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My opinions are my own, don't you dare give someone else credit for them!
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From: mds@netmbx.netmbx.de (Michael Such)
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:32:24 GMT
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In article <14jvecINNaa8@agate.berkeley.edu> clune@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Clune) writes:
>A while back, some astronomers noticed some jets associated with galaxies that
>"appeared" to exceed the speed of light. The simple resolution of this paradox
>is relevant to this discussion.
>
>Suppose a ship takes off from a star 10 light years away, and heads straight
>toward Earth. Lets assume the ship quickly attains the speed of 90%
>of the speed of light (relative to the earth).
>At first we on Earth see nothing. In fact only after ten years do we see
>the ship take off. (Of course being scientists, we can then infer the original
>departure time by extrapolation.). The ship reaches us 11.1 years after
>its departure. Hence, a naive observer on the Earth "sees" the ship travel
>10 light years in only 1.1 years. There is no contradiction with relativity
>here.
>
>In fact, by playing with the numbers one can arrange situations
>in which arbitrarily high speeds are "observed". Once the propagation speed
>of the light we are using for observation is taken into account though, all
>relative velocities will be found to be less than the speed of light (according to
>special relativity, which seems prettyy well established by experiment).
>
>- Tom
>
I had an interesting thought...
If a vehicle came towards us faster than the speed of light, we would
only see it after it had passed us, and it would appear to go backwards
right?
I don't know no anything about relativity, but here's another thought...
You stick a person into a (say) faster than light subway. the subway
travels at (say) twice the speed of light and you give him some sandwiches
and some tea and tell him to stay on the tube for ten years, after which
he can get off, now what happens when the subway reaches the final station
after ten years (train time), does a guy get off who is ten years older
and find that a lot of older people are wondering why the train decided to
keep on going for 100 years, or is it that the train stops after 2 years
and a man who is 2 years older see's a lot of people who are 10 years
older? or wouldn't this work on a subway?
Mike
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NETMBX - Berlin, Germany
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From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
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Subject: Re: Tachyons (was Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
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In article <1992Jul23.105148.13665@kth.se>, tordm@vana (Tord Malmgren) writes...
>
> as far as I understood Einstein's relativity it was only valid with speeds
>less than "c", and what happened with speeds larger than "c" it could not
>predict, so as far as I understand these Tachyons need not possess imaginary
>mass at all; maybe they could be real, but how they got into that state no
>theory tells us...
Not so. There is a very nice entry in the sci.physics faq (I should know -
I wrote it!) on the subject of tachyons. I recommend it to all.
-Scott
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Scott I. Chase "The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV that if I should come to life after my death
and some mathematician were to tell me that it
had been definitely settled, I think I would
immediately drop dead again." - Vandiver
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From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY)
Subject: Re: The Prime Directive
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In article <62609@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Everybody: I don't have time to say much. A person by the name
>of Kumar in Germany has been sending me E-mail and my E-mail has not
>been getting back to him so I sent him a telepathic message. He wrote
>me yesterday that he was aware of me sending him a telepathic message
>and that I had woken him up and had also appeared in his dreams. This
>has happened to me and other people before. On sunday and monday nights
>I did a little warm up astral projection. Remember tonight at 1100 PM
>it the time we'll do the experiment.
>John Winston.
that's AMAZING! Kumar has been appearing in MY dreams too! though in the
guise of a shoe salesman trying to sell filet mignon to sandinista rebels
with inflamed salvatory glands!!
what could this mean?
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From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: The Prime Directive
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cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
>In article <62609@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>Dear Everybody: I don't have time to say much. A person by the name
>>of Kumar in Germany has been sending me E-mail and my E-mail has not
>>been getting back to him so I sent him a telepathic message. He wrote
>>me yesterday that he was aware of me sending him a telepathic message
>>and that I had woken him up and had also appeared in his dreams. This
>>has happened to me and other people before. On sunday and monday nights
>>I did a little warm up astral projection. Remember tonight at 1100 PM
>>it the time we'll do the experiment.
>>John Winston.
>
>that's AMAZING! Kumar has been appearing in MY dreams too! though in the
>guise of a shoe salesman trying to sell filet mignon to sandinista rebels
>with inflamed salvatory glands!!
>
>what could this mean?
I think it means you need to lay off the medication for a few weeks.
(BTW - John Winston has been appearing in my dreams too. He is usually
wearing leather and has a Golden retreiver and about 10 containers of
whipped cream with him. Scares the shit out of me).
C Frog
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Subject: Re: zeta reticuli?
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In article <nxgmw=f@lynx.unm.edu>, cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes:
> In article <BrtoGA.Eov@watdragon.waterloo.edu> jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
>>
>> A supernova within 40 lightyears would be very very obvious
>>(Apparent magnitude of ~ -21ish, I think) and could also be very very
>>bad, wrt our current ecosystem. None of the ZR stars are SN candidates,
>>though.
>>
>> James Nicoll
>
> Another thing to think about is if the star had been a supernovae
> candidate it would have been a red giant. Which means that (a) it
> would have been around apparent mag -6 or so and (b) it would have
> engulfed or nearly engulfed any planets with orbtial radii similar
> to the earth's (ie the range of orbital radii within which it is
> thought necessary for a planet to have to be habital.)
>
> Ithlial
Just to be the >:-)> advocate: would not the "comfort zone" for planetary
radii be moved outward for a star massive enough to become a red giant?
Not that the fact that the star turned into a red giant would not destroy
the environment of any habitable planet no matter what its orbital radii
was (or that such a star would not stick around long enough to evovle
higher life.)
