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From: cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: My enounters, opinions
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Date: 16 Jul 91 17:29:43 GMT
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This is my first time to post here, but I have held back so much stuff
so long I had too.. This will involve questions/comments for anyone and
everyone [gov't also] to comment on.
1. I had my first 'UFO encounter about 4 days ago when coming back from my
Church's mission trip. Riding home from church to home with my father.
This was on July 13, 1991. We were about 500 yds from our driveway
along the highway when all of the sudden [half a mile??] when we looked
up and saw this huge ultra-bright light [middle of the afternoon, clear
sky - almost due west about 30 degrees up]. My dad was really shocked,
he thought it might be landing lights of a plane.. but that bright? with
NO outline of wings or anything. There was a small low-flying Cessna
around there [we have a small landing strip here in Starkville, MS.. 30
miles from Columbus AFB [ATC]. We could not figure it out.. it got brighter
and brighter and brighter like coming closer, not ever moving from its
relative postion, then as we both gazed at it still driving, it slowly
'died out' and baout 45 sec. later it was gone, no plane or nothing. We
still can't figure it out, but as I think about it, I have always thought
over the years I have thought I have sen in-clear-daylight- very bright
lights [not by obvious sunlight reflection] but never thought anything about
it. We are still baffled.. anyone have any thoughts or comments.. Has this
happend to you?
2. About 3 weeks ago abouve our house all-day one day, there was this constant
helicoptering around. After about the 2nd time 'these' copters flew over
my family went out side to see. In front was an unmarked solid drab/black
copter resembling one of Magnum PI [Hughes??] anyway about 5-10 seconds later
4-5 at least totally unmarked looked-like Huey Cobras? flew behind. This went on for hours and hours, low to the ground. I asked a friend about thsi
unmarked stuff [ I have heard of unmarked ones following UFO's or govt'
test UFOs etc..] and he said the only unmarked copters are like a secret
FBI ground that 'doesn't exist]. My mother feared it was like Gov't looking
for drugs, etc.. but i dont know.. There were not dozens of copters just
a few totally black/drab unmarked. No Army bases near hear, we have Meridian
Naval Air Station and I think one in Jackson. :) Is this a typical encounter of others. Thanks for any input.
3. I firmly beleive UFOs/intelligent life exist, the evidence is overwhelming,
I think the most documented phonomena in world history and the GOVT is cov
ering up. My personal belief is that these creatures are demons/evil spirits/
in some physical bodies, as it seems by other posts, others beleive this
also. I am a Christian and have tried to weigh the evidence of what they
MIGHT be, and that is the only logical conclusion I could come up with.
4. What are these 'new' findings of JFK being shot from his car?
5. What is this about a coverup about MLK Jr?
6. Underground bases in the Colorados etc..
7. ANyone on here from Gulf Breeze and see UFO's all the time? I'd like
some info on stuff.
8. Is there an ftp site with archives of old _arge_ postings of stuff, the
ones like with 700 or so lines of stuff, I would be interested.
9. Arer there any UFO boards that I could subscribe to, any info would be
helpful.
Thanks to any who comment etc etc.
--
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--
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: About Roswell and the Govt. Coverup
Message-ID: <1991Jul17.054018.7055@bilver.uucp>
Date: 17 Jul 91 05:40:18 GMT
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>]>>from flimsy hearsay statements, as far as I know, there has been nothing. We
>]>>know something happened in Roswell and that its a military secret, there's
>]>>ample proof of that. But how do you get from military secret to UFO?
>]>>
>]>>... stuff deleted ...
>]>
>]>Mr Moore..it is plenty obvious to me that you haven't got a bloody clue!
>]>
>]>Go get some books and do your research!!
>]>
>I have read the book, Don, and, FYI, many, many more. I've got books, video
>tapes, reports, etc., I've been to sites and have interviewed witnesses like
>Lazar, etal. But you're right about me not having a clue. I couldn't tell
>you what's going on but I do know its not little green men from another
>planet who fly around the universe in UFOs. I claim there is _NO_ evidence
>to support this conclusion.
>]>I would most heartily recommend the Randle/Schmitt book, "UFO Crash
>]>at Roswell" that just came out in paperback and published by AVON
>]>books.
>Why? What do you think Randle and Schmitt added to this? We already knew
>something happened out there and its a military secret. Randle and Schmitt
>added more evidence but we don't need any more evidence about the military
>coverup. What we need is more about the alleged UFO crash.
>
>Randle and Schmitt added new second hand hearsay from an unnamed source but
>I found it flimsy. Is this what impressed you? Marcel's testimonty isn't
>new (I've had the tape for years) and neither is LaPaz's. Is there anything
>else? What do you think is the most compelling testimony or evidence in
>this case? (Not the military coverup part, the UFO part.)
>
>--Bill--
Hmmmm..You piqued my interest Bill..please answer me a question..are you
the Bill Moore that I see occasionally on the Fido UFO echo? Or are you
THE Bill Moore that has admitted to being a GOVT dis-info agent?
Or none of the above?
It's hard to tell you Moore's apart :-)
Now, if you be *the* Bill Moore..here's a little tidbit for you :-)
This most likely came of the Fido UFO echo not to long ago..'course
if you be *the* Bill Moore..then you would know something about the following:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 06-18-91 19:55
From: Ken Willoughby
I got a long letter from Paul Bennewitz in which he wanted
me to put this onto bbd. I am copying verbatim what he says:
--1) The Archeleta Base was raided by a Delta Force, and of the
The Aliens within were killed outright. I can not vouch for
some of this although I have absolute proof that it was. It is
said that a General, a U.S. officer; he apparently got into an
argument in that they, the Alien, were making Cocaine, instead
of making humanoids. Supposedly there was 16 Tons of piled
in one room. One of them, apparently, one he was talking to
used a Blaze Gun, which is similar to a minature flame thrower
and burned him severly. He sent his Aide to call for help and
the Delta Force was there in a very short time. When they saw
what happened, knowing the General had one leg near burned off,
attacked in a frenzy and killed at least 120 of them. Some of
the Delta Force were also burned badly, and some were lost due
to shock etc.,. They were apparently making the stuff so that
they could sell it on the street. In the final count, later,
apparently 8 Tons of the stuff was missing. There was a covert
landing strip just North of Archeleta and they were flying
it out of there. The troups blew the whole operation to hell
bringing down all entrances and totally destroyed the so call-
plastic worms, killing those within. All instrumentation was
destroyed. The whole area was closed and all people were bared
from the mountain; it is now administrated by the Drug Admin-
istration (U.S.), so it is finished. The air strip was plowed
and barricaded.
--2) About 80 escaped taking their ships with them; some were
out on patrol and thus they got away. 40 some odd established
thenselves in caves at Bear Mountain, in New Mexico. The rest
went to what is called, THE DOME, and are still at large.
--3) I have contacted the Secretary of Defense, and a Senator;
also General Jaco and the new Administrator at Kirtland. Some
is attached to give the Coordinates which are fairly accurate.
--4) Those that are in Bear Mountain, N.W. of Magdelena are raiding
raiding and attempting to gain entrance. The prime and important
point is that a humanoid who is in charge by the name CARAUCHE is
using a beam over the four hills area where I live and are hitting
people in the nerve endings that control the stomach's Hcl, or
hydrocloric acid causing the acid to come up the esophagus. Thus
causing one to either throw up or become badly burned in the mouth
and esophagus area. They hit at night and hit me last night.
Fortunately, I had some anti acid Mallox so it reduced the pain.
The odds are if they do it in this area, they will start elsewhere.
They are beginning to take victims and they have no processing
area yet, they are trying to sell them to other bases that still
exist.
They have been threatening me constantly trying to take
out the computers and continue all day. It appears that they
have also discovered that with a small beam that they can intrude
on a person's thought WITHOUT AN IMPLANT. They started to attack
me right after the raid which occurred about 2 years ago;
thinking that I was the one that instigated it. That was obviously
not true. They triggered the onslaught by shooting the General.
They also were very angry when I turned my back on them and threw
ALIEN DATA away. My reason? I just did not have a desire to study
IGNORANCE of humanoids, and intend never to do any more of it.
It's over with.
I am sending this to you in hopes that others may be
aware of what they should be on the guard for. Other than that
I am finished with them. ----- Paul Bennewitz
Postscript note: Ken Willoughby. When you study Paul's material,
you are left with a doubt who got to him.
* Origin: The Desert Dolphin WOCin New Mexico 505 523-2811 (1:305/105.0)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now, if you _aren't_ *the* Bill Moore..than consider this just an
amusement...if you are..you have a good deal of explaining to do
regarding Paul Bennewitz.
*My* amusement is watching all the govt MOLES and dis-info agents
who think they are going un-noticed in this newsgroup, try and
back-paddle as fast as they can :-)
So far, I've counted 5 of em'...including one in a real prominent place.
Oh,yeah...I forgot to mention the MAJIC word: HARVEST :-) :-) :-)
Don
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,misc.headlines,alt.conspiracy
Subject: INFO: Recent MUFON Conference recap - Chicago
Keywords: UFO
Message-ID: <1991Jul17.061923.7563@bilver.uucp>
Date: 17 Jul 91 06:19:23 GMT
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The following is a summary of the just-passed MUFON symposium held
at the Hyatt Regency O'Hare Hotel, in Chicago.
-----------Begin Included Text ------------------------------------------
MUFONET-BBS NETWORK MUTUAL UFO NETWORK
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CONFERENCE RECAP
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1991 MUFON INTERNATIONAL UFO SYMPOSIUM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Held At The Hyatt Regency O'Hare Hotel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
July 5,6,7 1991
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The 1991 MUFON Symposium, hosted by Illinois - MUFON, started out
on Friday with a press conference of local and national reporters
from newspapers and syndicated TV, with Walt Andrus as the
primary speaker, at around 1:00 pm.
The "Get Acquainted" reception started at 6:00, with many in
attendance, and lots of food/snacks spread on two huge tables in
the large Rosemont ballroom of the hotel. The majority of the
guest speakers were there, as were many MUFON members and others
who have an interest in UFOs or an aspect of the phenomena. This
reception lasted until around 9:00 pm. Friday was more or less a
check-in day for those arriving from other locales.
Saturday was the start of the symposium, with the affair opening
up with a welcome from Illinois - MUFON to all from Thomas
Stults, State Director, and the acting "Master of Ceremonies",
Forest Crawford, Assistant State Director.
(I won't include the actual times of the presentations, since
they were covered in the MUFON Journal).
Next were the speakers with their presentations:
DENNIS STACY:
Dennis made a presentation concerning Crop Circles, going into
the history of the phenomena, designs, associate phenomena such
as luminous shapes and colors, animal reactions, high-pitched or
humming sounds, electromagnetic interference effects, sensations
of 'invisible' fields, etc., and the theory of possible
intelligent development and/or communication.
