Dreamland aka Area 51

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                 ***** Dreamland (aka Area 51-1.ASC) *****
                             November 11, 1989

         ParaNet  Information Service (Denver, CO)--This evening  saw
    perhaps an unprecedented event in UFOlogy.  KLAS-TV in Las Vegas,
    Nevada  has  been airing a UFO special during  the  evening  news
    which began on Monday dealing with the UFO mystery and  cover-up.

         The series,  which  has  been  covered  by ParaNet, began its
    coverage with  a  history of UFOs beginning in the late 1940s  and
    moving forward  through  the  numerous  sighting  reports  to  the
    cattle mutilations,  which was aired last evening.  As promised
    at  the close  of  last  evening's  show,  George  Knapp,  a  news
    anchorman  for Channel   8   in  Vegas,  stated  that a scientific
    person  would  be featured on tonight's program who has claimed to
    work at Area  51, the  government's  super-secret  test  range  at
    Nevada Test Site  at Mercury, Nevada.

         Indeed,  quite a story was told by Robert Lazar,  a physicist
    who claimed  that   he  had  worked  on  a  project  at   Area  51
    involving flying disks provided by alien intelligences.

         Over the last year, ParaNet has carried stories relating  to
    possible  involvement  with the government in  projects  of  this
    nature at the Nevada test site.  Up to now, the stories have been
    of a very speculative nature.  Although the material presented by
    Robert  Lazar  remains unconfirmed, enough information  has  been
    disclosed that ParaNet's large investigative staff in Nevada  has
    started an intensive investigation into this release. Both  Lazar
    (formerly  known  only  as "Dennis") and Lear  have  appeared  on
    Channel  8 -- Lear appearing on numerous occasions together  will
    Bill Cooper discussing Lear's famous 'ET Hypothesis.'

         On a  past KLAS-TV  report,  Lear was shown to have  traveled
    to  locations appearing   to  overlook   the   test   site   which
    purportedly provided  a  good  view of the objects  as  they  flew
    into the night  sky.   Lear attempted  to shoot video of an object
    as it  maneuvered   through the  night  sky  during  last  summer,
    however nothing was  captured  on  the   tape   of  a  substantive
    nature.  Lear also  relates   that   his group  was  harassed by a
    Lincoln County  sheriff   following   his  attempts  to  take  the
    pictures.

         Below  is  a  transcript  of the  program  that  aired  this
    evening.   All paragraphs out of quotes are the narrator  of  the
    segment.   We were as accurate as possible on the  transcription,
    however  there are a couple of places where comments were  edited
    out due to inability to understand what was being said.

         Further  reports  will be provided  as  information  becomes
    available.
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         We've  been  working  on  the  story  for  some  time....UFO
    researchers  claim that there is a secret government  within  our
    government.  Now this may be hard to believe coming from the  UFO
    perspective,  but  we have learned that Watergate  and  the  Iran
    Contra  scandal  that factions within our government can  and  do
    pursue  their own hidden agendas outside of the law; outside  the
    control of the Congress or the knowledge of the American  people.
    This is exactly the type of operation that we hear about tonight.
    It's  a  chilling scenario with worldwide implications  that  may
    have its roots right here [Las Vegas, Nevada].

         Area 51, that mysterious corner of the Nevada Test Site,  is
    no  longer considered a secret.  The fact that  secretive  things
    go on here isn't evident; even to the Soviets who make daily  spy
    flights  over  the facility to take a peek at  what's  going  on.
    These photos, never before shown in public, are about as close as
    anyone will ever come to seeing what the place looks like  again.
    The dry bed at Groom Lake, the corrugated buildings, a three-mile
    long  runway  and some highly sophisticated radar  and  detection
    equipment.   Its  been  known by many names  over  the  years  --
    Dreamland; The Ranch; The Skunk Works.  If ever there was a place
    to  test  the  secret new technology, this  is  it.   And  that's
    exactly what has been done here for decades.

         Area  51  is  where Francis Gary Powers and  the  other  U-2
    pilots  were trained in the 50s.  And, where the U-2  itself  was
    developed.   The SR-71 spy plane that spotted Soviet missiles  in
    Cuba  in  the early 60s were also developed at 51.  51  is  where
    Stealth  technology  was nurtured, where Star  Wars  devices  are
    still tested, and where all manner of CIA [unknown] business  has
    been  plotted  and refined.  It's the perfect  place  for  secret
    things,  but  of course, that's no secret.  51 is ringed  by  the
    forbidden vastness of the Nevada test site; by the looming  Groom
    Mountain  and  by sparsely populated desert  expanses.   But  the
    people that do live out here have no love lost for the  military,
    but  they're  conservative,  patriotic and they  mind  their  own
    business.

       Interviewer questioning  a  nearby  resident of Area 51:  "Ever
                   see something that you can't explain?"

       Resident: "Sure, lots of times."

       Interviewer:  "Care to elaborate?"

