Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 506

                 Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 506

 

                           Monday, December 2nd 1991

 

Today's Topics:

 

                                Gulg Breeze Gifs.

                                   Belgian UFO

                         An Interesting Development ...

                       Re: An Interesting Development ...

                             Paranet Nodes in the UK

                               1991 VG candidates

                                 Re: Bill Cooper

                                Re: Omni Comments

                                     Author

                                   Belgian UFO

                          Gulf Breeze Sentinel buy-out

                  Mysterises Flugobject rast auf die Erde zu...

                                   Omni ONLINE

                                Re: Omni Comments

                                 To Mike Corbin

                                Gulg Breeze Gifs.


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From: doc.imperial.ac.uk!aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob

Subject: Gulg Breeze Gifs.

Date: 28 Nov 91 04:39:53 GMT


From: Robert Trevelyan <rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>



+I have three photos GIFfed online here. Can you file request? The wildcard name

+GBREEZ*.GIF will get all three.

+

+Jim


Jim,

 Thanks for the offer but I am not sure if/how I could

 request the files from here as we only have a pickup/dropoff

 mail service. Can you explain to how I would go about

 requesting theses files. Thanks again for the offer.


Regards, Robert

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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)

Subject: Belgian UFO

Date: 27 Nov 91 15:46:53 GMT


In a message to All <24 Nov 91 23:25> Michael Corbin wrote:


 MC> The following report has been provided by Jean Manfroid of the

 MC> Liege University and the Institute of Astrophysics.  Mr. Manfroid

 MC> is a subscriber to the ParaNet digest on Internet.


 MC> SCIENTISTS OF THE ASTROPHYSICAL INSTITUTE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF

 MC> LIEGE COMMUNICATE THE FOLLOWING REPORT ON THE SOBEPS BOOK

 MC> ABOUT BELGIAN UFOS, AND AGREE TO HAVE IT DISTRIBUTED VIA PARANET.


 MC> Belgian UFOs


Mike:


This is amazing. I think some skepticism of the skeptics is called for. For one

thing, it was my understanding that the "spurious" radar signals were seen on

three different radar scopes, including ground- and air-based. I also

understand that the latest generation of radar can filter out anomalous propagation. 


Furthermore, this case does not fit the pattern of spurious sightings of Venus

or aircraft. Usually such sightings are isolated, and not part of a wave. I

find it hard to believe that so many thousands of people misinterpreted

conventional aircraft for low-flying triangular platforms with bright white

lights.


If this report had limited itself to criticizing SOBEPS' treatment of the

affair, I could accept it. But this case does not live or die by the (rather

limited) involvement of SOBEPS. They were hardly even mentioned when the wave

first began. Nonetheless, the report extrapolates from the miscues of SOBEPS

to damning the whole incident.


Naturally, my mind is open to further, more comprehensive debunkings, but I

don't think it would be proper at this time to lower the ParaNet rating of

this case until something more definitive is forthcoming.


On the other hand, I'm glad to see that this report appeared here first! And

I'm glad to see we have an open channel to Belgium!


Jim


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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)

Subject: An Interesting Development ...

Date: 27 Nov 91 16:01:08 GMT


In a message to All <26 Nov 91 13:04> ncar!wrs.com!davidj@scico wrote:


 nc> From: davidj@wrs.com (David Jones)

 nc> I thought that I would share some interesting information with you.

 nc> A week or so ago, a friend of mine

 nc> spoke with Wendelle Stevens (perhaps the

 nc> premier UFO investigator of our time) at his home.  At that time, 


That's the second time you've referred to Stevens that way. Tell me, why are

you so enamored of him? Because he has the guts to present a woman from Venus

at his conventions?


 nc> is another 'whistleblower' (we need

 nc> more!) and would blow the top off things.


I predict that this person will either a) never come forward,

b) will come forward with an alias, or

c) will come forward with his real name, but will be able to provide nothing

in the way of evidence, either for his claims or his background. 


Anyone care to make a wager?


Jim


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From: Linda.Bird@p0.f8.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)

Subject: Re: An Interesting Development ...

Date: 28 Nov 91 04:18:43 GMT


Hi David,

 

Thanks for the interesting message.  We'll just plan to keep our eyes and ears

open...wider.

