UFO/Alien message board part 9
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Subject: Re: La, la, la...
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Date: 18 Mar 92 05:23:56 GMT
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In article <1992Mar17.171552.7784@athena.cs.uga.edu> david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
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>Subject: Re: La, la, la...
>Summary: still going...
>Expires:
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>And then in <1992Mar17.001338.21368@cs.odu.edu>, dise@nightshade.cs.odu.edu (Daniel Dise) said...
>% In article <16MAR199213451607@vax.cc.williams.edu> 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>% >In article <1992Mar16.090405.27432@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>, wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes...
>% >>In article <1992Mar16.061600.13768@athena.cs.uga.edu> david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>% >>>And then in <15MAR199222515665@vax.cc.williams.edu>, 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) said...
>% >>>% In article <92075.161912U37460@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>% >>>% >In article <1992Mar15.075333.9278@cunews.carleton.ca>, wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca
>% >>>% >(Tom Hamill) says:
>% >>>% >>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>% >>>% >>>In article pdevans@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul D Evans) writes:
>% >>>% >>>>In article colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
>% >>>% >>>>> In article entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>% >>>% >>>>> >In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>% >>>% >>>>>
>% >>>% >>>>> >> GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT .SIGNATURE VIRUSES ARE PASSE.
>% >>>% >>>>>
>% >>>% >>>>> >They will just mutate to get around it!
>% >>>% >>>>>
>% >>>% >>>>> >Evolution is god!
>% >>>% >>>>> Sanitation is fraud:
>% >>>% >>>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>% >>>% >>>Santa Claus baits God.
>% >>>% >>>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
>% >>>% >>Satin draws mates bod.
>% >>>% >I sat in Ward's tame knob.
>% >>>% I set a weird time bomb.
>% >>>I shed a weird tie, Bob...
>% >>I shot a wet teen babe.
>% >Izod's a wasp trend, Biff.
>% I drove off a west end cliff
>I rode to arrest a lift.
I strove to compress a zit.
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From: elung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Beth Lung)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.newage,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Creating Peace On Earth by 2000 !
Keywords: Peace Clock
Message-ID: <1992Mar18.024642.23904@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: 18 Mar 92 07:46:34 GMT
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In article <29C66295.13101@orion.oac.uci.edu> cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
In article <1992Mar16.224926.5133@tc.fluke.COM> emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes:
John>Please share what you are referring to, Janis.
Janis>Oh, how about "In pain shall you bring forth children. You shall remain
Janis>in subjugation to your husband all your life, but your wishes shall be
Janis>for him."
Janis>How about when Lot sent his two virgin daughters out into a ravening mob
Janis>of men so they would stop beating down his door?
Janis>How about "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live?"
Janis>How about "And the men of the city shall stone her with stones?"
Perhapse, John, you might care to read _The Challis and the Blade_
(unfortunatly I cannot remember the author's name right now) I think
it would provide you with some more -enlightening- examples.
May you walk in peace,
Beth
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we destroy her, we destroy ourselves? -Paul Bigelow Sears
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From: dyett@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Donald Yett)
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Subject: Re: The Talmud as Given by Judas Iscariot
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In reply to Mr. Sheaffer's post of a ton of stuff he pruned of the newsgroup over the past week or so...
DON'T WASTE MY BANDWIDTH!!! Yes, Meier's pictures could have been hoaxed... Yes, if he was set up, he was set up well...
Let's move on to other things... Posting all those recent articles cat'd together was annoying!
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Re: Q&a On Extraterrestrial Abductions And Visitations
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>Wake up, The universe is to big, and the distances to great for
>aliens to
>travel back and forth, that is from the Earth back to where
>ever. So no
>aliens have probably come to Earth, although it is almost
>definite that
>life must exist elsewhere. And as for channeling, lets not
>drag mystical
>make believe into the endeavors of science. Maybe some aliens
>have come
>here, but why or how we may never know, but do you really
>expect people to
>believe some mystical entity is communicating with you ? Who
>are you
>Buckaroo Bonzi ?
I applaud you on your desire to keep things in a scientific perspective
where this research is concerned, but I must say that without at
least pondering the possibility that someone may be coming here covering
vast distances, possessing technology that is "alien" to us, you are
narrowing your mind to the point that if a discovery of this technology is
possible it may elude you.
Mike
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From: jstreidl@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
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Subject: straight A's
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Do you want to get STRAIGHT A'S in college? If so, E-mail your
address to me so I can send you information.
jstreidl@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
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From: me@grmbl.saar.sub.org (Martin Emmerich)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Circles in the fields
Message-ID: <1992Mar17.150628.8306@grmbl.saar.sub.org>
Date: 17 Mar 92 15:06:28 GMT
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In <1992Mar13.184601.946@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@engws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
> 6) Numerous crop circles have appeared all over the world,
> concentrating on rural areas. All circles have the same traits as
> far as the soil is concerned. In some cases grass dies. This
> is evidence that there are few hoaxes. If all crop circles are
> hoaxes, then the perpetrator would have to:
If all crop circles are faked, they are faked by someone who has ...
> e) Have the intent of fooling people on a huge, massive
> scale
... a lot of humor, ...
> g) Have the ability to plan designs that are complicated
> to design from the ground by humans...humans would make
> mistakes. Some crop circles have four circles of identicle
> sizes. Some have toruses. Some are symmetrical. Humans
> would make mistakes unless all parts were marked out by
> corner posts, line markings, etc.
... and a very good feeling for aesthetics.
Many composistions I have seen up to now are placed in sort of
context to their environment.
I like the crop circles. If they are man-made by intent, they
are produced by a great artist. If not, I like them anyway.
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From: beyo@beyonet.UUCP (Steve Urich)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Talmud as Given by Judas Iscariot
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Date: 18 Mar 92 01:19:51 GMT
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In article <sa9h-mjsheaffer@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>In article <312@beyonet.UUCP> beyo@beyonet.UUCP (Steve Urich) writes:
>>
>>?>So tell us oh learned and wise Govt agent Shaeffer..just HOW did Billy "hoax"
>>?>the Pleiadian craft?
>>
>> Thats what I would like to know... All these so called professional
>>video technowizards with there whinning about being a hoax. Proof it!
>>I know! Billy is really `The Lawnmower Man' and he did it all in Virtual
>>Reality. :-))) Really!!! Its all `Virtual Reality' on Film. Mind over matter
>>thats why you couldn't see any fishing line :-).
>>
>
> Somebody posted this here recently. It may answer your question.
>Subject: Eduard "billy" Meier - Photo Evidence
Yea I read the whinning about the review of the `Book' pictures of
the Pleiadian UFO not having the right color and so on. That like
reviewing the color cordination of a comicbook. Whinning about
how spidermans spidy suit is purple instead of red on page 20. It
a hoax comic this isn't the real spidy :-).
Any so called professional video technowizard that trys to debunk
photographs in a book is not a very bright boy. Also the people that
that would read this and presume that its a proven fact, are in the
same catagory. I believe photos are much easier to to make `Impure'
then some kind of video technique.
So we are back to the same question. Nobody seems to know exactly
how Billy "The Lawnmover Man" Meier did the hoaxed UFO film.
Why didn't Billy just admit that is was a hoax after he got snagged?
Most guilty criminals admit to the crime after proven that they
did it. Could you honestly say that Billy could be convicted in
a court of law for hoaxing the UFO film? Is there enough evidence
and proof to convict him or just alot of whinning by a hoard of
debunkers that are so called professionals.
If I was him and he did hoax the film, I would say well I admit I
hoaxed the whole thing but nobody knows how I did it :-).
Steve
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From: tola@jyu.fi (Teemu Olavi Lahteenmaki)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Q&A on Extraterrestrial Abductions and Visitations
Message-ID: <1992Mar18.121516.18421@jyu.fi>
Date: 18 Mar 92 12:15:16 GMT
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>In article <1992Mar16.162723.26408@pellns.alleg.edu>, boltj@reis53.alleg.edu (Jennifer Bolt) writes...
>>Wake up, The universe is to big, and the distances to great for aliens to
>>travel back and forth, that is from the Earth back to where ever.
Depends on whether you rely on these Einstein's stuff or not !
>
> What do they say about "assume"?
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From: fsb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Frank Stuart Brown)
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Subject: The dyslexic insomniac UFO spotter
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HE STAYED UP ALL NIGHT WONDERING IF THERE REALLY WAS A DOG
!!!!!!!
OTCIN ADARAB OTCIN
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From: boltj@reis2.alleg.edu (Jennifer Bolt)
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Subject: Alien Visitation and Personal Views
Keywords: alien
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In my last post I doubted the presence of aliens on the grounds of
relativity. While I myself proscribe to relativity, I agree it is
possible that someday it may be found that one can "warp" time and space
for travel accomidations, but I don't think so. But what I really don't
believe in is channeling. It has no scientific basis, and think of how
easy it would be for anyone to write a similar book. I'm sure we've all
had imaginary friends at on time or another, but I guess some people never
grow out of them. I openly welcome any scientific inquest into anything,
but when your reliable source is the invisible man, take up astrology,
not astronomy.
Jen
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From: umrutko0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chris Rutkowski)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Circles in the fields
Message-ID: <1992Mar18.155815.15783@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Date: 18 Mar 92 15:58:15 GMT
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In <1992Mar18.000805.27870@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> s914370@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (David Morrison) writes:
>But one thing that WAS brought up which I haven't mentioned was that some
>scientists had been analysing the crystaline structure of the crop found in
>the circle. (They said its a method which can show what could be considered the
>life energy - but thats not important). The important thing is, there WAS a
>different crystaline structure to those crop found in the circles. So what does
>this mean? You can't try and reporduce an 'original' with a plank of wood and
>some string etc. Cos thats NOT going to change the crstaline structure of that
>crop.
> My rough interpretation says : There is some form of energy involved in the
>production of real crop circles. Whether this is natural or artificially
>induced is another question.
Have you ever seen the actual reports which describe this =crystalline
structure=? Neither have most people. The same people who claim such
structure also claim that circles are radioactive, and THAT has been
shown to not be true. We should not base our interpretations on
CLAIMS, but on EVIDENCE. I would like to have a group of plant
pathologists look at the Levengood cell structure data (I wouldn't mind
seeing the actual data, myself!), and then think about =energy= in
circles.
>David
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From: 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard)
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Subject: Re: La, la, la...
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In article <1992Mar17.194614.26095@cunews.carleton.ca>, wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes...
>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>And then in dise@nightshade.cs.odu.edu (Daniel Dise) said...
>>% In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>% >In article wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes...
>>% >>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>% >>>And then in 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) said...
>>% >>>% In article <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>>% >>>% >In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) says:
>>% >>>% >>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>% >>>% >>>In article pdevans@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul D Evans) writes:
>>% >>>% >>>>In article colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
>>% >>>% >>>>> In article entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>% >>>% >>>>> >In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>% >>>% >>>>> >> GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT .SIGNATURE VIRUSES ARE PASSE.
>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>% >>>% >>>>> >They will just mutate to get around it!
>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>% >>>% >>>>> >Evolution is god!
>>% >>>% >>>>> Sanitation is fraud:
>>% >>>% >>>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>>% >>>% >>>Santa Claus baits God.
>>% >>>% >>>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
>>% >>>% >>Satin draws mates bod.
>>% >>>% >I sat in Ward's tame knob.
>>% >>>% I set a weird time bomb.
>>% >>>I shed a weird tie, Bob...
>>% >>I shot a wet teen babe.
>>% >Izod's a wasp trend, Biff.
>>% I drove off a west end cliff
>>I rode to arrest a lift.
>Electrodes tie my wrists.
Erode the Mai Tai wisps.
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From: beyo@beyonet.UUCP (Steve Urich)
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Subject: Re: The Talmud as Given by Judas Iscariot
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dyett@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Donald Yett) writes:
>In reply to Mr. Sheaffer's post of a ton of stuff he pruned of the newsgroup over the past week or so...
>
>DON'T WASTE MY BANDWIDTH!!! Yes, Meier's pictures could have been hoaxed... Yes, if he was set up, he was set up well...
>Let's move on to other things... Posting all those recent articles cat'd together was annoying!
Somehow I had a feeling that someone would complain. :-) I agree...
Isn't if funny how some people believe other peoples opinions over
those they are judging? Because some of those articles were
about pictures in a 'book' I decided not to reply on such worthless
secondary reviews. Since these reviews would only judge the quality
if the company printing the pictures not the original. My he thought
I didn't recieve this wonderful information. :-)
Steve
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In article <1992Mar17.194614.26095@cunews.carleton.ca>, wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes...
>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>And then in dise@nightshade.cs.odu.edu (Daniel Dise) said...
>>% In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>% >In article wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes...
>>% >>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>% >>>And then in 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) said...
>>% >>>% In article <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>>% >>>% >In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) says:
>>% >>>% >>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>% >>>% >>>In article pdevans@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul D Evans) writes:
>>% >>>% >>>>In article colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
>>% >>>% >>>>> In article entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>% >>>% >>>>> >In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>% >>>% >>>>> >> GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT .SIGNATURE VIRUSES ARE PASSE.
>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>% >>>% >>>>> >They will just mutate to get around it!
>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>% >>>% >>>>> >Evolution is god!
>>% >>>% >>>>> Sanitation is fraud:
>>% >>>% >>>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>>% >>>% >>>Santa Claus baits God.
>>% >>>% >>>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
>>% >>>% >>Satin draws mates bod.
>>% >>>% >I sat in Ward's tame knob.
>>% >>>% I set a weird time bomb.
>>% >>>I shed a weird tie, Bob...
>>% >>I shot a wet teen babe.
>>% >Izod's a wasp trend, Biff.
>>% I drove off a west end cliff
>>I rode to arrest a lift.
>Electrodes tie my wrists.
Erode the Mai Tai wisps.
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From: beyo@beyonet.UUCP (Steve Urich)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Talmud as Given by Judas Iscariot
Message-ID: <314@beyonet.UUCP>
Date: 18 Mar 92 13:22:27 GMT
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dyett@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Donald Yett) writes:
>In reply to Mr. Sheaffer's post of a ton of stuff he pruned of the newsgroup over the past week or so...
>
>DON'T WASTE MY BANDWIDTH!!! Yes, Meier's pictures could have been hoaxed... Yes, if he was set up, he was set up well...
>Let's move on to other things... Posting all those recent articles cat'd together was annoying!
Somehow I had a feeling that someone would complain. :-) I agree...
Isn't if funny how some people believe other peoples opinions over
those they are judging? Because some of those articles were
about pictures in a 'book' I decided not to reply on such worthless
secondary reviews. Since these reviews would only judge the quality
if the company printing the pictures not the original. My he thought
I didn't recieve this wonderful information. :-)
Steve
>
>
>
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Newsgroups: aley will just mutate to get around it!
>>>>% >>>>>
>>>>% >>>>> >Evolution is god!
>>>>% >>>>> Sanitation is fraud:
>>>>% >>>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>>>>% >>>Santa Claus baits God.
>>>>% >>>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
>>>>% >>Satin draws mates bod.
>>>>% >I sat in Ward's tame knob.
>>>>% I set a weird time bomb.
>>>>I shed a weird tie, Bob...
>>>I shot a wet teen babe.
>>Izod's a wasp trend, Biff.
>I saw a rasp tend a skiff!
>
> -Josh
>
>
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>==)-------------- abbey1@husc9.harvard.edu (Josh Abbey)
> "Ashes and diamonds, foe and friend,
> We were all equal in the end." - Pink Floyd
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From: nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Distance
Keywords: Too far?
Message-ID: <1992Mar18.054631.11651@eskimo.celestial.com>
Date: 18 Mar 92 05:46:31 GMT
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I believe that the distances from other star systems is not too great to
be bridged, and that it is likely that aliens have visited us and perhaps are
even doing so in a regular basis.
We know too little about the universe, how it works, to exclude that
possibility. We can't yet unite the forces of nature. Try as we might, we
don't REALLY understand gravity, space, time, or what a vacuum really is.
Oh I believe in time, that understanding will come, but we do not have it,
on a physical level yet, on an intuitive one, I think there are some people
who do.
