UFO/Alien message board part 6
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From: dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)
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Subject: Re: Dreamland
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Date: 13 Mar 92 02:56:09 GMT
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In article <3100@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> leaver@prg.ox.ac.uk (Andrew Leaver) writes:
>In article <1992Feb29.235824.9719@microsoft.com>, marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc MILANINI) writes:
>>
>><Flame on>
>>Seems to me that you missed an -another?- opportunity to shut up. First,
>>I don't think that Newton was really a genius. Hard-working, certainly,
>>but his intelligence was quite common, I believe.
>> ...
>><Flame off>
>
>Obviously, whether any particular person was a genius or not is
>a matter of opinion. However, in the `History of Science' type books
>and Encyclopaedia entries I have read on Newton (check Encyclopaedia
>Britannica, and Isaac Asimov's book of biographies) the general
>consensus is that he was one of the brightest scientists the world has
>seen, perhaps even *the* most brilliant. He was also, by all accounts, a
>rather unpleasant guy - but that's beside the point!
>
>>--
>>=---K8>>@@@@@@@@ Marc Milanini @@@@ marcmil@microsoft.com @@@@%%
>
>Andrew ------------------------------------- Andrew.Leaver@uk.ac.oxford.prg
Wasn't it Thomas Alva Edison who said "Genius is 99% perspiration and
1% inspiration." ???
Derek :-)
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From: press2@cbnewsd.att.com (barry.o.olson)
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Subject: Whitley Shrieber on CNN
Keywords: Larry King show
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Yes, he was on the LK show wednesday(3/11) for a 30 minute spot.
He didn't say much about his past experiences except he still
doesn't comprehend what happened to him. He equated the experiences
with the frightening aliens as a possible encounter with biblical
demons. He talked mostly about his new book _Unholy Fire_. He
also spoke some about his faith as a Catholic.
I was shocked that I didn't see this emblazoned on a.a.v when I
logged on today to read. Am I the only one who saw this program?
barry--
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
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Subject: They're after me!
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[start spooky music]
A friend of mine was interested in seeing _Communion_ when he was
over the other night.
So I plopped the tape in the VCR. I had made this tape a few
months ago when it was on Showtime or one of the cable channels.
At the time I taped it I WAS THERE WATCHING IT, and nothing strange
had occured.
Throughout the ENTIRE movie, during ALL of the abduction scenes
and all of the flashbacks, the sound completely dropped out! When
the script went back to the NYC scenes, etc. I "re-got" my sound.
I don't think I"ve ever watched this movie since I taped it, but like
I said, I was there watdching it while it was being taped...
Weird no?
BBC
P.S. I'm dead serious about this! I'm not kidding!
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From: fsb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Frank Stuart Brown)
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Subject: Re: Mars Face / General Info.
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Date: 13 Mar 92 12:07:32 GMT
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In article <203309@unix.cis.pitt.edu> leping@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Leping N Zha) writes:
>The most comprehensive and scientific treatment to the Mars face (there are
>three found so far!) can be seen in:
>
>John E. Brandenburg, Vincent DiPietro & Gregory Molenaar:
>The Cydonian Hypothesis
>Journal of Scientific Exploration (published by SSE, the Society for
> Scientific Exploration, ERL 306, Stanford University, Stanford,
I find the subject of past life on Mars fascinating.
I pose the thoughts that:
1. Millions of years ago Mars was like earth.
2. At the same time earth was the equivalent of
what venus is now.
3. As the sun shrinks so the outer planets cool and
we must move nearer the sun.
4. Venus will eventually be habitable as earth dies.
5. Was the asteroid belt our original planet before Mars?
No flames please just genuine discussion.
Thanks,
Frank
--
"On the plains of hesitation lie the bones of countless millions, of those
who stopped to view their success, and while resting - died!"
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From: STONE@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Travis R. Stone)
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Subject: Re: I Seriously Doubt They're After You
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Sounds like a defective tape to me.
T.R. Stone
University of Nebraska-Omaha
Home of the Toughest Organic Chemistry Instructors in the Galaxy
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From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
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Subject: Re: Mars Face / General Info.
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Date: 13 Mar 92 15:22:09 GMT
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In article <1992Mar13.120732.23793@tcom.stc.co.uk> fsb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Frank Stuart Brown) writes:
>In article <203309@unix.cis.pitt.edu> leping@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Leping N Zha) writes:
>>The most comprehensive and scientific treatment to the Mars face (there are
>>three found so far!) can be seen in:
>>
>>John E. Brandenburg, Vincent DiPietro & Gregory Molenaar:
>>The Cydonian Hypothesis
>>Journal of Scientific Exploration (published by SSE, the Society for
>> Scientific Exploration, ERL 306, Stanford University, Stanford,
>
>I find the subject of past life on Mars fascinating.
>I pose the thoughts that:
> 1. Millions of years ago Mars was like earth.
This is by no means cartain. It does like like at some time in the
past, there was running water, but this does not imply earth-like.
> 2. At the same time earth was the equivalent of
> what venus is now.
This is not true. The earth was never like Venus. If it were, we
would not be here today to have this chat.
> 3. As the sun shrinks so the outer planets cool and
> we must move nearer the sun.
Current theory predicts that as the sun uses up the hydrogen in
it's core, it will expand, eventually enveloping the inner planets,
including the earth.
> 4. Venus will eventually be habitable as earth dies.
See above.
> 5. Was the asteroid belt our original planet before Mars?
???????????????????????????? What was that again??
>No flames please just genuine discussion.
>
>Thanks,
>Frank
>--
>"On the plains of hesitation lie the bones of countless millions, of those
>who stopped to view their success, and while resting - died!"
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From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
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Subject: Re: Mars Face / General Info.
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Date: 13 Mar 92 15:33:01 GMT
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In article <1992Mar13.120732.23793@tcom.stc.co.uk> fsb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Frank Stuart Brown) writes:
>I find the subject of past life on Mars fascinating.
>I pose the thoughts that:
> 1. Millions of years ago Mars was like earth.
> 2. At the same time earth was the equivalent of
> what venus is now.
> 3. As the sun shrinks so the outer planets cool and
> we must move nearer the sun.
> 4. Venus will eventually be habitable as earth dies.
