3D on a Budget Msg Brd Archive
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Archive of messages posted in the Macintosh Graphic Arts Forum's 3D SIG's 3D On a Budget message board.
All Posts prior to 5/97
5/10/97 1:55:53 PM
3D Interest Group /3D On A Budget
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Subj: Performa 550 blues
Date: 5/15/96 3:58:18 AM
From: GenrlVeers
Posted on: America Online
I have the performa 550 blues. Yeah I gottem real baaaaaddddddd........
Hows that for sonwriting?
But anyhaow does any body have any tips for increasing the efficeancy of my 3d on my FPU performa 550 (33Mhz, 030). I mean besides telling me to get a Powermac
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Subj: Re:Performa 550 blues
Date: 5/15/96 5:47:59 AM
From: Kandori
Posted on: America Online
You could probably get a Powerpro card 601/100mhz (not sure if it'll work there... it works great in my Q800), but it costs $1200. You might as well get a Powermac or a clonemac--for under a $1000! I still remember paying $2800 for my Centris 650 cpu :'-O
Kandori
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Subj: Re:Performa 550 blues
Date: 5/15/96 11:44:36 AM
From: NthMan
Posted on: America Online
HI
Rumor is that Apple will drop prices AGAIN!!!
SO a 7200 now is about $899, that's still faster than my 6100 and uses PCI, so you just get the box and and accelerator board and you are ready to fly.
Now if the price wiill drop more then there is no excuse to just use that Performa as home machine and get a low end PPC to do your 3d
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Subj: Re:Performa 550 blues
Date: 5/15/96 11:49:12 AM
From: MediaGuy98
Posted on: America Online
apple will drop prices...
when the 8550 and 9550 come out, too...
can't wait for the 180 MHz processor... or was it 190 Mhz...
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Subj: Re:Performa 550 blues
Date: 5/15/96 6:47:07 PM
From: GenrlVeers
Posted on: America Online
Or maybe I'll wait for PPCP Orient Express. 166Mhz 604e....1.2Gb Hd. Solaris/AIX/WinNT/OS/2/Netware compatability. <$2700. Ahhhh, sounds so sweet...
Jamie<-------------Who can't wait till november
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Subj: Re:Performa 550 blues
Date: 5/15/96 8:39:52 PM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
>>>apple will drop prices...
when the 8550 and 9550 come out, too...
can't wait for the 180 MHz processor... or was it 190 Mhz...<<<
I hear you, I wonder what Mac products will be dropped. Who knows, you might just get it all in one box.
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Subj: Perking up the Performa
Date: 5/23/96 11:04:05 AM
From: VIDItek
Posted on: America Online
One thing that will kill a 3d application on any machine is lack of memory. With the prices for ram plummetting these days, it might be a good time to drop in a 16 MB simm (or larger if you can afford it).
That could give you a significant improvement.
Derek W.
Vidi Engineering
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Subj: Re:Perking up the Performa
Date: 5/23/96 4:52:34 PM
From: GenrlVeers
Posted on: America Online
Unfortunatly I have only 2 RAM slots-One with a 4Mb SIMM soddered in. The other in which I put an 8 meg, which I would need to chuck to get a 16mb....and then theres my HD space problems.....Well I'm getting either a Zip or an EZ 135....160Mb just isn't enough for graphics....
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Subj: RAM charger
Date: 5/23/96 4:54:20 PM
From: GenrlVeers
Posted on: America Online
Will this help me very much, I hear it drastically increases RAM efficancy....
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Subj: Re:Perking up the Performa
Date: 5/23/96 10:11:33 PM
From: Sweaz
Posted on: America Online
if you're planning on using the Zip or EZ as an auxiliary HD, you should look closely at their comparative performance.
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Subj: Serial Number
Date: 6/2/96 7:14:25 AM
From: Smyker81
Posted on: America Online
Any of you know the Serial number for Truespace2.
I lost my disks after the installation. Thanks
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Subj: Re:Serial Number
Date: 6/2/96 8:20:41 AM
From: Graham 921
Posted on: America Online
>>Any of you know the Serial number for Truespace2.
I lost my disks after the installation. Thanks<<
Yeah I bet
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Subj: Re:Serial Number
Date: 6/2/96 10:30:42 AM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
>>>Any of you know the Serial number for Truespace2.
I lost my disks after the installation.<<<
Hmmm, I just love this game. OK, it's time to come up with a 101 reasons why "Smyker81" is a moron.
I would say his mother raised him wrong. ;-)
Piracy really bites, we don't need that element in our forums.
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Subj: Re:Serial Number
Date: 6/2/96 12:30:20 PM
From: CD3D
Posted on: America Online
>>>Hmmm, I just love this game. OK, it's time to come up with a 101 reasons why "Smyker81" is a moron.<<<
I say it's primarily genetics. Bad seed.
Clyde
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Subj: Re:Serial Number
Date: 6/2/96 1:59:33 PM
From: Sweaz
Posted on: America Online
I've always believed in giving one the benefit of the doubt. For example, it's possible that Smyker81 actually IS an idiot (or moron) and actually DID discard his disks thinking, perhaps, all the info on them had been emptied out onto his hard drive. And, too, that he actually DIDN'T know that the serial number had significance other than to keep things straight at Truespace's marketing division.