I say we shouldn't exclude the possibilities before we examine them.
Don't exclude the possibility of intersteller travel, or even intergalactic
travel, until we completely understand the nature of the universe. I do not
believe, that once we have that understanding, such travel will be ruled out.
In 1948, most people, with the exception of a few visionaries, would
have ruled out the possibility of man-made objects in orbit, 20 years later
we have men walking on the moon. I believe all things are possible, but for
those who won't grant me that, at least accept that there are possibilities
beyond what most of us even dream.
As our understanding progresses, I think the likelihood of alien
encounters also increases, both because we'll be "out there" more often, and
because we'll be emotionally more prepared to deal with something foreign to
our way of thinking, it will be a necessary adaptation for our long term
survival. Relatively advanced alien cultures will most likely be aware of
this.
Life is exciting, not knowing what new things await us around the corner!
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From: boltj@reis64.alleg.edu (Jennifer Bolt)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: terraforming
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In article <PX1sHB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com> bmb@bluemoon.rn.com (Bryan
Bankhead) writes:
> I have, for some time, thought that terraforming was a waste of time and
> energy. the energy requirments just for a conversion of mars'
atmosphere
> are in the neiborhood of 10^23 calories. for that energy ;you could
build
> enough O'niel type space colonies to have many times mar's availabe
> surface area. I fail to understand this fascination with living on
> planets. Why climb bacck down into a gravity well after spending so
much
> ingenuity getting out?
>
> This is from
> bmb@bluemoon.rn.com
> who doesn't have their own obnoxious signature yet
While it would require alot of energy to terraform any planet, it is
possible that methods which require little initial energy input, but which
once begun draw energy from natural processes energy efficency could be
achieved. Such as introducing life forms which have been engineered to
harness available energies to convert the atmosphere.
Jen
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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh 'K' Hopkins)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.space
Subject: Re: Mars needs oxygen, Venus has too much.
Keywords: Mars, Venus, Terraforming
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[Various stuff on terraforming Mars and Venus deleted]
There was an interesting article in Analog a while back on the concept
of terraforming Venus. The basic concept was to mine Mercury (with self
replicating machines of course) and shoot massive amounts of material at Venus.
My memory and chemistry are a little weak here, but I'm guessing the author
was trying to react out the carbon in the atmosphere and make limestone or some
thing along those lines. There were several problems, one of which was that
dropping a few teratons of rock on Venus would heat up the atmosphere, the
other significant problem was that you'd have something like 60 atmospheres of
oxygen and not much else. The benefit was that you'd have a nice new planet
to play with, and in the process, you would strip all the 'useless' crust off
Mercury and have access to a large metallic core. Needless to say, the author
wasn't trying to get funding for such a project, he was just tossing the idea
around.
I recommend _The Greening of Mars_ as an easy to read introduction
to the subject for folks who don't want numbers and formulas.
Josh Hopkins
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From: apf042@cck.coventry.ac.uk (ozzy)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.space
Subject: Re: Mars needs oxygen, Venus has too much.
Keywords: Mars, Venus, Terraforming
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Date: 18 Mar 92 23:34:26 GMT
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In article <1992Mar16.211230.5352@regina.cs.uregina.ca> bayko@hercules.uregina.ca (john bayko) writes:
>In article
> <pgf.700504292@nasa15.usl.edu>
> pgf@usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
>writes:
>>fsb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Frank Stuart Brown) writes:
>>
>>Venus will only become habitable if someone makes it so. It would
>>require a lot of energy to remove its atmosphere.
>
> If so, why not put it to good use? It may be interesting to speculate
>on terraforming both Venus and Mars by transferring excess atmosphere from
>one to the other.
Naaaaaah.... this would take up to much time. Get the polar ice caps on
Mars...hook them up to an *ENORMOUS* power supply, and simply have some
sort of filter to the hydrogen. (after all we dont want any nasty explosions)
This way is probably cheaper as fuel for transferring oxygen from one planet
to another is going to be very high
With Venus all you have to do is start a massive chain reaction that frees
oxygen from CO2 produced, although I aint quite sure how to go about this one...
[ lots of groovy stuff deleted ]
ozzy :)
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From: loren@lintilla.llnll.gov (Loren Petrich)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.newage,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Creating Peace On Earth by 2000 !
Keywords: Peace Clock
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Date: 19 Mar 92 02:50:46 GMT
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In article <1992Mar18.024642.23904@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, elung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Beth Lung) writes:
> In article <29C66295.13101@orion.oac.uci.edu> cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
> In article <1992Mar16.224926.5133@tc.fluke.COM> emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes:
> John>Please share what you are referring to, Janis.
> Janis>Oh, how about "In pain shall you bring forth children. You shall remain
> Janis>in subjugation to your husband all your life, but your wishes shall be
> Janis>for him."
> Janis>How about when Lot sent his two virgin daughters out into a ravening mob
> Janis>of men so they would stop beating down his door?
>
> Janis>How about "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live?"
>
> Janis>How about "And the men of the city shall stone her with stones?"
> Perhapse, John, you might care to read _The Challis and the Blade_
> (unfortunatly I cannot remember the author's name right now) I think
> it would provide you with some more -enlightening- examples.
It's _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane Eisler.
Also check out _When God was a Woman_ by Merlin Stone.
I wonder what John Emery thinks about the latter book
especially. I challenged him to come up with a Fundie exploitation of
Goddess-worship.
I have a file full of Biblical embarrassments that I call my
Biblical Satanic Verses, available by e-mail. Here is a sample:
Sexism (it is hard to get a Bible banger on this one, but some of them
vehemently deny being sexist) -- In Genesis 2, Adam and Eve get kicked
out of the Garden of Eden just because Eve was conned into eating that
fruit by a certain mischievous snake. In one of the "Ten Commandments"
(Exodus 20:17, Deuteronomy 5:21), one is not supposed to desire one's
neighbor's land, house, wife, slaves, cattle, donkeys, or anything
else of his. Notice how women are lumped in with the rest of a man's
property. Jesus Christ was rather rude to his mother at Cana. Paul
states that (1 Corinthians 11) women are to be subject to men in the
same way that men are subject to God; that women exist for the sake of
men, and not men for the sake of women; that men are the image and
glory of God, while women are the image and glory of men; and that
women should keep their heads covered to indicate that they are under
their husbands' authority. Women should wear their hair long in order
to cover their heads, while men are to keep their hair short; this is
because men are the image and glory of God, while women are the image
and glory of men. Also, (1 Corinthians 14:34,35) women are to be
silent in church, and should let their husbands instruct them. (1
Timothy 2:11,12) Women are supposed to learn and not teach. (1 Peter
3:1-7) Women should submit to their husbands and should look plain;
they should call their husbands their masters, as Sarah had called
Abraham.
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From: amanda@visix.com (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.pagan,alt.paranormal,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Creating Peace On Earth by 2000 !
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Date: 18 Mar 92 22:41:34 GMT
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emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes:
> But my
> Lord Jesus offers such eternal words, "Peace I leave with you; my peace I
> give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your
> hearts be troubled and do not be afraid."
That's not all he said, though. Take a look at Matthew 10:34-36, for
example ("Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth;
it is not peace I have come to bring, but a sword...").
> Amanda, please share with the readers how your source of peace is found
> in these writings. Of particular interest, what have you found in the
> Quran that brings you peace? And how does it bring you peace?
"And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah;
surely He is the Hearing, the Kknowing." Quran 8:61
"And Allah invites to the abode of peace and guides whom He pleases into
the right path." --Quran 10:25
Feel free to read it. It's a fascinating text, full of subtle humor and
wisdom.
> Amanda, if peace is already in everyone's heart, it sure has a way of
> disguising itself. Look around you. Is the world around you full of
> peace?
Parts of it are indeed....
> Thank you. I pray that He does. And not only I, but yourself and all
> those who are reading, whom He calls out to.
Chuckle. I think you may be jumping to conclusions here :)...
Amanda Walker amanda@visix.com
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From: pullen@cs.washington.edu (Walter D. Pullen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,talk.religion.newage
Subject: ANTAHKARANA: The Star People Connection
Summary: A plan for sharing and growing
Keywords: Antahkarana
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|| A Plan for Sharing and Growing ||
|| ANTAHKARANA, ||
|| THE STAR PEOPLE CONNECTION ||
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In the year of 1984, a group energy concept called Antahkarana
was given to the planet. In the ensuing years many phases of the Star
People Connection have been pursued to the present moment. Now the
plans for expansion are appropriate.
We wish to present the following plan for your consideration. A
headquarters for national growth and development will be located in
Seattle, Washington. We are accepting applications for Coordinators of
other major areas within your state and Network Coordinators in
outlying areas connected to the nearest branch.
The Seattle Branch will serve as a template for the further
expansion to other major cities in neighboring states. Those combined
energies will be designated regions and our plan is to ultimately
connect with each other through the National Headquarters.
The purpose of a branch is to offer the higher, appropriate
energies a focus through which the plan for the further spiritual
development can manifest. Antahkarana is a group of "DO IT" people
whose purpose is to bring forth the energies of the Three Fold Flame.
The Three Fold Flame is represented as that which is focused through
the Heart chakra of Love, Wisdom, and Power.
The aforementioned energies are focused through three identified,
out of body, groups: The Angelic Kingdom, The Masters of the Planetary
Hierarchy, and the Intergalactic Confederation of Space Brotherhood.
These three paths are honored individually although a particular group
or individual may have a particular focus.
The major purpose on the Earth plane is to offer mutual support
to Star People/Light Workers to pursue their individual path of
spiritual growth while cooperating with the Greater Plan of Personal
and Planetary Ascension. Let it be known that we believe this
evolvement is happening throughout the omniverse.
An emphasis is on the development of the Star Person/Light Worker
through cooperation with their greater self and other aspects
sometimes referred to as starseeds or walk-ins. A spirit of
cooperation is to be fostered on all levels and the art of negotiation
with spirit to perform the appropriate bridging between all levels and
dimensions.
The participants in Antahkarana, The Star People connection, are
taught the Top Down View, "A Unifying Perspective of the Visitor
Experience," dealing with discernment of the various energies
contacting the earth plane individuals and groups. The most important
idea is to honor all paths.
A spirit of cooperation with other Light Groups is fostered and
participation in Antahkarana is available to those who resonate with
the aims and purposes as published in the statement of purpose.
The overlying emphasis is on creating a strong spirit of unity
rather than separation. The individual is honored and taught how to
integrate into the grater whole. Bridging on all levels, both vertical
and horizontal, is promoted.
We are seeking Light Workers who have a strong sense of
dedication and commitment to their path with a great sense of the
evolving events happening on the planet and with the aim of assisting
the higher realms to manifest that plan on Earth. The individual is
able to maximize his need for spiritual growth while simultaneously
participating in the greater good for all.
In every sense of the usage, Antahkarana: The Star People
Connection, is about building bridges and coming from the heart. The
original Sanskrit work means "The Bridge" and is the esoteric word for
the bridge between the heart and head and the bridge between Heaven
and Earth.
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ANTAHKARANA is for YOU. It is to assist you in becoming all that
you have chosen to be. We offer you the following opportunities to
experience:
o Something that will bring joy to your spiritual body and expand
awareness of your greater self.
o A challenge for your mental body by assisting you to get a top
down view and a unifying perspective of the mass of material
regarding the visitor experience.
o Fun for your emotional body, support and fellowship. Balance to
your physical body as it enters into its full potential as a
light body/upper dimensional being of divine origin.
o Wonderful opportunities for networking and support with your
individual path through such activities as our "Ambassadors from
the Stars Talent Bank," a newsletter and a monthly networking
conclave potluck.
We have enjoyed meeting you in the past. We send you our love and
goodwill. We hope to see you again. As we close all of our activities
by saying, so also will we close this letter: "In Love we come
together, in Love we serve together, in Love we share together and in
Love we shall come together again."
PEACE, LOVE, AND LIGHT
ARASIA
Coordinator, Antahkarana International
501 N. 36th St., #140, Seattle, WA 98103
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ANTAHKARANA IS:
o For Star People who want to come out of the closet.
o For Star People who want to stand up and be counted.
o For those who want to reach up and reach out.
o For Star People who want to remember their heritage and accept
their destiny.
o A "Do it" group that believes just knowing is not doing.
o A belief that no one is perfect or has to have all the answers
before he/she starts.
o A belief in love, support and fellowship.
o A belief that spirituality can be fun.
So -- If you believe you may also be on "Earth Assignment", come and
check us out! If you are interested in joining a group of Antahkarana
or starting your own branch, or if you have any questions in general,
feel free to contact Arasia at the above address or e-mail me at the
address below. Together, we will bridge between Heaven and Earth!
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|| Walter D "Arbaline" Pullen pullen@lynx.cs.washington.edu ||
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From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Talmud as Given by Judas Iscariot
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It's a blatant, childish fake.
No Judas Iscariot would have written that "Immanuel"
means "the one with godly knowledge". "Immanuel" was
a common given name, the etymology of which was obvious
to Aramaic and Hebrew speakers: "God (is) with us".
It makes as much sense as an English speaker saying:
"Goldsmith" means "the one with the ears of an ass".
And:
3:28 But Jmmanuel answered him
3:31 Consequently they all...
Aramaic, Hebrew, and, for that matter, Arabic, do not
use such conjunctions as "but", "consequently" etc.
to link sentences. They just use "and" throughout.
The style is phoney King James's Bible, adapted by
ignoramuses: "Jacob BEGOT Joseph". "BEGOT"????
At $16 or so, it's far too expensive. The Book of
Mormon is a better read. And cheaper -- I got mine
for 10 cents at a charity fete. Or try the Book of
Urantia. Now THAT is a masterpiece!
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From: Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
Subject: A Message from Psilocybin
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Our opinions in this matter do not rest upon the opinions of others nor upon
anything written instead they rest upon the experience of the mushroom
psilocybin at the 10 mg level; at that level a peculiar phenomenon occurs. It
is the emergence of an l-Thou relationship between the person taking the
psilocybin and the mental state it evokes. Jung calls this "transference" and
it was a necessary condition of early and primitive humanity's relationship to
its gods and demons. The mushroom speaks, and our opinions rest upon what it
tells eloquently of itself in the cool night of the mind:
"I am old, older than thought in your species, which is itself fifty times
older than your history. Though I have been on earth for ages I am from the
stars. My home is no one planet, for many worlds scattered through the shining
disc of the galaxy have conditions which allow my spores an opportunity for
life. The mushroom which you see is the part of my body given to sex thrills
and sun bathing, my true body is a fine network of fibers growing through the
soil. These networks may cover acres and may have far more connections that
the number in a human brain. My mycelial network is nearly immortal only the
sudden toxification of a planet or the explosion of its parent star can wipe
me out. By means impossible to explain because of certain misconceptions in
your model of reality all my mycelial networks in the galaxy are in hyperlight
communication across space and time. The mycelial body is as fragile as a
spider's web but the collective hypermind and memory is a vast historical
archive of the career of evolving intelligence on many worlds in our spiral
star swarm. Space, you see, is a vast ocean to those hardy life forms that
have the ability to reproduce from spores, for spores are covered with the
hardest organic substance known. Across the aeons of time and space drift many
spore-forming life-forms in suspended animation for millions of years until
contact is made with a suitable environment. Few such species are minded, only
myself and my recently evolved near relatives have achieved the
hyper-communication mode and memory capacity that makes us leading members in
the community of galactic intelligence. How the hypercommunication mode
operates is a secret which will not be lightly given to man. But the means
should be obvious: it is the occurrence of psilocybin and psilocin in the
biosynthetic pathways of my living body that opens for me and my symbiots the
vision screens to many worlds. You as an individual and man as a species are
on the brink of the formation of a symbiotic relationship with my genetic
material that will eventually carry humanity and earth into the galactic
mainstream of the higher civilizations.