> 5. Was the asteroid belt our original planet before Mars?
>
I'm afraid not. Astrophysicists tell us that all "main-sequence" stars
(and this inculdes the sun) slowly *increase* their luminosity, until
they run out of fuel. Your theory requires their luminosity to decrease.
--
Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
"The facts can only take you so far in this case.",
- Oliver Stone, discussing "JFK" on CBS-TV's "48 Hours", Feb. 5, 1992
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From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
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Subject: Re: The Talmud as Given by Judas Iscariot
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In article <9203121915.AA11631@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> lpb@stratus.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas x5363) writes:
>I was sent this by a friend to post. I find it challanging and believeable
>in light of how the bible has been edited over the years from the original as
>written by the apostles.....you decide...the following is a short excerpt
>
>First translation of the Aramaic script written by Judas Iscariot, the
>disciple of Jmmanuel (Jesus), discovered in 1963 in the burial cave of
>Jmmanuel.
>
>Translated into German by Isa Rashid and Eduard Meier, and translated into
>English by Julie Ziegler and B. L. Greene.
>
Eduard "Billy" Meier of Switzerland is the perpetrator of the notorious
"UFOs from the Pleiades" hoax.
>1:2 Semjasa, the celestial son and guardian angel of god, the great ruler of
>the distant travelers who traversed the expanse of the universe, together with
>a terrestrial woman, begot Adam, the father of the white human race.
"Semjase" is the name of Meier's extraterrestrial girlfriend.
--
Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
"The facts can only take you so far in this case.",
- Oliver Stone, discussing "JFK" on CBS-TV's "48 Hours", Feb. 5, 1992
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From: timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson)
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Subject: Re: They're after me!
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In article <1992Mar13.043523.18992@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes...
*>
*> [start spooky music]
*>
*> A friend of mine was interested in seeing _Communion_ when he was
*>over the other night.
*>
*> So I plopped the tape in the VCR. I had made this tape a few
*>months ago when it was on Showtime or one of the cable channels.
*>At the time I taped it I WAS THERE WATCHING IT, and nothing strange
*>had occured.
*>
*> Throughout the ENTIRE movie, during ALL of the abduction scenes
*>and all of the flashbacks, the sound completely dropped out! When
*>the script went back to the NYC scenes, etc. I "re-got" my sound.
*>I don't think I"ve ever watched this movie since I taped it, but like
*>I said, I was there watdching it while it was being taped...
*>
*> Weird no?
*>
No!
Steve Food_for_the_Grays
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From: pgf@usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
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Subject: Re: Mars Face / General Info.
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fsb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Frank Stuart Brown) writes:
>I find the subject of past life on Mars fascinating.
>I pose the thoughts that:
> 1. Millions of years ago Mars was like earth.
Perhaps true, but "billions" would be a more correct time scale.
> 2. At the same time earth was the equivalent of
> what venus is now.
Not true whatsoever.
> 3. As the sun shrinks so the outer planets cool and
> we must move nearer the sun.
Before the sun starts shrinking, it will expand outward, and
the Earth _may_ become like Venus...
> 4. Venus will eventually be habitable as earth dies.
Venus will only become habitable if someone makes it so. It would
require a lot of energy to remove its atmosphere.
> 5. Was the asteroid belt our original planet before Mars?
What makes you think Mars was "our original planet before Earth?"
There seems to be a record of our evolution in fossils on the
crust of Earth... anyone who implies differently is being deceptive.
--
Phil Fraering pgf@nasa12.usl.edu 318/365-5418
Cthulthu for President! I'm tired of the lesser of two evils!
Home, Home on Lagrange, where the space debris always collects...
- Bill Higgins and Barry D. Gehm
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From: GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu (Guy Hadsall)
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Subject: ? Majestic Twelve ?
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What is it ?
Who is it ?
Why are people afraid of its utterance ?
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From: Juhana.Rasanen@hut.fi (Juhana R{s{nen)
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Subject: Re: Mars Face / General Info.
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In article <1992Mar13.120732.23793@tcom.stc.co.uk> fsb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Frank Stuart Brown) writes:
> I find the subject of past life on Mars fascinating.
> I pose the thoughts that:
(text removed)
> 3. As the sun shrinks so the outer planets cool and
> we must move nearer the sun.
(text removed)
> No flames please just genuine discussion.
Ok, I try not to be flamy.
Sun does not shrink. Sorry. In fact it will expand enourmously after
about 5 billion years and engulf all the inner planets, including
Earth. Nice try, anyhow.
Thanks,
Frank
You're welcome,
Juhana
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Quantum mechanics do it bit by bit
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Subject: Re: ? Majestic Twelve ?
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In article <92073.121819GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu> Guy Hadsall <GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>
>What is it ?
>Who is it ?
>Why are people afraid of its utterance ?
I found this in this newsgroup a few months ago. I don't know if it is
true or total bunk.
I think it's good for a laugh.
OPERATION MAJORITY
(C) - COPYRIGHT 1989 BY MILTON WILLIAM COOPER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO USE SHORT QUOTES FROM THIS INFOR-
MATION IN PRESS RELEASES, PERIODICALS, AND SPEECHES.
INCLUSION IN ANY OTHER MEDIA REQUIRES MY EXPRESS WRITTEN
PERMISSION.
This file contains the absolute true information regarding
the alien presence on earth and the US Governments
involvement with the aliens. This file contains only the
information as I saw it and only my information. It does not
contain any information from any other source.
It was neccessary for me to issue the information previous to
this release in a manner which would deceive the Government
until someone was able to independently confirm my identity,
my employment, my service record, my intelligence background,
the identity of the person to which I gave the information to
in 1972, his acknowledgment of the information and when it
was given to him, that the information is correct, that I
have not seen him since 1974, and that I have not
communicated with him in any form since 1976. This was
neccesary because this file is my death warrant if MJ-12
continues to operate in a manner consistant with its history.
All in the last paragraph has been independently verified by
2 different people who have no connection with each other.
I will only list one for obvious reasons.
Tony Pelham, Journalist
Las Vegas Bullet, (Newspaper)
300 West Boston
Las Vegas, Nevada 89102
The original information that I first released was not much
different than what you will find here. Only some names were
different and just enough (I hoped) to convince MJ-12 and
MAJI that I was not a threat long enough to have independent
verification of the facts before I risked death. I wish to
make it absolutly clear that I do not consider myself a hero.
