Info-ParaNet Newsletters March 16th 1991

                 Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 378

 

                           Saturday, March 16th 1991

 

Today's Topics:

 

                             Hatonn and the Pleiades

                               Re: Relativity Woes

                                     (none)

                                    Interview

                                      Arui

                                    Linguists

                                      Arui

                                 Halley's Comet

                              Forward/transporters

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From: well.sf.ca.us!ddrasin

Subject: Hatonn and the Pleiades

Date: 15 Mar 91 18:20:57 GMT

From: ddrasin@well.sf.ca.us (Dan Drasin)

Just some quick replies to some points raised during the past few 

weeks:

+ Hatonn and the America West 'Phoenix Journals'

I don't claim to be the world's foremost authority on this, but for 

what it's worth...

Hatonn (Please, not 'Hatoon!') has been channeled for years by the 

Rock Creek Research group in Louisville, KY. This entity has never 

claimed to be Pleiadean, and has presented itself in a consistently 

respectful, humble and spiritually uplifting fashion. The 'Hatonn' 

presented in the America West 'Phoenix Journals' may in fact be 

either a crude fabrication or an 'astral impostor,' whose manner and 

'vibe' seems diametrically opposed to that of the original

'Hatonn.'  The journals give some justification for this (that 

people 'now have to be jogged out of their complacency') but it 

doesn't compute from a number of standpoints; too much to get into 

here.

The Phoenix Journals are not likely to have been channeled, or 

received via a shortwave radio: While they admit that much of what 

they present has appeared elsewhere, much of it survives verbatim 

WITH TYPOGRAPHICAL AND GRAMMATICAL ERRORS INTACT. The violations of 

copyright alone (they are apparently being sued by more than one 

party) should be enough to raise a red flag or two: a spiritual 

teacher will almost never counsel violating the laws of the land. At 

any rate, the publishers openly solicit contributions of information 

from their readers, many of which apparently turn up as 

'transmitted' material later on. The preponderance of the Phoenix 

Journal entitled 'SPACE-GATE: THE VEIL REMOVED' was taken 

word-for-word from papers by Bill Cooper and others. As of last 

year, several people named as supporting the Phoenix Journals have 

gone on public record as repudiating any connection or association 

with them, and I understand that Cooper himself is bringing suit.

What useful information there may be in these journals (and there is

undoubtedly some) seems strongly overbalanced by the amount of 

what appears to be mis-and dis-information mixed in helter-skelter, 

and above all by the simplistic and hysterical tone in which they 

are delivered. Information out of context is useless; information in 

*this* kind of context is *less* than useless because it strongly 

discourages intelligent people from taking it seriously.

The only rationalization I can conceive of for presenting important 

information in this way is that its amateurish, ranting quality may 

prevent its being taken as a serious threat by 'the authorities.' 

However, if the publishers are to be believed, they are already 

under almost constant harrassment by the 'authorities' anyway. 

It has been my experience that groups that dwell on their own 

persecution (real or imagined) tend to have some serious emotional 

problems at the core. 

+ Pleiades being 400 light-years away

Distance is relative to the system of physics through which you

perceive it. Current physics recognizes that conventional notions of

space and time are transcended by demonstrable superluminal 

(faster-than-light) connections. The concept of a 'warp drive,' while 

certainly a long way from being realized, is not at odds with the 

picture of the universe that is presently unfolding at the leading 

edges of physics. Those who believe that 'what we know is all there 

is to know' should remember that powered flight was generally 

regarded as an impossiblity less than a century ago.

Dan Drasin

ddrasin@well

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From: pluto@cs.ucsd.edu (Mark Plutowski)

Subject: Re: Relativity Woes

Date: 15 Mar 91 21:16:53 GMT

This is regarding the recent message, included here:

----- Begin Included Message -----

+From: James Roger Black <jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu>

+Subject: Relativity Woes

+Date: 14 Mar 91 14:27:17 GMT

+

+General Relativity, Einstein's magnum opus, may be in trouble, according

+to the latest issue of Science News (9 March 91, p. 148).

+

+In a supercomputer simulation conducted by Stuart L. Shapiro and Saul A. 

+Teukolsky of Cornell University, the gravitational collapse of large,

+nonspherical particle clouds in space resulted in the the formation of

+what are known as 'naked singularities'--points of infinite mass and

+density without a surrounding black hole to insulate them from the outside

+universe.  This violates the 'cosmic censorship' rule which states that 

+naked singularities cannot exist in the real world.

+

+This represents a potential disaster for general relativity, according

+to Shapiro, because it results in a situation in which relativity theory

+fails to model the physical world.

+

+'If cosmic censorship really goes out the window ... then one would need

+to revise the mathematical equations for relativistic gravity,' Shapiro

+says.

+

+For further information, see Shapiro and Teukolsky's article in the

+25 February 91 issue of Physical Review Letters.

+

----- End Included Message -----

My understanding is that it was more of a disaster for Roger Penrose's theory,

which implied the connection between Einstein's theory and the cosmic censorship

conjecture.  Also, even if Penrose is correct, and the simulations do give an

accurate model of reality, then (I gather from what I have read) researchers

are still split on the impact of this evidence upon Einstein's theory.  