Isn't this better...kinder...than thinking him an unimaginative thief with so much contempt for all of us that he thought we would fall for such a feeble premise?
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Subj: Re:Serial Number
Date: 6/2/96 3:40:13 PM
From: JaseHill
Posted on: America Online
>>>>Any of you know the Serial number for Truespace2.
I lost my disks after the installation. Thanks<<<<
I'm not as "understanding" as Sweaz. Stuff like this burns me. SO, Smyker81, (just what are you smoking, as if I had to guess) maybe you should try keyword "lamer". Hey, I've got an idea, call up Truespace and have them give you your serial number...unless of course you've forgot or threw away your name, address, phone number also. In any case, GET THE #!@(%^!& out of here and never show your face again!!!!!!!!!!!
-Jason
P.S. Feel free to e-mail me back, I'd love to crunch you!
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Subj: Re:Serial Number
Date: 6/2/96 5:06:27 PM
From: GenrlVeers
Posted on: America Online
Look dude, I could care less that your a software pirate, albiet a slightly stupid one, just dont post your messages in every folder, okay?
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Subj: Pixel Putty?
Date: 6/2/96 6:57:53 PM
From: Aiki1
Posted on: America Online
Could someone tell me about this program or point me in the right direction? Features etc. Thanks.
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Subj: Re:Pixel Putty?
Date: 6/2/96 8:50:33 PM
From: Graham 921
Posted on: America Online
>>>>Any of you know the Serial number for Truespace2. I lost my disks after the installation. Thanks<<<<
Yes I do its 1-800-pc-zone.
In case you haven't figured it out. Purchase the software. Don't come here on line an whine that you lost it when you didn't purchase it.
I have purchased thousands of $$ of software. I DON'T LOOSE SERIAL #s, IT'S LIKE MONEY.
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Subj: Re:Pixel Putty?
Date: 6/2/96 11:21:31 PM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
>>>I say it's primarily genetics. Bad seed.<<<
Hehe, love it Clyde!!
>>>I have purchased thousands of $$ of software. I DON'T LOOSE SERIAL #s, IT'S LIKE MONEY.<<<
I couldn't agree with you more Graham. Imagine calling Electric Image and saying, "Duh, I lost my Dongle". Well? Did you check by your A%#? Thats where your brain is. . . ;-)
>>>I've always believed in giving one the benefit of the doubt.<<<
Sweaz, I respect your compassion, but the man did in fact state not to E-Mail him with the #. This is an obvious scam and it hurts the integrity of our Forums. This is an insult to our intelligence, whatever the shoe size may be. ;-) hehehe
I will say that in the past I sampled various Software packages, 7 years or so ago, but I will also say that if I liked them I bought them. I'm materialistic in the sense that I like to have the CDs and the documentation and the cool looking boxes in my library. I also like the fact that I can call up the company if I have a question or an idea. This was what I worked hard for. It's my business and it's selfworth. We work hard and pay for all the cool toys we use. We also support our cause by keeping the research money and incentive flowing. Some jokers feel that they shouldn't have to pay the companies so much money. Well, if you don't want to pay or if you feel the company doesn't deserve so much money, then the answer is simple. Go and make your own 3D App and let us continue to conduct a clean style of business on our end.
We are still in the overall development phase. The industry is still learning what to do with us. We may all be well aware of whats going on in our relm, but the industry still does not. All it takes is one really bad apple or a scam to taint the whole lot of us. I've already heard the, "I bet you're a good Hacker", line way too much these past few years. The way I look at it,,, if someone is making us look bad, then we might start to lose work. If I lost work because of one little scumbags attempts, I'd hunt the little Bast#@d down and,,, you guys can fill in the blanks. This is how it all starts. I'm proud to see so many people running a clean act around here.
A big thought for y'all,
Erik D.
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Subj: Re:Pixel Putty?
Date: 6/3/96 5:32:17 AM
From: EagleMH
Posted on: America Online
If you lost the disk with the serial number how did you install it in the first place?
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Subj: Re:Serial Number
Date: 6/3/96 9:11:07 AM
From: PixelsSD
Posted on: America Online
Anyone got an extra ElectricImage 2.7 dongle? I threw mine out after I got it. I thought it was a new-fangled mouse.
-Andrew
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Subj: Re:Serial Number
Date: 6/3/96 9:40:25 AM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
>>>Anyone got an extra ElectricImage 2.7 dongle? I threw mine out after I got it. I thought it was a new-fangled mouse.<<<
ROTF! Hehehe
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Subj: Re:Serial Number
Date: 6/3/96 10:13:36 AM
From: Vanzo
Posted on: America Online
>>Any of you know the Serial number for Truespace2.
I lost my disks after the installation. Thanks<<
I don't think that this is what "3D On A Budget" means...
;)
-SJV
P.S. The funny thing about these posts are: If Smyker81 really respected software licensing, he/she wouldn't bother posting this request online. Therefore, there is little possiblity that the above claim is legitimate. Such a post is not only self-deprecating in the moral sense, but is self-convicting in the legal sense.
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Subj: Re:Serial Number
Date: 6/3/96 2:24:50 PM
From: Kth Lango
Posted on: America Online
I just saw this little gem today in the truespace folder:
>>> I lost my disks for Truespace2. I called the company and they said that I have to pay something like 70 dollars. I really need it desparately. Do any of you know the serial number??
ps: Don't E-mail me <<<
Seems our little toad friend is even stupider than he first appeared. Sheesh. Is this person not the poster child for abortion rights? It's a shame to think that perfectly good oxygen is wasted on him/her.
