Info-ParaNet Newsletters April 9th 1991

                 Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 389

 

                            Tuesday, April 9th 1991

 

Today's Topics:

 

                              The Grey Men Tape (4)

                              The Grey Men Tape (5)

                              The Grey Men Tape (6)

                                   Disclaimer

                                Re: A SETI Update

                      ''The Search For Schroedinger's Cat''

                                 Serios Business

                                 Belgian Reports

                          physics, orders of magnitude

                           Re: Gravitational magnetism

                                     Re: Koa

                                    Ivan Sanderson

                                 SERIOS BUSINESS

                     Question from a UFOlogy Sig User - Help

                                     Re: Koa


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From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)

Subject: The Grey Men Tape (4)

Date: 8 Apr 91 22:15:26 GMT


From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)


                        WATCH THE HANDS


We are going to now consider currency on a world basis.  We will also point

out why some of the monetary plans and money making formats are valid and

viable.


Let us speak a bit about Mr. Marcos who was recently deposed from the

Phillipines.  This is most typical, friends, so watch the hands closely.

A representative of the international bankers' bank went to those ones and

said, 'Mr. Marcos, we will forgive all of your loans.  You cannot pay them

back, you cannot pay back the interest, you can't pay back the principle,

but, we would like to make you a bargain.  We will just forgive the loans.'


Digress time: remember, who did that money belong to that they loaned out

to these third world places?  It was not the bankers'.  Well, of course,

it was all that Arab money, because of the higher prices that the people all

over the world had paid.  So, back to what the bankers say, 'We'll just

forgive your loans, the principle and the interest and you never have

to pay it back--IF (ALWAYS THE IF)--.  The 'if' goes about as follows:

You have to do away with your national currency, whatever it is.  The dollar

will be your currency basis of value.  You will be set up with a type of

debit card system instead of the usual currency system.  Then, too, you

must give us perpetual rights to all of the natural resources in your

country.


Interestingly enough, it was right after that little gift gesture; that

friendly little suggestion, that Mr. Marcos was deposed.  Why do you

suppose that happened?  Well, Mr. Marcos was pretty feisty and he told the

international bankers where they could go right after they got immediately

out of his country.  He had no intention of giving them sovereignty

over his country and look what happened.


Everyone in that country found that suddenly their social security number

was synonymous with their credit number; further, their central bank

was to act as a wholesaler for credit, which in turn, was extended to it by

the new super bank which was announced by your Mr. Paul Volker in the fall

of 1985.  That was ratified immediately by President Reagan.  Just a fun

aside for you who love to play with numbers and speculate about

coincidence--the names and numbers, the digits, added up to six.  Lots of

things around Mr. Reagan add up to sixes--even his retirement home address.

I take very little stock in these things, but many of you seem to like the

game.  Also, because a President is not reelected does not mean he is

vanquished from the fray.


A further contingent condition of the benevolent gift, if you will, of the

International Monetary Fund, was that in order to help the economy of

those countries the IMF was going to nominate external, nondomestic

corporations to properly engineer, exploit and excavate the minerals of

those said countries who had just put those same mineral resources up as

collateral.  This would all, thereby, supposedly bring prosperity to those

striving nations.


Mr. Marcos was a bit sharper up front, however, and he pinpointed on the

word PERPETUAL in the contract.  He realized that quite obviously he would be

signing away the sovereignty of his nation.


I make no comment or judgement regarding Mr. Marcos as a person, nor do

I make comment about any individual--those ones are of human format, not

mine.  I am just telling you the way it is and how some things happened.


In the case of the Marcoses, it was only a matter of weeks before the

bankers brought down the guillotine blade.  Riots were financed by, and

originated through, ones of the international bankers' groups.  It is never

humanly wise to cross these ones; you see Mr. and Mrs. Marcos were

exploiting the people well enough on their own and did not wish to share.


                           WHERE DID THE MONEY GO?


