Info-ParaNet Newsletters April 21st 1991

                 Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 394

 

                            Sunday, April 21st 1991

 

Today's Topics:

 

                                 Human visitors

                                     Again?

                            Re: Statements of accepta

                           Re: Gravitational magnetism

                              Extraordinary Claims

                            Re: Statements of accepta

                                  Moondome.Zip

                             Belgium Information (2)

                             Belgium Information (3)

                        Belgium Information (Conclusion)


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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)

Subject: Human visitors

Date: 17 Apr 91 13:38:00 GMT



 * Replying to a message originally to All

 ee> From: snelson@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven Nelson)

 ee> 

 ee> 

 ee> 

 ee>         Why are the visitors so humanlike? Given the

 ee> complexity of the

 ee> evolutionary process, the odds that aliens would have such

 ee> a human shape as is

 ee> commonly reported seems rather implausible. Parallel

 ee> evolution adapts creatures

 ee> that live in similar environments to similar shapes, yet

 ee> certainly there's no

 ee> reason to assume that our planet and any alien planet would

 ee> be remotely

 ee> similar.

 ee>         I hold out, at present, no explanations. I would

 ee> not invalidate the

 ee> phenomenon based on this point, but I find that this datum,

 ee> which many

 ee> researchers seem to ignore, is essential to understanding

 ee> the UFO phenomenon.

 ee> 

 ee>         I use Whitley Streiber's term 'visitors' simply

 ee> because it is less

 ee> committal than the term 'aliens.'

 ee> 

 ee> Does anyone have any comments?

 ee> 

 ee> -Steve


Hi Steve; I think that if you look at what one single cell has done 

when a new child is born, you can apply that to the birth of a new 

planet or solar system. Very much the same but different. Have you 

thought about the possibly that we might be transplants from some 

other solar system. If you read the great book, it mentions the 

angels came down and mated with man. We can assume that a sprirt 

can't mate with a mortal, then who were the angels they mention? 

Good question that could be debated and has for many centurys.

   Also if you believe the people that have cllaimed to have seen or 

been in contact with aliens, you will get a lot of different types 

and shapes that are reported as you mentioed. This is what we should 

be reseaching in rather then debating if they are here or not.

          73's      ---Jim---

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From: John.Hicks@p2.f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)

Subject: Again?

Date: 17 Apr 91 19:25:00 GMT



 > Hmmmm...isn't it about the time for them to gear up for the

 > upcoming tourist season?  This seems to becoming a springtime

 > ritual.


  Good point. Seems like something happens early every April.


                                           jbh


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From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender)

Subject: Re: Statements of accepta

Date: 15 Apr 91 08:02:36 GMT



     

 >>      I am looking for statements they have committed to print and public

 >> distribution;

     

 JS> Sorry; can't really help you there. I do believe that the 

 JS> statements you seek exist in many places, most notably the 

 JS> Skeptical Inquirer, but I couldn't cite you specific references.


     I was of the same 'impression' re the Skeptical Inquirer; what I

can't understand is, when I ask people who I feel should be familiar

with this material to give references, in order to substantiate or

unsubstantiate the general impressions, I get nowhere. That says

something, either about the material or the people.

     

 >>      Such statements would be quite valuable. It would at least show how

 >> competent these guys are as scientists (assuming they would actually

 >> write their own stuff) as opposed to propagandists.

     

 JS> It is my impression that these guys are competent "scientific 

 JS> thinkers." (Define "scientist.") I am not by any stretch of the


     I would rather define what is "scientific" rather than trust a

"scientist" to be always "scientific".


     So, now my stab at a definition of "scientific": 1) Objective and

repeatable standards of measurement, 2) objective and consistent

validation of data, uncoupled to any specific theory or hypothesis, 3)

Explicit statement of all assumptions, 4) Explicit and quantitative

formulation of theories, either algorithmically or heuristically.