ZECHARIA SITCHIN:
Zecharia's presentation focused on the theory of a connection
between the writings in the bible as a sort of log of visitation
of a civilization from another planet, the presence of a 12th
planet, the connection between the number 12 and the ancient
Greeks, bible, and findings from ancient cities such as Mesopot-
amia, Assyria and Babylon, to name a few.
MICHAEL D. SWORDS:
Michael's presentation concentrated on the hypothesis of
extraterrestrial presence in the makeup of the UFO enigma,
covering items such composition of meteorites, atmospheric makeup
of other planets along the possibility of sustaining some type of
'life', biochemical occurrences, genetically/chromosomal
possibilities, biophysical structures and E.T., and "what if"
other forms of life are in existence.
LINDA MOULTON HOWE:
Linda's presentation included a slide presentation of animal
mutilations along with discussion of alien intervention of life
forms on our planet, motives behind the abduction and mutilation
of animals and humans, and touched on the roles of abductees/
contactees and the communication they provide concerning the
presence and motives of these intruders.
JOHN A. ALTSHULER:
John's presentation also pertained to animal mutilations and the
resultant tissue changes found over the last 24 years, in animals
such as cattle, deer and rabbits. He discusses the variants of
tissue alterations associated with predation, cultist killings,
accidental death, and that area of "other" which comprises much
of what Linda and John are deeply involved in, alien intervention
of life on this planet.
JEAN-PIERRE PETIT:
This presentation focused on the recent UFO wave now occurring in
Belgium, with thousands of witnesses, and one wave covering two
days, November 29-30, 1989, which had over 900 cases of UFO
sightings with the craft within 1000 feet of the witnesses in
each instance. Jean discussed radar observation of objects, F-
16's being out maneuvered by craft, although the aircraft had
'locked-on' to the target, a discussion of the propulsion
techniques of UFOs, and the effect of air movement from a UFO as
opposed to conventional craft.
JOHN S. CARPENTER:
John's presentation focused on the clinical aspect of the
abductee phenomena, what observations are required from the
professional areas concerning diagnosing an abduction patient,
what can be ruled out in efforts of ascertaining the actual
causes of a patients trauma, the credibility factor of a patient,
hoaxes, and the application of hypnosis as a tool for
patient/doctor interaction.
STANTON T. FRIEDMAN:
Stanton's discussion concentrated on new information obtained
from 1989 onward concerning crashed craft, and touched on past
history of information from various sources and the media
representation of UFO information. Also discussed was some of
the 'behind-the-scenes' in the making of the documentaries "UFO
Cover UP? Live", "UFOs Are Real" and the "Unsolved Mysteries"
segments. A brief discussion of William Moore and his past and
present role in the scenario of investigations was included.
COLIN ANDREWS:
Colin did not present a published paper for the symposium, yet
offered a thrilling highlight to the proceedings when he showed a
video, shot from a hillside by a couple in England, of a
obviously metallic disk, approximately 6-10 inches in diameter,
weaving in, out, over and thru a crop field in daylight,
reflecting the sunlight as it maneuvered around the field,
crossed over to another field, was witnessed also by a farmer on
a tractor in the field, and lasted (on videotape) for 4-5
minutes. To say the least, this was amazing! Colin also
presented an audiotape of sounds originating as a crop circle was
being formed, and discerning the presence of two distinct sounds,
or notes, or pitches.
MICHAEL CHOROST:
Michael's paper focused on the theory of the investigation of
Crop Circles, ie., "Cereology", becoming a science and scientific
pursuit onto itself, based on the variety and complexity of the
information presently on hand concerning the formation of
circles. He concentrated on the formation of a 'structured'
foundation of scientists and researchers allowing interaction of
their knowledge and findings for all involved in the field.
Discussed were the past and present state of the investigations
and facts uncovered by many people and the complexity of the
different shapes the circles are now taking.
C.B. SCOTT JONES:
This discussion focused on the government involvement in UFO
information, suppression and dis-information, collaboration of
other governments with the U.S. government in cover-ups and
sharing of UFO-related informations and cases, and the analysis
and problems in handling a actual piece of metal from a craft,
and the findings found from the analysis, and the formation of an
international exchange policy for sharing research.
DAVID M. JACOBS:
Dr. Jacobs dissertation dealt with the clinical and psychological
aspects of the abductee phenomenon, the separating of reality
from imagination in the witnesses/patients, the complexity of
hypnosis in ascertaining valid retrieval of information,
abductee's accounts of their experiences, descriptions of aliens,
conversations held with their captors, channeled communication,
interpretation of alien thoughts, and the relationship of an
abductee's experiences with objective reality and their
perception of same.
GENE M. PHILLIPS:
This discussion concentrated on the "Plain of Nazca", located
between the towns of Palpa and Nazca, in the province of Ica,
approximately 300 miles south of Lima, Peru. The presentation
was basically a rebuttal to the Nova TV Program titled "The Case
of the Ancient Astronauts", originally shown by Public
Broadcasting Stations in 1978, and aired repeatedly thereafter.
Mr. Phillips discussed the history of the findings at the Plain,
and theorized at the reason for their existence.
BRUCE S. MACCABEE:
Dr. Maccabee presented the factual, overall picture of the
experiences of those around Gulf Breeze, Florida, with it's over
260 UFO sightings since November 1987, which included perhaps
three times as many witnesses. Ed Walters and his family had been
involved in only a small fraction of those sightings, but because
of the pictures taken by Ed, and the resultant publicity focused
on him by the various media, the world associated Ed's
experiences with all the happenings at Gulf breeze, when actually
he was just "one of the many witnesses" involved. Dr. Maccabee
rectified this 'commercial image' of the Gulf Breeze experience
by taking Ed Walters out of the picture and showed what has and
is actually happening in the area. Yes, Gulf breeze is real
without "ED!"
The symposium ended with a "Question and Answer" Panel composed
of all speakers with Forest Crawford as Moderator, and an
invitation for all to the 1992 MUFON International UFO Symposium
to be held in Albuquerque, New Mexico, dates to be determined.
John Komar
State Director/Tennessee - MUFON
Administrator - MUFONET-BBS network
=END=
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,misc.headlines,alt.conspiracy
Subject: INFO: Recent MUFON Conference recap - Chicago
Keywords: UFO
Message-ID: <1991Jul17.061923.7563@bilver.uucp>
Date: 17 Jul 91 06:19:23 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Lines: 221
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The following is a summary of the just-passed MUFON symposium held
at the Hyatt Regency O'Hare Hotel, in Chicago.
-----------Begin Included Text ------------------------------------------
MUFONET-BBS NETWORK MUTUAL UFO NETWORK
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CONFERENCE RECAP
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1991 MUFON INTERNATIONAL UFO SYMPOSIUM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Held At The Hyatt Regency O'Hare Hotel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
July 5,6,7 1991
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The 1991 MUFON Symposium, hosted by Illinois - MUFON, started out
on Friday with a press conference of local and national reporters
from newspapers and syndicated TV, with Walt Andrus as the
primary speaker, at around 1:00 pm.
The "Get Acquainted" reception started at 6:00, with many in
attendance, and lots of food/snacks spread on two huge tables in
the large Rosemont ballroom of the hotel. The majority of the
guest speakers were there, as were many MUFON members and others
who have an interest in UFOs or an aspect of the phenomena. This
reception lasted until around 9:00 pm. Friday was more or less a
check-in day for those arriving from other locales.
Saturday was the start of the symposium, with the affair opening
up with a welcome from Illinois - MUFON to all from Thomas
Stults, State Director, and the acting "Master of Ceremonies",
Forest Crawford, Assistant State Director.
(I won't include the actual times of the presentations, since
they were covered in the MUFON Journal).
Next were the speakers with their presentations:
DENNIS STACY:
Dennis made a presentation concerning Crop Circles, going into
the history of the phenomena, designs, associate phenomena such
as luminous shapes and colors, animal reactions, high-pitched or
humming sounds, electromagnetic interference effects, sensations
of 'invisible' fields, etc., and the theory of possible
intelligent development and/or communication.
ZECHARIA SITCHIN:
Zecharia's presentation focused on the theory of a connection
between the writings in the bible as a sort of log of visitation
of a civilization from another planet, the presence of a 12th
planet, the connection between the number 12 and the ancient
Greeks, bible, and findings from ancient cities such as Mesopot-
amia, Assyria and Babylon, to name a few.
MICHAEL D. SWORDS:
Michael's presentation concentrated on the hypothesis of
extraterrestrial presence in the makeup of the UFO enigma,
covering items such composition of meteorites, atmospheric makeup
of other planets along the possibility of sustaining some type of
'life', biochemical occurrences, genetically/chromosomal
possibilities, biophysical structures and E.T., and "what if"
other forms of life are in existence.
LINDA MOULTON HOWE:
Linda's presentation included a slide presentation of animal
mutilations along with discussion of alien intervention of life
forms on our planet, motives behind the abduction and mutilation
of animals and humans, and touched on the roles of abductees/
contactees and the communication they provide concerning the
presence and motives of these intruders.
JOHN A. ALTSHULER:
John's presentation also pertained to animal mutilations and the
resultant tissue changes found over the last 24 years, in animals
such as cattle, deer and rabbits. He discusses the variants of
tissue alterations associated with predation, cultist killings,
accidental death, and that area of "other" which comprises much
of what Linda and John are deeply involved in, alien intervention
of life on this planet.
JEAN-PIERRE PETIT:
This presentation focused on the recent UFO wave now occurring in
Belgium, with thousands of witnesses, and one wave covering two
days, November 29-30, 1989, which had over 900 cases of UFO
sightings with the craft within 1000 feet of the witnesses in
each instance. Jean discussed radar observation of objects, F-
16's being out maneuvered by craft, although the aircraft had
'locked-on' to the target, a discussion of the propulsion
techniques of UFOs, and the effect of air movement from a UFO as
opposed to conventional craft.
JOHN S. CARPENTER:
John's presentation focused on the clinical aspect of the
abductee phenomena, what observations are required from the
professional areas concerning diagnosing an abduction patient,
what can be ruled out in efforts of ascertaining the actual
causes of a patients trauma, the credibility factor of a patient,
hoaxes, and the application of hypnosis as a tool for
patient/doctor interaction.
STANTON T. FRIEDMAN:
Stanton's discussion concentrated on new information obtained
from 1989 onward concerning crashed craft, and touched on past
history of information from various sources and the media
representation of UFO information. Also discussed was some of
the 'behind-the-scenes' in the making of the documentaries "UFO
Cover UP? Live", "UFOs Are Real" and the "Unsolved Mysteries"
segments. A brief discussion of William Moore and his past and
present role in the scenario of investigations was included.
