Info-ParaNet Newsletters April 8th 1991
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 387
Monday, April 8th 1991
Today's Topics:
Re: Rick Redux
Belgian Reports
Koa
Re: Bill Cooper
Re: Proof
Re: Thanks, Jerry!
Re: Thanks, Jerry!
Carp.UFO revisited
Re: Serios Business
Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!!
Re: (none)
THEY'RE HERE!!
Re: SS433
Re: SERIOS BUSINESS
Human visitors
Re: SERIOS BUSINESS
Re: Mail Problems
Re: A SETI Update
''The Search For Schroedinger's Cat''
Resonant Coil Implications?
Serios Business
Re: Thanks, Jerry!
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From: Jim.Delton@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Rick Redux
Date: 6 Apr 91 03:03:00 GMT
Elaboration on Calvin. A string of buzzword that sounded good but
meant nothing. Looses something in the translation.
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From: Michael.Corbin@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Belgian Reports
Date: 5 Apr 91 21:26:00 GMT
> An interesting little tidbit from the International Literary Gazette
> (reprinted by UFONS) in an interview by Oleg Moroz of Ivan Tretyak, CIC
> USSR ADF.
>
> MOROZ. "The Belgian Air Force headquarters published some excerpts from
> a report which gave an account of the events that occurred on the night
> of March 30: It was at last officially confirmed that the mysterious
> black triangles that had for seven months recurrently appeared over
> Belgium were detected by military radars."
>
> TRETYAK. "I know about this publication. But the fact is that several
> days later it was refuted; there had been no detection by radars."
>
> Have we missed a followup somewhere? Throughout the interview, Tretyak
> seems to be a fairly straightforward guy.
I would rather doubt this, as I have talked directly to Richard Haines who is
working directly with SOBEPS in Belgium. I also checked with him about the
other Hard Copy allegations concerning the Stealth being identified as the
triangular-shaped craft. This is erroneous also. At last check, the report
coming from Col. DeBrouwer (sp?) was accurate, and the anomaly is still
classified as unidentified or TRUFO. Any further information you might find
on this publication may shed some light on this.
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From: Michael.Corbin@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Koa
Date: 5 Apr 91 21:55:00 GMT
> How did the KOA appearance go?
Extremely well received! I was scheduled for one hour. At the end of the
first hour the host says, "The lines are melting with people wanting to get on
with you. Can you stay on into the next hour?" I was on for a total of 90
minutes, and out of all of the callers, there was only one who tried to crack
a joke about the only saucers that she had seen were the ones her two kids
through out the kitchen widow while doing dishes.
The caliber of calls was very high, and I found most people calling in to have
had some type of sighting experience -- not the kook stuff -- and were
genuinely interested in wanting to gain an understanding of what it might have
been.
Mike
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From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner)
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper
Date: 4 Apr 91 04:38:00 GMT
> > much information in or your brain will pop out"
> > concept.
> > Our mind supposedly has unlimited storage capacity.
>
> Yea Tyson, that may be, but still, that does not mean that
> you don't question, and research. Do you believe EVERYTHING
> you hear? If so, I got this really GREAT car that I am
> selling, and BOY* * * can YOU BUY it CHEAP. You send me a
> check, I send you the papers-----OK?
Well, I never stated that you disbelieve everything you hear.. I was just
trying to point out the danger in using the "mind so open the brains flutter
out" concept.. It gives an excuse to ignore possible information. I sound too
serious sometimes, and I apologize if I seemed too vehement in my post.
My point isn't that you should believe or disbelieve anything. My point is
that you should consider all sources of information.. and if there is not
sufficient (or reasonable) proof to disbelieve it, then it shouldn't be
dismissed totally. However, there are some claims that do not have to be
researched into, for they seem to be a waste of time (like the aliens are
"demons" type). I agree with you totally on that. I also never lead myself
to believe any information if I do not have sufficient proof of it also.. I just
consider it, and try to learn more information about it, and hopefully gain
more proof for or against it.