 JS> imagination a "scientist", but I believe I've got a grasp on 

 JS> how the thinking process goes. While I disagree with their 

 JS> parameters for evidence, I recognize that there is enough room 

 JS> for gentlemanly debate on the subject without stooping to the

 JS> degree of vilification you seem to revel in. The bottom line 


     If the issue is still unclear, perhaps the "gentlemanly debate"

hasn't been as productive as you think. Perhaps we should stoop to

criticise improper thinking, even when our friends do it. On the other

hand, I 'was' engaged in sarcastic parody at some points. For that, I'll

apologize.


 JS> is, I *do* believe that "these guys" will accept *SOMETHING*

 JS> solid as evidence, and though they do seem to present a moving


     All I'm trying to do is determine exactly what that "SOMETHING" is.

As you know, it's not a question of belief; evidence acquired will make

a specific hypothesis or theory (though in the case of UFO

investigation, I think the term "explanation" is more accurate) either

more probable or less probable. Granted, trying to develop a consistent

and explicit process for evaluating exactly how much even "accepted"

evidence bolsters any particular theory is not easy. However,

materialist that I am, I assume that if the human mind is capable of

doing it then we can, with sufficient technological resources, model the

procedure, and in the process get rid of many of the aspects of human

psychology that interfere with objectivity.


 JS> target, I believe that, if UFOs are a genuine, physical 

 JS> phenomenon, it is within our power to gather the requisite 

 JS> amount of evidence to convince them. Of course, with some of


     "Within our power" if they have explicit and reasoned standards of

evidence.


 >>      When Rick, a member of the Bay Area Skeptics and CSICOP, evaded

 >> this issue so persistently it merely reinforced a pattern I've seen in

 >> skeptics before; using science when it is convenient, and ignoring it

 >> otherwise.

     

 JS> <sigh> I have seen that pattern in skeptics myself. I just 

 JS> don't see it in Rick, and I don't think you should be painting 

 JS> with such a broad brush. 


     Everyone has blind spots; I can't claim absolute correctness. I

pointed out what I considered to be serious, and specific, lapses.


 ... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh

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From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender)

Subject: Re: Gravitational magnetism

Date: 15 Apr 91 08:02:15 GMT



 >>      I got the impression that the mass goes through

 >> the toroid, not the coils.

 >>

 KL> He's written back that the stellar mass goes through the

 KL> coils and that the mass/movement is the cause of this

 KL> gravitational magnetism.


     Sounds like it would take quite a bit of energy to force the mass

along that path. They'd better run a 440 line to the generator.


 >>      What are "Planck energy values"?

     

 KL> Values of energies present at the birth of our universe.


     If these are energy values, then the exact magnitude is

meaningless, since we can arbitrarily choose whatever units we wish. In

the comparison I made, the 10e40 ratio is independent of the unit of

measurement.


     I'll try to look up a copy of Zee's book. In the meantime, two

quick questions: Energies of what? At what time after the BB does this

refer? ("birth" is a little ambiguous.)


 KL> A. Zee, Gravity, an Old Man's Toy.

 >>

 >>      The 10e40 value for comparative field strength of

 >> the EM force over the gravitational force comes from a

 >> comparison of the field strengths for specific particles.

     

 KL> Yes, but that's a misapplication of the forces involved with

 KL> the scale of distances being used to carry this discussion.

     

     It might be a misapplication, but not because of the scale. As I

said, the ratio is valid for any distance, since both EM and G field

strengths are proportional to 1/r^2. There would be a problem with

comparing the other fundamental interactions, since they do not share

the same property.


 ... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh

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From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender)

Subject: Extraordinary Claims

Date: 17 Apr 91 08:25:42 GMT



 RM> A claim is extraordinary if its acceptance would require

 RM> rejecting massive amounts of well- (if tentatively) accepted,

 RM> accumulated knowledge.  This happened, for example, when


     All scientific knowledge is tentative.


     You've described an extraordinary claim; what is "extrardinary

evidence"?


 RM> geologists suddenly accepted plate tectonics in the early '60s, 

 RM> when the quantity and quality of evidence _for_ tectonics 

 RM> became convincing -- after 45 years.  It has never happened, 

 RM> for example, with Charles Fort's hollow-earth theories, since 

 RM> that evidence is, um, unconvincing.