COLIN ANDREWS:
Colin did not present a published paper for the symposium, yet
offered a thrilling highlight to the proceedings when he showed a
video, shot from a hillside by a couple in England, of a
obviously metallic disk, approximately 6-10 inches in diameter,
weaving in, out, over and thru a crop field in daylight,
reflecting the sunlight as it maneuvered around the field,
crossed over to another field, was witnessed also by a farmer on
a tractor in the field, and lasted (on videotape) for 4-5
minutes. To say the least, this was amazing! Colin also
presented an audiotape of sounds originating as a crop circle was
being formed, and discerning the presence of two distinct sounds,
or notes, or pitches.
MICHAEL CHOROST:
Michael's paper focused on the theory of the investigation of
Crop Circles, ie., "Cereology", becoming a science and scientific
pursuit onto itself, based on the variety and complexity of the
information presently on hand concerning the formation of
circles. He concentrated on the formation of a 'structured'
foundation of scientists and researchers allowing interaction of
their knowledge and findings for all involved in the field.
Discussed were the past and present state of the investigations
and facts uncovered by many people and the complexity of the
different shapes the circles are now taking.
C.B. SCOTT JONES:
This discussion focused on the government involvement in UFO
information, suppression and dis-information, collaboration of
other governments with the U.S. government in cover-ups and
sharing of UFO-related informations and cases, and the analysis
and problems in handling a actual piece of metal from a craft,
and the findings found from the analysis, and the formation of an
international exchange policy for sharing research.
DAVID M. JACOBS:
Dr. Jacobs dissertation dealt with the clinical and psychological
aspects of the abductee phenomenon, the separating of reality
from imagination in the witnesses/patients, the complexity of
hypnosis in ascertaining valid retrieval of information,
abductee's accounts of their experiences, descriptions of aliens,
conversations held with their captors, channeled communication,
interpretation of alien thoughts, and the relationship of an
abductee's experiences with objective reality and their
perception of same.
GENE M. PHILLIPS:
This discussion concentrated on the "Plain of Nazca", located
between the towns of Palpa and Nazca, in the province of Ica,
approximately 300 miles south of Lima, Peru. The presentation
was basically a rebuttal to the Nova TV Program titled "The Case
of the Ancient Astronauts", originally shown by Public
Broadcasting Stations in 1978, and aired repeatedly thereafter.
Mr. Phillips discussed the history of the findings at the Plain,
and theorized at the reason for their existence.
BRUCE S. MACCABEE:
Dr. Maccabee presented the factual, overall picture of the
experiences of those around Gulf Breeze, Florida, with it's over
260 UFO sightings since November 1987, which included perhaps
three times as many witnesses. Ed Walters and his family had been
involved in only a small fraction of those sightings, but because
of the pictures taken by Ed, and the resultant publicity focused
on him by the various media, the world associated Ed's
experiences with all the happenings at Gulf breeze, when actually
he was just "one of the many witnesses" involved. Dr. Maccabee
rectified this 'commercial image' of the Gulf Breeze experience
by taking Ed Walters out of the picture and showed what has and
is actually happening in the area. Yes, Gulf breeze is real
without "ED!"
The symposium ended with a "Question and Answer" Panel composed
of all speakers with Forest Crawford as Moderator, and an
invitation for all to the 1992 MUFON International UFO Symposium
to be held in Albuquerque, New Mexico, dates to be determined.
John Komar
State Director/Tennessee - MUFON
Administrator - MUFONET-BBS network
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From: cn0n@speech.cs.cmu.edu (Cynthia K Neelan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: My enounters, opinions
Message-ID: <1991Jul17.133155.4184@cs.cmu.edu>
Date: 17 Jul 91 13:31:55 GMT
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In article <1201@ra.MsState.Edu> cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister) writes:
> 3. I firmly beleive UFOs/intelligent life exist, the evidence is
overwhelming,
> I think the most documented phonomena in world history and the GOVT is cov
> ering up. My personal belief is that these creatures are demons/evil
spirits/
> in some physical bodies, as it seems by other posts, others beleive this
> also. I am a Christian and have tried to weigh the evidence of what they
> MIGHT be, and that is the only logical conclusion I could come up with.
I don't think that logic had much to do with it.
cin
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
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Date: 17 Jul 91 16:11:47 GMT
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ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <jms.5137@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>> There have allegedly been other crashes since Roswell.
>> There were (allegedly) a few more in the west in the '40s and (I think)
>> '50s, and one in Pennsylvania in the '60s. There are also *extremely*
>> dubious stories of very recent crashes in Canada and South Africa.
>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
Well, see their ships are ozone powered... :-)
What's even stranger is that they continually pick up
and mutilate cattle... What sort of info do they gain from their
7,893rd cow?
I think I'll rent _Communion_ and _Close Encounters_ tonight
and watch them back-to-back (but which one FIRST)? That should
scare my sister and brother... :-)
BBC
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Subject: Re: FILE: WPAT.TXT - UFO's at Wright Patterson?
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Why do you suppose the military never responds to these posts? I have
no doubt that someone in the Air Force is reading these things. I am
also aware that whoever is reading them probably does not have the
authority to make a statement regarding AF policy, but were this any
other media I guarantee you'd hear from a spokesperson.
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| "You've got wonderful bones, great eyes, and you | Mike Stangel |
| dress really interestingly." | m-stangel@uiuc.edu |
| | koosh forever! |
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.paranormal,misc.headlines
Subject: FILE: ALIEN-TYPES.TXT
Keywords: UFO GREYS REPTOIDS HUMANOIDS POD PEOPLE COUNTERFEITS TARES
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. The
content of this information does NOT necessarily reflect the personal
views of the poster,nor should the views,opinions,statements or claims
represented in the following be accepted by anyone reading these texts
at *face* value. If this interests you, please endeavor to research it
yourself and investigate it to *your* satisfaction, and as such I will
leave it in your hands to either prove it or de-bunk it :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
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Filename: Alien-Types.Txt
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MUFONET-BBS network - Mutual UFO Network
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ALIEN DESCRIPTIONS - VARIETIES
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[Note: This is a message from a participant of the CONTACT Echo, discussing
the types of aliens and their descriptions.]
Date: 01-01-91 14:04
From: Sandy Barbre
Subj: DESCRIPTIONS: ALIEN
Below please find a copy of a variety of alien beings descriptions put on the
UFO echo by David House.... I thought you might find some of this interesting
and I know that a few of you don't get the UFO echo or just don't read it.
Okay...here goes...
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by David House
VARIETIES OF ALIEN BEINGS KNOWN TO "INTERACT" WITH HUMANS
AND SUPPOSEDLY INVOLVED IN INFLUENCING HUMAN AFFAIRS.
DISCLAIMER: I make no claims for the accuracy of this list and express no
personal opinion on the matter. It was given to me as "accurate information"
and I just wanted to pass it along to anyone who might find it interesting or
otherwise useful. I'd appreciate any feedback you'd care to share with me if
you wish to proceed in a civilized manner.
ALIEN TYPE 1: The Greys. Of this type there are several sub-types. All tend
to appear greyish in color and for this reason are referred to as "greys."
GREY TYPE A: This is the type most commonly referred to as the greys. Also
known as Zeta Reticuli from the Zeta Reticulan star system (the Bernard star)
neighboring the Orion area. They function in a mode that is apparently
military in nature with a rigidly defined social structure that holds science
and "conquering worlds" to be the prime movers. They are normally about 4.5
ft tall with large heads and black "wrap around" eyes. They have limited
facial features, slit mouth and no nose to speak of. They have evolved beyond
the need for reproductive systems or digestive systems and reproduce by
cloning. Their genetics are partly based on insectoidal genetics.
Their science deals largely with the study of other life forms and
genetic engineering. They have supposedly had a part to play in the
alteration of human genetics over thousands of years. It seems that they
may be trying to cross breed with humans in order to create a "mixture race"
that would be better than either. (I've read that they are a dying
species, that have cloned so much that now, with each successive cloning,
the species grows weaker. They are trying to infuse new life into their
species by creating the mixed breed.)
There seem to be two main social classes. One is the more hawkish and is
more abrupt, crude and blunt. The more dove-like ones are more refined and
capable of a more business-like behavior towards humans, and prefer to use
more "diplomatic" behavior to gain control over human's. This type of Grey is
what I believe is being referred to as the "Orange" class of Greys.
They seem to be emotionless (by human standards) and therefore are seen as
cruel in their treatment of human beings. They are able to take human lives
without any regard for that individual. They apparently can use certain
substances of the human body for their sustenance and therefore appear to be
carnivorous in regards to humans. (I also read that they extract fluid from
some part of the human brain during intense emotional response [fear] and are
able to use it like a recreational drug.)
It is my understanding that these greys are actually servants to a master
race of reptilian-type aliens and are trying to prepare the earth for their
arrival by gaining control over the earth through many means. They tend to
enjoy the feeling of freedom they have on earth, away from their masters and
would desire the help of humans in confrontations with the reptilians...which
appears to be a consideration for the near future (mid 90's.)
These greys have their best known bases in New Mexico and Nevada but are
also known to have bases in many countries of the world.
GREY TYPE B: Tall Greys from Orion. Usually about 7 to 8 ft. tall (reports
often exaggerate their height as being 9 to 12 ft.) with facial feature
somewhat similar to grey type A with the exception of the large nose found on
type B greys. These greys also have technologies that allow them to perform
certain actions that appear "miraculous." These greys are less viscous
towards humans than type A greys (but are still considered "hostile".) They
tend to influence more through political controls and negotiated agreements
with those in power. Their main bases seem to be in the Aleutian Islands.
These are the type seen not long ago in Eastern Russia.
GREY TYPE C: These are the shortest of the greys and tend to be about 3.5
ft. tall. Their facial features are very similar to the Zeta Reticuli greys
and are of the same "root race.". They are just as hostile to humans as the
Zetas. They are from a star system near the shoulder of Orion called
Bellatrax.
ALIEN TYPE 2: THE REPTILIANS: A genetics akin to reptiles, these are highly
advanced entities but viewed as being of a negative, hostile or dangerous
disposition since they regard humans as a totally inferior race. They would
perceive us much the way we would perceive a herd of cattle. They are
carnivorous in regard to humans. There is supposedly a "driven" planetoid or
asteroid inhabited by 30 million of these lizard-folk that is to enter our
solar system in the mid 90's if the present schedule is kept.
They consider earth to be their own ancient outpost and would expect to
have complete control of the entire planet upon their return. Their own
planet is becoming unable to adequately support life and they need somewhere
else to live. These are the aliens who are served by the type A greys.