Tyson
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Re: Proof
Date: 4 Apr 91 16:23:00 GMT
Jim:
I will try once more.
First, you do not have to convince me that there are events
happening with regard to unidentified flying somethings. I
( once more with feeling ) had a dramatic sighting in 1966.
WHAT I DID SAY WAS THAT NEITHER YOU, ME, WENDELLE STEVENS,
WHITLEY STRIEBER, BUDD HOPKINS, WM. MOORE, NOR ANYONE ELSE
*** K N O W S *** where these damn things come from, and IF
YOU DO, YOU BETTER CALL THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER, they will pay
you a chunk of cash IF YOU CAN SHOW ( get ready, here it
comes ) ****** P R O O F ******* of what they are and where
they come from.
Ok, that is it, I said my piece and IT IS NOW BURIED.
DON
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From: Jerry.Driscoll@p0.f30.n134.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jerry Driscoll)
Subject: Re: Thanks, Jerry!
Date: 5 Apr 91 11:53:00 GMT
In a message to Jerry Driscoll <04-03-91 21:01> Clark Matthews wrote:
CM> I have just completed the migration to Imail 1.10 and am
CM> now experiencing no problems whatever. In fact, Imail
CM> managed to recover many, many bad messages and posted them
CM> correctly. It's an excellent program, extremely
CM> zone-smart, and it sets up with menus that are almost
CM> foolproof (I am living proof of the foolproofness).
I have heard about this Imail thingy... and I might take a look at it...
Zmail 1.14, and 1.13, for that matter, are supposed to have too many bugs,
and alot of the Zmail users, including Joe Lindstrom, who is the Canadian
Rep for Zmail, have gone back to Zmail 1.12... Joe is very unhappy with
having to use Zmail 1.12... He is a very happy RA user, and is very
unhappy with the Zmail 1.12 tearline [ZMailQ 1.13 (QuickBBS)]... :-)
Jerry
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From: Elizabeth.Anderson@p0.f30.n134.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Elizabeth Anderson)
Subject: Re: Thanks, Jerry!
Date: 6 Apr 91 03:49:00 GMT
Hey Clark!!!!
CM> tell Elizabeth that I will contact Ft. Smith Chamber of
^^^^^
It is NOT Fort Smith!!!! It is Fort Simpson!!!!! You confuse everybody if
you write to the wrong chamber of commerce!!!
Get it right, man! 8-)
Elizabeth
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From: vm1.yorku.ca!YSCS1296
Subject: Carp.UFO revisited
Date: 6 Apr 91 22:21:30 GMT
From: User <YSCS1296@vm1.yorku.ca>
I came across the book 'Nostradamus predicts the end of the world' in a
local bookstore recently.
Apparently, the predictions listed as Nostradamus' armageddon story is
almost completely similar to the 'warnings' given in Don Ecker's file
CARP.UFO (though not written by Don).
The Nostradamus predictions tell of an invasion of combined Arab and
Chinese forces, spearheaded by an attack from the Artic, and with the
flagship bacteriological weapons.
The book may be a hyped-up version of the original Nostradamus
predictions, but there is definitely a correlation between it and
CARP.UFO - and in fact, the author of that file might have been
influenced by those predictions as opposed to reading some kind of
'secret' government documents.
I cannot comment on the alleged c/r of the alien starfighter.
However, mind manipulation via ELF EM pulses is possible. I have
read about it somewhere else, and such technology can feasibly alter
the subconscious and/or manipulate subliminally.
Finally, the Nostradamus predictions indicated a fall of Israel at the
hands of the invading forces (also that Italy will be the first target
in the European communities).
The problem I have with the way things are going is that it seems that
the bible predictions were correct in that Babylon would fall at the
hands of the forces of good (the U.S.?!) but if so then how can Israel
fall?
In any case, we'll all know whether or not we're just wasting our time
on Paranet discussing all of this stuff in about 10 years' time.
