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From: mll@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Luce)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: The Strategon Speaks
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Date: 27 Feb 91 20:05:06 GMT
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Greetings to all participants in Operation Earthwatch.
It is my high privilege and great pleasure to bring to you the
profound thoughts of our Imperial Strategon, the Emperor's Hammer.
First of all, the Strategon instructs me to send his compliments
to all of you (well, almost all of you) on the fine work you have been
doing. Your observations and gentle guiding of the human species are
of inestimable value to the Empire.
The Strategon believes that the original Imperial plan of having
the humans defend the Sirius sector from the Varsinnian threat within
one hundred local planetary revolutions is still quite achievable.
We now have irrefutable evidence from the Bureau of Sentient
Simulation that the neural pathways of the defective observer unit
Zontar have been tampered with. It has become clear that certain
neural circuits in the simulated cerebellum of Zontar have been
carefully rearranged to trigger erratic behavior and paranoid delusions.
Attention has thus naturally turned to the transcendent question of
who or what did the tampering.
Five theories have been presented for the consideration of the
Strategon. These are presented and analyzed as follows:
(1) The humans have tampered with the neural pathways of Zontar.
The Strategon rejects this theory completely. At their present
stage of technological development (Level 17), the humans are
far from being able to accomplish such a feat. Even if the
humans somehow became aware of that Zontar was an alien
observer, cultural simulations show that they would be far
more likely to seize him and dissect him. One could hardly
blame the humans for doing so now, of course, but if they
did, they would not discover anything out of the ordinary,
since Zontar represents the highest level of Imperial tech-
nology in biomechanical simulations.
(2) The Synthians have tampered with the neural pathways of Zontar.
The Strategon also rejects this theory. Although the Synthians
have resisted Imperial assimilation for many centons, they are
also technologically incapable of performing the sabotage.
Because of their resistance to assimilation, the Empire has
uplifted the Synthians only to Technological Level 28. More-
over, no Synthians have ever been present on Earth and their
race is presumably not even aware of the existence of humans.
(3) The Neutralists have tampered with the neural pathways of Zontar.
The Strategon considers this theory as being quite possible.
Obviously the Neutralists have both the technological capability
and the motive for sabotage. Their excessive concern over the
rapidity of human technological advancement has led them to the
conclusion that extermination of human life is the only prudent
course for the Empire to take.
(4) The Varsinni have tampered with the neural pathways of Zontar.
The Strategon views this as the most ominous possibility. The
Varsinnians are classified at Technological Level 43, but that
is clearly only a provisional classification. We have never been
able to penetrate Varsinni space, and some of their weaponry is
now beyond Imperial efforts to duplicate or even understand.
You may rest assured, faithful Xanthorians, that the Strategon,
the Sleepless One, is pondering these issues without cease. If
the Varsinni have learned how to modify or sabotage our Observer
units, the potential galactic repercussions and ramifications
are too frightening to contemplate.
(5) The Cendorians have tampered with the neural pathways of Zontar.
The Strategon refuses to accept that this 'theory' is worthy of
consideration. We who hold the Cendorians in the highest esteem
and reverence would be forced to wonder where we have failed
them, if they were truly working at cross-purposes against us.
Therefore it is seen that the Strategon considers the Neutralists
or the Varsinni to be the most likely saboteurs. She cannot, however,
decide between these two theories. Therefore the orders to participants
in Operation Earthwatch is: DO NOTHING. Observe. Watch, and wait, and
perhaps the enemy will reveal themselves.
Above all, the humans must not be allowed to become aware of the
nature of the Varsinnian threat. Our simulations and common sense alike
indicate that many of the humans would despair and lose their desire for
life. Mass suicides would be the likely result.
You may continue to communicate with the Imperial government via
the normal channels. Humans will not be able to intercept our encoded
gravitino transmissions for at least fifty of their own years.