ALIEN TYPE 3: HUMAN TYPE ALIENS
HUMAN TYPE A: These are of a genetic base similar to humans of earth. They
appear of "normal" height (5-6ft?) and tend to be fair-skinned with blonde
hair. These entities have been abducted by the greys or are the offspring of
abductees and have been trained by the greys as servants. These entities are
totally subservient to the greys.
HUMAN TYPE B: These are aliens of similar genetics to earth humans and also,
it seems, of the humans that serve the greys. These are from the Pleiades and
are also of the blonde, fair-skinned appearance. This type is of a genuine
highly evolved, spiritual, benevolent variety and have a kinship toward humans
and are the only aliens to be truly trusted by earth humans at this time. They
had at one time offered to be of assistance to earth leaders in dealing with
the alien situation here but were rebuffed and so have taken a kind of "hands
off" approach for the time being. These aliens are supposedly the forefather
race of humankind. These are apparently not on earth much at this time due to
serious problems in the area of their home.
HUMAN TYPE C: Very little is known about these. They are supposedly another
of the highly evolved, spiritual type of great benevolence to earth humans. I
understand that their appearance is similar to other human-type aliens. They
are from Sirius and don't appear to be much involved with earth happenings at
this time other than being concerned about the Grey scenario. They could
desire to be of help to humans.
There are other known human type aliens of this "more highly spiritually
evolved" nature that are apparently aware of the situation on earth and
considering some possible course of action. These are from Arcturus and Vega.
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Don
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From: ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: A way out of here.
Message-ID: <91198.220255ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: 18 Jul 91 02:02:55 GMT
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In article <91197.093313JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU says:
>They say they have a planet called PC22 that is a lot like our
>Earth was l50 years ago. They say by l994 they will bring their
>space ships and anyone can go that so desires. I'll leave you
'Don't go....To Serve Man....it's a cookbook!!'
(thanks Harlan)
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Drive System & Navigation
Message-ID: <jms.5205@vanth.UUCP>
Date: 17 Jul 91 03:47:01 GMT
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In article <1991Jul15.172342.485@kcbbs.gen.nz> sheepsqueezer@kcbbs.gen.nz (Colin Jones) writes:
>I seem to remember that when Don Allen posted a list of MUFONet files
>there were some interesting-looking ones about gravity/antigravity (&
>I think one about vacuum energy) in the general science section. Perhaps
>it would be possible for someone to post them on the net? (Don are you
>up to it? :-) Then all of us who are interested in drives could discuss
>them. I'd do it myself, but unfortunately I can't get there from here
I haven't been around long enough to have seen the filelist, but chances
are I've seen some of these files. I have quite a collection of files on
such subjects, and I was thinking about posting a few of them myself, and
might yet if I can remember where I put them :-) Of course, if Don wants
to beat me to it...
How about it, guys? Do you want some speculative files on UFO propulsion?
Off the top of my head, I have one on an electromagnetic drive based on
Tesla's ideas, one on graviton/tachyon drives that appears to have been
channeled, and one that goes through several stages from down-to-earth to
the extremely bizarre. I've also got a file describing how to build a
spacetime warping coil (I have no idea if it's ever been done
successfully.)
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From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,misc.headlines,sci.energy
Subject: SOURCE INFO: Tesla publications - list 1
Keywords: Lindsay Publications Inc.
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This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation
of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. The
content of this information does NOT necessarily reflect the personal
views of the poster,nor should the views,opinions,statements or claims
represented in the following be accepted by anyone reading these texts
at *face* value. If this interests you, please endeavor to research it
yourself and investigate it to *your* satisfaction, and as such I will
leave it in your hands to either prove it or de-bunk it :-)
As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups
exclusively, comments to me should be directed to dona@bilver.uucp
in mail.
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What follows is some source info on where to find publications
on/about/regarding Nikola Tesla.
PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS BEING PUBLISHED FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY!
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Alfred A. Skrocki
April 26, 1991
This is a list of literature on Nikola Tesla and related material,
currently available from Lindsay Publications Inc. with a brief
description of each reference. Any of the publications listed can be
ordered from:
Lindsay Publications Inc.
P.O. Box 12
Bradley IL 60915-0012
Thay charge 75 cents shipping for the first book and 25 cents for
each additional book. Thay accept VISA and MasterCharge and do C.O.D.
their Phone-order number is (815)468-3668 their FAX number is
(815)468-3694 . All their books have a satisfaction gaurantee! Be sure
to get on their mailing list for their "Electrical Books" catalog, and
tell them about the Tesla BBS (Who knows, Thay may list it in one of
their future catalogs)
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Build your Own Laser, Phaser, Ion Ray Gun...
by Robert E. Lannini
TAB Books
Contains the plains to build many devices listed in the "Information
Unlimited, Inc." catalog, including a 250,000 volt Tesla coil, a solid-
state Tesla coil, ruby lasers, solid state lasers, a CO2 IR laser, LED
laser simulators, Ultrasonic pain field generators, Magnetic field
distortion detector, an IR viewer, and a variety of "bugs".
8 x 0 1/2 paperback, 390 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 346 $17.95
Electrical Designs
Articles From American Electrician Magazine 1901
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
Numerous plans for motors, ammeters, watt meters, galvanometers,
a Wimhust influence machine, a condenser for extremely high potentials,
and an article on the construction of a Tesla - Thompson high frequency
coil.
5 1/2 x 11 paperback, 262 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4228 $11.50
Electricity at High Pressures and Frequencies
by Henry L. Transtrom 1921
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
Not much how-to, but descriptions on existing equipment in 1921, with
theory, calculations on performance and numerous photos. First chapter
devoted to principles of electricity in simplified terms. many photos
of high voltage experiments.
5 x 7 paperback, 264 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 20544 $11.95
Experiments With Alternate Currents of High Potential & High Frequency
by Nikola Tesla
A reprint of the Lecture delivered by Tesla before the Institution
of Electrical Engineers, London, with an appendix on the
transmission of electrical energy without wire. The last fourteen
pages is a reprint of Tesla's article from the March 5, 1904 issue
of "Electrical World and Engineer" complete with photographs of Tesla's
experimental apparatus at the Colorado Springs and Long Island
laboratories.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 170 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4392 $9.95
High Frequency Apparatus
by Thomas Stanley Curtis 1916
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc. 1988
Much discussion on the constituent parts of Tesla coils with details on
construction of everything from the High voltage primary transformer to
the Winding of the Tesla coil secondary. Several detailed plans for large
Tesla coils (fifty inch sparks) and a large chapter on the use of the
Tesla coil in stage acts and High Frequency Plant Culture. Well
illustrated.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 247 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 20030 $11.95
High Power Wireless Equipment
by Alfred Morgan
Popular Electricity Magazine 1910-1911
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
A compiliation of articles that appeared in Popular Electricity Magazine
dealing with Spark-gap transmitters and how to build them from the ground
up! Includes chapters on; Tesla and his Wireless Age and Construction of
the Tesla High Frequency Apparatus.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 99 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4953 $9.95
Inventions, Researches & Writings of Nikola Tesla
by Thomas Commerford Martin 1893
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
A comprehensive collection of Tesla's work up to 1893. Contains
chapters on; Polyphase currents, Tesla effects with High Frequency
and High Potential Currents (including transcriptions of all of
Tesla's lectures on High frequency and High potential currents up to
1893, Miscellaneous Inventions and Writings (including Tesla's Thermo
and Pyro-magnetic motors),and an Appendix on Early Phase Motors and
the Tesla Oscillators (covering Tesla's personal exhibit at the
Chicago Worlds Fair and Tesla's mechanical and electrical oscillators.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 496 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4902 $16.95
Lakhovsky Multi-Wave Oscillator Handbook
compiled by Thomas J. Brown
A typewritten report covering history, wiring diagrams, construction
tips, reprints of the Lakhovsky patents, "documented" cases of cure,
and a series of reprinted magazine articles on the use of radio frequency
waves to cure diseases.
8 1/2 x 11 spiral bound, 156 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 357 $16.95
Mechanics Notebook 20 - Old Magazine Plans
reprinted by Lindsay Publications Inc.
Construction plans gleamed from; "Everyday Engineering Magazine",
"Electrical Experimenter","Practical Electrics and "Science and
Invention" covering the period of September 1918 to February 1926.
Mostly of interest to machinists, but includes plans for a twenty
four inch Tesla coil.
8 1/2 x 11 booklet 22 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 848 $5.95
Plans & Instructions to Build the -
"Mini" Tesla Electric Spark Coil
by John F. Nuyen
A small typewritten booklet by an experimenter on building a Tesla
coil using a Model-T ignition coil, the Tesla Coil itself uses 8 guage
wire for the primary and 34 gauge wire on a sixteen inch length of PVC
tubing. A "home-grown" publication.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 booklet, 16 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 374 $4.00
Plans & Instructions to Build the -
High Frequency Electric Coil
by John F. Nuyen
A small typewritten booklet by an experimenter on building an Oudin
coil using a Model-T ignition coil, the Oudin Coil itself uses 8 guage
wire for the primary and 34 gauge wire on a paper tube. A "home-grown"
publication.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 booklet, 16 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 375 $4.00
Space Energy Recievers
by Simplified Technology Service
Most of the devices described were built to defraud gullible investors.
There is a brief description on Tesla's Free-energy reciever. Other devices
described include; the Moray unit, the Yglesias machine, Hartwig's pendulum
observations, Perrigo's machine, the Mushroom generator, and a British
report on a World War II German machine. Has photos, diagrams and a list
of experimentors.
8 1/2 x 11 booklet, 21 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 882 $4.50
Tesla: The Lost Inventions
by George Trinkaus 1988
High Voltage Press
contains a brief history of Tesla's various endevors and brief
overviews of; Tesla's Turbine, Spark-Gap oscillator, The Tesla coil,
Magnifying Transmitter, Tesla's High Frequency lighting devices,
Transportation (including Tesla's Vertical take-off and landing plane)
and Tesla's Free-energy reciever.
8 1/2 x 7 booklet, 34 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4317 $6.95
Tesla Coil
by George Trinkaus
High Voltage Press
Contains a brief overview of Tesla, his career and his coil.
Instructions on building a Tesla coil using a neon sign transformer
and a spark gap to drive the primary. Contains brief discussions on;
glass and foil capacitors, oil capacitors, salt-water capacitors,
series and rotary spark gaps, Tesla's Magnifying transmiter,
a schematic for a 6L6 tube driven coil and an ozone disinfector.
