Crop Circles?
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:04:52 GMT
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kuryakin@bcsaic.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.070053.22751@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>
>>So, you feel that although a method has been shown to create these circles,
>>the only way that they could have been formed is by some type of advanced
>>aircraft?
>>
>>If they could do it, why not others like them?
>>
>>What? When they confessed, they made a circle for the reporters, just like
>>the others.
>>
>>What better time to do it than when no one will catch you. I can walk around
>>in the dark and fog; can't you?
>>
>>Now tha teveryone knows how to do it, it is not surprising that there are
>>others.
>>
>>I doubt that any aliens or government people would have created such circles.
>>There is no reason for it. Why land in the middle of crops, making a stange
>>formation that will get people suspicious when you could easily land in some
>>other place that would leave no such "evidence." Come on, there is much more
>>convicing evidence than these hozx formations.
>While I'm willing to admit the possibility that all crop circles could
>be caused by human terrestrials (and I think many of them were) are
>you willing to admit the possibility that some of them may not have been
>produced by the stated means? (I'm not saying that you believe that
>some of them WERE created by other means, just that the possibility exists
>that some of them MAY have been caused by means other than humans... :-)
>Will you grant me that much? It's a sucker bet. If you say no that
>means you have a closed mind to the subject.
>If that's the case, keep my net address. If there ever is a big
>revealing, or general 'contact', I want to know how you explain it...
You can easily convince me that the crop circles were created by aliens. Just
show me one example of an alien doing so. Is that so difficult? I cannot
prove a negative. That is, I cannot say that the circles definitely are not
created by aliens. I can however, say that it is extrememly unlikely, based
on what we know about crop circles, and the lack of much information about
aliens. that aliens would have created these circles.
Now, obviously that aliens, if they exist, do not want us to know that they
are here, right? Or else they would just land on the White House lawn like
in that moive (you know the one). So why would an alien that is intelligent
enough to create some means to travel about 4 light years at least land his
craft in the middle of a corn field if he knew that it would leave behind
traces? And besides, we never see and landing gear imprints, do we? All we
see is a circle of crops that look like they have been smashed over by some
guy with a 2X4.
And now, let's assume that the government has some top secret craft that
would create such a circle. As above, the government wouldn't be dumb
enough to leave behind such obvious traces.
Now, we have documented cases in which exact such circles have been created
by hoaxsters. Why the need for some supernatural explanation? The "guys
with plank" theory seems to work perfectly. Until we see more evidence that
indicates that this theory is not sufficient to explain the phenomenon, I
see no use to propose something fantastic.
My mind is closed you say? No, I admit that there is a very very remote
possibility that there are very dumb aliens out there. I suppose it could
be like the nutty professor who concots the GUT but then locks his keys in his
car. I sincerely doubt though that aliens would overlook this footprint.
Show be an alien creating a crop circle, and I will believe that aliens
create them.
keith
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:04:52 GMT
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kuryakin@bcsaic.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.070053.22751@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>
>>So, you feel that although a method has been shown to create these circles,
>>the only way that they could have been formed is by some type of advanced
>>aircraft?
>>
>>If they could do it, why not others like them?
>>
>>What? When they confessed, they made a circle for the reporters, just like
>>the others.
>>
>>What better time to do it than when no one will catch you. I can walk around
>>in the dark and fog; can't you?
>>
>>Now tha teveryone knows how to do it, it is not surprising that there are
>>others.
>>
>>I doubt that any aliens or government people would have created such circles.
>>There is no reason for it. Why land in the middle of crops, making a stange
>>formation that will get people suspicious when you could easily land in some
>>other place that would leave no such "evidence." Come on, there is much more
>>convicing evidence than these hozx formations.
>While I'm willing to admit the possibility that all crop circles could
>be caused by human terrestrials (and I think many of them were) are
>you willing to admit the possibility that some of them may not have been
>produced by the stated means? (I'm not saying that you believe that
>some of them WERE created by other means, just that the possibility exists
>that some of them MAY have been caused by means other than humans... :-)
>Will you grant me that much? It's a sucker bet. If you say no that
>means you have a closed mind to the subject.
>If that's the case, keep my net address. If there ever is a big
>revealing, or general 'contact', I want to know how you explain it...
You can easily convince me that the crop circles were created by aliens. Just
show me one example of an alien doing so. Is that so difficult? I cannot
prove a negative. That is, I cannot say that the circles definitely are not
created by aliens. I can however, say that it is extrememly unlikely, based
on what we know about crop circles, and the lack of much information about
aliens. that aliens would have created these circles.
Now, obviously that aliens, if they exist, do not want us to know that they
are here, right? Or else they would just land on the White House lawn like
in that moive (you know the one). So why would an alien that is intelligent
enough to create some means to travel about 4 light years at least land his
craft in the middle of a corn field if he knew that it would leave behind
traces? And besides, we never see and landing gear imprints, do we? All we
see is a circle of crops that look like they have been smashed over by some
guy with a 2X4.
And now, let's assume that the government has some top secret craft that
would create such a circle. As above, the government wouldn't be dumb
enough to leave behind such obvious traces.
Now, we have documented cases in which exact such circles have been created
by hoaxsters. Why the need for some supernatural explanation? The "guys
with plank" theory seems to work perfectly. Until we see more evidence that
indicates that this theory is not sufficient to explain the phenomenon, I
see no use to propose something fantastic.
My mind is closed you say? No, I admit that there is a very very remote
possibility that there are very dumb aliens out there. I suppose it could
be like the nutty professor who concots the GUT but then locks his keys in his
car. I sincerely doubt though that aliens would overlook this footprint.
Show be an alien creating a crop circle, and I will believe that aliens
create them.
keith
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