Ah, let us not forget those holding companies of which I spoke.  Remember

holding companies one and holding companies two?  The second

group was receiving credit from the first group of holding companies to

purchase assets and liabilities from the 'prime' banks.  The only liabilities

they would purchase were liabilities represented by Certificates of Deposits

of the Arab nations.  The assets they were buying were loans made to the

debtor nations.  Remember, it was designed that third world countries would

default on the loans which would bankrupt the holding companies which

had purchased the Arab's CD's from the banks.


At such a point, the internation bankers say to the Arabs, 'OK fellows,

sorry, but all those billions of dollars in 30 year term deposits that

you have been depositing all these years are gone.  They were sold to a holding

company, unattached to us, which loaned the money to third world countries

which are bankrupt--broke--gone kaput.  Sorry, Mr. Arab, but as of today

you are bankrupt.  Just like that--all gone!'


You might ask, 'Is it possible for the Arab world to go bankrupt?  Really

now, the richest people in the world with all that oil?'  It is a little

bit shocking isn't it?  Poor souls, they didn't even know those CD's had

been 'sold' to those holding companies.  They had deposited the money right

into the New York bank as required.  How could they possibly know they were

transferred out and into bankruptcy destined companies?  How could they

understand the inner manipulations of international financiers?  They were

nomads, they didn't know anything about business.  One cannot even consider

them foolish.  How much of this intrigue do you know, much less understand?

The Arabs could not know what they were up against.  But now let us look at

what has happened.  Before the end of 1986 the Arab world became a bit aware

of what was happening to them.  The word went out that before May 1st, 1987

millions and millions had to be transferred out of the Arab world into

America, to start preparing for doomsday.  Money was to be shifted into any

kind of securities that were even half way decent.  Why do you think this

was so?  It was so that when the Arab sheiks came to the point of

bankruptcy they could be sure the people under them, those millions of

people of the Arab countries who have literally been 'kept' by give-away

programs, could not get at them.  They would have a place to run to and,

hopefully, hide.  Well, when this all comes down that these Arab countries

have literally been sold out, innocently or knowingly, there will be uprisings,

turmoil and literally, massacres abounding.  It is going to happen, friends,

right in the Arab nations.


This is why they have purchased, and set in place, silkworm type missiles

from China.  Long range, nuclear capable, and they have the nuclear devices

to arm them.  Could it be they will be needed against their own peoples?

The people are going to be quite irritated when the are no longer receiving

anything from the oil revenues, that their own country is bankrupt and that

further, they were sold out by their own leaders.  At that point there will

be mass migration of sheiks headed for America where they have already

transferred the most of their assets.


The Arabs were trying to make the big purchases by May of 1988; it is

now a year and a half later.  Do you not think things might be starting

to come down pretty soon?  Could it be relatively correlated in timing to

Savings and Loan problems and private pension plan troubles and failing

economy and - and -?


I continue to see problems as I look on my scanners.  The probability of you

making it into your 1990 before a major depression is not reflected there.

I see no way for you to make it past your fall season.


You only need a couple more countries to default and your monetary system

will collapse.  You sit on the target for several methods of pulling you

down into collapse.  Well, back to the original story.


We are talking of holding companies in trouble.  The international bankers

have removed responsibility from themselves.  They passed the notes, etc.

on to the holding companies who in turn made the bad loans.  All that money

belonging to the Arabs has been passed into the holding companies.  All

the international bankers have to do is say to the Arabs, 'You are broke.

As of today--all gone!'  When the Arabs demand payment of the 30 year term

notes, the holding companies are insolvent--simple as that, no funds--broke.


Do you see now, that this group 'made' people some years back and now

they can 'break' them with equal speed and efficiency without being

accountable?


I fear, friends, it is not very different from what is being done

unto you dear ones. BUT, that is another story.