Keith
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Subj: Re:Serial Number
Date: 6/3/96 5:59:11 PM
From: Graham 921
Posted on: America Online
You know I lost my serial number to SoftImage, so I called and talked to Bill Gates. Bill was soo sorry to hear this he gave me Danielle Langelos (you know they guy who invented softimage). Anyhow Danielle felt soo bad that he is having is shipped same day FedEx. On top of that there is a case of Moose Head coming with it.
Oh gotta run, FedEx is at the door.
Graham
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Subj: Pixel Pirate
Date: 6/3/96 6:07:49 PM
From: Graham 921
Posted on: America Online
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Subj: Re:Low Budget Film Project
Date: 96-06-03 22:05:23 EDT
From: Graham 921
I gotta tell you folks, this forum is really crawling with idiots. I have seen
1. a guy who wants people to work for free
2. a putz who suppposidly lost his serial # to TrueSpace
I got to thinking, could it be that these two emails are from the same person, it make perfect sense. Here is the scenario (yeah my spelling is lacking).
This guy wants you to use TrueSpace while working for free. He is going to hand out pirate versions of the software, however he lost his serial number.
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Subj: Re:Pixel Pirate
Date: 6/3/96 9:11:36 PM
From: Kth Lango
Posted on: America Online
>> I got to thinking, could it be that these two emails are from the same person, it make perfect sense. <<
Unfortunately, I believe it is little more than wishful thinking. Yes, Virginia, there really ARE that many idiots out there.
Keith
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Subj: Re:Pixel Pirate
Date: 6/4/96 4:57:24 AM
From: JDices711
Posted on: America Online
LOL
...enjoying all posts.
God help the next dumb SOB who crosses this SIG...
Joe
3D Interest Group /3D On A Budget
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Subj: Where's the good shareware?
Date: 6/22/96 4:18:02 PM
From: DJDowns
Posted on: America Online
Okay. Where can I find a decent freeware or shareware:
3D modeler
3D renderer
3D texture mapper
etc?
I am NOT a professional or semi-professional artist, just a hobbyist interested in playing around with these types of programs.
Please respond directly to email.
Thanks!
DJDowns
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Subj: cheap cheap
Date: 6/22/96 7:02:54 PM
From: BDarcy444
Posted on: America Online
Selling software to make room for EI Broadcast
Infini-D 3.2 $400
QtVR $400 (with mpw pro)
Movie flo 2.0 $400 (comes on cdrom with dongle)
Each software comes complete with original documentation.
I think those are pretty good prices,what do you think?
Email : Bdarcy444@aol
phone (212)779-3245 as for brad
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Subj: Re:cheap cheap
Date: 6/23/96 8:11:55 AM
From: STILR
Posted on: America Online
I'm not sure about the QTVR or Movie flo but Specular is offering Infini-D to current Specular Users (Collage, TextureScape, Logomotion) for $349 and I think the competative upgrade is the same.
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Subj: Re:cheap cheap cheaper
Date: 6/23/96 7:23:12 PM
From: BDarcy444
Posted on: America Online
Thank you, i stand corrected
Infini-D $300
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Subj: Check Classifieds
Date: 7/10/96 5:32:46 AM
From: Isoldi777
Posted on: America Online
Check Classifieds for less than street priced stuff.
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Subj: 3D software for sale
Date: 7/29/96 9:38:21 PM
From: M8BIUS
Posted on: America Online
For Sale
Strata Studio Pro Blitz 1.75+ $500
Macromedia Extreme 3D $175
Both come with all manuals and orginial disks. Email m8bius@aol.com for more information.
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Subj: Re:3D software for sale
Date: 7/30/96 7:18:46 PM
From: Isoldi777
Posted on: America Online
Please post For sale items only in the classified section. Thanks.
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Subj: Extreme 3D for sale
Date: 8/4/96 2:14:11 AM
From: ArtVid
Posted on: America Online
Extreme 3D for sale $160... Latest version, manuals,
and on CD with extras 8/3/96
contact artvid@aol.com
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Subj: 3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/23/96 5:43:25 PM
From: Shar34
Posted on: America Online
So, I'm thinking about buying a 3D program (mostly to do Architecture stuff but also for fun) and I find this folder labeled "3D on a budget. " I figured there would be the place to find some advice. Here' s my choices so far, unless anybody else has better ideas:
Strata Vision 3D 4.0 for about $200
Ray Dream Studio (w/ Poser) for about $300
(Maybe) Specular Infini-D for about $420
So what are the pros and cons? I read the company's promos, but I'd like to hear real peoples opinions. Which ones are best for rendering? Do some support more add-ons than others. etc. I'm relativly ignorant of most of this stuff as I am currently and Autocad Slave. Any input of the intelligent sort would be appreciated. I have a Power Mac 6100 with 24 megs ram and a too small hard drive, that needs to be replaced (or maybe just get a zip drive, idunno). Anyway thanks.
