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<<We started off with multi purpose machines. The pros, cins cost etc. We discussed bending, using MDF for making paint grade raised panels, hand power tools, and table saw fences.>>

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We started off with multi purpose machines. The pros, cins cost etc. We discussed bending, using MDF for making paint grade raised panels, hand power tools, and table saw fences.

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OnlineHost: *** You are in "American Woodworker". ***

OnlineHost:

ElseNew: Hello all

Kparticle: Wood not touched by gloo.

Kparticle: Hi

Woodmonger: unfortunately the nature of the beast (wood) is to move

KMore: Hello ElseNew

TErard1674: Good Lord it would fall apart before I got it off the bench

ElseNew: Kpart are you a glue on?

Kparticle: I oscillate.

Woodmonger: huh?

JHagerwdwk: huh 2?

Kparticle: Especially after using a sander.

ElseNew: Hi I am your host Paul Levine, tonight is cabinet chat

MM069: HI ALL

ElseNew: Hi MM

MM069: hi else

Kparticle: Hi.  Does this mean we are getting orgainized?

KMore: Nice to meet you Paul.  My name is Kyle

MM069: looked at the robland x31 on sat

Kparticle: What a beast.

MM069: yes it is kparticle

ElseNew: Lets wait and see Kpart

MM069: my name is mike

ElseNew: Hi Mike

KMore: Isn't the Robland a multi-function machine?

MM069: yes it is and nice too

Woodmonger: I was never fond of multifunction

Kparticle: Much cheaper than a Felder.  Anyone seen one of those?

RFoster508: what functions

KMore: I didn't mean it wasn't nice. I personally haven't seen it

Woodmonger: seems to be too many things running off one

KMore: I agree with monger in principle.  Sounds like something that wouldn't

do anything "great"

KMore: I'll have to check the Robland out though

MM069: 10 inch table saw 12 inch planer and joiner and shaper

Kparticle: Good if you only have ten square feet of shop.

MM069: and a mortiser

Kparticle: Excellent for that.

ElseNew: It certainly is easier to have several machines, but not all of us

have the space

Woodmonger: I mean, I spend alot of time just double checking my table saw,

to say the least of my other

Woodmonger: tools

MM069: all 3hp single ph

MM069: all german motors

MM069: has a 9 inch plane

KMore: How do they work?  Do they have a single motor connected by belts

or....?

MM069: has three different motors

MM069: very well put together high quility

TErard1674: Maintance problems?

Woodmonger: I don't want to sound negative, but it sound like a nightmare

MM069: very lite and easy

MM069: easy to work on

RFoster508: must also be expensive

Kparticle: How does it compare to American-made Delta in fit and finish?

MM069: fits just about anywhere

Woodmonger: whats the cost?

Kparticle: Whatsit, about five grand?

Woodmonger: dam!

MM069: looking and playing with it better than delta

MM069: no its 6200.00

TErard1674: I could buy a lot for 5 grand!

Woodmonger: me2

TErard1674: even moor for 6200

MM069: yes but quility means more to me

Woodmonger: 2nd that

KMore: I have a question about bending wood.  Is it ok to ask here?

MM069: yes it is

Woodmonger: shoot

ElseNew: Yes K

Kparticle: Quality also means convenience; nobody can convince me its not a

pain to change functions with it.

MM069: no it takes hardly no time at all

KMore: OK.  I am bending legs for an end table.  Each leg is white oak 3.5"

wide x .5" thick.

TErard1674: Especially if you got a couple of projects going.

KMore: I intend to steam these but don't know how long to steam them

Woodmonger: thems some big legs

MM069: watched a guy make a door in ten minith

KMore: 1/2" thick.

KMore: Any suggestions?

Woodmonger: what are the dimns?

ElseNew: I would try starting at 20 min K

Woodmonger: again?

MM069: looking for plans for a breakfeast knook

Kparticle: Too thick not to have a metal strap kit.

Woodmonger: sounds like a come-along job

ElseNew: That would depend on the radius of curvature Kpart

KMore: I agree Else

Woodmonger: how about lamminating?

Kparticle: You're right.  What's the radius?  It depends.

KMore: The radius is 15" and the legs are 29" long

ALEXFLO: ElseNew: What do you think about using MDF for raised panel doors?

Woodmonger: wouldnt it be easier?

