Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 44
From bigxc@firefly.prairienet.orgFri Jan 20 07:22:07 1995
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 07:04:55 CST
From: Brian Redman <bigxc@firefly.prairienet.org>
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Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 44
Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 44
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GLOBAL 2000: EARTH FIRST! FOR THE "MASTER RACE"
My transcript of a recent episode of a public access show,
originating in Chicago, called "Broadsides". This episode
featured independent researcher Sherman Skolnick, and author Mark
Sato. Note that in the following I neither necessarily agree nor
disagree with some or all of the views expressed.
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And so they were disqualified. And the ones that said, "Yes"...
MARK SATO:
Well...
SKOLNICK:
..proceeded to the next step in the project?
SATO:
..Well, no. Obviously they have a problem. Especially if...
SKOLNICK:
*Who* has a problem?
SATO:
GIs. If they are sent into a... Let's say they're sent into an
African-American community and they're told, "This community is
out of control. Go in there and impose martial law. And if
anybody moves, shoot 'em."
Now there's quite a large minority of the GIs, in this country,
who are African-American. Now...
SKOLNICK:
They're trying to get 'em out! They're trying to whittle them
down, out of the army!
SATO:
Now, now, now, Sherman. Nevertheless -- Hey. They're not gonna
whittle 'em down in six years, Sherman. There's gonna be plenty
of 'em in the army at the time at which they're going to promote
and provoke problems in African-American communities and send
troops in there for the purpose of gunning down as many people as
they can.
SKOLNICK:
Well, notice this...
SATO:
O.K.? Wait a minute, Sherman!
And so, when they ask black GIs, "Will you shoot Americans?",
they really know that, you know, anybody who's got half a brain
understands what the question really means. It means, "Will I
shoot my brother, in his own community, in his doorway?" That's
what it really means.
SKOLNICK:
But notice: some of us view the Vietnam War in very cynical
terms. In the '60s, from all these civil rights marches [by] Dr.
King and others, there were rising expectations...
SATO:
By the way, Sherman. Before you get into that, I'd just like to
make one very important point about these African-American GIs
*in* a situation in which they would be required (unless they
wanted to be hung) to shoot their brothers -- and that is that,
the situation in Roseland that you mentioned has caused the FBI
to go into the Roseland community, to be, to mingle with the
police...
SKOLNICK:
The gestapo!
SATO:
Yeah, the gestapo.
..to mingle with the police. And this is a first strike, in the
black communities in Chicago, to start provoking the African-
American [unclear] into...
SKOLNICK:
Federal police.
SATO:
Wait a minute. Sherman. Quiet.
..into a situation in which there will be the requirement that
American GIs, and black GIs, be sent into this community for the
distinct purpose of wiping out their brothers!
SKOLNICK:
On the excuse that there's...
SATO:
..there's trouble.
SKOLNICK:
There's dope that the CIA brought in.
SATO:
There's dope, there's guns, which has been brought in by the
British and American...
SKOLNICK:
All right. But notice this genocide problem, that this is an
ongoing thing.
During the Vietnam War, the black population of the United States
was eleven-and-a-half percent. But they constituted twenty-six
percent of those that were in the jungles in Vietnam. Blacks.
People of color.
Now what was the problem at that time, and from a cynical
standpoint? Dr. King and others, because of the marching, was
getting the blacks with rising expectation: equal employment,
"they're gonna have a house", "they're gonna have a job", and so
on. And how did LBJ [President Johnson] deal with this? With the
body bags. He sent 'em over there to be slaughtered! That's how
he dealt with their rising expectations.
*And*, here's the "national security" question, the so-called.
When Dr. King, in April of '67 made a speech, what'd he say? He
says, "*I* am going to go to Vietnam to tell black GIs not to
slaughter yellow-skinned people in somebody else's civil war." So
he was implying the genocide angle right there. And of course, a
year to the day, they slaughtered him.
SATO:
Sherman...
SKOLNICK:
On "national security" reasons!
SATO:
Sherman, you make, you made an even *more* important point at the
outset: that is...
SKOLNICK:
..yellow people...
SATO:
No, no, no.
..that King was trying to hold out hope for economic development
of the African-American communities. *That* is *verboten*. You
cannot do that.
What'd they say in this National Security Study Memorandum
written by Henry Kissinger? They said, "*Forget* about economic
development." Now what is the biggest problem in the African-
American communities today with regard to economic situations?
Lack of jobs! Now. They're not gonna *get* any jobs! Why? Because
Clinton has passed, has rammed through, GATT and NAFTA. And we
have turned the American economy from an economy with 250 million
consumers, into an economy, into a *world* economy, where there
are 5.6 billion consumers, many of whom are earning 19 cents an
hour. And we're gonna ask the African-Americans who don't have
jobs to compete with 19-cents-an-hour labor? It ain't gonna
happen.