Sharon
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/24/96 8:43:49 PM
From: Spence 3D
Posted on: America Online
All three of the forementioned programs are good for starters and can produce decent work. Of the three, Strata has the best and fastest renderer, although the new Infini-D 3.5 has a reportedly increased rendering speed comperable to Strata's. Infini-d is renown for its ease of use, stability, and customer support. I think Strata is a more sophisticated program, but it hasn't been updated for a long time, so some of its features and implementations may be outdated. Infini-d has some unique features, but some aggravating oversights in functionality. No one program will fulfill all your needs unless you pay top dollar, and even then the most expensive are sometimes geared toward a single purpose ( Electric Image...animation). You might look into Martin Hash's Animation. It has an impressive list of sophisticated features for both modeling and animation that outclasses all of the entry-level mac programs, and is especially adept at character animation. It is only 200.00 , but the documentation is sparse, and so-so stability. Another good modeling program for the money is Amapi. Being a French export, its documentation is reportedly slim, and sports a very unconventional interface, but is still very usable and powerful, and not expensive. you can download a demo at www.yonowat.com
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/24/96 11:45:54 PM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
>>>Strata hasn't been updated for a long time, so some of its features and implementations may be outdated.<<<
I like Spence3D's approach to this whole thing I must interject the fact that StrataSP 2.0 is a re-written app and has a very impressive list of features. The new modeler in SSP is licensensed from Amapi. I also use Amapi, it's great for Organics. Amapi has a very bizzare interface, however it is one heck of a modeler.
My two bits,
;-)
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/25/96 6:50:00 AM
From: EagleMH
Posted on: America Online
>>I must interject the fact that StrataSP 2.0 is a re-written app and has a very impressive list of features...<
Is SSP 2.0 released yet? If not what's the target date?
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/25/96 7:05:01 AM
From: AZHSCS
Posted on: America Online
Before you go out and buy any software, I think you should get a copy of Craig Lyn's book: Mac 3D Handbook. It's pricey at about $50, but a great introductory education. Spend about a day looking through the posts on this and other boards. Both Hash and Strata have their own boards at keywords "Hash" and "Strata".
I have tried to love both of these two apps.
Strata needs help in the modeler, which hopefully the new version (due out Sept 23) will help. SSP had a rough time of it when they sent out their last update, v1.75. I guess that they really rushed it into production because a lot of the features really were not up to it. They took a lot of heat on their boards for it. The early word is that v2.0 should be a real winner, but check their boards for user reaction. Erik (ErikTek1) is a bit of an SSP evangelist, but you can count on him to speak his mind. The new purchase price of SSP is considerably higher than the other apps that you mentioned, but if you buy 1.75 now, you get a free upgrade to 2.0 when it's available, more on an SSP purchase later.
Hash is a great program, but decidedly not one to start in 3D with. The interface is tough to use, probably because there is little in the way of a real manual, and it does have some bugs, BUT the modeler is fantastic, and it does things that you can't get this side of twelve grand. Deffinately think about getting it "down the road."
I teach 3D, and the app I start everyone on is Infini-D, it's soooooooooo easy to use. It meshes nicely with the tutorials in Craig Lyn's book (no I don't know Craig). You can do "Flying Logo" stuff with it. It's mapping capabilities (where the pro's are often sorted from the amatures) are fine, but little professional work is done with it.
This is what I would suggest. Read Craig's book. If SSP 2.0 is out by the time you finsh and the posts look good, go for it. If it's not yet out, or the user reaction is inconclusive, get Infini-D; your money will earn you the right to buy SSP later at a lower competitive upgrade price, which should pay for the Infini-D.
Sorry for the long post, but I wish I had something like this to read when I started.
Bruce K - AZHSCS
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/25/96 8:21:07 AM
From: DarkPrints
Posted on: America Online
Nearly all of the programs that you mentioned have their own web sites. The quality of the sites are radically different however, you'll get plenty of information about the programs including final images and animations.
If you go to the 3D SIG area there is a pretty comprehensive list of the 3D web sites. I might recommend that you go to the sites using Navigator though as some of them use Shockwave and other plug-ins.
Good luck,
DarkPrints
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/25/96 4:20:48 PM
From: Shar34
Posted on: America Online
Thanks for all the input - I really appreciate it!
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/25/96 4:32:35 PM
From: Artifice
Posted on: America Online
Sharon,
By the way, are you familiar with the PLACES area on AOL? That's where the biggest concentration of Architecture discussion folders lives.
If you post the same questions about 3D apps there, I bet you'll get another set of interesting (and somewhat different) responses...
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/25/96 5:12:28 PM
From: Nurbs242
Posted on: America Online
Im kinda upset that Strata dumped the code for Studio PRO and re-wrote it. I mean, I thought it was a pretty awesome program the way it was didnt you guys? If it was so awesome then why did they re-write the whole thing? I don't get it.
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/25/96 9:09:32 PM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
Well it still is Strata. It was just opened up a bit to allow for the new features.
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/26/96 7:59:41 AM
From: JohnSledd
Posted on: America Online
>>The new modeler in SSP is licensensed from Amapi.<<
This is the BEST news I've heard in weeks!!!!!
Amapi's modeller is KILLER!!! Does SSP 2's work the same way? IS it Amapi just in SSP?
WOW!!
J.
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/26/96 8:57:46 AM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
It's actually both. Strata has done a very good job with intergrating it.