At worst, it seems it will only put a chink in a branch of it, and will not

affect any fundamental aspects of the theory.

-=-=

M.E. Plutowski,  pluto%cs@ucsd.edu 

UCSD,  Computer Science and Engineering 0114

9500 Gilman Drive

La Jolla, California 92093-0114

=

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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM

Subject: (none)

Date: 16 Mar 91 02:34:09 GMT

From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)

I was asked a couple questions about a previous posting.

= +From Greg Lush  (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)

= +the scribe (I did NOT call her a channelor nor a psychic) has been

=  

= Nor did you explain the difference, even when asked.

Jim, I talked to a friend who introduced me to these Journals.  He 

says that any definition he comes up with to describe channelling

fully describes the interaction between Hatonn and the scribe.

He felt that the reason that Hatonn made such a big point (note

I said 'big' point, not "important" point) about this NOT being

channelling is that he didn't want people associating this material

with New Age material.  I now understand that.  I apologize for

misleading you on that.  My friend describes channelling as the

bringing forth of information from other dimensions.  Some channellors

are better that others, and that ability would be a measure of how

well the 'channelor' can focus on one frequency without allowing other

frequencies to interfere or cloud.  Hatonn criticizes others because they

have let their ego get in the way and so they interpret the information

and do not transcribe directly.  He says that HIS scribe has not yet

exhibited such faults.  Of course, if one were trying to get people

to buy ones books, it makes sense to say 'We are the only ones doing

it right!'  I don't know how to address that except to say you must

decide for yourself.

=  +I heard Dan Rather quote Boris Yeltzin once as saying,

=  +'the KGB has beam weapons that can stop my heart.'

=  Can you give any reference for this quote?  It's very interesting if true,

=  but it needs to be tracked down.  (I have also heard [from an unidentified

=  source!] that the CIA can cancel out your brain waves.  I don't consider it

=  technically possible, especially in the manner it was described [via a

=  'bug' in a telephone receiver.])  Perhaps you could cause nervous system

=  effects with some sort of radio waves.  I'm not a physicist, or a

=  biologist.  But I suspect it would have to be very strong to work from any

=  sort of distance.

I can only say that I heard that on CBS News in the last year and that it

was before the Persian Gulf Thing.  It had to be after I learned of this

material which would be in June.  I don't know if I tried to find a

reference to it in the New York Times the following day or not.

I do know that I heard it.  Sorry for the haziness.

The beam weapons the Pleidians describe use extremely low frequency

1-60 Hz waves.  There are old studies now being made public and new

studies being done which show relationships between EM fields from high-

voltage cables and transfer stations and cancer and birth defects.

There are two references to this that I can give you.

The first is in IEEE Spectrum August 1990.

It references a New Yorker 3-part series which was published 'a year

before' June 1990.  It is a long series which shows, among other

things, that heart rates can be slowed in these fields.

IEEE Spectrum:

   However, when the exposure pattern (of 60-Hz fields) is one of

   switching on and off every 15 seconds, alertness and reaction time

   worsened notably.  Some individuals seemed much more sensitive than

   others.  MRI (Midwest Research Institute) has also reported slight

   changes in the rate of heartbeat, with the degree of response again

   varying with the subject.  The institute is now screening for

   sensitive subjects for further study.

The IEEE Spectrum article also mentions how certain frequencies affect

certain organs and frequencies nearby (they compare 55 and 60 Hz) will

not affect the same organ.  These phenomena seem very hard to study.

These principles are the same as a beam weapon except less concentrated.

Greg

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From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)

Subject: Interview

Date: 15 Mar 91 01:11:00 GMT

 > Hello All!  I am doing a research paper on UFOs and am required to do

 > an interview.  Any one interested please contact me via email.

Welcome to ParaNet, John.  Could you elaborate on your project a bit more? 

Perhaps we could help you find that someone.

Michael Corbin

Director

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From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)

Subject: Arui

Date: 15 Mar 91 01:34:00 GMT

  > From: webb@afglsc.span.nasa.gov

 > With regard to the solar flare postings, what does this have to do with

 > UFOs? Periodic energetic flare outbursts are not uncommon, especially at

 > this phase of the solar cycle. Maybe you were worried about possible

 > outages of Paranet communications.

Cross posted to the wrong conference by mistake.  Sorry for the unnecessary 

bandwidth.

Mike

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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm)

Subject: Linguists

Date: 15 Mar 91 05:34:00 GMT

ParaNet is in need of linguists who can volunteer their time to translate and 

transcribe foreign documents and articles.  At the present time, we are in 

need of French and Italian linguists.  Please reply via this conference or to 

one of the following addresses:

ParaNet @ FidoNet 1:104/422

Paranet @ Internet - mcorbin@scicom.alphacdc.com

Thank you.