So you see, Sherman... The problem today is that GATT and NAFTA
have completely foreclosed any hope for education, for jobs, in
the African-American community. It is *done*. It's over with.
SKOLNICK:
So they're using, insofar as... Well, Mexico was [unclear]
with...
SATO:
But you see, Sherman, that is *why* they have to be panicked
about what's going to happen in the African-American communities
when people finally figure out that there *is* *not* gonna be any
more education, there's *not* gonna be jobs. It's 19 cents an
hour.
SKOLNICK:
All right, let's see if this fits in with your thesis there:
Mexico is principally Indians. People of color. And therefore,
this whole NAFTA thing, to use them as cheap labor: does that fit
into your genocide theory in some way?
SATO:
Sure. NAFTA now... And the people in the State Department want to
lower the population of Mexico from over 60 million to under 20
million.
SKOLNICK:
How?
SATO:
Hey folks, there's a group out there called "Chiapas", which is
gonna start provoking civil war like crazy in Mexico. And they're
going to cause a *tremendous*, devastating war in Mexico which
wipes out over 40 million people.
SKOLNICK:
O.K. So wait a minute. So this uh, your thesis is that this
putting an FBI task force -- according to the September 8th, '94
issue of the *[Chicago] Tribune*, which is right on the front
page: "FBI Task Force Joins City Police to Fight Gangs". That's
their excuse! But *actually*, they're putting the gestapo into
the inner city...
SATO:
..for the purpose of making sure that there is a point at which
the African-American community explodes, and they have to send in
their troops and kill everybody...
SKOLNICK:
Before we run out of time: you also feel that these attacks on
black celebrities are not accidental.
SATO:
No. They're not accidental at all. They have money, they have
influence. The FBI wants to get rid of 'em.
SKOLNICK:
Why?
SATO:
O.J. Simpson. Michael Jordan's father. Michael Jackson.
SKOLNICK:
Why?
SATO:
Because they're [unclear], according to the FBI; they're not
"worthy" of having any position of influence or wealth.
SKOLNICK:
O.K. And since they are now quite wealthy, if they ever became
political -- I'm not saying that O.J. Simpson was or is
political, or Michael Jackson was or is political -- but *were*
they, in a time of the American gestapo running out of control,
they might say something and have to be heard worldwide... among
white people, among people of color. You couldn't shut them up.
If they held a press conference, it'd be covered.
So they're discredited. They're "murderers", they're "child
molesters".
SATO:
Or they're just murdered, period.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah. In other words, because they're well-known they don't want
them as spokesmen for the Afro-American community. Is that the
point?
SATO:
They don't want them as spokesmen for *anybody*.
SKOLNICK:
So, well what you're saying is, whether Mel Reynolds, the
congressman, is or is not a sleazebag as accused, it's
interesting that of *all* the crooked congressmen that they could
think about, they centered on him. That's not accidental, right?
They could find some other congressmen that are equally as
crooked as him.
SATO:
Sure.
SKOLNICK:
Assuming that he's crooked.
SATO:
Well yeah. But that comes down to, "Take a whole handful of darts
and just throw it at the [unclear], and anybody you hit..."
SKOLNICK:
All right, before we run out of time, what suggestion do you
have? You've laid out a very somber thing there. How do we get
into the next century?
SATO:
In my view, there aren't a whole lot of solutions, simply
because...
SKOLNICK:
Well, before we run out of time, give us some.
SATO:
There are certain African-Americans who wish there to be
reparations to the African-Americans because of slavery. That is
not practical for a lot of reasons. It's...
SKOLNICK:
Oh I'm for it if the ultra-rich pay for it!
SATO:
Sherman, that's impractical.
SKOLNICK:
..shouldn't tax the rest of us. The ultra-rich: let them pay!
SATO:
They're not gonna do that unless you "string 'em up".
SKOLNICK:
"String" who up?
SATO:
The super-rich.
SKOLNICK:
The Rockefellers.
SATO:
Yeah. That's not gonna happen.
So the only thing *I* would suggest is a strike. A mortgage
strike.
SKOLNICK:
Well, we're running out of time.
SATO:
..A rent strike.
SKOLNICK:
We're running out of time. And we thank everybody for listening.
We've worried a lot of 'em. People secretly think that maybe we
represent the Tylenol and aspirin industry with these programs
[laughs]. We *do* worry people! But we hopefully cause you to
think.
Thanks for listening, and watch us again on "Broadsides". Good
evening.
