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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Info: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
Message-ID: <1991Jun10.224210.7699@bilver.uucp>
Date: 10 Jun 91 22:42:10 GMT
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In article <71567.285189A9@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
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> > From: jenkins@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Steve Jenkins)
> > Date: 5 Jun 91 15:47:59 GMT
> > Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
> > Message-ID: <1991Jun5.154759.20360@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov>
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> > In article <1991May31.022927.35@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don
> > Allen) writes:
> > >WWCR's radio broadcast "For The People" on 03-May-91 carried a
> > >report by Richard C. Hoagland, who believes the United States
> > >might have a spacecraft on its way to the planet Mars in order to
> > >investigate the "Cydonia Message" first discovered in photos
> > >taken by Viking 1 in 1976. Hoagland believes the Mars observer
> > >spacecraft was deployed by the Space Shuttle "Atlantis" on
> > >mission STS-38.
> >
> > Wow! I guess we better get busy with the Mars Observer telemetry
> > system. It's not scheduled for ground testing until later this year.
>
>Do you think that someone of your position might respond to this in an
>intellectual way without resorting to these kind of statements? Hoagland
>might not be your favorite fan, but at least we could get a balanced viewpoint
>from someone who might know that would show Hoagland's statement to be
>outrageous and unfounded. Personally, I feel that this is wild speculation as
>well, but I would also like to hear from someone within NASA that could
>respond with substantive evidence that this claim is ridiculous.
>
>Mike
>
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Bravo, Michael..point WELL taken.
I may volunteer to act as a lightening rod, but I DO also want to see
some substantive validation either one way or the other.
IF Hoagland's claims are invalid..then let's see some *official* word
from the people working directly on the Mars Mission...
This is a _cordial_ invitation to any official spokesperson within NASA..
Here's your chance guys :-)
Regards,
Don
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Probe
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Date: 10 Jun 91 22:48:32 GMT
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In article <71569.285189AD@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
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> > Without the picture or any credible first hand witnesses, by any
> > standard,
> > this all adds up to poppycock.
>
>Your mathematics is flawed. How does it add up to "poppycock?"
>
>Wouldn't it be better to say that it is possible and warrants further study?
>I have found numerous references in the scientific journals detailing the
>strange shadow seen just before losing contact with the probe. Until you can
>explain this anomaly, I say that the equation is still open and deserves
>further attention.
>
>Mike
>
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I would dearly *love* to re-open this case in a full blown discussion
here by _listening_ to arguments presented either for or against.
I want to know MORE about what that shadow is...if anyone is following
this thread and has *ANY* knowledge whatsoever, please fill us in :-)
Regards,
Don
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: New info from Brazil!
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Date: 10 Jun 91 23:21:37 GMT
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In article <AcHy9LO00WBL82dXJa@andrew.cmu.edu> am4g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Artur Matuck) writes:
>Hello. My name is Artur Matuck. I write poetic science fiction and I am
>very interested in alien visitors. I have enjoyed reading this
>newsgroup, and I felt that I should provide some information regarding
>what is happening in Brazil, from where I came 8 months ago.
>Well there is a lot of recently written books on the subject by a man
>called Trigueirinho, a spiritual leader who said he was personnally
>contacted to receive the messages and write the books.
>Maybe some American editors would like to produce an english edition of
>the books. They are very interesting reports and shed a lot of light
>onto the issue while describing an upcoming spiritual revolution that
>humankind is/will be passing through. Maybe this will interest someone.
>Artur
While that's intriguing, I just finished reading a book that _should_
be considered a *must read* on this subject. It's called "Confrontations",
and it's written by UFO researcher, Jacques Vallee. You might also be
interested in reading it. He details several sightings and phenomena of
the "chupas" in the country of Brazil and around the various towns that
border the Amazon river.
The inhabitants of these towns that experienced the visits of the "Chupas",
are frankly, terrorized by the craft and Vallee does an excellent job of
presenting the facts surrounding the "victims" that are hit by a beam of
"light" that leaves them ill, nauseous,weak or in some cases, DEAD.