Kendar Cinrath
Adjutant to the Strategon
Servant of the Great Emperor
His Beloved Vithrias VII
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From: matomira@disuns2.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group
Message-ID: <1991Feb27.161702@disuns2.epfl.ch>
Date: 27 Feb 91 15:17:02 GMT
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In article <--~&#W%@warwick.ac.uk>, esury@warwick.ac.uk (Andy Smaller) writes:
> In article <1955@netmbx.UUCP> mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such) writes:
>
> >Perhaps we should split this into two groups,
> >
> > 1. alt.rec.alien.sonja_from_liverpool
> > 2. alt.rec.alien.stupid-stuff
> > 3. alt.rec.alien.not_quite_so_stupid-stupid_stuff
> > 4. alt.rec.alien.not_at_all_stupid_stuff
>
> I think maybe the serious stuff ought to be in the sci.* group, viz:
>
> 1. sci.alien-life: for serious discussion of the possibility of life on
> other planets and whether they will visit/have visited.
>
> 2. alt.alien.visitors: for the humorous stuff about being taken over by
> aliens and such like.
>
> As a relatively new reader I don't know what the group was originally set
> up for - was it intended for serious discussion or not? Either way, I for one
> would be interested in both serious and humorous contributions, and the
> current group only seems to offer the latter. Anyone else have any
> views? Am I
> right? Maybe I should just frog off and leave you alone? I, too, am
> wearing my
> flame-proof suit! :-)
>
No, you are not alone. I am also a new reader and I think that the
so-called
"stupid stuff" is really cooperative fiction writing in a germinal
state. I do
agree on the need of putting some order around here, because it is
really confusing
to see the "serious stuff" intermixed with alien power struggles and
football team
support. If the group was intended to be serious, so be it. But I think
that we
really need a place were we can create this alternate realities. And
this is not so
easy as just creating a new group; I believe that a whole fiction
hierarchy is called
for, to let stories branch when a severe confict among the participants
arises (and also
because there is more than aliens out there (!!), so we can have
alt.fiction.sci-fi,
alt.fiction.fantasy, alt.fiction.sex.bondage, etc.). I don't know the
whole news
hierarchy so maybe there is already a place like this; if not I would
propose a
net-wide discussion about the subject, because I am sure there is a lot
of people
out there who do not know what is happenning here and would be willing
to participate
in something like that as a recreational activity. And that's what we
need. Lots of
people to create fantastic new worlds. I can already hear some system
manager's
footsteps behind me... "I was BANNED in the USENET, I was - BANNED in
the USENET..." :-)
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From: matomira@disuns2.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Call for a discussion or creation of new group
Message-ID: <1991Feb27.180328@disuns2.epfl.ch>
Date: 27 Feb 91 17:03:28 GMT
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Reply-To: matomira@disuns2.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira)
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Sorry. I goofed with the CRs. Here it goes again. I hope that this time
it will be O.K. (if not, I can always post to alt.suicide.holiday):
In article <--~&#W%@warwick.ac.uk>, esury@warwick.ac.uk (Andy Smaller) writes:
> In article <1955@netmbx.UUCP> mds@netmbx.UUCP (Michael Such) writes:
>
> >Perhaps we should split this into two groups,
> >
> > 1. alt.rec.alien.sonja_from_liverpool
> > 2. alt.rec.alien.stupid-stuff
> > 3. alt.rec.alien.not_quite_so_stupid-stupid_stuff
> > 4. alt.rec.alien.not_at_all_stupid_stuff
>
> I think maybe the serious stuff ought to be in the sci.* group, viz:
>
> 1. sci.alien-life: for serious discussion of the possibility of life on
> other planets and whether they will visit/have visited.
>
> 2. alt.alien.visitors: for the humorous stuff about being taken over by
> aliens and such like.