Within ten years, I should say.
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Serios Business
Date: 5 Apr 91 14:09:00 GMT
OK, Dan, you've convinced me. I shall look for the much-vaunted *second
edition* of the World of Ted Serios.
In the meantime, I shall review Martin Gardner's "Science: Good, Bad
and Bogus" and may excerpt a few things from it for your reading
"pleasure." Mind you, I'm no great fan of Gardner's, and if I run
something of his up the flagpole, its because I'm really hoping it can
be shot down - personally I think the guy is the most pompous of the
CSICOP hit-men. But I will be looking for bulls-eyes on Eisenbud's
part.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: THEY'RE HERE!!!!
Date: 5 Apr 91 14:10:00 GMT
> They're Here!
And they look like the Michelin Tire Man!
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 6 Apr 91 07:08:00 GMT
Scott:
I'm slowly getting more and more turned off by this case. Your message
didn't help too much.
First of all, there's this:
> They include one fireman (one of several who saw it that day) and three
> civilians. These witnesses are not looking for publicity and will not
> let Gordon release their names to the media for fear of ridicule.
I am going to check this with Cindy Bowles, who helped produce the
segment for Unsolved Mysteries, but I believe at least two of the
firemen did use their real names on that segment. And they certainly
didn't take great pains to disguise themselves on a national TV
broadcast. Somehow I think the people of Kecksburg, the people who are
most apt to ridicule them, know who they are.
> Never mind that scientist Ivan T. Sanderson traced the flight >
pattern of the UFO and discovered it made a controlled 25-degree turn in
> Ohio and headed for Pennsylvania (Fate Magazine, arch 1966). Not a >
typical movement of a satellite crashing back to Earth.
As I understand it, (and PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong), such
calculations are made from a composite of eyewitness accounts. I'm
sorry, but I don't see how a conclusion can be drawn from a bunch of
people saying, "it went that-a-way." The margin of error for such
observations would be right around 25 degrees, I think.
> so states before crash-landing. But he failed to mention that Sanderson
> estimated the object's speed at 1062.5 miles per hour. PASU did a
Do you have any information on just how Sanderson was able to arrive at
this "estimate"? Did he aim a radar gun at the thing or what?
> concluded that at most the object was moving at a speed of 5257 miles
> per hour. Neither estimate comes anywhere near the minimum speed for a
> meteor which is approximately 27,000 miles per hour. Witnesses to the
Where does that figure come from? I'm not challenging it, I'm genuinely
curious if that's an accurate figure - if so, it impacts some other
famous cases. If not...then of course it doesn't belong here. (I wish I
had been paying attention in Meteoritics 101!)
> Anyhow, why would numerous local fire companies, the
> Pennsylvania State Police, the U.S. Air Force, the 662nd Radar Squadron,
> and various other military officials gravitate to the village of
> Kecksburg to recover a rock from space? What happened to this alleged
> meteor? Why did it have to be removed that night? And why all the
> secrecy?
I remember seeing a bright bolide around 1966. My parents and I (I was
10) were coming out of Manero's restaurant in Old Greenwich, CT, when my
mother looked up and froze. I followed her gaze and saw a multi-colored
object arcing down towards the earth, breaking up as it fell. My mother
immediately said, "Its a UFO!" I calmly replied, "No, Mom, its a
meteor." (At 10, I was probably the youngest subscriber to NICAP's UFO
Investigator!) As we drove home, we were passed by various fire and
emergency vehicles, headed north towards the apparent ground zero. It
looked very much as if the object had fallen on North Greenwich. Turned
out later, it had fallen somewhere near the Canadian border, 600 miles
north. This is a common occurence with bolide sightings - they often do
seem to be headed towards your backyard.
> was stationed at Lockborne Air Base near Columbus, Ohio, who claims the
> base was put on 'red alert' during the early morning hours of December
Can't this be verified somehow?