KMore: Easier but not the look I'

Jerrysaws1: Hello Everyone!

KMore: I'm going for

TErard1674: Hi Jerry

Kparticle: Will you paint it?

ElseNew: Its a good idea Alex for painted cabs

ElseNew: Hi Jerry

KMore: No paint!  Hate the stuff

Woodmonger: grain structure isn't that great in white oak, unless its

quartered

Jerrysaws1: Hello T E,Else

Kparticle: I personally like the fine figuring of MDF too much to paint it.

:-)

KMore: Seems to me I had read the opposite, monger

Jerrysaws1: Does anyone use a cad program?

ALEXFLO: IT will be paintgrade but I'm worried about the dangerous fumes...10

doors in a childs room

Woodmonger: opposite of what?

MM069: had some schooling for cad

KMore: bendability of white oak.

Woodmonger: Oak bends

MM069: trying to find autocad r 12 or 13

Kparticle: Fumes from the outgassing?

KMore: No big deal.  I'll just experiment a bit

Woodmonger: shure that is no mystery

ElseNew: MDF is one of the least worrisome in that dept

KMore: Thanks for all of your suggestions

Jerrysaws1: I am interested in getting a cad program and software called

Casper

ElseNew: Very good KM

Jerrysaws1: strictly for cabinet making

MM069: look at autocad lt

ElseNew: White oak is used for barrel staves which are steam bent

ALEXFLO: I've heard that formaldehyde is used in the processing and is

continually given off

Kparticle: I've heard of AutoCabinet, they advertise in FWW.

KMore: Autocad is kind of pricey for legal copies, don't you think?

Jerrysaws1: Have you ever heard of "Casper" MM?

KMore: I guess it depends on what level of production your shop does

Woodmonger: 3 grand for auto cad

ElseNew: Its in the glue Alex

MM069: yes a little

MM069: but autocad lt is about 400.00

ALEXFLO: so is it safe to use???

Kparticle: If you want really good CAD, things start to get pretty pricey,

especially the 3d stuff.

Jerrysaws1: Computer City has autocad for around $400.00

Woodmonger: which version?

ElseNew: Yes Alex

MM069: its auto cad Lt

Jerrysaws1: Version 2.0

Woodmonger: ther you go

Woodmonger: Thats a pretty shaved down vewrsion.

ElseNew: For 3D I use Design Cad 3D its not too bad on $

Woodmonger: Auto cad is powerfull stuff.

ALEXFLO: Thanks very much....Is anyone familiar with Vienna Woodworkers Club?

Jerrysaws1: whats the dofference between v2.0 and lt?

KMore: I understand AutoCad Lt is one of the best low cost programs

MM069: yes kmore

Woodmonger: I have 13 ($3000) I don't use it.

Jerrysaws1: I have turbo cad but don"t like it that much

Woodmonger: I found I spend too much time messing with it

MM069: its compatible with 13

KMore: But AutoCad rocks!  I have version 12 still.

Kparticle: I have MicroStation.  Cost me thousands.  I'm still learning how

to use it.

Kparticle: Fancy stuff, though.

MM069: only thing i dont like about auto cad Lt is it is not 3d only 2d

Woodmonger: learning curve is too much.

Jerrysaws1: where did u get version 12 at K More?

KMore: That's what the extra $2500 buys you, MM

Kparticle: Learning curve for some of these programs goes thru the roof.

KMore: A friend

MM069: yes that is true

Woodmonger: yeah, tell me about it

TErard1674: What the hell is auto cad?

MM069: went to itt tech for awile

Woodmonger: I was going to go back to school

ElseNew: A computer drawing program TE

Woodmonger: Computer Aided Design

Jerrysaws1: cad(computer aided drawing)

Kparticle: Saves costs on paper and drafting supplies.

MM069: thanks jerry7

Woodmonger: or drawing

MM069: plotter paper isnt cheap

KMore: Saves tons of time too (after you master it)

Jerrysaws1: autocad?

MM069: yes k

Woodmonger: I preffer hiring someone for $25 an hr

MM069: find later ver. some times chep]

MSeibert1: it makes repetitive tasks easy

RFoster508: takes tons of time to learn it

MM069: took a two year course foster

Kparticle: It makes customers gasp with how slick your operation is, which is

an advantage.