I believe that most of you would do the same thing if you
knew the truth. I gave an oath that I would uphold and
protect the Constitution of the United States of America and
I take that oath very seriously. I am doing no more now than
I did when I fought in Vietnam. I am doing my duty.
Please make copies of this file and send it to your
Congressman, your Senator, the Attorney General of the United
States, and to the Supreme Court. Send it also to everyone
you know. Attach copies of the Bill English file and John
Lear's file. Send anything else you may have which tends to
support the information.
I Milton William Cooper, 1311 S. Highland #205, Fullerton,
California, 92632, (714) 680-9537, do solemnly swear that the
information contained in this file is true and correct to the
best of my knowledge. I swear that I saw this information in
1972 in the performance of my duties as a member of the
Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander In Chief of the
Pacific Fleet as a Petty Officer in the US Navy. I swear
that I underwent hypnotic regression in order to make the
information as accurate as possible. I swear that I can and
will take a lie detector test or any other test of any
reputable persons choosing in order to confirm this
information. I swear that I can and will undergo hypnotic
regression conducted by any reputable and qualified Doctor of
any reputable persons choosing in order to confirm this
information. I will not, however submit to any test or
hypnosis by anyone who is now or has ever been connected with
the Government in any capacity for obvious reasons.
The following a is brief listing of everything that I
personally saw and know from 1972 and does not contain any
input from any other source whatsoever.
MAJESTY was listed as the code word for the President of the
United States for communications concerning this information.
OPERATION MAJORITY is the name of the operation responsible
for every aspect, project, and consequence of alien presence
on earth.
GRUDGE Contains 16 volumes of documented information
collected from the beginning of the United States
investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO's) and
Identified Alien Crafts (IAC). The project was funded by CIA
confidential funds (non-appropriated) and money from the
illicit drug trade. Participation in the illegal drug trade
was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the
weak elements of our society. The purpose of project GRUDGE
was to collect all scientific, technological, medical and
intelligence information from UFO/IAC sightings and contacts
with alien life forms. This orderly file of collected
information has been used to advance the United States Space
Program.
MJ-12 is the name of the secret control group. President
Eisenhower commissioned a secret society known as THE JASON
SOCIETY (JASON SCHOLARS) under the leadership of the Director
of Central Intelligence (Allen Welsh Dulles), Dr. Zbigniew
Brzezinski (President of the Trilateral Commission from 1973
until 1976), and Dr. Henry Kissinger (leader of the
scientific effort), to sift through all the facts, evidence,
technology, lies and deception and find the truth of the
alien question. The society was made up of 32 of the most
prominent men in the country and the top 12 members were
designated MJ-12. MJ-12 has total control of everything.
They are designated by the code J-1, J-2, J-3, etc all the
way through the members of the Jason Society. The director
of Central Intelligence was appointed J-1 and is the Director
of MJ-12. MJ-12 is responsible only to the President. MJ-12
runs most of the worlds illegal drug trade. This was done to
hide funding and thus keep the secret from the Congress and
the people of the United States. It was justified in that it
would identify and eliminate the weak elements of our
society. The cost of funding the alien connected projects is
higher than anything you can imagine. MJ-12 asasinated
President Kennedy when he informed them that he was going to
tell the public all the facts of the alien presence. He was
killed by the Secret Service agent driving his car and it is
plainly visible in the film held from public view. A secret
meeting place was constructed for MJ-12 in MARYLAND and it
was described as only accessible by air. It contains full
living, recreational, and other facilitys for MJ-12 and the
JASON SOCIETY. It is code named "THE COUNTRY CLUB". The
land for "THE COUNTRY CLUB" was donated by the Rockefeller
family. Only those with TOP SECRET/MAJIC clearance are
allowed to go there.
MAJI is the MAJORITY AGENCY FOR JOINT INTELLIGENCE. All
information, disinformation, and intelligence is gathered and
evaluated by this agency. This agency is responsible for all
disinformation and operates in conjunction with the CIA, NSA
the Defense Intelligence Agency, and the Office of Naval
Intelligence. This is a very powerful organization and all
alien projects are under its control. MAJI is responsible
only to MJ-12.
SIGMA is the project which first established communications
with the aliens and is still responsible for communications.
PLATO is the project responsible for Diplomatic relations
with the aliens. This project secured a formal treaty
(illegal under the Constitution) with the aliens. The terms
were that the aliens would give us technology and would not
interfere in our history. In return we agreed to keep their
presence on earth a secret, not to interfere in any way with
thier actions, and to allow them to abduct humans and
animals. The aliens agreed to furnish MJ-12 with a list of
abductees on a periodic basis.
MAJIC is the security classification and clearance of all
alien connected material, projects, and information. MAJIC
means MAJI controlled.
AQUARIUS is a project which compiled the history of alien
presence and their interaction with Homo Sapiens upon this
planet for the last 25,000 years and culminating with the
Basque people who live in the mountainous country on the
border of France and Spain and the Syrians or Assyrians.
GARNET is the project responsible for control of all
information and documents regarding this subject and
accountability of the information and documents.
PLUTO is a project to evaluate all UFO/IAC information
pertaining to space technology.
POUNCE, this project was formed to recover all downed/crashed
craft and aliens. This project provided cover stories and
operations to mask the true endeavor when neccessary. Covers
which have been used: crashed experimental aircraft,
construction, mining, etc. this project has been successful.
This project is ongoing.
LUNA is the alien base on the far side of the Moon. It was
seen and filmed by the Apollo Astronauts. A base, a mining
operation using very large machines, and the very large alien
craft described in sighting reports as MOTHER SHIPS exist
there.
NRO is the National Recon Organization based at Fort Carson,
Colorado. It is responsible for security for all alien or
alien craft connected projects.
DELTA is the designation for the specific arm of the NRO
which is especially trained and tasked with security of these
projects.
BLUE TEAM------THE FIRST PROJECT RESPONSIBLE FOR
REACTION/RECOVERY OF DOWNED/CRASHED ALIEN
CRAFT AND/OR ALIENS. THIS WAS AN AIR FORCE
MATERIAL COMMAND PROJECT.
