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Date:  3/7/1996

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<<Another friendly get together on a very cold winter night. We lamented the seaming loss of pride in workmanship. We discussed hand held planers, a stationary buffing machine, and routers vs. shapers.

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Another friendly get together on a very cold winter night. We lamented the seaming loss of pride in workmanship. We discussed hand held planers, a stationary buffing machine, and routers vs. shapers.

ElseNew: Hi MjM

MjMlW: hello, else

ElseNew: Where you from?

MjMlW: we must be early

TMS404: hi

MjMlW: Mississippi,you?

ElseNew: Hi TMS

ElseNew: Ct

ElseNew: The chat starts officially at 9:30 but I try to get here a little

early

MjMlW: yeah, room fills quickly...

ElseNew: What kind of woodworking do you like

MjMlW: you guys into cabinets?

MjMlW: Me else?

TMS404: antique furniture restoration

ElseNew: Yes Mj I am a cabinetmaker

MjMlW: architectural millwork......

ElseNew: I am a designer also. I spend a lot of time detailing millwork

Troville: hey, who's out there?

ElseNew: Lo Tro

MjMlW: we do custom cabinetry, not our main line...

Troville: lo elsewhere

ElseNew: Do you do frame or frameless Mj?

MjMlW: both.....

ElseNew: For frame do you do inset?

ElseNew: Hi MA

MAngona: hello

MjMlW: mostly overlay, but will build any specs...

ElseNew: Has anyone tried Gorilla glue?

MAngona: never heard of it

ElseNew: I bought some but havn't tried it yet

MjMlW: hello randy...

MAngona: who sells it

ElseNew: Most of the mail order places, I got mine in the Woodworker's Store

in Norwalk Ct

Bobalice: Naples, Fl--I'm Bob

MjMlW: hi Bob..

ElseNew: Hi Bob

Bobalice: Hi guys

MAngona: whats it do

ElseNew: Its water resistant so they say

HumanistIm: how solid is Enlon as a Company

ElseNew: Hello everyone. I'm Paul Levine your host for Cabinet Chat

JLStetler: does any one here watch new yankee work shop

MjMlW: H, what kind of specialty contracting...?

ElseNew: Once in a long while JL

MAngona: yes

HumanistIm: what's tonight's topic

ElseNew: Cabinets Hum

JLStetler: anybody work in the shop today

ElseNew: Everyday JL

Bobalice: Does anyone else get mad at the shipping & handling charges w/mail,

orders?

MjMlW: Every day, JL...

JLStetler: how are projects going

ElseNew: Handling yes, shipping no

HumanistIm: Ever try barn board cabinet making

MjMlW: Help drivin me nuts..

ElseNew: No Human, You?

KWeikel560: PLEASE EXPLAIN

ElseNew: Why Mj?

JLStetler: hoe are projects going. what are you working on

ElseNew: I'm working on a library JL

JLStetler: sorry about the typeo

ElseNew: Its that time of night JL

MjMlW: Else, hard to find competence down here....

Bobalice: JLStetler  what do you think of Norms antique pine projects? & how

about thtat resaw?

ElseNew: Anywhere Mj. Just people who think they're competent

MjMlW: they have difficulty grasping concept of quality control...

ElseNew: I hear you Mj

ElseNew: How many people you have working?

Bobalice: goodnight all

MjMlW: used to be , real tradesmen would be ashamed to signature  sloppy

workmanship...

ElseNew: Night Bob

Hhundley: Nite Bob

KWeikel560: why is everybody leaving? I took a bath.

MjMlW: would love some input on the subject...

ElseNew: Most I run into want to run before they can walk

ElseNew: Just show me what you want it to look like then leave me build it my

way.

Hhundley: MjM builders do not want craftsmen they want installers

ElseNew: The same guy who said that made a joint today you could drive a

truck through

MjMlW: true...tiz a sad comentary...