 

Best,

 

Linda


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From: doc.imperial.ac.uk!aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob

Subject: Paranet Nodes in the UK

Date: 29 Nov 91 02:31:39 GMT


From: Robert Trevelyan <rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>



Hi,

 Can anyone tell me if there is any Paranet nodes in

 the UK either currently or planned. If there is not any

 could someone explain how one would go about becoming a

 node and how someone could get a private Paranet/Fidonet

 mail address. I would like to be able to access this service

 from home in the future (not immediate future).

 Keep up the excellent service and appologies for my ignorance

 of it.


Thanks, Robert

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From: cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com!vanth!jm

Subject: 1991 VG candidates

Date: 29 Nov 91 06:39:50 GMT


From: vanth!jms@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)


In case anyone needs it to debunk alien rumors, here's the list of man-made

objects that might be approaching us next month:


-----


1991VG is predicted to pass Earth on December 5th.  Smart money says it's

a Saturn V booster stage.


* From Bruce Watson:


     EVERYTHING ARTIFICIAL IN HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

   (1991VG candidates)


  112 59 MU   1 LUNA 1   USSR 02 JAN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  113 59 NU   1 PIONEER 4   US  03 MAR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

   27 60 ALP  1 PIONEER 5   US  11 MAR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

   80 61 GAM  1 VENERA 1  USSR 12 FEB  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  221 62 ALP  1 RANGER 1   US  26 JAN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  222 62 ALP  2 RANGER 1 DEBRIS   US  26 JAN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  282 62 MU   2 RANGER 4 DEBRIS   US  23 APR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  374 62 A RHO1 MARINER 2   US  27 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  375 62 A RHO2 MARINER 2 DEBRIS  US  27 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  439 62 B ETA1 RANGER 5   US  18 OCT  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  440 62 B ETA2 RANGER 5 DEBRIS   US  18 OCT  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  450 62 B NU 2 MARS 1 DEBRIS  USSR 01 NOV  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  785 64 016D ZOND 1   USSR 02 APR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  923 64 073A MARINER 3   US  05 NOV  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  938 64 077A MARINER 4   US  28 NOV  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  942 64 077B MARINER 4 DEBRIS  US  28 NOV  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

  953 64 078C ZOND 2   USSR 30 NOV  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 1298 65 023B RANGER 9 DEBRIS   US  21 MAR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 1393 65 048A LUNA 6   USSR 08 JUN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 1454 65 056A ZOND 3   USSR 18 JUL  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 1730 65 091A VENERA 2  USSR 12 NOV  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 1736 65 091D VENERA 2 DEBRIS  USSR 12 NOV  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 1841 65 015A PIONEER 6   US  16 DEC  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 2130 65 027D LUNA 10 DEBRIS  USSR 31 MAR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 2393 66 075A PIONEER 7   US  17 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 2402 66 075C PIONEER 7 DEBRIS  US  17 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 2845 67 060A MARINER 5   US  14 JUN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 2846 67 060B MARINER 5 DEBRIS  US  14 JUN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 3066 67 123A PIONEER 8   US  13 DEC  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 3134 68 013A ZOND 4   USSR 02 MAR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 3533 68 100A PIONEER 9   US  08 NOV  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 3627 68 118B APOLLO 8 DEBRIS   US  21 DEC  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 3759 69 014A MARINER 6   US  25 FEB  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 3760 69 014B MARINER 6 DEBRIS  US  25 FEB  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 3770 69 018B APOLLO 9 S-4-B   US  03 MAR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 3837 69 030A MARINER 7   US  27 MAR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 3845 69 030B MARINER 7 DEBRIS  US  27 MAR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 3943 69 043B APOLLO 10 DEBRIS  US  18 MAY  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 3949 69 043D APOLLO 10 LM/ASC  US  18 MAY  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 4040 69 059B APOLLO 11 DEBRIS  US  16 JUL  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 5267 71 051B MARINER 9 DEBRIS  US  30 MAY  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 5861 72 012B PIONEER 10 DEBRIS US  03 MAR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 6425 73 019B PIONEER 11 DEBRIS US  06 APR  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 6742 73 047A MARS 4   USSR 21 JUL  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 6776 73 053A MARS 7   USSR 09 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 7224 73 053D CAPSULE   USSR 09 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 6919 73 085A MARINER 10   US  03 NOV  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 7567 74 097A HELIUS 1  FRG  10 DEC  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 7569 74 097C HELIUS 1 DEBRIS   US  10 DEC  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 7570 74 097D HELIUS 1 DEBRIS   US  10 DEC  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 7947 75 054A VENERA 10  USSR 14 JUN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 8111 75 075B VIKING 1   US  20 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 8272 75 083B VIKING 2   US  09 SEP  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 8582 76 003A HELIOS 2  FRG  15 JAN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 8583 76 003B HELIOS 2 DEBRIS   US  15 JAN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