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/26/96 8:12:35 PM
From: Macromed3
Posted on: America Online
Hmm... does it still have a Ray Gun Tool, and a Black Hole to lose the file in? Those and the Phantom guys were my favorite features in it.... ; )
jd
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/26/96 11:49:58 PM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
>>>Hmm... does it still have a Ray Gun Tool, and a Black Hole to lose the file in? Those and the Phantom guys were my favorite features in it.... ; )<<<
In Amapi, yes. In Strata, nope. One example of how it works is such. Suppose you have a 2D plane or profile. You can simply choose the "Extrude Tool", click right on the object and pull your extrusion out. The same goes for "Lathing". You simply grab the handle and twirl away. You can twirl the profile 5 times or whatever and then pull the top handle and voila, instant spring or whatever the imagination can cook up. This is just two of the many features in the new SSP Modeler. This is going to be fun boys and girls.
;-)
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/28/96 8:23:18 PM
From: Macromed3
Posted on: America Online
Whew! Every time I read the Amapi docs I broke out in giggles by page 20.... ; )
It's good that more apps are making the switch to in-the-world modeling... the natural way to go. Being able to snap pieces of geometry together like that, and to handle things through construction, or numerics, or just freeform work, is the base upon which the other abilities are hung, right?
jd
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/29/96 7:04:24 AM
From: JohnSledd
Posted on: America Online
>>This is just two of the many features in the new SSP Modeler.<<
Oooooooohhhh.......Aaaaahhhhhhhhh..........
No work table either I'd assume...since it's in context and all.
J.
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/29/96 1:05:05 PM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
>>>No work table either I'd assume...since it's in context and all.<<<
No Work Table, but you have an array of Working Grids to choose from complemented with Infinate Planes.
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/29/96 3:15:54 PM
From: JohnSledd
Posted on: America Online
>>complemented with Infinate Planes.<<
Wait wait wait...you mean infinite drawing planes or infinite rendering planes ala Bryce?
Besides, the work table was just cool. Looked just like one of those 2x4 sawhorses. Nice touch but I guess I could make my own for the studio here:-)
J.
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/29/96 8:12:14 PM
From: VisLink
Posted on: America Online
<<One example of how it works is such. ... ... This is going to be fun boys and girls.>>
Erik, that was the most helpful info I think you've posted. I'm even more interested in seeing how SSP2.0 is going to work now. I assume you were under a non-disclosure earlier. Could you give us more examples of how the modeling has been changed/simplified?
Robert
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/29/96 8:35:31 PM
From: JohnLiscom
Posted on: America Online
my advice would be to check out all app.'s before you buy any. You can download most of 'em here on-line w/ some sort of documentation. If you want to do arch. type stuff (or anything else for that matter), check out form*Z, may seem kind of expensive, but i put down the cash and am not sorry for one minute that i did.
Best wishes,
John
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/30/96 4:21:23 AM
From: NthMan
Posted on: America Online
is a demo out yet for SSP 2.0?
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 8/30/96 11:00:40 PM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
I just got back from Strata Camp. I enjoyed kicking Snoopy in the nards.
>>>Wait wait wait...you mean infinite drawing planes or infinite rendering planes ala Bryce?<<<
One would think so, but I can't say just yet.
>>>Could you give us more examples of how the modeling has been changed/simplified?<<<
The Boolean is great. The Path Extrusions are great. The Particle generation wont be beat on this one. Volumetric shaders are awesome. You can now disect even the most complicated model with ease. you can go back over and over it again as many times as you want without the slightest pain. The build I just got is working great. In November we will host a 2.0 Roll-Out at the American Film Institute. Alot those big projects you wanted to hear about with SSP will be shown there by the artists doing them. I find myself equally suprised by the amout of work Strata has done on all this. This one is screaming! Shortly after the Mac release there will also be an NTversion available. Lots of good people working on this one. SSP will speak for itself.
;-)
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 9/1/96 1:05:28 AM
From: Nurbs242
Posted on: America Online
Yeah Erik 8|
We'll believe it when we see it...
Until then we have many other better tools to get the job done. In the mean time, Strata can keep tryin.
- Nurbs
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 9/1/96 3:17:13 AM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
>>>We'll believe it when we see it...<<<
About 12,000 people already have.
>>>Until then we have many other better tools to get the job done. In the mean time, Strata can keep tryin.<<<
Who said you didn't?
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Subj: Re:3D on a budget, Really!!
Date: 9/2/96 7:32:28 PM
From: JohnSledd
Posted on: America Online
>>>Wait wait wait...you mean infinite drawing planes or infinite rendering planes ala Bryce?<<<
>>One would think so, but I can't say just yet.<<
I'll take this as an NDA protective act and cop a cheap "Whooopeee!"
Hey, it's my post, I can read into things as much as I like:-)
J.
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Subj: A good Idea??
Date: 9/8/96 12:23:53 PM
From: GenrlVeers
Posted on: America Online
Yeah!!!!!! My performa 550 3d graphics blues are soon to be over! I am finally going to get a power mac, but I was wondering if for 3d I should get a Power Base 250 (72 MB RAM, Iomega Jaz Drive, 17" monitor, MicroMotionDC20) or should I wait until I can afford someting higher end (that would be a while because it takes us high school students a LOT of time to save money :-(. Also, should I drop the vidio I/O card in favor of an ATI 3d card?
Jamie, the struggling artist.
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Subj: Re:A good Idea??