Thomas Freebairn * I wish I had an employer
* whose opinions mine were not.
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From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Re: The Prime Directive
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In article <1992Jul23.182915.22178@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
|> In article <cass8806.108@elan.glassboro.edu>
|> cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
|> >In article <62609@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> >
|> >>Dear Everybody: I don't have time to say much. A person by the name
|> >>of Kumar in Germany has been sending me E-mail and my E-mail has not
|> >>been getting back to him so I sent him a telepathic message. He wrote
|> >>me yesterday that he was aware of me sending him a telepathic message
|> >>and that I had woken him up and had also appeared in his dreams. This
|> >>has happened to me and other people before. On sunday and monday nights
|> >>I did a little warm up astral projection. Remember tonight at 1100 PM
|> >>it the time we'll do the experiment.
|> >>John Winston.
|> >
|> >that's AMAZING! Kumar has been appearing in MY dreams too! though in the
|> >guise of a shoe salesman trying to sell filet mignon to sandinista rebels
|> >with inflamed salvatory glands!!
|> >
|> >what could this mean?
|>
|> I think it means you need to lay off the medication for a few weeks.
|>
|> (BTW - John Winston has been appearing in my dreams too. He is usually
|> wearing leather and has a Golden retreiver and about 10 containers of
|> whipped cream with him. Scares the shit out of me).
|>
|> C Frog
I had a dream that grey empaths dressed in black had taken over New
Jersey.....
Mike
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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
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Subject: Re: The Prime Directive
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In-reply-to: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu's message of 23 Jul 92 17:53:38 GMT
In article <cass8806.108@elan.glassboro.edu> cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
In article <62609@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Everybody: I don't have time to say much. A person by the name
>of Kumar in Germany has been sending me E-mail and my E-mail has not
>been getting back to him so I sent him a telepathic message. He wrote
>me yesterday that he was aware of me sending him a telepathic message
>and that I had woken him up and had also appeared in his dreams. This
>has happened to me and other people before. On sunday and monday nights
>I did a little warm up astral projection. Remember tonight at 1100 PM
>it the time we'll do the experiment.
>John Winston.
that's AMAZING! Kumar has been appearing in MY dreams too! though in the
guise of a shoe salesman trying to sell filet mignon to sandinista rebels
with inflamed salvatory glands!!
what could this mean?
Either:
The owls are not what they seem
or:
John_-_Winston is a bit of underdone potato(e)
-30-
Bob
``We're searching the universe for habitable life.''
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From: kiernan@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Elaine Kiernan)
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Subject: UFO books
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Hi folks,
I'd like to read some good books on UFO's etc.
What's your favorite UFO book?
The kind of book I'd like to find has objective accounts
of "what happened" e.g. abductees' experiences, eyewitness accounts,
etc. I'm not really interested in theories or philosophies,
just the facts, know what I mean?
Anyway, it would be interesting to see what everyone
has read! Thanks!
Live long and prosper,
Elaine
kiernan@koa.ifa.hawaii.edu
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From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
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In article <62660@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
>
>Are not the effects of mass (and therefore gravity) instantaneously permeated
>thoughout the (known) universe? Or hasn't this issue been resolved? I'm not
>a physicist, so consider this as lay speculation/conjecture; I visit SLAC and
>other such places, and I'm in awe of the experiments they conduct.
>
>Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com ]
The idea behind special relativity is that information cannot be conveyed
from place to place at a velocity exceeding the speed of light. Since
gravity betrays the presence of matter its effects cannot propogate
faster than the speed of light. Another way to look at it that gravity
like other forces is conveyed by bosons. Bosons, depending on if they
are massive or not travel at the below or at the speed of light
respectively.
P.S. We have a pretty nice accelerator here at LAMPF/LANL (Los Alamos
Meson Physics Facilty/Los Alamos Nat'l Labs)
cary@dsirae.lampf.lanl.gov
My opinions, mine, mine, mine!
To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
and the dancers hit eachother.
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From: warlock@spuddy.uucp (Sean Eaton)
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If a.a.v. is split up, all that will happen is that many
articles will get cross-posted to every group in the
alien sub-heirachy. This will be especailly true for
talk.religion.newage posters who add a.a.v onto the end
of the Newsgroups: line almost by default, it seems; and
for those who insist on posting replies to private e-mail
to the net instead of mailing the user directly.
I'll wager these "off subject" and private messages
will be posted to all groups.
Think about it: five identical copies of a message starting
"Dear Fred:" ? I think you get my drift ...
No; a.a.v. should stay as it is for the moment.
-Sean.
asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk | warlock%spuddy@uknet.ac.uk
-Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatus nunc-
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From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani)
Subject: Re: Why America ?