 8584 76 003C HELIOS 2 DEBRIS   US  15 JAN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

10272 77 076B VOYAGER 2 DEBRIS  US  20 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

10273 77 076C VOYAGER 2 DEBRIS  US  20 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

10321 77 064A VOYAGER 1   US  05 SEP  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

10322 77 064B VOYAGER 1 DEBRIS  US  05 SEP  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

10323 77 064C VOYAGER 1 DEBRIS  US  05 SEP  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

10912 78 051B PIONEER 12   US  20 MAY  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

11003 78 078C PIONEER 13 DEBRIS US  08 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

11004 78 079A ICE    US  12 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

11020 78 084A VENERA 11  USSR 09 SEP  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

11025 78 086A VENERA 12  USSR 14 SEP  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

12927 81 105E VENERA 13  USSR 30 OCT  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

12938 81 110A VENERA 14  USSR 04 NOV  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

14104 83 053A VENERA 15  USSR 02 JUN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

15432 84 125A VEGA 1   USSR 15 DEC  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

15447 84 125D VEGA 1 DEBRIS  USSR 15 DEC  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

15449 84 128A VEGA 2   USSR 21 DEC  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

15450 84 128B VEGA 2 DEBRIS  USSR 21 DEC  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

15464 85 001A MS-TS  JAPAN 07 JAN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

15465 85 001B MS-TS DEBRIS JAPAN 07 JAN  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

15875 85 056A GIOTTO   ESA  02 JUL  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

15967 85 073A PLANET A JAPAN 18 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

15969 85 073C PLANET A DEBRIS JAPAN 18 AUG  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

19281 88 058A PHOBOS 1  USSR 07 JUL  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

19282 88 058B PHOBOS 1 DEBRIS  USSR 07 JUL  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

19287 88 059A PHOBOS 2  USSR 12 JUL  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

19288 88 059B PHOBOS 2 DEBRIS  USSR 12 JUL  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT

20842 90 090B ULYSSES    US  06 OCT  HELIOCENTRIC ORBIT


Ephemerides on newly discovered asteroids and comets are posted weekly

in sci.astro.

--

     jcj@tellabs.com


-----


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From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)

Subject: Re: Bill Cooper

Date: 26 Nov 91 23:32:00 GMT



 JS> Shot Kennedy" theory. Even more interestingly, though, he is now

 JS> backpedaling on the aliens bit, saying that its all a ruse by the

 JS> government to get us to unite behind the New World Order. 


Guess he likes to watch old 'Outer Limtis' reruns with Robert Culp in

them.


 JS> Interestingly, the caller told Cooper, "By the way, Vicki Cooper and

 JS> Lars Hanson said `Hi', and to tell you that you are still the biggest

 JS> liar in the world." 


Luckily, the moderator let that go by without using the delay-dump

button.  haha.


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From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)

Subject: Re: Omni Comments

Date: 26 Nov 91 23:32:00 GMT


In a message from Peggy Noonan to Steve Rose, it was revealed:

 PN> 

 PN> Thanks for your reply.  Well, you raise a good point because I

 PN> thought that the "offset" quote from a debunking skeptic did sort of

 PN> achieve what you've described but obviously a lot of other people --

 PN> correction, some other people -- think that there's no debunking at

 PN> all but that unsupported stories are presented as fact without any

 PN> criticism.


How could they not make the connection!?  I know that these 'news items'

in the old 'Anti-Matter' were presented without judgmental references to

their validity...but one could CLEARLY see the offset of each UFO or

psychic presentation.  It would typically start out with the WHO WHAT

WHERE aspects...but before every column was finished you would get the,

"But Professor Whackenhut from the Kiss My Core Institute disagrees,

saying...".  It was clearly a debunking effort on every occasion.  Yet, I

assuuuuuuumed that this was normal for Omni, who at the time was

presenting itself as more of a commercialized scientific magazine for

us lay people.  In that light, I thought they were trying to cast any

reported paranormal activities in a less than believable light...because

of the unscientific nature of those claims.