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From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)

Subject: The Grey Men Tape (5)

Date: 8 Apr 91 22:33:18 GMT


From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)



Here things began to happen rapidly and with sleight of hand.  There have

followed myriads of liquidations, foreclosures and bankruptcies which were

effected by the FDIC and FSLIC which are under the total control of the

Federal Reserve Board.  Literally dozens of banks all over America quickly

were, and are, being bought up.  But the big question is by whom?  Who has

the money in sufficient amounts to make such purchases?  The great sums come

from the higher oil price money that goes to the Arabs, the

deposited into the international bankers' banks.  The banks being purchased

are then intentionally closed.  Some of those banks are still solvent.

They are also buying up farm land throughout America through the farmers who are

now being put into bankruptcy because of the high American dollar (in relation-

ship to foreign currency).  At least this is the way it was up to a year or so

ago--it is fluctuating somewhat at the present time for other heinous things

are under way which are the next step in the plan.  I shall not go into those

things in this document for I intend to do a document relative to your

economies.  First, let us consider what is happening now and has been, for your

past few years--a lot of things are being done now through the Oriental

communities.  Ah so?


                           WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?


What happens next after this point in insolvency and negotiations, is that

the assets would have to be liquidated.  The Arabs now have to liquidate.

They bought farmland, for instance, all over America.  Likewise they

bought stocks in a lot of corporations as well as a lot of bonds and some

other kinds of real estate.  In fact, they have controlled a large portion

of the New York Stock Exchange.  Keep in mind the Japanese control a large

portion, also.


Let us look at the morning following the notice of bankruptcy.  The Arabs

will dump their stocks onto the New York Stock Exchange and what is going to 

happen when billions of dollars worth of their stock comes on the market?

I am talking billions and billions of dollars and, suddenly, there it

all is to be sold!


What happens to farmland that is already depressed?  In 1987 prime farmland

that had been worth $3,000 an acre was less than $700 per acre because

of deflation and the inability to repay farm loans.  Now you have added

drought and all sorts of other bad dreams.  By the way, this deflation was

brought about by your Federal Reserve System.  Well, the Arabs don't want

that farmland, they have all the problems they can handle.  What happens

to the price of farmland?  It is going right to the floor isn't it?

Brothers, when that happens with the value what does it mean?  It means

it has no collateral value any longer.  With no collateral value, how can

a farmer borrow money next year for his crops?  In turn, what happens

to the crops?  Who is going to feed the people?  What is going to happen

in the grocery markets?  The results, of course, equates to hunger and

scarce supply.  Sad, brothers, but it is a well laid plan working to

perfection.


It all boils down to CONTROL and how do you ever recover.  Further, let us

look at you stock situation.  What is going to happen when these

multitudes of stocks are dumped on the stock market?  Chaos.  What

will be the result of catastrophic chaos?  IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED

TO THROW THE AMERICAN STOCK EXCHANGES, PRIVATE CORPORATIONS, PRIVATE

BUSINESS, AMERICAN REAL ESTATE AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL,

INTO A STATE OF TOTAL CONFUSION.  TO THE RESCUE! Let me finish the

plan for you.  At the time of total confusion and inability to function,

those benevolent bankers are going to come through with a 'save the world

proposal'.  They are going to be prepared to eliminate

cash because of its collapse.  Secondarily, they must then stop drug

trafficking.  Then, they must also push to stop tax cheating.  Now, what

self respecting American citizen can possibly be against such noble efforts?

They (the bankers) have set up and orchestrated all of these programs and now

will pretend to stop them.


What will the average American do when your television says, 'Look at

what those dirty Arabs have done to you?'  What would you do?  You are

going to believe what they tell you, aren't you?  You are going to be right

up there in front saying 'Sure they did it to us.  Those Arabs want to

control the world.'  Pretty soon it will be, 'Those Japanese want to control

the whole world,' and then, 'The Chinese want to control the whole world."

You will join the chant that says, 'Look they bought up all this major part

of America.  Look at all the money we have given them, and see what they have

done.  They have collapsed our stock market, et cetera and so on'.