MSeibert1: one semester at a junior college

KMore: If you have a good teacher and and use it ever day for awhile, it's

much easier

RSG96: What are we discussing this week?

MM069: yes

Woodmonger: well, nice talking to u guys, but I get up with the crack of dawn

MM069: it is actuly easy after you get use to it

Jerrysaws1: My son uses Autocad every day and likes it

ElseNew: Monday is cabinet chat RSG

Kparticle: Have a good night!

MM069: good nite woodmongetr

ElseNew: Nite Wood

BUOY4U: Excuse me. I'm new.My first AOL msge.How do you apply shellac

smoothly without running?

Jerrysaws1: goodnight

Woodmonger: see ya particle

Woodmonger: else

Woodmonger: mm

ElseNew: Nite Jerry

MM069: i'm looking for plans for a breakfast knook

Jerrysaws1: I am still here!

Kparticle: What's the best belt sander for sanding cabinets?

ElseNew: Shellac is very watery Buoy, try applying to horizontal surface

RSmith8549: put on shellac on thin

Jerrysaws1: I have a Bosch 1273DVS Belt sander

MM069: how about spraying

BUOY4U: Thanks ElseNew

KMore: Anyone triy spraying shellac with a HVLP system?

RFoster508: on vertical surfaces pad on the shellac in thin coats

BUOY4U: Signing off

KMore: Or laquer for that matter

Jerrysaws1: KP Its a nice sander for any use

ElseNew: Kpart belt sanders are difficult to use properly.  The "best" is the

one that is easiest for

ElseNew: you to use without gouging work

ElseNew: Nite Buoy

MM069: there is some heavy ones

MM069: hard to use

MSeibert1: the dewalt dustless beats any belt sander

Jerrysaws1: my Bosch has a variable speed and a dust bag and is very easy to

use

Kparticle: I just thought it would be nice to get one for stuff like flushing

dovetails etc.

KMore: I like the big Bosch personally

Kparticle: Probably finish with the ros unit.

ElseNew: I am happy with my Porter Cable

Kparticle: People I've talked to have liked the Dewalt or Elu and the Porter

Cable units.

Dt1212: hi all

Jerrysaws1: the Bosch 1273DVS(Dustless cariable speed)

RSG96: I'll be at woodworking show this weekend, any new gadgets I should pay

attention too?

MSeibert1: the porter cable 3x24 isn't bad though, i've had a lot of success

with mine

Kparticle: Don't know if it makes much difference 3x21 or 4x24 about quality.

RFoster508: i like my PC 352vs, 3 x 21

Jerrysaws1: where is the show RSG96?

ElseNew: Hi Dt

RSG96: Columbus, Ohio

Dt1212: hi else

KMore: I like the 4"-wide versions.  I find them easier to keep flat and not

gouge

ALEXFLO: Has anyone used the Ryobi (approx $100) biscuit joiner??

Kparticle: Do any of the belt sanders actually have really flat plattens?

Dt1212: km  how true

Kparticle: I had the Ryobi bj back when it cost over 200.

MM069: well my arms would be to tired by the time i got there

Kparticle: Only game in town back then.

Jeff123443: ElseNew I am building cabinets by your book and video, I have

questions

Jerrysaws1: Yes the bosch is really flat and a 4 inch

ElseNew: Shoot Jeff

KMore: The most important things for belt sanders are: don't push down, keep

moving, and use the

Kparticle: Nobody ever quotes figures for how flat theyre plattens are.

KMore: right grade of paper

MM069: anybody using that new 3d guide from cmt

Jeff123443: Do I need to finish both sides of the wood in the cabinets to

prevent warping

Kparticle: If not flat, then if afterwards you wanna finish up with a

handplane, you have alot more work to do.

Kparticle: Probably.

RSG96: Any thoughts on what after-market table saw fence to buy for Sears

saw?

KMore: If you are going to plane, then start with planes rigth from the

beginning.

Jerrysaws1: Biesemeyer

ElseNew: Its usually a good idea Jeff. In many cases once the wood is locked

up in the cabinet it

ElseNew: can't move

MM069: perfect jerry

Kparticle: Hard to do on flushing endgrain dovetail stuff.

