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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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 > from time to time.  The special thing about the one due in 1992 is that
 > it's the first one detected before it got anywhere near us.  Normally we
 > only see them as they're going by or after they've passed.

Can you tell me more about this one in 1992?  Is that the same one that had a
near-miss with us last year?

Mike

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From: ebraeden@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric W Braeden)
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Subject: Specific Pyramid Power book wanted
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I'm a collector of pyramid power books and am having
trouble finding a particular one. The author was G. Patrick
Flanagan and the name of the book was Beyond Pyramid Power.
It was published by De Vross in Santa Monica, California some
time between 1973 and 1975. As far as I know, it only came out
in paperback and I think the cover was red or orange stripes.
This was a follow-up to that author's original book, Pyramid
Power. If one of you fine people out there has a copy of
Beyond Pyramid Power in reasonably good shape and is willing
to sell it, e-mail me, I'll pay any *reasonable* amount. Also,
does anyone know whatever happened to Flanagan?

ebraeden@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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I was in Ithaca this weekend and I went to the hologram store 3D Light.  There
was a hologram of a woman which tore its face off to reveal a Grey underneath
it as you walked by it.  They're HERE!  They've even got 'em on film!  IN
3-D no less...  Golly...

Scott
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Subject: Re: Dave and Doug's crop circle hoax
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In-Reply-To: forda@gtephx.UUCP's message of 11 Sep 91 20: 17:17 GMT

In article <1991Sep11.201717.25579@gtephx.UUCP> forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford) writes:


   Did ever occur to _any_ of you skeptics that D&D claimed to
   have put up a hoax because they just can't accept any other
   explanation? NOT that I believe, or ever did believe, that
   the circles were evidence of anything.

   Its just that a lot of you have been blasting "psi believers"
   because "we believe what we want to believe." 
   I am just wondering if any skeptics have given any thought
   to the possibility that the hoax is a hoax?

----

Actually, it was the first thing that occured to me before I read
the article.  However:

(1) They were observed making one crop "circle" (although, like most of
     these features in the crops, it wasn't a simple circle - is there a
     better word?).
(2) Production of this circle was sufficiently fast to allow for it
     to have been easily produced in one evening by a very small number
     of people (2).
(3) This circle clearly fooled someone known as a leading expert on
     the circles.

There are several explanations for the formation of these features:
(1) hoax, i.e. humans did it
(2) natural/meteorological - i.e. humans didn't do it but there's no need
      to go beyond established science to explain them
      (although we will allow that perhaps the natural explanation may turn
       out to be something theoreticians previously thought impossible)
(3) UFO or other explanation - not of this earth or science could
    never explain this one (perhaps this should be 2 sepearate classes,
     UFOS/extraterrestrials that if we only understood as much as they did
     we'ld view it as a natural phenomenon and PSI explanations)

Of these 3 explanations:

   (1) has been shown to be a valid explanation in one case.  This illustrates
       that it is possible to fool the experts.

   (2) I have heard mostly, I believe, anecdotal evidence that some
         weather/winds may produce circular patches in crops.  Clearly,
a simple meteoroligical explanation can not explain the extremely
complex patterns observed.  Therefore, for the bulk of these
patterns, explanation (1) is preffered over explanation (2).
        A more complex explanation is necessesary plus either direct
        observation of a patter forming not via (1) or proof that a pattern
could not have been formed via (1) [and, given that experts stated
that the one case of a hoax could not have been a hoax, it will
be more difficult to prove that other patterns could not be hoaxed].

   (3) In order for this to be taken seriously at all, (1) some UFOS or
some such weirdness not identified as natural are observed forming
a pattern, or (2) similar to what I said above, proof that a
pattern could not have been formed by humans.

Clearly, the hoax hypothesis is by far the leading hypothesis to explain
these crop patterns.  (2) is a distant second, but only for the very simple
patters and (3) is extremely unlikely.

This ranking of explanations may change but it is clearly the current
ranking.

Bob Garwood, National Radio Astronomy Observatory
bgarwood@nrao.edu
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Subject: Re: Dave and Doug's crop circle hoax
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In article <1991Sep11.201717.25579@gtephx.UUCP> forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford) writes:

>Now why would anyone want to get famous as the guys who fooled
>the world?!?!?!?