SIGN-----------THE SECOND PROJECT RESPONSIBLE FOR COLLECTION
OF INTELLIGENCE AND DETERMINING WHETHER ALIEN
PRESENCE CONSTITUTED A THREAT TO THE NATIONAL
SECURITY. SIGN ABSORBED BLUE TEAM. THIS WAS
AN AIR FORCE/CIA PROJECT.
REDLIGHT-------MISSION WAS TO TEST FLY RECOVERED ALIEN CRAFT
THIS PROJECT WAS POSTPONED AFTER EVERY ATTEMPT
RESULTED IN DESTRUCTION OF THE CRAFT AND DEATH
OF THE PILOTS. THIS PROJECT WAS CARRIED OUT
AT AREA 51 IN NEVADA (GROOM LAKE/DREAMLAND).
PROJECT REDLIGHT WAS RESUMED IN 1972. THIS
PROJECT HAS BEEN PARTIALLY SUCCESSFUL. UFO
SIGHTINGS OF CRAFT ACCOMPANIED BY BLACK
HELICOPTORS ARE PROJECT REDLIGHT ASSETS. THIS
PROJECT IS ONGOING AT AREA 51 IN NEVADA.
SNOWBIRD-------Established as a COVER for Project REDLIGHT.
A flying saucer "TYPE" craft was built using
conventional technology. It was unvieled to
the press and flown in public on several
occassions. The purpose was to explain
accidental sightings or disclosures of
REDLIGHT as having been the SNOWBIRD craft.
This was a very successful disinformation
operation. This Project is only activated
when needed. It has not been used for many
years. This project is currently in mothballs
until needed again.
BLUE BOOK------THIS WAS AN AIR FORCE UFO/ALIEN INTELLIGENCE
COLLECTION AND DISINFORMATION PROJECT. THIS
PROJECT WAS TERMINATED AND ITS COLLECTED
INFORMATION AND DUTIES WERE ABSORBED BY
PROJECT AQUARIUS. CLASSIFIED REPORT NAMED
"GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT NO. 13" IS THE ONLY
SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION DERIVED FROM THE
PROJECT AND IS UNAVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
(FROM WHAT I READ FROM BILL ENGLISH IT SEEMS
THAT HE REALLY SAW THIS REPORT AS HE DESCRIBES
THE SAME INFORMATION THAT I SAW IN
"GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT NO. 13.)
JOSHUA is a project to develop a low frequency pulsed sound
generating weapon. It was said that this weapon would be
effective against the alien craft and beam weapons.
EXCALIBUR is a weapon to destroy the alien underground bases.
It is to be a missile capable of penetrating 1000 meters of
Tufa/hard packed soil such as that found in New Mexico with
no operational damage. Missile appogee not to exceed 30,000
feet AGL and impact must not deviate in excess of 50 meters
from designated target. The device will carry a 1 megaton
nuclear warhead.
ALIENS, there were 4 types of aliens mentioned in the papers.
A LARGE NOSED GREY with whom we have the treaty, the GREY
reported in abductee cases that works for the LARGE NOSED
GREY, a blond human like type described as the NORDIC, a red
haired human like type called the ORANGE. The homes of the
aliens were described as being a star in the Constellation of
Orion, Barnards star, and Zeta Riticuli 1&2. I cannot
remember even under hypnosis which alien belongs to which
star.
EBE is the name or designation given to the live alien
captured at the 1949 Roswell crash. He died in captivity.
KRLL OR KRLLL OR CRLL OR CRLLL pronounced Crill or Krill was
the hostage left with us at the first Holloman landing as a
pledge that the aliens would carry out their part of the
basic agreement reached during that meeting. KRLL gave us
the foundation of the yellow book which was completed by the
guests at a later date. KRLL became sick and was nursed by
Dr. G. Mendoza who became the expert on alien biology and
medicine. KRLL later died (I'm not to sure of his death as
this memory may be a carry over from EBE). His information
was diseminated under the pseudonym O.H. Cril or Crill.
KRLL became the Alien Ambassador to the United States.
GUESTS were aliens exchanged for humans who gave us the
balance of the yellow book. At the time I saw the
information there were only 3 left alive. They were called
(ALF's) Alien Life Forms.
RELIGION The aliens claim to have created Homo Sapiens
through hybridization. The papers said that RH- blood was
proof of this. They further claimed to have created all of
our major religions. They showed a hologram of the
crucifixion of Christ which the Government filmed. They
claim that Jesus was created by them.
ALIEN BASES exist in the four corners area of Utah, Colorado,
New Mexico, and Arizona. Six bases were described in the
1972 papers, all on indian reservations and all in the four
corners area. The base near Dulce was one of them.
MURDER The documents stated that many military and
government personnel had been terminated (murdered without
due process of law) when they had attempted to reveal the
secret.
CRAFT RECOVERYS The documents stated that many craft had
been recovered. The early ones from Roswell, Aztec, Roswell
again, Texas, Mexico, and other places.
GENERAL DOOLITTLE made a prediction that one day we would
have to reckon with the aliens and the document stated that
it appeared that General Doolittle was correct.
ABDUCTIONS were occurring long before 1972. The document
stated that humans and animals were being abducted and or
mutilated. Many vanished without a trace. They were taking
sperm and ova samples, tissue, performed surgical operations,
implanted a spherical device 40 to 80 microns in size near
the optic nerve in the brain and all attempts to remove it
resulted in the death of the patient. The document estimated
that 1 in every 40 people had been implanted. This implant
was said to give the aliens total control of that human.
CONTINGENCY PLAN SHOULD THE INFORMATION BECOME PUBLIC OR
SHOULD THE ALIENS ATTEMPT TAKEOVER.
This plan called for a public announcement that a terrorist
group had entered the United States with an Atomic weapon.
It would be announced that the terrorists planned to detonate
the weapon in a major city. Martial Law would be declared
and all persons with implants would be rounded up along with
all dissidents and would be placed into concentration camps.
The press, redio, and TV would be nationalized and
controlled. Anyone attempting to resist would be arrested or
killed.