MM069: i think its the best

Dt1212: rsg  beismeyer

RFoster508: ditto on biesmeyer

Jerrysaws1: I really like there fences

MM069: beismeyer that is what i have

MM069: smoth

Jeff123443: What do you think about using plywood doors and just a poly

finish on both sides and then

KMore: For flushing dovetails I use a Japanese saw with teeth set on one side

(don't know the name

Jerrysaws1: they are very accurate

KMore: off the top of my head)

MSeibert1: the biesmeyer is incredibly simple to install!!!! and works great!

Jeff123443: v groove them for a horizonatal effect

RSG96: Any one build a shop built beismeyer look-a-like?

Jerrysaws1: a Dozuki saw KMORE?

Kparticle: I've never seen one of those that actually had no set.  They all

seemed to have some set.  Scratch wor

Kparticle: Scratch work!

MM069: never had a prob with mine and still takes a beating

TErard1674: Will it work on an old contractor delta

MM069: not scratched at all

Jerrysaws1: yes

Kparticle: Kugihiki, flush cutting saw, I think he means.

Kparticle: Where'd you get it?

ElseNew: I don't like to open plywood. It reveals the plies.

RSG96: Jerrysaws1 - yes to what?

Dt1212: rs   probably wouldnt be hard with machine shop

RiverDrftr: 'Evening, all...

ElseNew: If I had to do that I would inlay lines first and then cut into the

lines

MM069: hi river

Jerrysaws1: a beisemeyer will work on a old delta style saw

ElseNew: Hi River

MM069: love my beisemeyer

KMore: I don't think it's a dozuki.

TErard1674: Jerry will it bolt up to the existing holes in the table?

ALEXFLO: Else...thanks for your input about MDF..goodnight

MM069: yes it will

Jeff123443: Got any other suggestions I don't want to use lament, and I want

something beside raised pan

KMore: Kpart, I just get close with that and then go to hand plane or rand.

orbit. sander

ElseNew: Nite Alex

Markwodwrk: hello

MM069: anybody using or used t-9 boeshield

RSG96: Thanks guys, I guess I'll go price a beismeyer. I'm still hoping to

find a cheaper alt.

ElseNew: Hi Mark

Jerrysaws1: you can call the company for a dimension chart TErard if they

don't have one they will make

Jerrysaws1: one for you

MM069: not cheap but good

ElseNew: How about flat panels Jeff?

MSeibert1: tool's on Sale has the beismeyer for $208

Dt1212: rs  maybe chaeper but not better

TErard1674: Where do you  find a beismeyer?

MM069: not bad i paid about 260

Jeff123443: Just seems awful plain to me!

ElseNew: Or plane plywood with matched veneer faces?

Jerrysaws1: I bought my fence with my delta saw together

Jimbarret: Try the Excalibur, its a great fence!!

Kparticle: Didn't Delta buy Beismeyer?  Maybe they could sell you one?

MM069: sears or factory direct

Dt1212: te  rockwell dealer   delta oops

Kparticle: Fences are kind of like religions.

Kparticle: Only more controversial.

MSeibert1: yes delta did buy beis.

Jeff123443: Don't understand matched veneer faces?

Jerrysaws1: Tool Crib of the North

KMore: BRB

TErard1674: Thanks i'll try tomorrow!!

MM069: anybody used boeshield t-9 table lube

RiverDrftr: Pardon...can anybody submit a question?

MSeibert1: Tool's On Sale ads in FWW and FHB

ElseNew: You can buy plywood with matching faces.  Several sheets will have

the same pattern

MannMade1: Are hardwood pallets (maple) treated with chemicals?

Dt1212: mm   cant say that i have

RSG96: Thanks MSeibert1

ElseNew: You can cut bookmatched panels out of the sheets and they will match

Jerrysaws1: I want to try it MM.I am now using top coat

ElseNew: Yes River

Kparticle: They're treated with grit from warehouse floors - much worse.

Jeff123443: Sounds interesting, can this work with birch?

ElseNew: Yes Jeff

Jerrysaws1: Hello David

MM069: just bought some havnt used it yet

Jeff123443: Or what wood would look good?

Jimbarret: I have tried TopCote, I prefer wax

RiverDrftr: Thanks Else...I'd like to try hollow cabinet doors using doorskin

stock.  Any suggestions?