     Exactly what were the "massive amounts of well- (if tentatively)

accepted, accumulated knowledge"  that were rejected (or if I can

interject the term contradicted) by the theory of plate tectonics?


     Based on what I know of the situation, it was considered

"extraordinary" only in the sense that no known mechanism could be

supplied to account for the movements of the plates. In other words, it

just didn't "fit in". That's a much different (and weaker) reason to

label something "extraordinary" that the one you described.

Unfortunately, I suspect it is also more often the case.


 RM> This is -=not=- a double-standard, since it is just a corollary

 RM> of the maxim that _all_ claims should be supported by

 RM> _appropriate_ evidence. (The preponderance of quantity and

 RM> quality rules.) >>


     Adopting this "maxim" means that there should be clear and specific

methods for determining what is "appropriate" evidence; otherwise, you

are right, it's not a double standard, it's a non-standard supporting

only non-science. Where can I get a copy of such rules and methods?


 RM> That statement is also frequently used to discourage honest

 RM> research into certain subjects....


 RM> For the record, as I have said here _many, many times_, I'm all

 RM> in favour of honest research, regardless of subject.

 RM> In other words, a (real or imagined) lack of proof is often

 RM> used to rationalize avoiding the very investigation that would

 RM> be required to develop such proof in the first place.


 RM> For the record, I'm against imagining a lack of proof.


 RM> For the record, I'm against rationalising.


 RM> For the record, I'm all in favour of investigations.


     For the record, it's too bad saying something over and over doesn't

make the statement any more valid.


     What's the point of favoring the investigations if you reserve the

right to 'arbitrarily' decide if the evidence they provide are valid?


 RM> If anything, 'extraordinary' claims (assuming one is

 RM> interested  enogh to follow them up in the first place)

 RM> require extraordinarily  openiminded, careful and resourceful

 RM> science....


     What 'specific' qualities distinguish "extraordinarily openiminded,

 careful and resourceful science" from the "run-of-the-mill" science. I

 doubt that it can be the same as the criteria for extraordinary

 evidence, i.e. it contradicts massive amounts of accepted science.


  RM> RM> For the record, I'm absolutely keen on open-minded, careful,

 and RM> resourceful science. RM> >> ...Period. RM> RM> Period, as long

 as one realises that any very surprising RM> result, whose acceptance

 would require massive revisions in RM> accepted scientific knowledge,

 will need to have strong RM> evidence.  This is the _ordinary_ standard

 of science, and RM> applies equally to Alfed Wegener, father of plate

 tectonics, RM> and to Robert Jahn of the Princeton PK experiments. No

 more, no RM> less.


     Nice platitudes; it's just unfortunate the real world isn't that

way. All too often evidence is rejected not because it contradicts

massive amounts of other evidence, but because the is no mechanism or

model to "explain" the data, or because of a superficial similarity to a

separate theory that was discredited.


     Submitted for your consideration: 120 years ago Bill Scientist

notes a correlation between weather patterns on earth and sunspot

activity. The scientist is ridiculed, because it is such a ridiculous

idea; "How could the sun influence the earth through the void of space?

Besides, these crackpots are linking sunspots with everything. The

evidence is obviously faulty; I reject it."


     Second submission: Joe Psychic claims he is receiving messages from

extraterrestrial entities based on Pluto. Is this claim "extraordinary"?

If so, what massive amounts of valid evidence are contradicted by this

claim.


  RM> Some people just won't accept that standard (Velikovsky, RM>

 Reich...). That's fine, but then what they do isn't science.


     Science also requires explicit and objective criteria that are

consistently applied; as long as that is lacking for the term

"extraordinary", it has no place in science.


     BTW, aren't you grandstanding on this "scientific standards" thing.