It occurs to me that the effects of the "beam" that is played upon the
local townsfolk sounds awfully close to pulsed microwaves.
Vallee presents some _disturbing_ information in this book about our
"visitors". In my opinion, I would be real suspicious of "aliens"
that come forth to do "good" for mankind. This is just a suggestion...
but you might want to take a HARD look at it yourself.
The ever-present nagging thought I have is that NO being that's from
the LIGHT or of God would _abduct or terrorize_ people.
I personally do NOT believe that God's agents/angels are involved in
the LARGE amount of UFO abductions,mutilations,etc..
In the last few years, I have read ALOT on the UFO phenomena and it's
"fringes" , but I've not ONCE seen any thing GOOD come out of an
abduction or a supposed "channeling" or "meeting" whereby the "ET's"
actually did _any thing_ beneficial to mankind.
Until I do, I will remain very much the *skeptic* of such claims.
Regards,
Don
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Mars face.
Message-ID: <1991Jun10.233013.8087@bilver.uucp>
Date: 10 Jun 91 23:30:13 GMT
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In article <1991Jun07.230922.18723@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> woodc@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Major Havok) writes:
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> On the topic of the face on Mars... it seems unlikely that such a feature
>would be created natuarally on such a (relatively) dead planet. Mars, as far
>as I know, has virtually no atmosphere compared to the earth, so it doesn't
>seem that there would be much errosion occuring on the surface of mars. I
>don't know much about mars, so I don't know what the current volcanic
>activity level is like on mars, but it seems that volcanic activity would
>produce a much more random feature. Anyone have any thoughts on this???
>
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Here's a "what if" for you :-)
What if Mars had an atmosphere, at a *much* earlier time, and beings were
able to live on such a planet, and construct such monuments?
Are we so locked into thinking that this isn't possible?
We presuppose many things in our sciences and education..
What if there are beings living on Mars now, but are in much finer
higher vibrational bodies and *we* just cannot see them?
We can't see "dead" people either, but they are alleged to have "light"
bodies..sometimes we can even "sense" a presence near us...
Just some food for thought :-)
Regards,
Don
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From: timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson)
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Subject: Re: Why would I stick a face on Mars...
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In article <91162.130043A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET>, A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET writes...
>The geographical structure on Mars that *looks like a face* is millions
>of years old. Nothing on earth had anything that looked like a face back
>than...
>
>Chew on this
How do you know??? Were you here millions of years ago.
Your logic is flawed. Don't get me wrong I don't think
it is a face either but saying that nothing on earth looked
like a face millions of years ago is foolish on your part.
Steve
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From: timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson)
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Subject: Re: face on mars
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In article <kuerten.676638518@NewsServ>, kuerten@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kuerten) writes...
>stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes:
>>The real proof would be to find more than one face. I think we will.
>
>well as far I know it, there ARE more than one face...
Another foolish statement. Site your sources and produce
the pictures of the other faces.
Steve
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From: redekop@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Tzoq Mrekazh)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Why would I stick a face on Mars...
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Date: 12 Jun 91 01:15:11 GMT
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In article <91162.130043A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET> A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET writes:
>The geographical structure on Mars that *looks like a face* is millions
>of years old. Nothing on earth had anything that looked like a face back
>than...
>
>Chew on this
I take it from this that you were around to check on terran face-like
forms millions of years ago...
Considering that there are natural face-like formations on Earth at the
moment (though, admittedly, none that I know of are of the scale of the
Mars face), there's no reason to think that such things would have been
impossible in the past...
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From: redekop@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Tzoq Mrekazh)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Mars face.
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Date: 12 Jun 91 01:21:55 GMT
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In article <1991Jun11.165846.9363@colorado.edu> schiffd@tigger.Colorado.EDU (David M. Schiff) writes:
>In article <3338@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> redekop@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Tzoq Mrekazh) writes:
>>In article <1991Jun07.230922.18723@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> woodc@jacobs.cs.orst.edu (Major Havok) writes:
>> I take it from this that you also believe that someone carved all those
>>river-like run-off chanels...