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In article <1992Jul23.114610@axion.bt.co.uk>, achaplin@axion.bt.co.uk (Anthony Chaplin) writes: (I fixed the wrapping lines. L.S.)
|>
|> I have a question for all you Phoenix Project fans out there
|>
|> Why America, why not the old Soviet Union ?
|>
|> Think about it logically,
|>
|> 1. Russia has vast tracks of barren, unpopulated lands. Compared to
|> Russia the remote places in America really aren't that remote.
|>
|> 2. Russia's air traffic control and radar network is much less
|> comphensive than the USA's, therefore the aliens could come and go more
|> easily..
|>
|> 3. Russia, during the cold war was far behind the technology of the west
|> and so would be willing to pay a higher price for alien technology ?
|>
|> 4. People could be silenced much more easily in the old Soviet Union than
|> they could in the USA (except if your name was Silkwood !)
|>
|> Therefore if these supposed aliens had observed the earth they would have
|> found the Old Soviet Union a much more inviting place to build K-2 ??
|>
|> But let me guess they do use the Soviet Union for bases, and someone somewhere
|> (who also forgot his camera) has seen it !
|>
|> Don't get me wrong I don't have a closed mind to aliens (otherwise I wouldn't
|> subscript to this newsgroup) but massive alien bases in the USA ?
|>
|> Cheers
|>
|> Tony
|> achaplin@axion.bt.co.uk
Perhaps the base is very old. K2 might have seemed like a great place 1000
years ago. Additionally, there is no reason to believe that K2 is the *only*
base on earth. There could be 100s all over the place.
Oh darn. I forgot to say "alleged bases" :^)
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From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
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Subject: Re: NASA's Block of Ice!
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In article <1992Jul23.131612.26963@ucc.su.OZ.AU> jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jason Haines) writes:
>Firstly, to see an object change its direction of motion so radically is
>an indication of intelligent control, especially when you see that it did so
>to avoid proximity with a high speed object, be it a meteor or a rail-gun...
When the wind blows leaves change direction fairly radically but this
hardly means they're intelligent. When a stray asteroid gets too
close to Jupiter it gets captured, but I would not ascribe it or Jupiter
any great intellect for the act.
>
>Secondly, the report on hard copy was pretty superficial, they had no
>scientists to provide a professional opinion of the video...
>
>Despite this, I must say that this video sequence show's the most significant
>UFO in decades.
>
PAS!
>I'd like to see more discussion of this important piece of evidence.
>Jason Haines - System Operator, MacInTouch BBS (02) 743-5997
>(TeleFinder Based)
>jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU
Ok here's the scoop Jason. Ice routinely builds up on various parts
of any space vehicle using refrigerated liquids like liquid oxygen
and hydrogen. Some of it comes loose and follows the shuttle (or
whatever) in orbit. This phenomenon is well documented (John Glenn's
fireflies.) The shuttles have numerous small maneuvering jets
to maintain its attitude in orbit, these jets are often controlled by
by the computer which fires them when the shuttle drifts to far
out of the desired attitude. Anyhow when one of these fires it
shoots out a plume of gas. Like a leaf in the wind, ice chunks,
when hit with the exhaust of 800 lb thrust jets will change direction
rather radically.
I think that people need to develope their critical thinking skills
a bit.
Ithlial
My opinions, mine, mine, mine!
I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash
is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash
stuff, then, when some comes up, act like they just woke up and go,
"What, was THAT?!"
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From: leo@zelator.in-berlin.de (Stefan Hartmann)
Subject: Re: NASA's Block of Ice!
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In <1992Jul23.144101.29930@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
>Jason,[you write]:
>>Despite this, I must say that this video sequence show's the most
>significant
>>UFO in decades.
>>I'd like to see more discussion of this important piece of evidence.
>If you look back when this story first aired here in the U.S., you will
>find a tedious amount of discussion on the piece of ice/UFO. Also check the
>alt.skeptics newsgroup.
>I also have a question for you folks DOWN UNDER.(That's AUSTRAILIA for
>those of you who don't know where down under is.) I recall that about 3-4
>years ago that
>an egg shaped craft buzzed a family in a car on some highway down there. As
>I recall there was some material released by the craft & it was retrieved
>by the occupants of the vehicle. The material was brought in for analysis &
>that was the last I ever heard about it. I think a fishing boat offshore
>also reported
>seeing the craft about an hour later. There was quite a bit of news on the
>incident back then, but as most news stories go , the press never really
>follows up.
>Rod
>--
>Rod Beckwith |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>Datacom I/S |"The great obstacle of progress is not ignorance,
>rodb@corp.sgi.com|but the illusion of knowledge."
Hi,
this UFO accident what You mentioned was in Adelaine, Sothern
Australia !
I heard about it too and still have a newspaper article about it !
Well, the UFO shook a car and the family which was driving in this car
did hide near the car.
When they came back, when the UFO left, there was some black ashes
all over the top of the car !
This ashes should be investigated by some chemical lab, but I never
heard of any results !
Did anybody hear about the results of the chemical test ?
Please send email as a reply to me, cause I am from tommorrow on
2 weeks on vaccation (holidays)!
Best regards, Stefan Hartmann.
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Does anyone have an opinion as to whether the Bigfoot legend may be
connected with alien visitors?
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From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Subject: Re: Is Bigfoot a Visitor?
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Wright State University,[you write]
>Does anyone have an opinion as to whether the Bigfoot legend may be
>connected with alien visitors?
I feel that it might be possible & here is my reason why.....
About 5 years ago myself & my X were camping at Whiskeytown Lake near Mt.
Shasta
in Northern California.We arrived at around 130am so everyone in the area
was asleep. Her parents set up the tent before we arrived so we didn't have
to set it up.(Thank Goodness) Our tent was one of those Bigtop style
montsers that has a very large opening for a door. I think its dimensions
were 10'X12'.At any rate
the door of the tent was facing the water,we were approximately 10-15' away
from the water with NO OBSTRUCTIONS.There were quite a few campers in the
area . It was surprisingly warm,so much so that we decided to sleep with
the outer doors rolled back & tied with nothing but the bug net screen door
between us & the outside world.
