles COULD be indications of spiritual points or the
actions of various supernatural entities (faerie rings...).
:)
-Me
[Smiling for the perceived effect here, not the validity.]
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From: am4g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Artur Matuck)
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Subject: New info from Brazil!
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Date: 7 Jun 91 19:45:27 GMT
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Hello. My name is Artur Matuck. I write poetic science fiction and I am
very interested in alien visitors. I have enjoyed reading this
newsgroup, and I felt that I should provide some information regarding
what is happening in Brazil, from where I came 8 months ago.
Well there is a lot of recently written books on the subject by a man
called Trigueirinho, a spiritual leader who said he was personnally
contacted to receive the messages and write the books.
Maybe some American editors would like to produce an english edition of
the books. They are very interesting reports and shed a lot of light
onto the issue while describing an upcoming spiritual revolution that
humankind is/will be passing through. Maybe this will interest someone.
Artur
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From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins)
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Subject: Re: INFO: Crop Circles in Tennessee - John Komar/MUFON
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Date: 8 Jun 91 16:02:17 GMT
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In article <UcHwwrq00WB0QLnl58@andrew.cmu.edu> wt0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Henry Timmins) writes:
>Of course, crop circles COULD be indications of spiritual points or the
>actions of various supernatural entities (faerie rings...).
No, sir. We're not supernatural beings. But you have come close to the mark.
You see, in our elaborate Crop Circle hoax, which I described a couple articles
back, one of my partners got the bright idea to name two of our choppers the
"Night Ghost" and "Black Faerie".
One might say that rings produced by the latter could be called Fearie Rings...
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From: wt0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Henry Timmins)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The real damage of pop-UFOlogy
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Date: 8 Jun 91 19:43:53 GMT
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Well, there's a while to go before we'll have interstellar travel...
And if, as seems likely, FTL is impossible, then I doubt we'll send
anything other than automated probes to investigate planets.
-Me
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Re: Info: More On Hoagland's Mars - Paranet File
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Date: 9 Jun 91 00:57:00 GMT
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> From: mjo@ttardis.UUCP (Mike O'Connor)
> Date: 5 Jun 91 01:35:03 GMT
> Organization: Artificial Intelligence Society
> Message-ID: <2767@ttardis.UUCP>
> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.space,alt.conspiracy,
> sci.skeptic,sci.astro,misc.headlines,misc.misc
>
> In article <1991Jun4.165238.19320@ni.umd.edu>, louie@sayshell.umd.edu
> (Louis A. Mamakos) writes:
> >In article <1991Jun2.221810.26133@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don
> Allen) writes:
> >>
> >>The following text comes from the ParaNet UFO echo.
>
> What is ParaNet? How does one go about accessing it?
ParaNet is an international electronic network devoted to the research into
the paranormal and aerial anomalies.
You can get further information by writing to me at:
mcorbin@scicom.alphacdc.com
Michael Corbin
Director
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Vallee/streiber
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Date: 9 Jun 91 01:08:00 GMT
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> From: csuxr@warwick.ac.uk (Andrew Shires)
> Date: 5 Jun 91 22:58:53 GMT
> Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
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>
> I hadn't heard of Jacques Vallee until recently, but he sounds more
> lucid
> than anyone else I've so far read (on the basis of the posted
> interview).
> Is he typical of new researchers, or is he pretty much out on his own?
Vallee is a very good researcher who has received a lot of resistance from
some ufologists in this country. I find him to be very credible,
well-grounded and he represents the scientific aspect of the phenomena very
well. He is a scientist himself. Which proves that if you conduct the
research correctly, UFOs do have a scientific validity which should receive
some attention.
> The most objective things I had read previously were the Streiber books,
> but I have always felt they were just a little shaky. Does anyone have
> any
> comments about his works? Is he still the figurehead of the `credible'
> UFO
> literature (that's how I saw him, at least)? Or has he been debunked or
> has he admitted he was winding us up? This last point is not meant to
> disparage his books, which I find a quite lucid account of incredible
> experiences, but I've been brainwashed by sceptics into believing that
> anything that sells that well has to have been cooked up (re:
> Amityville)...
Streiber has *never* been considered the "figurehead" of the "credible UFO
literature." As a matter of fact, he falls far from that category. Further,
he has come under considerable attack from the credible UFO community for
numerous reasons, particularly his invovlement with certain witnesses whom he
allegedly manipulated. Some of the credible UFOlogists would be Thomas
"Eddie" Bullard, who has written a considerable amount on the abduction
phenomenon. The J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies in Chicago is probably
your best source of reliable information on this subject.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Info: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
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Date: 9 Jun 91 01:01:00 GMT
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> From: jenkins@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Steve Jenkins)
> Date: 5 Jun 91 15:47:59 GMT
> Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
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>
> In article <1991May31.022927.35@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don
> Allen) writes:
> >WWCR's radio broadcast "For The People" on 03-May-91 carried a
> >report by Richard C. Hoagland, who believes the United States
> >might have a spacecraft on its way to the planet Mars in order to
> >investigate the "Cydonia Message" first discovered in photos
> >taken by Viking 1 in 1976. Hoagland believes the Mars observer
> >spacecraft was deployed by the Space Shuttle "Atlantis" on
> >mission STS-38.