Will you just let these guys use whatever standards they damn well

please and quit whining. (sarcasm flag)


 ... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh

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From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender)

Subject: Re: Statements of accepta

Date: 17 Apr 91 08:40:25 GMT


>> The good [text files] should be presented so that they may be acted

>> on, and the bad ones, so that they may stand as examples of how NOT

>> to think.  I suspect that if Rick kept the files up because he damn

>> well felt like it, this may be WHY he damn well felt like it.

     

 RM> Thank you.  That's pretty much the real reason (and it's never 

 RM> been an issue in these parts).  It's just that whenever people 

 RM> start grandstanding to me about how sysops _should_ run their 

 RM> boards (as opposed to making suggestions), I simply tell them 

 RM> to go hang.  Sysops get a continual parade of such folk, and I 

 RM> have little patience for them.


     Rick, you have a tendency to twist any criticism into a personal

attack. Don't. I replied to another message here in which 'you' assert

that scientific principles have to be followed consistently. My

statements about deleting files arbitrarily, or distributing files

without warning as to known contradictions, were in line with (at least

what I consider to be) valid scientific principles. And yes, you 'don't'

get to make your own rules 'if' you want to adhere to scientifically

correct procedures. All I did was to point that out. Run your board

however you wish, but it is certainly valid to judge you on your

decisions.


     Perhaps what you have little patience for is being held to your own

standards.

     

 RM> I have less patience when the grandstanding is just another 

 RM> ploy in a tiresome smear campaign, and none at all when that 

 RM> campaign has extended (notwithstanding allegations to the 

 RM> contrary) over a two year period in the FidoNet SCIENCE, 

 RM> PHYSICS, and UFO conferences -- and now here, too.


     SMEAR CAMPAIGN? Get real. You construe a consistent argument about

certain "scientific" standards of evidence as a smear campaign. That is

not in keeping with your claims about "open-minded" debate.


     Can you proffer any evidence of this SMEAR CAMPAIGN? Maybe the

people on 'this' echo would like to see more than your vague

allegations. I detect an overabundance of paranoia that is usually more

characteristic of those making what skeptics label as "claims of the

paranormal".

     

 RM> Again, notwithstanding allegations to the contrary, I advocated

 RM> sysops' classifying download files as "Sysop's Picks" or other

 RM> _only_ as a less drastic alternative to deleting Cooper's files.

     

     There were never any "allegations to the contrary". Again, all I

wanted were the criteria for classifying the files, and pointed out that

"because I damn well felt like it" lacked a certain measure of

scientific correctness. I really don't want to harp on this, but if you

are going to misrepresent the situation, I have to.


 RM> Once more, notwithstanding allegations to the contrary, I am 

 RM> not a "member" of CSICOP.  I serve on its Electronic 

 RM> Communications Subcommittee, offering it advice and help in 

 RM> that area, and do not presume to speak for it.  (To find out 

 RM> CSICOP's views, contact CSICOP.) I _do_ speak for Bay Area 

 RM> Skeptics, however. 


     I apologize. It was totally inappropriate for me to interpret your

signature line:


    "Best Regards,

     Rick Moen, Secretary

     Bay Area Skeptics

     Member, Electronic Communications Subcommittee, CSICOP"


as implying that you were a member of CSICOP. How foolish of me. I'm

sorry if I caused any confusion by doing such a damnably stupid thing.

Thanks for the clarification.


     Would it be appropriate for me to ask if you support CSICOP's

views?


 RM> My occasional and long-time correspondant John Tender _has_, 

 RM> however, suggested (in a roundabout way) a useful project:  

 RM> Writing to Klass, Oberg, Sheaffer, other members of CSICOP's 

 RM> UFO Subcommittee, and to other prominent UFOlogists, and ask 

 RM> them _formally_ what they would accept as convincing evidence 

 RM> of the ET UFO hypothesis.  (Allegations to the contrary, I 

 RM> never stated that Klass, Oberg, and Sheaffer had _published_ 

 RM> such statements, only that they had "said" what would convince 

 RM> them. They _may_ have published this; I don't remember.) 

 RM> Perhaps someone else in ParaNet could do this -- I'm swamped. 


