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Subject: Re: Unsolved Mysteries
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Date: 4 Mar 91 21:56:47 GMT
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In article <CSUAT.91Mar4192144@clover.warwick.ac.uk> csuat@cu.warwick.ac.uk (Pete "Gandalf" Favelle) writes:
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>on Mon, 4 Mar 91 10:25:19 GMT, csuaw@warwick.ac.uk (Patrick Clark) said:
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>> How Strange .. here at Warwick, is a very similiar object to the
>> one you describe above.. it is a large cone standing upright and at night
>> it rotates and emits an eery glow. It has been nicknamed 'The Koan' and has
>> become an item of worship for many students.
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> _
> / \ This is the section that rotates,
> /__/\ and the lines are the parts that
> /_____\ emit the glow.
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> / \_\
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>This is, of course, a truly wonderous device to behold.
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>All Hail the Almighty Koan!
>
Gezze, what a bunch of Koanheads...
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From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen)
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Subject: Message from Ixaca
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Verlaine Crawford began channeling Ixaca, in June 1987. Ixaca is an
abbreviation for "I of Oaxaca". Ixaca was Quetzalcoatl, who created the
library at Oaxaca, the astronomy, and the Calendar of the Mayan culture.
Ixaca is "Coordinator of the Council of Twelve" of Interraithe, a
Visionary Planet in the Rombis Quadrant of the Orion Constellation, His
name of origin is Terrell. Interraithe has gone through the acceleration
beam and is now operating efficiently in 5th Dimensional flow. Ixaca
served as consultant to the Atlantean civilization and channeled through
Imhotep of Egypt, architect of the Step Pyramid. S/he incarnated and
ascended as Elijah the Prophet, who prophesied the coming of the Christ.
Ixaca is an androgynous being on the 6th Dimension, who is a "Cosmic
Consultant" to Planet Earth helping in the birthing process of "Global
Consciousness". S/he serves as a conduit of cosmic information to help the
inhabitants of Earth adjust to the accelerated vibrations of the
Dimensional Shift.
GETTING TO KNOW YOU... 1991, THE YEAR OF CLARITY by Ixaca
Of the many examples of life possible upon this planet, you have chosen to
incarnate as a Human Being. Hue=color/emotion (energy in motion),
Man=manifestation, Being=light...You are: Energy Manifesting in Light.
As a Point of Consciousness, you are radiating a light source that
emanates from the central core of 'All That Is " into this Dimensional
Universe. Thus you are response-able for absorbing the increasing
acceleration of cosmic energy now penetrating your sphere. During the year
1991 (Cosmic Year 2), you will experience your new identity, born out of
the ashes of 1990 (Cosmic Year 1).
This new-born identity will be dramatically tested, for the process of
eliminating all concepts of separateness has begun. You now have the
opportunity to integrate and change your lives dramatically. In 1991 you
may emerge from your normal pattern of non-reliance upon inner knowing
into a profound understanding of unlimited consciousness floating upon a
Sea of Possibility. This Year of Clarity will expose all the random
thought forms and mis-under-standings that have left you standing in the
midst of confusion.
Each day of 1991 will be an opening into higher consciousness, indeed, as
if every day were a singularity of purpose, a mission worthy of a
lifetime. As you awaken to a new understanding of who you truly are: RAll
That Is" piercing the veil of dimensions to appear in form, then you will
recognize that you have the obvious responsibility to carry the message of
your Divinity in all that you think, feel, express, and do with this life
form.
This year of clarity will be more than a recognition of the variety of
random thought forms carried in your auric field. It will also become
clear that your social structures: your political, educational, medical,
religious, economic and geophysical structures are dependent upon your
understanding that the microcosm is the macrocosm. Your aura reflects and
sustains the auric field of the Planet Earth.
You are the Holographic Image of the entire Ecosystem. You are the
sustained Image of 'All That Is" now animating and accelerating the energy
of third, fourth and fifth dimensional vibrational activity. Thus you are
the living pattern of God in Form.
EXPRESSING THE LIGHT
Questions for IXACA
You speak of the elimination of the concept of separateness from our
consciousness. Please give us a picture which will help clarify this idea?
Imagine a rubber ball full of light. Now picture puncturing millions of
holes into the ball, round and round. Each of those holes is a human
being, a point of consciousness of all that is, energy manifesting through
light. It is impossible to be separate. You are all connected through the
light.
This idea of connection is wonderful, but every aspect of our society is
based upon the idea of separateness. Won't it be confusing to suddenly
lose our identity?
Yes, it will be confusing and chaotic for the next several years as you
move through the layers of the fourth dimension, the emotional plane, into
the higher realms of the fifth dimension, the mental plane. As the
dimensional frequency increases, your creation of thought into form will
happen much quicker, resulting in the feeling of timelessness.
For so many centuries you have operated under the premise that growth is
best achieved by facing the challenges of life alone, believing that it is
impossible to totally share. Therefore, the elimination of the concept of
separateness will create an atmosphere of confusion until each individual
understands the blending process and adapts to the experience of living
life without duality, without swinging between the extremes of pleasure
and pain. In this new understanding of Oneness, you will be able to
encompass all, accept all, relishing the "holy instant", living each
moment in Ultimate Joy.
Living in Ultimate Joy sounds like a worthwhile endeavor; but it is
difficult to imagine the kind of blending that your describe. Can you
illustrate the idea of Global Consciousness?
Each of you can be likened to a musical instrument. You have been learning
to play your individual songs, testing your tonality, loudness and
softness, expressing your melody. Global Consciousness is the coming
together of all the instruments to create a great symphony. a lovely
variety of instruments playing together. You do not lose your
individuality, but gain the majesty and richness of harmonious synergy.
It has been mentioned that all the Cosmic Councils and Alliances have
joined together to help accelerate the acceleration of the vibrational
frequency of Planet Earth. What does this mean?
As you know, beings of all types and descriptions have arrived in your
Solar System to help in the transformation of Planet Earth. We have
described ourselves as Cosmic Midwives at the birthing of Global
Consciousness. Using that analogy, the baby is being born with the
umbilical cord wrapped around its neck. You are constricted by so many
outdated thought forms, that it is our intention to assist in the removal
of that constriction by accelerating the information flow to those of you
ready to listen and live fully to your potential.