CONTINGENCY PLAN TO CONTAIN OR DELAY RELEASE OF INFORMATION
This plan called for the use of MAJESTIC TWELVE as a
disinformation ploy to delay and confuse the release of
information should anyone get close to the truth. It was
selected because of the similarity of spelling and the
similarity to MJ-12. It was designed to confuse memory and
to result in a fruitless search for material which did not
exist.
I have information now (its about time) that the existance of
Project Joshua has been confirmed. The weapon was developed
and assembled at Ling Tempco Vought in Anahiem California.
It was described to me as being able to totally level ANY man
made structure from a distance of 2 miles. It was tested at
White Sands Proving grounds. It was developed between 1975
and 1978. It is a long horn shaped device connected to a
computer and amplifiers. LTV has since moved from its
Anaheim facility which was near the Grand Hotel across the
street from Disneyland.
I have also confirmed the existance of an alien craft at a
hanger at Edwards AFB. The hanger is at North Base. It has
been guarded by NON Edwards personnel (NRO - DELTA). The
guards had a badge that was red with a black triangle on the
face of the badge. No one was allowed near the hanger
without the badge. These people are no longer guarding the
hanger. The Edwards security force are instructed to check
the hanger each hour and report status. The hanger is locked
and no one is allowed inside. Edwards security personnel
have been instructed never to enter the hanger even if it has
been broken into. I have also confirmed the esistance of
alien material at a hanger at Edwards AFB.
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On craft & uniforms Marks bases and landing sites
This is one of the insignia that is on the alien craft. It
is called a TRILATERAL insignia. I do not know what it
means. It is in GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT NO. 13 and my
sources confirm that this is the alien flag so to speak.
MALEVOLENT ALIEN LIFE FORM (ALF) DESCRIPTION
The typical MALEVOLENT (ALF) as represented thus far can be
described as follows:
1. Between 3 to 5 ft. in hieght.
2. Erect standing biped. Long thin legs.
3. Small build (thin).
4. Head larger than normal (to human proportions).
5. Absence of auditory lobes (external earlobes).
6. Absence of body hair.
7. Large, tear shaped eyes, opacque black with
veretical slit pupils (cats eye).
8. Eyes slanted approx 35 degrees
9. Small straight mouth, thin lips.
10. Arms resemble praying mantis (normal attitude).
Arms reach to knees (extended).
11. Long hands (small palm)
12. Claw like fingers, two short, two long.
(webbed)
13. Tough, gray skin, reptile like in texture.
14. Small feet, 4 small claw like toes.
15. Some Organs are similar to humans but developed
in a different evolutionary process.
16. The most significant finding is that they have
a Nonfunctioning digestive system and two
separate brains. Digestive system in those
examined were atrophied. Conforms to absence
of provisions in recovered craft. (Prelininary
finding)
17. Movement is deliberate, slow, precise.
18. (Secondary finding after study)
Alien subsistance requires that they must have
human blood and other human biological
substances to survive. In extreme
circumstances they can subsist on other animal
fluids. Food is converted to energy by
chlorophyl through photosynthesis and waste
products are excreted through skin. (Did they
evolve from plant life? Not known at this
time.) These creatures possess two separate
brains separated by mid cranial lateral bone
partition (anterior brain - posterior brain)
with no apparent connection between the two.
GUEST-----------ALIEN LIFE FORM HELD PRISONER IN AN AREA
KNOWN AS THE ICE CAVE AT LOS ALAMOS, NEW
MEXICO. THERE WERE ORIGINALLY 16 CAPTIVE
ALIENS HELD AT THIS LOCATION. 15 HAVE DIED.
THE ALIEN "GUESTS" FURNISHED EXTENSIVE
INFORMATION ON THE ALIENS AND THEIR HISTORY
WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE "YELLOW BOOK". THESE
"GUESTS" WERE INDEED FED ICE CREAM AND LIKED
STRAWBERRY ABOVE ALL OTHER FLAVORS. THESE
ALIENS WERE HELD IN EXCHANGE FOR 16 HUMANS
WHO BECAME "GUESTS" OF THE ALIENS NO
INFORMATION REGARDING THE HUMAN "GUESTS" IS
AVAILABLE FROM ANY SOURCE. THE "GUESTS" ENJOY
MUSIC OF A FAR EASTERN NATURE AND ESPECIALLY
ENJOY MUSIC WHICH ORIGINATES FROM TIBET.
THEY POSSESS AN EXTREMELY HIGH IQ WHICH IS IN
THE 200 RANGE. THEY HAVE A TENDENCY TO LIE.
RELIGION--------THE ALIENS CLAIM THAT MAN IS A HYBRID CREATED
BY THEM. THEY CLAIM THAT ALL RELIGION WAS
CREATED BY THEM TO HASTEN THE FORMATION OF A
CIVILIZED CULTURE AND TO CONTROL THE HUMAN
RACE. THEY CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS A PRODUCT OF
THEIR EFFORTS. THE ALIENS HAVE FURNISHED
PROOF OF THESE CLAIMS AND HAVE A DEVICE THAT
ALLOWS THEM TO SHOW AUDIBLY AND VISUALLY ANY
PART OF HISTORY THAT THEY OR WE WISH TO SEE.
THEY CLAIM THAT RH- BLOOD IS THE PROOF OF
HYBRIDIZATION AND OUR OWN SCIENCE TENDS TO
BEAR OUT THEIR CLAIM.
This file contains the; (1) My reason for releasing this
information to the public, (2) My credentials, (3) The
existance of one other person to whom I gave the information
in 1972 in anticipation of one day needing to validate the
information.
(1) I have 2 reasons for releasing this information at this
time. (A) When I first saw the information I was sure that
the government would handle the situation and not allow the
people to be abducted, injured, or just disappear. My belief
in the government has proven false. Not only has it not been
handled but the situation has deteriorated and the incidents
have increased worldwide. What has happened is against the
Constitution of the United States of America which I have
sworn to uphold and protect. What is happening is against
every law in every state. What is happening violates the
human rights of every citizen of the world. It could happen
to any member or members of my family or your family at any
time. I am a loyal american and have never divulged any of
my countrys secrets and except for this one I never will. I
do not believe that revealing this secret is against the law
as the secret itself violates every law that has ever been
written. Senator Barry Goldwater was the Chairman of the
Senate Commitee which aproved funds for the CIA and has
stated publicly that he has no knowledge of any of this.