Hhundley: Consumers want craftsmen but deal with builders

RKvalhei: Hey all from WARM Calif !!!   I have a problem with finish on

redwood lawn furniture

MAngona: any one work with the incrajig

ElseNew: Our resident expert on finishing is Michael Dresdner on Sunday

nights RK

Dt1212: hi all

MjMlW: H, I believe you're on to something..

ElseNew: Hi Dt

RKvalhei: thanx

Dt1212: whats up tonight?

ElseNew: We ar lamenting the loss of quality Dt

KWeikel560: maybe the redwood is suffering from sunstroke.

Dt1212: else...in tools?

ElseNew: Workmanship Dt

Hhundley: MjM I try not to criticize anyones work, people ask me what I

think, I lie

RKvalhei: naaahhh  too much construction dust and rain on it  .... stained it

I think

MjMlW: learned that loooonnnnggg time ago.......

MjMlW: when conered, just say different builders do it differently...

ElseNew: Mj Do you point out shortcomings when you see them in the shop or

let them slide

Hhundley: Sometimes ask me how to solve problem, I tell to move

MAngona: did you wait a season before staining

KWeikel560: I saw 2 sets of kit. cabs with 1\4" and 1\2" plywood. I don't

believe what they charged.

Dt1212: mjm..good point,everyone has a different teacher

MjMlW: stop them dead in their tracks..

ElseNew: What do you do when they keep repeating mistakes Mj?

RKvalhei: bought con heart ,,, very dry , tung oil took great but I should

have cleaned the dirt off

RKvalhei: b/4 it got too wet

MjMlW: find new people...

JHall81837: Anyone here?

RKvalhei: any feedback on hand held electric planes??? no space for big one

Hhundley: Hi JH

ElseNew: I have one fellow who is very young and has worked in at least three

shops. He got fired

JHall81837: Never used one RK.

ElseNew: from his last job. He has no clue what quality is

MjMlW: probably attitude...usually is..

MAngona: finishing is an art by its self

MjMlW: won't listen..

ElseNew: Doesn't want to listen

Dt1212: rk..sorry ,havent used one either

Hhundley: Mj Millwork bis good in MS Housing strong?

RKvalhei: I have only occasional need for one but want to buy a good one

KWeikel560: if it's wrong chuck it in the designer firewood box.

MjMlW: They are killin me, H....

ElseNew: What will you use it forRK

Hhundley: RK Hand held OK for on site doors etc not much for shop production

MAngona: no room for a portable planner

RKvalhei: just for small projects ...laminating different woods for turning

on lathe

KWeikel560: what about snipe on portable planers?

RKvalhei: never  heard of them

MjMlW: live with it, infeed, outfeed variance..

TIMBERS 22: RK my men always ask for porter cable 126

RKvalhei: how widw?

MAngona: i have a penn potable planner 12" very good

RKvalhei: how wide 3 1/2?  4"

KWeikel560: I noticed NORM got rid of his portable.

MAngona: norm has $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ElseNew: Portables are rough at best. Not for cabinetwork

Dt1212: norm probably had someone get rid of it for him

RWolfe2636: hi y'all

KWeikel560: when was the last time he bought a tool?

TIMBERS 22: Get 3" or more RK

ElseNew: Hi RW

RWolfe2636: what's up for tonite

ElseNew: Cabinet Chat RW

Dt1212: hi..rw

RWolfe2636: hi Dt

RKvalhei: looking at home depot's $139 for 3 1/2"

ElseNew: We are dwelling on planers with half talking stationary, and half

hand held

ElseNew: A little confusing

ElseNew: Hi BG

ThomLand: are you talking about hand held elect.planes or portable bench top

planers

ElseNew: What is everyone's favorite joint for cabinet doors?

Dt1212: thom...yes

ElseNew: Both Thom

KWeikel560: stick & cope.

Hhundley: RK I think you need joiner not planer

MAngona: i make stand up coat racks 4*4 oak pulls 8' no problem

ElseNew: Sounds like that to me too Hh

Dt1212: i agree hh

MjMlW: anyone had any experience with PerforMax surface sanders?