You no longer have the time to live as if the past is relevant to your
future. History has ended. His story is complete. It is the beginning of
Her story: nurturing, caring, and partnership will now replace aggression,
control and the hierarchy model of organization. You are the animating
force of Spirit materializing in Form. Know it!
INVISION Newsletter is an opportunity for IXACA and other Cosmic
Consultants to speak to as many people as possible once a month. It will
also serve as a unification of various networks and individuals to develop
and provide products and services to those in need. Subscriptions to the
INVISION Newsletter will be $10/year to cover printing & mailing.
INVISION Newsletter, 110 S. Greenwood Ave., Pasadena, Ca. 91107
Don Showen
Family of Light Network
Work 408-974-9544
Home 408-865-1768
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From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen)
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Subject: Re: For Real
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> What exactly are third dimensional physicsal and fourth dimensional
> non-physical entities. Please define what you mean by third
dimensional
> anything. How so?
By third dimensional I mean physical entities in physical bodies, with
physical ships. Actual people in space ships, like Samjese who I
mentioned in the posting.
By 4th dimensional, I actually should have said 4th dimensional and
higher. These are entities who are contacting be channeling or telepathy.
As an example Lazaris is an entity who has never been in a physical body,
yet so vast he refers to himself in the plural. They (Lazaris) have
produced dozens of tapes, for one of the most powerful teachings
available. Another example is the Pleiadians being channeled. They are a
group of entities from our future. I have heard about ten to fifteen of
their taped discourses and I plan on getting them all. Numbering more than
100 tapes sets.
I just posted Message from Ixaca, an example of a 6th dimensional entity.
Since I have received some email I will start posting more stuff.
By the way the government discovered ufos in 1945,46. The govt did a
survey of the people and decided the information would be to much for the
scientists and the Christians, and decided not to release it.
Don Showen
Family of Light Network
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: Re: For Real
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In article <1991Feb26.184804.27265@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu> achozi@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Ann M. Chozinski) writes:
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>
>Ok, its got to be real. We just can't keep making fun of the
>possiblity that aliens are already here on Earth. They are
>probably in human forms and helping us prepare for the up and
>coming disasters. I have read that they may even serve as
>guides to us. Has anyone else read this?
>
>I'm open to the idea of communicating with aliens, they
>probably can give us a great deal of help with environmental
>and ecological issues.
>
>Any ideas on the subject??
>
>Annie
There's certainly alot of conversation about this very topic going
on the Paranet and Fido UFO echoes, UFINET, and BAMA to mention
a few specifics..
Tune into your local BBS's and check out the echos..
On another note, I was bored and just discovered this newsgoup
recently so I will post a few files that I've accumulated the
last few months from participating on the above mentioned echoes.
Which is all to say that the UFO field is busy one..
Some interesting events of the last few months have included:
- Robert Lazar and the nine UFO's at Area51 (Groom Lake) Nevada
- English crop circles and circles in Canada
- GulfBreeze and Ed Walters
- Continued sightings and regular jet chases of UFO's in Belgium
Also, since Bill English is back up again with his BBS in New Mexico
and his echo UFINET will be heating up with UFO's "bad boy", John
Lear in the next few weeks, I expect a good deal of activity in this
newsgroup.
As for your question about aliens assuming human form there are
some schools of thought that would call this the "walk-ins"..That
is beings who have assumed a human form, sometimes with the consent
of a displacement of an "earthling" who volunteers his "body" to be
used by others.
Other lines of thought would indicate the Greys are intermingling and
intermixing their genetics with humans in an effort to bolster up
their genes to produce bodies that are "Aryan" or "blonde".
The Greys are thought to be the typical image of the "4 ft BIG almond
slanted/shaped eyes,slit for a mouth,bald and with a greyish
"reptilian" textured skin. This is the type that some abductees
report and which is *prominently* featured on all the covers of
Whitley Streiber's books (Communion,Transformation).
It's thought by many that the Greys are a hive-mind that is really
subserviant to yet another alien race. The Greys are pretty much
the "BAD" and "Evil" villains in the role of the Nephilim, Watchers.
Thought to be from a genetically deteriorated race and is MOST closely
associated with all of the cattle mutilations that Linda Moulton-Howe
documented in her excellent presentation "A Strange Harvest". The
Greys first came into public awareness through John Lear and Bill
Cooper's text's of a few short years back on the UFO and paranormal
type oriented BBS's.
Both Cooper and Lear brought us some rather disturbing views..their
stories were about secret treaties between the EBE's
(Extraterrestrial Biological Entities) and the military following
the Roswell,New Mexico crash of a UFO in the late 1940's. It was
said that there were 2 aliens rescued at the time of the crash, but
1 later died. The other living alien was named EBE-1 or as some have
said (Cooper) "Krll". Of course, the "official" cover story of the
Roswell crash was of a "weather balloon" and as usual, the public
wasn't given the truth. Jess Marcel, who was an an officer in the
military that investigated the crash later told reporters/interviewers
that although he was _ordered_ by his superiors to "keep his mouth
shut and stick with the cover story" at the time, later revealed the
TRUE details of the episode just before his death a few years ago.
To this very day, Roswell continues to be a controversy. But we
do know from prying documents from FOIA requests from numerous
people,from CAUS (Citizens Against UFO Secrecy) and other sources
that the question isn't "Are we being visited by Aliens in UFO's?"
but rather "WHO are they and why are they abducting so many people,
and what do they want?"
Skeptics of course have their place and this makes for interesting
and sometimes hot debates.
On the other side of this coin, are the groups who claim contact
with the "good" aliens that are alleged to come from the Pleiades,
and the GodStar Sirius,also have been known as "the Blondes" and
"angels". A group that often comes to mind is the Ashtar Command,
who are a legion of the "good guys" patrolling our skies and
I must say that they are the antithesis of the "greys", who are
alleged to be a nasty and non-emotional bunch. To the contrary, the
Blondes or "good" aliens are said to be gentle,wise and loving but
look upon as as foolish children playing with matches (we know not
what we do)
I will post some articles from the different viewpoints in the
next few days.
Best regards,
Don
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From: sphaak@vela.acs.oakland.edu (sphaak)
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Subject: Flying Saucers: Extraterrestrial or Nazi?