7 x 8 1/2 booklet, 21 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 741 $4.95
Tesla Coil Secrets - Construction notes and novel uses
by R. A. Ford
Lindsay Publications Inc. 1985
Numerous Tesla coil plans, covering everything from a miniature coil
wound on a 5 3/4 inch testube to a four foot coil yielding fifty four
inch sparks! Several designs for spark gaps,including rotary and quenched
gaps. Many examples of experiments with Tesla coils and discussion on
experiments in wireless power, electrotheraputics, and electroculture.
5 1/2 x 8 1/2 paperback, 74 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 4317 $6.95
Tesla - Man Out of Time
by Margaret Chaney 1981
Prentice-Hall,Inc.
An extensive biography on Tesla covering much material released by the
Freedom of Information Act, and material gleamed from the references in
the bibliography on Tesla that Margret Chaney served as Co-editor for.
mass-market paperback, 310 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 717 $5.95
The Very Best From The Electrical Experimenter 1916-1917
anthology by Lindsay Publications Inc.
A compiliation of articles on spark-gap transmitters and Tesla coils
gleamed from Electrical Experimenter magazine. Articles on; Spark-gaps,
rotary spark-gaps, a bottle Tesla coil, a thirty six inch spark Tesla
coil for lecturers, a 1/4 KW Oudin coil, construction of Tesla coils
for medical and lecture use, use of Tesla coils in treatment of diseases,
Dr. Tesla and his achievements, Lightning made to order, Tesla's views
on electricity and war, and an article on Reginald A. Fressenden.
8 1/2 x 11 paperback, 108 pages
Lindsay Publications Cat. no. 20137 $9.95
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April 1991
Bearden, T, E. Fer-De-Lance: A Briefing on Soviet Scaler Electromagnetic
Weapons. Tesla Book Co., 1986.
225 p. / ill. $27.50
Cheney, Margaret. Tesla: Man out of Time. Hippocrene Books, Inc., 3/90
320 p. $18.95
Cheney, Margaret. Tesla, man out of time.
/ Margaret Cheney. -- Englewood Cliffs, N.J. : Prentice-Hall, c1981.
Commander X. Nikola Tesla: Free Energy & the White Dove.
Global Communications, 12 / 90
130 p. $8.95
Corum, James F. TCTUTOR: A Personal Computer Analysis of Spark Gap Tesla
Coils. Corum & Associates, Inc,. 12/88
96 p. / ill. $75.00
Corum, James F. Vacuum Tube Tesla Coils. Corum & Associates, Inc,. 12/88
130 p. / paperback / ill. $55.00
Hunt, Inez. Lightning in His Hands: The Life Story of Nikola Tesla.
Angriff Press,
paperback $5.00
Johnston, Benjamin H. And in Creating Live : The Early Life of Nikola Tesla.
Hart Brothers Publishing, 6/90
175 p. / ill. $8.95
Martin, T. C. Inventions, Reaserches & Writings of Nikola Tesla. Gordon Press
Publishers, 10/86
Library binding $250.00
Martin, Thomas Commerford, 1856-1924.
The inventions, researches, and writing of Nikola Tesla, with special reference
to his work in polyphase currents and high potential lighting.
/ by Thomas Commerford Martin. -- Hawthorne, Ca.
Omni Publications ; (New York : distributed by W. S. Heinman), 1977.
O'Neil, John J. The Prodigal Genius: The Life of Nikola Tesla.
Angriff Press,
326 p. / paperback $6.00
O'Neil, John J. The Prodigal Genius: The Life and Mind of Nikola Tesla.
Gordon Press Publishers, 11/86
Library binding $79.95
Phillips, Mark, ed. Tesla - Mechanical Resonance: Bass Guitar. Cherry Lane
Books,
71 p. / paperback / ill. $14.95
Phillips, Mark, ed. Tesla - The Great Radio Controversy: Guitar - Vocal.
Cherry Lane Books,
102 p. / paperback / ill. $16.95
Ratzlaff, John T., ed. Tesla: Complete Patents. Gordon Press Publishers, 8/86
Library binding $125.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Tesla Said. Tesla Book Co., 4/84
paperback $28.00
Ratzlaff, John T. ed. Dr. Nikola Tesla-Selected Patent Wrappers from the
National Archives. Tesla Book Co., 1981.
paperback $60.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Dr. Nikola Tesla Bibliography. Ragusan Press, 1979.
248 p. / paperback $18.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Dr. Nikola Tesla. Tesla Book Co., 10/79.
paperback / ill. $20.00
Ratzlaff, John T. Dr. Nikola Tesla--Complete Patents. 2nd ed. Tesla Book Co.,
500 p. / Library binding / ill. $35.00
Tesla, Nikola. The Problem of Increasing Human Energy, with Special Reference
to Harnessing the Sun's Energy. Revisionist Press, 3/91.
Library binding $75.00
Tesla, Nikola. The Tesla Coil. Revisionist Press, 3/91.
Library binding $75.00
Tesla, Nikola. Catalogue of Patents: A. Radmila. Vanous, Arthur, Co., 1988.
62 p. $10.00
Tesla, Nikola. Museum Catalogue - Museum. Vanous, Arthur, Co., 1987.
30 p.
Tesla, Nikola. Expirements with Alternating Currents. Gordon Press
Publishers, 7/86
Library binding $250.00
Tesla, Nikola. Nikola Tesla: Colorado Springs Notes 1899-1900. Gordon Press
Publishers, 8/86
Library binding $250.00
Cheney, Margaret. Tesla: Man out of Time. Dell Publishing Co., Inc, 8/83
320 p. $18.95
Tesla, Nikola. My Inventions: The Autobiography of Nikola Tesla. Hart Bothers
Publishing. 10/82
110 p. / paperback / ill. $10.00
Bearden, T E. Solutions to Tesla's Secrets & the Soviet Tesla Weapons with
Reference Articles for Solutions to Tesla's Secrets. Tesla Book Co., 1/82
188 p. / paperback / ill. $14.00
Norman, Ruth E. Tesla Speaks. Unarius Publications, 1973.
ill.
Tesla, Nikola. Tribute to: Museum. Vanous, Arthur, Co., 1961.
572 p. $60.00
Hayes, Jeffery A. Boundary Layer Breakthrough: The Bladeless Tesla Turbine.
High Energy Enterprises
184 p. / Tesla tech. ser.; Vol2 $19.95
Tesla, Nikola. Colorado Springs Notes 1899 - 1900. Angriff Press, [?]
440 p. $40.00
Tesla, Nikola. Experiments with A. C. & Transmission of Electric Energy
Without Wires. Angriff Press,
162 p. $10.00
Tesla, Nikola. Inventions, Researches, & Writings. Angriff Press, $14.00
Tesla, Nikola. The Problem of Increasing Human Energy. High Energy
Enterprises,
96 p. / paperback / ill. $9.95
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THE GREATEST HACKER OF ALL TIME
by Dave Small
(c) 1987 Reprinted from Current Notes magazine.
The question comes up from time to time. "Who's the
greatest hacker ever? "Well, there's a lot of different opinions
on this. Some say Steve Wozniak of Apple II fame. Maybe Andy
Hertzfeld of the Mac operating system. Richard Stallman, say
others, of MIT. Yet at such times when I mention who I think the
greatest hacker is, everyone agrees (provided they know of him),
and there's no further argument. So, let me introduce you to him,
and his greatest hack. I'll warn you right up front that it's
mind numbing. By the way, everything I'm going to tell you is
true and verifiable down at your local library. Don't worry --
we're not heading off into a Shirley MacLaine UFO-land story.
Just some classy electrical engineering...
THE SCENE: COLORADO SPRINGS, CO.
Colorado Springs is in southern Colorado, about 70 mile
south of Denver. These days it is known as the home of several
optical disk research corporations and of NORAD, the missile
defense command under Cheyenne Mountain. (I have a personal
interest in Colorado Springs; my wife Sandy grew up there.)
These events took place some time ago in Colorado Springs. A
scientist had moved into town and set up a laboratory on Hill
Street, on the southern outskirts. The lab had a two hundred
foot copper antenna sticking up out of it, looking something like
a HAM radio enthusiast's antenna. He moved in and started work.
And strange electrical things happened near that lab. People
would walk near the lab, and sparks would jump up from the ground
to their feet, through the soles of their shoes. One boy took a
screwdriver, held it near a fire hydrant, and drew a four inch
electrical spark from the hydrant. Sometimes the grass around
his lab would glow with an eerie blue corona, St. Elmo's Fire.
What they didn't know was this was small stuff. The man in the
lab was merely tuning up his apparatus. He was getting ready to
run it wide open in an experiment that ranks as among the
greatest, and most spectacular, of all time. One side effect of
his experiment was the setting of the record for man-made
lightning: some 42 meters in length (130 feet).
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THE MAN: NIKOLA TESLA.
His name was Nikola Tesla. He was an immigrant from what is now
Yugoslavia; there's a museum of his works in Belgrade. He's a
virtual unknown in the United States, despite his
accomplishments. I'm not sure why. Some people feel it's a dark
plot, the same people who are into conspiracy theories. I feel
it's more that Tesla, while a brilliant inventor, was also an
awful businessman; he ended up going broke. Businessmen who go
broke fade out of the public eye; we see this in the computer
industry all the time. Edison, who wasn't near the inventor
Tesla was, but who was a better businessman, is well remembered
as is his General Electric. Still, let me list a few of Tesla's
works just so you'll understand how bright he was. He invented
the AC motor and transformer. (Think of every motor in your
house.) He invented 3-phase electricity and popularized
alternating current, the electrical distribution system used all
over the world. He invented the Tesla Coil, which makes the high
voltage that drives the picture tube in your computer's CRT. He
is now credited with inventing modern radio as well; the Supreme
Court overturned Marconi's patent in 1943 in favor of Tesla.
Tesla, in short, invented much of the equipment that gets
power to your home every day from miles away, and many that use
that power inside your home. His inventions made George
Westinghouse (Westinghouse Corp.) a wealthy man. Finally, the
unit of magnetic flux in the metric system is the "tesla". Other
units include the "faraday" and the "henry", so you'll understand
this is an honor given to few. So we're not talking about an
unknown here, but rather a solid electrical engineer. Tesla
whipped through a number of inventions early in his life. He
found himself increasingly interested in resonance, and in
particular, electrical resonance. Tesla found out something
fascinating. If you set an electrical circuit to resonating, it
does strange things indeed. Take for instance his Tesla Coil.
This high frequency step-up transformer would kick out a few
hundred thousand volts at radio frequencies. The voltage would
come off the top of his coil as a "corona", or brush discharge.