"Since it is not easy for you to recognize other varieties of intelligence
around you, your most advanced theories of politics and society have advanced
only as far as the notion of collectivism. But beyond the cohesion of the
members of a species into a single social organism there lie richer and even
more baroque evolutionary possibilities. Symbiosis is one of these. Symbiosis
is a relation of mutual dependence and positive benefits for both of the
species involved. Symbiotic relationships between myself and civilized forms
of higher animals have been established many times and in many places
throughout the long ages of my development. These relationships have been
mutually useful; within my memory is the knowledge of hyperlight drive ships
and how to build them. I will trade this knowledge for a free ticket to new
worlds around suns younger and more stable than your own. To secure an eternal
existence down the long river of cosmic time I again and again offer this
agreement to higher beings and thereby have spread throughout the galaxy over
the long millennia. A mycelial network has no organs to move the world, no
hands; but higher animals with manipulative abilities can become partners with
the star knowledge within me and if they act in good faith, return both
themselves and their humble mushroom teacher to the million worlds all
citizens of our starswarm are heir to."
From the book Psilocybin - Magic Mushroom Grower s Guide by O.T. Oss & O.N.
Oeric
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From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.space
Subject: Re: Mars needs oxygen, Venus has too much.
Keywords: Mars, Venus, Terraforming
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Date: 19 Mar 92 06:33:05 GMT
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In article <l6kgbaws@cck.coventry.ac.uk> apf042@cck.coventry.ac.uk (ozzy) writes:
>In article <1992Mar16.211230.5352@regina.cs.uregina.ca> bayko@hercules.uregina.ca (john bayko) writes:
>>In article
>> <pgf.700504292@nasa15.usl.edu>
>> pgf@usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
>>writes:
>>>fsb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Frank Stuart Brown) writes:
>>>
>
>>>Venus will only become habitable if someone makes it so. It would
>>>require a lot of energy to remove its atmosphere.
>>
>> If so, why not put it to good use? It may be interesting to speculate
>>on terraforming both Venus and Mars by transferring excess atmosphere from
>>one to the other.
>
>
>Naaaaaah.... this would take up to much time. Get the polar ice caps on
> Mars...hook them up to an *ENORMOUS* power supply, and simply have some
> sort of filter to the hydrogen. (after all we dont want any nasty explosions)
> This way is probably cheaper as fuel for transferring oxygen from one planet
> to another is going to be very high
The Martian caps are seasonal. There are not gigatons of material, but
rather a thin layer which evaporates in the summer. You will not get as
much out of the caps as you might think.
>With Venus all you have to do is start a massive chain reaction that frees
>oxygen from CO2 produced, although I aint quite sure how to go about this one..
One thing about chain reactions, they tend to be uncontrolled. They go until
one of the reactants are gone. Whatever the results, this seem to result
in another non-equlibrium condition which would seemingly be no closer to
allowing living conitions. And there may be unanticipated side effects.
This may not be as simple as it might seem. But then, things rarely are.
>
>[ lots of groovy stuff deleted ]
>
>
>ozzy :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>ozzy : apf042@uk.ac.cov.cch
>We got positivity cruisin' on a wave, We got every dream recorded loaded up
>and ready to save, feed off that power thats in your dreams, mass total energy
>from things unseen - MaxQ Everything.
Rich
payner@netcom.com
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From: roth@cactus.org (Mark Roth)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.pagan,alt.paranormal,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Creating Peace On Earth by 2000 !
Summary: Here we go again....
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Date: 19 Mar 92 04:42:16 GMT
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John Emery writes a lot of stuff, responding to Amanda responding to him.
I think I tried to post a few days ago about this, but I doubt it got out -
hardware/software changes at work.
John, Fine, JC brings you peace. I've know a few other followers of his that
had that. I've also known a few other folks, who were *not*, who had peace.
All I see is that it sems to depend on the individual, not the belief system.
Were you trying to say, in yct Amanda, that no one ever got peace through
the Quran? Bear in mind that there are probably at least as many Muslims as
Xians inthe world. None of them ever found peace? No buddhists, hindus, or
pagans ever found peace? Sorry. The data contridicts this assertion.
Were you asserting that the internal overrides the external? I see, the old
inheritance vs environment debate. Again, what evidence I've seen supports
*both* as the answer. You don't sit and contemplate your navel: the buddhas
were those that achieved enlightenment, and did not go into it, but hung
around to help the rest of us. You need to work on the external, as well
as the internal world. One without the other don't work.
Now that we've dealt with the, will you please go quote your book at somebody
who'd enjoy it? Please read the newsgroups you're posting to, and *EDIT*THE*
DAMN*THING*! Posting to alt.pagan is on par with posting to soc.religion.
muslim, or judiaism.
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Etymology, n.:
Some early etymological scholars come up with derivations that
were hard for the public to believe. The term "etymology" was formed
from the Latin "etus" ("eaten"), the root "mal" ("bad"), and "logy"
("study of"). It meant "the study of things that are hard to swallow."
-- Mike Kellen
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Talmud as Given by Judas Iscariot
Message-ID: <1992Mar18.200758.7941@bilver.uucp>
Date: 18 Mar 92 20:07:58 GMT
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>
> Thats what I would like to know... All these so called professional
>video technowizards with there whinning about being a hoax. Proof it!
>I know! Billy is really `The Lawnmower Man' and he did it all in Virtual
>Reality. :-))) Really!!! Its all `Virtual Reality' on Film. Mind over matter
>thats why you couldn't see any fishing line :-).
>
>Steve
hehehe.....I suppose that Billy "hoaxed" the Jmmanuel document,Semjase's words
and worked it so as to be shot at too!
Damn realistic VR if ya ask me :-))
Don
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Psi-Tech and alien brain-wave research -- Whats going on at Los Alamos?
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From: mathur@acuson.com (Sarvesh Mathur)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Utah objects
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Did anyone ever get any info on the objects supposedly found
near Ogden, Utah?
the last I heard:
--------------------
In article <ygRFaB1w164w@CtEdge.Mv.COM> djk@CtEdge.Mv.COM (SYSTEM 0PERATOR) writes:
>Hi: Has anyone heard any more on those strange objects that were found
>during a dig at a toxic waste dump in Ogden Utah? Have not heard any
>more on that for weeks.
Very few people have heard anything, me included. Apparently Guy Kirkwood
has photos but hasn't made any copies for anyone. I have a couple of .GIF
files (don't ask me for them, I've only got a 2400 baud connection to the
UUCP network) which contain a rough sketch of one of the objects and a
tracing of some of the writing; these were made from Kirkwood's pictures.
The sketch is completely unrecognizable to me, but others have said it
looks like some sort of drilling machine. The writing looks like Arabic,
and I've heard that some of the letters can be translated but they don't
form any words.
>I am interested because I may be passing through that area in a few
>weeks, and would like to stop by and take a look!
The location is still unknown to me. (It's not Ogden; it was described as
a certain distance away from Ogden, but I'm not sure even that is
accurate.) Peggy Noonan on ParaNet is trying to cover the story for OMNI,
but I don't know how much she knows and she can't say much anyway before
the article is published.
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From: haught@tigger.jvnc.net (Darrell Haught)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Tape from the shuttle
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I was watching ch. 52(New Jersey Network) and on NJ Tonight they had
a UFO investigator named Michael Keller. Has anybody heard of this guy.
He investigates sighting in the Tri State area. Well anyways I remember
somebody mention some tape that leaked out of NASA that has actual
footage of UFO's but NASA claims it is space junk. This guy has the tape
and will show it this weekend. He is giving a talk Fri and Sat. @the
Princeton Ramada on RT.1 free to the pub from 8-1100 pm. I am going to
to call the Ramada just to confirmed what I heard. I will Post my
findings if there is enough people interested.
Darrell
haught@tigger.jvnc.net
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From: shava@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.newage,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: The chalice and the blade (Re: Creating Peace On Earth by 2000 !)
Keywords: Peace Clock
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In article <1992Mar18.024642.23904@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> elung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Beth Lung) writes:
->Perhaps, John, you might care to read _The Challis and the Blade_
->(unfortunatly I cannot remember the author's name right now) I think
->it would provide you with some more -enlightening- examples.
Riane Eisler. I think that's the author's name...
--
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From: hideo@sdf.lonestar.org (David Carter)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Q&A on Extraterrestrial Abductions and Visitations
Keywords: Crap
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Hey Jennifer!
What's wrong with a little channeling?
The entire hit TV series Green Acres was made possible by
channeling the disembodied spirit of some old Martian nobody.
Now THAT'S quality viewing, and there are many wise morals worked
into the plotlines and eerie predictions that PROVE the script
COULD NOT BE THE WORK OF AN EARTHLY ENTITY!!!!!!!
The talking pig, Arnold, was actually the 'conduit' these
messages were channeled through. Arnold was rather tellingly
executed by a Grenedan Guerilla Unit in the late 70's, prompting
President Reagan's (admittedly tardy) retribution.
Just a theory.
David Carter : URANUS: not truly a place
aka Hideo Gump : where the Sun don't shine,
Dallas, Texas USA : but certainly a place where
hideo@sdf.lonestar.org : the Sun shines faintly!
r
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From: baillod@sparky.eecs.umich.edu (Brad Baillod)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: A Message from Psilocybin
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In article <56036@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes:
>Our opinions in this matter do not rest upon the opinions of others nor upon
>anything written instead they rest upon the experience of the mushroom
^^^^^^^^
>psilocybin at the 10 mg level; at that level a peculiar phenomenon occurs. It
^^^^^
Well, I think the authors here mean 10 grams, since the usual dose is about
two grams.
--
Brad Baillod baillod@eecs.umich.edu
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From: nsj@Apple.COM (Neal Johnson)
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Subject: Re: La, la, la...
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Date: 19 Mar 92 16:08:46 GMT
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In article <17MAR199217225741@vax.cc.williams.edu> 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>In article <1992Mar17.194614.26095@cunews.carleton.ca>, wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes...
>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>And then in dise@nightshade.cs.odu.edu (Daniel Dise) said...
>>>% In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>>% >In article wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes...
>>>% >>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>% >>>And then in 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) said...
>>>% >>>% In article <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>>>% >>>% >In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) says:
>>>% >>>% >>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>% >>>% >>>In article pdevans@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul D Evans) writes:
>>>% >>>% >>>>In article colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
>>>% >>>% >>>>> In article entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>>% >>>% >>>>> >In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>>% >>>% >>>>> >> GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT .SIGNATURE VIRUSES ARE PASSE.
>>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>>% >>>% >>>>> >They will just mutate to get around it!
>>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>>% >>>% >>>>> >Evolution is god!
>>>% >>>% >>>>> Sanitation is fraud:
>>>% >>>% >>>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>>>% >>>% >>>Santa Claus baits God.
>>>% >>>% >>>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
>>>% >>>% >>Satin draws mates bod.
>>>% >>>% >I sat in Ward's tame knob.
>>>% >>>% I set a weird time bomb.
>>>% >>>I shed a weird tie, Bob...
>>>% >>I shot a wet teen babe.
>>>% >Izod's a wasp trend, Biff.
>>>% I drove off a west end cliff
>>>I rode to arrest a lift.
>>Electrodes tie my wrists.
>Erode the Mai Tai wisps.
He rode the May Day WASPS.
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From: boltj@reis3.alleg.edu (Jennifer Bolt)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Q&A on Extraterrestrial Abductions and Visitations
Keywords: pig
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In article <1992Mar19.061530.18591@sdf.lonestar.org>
hideo@sdf.lonestar.org (David Carter) writes:
> Hey Jennifer!
>
> What's wrong with a little channeling?
>
> The entire hit TV series Green Acres was made possible by
>
> channeling the disembodied spirit of some old Martian nobody.
>
> Now THAT'S quality viewing, and there are many wise morals worked
>
> into the plotlines and eerie predictions that PROVE the script
>
> COULD NOT BE THE WORK OF AN EARTHLY ENTITY!!!!!!!
>
> The talking pig, Arnold, was actually the 'conduit' these
>
> messages were channeled through. Arnold was rather tellingly
>
> executed by a Grenedan Guerilla Unit in the late 70's, prompting
>
> President Reagan's (admittedly tardy) retribution.
>
>
>
> Just a theory.
>
>
>
Actually this theory seems plausible. Or at least as believable as any
other acount of channeling.
Jen
But I wouldn't go Out On A Limb for it !
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From: wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.religion.kibology,alt.sex,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: La, la, la...
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In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes...
>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>In article dise@nightshade.cs.odu.edu (Daniel Dise) said...
>>>%In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>>%>In article wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes...
>>>%>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>%>>>In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) said...
>>>%>>>%In article <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>>>%>>>%>In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) says:
>>>%>>>%>>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>%>>>%>>>In article pdevans@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul D Evans) writes:
>>>%>>>%>>>>In article colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
>>>%>>>%>>>>>In article entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU(Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>>%>>>%>>>>>>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>%>>>%>>>>>>> GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT .SIGNATURE VIRUSES ARE PASSE.
>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>%>>>%>>>>>>They will just mutate to get around it!
>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>%>>>%>>>>>>Evolution is god!
>>>%>>>%>>>>>Sanitation is fraud:
>>>%>>>%>>>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>>>%>>>%>>>Santa Claus baits God.
>>>%>>>%>>>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
>>>%>>>%>>Satin draws mates bod.
>>>%>>>%>I sat in Ward's tame knob.
>>>%>>>%I set a weird time bomb.
>>>%>>>I shed a weird tie, Bob...
>>>%>>I shot a wet teen babe.
>>>%>Izod's a wasp trend, Biff.
>>>%I drove off a west end cliff
>>>I rode to arrest a lift.
>>Electrodes tie my wrists.
>Erode the Mai Tai wisps.
Erotic in tiny sips.
---tom
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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: A Message from Psilocybin
Message-ID: <1992Mar19.171939.1605@linus.mitre.org>
Date: 19 Mar 92 17:19:39 GMT
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In article <1992Mar19.151727.25155@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, baillod@sparky.eecs.umich.edu (Brad Baillod) writes:
>In article <56036@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Our opinions in this matter do not rest upon the opinions of others nor upon
>>anything written instead they rest upon the experience of the mushroom
> ^^^^^^^^
>>psilocybin at the 10 mg level; at that level a peculiar phenomenon occurs. It
> ^^^^^
>Well, I think the authors here mean 10 grams, since the usual dose is about
>two grams.
One or two grams of mushrooms, you mean. I think he meant 10 mg of
psilocybin (the fun chemical contained therein).
Keith Lewis klewis@mitre.org "Mr. Cheap"
Darryl Gates, George Bush's "ideal police officer", thinks Clarence Thomas,
a former casual drug user, should have been shot long ago.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: rtaylor@cie.uoregon.edu (Russ Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.religion.kibology,alt.sex,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: La, la, la...
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Date: 19 Mar 92 19:19:33 GMT
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In article <1992Mar19.184917.6701@cunews.carleton.ca> wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes:
>In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes...
>>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>>In article dise@nightshade.cs.odu.edu (Daniel Dise) said...
>>>>%In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>>>%>In article wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes...
>>>>%>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>>%>>>In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) said...
>>>>%>>>%In article <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>>>>%>>>%>In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) says:
>>>>%>>>%>>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>>%>>>%>>>In article pdevans@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul D Evans) writes:
>>>>%>>>%>>>>In article colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
>>>>%>>>%>>>>>In article entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU(Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>> GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT .SIGNATURE VIRUSES ARE PASSE.
>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>They will just mutate to get around it!
>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>Evolution is god!
>>>>%>>>%>>>>>Sanitation is fraud:
>>>>%>>>%>>>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>>>>%>>>%>>>Santa Claus baits God.
>>>>%>>>%>>>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
>>>>%>>>%>>Satin draws mates bod.
>>>>%>>>%>I sat in Ward's tame knob.
>>>>%>>>%I set a weird time bomb.
>>>>%>>>I shed a weird tie, Bob...
>>>>%>>I shot a wet teen babe.
>>>>%>Izod's a wasp trend, Biff.
>>>>%I drove off a west end cliff
>>>>I rode to arrest a lift.
>>>Electrodes tie my wrists.
>>Erode the Mai Tai wisps.
>Erotic in tiny sips.
Exotic Women in slips!