That means and it is a fact that the Congress is ignorant of
what is going on. In fact I believe that it is my duty to
expose it as thoroughly and as quickly as possible. I only
regret that I have waited so long. I waited because I
believed so much in our system of government. THE UNITED
STATES GOVERNMENT HAS BETRAYED ALL OF US. (B) In my efforts
to get the information out it became obvious that soon the
government would discover what I am doing and my life would
be in danger. I believe that my life is now in danger and
the only way to protect myself is to go public with the
information. I realize that the information is hard to
swallow and that many people will not believe it. I also
realize that I have exposed myself to ridicule. So be it.
If I am prosecuted or harmed in any way you all will know
that the information is correct. If I suddenly disappear you
will all know that the information is correct.
(2) I am the son of an Air Force officer and was reared on
Air Force bases all over the world. My father was a pilot.
As a child I repeatedly overheard pilots and airmen discuss
strange stories involving UFO's, Foo Fighters, strange
crashes of craft "not from here", and other subjects that
were exciting to me at the time. I graduated from High
School in Japan and shortly there-after joined the Air Force.
I finished basic at Lackland Air Force Base and was assigned
to the Strategic Air Command. I was an Aircraft and Missile
Pneudraulic Technician. During my training instructors would
regale us with tales of lonely nights spent on flight lines,
alert pads, and missile silos. They told of strange alien
craft that would come down and paralyse the men on station
and then remove the warhead from the missile and disappear at
fantastic speed. I met a sargeant who told me that he was
part of a team that transported such a large crashed disk
that it could only be moved at night on back roads and fences
and poles had to be torn down and replaced as the convoy
passed. I listened to all these stories and wondered what
was going on but didn't really believe them. I was
discharged from the Air Force in 1965. I was very
adventurous at the time and joined the navy in December of
1965. I volunteered for submarines and was assigned to the
USS Tiru (SS-416) at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. On a cruise to
the Portland Seattle area, while on lookout a UFO the size of
an Aircraft carrier rose up out of the water and disappeared
into the clouds while we were on the surface and I was the
Port lookout. It descended back down into the water and rose
back up into the clouds again several times. It was
witnessed by myself, The Starboard lookout, The Officer of
the deck, The Captain, and the Chief Quartermaster who took
pictures. We were told not to discuss it with anyone ever.
Upon docking at Pearl upon our return a man in plain clothes
came aboard and talked to each of us with only the Captain
present. He identified himself as an Intelligence Officer
(ONI) and asked me what I saw. I began to tell him and he
yelled at me to stop and then he again asked me what I saw.
I told him that I had not seen anything and he smiled at me
and told me I was a very good sailor. He told me that was
the right answer and dismissed me. I soon grew tired of the
cramped quarters of a Submarine and de-volunteered. The rest
of my history is as follows.
My primary military occupation is Quartermaster (Navigation)
My secondary NEC is 9545 (Internal Security)
Uss Tombigbee (AOG-11) Pacific and Vietnam sea duty.
Camp Carter, Vietnam Naval Security and Intelligence
Danang Harbor Patrol (gather
intelligence and secure the harbor)
and Cua Viet (DMZ) river patrol duty
(gather intelligence and secure the
river)
USS Charles Berry DE-1035 Pacific sea duty
CINCPACFLT STAFF Commander in Chief of the Pacific
Fleet Staff - OPSTAT reporting and
Naval Intelligence Briefing Team
Petty Officer of the Watch in the
Command Center
USS Oriskany CVA-35 Pacific sea duty.
Honorable Discharge December 1975 Rank E-6
Since leaving the navy I have worked at several companies
engaged in work for the government or the intelligence
community. Some of this work involved training foreign
military personnel. I have also obtained a college degree in
photography. This is a field I have long been interested in.
I am not now connected with the government or the
intelligence community except for friends that I have made
over the years. Most recently I have been involved in
management of civilian training facilities.
Admissions Representative
Airco technical Institute
Long Beach, California
Admissions Representative
Adelphi Business College
Anaheim, California
Executive Director
Adelphi Business College
Van Nuys, California
Marketing Executive
United Education & Software
Encino, California
Executive Director
Pacific Coast Technical Institute
Anaheim, California
Executive Director
Currently The institute where I am presently employed is
known to 3 of you and I do not wish it to be disclosed as the
release of this information could have adverse affects upon
my employment.
(3) In 1972 I related this information to one other person
for self protection and so that the information could be
verified at some latter date should the government not handle
the situation. I gave him the information on the eve of my
wedding. The last person to person contact I had with him
was in 1974. The last contact of ANY kind was in 1976 or
1977 by phone. I have not seen him, written to him, phoned
him, or had any contact with him at all since that time. I
maintained this distance to prevent any accusation of
collusion or hoax should it ever be neccessary to release the
information. I also did it for his protection so that he
would not be involved if the government should decide to harm
me before the information could be released. I gave him a
copy of the information in the form of a copy of an original
document. I retained the other copy but mine was destroyed
in a storage fire. He can and will verify the information to
the right person with the right code (which we agreed upon)
to release it. 3 of you have his name, the last place he
lived in 1976, and the code. I will not contact him until
the information is verified. He can validate my intelligence
background and the information. He can state all of this
truthfully and because of our seperation over the years will
be able to pass any lie detector test to prove this is not a
hoax. I would also be able to pass the same test or any
other test, sodium pentathol etc.
I have also received a call from a man named Christopher who
called from an area code in Maryland. By his conversation
with me on the phone I know that he has also seen the
Majority information and the Grudge document. I also know
that he is a member of Compuserve. That is all I know about
him. I left out a graphic on the reconstructed document that
I posted in my MAJIC file and he questioned the ommission.
It is a minor detail that I did not think important but he
spotted it. The only way he could have known that the
graphic was missing would be that he has seen it himself.
The graphic was 2 lightning bolts which strike at the bottom
of the finned rocket which is enclosed in the circle. Since
I could not put graphics in the document I only included a
short description.
I tested my father once by relating that I had seen
information while in the navy that the Government had
recovered UFO's which had crashed. I did this to guage his
reaction because I knew that at one time when I was very
little he was the radar Officer at White Sands Proving
Ground. He gave me a very knowing look and advised me not to
talk about it. I have never discussed the matter with him
since.
