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Subject: *** ONLINE SUBGENIUS PAMPHLET ***

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From: casper@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Max Vernon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: mars face?
Message-ID: <wTBg41w164w@inqmind.bison.mb.ca>
Date: 12 Jun 91 21:16:19 GMT
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give me a small break!  If I were some sort of extraterrestrial I don't 
think I'd leave a signal to another race of beings like ours!  Especially if 
I had superior techology.  what would be the *POINT*???  You people are just 
dreaming about what you think would be a great discovery.  

Ok.  Assuming the face is actually a face.  What next?  Do we start carving 
out a similar face in Earth's surface?  I mean really...If a superior race 
actually wanted to contact us, don't you think they'd do it over one of the 
14million or so radio frequencies that we are currently scanning for such 
activity?  Or have none of you thought of that?  I suppose you would have me 
believe this potential race may not know about radio waves?  Or maybe they 
don't communicate in the same way as us?  So WHAT!  If that was the case why 
would they want communication at all.  And why would they want communication 
with a bunch of environment wreckers like ourselves?  After contact we'd 
probably invade their territory and build acid rain factories and the 
like!!!

As for all you people out there who are worried about satanists...watch 
this:

666.    Ha!   Stuff it where the sun don't shine you bunch of mindless 
idiots!

Ok...now I've got that out of my system, I'm ready for replies!

lets get some serious intelligent conversation going here!

Sincerely Casper

E-mail system@themax.bison.mb.ca

E-mail from Casper@inqmind.bison.mb.ca

Max Vernon,  System@themax.bison.mb.ca


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From: john@stat.tamu.edu (John S. Price)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Why would I stick a face on Mars...
Message-ID: <17231@helios.TAMU.EDU>
Date: 13 Jun 91 00:32:58 GMT
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In article <12737@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> lucas@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Kevin Lucas Lord) writes:
>> Unless of course they had time travel. :-)
>
> Why would they have to have time travel?? After all if
>these are (were) if the exist, a different race and civilization.
>The possibilities are endless to what they could know and see. 
> This is not a flame just an observation. 
>

Um... that was a joke.  Note the smiley.  That signifies jest, humor, 
satire.  I was not serious.

Geez, people will flame (oh, excuse me, observe) anything.

>Frodo Baggins  Alpha Comm. Dev. Corp. -  DOMAIN lucas@scicom.alphacdc.com

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From: rodman@sgi.com (Paul K. Rodman)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: INFO: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
Message-ID: <1991Jun12.204209.12580@shinobu.sgi.com>
Date: 12 Jun 91 20:42:09 GMT
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In article <2955@ke4zv.UUCP> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:

>The only manmade structure that can be seen with the naked eye from space,
>the Great Wall of China, has been around for a fair amount of time in 
......

BZZZT...Wrong. TONS of stuff is visible from LEO. Do you think that
Manhattan or LA suddenly become invisible because you are 120 miles
up? Perhaps the Great Wall is the only object visible from the Moon or
somesuch distance. 

ciao,
pkr


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From: ffdkl@acad3.alaska.edu (Dan LaSota (Ant Man))
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Subject: Test
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Just a test
}:)

Dan LaSota
Ant Man!

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From: lasota@lasota.gi.alaska.edu (Dan "Squeegee Brain" Lasota)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: gosh, do I hate MacinToshes! (Elvis in Nenana!)
Message-ID: <1991Jun12.170242.12750@ims.alaska.edu>
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I think anyone who would use a mac is STOOOOPID.
Especially if they use hypercard.

And I saw Elvis doing a Mr. Ed impression in a Safeway in Nenana.

--
Dan "Squeegee Brain" Lasota
/-\-> write to MOI at {root,lasota}@lasota.gi.alaska.edu

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From: fxejo@acad3.alaska.edu (Just Eric)
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Subject: Sean, Hickel and Elvis
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I wanted to mention that I was wrong about Sean P Ryan, hard core Alaskan, 
and Walter Hickel is God.
Elvis helped me write this.

Eric the Wildman...

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From: rodman@sgi.com (Paul K. Rodman)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The MESSAGE of THE FACE(TM) - revealed! , was Re: Faces on Mars
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Date: 13 Jun 91 00:34:33 GMT
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In article <1991Jun12.175240.255@engage.pko.dec.com> stanley@verga.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>Are you so afraid of the unknown that you ignore it?  Real mysteries call
>out to you, but you are so engrossed in your magazine that you ignore them.  

Huh? He's the one going to observe the solar eclipse!! We're the ones
that are sitting on our a*sses.....reading magazings, or books or
netnews...

>Thats not the mark of a true scientist, a scientist is ever curious.  His
>curiosity wins out over his ego every time.

>Maybe you are afraid of what
>you'll find if you allow yourself to look.
>

Oh fooey.I didn't detect any fear on his part.  I _do_ detect some
wishful thinking on yours. Just because you want something to be true
doesn't mean it is..a _true_ scientist understands that. Ever heard of
Occam's razor? Sharpen it up sometime.