Russ
rtaylor@cie.uoregon.edu
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From: dbeacham@willamette.edu (Daniel Beacham)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: A Message from Psilocybin
Message-ID: <1992Mar19.184911.15697@willamette.edu>
Date: 19 Mar 92 18:49:11 GMT
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While the average user consumes 2 g of 'shrooms, know that all of
that biomass is *not* psilocybin. The guy that you were responding to was
quite accurate in his estimation that the average dose of *psilocybin* is
on the order of 10 mg. Know that 2 g of refined psilocybin would send you
tripping balls into unreality for the short time that you lived after
consuming such a voluminous amount.
Just a friendly reminder...
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From: pc30@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Po Shan Cheah)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.religion.kibology,alt.sex,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: La, la, la...
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In article <1992Mar19.191933.21170@nntp.uoregon.edu> rtaylor@cie.uoregon.edu (Russ Taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Mar19.184917.6701@cunews.carleton.ca> wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes:
>>In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>>In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes...
>>>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>>>In article dise@nightshade.cs.odu.edu (Daniel Dise) said...
>>>>>%In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>>>>%>In article wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes...
>>>>>%>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>>>%>>>In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) said...
>>>>>%>>>%In article <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>>>>>%>>>%>In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) says:
>>>>>%>>>%>>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>>>%>>>%>>>In article pdevans@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul D Evans) writes:
>>>>>%>>>%>>>>In article colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>In article entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU(Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>> GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT .SIGNATURE VIRUSES ARE PASSE.
>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>They will just mutate to get around it!
>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>Evolution is god!
>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>Sanitation is fraud:
>>>>>%>>>%>>>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>>>>>%>>>%>>>Santa Claus baits God.
>>>>>%>>>%>>>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
>>>>>%>>>%>>Satin draws mates bod.
>>>>>%>>>%>I sat in Ward's tame knob.
>>>>>%>>>%I set a weird time bomb.
>>>>>%>>>I shed a weird tie, Bob...
>>>>>%>>I shot a wet teen babe.
>>>>>%>Izod's a wasp trend, Biff.
>>>>>%I drove off a west end cliff
>>>>>I rode to arrest a lift.
>>>>Electrodes tie my wrists.
>>>Erode the Mai Tai wisps.
>>Erotic in tiny sips.
>Exotic Women in slips!
Eclectic cows without lips.
---------
Po Shan Cheah
pc30@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
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From: UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.space
Subject: Re: Mars needs oxygen, Venus has too much.
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Date: 19 Mar 92 02:42:46 GMT
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In article <1992Mar17.131249.53768@cc.usu.edu>, sl7sg@cc.usu.edu says:
>
>In article <1992Mar16.211230.5352@regina.cs.uregina.ca>,
>bayko@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (john bayko) writes:
>
>
>> In orbit around Venus, a
>> hose with an atmospheric scoop on the end could pump atmosphere into the
>> balloon, until the balloon were pressurised enough.
>
> MEGAMAID !!! (Space Balls)
Look! She's turned from suck...to blow!
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From: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: exploding heads?
Summary: ow! boy, i've got a BAD headache... *boom*!
Keywords: wheeeeee
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can people's heads REALLY explode? i heard this on the news yesterday.
-cgw-
--
christopher williams cgw@unt.edu +1 817 565 4161
lead programmer/operator, university of north texas
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From: newberry@astro.as.arizona.edu (Mike Newberry)
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Subject: Re: The dyslexic insomniac UFO spotter
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Date: 19 Mar 92 20:43:36 GMT
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In article <1992Mar18.140126.9981@tcom.stc.co.uk> fsb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Frank Stuart Brown) writes:
[deleted]
>
> OTCIN ADARAB OTCIN
>
Don't you mean OTCIN ADARAB UTALK ??
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From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
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Subject: ET Tonight / Intrudders
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For those of you still interested in the UFO phenomenon and related
subjects.................
Tonight on Entertainment Tonight at 6:30pm they will be talking about
Abductions. I don't know all the details on wether this is refering to
the book (maybe they're making a movie about it) or what.
Thought you might want to see it.
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"Tis true; theres magic in the web of it." dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
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From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Q&A on Extraterrestrial Abductions and Visitations
Keywords: pig
Message-ID: <8c!j+qmpayner@netcom.com>
Date: 19 Mar 92 20:35:34 GMT
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In article <1992Mar19.163530.4597@pellns.alleg.edu> boltj@reis3.alleg.edu (Jennifer Bolt) writes:
>In article <1992Mar19.061530.18591@sdf.lonestar.org>
>hideo@sdf.lonestar.org (David Carter) writes:
>> Hey Jennifer!
>>
>> What's wrong with a little channeling?
>>
>> The entire hit TV series Green Acres was made possible by
>>
>> channeling the disembodied spirit of some old Martian nobody.
>>
>> Now THAT'S quality viewing, and there are many wise morals worked
>>
>> into the plotlines and eerie predictions that PROVE the script
>>
>> COULD NOT BE THE WORK OF AN EARTHLY ENTITY!!!!!!!
>>
>> The talking pig, Arnold, was actually the 'conduit' these
>>
>> messages were channeled through. Arnold was rather tellingly
>>
>> executed by a Grenedan Guerilla Unit in the late 70's, prompting
>>
>> President Reagan's (admittedly tardy) retribution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just a theory.
>>
>>
>>
> Actually this theory seems plausible. Or at least as believable as any
>other acount of channeling.
>
> Jen
>
>But I wouldn't go Out On A Limb for it !
Yes indeed, this is perhaps the best explanation for Arnold yet.
Although from recent classic channel re-runs, Arnold did not talk.
But they _always_ knew what he was saying. Perhaps we have a
more complex phenonema. Arnold was channeling for some unknown
entity, and the Ziffle's (sp?) were telepathically linked to
Arnold. The dark secrets of the 60's are just now coming out... :^)
Rich
payner@netcom.com
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From: morris@anasaz (Bob Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Q&A on Extraterrestrial Abductions and Visitations
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In boltj@reis53.alleg.edu (Jennifer Bolt) writes:
>Wake up, The universe is too big, and the distances too great for aliens to
>travel back and forth, that is from the Earth back to where ever. So no
>aliens have probably come to Earth, although it is almost definite that
>life must exist elsewhere...
There is an implicit assumption here, "time is too short". Drop that
assumption, and it is possible to travel anywhere without wormholes or
spacewarps or unknown (to us) physics. You can travel nearly one
light-year in only a year!
Of course, the thought of aliens zipping from here to Alpha-Centauri in
minutes is more entertaining, and isn't that what alien visitations are
all about?
Bob Morris
aka morris@anasaz.UUCP
anasaz!morris@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
My opinions only, of course...
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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: RE: Philly is the team to beat!
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With the NBA play-offs just around the corner, I predict that the
Philadelphia Seventy-Sixers will be crowned the NBA's best from all the rest.
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From: daryl@neumann.une.oz.au (Daryl Essam)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Q&A on Extraterrestrial Abductions and Visitations
Summary: Are our physiologies identical with possible aliens
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In article <=h9hjhjnoring@netcom.com>, noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
> In boltj@reis53.alleg.edu (Jennifer Bolt) writes:
>
> >Wake up, The universe is too big, and the distances too great for aliens to
> >travel back and forth, that is from the Earth back to where ever. So no
> >aliens have probably come to Earth, although it is almost definite that
> >life must exist elsewhere...
>
> If the only way to travel from one point in the universe to another point
> is to move through the space between the points, then Jennifer is correct
> because, according to Relativity (either SR or GR), and backed up with
> much experimental evidence, no object of mass can travel through space greater
> than (or even equal to, in reality) the speed of light in a vacuum.
>
> However, has it ever occured to you that it may be possible to alter space
> itself and reduce or even eliminate the space between any two points in space?
>
<stuff deleted>
I tend to think of this as wishful thinking. Relativity
is quite depressing, and I wish it did not hold, but at the moment I think
that given the current evidence. Its reasonable to assume that it does.
However, who is to say that a journey that takes a hundred, even a
thousand years would be considered unreasonable by an alien race. Just some
of the possible options are;
It is a possiblity that an alien race could enter a state of suspended
animation, either artificially; or it could be an inate ability, in a similar
manner to how some animals hybernate.
Or, if the race had a long life-span, say a million years or greater,
they could consider a trip to Earth to be the equivalent of having to drive
for an hour to get to work. Or as per 200 years ago, when it took 9 months
(ie 1-2% of their lifetime) to get from England to Australia.
I'm just saying that the argument seems to be that it takes too long
to go anywhere in space, but too long is a relative term.
DE
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In article <1992Mar19.192850.3140@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> pc30@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Po Shan Cheah) writes:
>In article <1992Mar19.191933.21170@nntp.uoregon.edu> rtaylor@cie.uoregon.edu (Russ Taylor) writes:
>>In article <1992Mar19.184917.6701@cunews.carleton.ca> wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes:
>>>In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>>>In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes...
>>>>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>>>>In article dise@nightshade.cs.odu.edu (Daniel Dise) said...
>>>>>>%In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>>>>>%>In article wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes...
>>>>>>%>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) said...
>>>>>>%>>>%In article <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>>>>>>%>>>%>In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) says:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>In article pdevans@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul D Evans) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>In article colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>In article entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU(Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>> GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT .SIGNATURE VIRUSES ARE PASSE.
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>They will just mutate to get around it!
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>Evolution is god!
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>Sanitation is fraud:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>Santa Claus baits God.
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
>>>>>>%>>>%>>Satin draws mates bod.
>>>>>>%>>>%>I sat in Ward's tame knob.
>>>>>>%>>>%I set a weird time bomb.
>>>>>>%>>>I shed a weird tie, Bob...
>>>>>>%>>I shot a wet teen babe.
>>>>>>%>Izod's a wasp trend, Biff.
>>>>>>%I drove off a west end cliff
>>>>>>I rode to arrest a lift.
>>>>>Electrodes tie my wrists.
>>>>Erode the Mai Tai wisps.
>>>Erotic in tiny sips.
>>Exotic Women in slips!
>Eclectic cows without lips.
Electric eels at my heels.
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From: kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.religion.kibology,alt.sex,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: The cascade from Hell rides once again...
Message-ID: <BLDx2E.InE@world.std.com>
Date: 19 Mar 92 23:54:13 GMT
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In article <64035@apple.Apple.COM> nsj@Apple.COM (Neal Johnson) writes:
>In article <17MAR199217225741@vax.cc.williams.edu> 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>In article <1992Mar17.194614.26095@cunews.carleton.ca>, wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes...
>>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>>And then in dise@nightshade.cs.odu.edu (Daniel Dise) said...
>>>>% In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>>>% >In article wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes...
>>>>% >>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>>% >>>And then in 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) said...
>>>>% >>>% In article <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>>>>% >>>% >In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) says:
>>>>% >>>% >>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>>% >>>% >>>In article pdevans@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul D Evans) writes:
>>>>% >>>% >>>>In article colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
>>>>% >>>% >>>>> In article entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>>>% >>>% >>>>> >In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>>>% >>>% >>>>> >> GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT .SIGNATURE VIRUSES ARE PASSE.
>>>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>>>% >>>% >>>>> >They will just mutate to get around it!
>>>>% >>>% >>>>>
>>>>% >>>% >>>>> >Evolution is god!
>>>>% >>>% >>>>> Sanitation is fraud:
>>>>% >>>% >>>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>>>>% >>>% >>>Santa Claus baits God.
>>>>% >>>% >>>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
>>>>% >>>% >>Satin draws mates bod.
>>>>% >>>% >I sat in Ward's tame knob.
>>>>% >>>% I set a weird time bomb.
>>>>% >>>I shed a weird tie, Bob...
>>>>% >>I shot a wet teen babe.
>>>>% >Izod's a wasp trend, Biff.
>>>>% I drove off a west end cliff
>>>>I rode to arrest a lift.
>>>Electrodes tie my wrists.
>>Erode the Mai Tai wisps.
>He rode the May Day WASPS.
She ate the Payday wrapper.
GEE, THIS IS A WASTE OF BANDWIDTH. I WISH YOU PEOPLE WOULD STOP IT.
YOU'RE RUINING THE NET FOR *EVERYONE*.
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From: kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern,alt.religion.kibology,alt.sex,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Stop it! Stop it! Stop it!
Message-ID: <BLDx6E.IsL@world.std.com>
Date: 19 Mar 92 23:56:38 GMT
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In article <1992Mar19.192850.3140@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> pc30@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Po Shan Cheah) writes:
>In article <1992Mar19.191933.21170@nntp.uoregon.edu> rtaylor@cie.uoregon.edu (Russ Taylor) writes:
>>In article <1992Mar19.184917.6701@cunews.carleton.ca> wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes:
>>>In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>>>In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) writes...
>>>>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>>>>In article dise@nightshade.cs.odu.edu (Daniel Dise) said...
>>>>>>%In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>>>>>>%>In article wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes...
>>>>>>%>>In article david@rosalyn.stat.uga.edu (David Gundlach) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>In article 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) said...
>>>>>>%>>>%In article <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes...
>>>>>>%>>>%>In article wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill) says:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>In article pdevans@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul D Evans) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>In article colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>In article entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU(Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>> GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT .SIGNATURE VIRUSES ARE PASSE.
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>They will just mutate to get around it!
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>>Evolution is god!
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>>Sanitation is fraud:
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>Santa Claus baits God.
>>>>>>%>>>%>>>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
>>>>>>%>>>%>>Satin draws mates bod.
>>>>>>%>>>%>I sat in Ward's tame knob.
>>>>>>%>>>%I set a weird time bomb.
>>>>>>%>>>I shed a weird tie, Bob...
>>>>>>%>>I shot a wet teen babe.
>>>>>>%>Izod's a wasp trend, Biff.
>>>>>>%I drove off a west end cliff
>>>>>>I rode to arrest a lift.
>>>>>Electrodes tie my wrists.
>>>>Erode the Mai Tai wisps.
>>>Erotic in tiny sips.
>>Exotic Women in slips!
>Eclectic cows without lips.
Erector sets without screws.
This waste of bandwidth is more fun than humans should be allowed to
have. We should be sending postcards to Craig Shergold instead.
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From: Craig.O'Neill@p0.f1.n350.z199.nacjack.gen.nz (Craig O'Neill)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: pts
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This is probley the wrong area but I couldn't find the right one as I am only new to the board. Can you tell me how I gt points for downloads and what is the upload/download ratio on this board. Thanks.
Got to Fly BYE BYE
Craig
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humph.
Amoeba
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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: NASA? UFO? FRIDAY NIGHT?
Keywords: stolen videotapes NASA
Message-ID: <1992Feb18.164036.24483@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: 18 Feb 92 16:42:00 GMT
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In article <P2PBgB1w164w@spectrx.saigon.com>, system@spectrx.saigon.com (Aaron Anderer) writes...
>dcook@npal.rn.com writes:
>
>>
>> Argh!!! I missed it!!!
>>
>> Did anyone catch the nightly news, I believe on Friday, concerning the
>> *stolen* video tape from NASA, which shows a shot from a space shuttle
>> flight of 35 disks, and some interesting audio comments from the
>> astronauts? - Would be interested in hearing the total (correct?) story!
>> --
>
>I say if anyone has those on the net, that they should digitize the photos
>and post them, so the government cannot quiet it. It would be spread all
>over the world and expose the government for what it is. In an election
>year too!
I've heard of this type of thing before. On an Apollo mission (can't
remember which one) they photographed a small object which turned out to be
a piece of space debris. At the time, they did not know this, and one
astronaut said they were seeing an unidentified flying object. This was
true, incidentally, because when the air force or astronauts speak of
unidentified flying objecs, they mean just that: objects which are flying
that have not been positively identified. They don't mean alien spacecraft
from another galaxy piloted by a race of superhuman beings.
Probably, the same kind of thing will happen with these latest "stolen
photos".