RKvalhei: i don't have either the space or need for big equipt. this would

only be used in a blue moon

ElseNew: On a shaper KW?

Dt1212: rk..there are smaller planers

Dt1212: oops jointers

KWeikel560: no I use a router.

Hhundley: RK Delta, Powermatic best, offshore might suit you for limited use

and price consideration

ElseNew: How big are the doors you make Hh?

RKvalhei: any reccomended publications specifically on elect planers?

TIMBERS 22: Yes mj i have one works great

ElseNew: Sorry that was for you KW

Dt1212: rk...craft magazines have smaller versions

KWeikel560: Standard kitchen about 14 X 28

MjMlW: Specs in Catalog sound good, but wanted to here from user, thanks..

Hhundley: Mostly small for cabs and furniture

ElseNew: Have you ever used a shaper KW?

KWeikel560: no but I'm getting interested.

RFoster508: anyone home?

JIM WOODCR: hello

ThomLand: nite all

ElseNew: If you like cope and stick shapers are very good.

ElseNew: Hello RF

ElseNew: Night Thom

Dt1212: kw..you'll be amazed

BGUIL: sorry Else, computer froze up

ElseNew: With this weather who can blame them?

KWeikel560: I'm having a little problem with the router table. Next bucks

will be a shaper.

MjMlW: Else, are you talkin about cope and pattern?

RFoster508: what we talking about tonite?

ElseNew: Cabinets RF

ElseNew: Yes Mj

BGUIL: Else, how about router table vs shaper?

MjMlW: though I was lost for a minute....

ElseNew: Cope and stick, cope and mold, cope and pattern all the same

Mike Lesli: Hi all...

RKvalhei: what weather???? 82 degrees today here in N Calif .... 84 tommorow

... sorry bout that...

ElseNew: Hi Mike

Dt1212: hi mike

JIM WOODCR: hi mike

ElseNew: I use a router table.

ElseNew: They are versatile

JIM WOODCR: rwolfe where from

ElseNew: When you are doing heavy cuts or millwork runs shapers are a must

RWolfe2636: maryland

KWeikel560: I built mine around the Join Tech.  Very accurate.

FredD17209: evening

TIMBERS 22: I use a shaper

JIM WOODCR: is that your name

FredD17209: folk

ElseNew: Hi Fred

Hhundley: Hi Fred

RKvalhei: wher can I get S6 biscuits for door making?

KWeikel560: never heard of them. Please explain.

BGUIL: Anyone used the Oneway stronghold chuck?

ElseNew: What are S6 RK. We only have 0, 10, and 20 here

ElseNew: No BG

Mike Lesli: Does anyone know where a friend can have some logs sawn ? In the

Philadelphia area. He wants to airdry

RKvalhei: Article in Amer Wood worker 2/96 on building front door

PaulAck: Hello all

ElseNew: I will have to check it out RK. I wouldn't use biscuits for doors of

any kind though

Dt1212: hi paul

FredD17209: hi Paul

ElseNew: Hi Paul

KWeikel560: what page? RK

JIM WOODCR: hipaul

RKvalhei: door was great looking by some guys from Sandia in N Mex ...tested

really strong

Mike Lesli: He can take them to someone. Also family lives in Pittsburg he

can take on trip home.

RKvalhei: page 64

SPKY209: what`s up fellow woodworkers?

JIM WOODCR: nite

ElseNew: Nite Jim

FredD17209: nite

KWeikel560: Don't they mean using 6 bisquits at one spot?

ElseNew: Night Fred

FredD17209: not me

RKvalhei: sez they used S-6 buscuits only for entire door 3 per joint

Dt1212: mike..have him check with west elizabeth lumber near pittsburgh

TIMBERS 22: I<m from pittsburg

KWeikel560: Just took a quick look a page 65.  I'll read it later.

PaulAck: Mike try the yellow pages under sawmills or lumsale

Mike Lesli: Will they saw stray logs? Some people won't touch them.

Dt1212: tim..i used to be  what part?