     OK, they "said" it. (But they were whispering over in the corner and

everyone else was too tired and nobody remembers it and they said it in

small dribbles here and there and no one has 'any' record of it but they

said it, maybe not clearly and maybe they were wrong and who am I to

judge, but they definitely said it.) OK.


     Gee, you saw something useful in my messages? I'll have to remember

to restrain my remarks to smearing you character and filter out that

useful stuff. (sarcasm alert)


 RM> In my opinion, any skeptic who considers himself an authority 

 RM> on UFOlogy (which I've consistently said I'm _not_, remember) 

 RM> should be able to provide a clear -- and serious -- answer to 

 RM> that question.  For that matter, so should any other avowedly 

 RM> serious UFOlogist. 


>> I *believe* Klass is looking for some kind of statement from a body

>> such as the National Academy of Sciences...

     

 RM> The _Betelgeusian_ Academy of Sciences?  <grin>


     Kim Basinger?

     

 RM> I think Phil Klass can probably specify a little better than 

 RM> that. Fortunately, he's not at all difficult to reach.  You can 

 RM> tell him that Moen is stirring up trouble again.

     

 RM> Best Regards,

 RM> Rick M.

     

 ... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh

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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)

Subject: Moondome.Zip

Date: 19 Apr 91 08:12:00 GMT



Linda, I'm happy to report the file MOONDOME.ZIP is online here.


I have forwarded a copy to Mike Corbin at ParaNet Alpha for 

distribution here.


The file is text only, no illustrations.  I hope to supplement it 

with scanned art & photos when time allows.  Thank you for your 

patience and good reading!


Best,

  Clark



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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm)

Subject: Belgium Information (2)

Date: 18 Apr 91 01:14:00 GMT


<<Continued from previous message>>


 It is perhaps because the objects are so far unidentified,  that

the  Belgian  Air Force has undertaken the task  of  chasing  and

investigating  the  intruders. As Col. Wilfried de  Brouwer,  the

Chief of Operations of the Belgian Air Force who is  coordinating

the  UFO  investigation,  told  The  Wall  Street  Journal,  "Our

approach  is that it's our job to see what's going  on."  Indeed,

the  UFO flap climaxed on the night of March 30-31 of 1990,  when

unknown targets were tracked by two radar installations. The  one

at  Glons,  located southeast of Brussels, belongs  to  the  NATO

defense group - NATO Headquarters is in Brussels - while that  at

Semmerzake,  west  of Brussels, is in charge of  controlling  all

military and civilian traffic in the entire Belgian territory. At

that  point, the master-controller at Glons ordered the  scramble

of  two  F-16 interceptors, which also locked the  UFO  on  their

onboard radars.

  We  have  obtained,  courtesy  of  French  researcher  Jean-Luc

Rivera, a copy of the complete report of this incident, which was

prepared  by  Air Force Major P. Lambrechts, from the  Air  Force

General Staff in Brussels, and which was forwarded to the  SOBEPS

following  the instructions of full cooperation with that  group.

The  "Report Concerning the Observation of UFOs During the  Night

of  March  30  to 31, 1990," includes a full  chronology  of  the

events, as well as a thick dossier of enclosures with eyewitness'

descriptions  from  several  gendarmes  and  maps  of  where  the

sightings took place.

  Major  P.  Lambrechts  explains at  the  inception  that,  "the

observations  both visual and by radar were of such nature,  that

it  was decided to order the scramble of two F-16  aircraft  with

the  goal of identifying these UFOs." The report  also  indicates

that  "the  presence or testing of B2 or F117  (Stealth  Bomber),

RPVs  (Remotely Piloted Vehicles), ULMs (Ultra  Light  Motorized)

and AWACS at the moment of these events in the Belgian  airspace,

can be excluded. "