 PN> (by the way, it's black pages now instead of red) still asks


Hmmph.  I can recall the days of Silver or Gold Continuum pages on a

doubly-thick issue.   Price of paper and ink that high?    ;-)


 PN> for "offset quotes" from reputable people who disagree with the claims

 PN> of the interviewee or story.  It's not a full debunking because it

 PN> doesn't take apart the whole story, but it does offset the claim.  The

 PN> reader then can take either side he feels is more persuasive.


Yeah...but the trouble with simply saying that a 'Professor Whackenhut

disbelieves the report' is simply that his statement is judged on the

merits of his title or experience with *like* phenomena.  Such an offset

offers little if any conter-evidence, and the reader is left feeling

cheated because there was NO support for any debunking.  One would

simply get a "We see these nuts cases all day long" white-wash.


 PN> In fact, the question you raised is something people here have

 PN> suggested be added to OMNI -- a feature in which at least one story

 PN> would be taken apart by a skeptic, point by point. 


Alright!  Now there's some meat on dem bones.  :)


 PN> Of course you know what the magazine's answer to your question

 PN> would be:  buy OMNI and see! <g> Thanks for adding your comments


Well, after my ten year subscription run ended, I found little incentive

to return.  Guess my computering and work kept that from happening. ;-)




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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)

Subject: Author

Date: 27 Nov 91 15:00:00 GMT



 * Replying to a message originally to Linda Bird

 DE> Linda Bird;

 DE> 

 DE>  > What can you tell me about an author named Keith Thompson?  I saw a book

 DE>  > of his called Angels and Aliens."  I can't recall who he is and he is

 DE>  > not an author that all of us have mentioned before (to my knowledge).

 DE>  > Is he reliable?  reputable?  a crackpot?

 DE> 

 DE> Linda, I will be meeting Keith on the Larry King Live show

 DE> on CNN on November 22nd. You can make your mind up about it then.......

 DE> 

 DE> Don


 Don; saw your show, as usual you did a good job. Maybe a bit 

on the conservative side but all and all a jolly good show. I 

thoyght Keith was out in left field and wrote the book to make a 

buck. I don't think he did that much research or his position would 

be different. 

   You will have a letter forth coming that you might be interested 

in. It is not UFO related but deals in the subject we discussed a 

couple of weeks ago on the phone about a certain individual and his 

claims. 73'S    ---JIM---

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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)

Subject: Belgian UFO

Date: 28 Nov 91 08:18:01 GMT



 > The following report has been provided by Jean Manfroid of the Liege


  *Very* interesting. Note that the "object" filmed over Mexico City during

last summer's eclipse that Wendelle Stevens was so excited about also appears

to have been Venus.


                                           jbh


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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)

Subject: Gulf Breeze Sentinel buy-out

Date: 28 Nov 91 08:25:02 GMT



  The Gulf Breeze Sentinel was purchased  by Gannett from Duane Cook. The

purchase was announced in the Sentinel a couple of weeks ago.

  Gannett also publishes the Pensacola News-Journal, which has frequently taken

the Ed Walters case to task.

  I understand that the purchasers were badgering Cook to sell, so finally he

named an exorbitant price. They said yes, so he got to thinking about it and

raised his price, and the purchasers then agreed to that.

  So Cook is not associated with the Sentinal any more.

  Lest anyone automatically read anything sinister into the purchase, that's

simply the way Gannett operates. They buy up the competition. Plus, daily

circulation is declining while community weekly circulation is increasing, so

they're covering all the bases.

  The Sentinel is now filled with handout Health articles and big Homes Tour

articles; not a peep about ufos except that they published a letter from Don

Ware which expressed his concern.

  Another local weekly, The Islander, apparently is now publishing ufo stories.

I haven't found out where exactly it's published or who publishes it yet, but I

will and I'll probably subscribe to it.


                                           jbh


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From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)

Subject: Mysterises Flugobject rast auf die Erde zu...

Date: 23 Nov 91 19:47:00 GMT


Hallo Clark!

I've read the following article from a Berlin newspaper.

Sorry, for the bad format, it's the input from a handy scanner and ocr-soft.

I hope sombody can translate it for me.


*****begin******

BM/SAD Los Angeles 20.  Nov.