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 95 07:04:55 CST
From: Brian Redman <bigxc@firefly.prairienet.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <conspire@prairienet.org>
Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 44
Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 44
======================================
("Quid coniuratio est?")
-----------------------------------------------------------------
GLOBAL 2000: EARTH FIRST! FOR THE "MASTER RACE"
My transcript of a recent episode of a public access show,
originating in Chicago, called "Broadsides". This episode
featured independent researcher Sherman Skolnick, and author Mark
Sato. Note that in the following I neither necessarily agree nor
disagree with some or all of the views expressed.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And so they were disqualified. And the ones that said, "Yes"...
MARK SATO:
Well...
SKOLNICK:
..proceeded to the next step in the project?
SATO:
..Well, no. Obviously they have a problem. Especially if...
SKOLNICK:
*Who* has a problem?
SATO:
GIs. If they are sent into a... Let's say they're sent into an
African-American community and they're told, "This community is
out of control. Go in there and impose martial law. And if
anybody moves, shoot 'em."
Now there's quite a large minority of the GIs, in this country,
who are African-American. Now...
SKOLNICK:
They're trying to get 'em out! They're trying to whittle them
down, out of the army!
SATO:
Now, now, now, Sherman. Nevertheless -- Hey. They're not gonna
whittle 'em down in six years, Sherman. There's gonna be plenty
of 'em in the army at the time at which they're going to promote
and provoke problems in African-American communities and send
troops in there for the purpose of gunning down as many people as
they can.
SKOLNICK:
Well, notice this...
SATO:
O.K.? Wait a minute, Sherman!
And so, when they ask black GIs, "Will you shoot Americans?",
they really know that, you know, anybody who's got half a brain
understands what the question really means. It means, "Will I
shoot my brother, in his own community, in his doorway?" That's
what it really means.
SKOLNICK:
But notice: some of us view the Vietnam War in very cynical
terms. In the '60s, from all these civil rights marches [by] Dr.
King and others, there were rising expectations...
SATO:
By the way, Sherman. Before you get into that, I'd just like to
make one very important point about these African-American GIs
*in* a situation in which they would be required (unless they
wanted to be hung) to shoot their brothers -- and that is that,
the situation in Roseland that you mentioned has caused the FBI
to go into the Roseland community, to be, to mingle with the
police...
SKOLNICK:
The gestapo!
SATO:
Yeah, the gestapo.
..to mingle with the police. And this is a first strike, in the
black communities in Chicago, to start provoking the African-
American [unclear] into...
SKOLNICK:
Federal police.
SATO:
Wait a minute. Sherman. Quiet.
..into a situation in which there will be the requirement that
American GIs, and black GIs, be sent into this community for the
distinct purpose of wiping out their brothers!
SKOLNICK:
On the excuse that there's...
SATO:
..there's trouble.
SKOLNICK:
There's dope that the CIA brought in.
SATO:
There's dope, there's guns, which has been brought in by the
British and American...
SKOLNICK:
All right. But notice this genocide problem, that this is an
ongoing thing.
During the Vietnam War, the black population of the United States
was eleven-and-a-half percent. But they constituted twenty-six
percent of those that were in the jungles in Vietnam. Blacks.
People of color.
Now what was the problem at that time, and from a cynical
standpoint? Dr. King and others, because of the marching, was
getting the blacks with rising expectation: equal employment,
"they're gonna have a house", "they're gonna have a job", and so
on. And how did LBJ [President Johnson] deal with this? With the
body bags. He sent 'em over there to be slaughtered! That's how
he dealt with their rising expectations.
*And*, here's the "national security" question, the so-called.
When Dr. King, in April of '67 made a speech, what'd he say? He
says, "*I* am going to go to Vietnam to tell black GIs not to
slaughter yellow-skinned people in somebody else's civil war." So
he was implying the genocide angle right there. And of course, a
year to the day, they slaughtered him.
SATO:
Sherman...
SKOLNICK:
On "national security" reasons!
SATO:
Sherman, you make, you made an even *more* important point at the
outset: that is...
SKOLNICK:
..yellow people...
SATO:
No, no, no.
..that King was trying to hold out hope for economic development
of the African-American communities. *That* is *verboten*. You
cannot do that.
What'd they say in this National Security Study Memorandum
written by Henry Kissinger? They said, "*Forget* about economic
development." Now what is the biggest problem in the African-
American communities today with regard to economic situations?
Lack of jobs! Now. They're not gonna *get* any jobs! Why? Because
Clinton has passed, has rammed through, GATT and NAFTA. And we
have turned the American economy from an economy with 250 million
consumers, into an economy, into a *world* economy, where there
are 5.6 billion consumers, many of whom are earning 19 cents an
hour. And we're gonna ask the African-Americans who don't have
jobs to compete with 19-cents-an-hour labor? It ain't gonna
happen.