  According  to the Chronology, the Sequence of events  began  at

22.50  hours, when the "master controller at Glons "  received  a

telephone call from gendarme Renquin, who reported he was  seeing

from  his house in Ramillies, "three unusual lights. . .  forming

an  equilateral triangle, and with changing colors of red,  green

and  yellow." At 23.05, the Gendarmerie at Wavre sent  a  patrol,

which  confirmed the observation. At 23.15, Renquin called  again

to inform that he was seeing a new set of three lights, while the

radar screens at Glons detected " an unidentified contact  moving

at  a  speed of around 25 knots." (A knot is  equivalent  to  one

nautical mile - 6,080 feet - per hour. )

  For  the  next two and a half hours, an  increasing  number  of

gendarmes  and other witnesses continued to observe  the  strange

maneuvers  of  up  to  three sets of  triangular  lights  in  the

outskirts  of  Brussels.  By 23.49 hours, the  radar  screens  at

Semmerzake confirmed the targets and the order to scramble two F-

16s  was given at 23.56 hours, taking off at 00.05 on  March  31.

According  to the report, "the aircraft had brief radar  contacts

on  several occasions." However, each time that "the pilots  were

able  to secure a lock on one of the targets for a  few  seconds,

this  resulted each time in a drastic change in the  behavior  of

the UFOs."

  During  the first lock on at 00.13, continues the report,  "the

speed of the target changed in a minimum of time from 150 to  970

knots  and  from 9,000 to 5,000 feet, returning  then  to  11,000

feet,  in  order to change again to close to ground  level;  this

resulted  in a 'break lock' in a few seconds and the pilots  lost

the radar contact." In another lock on at 00.30 hours, the "break

lock" was achieved by what the report calls "a jamming signal  on

the screen."

  Col. de Brouwer explained to Paris Match reporter Marie-Therese

de Brosses, that the change of velocity from 280 KPM to 1,800 KPH

while descending from 3,000 meters to 1,000 meters in one second,

was  a  fantastic acceleration equivalent to 40  Gs.  This  would

exclude  any human pilot onboard the UFO, since humans  can  only

withstand  8 Gs. (A "G " is a unit of acceleration equivalent  to

the  gravitational pull of the earth, 9.81 m/sec/sec.)  When  the

UFO  approached the ground level, continued Col. de Brouwer,  "it

was out of the question for the F-16 to catch up with the  object

at  this  low altitude, where the density of the air  limits  the

speed  to  1,300 KMP. Above that speed, the  temperature  in  the

compressors of the jet turbines would cause the engines to burst.

There  was a logic behind the motions of the object,"  added  the

Colonel.


In any case, the cat and mouse game went on until shortly after 1

am,  when the F-16s were ordered to return to their base. On  the

ground, however, Captain Pinson and other gendarmes continued  to

observe "four white luminous spots forming a square" until around

1.30,  when  "the four UFOs lost their luminosity and  seemed  to

disappear  in  four  different  directions."  Significantly,  the

weather conditions on that night were very clear, allowing ground

witnesses  to  observe  the objects in detail,  as  well  as  the

pursuit  by the F-16s. The pilots, however, did not  observe  the

objects visually.

  Major  Lambrechts  finally  excludes a  number  of  alternative

hypotheses  for the UFOs, such as "optical  illusions,  confusion

with   planets  or  other  meteorological  phenomena...   weather

balloons.  .  .  or meteorological inversions.  .  .  holographic

projections,"  etc. More importantly, he writes that "the  speeds

measured  at  he moment of the change of altitudes,  exclude  the

hypothesis  that  the  UFOs  observed  could  be  confused   with

aircraft. " Still more puzzling was the fact that, "despite  that

on  several  occasions high speeds above the speed of  the  sound

barrier  were measured, the shock wave was never observed.  Here,

no  explanation can be given." The French physicist  Jean  Pierre

Petit concurred: "In reality," he told Paris Match, "there is  no

machine  made  by man, either an airplane or a missile,  that  is

capable of such performance. Specifically, flying at the speed of

sound without making a sonic boom."