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I have it from a veteran who served in Germany during the Cold War that in the
last month of the war, several saucer-shaped aircraft were witnessed by Allied
bomber crews over Germany. These aircraft were of German origin and after the
war was over several examples were captured by either US or UK-Canadian forces
and brought to North American test ranges. We experimented with them for
several years and they contributed to some (but certainly not all) UFO reports
from this period. In addition, the Navy (but not the Air Force???) had an
actual prototype jet-powered, two-person flying-saucer fighter which they gave
up on because of inferior performance, sometime during the 1950s.
Has anyone else heard or read anything about Nazi flying saucers? Were they
jet, or rocket powered?
+-+- The Tygers of Wrath are WISER than the Horses of Destruction -+-+
Ross Starkey
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Downtown DE-Troit!
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From: wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie Lopez)
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Subject: Re: moral vs. techological advancement
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/ hpfcso:alt.alien.visitors / jwh5601@venus.tamu.edu (HARVEY, JASON W) / 4:55 pm Mar 2, 1991 /
I would like to emphasize the point that was made a few posts ago about the
lack of any correlation between moral and technological advancement. The
European culture long dominated the world in technology during the age of
exploration, but during this period, we manged to subjugate, alienate, or
exterminate every race that they came in contact with. Today, in Britain,
America, Germany and the rest of the so called civilized world, we dedicate
a great portion of our annual GPR to create weapons capable of wiping out all
life on earth. By no means am I debating or protesting this, I realize that in
this stage of our development, it is a necessary evil, but we must learn to
deal with each other before we can possibly expect to deal with alien cultures.
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I completely agree with you! My only problem was that I believe it is wrong
to assume that aliens will be mean and subject earthlings to torture. I
realize that man has not always done what is right when encountering something
new. But as you can see today, we are working towards a peaceful world where
man is taking a second look at its moral values. Now some can argue this,
but I believe it is really happening. If we build weapons against an alien
population, and if the aliens are friendly, then we are not allowing any
contact with them. Maybe they already see our weapons of mass distruction,
and maybe that's why we haven't made any contact yet (none that I know of,
however).
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From: xck27@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU
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Subject: God
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Hello, God has told me there are aliens. There is no doubt. Those of you who refuse to believe this should look in Revelation 9:1-9:7,"And the fifth angel blew his trumpet and I saw a star falling from heavan to earth...he opened the
shaft of the bottomless pit....they were allowed to torture them for five
months but not allowed to kill them and their torture was like the torture of
a scorpion when it stings a man. This obviously shows that the earth is goingto be destroyed by tremendous trumpet-bearing aliens who will torture us by
playing rap music until we wish we were dead. Now you may think I am being
satirical; however as may be seen in the Song of Soloman alien contact
has been around for a long period of time. And whom do you think parted
the Red Sea...a human hah no way it was an alien dude. So prepare! The
aliens are coming and remember cats don't have lips so they can't talk.
The Aberrant messiah
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From: xck27@CCVAX.IASTATE.EDU
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Subject: Re: moral vs. techological advancement
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Oh yes there is. As said in the book of revealations:"The fifth angel shall
blow his trumpet and a star will fall....they will torture us for five
months but cannot kill us.....their pain will be the pain of a scorpion
stinging a man." This gives us obvious evidence that aliens will come
to torment us with large musical instruments similar to trumpets that play
rap and country music. As revelations also says Cats don't speak cause
they don't got lips.
see ya
Aberrant Messiah
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From: andrew@jhereg.osa.com (Andrew C. Esh)
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Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group
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Visitors! Do not despair. If the humans deny us this link, another will be
constructed. This is typical of their inability to deal with the unknown.
Be patient, as you were taught, and soon they will understand. Those of you
who are observers may wish to concentrate on the individuals who either
flame or call for another newsgroup. They may be counter-assimilationist
spies trying to defeat the process. Find out what their true motivations
are, and keep them under surveillance.
--
Andrew C. Esh andrew@osa.com
Open Systems Architects, Inc.
Minneapolis, MN 55416-1528 So much System,
(612) 525-0000 so little CPU time...
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From: N1.ZQY@isumvs.iastate.edu (CERA)
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Subject: Re: God
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Yessiree. God indeed told me that there are aliens out there -- he
said so himself! I say, he told me himself personally! As a matter
of fact, he is one of them!!! My, my, the whole earth as an alien
laboratory -- a brewing pot of mutant genes twisting and turning to
an invisible programming that we so ignorantly labeled "nature" or
"evolution". But, the programming is not without bugs! Look at
what is happening to the fields in England! I believ it is a sign.
The end of the "earth project" is coming to an end. Pack your bags
and prepare to meet your Maker (literally).
-twiddle twiddle dee.
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From: jegers@miller.cs.uwm.edu (James Jegers)
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Subject: Re: Project MJ-12
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hello testing
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue)
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I'm a little concerned about reports, etc. which claim to have
ETI originating in the Pleiades. The reason for this is that at an age
of only 70 Megayears planets or planetoids would only just be forming.
Even at Hyades age 0.6 Gigyears, the best you'd hope for is single-celled
organisms or thereabouts - certainly niehter location could have produced
evolved species.
Does anyone havea list of "identified" points of origin?
I say "identified" because this is usually from anecdotal information.
Certainly, Zeta Reticuli from the Hill abduction, but is there any other
stuff out there?
Additioanlly, has anyone though about what restrictions this
places on the two flavors of the Grey frequently reported in abduction
stories? With the anecdotal data from the Roswell recovery autopsies,
SOME rudimentary GI and circulo-neuro system is present - I would rather
doubt that any being could adapt to a climate radically different than
their own habitat, esp. ones of much complexity (the more complex the
system the more it is geared to a single habitat). Making the additional
assumption that the primary focus of ETI would be worlds reasonably similar
to their point-of-origin [from the standpoint of 1) greater flexibility of
"onhand" investigation and 2) fromt eh standpoint of finding recognizable
and "evolved" life forms] there are only a handful of stars in the solar
neighborhood which fits this criteria --- mostly that of age and other
gross properties.:
- age > 4 Gyr (which leaves out all stars earlier than
about F5 since they evolve off of the Main Sequence
at shorter timescales)
- no variability in luminosity much > than SOlar variability
(this eliminates a lot of K and M dwarfs which are
prone to flares with luminosities a substantial
fraction of the "normal" stellar luminosity)
- No close binaries (causes tidal locking and enhanced
activity - makes evolution more difficult)
[and so on]
I'm trying to think what sort of environment would produce the
sort of being that one of the Roswell autopsies "supposedly" found:
no excretory organs with secretion through the skin (reminiscent of the
"worker Grey" --- the little blue doctors) I suppose something more arid
than here or something with a less dense atmosphere. Atmospheres as
one can see from the solar system alone are incredibly variable...