>
> No. Admittedly, the face probably is natural but you have some facts
>wrong (at least based on the information I've seen :=)).
>
Which facts? The only thing I mentioned was the existance of river-like
run-off chanels...
>> Seeing as we've only got a view of the Mars Face from one angle, and that
>>only half-lit...
>
> We have pictures from two different angles-
> frame 35A72 at 10 degrees above the western horizon and
> frame 70A13 at 27 degrees ...
>
Hmm... I've only ever seen one of these... Often modified by the editors
of WWN, of course...
>> Hasn't anyone here ever seen the Old Man of the Mountain in New Hampshire?
>>From the right angle, it looks just like the profile of a human face...
>
> The Old Man of the Mountain is a 1-dimensional phenomenon. As you say,
> it only looks like a person when viewed in profile. The "face" exhibits
> its characteristics in two dimensions. According to an article I read,
> [Details of analysis deleted]...
Actually, the OMotM illusion holds from more than just one profile position --
There's a (albeit relatively small) sweep area from which the profile image
can be seen.
I'd be curious to see that other image. Does anyone have a GIF of it?
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From: jjwwjj@mixcom.COM (Robotic Systems)
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Subject: PLEASE POST MARSFACE GIF
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A few days ago I asked if anyone could send me a good copy of the marsface.gif.
I recv'd about 20 inquiries from people wanting me to send them a copy if I get
the marsface.gif. Well, I never have recv'd one yet!
So, if you have a good copy of the marsface.gif, do everyone a favor...
AND POST IT NOW !!!
Thanks.
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From: john@stat.tamu.edu (John S. Price)
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Subject: Re: Why would I stick a face on Mars...
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Date: 12 Jun 91 07:47:27 GMT
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In article <1991Jun11.144116.5911@den.mmc.com> doehr@magellan.den.mmc.com (Brett B. Doehr) writes:
>In article <91162.130043A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET>, A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET writes:
>|> The geographical structure on Mars that *looks like a face* is millions
>|> of years old. Nothing on earth had anything that looked like a face back
>|> than...
>|>
>|> Chew on this
>
>Chew on what? Is this an argument for the "Mars face" being natural
>or not? The fact is that, because of Earth's atmosphere (wind and
>water erosion), glacier activity, and volcanic activity, there aren't
>natural features that are "millions of years old." On Mars, there
>probably are natural geological features that are that old. Has anyone
>accurately dated the age of the "Mars face"? I don't see where this
>statement makes a point.
>
>--Brett.
I really think his point was to say that 'millions of years ago',
there wasn't anything on earth TO resemble a face such as the one
on mars, so how could someone create something for the people on
earth to look at, that resembled those people that are looking, if
such a entity didn't exist?
If the face was created before the 'dawn of man', this argument makes
a very valid point, at least in regards to the statemens that the
face was put there as a message to us, in a way that would be
'most natural' for us to look at. If we (we == mankind) weren't around
when the face was created, how can the creators of it have known
to put somethign that resembled a face there to give us a message?
They couldn't.
Unless of course they had time travel. :-)
(This post isn't for or against the idea that the face isn't natural,
I was just trying to clarify the confusion of these 2 posts that I
replied to)
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From: wt0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Henry Timmins)
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Subject: Re: The Mars face.
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>What if there are beings living on Mars now, but are in much finer
>higher vibrational bodies and *we* just cannot see them?
Finer? What, more colorful than we are?
>We can't see "dead" people either, but they are alleged to have "light"
>bodies..sometimes we can even "sense" a presence near us...
I can see dead people fairly easily. Just watch TV. Or visit a morgue,
that one's a bit harder.
Fringes fringes here we go...
-Me
[Pooh Bear incarnate.]
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