It must have been 200am by the time we finally went to sleep.I am a very
HEAVY
sleeper.....I mean anti-aircraft fire could be going off next door & I
won't wake up,on the other hand, My X was a very light sleeper. I am very
slow person to wake up also.It's like being born every day of my life,a
struggle.
What happened next was one of a few strange things that has happened to me
in my life.I'm not sure exactly what time it was but it was pre-sunrise(you
know when the sun has not come up over the horizen but the light begins to
dominate over the darkness.Well like I said , I never wake up but that
morning I woke out of a dead sleep & sat strait UP! Looked out of the
screen door to see to my amazement
7-10' creature standing about 5-6' away......staring at me.I could not
really see its eyes but it was apparently facing my direction. I then
rubbed my eyes violently & took a second look.....HOLY SHIT this thing is
still standing there motionless.Boy the butterflies in my stomach felt like
bats racing through my innards,man was I scared.I could see the outline of
hair all over its body,(like Chewbacca from Star Wars)except for its legs.
The legs were covered with
scales/plates or body armor type stuff,it was not light enough to get a
real
good look at it..too strange. I then after about what seemed like forever
(probably more like 30 seconds) I turned to my X and tried to wake her up
to see this thing. She would not wake up & I shook her pretty good. Finally
she came around but she was really groggy. I then turned back around to
show her this thing but it was G-O-N-E. No sound of footsteps or
anything....just gone. My X was not to happy that I woke her up & went back
to sleep. I ,on the other had was pretty shook up. I didn't like the idea
that a BIG critter could just materialize in our campsite & then just
vanish. I never got the feeling it was trying to communicate with me or
anything like that. I did not get up to go & check it out,,which was
strange cause normally I am a curious person.I finally made it back to
sleep.What a night!!
In closing I would like to say that although no one else had seen (I asked
alot of people )this thing in the area I believe it was real. The silouette
sticks in my mind very clearly to this day.Very odd experience.
BTW roughly 2 weeks later both my X & I woke up with bloody noses at the
same time.(& no we didn't bump heads in the middle of the night.)
Rod
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From: wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck)
Subject: Re: astral travel
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In <1992Jul22.231809.1936@mprgate.mpr.ca> spani@mprgate.mpr.ca
(Leonard Spani) writes: >
In article <1992Jul22.193835.3751@acd4.acd.com>, wdo@TEFS1.acd.com
(Bill Overpeck) writes: |>
|> John, many of us here are interested in the relationship between
|> astral travel (out of body experiences) and near death experiences.
|>
|> When you are traveling in the astral plane (assuming that such
|> travel is not possible in the physical plane), is this accomplished
|> via an astral "body" or is this a purely non-physical experience.
|>
|> What is your opinion of near death experiences? Are such events
|> merely the first occurrence (for most people) of the astral body
|> leaving the physical body?
|>
|> Bill, Scot, Keith, Aaron, George, and Lubbe
>Could you please take this discussion to email or a more appropriate
>newsgroup? (alt.oobe, alt.paranormal, talk.religion.newage, etc...)
We don't get alt.oobe at our site, Leonard, but we'll go to alt.para-
normal (despite the well known fact that most abductions are accomplished
on the astral plane).
Bill, Scot, Keith, Aaron, George, and Lubbe
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From: curmi@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Jamie Paul CURMI)
Subject: Re: Egg shaped craft down under (3-4 years ago)
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rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
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>I also have a question for you folks DOWN UNDER.(That's AUSTRAILIA for
>those of you who don't know where down under is.) I recall that about 3-4
>years ago that
>an egg shaped craft buzzed a family in a car on some highway down there. As
>I recall there was some material released by the craft & it was retrieved
>by the occupants of the vehicle. The material was brought in for analysis &
>that was the last I ever heard about it. I think a fishing boat offshore
>also reported
>seeing the craft about an hour later. There was quite a bit of news on the
>incident back then, but as most news stories go , the press never really
>follows up.
Hi!
Yeah, I followed this story very closely at the time. It happened just as
Hinch started his new show on 7 (Hinch at 7, on 7 ;-), and Hinch quickly
organised interviews with the entire family.
The car had some really good dents and scrapes on it I believe.
It was reported that the silvery/black material found on and in the car was
analysed...and after an awful long time the lab people said it was dust from
their brakes or something similar due to their brakes.
This whole thing seemed a little weird (not the story, but the analysis &
the way everything went really strange and quiet about this incident). I'm
not trying to imply a coverup (ok...maybe I am \(^_^)/ ), but this
poor family got treated like shit soon after they told their story.
A number of weeks later (possibly months even) the family were once again
interviewed (well, more like a very brief chat). The mother said that since
the incident people had harrased her, and called her a lier, and treated
the whole family pretty badly. She said she wished she had never told
anyone this story, and was visibly upset by the whole affair. That was
the last I heard.
Local Oz Scientists suggested they were hit by lightning, and the usual
scientist type response to anything unusual (oh...it was ball lightning,
a weather balloon, you imagined it all...etc). I don't know what it was..
it may well have been something quite natural....but the family said the
UFO grabbed the car, and tried to lift it off the ground, and that they
could see a glowing egg shaped thingy, bashing against the roof.
By the way, a number of ufo reports came in from Queensland last night...
a light in the sky, moving from the west (?), hovering above, then moving
back from where it came. One person described it as a flying camp-fire
(that's a new one....hard to imagine....perhaps a Grey Boy Scout :-).
Anyone else hear about this report.