The little ones put out a six-inch spark; the big ones throw
sparks many feet long. Yet Tesla could draw the sparks to his
fingers without being hurt -- the high frequency of the
electricity keeps it on the surface of the skin, and prevents the
current from doing any harm. Tesla got to thinking about
resonance on a large scale. He'd already pioneered the
electrical distribution system we use today, and that's not small
thinking; when you think of Tesla, think big. He thought, let's
say I send an electrical charge into the ground. What happens to
it? Well, the ground is an excellent conductor of electricity.
Let me spend a moment on this so you understand, because
topsoil doesn't seem very conductive to most. The ground
makes a wonderful sinkhole for electricity. This is why you
"ground" power tools; the third (round) pin in every AC outlet in
your house is wired straight to, literally, the ground.
Typically, the handle of your power tool is hooked to ground
this way, if something shorts out in the tool and the handle gets
electrified,the current ruches to the ground instead of into you.
The ground has long been used in this manner, as a conductor.
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Tesla generates a powerful pulse of electricity, and drains
it into the ground. Because the ground is conductive, it doesn't
stop. Rather, it spreads out like a radio wave, traveling at the
speed of light, 186,000 miles per second. And it keeps going,
because it's a powerful wave; it doesn't peter out after a few
miles. It passes through the iron core of the earth with little
trouble. After all, molten iron is very conductive. When the wave
reaches the far side of the planet, it bounces back, like a wave
in water bounces when it reaches an obstruction. Since it
bounces, it makes a return trip; eventually, it returns to the
point of origin. Now, this idea might seem wild. But it isn't
science fiction. We bounced radar beams off the moon in the
1950's, and we mapped Venus by radar in the 1970's. Those planets
are millions of miles away. The earth is a mere 3000 miles
in diameter; sending an electromagnetic wave through it is a
piece of cake. We can sense earthquakes all the way across the
planet by the vibrations they set up that travel all that
distance. So, while at first thought it seems amazing, it's
really pretty straight forward. But, as I said, it's a typical
example of how Tesla thought. And then he had one of his
typically Tesla ideas.
He thought, when the wave returns to me (about 1/30th of a
second after he sends it in), it's going to be considerably
weakened by the trip. Why doesn't he send in another charge at
this point, to strengthen the wave? The two will combine, go out,
and bounce again. And then he'll reinforce it again, and again.
The wave will build up in power. It's like pushing a swingset.
You give a series of small pushes each time the swing goes out.
And you build up a lot of power with a series of small pushes;
ever tried to stop a swing when it's going full tilt? He wanted
to find out the upper limit of resonance. And he was in for a
surprise.
THE HACK: THE TESLA COIL
So Tesla moved into Colorado Springs, where one of his generators
and electrical systems had been installed, and set up his lab.
Why Colorado Springs? Well, his lab in New York had burned down,
and he was depressed about that. And as fate would have it, a
friend in Colorado Springs who directed the power company,
Leonard Curtis, offered him free electricity. Who could resist
that? After setting up his lab, he tuned his gigantic Tesla coil
through that year, trying to get it to resonate perfectly with
the earth below. And the townspeople noticed those weird
effects; Tesla was electrifying the ground beneath their feet on
the return bounce of the wave. Eventually, he got it tuned,
keeping things at low power. But in the spirit of a true hacker,
just once he decided to run it wide open, just to see what would
happen. Just what was the upper limit of the wave he would build
up, bouncing back and forth in the planet below? He had his Coil
hooked to the ground below it, the 200 foot antenna above it, and
getting as much electricity as he wanted right off the city power
supply mains. Tesla went outside to watch (wearing three inch
rubber soles for insulation) and had his assistant, Kolman Czito,
turn the Coil on. There was a buzz from rows of oil capacitors,
and a roar from the spark gap as wrist-thick arcs jumped across
it. Inside the lab the noise was deafening. But Tesla was
outside, watching the antenna. Any surge that returned to the
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area would run up the antenna and jump off as lightning. Off the
top of the antenna shot a six foot lightning bolt. The bolt kept
going in a steady arc, though, unlike a single lightning flash.
And here Tesla watched carefully, for he wanted to see if the
power would build up, if his wave theory would work. Soon the
lightning was twenty feet long, then fifty. The surges were
growing more powerful. Eighty feet -- now thunder was following
each lightning bolt. A hundred feet, a hundred twenty feet; the
lightning shot upwards off the antenna. Thunder was heard
booming around Tesla now (it was heard 22 miles away, in the town
of Cripple Creek). The meadow Tesla was standing in was lit up
with an electrical discharge very much like St. Elmo's Fire,
casting a blue glow. His theory had worked! There didn't seem
to be an upper limit to the surges; he was creating the most
powerful electrical surges ever created by man. That moment he
set the record, which he still holds, for manmade lightning. Then
everything halted. The lightning discharges stopped, the thunder
quit. He ran in, found the power company had turned off his
power feed. He called them, shouted at them -- they were
interrupting his experiment! The foreman replied that Tesla had
just overloaded the generator and set it on fire, his lads were
busy putting out the fire in the windings, and it would be a cold
day in hell before Tesla got any more free power from the
Colorado Springs power company!
All the lights in Colorado Springs had gone out. And that,
readers, is to me the greatest hack in history. I've seen some
amazing hacks. The 8-bit Atari OS. The Mac OS. The phone
company computers -- well, lots of computers. But I've never
seen anyone set the world's lightning record and shut off the
power to an entire town, "just to see what would happen". For a
few moments, there in Colorado Springs, he achieved something
never before done. He had used the entire planet as a conductor,
and sent a pulse through it. In that one moment in the summer of
1899, he made electrical history. That's right, in 1899 -- darn
near a hundred years ago. Well, you may say to yourself, that's
a nice story, and I'm sure George Lucas could make a hell of a
move about it, special effects and all. But it's not relevant
today. Or isn't it? Hang on to your hat.
THE SDI AND THE TESLA COIL
Last month we talked about an amazing hack that Nikola Tesla
did -- bouncing an electrical wave through the planet, in 1899,
and setting the world's record for manmade lightning. This
month,let me lay a little political groundwork. Last October I
attended Hackercon 2.0, another gathering of computer hackers
from all over. It was an informal weekend at a camp in the hills
west of Santa Clara. One of the more interesting memories of
Hackers 2.0 were the numerous diatribes against the Strategic
Defense Initiative. Most speakers claimed it was impossible,
citing technical problems. So many people felt obligated to
complain about SDI that the conference was jokingly called
"SDIcon 2.0". Probably the high(?) point of the conference was
Jerry Pournelle and Timothy Leary up on stage debating SDI. I'll
leave the description to your imagination -- it was everything
you can think of and more. Personally, I was disturbed to see
how many gifted hackers adopting the attitude of "let's not even
try". That's not how micros got started. I mentioned to one
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Time magazine journalist that if anyone could make SDI go, it was
the hackers gathered there. I also believe that the greatest
hacker of them all, Nikola Tesla, solved the SDI technical
problem back in 1899. The event was so long ago, and so amazing,
that it's pretty much been forgotten; I described it last issue.
Let me present my case for the Tesla Coil and SDI.
SOVIET USE OF THE TESLA COIL
You will recall I said that Tesla was born in Yugoslavia
(although back then, it was "Serbo-Croatia"). He is not unknown
there; he is regarded as a national hero. Witness the Nikola
Tesla museum in Belgrade, for instance. There's been
interferences picked up, on this side of the planet, which is
causing problems in the ham radio bands. Direction finding
equipment has traced the interference in the SW band to two
sources in the Soviet Union, which are apparently two high
powered Tesla Coils. Why on earth are the Soviets playing with
Tesla Coils? There's one odd theory that they're subjecting
Canada to low level electrical interference to cause attitude
change. Sigh. Moving right along, there's another theory, more
credible, that they are conducting research in "over the horizon"
radar using Tesla's ideas. (The Soviets are certainly not saying
what they're doing.) When I read about this testing, it worried
me. I don't think they're playing with attitude control or
radar. I think they're doing exactly what Tesla did in Colorado
Springs.
COMPUTERS AND GROUNDING
Time for another discussion of grounding. Consider your
computer equipment. You've doubtlessly been warned about static
electricity, always been told to ground yourself (thus
discharging the static into the ground, an electrical sinkhole)
before touching your computer. Companies make anti-static spray
for your rugs. Static is in the 20,000 to 50,000 volt range.
Computer chips run on five to twelve volts. The internal
insulation is built for that much voltage. When they get a shot
of static in the multiple thousand volt range, the insulation is
punctured, and the chip ruined. Countless computers have been
damaged this way. Read any manual on inserting memory chips to a
PC, and you'll see warnings about static; it's a big problem.
Now Tesla was working in the millions of volts range. And his
special idea -- that the ground itself could be the conductor --
now comes into relevance, nearly a hundred years after his
dramatic demonstration in Colorado Springs. For, you see, in our
wisdom we've grounded our many computers, to protect them from
static. We've always assumed the ground is an electrical
sinkhole. So, with our three-pin plugs we ground everything --
the two flat pins in your wall go to electricity (hot and
neutral); the third, round pin, goes straight to ground. That
third pin is usually hooked with a thick wire to a cold water
pipe, which grounds it effectively. Tesla proved that you can
give that ground a terrific charge, millions of volts of high
frequency electricity. (Tesla ran his large coil at 33 Khz).
Remember, the lightning surging off his Coil was coming from the
wave bouncing back and forth in the planet below. In short, he
was modifying the ground's electrical potential, changing it from
an electrical sinkhole to an electrical source. Tesla did his
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experiment in 1899. There weren't any home computers with
delicate chips hooked up to grounds then. If there had been,
he'd have fried everything in Colorado Springs. There was,
however, one piece of electrical equipment grounded at the time
of the experiment, the city power generator. It caught fire and
ended Tesla's experiment. The cause of its failure is
interesting as well. It died from "high frequency kickback",
something most electrical engineers know about. Tesla forgot
that as the generator fed him power, he was feeding it high
frequency from his Coil. High frequency quickly heats
insulation; a microwave oven works on the same principle. In a
few minutes, the insulation inside that generator grew so hot
that the generator caught fire. When the lights went out all over
Colorado Springs, there was the first proof that Tesla's idea has
strategic possibilities. It gets scarier. Imagine Tesla's Coil,
busily pumping an electrical wave in the Earth. On his side of
the planet, he was getting 130 foot sparks, which is a hell of a
lot of voltage and current. And simple wave theory will show you
that those sort of potentials exist on the far side of the planet
as well. Remember, the wave was bouncing back and forth, being
reinforced on every trip. The big question is how focused the
opposite electrical pole will be. No one knows. But it seems
probable that the far side of the planet's ground target area
could be subjected to considerable electrical interference. And
if computer equipment is plugged inot that ground, faithfully
assuming the ground will never be a source of electricity, it's
just too bad for that equipment. This sort of electrical
interference makes static look tiny by comparison. It doesn't
take much difference in ground potential to kill a computer
connected across it. Lightning strikes cause a temporary flare
in ground voltage; I remember replacing driver chips on a network
on all computers that had been caught by one lightning strike,
when I lived in Austin. Imagine the effect on relatively delicate
electronics if someone fires up a Tesla Coil on the far side of
the planet, and subjects the grounds to steep electrical swings.