Eine       unheimlche     Begegnung

der        deitten Art

steht   den Menschen im  naechsten Monat bevor.

Ein Mysterioeses       Flugobjekt aus

dem    All  kommt   auf die Erde zu.

Zur Zeit ist es noch 1,9 Millionen

Kilometer von uns entfernt.  Sei-

nem Kurs nach wird es relativ na-

he an unserein Planeten  vorbeiflie-

gen.

  "Wir wissen nicht was es ist",

sagt Brian Marsden, der Direktor

des Zentralbueros      "International

Astronimical Union"  in Cam-

bridge/      Massachusetts.  "Vielleicht

wissen es die Millitaers und ver-

schweigen es.Ansonsten weiB

niemand, was es ist.  Das unbekannte Flugobjekt wird nach Be-

rechnungen    amerikanischer     Wis-

senschaftler in der  Nacht  zum 5.

Dezember an der Erde vorbeifliegen

Nach, bisherigen Erkenntnissen

ist es etwa elf Meter breit.  Am

5.  November  hatte  der  Astrono

James Scotti von  der  University

of Arizona das  mysterioese  Objekt

entdeckt.

Steve  Ostro  vom   Nasa-Labor

Pasadena sagt  dazu: "Es  ist  einer

der kleinsten Asteroiden, die  je-

mals entdeckt wurden   - wenn es

ein Asteroid ist..."   Paul Chodas

von  der  Nasa  in  Pasadena   meint

ebenfalls, das Objekt  koenne  ein

Asteroid  sein.  Moeglicherweise  ist

es jedoch auch eine    Apollo-Rake-

te, die vor 20 Jahren  ins  All  geschossen wurde.

 Theoretisch kann das Ufo  eine

Apollorakete sein.

Denn  einige  der

Antriebsraketen fuer die Raumkapseln wurden zwischen

1968 und 1972 am Mond vorbeigeschossen.


Sie verlieBen das Schwehrkraftfeld der Erde und traten in  eine  Um-

laufbahn um die Sonne ein.

Der  meiste  Raumfahrtschrott  be-

findet sich in  einer  Umlaufbahn

um die Erde.  Das mysterioese  Ob-

jekt hingegen  fliegt um die Sonne.

Seine Bahn ist weitlaeufiger  und

elliptischer   als die der Erde.  Daher

tipppen Wissenschaftler darauf,

daB es sich um ein Raumschiff handelt.

 Keiner   der  Asteroiden,

die bisher der Erde nahegekommen sind,

haben eine derartige Umlaufbahn gehabt.

 Sollte es ein

Asteroid sein, handelt es  sich  um

einen bisher  unbekannten  Typ.

Gelegentlich stoBen Steroiden   mit der ERde zusammen.

So gibt es wissenschaftliche Theorien, nach

denen ein massiver  Asteroidenein-

schlag  einst  eine   Klimaveraende-

rung  ausgeloest  hat, durh  die  die

Dinosaurier ausstarben.

 Das  mysterioese   Flugobjekt   wird

unseren   Planeten   in   einem   Ab-

stand von  500  000  Kilometern  pas-

sieren.  Nach  astronomischen   Kate-

gorien   bedeutet   das:   "Zusammen-

stoB knapp verfehlt"'.  Vielleicht ist

es ein Asteroid, vielleicht  Apollo-

Schrott.  Fuer   Menschen   mit   viel

Phantasie  koennten  es  auch   kosmi-

sche   Zwerge   auf   Erkundungsreise

sein.  Joerg  Strey

*******end********


cheers

   Andre


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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)

Subject: Omni ONLINE

Date: 29 Nov 91 18:45:00 GMT


>  I just suggested Fido since it would have the widest

>potential circulation. Here on ParaNet would be good too, if Mike's willing.

>  Otherwise......  Maybe they could just appoint (and pay, maybe) someone to

>participate in the various echos on behalf of the magazine.

>That'd be workable as long as that participation didn't get too commercial.