>---
>Mary Stanley
> (INTERNET,UUCP) stanley@verga.enet.dec.com
> (UUCP) ...!decwrl!verga.enet!stanley
> (INTERNET) stanley%verga.enet@decwrl.dec.com
>---

pkr
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From: moonhawk@bluemoon.uucp (David Culberson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Why would I stick a face on Mars...
Message-ID: <kVJg41w164w@bluemoon.uucp>
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> >In article <91162.130043A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET>, A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET wr
> >|> The geographical structure on Mars that *looks like a face* is millions
> >|> of years old. Nothing on earth had anything that looked like a face back
> >|> than...


        Wow, were you THERE to see the formation of the face? Did you 
watch the wind erode it away? Or have you been alive for millions of 
years, and somehow visited the face way back when? We know NOTHING about 
the face. For all we know, it could have been fomed the very instant the 
probe took the first picture! Chew on THAT! :-), of course...
 
                                David

Now the world has gone to bed,  MoonHawk@Bluemoon.uucp          ////|all
Darkness won't engulf my head,  moonhawk%bluemoon@nstar.rn.com //// |hail
I can see by infrared,                                     \\\\///__|the
How I hate the night.      Yeah, this IS an annoying SIG.   \\\\/   |miga


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From: wt0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Henry Timmins)
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Subject: Re: Why would I stick a face on Mars...
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Date: 13 Jun 91 04:37:51 GMT
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> Why would they have to have time travel?? After all if
>these are (were) if the exist, a different race and civilization.
>The possibilities are endless to what they could know and see. 
> This is not a flame just an observation. 
>

To say the possibilities are endless is to say nothing.

-Me
[To say nothing is ]

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From: IO00671@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (The Doctor)
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Subject: Re: Santanists
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Date: 13 Jun 91 01:10:25 GMT
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...Just out of curiosity... what was the original posting that started
this conversation off?...

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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Phobos 2-ussr
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 * Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
 * Originally from Don Ecker
 * Originally dated 12 Jun 91  11:50:02

Having attended the World UFO Congress in Tucson, Ar. for UFO
Magazine, I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Dr. Marina
Popovich who was one of the Congress speakers. Dr. Popovich is a
Soviet citizen who was here speaking on her UFO research in the
Soviet Union. Marina Popovich, Ph.D., is a graduate of the
University of Leningrad, graduated from the Military Flight School,
is a retired Colonel from the Soviet Air Force, and set over 100
aviation records of which 90 still stand unbroken. Dr. Popovich's
former husband is General Paval Popovich, the first man to
rendezvous with another space craft in orbit during the Vostok 4
flight in August, 1962.

Interviewing Dr. Popovich in Tucson, I learned of a number of
incidents that had allegedly occurred during the 1989 Soviet Phobos
2 probe, and upon returning to LA I contacted a producer that I
know for the NBC television program "Hard Copy". We ended up doing
a segment with Marina that detailed the admittedly fantastic story
of Phobos 2, ( during a JOINT US-USSR-EUROPEAN space mission ) and
what appeared to be a huge and artificial object between Mars and
her moonlet Phobos, that may have either intentionally or
unintentionally destroyed the probe Phobos 2. I can state that
because even the mission control specialists at Glavkosmos claim
that Phobos 2 was probably hit by something ( meteors and debris
dust was ruled out according to the report in the UK publication
NATURE made by the Soviets ) which caused the probe to become a
"spinner" that later completely disappeared. The Soviets then
released a photo that Phobos 2 took of a very long "ellipse"
reflected off of Mars, but the last several photos of the "object"
were never released by the Soviets. Marina then told me that this
was a high topic of discussion between President George Bush and
Secretary General Mikhil Gorbachev at the Malta Conference. She
received the information from a source of hers in the Soviet
Politburo. Still the photo showing this object remained in "limbo"
with the Soviets refusing to release it, and NASA of course, not
mentioning any of these events.

On June 7th Marina returned to the Los Angeles area to be a
featured speaker for the World Harmony Expo in Long Beach. The Hard
Copy producer, Mr. Dean Vallas, Guy Kirkwood, a former US Air Force
fighter pilot who had a UFO experience on duty and myself, met with
Marina over drinks and discussed her last trip, ongoing events in
the USSR, and then much to the surprise of us all, produced one of
the photos from Phobos 2, showing the "object". According to her,
once back in the USSR, she contacted several friends in Glavkosmos,
and they gave her the print of this "thing". It shows an object off
of the moonlet Phobos, that is approx. 25 kilometers long, approx.
1 1/2 kilometers in dia., and is a cylindrical cigar shaped
"craft?". Not being a photo analyst, I can only give my own
impressions. However, I asked for a copy of the said photo, and
upon receiving it, I intend to hand it over to some contacts at JPL
for analysis.

My feelings on the above? There is no doubt that a large degree of
"high strangeness" is present in the above events. That of course
is my own opinion. However until such time as NASA or JPL release
the information that they may have, this will continue to be an
interesting but apocryphal series of stories. I will state that I
do feel there is a basis of fact in the above series of incidents,
and will continue to investigate via my contacts to see what
additional events can be verified.

Don Ecker

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