Computer Privacy Digest Thu, 04 Nov 93

 Date:       Thu, 04 Nov 93 16:46:51 EST

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Subject:    Computer Privacy Digest V3#070

Computer Privacy Digest Thu, 04 Nov 93              Volume 3 : Issue: 070

Today's Topics: Moderator: Dennis G. Rears

                        Request For New Moderator

                          Re: Finding someone

                 Re: California Driver License and SSN

                         Re: Electronic Checks

                   Re: SSN required to renew Cal. DL

                       Re: SSN required to renew

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Date:     Thu, 4 Nov 93 16:42:41 EST

From:     "Dennis G. Rears" <drears@pica.army.mil>

Subject:  Request For New Moderator

   I am actively seek a volunteer to take over as editor of the Computer

Privacy Digest ( Moderator of comp.society.privacy).  This person would

also handle the maillist administration.  The maillist currently has

about 600 addresses on it.  

   The primary reason I want to give up moderation is lack of time.  I

will not give it up until a suitable volunteer is found.  Please let me

know if you can take this over.

dennis

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Newsgroups: alt.privacy,comp.society.privacy,misc.legal

From: Phil Smith <smith@ncoast.org>

Subject: Re: Finding someone

Reply-To: Phil Smith <smith@ncoast.org>

Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 14:40:12 GMT

Followup-To: alt.privacy

As quoted from <comp-privacy3.62.3@pica.army.mil> by Dark

 <unicorn@access.digex.net>:

+---------------

| In article <comp-privacy3.61.4@pica.army.mil>,

| Bob Sherman  <bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu> wrote:

| >

| >This is easier said than done. Yes, the SSA will do as you described, but

| >the key here is your "last known address". In reality, The average person

| >never contacts the SSA from the time they first get the card, until it is

| >time to collect some sort of benifit. That can be anywhere from 45-63

| >years. A last known address that is 40 years or more old does not really

| >offer much help..

| >

Wouldn't the "last known address" be that which was supplied

by whomever paid to SSA your FICA?

--

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 10:51 PST

From: John Higdon <john@zygot.ati.com>

Reply-To: John Higdon <john@zygot.ati.com>

Organization: Green Hills and Cows

Subject: Re: California Driver License and SSN

"Dennis G. Rears" <drears@pica.army.mil> writes:

>   So catching a few deadbeat dads is worth requiring SSN on licenses?

> The purpose of driver licenses is to assure minimal compentency of the

> driver.

The idea that the state can require anything it likes for a "non-right"

such as driving (and no one seems to care) is further manifestation of

the growing attitude that productive people need to be penalized. Not

long ago, the city of San Francisco proposed that thumbprints be used

to prevent welfare cheating. The uproar from various advocacy groups

was deafening.

In California, use of a car is almost essential to be productive. But

to drive, one has to be mugged, fingerprinted, and he now has to give

up his SSN. Where have the protests been? There have been none: driving

is not a right. But you will also observe California legislators have

been very careful to not pass any kind of insurance requirement law

that has any teeth. Why? Because that would prevent insurance-less

deadbeats from driving and everyone knows that you really do need a car

to get by.

In California, it is politically acceptable to make producers jump

through hoops, give up their privacy and tax them up to their eyes. But

so much as ask a welfare recipient for positive identification, and you

have just opened Pandora's box.

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 16:39 GMT

From: Christopher Zguris <0004854540@mcimail.com>

Subject: Re: Electronic Checks

In Computer Privacy Digest V3#069 Amit Zavery <az24+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>>

Hi,

Does anyone know about any banks providing facilities for electronic

checks? I remember watching something on CNN which mentioned this. But I

did not get to watch the whole show.

I am trying to find out about the type of security they use and how good it

is.

I would also like to know what features they have available.

Thanks in advance

--amit

<<<

  Manufacturers Hanover Trust (now Chemical Bank) offers this service. For a

monthly fee, you get a software package that connects to the bank and your

accounts. You can transfer funds, and make electronic payments. As I

remember, there is a list of payee's in their computer that can take

electronic payments (EFT maybe?), other ones would have a check mailed to

them.

  A business I work with receives checks from various customers that are

sent from Citibank, they are computer-printed checks and are obviously from

a similar system. I don't know anything about the Citibank system.

Christopher Zguris

CZGURIS@MCIMAIL.COM

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Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy

From: "Paul J. Bell" <pjb@23kgroup.com>

Subject: Re: SSN required to renew Cal. DL

Organization: The 23K Group, Inc.

Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 03:35:24 GMT

In article <comp-privacy3.68.5@pica.army.mil>, "Glenn S. Tenney" <tenney@netcom.com> writes:

|> At  3:48 PM 10/30/93 -0500, "Thomas J. Merritt" <tjm@netcom.com> wrote:

|> >As of January 1, 1993 the State of California requires a social security

|> >number in order to renew a drivers license.

|> > ...  It seem that the Privacy Act of 1974 was meant

|> >to discourage goverment agencies from using SSNs in record keeping

|> >systems.  Why does California now see a need, nearly 20 years after the

|> >passage of the Privacy Act, to start collecting SSNs?  Is the primary

|> >use of the SSN n Cal. drivers license records for law enforcement?  If

|> >so is this a case of being presumed guilty of a future crime?

|> 

|> This change was because of Becky Morgan (as I recall) who authored a state

|> bill to use SSN's for tracking "dead-beat-dads" (parents who owe child

|> support payments).  The drivers' license info is then shared (SSN) with

|> other state and federal agencies to find out who owes back child support,

|> and where they are.

|> 

|> Many of us think that this stinks beyond all belief, but it has not yet

|> been challenged (to the best of my knowledge).  The Feds changed the

|> privacy act to specifically allow SSNs for drivers licenses -- actually,

|> the Feds now require SSNs for commercial drivers licenses, I'm told.

|> 

|> If anyone knows a state that positively does NOT require SSN, I'd like to

|> know...  I hacked the 1 January 1993 changeover by renewing my license two

|> years early, so I have until 1996 to find a way around this.

new york does not require ssn's for drivers licenses. 

they ask for it but if you say no, they use some other number.

cheers,

paul

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From: Duncan Frissell <frissell@panix.com>

Newsgroups: comp.society.privacy

Subject: Re: SSN required to renew

Date: 4 Nov 1993 14:28:14 -0500

Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC

T >If anyone knows a state that positively does NOT require SSN, I'd 

T >like to

T >know...  I hacked the 1 January 1993 changeover by renewing my 

T >license two

T >years early, so I have until 1996 to find a way around this.

The "State" of Bitish Columbia certainly doesn't.  <G>

Likewise, the UK, France, Tanzania, the Faroe Islands or other places that 

issue driver's licenses that can still be used to operate vehicles on 

California highways.

Duncan Frissell

P.S. I heard a rumor that California was banning operation of out-of-state 

vehicles that had no auto insurance even if they were driven by genuine 

tourists.  People from Wisconsin, say.  Anyone know if this is true.

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