       Resident:  "No."  (Laughter).

         On  any given night at the Rachel Bar and Grill,  you  might
    find  three or four people who work at Area 51.  They  are  among
    the flowing Budweiser and the cowboy hats.  You might find  them,
    but  they  are not going to talk to.  Not about the  things  that
    they have seen over the mountain.  A steady trickle of curiosity-
    seekers  flows through here; strangers, drawn by strange  stories
    of lights in the night sky.  Their questions also go  unanswered.
    No one who has worked at Dreamland has ever publicly acknowledged
    what  so  many  people  have suspected  for  years:   That  alien
    technology is being tested in the Nevada desert.

         The speculation first surfaced in documents obtained by  UFO
    researchers.  Documents about something called Project  Aquarius.
    The document allegedly prepared for an organization called MJ-12,
    states  that  a  program to fly recovered  alien  spacecraft  was




    established  in 1972 and is continuing in Nevada.   The  National
    Security Agency has confirmed it does have a Project Aquarius but
    denies that it has anything to do with flying saucers.  NSA  will
    not say what Project Aquarius is.

         Speculation  was  heightened  in 1984, when  the  Air  Force
    seized nearly 90,000 acres around Groom Lake.  The action was, by
    most accounts, illegal.  During Congressional hearings about  the
    land grab, Congressman John Siberling grilled the military  about
    the legal authority used in the action and was told the authority
    was   at  a  much,  much  higher  level  than  the   Air   Force.
    Siberling  asked  what authority is higher than the laws  of  the
    United States?  The Air Force official said he could respond, but
    only in a closed briefing.  In 1987, when the Air Force sought to
    renew  its  stranglehold on the Groom range, news  articles  once
    again  mentioned the talk about alien spacecraft  and  subsequent
    articles  in  national magazines quoted  un-named  sources  about
    things of alien origin flying in Nevada.  Things that would  make
    film-maker  George Lucas drool.  Despite the speculation, no  one
    who  knew Area 51 from the inside ever talked publicly about  the
    saucer story.

    Bob  Lazar:  "Well, there's several uh, actually nine  uh  flying
    saucers,  flying  disks that are out  there  of  extraterrestrial
    origin."   The  live  interview with the  shadowy  "Dennis"  drew
    international attention.  Portions were broadcast by radio in six
    European  countries, and in a nationally televised TV special  in
    Japan.

         Despite  numerous  inquiries  and  "feelers,"  "Dennis"  has
    remained anonymous until now.  His real name is Robert Lazar.   A
    young scientist with eclectic interests.  The choice of  "Dennis"
    was an inside joke -- he says that's the name of his superior  at
    Groom Lake.  It wasn't a joke to Dennis.

    Lazar:   "He called right after and said, 'Do you have  any  idea
    what we're going to do to you now?' and I said no, and he hung up
    the phone."

         Lazar's  story is by any standard, fantastic.  He says  he's
    telling it in order to protect himself.  He said he was hired  to
    work in area called S-4 which is a few miles south of Groom Lake.
    At  S-4,  he says, are flying saucers, anti-matter  reactors  and
    other  working  examples of technology that is  seemingly  beyond
    human capabilities.

    Lazar:  "Right.  This stuff came from somewhere else.  I know  it
    is  hard to believe, but it is there and I saw it.  I  know  what
    the  current  state-of-the-art is in physics and it it  can't  be
    done."

         Checking  out Lazar's credentials proved to be  a  difficult
    task.   He says he holds degrees in physics and electronics,  but
    the schools that we contacted say they've never heard of him.  He
    says  he  also  worked  as a physicist  at  Los  Alamos  National
    Labs  where  he worked with one of the world's  largest  particle
    beam  accelerators,  a  half-mile  long  'behemoth'  capable   of
    generating  seven-hundred  million volts.  Los  Alamos  officials
    told  us they have no record of Robert Lazar ever working  there.
    They were either mistaken or were lying.  A 1982 phone book  from
    the  Lab lists Lazar right there among the other  scientists  and
    technicians.  A 1982 news clipping from the Los Alamos  newspaper




    profiled Lazar and his interest in jet cars.  It, too,  mentioned
    his  employment at the Lab as a physicist.  We called Los  Alamos
    again,  and  an  exasperated official told us  he  still  had  no
    records  on  Lazar.   EG&G,  which is where  Lazar  says  he  was
    interviewed  for the job at S-4, also has no record.  It's as  if
    someone has made him disappear.

    Lazar:  "Well, they're trying to make me look non-existent to the
    places that I called...."

    Interviewer:  "Explain.  Called where?"

    Lazar:   "Well, the schools that I went to; the hospital  that  I
    was born at; past jobs, and nothing comes up with my name on it."

         He smiles, but out of futility, knowing the whole thing must
    sound  ridiculous.   According  to Lazar, his  employer  was  the
    United  States Navy.  He says he and other  government  employees
    would gather near EG&G, fly to Groom Lake, then a very few people
    would get into a bus with blacked out or no windows and drive  to
    S-4.