> Several days later, a witness reported seeing the object at
> Wright-Patterson. Reporter Sharon Santus writing in the Greensburg
> Tribune-Review (Dec. 9, 1990) writes:
As Young says, where WERE these people in 1965?
+ Another witness, Ohio truck driver John Cummings (not his real name),
+ said he actually saw the object inside a building at Wright-Patterson
+ on Dec. 12, 1965, just three days after the alleged landing.
+Cummings, who made deliveries for a Dayton-area building-supply company,
+said a high-ranking military officer arrived at the firm on Dec. 11,
+1965, and ordered a special radiation-, moisture-resistant brick for
+construction of a protective room inside a building at Wright-Patterson.
+
+Cummings said he and a cousin delivered 6,500 bricks to Wright-Patterson
+the next day after being instructed by their boss not to discuss
+anything they might observe at the compound.
+
+'We were unloading the bricks onto pallets and me and my cousin decided
+to sneak inside to see what all the secrecy was about,' Cummings said.
+'Guards immediately ordered us out ... but not before we saw it.'
Come on, Scott. An anonymous truck driver and his cousin claim to have
snuck into see a recovery operation shrouded in the secrecy of "the most
highly classified project in the US - higher than the H-bomb" (Wilbur
Smith). You're buying this? I've read your work in the past, you're a
more responsible researcher than that.
So what do we have? A few scattered eyewitness reports, dubious
measurements by a scientist of dubious credentials (isn't Sanderson the
guy who claims to have seen dinosaurs and giant bats in Africa?), a
truck driver and his cousin saying, "yeah, we seen it too", and a couple
of firemen who try to protect their identity by going full-face on
national TV. I was impressed with this case before, and I am still
impressed with the quality of work Stan Gordon has done in general, but
I hope you guys can put up a better defense to Young's article than the
above.
In the spirit of constructive debate,
Jim Speiser
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: THEY'RE HERE!!
Date: 6 Apr 91 04:38:00 GMT
In a message to All <04 Apr 91 14:52> well.sf.ca.us!ddrasin wrote:
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Your rendition of 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Ants'?
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: SS433
Date: 5 Apr 91 16:44:00 GMT
Really I wanted to say I dug out something which may quell some of the
mystery on SS433. I'm not big on this so please excuse inadvertant errors and
my lousy spelling.
Sanduleak-Stephenson 433:
From Science News Vol 117, page 140.
"The facts are that a compact radio source was found. It's position agrees with
the optical position to within 1/100 of a second of arc. For the record that
position is right ascension 19 hours 9 minutes 21.29 seconds, declination +4
(degrees) 53' 54" .07. The radio output varies on a cycle of 6.6 days,
something not explained in the models for its optical behavior."
"SS433 has three sets of emission lines. One of them stays still in apparent
wavelengths, as the emission spectrum of an ordinary star should. Two of them
gradually change, shifting redwards, then bluewards, then back again."
I won't take more time on this, but it appears that reptiles from outer space
are not comming to take over Earth, and SS433-W50 is interesting and possibly
something new that we have not observed before. The article mentions that
variations in redshifts produce two symmetrically opposed cycles. I'm sure
there is more current study information, but I just happened across this and
thought it might be of interest.
From: GREGG GILLIS
The object called SS433 is a small stellar object located approximately 18,000
light years in distance from our Solar System. It is surrounded by a supernova
remnant named W50 (R.A. 19h 09m 20s and Dec. 4 degrees 55'). It is suggested
that SS433 might be a candidate for a 'black hole' with an accretion disk
orbited by another star that is feeding the black hole. In any case, SS433 is
emitting two jets of gas... which is yielding a curious spectral signature (red
shift/blue shifted lines at the same time). This object emits hard X-rays and
strong radio waves... both very common for this type of stellar object.
Sources: The Invisible Universe Revealed, by Gerrit L. Verschuur.
pp 174-185. ISBN: 3-540-96280-8.