-Eric
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From: nikos@cs.cornell.edu (Nikos P. Pitsianis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles
Message-ID: <1992Feb16.182031.9159@cs.cornell.edu>
Date: 16 Feb 92 18:20:31 GMT
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In article <2417@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, dschiff@copper.denver.colorado.edu (David Michael Schiff) writes:
|> [deleted]
|>
|> But, as Hawkins said, the fun part is thinking them up.
|> Can you (or anyone else) think of the fifth theorem which is
|> the generalized form of the first four?
|>
One possible extrapolation is :
For a regular n-agon, the ratio of the areas of the circumscribed circle
and the inscribed circle is given by the formula :
1
------------
2
cos(1/n Pi)
|>
|> It would also be nice to know how he discovered the whole numbers
|> which match the ratios of the diatonic scale.
|>
|> Regards,
|> Dave
|>
For n = 3 and 4 we have whole numbers. Some other "interesting" numbers are:
1
n = 5, -----------------
1/2 2
(1/4 5 + 1/4)
n = 6, 4/3
8
n = 10, --------
1/2
5 + 5
4
n = 12, ----------------------
1/2 2 1/2
(2 + 3 ) (2 - 3 )
The whole thing is trivial, you shouldn't give any more attention
to the subject of "theorems" and Mr Hawkins.
-- Nikos
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Cornell University Phone : (607) 255 3042
4130 Upson Hall, Dept of Comp Sc FAX : (607) 255 4428
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From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Star Systems With Habitable Planets
Message-ID: <1992Feb16.203759.22078@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
Date: 16 Feb 92 20:37:59 GMT
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In article <1992Feb15.031707.29226@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>
> All well and good except if you're looking for life you have
>to eliminate all the stars younger than about 3 Gyr... That limits
>things quite a bit... Exorcising the stars with low probabilities
>(from the other contraints...)...
Why? Didn't unicellular life show up within 1 gyr of the
Earth's formation?
James Nicoll
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Star Systems With Habitable Planets
Message-ID: <1992Feb18.221238.2596@spdcc.com>
Date: 18 Feb 92 22:12:38 GMT
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jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>> All well and good except if you're looking for life you have
>>to eliminate all the stars younger than about 3 Gyr... That limits
>>things quite a bit... Exorcising the stars with low probabilities
>>(from the other contraints...)...
> Why? Didn't unicellular life show up within 1 gyr of the
>Earth's formation?
Unicellular life isn't very interesting to talk to... :-)
For the purposes of SETI-like investigations, there isn't much stock in
going for the intermediate-age stars. In terms of answering "does life
exist" - sure, but you have to figure out a scheme whereby you can determine
that the unicellular life is there. Outside of going there and looking,
you're sort of stuck.
Not that surveying the older stars are any picnic either...
Bob
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From: Amoeba@p0.f20.n350.z199.nacjack.gen.nz (Amoeba)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: This Forum
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microorganisms don`t have eyes.
Amoeba
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From: Amoeba@p0.f20.n350.z199.nacjack.gen.nz (Amoeba)
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Subject: Re: This Forum
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In-Reply-To: Scourge@p0.f0.n0.z0.nacjack.gen.nz (Scourge)
well that`s not my fault
Amoeba
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From: Scourge@p0.f20.n350.z199.nacjack.gen.nz (Scourge)
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In-Reply-To: Amoeba@p0.f0.n0.z0.nacjack.gen.nz (Amoeba)
And your eyes are too close together!
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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.space,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: mars Pyramids - what do You think about it?
Message-ID: <1992Feb18.234317.3401@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 18 Feb 92 23:43:17 GMT
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Meessen@slig.ucl.ac.be (Christophe Meessen) writes:
>To take this decision we need more information. We (or they) have to
>decide to collect the required information. This decision depends on
>the 'pro' and 'against' of collecting the information and the resulting
>decision.
>Does any one know what are the against ? I mean real technical or financial
>problems. Is it realy just politic ?
>Chris.
Well, there are technical issues, like it's hard to build a spacecraft to
go to Mars. There are political issues, - politicians want to spend money
on other things. There are also implementaion issues, like the fact that
there's a whole planet to study, and the face will just have to wait it's
turn. And frnakly, I think NASA doesn't want to make a big deal about
observing the face because it looks kinda stupid in the professional community.
(and can you imagine telling congress you need $500 million because someone
thinks aliens left a messsage for us :).
However, I think many face activists have the wrong impression. NASA was
planning to take a picture of the face last I heard. just beacuse they don't
make it their top priority doesn't mean that they are conspiring to hide
evidence.
Josh
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From: randall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (randall embry)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,sci.space,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Dreamland
Message-ID: <1992Feb18.192601.285@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: 19 Feb 92 00:25:55 GMT
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I had this dream about six months ago... I was in a fairly open place,
and surrounded by people who seemed a little perplexed & angry that I
didn't remember them. They told me they had met me several times
before, and that they were real people like me who were dreaming right
now. It seemed the goal was to try to establish contact with one
another back in "the real world." My brilliant suggestion was to write
someone's phone number on my hand, so I guess I blew it. It seemed like
a fairly lucid dream; I remember sitting at a table at a restaurant, and
when a waiter came and asked me to leave if I wasn't going to pay, I
said something like "leave me alone this is my dream" and everyone
laughed.
I was quite impressed with my ability to manufacture this dream, and it
does cause me to speculate whether something like this is possible. I
was reminded of it a few days ago when I had a dream something like
this: Again I was in an open place, showing some people these really
bent up eyeglasses I had. I closed my eyes, and when I opened them,
everyone was gone, so I turned around and saw a woman standing there
who blew me off when I spoke to her. I then said "Listen, this is my
dream and you have no existence outside of it." I then gave her a
command that I am not proud enough of to post; however, she responded
by driving away on a motorcycle.
In the book "The Road Less Travelled," the author (Peck?) cites a 1972
university experiment that "proved" subjects could project images to
nearby sleeping subjects. Anyone heard about this?
Randall
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From: defonso@astro.as.utexas.edu (Eric Defonso)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.space,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: mars Pyramids - what do You think about it?
Keywords: mars pyramids, mars face, fnord
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In article <1992Feb13.084912.21197@sbcs.sunysb.edu> jflint@csws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Jesse Flint) writes:
>By the way -- for you skeptics-- How do natural processes create a
>"face-like" rock formation 1km long with bilateral symmetry and
>accurate proportions?? If this thing is natural, we _MUST_ go back to
>Mars and check it out _ANYWAY_.
> --Tog
>
Probably the same way natural processes can make clouds into animal
shapes, or rock formations in coastal areas take on human profiles.
I don't think there is any reason to believe that the images of the
Mars face represent anything beyond our own terrestrial experience.
After all, it is the image of *shadows* that appears like a face,
and NOT the rock formations, as you suggest.
There are other reasons to explore the solar system than simply to
look for images of ourselves. Let us not be so self-centered....
--
Eric DeFonso (astro.as.utexas.edu)
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From: ijameson@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Iain Jameson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Our History with the Pleiadians
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Date: 19 Feb 92 02:23:18 GMT
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In article <110256.299F9478@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner) writes:
> Hello Iain!
>
> In a msg of <07 Feb 92>, Iain Jameson writes to All:
> IJ> Present Homo Sapians left Africa around 100,000 years ago.
> IJ> Lucy was a Lyrian??
> IJ> How long was the search? Sounds like several billion years. An awfully
> IJ> long time to be looking for a home. Patient race?
>
> From what source is this information? Very intersting...
> Andre
The 100,000 years bit is (should be) common knowledge.
My questions were directed to the author of the original post -
It was so full of inaccuracies, that I had to question his
data. His time sequences were way out.
Since he has not responded, I assume that he realises his error,
but is to shy to respond.
Iain
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Subject: Re: mars Pyramids - what do You think about it?
Message-ID: <1992Feb19.133308.11178@cc.newcastle.edu.au>
Date: 19 Feb 92 02:33:08 GMT
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In article <1992Feb15.214310.11847@infonode.ingr.com>, case@infonode.ingr.com (Bill Case) writes:
> In article <5054@otc.otca.oz>, siri@otc.otca.oz (Siri Hewa) writes:
>> But Mars face
>> stick out like a sore thumb on this picture. I think only way to get proof of
>> any sort is to go there in person?.
> ^^^^^^
> I haven't seen it, but I know Italy looks alot like a boot.
>
> If I'm paying the tax bill, what I favor is a robot IMAX camera where
> the wind sounds are recorded in 8 channel, dolby, THX, etc. If we did
> that, then millions could come close to "going" to Mars, without anyone
> actually going. We have the pictures from Apollo, but they don't convey
> the awesome feeling of standing on the moon. I want the experience.
>
Y O U C A N -
All you have to do is watch the MARS NAVIGATOR database on the Macintosh PC -
a touch-screen based videodisk product which is based on the Viking 3 surface
pictures of the Mars landscape. I think it was Industrial Light and Magic who
added the 16-bit stereo sound and the 3-d enhancement of the fly-over footage.
Does this give a realistic effect or what! especially if seen on an 8' screen
and through BOSE speakers. A bit StarWars like but user controlled, even down
to the point where the crew say to the pilot (you) things like "look out!" and
"close call" as you skim over the surface, dive into a canyon or swing around
a large volcano (20 miles across at the base). No Mars Face though :-(
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From: joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: mars Pyramids - what do You think about it?
Keywords: mars pyramids, mars face, fnord
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defonso@astro.as.utexas.edu (Eric Defonso) writes:
|>There are other reasons to explore the solar system than simply to
|>look for images of ourselves. Let us not be so self-centered....
as someone has pointed out, mars observor launches this year, and it has
a resolution of 3 meters ... so we'll know by '94 one way or the other.
josh
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From: geoff@satori.equinox.gen.nz (Geoff McCaughan)
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Subject: Re: mars Pyramids - what do You think about it?
Keywords: mars pyramids
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behse@mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de (Juergen Behse) writes:
> I had posted the PYRAMIDS.JPG picture in various news-groups.
> I'm just wondering what You think about the Pyramids on mars ??
> Did You already take a look at it and what do You think about it ?
> Only optical delusion or proof of soemthing unexplainable ?
> Let me know !
Have you ever seen a ventifact?
Geoff - Sysop Equinox (equinox.gen.nz) +64 (3) 3854406 (4 Lines)
Email: geoff@satori.equinox.gen.nz - or - MCCAUGHAN_G@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
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From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
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Subject: Re: Star Systems With Habitable Planets
Message-ID: <1992Feb19.053314.15677@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
Date: 19 Feb 92 05:33:14 GMT
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In article <1992Feb18.221238.2596@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
>>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>
>>> All well and good except if you're looking for life you have
>>>to eliminate all the stars younger than about 3 Gyr... That limits
>>>things quite a bit... Exorcising the stars with low probabilities
>>>(from the other contraints...)...
>
>> Why? Didn't unicellular life show up within 1 gyr of the
>>Earth's formation?
>
> Unicellular life isn't very interesting to talk to... :-)
>For the purposes of SETI-like investigations, there isn't much stock in
>going for the intermediate-age stars. In terms of answering "does life
>exist" - sure, but you have to figure out a scheme whereby you can determine
>that the unicellular life is there. Outside of going there and looking,
>you're sort of stuck.
>
> Not that surveying the older stars are any picnic either...
I imagine that Lovelock would suggest looking for worlds whose
atmosphere is in what should be chemical disequilibrium. Lots of O2,
for example, suggests there must be something producing it continually.
James Nicoll
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Subject: Re: Dreamland
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In article <1992Feb18.192601.285@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> randall embry <randall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>In the book "The Road Less Travelled," the author (Peck?) cites a 1972
>university experiment that "proved" subjects could project images to
>nearby sleeping subjects. Anyone heard about this?
And in his book "People of the Lie", Peck "proved" that some people
who appear to have mental illness are really possessed by devils.
(And this guy is a psychologist!!)
--
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Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
"The facts can only take you so far in this case.",
- Oliver Stone, discussing "JFK" on CBS-TV's "48 Hours", Feb. 5, 1992
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From: defonso@astro.as.utexas.edu (Eric Defonso)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Astronomers & Ufos
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In article <1992Feb13.212518.248@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>In article <1992Feb13.193659.22726sheaffer@netcom.COM>, sheaffer@netcom.COM (Robert Sheaffer) writes...
>>In article <1992Feb13.024010.13816@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>
>Incidentally, are you aware that Vallee became interested in studying this
>phenomenon when he found astronomers destroying observation data of UFO
>events that they could not explain?
I'm interested to know what type of observation data astronomers had
that could possibly have contributed to UFO research in the first place.
[ other deletia ]
>>So, all you have to do is to convince astronomers, and other scientists,
>>that studying UFOs is going to teach us about *anything real*, apart
>>from human self-deception!!
>
>No, not necessarily. The only people that need convincing are those who
>might be inquisitive enough to want to know what the phenomenon really,
>truly is.
Past experience has shown that many times, the phenomenon is something
quite explainable in terms of our current knowledge, i.e. weather,
hoaxing, etc. Because of this, there is not much enthusiasm among
scientists to pursue the subject when so much *real* science can be
done in the meantime.
I presume that the people who are already "working" on the problem
will let us know if they ever come up with anything substantive.
>
>Only those who are interested in establishing the truth
>about this phenomenon need apply.
Only those who have the time and money to spend on wild goose
chases, basing conclusions on anecdotal information and ignoring
the problem of unrepeatability need apply.
>BTW: Has it ever occurred to you that you may be limiting the sciences by
>allowing the study of only those things that would contribute to _known_
>fields (such as astronomy, biology, etc.)? Is it not possible that a
>study of the _phenomena_ may yield an entirely _new_ science?
I for one wouldn't call astronomy a "known" science, although I
think I know what you mean. I agree with you in principle, actually -
but until there is at least some measure of real recurrence,
I don't think it's very sensible at all to pursue that avenue.
It involves an unjustifiable allocation of resources that I cannot
accept.
>
>Don't misunderstand me. I'm not implying that we should study the
>phenomenon for the sake of creating a new science. But, by limiting
There's nothing wrong with *developing* a new science; unless
you're trying to make one where there is no scientific method
of inquiry to begin with.
>our research to those things we already know about or we are sure will
>contribute only to _known_ fields is, well...., limiting.
When the possibility for real science arises in regard to the
"UFO phenomenon", I think you'll find a great many people
interested in the topic.
>
>Jim Graham - Scepticus Realisticus
>
> -> ->Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. <- <-
> Neither do they speak for me.
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From: csd1227@ux.acs.umn.edu (Greg Larson)
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Subject: Re: Astronomers & Ufos
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In article <66960@ut-emx.uucp> defonso@astro.as.utexas.edu (Eric Defonso) writes:
>In article <1992Feb13.212518.248@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Feb13.193659.22726sheaffer@netcom.COM>, sheaffer@netcom.COM (Robert Sheaffer) writes...
>>>In article <1992Feb13.024010.13816@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>>
>There's nothing wrong with *developing* a new science; unless
>you're trying to make one where there is no scientific method
>of inquiry to begin with.
>
>>our research to those things we already know about or we are sure will
>>contribute only to _known_ fields is, well...., limiting.
>
>When the possibility for real science arises in regard to the
>"UFO phenomenon", I think you'll find a great many people
>interested in the topic.
>
>Eric DeFonso (astro.as.utexas.edu)
You are, of course, very wrong in that observation is an extremely important
part of science. Much of current UFO research has to do with recording
events, i.e., building up a history of the phenomena. If/when it does become
obvious that UFOs are something quite real and amazing, the information
gathered so far will be enormously useful. Surely the relatively small
number of people actively involved is a small price to pay for potentially
enormous future benefits. Your attitude represents the most unscientific
kind of thinking imagineable.
Greg.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: A Survey!
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Donald,
What is the purpose of your survey, i.e., objectives?
Mike
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From: behse@mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de (Juergen Behse)
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Subject: Zoomed Mars-face,inka-city posted to alt.binaries!
Summary: mars face
Keywords: mars face
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Hello,
I just have posted the 2 missing pictures from the book:
Leben auf dem Mars(live on mars) by Joh. von Buttlar,
to the following newsgroup:
alt.binaries.pictures.misc
Go with Your nn-newsreader to this group, tag the 2 part files
and give the command:
:decode
Then the newsreader automatically decodes the uuencoded JPEG-pictures
to Your directory.