They are claiming the 30,000 pound reward for showing how the crop
circles are made.
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Subject: Re: Circle Hoaxers
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In article <1991Sep12.182014.27084@watdragon.waterloo.edu>, jsinclair@rose.waterloo.edu (Jack Sinclair) writes:

> My roommate mentioned to me last night that the fellows were on a national
> radio program up here in Canada.  Reportedly, the vast number of circles
> were explained by them as this: one (or both) of the men are artists, and
> a few years back, they were at a party, mostly artist types... anyways,
> a few beers, and a few laughs later, they shared their secret with some
> of those at the party.  They postulated that others implemented their
> ideas on an independent basis, hence all the world-wide circle sightings.
> Plausible?  It's second hand info to me.

     If something does not fit in your belief system, you will find a plausible
explanation for it's existance, whether it be two hoaxers that had to much beer
or if that doesn't adequately explain it, a few dozen that attended a party, or
if that still doesn't cut it, a few hundred who were all friends of the folks
that attended the party where the hoaxers secret was shared.

     I don't know who or what created all of the circles.  There is the
possibility that they weren't all created by the same phenomena, some might
be created by people, some by vortexes, some by aliens who enjoy watching
earth people argue on computer nets over the origination of crop circles.

     I've got to figure, if it >IS< aliens, then sooner or later things will
come to a head and it will be obvious.  If it's hoaxers, they'll get bored
and it will die out.  In either event, history will play itself out and I am
content to sit and wait rather than trying to rationalize it to death with
zero real information.
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>>The Pleiadians are a group of entities from our future being channeled by
>>Barbra Marciniak.  They have been coming through for over three years and
>>are mainly on cassette tapes. A friend of mine went to the trouble of
>>transcribing two evening worth of tapes.  The transcripts present an
>>entirely new concept of god(s) and of humans.  I have found them to be
>>inspiring and uplifting. (Thought provoking:-)) to say the least. For me
>>they have given answers to many, many areas I could not find answers before.
>>I offered to send them email to folks about four months ago and 35 net
>>folks requested them.  So now that we have our new fall crop of net folks
>>I am again making the offer. They consist of six 30k files and a tape list.
>>I highly recommend that people who are religious do not ask for them as they
>>do not speak favorably towards religion. The Pleiadians say they are here
>>to inspire us to the highest degree possible so we will wake up and start
>>creating our own reality by doing this we will change our future and thereby
>>change their reality.

In answer to my post above I received the following questions email that I
thought I would post my answers to.

 >1. What time period in our future are they from?

They say they come from what we would call our future.  They say some are from
1 million years,  some from 500,000 years, some from a few hundred years in
what we would call our future.  Now I interpret that to mean maybe we as
humans do not have a complete perspective on time. I think they could actually
be a aspect of ourselves that is out of time ie. not in time as we think of it
in the 3D reality we live in.

>2. Do they exist now in our current time? By this I mean, are they created in
the future and travel backwards or could we find some of their ancestors on
Earth today?


One metaphysical theory is that all time is simultaneous. They say there are
earth humans who continually reincarnate on this planet and that there is the
family of light who have come from the future to change this planet. The
family of light has a holographically inserted past so they believe they have
a past. I think that is why some like myself feel a real connection to the
Pleiadians, while others think it is a bunch of bull.  They often admit they
are here to trick us, just as they have teachers who trick them.  By trick I
think they mean talk us out of our limiting beliefs about reality.  For
instance the religious concept of god is a good example.  They say god(s) are
much like going into a restaurant and ordering from a menu.  That there are
numerous quote gods. And unfortunately they are not all to be trusted.  They
use the concept of first cause and say that everything is derived or a spark
from first cause even the gods. Now the problem is there are many who have
forgotten their connection to first cause, even gods.  And from my observation
the primary purpose of religion is to convince individuals to forget their
connection and empowerment from first cause and turn it over to an entity
(god).

>3. What are they ? eg. humans, apes or replites after x years of evolution.

This brings up the idea that if it is not physical it does not exist, ie no
body, no credibility. If there is one thing I would like to get across to
people. It is that entities do exist in the non physical as energy.  And they
can be intelligent.  In fact we each have non physical aspects of ourselves.
One aspect survives death and reincarnates. I have observed this by assisting
individuals to remember their past lives and as importantly to remember the
time after a body died between lives. In all of the over 500 people I have
worked with that remembered a past life they also related information that was
between lives, when they were not in a body.  So to me it makes a lot of since
that intelligent entities can exist who are not currently in a body. As you
will see from the transcript we are not evolved, we as humans were created
fully evolved and some entities(gods) scrambled our DNA so we are actually
using only 1/6 of our DNA the other 5/6 is idle. Hence the observation that we
only use 1/10 of our brain. I feel that the exciting thing about the Pleiadian
teachings is that we can fully activate our brain (DNA) and that we can do it
in this lifetime.  I think that the reason that our brain is 90% water is that
it is mainly electromagnetic (water holds a charge).  The electromagnetic part
holds a template of what we think reality is. Being electrical is is possible
to change it fairly easily if we choose to do so.  But that does involve
examining some of our most sacred beliefs. And unfortunately most people would
rather die than change their beliefs. Included in the concept of sacred
beliefs is facts, as I have said in a past posting facts are nothing but
petrified beliefs.