'Accretion-Driven Stellar X-ray Sources', from the Cambridge
AstroPhysics Series, by Dr. P. J. Van den Heuvel.
pp 289-301. Chapter 7 "SS 433" by Bruce Margon, Astronomy
Department, Univ. Washington. ISBN: 0-521-24521-4.
'The X-Ray Universe', by Tucker and Giacconi. Harvard Univ Press.
ISBN: 0-674-96285-0
(page 99 has references to SS Cygni type stars, which SS 433 is
of that type).
'COSMOS', by Carl Sagan. Page 242. ISBN: 0-394-50294-9
'STARS - Voyage through the universe', by TIME-LIFE books.
Reference page: 120, lower left corner.
ISBN: 0-8094-6858-1
Well.... that's the only references I could find in 20 minutes. But suffice
it to say.... there is PLENTY of REAL information about this object.
Cheers!
The first part of the message is from Pete Porro second part Gregg Gillis.
It's a canned answer because the question keeps comming up. I wish I had a
whole disc of stock answers explaining where to start on investigation of
<blank>. Hopes this explains the name, and where you might find more.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: SERIOS BUSINESS
Date: 5 Apr 91 16:49:00 GMT
Arthur C. Clark pretty well says this was a con job, using the tube for
holding small parts of photos. I have not read the book, so my answer is only
a reference to someone who I have seen accept some very unusual occurances,
and still be able to say some things are probably hoaxes. He did a whole show
on mysterious photos. It's shown on the Discovery Channel from time to time,
Thursday evenings at 7pm (cst) and repeats on Saturday. I record all the
shows because they air at the same time as "The Simpsons" and I can't miss
that! 8*)
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From: eniac.seas.upenn.edu!snelson
Subject: Human visitors
Date: 7 Apr 91 08:19:13 GMT
From: snelson@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven Nelson)
Why are the visitors so humanlike? Given the complexity of the
evolutionary process, the odds that aliens would have such a human shape as is
commonly reported seems rather implausible. Parallel evolution adapts creatures
that live in similar environments to similar shapes, yet certainly there's no
reason to assume that our planet and any alien planet would be remotely
similar.
I hold out, at present, no explanations. I would not invalidate the
phenomenon based on this point, but I find that this datum, which many
researchers seem to ignore, is essential to understanding the UFO phenomenon.
I use Whitley Streiber's term 'visitors' simply because it is less
committal than the term 'aliens.'
Does anyone have any comments?
-Steve
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From: Charles.Mcelhinney@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Charles Mcelhinney)
Subject: Re: SERIOS BUSINESS
Date: 6 Apr 91 14:19:00 GMT
PP> Arthur C. Clark pretty well says this was a con job, using
PP> the tube for holding small parts of photos. I have not read
PP> the book, so my answer is only a reference to someone who I
PP> have seen accept some very unusual occurances, and still be
PP> able to say some things are probably hoaxes. He did a whole
PP> show on mysterious photos. It's shown on the Discovery
I've seen Clarke's show also and have read a few of his books. On the
show, he comes across as quite the skeptic. In fact, everything on that
show he trys his best to blow out of the water. However, he is a great and
unusual man who writes a very good story.
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From: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Mail Problems
Date: 5 Apr 91 22:13:00 GMT
Elizabeth, thanks for the re-post!
Actually, the problem had nothing to do with your message -- it had to do
with MY software, which turned your message into hamburger.
So thanks again for the into -- I'll let you know the info I glean.
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: A SETI Update
Date: 6 Apr 91 00:19:00 GMT
va>Silvio Conte (R-MA): 'We don't need to spend $6 million this year
va>to find evidence of these rascally creatures. We only need 75
va>cents to buy a tabloid at the local supermarket. Conclusive
va>evidence of these crafty critters can be found at checkout
va>counters from coast to coast. [Mr. Conte then entered into the
va>Congressional Record five articles on UFOs from tabloid
va>publications.]
How amusing for him! Of course, Conte became greatly exercised the
following week, when the media called his attempted murder of the NASA SETI
appropriation "The Search For Congressional Intelligence".