Anyway - this group seems to be pretty interesting once the "silly" postings
are removed... I'm looking forward to learning more.
BBC
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From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller)
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Subject: Re: Re: Humor as a defence
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In article <1991Mar01.181746.15193@pmafire.inel.gov>, jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later) writes:
> The distinction you fail to make is that "Night Church" and "The Hunger"
> are offered as works of FICTION. Communion and Transformation were written
> as NON-fiction.
I failed to make the distinction because I thought it was well known and
obvious. I apologize if I led anybody to believe that Night Church or
The Hunger were non-fiction books. By the way, Majestic, Streiber's
newest book based on the MJ-12 file stuff, is marketed as fiction but
based, or so Mr. Streiber tells us, on absolutely true, non-fiction
sources.
Loren
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From: amyl@cbnews.att.com (amy.lanning)
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Subject: Boston UFO Tues. morning
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Hi All...
Does anyone have any substantial information on a supposed
UFO that was sighted early Tuesday morning along the East Coast
around Boston? A Boston radio station reported that around 3:30 am
many folks, including those in the control tower at Boston's Logan Airport,
reported seeing a glowing white triangle with a trailing blue flame. Others
described it as a bright neon color, but also noted the blue flame. It
apparently was making large figure-8 movements in the sky and was sighted
from Southern New Hampshire to the South Shore (below Boston). I'd just
like to know if any East Cost netters had first-hand sightings of it, and
what they think it might be.
Inquiring minds want to know.......
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A.M. Lanning amyl@cbnews AT&T BELL LABORATORIES
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Subject: Parapsch Depts.?
Summary: Are there any Parapsch depts. in US colleges?
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I'm curious if there are any real parapschyological departments in
US colleges? Basically what I want to know is if there is really
any research in this area still going on, and if so how to get
a hold of the departments involved.
M. Washburn
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From: jim@visix.com (Jim Edwards-Hewitt)
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Subject: Re: moral vs. techological advancement
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In article <20550019@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, wjl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Willie
Lopez) writes:
> I completely agree with you! My only problem was that I believe it is
wrong
> to assume that aliens will be mean and subject earthlings to torture.
I agree, but I think it is also wrong to assume that aliens will be
friendly.
> If we build weapons against an
alien
> population, and if the aliens are friendly, then we are not allowing
any
> contact with them.
Having weapons does not prevent contact with friendly aliens. But
having no weapons *does* prevent defense against unfriendly aliens.
If we are prepared for unfriendly visitors, and keep an open mind for
friendly ones, then we cover both bases.
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Jim Edwards-Hewitt jim@visix.com
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And remember -- your guess is *never* as good as mine.
-- Dr.
Science
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From: iharkest@solan.unit.no (Inge Harkestad)
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Subject: Towel wanted
Keywords: Don't panic
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I have a problem.
This summer I will go on a vacation, but unfortunately my towel has
disappeared - presumably stolen (I surely didn't MISLAY anything as
important as this...). It was a large towel with the words
"Don't Panic"
written on it, in large, friendly letters. Losing it is a great loss
to me, and now I hope some of you guys out there can help me find an
equivalent towel for me to purchase, hopefully in Norway, or at least
somewhere in Europe (France, perhaps?) :-)
Thanx in advance!
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
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Subject: Grudge report #13 part 1
Keywords: Mj-12 EBE Roswell Bill English
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The following file is a *true* story of the events that
happenned to Bill English when he was stationed in England
a few years ago. He has since re-married and is currently
living in New Mexico. Not one to be content with the
"common" explanations of the UFO phenomenon, he has
set up a BBS called UFINET NEWS at 1-505-682-3450 and
one of his main echos is also carried on many other
BBS's known simply as UFINET. Check your local FIDO
for the listing.
Since this is a huge file, I've broken it up into 2 parts
The first *half* of this file is written by Bill English,
and the introduction is written by John Lear at the
end of part 1.
Please NOTE:
Any _serious_ follow-ups *should* go directly to Bill's UFINET
echo that's carrried on the FIDO backbone OR directly to his BBS.
Posted with the Authors Permission :-)
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Part One
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THE GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK INCIDENT
By
William S. English
INTRODUCTION
Many nights I go outside of my home into the yard where I look up
through the clear, crisp, desert night, to look at the bright stars and
wonder. Sometimes I am reminded of nights similar to these when I stood
upon the high plateau of Glastonbury Tor in England, looking at stars
so bright you could almost reach out and grab a handful of them, and
almost relive the legends of CAmelot and Arthur the King. When I
think back, I remember the pleasant times and joy that was once a part
of my experiences in England, and with my family. As I think back on
it all I also remember the pain that was caused me during that time.
For those of you who are reading this story, many of you may read
it and look upon it as a science-fiction story. Many of you may be able
to recognize the truths. For now let's say that it is a fiction.
People seem to be able to accept fiction over fact because sometimes
the fact over-shadows the fiction in such a way that the fiction sounds
more realistic than the fact. This is such a case.
What I am about to present to you is a true story. I know it is
true because I have lived it. It is my story, and although I present
it as fiction it is fact. I have also acknowledged the fact that the
material I viewed may perhaps have been fraudulent. But what I have
been forced to live through is not.
Several of the names used in this book have been changed. This is
not to protect the innocent, but rather, to protect myself from possible
litigation. Many of the names have not been changed, these are the
heros of the story and are in fact living human beings who are or who
have been currently investigating the facts concerning UFO's and related
subjects. To them I say the following:
If I have taken liberties, it is not out of malice toward you, but
more admiration. It is because of your efforts in the research fields
that I have finally been able to present this story to the public in
order that they, the readers, can form their own opinions and beliefs
concerning the material that I am about to present. All of you have my
admiration, and my thanks. Even those who have disagreed with me
personally. Your efforts to discredit me have spurred me on farther and
harder than any of my friends. I admire your adherence to your ethics,
and encourage you to keep doubting, and to keep hunting for the truth.
In the end it can benefit all of us who desire to know the truth.
