FutureCulture Digest #372
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Issue #372
Monday, April 19th 1993
Today's Topics:
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Medical histories online?
movie titles
Re- Cafe Net(BtlTk) Apls&Or
Re: Re- Cafe Net(Battletech)
Re: son of film rant
son of film rant
You'll Still need Vision
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Subject: movie titles
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 19:24:36 EDT
From: Richard Gardner Ask me about "VARIOUS..." <rgardner@charon.MIT.EDU>
Here are some suggestions/ideas/inspirations for
the prospective Future-Culture movie title:
sex, lies, and news groups
fatal error
rear x-window
gold finger
playboy of the western world.std.com
drag network
everything you always wanted to know about FAQ's but were afraid to ascii
abbott & costello meet frankston
alice in internetland
verb to go
the year of logging in dangerously
the thin manual
the pit and the pendulous
naked gnu II
dial m for mail
butch cassette & the sun os kid
asterisk trek
indianna jones and the temple of domain
panic in echo path
oh calculation!
night gal leri
the good, the bad, and the logged out
aladdin and the magic network
dangerous logins
lawrence of aleph
back to the future culture
teenage mutant ninja terminals
go on with the rant
alice's restaurant at the end of the network
the lone net ranger
clockwork os
asterisk wars
phantom of the os
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Date: 19 Apr 1993 20:13:52 U
From: "Michael Maier" <michael_maier@qmgate.anl.gov>
Subject: Re- Cafe Net(BtlTk) Apls&Or
Subject: Time:7:07 PM
OFFICE MEMO Re- Cafe Net(BtlTk) Apls&Orngs Date:4/19/93
Subject: Re: Re- Cafe Net(Battletech)
On Sun, 18 Apr 93 @12:46:02 PDT Joe Pollock surmises:
>It strikes me that this would be contrary to the aims of cafenet, to begin
>with. A highly interactive VR game would tend to isolate participants >from
>the people around them,
Like a MUD?
>leaving them in contact with only the other >gamers.
>Seems more appropriate for a dedicated VR/arcade space (which could be
>another room, of course). I thought the purpose of cafenet was to >combine
I was thinking an Apples and/or Orange type scenario. Battletech is very
popular and attracts a lot of paying customers. Its self-supporting. A
_cafenet_ may not be self supporting, but just as enjoyable (or better yet,
differently enjoyable.) Also the people attracted to Battletech type setups
would have a highprobability of being attracted to the _net_. They may come in
for an apple, but see an orange, try it and like it better (or not.) I just
thought it was another way to facillitate opening more connections to the
_net_.
But yes, they are 2 completely seperate activities and I didn't envision them
as the same.
Michael Unscene
cyber and flesh interactions :-)
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Date: 19 Apr 1993 20:19:11 U
From: "Michael Maier" <michael_maier@qmgate.anl.gov>
Subject: You'll Still need Vision
Subject: Time:7:18 PM
OFFICE MEMO You'll Still need Vision Date:4/19/93
On Sun, 18 Apr 1993 16:04:26 -0400 (EDT)
Chris L Concepcion adds:
>Subject: Re: Computer Class
>Sampling and aesthetics (is techno art, what are the video applications
>of sampling, what's going to happen when you don't need musical virutosity
>to be able to make music?)
You'll still need vision to make those creative decisions (the incisions to cut
the wheat from the chafe.)
As far as sampling check out a film done in 1957 by a filmmaker named Bruce
Conner. The film is called "A Movie"
Unscene
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Date: 19 Apr 1993 21:17:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Scotto <MOORE7004@iscsvax.uni.edu>
Subject: son of film rant
Glad to be back. First caller, you're on the air.
Chris Conception:
> But we ain't ILM. Anyone with the inkling of editing this possible
>Rosetta Stone for the Cutting Edge should take stock of what sort of video
>editing equipment they can access so we know just what we are capable of.
I don't think we need *that* kind of special effects to pull this off. Anyone
with a video toaster or above can *edit* the thing such that it's an attention
grabber. Here's a question for all you computer types, though: what kind of
animation programs are you familiar with, etc? Another question: Terence
McKenna has a video called "The Experiment at Petaluma" which is basically him
sitting in front of a camera talking, but the footage is incredibly distorted,
psychedelic, etc., and it looks very low grade, i.e. something we should be
able to get our hands on.
Are we just spewing memes into the air here with no penultimate payoff, or does
*someone* have some larger kind of knowhow out there? .rez and I may be able
to get access to a nice-ish (altho' old) VHS editing bay with video toaster,
etc., but it would be great if we could get a bit higher tech.
>Well, there's another idea for the overall format of this flim...
I don't think we're going to end up with one overall format. I think every
idea you suggested was worthy of consideration, and ultimately, every single
separate group will just shoot what it wants to, and the footage will then be
assembled by the editors. I like this idea mainly because it basically leaves
everyone unrestricted. Shoot what you want; it can be staged, real, "cool" or
goofy, whatever.
Next caller, you're on the air.
Mr G R Evans:
> This one gets my vote - a kind of 'Until The End of The World' scenario. If
>my opinion's worth anything at all, it seems to me that this one would be the
>most glacially cool, and the least likely to present the Net as others expect
>it to be presented. Which, I believe, would be a good aim...
This gets back to one of the main issues that we haven't really discussed: what
in fact *is* the aim of this film? Is it indeed to present the Net as others
expect it to be presented, or is it, as I've suggested, something more
aesthetically interesting? I of course have an opinion on this, but I'd like
to see what you all think as well.
Next caller, you're on the air...
Christopher j Heschong:
>Well, there isn't any way to take a straight terminal
>texty type thing and shoot it cool... So change it. Make a telnet look
>like that scene in Bill & Ted's [something] adventure where their phone
>boot goes zoomin thru the tubes... Do something cool like that. *make*
>it VR lookin. Otherwise, its gonna look like... well, it's gonna look
>like text (oh gasp of horror) See?
That'd be great, but, as Chris Conception pointed out, we're not ILM. I don't
think we have the option to do "Lawnmower Man" graphics, and anyway, that isn't
what the Internet seems to me to be about, at least, not yet. I think a
grungier looking film would be more appropriate, but that's just my preference.
And I think text will work provided it interacts with live action in just the
right way, which again, depends on the cinematographers and then on the
editors. And I think this won't be a problem; we're all creative types. :)
Yeehah...
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From: Meng Weng Wong <mengwong@pobox.upenn.edu>
Subject: Re: son of film rant
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 23:09:35 EDT
Scotto pounds randomly on the keyboard and comes up with
| [...]
| And I think text will work provided it interacts with live action in just the
| right way, which again, depends on the cinematographers and then on the
| editors. And I think this won't be a problem; we're all creative types. :)
yeah, throw in some of that "Slacker look-n-feel" ... especially the bit
in the middle with the amateur videocameras - a film about filming a film
about itself.
fs
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 22:43:49 EDT
From: sylvar@ufcc.ufl.edu
Subject: Medical histories online?
Greetings, FC'ers...
As I filled out the Nth medical case history form in as many days, I began
to wonder whether it might not be simpler, indeed better, to be able to call up
a patient's history on a MediNet. Of course, privacy of documents could at
best be protected by a personal password, but it's my feeling that someone who
wants my case history is going to get it if he wants it badly enough.
Has anyone heard of such a network? Maybe the HMOs would like to get in
the act... Think of it. "Nurse, would you please download the patient
's history and x-rays?"
---------- Bottom line: What do you think?
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