Still you can't blame Silvio -- $6 million spent unraveling the secrets of
the universe is $6 million that won't be here to pay for Congressional
junkets...
va>I had heard Conte was unfriendly to the concept, but I
va>didn't know it was
va>this bad. But didn't he die a couple months ago?
... only from the neck up.
Why are politicians always such self-serving poltroons?
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: ''The Search For Schroedinger's Cat''
Date: 6 Apr 91 05:11:00 GMT
> If you want to read about other dimensions, try The Search for
> Schroedinger's Cat.
>
> And after you've done that, read the file REALITY.ASC from
> KeelyNet, on
> Bohm's holographic model of the universe and Pribram's
> holographic model of
> the mind. Excellent work! (Maybe Clark or I should post it,
> although it's
> not UFO-related. Comments?)
>
Jim, you're a mind-reader! I am planning to follow up on the
posting of the Gravity Coil with a posting of REALITY!
There was only limited response to the gravity coil post, but it was
scholarly & interesting. Bohm's paper should be at least as
provocative, eh?
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Resonant Coil Implications?
Date: 6 Apr 91 05:23:00 GMT
> From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
>
.......
> someone tell me exactly what can happen within the distorted
> space-time
> that this Resonant Coil produces? What are the implications?
.......
> antigravity field with this coil, everything I've heard seems
> to indicate
> that such a coil is supposed to be able to modify the
> fundamental
> characteristics of matter itself.
Well, not so much the fundamental *characteristics* of matter, just
its *boundaries*. This is what I've been told by an experimenter.
In other words, power up the coil and turn it off suddenly and the
objects around the coil will be physically altered, possibly
displaced.
I agree that the only real test of this device will be a documented
test of the device. [...a quote from the guidelines of the
Department of Redundancy Department]
Funding, plans, materials and a safe test space are needed to do
this, and all of these issues are being addressed right now.
Stay *tuned*, Jim. :-)
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Serios Business
Date: 6 Apr 91 05:33:00 GMT
>
> evidence for fraud, and many hundreds of photographs as
> evidence
> of Serios' 'talents.' One of the key evidential factors was
> the
> *distortions* of space and time in many of the photos --
> 'dream-like' or "imagination-like" distortions and seamless
> composite images that positively could not have been faked by
> any
> mechanical means under the circusmtances. Also, many photos
> were
> made with the cameras at quite some distance from Serios, and
> in the
> hands of the investigators. Some of the pictures appeared as
> if
> taken from 'impossible' angles; from places where the cameras
> had
> never been positioned. There's more, too. *Much* more.
> Including a
> lot of pictures not previously published.
>
Hi! This message exchange is very interesting! I wonder, is anyone
familiar with the collection of "ghost" or "spirit" photos in the
possession of the Warrens of Monroe Connecticut? Yes, I'm talking
about the same Warrens who were involved in the Amityville Horror
fiasco, among other high-profile "hauntings", exorcisms, etc.
Some of their photos are really remarkable -- often they're "bad"
drugstore-type pix taken by people who later realize how very
strange the photos are. Many of the same characteristics of the
Serios photos, including impossible angles, bizarre juxtaposed
images, faces, etc.
I should add that the pictures range in age from 90 years or more to
quite recent. Whatever you thing about the Warrens' other interests
("demonology", possessions, etc.), the photos are definitely worth a
look. They take a good sampling of them on their lecture tours.
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Thanks, Jerry!
Date: 6 Apr 91 23:25:00 GMT
> CM> tell Elizabeth that I will contact Ft. Smith Chamber of
> ^^^^^
>
> It is NOT Fort Smith!!!! It is Fort Simpson!!!!! You confuse
> everybody if you write to the wrong chamber of commerce!!!
>
Well, in the words of America's elder statesman Richard Nixon, when
confronted with the Watergate Tapes:
"You know what I said...but *I* know what I meant" :-)
Best,
Clark
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