Date: 9/8/96 8:47:07 PM
From: Rex Niger
Posted on: America Online
>>. Also, should I drop the vidio I/O card in favor of an ATI 3d card?
PowerBase's have ATI's 3D chip on the motherboard. Looks like you've chosen a nice solid system. Unfortunately they're probably not going to be ready till October.
-Eric
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Subj: Re:A good Idea??
Date: 9/11/96 3:49:10 PM
From: GenrlVeers
Posted on: America Online
Bummer....but I'll wait if it'll get me the machine I want (not to mention afford). Hopefully I wont undergo cardiac arrest before I even get to see a render under 4 hours due to stress of waiting :-)
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Subj: PowerBase upgradeability
Date: 9/11/96 3:52:05 PM
From: GenrlVeers
Posted on: America Online
Can a power base accomodate a 604e if I ever get the money to upgrade it. I understand it uses a Tanzania motherboard.
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Subj: System Suggestions ?
Date: 9/17/96 1:34:01 PM
From: Metal Chi
Posted on: America Online
Hi ho, Another starving artist wants to know how best to spend his $$$$ on a new Power PC. I do not require awesome photo/video/animation capabilities but want a good workhorse for 3-d rendering of my own drawings. I currently run Mini-CAD v.6.0 and Canvasv3.5 on an O30 based LC, oy vey! I'd like to run something like Strata or Infini-d in the future. Does anyone know a good reason why I should choose a Mac 7600 instead of a Power Computing, Power Center series? The papers seem to suggest a LOT more for a LOT less. Hope to hear from some hot shots on this Thanks, Glen G.
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Subj: PowerBase240 vs. 8500/132
Date: 9/17/96 2:34:37 PM
From: GenrlVeers
Posted on: America Online
Can anybody tell me what would be the better system for 3d animation, vidio editing and photo edititing? Both would have 72 Mb RAM and the power base would have miromotions Vidio I/O card.
Jamie Hanks
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Subj: Re:PowerBase240 vs. 8500/132
Date: 9/18/96 1:37:52 AM
From: AFC Brian
Posted on: America Online
Jamie, I would stick with the Apple 8500/132. It has worked well for me. Plus, the reliability of Apple products makes it a clear winner.
Good luck,
Brian
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Subj: PowerBase 240 vs. 8500.
Date: 9/18/96 5:23:41 AM
From: Rex Niger
Posted on: America Online
>>Jamie, I would stick with the Apple 8500/132. It has worked well for me. Plus, the reliability of Apple products makes it a clear winner.
I have an 8500/120, and while it's a nice solid workhorse the price/performance of the PowerBase is awesome. It's faster, and it has a built-in 3D rasterizer chip. Also the PowerBase is likely to be cheaper than any 8500s you can find, you can use the extra money for more Ram, HD space, or a nifty new app.
-Eric
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Subj: Re:PowerBase 240 vs. 8500.
Date: 9/18/96 7:35:07 AM
From: WMorse
Posted on: America Online
<<PowerBase ... and it has a built-in 3D rasterizer chip>>
How did I miss this? Which one? Are they just bundling a video card that has one or is it more integrated into the system?
Will Morse
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Subj: Re:PowerBase 240 vs. 8500.
Date: 9/18/96 11:49:22 AM
From: JohnSledd
Posted on: America Online
I have an 8500/120 too and whereas I love the machine, my next CPU purchase will probably be a clone...and probably a power computing clone at that.
But first I gotta snag that daystar MP board...
J.
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Subj: Re:PowerBase 240 vs. 8500.
Date: 9/18/96 12:40:17 PM
From: ErikTek1
Posted on: America Online
I'm also very happy with my 8500/120, but I'm now looking into the Daystar MPX or the new Apple MP180. I will have better info on this in about week or so.
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Subj: Re:PowerBase 240 vs. 8500.
Date: 9/18/96 1:37:46 PM
From: Rex Niger
Posted on: America Online
>>How did I miss this? Which one? Are they just bundling a video card that has one or is it more integrated into the system?
When they were originally designed the PowerBases were supposed to use ATI's Mach chip on their motherboards for the onboard video, (Same chip used in ATI's PCI board) As opposed to the Valkyrie II which the new 6400s use. But later in the development cycle, ATI finished a new version of their Mach chip, which was nearly identical to the old except they added 3D rasterization acceleration. Power thought this would be a cool feature to add, and so modified the design and made the 3D chip standard on all PowerBases.
The new chip's performance is about that of the QD 3D card, though the only thing I've seen running on it is Havoc. I have a feeling this last minute change is why the PowerBases have been delayed until October.
-Eric
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Subj: Re:PowerBase 240 vs. 8500.
Date: 9/18/96 3:17:01 PM
From: Metal Chi
Posted on: America Online
Anyone care to comment on Power Base 240 vs Power Center132 or150. Is there any inherent differences that make one better than the other for rendering Cad drawings and a limited amount of photo editing?
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Subj: Re:ATI
Date: 9/19/96 7:34:07 PM
From: JohnLiscom
Posted on: America Online
When i was at the recent MacWorld Expo. in Boston i saw the ATI qd3d acc. card in action. I was NOT impressed at all. They were running the Gerbils demo. I have never seen it look worse. I don't know if this is the same one being implemented into some of the Power Computing machines. If it is though, i wouldn't be terribly excited about it.