Michael Corbin

Director

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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)

Subject: Arui

Date: 15 Mar 91 07:01:00 GMT

Dave Webb writes:

 >

 > On a separate matter, I was intrigued by Roger Black's

 > reference in

 > Vallee's book 'Confrontations' to Behrendt's paper. What

 > the hey is "Annals

 > of Ufological Research Advances' ?!! Has anyone ever heard

 > of this obscure

 > publication? Is it an English-language periodical?

 >

 > Dave Webb

 Dave:

          Ken Behrendt's A.U.R.A. is a 12-page newsletter which 

he publishes out of Florida.  Single issues are available from 

Arcturus Books at $5 each.  It seems to be concerned with the 

reverse-engineering of UFOs, based on whatever can be gleaned 

from documented observations.

                                     --  John

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From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)

Subject: Halley's Comet

Date: 10 Mar 91 19:42:31 GMT

 > I am curious among our scientific users if this

 > phenomena related to Halley's Comet in the previous

 > post is a normal feature of a comet?

 >

No, not considering that the ejection would have been

much more likely with closer proximity to the Sun.

It usually takes tremendous heat input for a system

of frozen liquids surrounding a rocky core to become

super-heated enough to cause clouds/ejected materials.

What might have provided the path for this gaseous

escape/ejecta could have been the weakening or fracture

of the frozen outer shell of this comet, perhaps due

to gravitational stress or collision with an asteriod.

Past this, I would only be guessing at the distances

and forces involved, none of which have been mentioned.

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From: violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers

Subject: Forward/transporters

Date: 16 Mar 91 10:57:44 GMT

From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)

Clark: Good to hear from you again. Although I logon

every morning, I haven't posted much recently as the topics

have been ones about which I have little insight or knowledge.

Forward is a straight General Relativitist as far as I know. At

one time he made a generous offer to do the tensor computations

for other SF authors using GR/SR in their stories. 

 As for the recent Naked Singularity computation, I'd like

to see how the story develops in the next few months as other

theorists check the assumptions and results. 

 I've appended a computation I did on the bandwidth requirements

for a matter transmitter. Somebody pointed out that I should double

my numbers to include the 3 components of momentum (as well as space),

but what's a factor of 2 in 10 exp 30 or 45? Also, I haven't the

faintest idea how a scanner could measure velocity. 

 The question recently was raised about 

3D scanning, presumably for matter transmission, i.e., the Star Trek

Transporter. The idea intrigued me as I remembered a statement 

by Arthur C. Clarke in talk given years ago at UC, Berkeley 

that the bandwidth would be prohibitively high.  So,I decided to 

try to estimate it. 

 Let us assume we want to transport a human being 

weighing 60 kilos (about 132 lbs, rather average). 

Humans are mostly water and as a first approximation, 

let's assume humans are 100% water so we can more easily calculate 

the number of atoms in 60 kg's of flesh. Water has a MW of 18 

(O +2 H) so there are 1000/18 moles of water per kilo. There are

6.023 x10 exp 23 molecules per mole (Avogadro's number); 

ergo there are 60 x 1000/18 x 6.023 x 3 atoms in a 60 kg human body.

This number is 6.023 x 10 exp 27 atoms.  Identifying each one in

 a real body as to atomic number and isotope would require 8 bits. 

This means  we need 8 x 6.023 x 10 exp 27 or 4.818 x 10 exp 28 bits 

just to enumerate the atoms.

 In order not to break chemical bonds and destroy DNA, proteins, 

etc. or create reactive fragments, we need to know the location of each 

atom to picometer resolution (chemical bonds are typically 100's of pm)

in 3D dimensions. It takes 40 bits (2 exp 40) to express 10 exp12.

Therefore we need 3 x 40 x 4.818 x 10 exp 28 bits of information to

locate every atom in a body. This number is 5.782 x 10 exp 30 bits.    

However, these atoms are not static, many are taking part in

chemical reactions. Chemical reactions occur on time scales of tens of

femtoseconds ( the much slower observed rates are due to diffusion,

fraction with enough energy to react at given temperatures, etc.). 

Therefore to correctly determine all the chemical species, we need 

to scan the body in 10 exp -15 seconds, which yields a bandwidth of 

5.782 x 10 exp 45 bits/sec as a worst case estimation.  

 One might improve on this number my assuming that the small

fraction of atoms actually undergoing chemical change at any instant

is irrelevant or one might freeze the body to near absolute zero to

stop chemical reactions, diffusion, circulation, etc.

In these cases, one might gain 15 or 20 orders of magnitude in the 

bandwidth requirements, if long scan times are acceptable.  

The small percent of heavier elements in the body would make a minor 

adjustment to the bandwidth.  Data compression schemes might be 

of value in some cases; a boule of isotopically pure semiconductor 

grade silicon would  have no dislocations, so not much info other 

than the dimensions might have to be sent.

 How would one actually do the scanning? I have no idea

NMR imaging only works for those atoms having magnetic moments

and currently has a resolution of millimeters, so it would

have to be improved by a factor of a billion. Perhaps another

method can be discovered, or teleportation might be limited

to atoms with net spins.  Also, storing and transmitting this

amount of data boggles my mind.  

--- John

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