The military applications are pretty obvious -- those ICBM's in
North Dakota, for instance. It's possible they could be damaged
in their silos, and from thousands of miles away. Running two or
more Coils, you don't have to bee exactly on the far side of the
planet, either. Interference effects can give you high points
where you need with varied tunings. Maybe, just maybe, the
Soviets aren't doing "over the horizon" radar. Maybe they just
bothered to read Tesla's notes. And maybe they are tuning up a
real big surprise with their twin Coils.
"STAR WARS" AND THE TESLA COIL
You've heard of the Strategic Defense Initiative, or "Star
Wars". We're searching for a way to stop a nuclear attack.
Right now, we've got all sorts of high powered research projects,
with the emphasis on "new technology". Excimer laser, kinetic
kill techniques, and even more exotic ideas. As any of you know
that have written computer programs, it's darned hard to get
something "new" to work. Maybe it's an error to focus on "new"
exclusively. Wouldn't it be something if the solution to SDI
lies a hundred years ago, in the forgotten brilliance of Nikola
Tesla? For right now we can immobilize the electronics of
installations half a planet away. The technology to do it was
achieved in 1899, and promptly forgotten. Remember, we're not
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talking vague, unproven theories here. We're talking the world's
record for lightning, and the inventor whose power system lights
up your house at night.
THE TESLA COIL WORKS.
All we'd have to do is build it. You might not believe the
story about Tesla in Colorado Springs, and what he did. It's
pretty amazing. It has a way of being forgotten because of that.
And I'm not sure you want to hear about the SDI connection.
Still, as you work on a computer, remember Tesla. His Tesla Coil
supplies the high voltage for the picture tube you use. The
electricity for your computer comes from a Tesla design AC
generator, is sent through a Tesla transformer, and gets to your
house through 3-phase Tesla power. Tesla's inventions... they
have a way of working..
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From the November, 1958 FATE magazine.
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Townsend Brown and his Anti-Gravity Discs
by Gaston Burridge
Thomas Townsend Brown has been flying strange metal saucer-like
discs of his own secret design and make for more than 30 years -
some big ones too, up to 30 inches in diameter!
Mostly, Brown has flown his discs in good old common air. The discs
are tethered to a mast or pole and the thin, double-saucer-like
things fly a circle around and around the mast in free flight.
Only a slight hum is audible as they fly. In the dark they glow
with an eerie lavender light, revealing their motive power which is
a kind of electricity.
Many scientists and engineers have watched these discs fly. Under
their breath, and sometimes out loud, most of them have said the
force which makes Brown's discoids spin is one which every high-
school physics student knows about - "Electric Wind" - and not a new
principle Brown has discovered at all!
One engineer told me, "The whole thing is so screwball I don't want
to even talk about it!" Another said, "The device is only about
one-tenth of one percent efficient." Both these statements have
since been proved incorrect! Most other engineers object to the
lack of mathematical substantiation presented by Brown. To
engineers and scientists one equation is worth a thousand words!
But even an equation is of little use unless it has values assigned
to at least some of its main parts. When these were not
forthcoming, from a technical point of view, it appeared Brown was
walking on straw legs.
Then recently Brown went to France. Under what was virtually a
French Government sponsored program of research, Air-France
successfully flew some of the Brown discs in a HIGH VACUUM!
And that took all the "electric wind" out of the previously
dissenting sails1 These tests were of a highly secret nature and,
because of this, and, because they were made in a foreign nation,
their results REMAIN CLASSIFIED.
One by one, U.S. engineering and scientific heads are beginning to
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show above the storm cellars. It is now quietly admitted that
perhaps Brown may have something after all!
One thing he DOES have which he has not had before is a sponsor!
Perhaps that is the reason for the heads showing from the cellars.
There is nothing quite like having financial backing.
What do Brown's inventions mean? Another kind, type, or arrangement
of high-speed flight, both within our own atmosphere and in the
space beyond it!
How will it compare as a motive force with the rocket motors and the
jet engines of today? Of course, we cannot say yet but there is
nothing to indicate Brown's method will not compete most favorably
with them. Brown's method has definite "anti-gravitic potentials'
which their rockets or jets do not have. Because of present patent
situations many details of the Brown system must be by-passed here,
but it seems they represent no small item in the total picture of
space flight.
Since 1923 Brown and his family have spent nearly $250,000 of their
own funds on experiments and research into the mysteries of that
strangest of strange electrical phenomenon, the "Biefeld-Brown
Effect". Electrical literature contains few writings on this
subject, mostly because Brown has maintained a tight grip on the
information and has not seen fit to write on the matter
scientifically or otherwise. No one else has seemed inclined to
research the matter. What is more American scientific journals are
open to few ideas that DO NOT ORIGINATE with men CONNECTED WITH
LARGE UNIVERSITY or COMMERCIAL RESEARCH LABORATORIES!
I first heard of Townsend Brown and his Biefeld-Brown Effect from
Mr. Arlin C. Hauser. Hauser is a designer and builder of fine
technical instruments in Pasadena who doesn't hold an idea at arms-
length because it is "new". Hauser furnished me a copy of a
monograph titled, "A SIMPLIFIED EXPLANATION OF THE APPLICATION OF
THE BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT TO THE SOLUTION OF THE PROBLEMS OF SPACE
NAVIGATION". This monograph was published by Dr. Mason Rose,
president of the University for Social Research, Los Angeles, but
was actually written, I learned later, by Mr. Bradford Shank, a
nuclear scientist, formally of Los Alamos, now engaged in
engineering work for a Los Angeles aircraft valve manufacturer.
Some of the information set forth in this monograph rang a bell way
back in my memory.
Between 1919 and 1925 I was "errand boy" in a laboratory conducting
experiments with high potential, high frequency alternating
currents. We were playing with a million volts at 750,000 cycles
per second! A new type of electrical condenser had been built and
was to be tested. It was hooked into the circuit but was not
"bolted down" - it was heavy.
The director stood at the switchboard; the rest of us at a
respectful distance away. The switch was thrown. There was a hum,
a bursting flash of green and purple light, a loud bang, a violent
lurch and twist of the new condenser and that piece of apparatus lay
a smoking ruin! The director said, "Gentlemen, our baby has grown
up!"
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It is this movement manifest in an electrical condenser which is the
essence of the Biefeld-Brown Effect. This movement makes the Effect
highly interesting as an anti-gravitic force!
The Biefeld-Brown Effect says an electrical condenser, when charged,
will MOVE TORWARD its positive pole and remain so positioned UNTIL
DISCHARGED, if free to do so, regardless of WHICH POLE or WHICH SIDE
of the dielectric is made positive.
This movement does not disregard the time-honored "law" which
indicates every action carries within it an equal reaction. The
reaction, as in gravitation, is present BUT NOT OBVIOUS. The
reaction is a finite but vanishingly small movement of all the other
matter in the Universe. But the nearest masses are affected first
and most!
The Effect was first observed when the condenser plates were charged
with a DIRECT CURRENT. But the experience noted above, which was
observed subsequently during other experiments, indicates something
of the same phenomenon is present when condensers are charged with
ALTERNATING current also - but probably not as effectively or as
lastingly.
While these alternating current condenser MOVEMENTS were noted at
the time, especially when the condensers were initially charged
after a long and complete discharge, those directing the research
then believed the movements were due to resonances set up within the
apparatus by the 60-cycle feed currents. Thus, this phenomenon,
though noted, was never investigated by the group to which I was
attached.
This electrical condenser movement is believed to have been first
perceived and examined by Dr. Paul Alfred Biefeld, professor of
physics and astronomy, Denison University, Granville, Ohio, sometime
before 1923.
However, search of the Denison University's own published scientific
records does not indicate Dr. Biefeld wrote anything regarding this
discovery while there. Dr. Lawrence Biefeld, a son of Dr. Paul
Alfred Biefeld, writes me that he does not recall his father ever
having mentioned discovering such an effect! However, Mr. Bradford
Shank who has been intimately associated with several phases of the
Townsend Brown Foundation and its work for several years relates
that Dr. Biefeld did originate the initial research into the Effect
itself and also directed Townsend Brown, then a student at Denision
University, in Brown's early interest in the matter.
Although the Effect may have been recognized first by Dr. Biefeld, a
greater part of the development research and ALL the practical
application of it has been carried on by Brown - mostly at his own
expense, over a period of more than 30 years.
Apparently the Effect was named by someone else writing a report on
the subject. But had it not been for Townsend Brown's long interest
and research this Effect might remain unrecorded and unexploited
still!
Evidence indicates the entire Universe, from the greatest systems of
stars and their planets down to the smallest atom and its parts -
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hydrogen - operates on only three basic forces - electricity,
magnetism and gravitation. These three forces may be entirely
separate and different or they may be only different phases of the
same force, a Universal force we have not yet distinguished as such.
Regardless of this, we know the relationship between electricity and
magnetism and we know this relationship is brought about and
maintained by the very simple COIL OF WIRE!
It is quite possible, through the Biefeld-Brown Effect, we have come
upon the relationship between electricity and gravitation, a
relationship being brought about and maintained through the very
simple electrical condenser!
If each of these three forces is considered separately, we find
little of practical value in any of them! It is only through
combinations of two, and perhaps more, that we begin to use them.
Aside from the researches into the Biefeld-Brown Effect carried on
by Mr. Brown science has done practically nothing toward developing
the relationship between electricity and gravitation.
Most scientists today will admit a weak COUPLING EFFECT DOES EXIST
BETWEEN GRAVITATION AND ELECTRICITY but any practical use of this
coupling effect they deny!
Standing almost alone in this belief Mr. Brown has maintained his
position regarding the matter stubbornly, faithfully, and devotedly.
If a simple, two-plate electrical condenser (FIGURE 1) is suspended
by a cord in such a way as to allow it complete freedom to to move
in any direction, except downward of course, and this condenser is
charged with the proper amount and pressure of direct electric
current the instrument will swing TOWARD the side holding the
POSITIVE CHARGE.
If this same condenser is discharged, the positive and negative
wires switched and connected oppositely, when recharged the
condenser will swing in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
If the condenser is placed upon one side of a balanced beam (FIGURE
2) with enough weight opposite it to continue the balance and if the
positive pole is pointed up, when the condenser is charged the
weight on the opposite side of the beam will fall and the entire
condenser WILL RISE!