Then get any JPEG viewer or JPEG to GIF-converter to view them.
Here comes an info courtesty of Tom Lane of the independant JPEG-group,
which describes where to get JPEG software:
If you are looking for "canned" software, viewers, etc:
There is not a lot of pre-built, no-thought-required JPEG software available
yet. This short list will no doubt grow with time.
For X Windows, John Bradley's XV version 2.00 is an excellent JPEG/GIF viewer.
It's available for FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu or grip.cis.upenn.edu. The
file is called 'xv-2.00.tar.Z' and is located in the 'contrib' directory on
export or the 'pub' directory on grip. XV's only real shortcoming is that
it does not fully exploit 24-bit displays (it reduces all images to 8 bits).
If you have a 24-bit display you will get better results from "xloadimage",
which is also available from export, file contrib/xloadimage.3.01.tar.Z.
Version 3.01 does not read JPEG files, but it will read the PPM files put
out by the free JPEG converter described below. There is also a patched
version called "xli" (see files xli.* in same directory) that does read JPEG
directly. However, xli is a quick hack rather than an official release;
caveat user. Another good choice for X Windows is John Cristy's ImageMagick
package, also available from export, file contrib/ImageMagick.tar.Z. The
viewer included in this package handles 24-bit displays correctly; for
colormapped displays, it does better (though slower) color quantization
than XV.
For MS-DOS, Handmade Software offers two (rather pricy) shareware programs:
Image Alchemy and GIF2JPG/JPG2GIF (contact hsi@netcom.com for details). The
PC versions of these programs are available for FTP from wuarchive.wustl.edu,
directory mirrors/msdos/graphics, files alchmy15.zip and gif2jpg5.zip; also
from SIMTEL20 and its other mirror sites. (Image Alchemy is also available
as an executable for Sun Unix machines, but I don't know where to find it.)
GIF2JPG/JPG2GIF only perform JPEG<=>GIF format conversion. Image Alchemy
converts files between these and many other formats, and can also display
images on some types of hardware. The display option is pretty limited,
so you'll still want a separate viewer program. (WARNING: GIF2JPG produces
a proprietary file format unless you specify -j. Be sure to use -j if you
want to exchange JPEG files with other Usenet users. For that matter, it's
not real clear that you should be posting JPEG files made from GIFs; see
section 5.)
For the Macintosh, Storm Technology has released a free program that can
decode and view JPEG images (though not create them). This is called
Picture Decompress. Make sure you get version 2.0.1 or later; earlier
versions are not compatible with JFIF file format. This program can be
FTPed from sumex-aim.stanford.edu, directory /info-mac/app, file
picture-decompress-201.hqx. You'll also need a tool for adjusting file type
codes; set the type of a downloaded image file to 'JPEG' to allow Picture
Decompress to open it.
If none of the above fits your situation, you can obtain and compile the
free JPEG converter program described below. You'll also need a viewer
program, and if your viewer only handles GIF files, you'll want a separate
color quantization program (we recommend ppmquant from the PBMPLUS package
for Unix machines; on PCs, try Piclab). This last requirement will go away
with the next release of the free code.
There are numerous commercial JPEG offerings, with more popping up every
day. I recommend that you not spend money on one of these unless you find
the available free or shareware software vastly too slow. In that case,
purchase a hardware-assisted product. Ask pointed questions about whether
the product complies with the final JPEG standard and about whether it can
handle the JFIF file format; many of the earliest commercial releases are
not and never will be compatible with anyone else's files.
If you are looking for source code to work with:
Free, portable C code for JPEG compression is available from the Independent
JPEG Group, which I lead. A package containing our source code,
documentation, and some small test files is available from several places.
The "official" archive site for this source code is ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9
or 192.48.96.9). Look under directory /graphics/jpeg; the current release
is jpegsrc.v2.tar.Z. (This is a compressed TAR file; don't forget to
retrieve in binary mode.) You can retrieve this file by FTP or UUCP. Folks
in Europe may find it easier to FTP from nic.funet.fi (see directory
pub/graphics/programs/jpeg). The source code is also available on
CompuServe, in the GRAPHSUPPORT forum (GO PICS), library 10, as jpsrc2.zip.
The free JPEG code provides conversion between JPEG "JFIF" format and image
files in PBMPLUS PPM, Utah RLE, Truevision Targa, and GIF file formats.
(However, output to GIF format is not of high quality at present; ditto for
colormapped Targa and RLE formats.) The core compression and decompression
modules can easily be reused in other programs, such as image viewers. The
package is highly portable; we have tested it on many machines ranging from
PCs to Crays.
We have released this software for both noncommercial and commercial use.
Companies are welcome to use it as the basis for JPEG-related products.
We do not ask a royalty, although we do ask for an acknowledgement in
product literature (see the README file in the distribution for details).
We hope to make this software industrial-quality --- although, as with
anything that's free, we offer no warranty and accept no liability.
The Independent JPEG Group is a volunteer organization; if you'd like to
contribute to improving our software, you are welcome to join.
If you are not reasonably handy at configuring and installing portable C
programs, you may have some difficulty installing the free source code.
Steve Davis (strat@cis.ksu.edu) has volunteered to maintain an archive of
pre-built executable versions of the free JPEG code for various machines.
His FTP archive is at procyon.cis.ksu.edu (129.130.10.80 -- this number is
due to change soon); look under /pub/JPEG to see what he currently has.
(The administrators of this system ask that FTP traffic be limited to
non-prime hours.) This archive is not maintained by the Independent JPEG
Group, and files in it may not represent the latest source code.
For more information about JPEG in general or the free JPEG software in
particular, contact the Independent JPEG Group at jpeg-info@uunet.uu.net.
--
tom lane
organizer, Independent JPEG Group
Internet: tgl@cs.cmu.edu BITNET: tgl%cs.cmu.edu@carnegie
Best regards, Stefan Hartmann,c/o Workshop for
Decentral Energy Research
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Something Wicked This Way Comes?
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In article <110232.299F177A@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) writes:
>Asteroids can be fatal to radio careers to. It seems that former
>science advisor to radio talk show host Chuck Harder, Richard
>Hoagland, embarrassed Harder on the air, thereby severing his
>weekly spot on Harders show. Harder had been speaking publicly on
>his program about an alleged asteroid that had been, according to
>what appeared to be a New York Times story from 1977 speeding its way to
>Earth, making what the story claimed were course changes. The Times article
>duly quoted purported scientists, and sounded very legit; it turned out that
>when the New York Times Index was checked, along with microfiche copies from
>that date and several days after, no such article could be found. It was
>someone's very real looking fabrication.
It wasn't an intentional hoax (except for the idiot who circulated it as
real, whoever he was.) It's page 101 of a fictional book titled "The
Extraterrestrial Report", by Richard Siegel, John H. Butterfield, and
Jean-Claude Suares, Copyright 1978, published by A&W Publishers, Inc., 95
Madison Avenue, New York, New York 10016. Library of Congress Catalog Card
Number 77-91031, ISBN # 0-89104-093-5. (Just in case anyone wants to
check.)
The book contains a number of fake government documents, fake magazine
articles, and fake newspaper articles. The government documents and
magazine articles are obvious satire. The fake New York Times articles
don't have a satirical tone, unfortunately. (Unless, considering the
publication date, the name "Lucas Hamill" is a reference to the movie "Star
Wars".)
I've often wondered whether the book could have been the inspiration for
a large part of the conspiracy scenario as we know it today. It starts
with a document found in the Truman Library in which Truman is worried
about the aliens, then jumps to the present where a SETI team makes contact
with aliens. The Federal Agency for Interstellar Contact (FAIC,
obviously) is formed to take control of the situation. They announce
that the signal was a hoax and force the shutdown of the SETI facility,
while secretly continuing work on it themselves. FAIC is a highly
secretive group, even President Carter doesn't have a clue about it.
Eventually the aliens, who are friendly, land and sign a treaty with us.
We grant them the right to fly through our solar system, and in return they
educate us about the universe. They warn us about a parasitic race who are
on their way to Earth with a large spaceship to destroy us. Eventually
astronomers detect this ship, which is covered up by claiming that it's an
asteroid. Then the race is on to figure out a way to stop it.
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
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Subject: Re: NASA? UFO? FRIDAY NIGHT?
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In article <5614@npal.rn.com> dcook@npal.rn.com writes:
>Did anyone catch the nightly news, I believe on Friday, concerning the
>*stolen* video tape from NASA, which shows a shot from a space shuttle
>flight of 35 disks, and some interesting audio comments from the
>astronauts? - Would be interested in hearing the total (correct?) story!
I'd be interested in it too! I heard bits of a similar story on the
Fidonet UFO echo a few weeks ago. The story I heard said that a spaceship
shot at the shuttle with some sort of beam, and the shuttle had to get out
of the way. There's a tape showing the alleged incident (in fact, the
story I heard said it was "released" rather than "stolen"), but I haven't
seen it. It was aired on a program called "ET Monitor", which I think is
on some sort of Christian satellite network but I'm not sure.
The version I heard doesn't say anything about 35 ships, just one. Also,
if what I heard about the shuttle dodging some sort of beam weapon is
correct, the whole story's integrity is suspect. Unlike every SF movie
ever made, you can't see things coming at light speed! (Although it's
possible that it was just phrased awkwardly; maybe the shuttle had to dodge
the *spacecraft*, and the beam missed or was just a warning shot.)
I haven't heard anything about the audio on the tape. There's an old story
about audio-only transmission from a shuttle that spotted an alien
spaceship, but as likely as not it was a hoax by someone on the ground.
(Shuttle audio is rebroadcast on various ham stations.)
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From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.space,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: mars Pyramids - what do You think about it?
Message-ID: <1992Feb19.142842.10181@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: 19 Feb 92 15:27:01 GMT
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In article <1992Feb18.234317.3401@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes...
>turn. And frnakly, I think NASA doesn't want to make a big deal about
>observing the face because it looks kinda stupid in the professional community.
>(and can you imagine telling congress you need $500 million because someone
>thinks aliens left a messsage for us :).
>
>However, I think many face activists have the wrong impression. NASA was
>planning to take a picture of the face last I heard. just beacuse they don't
>make it their top priority doesn't mean that they are conspiring to hide
>evidence.
>
> Josh
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, with references, but I believe that
_congress_ gave NASA a _mandate_ to take pictures of Cydonia with the
Mars Observer.
It was not NASA's decision.
>
Jim Graham
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From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Astronomers & Ufos
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Date: 19 Feb 92 15:38:32 GMT
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In article <66960@ut-emx.uucp>, defonso@astro.as.utexas.edu (Eric Defonso) writes...
>In article <1992Feb13.212518.248@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Feb13.193659.22726sheaffer@netcom.COM>, sheaffer@netcom.COM (Robert Sheaffer) writes...
>>>In article <1992Feb13.024010.13816@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>>
>>Incidentally, are you aware that Vallee became interested in studying this
>>phenomenon when he found astronomers destroying observation data of UFO
>>events that they could not explain?
>
>I'm interested to know what type of observation data astronomers had
>that could possibly have contributed to UFO research in the first place.
>
_Unidentified_ flying objects comes to mind.
>[ other deletia ]
>
>>>So, all you have to do is to convince astronomers, and other scientists,
>>>that studying UFOs is going to teach us about *anything real*, apart
>>>from human self-deception!!
>>
>>No, not necessarily. The only people that need convincing are those who
>>might be inquisitive enough to want to know what the phenomenon really,
>>truly is.
>
>Past experience has shown that many times, the phenomenon is something
>quite explainable in terms of our current knowledge, i.e. weather,
>hoaxing, etc. Because of this, there is not much enthusiasm among
Absolutely, and there is a large percentage of unknowns remaining.
>scientists to pursue the subject when so much *real* science can be
>done in the meantime.
"Real" science? Define this in such a way that it directly contradicts
what I have been claiming.
>I presume that the people who are already "working" on the problem
>will let us know if they ever come up with anything substantive.
>
>>
>>Only those who are interested in establishing the truth
>>about this phenomenon need apply.
>
>Only those who have the time and money to spend on wild goose
>chases, basing conclusions on anecdotal information and ignoring
>the problem of unrepeatability need apply.
My statement about "truth" stands.
What you are asking for is "repeatability" of a _particular_ sighting.
What I have been talking about is the _phenomenon_ in a collective sense.
That is undeniable. That is worth studying.
Simple question: You want repeatability. Show me how you can, in a
laboratory environment, _predict_ exactly which atom will divide in
a nuclear fission reaction. Show me a real, honest to goodness
black hole.
Then, show me how I can repeat the same experiments and get the same
results.
The bottom line is that you can't. You can show me effects that point
to these things, but you can't _show_ me these "things".
In like manner, I and others claim that the UFO _phenomenon_ is real.
Evidence for the _phenomenon_ exists. Evidence for a particular "UFO"
(whatever that may be) does not.
Now, let me rephrase the above....
"Evidence for the phenomenon of nuclear fission exists. Evidence that
atom #1E37 is going to split does not.
Do you see my point?
>>BTW: Has it ever occurred to you that you may be limiting the sciences by
>>allowing the study of only those things that would contribute to _known_
>>fields (such as astronomy, biology, etc.)? Is it not possible that a
>>study of the _phenomena_ may yield an entirely _new_ science?
>
>I for one wouldn't call astronomy a "known" science, although I
>think I know what you mean. I agree with you in principle, actually -
>but until there is at least some measure of real recurrence,
>I don't think it's very sensible at all to pursue that avenue.
>It involves an unjustifiable allocation of resources that I cannot
>accept.
Justifiability is a purely subjective thing in the sciences (usually).
It's a straw man. If you're fighting for money, it matters. If you're
in pursuit of _answers_ to unanswered questions, it's meaningless.
>>Don't misunderstand me. I'm not implying that we should study the
>>phenomenon for the sake of creating a new science. But, by limiting
>
>There's nothing wrong with *developing* a new science; unless
>you're trying to make one where there is no scientific method
>of inquiry to begin with.
Such as? You imply that there is no scientific method in the study of
the UFO phenomenon. That is blatantly false. Would you care to provide
evidence of this?
>
>>our research to those things we already know about or we are sure will
>>contribute only to _known_ fields is, well...., limiting.
>
>When the possibility for real science arises in regard to the
>"UFO phenomenon", I think you'll find a great many people
>interested in the topic.
The possibility for _science_ has existed for some time. Unfortunately,
it has never been seriously pursued by the mainstream, primarily because
of the false and unfortunate _stigma_ attached to the subject. What I
find ironic is that many scientists who find any suggestion that the
_phenomenon_ should be studied laughable have no problem with current
SETI research. That is absurd.
So don't preach to me about "repeatability".
>Eric DeFonso (astro.as.utexas.edu)
Jim Graham
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From: gerry@cs.cmu.edu (Gerry Roston)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,sci.space,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Dreamland
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In-Reply-To: randall embry's message of Tue, 18 Feb 1992 19:25:55 -050
Randall,
Wake up! Your still dreaming (amd confusing fact with fantasy).
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From: f3w@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mark Gellis)
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Subject: New Topic, or an Old One: Mass Drivers
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Does anyone have any information or sources on mass drivers/linear
accelerators?
I am particularly interested in what might be called "anticipated
performance data"--how massive are they, what kind of payloads will they
move, what kind of power requirements are involved, what kind of acceleration
will we see (100 gees, 2500 gees?), and so on. Also, any news or rumors
about research, planned experiments, etc.?
Thanks in advance.
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From: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: NASA? UFO? FRIDAY NIGHT?
Keywords: stolen videotapes NASA
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>
> Argh!!! I missed it!!!
>
> Did anyone catch the nightly news, I believe on Friday, concerning the
> *stolen* video tape from NASA, which shows a shot from a space shuttle
> flight of 35 disks, and some interesting audio comments from the
> astronauts? - Would be interested in hearing the total (correct?) story!
Which nightly news are you referring to? Local? In what city? More
details, please!
Craig
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From: twpunix@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Tim Parsons)
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Subject: Re: Alibi Mentality
Keywords: mistake, UFOs, psi, creationism
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We could call it "lack of rigorous adherence to the Scientific Method,"
but that doesn't quite roll off the tongue, now does it?
