Abduction Digest, Number 9

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Subject: Abduction Digest

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                           Abduction Digest, Number 9

 

                            Friday, April 12th 1991

 

Today's Topics:

 

                               Abduction research

                               Abduction Research

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From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner)

Subject: Abduction research

Date: 8 Apr 91 00:20:00 GMT

 > A recent issue of the Australian and New Zealand Journal of

 > Psychiatry, 1990;

 > 24:561-565, carries a several page article by Terry Heins,

 > Allison Gray and Maxine Tennant titled "Persisting

 > hallucinations following childhood sexual abuse." Thery

 > describe work by an American, Ellenson, who interviewed

 > female incest survivors. "Careful mental state examinations

 > found that all showed a post-incest syndrome involving

 > specific disturbances in thought (certain types of

 > nightmares, obsessions, dissociative experiences and phobias)

 > and in perception (certain types of illusions and visual and

 > auditory hallucinations)."..."Commonest were shadowy figures,

 > movements in peripheral vision, intruder sounds...and inner

 > helper voices..." I see some parallels with abductees here.

 > As you may be aware Bob Bartholomew

 > and I have drawn researchers attention to the possible link

 > between

 > fantasy-prone personality, abductees and childhood abuse. 

 > The line of

 > thinking would go: could lifelong abductions actually be due

 > to childhood (sexual) abuse (which we believe can trigger

 > multiple personality

 > disorders), causing a fantasy world creation which is then

 > interpreted by UFO researchers as of alien abductions? We

 > have challenged researchers to undertake detailed

 > psychological testing

 > of abductees to test if they are fantasy-prone, and also

 > suggest the checking

 > of their childhood for evidence of sexual abuse.  I can

 > supply some references for those interested in further

 > reading on this topic. Comments would be welcome on this

 > matter.

 

(Due to the nature how arguments start here because people jump to 

conclusions, I will state here I am not trying to invalidate what 

you say.. I just want to see your comments on my comments-)

  This link looks moderately plausible, but fails to explain why in 

such large numbers, with such repetition, people describe the aliens 

as the greys or the blues.. If this link was true, wouldn't such

"shadows" be of different forms, and not being the exact same 

description of what they greys and the blues look like?  How does 

this link explain the missing time, the markings on some people, the

appearance of surgery in the brain area (when the person has never 

been recorded having such surgery before), and lastly, but not 

least, the other family members who were not abused before but are 

affected by the visitations, also?  

I do not claim that alien abduction does indeed exist, (it would be 

illogical, since I do not have concrete proof of this) but I am very 

concerned at the large numbers (not just 50.. but in the thousands) 

of people coming out reporting abuction, describing the same beings, 

under hypnosis?  Hypnosis can yield false results.. but in such a 

large numbers?  Wouldn't there be many inconsistiencies? 

I'm open to listen to any information on this subject, though.. I 

am curious about this, and want to know the cause, be it aliens, 

hallucinations, etc.

                                                Tyson

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From: Michael.Corbin@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)

Subject: Abduction Research

Date: 9 Apr 91 18:40:00 GMT

 >   This link looks moderately plausible, but fails to explain why in such

 > large numbers, with such repetition, people describe the aliens as the

 > greys or the blues.. If this link was true, wouldn't such

 > "shadows" be of different forms, and not being the exact same

 > description of what they greys and the blues look like?  How does this

 > link explain the missing time, the markings on some people, the

 > appearance of surgery in the brain area (when the person has never been

 > recorded having such surgery before), and lastly, but not least, the

 > other family members who were not abused before but are affected by the

 > visitations, also?

While this all sounds good, the data has been sufficiently withheld as to not 

permit other qualified persons to examine the data relating to the claims that 

you have referenced above.  I do not believe that there are really medical 

records to back up some of these rumors, therefore we have a lot of claims 

without representation.  Unfortunately, we must take the word of the so-called 

experts to provide us with accurate data.  The second part of the problem is 

that it has been found that the field of abduction research has been totally 

polluted by the mass amount of publicity which it has received together with 

complete descriptions of what the "critters" look like.  Take for an example, 

an issue of Omni magazine some years back featured an article and questionaire 

by Dr. Bruce Maccabee and Budd Hopkins soliciting possible abductees.  I found 

this article to be highly suggestive and would corrupt those answering the 

questionaire, thereby seriously compromising the data.  Let us not forget the 

wide distribution that Omni enjoys.  Secondly, the nationally televised 

program, "UFO Cover-UP? Live!" aired October, 1988 also highly publicized the 

portrait of what these critters might look like.  The problem thusly lies with 

how much of the data is good and how much is totally corrupt?

 > I do not claim that alien abduction does indeed exist, (it would be

 > illogical, since I do not have concrete proof of this) but I am very

 > concerned at the large numbers (not just 50.. but in the thousands) of

 > people coming out reporting abuction, describing the same beings, under

 > hypnosis?  Hypnosis can yield false results.. but in such a large

 > numbers?  Wouldn't there be many inconsistiencies?

 > I'm open to listen to any information on this subject, though.. I am

 > curious about this, and want to know the cause, be it aliens,

 > hallucinations, etc.

This is a very good point, however we do not have sufficient data to determine 

what the norm is for people who might fall under the Fantasy Prone.  In a 

studies done with abduction research, it was found that there were striking 

consistencies between non-abductees and abductees in their descriptions of 

what takes place during an abduction experience.  There is not enough data to 

answer the why of this yet, but it is being studied.

Mike

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