>
> Wow! I guess we better get busy with the Mars Observer telemetry
> system. It's not scheduled for ground testing until later this year.
Do you think that someone of your position might respond to this in an
intellectual way without resorting to these kind of statements? Hoagland
might not be your favorite fan, but at least we could get a balanced viewpoint
from someone who might know that would show Hoagland's statement to be
outrageous and unfounded. Personally, I feel that this is wild speculation as
well, but I would also like to hear from someone within NASA that could
respond with substantive evidence that this claim is ridiculous.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Re: Probe
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> Without the picture or any credible first hand witnesses, by any
> standard,
> this all adds up to poppycock.
Your mathematics is flawed. How does it add up to "poppycock?"
Wouldn't it be better to say that it is possible and warrants further study?
I have found numerous references in the scientific journals detailing the
strange shadow seen just before losing contact with the probe. Until you can
explain this anomaly, I say that the equation is still open and deserves
further attention.
Mike
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From: bbs.mjg@jwt.UUCP (mike gogulski)
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Subject: Re: Santanists
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> Seriously, I have several leaflets in my bulldada collection that point
> out the satanic connections between Santa and Satan. It's amusing to
> think that people actually spend money getting these printed...
>
> -- Kibo
I would be VERY interested in seeing some of those. So might my
parents...
--Mike Gogulski
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From: ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering)
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Subject: Re: Info: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
Summary: nahhhhh...
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In article <71567.285189A9@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
>
> > From: jenkins@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Steve Jenkins)
> > Date: 5 Jun 91 15:47:59 GMT
> > Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
> > Message-ID: <1991Jun5.154759.20360@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov>
> > Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.space
> >
> > In article <1991May31.022927.35@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don
> > Allen) writes:
> > >[Richard Hoagland believes NASA has secrectly launched the
> > >Mars Observer spacecraft]
> >
> > Wow! I guess we better get busy with the Mars Observer telemetry
> > system. It's not scheduled for ground testing until later this year.
>
>Do you think that someone of your position might respond to this in an
>intellectual way without resorting to these kind of statements? ...
> ... Personally, I feel that this is wild speculation as
>well, but I would also like to hear from someone within NASA that could
>respond with substantive evidence that this claim is ridiculous.
Well, I've just discovered a message in the local copy of Pnews:
"This program posts news to billions of machines throughout the galaxy.
Your message will cost the net enough to bankrupt your entire planet, and
as a result your species will be sold into slavery. Be sure you know what
you are doing."
This seems to indicate that we are currently in contact with numerous
alien civilizations. Personally, I think this is wild speculation, but I'd
like to hear from someone within the Computer-Aided Engineering Network
administration here at U-M who could respond with substantive evidence
that we are NOT actually communicating with aliens via the Internet, and
that this message is just a joke.
Ooops, sorry, folks - didn't mean to bankrupt the planet. Hope you all
enjoy your new lives as slaves of the ZETA GREYS....
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From: csuxr@warwick.ac.uk (Andrew Shires)
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Subject: Re: Vallee/streiber
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In article <71568.285189AB@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>
Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
>Streiber has *never* been considered the "figurehead" of the "credible UFO
>literature." As a matter of fact, he falls far from that category.
Well, I suppose I ought to have qualified the statment a little. What I meant
was, that he seemed to get the most publicity I had seen, whilst he did not
say patently stupid things (to my mind at least). For me, reading his
stuff legitimised UFO literature again, which, after much of the reading I had
done when I was younger, I felt was pretty poor.
>Further, he has come under considerable attack from the credible UFO
>community for numerous reasons, particularly his invovlement with certain
>witnesses whom he allegedly manipulated.
Could you tell me more?
My assessment of Streiber is based upon the fact that of all the witness
accounts I have read, his seemed to be the most careful to not draw
conclusions, particularly that he was been visited by extraterrestrials.
Of course, as a writer Streiber is a clever man and knows how to present
things for best effect -- this (whilst not an indictment) is why I feel
that if he is doing it for his bank account, he could do a pretty good job of
leading us on nonetheless. However, I am sceptical that he is a con-merchant,
and get the feeling he truly believes he has experienced what he recalls, and
to his credit he does not write an alarmist account of it. IMHO :-)
>Mike
Andrew
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