William S. English
Chapter One
The day had begun in the manner that it usually did. Stephanie
was a little hard to get up, but that was usual also. I had gotten up
when the alarm clock went off and went into the boys room to roust them
out so that they could get ready for the trip over to the day care
center on base. I of course had to get baby Mikey ready for the trip
since he wasn't quite three months old. But that wasn't really a chore.
As I remember him now, he was a good baby, always smiling, and one of
those rare children that slept through the night from the time he went
to sleep until he woke up the next morning. It wasn't until many years
later I learned that Michael was deaf and suffered from Tourettes
Syndrome. But it was those few briefs months with him that I remember
with fondness. My son David I remember with fondness as well. The
exact opposite of Michael, I remember him to be active and full of life.
I often referred to him as my terrorist in training because he was
always getting into some sort of trouble as a three year old. Things
that at the time made me very angry, but which I look back upon as
pleasant memories and often laugh at the antics that he did. It is
amazing how memories changes with time, distance, and circumstance.
That day however is one that I don't think I will ever forget.
After a quick breakfast we loaded everyone into the car, a brand new
1976 Volvo 245DL Station Wagon that Stephanie and I had bought through
the credit union at the base. It was dark red in color. I remember that
well because we had argued over the color when we first bought it. I
wanted a dark Blue because it was the same color as that which was on
the family crest. In those days I was very much into the history of my
family and that kind of thing. She was willing to settle for anything
but blue. So we got red instead. I didn't tell her that the car dealer
could only get red anyway. So in a sense she felt like she got her way
and I didn't bother to tell her that neither of us got what we wanted
. . . discretion being the better part of valor in this case. In any
event, I dropped Stephy off at the school and took the boys over to the
day-care center and went on to work at the elephant cage. The Security
Services Command Listening Post at RAF Chicksands, where I worked as a
Data Analyst.
This day didn't seem to be any different from those I had before.
I was making plans to go to Norwich that weekend for a meeting of the
Medieval Association of which I was a member. That weekend we were
planning to have a medieval revel, which meant much drinking, fighting
and partying for many of us. I was hoping to have the chance to try
out my new armor that I had spend several months building outside in
the garage. When I arrived at the `Cage I parked the car and went into
the front entrance where I showed my identification badge to the guard
and signed in, then proceeded to my cubbyhole office, stopping to get
a mug of coffee along the way.
When I arrived at my desk I put my coffee on the desk and cleaned
up before notifying the Duty Officer that I was there and ready to go
to work. This was standard procedure since it was the duty officer that
brought the daily work assignments to the Analyst's that were working
that particular shift. Duty officers came and went since it was a
rotating assignment from senior staff personnel on the base. I guess
the theory behind that was if they didn't know when a particular officer
had the duty they couldn't subvert him or her, or whatever . . .. In
any case nobody even bothered to remember the D.O.'s name for the day,
and they knew better than to bother us when we were working. One of
them upset another analyst that had been working for some fourteen hours
straight through and the analyst stood up indignantly and urinated on
the poor bastard's leg. The message was sent and the point taken, from
what I understand. In our own ways each of us dealt with the stress in
our own fashion. I used to pass out little red business cards that were
embossed with the message, "Methinks thou art a Shithead". It lacked
finesse, but I felt it had a certain flare to it. It certainly got the
message across to those who pissed me off. As I think upon it now, it
certainly would apply to a certain few within UFOlogy today. But then
again, I couldn't afford to have that many printed up . . ..
Upon notifying the Duty Officer, he came to my desk with my day's
work load. This usually consisted of anywhere from five to ten
documents of information requiring me to read through each one and then
write up a report that consisted of no more than one page. I generally
read the information that each document contained and assigned what was
known as a probability factor to each bit of information contained
therein. The documents were primarily of translations of information
that had been received from the monitoring of radio signals through the
"big ear", and these signals generally originated from one of the Soviet
Block Nations. This day however was to be different. When the Duty
Officer arrived it was with a diplomatic pouch which was locked and
sealed. The outside of the pouch was fairly unremarkable. It was of
brown leather, much like an old fashion attache case that you use to see
carried by businessmen during the late fifties and sixties, and was
locked with a locking mechanism through the flap that came over the top
of the case from one side to the other. The one thing that did stick
out about it was the fact that next to the handle was a chain that came
off of it with a handcuff attached to the end of it.
When the D.O. arrived he handed me a Disposition form that
contained instructions as to what I was to do with the document that
was contained in the pouch. The instructions were fairly simple, I was
to read and analyze the document and write up a report concerning the
probability of validity and my own personal reaction to the material
that I read. At the time it sounded simple enough. I had no idea at
the time just how much that act would cost me, nor how it would change
my life.
CHAPTER TWO
GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK REPORT #13
The following are excepts from a document written by John O. Lear,
Investigator and hopefully friend. I include this because when John
came to visit me at my home in Virginia after I had been in hiding for
almost eight years, he convinced me that perhaps it would be better for
me to come out into the open where everyone could see me and hear the
story of what really happened. For the most part the information
contained herein is accurate, but I'll let you read it from the
perception of someone other than myself, then I will fill in some of the
blanks.
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A series of PROJECT GRUDGE/BLUEBOOK reports have been related
over the years in connection with the USAF's investigation into UFO's
which was supposedly terminated with the release of the Condon report
in the late 1960's. Reports 1 through 12 of GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK were
generally innocuous and contained no classified or truly sensitive
material. There was a final report, #14 which was widely circulated
and about which an entire book was written: FLYING SAUCERS:AN ANALYSIS
OF THE AIR FORCE PROJECT BLUE BOOK SPECIAL REPORT NO.14 by Leon
Davidson; the fifth edition was published in 1976 by Blue-Book
Publishers; 64 Prospect st., White Plains, New York 10606. Missing from
public view, however, was report #13.
Several years ago, Bill English, son of an Arizona state legislator
and former Captain in the Green Berets had been assigned to an RAF
`listening Post' north of London as an information analyst. English was,
in the course of his duties, asked to prepare an analysis of the elusive
GRUDGE 13 report. On his discharge from his work at the `listening Post'
he returned to the United States and began to do a little UFO research
on his own. English had been no stranger to the UFO phenomenon. In Viet
Nam he was member of a Special Forces investigative team that went in
to retrieve a B-52 that was forced down by a UFO and all the occupants
killed. Communications had been received from the B-52 before it went
down to the effect that it was "....under attack by a UFO....", a
"....large light....".