Ah ha, but here come your benevolent bankers and they are going to say to you,

'You have got to have a new currency and then the next thing we will do

is use that new currency to stop this dope trafficking.  You know, that which

is coming in from Central America and those other countries.  Then, of

course, we are also going to have to have a debit card to stop people from

tax cheating because, after all, Mr. Public, if we don't do this we will

never get ourselves back on our feet.  So, brothers, if you'll just turn

everything over to us benevolent bankers we will take care of everything

and straighten out the whole mess.'  You know what, brethren?  You will

hop on that bandwagon and agree to your imprisonment like babes to candy.

You will not only agree to it; you will demand it.  For you will forget to

hear the big IF.  'YOU WILL GET ALL THIS DONE FOR YOU IF YOU WILL JUST TAKE

A DEBIT CARD FOR YOU INDIVIDUALLY WITH OUR LITTLE OLD NUMBER ON IT!'

YOU WILL HAVE JUST FALLEN FOR THE OLD IDENTIFICATION CARD SCHEME.


HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN TO YOU?  BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TOLD THE TRUTH,

FRIENDS, AND WILL YOU BELIEVE IT NOW AS I GIVE IT TO YOU?  NO, MOST OF YOU

WILL DISCOUNT ME AS A FIGMENT OF SOME NUT'S (GBL's?) WILD IMAGINATION.

SO BE IT FOR I AM GREATLY SADDENED FOR YOU AS A SPECIES.


                            THE NEW CURRENCY


This has been a scenario about the Middle East.  Where do you think you are

today and what do you think you will be when you have this new currency?

It will only devaluate the old 'dollar' to zero.  It is planned already and

named already; the Phoenix.  A little prior to this, there is a plan to bring

forth an international credit card ID.  Let us refer to it as a

government ID card with your social security number on it which would

be, and get this because the next is important, satellite linked through

the Star Wars system.  Does any of this sound familiar to you?  This

program of Star Wars is at least 60% geared towards this very purpose

and only 40% for the claimed defense systems, etc.


This major space linkup will facilitate the transmission of banking

information throughout the world instantly.  This would be a debit card

with a number which would be required for you to do business, and friends,

if you know anything at all about your Biblical prophecies, God has

already told you it will be, it will take place.  Further, it will be

done in such a clever way that you 'Christians' who say you will NEVER

sign up nor participate will never see it hit you and you will have

joined the program without even realizing it.  How else are you going to

survive?  Let us not be foolish in our claims for you are dealing with the

most clever planners who have out thought you completely up to this date.


Now, I hope you will believe me when I tell you that the 'Star Wars'

program of satellite systems is in place.  Satellites are up there,

friends.  We of other planets are allowed to stop nuclear warheads--we are not

permitted to touch satellites which are not geared to some type of

nuclear detonation.


Well, all those wonder filled bits of technology called eyes in the sky

and spy satellites 'for you security' are really for

the purpose of transfer of the very banking and income information which

I have just been describing.  It can set up immediate transfer of funds from

all over the entire world, from the debit card, that the internationalists

will see to it are established with every living person.  You will be on the

system whether you know it or not.  In fact, you who are old enough to read

these words--and every child--is already entered therein.


All information will be entered into a central computer and from that place

the world will come under instant financial control.  So, dear Americans,

you have just paid you hard earned money to finance that program to

initiate the bankers' international credit card system and number system

that will be implemented whether or not you choose of it.  IT IS DONE,

BROTHERS, IT IS PLACE--DONE!  DON'T TELL ME YOU WILL NOT PARTICIPATE-

-YOU  ARE ALREADY A PARTICIPANT, DEAR LITTLE ONES.


Oh yes, what of your defense system?  Doesn't look too good does it?

Well, we are not going to let those nuclear warheads out here in out

space past one hundred fifty miles anyway.  That is our prerogative

and we stop them or dismantle them.


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From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)

Subject: The Grey Men Tape (6)

Date: 8 Apr 91 22:34:27 GMT


From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)



                              HEAR ME


Do you not see, brothers, that this is the way the prophecies are coming

into your focus?  It is happening all about you but you don't seem to

know what it is you look for.


Please, all I want you to do at present is HEAR ME.  There is naught you

can do about it to any great extent as it stands.