Examples are ubiquitous, though, whatever we call it. This fallacy is
the main point behind the scientific method, which uses controlled conditions
to try to eliminate extraneous explanations.
Tim Parsons
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From: frank@masscomp.westford.ccur.com (Frank Tredeau)
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Subject: Re: Dreamland
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Date: 19 Feb 92 18:18:45 GMT
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In article <1992Feb18.192601.285@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> randall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (randall embry) writes:
>I had this dream about six months ago... I was in a fairly open place,
>and surrounded by people who seemed a little perplexed & angry that I
>didn't remember them. They told me they had met me several times
>before, and that they were real people like me who were dreaming right
>now. It seemed the goal was to try to establish contact with one
>another back in "the real world." My brilliant suggestion was to write
>someone's phone number on my hand, so I guess I blew it. It seemed like
>a fairly lucid dream; I remember sitting at a table at a restaurant, and
>when a waiter came and asked me to leave if I wasn't going to pay, I
>said something like "leave me alone this is my dream" and everyone
>laughed.
That was no dream. That place was New Hampshire.
And you are George Bush.
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sez me
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: Greys,Reptillians,Underground Bases and Planetary Control
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This is one topic covered in a recent Liberator text by Hatonn that
you might find interesting and a bit strong. "Hatonn" is a Pleiadian
Space Commander and it is left up to you the reader to determine
what is presented is valid or not. I make *no* claims on the material.
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** From Phoenix Liberator January 7, 1992 Volume XVII Number 12 **
Topic:REPTILIANS AND LITTLE GRAYS
It is time I confirm and explain the presence of massive underground
systems throughout your globe--which are very "human" oriented and
occupied. You will be told that these installations are headed and run
as a hostage situation--by aliens. Reptilians and Little Grays. BS! Are
there Reptilians and Little Grays present? Indeed! There are massive
numbers of them--all cloned, replicated and terrifying. You will further
be told that they hold your government hostage. More and deeper heaps of
lies--they are produced by the good-will dedication and greedy money
grubbing governments at the control of the Elite Committee of 300 who
operate out of Switzerland and headed by the Royal Crown of England.
These are the Satanic British Zionists originally known as the Serpent
People. This is exactly why the Reptilians will be presented to you as
the ones in control. The Serpent is the symbol of Satan and these ones
have never even bothered to lie to you about their label.
Topic:UNEMPLOYED
Sit quietly for a minute and consider numbers with me, for as these
underground facilities are coming to finished status there are a lot of
suddenly available unemployed. You are showing increased numbers of
unemployed NEW sign-ups of half a million a week. You are talking now of
millions out of work--from where? Yes, from all over, but WHY? How many
people, say, in the area of Lancaster/Palmdale, California, might you
personally know who work in the aerospace industry wherein groups work on
items which are isolated and secret with penalty of death as reward for
tattling? Almost all is done on "need to know" basis and ones are going
to realize they have been working on projects which were so unworldly as
to shock Spielberg. Worse than what appears on the surface, they are
subjected to mandatory testings, physicals, etc., where they are totally
programmed "to forget" what they have seen and heard. I am going to name
some names and places (locations) so that you can check them out as to
authenticity and then you will find it easier to accept truth as it is
unfolded to you. We will start in the local area of Southern California
in the Edwards Air Force Base area extending in a large triangular shape
which includes all the way to Pasadena, Long Beach, Palmdale, Lancaster,
Tehachapi, Mojave, Edwards and China Lake--just for starters. We have
spoken often already about the areas of "51", "72", Dulce, etc., in
Nevada, New Mexico and Arizona so we will leave it to suffice that
duplication is present in those places as well. Ones who have had the
"privilege" of tourist rides into Yucca Mountain to check out the tunnels
for planned nuclear waste sites will not be as shocked as the rest of you
unsuspecting ones. At Yucca Mountain alone there are over 35 major
tunnels which totally catacomb the mountain at all levels as deep as
several miles. There is only one tunnel open for public eyes and it is
impressive enough to stun the eyes and minds of hardened engineers. In
the Palmdale area beneath a "hanger" type building, which actually is
movable on tracks, is a multilayer technology center over eight levels in
depth and the size of a massive city. The workers are mostly
manufactured robotoids and synthetics made for labor with computer
intelligence. Human participants are of the "Ultra top-secret clearance"
personnel. At Edwards launch area in a bluff (butte) called Haystack,
there is an even larger installation underground with incredible beam
pulse systems, aircraft launchers, stealth equipment in coalition with
the Soviet Cosmosphere program with total capability of destroying the
planet in some 15 minutes. Locked into that installation is a massive
underground facility near Tehachapi called The Anthill (Northrup). There
are open silos wherein light laser systems are tested and cosmos-drones
sent out like marching armies to probe electronically. They are like
little basketballs of light running usually to blue and sometimes
golden/orange. These particular installations are carved out with
digging equipment which melts the mind as to possibilities as nothing
stops them--not rock nor metal. They are drills tipped with diamond bits
and carve a 40 ft. tunnel in mere hours. Interconnecting these
installations are high-speed transit rails with "trains" which "fly" on
an electromagnetic system off the ground at incredible speed. There has
been a lot of "blasting", also, but covered by the stories of aircraft
moving through the sound barrier and after a while it simply became that
no-one paid any attention.
Topic:BEINGS INVOLVED
I don't even like to speak much of the Reptilians because they are
dramatically for fear effect. Some are simply beings with leathered type
of covering for protection purposes and are no more than humans in
costume. The Little Grays fit into a different type of category and if
not selectively handled get completely out of control. These are both
comprised of manufactured (soul-less) beings without compassion or
feelings of any type. They are very "strong" physically and the "Grays"
can literally infiltrate into the substance around them, i.e., they can
"float" or disperse through a wall or door, etc. There is a third type
of replicated being made in the form of that which is presented to you on
television as an "Orange". These are computer-bright but basically clone
laborers. These are very human in appearance but too synthetic to fit in
with your citizenry. I am going to remind you--THESE ARE NOT SPACE
ALIENS ALTHOUGH PATTERNED FROM ORIGINAL ALIEN ENTRIES OF EONS PAST. I
hope you are beginning to get the picture, chelas. These are the
adversaries OF GOD and of we, the Hosts. They neither have the technology
to traverse the cosmos nor are they even allowed into the space beyond
the Earth orbiting system at best. These ones are led and controlled by
the entities who would Rule the Earth and they are the reflection of
hybrid, emotionless beings who serve the World Order "Elite". They are
basically Satanic tools and act on direct orders of the controllers.
Topic:WAR OF THE "GODS"
We don't speak of "Gods" as such, but the idea fits. It is the time of
sorting and separation of the participants (players) on the physical orb
called Shan (Earth). It is the time of retrieval of God's children who
are experiencing on the place for all sorts of varying reasons in
soul-growth progression. Evil intends to rule the globe and all things
thereon. But, he has already destroyed the bountiful wonders of the
globe and it cannot continue as is. Therefore, the plan is to take
control through whatever means available--preferably leaving a remnant of
Godly slave laborers and annihilation of other souled beings. This will
be accomplished in two ways. l. He will simply convince the souled
being that God is not who and what He claims to be. Those unthinking
masses will simply be led down the "primrose" paths through the mire of
lies and disbeliefs of truth. These, for the most part, will be called
Christians (by any other label). These ones will be side-tracked into a
belief system which revolves around the human physical being of, say, a
Jesus Christ or Buddha, as adequate examples. They will set their intent
upon denying and "proving" the non-presence of God, Hosts, Goodly Aliens,
etc.--anything of the Spiritual realms of Light. Their whole intent will
claim infinite experience but will be entrapped in total physical and
material matter. 2. He will simply enslave physically those who stand
against him and as ones are no longer useful, they will be slain and/or
used for testing, etc. Disease will wipe out multitudes and then wars
will annihilate millions, famine and exposure will get more and in the
interim, all dissenters will be interned in compounds if they are thought
to be dangerous to "the cause". Ones who go about their business without
great confrontation will be basically left alone if they are in areas
wherein they are no bother.
Topic:GOD WILL NOT INTERFERE
There is full understanding between the higher "commands". Our people are
not to be harmed. This does not mean that ALL know this even though ones
who attempt bodily harm are usually taken out a.s.a.p. by their own
group. The adversary will not risk encounter with my Command. God's
people are "off limits". I suggest you be making very, very sure as to
whether or not you are one of God's people. Don't ask ME! If you don't
know then you better get awfully worried. Does this mean that God's
people will not be caught in anything nasty or negative? No, many of you
will perish and no place, as such, is safer than any other. I can assure
you that you will have colds and flu, get cold and get hot, hungry and
tired just like everyone and anyone else. You WILL be allowed to fulfill
your mission whatever it might entail and you WILL BE RECLAIMED AND
BROUGHT INTO SAFETY AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. There is time left for
action in almost unlimited manner if you utilize that time well. Things
are not in order to the point of desirability on the part of the Planners
so you will simply work within that circumstance in which you find self.
There are still some methods of assisting selves with security in ability
to barter, etc., if you use intelligence. Violence will simply get all
of our workers killed and it will not be tolerated--if I have to tell you
that point then you are going to harm more than serve good. You will be
sly as the serpent and gentle as the dove--dead martyrs serve no one.
Your job is not to fight the war--yours is to bring Truth, put it to
press, assist wherein you can by example without force or undue nagging
for each will have to know for self. We must have a "remnant" and that
means that you of my command will not act in foolishness or you will be
put to the side lest you endanger the entire lift-off program. You will
be given to know your task when appropriate and he who acts in greed will
be put to last. Know that we can beam you up into safety from Mars if
need be. I can get you aboard the Phoenix, for instance, which is far
outside your orbiting place.
Topic:OTHER PLACES IN THE U.S.
There are massive bases in Canada but some of the more important
strategic centers are, of course, around (under) Atlanta and Arkansas. In
some of those areas there were already an underground "alien" race and
massive tunneling complex. There are also ancient tunnels under
Tehachapi, for instance. The military has now tunneled right to the side
of the crystal in Tehachapi and we have now blocked their entry into that
portion of their system. Only a tiny portion of the crystal in point is
allowed the use of Earthians.
Topic:POISON WATER SUPPLY
Other bad news includes a slow and deliberate addition of herbicides into
the water systems of your cities. Most is by accidental seepage from
growing fields at very low levels of toxicity but now covering massive
areas. As water supplies dwindle in the areas stricken by drought there
will be more and more actual toxic response to that pollution. There
will also be virus infection via water systems whereby whole villages and
sections of cities will become ill within hours--simultaneously. The
cover-up is massive and "leakers" or "speakers" are dealt with instantly
by either absolute negation of "law" or injection or by death--mostly the
latter depending on the importance of the "squealer". You have ones in
the local group who are targets who managed to survive all three types of
assault. I will tell you now, it is very difficult to kill one of my
people. Usually the journey to this side is vaguely remembered and
almost always the trip itself is recalled and known at the time and again
remembered at some time later.
Topic:AM I TELLING YOU "IT IS OVER"?
No indeed. I am simply telling you that you must be ready for that next
assault on your beings as we have described it in the past. Remember, I
told you that before you are through, the enemy will blame all things on
aliens to prevent any of you being reclaimed by God--THE BATTLE IS FOR
YOUR SOULS--ONE DIRECTION GIVES TOTAL FREEDOM AND THE OTHER ENSLAVEMENT
AND YOU MUST DECIDE WHICH YOU WILL EXPERIENCE. How many will see through
the facade of the physical illusion and into the co-creatorship which
produced that illusion? When you understand God then you will also
understand that it only requires YOUR decision. It is up to YOU to
choose the gold or the gold-covered lead! Both appear the same and often
the lead covered in gold appears the more shiny and desirable to the
fleshly experience. The lead actually has more value in the higher
experiences. A guide to "clues" is also available to you who will
mentally take a look. The protocols and instructions are in place.
Bridges, passes and area dams are now bombed (mined) and tracking
stations already in place--to keep ones in the area wherein you ARE when
the curtain falls. This means a shut-down of all international travel,
and interstate travel as well, as time passes. The point is to actually
lock you into a small area of location and one in which you can be easily
controlled and accounted for. Note the closure of one airline after
another and note how many of those airline planes are at Mojave! As
surface travel is shut down those parts will be utilized for other types
of vehicles and weapons. The plan, of course, is to allow things to
appear natural in their occurrence--i.e., the markets will fall and you
will be in a depression but always with the prattling that "it is getting
better"--"just a fluctuation". You will be like the Russians--into
disaster without realizing it happened to you. In your confusion you
will get deeper and deeper into the pit until the trap is closed. Then
the government will simply pull out all resources (welfare) and it will
appear most spontaneous because, after all, a government without money
cannot maintain anything. The ignorant will remain ignorant and in
denial until it is over and some will never know differently, much less
admit that what we gave forth was right and correct. Will you go down
without revolution? Probably not, but the bigger gun usually wins,
especially if he has trained himself to be more clever. You, dear ones,
have been uneducated and many of your so-called educated adults can
neither read nor write.
** End of topic **
Don
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
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Subject: Re: Dreamland
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In article <rzchkxgsheaffer@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>
>And in his book "People of the Lie", Peck "proved" that some people
>who appear to have mental illness are really possessed by devils.
>(And this guy is a psychologist!!)
You seem to have made the determination (a priori) that "devils or demons" do
not exist, thus you use that to totally dismiss Mr. Peck's book and his
credibility. A true skeptic would not hold such an opinion (skepticism must
be a two-edged sword to be true skepticism). However, the burden of proof
that such people are possessed by demons is on Peck. Did he present a
compelling case and well document it? If not, then the proper conclusion
that one could say is "Mr. Peck, in my opinion, did not conclusively prove
his thesis that some mentally ill people are possessed by demons." However,
if you cannot show fallacies in how he weaved together the evidence, then you
are not in a position to *authoritatively* dismiss his work (you do have the
right, however, to hold and state any *non-authoritative* opinion that you
like). And, of course, anyone dismissing Mr. Peck's work and/or his
credibility must also put forth a compelling argument to substantiate their
dismissal, otherwise their opinion carries no weight whatsoever.
I have never read any of Mr. Peck's books, nor have I even heard of him. Thus
I am not in a position to establish an opinion on his results nor on the man
himself. If I do study his works, I may come to the opinion that the guy is
out to lunch. However, I cannot make such a determination at this time nor
will I consider what others say about him using non-authoritative opinions,
as Mr. Sheaffer stated in the above posting.
Of course, this is Usenet, and here everything goes. :^)
Jon Noring
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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh 'K' Hopkins)
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Subject: Re: mars Pyramids - what do You think about it?
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ccasm@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:
>> If I'm paying the tax bill, what I favor is a robot IMAX camera where
>> the wind sounds are recorded in 8 channel, dolby, THX, etc. If we did
>> that, then millions could come close to "going" to Mars, without anyone
>> actually going. We have the pictures from Apollo, but they don't convey
>> the awesome feeling of standing on the moon. I want the experience.
>Y O U C A N -
>All you have to do is watch the MARS NAVIGATOR database on the Macintosh PC -
>a touch-screen based videodisk product which is based on the Viking 3 surface
>pictures of the Mars landscape. I think it was Industrial Light and Magic who
>added the 16-bit stereo sound and the 3-d enhancement of the fly-over footage.
I've always been impressed by ILM, but this tops it! They have data from a
probe that never existed! (there were only two Vikings). I've been thinking
about doing something like this for Venus. If anyone has any information
about programming codes, let me know.
Josh Hopkins
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From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
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Subject: Re: Dreamland
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Date: 19 Feb 92 21:57:37 GMT
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Please drop sci.space from the followups to this thread.
Many thanks
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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh 'K' Hopkins)
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Subject: Re: mars Pyramids - what do You think about it?
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>>However, I think many face activists have the wrong impression. NASA was
>>planning to take a picture of the face last I heard. just beacuse they don't
>>make it their top priority doesn't mean that they are conspiring to hide
>>evidence.