HISTORY WILL BE THE JUDGE OF ME AND THIS INFORMATION AND I
HAVE NO FEAR OF THAT JUDGEMENT. I SWEAR THAT THIS
INFORMATION IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE.
I wish to thank all those people who have aided me in
reaching this point and for their patience and understanding.
I owe you all more than I can ever repay.
Finally, it does not matter who is right and who is wrong or
if a project name is in the wrong place. It does not matter
who is working for who or what is really what. It should be
obvious by now that something sinister and terribly wrong is
going on involving the government and the UFO phenomenon. We
must all band together and expose it now. I have done my
part in the best manner that I could. I can add nothing else
except my testimony in Congress or a court of law that what I
saw and have written in this file is true and that I saw it.
COME FORWARD NOW IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION AT ALL WHICH
WILL SUBSTANTIATE THIS INFORMATION. THIS MAY BE THE ONLY
CHANCE TO EXPOSE THIS TERRIBLE SITUATION. IF I FAIL YOU ALL
FAIL.
Milton William Cooper (Bill)
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From: achorn@barracuda.cps.msu.edu (Achorn Brett W)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptics,sci.space
Subject: Re: past life on Mars
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In article <1992Mar13.120732.23793@tcom.stc.co.uk> fsb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Frank Stuart Brown) writes:
>In article <203309@unix.cis.pitt.edu> leping@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Leping N Zha) writes:
>> < reference deleted >
>
>I find the subject of past life on Mars fascinating.
>I pose the thoughts that:
> 1. Millions of years ago Mars was like earth.
Maybe billions of years ago, Mars was close to what Earth used to be.
But with the atmosphere being ionized and blown off, the water
evaporating or freezing, and extreme temperature variations,
it's hard to imagine an ecosystem under those conditions that would
allow life to get very far.
> 2. At the same time earth was the equivalent of
> what venus is now.
Earth was never like how Venus is now. Venus is trapped in a very
nasty greenhouse effect. If you think we have acid rain problems now,
it doesn't hold a candle to what Venus has.
> 3. As the sun shrinks so the outer planets cool and
> we must move nearer the sun.
The sun will expand first and almost certainly fry Mercury, besides
giving Earth the hotfoot.
> 4. Venus will eventually be habitable as earth dies.
Only if Venus' greenhouse effect problems can be brought under
control, the sulfuric acid oceans cleaned up, and water, oxygen, nitrogen,
and basically an entire ecosystem introduced.
> 5. Was the asteroid belt our original planet before Mars?
Humans just haven't been around long enough to be interplanetary
nomads, even if some other mysterious force has been carting us around.
On the planetary scale, we just learned how to stand up this morning.
>
>No flames please just genuine discussion.
>
>Thanks,
>Frank
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I think we'd have better luck
a) trying to fix Earth
b) terraforming Titan (in our free time)
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From: dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
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Subject: Re: Mars Face / General Info.
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In article <1992Mar13.120732.23793@tcom.stc.co.uk> fsb@tcom.stc.co.uk (Frank Stuart Brown) writes:
>
>I find the subject of past life on Mars fascinating.
>I pose the thoughts that:
> 1. Millions of years ago Mars was like earth.
More like billions of years ago.
> 2. At the same time earth was the equivalent of
> what venus is now.
Only in surface temperature (maybe). Venus has lost most of its
water.
> 3. As the sun shrinks so the outer planets cool and
> we must move nearer the sun.
Again, the billion-year timescale, not millions at all. Which doesn't
rule out solar variation altogether......
> 4. Venus will eventually be habitable as earth dies.
Not without a couple teratons of water dumped into the atmosphere.
> 5. Was the asteroid belt our original planet before Mars?
>
Is there enough mass in the belt to ever have constituted a planet?
I doubt it. The belt is there because the combined gravitational
effects of Jupiter and Mars prevented coalescence of the asteroids.
Its been calculated that asteroid motions become chaotic, resulting in
ejection of matter from the belt.
>No flames please just genuine discussion.
>
OK so far?
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Subject: Re: Circles in the fields
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In article <3NRK+L=@irie.ais.org> dc@ais.org (David Daniels) writes:
>
>I remember seeing on TV, a segment of a show, which had two farmers (I
>bleave) who admited to creating the circles. Then, later in the show, or on
>a different show (can't recall) they had pretty solid proof that humans
>could not have made these circles.. Does anyone know what any of this proof
>was? The topic came up the other day and I can't quite remember anything
>that they had said on the show..
>
1) The soil becomes dehydrated, obviously from a large amount
of heat used in creating the crop circle. The soil seems to lose
it's ability to absorb water...when placed in water it does not
turn into mud. I have seen this on TV in the early 80's when
they discussed crop circles formed in the US.
2) Humans are not perfect. They do not make things perfectly unless
they put in lots of money, technology, planning, and effort. A
farmer cannot make a crop circle as perfect as they are. British
troops tried to but failed to make a perfect circle, although I guess
if they were thousands of miles away it might make a perfect dot.
3) The stalks are never broken; they are merely arced over. When
humans tried to make crop circles, the stalks ALWAYS break.
4) The stalks continue to grow.
5) People have held stake outs, waiting for circles to be frormed.
They claim that some circles are formed within 20 seconds of no-one
looking at the site, usually at night or in a fog patch. No noises
are heard. Observers are usually camped out on a hill top.
6) Numerous crop circles have appeared all over the world,
concentrating on rural areas. All circles have the same traits as
far as the soil is concerned. In some cases grass dies. This
is evidence that there are few hoaxes. If all crop circles are
hoaxes, then the perpetrator would have to:
a) Have lots of money
b) Have access to tarnsportation around the world,
mostly North America and Western Europe
c) Have advanced technology
d) Use heat or a device which produces lots of excess heat
to bend the stalks
e) Have the intent of fooling people on a huge, massive
scale
f) Have the ability to keep hidden while forming circles
g) Have the ability to plan designs that are complicated
to design from the ground by humans...humans would make
mistakes. Some crop circles have four circles of identicle
sizes. Some have toruses. Some are symmetrical. Humans
would make mistakes unless all parts were marked out by
corner posts, line markings, etc.
h) Last of all, with the amount of effort that goes into
this, there would have to be lots of human participants.