Just a thought,
John Liscomb
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Subj: 3d app needed
Date: 1/22/97 11:45:16 AM
From: WLOAERO
Posted on: America Online
Hi! Can you help me in developing a 3D app that I can put wireframe models in(dxf) and rotate these models with key strokes or mouse. I make 3D models and would like to sell the models along with an app that can rotate and then make a picture as GIF, JPEG, and PICT. My site is http://users.aol.com/wloaero It is Aeronautica 3D. Who can help or where can I get help. Is it easy enough to make an app and what language would I use. Thanks Wendell. Please respond to WLOAERO
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Subj: Any suggestions?
Date: 1/29/97 8:26:46 AM
From: KCogsdill
Posted on: America Online
I hate to interrupt this discussion about "space idiots", but could we get back to what this board is suppose to be about-3D graphics on a budget?
I have a question to anyone who is still with me on this one; does anyone know about the Andromeda 3D Series 2 filters for Photoshop? I'm looking for an easy and economical way to create simple geometric shapes that I can apply textures to. I'm also looking for a way to give my Kai Power tools-created textures some perspective. Since I don't think I would use a full-blown 3D package to its full potential, I'm hoping to slide by buying some Photoshop filters that can do what I need to do without too much learning time involved. Any suggestions out there.
Karen
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Subj: Re:Any suggestions?
Date: 1/29/97 9:01:28 AM
From: WMorse
Posted on: America Online
<<I'm looking for an easy and economical way to create simple geometric shapes that I can apply textures to. >>
Keep your eyes on Vertigo's Dizzy (http://www.vertigo3d.com)
They have a PShop plugin that provides what you are talking about - a limited 3D layout and rendering environment inside PShop.
It uses QuickDraw3D for rendering, which is a problem for now because there's no final quality (ie: anti-aliasing) rendering available. Vertigo apparantly plans to bundle LightWorks' plug-in renderer when it becomes available.
The bundle pricing for the pre-release version of Dizzy looks real good: $49, with a bunch of Viewpoint models and free update to the full version and the LightWorks renderer when both become available.
The big problem with Lightworks (and any plug-in renderer, presumeably) is that they are waiting for QuickDraw3D 1.5.1, and there seems to be no word from Apple on when this will be available. Apple presence on the QD3D developer list has dried up lately, although that's probably due more to Rhapsody issues than anything else at this point.
Will Morse
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Subj: Re:Any suggestions?
Date: 1/29/97 4:45:27 PM
From: KELTER
Posted on: America Online
>The bundle pricing for the pre-release version of Dizzy looks real good: $49, with a bunch of Viewpoint models and free update to the full version and the LightWorks renderer when both become available.<<
Hmm... I was under the assumption that the LightWorks renderer would be a "pay" upgrade for Dizzy purchasers. Either way, I've heard a price of $88.00 (strange pricing) for the LW renderer alone.
I can't confirm the pricing but the renderer should be able to render in any app that supports QD3D.
Anyone else have any info on this?
-kelter
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Subj: Re:Any suggestions?
Date: 1/29/97 9:46:37 PM
From: JChaiEFX
Posted on: America Online
>>I'm looking for an easy and economical way to create simple geometric shapes that I can apply textures to. <<
I just received my copy of Dizzy and as a pre release it does have
alot of promise. And at 50 bucks it's a good deal = ) . The final version
which I think will ship in March will include "texture mapping, soft shadows,
background and foreground shading, and anti aliasing" ( whoever she is ... ; ) )
and to boot the CDrom has lots of 3d shapes and objects from Viewpoint
about 400 I think, plus you can download 100 more direct from Viewpoint.
This may be your solution.
>>The bundle pricing for the pre-release version of Dizzy looks real good: $49, with a bunch of Viewpoint models and free update to the full version and the LightWorks renderer when both become available.<<
As far as my registration card says Lightworks is'nt bundled with it, but
Dizzy supports that renderer. The final version ( 1.0 ) will have scanline
renderer built in.
James
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Subj: Re:Any suggestions?
Date: 1/30/97 10:04:44 AM
From: WMorse
Posted on: America Online
<<As far as my registration card says Lightworks is'nt bundled with it, but
Dizzy supports that renderer. The final version ( 1.0 ) will have scanline renderer built in.>>
Yeah, sorry 'bout that.
Upon carefully rereading the Web site, it only says that "support" for LightWorks is coming in version 1.0 (the "March" release).
Will Morse
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Subj: I need some advice
Date: 2/2/97 10:06:30 PM
From: Dr ZIK
Posted on: America Online
Hi folks!
I've posted essentially the same message at various SIG boards tonight (3D, Animation, video, etc.), so I won't post it here; and I apologize for the spams. But please look it up and respond to my questions. Without some good advice I may be forced to throw out 6-8 months' worth of animation and rendering. Thanx.
Peter(Dr Zik)
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Subj: Hash Animation for sale
Date: 2/21/97 8:25:48 PM
From: A Jillrose
Posted on: America Online
On a budget? Want to do 3D animation?
For sale: Hash Animation Master Ver. 4.08 for Macintosh. Includes software, dongle, CD-rom, training tape & all availabale tutorials and guide texts printed in binder form. Sells for $699, asking $495. E-mail to "A Jillrose@AOL.com" (there's a space between "A" and "Jillrose")
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Subj: Extreme 3D? anyone?