It seems a lot of UFO's are being reported down under lately. Have the
Greys only just discovered Australia? (bit like you Americans....NO.. there
are NO kangaroos jumpin' around my back garden, or in my street!!!! ;-)
Jamie
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From: mds@netmbx.netmbx.de (Michael Such)
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
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In article <14jvecINNaa8@agate.berkeley.edu> clune@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Clune) writes:
>A while back, some astronomers noticed some jets associated with galaxies that
>"appeared" to exceed the speed of light. The simple resolution of this paradox
>is relevant to this discussion.
>
>Suppose a ship takes off from a star 10 light years away, and heads straight
>toward Earth. Lets assume the ship quickly attains the speed of 90%
>of the speed of light (relative to the earth).
>At first we on Earth see nothing. In fact only after ten years do we see
>the ship take off. (Of course being scientists, we can then infer the original
>departure time by extrapolation.). The ship reaches us 11.1 years after
>its departure. Hence, a naive observer on the Earth "sees" the ship travel
>10 light years in only 1.1 years. There is no contradiction with relativity
>here.
>
>In fact, by playing with the numbers one can arrange situations
>in which arbitrarily high speeds are "observed". Once the propagation speed
>of the light we are using for observation is taken into account though, all
>relative velocities will be found to be less than the speed of light (according to
>special relativity, which seems prettyy well established by experiment).
>
>- Tom
>
I had an interesting thought...
If a vehicle came towards us faster than the speed of light, we would
only see it after it had passed us, and it would appear to go backwards
right?
I don't know no anything about relativity, but here's another thought...
You stick a person into a (say) faster than light subway. the subway
travels at (say) twice the speed of light and you give him some sandwiches
and some tea and tell him to stay on the tube for ten years, after which
he can get off, now what happens when the subway reaches the final station
after ten years (train time), does a guy get off who is ten years older
and find that a lot of older people are wondering why the train decided to
keep on going for 100 years, or is it that the train stops after 2 years
and a man who is 2 years older see's a lot of people who are 10 years
older? or wouldn't this work on a subway?
Mike
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From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
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In article <1992Jul23.105148.13665@kth.se>, tordm@vana (Tord Malmgren) writes...
>
> as far as I understood Einstein's relativity it was only valid with speeds
>less than "c", and what happened with speeds larger than "c" it could not
>predict, so as far as I understand these Tachyons need not possess imaginary
>mass at all; maybe they could be real, but how they got into that state no
>theory tells us...
Not so. There is a very nice entry in the sci.physics faq (I should know -
I wrote it!) on the subject of tachyons. I recommend it to all.
-Scott
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and some mathematician were to tell me that it
had been definitely settled, I think I would
immediately drop dead again." - Vandiver
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From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY)
Subject: Re: The Prime Directive
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In article <62609@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Everybody: I don't have time to say much. A person by the name
>of Kumar in Germany has been sending me E-mail and my E-mail has not
>been getting back to him so I sent him a telepathic message. He wrote
>me yesterday that he was aware of me sending him a telepathic message
>and that I had woken him up and had also appeared in his dreams. This
>has happened to me and other people before. On sunday and monday nights
>I did a little warm up astral projection. Remember tonight at 1100 PM
>it the time we'll do the experiment.
>John Winston.
that's AMAZING! Kumar has been appearing in MY dreams too! though in the
guise of a shoe salesman trying to sell filet mignon to sandinista rebels
with inflamed salvatory glands!!
what could this mean?
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From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: The Prime Directive
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In article <cass8806.108@elan.glassboro.edu>
cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
>In article <62609@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>Dear Everybody: I don't have time to say much. A person by the name
>>of Kumar in Germany has been sending me E-mail and my E-mail has not
>>been getting back to him so I sent him a telepathic message. He wrote
>>me yesterday that he was aware of me sending him a telepathic message
>>and that I had woken him up and had also appeared in his dreams. This
>>has happened to me and other people before. On sunday and monday nights
>>I did a little warm up astral projection. Remember tonight at 1100 PM
>>it the time we'll do the experiment.
>>John Winston.
>
>that's AMAZING! Kumar has been appearing in MY dreams too! though in the
>guise of a shoe salesman trying to sell filet mignon to sandinista rebels
>with inflamed salvatory glands!!
>
>what could this mean?
I think it means you need to lay off the medication for a few weeks.
(BTW - John Winston has been appearing in my dreams too. He is usually
wearing leather and has a Golden retreiver and about 10 containers of
whipped cream with him. Scares the shit out of me).
C Frog
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In article <nxgmw=f@lynx.unm.edu>, cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes:
> In article <BrtoGA.Eov@watdragon.waterloo.edu> jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
>>
>> A supernova within 40 lightyears would be very very obvious
>>(Apparent magnitude of ~ -21ish, I think) and could also be very very
>>bad, wrt our current ecosystem. None of the ZR stars are SN candidates,
>>though.
>>
>> James Nicoll
>
> Another thing to think about is if the star had been a supernovae
> candidate it would have been a red giant. Which means that (a) it
> would have been around apparent mag -6 or so and (b) it would have
> engulfed or nearly engulfed any planets with orbtial radii similar
> to the earth's (ie the range of orbital radii within which it is
> thought necessary for a planet to have to be habital.)
>
> Ithlial
Just to be the >:-)> advocate: would not the "comfort zone" for planetary
radii be moved outward for a star massive enough to become a red giant?
Not that the fact that the star turned into a red giant would not destroy
the environment of any habitable planet no matter what its orbital radii
was (or that such a star would not stick around long enough to evovle
higher life.)
Thomas Freebairn * I wish I had an employer
* whose opinions mine were not.