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Subject: Belgium Information (3)

Date: 18 Apr 91 01:15:00 GMT


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  Although  the Belgian military authorities have  insisted  that

the  UFOs  in Wallonia are no secret aircraft,  the  similarities

between the triangular craft seen in Belgium with the  boomerang-

shaped objects reported throughout the last decade in the  Hudson

Valley  in  New York and Western Connecticut, as  well  as  other

triangular UFOs observed in Wytheville, Virginia, Fyffe, Alabama,

and Puerto Rico, among other places, have led some researchers to

suggest  that  the technology behind all  these  observations  is

terrestrial and not extraterrestrial.

  The similarity between the Belgian and Hudson Valley flaps  was

noted  by SOBEPS investigator Patrick Ferryn. Commenting  on  the

book  Night  Siege  by the late  Dr.  Allen  Hynek,  investigator

Phillip  Imbrogno  and reporter Bob Pratt, which  documented  the

Hudson  Valley  cases,  Ferryn wrote that "changing  only  a  few

words,  exactly the same could be written to give an  account  of

the position of affairs here! [in Belgium] The same goes for many

entire pages and excerpts elsewhere in the book."

  While  nobody doubts that people have been seeing something  in

both  upstate New York and Wallonia in Belgium, the big  question

is  whether  these sightings are caused by true UFOs or  by  some

kind  of  new revolutionary secret  military  aircraft.  Foremost

among  the  proponents  of  the  secret  weapon  theory  is  Tony

Gonsalves,  a researcher from East Providence, Rhode Island,  who

served  as a jet mechanic and plane captain for the U.S. Navy  on

three aircraft carriers between 1959 and 1963.

  In  a  number  of papers written during  the  last  two  years,

Gonsalves  has developed his theory of "The American made UFO"  -

that the boomerangs of Westchester and Duchess counties, as  well

as the triangular UFOs of Belgium, Virginia and Puerto Rico,  are

actually  a  modified covert version of the B-2  Stealth  Bomber.

Gonsalves  believes this craft has been fully  operational  since

the early 80s, while the official B-2 bomber that was unveiled in

1988  is a "decoy" to deceive the American public, the media  and

the  Congress.  Furthermore,  Tony  Gonsalves  and  a  few  other

ufologists   speculate  that  this  secret  aircraft   may   even

incorporate  some  alien  technology obtained  from  UFO  crashes

decades ago.

  Gonsalves' theory seemed to gain some credibility when Aviation

Week & Space Technology magazine reported in its October 1,  1990

edition that, "large, triangular wing-Shaped aircraft" are indeed

being tested out of the Nellis Air Force range in Nevada and  the

Tehachapi  Mountains  near Edwards AFB in  California.  The  well

known aerospace magazine mentioned several sightings by engineers

of "triangular-shaped aircraft, " possibly prototypes for the  A-

12,  the  Navy's  new Stealth attack plane, and  one  or  several

versions for reconnaissance aircraft cloaked under the top secret

code  of  Aurora, to replace the old Lockheed  SR-71  "Blackbird"

which was recently mothballed. Aviation Week (sometimes  referred

by the nickname of "Aviation Leak") also quoted Air Force sources

who "acknowledged that diamond and triangular-shaped vehicles are

'the  trend  now,'" as well as unconfirmed reports that  some  of

these aircraft "were designed to operate at speeds around Mach 10

or higher."

  Because  he  worked  for  over 30 years  as  senior  editor  of

Aviation Week, where he is still a contributing editor, we sought

the  opinion  of  well known UFO debunker  Phillip  Klass  as  to

whether there could be any validity to explain the Hudson  Valley

and  Belgian  flaps  with Secret military  aircraft,  Stealth  or

otherwise.  "In  my  opinion  the  answer  is  absolutely   not,"

responded  Klass,  adding  that  only  those  sightings  "in  the

vicinity  of Nellis Air Force Base" in Nevada could be caused  by

military  aircraft  tests. "If there were a  secret  airplane,  "

continued Klass, "for goodness' sake, the last place in the world

you'd want to fly it is in Duchess County, where people have been

alerted to look for objects."

  Although  they  certainly disagree on the final  cause  of  the

sightings,  Klass  and  Phillip  Imbrogno  seem  to  be  in  full

agreement  in their rejection of Tony Gonsalves' Stealth  theory.