One farmer cannot make 10 crop circles on his farm, let alone
100 farmers...
The evidence is there. The message is clear to me; however, I have
no idea what any of them mean. Some people may figure out what they mean,
and that will be the day...
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From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
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Subject: Re: past life on Mars
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The arguments for life on Mars are
(1) Life on earth seemed to start very early. There are biomarkers in earth's
oldest rocks 3.9 GY.
(2) Mars seems to have had dense enough air or water to cause the erosional
features seen there.
But we won't know until we go back with more and better robots (which looks
unlikely the next couple of decades).
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From: CSYSPCN@mvs.oac.ucla.edu (CSYSPCN)
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Subject: Kuwait poodle profile
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Has anyone else noticed how much the photomicograph of a dust
partical from the Kuwait oil fires published on p159 of the
March 7'th Science News resembles a poodle?
Is this evidence of LITTLE green men?
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From: revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
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Subject: Re: Kuwait poodle profile
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CSYSPCN@mvs.oac.ucla.edu (CSYSPCN) writes:
> Has anyone else noticed how much the photomicograph of a dust
> partical from the Kuwait oil fires published on p159 of the
> March 7'th Science News resembles a poodle?
>
> Is this evidence of LITTLE green men?
No, it just means that Zsa Zsa Gabor is really the Anti-Earth-Mother.
Rev. P-K--- "And her sister Eva clubs BABY SEALS to death for her WARDROBE."
Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano
revpk@cellar.org
Organizer of the Delaware Valley Skeptics (though opinions posted are my own,
and not representative).
"Not only does Bush have a depression on his hands, now he's got this self
pitying, pathologically lying pornofreak on the Supreme Court." -- Robert Bly,
in conversation with Deborah Tannen.
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From: puchtinger@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca
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Subject: Re: Info on Ummits
Message-ID: <1992Mar15.133407.1@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca>
Date: 15 Mar 92 17:34:07 GMT
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In article <1992Mar14.102656.23170@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, pgalley@isis.cs.du.edu (Patrick galley) writes:
>
> I've read several month ago some article in this newsgroup about the
> Ummits and the J.P. Petit's book.
> I would like to know if someone have ever heard something about others
> group ....of peoples who have been contacted by the Ummits than in Spanien.
> I woul to know if someone have other information source about this subject
> and and what is the credibility rate of this subject.
>
> thanks .
> Patrick
>
> Patrick Galley
> Student at the Engineering School of Geneva
> galley@eig.unige.ch
>
> Please , could you send me your answer directly by e-mail or trough
> sci.skeptic, because I can't access to alt.alien.visitors easily.
I dont know anything about this.
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
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Subject: Found this over in sci.physics
Summary: From the "What's New" of 13 March, 1992; periodically posted to sci.physics
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>WHAT'S NEW, Friday, 13 March 1992 Washington, DC
>
>..... stuff deleted to save space...
>
>2. THERE IS AN URGENT NEED TO REDIRECT U.S. WEAPONS SCIENTISTS as
>well. In Los Alamos on 4 Feb 1992, one speaker called for a fleet
>of 1200 powerful new missiles to be made ready and armed with the
>world's entire arsenal of nuclear warheads! And Edward Teller
>urged development of a superbomb, 10,000 times more powerful than
>the 65 megaton monster the Soviets exploded in 1960! Lowell Wood
>became so excited he could not contain himself; from the back of
>the auditorium he shouted "Nukes forever!" The enemy? A killer
>comet. One might be discovered any day, headed for a collision
>with Earth. Those who had defended the free world from the evil
>empire, far from becoming irrelevant, would now save Earth from
>cosmic disaster. Congress directed NASA to conduct workshops on
>both detection (WN 6 Mar 92) and interception of near-Earth
>objects. The organizers of the Los Alamos interception workshop
>regretted that the press had been mistakenly barred.
Though I'm skeptical (but open-minded) of the claims that there is a
killer meteor/planet/comet/ufo/? headed this way, I thought I'd post
this here since this part of the article contains a lot of interesting
stuff that conspiracy buffs can mull over and discuss. It has all the
buzz words: super bomb, Teller, Los Alamos, Collision of comets w/earth,
press was 'mistakenly' barred, etc., etc.
Sounds interesting but somewhat uncharacteristic for being in the
"What's New" over in sci.physics. Is this a hoax?
Jon Noring
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Subject: test
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this is a test
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From: smeagol@carina.unm.edu (Karl P.)
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Subject: Re: ? Majestic Twelve ?
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In article <92073.121819GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu> Guy Hadsall <GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu> writes:
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>What is it ?
>Who is it ?
>Why are people afraid of its utterance ?
For GOD'S sake, Don't ask! I found out and then was later contacted by
some very stern-looki...mph!
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In article <1992Mar15.151716.1@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca> puchtinger@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca writes:
>this is a test
in case of an actual post, you would be directed to the emergency action
newsgroup, alt.emergency.info. :^)
we now return you to your regularly scheduled posting
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From: revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
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Subject: Re: ? Majestic Twelve ?
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GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu (Guy Hadsall) writes:
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> What is it ?
> Who is it ?
> Why are people afraid of its utterance ?
Oh, NO! He SAID it! Jesus Mother! AAAAGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano
revpk@cellar.org
Organizer of the Delaware Valley Skeptics (though opinions posted are my own,
and not representative).
"Not only does Bush have a depression on his hands, now he's got this self
pitying, pathologically lying pornofreak on the Supreme Court." -- Robert Bly,
in conversation with Deborah Tannen.
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From: wcstom@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Hamill)
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Subject: Re: La, la, la...
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In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>In article pdevans@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul D Evans) writes:
>>In article colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) writes:
>>> In article entropy@wintermute.WPI.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>> >In article kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
>>>
>>> >> GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT .SIGNATURE VIRUSES ARE PASSE.
>>>
>>> >They will just mutate to get around it!
>>>
>>> >Evolution is god!
>>> Sanitation is fraud:
>>Sandinistas ate Maude.
>Santa Claus baits God.
>Satan Claws Bates Dog! Film At Eleven!
Satin draws mates bod.
---tom
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