Date: 2/25/97 8:04:10 PM
From: Design X
Posted on: America Online
I have experience with Infini-D and really like its ease of use. Has anyone used Extreme 3D from Macromedia? Version one was pretty disappointing and not very stable. Supposedly version 2 is coming out soon with meta-ball like features, VRML ala shockwave support and bug fixes. It appears they are gaering Extreme 3D towards WEB graphics now. Anyone have any comments about Extreme 3D? Is it worth upgrading to version2? Anyone?
MArk.
3D Interest Group /3D On A Budget
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Subj: Re:Extreme 3D? anyone?
Date: 2/26/97 5:40:40 PM
From: Macromed3
Posted on: America Online
Hi Mark,
If you've had stability problems, then please do download the E3D 1.02 updater from the Macromedia forum or updater.
There were two ways to crash identified in the CD version of E3D 1.0, and they were quickly addressed in a patch updater. The 1.02 version added additional tweaks that were lower-priority, but which the engineering team wanted to polish off.
Yes, Extreme 3D 2.0 has "web features" such as integrated VRML 1/2 export, GIF animation export, PNG export, xRes .LRG export for large streaming bitmaps. But that's only one of its features... still very fast in animation preview and final rendering, and the integration with FreeHand has resulted in more graphic designers using it too.
btw, people have been using the shipping E3D 2.0 since just before the holidays. Best deal, for those "on a budget", is as part of the FreeHand Graphics Studio 7 competitive upgrade... can ditch the primitive Illustrator or funny Corel and get a whole suite of tools for an incredibly cheap price.
Regards,
John Dowdell
Macromedia Tech Support
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Subj: Why put down?
Date: 2/26/97 7:41:04 PM
From: Frank26
Posted on: America Online
John, regarding your statement ".. can ditch the primitive Illustrator or funny Corel.." isn't there a more constructive way of telling us how great Freehand is? I love Illustrator on my Mac and use it daily. And the artist next to me uses CorelDraw on a PC. She turns out work better than 90% of the commercial stuff I've seen printed.
And, by the way, E3D 1.02 is still buggy as hell! I know, I've been punishing myself by using it for a hundred or so hours, for the sole reason that it's the only way, right now, I can get volumetric lights for a project.
As I've given all the details of the bugs a few times already, I will not go over them again. If you are interested, look back a few months.
And, if the interface of E3D 2.0 is anything like 1.02, you guys need a new human interface design team!
Frank
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Subj: Re:Extreme 3D? anyone?
Date: 2/26/97 10:26:05 PM
From: VisLink
Posted on: America Online
John,
I'm kind of surprised by your sales speak. I've read your posts for quite a while and up until the past couple days, they've been strictly factual data. Very informitive and knowledgeable. Is management requesting that you "sell" more actively on the boards?
Robert
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Subj: Re:Why put down?
Date: 2/28/97 5:17:06 PM
From: Macromed3
Posted on: America Online
Hi Frank,
No, actually I've come to feel more strongly about this as Adobe continues to sell Illustrator 4.1 as "new" in the catalogs, and as we see the feature list of ILL7 revealed in MacWEEK, and as I go back and forth between the two myself. Illustrator *is* a primitive tool, and it's falling more and more behind with each version.
Frank, you can get reliable performance out of E3D 1.02 just as others do. Because you say "look it up" and because I know we cover issues as we get to them, I assume there are some vague posts in the past you wish me to dig up. If you ask an answerable question I'll be able to help directly, though... you should be able to get the solid performance that other people do.
Regards,
John Dowdell
Macromedia Tech Support
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Subj: Re:Why put down?
Date: 3/1/97 12:18:19 PM
From: SCHAEFER E
Posted on: America Online
Iv'e never been involved with the desktop publishing end of art but having bought the freehand "studio" I,ve begun to explore this powerful program. Not talked about is the useful 2D boolean operations and I find Extras such as punch, inline, fractalize, and inset to be quite useful for creating 2D EPS files that I can extrude in my 3D programs (E3D seems to require a 'Freehand format). I use it for logos, spaceship design etc. I've dumped Illustrator!
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Subj: mac 3D softwares- sell or trad
Date: 3/1/97 12:26:53 PM
From: Eiasbunny
Posted on: America Online
Mac 3D softwares for sale!!!
1) Infini-D 3.0 and "INFINI-D REVEALED" book . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 150
2) Electricimage Scholastic - renders only 512 x 384 animations
Great for multimedia quicktime movie productions or CD-ROM. . . . . $ 150
* * * * * * WILL TRADE ITEMS 1 & 2 FOR ADOBE PREMIERE OR AFTER EFFECTS.
3) Form-Z renderzone 2.8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 900
I'm in the San Francisco bay area, prefer local buyers. If out-of-state I will have to charge shipping and insurance additionally.
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Subj: E3D2 & Mac for sale
Date: 3/4/97 10:03:28 AM
From: SCHAEFER E
Posted on: America Online
- MAC For Sale -
Quadra/PowerPC-2 megs video ram/16+ million colors
20 megs ram, 350 meg HD, keyboard, sys 7.5.3
Software: Norton Utilities, Microsoft works, Virex, games and graphics
$895.oo
Extreme 3 D 2.0 (Still in box/not registered) $135.oo + shipping
Orange Co. area Schaefer E @ AOL.com (ph. 714/552-784)
5/10/97 2:01:26 PM
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