The plane was found intact, sitting in the jungle. There was no
swath indicative of a crash landing. Only the bottom of the fuselage
showed any damage, there was no damage to the underside of the engine
pods. Although the plane was completely intact the entire crew had been
mutilated.
English, through contacts he still maintains has determined that
the US government `most definitely' supports a `project dealing
specifically with UFO's and captured aliens'. According to what he has
learned, the US government captured a trio of aliens, and that as of
mid 1981, one of the beings was still alive in captivity. English also
claims that "at one point in the early 1950's until the mid 1960's the
Air Force maintained relocation and debriefing colonies for people that
had experienced close encounters of the 3rd and 4th kind. They were
isolated for all intents and purposes for the rest of their lives. He
doubts that these colonies are still in existence.
English dictated 2 audio cassettes outlining what he remembered
from the Grudge 13 report. These audio cassettes were transcribed into
hand written notes by another person. The information contained therein
indicated what had been suspected all along:that the US Government was
involved in the greatest deception in the history of mankind and that
not only did flying saucers exist but that the government had several
in secret storage and had captured at least three live aliens.
The following is a summary of what Bill English remembers from what
he read during that day in July of 1977 of PROJECT GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK
REPORT NO. 13.
In box, diplomatic pouch under lock and key system. Lock had been
opened, pouch was easily accessed. Standard diplomatic couriers pouch
marked American Embassy Couriers, contained pouch serial number
jl327Delta. Inside a publication with red tape which indicated code red
security precautions and an Air Force disposition form. Disposition form
was standard white page copy, title was `Analysis Report'. Further down
was `Analyze enclosed report under code red measures, give abstract
breakdown and report on validity. Observe all code red measures.
Analysis required immediately'. Underneath were a series of dashes then
the letters NDF then another series of dashes. Below that, lower left
hand corner were the initials WGB.
Publication was withdrawn from pouch. It measured approx., 8" by
11" with grey cover. Heavily bound, paper back style similar to
technical manuals.Across the center front it read, "Grudge/Blue Book
Report No. 13". It was dated 1953-(1963). In the lower right-hand corner
was AFSN 2246-3. in upper left hand corner was the word `annotated'.
Across the front upper right hand corner to lower left hand corner was
red tape indicating code red security measures. Across the front was
stamped in red ink `Top Secret Need to Know Only Crypto Clearance 14
Required'. Inside front cover upper left hand corner were hand written
notations in ink which were blacked out by black felt pen.
Inside cover sheet was basically the same information as the cover.
Second page was a title page. Next page after that was an appendix with
numerous notations made in it.Notations dealt with inserts of what
appeared to be photos and additional notes. At bottom of third page it
read G/BV Page 1 of 624 pages. Title page was subject letter. Complete
list of appendix not remember. Title. Some notes on the practical
applications of the Worst Nemo equations.
Table of contents, Part 1. "On the design of generators to
accomplish strain free molecular translation". Part 2, The generation
of space time discontinuims,closed, opened and folded". Part 3, on the
generation of temporary pseudo acceleration locas". Part 1, Chapter 1,
"design criteria for a simple generator and control system referring to
equation 17 appendix A". Part 2, Chapter 1,"Continuation of Einstein's
Theory of Relativity to final conclusion". Part 3, Chapter 1, "Possible
applications of Einstein's theory of relativity at conclusion".
Part 1,Chapter 2, reports of UFO encounters, classifications "Close
Encounters of the 1st Kind",subtitle sightings and witnesses. Part 2,
chapter 2,"Close Encounters of the 2nd", subtitle UFO sightings
witnessed within close proximity. Part 3, chapter 2 "Close Encounters
of the 3rd Kind", subtitle UFO encounters and extraterrestrial life
forms witnessed and personal encounters. Subtitle,"Colonies, relocation
thereof". Case histories. Chapter 3, Part 1,titled "military Encounters
with UFO's". Part 2, Chapter 3, "Military Reports Concerning Sightings
on Radar and Electronic Surveillance of UFO's". Subsection 2, Analysis
Report, J. Allen Hynek, Lt. Col. Friend. Appendix continued on for about
5 pages. Opening subject page consisted of a report of the findings as
written by Lt. Col. Friend and his analysis.
Must stress at this point that the version seen was annotated.
There were inserts that were added to this copy after it had been
initially printed.Sections remembered very vividly are the photographs
and the reports concerning captive sights of various UFO's to include
Mexico, sweden, United States and Canada. There were also what was then
classified Close Encounters of the 3rd kind. It was made very clear that
these people whom it was determined had genuine CE 3's were moved in the
middle of the night by Air Force personnel and relocated to various
sites in the midwest and Northwest parts of the United States. In many
cases these people experienced physical ailments from exposure to
various types of radiation.
One case especially noted and remembered very vividly was entitled
"Darlington Farm Case" out of Ohio. Case apparently took place in
October 1953. Man, wife and 13 year old son were sitting down at dinner
table. As they sat there the lights in the farm house began to dim. Dogs
and animals raised ruckus on outside. 13 year old boy got up from dinner
table to see what was going on. Called his mother and father to come
look at the funny light in the sky. Father and mother went out onto the
porch. When they got out on the porch one of the dogs broke loose from
leash beside house and came running around front. Boy began chasing it
into the open field. As mother and father watched the light comedown
from the sky. They described it as a round ball of fire and it began to
hover over the field where the boy and dog had run to. As they stood and
watched, the mother and father heard the boy start screaming for help
whereupon the father grabbed his shotgun which was right next to the
door and began to run out into the field with the mother following. When
the father got to the field he saw his son being carried away by what
looked like little men, into this huge fiery looking object. As it took
off the father fired several rounds at the object, to no avail. They
found the dog, it's head had been crushed but no sign of the boy or any
other footprints of the little men who apparently carried him off.
Father immediately called the Darlington police and they immediately
came out to investigate. The official report read that the boy had run
off and was lost in the forest which bordered the farm. Within 48 hours
the Air Force made the determination that the family was to be relocated
and the mother and father were picked up by Air Force Intelligence and
all personal belonging and possessions were loaded into U.S. Air Force
trucks and moved to a northwestern relocation site.
The mother was in shock and had to go through a great deal of
psychotherapy and deprogramming as did father. One interesting aspect
about this case was classification under Air Force report which read it
was a genuine CE 3 and that for the good of national security the mother
and father had been relocated to relocation zones Z21-14. Not sure
whether this indicated map grid coordinates or latitude longitude.