>4. Why do they want us to change the present ? Is it to their benefit or
ours?

Both! By changing our present they mean, taking back our power, our
sovereignty, our connection to and empowerment from first cause.  Now that is
tremendously exciting. Because what they are saying is that we are each
empowered by the same first cause energy that everything else is empowered by.
Meaning we do and can create any reality we want to with exactly the same
energy and power first cause uses in creating all that is.  We are literally
gods in bodies, nothing less, except what we believe ourselves down to be.  So
the Pleiadians say there is a probable future that has tyranny in it.  Which
noticing our current reality is not to hard to believe. I have noticed quite a
bit of tyranny currently on this planet. :-) (To say the least). So it makes
sense that it is going to continue into the future unless something is done
about it. The truly exciting thing is that all each of us need to do is wake
up to who we are, stop giving our power away and start creating the reality we
want as sovereign entities.  An affirmation or tip that the Pleiadians give is
to repeat the following In joy, saftey, harmony and sexuality I step into the
unknown.

Don Showen

PS I have had at least 12 requests for the transcripts bounce.  Now I am not
sure whether it is an email problem, my lack of understanding of email, or
cranks sending me bad addresses. So if you have not received the transcripts
try again. From now on before sending the seven files that may bounce back, I
will send a confirmation email that you will have to acknowledge before I send
the seven files. DS
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In article <w60081w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, gstimp@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Gary Stimpson) writes...
>eherrera@zinfandel.metaphor.com (Eric Herrera) scribbles:
>

It *is* normal to have the experience of waking in the middle of the night
and being paralyzed for a short period of time.  This has happened to me
once.  My situation was that something was happening in a dream that I didn't
like, so I pulled myself out of the dream and woke myself up only to find that
I could not move or speak, but was fully awake!  Very strange sensation!
Turns out that, if a person wakes up during a certain segment of the sleep
cycle, their bodies are still in this paralyzed state which is a normal
occurrence during very deep sleep.  It's a safety mechanism of sorts during
sleep, but the conscious mind has a hard time dealing with it because it is
rare to be conscious/awake during it.  If you *do* wake up in that state, the
body takes a little time to kick out of it.

Carole
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I agree with the Chuckmeister when he says that the hoaxsters in UK
who claim to be behind the crop circles are probably hoaxing.

If they claim to be hoaxsters, why should anyone believe them?

Also, there was a circle found not long ago in Kissena Park,
which is a run-down lot in Flushing, Queens.

Queens is a borough of NYC. I bet those two clowns never heard of
Flushing. These circles have been spotted on many continents.

By the way, this posting itself is a hoax.
(just kidding...)


Rob Walters
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Subject: VAN HALEN SONG: ABOUT ALIENS?
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I asked this a couple of days back, but got no reply. I hope no one minds that
I ask it again:

Does anyone know if the song "Love Comes Walking In" is a about aliens? I don't
know if that is the real name of the song, but that is the most often repeated
phrase. Anyway, I was listening to the words and a lot of the song seems to
deal with aliens.

What does Sammy Hagar know? Is Sammy Hagar a GREY with hair?


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From: cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister)
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Subject: Re: Wheat Circles and Confessors
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ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET hoaxes with:


>I agree with the Chuckmeister when he says that the hoaxsters in UK
>who claim to be behind the crop circles are probably hoaxing.

>If they claim to be hoaxsters, why should anyone believe them?

>Also, there was a circle found not long ago in Kissena Park,
>which is a run-down lot in Flushing, Queens.

>Queens is a borough of NYC. I bet those two clowns never heard of
>Flushing. These circles have been spotted on many continents.

>By the way, this posting itself is a hoax.
>(just kidding...)

     Hmmm circles in a park..... hmmm is it just grass or something?

     I remember a previous post.. why is all these things happening in
     JUST wheat fields?? Why not corn, soybean, milo, beans, etc??
   

     More unmarked black helicopters around the other night. Sheeez.

The CHCKMEISTER

>Rob Walters
>Adventure Editor
>Spheric (CUNY Science Newspaper)
>695 Park Ave.
>New York, NY 10021
>(212) 772-4279

>"A carrot is as close as a rabbit gets to a diamond"
>                                -Don Van Vliet
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