>
> As a relatively new reader I don't know what the group was originally set
> up for - was it intended for serious discussion or not? Either way, I for one
> would be interested in both serious and humorous contributions, and the
> current group only seems to offer the latter. Anyone else have any
> views? Am I
> right? Maybe I should just frog off and leave you alone? I, too, am
> wearing my
> flame-proof suit! :-)
>
No, you are not alone. I am also a new reader and I think that the
so-called "stupid stuff" is really cooperative fiction writing in a
germinal state. I do agree on the need of putting some order around
here, because it is really confusing to see the "serious stuff"
intermixed with alien power struggles and football team support. If the
group was intended to be serious, so be it. But I think that we really
need a place were we can create this alternate realities. And this is
not so easy as just creating a new group; I believe that a whole fiction
hierarchy is called for, to let stories branch when a severe confict
among the participants arises (and also because there is more than
aliens out there (!!), so we can have alt.fiction.sci-fi,
alt.fiction.fantasy, alt.fiction.sex.bondage, etc.). I don't know the
whole news hierarchy so maybe there is already a place like this; if not
I would propose a net-wide discussion about the subject, because I am
sure there is a lot of people out there who do not know what is
happenning here and would be willing to participate in something like
that as a recreational activity. And that's what we need. Lots of people
to create fantastic new worlds. I can already hear some system manager's
footsteps behind me... "I was BANNED in the USENET, I was - BANNED in
the USENET..." :-)
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From: showen@applelink.Apple.com (Don Showen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: For Real
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Date: 28 Feb 91 19:07:25 GMT
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Annie asks
Any ideas on the subject??
Gee, thanks for asking. I tried a couple of times last year to get a
discussion of what the aliens had to say going on sci.skeptic. But all
those big egos were to scared of the idea of extra terrestrial
intelligence communicating with us.
There are numerous communications from both third deminsional physical
entities and fourth deminsional non physical entities. I have been
studuing their communications - teachings since 1975 or so. I worked with
the investigators on the Billie Meier cases. Billie Meier is a one armed
Swiss farmer who had on going contact from 1975 until 1982. He has
hundreds of photos, sound recordings, physical samples, plus detailed
contact notes of his conservations and experiences with them. The alien
lady he had contact with was named Samjese. She had some amazing things to
say, beyond that Billies account of the three day ride they gave him all
over the universe is incredible. The case has had about six books and four
video tapes published covering it. I have permission from the publishers
to openly quote from some of the books, which I have scanned into my computer. So
if you are for real wanting to discuss this stuff, then shoot, what would
you like to know? I will quote freely from their communication. Plus I
have lots of other goodies if there is any serious interest. Don
Don Showen
Work 408-974-9544
Home 408-865-1768
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From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Humor as a defence
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Date: 28 Feb 91 19:37:06 GMT
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In article <1991Feb26.180046.15358@pmafire.inel.gov>, jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later) writes:
> that my attidude regarding this subject has not always been the same. Prior
> to reading Mr. Striebers books, I would have had "less than an optimistic
> attitude". Before you start slapping your knee too hard, expend a liitle
> of that energy in reading "Communion", "Transformation" and "Majestic".
> They are NOT easily read books! IF you can read them objectively, and with
> an open mind, you will be left with a great deal of shock and fear.
If you read Night Church or The Hunger with an open mind, then you will
also be left with a great deal of shock and fear. I fail to see what the
intensity of Mr. Streiber's prose style has to do with whether the
*aliens* are really sticking super-duper ball bearings inside people's
spinal columns. You might as well use Philip K. Dick as an argument for
the existence of orbital mind control lasers.
++Loren
p.s. I read Majestic (Communion and Transformation are on my to-be-read
list) and found it amusing, but hardly mind blowing.
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From: miller@ria.ccs.uwo.ca (J G Miller)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Unsolved Mysteries
Summary: another crashed UFO?
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Date: 1 Mar 91 03:59:40 GMT
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Did anybody see Unsolved Mysteries last night (Wednesday)?
They had a story on about an object crashing in
rural Pennsylvania and the military (Air Force)
coming in, sealing off the area, and taking away
a cone shaped object.
Either it was a US projectile, a Soviet projectile,
or a UFO ....
The official report said it was a meteorite.
Greg Miller
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From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Serious Thoughts about Aliens
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Date: 27 Feb 91 08:21:39 GMT
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Summary:
Expires:
Sender:
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If I can get 29 others to join me I can get a bulk discount on the book
"How To Serve Humans"
published by the Sirius Book Company of Wolves Inc. ( A 30 percent
discount.) It is of course one of the best recipe books available.