DavidSloan: Howdy

RiverDrftr: (Solid wood too heavy, costly)

Kparticle: Hi

ElseNew: Hi David

Dt1212: mm...ever try minwax paste wax

MM069: no i havn

MM069: 't

ElseNew: I like cherry, and white oak Jeff

Jerrysaws1: I don't think top coat stays on long

Jimbarret: don't recall the wax I have in my shop, don't use anything with

silicone

RSG96: Thanks for the comments. See you next Monday ElseNew. Maybe by then I

will have bought

Dt1212: works great for me

RSG96: material for my next cabinet project!

MM069: screws up finish

Jeff123443: Would these be alright to finish natural, I want to keep the wood

light ?

MM069: stain doesn't stich

Markwodwrk: yes works fine dt1212

MM069: just tore out kitchen cabs here

Dt1212: mm..follow inst.and you wont have any problems

ElseNew: See you RSG

ElseNew: Sure Jeff

MM069: building a kitchen center for stove and oven

Jerrysaws1: HAS ANYONE ever heard of a program called casper for use with

Autocad?

Dt1212: mm  knee deep in it huh?

MM069: thanks 1212

MM069: yes wife is talking and im working

Dt1212: jerry ...not yet

Kparticle: Gotta go; my credit card is starting to creak.

Jeff123443: Would you then edge these panels with a wood trim like in your

book?

MM069: bye kpart

Dt1212: nite kp

ElseNew: Nite Kpart

Jerrysaws1: I read about Casper a while back in a woodworking magazine and

don't remember

TErard1674: Thanks for the info KP

Jerrysaws1: where I saw it

ElseNew: Yes Jeff same wood

RiverDrftr: Well...Nite, Gang....it's been fun...

Jerrysaws1: See Ya KP

MM069: bye river

Markwodwrk: by p

ElseNew: Nite River

Jerrysaws1: Bye river

Dt1212: nite riv

NIKITOBY: is there anybody out there

Jerrysaws1: yes ther is

MM069: hi nik

FredD17209: yes

ElseNew: Hi Niki

Markwodwrk: hi nik

BRLyell: just got here

Dt1212: we're here

BRLyell: hi everyone

Jerrysaws1: Hello!

FredD17209: hi

ElseNew: Evnin BRL

NIKITOBY: how do you make a dovetail joint?

TErard1674: Nite all!! This is a great place for amatures to learn!!!

ElseNew: With router and jig

MM069: incra jig ultra

RFoster508: carefully

Dt1212: anyone building any thing interesting?

Jerrysaws1: Bye TE!

MM069: nite ti

Dt1212: nite te

ElseNew: Nite TE

MM069: te

Jeff123443: Another question ElseNew.  Do you still favor the same brands of

hinges and drawer glides

ElseNew: Definitely

Markwodwrk: crt issue f wod wrk

Jerrysaws1: Goodnight Room! Have a great one!

RFoster508: else what do you favor

Dt1212: nit3e jerry

MM069: nite jerry nice talking to you

ElseNew: Nite Jerry

BRLyell: nite jerry

ElseNew: Accuride 3027

FredD17209: bye

Markwodwrk: n j

Dt1212: nice slides else

NIKITOBY: Do you think I should buy my boyfriend this magazine for his

birthday?

MM069: yes of course

FredD17209: grant386

ElseNew: Which is this Niki

BRLyell: is he a wood worker?

Markwodwrk: yes

MM069: has nice projects

MM069: still looking for a breakfast nook

WaldenW: Anyone know of a pocket door hinge that doesn't require a cup hole

bored into door stile?

NIKITOBY: he is starting woodworking

MM069: plans

MM069: take a nite college

BRLyell: it's perfect for him

MM069: class

ElseNew: American woodworker is good Niki

NIKITOBY: take some classes, or rent some videos to learn how

Markwodwrk: hand tools

NIKITOBY: very few

Dt1212: niki  only if you want him to build you something nice

ElseNew: Cllalsses that are hands on are very nice

MM069: take some clases they have hands on exp.

BRLyell: walden if it's apocket you have to have a hole

MM069: im in cerritos college

NIKITOBY: where is the best place to buy tools?

Markwodwrk: start with hand tools

FredD17209: Walden you can mount a brass pivot in top and bottom of door and

rout track

MM069: mail order mostly

CapeNed9: hey

NIKITOBY: is it wise to shop through catalogues of cheaper equipment

ElseNew: Look in magazines for mail order

MM069: look at all kinds of mags.