KWeikel560: Mike  try Carl Hunsberger in Quakertown.

TIMBERS 22: N. Huntingdon

Dt1212: mike...usually want deposit for blades

Dt1212: tim...cool...monroeville

BGUIL: Mike, check with woodmizer folks, they may be able to provide a small

sawyer in that area.

Jrbeall: good evening...whats happening?

FredD17209: hi Jr

WBFordEngr: anyone here from NE Oklahoma?

Dt1212: hi jr

Jrbeall: lo fred

TIMBERS 22: iI just moved here from Monroeville by Boyce Park

Mike Lesli: Thanks all. I'll be right back.

Dt1212: tim..wasted the 70's there

Jrbeall: just got windows 95  pretty neat

RWolfe2636: been gone me and computer having an disagreement and it's winning

WBFordEngr: I was wasted in the 70's regardless of where I was

TIMBERS 22: mine were at schenley park

ElseNew: Hang in there RW

RKvalhei: May try to log on at sandis labs down there and find out where they

got those big biscuits

FredD17209: have any prblems with plug and play yet JR?

KWeikel560: won"t yoy need a special plate joiner for them? RK

Jrbeall: don't have any yet.. just got it and don't ahve any of that software

RKvalhei: probably take it over to friends who has one ...

Hhundley: RK bisquits might work in NM, could be problem in MD

RKvalhei: Hh yeah ,, I  forget how cold is cold ... moved here from Wisc in

72 and forgot

RFoster508: goodnite all!

RWolfe2636: RK ... you from MD?

ElseNew: Nite Rf

Dt1212: tim...woodworking for a living or hobby?

Jrbeall: Thinking about developing a floor model buffing machine...think it

will sell?

RKvalhei: No ... Dublin CA now .... ex cop from Wisc

TIMBERS 22: hobby

FredD17209: I want to know if anybody has seen a reviewof router bit grinder

in woodworker's supply cat.

ElseNew: I think they already have them Jr

TIMBERS 22: also commercial builder

Dt1212: tim..what kind of stuff do you make?

Jrbeall: I know but not for wood..2 speed

ElseNew: Havn't seen em Fred

FredD17209: your practically a neighbor RK

RKvalhei: where are u fred?

FredD17209: Oakley

TIMBERS 22: things for my house

RKvalhei: rite down the pike and over the pass ..... :)

ElseNew: Are you talking about stationary machine for buffing wood Jr

FredD17209: :-)

Jrbeall: yes, thats the idea

KWeikel560: Gotta go   Thanks All    NITOL

ElseNew: Night KW

RKvalhei: I retired then waiting for wife to retire went back to work for

VAnstar Computer as TIS spec

ElseNew: Couldn't you use an auto body buffer Jr?

TIMBERS 22: dt what do you make

Jrbeall: well yes for big stuff but tiss is for smaller items

RobinRock2: jr they allready make them

RWolfe2636: time to hit the sack 5:30 comes early

Jrbeall: I use a body buffer for big stuff..this would be for small things

RobinRock2: called a strocksander

RWolfe2636: nite

Dt1212: tim..now i make things for my own house too..used to have my own shop

ElseNew: Night RW

FredD17209: niteRW

Hhundley: nite RW

ElseNew: Have you ever seen a jeweler polish with rouge Jr?

RKvalhei: nite Oakly & all got to go eat

ElseNew: They use a machine that looks like a grinder but has a buffing wheel

Dt1212: tim..it was in n.hunt..on rt.30

Jrbeall: yes thats what I use, rouge and carnauba

FredD17209: niteRK

ElseNew: Nite RK

Dt1212: nite rk

TIMBERS 22: I just bought a casework shop

Hhundley: nite RK

ElseNew: What kind of stuff Tim?

TIMBERS 22: hospital grade cabinets

ElseNew: 32mm?

Dt1212: tim..great what tools did you get?

TIMBERS 22: bought a complete shop already set up

ElseNew: Well goodnight all see you next Monday for Cabinet Chat