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Subject: Re: The Prime Directive
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In article <1992Jul23.182915.22178@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
|> In article <cass8806.108@elan.glassboro.edu>
|> cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
|> >In article <62609@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> >
|> >>Dear Everybody: I don't have time to say much. A person by the name
|> >>of Kumar in Germany has been sending me E-mail and my E-mail has not
|> >>been getting back to him so I sent him a telepathic message. He wrote
|> >>me yesterday that he was aware of me sending him a telepathic message
|> >>and that I had woken him up and had also appeared in his dreams. This
|> >>has happened to me and other people before. On sunday and monday nights
|> >>I did a little warm up astral projection. Remember tonight at 1100 PM
|> >>it the time we'll do the experiment.
|> >>John Winston.
|> >
|> >that's AMAZING! Kumar has been appearing in MY dreams too! though in the
|> >guise of a shoe salesman trying to sell filet mignon to sandinista rebels
|> >with inflamed salvatory glands!!
|> >
|> >what could this mean?
|>
|> I think it means you need to lay off the medication for a few weeks.
|>
|> (BTW - John Winston has been appearing in my dreams too. He is usually
|> wearing leather and has a Golden retreiver and about 10 containers of
|> whipped cream with him. Scares the shit out of me).
|>
|> C Frog
I had a dream that grey empaths dressed in black had taken over New
Jersey.....
Mike
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In article <cass8806.108@elan.glassboro.edu> cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
In article <62609@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Everybody: I don't have time to say much. A person by the name
>of Kumar in Germany has been sending me E-mail and my E-mail has not
>been getting back to him so I sent him a telepathic message. He wrote
>me yesterday that he was aware of me sending him a telepathic message
>and that I had woken him up and had also appeared in his dreams. This
>has happened to me and other people before. On sunday and monday nights
>I did a little warm up astral projection. Remember tonight at 1100 PM
>it the time we'll do the experiment.
>John Winston.
that's AMAZING! Kumar has been appearing in MY dreams too! though in the
guise of a shoe salesman trying to sell filet mignon to sandinista rebels
with inflamed salvatory glands!!
what could this mean?
Either:
The owls are not what they seem
or:
John_-_Winston is a bit of underdone potato(e)
-30-
Bob
``We're searching the universe for habitable life.''
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From: kiernan@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Elaine Kiernan)
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Subject: UFO books
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Hi folks,
I'd like to read some good books on UFO's etc.
What's your favorite UFO book?
The kind of book I'd like to find has objective accounts
of "what happened" e.g. abductees' experiences, eyewitness accounts,
etc. I'm not really interested in theories or philosophies,
just the facts, know what I mean?
Anyway, it would be interesting to see what everyone
has read! Thanks!
Live long and prosper,
Elaine
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From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:54:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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In article <62660@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
>
>Are not the effects of mass (and therefore gravity) instantaneously permeated
>thoughout the (known) universe? Or hasn't this issue been resolved? I'm not
>a physicist, so consider this as lay speculation/conjecture; I visit SLAC and
>other such places, and I'm in awe of the experiments they conduct.
>
>Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com ]
The idea behind special relativity is that information cannot be conveyed
from place to place at a velocity exceeding the speed of light. Since
gravity betrays the presence of matter its effects cannot propogate
faster than the speed of light. Another way to look at it that gravity
like other forces is conveyed by bosons. Bosons, depending on if they
are massive or not travel at the below or at the speed of light
respectively.
P.S. We have a pretty nice accelerator here at LAMPF/LANL (Los Alamos
Meson Physics Facilty/Los Alamos Nat'l Labs)
cary@dsirae.lampf.lanl.gov
My opinions, mine, mine, mine!
To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
and the dancers hit eachother.
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From: warlock@spuddy.uucp (Sean Eaton)
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Subject: Re: RFD: Split, rename alt.alien.visitors
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If a.a.v. is split up, all that will happen is that many
articles will get cross-posted to every group in the
alien sub-heirachy. This will be especailly true for
talk.religion.newage posters who add a.a.v onto the end
of the Newsgroups: line almost by default, it seems; and
for those who insist on posting replies to private e-mail
to the net instead of mailing the user directly.
I'll wager these "off subject" and private messages
will be posted to all groups.
Think about it: five identical copies of a message starting
"Dear Fred:" ? I think you get my drift ...
No; a.a.v. should stay as it is for the moment.
-Sean.
asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk | warlock%spuddy@uknet.ac.uk
-Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatus nunc-
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From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani)
Subject: Re: Why America ?
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In article <1992Jul23.114610@axion.bt.co.uk>, achaplin@axion.bt.co.uk (Anthony Chaplin) writes: (I fixed the wrapping lines. L.S.)
|>
|> I have a question for all you Phoenix Project fans out there
|>
|> Why America, why not the old Soviet Union ?
|>
|> Think about it logically,
|>
|> 1. Russia has vast tracks of barren, unpopulated lands. Compared to
|> Russia the remote places in America really aren't that remote.
|>
|> 2. Russia's air traffic control and radar network is much less
|> comphensive than the USA's, therefore the aliens could come and go more
|> easily..
|>
|> 3. Russia, during the cold war was far behind the technology of the west
|> and so would be willing to pay a higher price for alien technology ?
|>
|> 4. People could be silenced much more easily in the old Soviet Union than
|> they could in the USA (except if your name was Silkwood !)
|>
|> Therefore if these supposed aliens had observed the earth they would have
|> found the Old Soviet Union a much more inviting place to build K-2 ??
|>
|> But let me guess they do use the Soviet Union for bases, and someone somewhere
|> (who also forgot his camera) has seen it !
|>
|> Don't get me wrong I don't have a closed mind to aliens (otherwise I wouldn't
|> subscript to this newsgroup) but massive alien bases in the USA ?
|>
|> Cheers
|>
|> Tony
|> achaplin@axion.bt.co.uk
Perhaps the base is very old. K2 might have seemed like a great place 1000
years ago. Additionally, there is no reason to believe that K2 is the *only*
base on earth. There could be 100s all over the place.