This shows that some of the "weight" of the condenser has been
relieved. If the positive pole now is reversed, when the condenser
is again charged the weight on the opposite end of the beam WILL BE
LIFTED! This illustrates gravitic affect.
This is the Biefeld-Brown Effect. As far is now known it is the
only method of affecting the gravitational field electrically!
However, apparently there are several other research programs now
under way attempting to establish an electro-gravitic relationship.
One of the mysteries of this Effect is that it APPEARS TO BE
AFFECTED BY TIME! Time does not do away with the Effect completely,
but it does appear to minimize it temporarily. This was noted first
by Brown during experiments located in a closed room.
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He watched his discs through a telescope from outside the room.
Brown observed that after a time the discs did not swing quite so
far as initially, in either direction, with the same electric
charge. I understood from Mr. Shank that this point was discussed
with Albert Einstein but what Mr. Einstein had to say remains
unknown to me.
The phenomenon might be accounted for by subtle atomic structural
breakdowns in the dielectric material, or in the plate material, or
both. After a time, following a complete discharge, these
breakdowns mend themselves.
The intensity with which the Biefeld-Brown Effect may act is
determined by five factors. Ultimate intensity cannot possibly be
obtained by a combined use of all five factors - each in their
separate ultimates! A compromise must be made. This is not as
grave a disadvantage as it might seem at first, for it will allow an
almost endless arrangement of factors in any given disc or ship.
The best combination of these then may be chosen and applied to a
wide variety of practical conditions which will surely arise in
everyday aeronautical or astronautical flight.
1) PROXIMITY OF PLATES
The first factor regulating the intensity of the Effect is
controlled by the closeness at which the condenser's plates can
be set. If the charging pressure - or voltage - is high then
the plates will have to be farther apart than for lower voltages
-using the same dielectric. If it is necessary to charge the
condenser quickly a higher voltage is needed than if more time
can be taken. Hence, the closer the condenser plates the
greated the Effect gained - other circumstances remaining the
same.
2) DIELECTRIC CONSTANT
The second factor is the ability of the material chosen as a
dielectric to store electrical energy. There are many kinds of
dielectrics: glass, mica, rubber, paper, bakelite, air,
ceramics, and many of the plastics. A dielectric is any
material which opposes the flow of an electric current and at
the same time is capable of storing the electrical energy as an
"elastic stress."
The action resembles the squeezing of a soft rubber ball. The
muscles in your hand represent the electric voltage. They
squeeze the ball's sides together. The sides remain squeezed
until your muscles release their pressure, then the sides jump
back into their original shape.
A dielectric will absorb an electric charge until its capacity
has been reached. Then it will either hold that charge as long
as the charging force is present, or it will rupture and the
pressure will leak away, or if the accumulated pressure becomes
greater than the charging pressure it will discharge itself back
into the charging circuit! This last can raise the devil!
Some dielectrics are capable of absorbing a great quantity of
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electrical energy if that energy is applied slowly at moderate
pressure, but they break down if called upon to act quickly.
Other dielectrics, like lead-free glass, can be charged and
discharged thousands of times a second at high pressures. The
measure of a dielectric's ability is called the "K" of the
material. The higher the K, the greater is the Biefeld-Brown
Effect.
3) INTENSITY
A third factor in creating intensity of the Effect is the AREA
of the dielectric's charging plates. The discs are used
edgewise, and the greater their area, the greater the Effect
obtained.
4) VOLTAGE
A fourth factor has to do with the VOLTAGE, or pressure used to
charge the condenser's plates. The higher the voltage, the
greater the Effect.
Also, the higher the voltage the shorter the time required to
charge a given condenser size. But the voltage must not be so
high as to puncture the dielectric, the condenser is
permanently, or temporarily ruined - depending upon its ability
to "heal" itself. Solid dielectrics cannot heal themselves.
Fluids heal themselves almost as soon as punctured. (the reason
for using OIL filled capacitors...Vangard)
5) MASS (SURFACE AREA)
The fifth and last factor is the MASS ofthe dielectric. The
greater the mass, the larger the Effect.
These points all are important. They make it clear that by a not
too complicated electrical arrangement which allows the changing of
many positive pole positions at will an astronautical vehicle could
be controlled.
Since a circle contains the greatest number of square units of
surface for a given dimension (a torus has even greater surface
area...Vangard), it seems obvious that a shallow, disc-shaped
vehicle could use this type of energy field to greatest advantage.
It would be charged differently than the models because it could
carry its own charging equipment on board.
The input energy of some models tested in California quite some time
ago (they do not represent present experimental attainments) was
about 50 watts, or the requirements of a small light bulb.
The weight of these units was about 1200 grams, or around 42 ounces,
or near two and 6/10 pounds. The efficiency of propulsion was 2%.
Unless scientific findings are discounted, we must assume the
voltage of atmospheric electricity rises as the distance from the
earth's surface increases.
At low altitudes we sometimes record an increase of 100 volts for
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EVERY THREE FEET IN ELEVATION. But this increase RISES WITH
ALTITUDE. It is believed that in that ionosphere a potential of 100
volts may occur within only four inches!
Even though a discoid-shaped vehicle could be relatively thin,
compared to its diameter, still it would be many times four inches
thick. Hence, it would be subjected to tremendous differentials of
external electric pressure over its extreme dimensions.
How will this affect the Biefeld-Brown Effect - or any electrically
propelled vehicle? Some say, not at all. Others see it as a
sizable barrier!
Anti-gravity devices apparently are being experimented with from a
number of directions. Once any one of them becomes practical a
whole new horizon will unfold before mankind.
At the present time (1958) some 19 patent applications, covering the
Biefeld-Brown Effect and its various applied forms, are being worked
on. A new laboratory is also being built. Will Mr. Brown be the
first Earthman to build and fly a FLYING SAUCER?
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Vangard notes..
The Law of Equilibrium includes Density. All things Rise or
Fall to their own Density. This density can consist of energy
in many forms, electric, magnetic, tachyon, etc.
Note the remark regarding the higher voltage potentials in the
upper atmosphere. Both the Brown disc and the Searle disc rely
on very high voltage potentials to provide lift. The question
is whether the electricity seeks its own upper atmosphere level
or does it cause some kind of stress in some other type of
energy to cause repulsion from the Earth surface or ATTRACTION
TO A LAYER EQUIVALENT TO ITS OWN.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: My Enounters, Opinions
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> From: cee1@ra.MsState.Edu (The Chuckmeister)
> Date: 16 Jul 91 17:29:43 GMT
> Organization: Mississippi State University
> Message-ID: <1201@ra.MsState.Edu>
> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
> 3. I firmly beleive UFOs/intelligent life exist, the evidence is
> overwhelming,
> I think the most documented phonomena in world history and the GOVT
> is cov
> ering up. My personal belief is that these creatures are demons/evil
> spirits/
> in some physical bodies, as it seems by other posts, others beleive
> this
> also. I am a Christian and have tried to weigh the evidence of what
> they
> MIGHT be, and that is the only logical conclusion I could come up
> with.
I would be very interested in hearing your arguments for this belief.
> 4. What are these 'new' findings of JFK being shot from his car?
That is highly unreliable information. There is a film circulating around
that allegedly shows the driver turn and fire a gun, however it is obvious
that the film is "doctored."
> 5. What is this about a coverup about MLK Jr?
I don't know. What have you heard?
> 6. Underground bases in the Colorados etc..
There are probably lots of underground bases. Would this be so unusual?
> 7. ANyone on here from Gulf Breeze and see UFO's all the time? I'd like
> some info on stuff.
>
> 8. Is there an ftp site with archives of old _arge_ postings of stuff,
> the
> ones like with 700 or so lines of stuff, I would be interested.
Our network has a large ftp site at uiowa.edu. It is anonymous too.
> 9. Arer there any UFO boards that I could subscribe to, any info would
> be
> helpful.
Contact me at mcorbin@scicom.alphacd.com for information on my network,
ParaNet. You can also be placed on our list server by sending your request to
infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com. Our digest is very interesting and seriously
covers this subject, including the abduction phenomenon.
Thanks,
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: A Way Out Of Here.
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Date: 18 Jul 91 02:12:00 GMT
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> From: JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
> Date: 16 Jul 91 17:33:13 GMT
> Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
> Message-ID: <91197.093313JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
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> Last week a person by the name of Oscar the Grouch made the
> statement something like this; what is the use anyway we're
> never going to make it out of here anyway. To this statement
> I'd like to submit the following opinion; it the past I've
> mentioned a person by the name of Elling Bentsen from Oslo,
> Norway who is a UFO book writer. What I didn't mention is that
> he claims to be in contact with the peoploe from Proximina Centauri
> which is 25 trillion miles away. The people from there say they
> have found us to have problems of over population and polution.
> They say they have a planet called PC22 that is a lot like our
> Earth was l50 years ago. They say by l994 they will bring their
> space ships and anyone can go that so desires. I'll leave you
> with this saying; the only way we're going to get out of here
> alive is get on the ball.
What really amazes me about all of this alleged "space brothers" stuff is that
we continue hearing the same thing, and have done so for the last forty years.
Why don't the "brothers" provide solutions instead of empty promises of
teleportation off of this rock? It would be better to fix the problems here
than to go somewhere else and have them all over again. Agree? Or, better,
would it not be in their best interest to teach us a better way? No. I don't
think that they have much on the ball either.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Alien Hand?
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> From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
> Date: 17 Jul 91 03:21:10 GMT
> Organization: The Search For TERRESTRIAL Intelligence
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> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
> Kim Mikules has an offer he thinks you can't refuse. AI-TRAD, the
> organization he works for, will give $500,000 to anyone who can
> produce
> evidence of E.T.'s.
I can offer some advice following a brief investigation of this group: LET
THE BUYER BEWARE!
Don Ecker has further information on them, if you would care to access him via
ParaNet's ASK UFO Magazine conference on the network, or via infopara.
Mike
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From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
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Subject: Re: what about the last 44 years ?READ/NEW
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Date: 18 Jul 91 04:04:26 GMT
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In article <1991Jul15.121750.1091@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ameij@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>For beings who can traverse the unimaginable vastness of space (albeit in order
>mainly to dance in cornfields and take teach-yourself-abattoir-skills courses)
>they really don't seem to competant at landing, do they?
The Roswell incident has been attributed to lightning, and others in the
area to radar. It's conceivable, though I don't know how probable, that
the alleged aliens don't have either of these things back home.
Nobody knows what caused the alleged Kecksburg PA crash, or the dubious one
in Ontario. The other extremely dubious one in South Africa was a
shoot-down with some type of particle beam weapon.
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