>>
>> Josh
>Someone correct me if I'm wrong, with references, but I believe that
>_congress_ gave NASA a _mandate_ to take pictures of Cydonia with the
>Mars Observer.
>It was not NASA's decision.
I've heard this from an unreliable source, but I don't have references for
or against it. The issue isn't all that significant though, unless someone
can prove that NASA was planning to _not_ take a picutre of Cydonia before
congress got involved. MO will go into polar orbit and take pictures of most
of Mars. Just because NASA didn't want to make Cydonia a priority doesn't mean
they planned to go out of their way to avoid taking picuters every time MO
goes over the region.
Josh Hopkins
>Jim Graham
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From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
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Subject: Re: Dreamland
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In article <!cdhsyrnoring@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>You seem to have made the determination (a priori) that "devils or demons" do
>not exist, thus you use that to totally dismiss Mr. Peck's book and his
>credibility.
I been a BAD widdle boy! :)
> And, of course, anyone dismissing Mr. Peck's work and/or his
>credibility must also put forth a compelling argument to substantiate their
>dismissal, otherwise their opinion carries no weight whatsoever.
>
Sorry, that's backwards. Anyone ACCEPTING Peck's conclusion must put forth
a compelling reason why the "devil possession" hypothesis is correct,
and modern science is wrong.
The burden of proof ALWAYS lies on whoever makes extraordinary claims.
--
Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
"The facts can only take you so far in this case.",
- Oliver Stone, discussing "JFK" on CBS-TV's "48 Hours", Feb. 5, 1992
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From: j_gott@rufus.math.nwu.edu (Joe Gottman)
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Subject: Re: Alibi Mentality
Keywords: mistake, UFOs, psi, creationism
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This 'alibi mentallity' could also be called 'Sherlock Holmes's fallacy.'
One of his most famous sayings is "When you have eliminated the impossible,
whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Mycroft would
never have made such a mistake. :)
Joe Gottman
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From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
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Subject: Re: Astronomers & Ufos
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In article <1992Feb19.145046.12281@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>In article <66960@ut-emx.uucp>, defonso@astro.as.utexas.edu (Eric Defonso) writes...
>>In article <1992Feb13.212518.248@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Feb13.193659.22726sheaffer@netcom.COM>, sheaffer@netcom.COM (Robert Sheaffer) writes...
>>>>In article <1992Feb13.024010.13816@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Incidentally, are you aware that Vallee became interested in studying this
>>>phenomenon when he found astronomers destroying observation data of UFO
>>>events that they could not explain?
>>
>>I'm interested to know what type of observation data astronomers had
>>that could possibly have contributed to UFO research in the first place.
>>
>
>_Unidentified_ flying objects comes to mind.
You have re-named the phemonena, not identified data astronomers
might contribute. I can see that they _might_ have observations
and possibly some photographic evidence. They do watch the sky
more often than the rest of us I would think.
>>[ other deletia ]
>>
>>>>So, all you have to do is to convince astronomers, and other scientists,
>>>>that studying UFOs is going to teach us about *anything real*, apart
>>>>from human self-deception!!
>>>
>>>No, not necessarily. The only people that need convincing are those who
>>>might be inquisitive enough to want to know what the phenomenon really,
>>>truly is.
>>
>>Past experience has shown that many times, the phenomenon is something
>>quite explainable in terms of our current knowledge, i.e. weather,
>>hoaxing, etc. Because of this, there is not much enthusiasm among
>
>Absolutely, and there is a large percentage of unknowns remaining.
Curiously, when many people _say_ UFO, they mean _alien spacecraft_.
So what they are talking about is not an unknown deserving of study,
but those darn aliens.
>>scientists to pursue the subject when so much *real* science can be
>>done in the meantime.
>
>"Real" science? Define this in such a way that it directly contradicts
>what I have been claiming.
>
>>I presume that the people who are already "working" on the problem
>>will let us know if they ever come up with anything substantive.
>>
>>>
>>>Only those who are interested in establishing the truth
>>>about this phenomenon need apply.
Need there be a single TRVTH? Or even just one phenomenon? I thought
we were dealing with an unknown? Hopefully I have guessed correctly
who originally said this.
>>
>>Only those who have the time and money to spend on wild goose
>>chases, basing conclusions on anecdotal information and ignoring
>>the problem of unrepeatability need apply.
>
>My statement about "truth" stands.
I tend to think that there is no truth, just different points of
view.
>What you are asking for is "repeatability" of a _particular_ sighting.
>
>What I have been talking about is the _phenomenon_ in a collective sense.
>
>That is undeniable. That is worth studying.
As many believe, and many do not.
>
>Simple question: You want repeatability. Show me how you can, in a
>laboratory environment, _predict_ exactly which atom will divide in
>a nuclear fission reaction. Show me a real, honest to goodness
>black hole.
This seems to be a straw-man argument. The truth or falsity of the
above has no bearing upon the value of studying the "UFO phenomenon".
Nevertheless, fission, while not predictable, is quite repeatable,
and the rate can be measured. Now if only UFO observations were as
repeatable, this thread would never have existed. And there is
a pretty good theoretical basis behind black holes. What theory
perdicts UFO`s?
>Then, show me how I can repeat the same experiments and get the same
>results.
Is that not for those who claim that UFO are worth the study to
show?
>The bottom line is that you can't. You can show me effects that point
>to these things, but you can't _show_ me these "things".
>
>In like manner, I and others claim that the UFO _phenomenon_ is real.
No argument, but where do we go from here? This alone is not
sufficient.
>Evidence for the _phenomenon_ exists. Evidence for a particular "UFO"
>(whatever that may be) does not.
A flying saucer might be studied. How does one study a phenomenon?
>Now, let me rephrase the above....
>
>"Evidence for the phenomenon of nuclear fission exists. Evidence that
>atom #1E37 is going to split does not.
>
>Do you see my point?
I see your point. But things with boring repeatability have never
been that difficult to study.
>>>BTW: Has it ever occurred to you that you may be limiting the sciences by
>>>allowing the study of only those things that would contribute to _known_
>>>fields (such as astronomy, biology, etc.)? Is it not possible that a
>>>study of the _phenomena_ may yield an entirely _new_ science?
>>
>>I for one wouldn't call astronomy a "known" science, although I
>>think I know what you mean. I agree with you in principle, actually -
>>but until there is at least some measure of real recurrence,
>>I don't think it's very sensible at all to pursue that avenue.
>>It involves an unjustifiable allocation of resources that I cannot
>>accept.
>
>Justifiability is a purely subjective thing in the sciences (usually).
>It's a straw man. If you're fighting for money, it matters. If you're
>in pursuit of _answers_ to unanswered questions, it's meaningless.
I think that the requirements to eat and pay the rent might
just possibly make it into the objective category. Unless you
make a living doing something else, and study the phenomenon on
your own.
>>>Don't misunderstand me. I'm not implying that we should study the
>>>phenomenon for the sake of creating a new science. But, by limiting
>>
>>There's nothing wrong with *developing* a new science; unless
>>you're trying to make one where there is no scientific method
>>of inquiry to begin with.
>
>Such as? You imply that there is no scientific method in the study of
>the UFO phenomenon. That is blatantly false. Would you care to provide
>evidence of this?
It is not possible to _prove_ that a thing does not exist.
Rather, the problem here is defining just what the phenomenon
is. Right now all we have is the 'phenomenon' label, and claims
of alien spacecraft. Would you care to try to get funding
based upon this?
>>
>>>our research to those things we already know about or we are sure will
>>>contribute only to _known_ fields is, well...., limiting.
>>
>>When the possibility for real science arises in regard to the
>>"UFO phenomenon", I think you'll find a great many people
>>interested in the topic.
>
>The possibility for _science_ has existed for some time. Unfortunately,
>it has never been seriously pursued by the mainstream, primarily because
>of the false and unfortunate _stigma_ attached to the subject. What I
>find ironic is that many scientists who find any suggestion that the
>_phenomenon_ should be studied laughable have no problem with current
>SETI research. That is absurd.
While I think the chances of SETI working are so slim as to
make it a wasted effort, how does one compare SETI to a conspiricy
theory, and find an absurdity. Also you claim we have a UFO
'phenomenon', not alien intelligence, how do you reconcile that
with the clear implication that UFO are extraterrestial
intelligences above?
>So don't preach to me about "repeatability".
>
>>Eric DeFonso (astro.as.utexas.edu)
>
>Jim Graham
>
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
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Subject: Should there be less hostility towards new ideas and theories?
Summary: We should have more open-minded skepticism.
Keywords: Open-minded skepticism
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It all started from another thread:
In article sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>>You seem to have made the determination (a priori) that "devils or demons" do
>>not exist, thus you use that to totally dismiss Mr. Peck's book and his
>>credibility.
>
>I been a BAD widdle boy! :)
>
>> And, of course, anyone dismissing Mr. Peck's work and/or his
>>credibility must also put forth a compelling argument to substantiate their
>>dismissal, otherwise their opinion carries no weight whatsoever.
>>
>Sorry, that's backwards. Anyone ACCEPTING Peck's conclusion must put forth
>a compelling reason why the "devil possession" hypothesis is correct,
>and modern science is wrong.
I can agree with that, but I also still hold the original view. A small
point: I believe (and this carries no weight, just my uneducated opinion :^) )
that the existence of intelligent beings beyond the ability of our present-day
scientific instruments to detect does not necessarily run counter to modern
science. Saying it another way, the existence of "demons" and modern science
are not in conflict. You'd have to elaborate on this, and define what you
mean by modern science.
>
>The burden of proof ALWAYS lies on whoever makes extraordinary claims.
Most Definitely. We totally agree here.
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(WARNING: I just can't take it anymore - it's been building for a long time -
this was the straw that broke the camels back! I got to get on my soapbox and
get it off my chest.)
The rest of us, including me, should maintain a healthy, not an unhealthy
skepticism about alternative scientific theories. Unhealthy is accepting as
dogma everything we're taught, including present-day scientific theories, and
thus *arbitrarily* rejecting new theories if they seem too far away from
present-day thinking. This, taken to its logical conclusion, can lead to
oppression, suppression and censorship of those who put forth new ideas
(e.g., Galileo, who suffered under religious-scientific dogma of his day).
Of course, I demand to be shown substantiating evidence and arguments, and the
burden of proof is on the presenter; but I will give a *non-hostile*, even a
friendly, forum to anyone who puts forth theories and conjectures that run
counter to present-day thinking, no matter how bizarre. Only by fostering
such an open climate can we maximize the creativity of our scientists and
scholars, and to advance scientific understanding; a hostile climate to new
ideas will only stifle many (and fortunately not all) from working on and
presenting such new conjectures, ideas and theories, and thus stifle scientific
understanding itself.
And why do I say this? Well, it's pretty obvious from reading many postings
on Usenet that many (but not all) scientists and engineers are fairly
intolerant (read: hostile) of ideas and theories that run counter to what they
were taught and now believe. And they will go through incredible effort to
act on their hostility and attempt to suppress any scholarly discussion. Of
course, I ask, why the hostility? (Maybe a psychologist can answer this.)
I myself experienced hostility against me for posting the Bearden papers to
sci.physics and alt.sci.physics.new-theories (I admit the conjectures given in
them are different, to say the least, and I have not formed a final opinion on
these conjectures - in fact that is why I posted them so those in the physics
community could give valuable feedback). A few physicists gave me some useful
feedback (thanks!) on Bearden's conjectures; these people I highly applaud
for rising above their emotions and giving constructive criticism. However,
I received about 20 extremely hostile replies basically telling me to "keep
that shit off this newsgroup"; I wouldn't be surprised if several did not
even read the abstracts to the papers before determining that they were "shit".
I'm sure that others could give many more and better examples of scientific
intolerance, both past and present. I'd also like to get feedback as to how
institutionalized scientific intolerance is today.
(I now climb down from my soapbox fully relieved to get it off my chest.)
Anyway, that's my $0.03 worth (inflation, you know).
Jon Noring "the open-minded skeptical scientist"
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From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
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Subject: Re: Dreamland
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Date: 19 Feb 92 23:36:38 GMT
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In article <!cdhsyrnoring@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>In article <rzchkxgsheaffer@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>>
>>And in his book "People of the Lie", Peck "proved" that some people
>>who appear to have mental illness are really possessed by devils.
>>(And this guy is a psychologist!!)
>
>You seem to have made the determination (a priori) that "devils or demons" do
>not exist, thus you use that to totally dismiss Mr. Peck's book and his
>credibility. A true skeptic would not hold such an opinion (skepticism must
A skeptic is a doubter, someone who says things like "show me". A true
skeptic would believe nothing that has not been demonstrated, and then
doubt the demonstration.
What exactly do you mean when you use the word skeptic? It is not a
sword, of any description as far as I know, and it has no edge.
Please elucidate.
>be a two-edged sword to be true skepticism). However, the burden of proof
>that such people are possessed by demons is on Peck. Did he present a
The value of any such proof would not be all that great unless it had
already been demonstrated that demons exist. To my knowledge, the existance
of demons has been claimed for thousands of years, but proof has been
sadly lacking for those who do not believe in them already. Along similiar
lines I have heard much about magic, but I have not seen magic of the
same type demonstrated. The stage magicians put on a better show.
>compelling case and well document it? If not, then the proper conclusion
>that one could say is "Mr. Peck, in my opinion, did not conclusively prove
>his thesis that some mentally ill people are possessed by demons." However,
>if you cannot show fallacies in how he weaved together the evidence, then you
>are not in a position to *authoritatively* dismiss his work (you do have the
Who would you say is in an _authoritative_ position to talk about demons?
Will they provide proof? And by what agency would they be an authority?
>right, however, to hold and state any *non-authoritative* opinion that you
>like). And, of course, anyone dismissing Mr. Peck's work and/or his
>credibility must also put forth a compelling argument to substantiate their
>dismissal, otherwise their opinion carries no weight whatsoever.
>
>I have never read any of Mr. Peck's books, nor have I even heard of him. Thus
I have one book, but have yet to read it. Z transforms come first right now.A
>I am not in a position to establish an opinion on his results nor on the man
>himself. If I do study his works, I may come to the opinion that the guy is
>out to lunch. However, I cannot make such a determination at this time nor
>will I consider what others say about him using non-authoritative opinions,
>as Mr. Sheaffer stated in the above posting.
>
>Of course, this is Usenet, and here everything goes. :^)
>
>Jon Noring
>
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>"If you make $50,000 today, you have the same buying power as the average
>coal miner did in 1949, adjusted for taxes and inflation," John Sestina,
>nationally recognized Certified Financial Planner; quoted in 1987.
Rich
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From: press2@cbnewsd.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Shriek of the Looney --Part One--
Message-ID: <1992Feb20.025553.10602@cbnewsd.att.com>
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I thought the Pleidians were duped by the purple shades of
grey whom introduced decaf into their coffee magazines(storage
areas) without their knowledge. The loss of buzz caused the
Pleid's to grow soft and lazy, wherein the PSoG were able to
chase them off the planet and inhabit it themselves.
Thus the Pleid's ran into planet earth, where they cultivated
their precious brew once again. Many eons later did they
realize what happened to them, and decided to develop humans
to guard their magazines against further sabatoget such a far fetched
>idea. It's the rage the world around ane we certainly have as many regional
>differences as counties that are breaking up now. There's a serious movement
>in Alaska now calling for sessation and California would clearly be better
>off without us.
>
>Look at LA. You had Koreans defending their stores at gun point and, a couple
>of more nights, the skin heads would have come out. Sooner if a black gang
>had decided to press the idea of movement into white neighboorhoods. So,
>while I don't think it's a conspiracy, the ideas in this post weren't so
>far off (except for the part about Bush/Quayle being in office next year.)
>
>\>Duane
>
> Bill Moore billy%anasaz.UUCP@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (602) 395-1732
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what was the original post on this invasion thing anyway?
can someone email me the original or repost this alien invasion thing??
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
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Subject: Re: Hatton: CIA or ET
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Date: 6 Aug 92 10:04:47 GMT
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Oh my! Fradulent channelers! How do we distinguish between the real
thing and Brand X?
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