Oh darn. I forgot to say "alleged bases" :^)
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From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
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Subject: Re: NASA's Block of Ice!
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Date: 23 Jul 92 21:27:15 GMT
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In article <1992Jul23.131612.26963@ucc.su.OZ.AU> jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jason Haines) writes:
>Firstly, to see an object change its direction of motion so radically is
>an indication of intelligent control, especially when you see that it did so
>to avoid proximity with a high speed object, be it a meteor or a rail-gun...
When the wind blows leaves change direction fairly radically but this
hardly means they're intelligent. When a stray asteroid gets too
close to Jupiter it gets captured, but I would not ascribe it or Jupiter
any great intellect for the act.
>
>Secondly, the report on hard copy was pretty superficial, they had no
>scientists to provide a professional opinion of the video...
>
>Despite this, I must say that this video sequence show's the most significant
>UFO in decades.
>
PAS!
>I'd like to see more discussion of this important piece of evidence.
>Jason Haines - System Operator, MacInTouch BBS (02) 743-5997
>(TeleFinder Based)
>jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU
Ok here's the scoop Jason. Ice routinely builds up on various parts
of any space vehicle using refrigerated liquids like liquid oxygen
and hydrogen. Some of it comes loose and follows the shuttle (or
whatever) in orbit. This phenomenon is well documented (John Glenn's
fireflies.) The shuttles have numerous small maneuvering jets
to maintain its attitude in orbit, these jets are often controlled by
by the computer which fires them when the shuttle drifts to far
out of the desired attitude. Anyhow when one of these fires it
shoots out a plume of gas. Like a leaf in the wind, ice chunks,
when hit with the exhaust of 800 lb thrust jets will change direction
rather radically.
I think that people need to develope their critical thinking skills
a bit.
Ithlial
My opinions, mine, mine, mine!
I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash
is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash
stuff, then, when some comes up, act like they just woke up and go,
"What, was THAT?!"
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From: leo@zelator.in-berlin.de (Stefan Hartmann)
Subject: Re: NASA's Block of Ice!
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:39:47 GMT
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In <1992Jul23.144101.29930@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
>Jason,[you write]:
>>Despite this, I must say that this video sequence show's the most
>significant
>>UFO in decades.
>>I'd like to see more discussion of this important piece of evidence.
>If you look back when this story first aired here in the U.S., you will
>find a tedious amount of discussion on the piece of ice/UFO. Also check the
>alt.skeptics newsgroup.
>I also have a question for you folks DOWN UNDER.(That's AUSTRAILIA for
>those of you who don't know where down under is.) I recall that about 3-4
>years ago that
>an egg shaped craft buzzed a family in a car on some highway down there. As
>I recall there was some material released by the craft & it was retrieved
>by the occupants of the vehicle. The material was brought in for analysis &
>that was the last I ever heard about it. I think a fishing boat offshore
>also reported
>seeing the craft about an hour later. There was quite a bit of news on the
>incident back then, but as most news stories go , the press never really
>follows up.
>Rod
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>rodb@corp.sgi.com|but the illusion of knowledge."
Hi,
this UFO accident what You mentioned was in Adelaine, Sothern
Australia !
I heard about it too and still have a newspaper article about it !
Well, the UFO shook a car and the family which was driving in this car
did hide near the car.
When they came back, when the UFO left, there was some black ashes
all over the top of the car !
This ashes should be investigated by some chemical lab, but I never
heard of any results !
Did anybody hear about the results of the chemical test ?
Please send email as a reply to me, cause I am from tommorrow on
2 weeks on vaccation (holidays)!
Best regards, Stefan Hartmann.
email to: leo@zelator.in-berlin.de
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Subject: Is Bigfoot a Visitor?
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From: cse0947@desire.wright.edu
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:48:24 EST
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Does anyone have an opinion as to whether the Bigfoot legend may be
connected with alien visitors?
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From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Subject: Re: Is Bigfoot a Visitor?
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Wright State University,[you write]
>Does anyone have an opinion as to whether the Bigfoot legend may be
>connected with alien visitors?
I feel that it might be possible & here is my reason why.....
About 5 years ago myself & my X were camping at Whiskeytown Lake near Mt.
Shasta
in Northern California.We arrived at around 130am so everyone in the area
was asleep. Her parents set up the tent before we arrived so we didn't have
to set it up.(Thank Goodness) Our tent was one of those Bigtop style
montsers that has a very large opening for a door. I think its dimensions
were 10'X12'.At any rate
the door of the tent was facing the water,we were approximately 10-15' away
from the water with NO OBSTRUCTIONS.There were quite a few campers in the
area . It was surprisingly warm,so much so that we decided to sleep with
the outer doors rolled back & tied with nothing but the bug net screen door
between us & the outside world.
It must have been 200am by the time we finally went to sleep.I am a very
HEAVY
sleeper.....I mean anti-aircraft fire could be going off next door & I
won't wake up,on the other hand, My X was a very light sleeper. I am very
slow person to wake up also.It's like being born every day of my life,a
struggle.