You who will hear me and mine own groups, hear me.  You must utilize all

of the remaining time to its maximum efficiency for we will have to continue

to work under the new systems.  Our projects will never be less than

excellent investments and they must, and will, be funded.  It needs to be done

rapidly, however, before we are caught up in the total collapse of the monetary

system.  We can work through depression if we have fundings--monetary

collapse shuts us down for all practical purposes, until the system can be

put on track and functioning.


It can work and will work, for in these confused, rushed and harassed days

there is great madness to shift money and make money on money and etc.

Countries such as China, Japan--all non hard currency countries are desperate

to convert to dollars.


I will further tell you that your governments know we are here.  They also

know we are not here to interfere.  We are here to walk our people through

a transition and we plan nothing subversive. We do plan good business

ventures and welcome all who wish to participate.  We have no communes,

all word for fair reward.  We plan good business with total integrity

and latest technology.  We are here to help, not overthrow.  We are here

only to walk our brothers through, for it will all come down just as the

prophecies are given.  There will be some very bad times ahead most

surely if plans are not made for those days of tribulation.


Let me speak a bit more regarding 'timing'.  I know that what I

have said is truth.


It was confirmed by top sources in Switerland that by October of last year

there were twelve debtor nations who had agreed to the proposal of debt

forgiveness in exchange for perpetual consignment of natural resources.

There only need to be one or two more that give enough leverage to announce

the Arabs bankrupt.  As of now, all the top leaders in the Arab world know

the story and they are scared to death about it.  They don't know what they

are going to do about it; there is actually nothing they can do about it.

They certainly do not know how to announce it to their populace.  There

doesn't seem to be any way to get the information out to the people.


Further, no one knows how to announce all this to the American people.

It has been attempted by some and fallen on deaf ears.  I hope that by

the time many of you have read this document, there will be recognition

of our presence in your space.  What I tell you is truth.


                         IN SUMMARY


I would like now, to sum up this scenario.


Because the 20 to 1  debt to asset banking ratio also operates in reverse

(that's how it is with leverage), it only takes about five percent

of the the third world nations to declare bankruptcy and when they do,

and they accept the plan of the international bankers, then the bankers can

declare the bank holding companies bankrupt.  Because of the reverse

leverage of the loans, only 5% of the third world countries could

basically declare the world bankrupt and the ownership of all falls to the

international bankers.


When this program is initiated and in place, it will wind up with the 

international bankers owning all mortgages and all properties.  What

is that going to do to your country?  What about the world?  What control

will they have when they initiate the debit card?  It will be an automatic

number which will be given and would be required because the country

is devastated.


It would then result that the international bankers, who are made up of

all these secret and complex committees I have previously discussed,

would now own the majority of the United States and most other countries

(for all will fall in short order), would control the Arab world and

therefore, by about a thirty year plan of manipulation, will have

brought the peoples of the world under control.


Two years ago, your Senator George Hansen said you had only about a year

to get this under control, to get the information out and do something

about it.  Well, your year has passed into two and a half.  How much have

you heard about it?  I doubt very much.  Brothers, this is how men make

slaves of their fellow men.


It has, however, been prophesied since the beginning of your world that these

things would come to pass.  This statement is not to give you negative

feelings.  This is to tell you that you are IN the time of evolution of

your planet where these things are now coming to be.


I go through all this that you might recognize the signs which are all

around you.  The time, in your perception of time, is fleeting.  The 'time'

we call sequence of events--is fleeting.  We have much to do and we

are here ad available to assist you one of God and the children of

you planet called Earth Terra.  You are a sister planet to we of the

Pleiades.  Many of our ones walk among you.  There are many duties and jobs

that must now be finished.


The story, the work, will go out for that is God's promise to man.  His

promise is to allow man to hear and to see, followed by proof.  He will

send these things through us of the space brotherhood.


These things shall be documented and sent forth to man so that man can see

what he wishes to do--what choices he wishes to make regarding his divinity.

I am going to leave this portion now, that you ones can ponder these things.


