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From: csuxr@warwick.ac.uk (Andrew Shires)
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Subject: Re: Vallee/streiber
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Date: 13 Jun 91 14:52:20 GMT
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>> For me, reading his
>> stuff legitimised UFO literature again, which, after much of the reading
>> I had done when I was younger, I felt was pretty poor.
>As to the material that you are referring to, I would be curious to hear what
>material you read which you found poor.
Sadly, names escape me, as I was young when I did most of my UFO reading
pre- recent times, about 11 or 12 (now 21) and I do not have the books any
longer. They were usually books reporting very poorly (e.g. making gross
assumptions about the origins of phenomena) what people had allegedly
experienced. Also, my reservations about the literature I had read prior
to Streiber were not always purely the reporting aspect, but about the nature
of witness accounts, which, for whatever reasons, were often unsatisfactory
(example reasons I am getting at include: obvious lies, having been told
to say something, having preconceptions about their experiences, etc).
>I may be able to recommend some good literature which properly depicts the
>historical aspect of the phenomenon.
Please do.
>His book, Majestic, does not lend itself to anything solid in the quest for
>finding an MJ-12 group, if one really exists.
I haven't read Majestic, but just from reading about it, it seemed as if
the book would not do his reputation for serious writing in the field any
good.
>I would also agree that *something* has happened to him. But, I cannot say
>that it was alien.
Same here
>Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
Andrew Shires
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From: hychejw@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff W. Hyche)
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Subject: Re: Phobos 2-ussr
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Date: 13 Jun 91 15:44:31 GMT
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With this unknow shadow in the pictures from the Phobos 2 probe
still unkown, what does that do to the plained 2015 Mars Mission? Some
people have suggested that this shadow is a space craft of unknown
origin and the probe was "removed from operation" by it. Would you use
the word attacked here? What would said aliens want to keep us from
knowing about on mars? Should the manned mission go expecitng possible
trouble ie armed to the teeth? What ya think?
--
// Jeff Hyche
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From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins)
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Subject: Re: Why would I stick a face on Mars...
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Date: 13 Jun 91 16:45:59 GMT
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In article <17183@helios.TAMU.EDU> john@stat.tamu.edu (John S. Price) writes:
>If we (we == mankind) weren't around when the face was created, how can the
>creators of it have known to put somethign that resembled a face there to
>give us a message?
Number one, it doesn't resemble a *human* face. Number two, IF it artificial
then it most likely THEIR face, not ours because they didn't have time travel
to see what ours looked like.
If it's artificial was created by Earth colonists, on the other hand, then they
sure looked a lot like Neanderthals...
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From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins)
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Subject: Re: The Mars face.
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Date: 13 Jun 91 16:51:43 GMT
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In article <1991Jun07.230922.18723@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> woodc@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Major Havok) writes:
> On the topic of the face on Mars... it seems unlikely that such a feature
>would be created natuarally on such a (relatively) dead planet...
In article <3338@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> redekop@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Tzoq Mrekazh) writes:
> I take it from this that you also believe that someone carved all those
>river-like run-off chanels...
That's interesting.
Are you implying that some of the dried up riverbeds look like faces too?
Or that some of them could have been canals?
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From: redekop@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Tzoq Mrekazh)
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Subject: Re: The Mars face.
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Date: 13 Jun 91 20:30:47 GMT
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In article <13071@uwm.edu> markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins) writes:
>In article <1991Jun07.230922.18723@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> woodc@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Major Havok) writes:
>> On the topic of the face on Mars... it seems unlikely that such a feature
>>would be created natuarally on such a (relatively) dead planet...
>
>In article <3338@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> redekop@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Tzoq Mrekazh) writes:
>> I take it from this that you also believe that someone carved all those
>>river-like run-off chanels...
>
>Are you implying that some of the dried up riverbeds look like faces too?
>Or that some of them could have been canals?
No, I was implying that Mars can't have always been as (relatively) dead as
it is now, for if it were, the river-beds wouldn't be there...
--
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From: timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson)
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Subject: Re: INFO: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
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Date: 13 Jun 91 14:20:01 GMT
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In article <1991Jun12.204209.12580@shinobu.sgi.com>, rodman@sgi.com (Paul K. Rodman) writes...
#In article <2955@ke4zv.UUCP> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
#
##The only manmade structure that can be seen with the naked eye from space,
##the Great Wall of China, has been around for a fair amount of time in
#.......
#
>BZZZT...Wrong. TONS of stuff is visible from LEO. Do you think that
>Manhattan or LA suddenly become invisible because you are 120 miles
>up? Perhaps the Great Wall is the only object visible from the Moon or
>somesuch distance.
>
BZZZZZT,BZZZZZZT WRONG WRONG WRONG. 8^)
The Great Wall of China is the only thing visible from space with
"the naked eye."