--
Geoff. Lane. Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.cms
UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL
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From: rbr@bonnie.ATT.COM (4197,ATTT)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Unsolved Mysteries
Message-ID: <1991Mar1.145830.27122@cbnewsl.att.com>
Date: 1 Mar 91 14:58:30 GMT
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In article <2406@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> J G Miller <miller@ria.ccs.uwo.CA> writes:
>Did anybody see Unsolved Mysteries last night (Wednesday)?
Yep.
>
>They had a story on about an object crashing in
>rural Pennsylvania and the military (Air Force)
>coming in, sealing off the area, and taking away
>a cone shaped object.
>
>Either it was a US projectile, a Soviet projectile,
>or a UFO ....
>
>The official report said it was a meteorite.
>
>Greg Miller
>-----------
I think it was a US spy satelite that came down a bit early. The first
spie in the sky satelites used conventional hi-rez cameras with film.
Could also have been a later spy satelite that failed to go into orbit.
Some spy satelites use a plutonium power source which would account for
the "moon suits". (got this from watching NOVA if big brother is
reading).
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From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Humor as a defence
Message-ID: <1991Mar01.165708.20048@convex.com>
Date: 1 Mar 91 16:57:08 GMT
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In article <1991Feb28.143706.1@wharton.upenn.edu> millerl@wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller) writes:
>If you read Night Church or The Hunger with an open mind, then you will
>also be left with a great deal of shock and fear. I fail to see what the
>intensity of Mr. Streiber's prose style has to do with whether the
>*aliens* are really sticking super-duper ball bearings inside people's
>spinal columns. You might as well use Philip K. Dick as an argument for
>the existence of orbital mind control lasers.
This is self-justifying rhetoric. I agree that Striebner writes stuff that
is silly. This does not invalidate the observations of thousands of normal
impartial observers.
Whether "*aliens* are really sticking super-duper ball bearings inside
people's spinal columns" is not really the question in my mind.
Many impressionable poeple are scared to death when they read Striebner's
books. Oh well, some people enjoy being scared by the latest paranoid
conspiracy theories. I hear them call up talk shows and go on about the
hocus pocus ramblings from this or that author who just wants his moment in
the spot light.
However, when you actually examine some of the more credible evidence you will
be surprised, I think. You will find it difficult to explain these phenomena
in terms of any current scientific theory I am aware of. This does not
necessarilly mean that we are being visited by extraterrestrials. But I am
convinced that something out of the ordinary has been going on.
Read Dimensions by Jacques Vallee for a very even-handed discussion of this
subject (even-handed in that evidence is presented without drawing any
conclusions as to what it means).
Cheers,
--
_.
--Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own.
Warren v\ *| ----------------------------------------------
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From: nichols@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: For Real
Message-ID: <1991Mar1.111034.3578@ducvax.auburn.edu>
Date: 1 Mar 91 17:10:34 GMT
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In article <12330@goofy.Apple.COM>, showen@applelink.Apple.com
(Don Showen) writes:
> There are numerous communications from both third deminsional physical
> entities and fourth deminsional non physical entities.
What exactly are third dimensional physicsal and fourth dimensional
non-physical entities. Please define what you mean by third dimensional
anything. How so?
> studuing their communications - teachings since 1975 or so. I worked with
> the investigators on the Billie Meier cases. Billie Meier is a one armed
> Swiss farmer who had on going contact from 1975 until 1982. He has
> hundreds of photos, sound recordings, physical samples, plus detailed
> contact notes of his conservations and experiences with them. The alien
> lady he had contact with was named Samjese. She had some amazing things to
> say, beyond that Billies account of the three day ride they gave him all
> over the universe is incredible. The case has had about six books and four
> video tapes published covering it. I have permission from the publishers
> to openly quote from some of the books, which I have scanned into my computer. So
> if you are for real wanting to discuss this stuff, then shoot, what would
> you like to know? I will quote freely from their communication. Plus I
> have lots of other goodies if there is any serious interest. Don
I would be interested in seeing what you have to say, but I don't know
where to start asking questions.
>
> Don Showen
> Work 408-974-9544
> Home 408-865-1768
Ted Nichols
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