We come in love and we can see farther than you.  We have access to all

records, so we can see and know.  We can give assistance if we are so

petitioned.  And you might ask, 'Why would you ones do that?'  Because

Father God the Totality, the Light which is your Source and My Source

loved you enough to send forth His Celestial Son, before us.  We now serve

that same 'Son' who is our Commander and act in His service.


Further, for you who are our brothers, we will not leave you stranded on

that place.  Ye who do not yet know me, will come to understanding our

presence.  I leave mine seal and my blessings on this portion, which I fear

is quite lengthy.  Please ponder is several times until you have

understanding for it is most important.


Go Dharma, it has been such a terribly long session for you.  Turn the

papers over to the others that you may get some rest.


Salu, Salu, Salu        Hatonn moving to stand-by.


     <The End - Grey Men Tape>






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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm)

Subject: Disclaimer

Date: 9 Apr 91 06:48:00 GMT


The preceeding postings concerning the Phoenix Journals do not necessarily 

reflect the opinion of the ParaNet Information Service.  It is provided as a 

public service in the interest of fairness and research.  Thank you to Mr. 

Lush for providing them. 


ParaNet Information Service


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From: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)

Subject: Re: A SETI Update

Date: 6 Apr 91 00:19:00 GMT


va>+Silvio Conte (R-MA): 'We don't need to spend $6 million

va>this year

va>+to  find  evidence of these rascally creatures. We only

va>need  75

va>+cents  to  buy  a tabloid at the  local  supermarket.

va>Conclusive

va>+evidence  of  these  crafty critters can  be  found  at

va>checkout

va>+counters  from coast to coast. [Mr. Conte then entered

va>into  the

va>+Congressional   Record  five  articles  on  UFOs   from

va>tabloid

va>+publications.]



How amusing for him!  Of course, Conte became greatly exercised the 

following week, when the media called his attempted murder of the NASA SETI 

appropriation "The Search For Congressional Intelligence".


Still you can't blame Silvio -- $6 million spent unraveling the secrets of 

the universe is $6 million that won't be here to pay for Congressional 

junkets...


va>I had heard Conte was unfriendly to the concept, but I

va>didn't know it was

va>this bad.  But didn't he die a couple months ago?


... only from the neck up.


Why are politicians always such self-serving poltroons?


Best,

  Clark  

 

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From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)

Subject: ''The Search For Schroedinger's Cat''

Date: 6 Apr 91 05:11:00 GMT



 > +If you want to read about other dimensions, try The Search

 > for

 > +Schroedinger's Cat.

 >

 > And after you've done that, read the file REALITY.ASC from

 > KeelyNet, on

 > Bohm's holographic model of the universe and Pribram's

 > holographic model of

 > the mind.  Excellent work!  (Maybe Clark or I should post it,

 > although it's

 > not UFO-related.  Comments?)

 >



Jim, you're a mind-reader!  I am planning to follow up on the 

posting of the Gravity Coil with a posting of REALITY!


There was only limited response to the gravity coil post, but it was 

scholarly & interesting.  Bohm's paper should be at least as 

provocative, eh?


Best,

  Clark


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From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)

Subject: Serios Business

Date: 6 Apr 91 05:33:00 GMT



 >

 > evidence for fraud, and many hundreds of photographs as

 > evidence

 > of Serios' 'talents.' One of the key evidential factors was

 > the

 > *distortions* of space and time in many of the photos --

 > 'dream-like' or "imagination-like" distortions and seamless

 > composite images that positively could not have been faked by

 > any

 > mechanical means under the circusmtances. Also, many photos

 > were

 > made with the cameras at quite some distance from Serios, and

 > in the

 > hands of the investigators. Some of the pictures appeared as

 > if

 > taken from 'impossible' angles; from places where the cameras

 > had

 > never been positioned. There's more, too. *Much* more.

 > Including a

 > lot of pictures not previously published.