    Interviewer:  "You get off the bus, what do you see?"

    Lazar:   "A  very  interesting  building.  Its  got  a  slope  of
    probably  about  30 degrees which are hangar doors,  and  it  has
    textured paint on it, but it looks like sand.  It's made to  look
    like  the  side of the mountain that it is in,  whether  it's  to
    disguise it from satellite photographs or what...."

         He  says he was never told exactly what he would be  working
    on, but figured it had something to do with advanced  propulsion.
    On  his first day he was told to read a series of briefings,  and
    immediately realized how advanced the propulsion really was.

    Lazar:   "The power source is an anti-matter reactor.   They  run
    gravity  amplifiers.   There is actually two parts to  the  drive
    mechanism.   It's  a bizarre technology.  There  is  no  physical
    hookups between any of the systems in there.  They use gravity as
    a wave using wave guides that look like microwaves."

         It  took awhile, Lazar says, before he actually saw  one  of
    the flying disks, however there were hints everywhere.

    Lazar:   "Right.   They  had  a poster,  and  it  looked  like  a
    commercial  poster, like it was lithographed, like you could  buy
    it  at K-Mart or someplace, but they were all over the place  and
    it  had the disk that I coined the term 'the floor  model'  which
    lifted  off the ground about 3 feet out at the area, in  the  Dry
    Lakes  area,  and the caption on it said 'They're  here.'   These
    posters were all over the place."

         Later, he got to see the real thing.

    Lazar:  "When I was led in, it was the first time that I saw  the
    'floor  model'  in the hangar sitting down, and I was  told  they
    could have walked me in the front door but they purposely  wanted
    to walk me by it.  I was told not to say anything and to keep  my
    eyes  forward and walk past the disk to the office area.   And  I
    did.   And as we went by it, I just kinda stuck my hands  on  it,
    just to run it alongside the thing and uh ....After that I got to
    see actually lift off the ground and operate."




    Interviewer:  "You actually got to see more than one?"

    Lazar:   "Yeah.  The hangars are all connected  together.   There
    are large bay doors between each one.  There were nine total that
    I  saw, each one being different.  Like they had  the  assortment
    pack."

         Security at S-4 was oppressive Lazar said, and his superiors
    used fear and intimidation almost as a brainwashing tool.

    Lazar:  "They did everything but physically hurt me."

    Interviewer:  "They put a gun to your head?"

    Lazar:  "Yeah."

    Interviewer:  "You mean they actually put a gun to your head?"

    Lazar:   "They did that even in the original  security  briefing.
    Guards there with M-16s.  Guys there slamming their fingers  into
    my  chest, screaming into my ear, they were pointing  weapons  at
    me.  Like I said, it's not a good place to work."

         That  fear  factor  would surface later.   Lazar  agreed  to
    undergo a polygraph exam as part of this report.  Polygrapher Ron
    Clay asked about the technology that Lazar had seen.

    Polygrapher:   "Did you knowingly lie when you had actually  seen
    anti-gravity propulsion in operation?"

    Lazar:  "No."

         The results of this exam were inconclusive.  Lazar  appeared
    to  be  truthful  on  one test;  deceitful  on  a  second.   Clay
    recommended  that a second examiner be brought  in.   Polygrapher
    Terry Tabernetti (sp?) runs a corporate security operation and is
    a  former Los Angeles police officer.  He put Lazar through  four
    tests and concluded there were no attempts to deceive.

         Tabernetti sent his test results to a third polygrapher  who
    agreed the results appeared truthful.  The charts were then  sent
    to  a  fourth examiner who did not agree  suggesting  that  Lazar
    might  be  relating information he'd learned from  someone  else.
    The  polygraphers  concurred and decided they would not  issue  a
    final  statement on truthfulness until more specific testing  can
    be conducted.  And that's where it stands.

         Tabernetti  believes the difficulty in  determining  Lazar's
    truthfulness stems from the fear that was drilled into him.

    Lazar:  "Well, I am telling the truth.  I've tried to prove that.
    What's  going  on up there could be the most important  event  in
    history.   You're  talking about contact,  physical  contact  and
    proof from another planet, another system, another  intelligence.
    Thats got to be the biggest event in history, period.  And,  it's
    real  and it's there.  And I had an extremely small part  in  it.
    I'm  convinced that what I saw is absolute proof of that.   There
    is  no way that we could have created those disks.  There  is  no
    way  we could have made the disks, the power  supplies,  anything
    that goes with it."

         Lazar  says he has no intention of going on any UFO  lecture




    circuit.  He is not looking to do any additional interviews.   In
    fact, he was not too crazy about doing this one.  He did it after
    certain unfavorable things started happening in his life, and  he
    did it because he feels that whoever is running the show up at S-
    4  is  perpetrating  a  fraud on  the  American  people  and  the
    scientific community.

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