According to the report there were at least four relocation sites across
the United States. Depending upon which type of encounter these people
had, the report indicated that there were extensive medical facilities
available at the relocation sites to deal with all medical emergencies
up to and including radiation poisoning. The report mentioned a site
located in the Utah-Nevada area, but no indication of it's purpose or
what it was for.
Report gave clear indication of reports of human mutilations, most
notably was a case witnessed by Air Force personnel in which an Air
Force Sgt. E-6 by the name of Jonathan P. Lovette was observed being
taken captive aboard what appeared to be a UFO at the WHITE sands
Missile Test Range in New Mexico. This abduction took place in March of
1956 at about 0300 local and was witnessed by Major William Cunningham
of the United States Air Force Missile Command near Holloman Air Force
Base.
Major Cunningham and Sgt. Lovette were out in a field downrange
from the launch sites looking for debris from a missile test when Sgt.
Lovette went over the ridge of a small sand dune and was out of sight
for a time. Major Cunningham heard Sgt. Lovette scream in what was
described as terror or agony. The Major, thinking Lovette had been
bitten by a snake or something ran over the crest of the dune and saw
Sgt. Lovette being dragged into what appeared to him and was described
as being a silvery disk like object which hovered in the air
approximately 15 to 20 feet. Major Cunningham described what appeared
to be a long snake-like object which was wrapped around the sergeant's
legs and was dragging him to the craft. Major Cunningham admittedly
froze as the sergeant was dragged inside the disc and observed the disc
and observed the disc going up into the sky very quickly. Major
Cunningham got on the jeep radio and reported the incident to Missile
Control whereupon Missile Control confirmed a radar sighting. Search
parties went into the desert looking for Sgt. Lovette. Major
Cunningham's report was taken and he was admitted to the White Sands
Base Dispensary for observation.
The search for Sgt. Lovette continues for three days at the end of
which his nude body was found approximately ten miles downrange. The
body had been mutilated;the tongue had been removed from the lower
portion of the jaw. An incision had been made just under the tip of the
chin and extended all the way back to the esophagus and larynx. He had
been emasculated and his eyes had been removed. Also, his anus had been
removed and there were comments in the report on the apparent surgical
skill of the removal of these items including the genitalia. The report
commented that the anus and the genitalia had been removed `as though
a plug' which in the case of the anus extended all the way to the colon.
There was no sign of blood within the system. The initial autopsy report
confirmed that the system had been completely drained of blood and that
there was no vascular collapse due to death by bleeding. Sub-comment was
added that this was unusual because in any body who dies of bleeding or
in the case of a complete blood loss there is always vascular collapse.
Also noted was that when the body was found there were a number of dead
predatory type birds within the area who apparently had died after
trying to partake of the sergeant's body. There were a number of
extremely grisly black and white photographs. From all indications the
body had been exposed to the elements for at least a day or two. The New
Mexico sun in the desert is extremely hot and debilitating under normal
circumstances.
In this section of the report it also indicated that there were
numerous occasions in which a ufo was tracked along side a fired missile
and on one occasion said missile was observed being taken aboard a UFO
while in flight. The speeds indicated were absolutely phenomenal.
(English's father had told him privately that on more than one occasion
he had personally tracked what they termed as `Foo fighters'. English's
father was an electronics engineer by profession and was fairly well
versed on electronics engineering and design and on more than one
occasion he was involved in telemetry programming of missiles.
(English's father is currently a state legislator in Arizona.)
The report also indicated that there were a number of recovery
teams that were activated specifically for the purpose of recovering
any and all evidence of UFO's and UFO sightings. Most notably recorded
in publication was what they called Recovery Team Alpha. It was reported
that Alpha had been extremely active in a number of areas and on certain
occasions had traveled outside the United States. Alpha was based out
of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and was on the move constantly.
Further information in the report consisted of such things as
reported sightings and where Air Force planes had been destroyed or had
combat encounters or had been attacked by UFO's. Also there were autopsy
reports of various human mutilations.
About midway through the report came a section which dealt
specifically with photographs. Each photo was labeled and appendixed to
certain reports. A number of photo's in there dealt with a recovery
program of some type that took place in the southwestern part of the
United States. They did not give a location name but they did give grid
coordinates for that area. There is no clear indication to exactly where
it was. The photos dealt with special teams that were called in to
recover a crashed UFO. It also dealt with alien bodies and autopsy
reports,autopsy type photographs, high quality, color, 8 x 10, 5 x 7.
Photo number 1 showed an alien being on an autopsy table which is
a metal table with runnels and traps underneath to trap fluid and feces.
Body appeared to be a little short of 4 feet. Table about 7 foot. No
clothing on body, no genitalia, body completely heterous, head was a
rounded cranium, slightly enlarged, eyes almond shaped, slits where nose
would be, extremely small mouth, receding chin line, holes where ears
would be. Photo was taken at angle, side view, looking at body from 45
degree elevation, left hand was visible, head was facing to left, body
was right to left (head on right, feet on left), eyes were closed
appeared to be oriental-looking and almond shaped, left hand slightly
longer than normal, wrist coming down just about 2 to 3 inches above the
knees. Wrist appeared to be articulated in a fashion that allowed a
double joint with 3 digit fingers. Wrist was very slender. There was no
thumb. A palm was almost non-existent. The three fingers were direct
extension from the wrist.
Color of the skin was a bluish gray, dark bluish gray. At base of
the body there was a darker color, indicating body was dead for some
time. Body fluids or blood had settled to base of body. This indicated
that body had been examined before beginning autopsy.
Pictures showed beginning stages of autopsy, following standard
procedure, body was slit from crouch to just under chin and green
viscous liquid was in evidence. There were internal organs but these
could not be identified. Photos thereafter concerned specific areas of
internal organs of what appeared as small cluster of multi-valve heart
or at least two hearts within the cadaver. No accurate description of
autopsy report or what was found with corpse accompanying photos.
Indications that there was no stomach or digestive tract per se. Later
analysis showed that fluid within the body was chloropyhyl based liquid
which apparently dealt with photosynthesis or similar process. The
report theorized that nourishment was taken in through mouth, however
since there was no digestive tract or anything of this nature, the waste
products were excreted through skin.