 >


Hi!  This message exchange is very interesting!  I wonder, is anyone 

familiar with the collection of "ghost" or "spirit" photos in the 

possession of the Warrens of Monroe Connecticut?  Yes, I'm talking 

about the same Warrens who were involved in the Amityville Horror 

fiasco, among other high-profile "hauntings", exorcisms, etc.


Some of their photos are really remarkable -- often they're "bad" 

drugstore-type pix taken by people who later realize how very 

strange the photos are. Many of the same characteristics of the 

Serios photos, including impossible angles, bizarre juxtaposed 

images, faces, etc.


I should add that the pictures range in age from 90 years or more to 

quite recent.  Whatever you thing about the Warrens' other interests 

("demonology", possessions, etc.), the photos are definitely worth a 

look.  They take a good sampling of them on their lecture tours.


Best,

  Clark


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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)

Subject: Belgian Reports

Date: 7 Apr 91 21:48:00 GMT



 MC>   Any further information you might

 MC> find on this publication may shed some light on this.


  The entire Tretyak interview was in UFONS, clipped from Literary Gazette, 

a Russian publication of some sort. If you're in contact with Antonio 

Huneeus he may have more info.


                                                jbh  

 

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From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)

Subject: physics, orders of magnitude

Date: 7 Apr 91 21:25:00 GMT



 To: violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers (John H. Chalmers Jr.)

 >

 > RE Kurt Lochner's comments of 3/25/91: it may have not

 > been clear in my original upload, but the gravitational

 > magnetic field is theorized to be produced by

 > accelerated masses and is only an analog of the EM

 > magnetic field.


Ok, I've seen some other articles about this but still

have yet to drag out a physics text to qualify my remarks

beyond my opinions about this topic....


 > Forward's General Relativistic anti-gravity reactor is

 > meant as an example of why I consider

 > space-warps and anti-gravity devices to be improbable

 > with human scale technology. Neither he nor I consider

 > them very possible.


I do consider some of this possible, but not to very 

dramatic proportions, if any. 


 > The toroid must be wound with a hollow tube as it is a

 > stellar mass of nuclear density , not electrons, that

 > has to flow through it.


Why bother with a tube to contain the stellar mass?


 > I appreciate your point about the Planck

 > mass, but I believe I am right that the gravitational

 > coupling constant is 38 or 40 ord mag's less than that

 > of the EM (or Strong Nuclear force) and the

 > permeability of space is very low to the g field,

 > so very large moving masses are necessary.


That scale of magnitude doesn't apply here and is,

I believe, due to a typo in a Popular Science article.

I'll make it a point to examine some physics texts.


 > One more point: Kurt's reply implies that I might

 > think '_gravity is a resultant of space and time._'

 > I didn't respond to this statement when originally

 > made by another member on the net because I

 > don't understand what it means.


Don't worry about it, even Einstein had problem with

that particular concept, heheh.....


 > I follow the orthodox view that gravity is due to the

 > curvature of space-time and that it should be

 > formalizable as a relativistic QM theory involving the

 > exchange of spin-2 gravitons.


I don't.


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From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)

Subject: Re: Gravitational magnetism

Date: 7 Apr 91 21:47:00 GMT



 >

 >      I got the impression that the mass goes through

 > the toroid, not the coils.

 >

He's written back that the stellar mass goes through the

coils and that the mass/movement is the cause of this

gravitational magnetism.


 >      What are "Planck energy values"?


Values of energies present at the birth of our universe.


 >  Where did you get the numbers 10^19 to 10^28?


A. Zee, Gravity, an Old Man's Toy.

 >

 >      The 10e40 value for comparative field strength of

 > the EM force over the gravitational force comes from a

 > comparison of the field strengths for specific particles.


Yes, but that's a misapplication of the forces involved with

the scale of distances being used to carry this discussion.


 >  >>         Physicists at Stanford and elsewhere are

 >  >> planning experiments on a satellite in the next decade

 >  >> to test for the existence of the protational field.

 >

 >  KL> I'll have to look this term up, never heard it before.

 >

 >      It's new to me too. Let me know what you find.