Steve
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From: ijameson@physics.adelaide.edu.au (pablo carraso)
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Subject: Re: Santanists
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Date: 13 Jun 91 22:47:22 GMT
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In article <91163.211025IO00671@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO00671@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Doctor) writes:
> ...Just out of curiosity... what was the original posting that started
> this conversation off?...
Someone claimed that 95% of all kidnappers were worshippers
of Satan. In Texas anyway.
Our replies to this person were fairly standard.
Iain
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From: rob@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Robbie)
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Subject: Re: Why would I stick a face on Mars...
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Date: 13 Jun 91 23:03:31 GMT
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Faces: I think y'all need to define what you mean by a face.
I saw Jack Kennedy's profile in a natural rock formation in a valley in
Hawaii... and according to a well circulated publication there are entire
Old West towns on the surface of Venus, tho Magellan hasn't imaged them
yet. And not only that but also there's a man in the moon.
Actually I do have a point to make, a question to pose: How would you
design an unmanned exploratory vehicle to search for signs of non-human
intelligence? Say it could travel great distances and could only relay
back the message 'Yes' or 'No'. What remote sensing instruments would
you put on board, what sorts of algorithms, what manner of neural nets?
Rob Fatland
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
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Subject: Re: The Mars face.
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Date: 13 Jun 91 22:48:39 GMT
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Hiya...
(Let me state this here and now. I don't think that the "Face on Mars" is
anything more than an oddly shapped hill. The picture shows a symmetrical
oval, 2/3 shaded, with two crevaces at different angles at either end.
Until the Mars Observer, et. al. reconniter the planet, rational humans
should asume that it is nothing more than a feature of weathering,
the National Enquirer to the contrary.
But if you are going to say it's not, lets at least be pseudo-scientific
about it!)
Re: Aliens Put it There: Time travel is not necessary. If THEY came booting
through our system one million years ago, they would have found a terrestrial,
mammal just beginning to walk on its hind legs the whole time with manipulative
digits, stereoscopic vision, and rudimentary intellegence. This species
would have shown some promise, and warranted a message, in the form of
a face on the nearest planet, just far enough away to present a technological
challenge.
Re: River channels: Ever see the picture of Kermit the Frog made up of
real-live Martian river channels? It looks more like Kermit than I could
draw, and it is Not half shaded, etc. THEY must love the muppets too!
TTFN/TTYL... Joshua B-) (ardent scientist, and rational person)
[ps. don't mean to be knocking down anyones philosophy, esp. anyone with gun!]
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From: wt0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Henry Timmins)
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Subject: Re: INFO: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
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Clarifiction for Gary:
You DON'T see Manhattan or LA from space. You DO see the illumination
from cities... at night.
-Me
[Pooh Bear incarnate.]
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From: ldoering@caen.engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering)
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Subject: Things you can see from space
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In article <3359@shodha.enet.dec.com> timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) writes:
>
>In article <1991Jun12.204209.12580@shinobu.sgi.com>, rodman@sgi.com (Paul K. Rodman) writes...
>#In article <2955@ke4zv.UUCP> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>#
>##The only manmade structure that can be seen with the naked eye from space,
>##the Great Wall of China, has been around for a fair amount of time in
>#.......
>#
>>BZZZT...Wrong. TONS of stuff is visible from LEO. Do you think that
>>Manhattan or LA suddenly become invisible because you are 120 miles
>>up? Perhaps the Great Wall is the only object visible from the Moon or
>>somesuch distance.
>>
>BZZZZZT,BZZZZZZT WRONG WRONG WRONG. 8^)
>
> The Great Wall of China is the only thing visible from space with
> "the naked eye."
Bullshit. This question is addressed in Cecil Adams' "More of the Straight
Dope", p. 92. Quoting without permission:
"... Any number of man-made structures can bee seen from space, provided
we construe 'structures' to mean 'anything built." Many of these are things
that look like long, straight lines when seen from afar, such as highways,
railroads, and of course walls. ... I have here a photo of Cape Canaveral
taken during the Gemini V flight in which the big Launch Complex 39, used
for the Apollo missions, is clearly visible. Another photo of the Nile
delta, taken from a height of 100 miles, shows an extensive road network.
Gemini V astronauts Gordon Coopear and Charles Conrad were able to spot,
among other things, a special checkerboard pattern that had been laid out
in Texas, a rocket-sled test in New Mexico, and the aircraft carrier that
would later pick them up in the Atlantic, along with a destroyer trailing
in its wake."
Astronauts in low-earth orbit generally have no trouble seeing things like
airports, major highways, and of course cities with the naked eye. If you
count things like the Suez or Panama canals, man-made objects other than
the Great Wall of China would be visible from relatively high orbits.
Actually, the Great Wall is probably harder to see than the average interstate
highway, since it's only about 30 or 40 feet wide.
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