So you see, Sherman... The problem today is that GATT and NAFTA
have completely foreclosed any hope for education, for jobs, in
the African-American community. It is *done*. It's over with.
SKOLNICK:
So they're using, insofar as... Well, Mexico was [unclear]
with...
SATO:
But you see, Sherman, that is *why* they have to be panicked
about what's going to happen in the African-American communities
when people finally figure out that there *is* *not* gonna be any
more education, there's *not* gonna be jobs. It's 19 cents an
hour.
SKOLNICK:
All right, let's see if this fits in with your thesis there:
Mexico is principally Indians. People of color. And therefore,
this whole NAFTA thing, to use them as cheap labor: does that fit
into your genocide theory in some way?
SATO:
Sure. NAFTA now... And the people in the State Department want to
lower the population of Mexico from over 60 million to under 20
million.
SKOLNICK:
How?
SATO:
Hey folks, there's a group out there called "Chiapas", which is
gonna start provoking civil war like crazy in Mexico. And they're
going to cause a *tremendous*, devastating war in Mexico which
wipes out over 40 million people.
SKOLNICK:
O.K. So wait a minute. So this uh, your thesis is that this
putting an FBI task force -- according to the September 8th, '94
issue of the *[Chicago] Tribune*, which is right on the front
page: "FBI Task Force Joins City Police to Fight Gangs". That's
their excuse! But *actually*, they're putting the gestapo into
the inner city...
SATO:
..for the purpose of making sure that there is a point at which
the African-American community explodes, and they have to send in
their troops and kill everybody...
SKOLNICK:
Before we run out of time: you also feel that these attacks on
black celebrities are not accidental.
SATO:
No. They're not accidental at all. They have money, they have
influence. The FBI wants to get rid of 'em.
SKOLNICK:
Why?
SATO:
O.J. Simpson. Michael Jordan's father. Michael Jackson.
SKOLNICK:
Why?
SATO:
Because they're [unclear], according to the FBI; they're not
"worthy" of having any position of influence or wealth.
SKOLNICK:
O.K. And since they are now quite wealthy, if they ever became
political -- I'm not saying that O.J. Simpson was or is
political, or Michael Jackson was or is political -- but *were*
they, in a time of the American gestapo running out of control,
they might say something and have to be heard worldwide... among
white people, among people of color. You couldn't shut them up.
If they held a press conference, it'd be covered.
So they're discredited. They're "murderers", they're "child
molesters".
SATO:
Or they're just murdered, period.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah. In other words, because they're well-known they don't want
them as spokesmen for the Afro-American community. Is that the
point?
SATO:
They don't want them as spokesmen for *anybody*.
SKOLNICK:
So, well what you're saying is, whether Mel Reynolds, the
congressman, is or is not a sleazebag as accused, it's
interesting that of *all* the crooked congressmen that they could
think about, they centered on him. That's not accidental, right?
They could find some other congressmen that are equally as
crooked as him.
SATO:
Sure.
SKOLNICK:
Assuming that he's crooked.
SATO:
Well yeah. But that comes down to, "Take a whole handful of darts
and just throw it at the [unclear], and anybody you hit..."
SKOLNICK:
All right, before we run out of time, what suggestion do you
have? You've laid out a very somber thing there. How do we get
into the next century?
SATO:
In my view, there aren't a whole lot of solutions, simply
because...
SKOLNICK:
Well, before we run out of time, give us some.
SATO:
There are certain African-Americans who wish there to be
reparations to the African-Americans because of slavery. That is
not practical for a lot of reasons. It's...
SKOLNICK:
Oh I'm for it if the ultra-rich pay for it!
SATO:
Sherman, that's impractical.
SKOLNICK:
..shouldn't tax the rest of us. The ultra-rich: let them pay!
SATO:
They're not gonna do that unless you "string 'em up".
SKOLNICK:
"String" who up?
SATO:
The super-rich.
SKOLNICK:
The Rockefellers.
SATO:
Yeah. That's not gonna happen.
So the only thing *I* would suggest is a strike. A mortgage
strike.
SKOLNICK:
Well, we're running out of time.
SATO:
..A rent strike.
SKOLNICK:
We're running out of time. And we thank everybody for listening.
We've worried a lot of 'em. People secretly think that maybe we
represent the Tylenol and aspirin industry with these programs
[laughs]. We *do* worry people! But we hopefully cause you to
think.
Thanks for listening, and watch us again on "Broadsides". Good
evening.
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Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et
pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9
Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"
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