Dt1212: hey cape

NIKITOBY: like what

Jimbarret: everyone has their favorite mail order

WaldenW: FredD -- have you ever tried it?  How's the action?

MM069: look out for name of brands

BRLyell: yes it is

MM069: like cmt here

NIKITOBY: is black and decker power tools any good anymore

ElseNew: I would buy from a place that will let you return if not satisfied

Markwodwrk: shop around town beats mail order

MM069: so so want better quilty

ElseNew: Depends on the tool Niki

FredD17209: used it that method before KV developed flapper door hardware

BRLyell: do in a pinch

Jimbarret: else: are you a supporter of 32mm cabinets

ElseNew: I like many kinds Jim including 32mm

Dt1212: niki...don't always shop price...look for quality too

Jeff123443: ElseNew I am still hear listening!  Got another question.  What

kind of price is cherry plyw

WaldenW: Thanks Fred I guess I'll stick with the tried & true flipper door

hardware.

ElseNew: About $90 3/4 interior veneer ply flat sliced

Jimbarret: Else: any jigs you recommend for 32mm?

MM069: looking for plans for a breakfast nook

NIKITOBY: what is the best brand of table saw to buy

ElseNew: I make my own Jim

Jeff123443: Thats close to gold prices

Dt1212: nikki ..depends on budget

MM069: craftsman is a good starter saw

Jimbarret: Else: could you explain?

NIKITOBY: $400

MM069: a little higher

NIKITOBY: $450

Markwodwrk: look for used saw

ElseNew: I use 32mm hardware.  I make jigs to set the hardware.

NIKITOBY: how much

ElseNew: I do not use 32mm line boring equip

MM069: mine was with good fence sys was about 800

Jimbarret: Else: that's what I wanted to know, thanks!

Markwodwrk: look in penny saver

Dt1212: nikki   ..check paper...auctions/estate sales

MM069: with extension tables

NIKITOBY: I gotta go. Talk to you guys tomorrow

Dt1212: nite nikki

ElseNew: Nite Niki

FredD17209: bye

MM069: look at the recyler

Markwodwrk: you cn gt good saw used for 100 to 400

MM069: if you have one

ElseNew: Amen Mark

Markwodwrk: by niki

BRLyell: becareful with used   stuff  bearings in motor etc.

MM069: yes and check it out good

Jimbarret: Else: what equipment do you use for raised panels?

MM069: real good

ElseNew: Shaper

MM069: 3 1/4 router or shaper

MM069: hp

RFoster508: bye all, this was my 1st online session  enjoyed it wiil be back

BRLyell: router shaper sometimes table saw

FredD17209: bye

MM069: bye foster

ElseNew: Nite RF

Jimbarret: With router , what type of bits vertical or horizontal

BRLyell: bye rf

Dt1212: nite rf

Markwodwrk: by rf

Jeff123443: Else how often are you on AOL

MM069: horizontal

ElseNew: Every monday nite Jeff

MM069: shaper is better

BRLyell: yes

ElseNew: Much MM

Dt1212: safer too

BRLyell: yes

Jimbarret: What else do you use a shaper for?

ElseNew: Yes Dt

Jeff123443: Hey that is great.  I will have you to question as I work my way

through these cabinets!!

MM069: yes shaper is safer too

BRLyell: make sure hp is there

MM069: door sides braces

ElseNew: Mouldings, joints, flutes, lots of stuff

MM069: moldings

MM069: handy tool

Markwodwrk: watch your fingers

MM069: bits are a little high

BRLyell: hell yea

ElseNew: Yes MM

MM069: thats for good ones

Jimbarret: Loaded question: Size and Manufacturer

MM069: see new one from cmt has exchangable knifes

ElseNew: Delta with 3hp

MM069: 3 hp

Jeff123443: got to go Else New thanks, bye

MM069: havnt used them yet

ElseNew: Nite Jeff

MM069: bye jeff

Dt1212: nite jeff

FredD17209: bye

BRLyell: bye jeff

Markwodwrk: bye jeff

Jimbarret: thanks for info, nite

ElseNew: Nite Jim

ElseNew: Goodnight all see you next week for cabinet chat

BRLyell: have to go too i like this

MM069: bye else

Dt1212: nite else