"l  can't  see the government testing a top secret device  in  an

area like this, " said Imbrogno. "Number one, what if they have a

problem,  what  if they crash?" Imbrogno said he  had  considered

this  possibility  when  he  first  looked  into  the   boomerang

sightings,  but  that "I am convinced right now that  the  Hudson

Valley UFO is not an aircraft, Stealth or otherwise. Number  two,

I  am  not totally convinced that it's  from  outerspace.  Number

three, I don't know what the hell it is."

   Meanwhile, sightings continue to pile up in Europe. The latest

case  before we go to press was reported in early November,  when

"mystery shapes in the sky, variously described as orange  balls,

triangles and points of light," were reported in France, Belgium,

Germany,  Switzerland and Italy, according to a  newswire  report

from  the Reuter's news agency. Police phone lines  were  flooded

across  the  continent  with  calls  about  unidentified   flying

objects.  Experts in Munich speculated the sightings  could  have

been  triggered  by the explosion of a meteorite.  However,  this

explanation  could  hardly  satisfy  the  familiar  sightings  in

Belgium,  where  "dozens of people reported a  triangular  object

with   three  lights  flying  slowly  and  soundlessly   to   the

southwest," according to the Reuter report.

  The Belgian Air Force was studying once again the case, and  so

was France's Service for the Investigation of Re-entry  Phenomena

(SEPRA), which is attached to the French National Space Agency in

Toulouse  and was formerly known as GEPAN. One Air  France  pilot

told  a  radio  interviewer: "We were on a  flight  to  Barcelona

(Spain) at about 33,000 feet at about 7 pm when we first saw  the

shape. It couldn't have been a satellite because it was there for

three or four minutes."

  If the sightings in Belgium and elsewhere turn out to be secret

aircraft,  the mystery will become pubic sooner or later, but  if

they are indeed caused by true UFOs, then we may be debating them

for  a long time to come. Perhaps a summary of the whole  Belgian

flap  and  its  meaning was best expressed  by  SOBEPS  Scientist

August  Meessen, Professor of Physics at the Catholic  University

at  Louvain. He told the French magazine Paris Match: "There  are

too  many independent eyewitness reports to ignore. Too  many  of

the  reports describe coherent physical effects, and there is  an

agreement among the accounts concerning what was observed. If all

of these witnesses are lying, then it is a mental disease of such

novelty and proportions that it must be studied."


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Subject: Belgium Information (Conclusion)

Date: 18 Apr 91 01:16:00 GMT


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  "But  of  course,"  continued Prof. Meessen,  "there  are  also

physical effects. The Air Force report allows us to approach  the

problem in a rational and scientific way. The simplest hypothesis

is that the reports are caused by extraterrestrial visitors,  but

that  hypothesis carries with it other problems. We are not in  a

rush  to form a conclusion, but continue to study  the  mystery."

The last word about the UFO flap that has brought down "The Wall"

of UFO Silence has yet to be uttered.



     ABOUT THE AUTHOR Chilean-American journalist Antonio Huneeus

was  born in New York in 1950, the son of a Chilean diplomat  and

United  States  official. After studying French at  the  Sarbonne

University  in Paris in 1970 and journalism at the University  of

Chile,  he  worked  as science editor for a  weekly  magazine  in

Santiago  and  was  a contributor for  a  number  of  newspapers.

Huneeus'  UFO investigation began in 1977 with the bizarre  "time

warp"  incident  of Chilean Army Corporal Armando  Valdes.  Since

then,  he  has written hundreds of articles on UFOs  and  related

subjects for such publications as Omni, UFO Report, and the MUFON

JOURNAL  in the U.S., as well as for magazines  throughout  South

America  and Europe. Last year he won the UFOlogists of the  Year

Award  given by the National UFO Conference. The photographs  and

art  that  accompany  this  article are  part  of  Antonio's  UFO

CHRONICLE  lecture and slide presentation. Readers may reach  the

author directly at Box 1989, New York, NY 10159.


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