What happened next was one of a few strange things that has happened to me
in my life.I'm not sure exactly what time it was but it was pre-sunrise(you
know when the sun has not come up over the horizen but the light begins to
dominate over the darkness.Well like I said , I never wake up but that
morning I woke out of a dead sleep & sat strait UP! Looked out of the
screen door to see to my amazement
7-10' creature standing about 5-6' away......staring at me.I could not
really see its eyes but it was apparently facing my direction. I then
rubbed my eyes violently & took a second look.....HOLY SHIT this thing is
still standing there motionless.Boy the butterflies in my stomach felt like
bats racing through my innards,man was I scared.I could see the outline of
hair all over its body,(like Chewbacca from Star Wars)except for its legs.
The legs were covered with
scales/plates or body armor type stuff,it was not light enough to get a
real
good look at it..too strange. I then after about what seemed like forever
(probably more like 30 seconds) I turned to my X and tried to wake her up
to see this thing. She would not wake up & I shook her pretty good. Finally
she came around but she was really groggy. I then turned back around to
show her this thing but it was G-O-N-E. No sound of footsteps or
anything....just gone. My X was not to happy that I woke her up & went back
to sleep. I ,on the other had was pretty shook up. I didn't like the idea
that a BIG critter could just materialize in our campsite & then just
vanish. I never got the feeling it was trying to communicate with me or
anything like that. I did not get up to go & check it out,,which was
strange cause normally I am a curious person.I finally made it back to
sleep.What a night!!
In closing I would like to say that although no one else had seen (I asked
alot of people )this thing in the area I believe it was real. The silouette
sticks in my mind very clearly to this day.Very odd experience.
BTW roughly 2 weeks later both my X & I woke up with bloody noses at the
same time.(& no we didn't bump heads in the middle of the night.)
Rod
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From: wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck)
Subject: Re: astral travel
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In <1992Jul22.231809.1936@mprgate.mpr.ca> spani@mprgate.mpr.ca
(Leonard Spani) writes: >
In article <1992Jul22.193835.3751@acd4.acd.com>, wdo@TEFS1.acd.com
(Bill Overpeck) writes: |>
|> John, many of us here are interested in the relationship between
|> astral travel (out of body experiences) and near death experiences.
|>
|> When you are traveling in the astral plane (assuming that such
|> travel is not possible in the physical plane), is this accomplished
|> via an astral "body" or is this a purely non-physical experience.
|>
|> What is your opinion of near death experiences? Are such events
|> merely the first occurrence (for most people) of the astral body
|> leaving the physical body?
|>
|> Bill, Scot, Keith, Aaron, George, and Lubbe
>Could you please take this discussion to email or a more appropriate
>newsgroup? (alt.oobe, alt.paranormal, talk.religion.newage, etc...)
We don't get alt.oobe at our site, Leonard, but we'll go to alt.para-
normal (despite the well known fact that most abductions are accomplished
on the astral plane).
Bill, Scot, Keith, Aaron, George, and Lubbe
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From: curmi@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Jamie Paul CURMI)
Subject: Re: Egg shaped craft down under (3-4 years ago)
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rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
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>I also have a question for you folks DOWN UNDER.(That's AUSTRAILIA for
>those of you who don't know where down under is.) I recall that about 3-4
>years ago that
>an egg shaped craft buzzed a family in a car on some highway down there. As
>I recall there was some material released by the craft & it was retrieved
>by the occupants of the vehicle. The material was brought in for analysis &
>that was the last I ever heard about it. I think a fishing boat offshore
>also reported
>seeing the craft about an hour later. There was quite a bit of news on the
>incident back then, but as most news stories go , the press never really
>follows up.
Hi!
Yeah, I followed this story very closely at the time. It happened just as
Hinch started his new show on 7 (Hinch at 7, on 7 ;-), and Hinch quickly
organised interviews with the entire family.
The car had some really good dents and scrapes on it I believe.
It was reported that the silvery/black material found on and in the car was
analysed...and after an awful long time the lab people said it was dust from
their brakes or something similar due to their brakes.
This whole thing seemed a little weird (not the story, but the analysis &
the way everything went really strange and quiet about this incident). I'm
not trying to imply a coverup (ok...maybe I am \(^_^)/ ), but this
poor family got treated like shit soon after they told their story.
A number of weeks later (possibly months even) the family were once again
interviewed (well, more like a very brief chat). The mother said that since
the incident people had harrased her, and called her a lier, and treated
the whole family pretty badly. She said she wished she had never told
anyone this story, and was visibly upset by the whole affair. That was
the last I heard.
Local Oz Scientists suggested they were hit by lightning, and the usual
scientist type response to anything unusual (oh...it was ball lightning,
a weather balloon, you imagined it all...etc). I don't know what it was..
it may well have been something quite natural....but the family said the
UFO grabbed the car, and tried to lift it off the ground, and that they
could see a glowing egg shaped thingy, bashing against the roof.
By the way, a number of ufo reports came in from Queensland last night...
a light in the sky, moving from the west (?), hovering above, then moving
back from where it came. One person described it as a flying camp-fire
(that's a new one....hard to imagine....perhaps a Grey Boy Scout :-).
Anyone else hear about this report.
It seems a lot of UFO's are being reported down under lately. Have the
Greys only just discovered Australia? (bit like you Americans....NO.. there
are NO kangaroos jumpin' around my back garden, or in my street!!!! ;-)
Jamie
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