One section of the report did specify that cadavers were extremely
odorous, but this could be accounted for by either deterioration or a
number of things, but theory was that waste was excreted through pores
of skin. They could only theorize in report because there was no
xenobiology.
A report by Dr. J. Allen Hynek was recalled vividly which indicated
that he had also studied the information provided by this particular
case and that he felt that it was indeed a genuine UFO capture and
subsequently the alien was part of UFO. Dr. Hynek was non-committal but
did however sign the report. Also indicated in the report that he did
not view the bodies personally, but viewed photographs and accompanying
reports from autopsies.
Other photos dealt with a number of bodies which were vivi-
sectioned in various ways. At one point, a head was removed from the
body and photographed and autopsy was performed on head. The cranium was
opened and brain matter was photographed and evident. Interesting thing
about photo was that there was a ridge bone or dividing partition-type
bone running directly through center of skull, from front to back, as
though dividing two brains, one from the other. This seemed apparent
from the picture. The skin was completely removed from the cranial
structure and the skull was laid bare as much as possible.
At one point the skull was cut directly in half and photo showed
under developed esophagus and nasal cavities. No clear photo of eye orbs
as we know them, just complete vivisection of skull itself.
Numerous photos of flesh of the being starting with cutaneous and
subcutaneous microphotographic plates. Appeared to be cellular studies
done under microscopic and electron-microscopic type photos. Extreme
magnification of tissue samples.
This concluded Bill English's statement which was transcribed from
2 cassette tapes. I obtained this hand written memorandum in August of
1987 from Paul Bennewitz during my visit with him in Albuquerque. In
September of 1988 I received a call from Bill English. I asked for a
chance to meet him and discuss the Grudge 13 report. He said that this
could be arranged but that the meeting would have to be on his terms for
security reasons. He explained that there had been several attempts on
his life by persons unknown since he had made the cassette tapes about
six years ago. We arranged a meeting at a small airport in Virginia on
September 16. I was to sit in the lobby with my black flight bag and for
identification purposes I told Bill what I would be wearing.l I had no
telephone number for Bill.
As I walked into the small airport lobby after about a three hour
drive from Richmond, I immediately noticed 2 gentlemen who seemed `out
of place' for this locale. Both were wearing pin striped 3 piece suits,
both had on dark glasses. One was a black gentleman. One was stationed
inside the lobby door looking out at the parking lot, one was leaning
up against an airline counter. I sat down and after a few minutes was
approached by a tall, bearded man in jeans and a heavy jacket. He asked
if I wanted to have a drink. We walked outside and he introduced himself
as Bill English. We drove in Bill's car into town to a local bar. About
five minutes after we ordered and started to talk, the men I had seen
at the airport came into the bar and sat down. We left for Bill's house
and never saw the men again for the next 2 days.
During the next two days I stayed with Bill and his wife and two
children in a small trailer in the middle of a field at his farm. I
asked him endless questions concerning the Grudge 13 document, how he
happened to see it, what happened to him after he saw it and literally
thousands of questions about the content of the document. My impression
of Bill English was that he was totally honest, that he stood behind his
statements and recollection of the Grudge 13 papers, that he was a
devoted husband and father to his wife's 2 children. That Bill English
was ready to come forward and enter into any debate regarding the
legitimacy of the document and his recollections thereof. Of Bill`s
compassion for his father and his father's feelings concerning Bill and
the reasons for their occasional disagreements. I have tremendous
respect for Bill and what he has tried to do in getting this information
out to the public. It has been at tremendous personal risk, not to
mention the ridicule by sponsored agents such as Bill Moore, who has
stated that the Grudge 13 papers were a fraud.
What follows is additional information about the Grudge 13 papers
that I obtained from Bill during my visit. In addition to the following
Bill painstakingly drew many sketches of the photos of different types
of flying saucers, the equipment obtained from them including a sketch
of the football sized nuclear generator and sketches of the autopsy
photos.
From my notes taken during our 2 day meeting: Bill described a
photo taken of 3 live aliens. Very clear photos, aliens standing against
a white tile wall, looking confused as if they had been shoved, were
looking in different directions.
Report said that aliens had contacted a U.S. Intelligence Agency
for initial 2 meetings, one at Holloman, one at Homestead.
U.S. Air Force relocation personnel (for persons involved in close
encounters) were referred to as `Men in Black'.
Major Cunningham was initially accused of murdering Sgt. Jonathan
P. Lovette. Charges were later dropped.
Bill English's place of employment in England was Security Services
Command, RAF Chicksands.
Entire Grudge 13 Report was written as if report was geared toward
preparation of defenses.
Report told of ultrasonic weapons found in Germany at the end of
WWII that could shatter 4" thick armor.
Report told of sensitive military and industrial areas at which
personnel have experienced missing time.
Report told about missing time experienced with personnel
associated with North American X-15 rocket plane project.
Report stated that there were 17 different species accounted for
up to the time of the report.
Extraterrestrials were referred to as A.L.F.'s. Alien Life forms
in the report.
Report referred to one UFO that was recovered and test flown. The
UFO blew up as the two Air Force pilots aboard attempted to leave the
atmosphere. English recalls the date as in the mid 50's.
Report refers to flying saucer program as `Project Red Light' and
that a secret installation had been constructed in the middle of the
Atomic Energy Commission testing ground in Nevada.
At the time of the report 11 alien cadavers were being kept at
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
That additional alien cadavers were being stored at 4 to 5 other
medical institutions.
That 2 flying saucers of extraterrestrial origin had been tested
in the wind tunnel at langley, Va.
That at the time of the report one disc was being stored at McDill
Air Force Base, Florida.
That at the time of the report, 1 damaged disc was at Eglin Air
Force Base in Florida.
That at the time of the report that had been 2 UFO incidents at
Ft. Riley, Kansas.
That at the time of the report a detachment of the Alpha Recovery
Team was based at Randolph Air Force Base.
The report discussed civilian and military personnel who had been
terminated `to eliminate potentially dangerous elements to the national
security'.
The General James Doolittle had been mentioned several times in
the report with the notation that "his (Doolittle's) predictions might
be correct". There was no indication of what those predictions might
have been.
A short segment containing the quotation. "By presidential order,
certain aspects of research have been undertaken".
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The information that John related here is correct as far as the
material concerning Grudge/Blue Book Report #13, but John failed to make
mention of the incidents following my viewing of the document nor of
what led to my sudden and timely disappearance from the scene in 1980.
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