>  I just don't think there'd be enough participation to cover

>the costs of a pay service. Right now on issuesforum's ufo

        

Good thought, John, about ParaNet, if Mike is willing, as you say, 

and also the participation idea is attractive to yours truly.  I'll 

pass this along and see if there are any nibbles.  Sure would be 

nice, wouldn't it!  Like a chocoholic being subsidized for testing 

Valentine candy boxes! ;-)

        Of course, if their idea was that "callers" (for lack of a 

better term at the moment) would be able to get answers to questions 

about previously published or in-progress stories in the magazine, 

then there'd be an inevitable delay while the "participant" (again 

for lack of a better term -- the Omni rep online in the FidoNet or 

ParaNet echoes) checked back with the main office and got the 

answers to the questions, then relayed them to the network.  It'd be 

more efficient if they could arrange it in-house, where they already 

have access to all the materials, seems to me... but, on second 

thought, there'd still be some delay time for research anyway, 

wouldn't there, so maybe it wouldn't make that much difference after 

all.  I like this idea better and better!

        About the pay service participation, I was surprised to find 

when I went back to CIS this week after an absence and checked the 

UFO portion of IssuesForum that there were so few messages.  Where'd 

everybody go?  It was pretty lively there for a while -- to the 

point that responding to messages was costing me a bunch but was 

also stretching the old brain cells into new and more flexible 

shapes -- but now there are tumbleweeds blowing down the main 

street and ghosts peeking out of the windows.  Strange!  Is this a 

holiday-related thing, do you think, where people get busy over the 

holiday season and drop out for a while but come back later?  If so, 

maybe they'll return; if not, could be serious.

        Have you been doing this -- the UFO boards -- long enough to 

note any kind of seasonal variation in participation?  That could 

make a difference to OMNI's scheduling plans, if they should go 

ahead with this idea.  You wouldn't want to launch when nobody's 

home!

                                        ==Peggy==

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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)

Subject: Re: Omni Comments

Date: 29 Nov 91 19:09:00 GMT


>Yeah...but the trouble with simply saying that a 'Professor Whackenhut

>disbelieves the report' is simply that his statement is judged on the

>merits of his title or experience with *like* phenomena.  Such an offset

>offers little if any conter-evidence, and the reader is left feeling

>cheated because there was NO support for any debunking.  One would

>simply get a "We see these nuts cases all day long" white-wash.

        

You make a good point about the format of the offset quote (in fact, 

you make many good points but I won't address each as time is short 

today), and the judging Prof. Wackenhut's comments on his 

title or experience with similar topics.  I don't know how other 

writers do it, but I try to get a quote which will give a specific 

reason for disbelief, something like (example only, not literally:)

        "I found Paran Ormal's conclusions to be completely 

        unsubstantiated because he says that these objects are

        linked to the time of King Solomon by their Semitic alphabet

        when in fact that alphabet he uses in his example was not 

        used by those people at that time..."

Or

        "The claim that Bigfoot was sighted and shot north of the

        Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco shortly after World War

        II is completely incredible because the military unit that

        supposedly was involved in the shooting was not stationed 

        there at that time.

You get the idea...

        But, there are other considerations editors must take into 

account...space available, importance of the response relative to 

the punchiest parts of the story, and a bunch of other complicated 

stuff that separates the editors from us lowly writers <grin> so 

maybe the writer originally included something that got cut in the 

process of putting the thing into print.

        If they *could* go to that column idea we talked about, with 

a point-by-point critique of one story per issue, then at least one 

Prof Wackenhut would have his say.  (Imagine how disappointed the 

Wackenhuts of the world must be, too, when they've given a really 

good and incisive rebuttal only to see it end up on the cutting room 

floor.)

        I'll relay your latest comments, too.  They're very good.

        Thanks!

                                        ==Peggy==

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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)

Subject: To Mike Corbin

Date: 30 Nov 91 04:45:00 GMT



 > I have tried off and on to send you computer mail for

 > a couple months and they don't get there apparently.

 > Could you mail me your US mail address and I'll send

 > you a letter?


You can also send me e-mail to mcorbin@teal.csn.org, or you can write me at:


P.O. Box 172

Wheat Ridge, CO  80034-0172


Mike


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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)

Subject: Gulg Breeze Gifs.

Date: 30 Nov 91 04:46:00 GMT



 > From: Robert Trevelyan <rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>


 >         Thanks for the offer but I am not sure if/how I could

 >         request the files from here as we only have a pickup/dropoff

 >         mail service. Can you explain to how I would go about

 >         requesting theses files. Thanks again for the offer.


If you can uudecode them, I will netmail them to you Robert.


Let me know.


Mike


P.S.  Send your reply to me at mcorbin@csn.org.


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