 >

I'll be looking into this soon, will report back....


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From: Frank.Ward@p0.f95.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Frank Ward)

Subject: Re: Koa

Date: 9 Apr 91 04:53:28 GMT


Michael, is there any chance of getting a transript of the KOA show??  Might

be interesting....

Frank


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From: mtus5.bitnet!REVJIM

Subject:      Ivan Sanderson

Date: 9 Apr 91 17:11:12 GMT


From: REVJIM@mtus5.bitnet


Among being a UFO buff, I am also a sort of Bigfoot, etc. fanatic,

and the name 'Ivan Sanderson' rings a bell from that arena.  Going

by memory, I think he was an investigator in the late 60's in the

Washington area, possibly associated with such Bigfoot related

personell as Rene Dahinden (sp?) and Roger Patterson.

Does this make sense?

James





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From: well.sf.ca.us!ddrasin

Subject: SERIOS BUSINESS

Date: 9 Apr 91 17:12:00 GMT


From: ddrasin@well.sf.ca.us (Dan Drasin)


+ From: Pete.Porro . Subject: Re: SERIOS BUSINESS


+ Arthur C. Clark pretty well says this was a con job, using the tube

+ for holding small parts of photos.


To get the results Serios has gotten by means of 'small parts of

photos' in a tube would be at least as extraordinary a feat as getting

the results psychically.


It is one thing to say that such-and-such a phenomenon *might* be

explain*able* in such-and-such a way (that is, if you ignore certain

critical facts), and quite another to say it has *been explained*. If

Clarke really did dismiss this case on the basis of such naive

speculation he has behaved disgracefully.



Dan Drasin

ddrasin@well.sf.ca.us





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From: cwns1.ins.cwru.edu!aa440

Subject: Question from a UFOlogy Sig User - Help

Date: 9 Apr 91 17:13:47 GMT


From: aa440@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dale Wedge)



Got a few questions here from a user on the Cleveland Free-Net that

I thought I would pass on to you.  I have not followed alot of the

subjects that this person asked me, so I thought that I would ask

the masses on ParaNet.


Anyways, these questions were posted to me on Sat Apr 6, 1991.  I have

edited some of them because of spelling errors.


1. In Area S-4 (The Dark Side of the Moon) the Apollo Astronauts photo-

   graphed a lunar base manned by earthmen as well as Alien beings, can

   this be confirmed by anyone in authority other than the government?


   My answer was that I thought that S-4 was the alledged base out west

   in the desert where the government and aliens were sharing a facility

   based upon an agreement with the U.S. and the alien culture.  I do not

   believe any of this, but this is what I thought had been reported.


2. What is/was Project Redlight and Project Snowbird?


   I know that you guys know this one.


3. Does the 'National Reconnaissance Organization' still exist, and what

   can they tell us about UFO activities?


   I never heard of it, have you?


4. Can you shed any light on 'D.U.M.B.' (Deep Underground Military Bases)?


   I'm sure that we have them for national security.  But the jest of the

   question had to do with if there was any connection between D.U.M.B. 

   and UFOs?  


5. Has the military/UFO activities in and around Mt. Shasta taken the place

   of 'Big Rock Calif.' as a UFO landing site?


   No comment from me here.  How about you?


6. This is a long one.  How can the assassination of President Kennedy/MJ-

   12/The Council of Foreign Relations/The Joint Alien, U.S., U.S.S.R/The

   Deaths and or disappearance of prominate civilian and military people

   and the manned base on the moon connect?


   Hey, this question has all the makings of a book!!!


Well, those are the questions that I got.  I was looking for someone with

diplomatic means to help answer some of them.  Remember, we are here to 

educate, not put people down.


Best, Dale B. Wedge





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From: Michael.Corbin@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)

Subject: Re: Koa

Date: 9 Apr 91 18:53:00 GMT



 > Michael, is there any chance of getting a transript of the KOA show??

 > Might be interesting....


I will arrange for one, Frank.  Might take a couple of weeks.


Mike


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